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05:07.16Patlabor221Other then the flag getin stuck thing, and the ocasional "I get kicked for going to fast" things I have not seen anything large that would prevent a G2
05:08.25TimRikernice. I'm thinking about adding http/connect proxy support so I can game from inside TI. ;-)
05:08.42TimRikereasier to do after the netcode changes though.
05:09.56Patlabor221yes
05:12.11Patlabor221or maybe at least some sort of http admin only client
05:20.36VernonTimRiker: Is TI Texas Instr. ?
05:20.42VernonDo you work there?
05:21.11Patlabor221that he does
05:21.36VernonLots of my friends just atarted working over there
05:22.21VernonThinking of going myself ...
05:22.50VernonMy wife might not like Dallas ... I was born there, though
05:24.59VernonHey Tim ... i'll get you a sweet job over here at Disney ... you get me one in Dallas ;)
05:26.21VernonDisney's gotta be more fun than TI.
05:36.15TimRikerI'm living up in Allen. I work at the TI complex by 635&75
05:36.28TimRikerwell, not the main campus, sw of that intersection.
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17:05.05captain_proton~x fr en est-ce que tu as fini?
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17:48.40captain_protonoh?
17:48.53Patlabor22164 meg FX 5200
17:49.02Patlabor221we get good price on them :)
17:49.38Patlabor221I have to get rid of this ATI
17:55.16captain_protonclasstime
17:57.26Patlabor221have fun
17:59.34Patlabor221if anyone needs an FX we have 4 more :)
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18:09.17strayerlo
18:12.15Chestalhi strayer
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18:12.59Gorbhello
18:13.04strayerhi
18:13.20Gorbcaptain_proton: you said there is a good c++ matrix lib?
18:14.15Gorbwhat does bzflag use?
18:14.57Gorbwhat is a goo gui lib that is platform independent
18:14.58Gorb?
18:16.46Patlabor221he's at class
18:17.01strayerChestal: is the ducati:5156 ok?....i get no request....
18:33.42Gorbwhat fuctions are best fro file read write?
18:33.47Gorbin c++
18:34.06Patlabor221define "best"?
18:34.10Gorbfast
18:34.27Gorbplatform independent
18:34.30Patlabor221I don't think there is a performacnce difrence between streams and fopen
18:34.42Patlabor221well they all Take OS file names
18:34.57Gorbwhat does that mean?
18:35.02Patlabor221but both streams and the FILE* stuff work on all C++ platfroms
18:35.13Patlabor221it means you have to send in an OS file name
18:35.25Gorbwhat is an OS file name?
18:35.33Patlabor221like data\texttures\mytex.bmp on windows
18:35.46Patlabor221but data/texttures/mytex.bmp
18:35.49Patlabor221on linux
18:35.55Gorbah
18:36.05Gorbwork around?
18:36.15Patlabor221abstract all your file handaling
18:36.26Gorb<PROTECTED>
18:36.27Patlabor221and keep a standard name structure around
18:36.47Patlabor221then have something that makes your standard into the OS in question at load time
18:36.53Patlabor221you don't know abstract?
18:37.05Gorbhm donno
18:37.33Gorband how do i make the gui paltformindependent?
18:38.00Gorbi would need a fileopen/save dialog
18:38.27Patlabor221that would depend on your gui choice
18:38.46Gorbnames?
18:38.50Gorbforgot
18:38.52Patlabor221what are you using for a gui?
18:39.23Gorbwindows with toolbar menubar buttons textbox combobox listbox
18:39.31Patlabor221but what codewise?
18:39.36Gorbi currently use win32
18:39.37Patlabor221have you chosen a gui API?
18:39.40Secret_Hamsterhum well you'd have to write the interface twice, but use common calls to the core system
18:39.46Gorbno iwant to know one
18:39.51Secret_Hamsterunless you use something like gtk
18:39.55Gorbthat is platfoorm indepnedent
18:39.58Patlabor221or wxwindows
18:40.00Patlabor221there are many
18:40.03Patlabor221or pico
18:40.04Secret_Hamsterwhich there are versions for windows and Linux
18:40.22Gorbpico == picogui?
18:40.42Secret_Hamsterthere is also cgywin, but that is more something in the back end I believe
18:40.52Gorbthat means
18:40.56Gorbback end?
18:41.22Secret_Hamsterthe bit behind the gui. the part you don't really see
18:41.32Gorbah
18:41.41Patlabor221yes cygwin gives you unix api on windows
18:41.44Secret_Hamsterlike the filesystem access, keybaord interaction
18:41.55Patlabor221cell, just just your c#
18:42.13Gorbno i need speed++
18:42.32Gorbi discovered that c# is slow with arrays
18:42.45Patlabor221then you get to abstract everything, or use someone elses abstraction.
18:42.55Gorbcause each time you access an array element it check s if you are within array bounds
18:46.14Patlabor221told you the child languages were slow.
18:46.30Patlabor221and you said that "ohh no they will be faster then light soon"
18:46.41Patlabor221Ive never used a 3rd partyg gui
18:46.45Patlabor221you can try gtk
18:47.19Gorbhm, maybe i should use mfc
18:47.28Gorbcause i need a gui builder
18:47.34Gorbdont want to code it
18:47.42Patlabor221MFC does not exist on other platforms
18:47.48Patlabor221not free anyway
18:47.51Gorbyeah i know, what shall i do
18:48.01Gorbi need agui
18:48.09Patlabor221huh?
18:48.17Gorband i need a gui designer
18:48.28Patlabor221gtk has one
18:48.30Patlabor221go read
18:48.32Gorbah
18:48.35Patlabor221stop being lazy
18:48.40Gorbi hate reading
18:48.45Patlabor221like I care.
18:48.53Gorbim not lazy i just get no money
18:48.59Gorbfor what i do
18:49.05Gorbthat is frustrating
18:52.46Secret_Hamsterjoin the club
18:55.55[dmp]Patlabor221: I've created a dmp database and installed everythign i need to collect data from your server. it works perfectly. It's currently disabled so I dont get double data, but i will active it it around the 20th perhaps 21th of april.
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19:23.02Gorbmetroid prime is the best game ever
19:24.50Gorbmijamato said they would have let the project fall if they could not solve the morh ball
19:24.55Gorbmorph ball
19:25.05Gorbmetroid to morph ball
19:26.49Secret_Hamsterhum I can't get bzedit to compile?  version 2.1  complains I have no gtkglarea yet libgtkarea and libgtkarea-devel are both installed (verison 1.99)
19:42.19captain_protonSecret_Hamster: can you email me the config.log?
19:42.46Secret_Hamstersure email?
19:43.51captain_protonyaay my roommate got dwarf 1 & 2 for his birthday yesterday
19:48.40Patlabor221"help I've been fished to death"
19:49.24Patlabor221[dmp] coo, do what you need :)
19:50.15Secret_Hamsteremail winging it's way now
19:50.18Patlabor221metroid prime was made by a US company
19:50.28Patlabor221where most of them got fired
19:50.35Patlabor221and it's not the best game ever
19:50.42Patlabor221it's a rehash
20:07.51Noodleman_workgot meself a GBA SP yesterday
20:07.57Noodleman_workr33tz0rz :-)
20:08.43Patlabor221they are nice
20:08.44Patlabor221no headphone jack tho
20:14.38Noodleman_workwas there a standard phone jack in the GBA?
20:14.51Noodleman_worknot telephone
20:14.55Noodleman_work:-)
20:15.22Patlabor221the GPa has an 1/8" mini sterio jacl
20:15.28Noodleman_workhmm
20:15.35Patlabor221whoa
20:15.39captain_protonSecret_Hamster: it can't find the GLU library
20:15.40Patlabor221I type bad
20:15.59Noodleman_worki think you can get an adapter for the SP that hooks into the add-on port
20:16.07Noodleman_worki might be wrong
20:16.14Patlabor221oyu can
20:16.17Patlabor221you can
20:16.19Patlabor221man I suck today
20:16.36Secret_Hamstercaptain_proton: thanks
20:17.11Patlabor221ahh there we go SMTP issues all taken care of.
20:17.25Noodleman_workwhich server did you go with?
20:17.31Patlabor221bzbb should not have it's mail time out anymore
20:17.44Patlabor221actualy we had one set up allready on another server here
20:17.47Patlabor221I just didn't know
20:17.55Patlabor221I don't know the name of it
20:17.58Patlabor221but it works
20:18.04Noodleman_workwhat machine? asgard?
20:18.05Patlabor221it's not on linux
20:18.10Noodleman_workok
20:18.21Patlabor221the smtp is on ragnarok
20:18.49Patlabor221it's set to only work with authentication, so it won't be used as an open relay too
20:19.24Noodleman_workport 25 doesn't accept outside connections
20:19.28Noodleman_workis that ok?
20:22.15Secret_HamsterHumm not too sure which libraries I need.  i see where you mean.  no GL no Mesa
20:22.32Secret_Hamsterso do I need to install some GLUT libraries
20:22.44Secret_Hamsternot too sure what is needed
20:23.06captain_protonno glut
20:23.07captain_protonGLU
20:23.11Secret_HamsterPS I'm being lazy and trying to install .rpm files on a MDK9.1 system
20:23.33Patlabor221noodle, on asgard?
20:23.46Secret_Hamsterahh okay don't seem to be able to find GLU.  off to google then.  more research needed
20:25.54Secret_Hamsterbizarre not on disks but downloadable.
20:26.06Noodleman_workPatlabor221: no, on ragnarok
20:26.40Secret_Hamsterokay perhaps not.  need to be part of the mandrake club
20:27.23captain_protonSecret_Hamster: what video card do you have?
20:28.18Secret_Hamsterhum yes well. some may call it a video card.  it's an r128
20:29.41Patlabor221noodle just try bakadigital.com no subdomain
20:29.50Noodleman_workPatlabor221: ok
20:29.54Patlabor221I don't think the ragnarok domain actulay points to ragnarok :/
20:30.28Noodleman_workPatlabor221: 220 Sambar ESMTP Server 5.0 ready
20:30.38captain_protonharumph
20:30.48captain_protonit segfaults but not when i run it in the debooger
20:34.02Patlabor221noodle, ok, well it works :)
20:34.16Noodleman_workhehe
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20:39.21Secret_Hamsterhum Captain.  just trying to install various stuff and I find libGLU.so.1 is actually installed?
20:39.31captain_protonSecret_Hamster: where is it located?
20:39.47Secret_Hamster/usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1.3.500
20:39.47Secret_Hamster/usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1
20:40.21captain_protonis /usr/X11R6/lib/ in your /etc/ld.so.conf ?
20:40.25Secret_Hamsterthe first is a sym link to the second
20:40.31Secret_HamsterI'll just check
20:41.12Secret_Hamsteryep indeed it is?
20:41.30captain_protontry running 'ldconfig' as root and then try again
20:42.03Secret_Hamsterthanks, was just going to ask what 'that' commmand was.  you must be psychopathic
20:43.11Secret_Hamsternope still not finding Mesa or GL
20:44.02captain_protontry symlinking libGLU.so to libGLU.so.1 and configure again
20:44.43Secret_Hamsterokay
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20:47.57Secret_Hamsterit already is
20:48.12captain_protonit is?
20:48.16Secret_Hamsteryep
20:48.25captain_protonls -l /usr/lib/libGLU.so gives you a symlink to libGLU.so.1?
20:48.32Secret_Hamsterlrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           11 Apr 14 21:19 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so -> libGLU.so.1*
20:48.54captain_protonhrm
20:48.59Secret_Hamsterindeed
20:49.08captain_protoncan you email me the config.log again? =}
20:49.13Secret_Hamstersure
20:49.14Secret_Hamsternp
20:49.33Patlabor221what are you having trouble building?
20:49.42captain_protonPatlabor221: bzedit
20:49.47Patlabor221ahhh
20:51.53Secret_Hamsterit's winging it's way again
20:52.39Secret_HamsterI tell you I wish all helpdesks were like this.  This is better than professional/paid backup
20:53.22captain_protonPatlabor221: did you forget to add 'test.map' to the repository?
20:53.36Patlabor221maybe
20:53.50Patlabor221it's not loading the DSI-CTF one?
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20:54.37captain_protonSecret_Hamster: hrmph
20:54.48captain_protontry `LDFLAGS=-L/usr/X11R6/lib ./configure ...`
20:55.00captain_protonPatlabor221: its trying to load test.map but that doesn't exist
20:55.12Secret_Hamsterwow.  I whought you were about to give up
20:56.04Secret_Hamsterdo I need to export that?
20:56.27Secret_HamsterI'm not very good at this environment setting business
20:56.51captain_protonSecret_Hamster: just put it on your command line
20:57.00Secret_Hamsteryea using bash
20:57.12Secret_Hamsterwant the bad news?
20:57.20captain_protonhm?
20:58.46Secret_Hamsterlooking in the config.log
20:58.58Secret_Hamsterac_cv_env_LDFLAGS_set=
20:58.58Secret_Hamsterac_cv_env_LDFLAGS_value=
20:59.28captain_protonthats ok
20:59.28captain_protondid it find it?
20:59.32captain_protonwhile configuring?
20:59.46Secret_Hamsterare the only two values I see associated with LDFLAGS.  both look blank.  which I presume is wrong
21:00.05Secret_Hamsterchecking for GL... no
21:00.05Secret_Hamsterchecking for Mesa... no
21:00.05Secret_Hamsterchecking for Mesa with pthreads... no
21:00.05Secret_Hamsterconfigure: error: Cannot find gtkglarea
21:00.12Secret_Hamsteris the last four lines I get
21:00.13captain_protonhm
21:00.28Secret_Hamsteryet I've install both Mesa and GL
21:01.04captain_protontry ./configure --with-gl-prefix=/usr/X11R6
21:01.22Secret_Hamsterokey dokey
21:01.55Patlabor221bahhh
21:02.17captain_protonPatlabor221: time for a trip to the wet room?
21:02.29Patlabor221no
21:02.31Patlabor221clean code
21:03.08Secret_Hamstersucess at last.  all we need to do now is hope it actually compiles
21:03.27Patlabor221cap fixed
21:03.39Patlabor221I was having it load a test map when debuging the crashes
21:03.47captain_protonahh
21:04.14Patlabor221I stupidly commited it
21:11.57Secret_Hamstercaptain_proton: your my hero
21:20.38captain_protonaha!
21:20.42captain_protonyou commented out my code =)
21:21.01Patlabor221made it not crash :)
21:21.44Patlabor221I just wanted to do a release build, you can un comment it out
21:21.50Patlabor221forgot I commited it like that
21:31.16Patlabor221whoot
21:32.59captain_protonhm, nope
21:33.01captain_protonbut its closer
21:34.46Patlabor221un-whoot
21:34.54Patlabor221</whoot>
21:47.05Patlabor221think it's in coldet it'self?
21:49.12captain_protoni dunno whats happening
21:50.05captain_protonhopefully this will give me a little insight
21:50.15captain_protonif not, it will catch a bunch of memory errors anyways
21:53.57captain_protonsheesh it runs slow in valgrind
21:54.04captain_protonbeen loading the map for 10 minutes =)
21:54.43Patlabor221same in boundschecker
21:55.43captain_protoncertainly a lot of problems inside SDL
21:57.16Patlabor221that sucks
21:57.36captain_protonlots of "conditional jump or move depennds on unintialized value"
21:57.49Patlabor221ohh my
21:57.59Patlabor221wonder if that' in common or just linux code
21:58.18captain_protonlooks like its mostly in the joystick stuff
22:01.27captain_protonstrange...
22:01.30captain_protonits not finding anything
22:03.44Gorbexplained my sister the Chomsky hierarchy
22:04.23Gorbthat makes fun
22:05.13Gorbcause otherwise there would be only little chance that she would ever understand it
22:05.30Gorbor understand it before the test
22:05.36Gorb;)
22:06.00Patlabor221cap what is the distance between the start of a character and the start of the next character called, in a font?
22:06.29Gorbmargin?
22:06.44captain_protonPatlabor221: kerning
22:06.49Gorbah
22:07.11Patlabor221you reember how you got that value?
22:08.38captain_protonumm
22:08.49captain_protonit wasn't really that, its just that i used the character width as defined in the TTF
22:08.59Patlabor221ahhh
22:11.03Gorband bye
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23:21.01Patlabor221hmm I need how much below the baseline the glyph sits

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