| 00:00.00 | patlabor221 | yes this is just a test |
| 00:00.11 | patlabor221 | it's all wraped in functions so it's easy to change. |
| 00:00.38 | TimRiker | I had pictured one file with user:password:rtewjk type thing where the letters were the permissions that user had. |
| 00:01.02 | patlabor221 | it could be done like that |
| 00:01.12 | patlabor221 | but then I don't think people would share databases |
| 00:01.21 | patlabor221 | cus someone with shutdown access on one, would get it on all. |
| 00:01.29 | TimRiker | again, not a big deal. anything that works is better than where we are today. ;-) |
| 00:01.34 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:02.19 | TimRiker | could do a group file as group:member,member,member etc. |
| 00:02.26 | patlabor221 | my idea is uername/pass/karma in one DB that can be shared, one DB with the users groups and any explicid allows are denys, and something that defines what the groups do. |
| 00:02.52 | TimRiker | yeah. whatever. ;-) |
| 00:02.54 | patlabor221 | well the group says what the group allows, like cop:kick,ban,unban |
| 00:03.08 | patlabor221 | then you add the group to people |
| 00:03.31 | TimRiker | that works. |
| 00:03.54 | patlabor221 | the big problem with the cops was server admins didn't want to give admin to any of the cops |
| 00:04.25 | patlabor221 | I think people will like the /ghost as well |
| 00:04.42 | TimRiker | you could have bzfs login on the cops site using the user/pw presented. ;-) |
| 00:05.01 | patlabor221 | yes that would be an option |
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| 00:05.17 | k | hey all |
| 00:05.21 | TimRiker | just have to trust an admin before sending your pw to the server |
| 00:05.28 | patlabor221 | later I wanted to look into making it take a mysql DB URL in the file. |
| 00:05.51 | TimRiker | wild |
| 00:06.31 | TimRiker | o k. he left. /me cracks himself up |
| 00:15.25 | patlabor221 | well that's enough for today, /identify, /register, /ghost, the permisions, and all the file i/o is all hooked up :) |
| 00:21.47 | bzfrank | testing is good |
| 00:23.24 | patlabor221 | true |
| 00:25.58 | patlabor221 | time to go fix stuff |
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| 02:21.40 | ski | hi all |
| 02:21.46 | doughecka | nope sorry, we are all out |
| 02:21.57 | ski | heh |
| 02:22.15 | ski | lookinf for anyone...no ones playin ctf tonight |
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| 04:08.48 | iLLf8d | hrm |
| 04:08.51 | iLLf8d | lo all |
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| 04:25.09 | creeperz | Hello |
| 04:25.30 | creeperz | The weirdest thing happened yesterday |
| 04:26.36 | creeperz | My friend was repairing his computer the other day, little more memory (I told him to do this BTW), a 56K modem from his ol, likr what, 28.8K modem |
| 04:26.54 | creeperz | I gave him my oldie |
| 04:27.47 | creeperz | Then he got pissed off at it because it wouldn't fix EXACTLY perfect so he took a magnetic screwdriver and stabbed his motherboard repeatidly |
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| 04:28.46 | creeperz | Hi |
| 04:28.48 | creeperz | :-) |
| 04:29.11 | creeperz | Patlabor221? |
| 04:29.15 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 04:29.31 | creeperz | What's my username and password for creeperz.bakadigital.com again? |
| 04:30.10 | creeperz | Where is noodleman? |
| 04:30.10 | Patlabor221 | *sigh* username was terryc |
| 04:30.16 | Patlabor221 | don't recall your pass |
| 04:30.19 | creeperz | I thought it was terryC |
| 04:30.29 | iLLf8d | hmm hey all i'm trying to get bzedit to compile but I keep getting an error about it not finding gl or gtkglare both of which are installed |
| 04:30.33 | Patlabor221 | it may have been |
| 04:30.35 | creeperz | Or Terryc or TerryC |
| 04:30.50 | creeperz | Who ois that? |
| 04:30.58 | Patlabor221 | there were some header funkyness with lin BZE IIRC |
| 04:31.26 | Patlabor221 | there is a post on BZBB about someone who was having similar issues and what they did to resolve it. |
| 04:31.50 | creeperz | Patlabor221: I need some help, with me being new to RH and all |
| 04:31.51 | Patlabor221 | creeeper let me ssh in and see what it is |
| 04:31.58 | creeperz | Ok |
| 04:32.07 | creeperz | Linux in total |
| 04:32.23 | creeperz | 1). Where is BZFlag for Linux systems |
| 04:32.37 | creeperz | 2). What is the newest release for BZEdit? |
| 04:32.48 | creeperz | Oh crap |
| 04:32.55 | creeperz | Node bleed |
| 04:32.59 | creeperz | nose* |
| 04:33.32 | Patlabor221 | your username is terryC |
| 04:33.53 | Patlabor221 | as for bzflag, you can try an rpm, or build it |
| 04:34.07 | creeperz | I haven't a way to build it :-( |
| 04:34.11 | Patlabor221 | for bzedit, you will have to build it (and good luck geting that to go) |
| 04:34.13 | Patlabor221 | yes you do |
| 04:34.20 | Patlabor221 | did you install gcc? |
| 04:34.27 | creeperz | I did a full install |
| 04:34.30 | creeperz | So I must |
| 04:34.32 | Patlabor221 | then you have gcc |
| 04:34.51 | Patlabor221 | you want CVS? or g0? |
| 04:35.07 | creeperz | CVS? like... 1.8 yu mean? |
| 04:35.19 | creeperz | Or g1? |
| 04:35.28 | Patlabor221 | no I mean what will be G0 |
| 04:35.30 | Patlabor221 | sorry G2 |
| 04:35.32 | Patlabor221 | what you call G1 |
| 04:35.46 | creeperz | Sure |
| 04:35.58 | creeperz | What was my password though, again :-) I have bad memory |
| 04:36.07 | creeperz | And am almost asleep |
| 04:36.08 | Patlabor221 | I don't know |
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| 04:39.31 | creeperz | What port? |
| 04:39.44 | Patlabor221 | for what? |
| 04:39.51 | creeperz | To connect |
| 04:40.18 | creeperz | RSN? |
| 04:40.26 | creeperz | real soon now? |
| 04:40.36 | Patlabor221 | to connect for what? FTP? web? what? |
| 04:40.45 | creeperz | FTP |
| 04:40.50 | creeperz | creeperz.bakadigital.com |
| 04:41.02 | Patlabor221 | the normal FTP port |
| 04:41.04 | Patlabor221 | 21 |
| 04:41.22 | Patlabor221 | and you don't connect to creeperz.bakadigital.com |
| 04:41.30 | Patlabor221 | just asgard.bakdadigital.com |
| 04:41.45 | creeperz | So put what as my host? |
| 04:41.49 | creeperz | asgard... |
| 04:41.53 | Patlabor221 | asgard.bakdadigital.com |
| 04:42.59 | creeperz | Won't work |
| 04:43.18 | Patlabor221 | give me more info |
| 04:43.52 | creeperz | "Host: asgard.bakadigital.com"? |
| 04:44.18 | Patlabor221 | what is the flipin error |
| 04:44.24 | Patlabor221 | come on, I can't read your mind. |
| 04:44.59 | captain_proton | hiya all |
| 04:45.22 | Patlabor221 | sup G |
| 04:45.25 | creeperz | AHey |
| 04:45.44 | creeperz | And I think you CAN read my mind! :-| |
| 04:45.48 | captain_proton | "I'm just sayin', dogg, superstring theory may be the only beeyotch steppin' up right now as the possible grand unified theory of physics, but until we can experimentally verify that it be the shizznit, I ain't down wit it, cuz." |
| 04:45.55 | creeperz | I've got my eye on you !-| |
| 04:46.31 | Patlabor221 | word to the mutha cap, word to the mutha |
| 04:46.34 | creeperz | captain_proton: Quote from where? |
| 04:46.43 | Patlabor221 | that hesinberg be dope. |
| 04:46.46 | captain_proton | creeperz: a top5 list i'm on |
| 04:46.59 | captain_proton | "things you are least likely to hear a rapper say" |
| 04:47.14 | captain_proton | "This Zima is the shiznizzle, but two is my limit." |
| 04:47.29 | creeperz | :-) |
| 04:47.46 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 04:47.55 | captain_proton | "Ain't no such thing as 'too much banjo.'" |
| 04:49.40 | Patlabor221 | "needs more cow bell" |
| 04:50.18 | creeperz | Y'all seen dat coon?! |
| 04:50.35 | creeperz | <hillbilly> |
| 04:50.59 | creeperz | Everyone in my school has a different dialect, so-to-speak |
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| 04:52.31 | Patlabor221 | I think I'm a clone now |
| 04:53.08 | creeperz | Who ever heard of all the AIDs things about Huron, South Dakota? |
| 04:53.39 | Patlabor221 | don't rightly care |
| 04:53.48 | creeperz | Heh |
| 04:53.58 | creeperz | This town is the dumbest town ever |
| 04:54.30 | creeperz | And MTV said that this town was "Full of staying up long nights and partying and drugs, and sex." |
| 04:55.06 | Patlabor221 | that's nice |
| 04:55.31 | captain_proton | this music video makes me happy |
| 04:55.59 | creeperz | Anyway, the new computer I want compes with a firewall and cool new anti-virus that has free updats |
| 04:56.16 | Patlabor221 | there I reset your password |
| 04:56.19 | Patlabor221 | try it again |
| 04:57.38 | creeperz | Yippee-Skippy! |
| 04:59.58 | captain_proton | ooo |
| 05:00.02 | captain_proton | look at all the purdy forums |
| 05:00.18 | Patlabor221 | what like 4 more is it? |
| 05:00.46 | captain_proton | 5 |
| 05:01.02 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 05:01.05 | Patlabor221 | used to be 6 then |
| 05:01.10 | Patlabor221 | I ditched hiden test |
| 05:01.27 | captain_proton | only reason its 5 is because of p2501 beta |
| 05:01.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:01.56 | Patlabor221 | can probably merge that into normal p2501 |
| 05:02.31 | Patlabor221 | you find the admin link? |
| 05:02.36 | captain_proton | yep |
| 05:04.15 | captain_proton | heightfields suck |
| 05:04.40 | Patlabor221 | another idea? |
| 05:05.08 | Patlabor221 | winged edge? |
| 05:07.04 | captain_proton | parametric fractals ;) |
| 05:07.16 | Patlabor221 | how do you edit that? |
| 05:07.27 | captain_proton | change the parameters |
| 05:08.01 | Patlabor221 | how acurate is it to like make rivers and mountans and stuf? |
| 05:08.41 | captain_proton | well its a pain in the ass to INTEND to make rivers/etc |
| 05:08.50 | captain_proton | mountains are easy because its fractal terrain |
| 05:09.00 | creeperz | What does Baka mean? |
| 05:09.12 | captain_proton | in js we were planning to do fractal terrain + erosion simulation |
| 05:09.27 | captain_proton | creeperz: idiot |
| 05:09.52 | creeperz | Hey, just because I'm not that smart doesn't mean that you have to call me names |
| 05:10.09 | creeperz | :-) |
| 05:10.32 | creeperz | 1-0 creeperz |
| 05:10.37 | creeperz | ;-) |
| 05:10.58 | captain_proton | creeperz: either you're being facetious, which i doubt somewhat, or you misunderstand me |
| 05:12.14 | Patlabor221 | ohh so just random crap |
| 05:12.20 | Patlabor221 | it's not that hard to make it right |
| 05:12.23 | Patlabor221 | if you have tools |
| 05:12.44 | Patlabor221 | creeper baka means idiot, baka |
| 05:13.24 | iLLf8d | captain_proton: got any idea what I need to add to my ./configure flags to get it to acknowldedge bzedit's gtkglare and ogl setup in debian? |
| 05:13.51 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: checked up on config.log to see why the test is failing? |
| 05:14.50 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 05:15.30 | iLLf8d | ok I guess not that I see anything that I'm undrestanding much |
| 05:15.52 | iLLf8d | configure:3666: result: no |
| 05:15.52 | iLLf8d | configure:3676: error: Cannot find gtkglarea |
| 05:15.57 | iLLf8d | that what i'm looking for? |
| 05:16.07 | iLLf8d | configure: failed program was: |
| 05:16.07 | iLLf8d | #line 3629 "configure" |
| 05:16.07 | iLLf8d | #include "confdefs.h" |
| 05:16.19 | creeperz | Patlabor221: I knew what Baka meant before you made Bakadigital.com (I think) at least before I ever heard of it |
| 05:16.41 | creeperz | Patlabor221: The screamers site looks awesome |
| 05:16.47 | creeperz | Very commendable |
| 05:16.49 | iLLf8d | /usr/include/gtkgl-2.0/gtkgl/gtkglarea.h |
| 05:16.49 | iLLf8d | /usr/include/gtkgl/gtkglarea |
| 05:16.55 | iLLf8d | dunno I must havem them tho |
| 05:17.00 | Patlabor221 | thanks, I still think it needs more work tho |
| 05:17.23 | creeperz | Not much |
| 05:17.30 | iLLf8d | doesn't look like its finding the ogl either tho thats in too |
| 05:17.32 | Patlabor221 | it's too flat |
| 05:17.36 | creeperz | Oh, I like the message under the girl in the upper-left :-) |
| 05:17.58 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: dcc me the log |
| 05:18.04 | creeperz | Wanna see flat? Look at mine! :-) |
| 05:18.36 | Patlabor221 | it's the same as yours, |
| 05:18.39 | Patlabor221 | all on one page |
| 05:18.41 | Patlabor221 | flat |
| 05:19.40 | creeperz | But you know how to make your site look better |
| 05:19.48 | captain_proton | this music video makes me very happy |
| 05:20.02 | creeperz | There a recent Linux build for Screamers? |
| 05:20.11 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: LDFLAGS=-lpthread ./configure |
| 05:20.14 | Patlabor221 | there are no linux binarys |
| 05:20.32 | Patlabor221 | linux does not allways play well with bins, so you usualy have to build stuff |
| 05:20.58 | creeperz | :-/ |
| 05:21.03 | creeperz | That's cool |
| 05:21.11 | Patlabor221 | just get from cvs and get scons and build |
| 05:21.16 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 05:21.18 | creeperz | Next month, I'll have XP in my new computer anyhow |
| 05:21.20 | iLLf8d | looks like its going further |
| 05:21.24 | iLLf8d | what'd that do for me? |
| 05:21.36 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: the test was failing because it couldn't find the pthread library |
| 05:21.44 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: what distro? |
| 05:21.51 | iLLf8d | debian sid |
| 05:21.57 | captain_proton | ah right you said deb |
| 05:22.13 | creeperz | Heh |
| 05:22.20 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: line 219 |
| 05:22.25 | creeperz | You liked to RvB on Screamers :-) |
| 05:22.34 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 05:22.34 | creeperz | linked* |
| 05:23.19 | captain_proton | oh dear |
| 05:23.27 | captain_proton | i seem to have exhausted my cookie stash up here |
| 05:23.44 | Patlabor221 | time for a cookie raid |
| 05:23.48 | captain_proton | yep |
| 05:23.52 | creeperz | You should put "(Mild Language)" in very small text under the button or beside it |
| 05:23.59 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 05:24.00 | creeperz | :-) |
| 05:24.13 | creeperz | No idea |
| 05:24.17 | Patlabor221 | if people can't decide what to watch for themselves screw em |
| 05:24.21 | creeperz | Heh |
| 05:24.29 | creeperz | It was a half-serious joke |
| 05:24.42 | creeperz | They sure as hell don't use "mild language" in RvB |
| 05:24.47 | Patlabor221 | mine was half joking seriousness |
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| 05:25.21 | iLLf8d | hmm that the section in question: : undefined reference to `pthread_setspecific' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status configure:3559: $? = 1 configure: failed program was: #line 3537 "configure" #include "confdefs.h |
| 05:25.25 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you ever listened to the interweb skit? |
| 05:25.46 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 05:26.05 | iLLf8d | hrm crash and burn ok probably missing something this time |
| 05:26.24 | creeperz | Well, bed time! |
| 05:26.30 | creeperz | Gotta get up EARLY! |
| 05:26.34 | creeperz | 5:00 |
| 05:27.15 | creeperz | I am not loading sites :-/ |
| 05:27.24 | captain_proton | huh |
| 05:28.27 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.31 | creeperz | Well isn't that a big ol' kick in the teeth |
| 05:28.34 | captain_proton | hiky ak|ra |
| 05:28.41 | creeperz | Hi |
| 05:28.41 | captain_proton | creeperz: what are you driveling about |
| 05:28.57 | creeperz | "I am not loading sites :-/" |
| 05:29.16 | creeperz | Best friend in the world! Nerr |
| 05:29.17 | captain_proton | and what does that mean? your interweb cordy thingy is broken? |
| 05:29.33 | creeperz | "Am I talking to you" |
| 05:29.38 | creeperz | I really am |
| 05:29.49 | Patlabor221 | canadians and there skitsa |
| 05:29.53 | creeperz | But you're really inside of a program |
| 05:30.12 | creeperz | Hockey and beer sounds like a professional combo right there |
| 05:30.13 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i feel sorry for sheldon |
| 05:30.32 | captain_proton | especially the part about paint |
| 05:30.57 | creeperz | Ohhh, you very sneaky American |
| 05:31.03 | Patlabor221 | latex and bondage |
| 05:31.31 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 05:31.36 | iLLf8d | now its not finding gnome either |
| 05:32.08 | Patlabor221 | heh my dad IS renovating the kitchen |
| 05:32.27 | Patlabor221 | reminds me of the dead ale wives |
| 05:35.17 | Patlabor221 | you would like Karma Slave |
| 05:36.12 | Patlabor221 | http://bakadigital.com/darkmoor-noshare/soundtracks/Titan%20AE/09%20Splashdown%20-%20Karma%20Slave.mp3 |
| 05:37.29 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:37.30 | captain_proton | Your search - "refurbished condom" - did not match any documents. |
| 05:42.27 | ak|ra | some here who set up spamassasin properly? |
| 05:43.42 | captain_proton | doodeedoo |
| 05:45.13 | ak|ra | you? |
| 05:46.23 | captain_proton | not me |
| 05:47.15 | iLLf8d | captain_proton: can't find gnome either got any ideas? |
| 05:47.27 | iLLf8d | tho they're installed |
| 05:48.07 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: config.log again |
| 05:50.01 | ak|ra | captain_proton: any other spamstuff installed? |
| 05:51.00 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 05:51.02 | iLLf8d | one sec |
| 05:51.06 | iLLf8d | probably stupid pilot error |
| 05:52.17 | captain_proton | ak|ra: the university uses spamassassin, and I have some specific rules for offenders who continually hit me with sthff that gets through |
| 05:52.58 | iLLf8d | ok its up again |
| 05:53.13 | ak|ra | mhh .. i try to get it installed locally on my uni-account coz the university -> the _cs_ department has nothing such things installed and i got pissed of by spam |
| 05:56.22 | iLLf8d | hmm got in libgnome-dev and libgnome2-dev theres a libgome.h but no gnome.h |
| 05:58.44 | iLLf8d | captain_proton: i'm also updating the wiki with the infos you're giving me (theres already a page on the failed ./configure |
| 06:01.05 | captain_proton | hmm, config.log isn't showing it |
| 06:01.37 | iLLf8d | ok maybe I should cvs a new tree |
| 06:01.44 | captain_proton | cvs? |
| 06:01.47 | iLLf8d | its having troubles finding gnome.h |
| 06:02.02 | captain_proton | is that where you got this? |
| 06:02.10 | iLLf8d | I copied over an old bzedit path you gave me (listed as 2.1) |
| 06:02.33 | iLLf8d | I didn't cvs cause in the past you usually said you had a newer version then those on the site |
| 06:02.48 | ak|ra | how do i had private installed perl modules to the perl search path? |
| 06:02.49 | captain_proton | ibot: bzedit? |
| 06:02.50 | | hmm... bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 06:02.50 | iLLf8d | tho dunno if thats still the case or not |
| 06:03.04 | captain_proton | the one in cvs is ooooold |
| 06:03.17 | iLLf8d | yeah thats what I thought |
| 06:05.02 | Patlabor221 | see ya alll |
| 06:06.15 | iLLf8d | t.cpp' || echo './'`bzedit.cpp bzedit.cpp:1:19: gnome.h: No such file or directory In file included from globals.h:3, from bzedit.cpp:4: ui_main.h:4:19: gnome.h: No such file or directory In file included from ui_main.h:9, from globals.h:3, from bzedit.cpp:4: callbacks.h:4:19: gnome.h: No such file or directory In file included from ui_main.h:9, |
| 06:06.27 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 06:07.54 | captain_proton | maybe you've got the libraries package but not the headers? |
| 06:08.32 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 06:09.02 | iLLf8d | added in libgnome-dev and libgnome2-dev will see if I can search for it, although I think the search is in installed packages not those i'm missing too |
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| 10:15.19 | bomber_ | moin |
| 10:18.12 | jraitala | hello |
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| 12:17.55 | larsl | I'm getting timeouts from bzbb.bzflag.org. |
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| 14:16.38 | doughecka | ho |
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| 14:40.17 | doughecka | greetings |
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| 14:42.08 | doughecka | .. |
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| 14:51.45 | Jormungandr | anyone know of velocity bug is fixed in newest cvs? |
| 14:51.55 | larsl | I think so. |
| 14:52.31 | Jormungandr | I'm about to restart secretplace, so I guess we'll find out. |
| 14:52.41 | Chestal | well, there's a new option now |
| 14:52.48 | Chestal | you can specify the tolerance factor |
| 14:53.12 | Jormungandr | is the default broken? |
| 14:53.13 | larsl | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/bzflag/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx?only_with_tag=v1_7 |
| 14:53.15 | Chestal | if you think you innocent peopel get kicked, increase it |
| 14:53.23 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 14:53.31 | larsl | 1.85.2.200 |
| 14:53.46 | david_v_away | hmm |
| 14:57.20 | Jormungandr | hrm. if I don't go out and visit the botanical garden now, it'll be 104 and too hot to do it later. |
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| 15:55.02 | darek | '=] |
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| 16:46.14 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:27.54 | TTT_ | hi there |
| 18:28.12 | TTT_ | how to config my firewall ??? |
| 18:31.55 | larsl | To do what? |
| 18:32.45 | TTT_ | i want to start public bzflagserver |
| 18:33.13 | larsl | You need to open the ports that your server is using. The default is 5155 and 5156 (I think, but check the manual to make sure). |
| 18:38.16 | TTT_ | larsl: pls try to connect 195.138.149.123:5600 |
| 18:40.00 | larsl | It says 'Error connecting to server.'. |
| 18:40.26 | larsl | It seems to connect to the first port though... are you sure that you have opened the reconnect port in your firewall? |
| 18:41.23 | TTT_ | ok i try to open second port |
| 18:41.34 | TTT_ | but UDP or TCP ? |
| 18:41.57 | larsl | Both. |
| 18:41.59 | larsl | I think. |
| 18:44.24 | larsl | I get the protocol version, so it must be connecting to the first port. |
| 18:47.35 | TTT_ | ok i have opened 5600 and 5601 port |
| 18:48.04 | larsl | I seem to reconnect now, but I get "Error downloading world database". |
| 18:48.17 | larsl | Now I'm in. =) |
| 18:48.42 | larsl | A lot of lag though. |
| 18:49.12 | larsl | What kind of connection do you have? |
| 18:51.41 | TTT_ | ok great :)))) |
| 18:51.44 | TTT_ | thanks |
| 18:51.50 | TTT_ | very much |
| 18:52.22 | TTT_ | my connection is very very slow :( |
| 18:52.23 | TTT_ | dialup |
| 18:57.33 | JBDiGriz | Was there any further info on the server shell exploit? |
| 18:59.57 | larsl | Yes, it was fixed. =) |
| 19:00.11 | larsl | I still haven't seen the actual exploit. |
| 19:00.17 | larsl | Just the DOS code. |
| 19:04.39 | JBDiGriz | I thought there was a separate problem, bzdeath DOS, and server shell. |
| 19:04.45 | JBDiGriz | Were they the same thing? |
| 19:05.39 | larsl | Oh... if the shell exploit wasn't based on bzdeath, I don't know if it's been fixed. |
| 19:06.11 | JBDiGriz | I wasn't sure if it had even been verified, or was still a rumor. |
| 19:06.26 | larsl | Well, I haven't seen it. |
| 19:11.43 | Chestal | I don't think there is a shell exploit |
| 19:11.55 | TTT_ | bye |
| 19:12.07 | TTT_ | larsl: thanks for help |
| 19:12.08 | Chestal | the bzdeath source code contains some comments that thenext step would be an exploit, that's probably the source of that rumour |
| 19:12.48 | JBDiGriz | That makes more sense. I only heard it from hinman on this board. |
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| 19:26.58 | captain_proton | farking cable |
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| 19:52.02 | rooter | ~ducati6 |
| 19:57.58 | rooter | ~ducati6 |
| 19:58.55 | rooter | ~ducatictf |
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| 20:01.20 | ak|ra | e |
| 20:01.35 | ak|ra | Chestal: buh |
| 20:02.23 | [dmp] | ak|ra: think he is playing on ducati |
| 20:04.41 | ak|ra | ~ducati6 |
| 20:04.42 | ak|ra | ~ducati5 |
| 20:04.48 | Chestal | hi akira |
| 20:04.56 | ak|ra | Chestal: bin uni |
| 20:05.09 | Chestal | probier mal 5156 als Obs |
| 20:06.53 | larsl | ~x de en probier mal 5156 als Obs |
| 20:07.05 | larsl | Hmm. |
| 20:08.30 | Chestal | hehe, great translation |
| 20:08.30 | patlabor221 | ugg belly hurt :( |
| 20:09.31 | larsl | What does Obs mean? I think I understood the rest. |
| 20:10.32 | ak|ra | observer |
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| 20:10.38 | larsl | Of course. =) |
| 20:10.58 | larsl | "generic terms"... |
| 20:11.04 | larsl | ~x de en Obs |
| 20:13.38 | rooter | ~ducatictf |
| 20:13.40 | rooter | ~ducati6 |
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| 20:15.57 | sandym | hi |
| 20:17.10 | sandym | does bzflag work on win95? |
| 20:19.02 | captain_proton | sure |
| 20:20.11 | sandym | great |
| 20:21.56 | sandym | can i have it? |
| 20:22.12 | captain_proton | its on the sourceforge download page |
| 20:22.48 | sandym | where? |
| 20:23.02 | patlabor221 | www.bzflag.org has links to it all |
| 20:24.10 | captain_proton | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-17g0.exe?download |
| 20:24.30 | sandym | 10x |
| 20:25.27 | sandym | do i need a 3d card? |
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| 20:25.56 | sandym | do i need a 3d card? |
| 20:26.24 | sandym | i have only a super vga |
| 20:26.37 | captain_proton | bzflag is playable with software rendering if you use the lowest graphics settings, but a 3d accelerator will make it look a lot better |
| 20:27.05 | sandym | oh thats great |
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| 20:30.09 | sandym | can i play it with the keyboard? |
| 20:30.49 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:31.05 | sandym | cool |
| 20:31.33 | sandym | is it difficult? |
| 20:33.05 | sandym | my parents want to know all the games i play on pc, what should i do? |
| 20:33.17 | larsl | Huh? |
| 20:33.21 | larsl | Tell them? |
| 20:33.35 | sandym | but maybe they dont like it |
| 20:34.34 | sandym | can i hide it? |
| 20:34.50 | sandym | somehow plz? |
| 20:34.54 | patlabor221 | it's not bloody or violent or anything |
| 20:35.03 | patlabor221 | it's just files, hiding it is up to you |
| 20:35.11 | sandym | how? |
| 20:35.17 | patlabor221 | dono |
| 20:35.31 | patlabor221 | you could keep it in a zip file. |
| 20:35.39 | larsl | I doubt you parents will stop you from playing it. And if they do, I'm not going to tell you how to fool them. =) |
| 20:36.00 | patlabor221 | yeah I don't think cell's parents want him playing bad games. |
| 20:37.18 | patlabor221 | he could at least change his machine name. |
| 20:37.38 | larsl | That was him? |
| 20:38.27 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:38.42 | patlabor221 | he used sandy more as his machine name yesterday |
| 20:38.50 | patlabor221 | and the speach patern was the same. |
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| 20:49.34 | [TeA|TrEE] | n8 |
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| 20:52.40 | ak|ra | :)) |
| 20:52.44 | ak|ra | night all |
| 20:55.28 | rooter | bye |
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| 20:59.54 | KR | hi all |
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| 21:34.57 | [dmp] | Chestal: you there? |
| 21:35.23 | Chestal | yes |
| 21:35.30 | Chestal | was wondering where you've been |
| 21:35.33 | [dmp] | cant get bzflag running :-| |
| 21:35.36 | Chestal | uhm |
| 21:35.42 | Chestal | what happens? |
| 21:35.43 | [dmp] | complains about missing GLX |
| 21:36.03 | Chestal | hmm, I guess you have to install the correct mesa version |
| 21:36.08 | [dmp] | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 21:36.09 | Chestal | which flavour of Linux is it? |
| 21:36.20 | [dmp] | debian |
| 21:36.32 | Chestal | try xdpyinfo|grep -i glx |
| 21:37.02 | [dmp] | nothing. i guess its right. |
| 21:37.19 | Chestal | I amnot quite sure, I think you need to have glx activated in the X server even for software rendering |
| 21:37.33 | Chestal | edit /etc/X11/XF86Config (or ..-4) |
| 21:37.34 | [dmp] | (II) Loading extension GLX |
| 21:37.36 | [dmp] | (EE) [GLX]: Failed to add GLX extension (NVIDIA XFree86 driver not found) |
| 21:37.49 | Chestal | hmm |
| 21:38.01 | Chestal | so you already tried to install the nvidia drivers? |
| 21:38.16 | [dmp] | yes, they other day.. but didnt get it working. |
| 21:38.23 | [dmp] | perhaps i shoudl try to remove and reinstall x |
| 21:38.39 | Chestal | I'm checkign which packet cotains libglx |
| 21:39.01 | larsl | Probably X. |
| 21:39.38 | Chestal | yes, xserver-xfree86 itself |
| 21:39.56 | Chestal | /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a |
| 21:40.03 | Chestal | I guess your nivida isntall repalced that |
| 21:40.20 | [dmp] | i load (in modules section): GLcore, bitmap, dbe, ddc, dri, extmod, freetype, glx, int10, record, speedo, type1, vbe. |
| 21:40.21 | [dmp] | hmm |
| 21:40.49 | [dmp] | i got driver "nv".. this would proberly be nvidia.. |
| 21:41.09 | captain_proton | [dmp]: you shouldn't load dri |
| 21:41.12 | larsl | 'nv' is the free version without hardware rendering. |
| 21:41.37 | Chestal | I never quite understood how everything works together |
| 21:41.41 | larsl | You should use 'nvidia'. |
| 21:41.53 | patlabor221 | the new nividia installer script thing is rather slick |
| 21:42.02 | Chestal | well, we wanted to try software renderign for now |
| 21:42.17 | larsl | Ah. |
| 21:42.18 | Chestal | because we are trying to debug a lag-like problem dmp has when he plays on windows |
| 21:42.30 | Chestal | workign nvidia drievrs would be fine, too |
| 21:42.39 | [dmp] | so it should be "nv" ? |
| 21:43.03 | patlabor221 | "nvidia" is the ones that use hardware. |
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| 21:43.38 | Chestal | my XFree86.0.log says |
| 21:43.42 | Chestal | (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a |
| 21:43.43 | Chestal | (II) Module glx: vendor="The XFree86 Project" |
| 21:44.33 | [dmp] | (II) LoadModule: "glx" |
| 21:44.33 | [dmp] | (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
| 21:44.33 | [dmp] | (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" |
| 21:45.32 | Chestal | I guess you ave a glx/driver mismatch |
| 21:45.54 | Chestal | pat: uh? |
| 21:46.08 | patlabor221 | just looked at the AUTHORS file :) |
| 21:46.10 | [dmp] | hmm i gonna try to reinstall x, just to make sure that i got a prober x.. |
| 21:46.58 | Chestal | oh, never looked at that file |
| 21:47.13 | patlabor221 | nor had I :) |
| 21:47.20 | Chestal | dmp: well, I have to go home and to bed. good luck |
| 21:47.20 | patlabor221 | man that was back in the day |
| 21:47.42 | [dmp] | Chestal: thanks.. night |
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| 22:05.11 | patlabor221 | go for the eyes cap, go for the eyes!!! |
| 22:05.25 | captain_proton | whee |
| 22:05.39 | captain_proton | and i seem to be downloading a semi-decent copy of reloaded |
| 22:05.42 | captain_proton | =) |
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| 22:10.24 | [dmp] | got it working :) |
| 22:10.51 | larsl | What was the problem? |
| 22:11.25 | [dmp] | Dunno, Think that this libglx was replaced with a nvidia libglx when i tried to install nvidia hardware support |
| 22:11.34 | [dmp] | so reinstalling xfree did the trick |
| 22:11.48 | captain_proton | haha |
| 22:12.58 | [dmp] | But anyway, using software redering (every gfx feature disabled) run much more smoothly than when i play from windows (with hardware rendering) .. I guess my lagging is related to my windows somehow. |
| 22:13.30 | [dmp] | i get like 24 fps with software rendering.. and it feels sooo smooth.. on windows i get like 60-70fps.. |
| 22:13.42 | patlabor221 | what card? |
| 22:13.56 | patlabor221 | and want drivers on windows? |
| 22:14.10 | [dmp] | GEForce and nvidia drivers |
| 22:14.20 | patlabor221 | what GF? and what version of the drivers? |
| 22:14.35 | [dmp] | but my w2k installation is from mid 1999, so everything runs slowly. |
| 22:14.49 | [dmp] | cant remember, i need to reboot to find that info. |
| 22:15.13 | patlabor221 | you may want to try geting latest DX and the curent Nvidias |
| 22:15.57 | [dmp] | Ah.. I quite certain that my DX is very old. Hmm Gonan try that right away.. |
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| 22:35.17 | iLLf8d | guess theres a few new cheats out in ctf fields |
| 22:35.27 | captain_proton | oh? |
| 22:35.32 | iLLf8d | seems they can redirect flag captures to other teams |
| 22:35.41 | iLLf8d | and also control where flags go |
| 22:35.48 | doughecka | cool |
| 22:35.48 | captain_proton | yuk |
| 22:35.52 | iLLf8d | flags should drop in spot or fly to center |
| 22:36.03 | iLLf8d | apparently they can make them do other shit now |
| 22:36.22 | iLLf8d | and I was up one flag and down one flag and leading by 7 or 8 points |
| 22:36.26 | iLLf8d | so I shuold'be been at 0 |
| 22:36.34 | iLLf8d | tho I wasn't (and I started at 0) |
| 22:36.49 | iLLf8d | fuckers |
| 22:37.32 | iLLf8d | wow shuold'be =P |
| 22:37.32 | captain_proton | i think we need to completely redesign the protocol |
| 22:37.37 | iLLf8d | should've been |
| 22:37.38 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 22:38.24 | iLLf8d | yeah the score should be distributed |
| 22:38.31 | iLLf8d | client and server |
| 22:38.37 | iLLf8d | this way they can check on each other |
| 22:38.45 | larsl | Wouldn't it be better if it was completely centralized? |
| 22:38.49 | iLLf8d | no |
| 22:38.52 | patlabor221 | clients can't NEVER be trusted |
| 22:38.53 | patlabor221 | ever |
| 22:38.54 | larsl | And only the server can update the scores. |
| 22:38.56 | iLLf8d | a few cheaters run fields |
| 22:39.01 | patlabor221 | server has to be autenticated |
| 22:39.15 | patlabor221 | sorry authoritative |
| 22:39.27 | iLLf8d | if you make it a relationship where everyones keeping tally then the oddball out is reset or kicked |
| 22:39.29 | iLLf8d | one or the other |
| 22:39.37 | patlabor221 | you can't kick a server |
| 22:39.40 | patlabor221 | that makes no sense |
| 22:39.57 | patlabor221 | server has to rule all |
| 22:40.01 | iLLf8d | sure but you can set your client to warn you (and you can leave if you want) |
| 22:40.02 | larsl | You could, until Chestal fixed it. =) |
| 22:40.04 | patlabor221 | if somoen hacks a server, then just don't co there |
| 22:40.15 | iLLf8d | how are you gonna know? |
| 22:40.22 | patlabor221 | use your brain |
| 22:40.41 | patlabor221 | a client side sanity check could be a nice add on |
| 22:40.44 | iLLf8d | oh please they can do minute shite i'm sure that will barely be imperceptable |
| 22:40.47 | patlabor221 | but I would not base the protocll around it. |
| 22:40.57 | larsl | Oh, you were talking about cheating _servers_? |
| 22:41.10 | patlabor221 | yeah he wants the clients to double check the servers |
| 22:41.25 | iLLf8d | with bzflag why not |
| 22:41.36 | patlabor221 | you can't base anything on a majority, or a cheater just gets more hacked bots in and he wins on any server. |
| 22:41.57 | iLLf8d | i'm not saying clients rule |
| 22:42.11 | iLLf8d | i'm saying if the server and a few clients are saying one is bogus it goes |
| 22:42.15 | patlabor221 | I can see a client just saying hey something is wierd |
| 22:42.19 | iLLf8d | or if all the clients say the servers bogus theres a warning |
| 22:42.21 | iLLf8d | thats all |
| 22:42.26 | patlabor221 | I would not trust the clients at all |
| 22:42.43 | patlabor221 | what do you as a player care about other clients |
| 22:42.50 | patlabor221 | all you realy care about is you and the server |
| 22:43.02 | iLLf8d | normally I don't at all or even the server for that matter (in normal games) |
| 22:43.07 | *** join/#bzflag adr (~Andy@24.68.98.82) |
| 22:43.15 | iLLf8d | cheats even the playing field cause most of them are horrible bz players |
| 22:43.18 | iLLf8d | but in ctf it matters |
| 22:43.34 | patlabor221 | then go to trusted CTF servers |
| 22:43.37 | iLLf8d | when they can blow your hole team up when you're not the one being shot =P |
| 22:43.44 | patlabor221 | a cheater woudl have to run his own hacked server |
| 22:43.44 | adr | this is probably a common question, but why is everything moving super slow in win32? |
| 22:43.59 | patlabor221 | actualy it's not a common question |
| 22:44.05 | patlabor221 | what video card do you have? |
| 22:44.13 | patlabor221 | and what drivers |
| 22:44.19 | adr | hold on i check |
| 22:44.42 | patlabor221 | iLL if you ever do anything where your client trusts another client, you are screwed |
| 22:44.46 | iLLf8d | or change shot speed or distances |
| 22:44.56 | patlabor221 | that was posible in 1.8 |
| 22:45.07 | adr | I have a s3 ProSavage |
| 22:45.12 | iLLf8d | patlabor221: was? |
| 22:45.13 | captain_proton | yipes |
| 22:45.14 | patlabor221 | once the server is authoritve and sends all it's info to the clients that's psoible |
| 22:45.16 | patlabor221 | ewwww |
| 22:45.17 | iLLf8d | aren't we still 1.8? |
| 22:45.22 | patlabor221 | what drivers you have |
| 22:45.26 | patlabor221 | 1.8 is dead |
| 22:45.40 | iLLf8d | oh yeah I forget 1.7g2 |
| 22:45.48 | iLLf8d | dunno why you canned 1.8 |
| 22:45.49 | adr | 5.1.2001.0 is my driver version |
| 22:45.51 | patlabor221 | adr what drivers are you running |
| 22:46.04 | patlabor221 | those look like the default XP drivers |
| 22:46.18 | captain_proton | iLLf8d: because all these losers were too lazy to learn the new codebase |
| 22:46.29 | adr | probably are, should i go to the manufacturers website and ge ones form there? |
| 22:46.33 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:46.36 | adr | ok |
| 22:47.25 | patlabor221 | default drivers allway suck |
| 22:48.25 | patlabor221 | tho S3 is NFG now so geting drivers may be a pain. |
| 22:57.42 | *** join/#bzflag adr (~Andy@24.68.98.82) |
| 22:57.56 | adr | i installed th new driver, but it's still very slow :/ |
| 23:01.37 | adr | is there anything else i can do? |
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| 23:07.37 | patlabor221 | what verison of windows you have |
| 23:07.43 | patlabor221 | it's kind of a crapy card. |
| 23:07.56 | patlabor221 | they are gone |
| 23:09.53 | *** join/#bzflag adr (~Andy@24.68.98.82) |
| 23:10.11 | adr | why is it that trying to change the video mode restarts my computer? |
| 23:10.55 | patlabor221 | what OS? |
| 23:11.06 | adr | windows XP |
| 23:11.33 | patlabor221 | well that shoudl be a setting in the display options |
| 23:11.45 | patlabor221 | normaly you dn't have to do that |
| 23:12.02 | adr | yeah it was in there i tried changing it to 800x600 to speed it up a bit |
| 23:12.16 | adr | then my computer restarted :/ i tried twice |
| 23:12.44 | patlabor221 | thats not a good sign |
| 23:12.57 | patlabor221 | it restarted by it'sef? or asked you if you wanted to? |
| 23:13.13 | adr | no it restarted by itself |
| 23:13.20 | patlabor221 | that is realy not good |
| 23:13.23 | adr | :/ |
| 23:13.37 | patlabor221 | yousure you got XP drivers? |
| 23:13.41 | adr | the frequency is well in my montiors range as well |
| 23:13.44 | adr | yeah |
| 23:13.55 | patlabor221 | where did you get them? |
| 23:15.10 | adr | the s3 site |
| 23:15.29 | patlabor221 | at sonic blue? I didn't see any there. |
| 23:15.58 | adr | http://ranger.s3graphics.com/xplib/370xpdrv/ <-- here |
| 23:16.28 | patlabor221 | dono then |
| 23:17.44 | patlabor221 | it may be running as fast as it can |
| 23:17.53 | adr | :( |
| 23:18.23 | patlabor221 | runs fine for me on all OSs with nvidia cards |
| 23:19.03 | patlabor221 | if your in 32 bit color you may want to try lowing to 16 bit |
| 23:19.50 | adr | ok |
| 23:20.04 | patlabor221 | the savave dosn't have much fill rate |
| 23:20.13 | patlabor221 | and I thing the prosavage is there realy low end one. |
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| 23:22.47 | adr_ | ok i think i'm going to not try that again |
| 23:23.02 | patlabor221 | you shoudl realy get that restart thing fixed |
| 23:23.05 | patlabor221 | tha's not right |
| 23:23.18 | adr | i only have this problem with bzflag :/ |
| 23:23.38 | patlabor221 | restarting when you change a video seting is not a problem with bzflag |
| 23:23.58 | adr | well, i've done this with other games with no problem |
| 23:24.37 | adr | i can change the resolution with freecraft with no problems |
| 23:24.40 | patlabor221 | your display controll panel is part of the OS not the came |
| 23:24.55 | patlabor221 | or are you changing the res in BZ? |
| 23:24.59 | adr | yes |
| 23:25.02 | patlabor221 | ohh |
| 23:25.06 | patlabor221 | odd then |
| 23:25.11 | patlabor221 | it's just a normal DX call |
| 23:25.31 | adr | it looks like a fun game too :/ |
| 23:26.24 | patlabor221 | freecraft isn't a 3d game, there may be issues with your opengl |
| 23:26.34 | adr | that's possible |
| 23:26.52 | adr | unfortunately i haven't the money for a new graphics card |
| 23:28.01 | patlabor221 | cap where do you have to put the fmod lib? |
| 23:28.19 | captain_proton | for linux? |
| 23:28.23 | captain_proton | usually in /usr/lib |
| 23:28.26 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:28.31 | captain_proton | but it doesn't matter so long as its in LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 23:28.52 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 23:29.03 | patlabor221 | what is it you must send me? |
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| 23:29.29 | sussudio | can someone go to ducati and kick spiff off? |
| 23:30.11 | patlabor221 | I heard you died or something |
| 23:30.30 | sussudio | no i'm just avoiding the cell/doug crap in here |
| 23:30.51 | patlabor221 | what is spiff doing? |
| 23:31.11 | patlabor221 | and doug is off in zarus land |
| 23:31.13 | sussudio | not joining the game |
| 23:31.30 | sussudio | logging in as observer and filling the screen with crap as an alternative to irc |
| 23:31.36 | sussudio | and flooding the screen on purpose |
| 23:32.22 | sussudio | ok i've had enough |
| 23:32.29 | sussudio | that boy needs to be castrated |
| 23:33.29 | captain_proton | patlabor221: this avi :) |
| 23:33.51 | sussudio | before g2 is released, a few things need to be adjusted.... |
| 23:34.07 | sussudio | for example, just blow up/kick/ban anyone going outside the confines of the map |
| 23:34.20 | sussudio | don't allow objects outside the map (boxes, pyramids, FLAGS) |
| 23:34.24 | patlabor221 | there is one in CVS for that |
| 23:34.44 | sussudio | there's a cheater on intermip net that keeps going outside the map and putting flags there |
| 23:35.02 | captain_proton | so intermip is obviously not a CVS server |
| 23:35.14 | sussudio | if maps are returned to base when a rogue tries to put them on an enemy's base, why aren't they not returned if it goes outside them map? |
| 23:35.46 | sussudio | intermip also doesn't have a lagkick. |
| 23:36.01 | captain_proton | i have an idea |
| 23:36.05 | captain_proton | don't play on intermip |
| 23:36.05 | patlabor221 | they should update |
| 23:36.17 | sussudio | there was someone on there with 8000ms |
| 23:36.36 | sussudio | intermip is about 4 hops away from me, i get even less lag there than on ducati |
| 23:36.47 | sussudio | like 21ms |
| 23:36.49 | patlabor221 | so go over there and get them to update |
| 23:37.24 | sussudio | oh yeah, for some reason it's possible for boxes to appear inside bases. |
| 23:37.43 | sussudio | which is kinda nasty if you're trying to spawn. (locks up totally and makes your cpu toasty hot) |
| 23:38.09 | sussudio | i watched it go from 35 to 42 degrees C in about 2 minutes time |
| 23:38.57 | sussudio | does anyone know what happened to mrapathycream's page? |
| 23:39.05 | patlabor221 | he moved |
| 23:39.14 | sussudio | did the page move somewhere? |
| 23:39.25 | patlabor221 | thing he killed the ISP |
| 23:39.29 | patlabor221 | didn't get a new one |
| 23:40.05 | sussudio | the windows build i have now is a cvs version from january and it's kinda unstable |
| 23:40.51 | patlabor221 | well tim says G2 should be RSN |
| 23:43.43 | sussudio | how about denying < g0 clients in g2 so we can finally say goodbye to japanese cheater numbersboy |
| 23:43.57 | patlabor221 | g2 is the last compatable release |
| 23:44.02 | patlabor221 | the next one is a proto change |
| 23:44.49 | sussudio | would it be possible for bzflag to send a checksum of the executable to the server on connect and compare those against known versions? |
| 23:45.01 | patlabor221 | no |
| 23:45.02 | captain_proton | wouldn't work |
| 23:45.14 | sussudio | bleh. |
| 23:45.17 | patlabor221 | with all the varying linux builds and libs it would never work |
| 23:45.20 | captain_proton | whats to prevent cheaters from recording the checksum it sends and send the valid one? |
| 23:45.35 | patlabor221 | it just needs more server side authentications |
| 23:45.43 | patlabor221 | never trust a client |
| 23:45.47 | captain_proton | and it would make it a pain in the ass to develop |
| 23:46.01 | patlabor221 | yeah debug builds woudn't work |
| 23:46.24 | sussudio | i'm not saying deny connects, just log the checksums |
| 23:46.40 | patlabor221 | what would that do? |
| 23:46.43 | sussudio | that way you could at least identify cheat versions (executables) |
| 23:47.00 | sussudio | most cheaters won't build their own. |
| 23:47.20 | patlabor221 | then ban based on that? |
| 23:47.28 | captain_proton | so the author of the cheat makes it send a random string of characters |
| 23:47.29 | sussudio | as a possibility |
| 23:47.58 | patlabor221 | it wouldn't realy buy you anything |
| 23:48.18 | patlabor221 | a proto change to a server with an authorive game state would be better time spent |
| 23:48.28 | captain_proton | w000t |
| 23:48.32 | captain_proton | its done |
| 23:48.40 | captain_proton | -rw-r--r-- 1 jupiter users 727119958 May 22 17:38 the_matrix_reloaded.avi |
| 23:48.48 | sussudio | how about just kicking anyone going > 20 higher than the highest box |
| 23:49.01 | patlabor221 | that should be in CVS now |
| 23:49.07 | patlabor221 | the jump auto kick |
| 23:49.10 | patlabor221 | mack put it in. |
| 23:49.12 | sussudio | that'd get rid of that damn flying tank client |
| 23:49.37 | patlabor221 | CVS does a bit of checking now to get a lot of the vulgar clients |
| 23:49.40 | patlabor221 | you shoudl try it |
| 23:50.10 | patlabor221 | speed cheats, fast shots, outside limts, ect.. |
| 23:50.47 | sussudio | i'm want to see the expression on whoever pays the bandwith bill for intermip.net at the end of the month |
| 23:51.15 | patlabor221 | 4 hops, you should be able to go over there and see |
| 23:51.23 | sussudio | it's in england |
| 23:51.38 | patlabor221 | ok a walk and a bit of a swim :) |
| 23:51.52 | sussudio | at least ducati is over land |
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| 23:52.49 | sussudio | it's 16 hops now. for some reason the route goes partially via the USA |
| 23:52.50 | sussudio | ... |
| 23:53.18 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 23:53.48 | sussudio | i got a faster connection now. too bad about the crackass l2tp thing. |
| 23:54.28 | sussudio | i had to replace my trust 486/66 router with a p166 because l2tpd was eating up to 80% cpu decrypting the vpn stuff. |
| 23:55.54 | sussudio | l2tp is vpn without ipsec |
| 23:56.20 | sussudio | i have somewhat more than 800/128 now |
| 23:56.32 | rbergero | why not GRE then? |
| 23:56.43 | sussudio | what? |
| 23:56.52 | rbergero | ip_gre |
| 23:57.01 | sussudio | ask my isp or whoever did the eurodocsis thing |
| 23:57.11 | rbergero | ah |
| 23:57.30 | sussudio | it seems to be faster than pppoe |
| 23:57.57 | patlabor221 | I'm on pppoe and I get 1.5 megs down 256 up |
| 23:58.21 | sussudio | eurodocsis gets 10ms here, pppoe connections get about 35ms |