irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030508

`00:04.00`	`Noodleman`	`microsoft has some newsgroups, they might know if there are some irc channels available`
`00:04.08`	`Noodleman`	`microsoft.*`
`00:06.24`	`bzgirl`	`hmm..ok thanks Noodleman`
`00:06.39`	`Patlabor221`	`what help you need?`
`00:10.22`	`bzgirl`	`its in a freinds small bizness, she has win 2000 pro on one workstation (new installed) and win98 on all others, 2000 can read and write to any shared foleder on the win98 pc's but no one can access the win 2000 shared stuff (asks for password) but we can see win 2000 in net neigborhood`
`00:11.09`	`bzgirl`	`we give the password of the user logged into win 2000, but it rejects it`
`00:14.45`	`*** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-118-205.hispeed.ch)`
`00:29.42`	`Patlabor221`	`that is a common problem`
`00:29.49`	`Patlabor221`	`make sure netbios is on allt he machines`
`00:30.04`	`Patlabor221`	`2k chaned the networking kernel and the 98's hate it`
`00:30.21`	`Patlabor221`	`usualy IP and netbios take care of it`
`00:30.33`	`Patlabor221`	`the 98 machiens don't know how to do the TCP/IP only networking.`
`00:31.14`	`Patlabor221`	`there is also a "simple" method that you can turn on in user permisions. that will let the 98 machiens send plain text passwords`
`00:33.29`	`bzgirl`	`ahh ok thanks, so netbios i can add as a protocol right?`
`00:34.16`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`00:34.18`	`Patlabor221`	`and ipx`
`00:35.12`	`bzgirl`	`thanks will try it tommorow`
`01:25.03`	`*** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca)`
`01:29.23`	`*** join/#bzflag michaelh20 (mhoffman@191-145.dynamic.visi.com)`
`02:04.01`	`*** join/#bzflag michaelh2 (Mouse@208.42.191.145)`
`02:04.30`	`michaelh2`	`the compiler is whining about not being able to find X11/Xlib.h`
`02:04.41`	`michaelh2`	`Am I missing some funky symbolic link?`
`02:05.00`	`michaelh2`	`I found the file in some x-486-CLIBRARYSOMETHINGHERE directory`
`02:05.47`	`michaelh2`	`WAKEY! WAKEY!`
`02:06.14`	`dougheckaa`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:06.22`	`michaelh2`	`awwwwwww mannnnnnnn`
`02:06.27`	`michaelh2`	`some help you are :)`
`02:06.41`	`dougheckaa`	`I dont use xfree`
`02:06.47`	`dougheckaa`	`I use opie!! :)`
`02:07.10`	`michaelh2`	`?`
`02:07.39`	`michaelh2`	`is that like opium?`
`02:07.53`	`dougheckaa`	`its something other than xfree`
`02:08.09`	`michaelh2`	`yes well I'm having issues even with using xfree :)`
`02:08.44`	`dougheckaa`	`exept it runs on PDAs only`
`02:08.51`	`michaelh2`	`well duh`
`02:09.00`	`michaelh2`	`You run bz on your pda?`
`02:09.03`	`dougheckaa`	`no`
`02:09.07`	`dougheckaa`	`no 3d stuff init`
`02:09.15`	`michaelh2`	`how sad`
`02:09.50`	`michaelh2`	`should call up ATT and complain that M-Mode doesn't run bzflag.... :)`
`02:32.15`	`*** join/#bzflag Noodleman_ (~tuckerm@216.228.183.148)`
`02:32.16`	`Noodleman_`	`moo`
`02:32.28`	`dougheckaa`	`bash is great`
`02:32.47`	`Noodleman_`	`hehe`
`02:32.51`	`Noodleman_`	`could be better`
`02:32.54`	`dougheckaa`	`nah`
`02:33.04`	`Noodleman_`	`needs to be faster`
`02:35.23`	`Noodleman_`	`who is 64.156.198.75?`
`02:35.34`	`dougheckaa`	`dunno`
`02:35.40`	`dougheckaa`	`~nslookup 64.156.198.75`
`02:36.26`	`Noodleman_`	`yeah, i did that`
`02:36.32`	`Noodleman_`	`but who is it? :-)`
`02:37.19`	`dougheckaa`	`dunno`
`02:37.22`	`dougheckaa`	`you tell me`
`02:38.25`	`Noodleman_`	`man, phpmyadmin is kewl :-)`
`02:38.32`	`dougheckaa`	`lol`
`02:45.28`	`Noodleman_`	`stupid 128k upstream`
`02:45.45`	`dougheckaa`	`heh`
`02:46.06`	`Noodleman_`	`it's gunna take 2 whole hours to upload those files i saved off of the previous noodleroni machine`
`02:46.10`	`dougheckaa`	`hehe`
`02:46.59`	`Noodleman_`	`and until then, ssh is unusable :-(`
`02:47.06`	`dougheckaa`	`ick`
`02:49.12`	`*** join/#bzflag Noodleman_telnet (~noodle@procyon.penguinstalon.com)`
`02:49.27`	`dougheckaa`	`ghaha`
`02:49.41`	`Noodleman_`	`ok, they've taken the ban off of noodleroni :-)`
`02:49.52`	`dougheckaa`	`ban?`
`02:50.00`	`Noodleman_`	`just because Noodlebot was misbehaving in the past`
`02:50.04`	`Noodleman_`	`:'(`
`02:50.06`	`dougheckaa`	`hehe`
`02:50.09`	`Noodleman_`	`hehe`
`02:52.24`	`dougheckaa`	`scp is soo cool`
`02:52.24`	`dougheckaa`	`:)`
`02:52.31`	`Noodleman_`	`yes`
`02:52.44`	`dougheckaa`	`I just wrote my first bash script`
`02:52.45`	`Noodleman_`	`what do you want your login to be on noodleroni?`
`02:53.05`	`dougheckaa`	`um`
`02:53.10`	`dougheckaa`	`doughecka I suppose`
`02:53.11`	`dougheckaa`	`:)`
`02:53.16`	`captain_proton`	`WELSHIE!!`
`02:53.29`	`dougheckaa`	`welshie?`
`02:53.33`	`captain_proton`	`yep`
`02:53.47`	`Noodleman_`	`what's welshie?`
`02:54.19`	`Noodleman_`	`suuuuure i do :-)`
`02:55.43`	`captain_proton`	`Noodleman_: its from the star trek futurama episode`
`02:58.35`	`*** join/#bzflag bzfrank (~chatzilla@p509183F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)`
`02:58.43`	`bzfrank`	`re`
`02:58.44`	`dougheckaa`	`hey hey hey bzfrank`
`02:58.56`	`bzfrank`	`you live in IRC, right? ;)`
`02:59.09`	`dougheckaa`	`no, I have a life.... really`
`02:59.30`	`Noodleman_`	`we aren't sure :-)`
`03:00.41`	`bzfrank`	`at least you are here all the time... eg`
`03:01.08`	`dougheckaa`	`true..`
`03:01.19`	`dougheckaa`	`my life IS irc! :)`
`03:16.54`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-67-115-246-20.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
`03:16.55`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ`
`03:17.21`	`dougheckaa`	`'lo`
`03:18.33`	`Patlabor221`	`and the demon smiled sadly, for it had found that what it seeks.`
`03:18.47`	`dougheckaa`	`food?`
`03:18.58`	`Patlabor221`	`not exactly\`
`03:28.14`	`Noodleman_`	`my sites should be back up shortly :-)`
`03:28.22`	`dougheckaa`	`cool`
`03:28.40`	`Noodleman_`	`in the process of copying over old homedirs`
`03:29.20`	`Noodleman_`	`already, the mail system and stuff is back up`
`03:29.28`	`dougheckaa`	`heh`
`03:29.38`	`Noodleman_`	`http://webmail.noodleroni.com/`
`03:29.40`	`Noodleman_`	`:-)`
`03:29.45`	`dougheckaa`	`oooh`
`03:29.49`	`dougheckaa`	`impressive! :P`
`03:29.54`	`Noodleman_`	`hehe`
`03:30.05`	`Noodleman_`	`try it`
`03:30.06`	`dougheckaa`	`its spinning its wheels`
`03:30.13`	`dougheckaa`	`not going anywhere`
`03:30.19`	`dougheckaa`	`oh`
`03:30.23`	`dougheckaa`	`securty`
`03:30.32`	`Noodleman_`	`just click thru that`
`03:30.37`	`dougheckaa`	`cooool`
`03:30.38`	`dougheckaa`	`:)`
`03:30.45`	`Noodleman_`	`i don't have any money for a real cert :-)`
`03:30.59`	`dougheckaa`	`haha`
`03:31.07`	`Patlabor221`	`how much does a cert cost?`
`03:31.10`	`dougheckaa`	`yay`
`03:31.12`	`dougheckaa`	`that was fast`
`03:31.13`	`Patlabor221`	`and who registers them?`
`03:31.13`	`Noodleman_`	`although, that IS a real cert, it's just signed by me`
`03:31.19`	`dougheckaa`	`sent an email, and I got it`
`03:31.27`	`Noodleman_`	`verisign does, and it's about $150 for a year`
`03:31.32`	`Noodleman_`	`i think`
`03:31.34`	`dougheckaa`	`ouch`
`03:31.44`	`Patlabor221`	`verisign blows goats`
`03:31.51`	`Noodleman_`	`yes`
`03:32.05`	`dougheckaa`	`:)(`
`03:32.48`	`Noodleman_`	`gee, i'm going to be uploading all night it seems :-\`
`03:32.54`	`dougheckaa`	`lol`
`03:33.44`	`Noodleman_`	`qmail ruulz sendmail and postfix :-)`
`03:33.49`	`Noodleman_`	`uh-oh, there i go again`
`03:33.51`	`Noodleman_`	`:-)`
`03:33.55`	`dougheckaa`	`lol`
`03:37.43`	`Patlabor221`	`how are you going to admin RifleSaber Inc. LLC if you can't use qmail?`
`03:38.42`	`Patlabor221`	`since all servers will be using Amigas`
`03:39.03`	`dougheckaa`	`um?`
`03:39.27`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm not`
`03:39.41`	`dougheckaa`	`so why are they gonna be running on amigas?`
`03:39.50`	`Patlabor221`	`for shits and giggles`
`03:39.54`	`Noodleman_`	`you're gunna have a hard time finding an admin that can do amigas :-)`
`03:40.00`	`Patlabor221`	`and so the admin will have something to do`
`03:40.05`	`Patlabor221`	`you will be the admin`
`03:40.12`	`dougheckaa`	`lol`
`03:40.16`	`Noodleman_`	`hehe`
`03:40.31`	`Patlabor221`	`are you saying oyu can't do it?`
`03:40.56`	`Patlabor221`	`they are runing 68020s`
`03:41.05`	`Noodleman_`	`linux can do that`
`03:41.20`	`Patlabor221`	`and don't have hard drives`
`03:41.26`	`dougheckaa`	`well....`
`03:41.29`	`Noodleman_`	`linux can do just about every architecture`
`03:41.31`	`dougheckaa`	`they need stuff like thayt`
`03:41.36`	`dougheckaa`	`how much ram?`
`03:41.53`	`Patlabor221`	`I think some have a lot`
`03:41.55`	`Patlabor221`	`like 8 megs`
`03:41.59`	`dougheckaa`	`wow`
`03:42.06`	`dougheckaa`	`screeming systems arnt they?`
`03:42.15`	`Noodleman_`	`gee`
`03:42.26`	`Patlabor221`	`put them in a beowoulf cluster`
`03:42.27`	`Noodleman_`	`what if /. carried the story?`
`03:42.39`	`Patlabor221`	`headed up by an xbox :)`
`03:42.57`	`Noodleman_`	`well, we could do a cluster if openmosix will work on an amiga`
`03:42.59`	`dougheckaa`	`haha`
`03:43.07`	`Noodleman_`	`haha`
`03:43.10`	`Noodleman_`	`hehe`
`03:43.13`	`Noodleman_`	`hoohoo`
`03:43.14`	`Patlabor221`	`tho if I can't get the amigas it would have to be plan b`
`03:43.17`	`Noodleman_`	`hihi`
`03:43.24`	`Patlabor221`	`32 atari 2800s`
`03:43.36`	`Noodleman_`	`oh, the humanity!`
`03:43.46`	`Patlabor221`	`all with combat`
`03:44.03`	`Patlabor221`	`and padle controlers`
`03:45.10`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh no I just pulled that outa my butt`
`03:45.32`	`dougheckaa`	`oh`
`03:45.41`	`Patlabor221`	`in reality I would get one of those cool zenon thingys in a big ol case with a door on the front`
`03:46.03`	`Jormungandr`	`I got my new lens today`
`03:46.07`	`dougheckaa`	`lol`
`03:46.10`	`Jormungandr`	`28-200 canon USM`
`03:46.11`	`dougheckaa`	`cool`
`03:46.12`	`Patlabor221`	`so can you actualy take pictures?`
`03:46.15`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`03:46.17`	`dougheckaa`	`lol`
`03:46.21`	`Jormungandr`	`I can take more pictures.`
`03:46.29`	`Jormungandr`	`I'm not limited by a huge zoom with no wide angle.`
`03:46.30`	`dougheckaa`	`he could take pictures, they where only fuzzy`
`03:46.33`	`Patlabor221`	`how is it working out?`
`03:46.46`	`Jormungandr`	`it's a great camera.`
`03:46.51`	`Jormungandr`	`I took a bunch at the zoo.`
`03:47.06`	`Patlabor221`	`lions and tigers and bears`
`03:47.17`	`dougheckaa`	`lol`
`03:47.35`	`Jormungandr`	`http://www.dragon.org/mandrake/IMG_0328.jpg`
`03:47.40`	`Jormungandr`	`ooops`
`03:47.41`	`Jormungandr`	`that's wrong`
`03:47.47`	`Jormungandr`	`hrm.`
`03:47.55`	`Jormungandr`	`http://www.sacredcup.org/frcameron/gallery/africa/africa-Pages/Image81.html`
`03:47.57`	`Jormungandr`	`there`
`03:48.16`	`Jormungandr`	`still the 0328 is a cool image anyway.`
`03:48.20`	`dougheckaa`	`wow`
`03:48.21`	`Jormungandr`	`gotta get better DOF on it.`
`03:49.06`	`Patlabor221`	`nice pict`
`03:49.15`	`Patlabor221`	`would be cooler with no flies :)`
`03:49.22`	`dougheckaa`	`lol`
`03:49.46`	`Jormungandr`	`and a nice snow leopard. http://www.sacredcup.org/frcameron/gallery/africa/africa-Pages/Image104.html`
`03:50.11`	`Jormungandr`	`too many fences though.`
`03:50.16`	`Jormungandr`	`hard to take good pics through fences.`
`03:50.23`	`dougheckaa`	`indeed`
`03:51.21`	`Jormungandr`	`http://www.sacredcup.org/frcameron/gallery/africa/africa-Pages/Image104.html I love turtles. this is a desert tortoise`
`03:51.40`	`dougheckaa`	`same image`
`03:51.52`	`Jormungandr`	`oops`
`03:51.59`	`dougheckaa`	`:)`
`03:52.17`	`Jormungandr`	`http://www.sacredcup.org/frcameron/gallery/africa/africa-Pages/Image195.html`
`03:52.18`	`Jormungandr`	`there`
`03:52.37`	`dougheckaa`	`neato lense`
`03:52.37`	`dougheckaa`	`:)`
`03:52.48`	`dougheckaa`	`lens`
`03:53.08`	`Jormungandr`	`it's a great lens. that's the canon 75-300 USM`
`03:53.23`	`dougheckaa`	`heh`
`03:53.40`	`Jormungandr`	`tomorrow I am shooting with my new lens mostly... it has a shorter minimum focus distance. 1.5'`
`03:53.49`	`Jormungandr`	`the other is minimum of 4.5'`
`03:53.55`	`dougheckaa`	`hm`
`03:54.42`	`Jormungandr`	`anyway.. off to relax. later all.`
`03:55.57`	`dougheckaa`	`cya`
`04:10.20`	`Patlabor221`	`Sigh when will people learn that you can never trust humans`
`04:10.40`	`dougheckaa`	`you can trust humans?`
`04:11.15`	`Patlabor221`	`never`
`04:11.27`	`Patlabor221`	`"your clients can deceve you, don't trust them"`
`04:11.32`	`dougheckaa`	`lol`
`04:12.56`	`Patlabor221`	`Obi-Wan should have been a server admin`
`04:14.33`	`Noodleman_`	`why?`
`04:14.51`	`dougheckaa`	`jedi, young apprentice`
`04:15.00`	`Patlabor221`	`cus he was wise n' all that`
`04:15.04`	`Patlabor221`	`he was down with the force`
`04:15.18`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm thinking the force was just the internet there`
`04:15.31`	`Patlabor221`	`and he had like a hiptop or something`
`04:15.33`	`Noodleman_`	`we need to use the force against the spammers :-)`
`04:15.37`	`dougheckaa`	`hah`
`04:15.48`	`Patlabor221`	`the spamers use the force too`
`04:15.52`	`Patlabor221`	`just for evil`
`04:15.55`	`Patlabor221`	`they are the dark side`
`04:16.19`	`Patlabor221`	`the death star is just this REALY big SMTP relay`
`04:16.26`	`Patlabor221`	`with about 10 OC48s`
`04:16.27`	`Noodleman_`	`hehe`
`04:16.55`	`Patlabor221`	`"I sense a hostname, that I haven't sensed in a long long time"`
`04:17.04`	`Patlabor221`	`"there is a disturbance in the force"`
`04:17.27`	`dougheckaa`	`"vader breathing grows louder"`
`04:17.30`	`dougheckaa`	`hm`
`04:17.32`	`Patlabor221`	`wasn't there somethign where you could replace "the force" with "my pants"`
`04:17.44`	`dougheckaa`	`its 12:17`
`04:17.45`	`Noodleman_`	`ha`
`04:17.50`	`Patlabor221`	`or "the pants"`
`04:17.56`	`Patlabor221`	`May the pants be with you.`
`04:18.06`	`dougheckaa`	`may my pants be with you`
`04:18.07`	`Patlabor221`	`Search your pants, you know it to be true`
`04:18.24`	`Patlabor221`	`"the pants are stong with this one"`
`04:18.37`	`dougheckaa`	`hmm, much to learn about my pants`
`04:18.40`	`Patlabor221`	`I sense a disturbance in my pants`
`04:18.45`	`dougheckaa`	`lol`
`04:18.54`	`Patlabor221`	`never underestimate the power of the dark side of my pants`
`04:19.09`	`Noodleman_`	`i'm having a hard time stifling my laughter`
`04:19.13`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`04:19.14`	`Noodleman_`	`serious`
`04:19.21`	`captain_proton`	`people smoking highly legal substances outside my window\`
`04:19.23`	`Noodleman_`	`:-)`
`04:19.29`	`dougheckaa`	`captain_proton: get ur shotgun out`
`04:19.30`	`Patlabor221`	`I want to learn the ways of my pants and become a jedi like my father.`
`04:20.17`	`Patlabor221`	`I find your lack of pants disturbing." --Darth Vader`
`04:20.24`	`captain_proton`	`dougheckaa: unlike you, i don't live in a hick redneck state`
`04:20.25`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.favorites.com/~bailey/pants.html`
`04:20.29`	`Noodleman_`	`lol`
`04:20.56`	`Patlabor221`	`"No! Alderaan is peaceful, we have no pants!" --Leia`
`04:21.09`	`Patlabor221`	`"I used to bulls-eye womp-rats in my pants back home." --Luke`
`04:21.12`	`Noodleman_`	`http://www.2khappyware.com/order/ <- dirt cheap macs`
`04:21.14`	`dougheckaa`	`"Commander, tear this ship apart until you've found those pants, and bring me the passengers, I want them alive!" --Darth Vader`
`04:21.26`	`Patlabor221`	`"I cannot teach him. The boy has no pants." --Yoda`
`04:21.36`	`Patlabor221`	`Your pants, you will not need them." --Yoda`
`04:22.26`	`dougheckaa`	`"Always two pant legs there are. No more, no less." --Yoda`
`04:23.28`	`dougheckaa`	`"This is where Chancellor Valorum's pants will disappear." --Senator Palpatine`
`04:23.33`	`Patlabor221`	`ep 1 sucked`
`04:23.45`	`Patlabor221`	`like more then most things coudl eve suck`
`04:23.59`	`dougheckaa`	`someone should redub ep 1 with pants in the right spots`
`04:24.35`	`Patlabor221`	`sick freak`
`04:26.31`	`Noodleman_`	`he's a sick freak, but we put up with him anyway :-)`
`04:26.57`	`Patlabor221`	`he's a controlable sick freak`
`04:27.24`	`Noodleman_`	`heh`
`04:27.31`	`Patlabor221`	`that's even worse`
`04:27.34`	`*** kick/#bzflag [dougheckaa!~blardebla@aden2-136-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU] by captain_proton (no, we don't put up with him)`
`04:27.35`	`*** join/#bzflag dougheckaa (WOZNIAK@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net)`
`04:27.49`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't think he knows what other things freak can mean.`
`04:30.39`	`Patlabor221`	`methinks its time for more boingo`
`04:30.44`	`Noodleman_`	`that's not cricket :-)`
`04:31.02`	`Patlabor221`	`cricket?`
`04:31.19`	`Noodleman_`	`it's fruity british slang`
`04:31.26`	`Patlabor221`	`for?`
`04:31.27`	`Noodleman_`	`it's not fair`
`04:31.36`	`Patlabor221`	`boingo is not fair?`
`04:31.45`	`Noodleman_`	`the akick list :-)`
`04:31.52`	`Patlabor221`	`akick rocks`
`04:31.57`	`Noodleman_`	`hehe`
`04:32.05`	`Patlabor221`	`it's allready been done`
`04:33.44`	`Noodleman_`	`time for f00die :-)`
`04:33.57`	`Patlabor221`	`aaaaarggg.. I don't know what is worse, crap anger rap, or the fact that I know the words to the crap anger rap`
`04:35.23`	`Patlabor221`	`"with a pourposefull grimmice, and a terible sounds, he pulls the spinning high tension wires down"`
`04:35.58`	`Patlabor221`	`this is the best blue oyster cult song EVER`
`04:50.00`	`Noodleman_`	`belch`
`05:03.34`	`captain_proton`	`gah`
`05:03.40`	`captain_proton`	`spirals is such a fucking bad map`
`05:03.44`	`captain_proton`	`why do so many servers run it`
`05:08.03`	`Patlabor221`	`lack of good maps most likely`
`05:20.30`	`captain_proton`	`but there aren't`
`05:20.37`	`captain_proton`	`there are a number of great maps`
`05:20.45`	`captain_proton`	`decks, d46, ballpark`
`05:20.55`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe doug got a publisit`
`05:50.58`	`captain_proton`	`you mean kim and carl are....`
`05:50.59`	`captain_proton`	`clock`
`05:53.55`	`captain_proton`	`tell it to the xmas bunny, kid`
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`05:58.30`	`Patlabor221`	`wh00t, apernaly beer + fritos trigers epifanys`
`05:58.39`	`Noodleman_`	`hehe`
`05:58.48`	`Noodleman_`	`epiphanies?`
`05:58.58`	`Noodleman_`	`chek yuur speeling :-)`
`05:59.26`	`Patlabor221`	`well it could be the beer`
`05:59.48`	`Noodleman_`	`too many epiphanies, eh?`
`05:59.50`	`Noodleman_`	`hehe`
`06:00.12`	`Patlabor221`	`proably won't member it tomorow tho :(`
`06:15.07`	`*** topic/#bzflag by captain_proton -> Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 \|\| http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag \|\| http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (temporarily down, ETA in May) \|\| http://bzbb.bzflag.org (fourms) \|\| <Patlabor221> wh00t, apernaly beer + fritos trigers epifanys`
`06:15.16`	`Patlabor221`	`damn right they do`
`06:15.37`	`Patlabor221`	`last of the Texas beer :(`
`06:18.41`	`Patlabor221`	`~topic #bzflag rehash`
`06:19.07`	`Patlabor221`	`~topic rehash`
`06:19.07`	`*** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 \|\| http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag \|\| http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (temporarily down, ETA in May) \|\| http://bzbb.bzflag.org (fourms) \|\| <Patlabor221> wh00t, apernaly beer + fritos trigers epifanys`
`06:19.25`	`Patlabor221`	`thats a good ibot`
`06:19.34`	`Patlabor221`	`now it won't eat the topic`
`06:20.14`	`captain_proton`	`well, i think i'm off for 6.5 hours of glorious sleep`
`06:20.24`	`captain_proton`	`and then 2.5 hours of glorious examing`
`06:20.42`	`Patlabor221`	`but then it's all over right?`
`06:20.49`	`captain_proton`	`yep`
`06:21.17`	`Noodleman_`	`http://stats.bzflag.org/`
`06:21.19`	`Noodleman_`	`w00h00!`
`06:21.40`	`Patlabor221`	`a-freakin-mazing`
`06:22.07`	`*** topic/#bzflag by Patlabor221 -> Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 \|\| http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag \|\| http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (it's back so SHADAP) \|\| http://bzbb.bzflag.org (fourms) \|\| <Patlabor221> wh00t, apernaly beer + fritos trigers epifanys`
`06:22.11`	`Patlabor221`	`~topic rehash`
`06:22.11`	`*** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 \|\| http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag \|\| http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (it's back so SHADAP) \|\| http://bzbb.bzflag.org (fourms) \|\| <Patlabor221> wh00t, apernaly beer + fritos trigers epifanys`
`06:25.09`	`Noodleman_`	`ok, g2g`
`06:25.10`	`Noodleman_`	`l8r`
`06:25.19`	`Patlabor221`	`see joo`
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`10:20.22`	`*** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 \|\| http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag \|\| http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (it's back so SHADAP) \|\| http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) \|\| <Patlabor221> wh00t, apernaly beer + fritos trigers epifanys`
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`10:55.21`	`larsl`	`For 1.9, could we change the protocol so it doesn't send out the flag types unless you actually grab the flag, or when you have ID?`
`10:55.37`	`larsl`	`It's extremely easy to cheat by, say, coloring all GMs red and all Ls blue.`
`10:57.01`	`larsl`	`And it's completely undectable.`
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`13:21.57`	`captain_proton`	`so early...\`
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`13:48.52`	`ak\|ra`	`hiho`
`13:48.58`	`dougheckaa`	`moin`
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`13:56.06`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hello`
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`14:11.50`	`ak\|ra`	`hi tee`
`14:11.53`	`ak\|ra`	`hi girl`
`14:21.30`	`bzgirl`	`hi ak\|ra`
`14:24.59`	`dougheckaa`	`ROAR^H^H^H^Hmeow`
`14:27.52`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`huhu ak\|ra`
`14:28.17`	`bzgirl`	`oops`
`14:28.49`	`bzgirl`	`Tea you have been away from bz?`
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`14:50.00`	`Big_Barrel`	`~ducati6`
`15:08.09`	`ak\|ra`	`why?`
`15:08.17`	`dougheckaa`	`he wants to`
`15:08.20`	`ak\|ra`	`why?`
`15:08.30`	`dougheckaa`	`does it matter?`
`15:08.36`	`dougheckaa`	`:P`
`15:08.37`	`ak\|ra`	`yes`
`15:08.40`	`dougheckaa`	`oh`
`15:08.42`	`dougheckaa`	`why?`
`15:09.52`	`ak\|ra`	`i asked capn, not you`
`15:09.57`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: why do you dance?`
`15:10.06`	`dougheckaa`	`oh`
`15:10.37`	`captain_proton`	`ak\|ra: because i'm done with exams :)`
`15:10.39`	`dougheckaa`	`I think because he a)passed an exam b) only a few more weeks of school c) *`
`15:11.04`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: congrats`
`15:11.09`	`dougheckaa`	`heh`
`15:11.15`	`captain_proton`	`few more weeks? dougheckaa, i'm done`
`15:11.24`	`ak\|ra`	`ok, i am off now`
`15:11.26`	`dougheckaa`	`I guessed`
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`15:42.34`	`captain_proton`	`hiya Patlabor221`
`15:42.39`	`Patlabor221`	`hey`
`15:46.53`	`Patlabor221`	`ahh the joy of old bill & ted music`
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`16:11.56`	`Big_Barrel`	`anyone want a match ?`
`16:19.30`	`captain_proton`	`time to hack a bit`
`16:20.25`	`Patlabor221`	`it won't work`
`16:20.32`	`Big_Barrel`	`anyone want a match?`
`16:20.57`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: perhaps we can pull the socket stream stuff from cc++`
`16:21.20`	`Patlabor221`	`looking at sdl_net now`
`16:21.32`	`Patlabor221`	`is there a winsock implementaion of it?`
`16:22.15`	`captain_proton`	`i think so`
`16:22.37`	`Patlabor221`	`where find info`
`16:22.51`	`captain_proton`	`yeah its got win32`
`16:22.56`	`captain_proton`	`cplusplus.sf.net`
`16:23.28`	`captain_proton`	`its got a lot of other sexy stuff too but the sockets are nifty`
`16:23.32`	`Patlabor221`	`any reason for that over sdl net?`
`16:23.50`	`captain_proton`	`i've never looked at sdl_net`
`16:24.27`	`Patlabor221`	`it seems to be a simple packet API`
`16:24.44`	`Patlabor221`	`the net lib I have does some higher level stuff as well`
`16:24.56`	`Patlabor221`	`like cleint managment and stuff`
`16:24.57`	`captain_proton`	`what higher level stuff?`
`16:24.58`	`captain_proton`	`ah`
`16:25.20`	`Patlabor221`	`just things like "send garnted message"`
`16:25.34`	`Patlabor221`	`so the app dosnt' realy send "packets"`
`16:25.34`	`captain_proton`	`client management is easy`
`16:25.37`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`16:25.50`	`Patlabor221`	`it's been a while, so I'm reviewing the api`
`16:26.03`	`Patlabor221`	`it handles messages with a nice class handaler`
`16:26.14`	`Patlabor221`	`you give it a message handaler class, and it calls it for you.`
`16:26.22`	`Patlabor221`	`when you get events and stuff`
`16:29.21`	`Patlabor221`	`are there any other pre existing cross platform high level netowrking APIs?`
`16:29.46`	`captain_proton`	`only two i know of are sdl_net & cc++`
`16:30.08`	`captain_proton`	`client management is trivial`
`16:30.18`	`captain_proton`	`is the base socket abstraction thats really the issue`
`16:30.20`	`Patlabor221`	`true`
`16:30.41`	`Patlabor221`	`I just wonderd if there was anythign that did like it's own garuted UDP or something`
`16:30.46`	`captain_proton`	`yay for functional programming bleeding into non-functional languages`
`16:32.17`	`captain_proton`	`guaranteed udp isn't necessary now`
`16:32.39`	`Patlabor221`	`thought TCP screwed stuff up?`
`16:32.44`	`captain_proton`	`first lets do tcp/udp parallel, then later we can redo the backend`
`16:33.04`	`captain_proton`	`tcp doesn't really screw stuff up`
`16:33.05`	`captain_proton`	`its just slow`
`16:33.17`	`captain_proton`	`especially on high-loss links`
`16:33.29`	`Patlabor221`	`my idea is to screw dialup`
`16:34.36`	`captain_proton`	`its best if we can make the protocol as slim as possible`
`16:34.55`	`captain_proton`	`screwing dialup just consists of making the server authoritative`
`16:35.13`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`16:35.16`	`captain_proton`	`but we should aim to reduce lag as much as possible for broadband folks`
`16:35.23`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`16:35.33`	`captain_proton`	`especially with as fast a game as this`
`16:36.13`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm this is using old school winsock, I could jsut #def it all`
`16:38.35`	`Patlabor221`	`well I like this net API, I am used to it, I'm gonna see if I can get it to use SDL_NET`
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`16:41.15`	`captain_proton`	`what is the collision dampen constant?`
`16:41.49`	`Patlabor221`	`in concept or value?`
`16:45.18`	`dougheckaa`	`hmmmm`
`16:45.41`	`dougheckaa`	`trying to get a truck unstuck out of the mud is fun`
`16:46.07`	`dougheckaa`	`trying to get a truck unstuck out of the mud that has one of its brakes locked up is not fun`
`16:46.22`	`Patlabor221`	`get a tank`
`16:46.39`	`dougheckaa`	`that would help`
`16:46.43`	`dougheckaa`	`or a crane`
`16:47.10`	`dougheckaa`	`didnt help that I drove through an ant hill and got the whole truck covered in ants`
`16:49.06`	`[dmp]`	`"[dmp@asgard dmp]$ mysqldump -u dmp -p dmp >dump.sql" - sure alot of d,m and p's :-)`
`16:49.21`	`dougheckaa`	`haha`
`16:49.31`	`captain_proton`	`concept`
`16:52.55`	`Patlabor221`	`allows for fake non elastic colisions`
`16:53.08`	`Patlabor221`	`basicly some friction when you hit somehting`
`16:53.11`	`Patlabor221`	`they arn't`
`16:53.32`	`captain_proton`	`ah`
`16:53.39`	`captain_proton`	`so its basically a multiplicand for the energy?`
`16:54.28`	`Patlabor221`	`well it's just applied to the resulatant bounce vector`
`16:54.37`	`Patlabor221`	`so it's kind of fake energy`
`16:55.15`	`captain_proton`	`heh, ok`
`16:55.46`	`dougheckaa`	`captain_proton: it aint, that was called sarcasm`
`16:56.26`	`Patlabor221`	`I guess you could make an object with a factor > 1 and it woould be a trampolele`
`16:56.41`	`dougheckaa`	`the brake was locked so hard it left a rut in the ground, it wasnt even spinning`
`16:56.58`	`Patlabor221`	`what did you do to this poor truck`
`16:57.16`	`dougheckaa`	`nothin`
`16:57.16`	`dougheckaa`	`:)`
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`17:03.24`	`captain_proton`	`yay for employment`
`17:22.24`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`17:22.29`	`captain_proton`	`ODE doesn't have a generic mesh object`
`17:23.00`	`captain_proton`	`i guess i can use a cylinder for the pod`
`17:23.30`	`captain_proton`	`is there any way we can require a second group of objects (boxes, etc) to describe the physics geo for mesh objects?`
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`17:36.11`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`fir what is clone cd?`
`17:36.13`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`for`
`17:37.48`	`Big_Barrel`	`r u playing the TSD v TLZ match -skill-?`
`17:37.59`	`Big_Barrel`	`this will be funny...lol`
`17:38.17`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`done yesterday`
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`17:48.56`	`Noodleman_`	`m00`
`17:49.18`	`dougheckaa`	`hmm`
`17:49.20`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`m00`
`17:49.27`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hey Noodleman_`
`17:49.27`	`Noodleman_`	`http://stats.bzflag.org/`
`17:49.29`	`Noodleman_`	`w00w00`
`17:49.34`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`y34h`
`17:49.53`	`dougheckaa`	`l@m3rz`
`17:50.53`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`c4mp3r is l4m3 , 4nd a n00b 4sw3!!`
`17:52.01`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`having a match`
`17:53.42`	`Patlabor221`	`cap, can we use boolean operators on those ODE prims?`
`17:53.59`	`Patlabor221`	`and boxes and cylinders may be ok`
`17:54.20`	`Patlabor221`	`it would let stuff "slide" across things`
`17:54.29`	`Patlabor221`	`and not get "frank stuck"`
`17:54.34`	`dougheckaa`	`lol`
`17:54.58`	`Patlabor221`	`"hit tab a lot and you'll evenualy get out" is not a vaid design descision IMHO`
`17:55.10`	`dougheckaa`	`hahahah`
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`17:59.14`	`dougheckaa`	`hmm`
`17:59.24`	`dougheckaa`	`anyone know how ICS works?`
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`18:03.38`	`dougheckaa`	`hey TimRiker`
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`18:18.08`	`dougheckaa`	`aha!`
`18:18.08`	`dougheckaa`	`:)`
`18:18.23`	`test1`	`just testing the new java irc client that's gunna be on s.b.o :-)`
`18:18.28`	`test1`	`kewl, it works`
`18:18.33`	`dougheckaa`	`haha`
`18:18.49`	`Noodleman_`	`neeto`
`18:25.34`	`dougheckaa`	`Noodleman_: whats ur dns server?`
`18:25.37`	`dougheckaa`	`the ip`
`18:25.50`	`Noodleman_`	`66.62.140.111 and 66.62.140.112`
`18:26.12`	`Noodleman_`	`that's just authoritative dns, no caching`
`18:26.21`	`dougheckaa`	`can I access it from here?`
`18:26.27`	`dougheckaa`	`or is it internal only?`
`18:26.36`	`Noodleman_`	`sure, although it will only give info on my domains`
`18:26.41`	`dougheckaa`	`oh.`
`18:27.29`	`dougheckaa`	`bah`
`18:27.32`	`dougheckaa`	`silly thing`
`18:27.39`	`dougheckaa`	`I can ping the dns server`
`18:27.52`	`dougheckaa`	`but it wont work like it should`
`18:27.57`	`Noodleman_`	`what are you trying to look up?`
`18:28.03`	`dougheckaa`	`anything`
`18:28.06`	`dougheckaa`	`# cat /etc/resolve.conf`
`18:28.06`	`dougheckaa`	`nameserver 66.62.140.111`
`18:28.06`	`dougheckaa`	`nameserver 216.135.64.3`
`18:28.06`	`dougheckaa`	`# ping www.google.com`
`18:28.06`	`dougheckaa`	`ping: www.google.com: Host name lookup failure`
`18:28.06`	`dougheckaa`	`#`
`18:28.12`	`Noodleman_`	`that won't work`
`18:28.16`	`dougheckaa`	`no?`
`18:28.22`	`Noodleman_`	`it only does lookups on my domains`
`18:28.27`	`Noodleman_`	`no one else's`
`18:28.36`	`dougheckaa`	`yea, but thats my dns under it`
`18:28.46`	`Noodleman_`	`?`
`18:28.50`	`Noodleman_`	`oh`
`18:28.51`	`Noodleman_`	`i see`
`18:28.59`	`dougheckaa`	`# ping noodleroni.com`
`18:28.59`	`dougheckaa`	`ping: noodleroni.com: Host name lookup failure`
`18:29.08`	`Noodleman_`	`hmm, dunno`
`18:29.47`	`dougheckaa`	`bah`
`18:29.49`	`dougheckaa`	`silly leeenox`
`18:30.02`	`dougheckaa`	`I can ping google`
`18:30.06`	`dougheckaa`	`but not google.com`
`18:30.10`	`dougheckaa`	`er, ping googles.ip`
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`18:32.40`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
`18:32.56`	`doughecka`	`hmm...`
`18:34.02`	`captain_proton`	`"resolve.conf" ??`
`18:34.09`	`doughecka`	`yea.`
`18:34.34`	`captain_proton`	`you do realize that the nameserver config is 'resolv.conf', not 'resolve.conf'`
`18:34.50`	`doughecka`	`well. no.`
`18:35.24`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`18:35.45`	`doughecka`	`poof`
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`18:38.28`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
`18:39.08`	`doughecka`	`now tell me WHY they decided to take the e off that?`
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`18:40.37`	`doughecka`	`aha! Noodleman's ma!`
`18:40.43`	`Noodleman_`	`hehe`
`18:40.54`	`Noodlema`	`http://stats.bzflag.org/ircchat.php`
`18:41.25`	`Noodlema`	`go try it`
`18:41.36`	`doughecka`	`its tryin`
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`18:41.51`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`18:41.55`	`captian_`	`cool`
`18:42.19`	`captian_`	`aha`
`18:42.27`	`doughecka`	`private messages work`
`18:48.50`	`doughecka`	`woo, it pings`
`18:52.14`	`Noodleman_`	`what's the option in html where you can specify the maximum amount of characters in a text input field?`
`18:52.21`	`Noodleman_`	`i forgot, gurn it`
`18:52.27`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`18:52.39`	`doughecka`	`I dunno`
`18:56.58`	`Noodleman_`	`it's 'maxlength'`
`18:57.02`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`19:06.15`	`Noodleman_`	`nothing like sparkling lemonade on a cold, bend, oregon spring day :-)`
`19:06.45`	`doughecka`	`lol`
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`19:07.10`	`michaelh20`	`any linux / unix people here?`
`19:07.14`	`Noodleman_`	`me`
`19:07.24`	`Noodleman_`	`and just aboyt everybody else :-)`
`19:07.37`	`doughecka`	`#linux has lots of linux users`
`19:07.49`	`michaelh20`	`how shocking`
`19:07.55`	`michaelh20`	`:)`
`19:08.01`	`doughecka`	`yea, its like, totaly unreal`
`19:08.13`	`michaelh20`	`I'm getting X11/Xlib.h: no such file or directory in compiling bzflag`
`19:08.27`	`michaelh20`	`I see a link from /usr/include/x11 to`
`19:08.35`	`Noodleman_`	`do you have the XFree86-devel package?`
`19:08.56`	`Noodleman_`	`which distribution are you using?`
`19:08.59`	`michaelh20`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:09.02`	`michaelh20`	`to that`
`19:09.13`	`Noodleman_`	`which distribution are you using?`
`19:09.47`	`michaelh20`	`Suse .. ancient 6.3 version`
`19:10.03`	`Noodleman_`	`yeah, make sure you have the XFree86-devel package`
`19:10.30`	`michaelh20`	`I have to download it ?`
`19:10.32`	`michaelh20`	`sniff`
`19:10.47`	`Noodleman_`	`it should be on your distro's CD's`
`19:13.54`	`michaelh20`	`I swear I have so mangled this system`
`19:14.22`	`Noodleman_`	`hehe`
`19:14.28`	`michaelh20`	`links all over the place`
`19:14.43`	`Noodleman_`	`you might even consider upgrading your OS`
`19:14.45`	`michaelh20`	`have no clue sometimes :)`
`19:15.06`	`Noodleman_`	`your OS probably has XFree86 3, right?`
`19:15.07`	`michaelh20`	`I have 56k dialup though, and hence I might have to pay actual $ for it`
`19:15.15`	`michaelh20`	`I believe so`
`19:15.33`	`michaelh20`	`plus the drivers for my Tnt1 are well.. I have nooooo idea`
`19:15.36`	`Noodleman_`	`suse doesn't offer free downloads anymore, i don't think`
`19:15.49`	`michaelh20`	`off ftp, but not as cd image files`
`19:16.06`	`Noodleman_`	`and to use nvidia's drivers, you will have to have XFree 4`
`19:16.14`	`michaelh20`	`doh`
`19:16.21`	`Noodleman_`	`you'll get accelerated 3D that way`
`19:16.31`	`michaelh20`	`I have no sound either :)`
`19:16.36`	`Noodleman_`	`hehe`
`19:16.41`	`michaelh20`	`Crappy yamaha PCI card`
`19:16.52`	`michaelh20`	`I'd have to buy that ESS-whatever thingee I think`
`19:17.40`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`/dev/null`
`19:18.12`	`michaelh20`	`love that user friendly installs linux offers`
`19:19.02`	`Noodleman_`	`if you like user-friendly linux installs, try lindows or xandros :-)`
`19:19.06`	`Noodleman_`	`2 clicks :-)`
`19:19.15`	`michaelh20`	`I mean software in general when you build things`
`19:19.19`	`doughecka`	`or knoppix`
`19:19.24`	`Noodleman_`	`hehe`
`19:19.36`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`huhu`
`19:19.53`	`michaelh20`	`how do I freaking copy some text out of the term`
`19:19.54`	`doughecka`	`lurgyman is lurgyman@aden2-123-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU`
`19:20.01`	`Noodleman_`	`just select it`
`19:20.05`	`doughecka`	`must be visiting`
`19:20.06`	`lurgyman`	`doughecka: I'm on lurgyman's computer`
`19:20.07`	`Noodleman_`	`then middle-click to paste`
`19:20.12`	`michaelh20`	`and paste?`
`19:20.13`	`lurgyman`	`my computer is rather far away right now`
`19:20.18`	`doughecka`	`oh?`
`19:20.20`	`michaelh20`	`pfft`
`19:20.23`	`doughecka`	`broken?`
`19:20.25`	`michaelh20`	`cc -shared glut_8x13.lo glut_9x15.lo glut_bitmap.lo glut_bwidth.lo glut_cindex.lo glut_cmap.lo glut_cursor.lo glut_dials.lo glut_dstr.lo glut_event.lo glut_ext.lo glut_fbc.lo glut_fullscrn.lo glut_gamemode.lo glut_get.lo glut_glxext.lo glut_hel10.lo glut_hel12.lo glut_hel18.lo glut_init.lo glut_input.lo glut_joy.lo glut_key.lo glut_keyctrl.lo glut_keyup.lo glut_menu.lo glut_menu2.lo glut_mesa.lo glut_modifier.lo glut_mroman.lo glut_overlay.lo glut_roma`
`19:20.25`	`michaelh20`	`collect2: ld returned 1 exit status`
`19:20.25`	`michaelh20`	`make[2]: *** [libglut.la] Error 1`
`19:20.26`	`michaelh20`	make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/mhoffman/mesa/Mesa-5.0.1/src-glut'
`19:20.27`	`michaelh20`	`make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1`
`19:20.29`	`michaelh20`	make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mhoffman/mesa/Mesa-5.0.1'
`19:20.31`	`michaelh20`	`make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2`
`19:20.33`	`michaelh20`	`root@mrcomputer:/home/mhoffman/mesa/Mesa-5.0.1 >`
`19:20.36`	`lurgyman`	`doughecka: no, moved home for the summer`
`19:20.47`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`19:20.47`	`doughecka`	`cool`
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`19:21.47`	`m00`	`m00`
`19:22.03`	`michaelh20`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:22.05`	`michaelh20`	`??`
`19:22.35`	`michaelh20`	`Perhaps I need Xfree 4 before Mesa 5 ? :)`
`19:22.46`	`Noodleman_`	`yeah, your installation is screwed :-\`
`19:22.51`	`doughecka`	`#xfree`
`19:23.07`	`michaelh20`	`but what is lXext ?`
`19:23.26`	`michaelh20`	`ah so. link library?`
`19:23.29`	`Noodleman_`	`some XFree library`
`19:23.32`	`michaelh20`	`library of some sort`
`19:23.50`	`lurgyman`	`Xext == X extensions`
`19:24.15`	`m00`	`Noodlebot, puke on ibot`
`19:24.20`	`michaelh20`	`I think these dudes should use less files ........`
`19:24.21`	`lurgyman`	`things like MIT-SHM and XVideo`
`19:24.59`	`michaelh20`	`get like 10,000 lines of output with warnings and errors burried inbetween them all and funky command line optios`
`19:25.01`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`with linux i can not make a internet conecten because my wlan gos over usb`
`19:25.09`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`so never :(`
`19:25.25`	`Noodleman_`	`there are linux drivers for some usb wlan adapters`
`19:25.33`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hm`
`19:25.38`	`Noodleman_`	`which chipset?`
`19:25.39`	`doughecka`	`redhat?`
`19:25.41`	`doughecka`	`#redhat`
`19:25.41`	`michaelh20`	`how do I stop the title from going backkkkkkk and forrrrrrrth ?`
`19:25.42`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`19:25.44`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`7.3`
`19:25.45`	`michaelh20`	`arrrrrrrrggggggg`
`19:25.46`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`no`
`19:25.49`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`they stink`
`19:26.00`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`they are all tossas`
`19:26.01`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:D`
`19:26.11`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`the are all n00bs`
`19:28.50`	`m00`	`l8r`
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`19:32.05`	`Chestal`	`hi kr`
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`19:33.49`	`[T\|T]`	`i have question`
`19:33.53`	`[T\|T]`	`s
`19:34.14`	`tea\|tree`	`I have Winxp and redhat on my pc`
`19:34.23`	`tea\|tree`	`i would like too deinstall redhat`
`19:34.30`	`tea\|tree`	`but still keep the partition`
`19:35.26`	`tea\|tree`	`2end`
`19:36.07`	`tea\|tree`	`i would like to download Linux (but i dont know whichone) and from where , and how many cds i have to burn that..`
`19:36.23`	`tea\|tree`	`and i want to download it on win`
`19:36.28`	`tea\|tree`	`and i want to burn it on win`
`19:36.36`	`tea\|tree`	`and install it over boot cd`
`19:36.36`	`tea\|tree`	`:D`
`19:36.39`	`tea\|tree`	`so...`
`19:36.42`	`doughecka`	`knoppix is real easy to setup`
`19:36.54`	`doughecka`	`heck, it boots a whole system off the cd`
`19:37.00`	`doughecka`	`but the hard drive install is shaky`
`19:37.22`	`doughecka`	`and it has usb problems`
`19:37.26`	`doughecka`	`debian :P`
`19:37.32`	`tea\|tree`	`yes?`
`19:37.38`	`tea\|tree`	`were can i download it from`
`19:37.40`	`doughecka`	`but that would need an internet connection to download all the stuff`
`19:37.46`	`doughecka`	`google is ur friend`
`19:38.58`	`tea\|tree`	`as you can see i am on?!`
`19:39.08`	`doughecka`	`?`
`19:46.41`	`Noodleman_`	`i've found gentoo to be a nice distro if you don't mind compiling everything`
`19:46.58`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`19:47.05`	`Noodleman_`	`serious`
`19:47.08`	`doughecka`	`like... days and days`
`19:47.09`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`19:47.12`	`Noodleman_`	`you compile everything`
`19:47.27`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`19:47.37`	`Noodleman_`	`it only took me about 15 hours to get it installed on this box :-)`
`19:47.44`	`doughecka`	`wow`
`19:47.46`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`19:47.46`	`Noodleman_`	`with the gui and everything :-)`
`19:47.55`	`doughecka`	`yay, doom works on my zaurus`
`19:49.13`	`Patlabor221`	`doom works on my PC`
`19:49.18`	`Patlabor221`	`much faster too`
`19:49.23`	`doughecka`	`mines portable`
`19:49.26`	`Patlabor221`	`more controlable`
`19:49.29`	`Patlabor221`	`so is my laptop`
`19:49.35`	`doughecka`	`mine can fit in my pocket`
`19:49.44`	`Patlabor221`	`so can my laptop :)`
`19:49.59`	`doughecka`	`suuure`
`19:50.11`	`Noodleman_`	`l8r`
`19:50.16`	`Patlabor221`	`never underestimate my pants`
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`19:58.47`	`Patlabor221`	`what is the linux function to get the MS sinince system start?`
`19:59.02`	`michaelh20`	`time(null)?`
`19:59.19`	`Patlabor221`	`thanks`
`19:59.21`	`Patlabor221`	`and hi :)`
`19:59.25`	`michaelh20`	`not quite sure though :)`
`19:59.28`	`michaelh20`	`hello`
`20:00.11`	`michaelh20`	`I'm going mad watching the title scroll back and forth.. how do I stop this madness?`
`20:00.28`	`Patlabor221`	`in what?`
`20:00.37`	`michaelh20`	`kde`
`20:00.56`	`michaelh20`	`the title of this channel is larger than it holds so it scolls back and forth`
`20:01.00`	`Patlabor221`	`dono`
`20:01.05`	`Patlabor221`	`may be an app prefrence`
`20:01.48`	`michaelh20`	`woohoo`
`20:06.49`	`Chestal`	`pat: time(0) will just give you the current time as epoch`
`20:07.29`	`Patlabor221`	`epoch ?`
`20:07.45`	`Chestal`	`seconds since arbitrary date`
`20:07.48`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh`
`20:08.01`	`Chestal`	`1970-1-1`
`20:08.07`	`Patlabor221`	`isn't there one for since the system was started?`
`20:08.13`	`Patlabor221`	`but I don't think it realy maters`
`20:08.25`	`michaelh20`	`there's some little bit of code stuck away in TimeKeeper`
`20:08.48`	`michaelh20`	`if you are curious`
`20:09.08`	`Chestal`	`AFAIK there is no Posix standard function`
`20:09.15`	`Chestal`	`on Linux you could read /proc/uptime`
`20:09.17`	`Patlabor221`	`the epoch thing will work`
`20:09.28`	`Patlabor221`	`the start dosn't mater`
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`20:09.30`	`michaelh20`	`it's Microsoft I guess that needs 3 different functions for the same thing :)`
`20:09.34`	`greg1`	`Hi`
`20:09.54`	`michaelh20`	`and then of course 27 functions to convert back and forth`
`20:09.56`	`Patlabor221`	`I allways use QueryPerformanceCounter when I can.`
`20:10.25`	`michaelh20`	`systemToFileTimeToBigNumber`
`20:10.26`	`Chestal`	`Pat: if you need sub-second precison, use gettimeofday()`
`20:10.33`	`michaelh20`	`etc`
`20:10.51`	`michaelh20`	`except what happens if it's exactly midnight :)`
`20:11.44`	`Patlabor221`	`ahh he uses SDL heh`
`20:12.00`	`michaelh20`	`Why can't the xfree86 people put all of the little files inside another zip/tar file?`
`20:12.17`	`Patlabor221`	`cus then there would be less typing`
`20:12.18`	`larsl`	`Little files?`
`20:12.26`	`Patlabor221`	`and it would be more like windows then`
`20:12.28`	`Patlabor221`	`and tha'ts bad.`
`20:12.41`	`michaelh20`	`there's about 10 tar gzipped files you have to download to upgrade it`
`20:12.44`	`Chestal`	`Pat: bzflag uses gettimeofday in its TimeKeeper class`
`20:13.05`	`larsl`	`That's what package management systems are for. =)`
`20:13.14`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm guessing SDL uses the same.`
`20:13.21`	`larsl`	`RPM, DEB, etc.`
`20:13.21`	`Chestal`	`probably`
`20:13.31`	`michaelh20`	`fancy that idea .....`
`20:13.51`	`michaelh20`	`my version is so old it's off the charts now. no more upgrades .. sniff`
`20:14.54`	`Chestal`	`I receive lots of funny spam lately which passes my filters because it does not contain any message body`
`20:15.06`	`doughecka`	`only a subject?`
`20:15.19`	`Chestal`	`yes`
`20:15.24`	`doughecka`	`huh`
`20:16.07`	`Chestal`	`maybe they're just for checking the address`
`20:16.16`	`Chestal`	`so when someone replies they mark the address as acitve`
`20:16.20`	`doughecka`	`send back a fake bounce :)`
`20:17.22`	`larsl`	`I've gotten a lot of spam from some place called artmarket.com.`
`20:17.44`	`doughecka`	`~spam`
`20:17.44`		`ACTION sings, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Wonderfull spam!`
`20:17.52`	`michaelh20`	`I've got this one address which I don't use very often, it has like 1500 messages in it, all mostly spam`
`20:20.37`	`Patlabor221`	`#ifdef _LAGGY_BITCH`
`20:20.41`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`20:22.45`	`michaelh20`	`this is the 5401 again :)`
`20:22.48`	`michaelh20`	`?`
`20:23.15`	`michaelh20`	`2402`
`20:23.21`	`michaelh20`	`8906`
`20:23.29`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`20:23.47`	`michaelh20`	`1986`
`20:23.48`	`Patlabor221`	`2501 is the number he uses`
`20:24.00`	`Patlabor221`	`it's fugly code`
`20:24.03`	`Patlabor221`	`that just crashes`
`20:24.10`	`Patlabor221`	`this is something else`
`20:24.10`	`doughecka`	`mine doesnt`
`20:24.12`	`captain_proton`	`very fugly code`
`20:24.18`	`michaelh20`	`cool`
`20:24.22`	`Patlabor221`	`doug yours is a binary, not code`
`20:24.28`	`michaelh20`	`well maybe it works on his computer though :)`
`20:24.31`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`20:24.34`	`Patlabor221`	`it does`
`20:24.38`	`michaelh20`	`that's all the counts after all`
`20:24.49`	`Patlabor221`	`I think I have divrent version of the libs then he has.`
`20:25.02`	`Patlabor221`	`this is CNetwork`
`20:25.06`	`michaelh20`	`so that's your stuff doug?`
`20:25.19`	`doughecka`	`aurus`
`20:25.21`	`doughecka`	`zaurus even`
`20:25.24`	`michaelh20`	`not that I've ever looked at it`
`20:25.26`	`doughecka`	`?`
`20:25.30`	`doughecka`	`my stuff?`
`20:25.38`	`Patlabor221`	`my net stuff was only winsoc`
`20:25.45`	`michaelh20`	`you did da 2401 thingee?`
`20:25.46`	`Patlabor221`	`so I'm trying to make it use SDL_NET`
`20:25.49`	`doughecka`	`no`
`20:25.51`	`Patlabor221`	`no I didn't`
`20:25.51`	`michaelh20`	`2501`
`20:25.57`	`Patlabor221`	`BZFrank did`
`20:25.58`	`doughecka`	`~bzfrank`
`20:25.58`		`extra, extra, read all about it, bzfrank is sure as soon as the musun has gone it will be great for at least 48 hours ;)`
`20:26.06`	`michaelh20`	`ah so`
`20:26.19`	`michaelh20`	`??`
`20:26.33`	`michaelh20`	`ibot eat doug`
`20:26.34`		`<do> eats doug and falls over dead`
`20:26.46`	`Patlabor221`	`it's <action> not do`
`20:26.54`	`michaelh20`	`heh`
`20:27.09`	`michaelh20`	`couldn't get rid of it ....... :)`
`20:27.12`	`greg1`	`~help`
`20:29.10`	`Patlabor221`	`~no eat $1 is <action> eats $1 and falls over dead`
`20:29.11`		`okay, Patlabor221`
`20:29.25`	`doughecka`	`~eat fly`
`20:29.26`		`ACTION eats fly and falls over dead`
`20:29.50`	`Patlabor221`	`wow apernatly I had an epifany last night.`
`20:30.02`	`captain_proton`	`yep`
`20:30.07`	`Patlabor221`	`was it good?`
`20:31.11`	`captain_proton`	`you never told us what it was`
`20:31.53`	`Patlabor221`	`"only clip when it 's an ocluder"`
`20:31.56`	`Patlabor221`	`that's what it was.`
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`20:32.26`	`BaDiN`	`hey`
`20:32.31`	`Patlabor221`	`occluder actualy`
`20:32.31`	`BaDiN`	`any teams around to play?`
`20:35.05`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm, this looks like it will allow the world to be non square.`
`20:35.11`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`20:35.24`	`doughecka`	`then we can have a round world`
`20:35.36`	`Patlabor221`	`didn't say curved`
`20:35.38`	`doughecka`	`"you dont live on the round world, why live in a square house"`
`20:35.47`	`doughecka`	`I said round`
`20:35.53`	`Patlabor221`	`you do live in a round world`
`20:36.06`	`doughecka`	`well, remove the dont`
`20:36.28`	`Patlabor221`	`it could be a series of conected convex polygons`
`20:36.35`	`doughecka`	`uh huh`
`20:36.52`	`Patlabor221`	`or actulay convex polyhedra`
`20:36.57`	`Patlabor221`	`if you realy wanted`
`20:37.10`	`Patlabor221`	`pending implementaion issues`
`20:37.23`	`doughecka`	`heh`
`20:38.07`	`Patlabor221`	`all true curves would need to be segmented to be drawn on a pixel based device.`
`20:38.44`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't think you wold want to use a surface as a portal tho`
`20:38.58`	`doughecka`	`hm`
`20:39.26`	`Patlabor221`	`but this would allow for 5d space :)`
`20:39.34`	`doughecka`	`5d?`
`20:39.40`	`Patlabor221`	`5d!`
`20:39.47`	`doughecka`	`5d.`
`20:39.55`	`Patlabor221`	`you lean fast`
`20:40.10`	`doughecka`	`yea, most people can lean fast`
`20:40.18`	`Patlabor221`	`not everyone`
`20:40.26`	`Patlabor221`	`people with big feet`
`20:40.31`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`20:40.56`	`Patlabor221`	`let me draw you a picture.`
`20:42.01`	`tea\|tree`	`i want to send somewone a viris`
`20:42.03`	`tea\|tree`	`virus`
`20:42.04`	`tea\|tree`	`:D`
`20:42.09`	`doughecka`	`good for you`
`20:42.12`	`tea\|tree`	`i dont know how and with what`
`20:42.13`	`tea\|tree`	`:D`
`20:42.16`	`Patlabor221`	`go to undernet`
`20:42.24`	`tea\|tree`	`huh?`
`20:42.39`	`Patlabor221`	`a difrent IRC network`
`20:43.16`	`tea\|tree`	`~ducati6`
`20:43.28`	`tea\|tree`	`hmm`
`20:43.41`	`tea\|tree`	`no i leave my fingers from that stuff`
`20:43.53`	`tea\|tree`	`to scard with my own pc`
`20:44.12`	`Noodleman`	`m00`
`20:44.17`	`tea\|tree`	`m00`
`20:44.28`	`Noodleman`	`m0o`
`20:45.31`	`Patlabor221`	`ok doug, look at this`
`20:45.32`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.bakadigital.com/5d.png`
`20:45.54`	`doughecka`	`looks more like a b`
`20:46.00`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`20:46.12`	`doughecka`	`interesting`
`20:46.13`	`Patlabor221`	`this is just a 2d case`
`20:46.18`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`20:46.18`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: what is this?`
`20:46.26`	`Patlabor221`	`imagine that the world is just made of those polygons`
`20:46.32`	`Patlabor221`	`and you can just see what is inside them`
`20:46.35`	`doughecka`	`captain_proton: something hes trying to confuse me with :P`
`20:46.47`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`20:46.53`	`Patlabor221`	`hmm let me draw the portals`
`20:47.01`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: are you trying to explain portals to him?`
`20:47.47`	`Patlabor221`	`just one of the portal tricks`
`20:47.51`	`Patlabor221`	`reload the image`
`20:48.06`	`doughecka`	`ok`
`20:48.12`	`doughecka`	`portals are the white stuff`
`20:48.21`	`Patlabor221`	`basicly the white lines are where the cels connect is the white portals`
`20:48.35`	`Patlabor221`	`you can go from one poly to another only thu portals`
`20:48.35`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`20:48.48`	`Patlabor221`	`if the red guy moved along that arrow`
`20:48.55`	`Patlabor221`	`and the yellow guy moved along his arrow`
`20:49.01`	`Patlabor221`	`they would not be able to see each other`
`20:49.05`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`20:49.12`	`Patlabor221`	`since they are in difrent cels`
`20:49.18`	`doughecka`	`I see`
`20:49.20`	`Patlabor221`	`but in the same spot in space`
`20:49.27`	`Patlabor221`	`so you can do all sorts of wierd stuff`
`20:49.33`	`doughecka`	`heh`
`20:49.54`	`Patlabor221`	`and it's been called "5d space" when you do this all in 3d`
`20:50.05`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`20:50.29`	`Patlabor221`	`so like you could make a "tunnel" from one side of a map to another, that you could never see from the outside`
`20:50.50`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`20:50.51`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`20:50.55`	`Patlabor221`	`or a "door" that seems to go nowhere till you open it and there is a room inside.`
`20:51.08`	`doughecka`	`like... monster inc :P`
`20:51.17`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`20:51.24`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah sorta like that`
`20:51.31`	`Patlabor221`	`but this method dosn't let it move`
`20:51.36`	`doughecka`	`oh`
`20:51.40`	`Secret_Hamster`	`is this like layering universes on top of one another?`
`20:51.49`	`doughecka`	`Secret_Hamster: I do that in my back yard`
`20:52.00`	`Patlabor221`	`no just space partitioning`
`20:52.10`	`Patlabor221`	`and controling how those partitions interact.`
`20:52.12`	`Secret_Hamster`	`so it's all same spave`
`20:52.19`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`20:52.21`	`Secret_Hamster`	`s/spave/space`
`20:52.29`	`Chestal`	`I always liked rooms whos inside is bigger than their outside`
`20:52.29`	`Secret_Hamster`	`hum wierd`
`20:52.30`	`Patlabor221`	`you just allways have to be "IN" a cell`
`20:52.35`	`Patlabor221`	`and each cell knows what it can see`
`20:52.41`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`20:52.47`	`Patlabor221`	`that could be done with this as well`
`20:52.48`	`doughecka`	`Dr Who did that`
`20:52.58`	`Secret_Hamster`	`just like a room then surely`
`20:53.11`	`tea\|tree`	`hello Secret_Hamster!!!`
`20:53.14`	`Patlabor221`	`with portals you can only ever see the "inside" of a room`
`20:53.19`	`Secret_Hamster`	`with curtains between one another`
`20:53.31`	`Patlabor221`	`so the "outside" has to be the "inside" of another room`
`20:53.35`	`Secret_Hamster`	`hi tea\|tree longtime`
`20:53.39`	`tea\|tree`	`jep`
`20:53.39`	`tea\|tree`	`:D`
`20:54.41`	`Secret_Hamster`	`hum still seems just like having intersecting rooms to me`
`20:55.25`	`Patlabor221`	`in that picture the green vertical room dosn't know it intersects with the horisontal blue one`
`20:55.38`	`Patlabor221`	`so if you are in the green one, it dosnt' show the blue`
`20:55.44`	`Patlabor221`	`and vise versa`
`20:55.49`	`*** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@mercury.coinet.com)`
`20:55.57`	`Patlabor221`	`it only knows about room conections from the white portals`
`20:56.54`	`Secret_Hamster`	`ahh, so if your in the blue, and someone else is in the green they DON'T see one another, even though they are in the same physical space?`
`20:57.03`	`doughecka`	`yes!!`
`20:57.05`	`doughecka`	`;)`
`20:57.06`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`20:57.12`	`Secret_Hamster`	`ahh now I see it`
`20:57.17`	`Patlabor221`	`that is the 5d space trick`
`20:57.21`	`doughecka`	`(said the blind man)`
`20:57.35`	`doughecka`	`(as he picked up the hammer and saw)`
`20:57.41`	`Secret_Hamster`	`now I see why it's useful`
`20:57.47`	`larsl`	`5D?`
`20:57.52`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah you can do all sorts of stuff`
`20:57.53`	`doughecka`	`larsl: oh dear`
`20:58.01`	`doughecka`	`larsl: this is gonna be the 3rd time :P`
`20:58.06`	`Secret_Hamster`	`it's kinda like polarising space idea I once heard about`
`20:58.11`	`Patlabor221`	`when you take the idea to 3d, they call it 5d`
`20:58.14`	`Patlabor221`	`cus the 4th is time`
`20:58.19`	`Patlabor221`	`it's not a real dimension`
`20:58.30`	`doughecka`	`larsl: heh`
`20:58.32`	`Patlabor221`	`just seems like something like that`
`20:58.40`	`Patlabor221`	`sounds like a neat buzzword realy :)`
`20:58.45`	`Secret_Hamster`	`yea`
`20:58.55`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`20:58.57`	`Secret_Hamster`	`definaltley a buzzword,`
`20:59.13`	`larsl`	`And the fifth dimension is the separation of the rooms?`
`20:59.18`	`Secret_Hamster`	`the 5d is what made me scratch my head.`
`20:59.35`	`doughecka`	`cells`
`21:00.02`	`Patlabor221`	`kinda`
`21:00.03`	`doughecka`	`like if we could separate Cell's head from his body, we would all be happy`
`21:00.06`	`Secret_Hamster`	`well to me it's more like multidimensions with portals between them. but hey what do I know`
`21:00.16`	`doughecka`	`Secret_Hamster: nothing?`
`21:00.31`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`21:00.38`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah basicly each room is a space to it's self, but all room share the same coordinate system.`
`21:00.39`	`Secret_Hamster`	`cheeky monkey`
`21:01.03`	`Secret_Hamster`	`yea, just like the layered universe idea`
`21:01.23`	`Patlabor221`	`well in that system you would think each room would have it's own CS`
`21:01.30`	`Patlabor221`	`and Ive seen it done that way`
`21:01.35`	`Patlabor221`	`just harder to model`
`21:01.52`	`Secret_Hamster`	`lotsa universes seperated by "phase". I think Star Trek took up on the idea and totally bastardised it`
`21:02.10`	`Patlabor221`	`well this is more simple, its just portls`
`21:02.23`	`Patlabor221`	`the idea came up from just looking at the inside of a house :)`
`21:02.30`	`doughecka`	`heh`
`21:02.37`	`doughecka`	`2 story house?`
`21:02.39`	`Patlabor221`	`since every room is convex you can make a lot of visibility asumptions.`
`21:02.50`	`*** join/#bzflag creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`21:02.54`	`Secret_Hamster`	`yea, well the portals can be anything, rips in te fabric between universes`
`21:02.58`	`Patlabor221`	`3d portals can take care of a 2 story house`
`21:03.00`	`creeperz`	`Hi`
`21:03.07`	`Patlabor221`	`2.5 portals have a slight limit`
`21:03.15`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`21:03.15`	`creeperz`	`What;s the topic?`
`21:03.20`	`Secret_Hamster`	`or somekinda system to transport you beteen phases`
`21:03.30`	`Secret_Hamster`	`the 5th dimension`
`21:03.31`	`doughecka`	`5d`
`21:03.41`	`creeperz`	`Ahh`
`21:03.45`	`Secret_Hamster`	`doughecka has trademarked it`
`21:03.58`	`doughecka`	`I did?`
`21:04.03`	`doughecka`	`oh yes... I did...`
`21:04.10`	`Noodleman`	`~decapitate doughecka`
`21:04.11`		`ACTION cuts of doughecka's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper`
`21:04.11`	`Secret_Hamster`	`he's turned himself into a slider`
`21:04.22`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`21:04.31`	`creeperz`	`Heh`
`21:04.53`	`Secret_Hamster`	`or Data from Star Trek "0.01 degrees phase shifted"`
`21:04.54`	`Patlabor221`	`the problem I had with my implementaion was with how I handled 2 portals that touched.`
`21:05.13`	`creeperz`	`We need to make a channel for all of the bots in this channel in a month or so`
`21:05.16`	`Secret_Hamster`	`"0.02 d4grees pha5e shified"`
`21:05.31`	`Patlabor221`	`creeper that is called undernet`
`21:05.33`	`Patlabor221`	`or dalnet`
`21:05.34`	`Secret_Hamster`	`lots of stupid stuff like that`
`21:05.39`	`doughecka`	`or any *net`
`21:05.47`	`Patlabor221`	`ubernet`
`21:05.53`	`creeperz`	`Patlabor221: I can still play online Java RPGs with Linux, right?`
`21:05.54`	`doughecka`	`l33tnet`
`21:06.03`	`Patlabor221`	`not that one you showd me`
`21:06.03`	`larsl`	`Data is dead.`
`21:06.11`	`Patlabor221`	`they used an MS only drawing engine.`
`21:06.13`	`creeperz`	`www.www.com.com`
`21:06.14`	`creeperz`	`:-)`
`21:06.18`	`doughecka`	`larsl: nooooooo!`
`21:06.40`	`creeperz`	`RH8.0 can't have Java?`
`21:06.52`	`Patlabor221`	`it's not the java part`
`21:06.55`	`Patlabor221`	`java works fine`
`21:07.03`	`Patlabor221`	`its what they use to draw stuff on the screen`
`21:07.10`	`Patlabor221`	`java in itself can't do graphics`
`21:07.16`	`creeperz`	`Ahh`
`21:07.18`	`Patlabor221`	`it needs something else`
`21:07.18`	`creeperz`	`:-/`
`21:07.31`	`creeperz`	`Sounds complicated`
`21:07.39`	`Patlabor221`	`that "something else" that most of those games use is usualy direct X based`
`21:07.41`	`Patlabor221`	`it is.`
`21:07.55`	`creeperz`	`I don't even know how to even install RH 8.0!`
`21:08.03`	`Patlabor221`	`you put in the CD and boot`
`21:08.12`	`creeperz`	`I know that`
`21:08.13`	`Patlabor221`	`then folow the instructions`
`21:08.24`	`creeperz`	`Ok, I'm going to install it now`
`21:08.26`	`creeperz`	`Cool?`
`21:08.36`	`Patlabor221`	`you have a clear partition?`
`21:08.37`	`doughecka`	`it will wipe XP`
`21:08.39`	`doughecka`	`er`
`21:08.40`	`doughecka`	`windows`
`21:08.42`	`creeperz`	`No dual boot`
`21:08.52`	`Patlabor221`	`do you have a clear parition on the drive?`
`21:08.56`	`Patlabor221`	`last time you did not`
`21:09.12`	`creeperz`	`Why do I need one for just installing 1 OS?`
`21:09.16`	`creeperz`	`I don't think I do`
`21:09.21`	`creeperz`	`need one*`
`21:09.22`	`Patlabor221`	`cus it has to have a place to put the data`
`21:09.35`	`creeperz`	`Can't it just overwrite WINDOWS?`
`21:09.41`	`Patlabor221`	`sure`
`21:09.43`	`creeperz`	`Ok`
`21:09.44`	`larsl`	`Are you sure you want that?`
`21:09.45`	`Patlabor221`	`but then no more windows`
`21:09.48`	`Patlabor221`	`no dual boot`
`21:09.52`	`creeperz`	`So`
`21:09.53`	`Patlabor221`	`linux only`
`21:09.59`	`Patlabor221`	`no windows games`
`21:10.01`	`creeperz`	`I'm getting XP on new computer, anyhw`
`21:10.20`	`larsl`	`Aren't there some distributions that can run from a partition-in-a-file-in-a-Windows-filesystem?`
`21:10.26`	`Patlabor221`	`if you want to wipe the machine then sure, just tell the redhat installer to "remove all paritions"`
`21:10.36`	`creeperz`	`Ok`
`21:10.47`	`creeperz`	`I'm going to try it now`
`21:10.48`	`Patlabor221`	`there are some distros that can run in the 95/98 windows dos thingy`
`21:10.50`	`doughecka`	`larsl: yea... my first linux was like that`
`21:10.55`	`Patlabor221`	`but I never got them to work`
`21:11.00`	`doughecka`	`actully, redhat 7 could do that`
`21:11.05`	`doughecka`	`it was sloooow`
`21:11.08`	`creeperz`	`Well, I'm going to try`
`21:11.25`	`creeperz`	`TTYL`
`21:11.26`	`Patlabor221`	`makre sure you write down your network setings`
`21:11.27`	`larsl`	`Looks like GCC 3.4 will support precompiled headers. I wonder how much faster compiling BZFlag will be.`
`21:11.31`	`Patlabor221`	`if you not DHCP`
`21:11.32`	`creeperz`	`Hmm?`
`21:11.40`	`creeperz`	`DHCP?`
`21:11.50`	`Patlabor221`	`is windows set to "automaticly obtain an IP address" ?`
`21:11.57`	`Patlabor221`	`in your network setup?`
`21:12.01`	`creeperz`	`It has a static`
`21:12.06`	`creeperz`	`Yes`
`21:12.13`	`creeperz`	`It is`
`21:12.16`	`Patlabor221`	`it's static? or is it automatic?`
`21:12.21`	`creeperz`	`Automatic`
`21:12.30`	`Patlabor221`	`ok then it's DHCP`
`21:12.30`	`creeperz`	`But I have the same IP all the time, anyhow`
`21:12.42`	`Patlabor221`	`a common way that IPs do it`
`21:12.49`	`Patlabor221`	`ok then linux "should" pick it up.`
`21:12.51`	`creeperz`	`Ok, I'm going to try now`
`21:12.51`	`larsl`	`I have DHCP, it changes a couple of times every year.`
`21:13.00`	`Patlabor221`	`good luck, victory or death, and all that.`
`21:13.04`	`creeperz`	`Yea`
`21:13.09`	`creeperz`	`:-)`
`21:13.17`	`doughecka`	`is it a USB modem?`
`21:13.23`	`creeperz`	`Yes`
`21:13.27`	`doughecka`	`ew`
`21:13.29`	`Patlabor221`	`eewww`
`21:13.30`	`creeperz`	`COUGH SUCKS!`
`21:13.37`	`Patlabor221`	`may not work under linux`
`21:13.45`	`creeperz`	`Oh well`
`21:13.50`	`creeperz`	`Only one way to find out`
`21:14.04`	`creeperz`	`See y'all later`
`21:17.12`	`Patlabor221`	`SOCK_DGRAM is UDP right?`
`21:17.23`	`Patlabor221`	`ahh there i it is :) IPPROTO_UDP`
`21:17.56`	`larsl`	`Patlabor221: Yes.`
`21:18.32`	`Patlabor221`	`and when you make a socket, it's not bound to any port initaly right?`
`21:18.36`	`larsl`	`Nope.`
`21:18.47`	`Patlabor221`	`k that's where SDL_NET differs`
`21:26.25`	`Patlabor221`	`think he'll ever make it back?`
`21:27.27`	`doughecka`	`hmm, lets hope.... oh never mind`
`21:28.57`	`captain_proton`	`argh`
`21:29.02`	`captain_proton`	`doughecka: stop being dumb`
`21:31.09`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh wow`
`21:31.13`	`Patlabor221`	`this is UDP only`
`21:31.20`	`captain_proton`	`hm?`
`21:31.45`	`Patlabor221`	`does it's own Reliable and Ordered UPD sends`
`21:31.52`	`captain_proton`	`interesting`
`21:32.29`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah I wonderd why it didn't listen on a TCP connection`
`21:41.51`	`doughecka`	`from people who are dead?`
`21:43.49`	`Patlabor221`	`dead`
`21:43.52`	`Patlabor221`	`:(`
`21:52.41`	`*** part/#bzflag greg1 (~admin@greghub.net1.nerim.net)`
`22:55.16`	`Noodleman`	`ftp://ftp.noodleroni.com/pub/otherstuff/soft_drink_formula.pdf`
`22:55.30`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`22:55.40`	`Noodleman`	`it's good stuff :-)`
`23:19.31`	`captain_proton`	`which?`
`23:28.57`	`Patlabor221`	`net`
`23:28.57`	`Patlabor221`	`too nasty to hook into sdl`
`23:28.57`	`Patlabor221`	`redoing in a simpler method`
`23:29.38`	`Patlabor221`	`SDL_Net tried to make UDP work kinda like TCP and gave it "psudo-connections"`
`23:30.20`	`Patlabor221`	`it didn't want to jive with the UDP relyable method that the class was trying to do`
`23:31.14`	`*** join/#bzflag bzfrank (~chatzilla@dip-45-111.schwaben.de)`
`23:31.17`	`bzfrank`	`hi`
`23:31.26`	`Patlabor221`	`supzor`
`23:31.31`	`bzfrank`	`hi pat`
`23:32.25`	`bzfrank`	`how are things?`
`23:32.29`	`Noodleman`	`whatup?`
`23:32.44`	`Patlabor221`	`today has been interesting`
`23:32.46`	`bzfrank`	`whaaaaaatsssssssuppp!`
`23:32.49`	`bzfrank`	`:)`
`23:32.53`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`23:33.12`	`bzfrank`	`pat: why?`
`23:33.22`	`Noodleman`	`kinda reminds me of a budweiser commercial`
`23:33.22`	`Patlabor221`	`just lots of little things`
`23:33.42`	`Patlabor221`	`and trying to grok old network code.`
`23:33.43`	`Noodleman`	`i don't know if you ever saw that in deutchland`
`23:34.05`	`bzfrank`	`well, DIVX makes it possible ;)`
`23:34.10`	`Noodleman`	`~spell deutchland`
`23:34.12`		`possible spellings for deutchland: Richland Devland southland Dutchman Shetland bushland dockland deckhand heathland Rutland Dutchman's declined deplaned Toland dairyland Jutland outland wetland`
`23:34.20`	`Patlabor221`	`divx makes all things a reality`
`23:34.23`	`Noodleman`	`bah`
`23:34.24`	`bzfrank`	`try deutschland`
`23:34.35`	`Noodleman`	`there we go :-)`
`23:34.36`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`23:34.42`	`Patlabor221`	`that germany place`
`23:34.49`	`bzfrank`	`exactly`
`23:35.24`	`bzfrank`	`today our population went ape, the government up'ed taxes on tabbaco by 1 Euro per pack`
`23:35.34`	`Noodleman`	`ouch`
`23:35.46`	`bzfrank`	`now 20 cigarettes cost > 4 Euro`
`23:35.52`	`Noodleman`	`gee`
`23:35.57`	`bzfrank`	`thankfully I do not smoke ;)`
`23:36.15`	`Noodleman`	`one euro is a little bit bigger than a dollar, right?`
`23:36.22`	`bzfrank`	`pat: and - found anything interesting?`
`23:36.29`	`bzfrank`	`yes, 1:1.07 I believe`
`23:36.56`	`Patlabor221`	`with net code? yes I determined it was all crap and am re-implementing it.`
`23:37.09`	`bzfrank`	`best way...`
`23:37.36`	`bzfrank`	`did you get p2501 to run finally?`
`23:37.41`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`23:37.51`	`Patlabor221`	`still dies in image stuff`
`23:37.59`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't know why`
`23:38.13`	`bzfrank`	`I can pack up my whole project envirnment if you like`
`23:38.25`	`Patlabor221`	`that may be the only way`
`23:38.45`	`bzfrank`	`do you like with SDL_image?`
`23:38.49`	`bzfrank`	`link...`
`23:39.06`	`Patlabor221`	`I took it out after you send me the older console stuff`
`23:39.38`	`*** join/#bzflag paul__ ([kMY57Lfzp@hibernia.jakma.org)`
`23:39.52`	`bzfrank`	`i'll pack up the stuff tomorrow`
`23:40.02`	`Patlabor221`	`k`
`23:41.24`	`bzfrank`	`so what are your plans for network?`
`23:41.45`	`Patlabor221`	`get mad at it and then drink beers`
`23:42.10`	`bzfrank`	`that sounds like a good idea to me ;)`
`23:42.13`	`Patlabor221`	`then lament and go "why you allways gotta make me hurt ya babby?"`
`23:43.06`	`Patlabor221`	`realy right now I'm just reworking the low level API`
`23:43.17`	`Patlabor221`	`making it used SDL_NET for transport`
`23:43.31`	`Patlabor221`	`and doing the simple client/message managment`
`23:44.17`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah I wonderd that as well`
`23:44.30`	`bzfrank`	`like HawkNL`
`23:44.35`	`Patlabor221`	`the old lib I had did some neat stuff ( was all UDP )`
`23:44.50`	`Patlabor221`	`but it was some realy old code, and was only winsoc`
`23:45.40`	`bzfrank`	`just throw in SDL_net instead...`
`23:46.15`	`Patlabor221`	`well SDL_NET does it UDP a bit difrent and there would have been a fair amount of rewrite.`
`23:46.38`	`Patlabor221`	`the chanel thing did not jive with the old method`
`23:54.34`	`bzfrank`	`brb`
`23:58.04`	`bzfrank`	`back`
`23:59.06`	`doughecka`	`front`
`23:59.10`	`bzfrank`	`side`

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