| 00:00.06 | Patlabor221 | this is a test \n/meTests |
| 00:00.08 | Patlabor221 | bahh |
| 00:00.19 | Noodleman | ~this |
| 00:00.20 | | methinks this is ibot is hearing me talk |
| 00:00.20 | Noodlebot | a test |
| 00:00.20 | Noodlebot | /meTests |
| 00:00.22 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 00:00.29 | *** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-118-205.hispeed.ch) |
| 00:00.41 | Patlabor221 | this is a test \n/me Tests |
| 00:00.49 | Patlabor221 | it won't do multi line |
| 00:00.51 | Noodleman | ~this |
| 00:00.52 | | somebody said this was ibot is hearing me talk |
| 00:00.52 | Noodlebot | a test |
| 00:00.52 | Noodlebot | /me Tests |
| 00:00.56 | Noodlebot | this is boring, can you give me a cup of team? |
| 00:01.04 | bzdoug | tea even |
| 00:01.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah but noodlebot can not fire off the bbj for me. |
| 00:01.23 | Noodleman | here's a cup of team, Noodlebot |
| 00:01.51 | Noodlebot | *cough* is poison! *cough* |
| 00:02.57 | Patlabor221 | hmm looks like I would have to make a perl script for the BBJ |
| 00:03.12 | bzdoug | BBJ? |
| 00:03.20 | Patlabor221 | Big Boot o' Justice |
| 00:03.28 | bzdoug | bobborkedjug? |
| 00:03.30 | bzdoug | haha |
| 00:03.42 | Patlabor221 | wana see it? |
| 00:03.54 | bzdoug | thats ok |
| 00:03.56 | bzdoug | dont bother |
| 00:04.03 | Patlabor221 | it's cool |
| 00:04.21 | bzdoug | nah |
| 00:04.30 | Patlabor221 | are ya chicken? :) |
| 00:04.57 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 00:05.06 | bzdoug | "Bandwidth Limit Exceeded" |
| 00:06.24 | Patlabor221 | how mean |
| 00:08.22 | Patlabor221 | why do you hate people so? |
| 00:08.51 | bzdoug | hey, I dint even get a chance to see what the web page was |
| 00:14.51 | Patlabor221 | http://www.fidius.org/quiz/pirate.php |
| 00:15.10 | bzdoug | thats so ooold :) |
| 00:17.07 | Patlabor221 | so |
| 00:17.27 | Patlabor221 | your just jealous cus you are not "Mad Jack Vane" |
| 00:17.51 | captain_proton | you're right |
| 00:17.54 | captain_proton | *sob* |
| 00:18.01 | MadJackVane | heh |
| 00:18.46 | Patlabor221 | now to properly initalise the key aray |
| 00:18.58 | Patlabor221 | so we can have proper togle events |
| 00:19.33 | bzdoug | Iron Morty Kidd |
| 00:19.41 | Patlabor221 | LOL |
| 00:19.46 | Patlabor221 | that's not a pirate name |
| 00:20.04 | Patlabor221 | morty? |
| 00:20.47 | Patlabor221 | that's like the new jersey pirate |
| 00:33.21 | *** join/#bzflag paul ([2dsJbf2Sw@hibernia.jakma.org) |
| 00:50.22 | lurgyman | alright, spocko, cover 'im |
| 00:50.31 | bzdoug | spocko? |
| 01:30.54 | *** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net) |
| 01:31.31 | lurgyman | it's like spock, right... only, spocko |
| 01:31.32 | [STC]_creeperz | Yippee |
| 01:31.40 | [STC]_creeperz | Oh no |
| 01:31.45 | [STC]_creeperz | Still Star Trek?! |
| 01:31.47 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 01:32.17 | [STC]_creeperz | Yawho? |
| 01:32.23 | lurgyman | nope... serious discussion on adaptive pediatrics |
| 01:32.31 | [STC]_creeperz | Oh |
| 01:32.54 | [STC]_creeperz | I got one (1) award(s)! |
| 01:33.09 | lurgyman | if it's a golden globe, it's useless |
| 01:33.23 | [STC]_creeperz | It's a bowling trophy |
| 01:34.04 | lurgyman | that's quite an achievement(s) |
| 01:37.14 | *** join/#bzflag michaelh2 (Mouse@208.42.191.2) |
| 01:39.07 | michaelh2 | does bzflag have any such thing as a bold or underlined font? |
| 01:39.34 | *** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net) |
| 01:39.55 | [STC]_creeperz | Mega computer problems |
| 01:39.58 | michaelh2 | or is it just brightness and color that we can change |
| 01:40.04 | [STC]_creeperz | The screen just went black! |
| 01:40.08 | michaelh2 | cool |
| 01:40.25 | [STC]_creeperz | And when I hit the keys, my internal speaker sounded |
| 01:40.27 | [STC]_creeperz | :-/ |
| 01:40.50 | michaelh2 | ah so -- a locked up computer thing |
| 01:40.59 | [STC]_creeperz | I have no clue |
| 01:41.14 | michaelh2 | you weren't treated to a BSOD first? |
| 01:41.25 | michaelh2 | or was this not windblows |
| 01:41.30 | [STC]_creeperz | That was the second time I have witnessed it |
| 01:41.44 | [STC]_creeperz | Windows |
| 01:41.48 | lurgyman | michaelh2: no bold or underlined as far as i know |
| 01:42.31 | michaelh2 | I was trying to think of alternatives to *blinking* the players name when they have the high score |
| 01:43.30 | michaelh2 | I suppose I could make it sort of flash from dark to light and back etc.. :) |
| 01:44.18 | michaelh2 | I just live with my quirky windows problems myself -- why bother reinstalling everything .... |
| 01:46.29 | michaelh2 | it's more interesting when windows completely freaks out, crashes, reboots for no apparent reason whatsoever |
| 01:47.21 | michaelh2 | Of course I dragged and dropped my entire hard drive twice now :) |
| 01:47.44 | michaelh2 | plug in new drive -- drag all the old hard drive folders over |
| 01:47.56 | michaelh2 | sys new drive |
| 01:48.09 | michaelh2 | whola -- new drive is done |
| 01:49.52 | [STC]_creeperz | My computer is about shot |
| 01:50.12 | [STC]_creeperz | And if it don't get better on it's own, it will be literally |
| 01:51.18 | michaelh2 | done -- or just due for a reformatting? |
| 01:51.41 | [STC]_creeperz | Hmm |
| 01:51.47 | [STC]_creeperz | It's 3 years old now |
| 01:51.51 | [STC]_creeperz | It's about done |
| 01:52.09 | [STC]_creeperz | But when I get my new computer, I'm puting RH9.0 on this junk and WinXP on new |
| 01:52.31 | [STC]_creeperz | And updating everything that I can to keep it going |
| 01:52.40 | [STC]_creeperz | I'm emotionally accathed to this computer |
| 01:52.54 | [STC]_creeperz | attached* |
| 01:53.01 | michaelh2 | I'm on win98 1st -- and I have a Suse linux partition as well |
| 01:53.15 | [STC]_creeperz | I've heard of SuSe |
| 01:53.22 | [STC]_creeperz | Is it good? |
| 01:53.29 | michaelh2 | It's not as if I choose it deliberately |
| 01:53.37 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 01:53.49 | michaelh2 | ok I guess, I haven't had much to compare it to |
| 01:54.02 | [STC]_creeperz | Knoppix is 'spose to be good. Don't even have to install it! Runs right from the disc! |
| 01:54.15 | [STC]_creeperz | If yu want |
| 01:54.32 | michaelh2 | One thing is for sure, I dislike the gig + installs |
| 01:54.47 | [STC]_creeperz | I hate installing new OS's |
| 01:54.59 | [STC]_creeperz | Who remembers DOS? :-) |
| 01:55.11 | michaelh2 | I did the minimal install, wound up installing x-windows :) |
| 01:55.24 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 01:55.43 | michaelh2 | That was a bit of a scramble when I started it up and got a plain old command prompt |
| 01:55.50 | [STC]_creeperz | I watched my friend install 95 on his com I think |
| 01:56.09 | [STC]_creeperz | Command prompt is ok |
| 01:56.16 | [STC]_creeperz | I hate to click through folders\ |
| 01:58.06 | [STC]_creeperz | Ahh |
| 01:58.09 | [STC]_creeperz | Life is good |
| 01:58.13 | [STC]_creeperz | Sit back |
| 01:58.17 | [STC]_creeperz | Chat all day |
| 01:58.27 | [STC]_creeperz | Tie knots in headphone wire |
| 01:58.36 | [STC]_creeperz | I made a pretty cool knot |
| 01:58.41 | [STC]_creeperz | And it's quick! |
| 01:58.56 | michaelh2 | now you know what it's like to be unemployed :) -- except without the pressue |
| 01:59.10 | [STC]_creeperz | You have school, though? |
| 01:59.27 | [STC]_creeperz | I have school |
| 01:59.43 | [STC]_creeperz | If you ask me, I think school's sorta a waste for me |
| 01:59.57 | [STC]_creeperz | Computer Programmers can get payed up to $25 an hour! |
| 02:00.13 | [STC]_creeperz | I would MUCH rather spend time learning C |
| 02:00.17 | michaelh2 | out of school -- still no work :( |
| 02:00.25 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 02:00.29 | [STC]_creeperz | Age? |
| 02:00.33 | michaelh2 | 30 |
| 02:00.40 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 02:00.50 | michaelh2 | But I finished school 1 year ago, no real on the job experience |
| 02:00.57 | [STC]_creeperz | You don't live with your parents, do you? |
| 02:01.01 | michaelh2 | nope |
| 02:01.05 | [STC]_creeperz | Ok |
| 02:01.10 | michaelh2 | was living off of student loans |
| 02:01.13 | michaelh2 | :) |
| 02:01.17 | [STC]_creeperz | I know this one guy, he lives off of his mom |
| 02:01.21 | [STC]_creeperz | He's around your age |
| 02:01.33 | michaelh2 | well I may wind up working in the local video store :( |
| 02:01.37 | [STC]_creeperz | Probally a little older |
| 02:01.50 | [STC]_creeperz | I wouldn't mind that! |
| 02:01.54 | michaelh2 | Moved out of my parent's 2 years ago actually -- but hey at least I moved out finally |
| 02:01.55 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 02:02.00 | [STC]_creeperz | Discounts on XBox and crap |
| 02:02.12 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea |
| 02:02.21 | michaelh2 | makes a world of difference really |
| 02:02.43 | [STC]_creeperz | Now you can look at all the pr0n you want! |
| 02:02.44 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 02:02.47 | michaelh2 | As far as computer jobs are concerned, it is *vital* to get real on the job experience, that's for sure |
| 02:02.57 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea |
| 02:03.07 | michaelh2 | to get you foot in the door -- having a degree doesn't ensure you of that |
| 02:03.17 | [STC]_creeperz | Nah |
| 02:03.23 | [STC]_creeperz | Nay* |
| 02:03.32 | michaelh2 | But I sure learned a lot in the two years that I took to finish my Csci degree |
| 02:03.45 | [STC]_creeperz | I bet |
| 02:04.13 | [STC]_creeperz | Who has an old zip drive for sell? |
| 02:04.17 | michaelh2 | although in a 4 year degree there's plenty of stuff besides purely programming |
| 02:04.17 | [STC]_creeperz | Reasonable priced |
| 02:04.24 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea! |
| 02:04.38 | [STC]_creeperz | "Lots of people go to college for 6 years" |
| 02:04.50 | michaelh2 | a lot of the more boring and difficult csci classes are not really programming either ... |
| 02:04.53 | [STC]_creeperz | "Yea, they're called DocTors" |
| 02:04.59 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 02:05.18 | [STC]_creeperz | ~tb |
| 02:05.19 | Noodlebot | Five |
| 02:05.20 | Noodlebot | Four |
| 02:05.22 | Noodlebot | Three |
| 02:05.24 | Noodlebot | Two |
| 02:05.25 | michaelh2 | I spent a total of about 7 years in school -- went back for my final 2 years and finished both a psych and csci major |
| 02:05.26 | Noodlebot | One |
| 02:05.28 | Noodlebot | Thunderbirds are go! |
| 02:05.41 | [STC]_creeperz | Cool |
| 02:05.52 | [STC]_creeperz | Crap |
| 02:06.00 | michaelh2 | well sort of 2.75 years |
| 02:06.07 | [STC]_creeperz | If I die...My computer dies, just hang on :-) |
| 02:06.12 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 02:06.33 | [STC]_creeperz | Hiw much did training cost? |
| 02:06.34 | [STC]_creeperz | How* |
| 02:06.48 | michaelh2 | school you mean? |
| 02:06.49 | *** join/#bzflag Blitz_LTD (~d808aef5@203.194.240.139) |
| 02:06.54 | [STC]_creeperz | Yes |
| 02:06.57 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 02:07.02 | [STC]_creeperz | :- |
| 02:07.06 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) * |
| 02:07.16 | michaelh2 | my 2.75 year stint has left me with about 23,000 in debt |
| 02:07.17 | [STC]_creeperz | Blitz_LTD is a little off |
| 02:07.26 | [STC]_creeperz | Ouch |
| 02:07.35 | michaelh2 | that doesn't include the 5 years my parents paid for :) |
| 02:07.37 | [STC]_creeperz | But think of all of the money you'll make, though |
| 02:07.46 | michaelh2 | for sure eventually |
| 02:08.11 | michaelh2 | that 23,000 includes living expenses though for 2 years more or less |
| 02:10.32 | michaelh2 | some avid *programmers* get kind of poed when they go to school and find out a csci degree isn't just programming :) |
| 02:10.54 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 02:11.50 | lurgyman | [STC]_creeperz: i wouldn't call school a "waste" just because it doesn't pertain directly to what you want your career to be... you should still be an informed citizen, and in order for that to happen you need a broad education |
| 02:12.27 | lurgyman | especially around high school |
| 02:12.36 | [STC]_creeperz | lurgyman: I know :-) It's not like I said I was going to take a gun to school...Or drop out ;-) |
| 02:12.46 | michaelh2 | I don't think it is either, but I think it should be mentioned that a Csci degree isn't just programming, and that the degree itself doesn't guarentee you a job |
| 02:13.00 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea |
| 02:13.02 | lurgyman | certainly |
| 02:13.04 | michaelh2 | speaking as a Csci degree with no job :) |
| 02:13.19 | lurgyman | that's why i'm in EE :-p |
| 02:13.34 | michaelh2 | yeah well.. we'll see what happens when you graduate :) |
| 02:13.41 | lurgyman | :) |
| 02:13.43 | michaelh2 | there's the test! |
| 02:14.19 | michaelh2 | for sure.. try to get internships, real on the job experience etc. before you graduate |
| 02:14.35 | michaelh2 | if you don't already have such things |
| 02:14.46 | michaelh2 | hmmmm |
| 02:15.01 | michaelh2 | or go back in time 5 years |
| 02:15.15 | lurgyman | heh |
| 02:15.17 | michaelh2 | and get hired on the spot with huge bonus's |
| 02:15.34 | lurgyman | ya |
| 02:17.54 | michaelh2 | that was some icky stuff |
| 02:18.14 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea |
| 02:18.28 | michaelh2 | matrices are fun though .. that's linear algebra / diff. equations though |
| 02:18.30 | [STC]_creeperz | Stravinsky is a little bit odd |
| 02:18.31 | lurgyman | seriously... you know you're in for trouble in any form of math involving a symbol 'nabla' |
| 02:18.47 | lurgyman | stravinsky is one of the best composers ever |
| 02:18.57 | michaelh2 | it's usually just one squiggle or another |
| 02:18.57 | lurgyman | now, as far as odd goes... |
| 02:19.01 | [STC]_creeperz | I'm kidding :-) |
| 02:19.13 | lurgyman | Mahler is your man |
| 02:19.42 | michaelh2 | I survived all my math without learning a terrible amount -- in particular calculus |
| 02:20.11 | michaelh2 | just a bit too abstract to grasp I think for me |
| 02:20.37 | lurgyman | silly double degree |
| 02:20.41 | lurgyman | insane, insane idea... |
| 02:20.50 | michaelh2 | EE and what? |
| 02:21.13 | lurgyman | music performance |
| 02:21.25 | [STC]_creeperz | You like MOTAB? |
| 02:21.36 | [STC]_creeperz | Mormon Tabernacle Choir |
| 02:21.37 | michaelh2 | actually two separate degrees or just majors? |
| 02:21.52 | lurgyman | two separate degrees |
| 02:22.06 | michaelh2 | overlapping to some point I hope? |
| 02:22.07 | lurgyman | (it would be a double major if the two degrees were in the same college of the university) |
| 02:22.11 | lurgyman | a little... |
| 02:22.18 | [STC]_creeperz | lurgyman: You luike MOTAB? |
| 02:22.21 | lurgyman | about a third of the music requirements are open elective |
| 02:22.25 | lurgyman | [STC]_creeperz: MOTAB? |
| 02:22.34 | [STC]_creeperz | Mormon Tabernacle Choir |
| 02:22.42 | michaelh2 | I took my csci degree though the liberal arts college hence a B.A. in psych and csci |
| 02:23.04 | creeperz | Ah |
| 02:23.12 | lurgyman | heh... the B.A. is the slacker version of the Bachelor of Music at our school |
| 02:23.15 | michaelh2 | Csci people wonder that a csci B.A. is possible and psych people wonder why csci |
| 02:23.37 | lurgyman | captain_proton has a BA |
| 02:23.48 | creeperz | BS! |
| 02:23.48 | michaelh2 | difference perhaps 4 or 5 classes |
| 02:23.49 | creeperz | :-) |
| 02:23.52 | lurgyman | :) |
| 02:24.31 | michaelh2 | I got to skip numerical analysis -- some bloated course they use Mathlab for |
| 02:24.46 | lurgyman | ew |
| 02:25.02 | lurgyman | the only cs we're required to take is a semester of C or matlab |
| 02:25.24 | lurgyman | which school did you go to? |
| 02:25.28 | michaelh2 | what language did that use? Pascal? |
| 02:25.34 | lurgyman | C++ |
| 02:25.36 | michaelh2 | University of Minnesota twin cities |
| 02:25.39 | lurgyman | ah |
| 02:25.41 | michaelh2 | cool |
| 02:25.55 | michaelh2 | a real programming language how about that |
| 02:26.03 | lurgyman | all the rigid structure of C + the power of BASIC! |
| 02:26.12 | michaelh2 | how far did you get in C ++ ? |
| 02:26.26 | michaelh2 | in that one semester -- kind of hard to believe they can teach so much |
| 02:26.32 | lurgyman | nah, 2 years |
| 02:26.33 | lurgyman | inheritance, templates... etc |
| 02:26.52 | lurgyman | they did a really crappy job covering the STL |
| 02:26.57 | lurgyman | so i just went ahead and learned it |
| 02:27.22 | michaelh2 | I never learned C++ in school, they basically used Java and I learned C++ by reading a textbook I bought on my own |
| 02:28.01 | michaelh2 | Java is neat at least for having a built in standardized OO gui |
| 02:28.35 | michaelh2 | no funky windows calls and then funky mac calls and funky other platform calls |
| 02:29.02 | lurgyman | yeah... that's pretty much what Java's good for |
| 02:29.36 | michaelh2 | It's sort of a simplified C++ without pointers, low-level C stuff, that is completely OO oriented |
| 02:30.42 | michaelh2 | and of course slow as crud at times and fascistically cross-platform |
| 02:30.53 | lurgyman | yep |
| 02:31.15 | michaelh2 | so sometimes you just can't do on a given platform what you can do in a real programming language |
| 02:31.17 | creeperz | And can type pretty fast |
| 02:33.21 | creeperz | What's everyone's favorite programming language! |
| 02:34.25 | lurgyman | MS QBASIC! |
| 02:35.20 | michaelh2 | I think I like C++ the best, although would be better if there were some more cross platform features built into it |
| 02:35.32 | creeperz | Yea |
| 02:35.44 | creeperz | PERL would be cool to learn, to me |
| 02:35.51 | michaelh2 | perl is weird |
| 02:35.56 | creeperz | Heh |
| 02:36.07 | creeperz | Python is even weirder |
| 02:36.07 | lurgyman | amen to that |
| 02:36.27 | creeperz | What? |
| 02:36.27 | michaelh2 | but most ISP's give you at least Perl access with your web account |
| 02:36.43 | creeperz | That's his 7th symphony? |
| 02:36.45 | michaelh2 | plus of course, it's built into unix et al |
| 02:37.08 | creeperz | Ah |
| 02:37.50 | lurgyman | yep... 7th symphon y |
| 02:38.02 | creeperz | That guy's a psycho! |
| 02:38.04 | creeperz | :-) |
| 02:39.10 | lurgyman | oh yeah |
| 02:39.20 | creeperz | Is he? |
| 02:39.41 | lurgyman | most neurotic music ever |
| 02:39.51 | creeperz | Heh |
| 02:39.59 | lurgyman | he's where John Williams stole most of the material for the Star Wars music |
| 02:40.03 | creeperz | Is it driving you insane? :-) |
| 02:40.09 | lurgyman | the rest of it came from "The Planets" |
| 02:40.21 | creeperz | Ah |
| 02:40.32 | creeperz | :-) |
| 02:42.58 | creeperz | How's life? |
| 02:43.03 | lurgyman | calcurific |
| 02:43.22 | creeperz | Whatever that means... :-) |
| 02:43.26 | creeperz | What does it mean? |
| 02:45.23 | michaelh2 | means remembering some bizarre combination of symbols |
| 02:45.35 | creeperz | Oh |
| 02:45.51 | Patlabor221 | halo make hand hurt |
| 02:45.56 | michaelh2 | and how they can be reformed into another bizarre collection of symbols |
| 02:46.01 | creeperz | I fell back in my chair! Would have hit my head if I weren't wearing these headphones! |
| 02:46.18 | creeperz | Good cord! |
| 02:46.24 | creeperz | :-) |
| 02:47.46 | michaelh2 | ibot += 1 |
| 02:47.46 | | michaelh2: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:48.00 | michaelh2 | ibot 2 ++ |
| 02:48.01 | | michaelh2: wish i knew |
| 02:48.06 | michaelh2 | ibot 2++ |
| 02:48.16 | Patlabor221 | ibot michaelh2 ++ |
| 02:48.19 | michaelh2 | hmm |
| 02:48.31 | Patlabor221 | ibot karma |
| 02:48.31 | | patlabor221 has neutral karma |
| 02:48.41 | michaelh2 | ibot karma |
| 02:48.41 | | michaelh2 has neutral karma |
| 02:48.57 | Patlabor221 | ibot michaelh2 -- |
| 02:49.22 | michaelh2 | ibot karma |
| 02:49.22 | | michaelh2 has neutral karma |
| 02:49.34 | Patlabor221 | takes more then one to affect it :) |
| 02:49.41 | michaelh2 | ibot pi |
| 02:49.52 | michaelh2 | ibot pi / 1 |
| 02:50.11 | michaelh2 | ibot 2*3 |
| 02:50.40 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't have symbolic contants that I know of |
| 02:51.06 | michaelh2 | ibot 2 * 3 |
| 02:51.16 | creeperz | ibot, 2 times 3 |
| 02:51.29 | michaelh2 | ~2 * 3 |
| 02:51.31 | creeperz | ~2+3 |
| 02:51.35 | creeperz | :-) |
| 02:51.44 | creeperz | ~pi |
| 02:51.57 | michaelh2 | ~ibot |
| 02:51.58 | Noodlebot | ibot is a retard |
| 02:52.13 | michaelh2 | ~what is ibot |
| 02:52.17 | creeperz | I taught noodlebot that :-) |
| 02:52.19 | creeperz | Heh |
| 02:52.26 | creeperz | Hood Noodlebot! |
| 02:52.32 | creeperz | Good* |
| 02:56.39 | creeperz | Not as much as pat, however :-) |
| 02:56.56 | Patlabor221 | probably not |
| 02:57.11 | Patlabor221 | time to get my sorry butt home |
| 02:57.20 | creeperz | Heh |
| 02:57.25 | creeperz | Get fired? |
| 02:57.25 | creeperz | J|K |
| 02:57.30 | creeperz | Or did you? |
| 02:57.44 | michaelh2 | ~hello |
| 02:57.55 | michaelh2 | ibot askdjasdasd |
| 02:58.18 | creeperz | ask D.J. as da' SD? |
| 02:58.22 | creeperz | :-) |
| 03:01.23 | creeperz | What's everyone up to? |
| 03:04.22 | creeperz | Microsoft is a $9 bil corperation |
| 03:04.35 | creeperz | And that just can't take a fall :-) |
| 03:04.53 | creeperz | UI would like to work at Microsoft :-) |
| 03:04.58 | creeperz | O* |
| 03:04.59 | creeperz | I** |
| 03:05.45 | creeperz | BOO! |
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| 03:06.31 | creeperz | Hallo |
| 03:06.47 | creeperz | Pat: I'm so oppy for you! |
| 03:06.57 | creeperz | :-) |
| 03:07.11 | Patlabor221 | your name is Inego Monotoya, I killed your father, prepare to die? |
| 03:07.31 | lurgyman | stop saying that! |
| 03:07.36 | creeperz | What? |
| 03:07.49 | Patlabor221 | kids these days |
| 03:07.56 | Patlabor221 | need to see some good movies |
| 03:07.59 | creeperz | No doubt...it's off of an anime :-) |
| 03:08.05 | Patlabor221 | and read some good books |
| 03:08.10 | Patlabor221 | nothing of the sort |
| 03:08.15 | creeperz | Really? |
| 03:08.18 | creeperz | What movie? |
| 03:08.29 | Patlabor221 | the princess bride |
| 03:08.41 | creeperz | Never heard of it |
| 03:08.44 | Patlabor221 | "mabe I jog him a bit too much" |
| 03:08.56 | creeperz | Silence of the Hams :-) |
| 03:09.05 | Patlabor221 | ummm no |
| 03:09.25 | creeperz | Heh |
| 03:09.38 | creeperz | I mean it's an odd movie |
| 03:09.49 | Patlabor221 | sounds silly |
| 03:10.00 | creeperz | Never seen? |
| 03:10.07 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 03:10.21 | creeperz | In it, there's this guy named Joe D. Foster :-) |
| 03:10.35 | Patlabor221 | sounds like a bad parody |
| 03:10.42 | creeperz | Heh |
| 03:10.44 | creeperz | It's kinda funny |
| 03:10.55 | Patlabor221 | thats the idea behind parody |
| 03:11.04 | creeperz | I know |
| 03:11.25 | creeperz | Thems sound like fight'in' words |
| 03:12.04 | creeperz | . |
| 03:12.07 | creeperz | Oopz |
| 03:13.06 | Patlabor221 | it is a common cable movie |
| 03:13.07 | creeperz | I hate my computer |
| 03:13.18 | creeperz | I don't watch TV |
| 03:13.18 | lurgyman | it's a common broadcast movie too |
| 03:13.25 | Patlabor221 | but maybe he went with the Lessle Neilson line of cable movies |
| 03:13.31 | lurgyman | it's a common movie for anyone with younger sisters |
| 03:14.40 | creeperz | I don't have |
| 03:16.13 | Patlabor221 | he would probably call it a "girly movie" |
| 03:16.15 | Patlabor221 | cus it has kissing |
| 03:16.43 | creeperz | Me? |
| 03:17.18 | creeperz | Pat: me? |
| 03:17.24 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 03:17.31 | creeperz | Why would I do that? |
| 03:17.52 | Patlabor221 | it's a joke, if you have seen the movie |
| 03:17.59 | creeperz | Oh |
| 03:18.01 | creeperz | ?? |
| 03:19.05 | Patlabor221 | jokes can not be explained |
| 03:19.18 | creeperz | I didn't ask you to explain it |
| 03:19.43 | Patlabor221 | you had '??' on a line by itself |
| 03:19.55 | Patlabor221 | common way to ask for an explination |
| 03:20.06 | creeperz | If I had WANTED to understand it, I would have ASKED |
| 03:20.11 | creeperz | Really? |
| 03:20.14 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:20.48 | Patlabor221 | each line is usualy interpreted as a seperate sentance. |
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| 15:08.41 | Jormungandr | mighty quiet in here. |
| 15:08.43 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 15:08.48 | bzdoug | hahaa |
| 15:09.14 | Jormungandr | I got my camera yesterday.. now I just wait for lenses... fedex says they are in town, and will be delivered tomorrow. |
| 15:09.41 | bzdoug | no box, they stuck a stamp on it and shipped it |
| 15:09.44 | Jormungandr | I suppose I could call them, and have them hold them at the fedex center and pick them up in the morning, rather than waiting all day for the truck. |
| 15:09.47 | Jormungandr | wow. |
| 15:10.04 | bzdoug | fiberglass too cost 20 bucks shipping each |
| 15:10.18 | Jormungandr | well, that's not too bad considering. |
| 15:10.26 | bzdoug | nope |
| 15:10.39 | Jormungandr | shipping on my packages cost me 12 bucks. |
| 15:10.48 | bzdoug | haha |
| 15:10.49 | Jormungandr | had a serious issue with getting the camera yesterday, though. |
| 15:11.02 | Jormungandr | called store "status?" |
| 15:11.03 | bzdoug | it shipped USPS, so its cheaper I guess |
| 15:11.15 | bzdoug | heh |
| 15:11.16 | Jormungandr | one came in, someone had deposit before you.. you wait 2 weeks. |
| 15:11.25 | bzdoug | ick |
| 15:11.33 | Jormungandr | NO WAY! you promised me one by may 1 |
| 15:11.38 | Jormungandr | so I called around. |
| 15:11.45 | Jormungandr | then finally called fry's electronics. |
| 15:11.51 | Jormungandr | they had 3 in stock for same price. |
| 15:11.58 | Jormungandr | I went to get refund.. they had to give me a check. |
| 15:12.10 | Jormungandr | so I went to bank in grocery store 10 minutes before they close, and cash it. |
| 15:12.20 | Jormungandr | then rush to fry's. I get register #13. :) |
| 15:12.24 | bzdoug | haha |
| 15:12.28 | Jormungandr | but everything came out fine. |
| 15:12.34 | Jormungandr | got camera, and am very happy. |
| 15:12.36 | bzdoug | digital? |
| 15:12.50 | bzdoug | or film? |
| 15:12.52 | Jormungandr | oh, yeah. DSLR. canon EOS 10D 6.3 MP |
| 15:13.00 | bzdoug | sweet |
| 15:13.02 | Jormungandr | professional digital. |
| 15:13.02 | bzdoug | :) |
| 15:13.10 | Jormungandr | and expensive. :/ |
| 15:13.13 | bzdoug | my dad wants the 11 MP camera |
| 15:13.17 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 15:13.25 | Jormungandr | that one is awesome, but I'm going to wait. |
| 15:13.43 | bzdoug | I just want a camera I can take web photos with |
| 15:13.44 | Jormungandr | 6.3 is more than enough. it's twice the rating of my current camera. |
| 15:13.46 | bzdoug | yea |
| 15:14.18 | Jormungandr | as it is, I paid 1620 for this one with tax... and 700 on accessories. |
| 15:14.21 | bzdoug | I cant find out wether or not I can remove my bumpers or not |
| 15:14.23 | bzdoug | wow |
| 15:14.35 | Jormungandr | got 2 lenses, 1 gb cf card, and remote switch. |
| 15:14.46 | bzdoug | sweet |
| 15:14.48 | bzdoug | :) |
| 15:14.52 | bzdoug | wideangle and zoom? |
| 15:14.58 | bzdoug | or wideangle and normal? |
| 15:15.01 | Jormungandr | 28-200mm zoom |
| 15:15.04 | Jormungandr | and 50 mm fixed |
| 15:15.46 | bzdoug | ah |
| 15:16.06 | Jormungandr | problem is that this camera acts like a 1.6 multiplier, so if I want to do decent wide angle, I need to buy a super small mm rating, and multiply it by 1.6 |
| 15:16.14 | bzdoug | hm |
| 15:16.15 | bzdoug | odd |
| 15:16.29 | Jormungandr | but... the good thing is that the zoom is also multiplied by 1.6 |
| 15:16.36 | bzdoug | ah |
| 15:16.38 | bzdoug | thats cool |
| 15:16.57 | Jormungandr | so my 200 becomes a 320 |
| 15:17.08 | Jormungandr | and I do mostly zoom/macro stuff anyway. |
| 15:17.13 | bzdoug | ah |
| 15:17.14 | Jormungandr | oh, cool. good luck. |
| 15:17.22 | bzdoug | yea.. |
| 15:17.54 | Jormungandr | so if I want wide angle, I'll buy a 14 or 16mm to get 22.4 - 25ish. |
| 15:18.08 | Jormungandr | which is more than enough for me. |
| 15:18.18 | bzdoug | neat |
| 15:18.24 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 15:18.58 | bzdoug | http://www.dpreview.com/news/0302/03022710canoneos10d.asp |
| 15:19.04 | Jormungandr | I have to decide whether to go to the zoo or to the botanical garden on friday. :) |
| 15:19.05 | bzdoug | that one I guess |
| 15:19.07 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 15:19.13 | bzdoug | hah |
| 15:19.36 | Jormungandr | it's a great camera... look at some of the sample images... the watch one is awesome... download the full size and look at the detail. |
| 15:19.44 | bzdoug | yea |
| 15:20.21 | Jormungandr | dpreview is a great site. |
| 15:20.33 | Jormungandr | I spend a lot of time going through galleries there. |
| 15:20.34 | bzdoug | wow |
| 15:20.42 | bzdoug | thats like real film |
| 15:20.43 | bzdoug | :) |
| 15:20.44 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 15:21.07 | Jormungandr | and it does up to 3200 ISO |
| 15:21.27 | bzdoug | hah |
| 15:21.29 | Jormungandr | I'm going to do a lot of night photography for fun. |
| 15:21.38 | Jormungandr | maybe some panorama shots of phoenix. |
| 15:21.40 | Jormungandr | at night. |
| 15:22.09 | bzdoug | cool |
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| 15:23.41 | bzdoug | or get a film camera and get on of these: http://www.flatbed-scanner-review.org/CezanneflatbedscannerScreenUSA/ScreenUSACezannescanner.htm |
| 15:24.01 | Jormungandr | I really don't like dealing with film. |
| 15:24.18 | Jormungandr | I'm going to get a film body for my ef lenses, but I'm only going to use it when I have to. |
| 15:24.24 | bzdoug | ah |
| 15:24.27 | Jormungandr | like classes that won't allow digital. |
| 15:24.28 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 15:24.42 | bzdoug | btw those scanners cost 27000 |
| 15:24.48 | Jormungandr | eeeeeeeeek! |
| 15:24.56 | bzdoug | and my dad works on the fuji and screen ones |
| 15:24.59 | bzdoug | :) |
| 15:25.02 | Jormungandr | the printer I want is 3-4K :( |
| 15:25.16 | bzdoug | but SHEESH, those scanners are well nigh perfect |
| 15:25.21 | bzdoug | ah |
| 15:25.23 | bzdoug | xante? |
| 15:25.37 | Jormungandr | the new fuji processes are awesome.. where they print digital in a true photo process. |
| 15:25.43 | Jormungandr | no.. the epson. |
| 15:25.47 | bzdoug | ah |
| 15:25.49 | bzdoug | yea |
| 15:25.50 | Jormungandr | 24"-44" wide carriage. |
| 15:26.03 | Jormungandr | with photo archive inks. |
| 15:26.09 | Jormungandr | I want POSTERS! |
| 15:26.11 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 15:26.34 | bzdoug | wow |
| 15:26.54 | Jormungandr | the nice thing is that each color is a separate cartridge. |
| 15:27.00 | bzdoug | yea |
| 15:27.04 | bzdoug | replace each color |
| 15:27.06 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 15:27.14 | Jormungandr | and I think it's 5 or 7 colors. |
| 15:27.44 | bzdoug | sheesh |
| 15:27.54 | Jormungandr | I'm going to get a local shop to print them for me until I can afford the printer. |
| 15:28.00 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 15:28.12 | bzdoug | how much per print out? |
| 15:28.15 | Jormungandr | I don't like the quality of color laser.. I prefer ink to that. |
| 15:28.23 | bzdoug | yea |
| 15:28.35 | Jormungandr | not certain. right now, depending on media, I'm paying about 2-3 bucks for printout. |
| 15:28.39 | Jormungandr | for 13x19 |
| 15:29.02 | Jormungandr | sometimes less if I get good deal on ink. |
| 15:29.12 | bzdoug | cool |
| 15:29.26 | Jormungandr | but I can sell my posters at 20-25 bucks each. |
| 15:29.38 | bzdoug | ah |
| 15:29.55 | Jormungandr | I want to find an inexpensive commercial printer. |
| 15:30.05 | Jormungandr | that I can pay to do the work. :) |
| 15:30.06 | Patlabor221 | we have a nice 11x17 color printer :) |
| 15:30.17 | bzdoug | hm |
| 15:30.20 | Jormungandr | mine does 13x19 right now. |
| 15:30.22 | bzdoug | how many posters? |
| 15:30.37 | Jormungandr | well, I found online places that are fairly cheap. |
| 15:30.43 | Jormungandr | but I want something local. |
| 15:30.50 | Jormungandr | 10-20 at a time. |
| 15:31.05 | Jormungandr | until I can start marketing myself |
| 15:31.31 | Jormungandr | the online places are super cheap if I order lots of 250. |
| 15:31.39 | Jormungandr | like 1.30 each or something. |
| 15:31.41 | bzdoug | haha |
| 15:31.50 | bzdoug | I have 250 posters here |
| 15:31.58 | bzdoug | buy them for 5 bucks each! |
| 15:32.07 | Jormungandr | not too bad. |
| 15:32.24 | bzdoug | ~5 - 1.30 |
| 15:32.25 | | 3.7 |
| 15:32.34 | bzdoug | plus.. oh, 30 bucks shipping? |
| 15:32.40 | Jormungandr | probably. |
| 15:32.43 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 15:33.07 | bzdoug | ~250*1.30 |
| 15:33.08 | | 325 |
| 15:33.11 | bzdoug | hm |
| 15:33.30 | Jormungandr | how big are your posters? |
| 15:33.33 | bzdoug | ~325 / 5 |
| 15:33.34 | | 65 |
| 15:33.50 | Jormungandr | these are 13x19 full bleed. |
| 15:33.54 | bzdoug | mine? I dont have any |
| 15:34.12 | Jormungandr | <bzdoug> I have 250 posters here |
| 15:34.15 | Jormungandr | silly |
| 15:34.32 | bzdoug | <bzdoug> I have 250 posters here meant if I had 250 posters I could sell them cheaply |
| 15:34.36 | bzdoug | and still make a profit |
| 15:35.01 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 15:35.44 | Jormungandr | if I sold them at $20 each I'd make 4675 profit. |
| 15:35.54 | bzdoug | sheesh |
| 15:35.55 | bzdoug | :) |
| 15:35.59 | bzdoug | and buy a new printer |
| 15:36.04 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 15:36.09 | bzdoug | then make them for 50 cents apiece |
| 15:36.12 | Jormungandr | the hard part is finding stuff people will buy consistantly. |
| 15:36.12 | bzdoug | on bigger posters |
| 15:36.21 | bzdoug | yea |
| 15:36.30 | Jormungandr | well, with the printer, I can do specialty stuff. |
| 15:36.36 | Jormungandr | for framing, etc. |
| 15:36.41 | Jormungandr | limited edition prints. |
| 15:36.44 | bzdoug | yea |
| 15:37.30 | Jormungandr | I'd still contract for regular sizes, because it's cheaper, and take less work on my part. |
| 15:37.44 | bzdoug | yea |
| 15:38.49 | Jormungandr | and it's hard to do your own full bleed posters... it's really expensive, and time consuming without the specialty equipment. |
| 15:38.59 | bzdoug | indeed |
| 15:39.32 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 15:39.45 | Jormungandr | a friend has a quicktime VR setup. |
| 15:39.54 | Jormungandr | it's pretty cool. |
| 15:39.58 | bzdoug | cool |
| 15:40.13 | bzdoug | a bowl lense or just rotate the camera? |
| 15:40.19 | Jormungandr | hrm. I should call him. |
| 15:40.27 | Jormungandr | I think it's a rotate camera. |
| 15:40.30 | bzdoug | ah |
| 15:40.31 | Jormungandr | pretty sure. |
| 15:40.35 | Jormungandr | he probably has both. |
| 15:40.37 | bzdoug | the bowl one is cool |
| 15:40.42 | Jormungandr | it was when he was trendy and rich. :) |
| 15:40.52 | bzdoug | haha |
| 15:41.32 | Jormungandr | bbiaf. |
| 15:41.45 | bzdoug | http://thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/pix/144664.jpg <-- thats what my rear trunk looks like |
| 15:41.49 | bzdoug | k |
| 15:44.54 | bzdoug | 'lo hardwire |
| 15:45.01 | bzdoug | hows the licence goin? |
| 15:45.02 | bzdoug | :P |
| 15:45.04 | hardwire | lo bzdoug |
| 15:45.14 | hardwire | all in good time my friend |
| 15:45.18 | bzdoug | haha |
| 15:45.19 | hardwire | I have other things to be doing |
| 15:45.31 | bzdoug | like a baloon |
| 15:45.55 | hardwire | augh |
| 15:45.59 | hardwire | don't try to get me down |
| 15:46.01 | hardwire | whats the point? |
| 15:46.04 | bzdoug | lol |
| 15:46.14 | hardwire | I seriously have lots of other things I am doing ATM. |
| 15:46.24 | bzdoug | like school? |
| 15:46.25 | bzdoug | :) |
| 15:46.38 | hardwire | no |
| 15:46.44 | hardwire | I haven't been in school for a very long time |
| 15:47.01 | bzdoug | ah |
| 15:47.01 | Patlabor221 | most people have jobs doug. |
| 15:47.03 | bzdoug | brb |
| 15:49.55 | Jormungandr | not a pretty trunk, doug. :) |
| 15:50.48 | Patlabor221 | sigh* well bakadigital showed up on just about every X-box forum out there on the planet |
| 15:52.02 | hardwire | idiotdigital |
| 15:52.35 | Patlabor221 | that didn't have quite the same ring to it when I registerd the name |
| 15:57.29 | bzdoug | Patlabor221: why is it on every Xbox forum? |
| 15:58.00 | Patlabor221 | cus somone posted a link to the RvB eopisode we had up there. |
| 15:58.13 | bzdoug | ah |
| 15:58.36 | Patlabor221 | That person has now had the everlovin piss beat out of them |
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| 16:00.51 | BaDiN | hey |
| 16:01.05 | Patlabor221 | but now when time I post on the Red vs. Blue boards the admin says to me "don't post this all over the internet, ok :)" |
| 16:01.09 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 16:02.31 | bzdoug | hehe |
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| 16:05.14 | Chestal | hi Storm |
| 16:09.34 | BaDiN | chestal |
| 16:09.44 | BaDiN | what do you think of the league division? |
| 16:10.25 | Chestal | I don't think it's a good idea. The only point I can see in favour of it is that it might motivate some of the lwoer ranked teams more |
| 16:10.53 | Chestal | they might lose interest when they are near the bottom of the ranking as it is right now |
| 16:11.05 | Chestal | but splitting the league would lower the number of possible matches |
| 16:11.19 | BaDiN | well... |
| 16:11.21 | BaDiN | it would |
| 16:11.45 | BaDiN | but i dont see the point of the scurvy dogs or blitz be beat-our for 10-0 or 15-0 every match |
| 16:12.18 | Chestal | well, in general, it's not a good idea for a team to play another team with an extremely different rating |
| 16:12.24 | Chestal | but it's up to the teams of course |
| 16:12.47 | Chestal | the main problem is that only the top teams have been playing regularly in the past |
| 16:12.58 | Chestal | thus, new teams had their debuts against the top teams and lot badly |
| 16:13.01 | Chestal | lost, even |
| 16:13.39 | BaDiN | hum |
| 16:13.45 | BaDiN | well |
| 16:13.52 | BaDiN | we could make a paralel league |
| 16:13.57 | BaDiN | with that division |
| 16:14.10 | BaDiN | and the teams would decide if the match would count for the league |
| 16:14.16 | BaDiN | (or for both, if possible) |
| 16:14.37 | Storm | hi |
| 16:14.55 | Storm | forgot i was even in here |
| 16:15.07 | Chestal | one can get lost quickly in here |
| 16:15.15 | Storm | yup |
| 16:16.21 | Chestal | let's see where this ratign discussion thread leads us |
| 16:16.24 | BaDiN | fortunately the linux-freaks are not talking :D |
| 16:16.26 | BaDiN | just kiding |
| 16:16.33 | Chestal | maybe I'll really start it on bzflag centrum again |
| 16:17.25 | BaDiN | i dont follow bzflag centrum |
| 16:18.03 | Storm | thats the only one i read now |
| 16:18.06 | Chestal | hmm, would be nice to integrate the forums, don't know how, though |
| 16:18.32 | Storm | the databases cant be that disimilar |
| 16:19.03 | BaDiN | hum |
| 16:19.09 | Chestal | well, before any major changes canhappen, dmp must be back online |
| 16:19.16 | BaDiN | :) |
| 16:19.23 | BaDiN | why is he taking so long to move? |
| 16:19.31 | Patlabor221 | it's just a mysql database |
| 16:19.38 | Chestal | he probably hasn't found a decent ISP yet |
| 16:20.41 | BaDiN | tell me |
| 16:21.04 | BaDiN | what is the lowest price, in your countries, of the ASUS Motherboard A7S555-SIS |
| 16:21.05 | BaDiN | ? |
| 16:21.16 | BaDiN | here, in Portugal, is €88,74 |
| 16:21.48 | Chestal | would have to check one of those discount shops |
| 16:22.14 | Chestal | for what kind of CPU is it? |
| 16:22.42 | Patlabor221 | a7s555? I only show an A7S333 |
| 16:22.48 | BaDiN | sorry |
| 16:22.48 | BaDiN | lol |
| 16:22.50 | BaDiN | A7S333 |
| 16:22.51 | Patlabor221 | AMD |
| 16:22.53 | BaDiN | amd |
| 16:23.04 | Patlabor221 | $57.38 |
| 16:23.06 | Chestal | found one for 74E |
| 16:23.08 | BaDiN | i always write s555 lol |
| 16:23.19 | BaDiN | €74 in Germany!? |
| 16:23.21 | Patlabor221 | http://www.computerbrain.com/cbisys/buy.asp?main=Motherboards&title=Motherboards&id=55 |
| 16:23.29 | BaDiN | €57 in states?! |
| 16:23.37 | BaDiN | €89 in portugal!? |
| 16:23.39 | BaDiN | oh man |
| 16:23.51 | Patlabor221 | they may do international shiping |
| 16:23.51 | BaDiN | how come you earn more and your products are cheaper? |
| 16:24.00 | BaDiN | it'd take too long |
| 16:24.04 | Chestal | $57 is cheap, that's about 52E |
| 16:24.17 | Patlabor221 | it's quantity I guess |
| 16:24.33 | BaDiN | 52 |
| 16:24.34 | BaDiN | oh man |
| 16:24.48 | BaDiN | that is really cheap |
| 16:24.51 | BaDiN | :/ |
| 16:24.56 | BaDiN | and the amd duron 1.3? |
| 16:24.58 | Patlabor221 | that is near there cost too |
| 16:25.04 | BaDiN | here (with cooler) the cheaper is €60 |
| 16:25.08 | Chestal | foudn another: 65E |
| 16:25.19 | Patlabor221 | they expect to make the money on accessories |
| 16:25.40 | Chestal | 1.3 Ghz Duron is 40E |
| 16:25.47 | BaDiN | ! |
| 16:25.48 | Patlabor221 | for AMDs I am liking the MSK Kt400 board |
| 16:25.49 | BaDiN | incredible |
| 16:25.52 | Chestal | don't know whether it's with cooler |
| 16:26.12 | Patlabor221 | heh we sell a complete 1.3 duron system for under $300 US |
| 16:26.16 | BaDiN | the prices, here in portugal, should be cheaper! |
| 16:26.24 | BaDiN | how come they are higher |
| 16:26.32 | BaDiN | and people earn less? |
| 16:26.38 | bzdoug | its around the planet from china |
| 16:26.42 | Patlabor221 | like I say probably quantity. |
| 16:27.11 | BaDiN | well |
| 16:27.19 | BaDiN | they are manufactured at the usa, also |
| 16:27.29 | Patlabor221 | do most of your stores sell outside the country? |
| 16:27.29 | BaDiN | but it's unfair! |
| 16:27.30 | Chestal | the prices are from big dicsounts, I don't buy there anymore |
| 16:27.30 | BaDiN | :) |
| 16:27.42 | Patlabor221 | we actualy make things here? I thought it was all in china. |
| 16:27.57 | Chestal | and Taiwain |
| 16:28.02 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:28.12 | BaDiN | yes, but the companys are american |
| 16:28.19 | Chestal | but AMD CPUs are manufactured in different countries |
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| 16:28.32 | Patlabor221 | no, most mobo mfgs are asian companys |
| 16:29.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah the only big chip fabs in the US anymore are TI and motorola iirc |
| 16:29.07 | BaDiN | asus is asian? |
| 16:29.16 | Patlabor221 | yeah I am prety sure |
| 16:29.36 | BaDiN | oh |
| 16:29.41 | BaDiN | oh well... |
| 16:30.01 | BaDiN | i guess everybody wants to get rich for Portugal :) |
| 16:30.46 | Chestal | I always got a Portugese Euro coin in my pocket btw. |
| 16:31.09 | BaDiN | as we say here |
| 16:31.12 | Chestal | hmm, at least I thought I had |
| 16:31.17 | BaDiN | there is one portuguese in every corner in the world :) |
| 16:31.22 | Chestal | but suddenly it has transformed into a French one, waah |
| 16:31.31 | BaDiN | the portuguese community is quite big, there |
| 16:32.05 | BaDiN | quite big everywhere |
| 16:32.05 | BaDiN | lol |
| 16:32.12 | BaDiN | WE OWN THE WORLD |
| 16:32.13 | BaDiN | :D |
| 16:32.46 | Chestal | Portugal was big sveral hundred years ago |
| 16:33.02 | BaDiN | an empire |
| 16:33.23 | BaDiN | not "legal" (slaves, etc) |
| 16:33.26 | BaDiN | but an empire |
| 16:33.28 | BaDiN | lol |
| 16:33.46 | Storm | same with us brits :p |
| 16:34.05 | BaDiN | oh |
| 16:34.08 | BaDiN | you're english? |
| 16:34.14 | BaDiN | at last! another european banana! |
| 16:36.41 | Storm | well im part english... |
| 16:36.49 | Storm | but im in england |
| 16:36.53 | BaDiN | :) |
| 16:36.55 | BaDiN | where? |
| 16:37.01 | Storm | london |
| 16:37.52 | BaDiN | oh |
| 16:37.55 | BaDiN | the big metropole |
| 16:37.56 | BaDiN | :) |
| 16:38.02 | Storm | :-) |
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| 16:39.08 | Storm | anybody here a c++ programmer? |
| 16:39.31 | Chestal | bzflag is c++, so, yes |
| 16:39.51 | Storm | is anybody working on the next release? |
| 16:40.05 | Chestal | not really much development going on lately |
| 16:40.10 | Storm | :( |
| 16:40.52 | BaDiN | you could release the g1, for everybody |
| 16:41.07 | Storm | umm, can i ask u a c++ question...if u have a CDC object, and u have used it to do some drawing, but u want to get rid of teh drawing u have just done...what would u do? |
| 16:41.09 | Patlabor221 | it would be G2 |
| 16:41.22 | Patlabor221 | CDC, you mean MFC? |
| 16:41.25 | Storm | yeha |
| 16:41.31 | Patlabor221 | that's more then C++ |
| 16:41.38 | Patlabor221 | you call Release on it |
| 16:41.38 | BaDiN | oh, it starts :) |
| 16:41.38 | Storm | ok then, MFC Q :p |
| 16:41.47 | Storm | ah, ok |
| 16:41.54 | Patlabor221 | ReleaseDC(CDC*) |
| 16:42.03 | Patlabor221 | from the window you got the DC from. |
| 16:42.17 | Patlabor221 | where did you get the DC? |
| 16:42.23 | Chestal | ah, MFC, it's full of macros! |
| 16:42.31 | Storm | ive done that, but it didnt work |
| 16:42.47 | Patlabor221 | ohh sorry, you want to erase it? |
| 16:42.51 | Storm | i got the DC from GetDC(IntPtr.Zero); |
| 16:43.05 | Patlabor221 | not get rid of the DC |
| 16:43.09 | Patlabor221 | fill the rect. |
| 16:43.12 | Patlabor221 | with some color |
| 16:43.17 | BaDiN | okay, this is too hard for me :) |
| 16:43.21 | BaDiN | c u guys |
| 16:43.24 | Storm | i mean GetDC(null) |
| 16:43.28 | Storm | cya |
| 16:43.43 | Patlabor221 | from your window? |
| 16:44.02 | Storm | yeah, i was trying to create a bubble thingy that has a shadow |
| 16:44.03 | Patlabor221 | or is this a memory DC? |
| 16:44.08 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 16:44.08 | Storm | and i needed to draw the shadow |
| 16:44.23 | Patlabor221 | then just fill the bounds rect with a color |
| 16:44.32 | Patlabor221 | there is no "erase" fucnction. |
| 16:45.08 | Storm | darn |
| 16:45.20 | Storm | cos when i close the app, it leaves the rect filled. |
| 16:45.31 | Storm | as its not in the rect of the app |
| 16:45.49 | Patlabor221 | it's outside of your app window? |
| 16:45.53 | Storm | yeah |
| 16:45.57 | Patlabor221 | ick, |
| 16:46.03 | Patlabor221 | well you need to tell the shell to redraw |
| 16:46.12 | Storm | ah. |
| 16:46.19 | Patlabor221 | or you need to save the background ( in a blit ) and put it back |
| 16:46.33 | Storm | ah, which is easier/better. |
| 16:46.42 | Patlabor221 | since your outside your app, the OS dosn't know what you are doint |
| 16:46.44 | Patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 16:46.58 | Patlabor221 | never done much with screwing with a DC outside of the app |
| 16:47.01 | Patlabor221 | it gets wierd |
| 16:47.08 | Patlabor221 | cus other apps are working in there too |
| 16:47.13 | Storm | ok....as u can see, im no C++/MFC expert |
| 16:47.27 | Storm | in fact, i know didlly squat about it....im a C# programmer. |
| 16:47.36 | Patlabor221 | working with the OS screen DC is tricky |
| 16:47.43 | Patlabor221 | ick a fake language :) |
| 16:47.48 | Storm | its not fake |
| 16:47.50 | Patlabor221 | check codeguru |
| 16:47.51 | Storm | ;p |
| 16:47.52 | Patlabor221 | yeah it is :) |
| 16:47.53 | Storm | ok |
| 16:47.59 | Storm | why u say that? |
| 16:48.09 | Patlabor221 | *cough* interpreted(*cough) |
| 16:48.32 | Storm | :p |
| 16:48.42 | Storm | gotta start somewhere |
| 16:48.57 | Storm | and it seems pretty damn good to me |
| 16:51.15 | Patlabor221 | ohh it has it's uses |
| 16:51.19 | Patlabor221 | just not for me |
| 16:51.36 | Patlabor221 | it's slow, and very proproitary |
| 16:52.14 | Storm | dont know about slow, never done any intensive tasks with it |
| 16:52.27 | Chestal | probably faster than most other languages |
| 16:52.52 | Storm | hmmm, i havent got the slightest clue wot im doing...lol |
| 16:53.12 | Patlabor221 | then perhaps you would want to not work on drawing to the OS window, and try something a bit simpler. |
| 16:53.55 | Storm | but i want to make the shadow. |
| 16:54.05 | Patlabor221 | shell drawing is usualy better served by not having an app, but by registering explorer components, then you have access to the proper API and can set the shell's dirtry rect stuff |
| 16:54.57 | Patlabor221 | or if you are just trying to make your app not have a square window, you use "set window regon" |
| 16:55.36 | Patlabor221 | to set up an arbitrary regon. then at least the OS knows you will be drawing in that area. but then it only works for your app. |
| 16:56.05 | Storm | using regions is the easy part, the shadow is the hard bit. |
| 16:56.07 | Patlabor221 | that's how winamp and similar apps do there skins |
| 16:56.17 | Patlabor221 | you include the shadow in the regon |
| 16:56.31 | Patlabor221 | you blit the background to a buffer |
| 16:56.41 | Patlabor221 | then draw the shadow on top of it |
| 16:56.47 | Storm | ah, clever. |
| 16:56.49 | Patlabor221 | then blit it back to the regon |
| 16:57.02 | Storm | but what is blit? |
| 16:57.11 | Patlabor221 | or you use the transperancly stuff in the newer versions of the OS |
| 16:57.16 | Patlabor221 | a binary image copy |
| 16:57.22 | Storm | i was trying not to use that |
| 16:57.22 | Patlabor221 | bit blit |
| 16:57.38 | Patlabor221 | ohh your gonna have to blit |
| 16:57.40 | Patlabor221 | no mater what |
| 16:57.53 | Patlabor221 | if your trying to draw on top of the background, that means bliting |
| 16:58.18 | Storm | ok |
| 16:58.27 | Patlabor221 | by directly accessing the DC, you are teling windows that are taking care of all the drawing. |
| 16:58.49 | Patlabor221 | so it's all you, it will just erase what ever is in the dirty regon, that's it. |
| 16:59.22 | Patlabor221 | stuff like this requires a good understanding of 2d graphics and blit blend modes |
| 16:59.58 | Patlabor221 | every time the window moves your going to have to get what is underneath it to update the shadow background too |
| 17:00.36 | Storm | ok, so i can use bitblt to get what is in the region of the screen...then paint my app, and put the shadow on top, to give the illusion of a shadow |
| 17:00.48 | Patlabor221 | basicly |
| 17:00.56 | Patlabor221 | but if you do it that way it will flicker |
| 17:01.03 | Storm | hmmm |
| 17:01.07 | Storm | dont want that |
| 17:01.11 | Patlabor221 | so the best way is to keep the background in a memory DC |
| 17:01.20 | Patlabor221 | then make a "working" memory DC |
| 17:01.26 | Patlabor221 | copy the BG to that DC |
| 17:01.34 | Patlabor221 | draw your window and shadow in the DC |
| 17:01.41 | Patlabor221 | then blit the working DC to the screen |
| 17:01.46 | Patlabor221 | double buffer it. |
| 17:02.39 | Patlabor221 | basicly all the drawing hapens in memory and the blit to the screen is just the final part. and will be drawn over a similar image :) |
| 17:03.12 | Storm | errr..... |
| 17:03.20 | Patlabor221 | but then you have dibs |
| 17:03.22 | Patlabor221 | or ddbs |
| 17:03.32 | Storm | so it goes BG DC -> memDC -> Draw it. |
| 17:03.36 | Storm | ? |
| 17:03.44 | Patlabor221 | but if you ddbs then you have to watch out for screen bit depth changes. |
| 17:04.03 | Patlabor221 | bg DC-> memDC |
| 17:04.06 | Patlabor221 | draw in mem DC |
| 17:04.12 | Patlabor221 | put shadow in mem DC |
| 17:04.19 | Patlabor221 | blit mem DC to screen |
| 17:04.19 | Storm | ah |
| 17:04.35 | Storm | so i make a copy of the BG DC |
| 17:04.36 | Patlabor221 | so the thing that goes to the screen is the final image only |
| 17:04.41 | Storm | ah |
| 17:04.42 | Storm | i get it |
| 17:04.45 | Patlabor221 | that is one way |
| 17:04.52 | Patlabor221 | or just make a memory ddb |
| 17:05.09 | Patlabor221 | well a memory DC and select a bitmap into it |
| 17:05.15 | Patlabor221 | so you have a dib |
| 17:05.27 | Patlabor221 | cus you have to have a bitmap to blit from |
| 17:05.47 | Patlabor221 | a DC is not enough |
| 17:06.10 | Storm | this is all so complicated...but i can marshal the DC into a managed object, and use .NET's built in double-buffering, if im lucky that will work...else ill have to do it myself. |
| 17:06.38 | Storm | cos as soon as ive got the DC, im converting it to the managed equivilant, a Graphics object. |
| 17:07.39 | Patlabor221 | don't know about the ,net stuff |
| 17:07.53 | Patlabor221 | on a normal DC you can't blit untill you give it a bitmap to store the data |
| 17:08.00 | Patlabor221 | since a DC may not be a bitmap device |
| 17:08.12 | Patlabor221 | usualy you make dibs |
| 17:08.25 | Storm | ah |
| 17:08.38 | Storm | so how would i get the screen content from the DC |
| 17:08.52 | Storm | i mean how would i make the bitmap? |
| 17:09.10 | Patlabor221 | well in normal win32, you call createDCindirect |
| 17:09.19 | Patlabor221 | make a bitmapinfo structure |
| 17:09.28 | Patlabor221 | and call slect object on it into the DC |
| 17:09.40 | Storm | ok, i can do that in .NET |
| 17:09.44 | Patlabor221 | then evertying you draw to the DC is put into the data for that bitmap |
| 17:09.59 | Patlabor221 | then you can blit to/from that bitmap |
| 17:11.16 | Storm | createDCindirect isnt listed on MSDN |
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| 17:11.54 | ak|ra | hi |
| 17:11.57 | Storm | hi |
| 17:12.43 | Patlabor221 | let me look, that's not the exact fucntion name |
| 17:12.54 | Storm | ok |
| 17:12.58 | Patlabor221 | I usualy use a dib class :) |
| 17:13.47 | Storm | ah, well i have to import each function, so i need to know its name, decleration and the file it is in |
| 17:14.07 | Patlabor221 | there is a dib class on codeguru see what they use |
| 17:14.13 | Storm | k |
| 17:14.22 | Patlabor221 | I don't do much windows 2d imaging anymore |
| 17:14.30 | Patlabor221 | I do it all in OpenGL if I can. |
| 17:14.35 | Storm | ah |
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| 17:20.34 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: :) |
| 17:20.47 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: its the ways apple does it to :) |
| 17:20.52 | Patlabor221 | that it is |
| 17:21.05 | Patlabor221 | but on windows geting an open gl context for the main screen is tricky |
| 17:21.11 | Patlabor221 | and dosn't relay work |
| 17:21.26 | Patlabor221 | I don't realy mess with the shell |
| 17:21.26 | ak|ra | :) |
| 17:21.36 | Patlabor221 | I just do stuff in my own window |
| 17:21.39 | Patlabor221 | or take over the screen |
| 17:22.00 | larsl_school | Does anyone know any IRC channels about networking, especially the FTP protocol? |
| 17:22.52 | Chestal | ftp is sself-explanotry, just telnet/nc to an ftp port and do 'help' ;-) |
| 17:24.26 | ak|ra | larsl_school: http://www.openbsdjournal.org/howto/pfftp.html |
| 17:26.48 | larsl_school | Thanks. I'm trying to set up proftpd to tunnel through SSH, it's a bit tricky. |
| 17:27.23 | ak|ra | larsl_school: use pureftpd :) |
| 17:27.30 | ak|ra | it supports sftp as far as i know |
| 17:28.30 | larsl_school | ak|ra: I was using OpenSSH's sftp earlier, but the people who use the server wants FTP or possibly FTPS. =P |
| 17:31.49 | ak|ra | larsl_school: check out pureftpd |
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| 18:31.59 | bzdoug | gweetings |
| 18:32.55 | Secret_Hamster | hi <insert your nick here>, how are your how's the <wife/dog/hamster/kids>. I'm fine, yea really |
| 18:33.20 | bzdoug | lol |
| 18:33.58 | bzdoug | hi Secret_Hamster, how are your how's the hamster. I'm fine, yea really |
| 18:34.26 | Secret_Hamster | oops slight spelling mistake there isn't there |
| 18:34.47 | Secret_Hamster | no-ones ever picked that up before now |
| 18:34.53 | bzdoug | haha |
| 18:37.43 | Secret_Hamster | hum lets see if this unload bit works in xchatv2 |
| 18:37.57 | bzdoug | ? |
| 18:38.10 | Secret_Hamster | darn > Unloading individual perl scripts is not supported. |
| 18:38.17 | bzdoug | ah |
| 18:39.15 | stibnite | settle for kenny.pl? |
| 18:39.19 | Secret_Hamster | doh > unload allNo such plugin found. |
| 18:39.21 | Secret_Hamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.27 | bzdoug | lol |
| 18:39.29 | bzdoug | stibnite: ? |
| 18:39.40 | stibnite | nm, irssi joke |
| 18:39.50 | bzdoug | haha |
| 18:40.02 | stibnite | mfpmff |
| 18:40.09 | stibnite | ^^ that was 'hi' |
| 18:40.11 | Secret_Hamster | ah get it now |
| 18:40.28 | Secret_Hamster | I have a morse code script |
| 18:40.31 | bzdoug | ~dict mfpmff |
| 18:40.35 | bzdoug | ~mfpmff |
| 18:40.36 | Secret_Hamster | .... .. |
| 18:40.39 | bzdoug | haha |
| 18:40.42 | Secret_Hamster | that was hi |
| 18:40.50 | bzdoug | Secret_Hamster: I need to learn it |
| 18:41.14 | Secret_Hamster | -... --.. -.. --- ..- --. -...- .. ... -...- .- -...- .-- .- -. -.- . .-. |
| 18:41.21 | bzdoug | port 21 is ftp? |
| 18:41.28 | Jormungandr | yes |
| 18:41.35 | bzdoug | k |
| 18:41.35 | Secret_Hamster | that's says something not nice about bzdoug |
| 18:41.42 | Secret_Hamster | also port 20 |
| 18:41.56 | bzdoug | lol |
| 18:42.08 | Secret_Hamster | 20 = control port, port 21 is data port (passive) |
| 18:42.18 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 18:42.24 | bzdoug | ah |
| 18:42.24 | bzdoug | ok |
| 18:42.32 | Jormungandr | I've never seen ftp respond to port 20 on control |
| 18:42.47 | Jormungandr | 21 is control, and 21 is data also on passive. |
| 18:43.21 | Jormungandr | if I telnet to port 20 on my ftp server, no response. telnet to port 21, I get connection. |
| 18:43.36 | bzdoug | huh |
| 18:43.39 | Secret_Hamster | sorry your right 20 is data. 21 is control |
| 18:43.46 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 18:43.48 | Jormungandr | cool :) |
| 18:43.53 | bzdoug | :) |
| 18:44.04 | Secret_Hamster | just checked /etc/services |
| 18:44.08 | Jormungandr | me, too :) |
| 18:44.10 | bzdoug | Secret_Hamster: whats it say? |
| 18:44.15 | bzdoug | the -... --.. -.. --- ..- --. -...- .. ... -...- .- -...- .-- .- -. -.- . .-. |
| 18:44.26 | Secret_Hamster | do you really want to know |
| 18:44.33 | bzdoug | yah |
| 18:44.39 | bzdoug | ~morse -... --.. -.. --- ..- --. -...- .. ... -...- .- -...- .-- .- -. -.- . .-. |
| 18:44.47 | bzdoug | hmm, ibot doesnt do that |
| 18:44.49 | bzdoug | lame thing |
| 18:44.49 | Secret_Hamster | I didn't mean it I just wrote some dribble |
| 18:44.55 | bzdoug | haha |
| 18:45.19 | Secret_Hamster | it said (eek he's gonna hate me for this) bzdoug is a wanker |
| 18:45.33 | Secret_Hamster | it's my usual lame insult |
| 18:45.35 | bzdoug | haha |
| 18:45.42 | bzdoug | bloody brits |
| 18:45.56 | Secret_Hamster | I couldn't think of anything else to say and show the script |
| 18:46.02 | bzdoug | you live in england right? |
| 18:46.05 | Secret_Hamster | it decodes morse too |
| 18:46.13 | Secret_Hamster | Yea, I live in England |
| 18:46.16 | bzdoug | ah |
| 18:46.20 | bzdoug | nott.cable.ntl.com |
| 18:46.25 | Secret_Hamster | yup |
| 18:46.30 | Secret_Hamster | kinda lame that |
| 18:46.35 | bzdoug | lol |
| 18:46.45 | Secret_Hamster | shold send a false address. I never us dcc anyway |
| 18:47.04 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 18:47.26 | Secret_Hamster | however I'm pretty secure here. so I loose no sleep |
| 18:47.28 | Secret_Hamster | brb |
| 18:47.33 | Secret_Hamster | need more alcohol |
| 18:47.47 | bzdoug | nasty stuff |
| 18:48.10 | bzdoug | my rule is to never drink stuff that cars can run off of |
| 18:49.56 | Secret_Hamster | if it's good enough for a Ferrari it's good enough for me |
| 18:50.24 | bzdoug | ferrari's are lame cars |
| 18:50.39 | bzdoug | give me an aircooled porsche anyday |
| 18:50.41 | bzdoug | :P |
| 18:51.22 | Secret_Hamster | yea never liked Ferraris. most people seem to adore them though |
| 18:51.36 | Secret_Hamster | Personally Lotii do it for me |
| 18:51.49 | Secret_Hamster | Then porsche |
| 18:52.15 | bzdoug | porsches are VWs |
| 18:52.36 | bzdoug | my dad has a porsche 914, and I have a VW type 3 fastback |
| 18:52.44 | bzdoug | I could unbolt the engine and put it in mine |
| 18:52.54 | Secret_Hamster | And so are Audis now (aren't they) |
| 18:53.01 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 18:53.04 | bzdoug | I think |
| 18:53.11 | Secret_Hamster | Nice cars Audis |
| 18:53.24 | bzdoug | yea |
| 18:53.30 | bzdoug | porsches are better |
| 18:53.49 | Secret_Hamster | I drove an A3 1.9TDi a while back. Flew along. was doing about 220-240 kmh at one point |
| 18:53.59 | bzdoug | haha |
| 18:54.34 | Secret_Hamster | I was bricking myself. But I was following this guy in an Alfa Romeo 146 |
| 18:54.45 | Secret_Hamster | He just put his foot down all the way |
| 18:54.47 | bzdoug | lol |
| 18:55.49 | Secret_Hamster | I was well impressed how the Audi kept up. Rock solid suspension too |
| 18:56.17 | bzdoug | yea |
| 18:56.50 | Secret_Hamster | anyway back to coding my bot |
| 18:57.05 | Secret_Hamster | oh I'm supposed to be looking for a job too |
| 18:57.09 | bzdoug | haaa |
| 19:31.15 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you around? |
| 19:36.32 | Chestal | proton: is meq officialy dead now? |
| 19:42.35 | captain_proton | Chestal: think so |
| 20:11.49 | Patlabor221 | I am now |
| 20:19.18 | captain_proton | ah, k |
| 20:19.27 | captain_proton | a friend of mine was interested in buying a video card from you |
| 20:19.31 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 20:19.33 | Patlabor221 | what one? |
| 20:19.51 | captain_proton | 5200 iirc |
| 20:19.57 | captain_proton | that one is dualhead, right? |
| 20:20.03 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:20.11 | Patlabor221 | think we have 2 in stock still |
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| 20:22.49 | Patlabor221 | have him mail sean@rgpsales.com |
| 20:23.05 | darth_mall | Patlabor221: so.... about those video cards ^^ |
| 20:23.18 | darth_mall | is that who I email? sean@rgpsales? |
| 20:23.41 | darth_mall | or were you talking about something else ^^ |
| 20:24.11 | Patlabor221 | yeah, just send a mail to sean@rgpsailes.com saying you want one, and you heard about him from Jeff Myers on IRC. and give him your address and he can get you the exact price. |
| 20:24.28 | Patlabor221 | it's a GeForce FX 5200 |
| 20:24.45 | darth_mall | sweet, thanks |
| 20:24.55 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 20:25.09 | darth_mall | is it rgpsales or rgpsailes? |
| 20:25.14 | Patlabor221 | sales |
| 20:25.16 | darth_mall | kk |
| 20:25.19 | darth_mall | just makin sure ^^ |
| 20:25.23 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 20:27.09 | Noodleman | i was just thinking about this... |
| 20:27.32 | Noodleman | a while back i was looking for a cd burner, and i when to this store and all they had were scsi |
| 20:27.57 | Noodleman | i asked if they had any that weren't scsi, and he said no |
| 20:28.21 | Noodleman | when we left the store, my mom asked me why i called the guy's stuff scuzzy |
| 20:28.38 | Noodleman | i had a big belly laugh over that one :-) |
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| 20:39.21 | Noodlebot | luser alert! |
| 20:41.22 | Noodlebot | luser ia gone! |
| 20:44.44 | Secret_Hamster | lol |
| 20:44.57 | Secret_Hamster | I love that. gonna have to add that to my bot |
| 20:47.25 | Noodleman | i just did that manually, /msg Noodlebot say #bzflag luser is gone! |
| 20:47.33 | Noodleman | i'm going to add that to the code tho :-) |
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| 20:52.50 | [STC]_creeperz | Hello |
| 20:53.16 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 20:53.22 | [STC]_creeperz | Nothing |
| 20:53.24 | Patlabor221 | noodle how hard is the noodlebot code to folow? |
| 20:53.37 | Noodleman | it's easy for me :-P |
| 20:53.49 | Patlabor221 | how bout for normal humans? |
| 20:53.50 | [STC]_creeperz | ~noodlebot |
| 20:53.51 | Noodlebot | Noodlebot is a Noodlebot, written by Noodleman. |
| 20:53.55 | Noodleman | nobody else has ever looked at my code, tho |
| 20:54.00 | Patlabor221 | or human based muttants? |
| 20:54.12 | [STC]_creeperz | I wanted to :( |
| 20:54.17 | Noodleman | if you know perl, it shouldn't be very hard |
| 20:54.30 | Patlabor221 | if/when you get it packed up I would like to see it. |
| 20:54.43 | Noodleman | as soon as i get it cleaned up, you guys will get a copy of it |
| 20:54.51 | [STC]_creeperz | Alrighty |
| 20:55.16 | Noodleman | you will have to learn the irc protocol still, probably |
| 20:55.23 | Noodleman | it's not difficult |
| 20:55.30 | Patlabor221 | I have looked at it |
| 20:55.37 | Patlabor221 | but I just never had an IRC class |
| 20:55.43 | Patlabor221 | or a tellnetclas |
| 20:56.03 | Patlabor221 | but more importantly, a way to log in to the user list server. |
| 20:56.20 | Patlabor221 | and list server |
| 20:56.50 | creeperz | Noodleman: Around when this week might you be back up? |
| 20:57.02 | Noodleman | hopefully |
| 20:57.16 | creeperz | Tomorrow? |
| 20:57.20 | creeperz | Friday? |
| 20:57.55 | Noodleman | i'm going to have to buy a slimline cd-rom drive, booting up the installer over pxe is too hard |
| 20:58.09 | Noodleman | so, it might be next week unless i can get one in town |
| 20:58.09 | creeperz | oh |
| 20:58.27 | Patlabor221 | like a laptop drive? |
| 20:59.09 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 20:59.19 | Noodleman | i don't know how similar they are tho |
| 20:59.27 | Noodleman | they might be the same for all i know |
| 20:59.36 | Patlabor221 | if they are I have some |
| 20:59.47 | Noodleman | got a picture? |
| 20:59.53 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 21:00.10 | creeperz | I'm going to play around with 3D modelers now. |
| 21:00.16 | Noodleman | i'll get a picture of the cd-rom drive i need to get |
| 21:00.17 | Patlabor221 | but I have some powerbook ones, and one that goes in a dell insperon laptop |
| 21:00.27 | creeperz | I'm going to see if I can conjure up some cash or something. |
| 21:00.27 | Patlabor221 | http://www.essencompu.com/nupplysingar.asp?ID=2709 |
| 21:00.31 | Patlabor221 | is that is? |
| 21:00.57 | Noodleman | that'd be it |
| 21:01.10 | Patlabor221 | I will look and see what I have tonight |
| 21:01.27 | Noodleman | ok, thx :-) |
| 21:01.36 | Patlabor221 | I think the powerbook ones look like that |
| 21:01.47 | Patlabor221 | the dell one is thicker, cus it has a flopy drive in it too. |
| 21:02.19 | Noodleman | are the powerbook ones the kind that don't have a tray, but that you just stick the cd in a slot? |
| 21:02.29 | Patlabor221 | no these have a tray |
| 21:02.33 | Noodleman | ah |
| 21:02.34 | Patlabor221 | I think |
| 21:02.38 | Noodleman | just curious :-) |
| 21:02.48 | Patlabor221 | Ive seen the slot ones |
| 21:02.53 | Patlabor221 | but I don't think we have any |
| 21:03.30 | creeperz | Uugh |
| 21:03.35 | Patlabor221 | but I will look thu the bins |
| 21:03.38 | creeperz | How do I make a triangle? |
| 21:03.45 | Patlabor221 | in what? |
| 21:03.50 | creeperz | OpenFX |
| 21:03.57 | Patlabor221 | never used it |
| 21:03.58 | creeperz | It's closed |
| 21:04.06 | creeperz | You've downloaded it once |
| 21:04.12 | Patlabor221 | usualy you select 3 points and hit a button |
| 21:04.17 | creeperz | Yes |
| 21:04.22 | Patlabor221 | or hit a button and slecct 3 points |
| 21:04.24 | creeperz | But it doesn't make them visual |
| 21:04.32 | creeperz | 3 points |
| 21:04.40 | creeperz | then you have to cross them or something |
| 21:04.47 | creeperz | It's all very confusing! |
| 21:04.52 | Patlabor221 | cross? |
| 21:05.00 | Patlabor221 | use milkshape it's kewl |
| 21:05.14 | creeperz | To make a square, you have to go diagnoly |
| 21:05.20 | creeperz | From pint to point |
| 21:05.23 | Patlabor221 | that would be 2 triangles |
| 21:05.26 | creeperz | Milkshape is freeware? |
| 21:05.33 | Patlabor221 | it's free for 30 days |
| 21:05.38 | Patlabor221 | then like 20$ |
| 21:05.40 | creeperz | Oh |
| 21:05.42 | creeperz | :-/ |
| 21:05.46 | Patlabor221 | realy cheap |
| 21:05.57 | creeperz | In which, I'm broke for the next 2 or 3 months |
| 21:06.13 | creeperz | My dad said he would pay me back ASAP...it's a bunch of BS |
| 21:06.19 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure you could find a way to make ti work. |
| 21:06.22 | Noodleman | i know what that's like |
| 21:06.33 | creeperz | Noodleman: Me? |
| 21:06.44 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 21:06.54 | creeperz | Your dad owes you money? |
| 21:07.06 | Noodleman | no, but it's happened |
| 21:07.11 | creeperz | Oh |
| 21:08.02 | creeperz | Pat: URL for milkshape? |
| 21:08.09 | captain_proton | google.com :P |
| 21:08.09 | creeperz | milkshape.com isn't it... |
| 21:08.13 | Patlabor221 | google |
| 21:08.18 | creeperz | Ok |
| 21:08.19 | creeperz | ? |
| 21:08.23 | creeperz | Search for it? |
| 21:08.34 | captain_proton | *ding ding ding ding8 |
| 21:08.35 | Patlabor221 | www.google.com is the magic URL |
| 21:08.45 | Patlabor221 | it works for every site. |
| 21:08.58 | creeperz | Even those w/o meta tags? |
| 21:09.09 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:09.10 | captain_proton | it doesn't use meta tags |
| 21:09.13 | captain_proton | it uses the text of the page |
| 21:09.16 | captain_proton | because meta tags suck |
| 21:09.19 | creeperz | Sweet! |
| 21:09.21 | Patlabor221 | it uses pigons |
| 21:09.28 | creeperz | Go, GOOGLE! |
| 21:09.30 | Noodleman | pigeons! |
| 21:09.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:09.39 | Patlabor221 | those too |
| 21:09.51 | creeperz | What about swallows? |
| 21:09.58 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 21:10.00 | captain_proton | nope |
| 21:10.03 | captain_proton | just pigeons |
| 21:10.08 | creeperz | ... |
| 21:10.10 | Noodleman | pigeons are kewler |
| 21:10.18 | Patlabor221 | http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html |
| 21:10.18 | creeperz | Monty Python and the Holy Grail |
| 21:10.24 | creeperz | Not a quote from it... |
| 21:10.29 | Patlabor221 | Why Google's patented PigeonRank™ works so well |
| 21:10.32 | creeperz | But almost related |
| 21:12.41 | Patlabor221 | I don't think pigeons and swallows are related that much |
| 21:12.47 | Patlabor221 | pigeons are REALY stupid. |
| 21:12.52 | creeperz | They're birds |
| 21:12.56 | creeperz | Heh |
| 21:13.00 | Patlabor221 | and people are monkeys |
| 21:13.08 | Patlabor221 | and people are REALY stupid. |
| 21:13.19 | creeperz | Monkeys are smart :-) |
| 21:13.23 | creeperz | But they eat fleas |
| 21:13.32 | Patlabor221 | what's wrong with fleas? |
| 21:13.45 | creeperz | Not the sexiest things ever! :-) |
| 21:13.51 | Patlabor221 | lots of good vitemens in fleas |
| 21:13.59 | Patlabor221 | good wholseome stuff |
| 21:14.06 | Patlabor221 | like marrow bone jelly |
| 21:14.18 | creeperz | Yum! |
| 21:14.26 | Patlabor221 | you eat things you want to have sex with? |
| 21:14.51 | bzdoug | sheesh |
| 21:15.05 | creeperz | After sex... |
| 21:15.13 | Patlabor221 | you ea black widow spiders after sex? |
| 21:15.18 | Patlabor221 | wierd man |
| 21:15.24 | creeperz | Tell me about it! |
| 21:15.41 | creeperz | Scoripions are good, too! |
| 21:16.21 | Patlabor221 | mmmm lain music |
| 21:16.34 | creeperz | lain music? |
| 21:16.38 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:16.40 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: send send! |
| 21:16.42 | Patlabor221 | lain rocks |
| 21:16.51 | creeperz | Anime? |
| 21:17.02 | captain_proton | lain is like anime squared |
| 21:17.07 | creeperz | Ahh |
| 21:17.23 | creeperz | I have that on my list of "To Be Had" things |
| 21:17.33 | captain_proton | none of this silly gundam or trigun stuff |
| 21:17.42 | Patlabor221 | http://bakadigital.com/darkmoor-noshare/anime/Serial%20Experiments%20Lain/ |
| 21:17.49 | captain_proton | just a sad little girl and the wired |
| 21:17.54 | Patlabor221 | not all gundam is bad |
| 21:18.00 | Patlabor221 | just some |
| 21:18.08 | creeperz | Password protected |
| 21:18.18 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: it still doesn't compare with lain |
| 21:18.24 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 21:18.45 | Patlabor221 | we watched lain for like 4 hours and still didn't know what was going on :) |
| 21:18.48 | Patlabor221 | was great |
| 21:19.18 | captain_proton | its hard to know whats going on until about the 8th episode |
| 21:19.21 | Patlabor221 | that's why I liked the .hack it has some very lain like qualitys |
| 21:21.21 | Patlabor221 | FLCL is good too, more wierd |
| 21:21.33 | Patlabor221 | but not as silly wierd as excell saga |
| 21:21.41 | Patlabor221 | writen by the guy who did evangelion |
| 21:22.03 | Patlabor221 | you mean the emergency food supply? |
| 21:22.07 | captain_proton | yup |
| 21:22.15 | Patlabor221 | you should watch FLCL |
| 21:22.19 | Patlabor221 | it's only 6 eps |
| 21:22.24 | Patlabor221 | and they are subed |
| 21:22.43 | captain_proton | i'll do so in two weeks once school is over |
| 21:22.59 | Patlabor221 | oooo finals must be comin up |
| 21:23.13 | creeperz | How do I manually draw? |
| 21:23.14 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 21:23.40 | Patlabor221 | good, when it's over you can help me get subtitled rips going so I can do Nuku Nuku :) |
| 21:23.51 | captain_proton | =) |
| 21:24.50 | creeperz | Pat: How do I draw points manually? |
| 21:25.08 | Patlabor221 | there is also a bunch of cowboybeebop music in there if you wan, it's good for ambient studdy music |
| 21:25.14 | Patlabor221 | in milkshape creep? |
| 21:25.15 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 21:25.16 | captain_proton | ok |
| 21:25.18 | creeperz | Yes |
| 21:25.40 | creeperz | Crap |
| 21:25.42 | Patlabor221 | usualy you don't make just points |
| 21:25.47 | creeperz | This is a surface modeler only? |
| 21:25.48 | Patlabor221 | you start with a box or something and tweak them |
| 21:26.05 | Patlabor221 | and then add more faces btweent those verts |
| 21:26.19 | creeperz | So ytou just can't up and place points? |
| 21:26.28 | Patlabor221 | I don't think so |
| 21:26.44 | Patlabor221 | it's not the most full featured editor but it has a decent interface |
| 21:26.50 | Patlabor221 | start with a box |
| 21:26.51 | creeperz | Yes |
| 21:26.53 | creeperz | I like it |
| 21:27.00 | Patlabor221 | it's good for beginers |
| 21:27.04 | creeperz | Yes |
| 21:27.07 | creeperz | Much-o |
| 21:27.12 | Patlabor221 | duhh |
| 21:27.12 | creeperz | And the price is nice |
| 21:27.19 | Noodleman | the best ambient study music is bach and vivaldi :-) |
| 21:27.21 | Patlabor221 | dude just click on the "VERTEX" button |
| 21:27.31 | Patlabor221 | and then click where you want the point |
| 21:27.43 | creeperz | And how do I connect them? |
| 21:27.49 | Noodleman | http://www.wcpe.org/ r0z0rz :-) |
| 21:28.05 | Patlabor221 | click on the face button |
| 21:28.10 | Patlabor221 | then click on 3 points |
| 21:28.16 | captain_proton | vivaldi? uffff |
| 21:28.25 | captain_proton | i prefer composers who used more than one theme in their entire life |
| 21:28.58 | Noodleman | i like studying while listening to baroque |
| 21:29.13 | Noodleman | those where the two baroque composers that came to mind |
| 21:30.09 | Noodleman | rennaisance choral is great, but not to study to |
| 21:30.24 | Noodleman | it captures your attention :-) |
| 21:30.27 | Patlabor221 | .hack is good coding music :) |
| 21:30.50 | Noodleman | baroque is great for anything that needs concentration |
| 21:34.41 | captain_proton | this piece of music is so sad... |
| 21:35.42 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/music/mumuki.mp3 |
| 21:36.24 | Patlabor221 | whoot, Crossfading menus are so cool |
| 21:36.38 | creeperz | You have? |
| 21:36.45 | creeperz | On Screamers or something? |
| 21:36.51 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:36.57 | creeperz | Sweet |
| 21:37.00 | Patlabor221 | finaly the return of a real menu manager |
| 21:37.06 | creeperz | :-) |
| 21:37.08 | Patlabor221 | need to try fly in/outs too |
| 21:37.17 | creeperz | Yes |
| 21:41.33 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you should merge and commit it |
| 21:46.35 | creeperz | BAH! |
| 21:46.44 | creeperz | I'm no good at making models |
| 21:46.58 | Patlabor221 | cap it dosn't have all the same controls yet |
| 21:47.23 | captain_proton | hm, ok |
| 21:47.42 | Patlabor221 | but it will soon |
| 21:49.17 | captain_proton | by "controls" i'm guessing you mean widgets? |
| 21:49.45 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:49.55 | Patlabor221 | just has start and exit now. |
| 21:50.04 | Patlabor221 | and a setings panel that has nothing |
| 21:50.12 | creeperz | How do I "tweak" a box? |
| 21:50.24 | Patlabor221 | select a vert and move it |
| 21:53.51 | Patlabor221 | and all the text is now real text, not images with the words on them :) |
| 21:57.18 | Patlabor221 | I should merge tho |
| 21:58.38 | Patlabor221 | wheeeee look at all the conficts :) |
| 21:59.21 | Patlabor221 | so we don't need the CCollideableObject anymore? |
| 22:00.07 | captain_proton | doesn't exist anymroe |
| 22:00.10 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 22:00.10 | captain_proton | for now |
| 22:00.27 | Patlabor221 | just making sure as I merge |
| 22:00.29 | captain_proton | i'll probably add something similar once ODE is a bit more wedged in |
| 22:00.46 | Patlabor221 | makes sense |
| 22:00.55 | bzdoug | http://www.feetman.com |
| 22:01.19 | Patlabor221 | and I will pull the coldet project from source :) |
| 22:01.47 | captain_proton | i deleted the directory in cvs |
| 22:01.57 | captain_proton | ohh you mean in the dsps |
| 22:02.33 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:02.37 | Patlabor221 | the dsp thingy |
| 22:03.04 | Patlabor221 | ohh and I have to change the set function :) |
| 22:05.05 | Noodleman | clueless lusers |
| 22:05.36 | Noodleman | they call up, and say that the error message is that the mail doesn't work |
| 22:16.30 | creeperz | BRB |
| 22:17.35 | captain_proton | Screamers/MenuPanels.cpp:93: no matching function for call to `CBasePanelItem:: |
| 22:17.35 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.20 | Patlabor221 | wtf |
| 22:18.54 | captain_proton | ah i see why |
| 22:20.26 | Patlabor221 | what I do? |
| 22:20.39 | captain_proton | just a gccism |
| 22:20.50 | captain_proton | doesn't like passing a temporary as a reference |
| 22:20.58 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 22:21.03 | Patlabor221 | should I not do that? |
| 22:21.37 | captain_proton | i'm fixing it |
| 22:21.49 | captain_proton | just creating a local variable and then passing that as the reference |
| 22:21.55 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 22:22.11 | Patlabor221 | I will do that from now on, cus I plan on doing it a lot |
| 22:22.21 | Patlabor221 | or I'll make a func that takes the 3 params |
| 22:22.52 | Chestal | temporaries can only be bound to const references |
| 22:23.16 | Patlabor221 | hmmm they shoul be const in the cases where I 'm using them |
| 22:23.22 | Patlabor221 | I should make them so |
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| 22:26.15 | Noodlebot | luser alert! |
| 22:31.28 | Patlabor221 | cap would it be more happy if it was a const? |
| 22:32.05 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: not sure |
| 22:32.19 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: where are the pages defined? you have a typo - "Setings" |
| 22:32.57 | Patlabor221 | right now in MenuPanels.cpp void CMenuManager::LoadPanels ( void ) |
| 22:33.42 | captain_proton | eh, i'll just let you fix it |
| 22:33.47 | Patlabor221 | I just fixed it |
| 22:37.54 | Patlabor221 | there all constified |
| 22:39.41 | Noodlebot | luser ia gone! |
| 22:39.48 | creeperz | Heh |
| 22:39.50 | bzdoug | lol |
| 22:39.50 | Noodleman | is* |
| 22:39.57 | Patlabor221 | you don't want to say who the luser is? |
| 22:40.07 | creeperz | LTD* is gone! |
| 22:40.13 | Noodleman | the one that left just before Noodlebot said that |
| 22:40.15 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 22:40.17 | Patlabor221 | I know who it is |
| 22:40.33 | Patlabor221 | but what if multiple people leave at the same time |
| 22:40.48 | Patlabor221 | what if there is a loozer convention or someting |
| 22:40.56 | Noodleman | it will alert for all of them |
| 22:41.03 | creeperz | Mr? |
| 22:41.04 | Noodleman | when i add the code |
| 22:41.08 | creeperz | Me* |
| 22:41.21 | Noodleman | i've been doing luser alerts manually right now :-) |
| 22:41.31 | Noodleman | no, you aren't a luser |
| 22:41.32 | creeperz | Heh |
| 22:41.34 | Patlabor221 | ooooooo |
| 22:41.35 | creeperz | Oh |
| 22:41.35 | Patlabor221 | got it |
| 22:41.43 | Patlabor221 | thought you had hooked it up |
| 22:42.25 | Noodleman | Noodlebot uses an event loop, so it looks at everything that is said on the channel |
| 22:42.39 | Noodleman | and it logs everything too |
| 22:42.41 | bzdoug | cool |
| 22:42.45 | creeperz | Heh |
| 22:42.48 | creeperz | Sweet! |
| 22:42.55 | bzdoug | I guess |
| 22:42.55 | Patlabor221 | it get an event on each thing typed? |
| 22:43.01 | Noodleman | yup |
| 22:43.23 | Noodleman | it just sits there quietly for most things tho |
| 22:43.30 | Patlabor221 | is there a way to call C++ code from perl? |
| 22:43.34 | Noodleman | after logging it to a file |
| 22:43.45 | Patlabor221 | noodlebot: get jiggy with it. |
| 22:43.45 | Noodlebot | Aint I smart? |
| 22:43.53 | Noodleman | you have to compile the code first |
| 22:44.02 | Noodleman | but you can call C++ code form perl :-) |
| 22:44.05 | Patlabor221 | yes I gatherd that :) |
| 22:44.25 | Patlabor221 | do you have to export the classes and functions or will it take the c headers? |
| 22:44.30 | Noodleman | you can embed the perl interpreter into a C program |
| 22:44.38 | Noodleman | dunno about C++ |
| 22:44.47 | Noodleman | i don't know |
| 22:44.58 | Patlabor221 | actualy I want to make a compoenent in C++ and have the script be able to call it. |
| 22:45.04 | Patlabor221 | that would be cool |
| 22:45.24 | Noodleman | what component? |
| 22:45.31 | bzdoug | I would rather have a bot that can program in C++ |
| 22:45.36 | Noodleman | haha |
| 22:45.42 | Patlabor221 | like something that would log into a list serv and get info. |
| 22:45.51 | Patlabor221 | but be able to use the existing C++ network code |
| 22:46.02 | Patlabor221 | instead of having to reimplement the code in perl |
| 22:46.48 | bzdoug | Noodlebot: you need to make it so when I go: Noodleman? it would put out a factoid that it matches |
| 22:46.51 | bzdoug | bleh |
| 22:46.57 | bzdoug | Noodleman even |
| 22:47.24 | Patlabor221 | you would want that to be in adressable mode |
| 22:47.31 | bzdoug | so someone goes anyone here use C++ and Noodlebot would reply back: no, bzflag is made in basic and fortran |
| 22:47.55 | Patlabor221 | it would triger too many times accedently |
| 22:48.05 | Patlabor221 | like if I said : Baka? |
| 22:48.10 | Patlabor221 | it woudl jsut call you an idiot :) |
| 22:48.20 | bzdoug | it would have to have a ? on the end |
| 22:48.32 | Patlabor221 | still I think that would triger too much |
| 22:48.37 | Patlabor221 | ibot could do that now |
| 22:48.37 | | Patlabor221: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 22:48.43 | bzdoug | heh |
| 22:48.47 | Patlabor221 | ~who is your daddy? |
| 22:48.48 | | YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 22:49.03 | Patlabor221 | he would triger that with out the ~ |
| 22:49.41 | Patlabor221 | it could get anoying |
| 22:49.49 | Patlabor221 | remember when we kept having to tell ibot to shut up |
| 22:49.54 | bzdoug | how about having it as an option in the faction, so if the faction has somehting like: someting is something//p then it wouldnt call it |
| 22:49.59 | bzdoug | yea |
| 22:50.01 | bzdoug | ~shut up |
| 22:50.02 | | sugar cyborg ah |
| 22:50.25 | bzdoug | actully, I think ibot is triggerable.. |
| 22:50.27 | bzdoug | ~wake up |
| 22:50.30 | Patlabor221 | it would serve no real use tho doug, it would just be silly, then anoying |
| 22:50.47 | bzdoug | hmm, must have been in the old ibot |
| 22:50.55 | Chestal | ~sleep |
| 22:50.56 | | just a cheap substitute for caffeine. |
| 22:51.01 | Patlabor221 | so is all you want to use the bot for is verbaly breating people and making fun of them |
| 22:51.17 | bzdoug | lol |
| 22:53.35 | Patlabor221 | I'll take that as a confimation then |
| 23:00.23 | Noodleman | the old ibot you could tell to leave the channel |
| 23:00.29 | Noodleman | ibot, leave |
| 23:00.29 | | Noodleman: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:03.48 | TimRiker | Noodleman: yep. that would be nice to have back. I think I can kick him and invite him back. (I'm not an ibot admin from here) |
| 23:03.56 | *** kick/#BZFlag [ibot!~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com] by TimRiker (TimRiker) |
| 23:03.56 | *** join/#bzflag ibot (ibot@208.186.182.172) |
| 23:03.56 | *** topic/#bzflag is Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (temporarily down, ETA in May) | http://www.bezee.de/serverinfo.php Works for a temp solution |
| 23:03.56 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 23:04.04 | TimRiker | nope. he rejoins |
| 23:04.46 | Noodleman | have you seen what Noodlebot does when it gets kicked? |
| 23:05.02 | *** kick/#bzflag [Noodlebot!~jeffm@208.48.199.214] by Patlabor221 (Patlabor221) |
| 23:05.02 | *** join/#bzflag Noodlebot (~noodlebot@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 23:05.02 | Noodlebot | Patlabor221: :-P |
| 23:05.23 | *** kick/#BZFlag [Noodlebot!~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com] by TimRiker (TimRiker) |
| 23:05.24 | *** join/#bzflag Noodlebot (~noodlebot@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 23:05.24 | Noodlebot | TimRiker: :-P |
| 23:05.30 | TimRiker | heh |
| 23:05.40 | Patlabor221 | kick ban works tho :) |
| 23:05.46 | Patlabor221 | kills multiple noodles |
| 23:05.46 | TimRiker | of course |
| 23:06.14 | Patlabor221 | he could have made a smart bot that has a proxy list :0 |
| 23:06.31 | Noodleman | oh, that wouldn't be too hard ;-) |
| 23:06.45 | Patlabor221 | not realy |
| 23:06.55 | TimRiker | a port scanning bot? |
| 23:06.55 | Patlabor221 | then just have to add him to the akick list |
| 23:07.36 | TimRiker | first Noodlebot, then NotNoodlebot, then SomeOtherBot, then ... nick changing. ;-) |
| 23:07.45 | Patlabor221 | woudln't even have to port scan, just take a proxy list. |
| 23:07.53 | Patlabor221 | that would be a smart freakin bot |
| 23:08.03 | Patlabor221 | bet the flood bots do that. |
| 23:08.04 | TimRiker | again, a list would do. |
| 23:08.38 | Patlabor221 | so ibot is in perl too? |
| 23:08.45 | TimRiker | yep |
| 23:09.12 | Patlabor221 | too many scrip langs start with p |
| 23:09.12 | TimRiker | ~blootbot |
| 23:09.13 | | from memory, blootbot is is a SF project. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:09.20 | Patlabor221 | python is another lang right? |
| 23:09.36 | TimRiker | uh, yeah. and pascal too. |
| 23:09.40 | Patlabor221 | and then there is the php lang |
| 23:09.47 | Patlabor221 | pascal, I know :)( |
| 23:09.50 | Patlabor221 | well used to know |
| 23:09.52 | Patlabor221 | back in the day |
| 23:10.31 | Patlabor221 | is python better or cooler then perl? |
| 23:10.39 | captain_proton | yes |
| 23:10.42 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 23:10.49 | Patlabor221 | will it do the same type of stuff? |
| 23:11.03 | TimRiker | Prolog, PL/1, PostScript, ... |
| 23:11.08 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 23:11.16 | Patlabor221 | see P is the magic letter |
| 23:11.20 | Chestal | Pike |
| 23:12.23 | Patlabor221 | noodleman you should make a moobot in that moo language. |
| 23:12.25 | TimRiker | Python forces formatting, so it's usually cleaner to read than perl. |
| 23:12.39 | Noodleman | Patlabor221: hehe |
| 23:13.05 | Noodleman | does it do sockets? |
| 23:13.08 | TimRiker | Perl has a ton of community code available |
| 23:13.08 | Patlabor221 | I should probably learn on of those at some point :) |
| 23:13.24 | Noodleman | i prefer perl |
| 23:13.41 | captain_proton | i like python for a couple reasons |
| 23:13.48 | captain_proton | (a) its almost impossible to write messy code |
| 23:13.51 | Patlabor221 | what is the lang in php? it looks C like, is it it's own, or based on perl or python? |
| 23:13.53 | TimRiker | there are ssl/html/xml/http/ftp/etc modules for python. |
| 23:13.54 | captain_proton | (b) it has OO done right |
| 23:14.36 | TimRiker | I was under the impression that pgp started with perl and then did a rewrite. |
| 23:14.40 | TimRiker | er php |
| 23:14.48 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 23:14.59 | Patlabor221 | I figured one of the p's meant ether python or perl |
| 23:15.18 | Patlabor221 | and I seem to recall hearing the perl thing too |
| 23:15.23 | TimRiker | yep... http://php.lamphost.net/manual/en/history.php |
| 23:15.26 | captain_proton | originally it was 'hpp' for hypertext preprocessor, but it got rearranged |
| 23:15.36 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 23:15.46 | Noodleman | does the mOO language do sockets? |
| 23:16.06 | Patlabor221 | probalby cus of all the c++ hpp files. |
| 23:16.20 | Patlabor221 | you had the link to the m00 lang |
| 23:16.27 | Patlabor221 | was it compiled or interpreted? |
| 23:28.26 | Noodleman | i think it was interpreted |
| 23:29.22 | Noodleman | but i'm pretty sure it doesn't do sockets, so i wouldn't be able to figure out how to write an irc client in mOO |
| 23:30.21 | *** join/#bzflag larsl (~larsl@c213-100-62-39.swipnet.se) |
| 23:31.07 | captain_proton | whoa |
| 23:31.11 | captain_proton | guess who i just got an email from |
| 23:31.13 | captain_proton | nuum |
| 23:36.58 | Chestal | he's still alive? |
| 23:37.05 | captain_proton | apparently |
| 23:38.34 | Chestal | but he does not flag anymore? |
| 23:39.28 | captain_proton | he was saying he wanted to play a bit but was having some weird keyboard bug |
| 23:45.43 | Patlabor221 | what is roman numeral WXII in nomral notation? |
| 23:46.11 | Patlabor221 | ir is it even roman numerals? |
| 23:48.54 | Noodleman | WXII? |
| 23:49.03 | Noodleman | there is no W in roman numerals |
| 23:49.04 | Patlabor221 | well WXIII |
| 23:49.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah I didn't think so |
| 23:49.21 | Noodleman | there's M |
