| 00:00.49 | TimRiker | back later |
| 00:05.23 | captain_proton | BAH |
| 00:05.30 | captain_proton | i hate it when users threaten not to upgrade |
| 00:06.47 | captain_proton | "if you won't do everything i want...i'll just stay at the old version! how do ya like THEM apples?! HUH?" |
| 00:07.11 | michaelh2 | there's some pretty radical changes of course.. since g0 |
| 00:07.18 | captain_proton | bah |
| 00:07.27 | michaelh2 | usually just have to throw in yet another option in the options menu :) |
| 00:07.29 | captain_proton | they're just unwilling to spend 2 hours getting used to the new colors |
| 00:07.35 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 00:07.49 | michaelh2 | the colors are neat, the blinking is just a tad annoying |
| 00:07.54 | michaelh2 | that was your doing? |
| 00:08.03 | captain_proton | trepan did most of the work |
| 00:08.07 | captain_proton | i made it a bit less hideous |
| 00:08.17 | michaelh2 | what is the process for encoding stuff? |
| 00:08.33 | captain_proton | it now embeds ANSI color codes in the text sent to the console |
| 00:09.05 | captain_proton | trepan: =} |
| 00:09.51 | trepan | i'm willing to help code up some options if that's what people want |
| 00:10.09 | trepan | i think they're probably right, but you could go option crazy |
| 00:10.33 | captain_proton | if you want to convert the "off" mode to "classic" go ahead |
| 00:10.39 | captain_proton | i just think it'll become a mess of if()s |
| 00:10.59 | trepan | will do then, they just want colors for messages I guess |
| 00:11.13 | captain_proton | they want it -exactly- as before |
| 00:11.16 | captain_proton | nothing can change! |
| 00:11.18 | captain_proton | no progress! |
| 00:11.45 | michaelh2 | I think the colors are cool |
| 00:11.53 | trepan | hehe, you sound a little disheartened |
| 00:12.10 | michaelh2 | so what are ansi color codes -- is that like BBS stuff? |
| 00:12.37 | captain_proton | michaelh2: its a group of escape codes defined by ANSI for showing color on terminals |
| 00:13.16 | trepan | uses the ESCAPE char to start, and then sort wierd stuff (like: \e01m) |
| 00:13.45 | captain_proton | should be ESC[<color #>;m |
| 00:13.52 | captain_proton | where <color #> is a code specifying which color |
| 00:14.15 | trepan | it also has bold, blinking, underline, invert, etc... attributes |
| 00:14.44 | trepan | cap, you want luminance level, or anything else that has been copmlained about? |
| 00:14.54 | captain_proton | nah |
| 00:15.05 | captain_proton | that can be done in a future rewrite thats -clean- |
| 00:15.15 | captain_proton | no reason to clutter it up beyond what people "need" to induce an upgrade |
| 00:15.19 | trepan | ok, just original style then |
| 00:16.23 | michaelh2 | so does \e01m get translated by the compiler or does it go through as \e01m? |
| 00:16.42 | michaelh2 | is just a byte or something? |
| 00:16.44 | captain_proton | michaelh2: look at src/ogl/OpenGLTexFont.cxx for the actual codes |
| 00:16.53 | captain_proton | michaelh2: its a number of bytes per code |
| 00:17.08 | michaelh2 | I mean is it like /n/r for example.... |
| 00:17.15 | michaelh2 | I take it it isn't |
| 00:17.23 | captain_proton | no |
| 00:17.42 | michaelh2 | so then all \'s need to be \\ right? |
| 00:18.09 | michaelh2 | whereever \ is used..... |
| 00:18.18 | captain_proton | no |
| 00:18.26 | captain_proton | the \033 are translated to that character by the compile |
| 00:18.27 | captain_proton | r |
| 00:18.39 | captain_proton | but thats just because we can't really type an ESC into the source |
| 00:18.59 | captain_proton | the actual color codes are interpreted by the control panel code |
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| 01:03.09 | Tupone | captain_proton: tok tok |
| 01:03.31 | captain_proton | ? |
| 01:03.52 | Tupone | Tim asked me to relink servers without GL/X |
| 01:04.23 | Tupone | I fixed it on Linux mine |
| 01:04.41 | Tupone | You know irix? |
| 01:04.49 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 01:04.53 | captain_proton | can't test it until tomorrow though |
| 01:04.59 | captain_proton | no remote access to that machine |
| 01:05.13 | Tupone | on configure.in there's a special case for linking X |
| 01:06.26 | Tupone | I'm really sleeping now. Can I commit and left the testing to ... someone else. My build on Linux work |
| 01:06.54 | captain_proton | can you just send me a diff and i'll take a look? |
| 01:07.05 | Tupone | Yeah! Where? |
| 01:07.11 | captain_proton | can you do DCC? |
| 01:07.19 | Tupone | We try! |
| 01:07.42 | captain_proton | not a chat - a file transfer |
| 01:08.07 | Tupone | I know but I need to prepare file. So ... just trying if some DCC work |
| 01:08.15 | captain_proton | ok |
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| 01:11.15 | Tupone | captain_proton: got it? |
| 01:11.32 | captain_proton | yep |
| 01:11.45 | Tupone | I'll go! 3 am here. Bye |
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| 01:12.04 | michaelh2 | but it's only 8pm |
| 01:12.07 | michaelh2 | :) |
| 01:12.19 | michaelh2 | he's from Italy? |
| 01:13.21 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 01:13.51 | michaelh2 | wowza |
| 01:14.08 | michaelh2 | no wonder we have a push for internationalization :) |
| 01:14.26 | captain_proton | nice to get some fresh meat^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hnew developers on the team |
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| 02:07.41 | michaelh2 | bleh |
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| 02:10.07 | michaelh2 | you have the "evil" comcast, huh? |
| 02:10.34 | michaelh2 | I suppose every big company gets flack from customers.... |
| 02:11.51 | michaelh2 | http://www.sucks500.com/ |
| 02:13.45 | michaelh2 | this guy who says "this site sucks" really sucks --> posting on bboard |
| 02:14.13 | michaelh2 | --> Canada licks giant monkey balls! |
| 02:15.01 | michaelh2 | under Bill & Hillary Clinton suck -> BRING BACK PRESIDENTS WHO LIKE BLOWJOBS! |
| 02:15.03 | TimRiker | hmm Tupone did *exactly* what I told him *NOT* to do. he removed areas of the README without replacing them. |
| 02:15.21 | michaelh2 | doh |
| 02:17.33 | michaelh2 | that would be the section talking about where the bzflag executable winds up? |
| 02:19.35 | TimRiker | the section about finding data/ files. |
| 02:20.24 | TimRiker | ah.. _and_ the section about where the binary ends up. ;-) |
| 02:20.44 | TimRiker | though if you do the "make install" he is right that it will be in the system directory. |
| 02:21.04 | TimRiker | just that it does not indicate where that might be (at least as an example) |
| 02:22.16 | michaelh2 | I was wondering what the "system" directory was |
| 02:22.30 | TimRiker | c:\windows\system\ no? ;-) |
| 02:22.40 | michaelh2 | o k |
| 02:22.44 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 02:22.58 | michaelh2 | that's where the bzflag.dll will be huh |
| 02:23.32 | michaelh2 | right after we switch to direct3d..... |
| 02:29.35 | TimRiker | is --enable-robots the default now? |
| 02:33.56 | captain_proton | default in what sense? :) |
| 02:36.24 | CIA | commit by timriker: don't build, just prep |
| 02:36.42 | TimRiker | ie: you need to use --disable-robots to turn them off. |
| 02:36.50 | captain_proton | at |
| 02:36.51 | captain_proton | err |
| 02:36.52 | captain_proton | ah |
| 02:36.55 | captain_proton | no, thats not the case |
| 02:38.43 | captain_proton | should be simple enough to change, but first, dinner |
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| 03:18.02 | CIA | commit by timriker: updates, restore some missing info |
| 03:25.54 | CIA | commit by timriker: use a single license |
| 03:26.30 | captain_proton | ooh a single license |
| 03:28.37 | TimRiker | heh |
| 03:28.58 | TimRiker | now I'm thinking of moving LICENSE to COPYING and then making it LGPL too. |
| 03:29.37 | captain_proton | isn't it supposed to be called "COPYING" alone? (no 'LICENSE') |
| 03:29.39 | TimRiker | we had COPYING, LICENSE and package/win32/license.txt |
| 03:29.48 | captain_proton | hehe |
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| 03:31.48 | TimRiker | LICENSE could be LICENCE too, so I guess it could have been worse. |
| 03:33.37 | captain_proton | could also have eula and friends |
| 03:34.32 | captain_proton | heh |
| 03:34.47 | captain_proton | we should have LICENSE be something really strict and COPYING be lgpl :) |
| 03:34.51 | captain_proton | that'd confuse people |
| 03:35.31 | TimRiker | ugh... automake adds back COPYING. |
| 03:36.01 | TimRiker | have to edit all the sources to switch.... ugh |
| 04:14.30 | CIA | commit by timriker: add acconfig.h to EXTRA_DIST |
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| 04:16.59 | sussudio | the help menu and the server list still overlap |
| 04:18.41 | sussudio | ~ducati6 |
| 04:27.36 | trepan | cap, you there? |
| 04:27.43 | CIA | commit by timriker: reference SF |
| 04:38.34 | CIA | commit by timriker: updates |
| 04:40.30 | CIA | commit by timriker: revamp |
| 04:41.45 | CIA | commit by timriker: remove old make stuff |
| 04:43.33 | CIA | commit by timriker: placeholder |
| 04:44.27 | CIA | commit by timriker: add NEWS |
| 04:46.30 | CIA | commit by timriker: move from LICENSE to COPYING |
| 04:50.41 | CIA | commit by timriker: arg to build |
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| 04:55.29 | sussudio | ~ducati6 |
| 04:55.54 | sussudio | hm spiff finally buggered off. |
| 04:58.28 | JBDiGriz | what ticks you off about spiff? he's just a teenager. |
| 04:58.38 | sussudio | exactly |
| 04:59.13 | JBDiGriz | What were you like as a teenager? |
| 04:59.49 | sussudio | much the same as now |
| 04:59.58 | captain_proton | anybody know what -lnsl is on solaris? |
| 05:00.11 | sussudio | -lnsl? |
| 05:00.37 | sussudio | ~google for lnsl solaris |
| 05:00.41 | JBDiGriz | Linking with the nsl library, I would assume. |
| 05:01.40 | trepan | captain, finished that patch for ya |
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| 05:04.44 | JBDiGriz | Hi learner, you made it! |
| 05:05.17 | learner | hehe, yes, jb -- finally |
| 05:05.43 | learner | I was on #bzflag on hashmark wondering where the heck everyone was.. :) |
| 05:05.49 | captain_proton | trepan: nifty |
| 05:06.03 | CIA | commit by timriker: BZFlag released under LGPL v2.1 if anybody cares |
| 05:06.14 | trepan | captain_proton: dcc? |
| 05:06.46 | captain_proton | trepan: sure why not |
| 05:06.57 | captain_proton | TimRiker: you should post news on the web site ;) |
| 05:07.03 | captain_proton | (oh yeah! we've got a web site!) |
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| 05:08.10 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/overlap2.png =:-B |
| 05:08.20 | TimRiker | heh. if you want to, feel free. I figured I'd just mention it in the ChangeLog and g2 announcements. |
| 05:09.10 | captain_proton | sussudio: thats really weird since the keymap menu is split into two side-by-side panes :P |
| 05:09.20 | sussudio | it's the help menu |
| 05:09.26 | captain_proton | bleh |
| 05:09.29 | captain_proton | who cares about the help menu |
| 05:09.33 | captain_proton | nobody uses it |
| 05:09.39 | captain_proton | =} |
| 05:09.42 | sussudio | the server list overlaps too |
| 05:09.45 | sussudio | by about half a line |
| 05:09.49 | captain_proton | poor baby |
| 05:09.55 | captain_proton | set your console smaller ;) |
| 05:09.59 | sussudio | no |
| 05:10.05 | sussudio | i want it even bigger |
| 05:10.11 | sussudio | full screen radar!!!!! |
| 05:10.19 | captain_proton | then make a patch and stop complaining ;) |
| 05:10.32 | JBDiGriz | Hear, hear! |
| 05:11.14 | CIA | commit by timriker: |
| 05:11.25 | captain_proton | ooh TimRiker is getting more verbose by the minute |
| 05:11.42 | TimRiker | heh |
| 05:13.42 | JBDiGriz | Looks like someone signed on to xmission as spooge again! |
| 05:14.50 | sussudio | and? |
| 05:16.45 | CIA | commit by timriker: license.txt -> COPYING |
| 05:16.59 | sussudio | kewl. |
| 05:17.14 | sussudio | my bluff seemed to have worked |
| 05:17.45 | TimRiker | ~xmission |
| 05:17.47 | Noodlebot | xmission is set to defaults. defaults are probably a bit too agressive. |
| 05:17.53 | sussudio | @root: Spoogebob Spermpants on pacbell dsl vacate this server immediately or face a permanent ban |
| 05:18.01 | sussudio | he left |
| 05:18.03 | sussudio | hah |
| 05:18.36 | TimRiker | great... now he'll be DOSing my machine. thanx a lot. ;-) |
| 05:18.53 | sussudio | *shrug*. he'll just go to hashmark |
| 05:19.04 | learner | lol, riker |
| 05:19.45 | captain_proton | TimRiker: we should ask the community/linuxfund for donations to pay for a colocated bzfls/subversion server ;-) |
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| 05:22.23 | JBDiGriz | sussudio: Spooge is on pacbell dsl? |
| 05:24.10 | TimRiker | captain_proton: heh. I've been a card carrying member for quite some time now. 'bout time to get somethin' back. ;-) |
| 05:24.44 | captain_proton | TimRiker: of what? linuxfund? |
| 05:24.49 | TimRiker | yeah |
| 05:24.55 | captain_proton | =} |
| 05:25.02 | captain_proton | and definitely subversion, because it sucks less |
| 05:26.31 | captain_proton | TimRiker: i'm about to get to --disable-robots - cleaning up a bit for Tupone's fix to not link bzfs with libGL |
| 05:27.23 | sussudio | JBDiGriz: yes, same isp as dervish |
| 05:28.06 | JBDiGriz | and me unfortunately! |
| 05:28.36 | sussudio | JBDiGriz: you're not on san diego |
| 05:28.40 | sussudio | hm |
| 05:28.47 | sussudio | well the other one |
| 05:29.01 | sussudio | sandiego01 |
| 05:29.38 | sussudio | oh wait... san francisco |
| 05:30.03 | learner | Has anyone considered some sort of karma system to get rid of bad players? Is there a thread somewhere? |
| 05:30.11 | JBDiGriz | At least there's some separation, when do we start hunting down his "True Name" |
| 05:30.17 | sussudio | yeah that worked so well on slashdot |
| 05:30.31 | captain_proton | learner: one sec |
| 05:30.57 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.org/wiki/KarmaSystem |
| 05:31.06 | captain_proton | feel free to add your thoughts to that |
| 05:31.17 | learner | lol, thx captain |
| 05:33.26 | TimRiker | how do we clean the Makefile.in files automatically? maintainer-clean should probably do that. looks like new versions might. |
| 05:38.19 | captain_proton | TimRiker: 'make distclean' should get rid of them |
| 05:38.27 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:38.43 | captain_proton | apparently by registering this matrox video editing suite at my work i got a subscription to cgw |
| 05:39.09 | sussudio | cgw? |
| 05:39.14 | captain_proton | cgw.com |
| 05:39.22 | sussudio | ... |
| 05:46.54 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: don't link X, GL, audio unless we have to |
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| 05:49.54 | learner | Should I disconnect, or is it okay to stay idle here? |
| 05:51.47 | captain_proton | fine to idle |
| 05:52.02 | learner | thx captain |
| 05:53.25 | TimRiker | captain_proton: nope, it does not. distclean takes you to the tarball state, not the cvs state. maintainer-clean removes some more stuff, but still not configure or all the Makefile.in's |
| 05:54.23 | captain_proton | i don't think there's a way to return to the cvs state other than some rm trickery |
| 05:54.51 | TimRiker | looks that way. =( |
| 05:55.09 | CIA | commit by timriker: abort if dead |
| 05:55.51 | sussudio | ah the french are striking again..... it must be summer |
| 06:03.42 | captain_proton | TimRiker: --disable-robots is in |
| 06:05.20 | TimRiker | the winner on xmission is a kbd player. |
| 06:05.23 | TimRiker | ~xmission |
| 06:05.24 | Noodlebot | xmission is set to defaults. defaults are probably a bit too agressive. |
| 06:05.34 | TimRiker | Noodlebot: forget xmission |
| 06:05.35 | Noodlebot | i forgot 'xmission' |
| 06:08.38 | captain_proton | hyuk |
| 06:08.44 | captain_proton | i really need to set up remote access to babytrex |
| 06:09.24 | captain_proton | shower, then trepan's newest patch |
| 06:10.28 | TimRiker | ./configure --enable-robots disables them. |
| 06:14.17 | TimRiker | Noodlebot: xmission is <reply> I have no idea. I'm just a stupid bot. Go ask ibot instead. |
| 06:14.27 | TimRiker | ~xmission |
| 06:14.49 | TimRiker | xmission is <reply> I have no idea. I'm just a stupid bot. Go ask ibot instead. |
| 06:15.16 | TimRiker | ~xmission |
| 06:15.17 | Noodlebot | i have no idea. i'm just a stupid bot. go ask ibot instead. |
| 06:16.33 | TimRiker | er humors |
| 06:16.37 | TimRiker | ~spell homors |
| 06:16.40 | | possible spellings for homors: homos homers homo's humors homes homo rs homo-rs honors Homer's homer's humor's Hom's |
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| 06:32.50 | captain_proton | hmm, so it does |
| 06:35.49 | TimRiker | added maintainercleanfiles throughout. not standard, but useful. |
| 06:40.46 | TimRiker | thoughts? |
| 06:41.31 | captain_proton | eh, works for me |
| 06:41.36 | captain_proton | i don't think its necessary |
| 06:41.57 | captain_proton | can just rerun autogen.sh to get completely up to date |
| 06:43.12 | TimRiker | but you didn't use maintainer-clean before, right? |
| 06:43.37 | TimRiker | I wanted a way to get back to cvs without nuke and checkout. |
| 06:43.37 | captain_proton | no |
| 06:43.48 | captain_proton | only thing i've ever used is distclean |
| 06:44.00 | TimRiker | k. I didn't touch that. |
| 06:44.23 | sussudio | Linking... |
| 06:44.23 | sussudio | ..\src\bzflag\*.exe |
| 06:44.23 | sussudio | The system cannot find the file specified. |
| 06:44.31 | sussudio | can you fix that? it's still in ..\bin |
| 06:46.05 | sussudio | :-I |
| 06:46.59 | sussudio | it still makes it in bin... it thinks it's in src\bzflag afterwards |
| 06:47.46 | captain_proton | TimRiker: fixed --enable/--disable |
| 06:49.11 | captain_proton | sussudio: you could...post a bug :P |
| 06:49.24 | sussudio | :-P |
| 06:50.34 | TimRiker | captain_proton: seems to work now. thanx! |
| 06:54.18 | TimRiker | ooh... make -j is fun now. ;-) |
| 06:54.38 | TimRiker | load average: 12.87 |
| 06:55.45 | captain_proton | TimRiker: smp? |
| 06:56.04 | ak|ra | TimRiker: ever tried distcc? |
| 06:56.21 | TimRiker | captain_proton: nope. just itching to abuse my laptop. |
| 06:56.28 | TimRiker | ak|ra: yes, but not here. ;-) |
| 06:56.48 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 06:56.48 | ak|ra | the -j becomes a new meaning with distcc :) |
| 06:57.04 | TimRiker | it's looking good here. I must sleep. test and report bugs. ;-) |
| 06:58.44 | ak|ra | captain_proton: i do this at work :) |
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| 07:09.47 | sussudio | hm. |
| 07:10.50 | TimRiker | nite |
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| 08:21.19 | bomber | moin |
| 08:21.48 | sussudio | schweinhund |
| 08:22.59 | bomber | ahhh...wieder pig-day ? |
| 08:23.13 | sussudio | peeeeg |
| 08:24.38 | sussudio | eins zwei polizei |
| 08:26.26 | ak|ra | pig-day? |
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| 10:28.53 | Chestal | hmm, controlpanel is broken, when I use the new colouring, Idon't see any chat messages |
| 10:46.10 | sussudio | it works here |
| 10:48.25 | sussudio | did you run ./autogen.sh |
| 10:48.47 | Chestal | yes |
| 10:48.55 | Chestal | I'm running code from5 minutes ago |
| 10:49.00 | Chestal | it works when I switch to old coliuring scheme |
| 10:49.15 | Chestal | but with new colouring I see nada, no server messages and nothign I type either |
| 10:49.32 | sussudio | hm dunno...... linux? |
| 10:49.51 | Chestal | yes, but shouldn't make a difference |
| 10:49.58 | Chestal | gues I'll look into the code later |
| 10:50.11 | sussudio | i have the panel set all the way big, appearently it different when you set it transparent |
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| 11:53.39 | david_v | ~ducati6 |
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| 12:34.55 | ak|ra | hi girl |
| 12:35.29 | bzgirl | hello ak|ra |
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| 13:50.06 | david_v_away | does anyone have a quick comment on my new team? |
| 13:50.18 | david_v_away | http://www.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=teaminfo&id=260 |
| 13:52.59 | bzgirl | nice logo :) |
| 13:53.17 | david_v | thanks :) |
| 13:54.20 | david_v | took me a bit of work, worst was hand-drawing Europe :) |
| 13:54.59 | bzgirl | england looks a little chubby |
| 13:55.19 | david_v | yah i'm not fully content with the map |
| 13:55.42 | david_v | might fix that later |
| 13:57.20 | Chestal | consumption is dying? |
| 13:58.08 | david_v | that depends on what Izto does, but what it was is definitely gone. several people have already switched teams |
| 13:59.09 | Chestal | yes, I noticed, greg and mayhem |
| 13:59.15 | david_v | and Chiko |
| 13:59.23 | Chestal | with you three playing lately, consumption was quite a good team |
| 13:59.29 | david_v | and valiant... hehe ;) |
| 13:59.44 | Chestal | I wonder who all the other people in the team are,though |
| 13:59.50 | david_v | i wonder too :| |
| 13:59.54 | david_v | or wondered |
| 14:02.19 | [dmp] | david_v: Good luck in finding the question / teammembers :-) |
| 14:02.57 | david_v | :) |
| 14:02.58 | david_v | thanks |
| 14:03.17 | david_v | wonder which is easier :) |
| 14:03.55 | [dmp] | I hope finding the members would be quicker. :) |
| 14:04.07 | [dmp] | I seems to remember that it took "awhile" to get the answer :) |
| 14:04.12 | david_v | hehe |
| 14:04.24 | [dmp] | But i better read it again, cant really remember it that well |
| 14:04.28 | david_v | so true. well i gtg, cya all and happy flagging /fragging |
| 14:04.35 | [dmp] | cu |
| 14:04.40 | david_v | i'm actually not done with the books yet |
| 14:04.49 | david_v | on the third (have read the fifth though) |
| 14:06.11 | Chestal | is Nicson in any team? he's quite good |
| 14:07.08 | [dmp] | Dont think so |
| 14:08.11 | bzgirl | i asked him this morning |
| 14:08.20 | bzgirl | he said he didnt have time to be on a team :) |
| 14:09.05 | bzgirl | Chestal: do you use Mutt or Pine? |
| 14:09.51 | bzgirl | i can make Pine send mail, but not recive, and Mutt i cant do either, i need exim or something |
| 14:10.40 | Chestal | bzg: mutt |
| 14:11.29 | Chestal | bzgirl: your using pop3 or imap to get your mails? |
| 14:11.34 | bzgirl | pop3 |
| 14:12.03 | Chestal | never did that, my mails have always ben redeived via smpt, so mutt just has to access the local mail folder and send mails via sendmail |
| 14:12.30 | Chestal | of course, you can install a small MTA like exim |
| 14:12.39 | Chestal | and then also isntall qpopper or something to automatically get your mails |
| 14:12.40 | ak|ra | bzgirl: i use mutt for ssl-imap |
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| 15:01.24 | CIA | commit by chestal: strip leading spaces from callsign (& some formatting changes) |
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| 15:10.21 | [dmp] | man :( |
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| 15:13.41 | Chestal | hi Tim, larsl |
| 15:14.20 | Chestal | src/bzflag/bzflag is missing dependencies in the Makefile, obviously a result of having a conditional $LDADD |
| 15:17.37 | larsl | Hello. |
| 15:18.18 | larsl | Did _all_ files change? |
| 15:19.47 | Chestal | no :-) |
| 15:19.56 | larsl | Ah, changes in the copyright notice. |
| 15:25.11 | larsl | What is missing? It seems to work. |
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| 15:34.12 | Chestal | larsl: it compiles fine, but bzflag isn't relinked when one of the libs changes (in particular it was the gl lib in src/ogl) |
| 15:39.59 | larsl | Ah, OK. |
| 15:40.49 | larsl | Why is it called LDADD instead of bzflag_LDADD? |
| 15:42.22 | Chestal | there's both I think. But I have absolutely no clue about automake |
| 15:50.09 | larsl | It relinks if I put the line LDADD = $(COMMON_ADD) outside the if ... else and add the rest (bzflag.res and $(GLIBS)) inside the if ... else. |
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| 15:54.12 | bzgirl | is the changelog updated with every cvs commit? |
| 15:54.42 | Chestal | no, these are manual entries |
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| 15:54.57 | Chestal | bzgirl: usually, minor changes are omitted |
| 15:55.07 | bzgirl | ahh ok |
| 15:55.16 | remco | hello |
| 15:55.20 | CIA | commit by larsl: Fixed broken dependecies in src/bzflag/Makefile.am |
| 15:55.24 | bzgirl | hey rembo |
| 15:56.01 | remco | he chestal, Is the bot code in the client or server. Client right? |
| 15:56.50 | larsl | remco: Yes, in the client. |
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| 15:57.41 | remco | Is there any specific reason for that? |
| 15:58.01 | larsl | I don't know, I wasn't around when it was written. =) |
| 15:58.11 | larsl | I think we are going to move it to a separate program. |
| 15:58.24 | Patlabor221 | move what? |
| 15:58.39 | Chestal | rembo: it's in the client because it was easier to do, and also by design |
| 15:58.40 | larsl | The bots. Didn't people talk about that earlier? |
| 15:58.40 | remco | bot code |
| 15:58.50 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 15:58.58 | remco | I wasn't there when they talked |
| 15:59.21 | remco | I was thinking.... maybe it would be cool to make them very intelligent and smart |
| 15:59.27 | Patlabor221 | yes it would be nice if net and game were abstracted to libs so a seperate bot client could be made. |
| 15:59.34 | larsl | remco: Yes, that would be cool. =) |
| 15:59.44 | remco | hmmm |
| 15:59.48 | TimRiker | just history. bots need to be broken out into thier own binary. they just aren't yet. |
| 15:59.57 | remco | I noticed bzflag is very similar to robotsoccer |
| 16:00.22 | remco | and I just happened to graduate on robotsoccer strategy |
| 16:00.28 | remco | I will I mean |
| 16:00.32 | TimRiker | need to roll in bzadmin sourcest too. |
| 16:01.03 | remco | I made strategy for groups etc |
| 16:01.14 | remco | bots communicating to coordinate |
| 16:01.31 | remco | well, but then real robots. but it looks similar |
| 16:01.43 | larsl | TimRiker: Do you want that now, or should we wait until we have a 'client' library (that would probably be cleaner) ? |
| 16:01.46 | Nidhoggr | larsl... it'd be cool if you could do some sort of scripting in the text client, so you could automate kicking of bad nicknames and excessive swearing, etc. |
| 16:01.51 | remco | who nows. would be cool to have a bot team using team messages to coordinate |
| 16:02.30 | larsl | Nidhoggr: Patches welcome. =) |
| 16:02.38 | Nidhoggr | I wish I could code. |
| 16:02.39 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 16:02.49 | remco | this would be one huge patch. It is one year work |
| 16:02.53 | larsl | Nidhoggr: I suppose I could add some function that runs an external script whenever a message is received. |
| 16:03.06 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 16:03.07 | larsl | Nidhoggr: And send whatever that script prints to stdout. |
| 16:03.08 | remco | and it's not written for bzflag of course |
| 16:03.32 | remco | but would people use the bots? to even up the teams? |
| 16:03.33 | larsl | Send to the server what the script prints to stdout. |
| 16:03.37 | remco | or would it be annoying? |
| 16:03.39 | Nidhoggr | larsl: nod |
| 16:04.03 | larsl | remco: It would be cool to play solo against a team of bots. =) |
| 16:04.23 | remco | They would beat you ;) |
| 16:04.33 | Nidhoggr | I suppose I could use expect on the client, and write scripts in expect. did you say you had a non-curses version? |
| 16:04.41 | larsl | No. |
| 16:04.44 | Chestal | a good bot could be deadly in bz I think |
| 16:04.54 | Chestal | a CTF bot team would be cool |
| 16:05.05 | remco | maybe bot's can adapt to opponents skill |
| 16:05.13 | remco | if they are to good, miss more |
| 16:05.14 | larsl | Only curses right now. |
| 16:05.15 | Chestal | but it's a long way until we can doscriptable bots I fear |
| 16:05.27 | remco | but anticipation is important in bz. bots don't do that well |
| 16:05.31 | Nidhoggr | bummer. |
| 16:05.40 | remco | how about c++ bots? |
| 16:06.36 | remco | well, I made this decision engine for robot soccer. it can do team coordination, and all sort of stuff with fuzzy logic |
| 16:06.40 | Chestal | remco: I one hacked up a real dumb bot, but it was precise |
| 16:06.45 | remco | It might be reusable |
| 16:07.00 | Chestal | remco: in a 1-1 on ducati settings it would beat >90% of the players already |
| 16:07.20 | remco | hmmm.... so making a bot is too easy? |
| 16:07.26 | remco | how about ctf team bots |
| 16:07.28 | Patlabor221 | is that good for the bot? or bad for the players? |
| 16:07.30 | Chestal | hmm, no, it's to ohard now :-) |
| 16:07.38 | remco | the challenge would be to make them not too good |
| 16:07.50 | remco | to code it? |
| 16:07.52 | Patlabor221 | the bot was a hacked up BZ client IRC wasn't it? |
| 16:07.53 | Chestal | theirs first the technical challenge of definign a clean itnerface for bots |
| 16:07.59 | Chestal | patlabor: yes |
| 16:08.13 | Chestal | the bot itself had to make sure it doesn't cheat :-) |
| 16:08.24 | remco | hmmm. so bzflag needs to be split up in a netlib and bot / client? |
| 16:08.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's why I think the game stuff needs to be abstracted |
| 16:09.09 | Chestal | it does, O focurse, there are still some issues when defining what kind of world view should be presented to a bot |
| 16:09.12 | Patlabor221 | it should be split into game, net, and player, then bot could be writen that calls game and net, just like player does |
| 16:09.28 | remco | map might be to easy? |
| 16:09.31 | Chestal | you could always implement a hardware bot with a camera and a robot arm :-) |
| 16:09.37 | remco | hehe |
| 16:09.41 | Patlabor221 | ues legos |
| 16:09.47 | Chestal | I know that stuff liek this has been done for some games |
| 16:10.39 | remco | what other worldview than the map is there? |
| 16:10.47 | remco | the 3d view? |
| 16:10.55 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:11.00 | Chestal | remco: yes, somwe thigns can only be seen on 3D |
| 16:11.04 | remco | you would limit the bot more than a human |
| 16:11.14 | Patlabor221 | or vice versa |
| 16:11.20 | remco | is it? like orientation? |
| 16:11.51 | Chestal | remco: no, the point is: the only way that the bot's view of the world would be the same as a human's would be to present him a rendered screen |
| 16:12.13 | Chestal | remco: for example, should the bot know the exactposition of all players (that are visible on radar)? What about velocity? |
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| 16:12.45 | kunphuzil | I am trying to run bzflag and get this error: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". (3 times) and then it exits. What is wrong? |
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| 16:13.14 | remco | would the bot need to have the excact same information? |
| 16:13.16 | Patlabor221 | you have no GL |
| 16:13.22 | trepan | kunphuzil: what version of X are you running (probably use xdpyinfo) |
| 16:13.23 | remco | Isn't a bot in advantage anyway? |
| 16:13.25 | TimRiker | kunphuzil: extension "GLX" is missing on display ":0.0" |
| 16:13.29 | remco | you have to limit it |
| 16:13.44 | remco | why not give it all information |
| 16:13.52 | Chestal | remco: well, not all, that is for sure |
| 16:13.59 | remco | like what not |
| 16:14.09 | Patlabor221 | remco to be fair, it shold "percece" only what a human has, you can give it all the info, but you must make it act like it can only see what a human can see |
| 16:14.13 | Chestal | remco: it shouldn;t be able to see stealthed players for example, unless they're in their field of view |
| 16:14.24 | TimRiker | currently the client know what every flag is that is on the map. (for example) |
| 16:14.31 | remco | of course. didn't think of that |
| 16:14.40 | remco | ok |
| 16:14.41 | TimRiker | course that should be changed, but it has not been yet. |
| 16:14.42 | remco | agreed |
| 16:14.53 | Patlabor221 | otherwise it's just a BZ terminator bot that hunts down everyone and kills them and that's no fun. the best bots are the ones that act like pople. |
| 16:15.06 | remco | but velocity, orientation, position (if on map) seems ok to me |
| 16:15.15 | larsl | Yes, that should be changed. It's extremely easy to hack the client to show different flags in different colour. |
| 16:15.16 | TimRiker | right. best bots are those that equal players abilities. |
| 16:15.16 | Patlabor221 | that's very basic |
| 16:15.28 | remco | I agree |
| 16:15.30 | kunphuzil | trepan: oh.. i thought emerge would have gotten it? strange |
| 16:15.34 | Patlabor221 | play UT and watch how there bots acct, they have them down good. |
| 16:15.51 | remco | I have a PII 233. no UT for me |
| 16:16.01 | Patlabor221 | good god, how do you live? |
| 16:16.10 | remco | as a monk |
| 16:16.14 | remco | in the ocean |
| 16:16.26 | remco | among fish and deer |
| 16:16.28 | remco | :) |
| 16:16.32 | Patlabor221 | still I would thing you would get at least a P3 |
| 16:17.20 | remco | hmm. well, debian has all I need on PII 233. |
| 16:17.27 | remco | but we were talking about bots |
| 16:17.44 | remco | so, it is not feasable for me to make a bot now? |
| 16:18.31 | remco | it would be a waste of time after the split up in lib / client is done? |
| 16:19.38 | remco | Hmmm. maybe I should focus on graduating first then |
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| 16:20.01 | TimRiker | remco: feel free to start on it at any time. the code cleanup should not mess with the AI logic at all. |
| 16:20.30 | Chestal | remco: if you concentrate onthe AI and defien suitable abstraction that could be mapped onthe official abstractions later, then it would not be wasted |
| 16:20.50 | remco | Ok. maybe. no promises |
| 16:21.19 | remco | I might have a look at the code that is already there |
| 16:21.24 | Patlabor221 | hey fiber, did you remove the bzbb.homelinux.org domain? |
| 16:21.30 | remco | It's a simple turn and shoot bot now right? |
| 16:22.05 | remco | If I do something, in which tree should it be done? |
| 16:22.10 | Chestal | the bot that is in there tries to find it's way around |
| 16:22.15 | remco | or not relevant |
| 16:22.18 | remco | make a patch |
| 16:22.52 | Chestal | it divides the free space onthe map into regions, then finds a path as a series of regions |
| 16:22.59 | Chestal | and it shoots all the time whiel driving :-) |
| 16:23.00 | remco | would it be cool if bots communicate in human readable language through teammessages? |
| 16:23.11 | Chestal | yep :-) |
| 16:23.17 | remco | or annoying? |
| 16:23.36 | Chestal | a bot with a personality ;-) |
| 16:23.41 | remco | hehe |
| 16:23.44 | Patlabor221 | they can do it just to there team |
| 16:23.52 | bzgirl | dont make them grumpy |
| 16:23.57 | remco | it could say thing like I go for flag, or I am covering hans |
| 16:24.08 | larsl | It would only have to say '******* LAGER!!!!' every time it got shot, and no one would be able to tell it from a real player. |
| 16:24.20 | remco | or like: covering hans 0.8 |
| 16:24.29 | Patlabor221 | that's what UT bots do, I've had them tell ME that "you've got point" |
| 16:24.45 | remco | were 0.8 is the score for the bot to do that right now. (other boths need that for team coordination) |
| 16:25.05 | remco | you've got point? |
| 16:25.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:25.15 | remco | what does it mean? |
| 16:25.17 | Patlabor221 | the bots wanted me to go for the flag |
| 16:25.23 | remco | hehe. cool |
| 16:25.31 | Patlabor221 | and 2 of them went with me as squadmates |
| 16:25.38 | Patlabor221 | while 3 stayed back on Defense |
| 16:25.41 | remco | is that cool or annoying? |
| 16:25.48 | remco | I think it's cool |
| 16:25.56 | Patlabor221 | in UT they look at how you play so it's cool |
| 16:26.07 | Patlabor221 | if you stay on defense, they go for the flag |
| 16:26.13 | remco | ah. so they don't stand in the way |
| 16:26.23 | Patlabor221 | you can also asign bots into certan roles if you want |
| 16:26.27 | remco | hmm what if the bot takes all the flags. no fun anymore |
| 16:26.44 | Patlabor221 | if the bot is on your team, you win |
| 16:27.04 | Patlabor221 | I Have had many an enjoyable game on defense, against just bots. |
| 16:27.05 | remco | with a good bunch of bots bzflag can be a game without net too |
| 16:27.56 | remco | but the bots would rico you all the tie if I program them :) lol |
| 16:28.12 | remco | think only chestal gets that |
| 16:28.48 | remco | ok... maybe. I will finish my thesis first |
| 16:28.56 | Patlabor221 | if you can find a faster machine, it would be a good idea to look a the UT bots, or some of the advanced quake bots. as they are rather good. |
| 16:29.08 | remco | If no-one at the university objects, and I have lots of free time..... we might get a bot |
| 16:29.38 | remco | hmmmm yes. but I would spoil the fun ;) |
| 16:30.54 | remco | bye all |
| 16:31.05 | larsl | Is anyone going to make any major changes to the code in src/bzflag in the near future? I could start looking at moving reusable code into a client library. |
| 16:31.24 | *** part/#bzflag remco (~remco@seesink.kabel.utwente.nl) |
| 16:31.27 | Patlabor221 | I would wait for the 1.9 branch |
| 16:31.44 | Patlabor221 | but there should be no more major changes I think. |
| 16:32.06 | Patlabor221 | or if you want, put it in asgard CVS, and hack the heck outa that :) |
| 16:32.15 | larsl | Hehe. =) |
| 16:32.21 | larsl | Might be hell to merge. |
| 16:32.22 | Patlabor221 | untill normal CVS does the branch |
| 16:32.30 | Patlabor221 | maybe |
| 16:33.29 | Chestal | the first thing in 1.9 will probably be to make small changes to the protocol, get rid of the nasty things like the reconnect, use an integer player id etc. |
| 16:33.42 | Chestal | things that already happened in 1.8 |
| 16:36.14 | Nidhoggr | okay... so this guy joins with one of Spoogebob's callsigns, and I pull up a browser and actually get a web page up on the IP he is coming from. |
| 16:37.23 | Patlabor221 | what is it? |
| 16:37.29 | Nidhoggr | 65.71.67.117 |
| 16:38.29 | Patlabor221 | ooooo he has quickchat |
| 16:38.36 | Nidhoggr | so.. it's possible the guy has an open proxy, or it's possible that it's really spoogebob |
| 16:39.23 | Patlabor221 | arn't proxys that do UDP rare? |
| 16:41.42 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm I wonder if it would be posible to search the bzbb database for that mail address |
| 16:45.09 | Nidhoggr | hrm. might work. |
| 16:45.50 | JBDiGriz | Did you try connecting to the smtp port? :) |
| 16:45.51 | Nidhoggr | select * from <table> where <emailfieldname>="his email address"; |
| 16:45.51 | Patlabor221 | I'd like to get email reports from the user database, to see how many accounts have the same mail address. |
| 16:45.52 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 16:45.59 | Nidhoggr | yes... tried smtp |
| 16:46.34 | Patlabor221 | portscan 'im :) |
| 16:46.48 | Nidhoggr | I should email him. |
| 16:47.24 | JBDiGriz | You should email yourself using his machine as a relay, gets more information! :) |
| 16:47.45 | Nidhoggr | he didn't have smtp open. :( |
| 16:48.08 | larsl | He has a public FTP, with one jar file in it. |
| 16:48.24 | trepan | running a linux 2.4.x |
| 16:48.59 | Nidhoggr | brb. |
| 16:49.40 | JBDiGriz | He might be wondering why his machine is so busy right now! |
| 16:55.36 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:07.05 | Nidhoggr | email sent |
| 17:07.33 | Nidhoggr | basically, "if this is not you, then your machine may be hacked, if it is you, then stay off my servers, or I call your ISP" |
| 17:11.16 | trepan | anyone else ever seen that the ground texture moves up and down during rotation? |
| 17:11.51 | Nidhoggr | never noticed |
| 17:12.38 | trepan | hmmm, maybe it's my setup (geforce3,linux,etc), but it is quite apparent |
| 17:12.50 | Patlabor221 | I have seen it sometimes |
| 17:12.51 | Nidhoggr | I'd have to look when I get home. |
| 17:14.05 | trepan | Patlabor221: what card/os you using? |
| 17:15.11 | Patlabor221 | I have seen it on various, GF 4, FX ,2, 2mx, 3 |
| 17:15.23 | Patlabor221 | even the AIT |
| 17:15.25 | Patlabor221 | ATI even |
| 17:15.33 | Patlabor221 | dosn't happen all the time |
| 17:15.44 | *** join/#bzflag Mayhem (~Mayhem@dsl-217-155-141-174.zen.co.uk) |
| 17:15.53 | trepan | at least it isn't card specific, thx |
| 17:24.29 | Patlabor221 | I've seen it in my own stuff too, I think it's something with a floating point error on big ass planes |
| 17:25.16 | trepan | that would make sense |
| 17:34.08 | Nidhoggr | does anyone know of proxies that do UDP? |
| 17:34.20 | Nidhoggr | the more I look at this, the more I think this is him. |
| 17:35.27 | Patlabor221 | I'm not very good at sql, if you want to log into asgard and search the database you can. |
| 17:35.33 | JBDiGriz | Googling UDP proxy gives many more hits than I care to search. There are proxies for UDP games. |
| 17:35.43 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 17:35.48 | Patlabor221 | hell BZ ships with one |
| 17:35.54 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 17:35.55 | Nidhoggr | true |
| 17:36.04 | Nidhoggr | I forgot about that |
| 17:36.23 | Patlabor221 | but I don't think your normal open web proxy supports UDP |
| 17:36.29 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 17:42.50 | Patlabor221 | *sigh* stupid griefer BZBB users. |
| 17:42.58 | prot-work | egads |
| 17:42.59 | prot-work | so busy |
| 17:43.16 | prot-work | however, the hot womens' tennis club seems to be meeting again |
| 17:43.31 | Patlabor221 | whoot, take pictures |
| 17:44.03 | Patlabor221 | we'll make a site, howwomenstenisclub.bakadigital.com |
| 17:44.16 | prot-work | hehe |
| 17:48.03 | prot-work | for a couple days i got scared, because instead of hot women it was old guys |
| 17:49.02 | JBDiGriz | Why was it scary, were the old guys wearing those short white tennis skirts? |
| 17:49.03 | Patlabor221 | ewwwww |
| 17:49.09 | Patlabor221 | we are NOT doing a site for that |
| 17:49.16 | prot-work | no tennis skirts on the old guys |
| 17:49.38 | JBDiGriz | What scared you then? :) |
| 17:49.53 | prot-work | the fact that the high point of my ride to work was gone |
| 17:50.55 | JBDiGriz | Be careful taking pictures while on your bicycle. |
| 17:51.46 | prot-work | hehe |
| 17:52.52 | prot-work | welp, meeting time |
| 17:53.06 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 17:53.23 | JBDiGriz | Hi bzgirl, do you play tennis? |
| 17:53.46 | Patlabor221 | say no! |
| 17:53.49 | bzgirl | no JB, |
| 17:54.01 | JBDiGriz | Too bad, it would make captain happy! :) |
| 17:54.22 | bzgirl | proton plays tennis? |
| 17:54.35 | Patlabor221 | he watches womens tenis players |
| 17:54.40 | bzgirl | lol |
| 17:55.17 | bzgirl | i used to run though, like long distance, but its kinda boring and hard, so i stoped |
| 17:55.54 | JBDiGriz | He bicycles past a tennis club, and was complaining about "old guys" playing tennis. |
| 17:55.59 | Patlabor221 | too bad it's to hard to run with a gameboy |
| 18:00.56 | Patlabor221 | hmmmmm, I wonder how hard it would be to make a LGE that used GTK |
| 18:06.23 | trepan | Patlabor221: thx for the tip, i chopped the ground into 16 segments, and now it looks fine |
| 18:07.07 | Patlabor221 | you should commit it |
| 18:07.55 | Patlabor221 | post it as a patch, and perhaps cap will apply it. |
| 18:08.14 | Patlabor221 | it should be very localised. |
| 18:08.17 | trepan | will do |
| 18:08.46 | trepan | but first, off to the always fun dentist's office |
| 18:08.54 | Patlabor221 | wheeee |
| 18:12.04 | TimRiker | yes, post it as a patch. Patches Welcome. |
| 18:16.36 | Nidhoggr | interesting out of the last 15 IPs of Spoogebob's, 13 are dallas-fort worth swbell adsl IPs. |
| 18:17.06 | Patlabor221 | hes on sbc isn't he? |
| 18:17.11 | Patlabor221 | they are dynamic IP |
| 18:17.29 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:17.37 | Patlabor221 | he could be using no-ip.com to host the domain for his website |
| 18:17.41 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:17.47 | Nidhoggr | or dyndns |
| 18:17.59 | Patlabor221 | same thing just crapyer :) |
| 18:18.13 | Nidhoggr | I'm gunna nail this guy to the wall, if I can gather some more proof. |
| 18:18.23 | Nidhoggr | problem is that bzfs doesn't timestamp entries. |
| 18:18.26 | Nidhoggr | for logs |
| 18:18.49 | Nidhoggr | if it did, I could make a case. |
| 18:20.43 | Nidhoggr | although, the email with the possibility that I knew it was him might scare him off my servers. |
| 18:21.50 | Nidhoggr | I just gotta say that if you are abusing a server, who in their right mind would leave a webserver up on the same machine with your email address on the index page? |
| 18:26.03 | *** join/#bzflag Eismann (~MortimeR@80.103.10.97) |
| 18:27.10 | Patlabor221 | if your in your right mind would you abuse a server? |
| 18:28.11 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: patches welcome. a timestamp would be easy to add in the DEBUG{n} macros. |
| 18:28.35 | Nidhoggr | again, not a coder... I might experiment, though. |
| 18:28.39 | larsl | Or you could just pipe it through awk. |
| 18:28.59 | Nidhoggr | never piped through awk. that's a good idea. |
| 18:29.17 | larsl | I use awk '{ printf "%s: %s\n", strftime("%F %H:%M:%S"), $$0 }' |
| 18:37.06 | stibnite | Nidhoggr: you know you can use my db for a historical representation of sb's ips. |
| 18:38.09 | Nidhoggr | true. |
| 18:38.12 | Nidhoggr | thanks. :) |
| 18:38.16 | Nidhoggr | I almost forgot about db |
| 18:39.53 | bzgirl | Patlabor221: where do i change my login password on your site? not in profile is it? |
| 18:40.13 | bzgirl | Nidhoggr: i have a few SB ip's if you need them |
| 18:40.24 | Nidhoggr | so far I have 15. |
| 18:40.28 | Nidhoggr | different ips |
| 18:40.38 | bzgirl | i have 5 or 6 i think |
| 18:40.40 | Nidhoggr | I have enough to prove to myself that it's the same guy most of the time. |
| 18:40.54 | Nidhoggr | at least 13 out of 15 times. |
| 18:41.26 | bzgirl | Patlabor221: never mind :) |
| 18:42.47 | stibnite | wow i've got a ton of entries from that guy |
| 18:42.59 | Nidhoggr | SB has been using his other callsign lately, which is a lot worse than spoogebob :( |
| 18:43.10 | Nidhoggr | and it's definitely the same guy. |
| 18:43.14 | stibnite | yeah |
| 18:43.21 | bzgirl | yeah the Vbf one? |
| 18:43.28 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:43.32 | bzgirl | grr |
| 18:43.39 | bzgirl | hes a wacko |
| 18:43.42 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:43.52 | stibnite | i use the db to track down his ip's then crosscheck other nicks from the same ip |
| 18:44.09 | Nidhoggr | well, we think we know who he is. he had httpd running on his machine when he joined secretplace, and his email was on the index page. |
| 18:44.10 | stibnite | then i bark |
| 18:44.23 | DB7654321 | Like a puppy |
| 18:44.33 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 18:49.22 | larsl | He seems to have shut down the webserver. |
| 18:51.20 | Patlabor221 | bzgirl, you are like the 4th person to change there password today, is there something goin on? |
| 18:51.50 | bzgirl | i used my forum pass to register on my server and Ches's & bryjens |
| 18:51.57 | Patlabor221 | opps |
| 18:52.21 | Patlabor221 | I have 2 I use |
| 18:52.21 | bzgirl | so yeah, i fixed it now |
| 18:52.34 | bzgirl | what are they? |
| 18:52.37 | bzgirl | :) |
| 18:53.01 | Patlabor221 | pasamquaty and 1sh |
| 18:53.35 | bzgirl | i use authors names alot, easy to remember |
| 18:53.43 | Nidhoggr | if he shut down the web server, then I'm sure that he's the guy. |
| 18:54.12 | Patlabor221 | I need to find a way to do IP loging on bzbb |
| 18:54.28 | Patlabor221 | dosn't seem to log them with posts |
| 18:54.32 | Nidhoggr | should be really easy. |
| 18:54.41 | Patlabor221 | yeah, I just don't know php |
| 18:54.42 | Chestal | it seems several people have problems with the g1 binary on Windows when alt-tabbing out of bzflag |
| 18:54.56 | Chestal | i.e. greater problems than there used to be |
| 18:54.57 | Patlabor221 | the "who's Online" page for admins shows the current Users IPs |
| 18:55.15 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm, I don't have any problems |
| 18:55.18 | Nidhoggr | I wonder if it stores them at all |
| 18:55.48 | Patlabor221 | I even linked this last one against DX3 instead of DX9 |
| 18:56.03 | Chestal | Pat: which flavour of windows? |
| 18:56.08 | Patlabor221 | XP |
| 18:56.18 | Chestal | hmm, same for at least one who is having tha tproblems |
| 18:56.41 | Patlabor221 | are you speaking of Bagheera |
| 18:56.42 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 18:57.25 | Chestal | no, strayer |
| 18:57.39 | Patlabor221 | what post? |
| 18:57.50 | Chestal | no post, he contacted me via icq |
| 18:57.54 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 18:58.14 | Chestal | I said that I am not aware of any changes which could cause this |
| 18:58.25 | Chestal | but then, it always was curious with windows releases |
| 18:58.29 | Patlabor221 | I have found that if you are using the latest nvidia drivers on XP, and you don't have DX 9 installed, there can be some wierdness, the latest drivers were linked to DX9 |
| 18:58.41 | Chestal | some subtle gfx buug popped up withotu any code change in that area |
| 18:58.52 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 18:58.53 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> bzbb does do per-post ip logging |
| 18:59.19 | fiberchunks | and you can get stats and such on what other ips that same username has posted from |
| 18:59.23 | Patlabor221 | naw BZ still uses the same command to activate and deactivate it's windows as allways, the old DX3 call |
| 18:59.30 | Nidhoggr | man, I am a noisy salad eater. |
| 18:59.32 | Patlabor221 | realyy ,cool, how? |
| 18:59.56 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> just go to whatever post, and click on the 'ip' button in the post (top right corner) |
| 18:59.58 | Patlabor221 | it woudl shut people up :) |
| 19:00.11 | Patlabor221 | well look at that :) |
| 19:00.13 | Patlabor221 | damn |
| 19:00.21 | Patlabor221 | see what happens when you read :) |
| 19:00.34 | fiberchunks | Chestal, Patlabor221: couldn't you just ship the registration stuff through an md5 hash generator? |
| 19:00.56 | Chestal | fiber: the password could go through md5, yes |
| 19:01.14 | Patlabor221 | I've never used the MD5 thing |
| 19:01.16 | Chestal | but I would still see it as plain text when I look at my server log |
| 19:01.32 | Patlabor221 | but it should be simple to change those 2 functions |
| 19:01.33 | fiberchunks | oh, because no client side implementation? |
| 19:01.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:01.46 | fiberchunks | ic |
| 19:01.49 | Patlabor221 | it works just like IRC |
| 19:02.01 | Patlabor221 | your /identify password here is sent plaintext |
| 19:02.02 | Chestal | fiber: registration should be backward compatible with odl clients |
| 19:02.20 | Chestal | fiber: but sending the hash over the network wouldn't bu as anything anyway |
| 19:02.40 | fiberchunks | i agree, but how then can you mangle it server-side without the server owner able to see it? |
| 19:03.07 | Chestal | fiber: of course he can see it. The only popint is that looking at the password file won't reveal the password |
| 19:03.08 | Patlabor221 | ohh now that is some cool IP traking, all IPs used by this user, other users with this IP :) |
| 19:03.19 | fiberchunks | right, it's pretty neat :) |
| 19:03.47 | *** join/#bzflag Smilodon_ (~pepe@131.Red-81-42-201.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:04.13 | Chestal | someone tried my nasty background patch? |
| 19:04.26 | Nidhoggr | when you see spoogebob next time, say "hey, steve, how's it going?" |
| 19:04.28 | fiberchunks | Chestal> I suppose what I'm trying to say is this: if the server handles hashing, then obviously the server owner can undo that hashing, and if it's not done in the client (for compatibility's sake), then how is this handled? |
| 19:05.21 | Chestal | fiber_: hashing cannot be undone |
| 19:05.33 | Chestal | fibger: that#s the whoel point of it .-) |
| 19:05.53 | fiberchunks | Chestal> yeah, upon re-reading that, what I should've said was -- 'the server owner can make it such that hashing _never_ gets done' |
| 19:06.13 | fiberchunks | or gets selectively done |
| 19:06.20 | Chestal | fiber: of course. This hashign won't buy as anything if the server owner is malicious, you still have to trust him |
| 19:06.40 | Chestal | fiber: but it might still be nice that I can look at the passwd file and not see the passwords directly |
| 19:06.49 | Patlabor221 | nid, or ask him if he was a razorbacks fan. |
| 19:07.08 | Chestal | Patlabor: DX9 or DX9a? |
| 19:07.14 | Patlabor221 | a is better |
| 19:07.24 | Patlabor221 | 9 had some bugs |
| 19:07.35 | Chestal | k, I'll pass along that recommendation |
| 19:07.39 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 19:07.50 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 19:07.52 | fiberchunks | well, I suppose so, but if I trust the server owner (i.e. you, kp, bzgirl, etc), then them knowing my pass isn't necessarily an issue, imho |
| 19:07.54 | Patlabor221 | all resolution switches are handled by DX |
| 19:08.15 | Patlabor221 | jsut as much as you trust an IRC server op |
| 19:08.19 | fiberchunks | since I don't use that pass on anything but 'stupid stuff' anyway (no flames -- I'm not implying bz is stupid! ;) ) |
| 19:08.27 | Chestal | fiber: yes, but I might get blind when looking at the passwd file when they're stored as plaintext :-) |
| 19:08.42 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 19:09.04 | Patlabor221 | I knew I should have made it a binary file |
| 19:09.11 | Chestal | Pat: noooo |
| 19:09.16 | Chestal | Pat: it's essential that it's text |
| 19:09.17 | Patlabor221 | I'm just kidding |
| 19:09.20 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 19:09.49 | Chestal | maybe I'll look at that md5 code later, if it's easy to use, it would be trivial to get it in |
| 19:09.57 | fiberchunks | I suppose, though, that this will be rectified with 'protocol-breaking release' and so on -- correct? |
| 19:10.09 | fiberchunks | when you can slap it in the client |
| 19:10.14 | Patlabor221 | all the password read/write/tests are in funcs so it shoudl be easy |
| 19:10.18 | Chestal | fibger: the right thing to do is using a private/public key pair |
| 19:10.38 | Chestal | Pat: I'm more concerned with the md5 code |
| 19:10.38 | fiberchunks | how much overhead would that involve, network wise? |
| 19:10.42 | fiberchunks | just curious |
| 19:10.44 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 19:11.21 | Chestal | fiber: it depends whetehr we wuld feel the need to secure the whoel ocmmunication, I don't think that's necessary |
| 19:11.37 | fiberchunks | although, since you connect to a server once, I suppose overhead wouldn't necessarily matter |
| 19:11.41 | Chestal | fiber: just usign it for authentification would be easy, just two messages |
| 19:11.53 | Patlabor221 | it IS just a game afterall |
| 19:11.57 | fiberchunks | yessir |
| 19:12.07 | fiberchunks | it is? according to whom ? ;) |
| 19:12.12 | Patlabor221 | me |
| 19:12.28 | Patlabor221 | and I am all that REALY matters in my own little world :) |
| 19:12.31 | fiberchunks | and there I was thinking I'd get a trophy or sumthin; boo-hoo :) |
| 19:12.32 | Patlabor221 | I just let you all play here :) |
| 19:12.42 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 19:12.55 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: some minutes for me? |
| 19:13.04 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 19:13.05 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: need you cl.exe / link.exe experience :) |
| 19:13.21 | fiberchunks | so, next question fore I get back to real work -- is the next 'big' release going to be 1.9, or will it jump back into 1.8 something |
| 19:13.24 | Patlabor221 | I don't do much but I will try |
| 19:13.31 | Patlabor221 | 1.9 |
| 19:13.32 | ak|ra | any ideas about http://141.44.198.27/~gumz/error.log |
| 19:13.46 | fiberchunks | thx |
| 19:14.43 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> if you look at spiff's ip, you can see the length of recording bzbb does, it's really quite impressive |
| 19:14.51 | Patlabor221 | looks like you got a lib that uses the std libs, and your trying to use the std libs in your apps |
| 19:15.35 | ak|ra | exactly, whats wrong with this? |
| 19:16.09 | Chestal | wow, md5 leaks on << |
| 19:16.34 | Patlabor221 | I've had issues like that with libs that use the std c libs, this is why I like Dlls |
| 19:17.01 | Patlabor221 | you can try to tell the app to ignore the conficling libs |
| 19:17.24 | Patlabor221 | wow, spif's got some IPs |
| 19:17.25 | Chestal | hmm, is it ok to modify the md5 files? |
| 19:17.27 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> btw, saw the forum post in the board questions: yes, I did get rid of it |
| 19:17.39 | Patlabor221 | ok, I thought you did |
| 19:17.43 | Patlabor221 | just makin sure |
| 19:17.51 | fiberchunks | if it causes major grief with a number of ppl, lemme know, and I can re-add it |
| 19:18.00 | Patlabor221 | it shouldn't |
| 19:18.09 | Patlabor221 | they shoudl all know the new URL, it's been what 4-5 months? |
| 19:18.11 | fiberchunks | I think 3 months is long enough |
| 19:18.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:18.20 | fiberchunks | has it been that long? wow |
| 19:18.26 | Patlabor221 | I dono |
| 19:18.30 | Patlabor221 | I'm just guessing :) |
| 19:18.53 | Patlabor221 | we moved on march 9 |
| 19:18.54 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: dont get it yet. all the libs are statics |
| 19:19.27 | Patlabor221 | that's the problem akira, one of your libs is inculding a std C lib, and your app is also including the same lib |
| 19:19.44 | Patlabor221 | hence the "localy defined symbol" stuff |
| 19:19.58 | ak|ra | but that are just warnings, the real hammer are the urnesolved symbols |
| 19:20.08 | Chestal | uh, the digest functions are evil! evil! |
| 19:20.29 | ak|ra | Chestal: did u take a look at glibc md5 ? |
| 19:20.37 | Chestal | I must change this, not quite sure about it becasue the files have some form of copyright header |
| 19:20.49 | Patlabor221 | looks like it can't find 2 tempates, and what the hell is vsprintf |
| 19:20.54 | Chestal | akira: nope |
| 19:21.27 | Chestal | Pat: a version of printf using va_list |
| 19:21.34 | ak|ra | Chestal: kernel? |
| 19:21.35 | Patlabor221 | where is it defined? |
| 19:21.58 | larsl | stdio + stdarg. |
| 19:22.09 | Chestal | akira: no, the md5 class that shps with bzflag |
| 19:22.25 | ak|ra | Chestal: ah .. is it borrowed from elsewhere? |
| 19:22.26 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-62-11-18-6.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 19:22.31 | Chestal | ptlabor: I don't think it's in c89, but it's in c99 and many older compilers came with it |
| 19:22.32 | ak|ra | i hate leda |
| 19:22.34 | Chestal | akira: yes |
| 19:22.34 | Patlabor221 | hmmm, then it shold be in msvcrt.lib |
| 19:23.00 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: i had to -nodefaultlib:"msvcrt.lib" for conflicting types ... |
| 19:23.04 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 19:23.16 | Patlabor221 | then that's why it can't find it |
| 19:23.33 | Patlabor221 | I'm betting one lib was built against a version of mscvrt.lib that didn't have those. |
| 19:24.16 | Patlabor221 | probably the cygwin stuff |
| 19:24.53 | Patlabor221 | I don't know how to resolve it tho |
| 19:25.25 | ak|ra | i dont use cygwin |
| 19:25.35 | Patlabor221 | -libpath:C:/cygwin/Leda-4.1/lib |
| 19:25.43 | ak|ra | i dont use cygwin |
| 19:25.48 | ak|ra | its just the path for leda |
| 19:25.56 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 19:26.04 | ak|ra | i use cygwin just for gnumake |
| 19:26.19 | ak|ra | compiler is intels c++ v7 and nothing else |
| 19:26.33 | ak|ra | of coz the crappy stl-header of m$ and the VERY crappy LEDA |
| 19:26.49 | ak|ra | example of funny ledafoo? |
| 19:27.00 | ak|ra | #define leda_vector vector |
| 19:27.07 | Patlabor221 | yes the VC 6 stl headers sucks |
| 19:27.16 | ak|ra | guess what will happen if u do a std::vector< foo > ... |
| 19:27.16 | Patlabor221 | we replaced them with the ones from VC7 |
| 19:27.26 | Chestal | hehe, cool defines |
| 19:27.33 | ak|ra | some say the stlport is groovy |
| 19:27.56 | Chestal | the most evil define I saw once ago in some M$ header file, and not an unusual one |
| 19:28.06 | Chestal | I forgot what they defined, but it was a quite common word, something like |
| 19:28.12 | Patlabor221 | problaby an AFX define |
| 19:28.18 | Chestal | #define buffer ..... |
| 19:28.19 | Patlabor221 | those are fugly |
| 19:28.26 | ak|ra | fugly :)) |
| 19:28.35 | ak|ra | another example of great ledafoo? |
| 19:28.44 | Chestal | it wasn't that word, but one whch has a 10% probability to be used in a random project |
| 19:29.01 | ak|ra | "please start our licencekeymaker and send the result back to us, so we cand send u a valid license" |
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| 19:29.28 | ak|ra | segfault crash boom |
| 19:29.29 | Chestal | where are the license gurus in here? |
| 19:29.36 | Chestal | I want to change the md5 stuff |
| 19:29.42 | Chestal | but I'm afraid to :-) |
| 19:29.57 | ak|ra | mail to the buddies: hey, it doesnt work, segfault -> reply: here is the sourcecode, compile it for yourself. |
| 19:29.58 | bzgirl | hi learner |
| 19:30.05 | Patlabor221 | for fear of the gnucops getin ya? |
| 19:30.06 | ak|ra | compiler -> syntaxerror |
| 19:30.07 | learner | howdy, girl |
| 19:30.28 | ak|ra | andfor what? to get out hostname and another info |
| 19:30.52 | Chestal | uuh, a myriad of errors whiel building bzflag |
| 19:30.54 | Chestal | what's that? |
| 19:31.32 | Chestal | ah, my fault |
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| 19:50.11 | Nidhoggr | pat.. did his resume have his address, etc., on it? |
| 19:50.26 | Patlabor221 | let me see |
| 19:50.33 | learner | I'm going to have to colocate to get better bandwidth |
| 19:50.43 | Patlabor221 | yes :) |
| 19:50.45 | Nidhoggr | I'll give you a good deal :) |
| 19:50.49 | Nidhoggr | can you dcc me the resume? |
| 19:51.23 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: the file again |
| 19:51.54 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 19:51.55 | TimRiker | Chestal: license? hit me. |
| 19:52.10 | ak|ra | *hit me baby one more time* :) |
| 19:52.26 | Chestal | TimRiker: ah :-) the md5 class is scary, I'd like to change it. But it has this header in it |
| 19:52.30 | TimRiker | ~lart ak|ra |
| 19:52.45 | TimRiker | what would you like to change? |
| 19:53.00 | Chestal | TimRiker: everything :-) |
| 19:53.08 | Chestal | TimRiker: worst part is that the digest functins ar broken by design |
| 19:53.09 | ak|ra | TimRiker: :) |
| 19:53.10 | Chestal | they leak |
| 19:53.29 | Chestal | they return a buffer which is allocated by new, or in case of an error they return "" |
| 19:53.35 | ak|ra | tim, do you have any ideas about the errors in http://141.44.198.27/~gumz/error.log? |
| 19:53.49 | Chestal | and the << operator uses hexdigest and never frees the allocated buffer |
| 19:53.55 | Chestal | whoever wrote this class had no clue |
| 19:54.21 | Chestal | there's also a c'tor in the header file which has no implementatin in the .cc file |
| 19:54.47 | TimRiker | Chestal: you might want to look for the original rsa version and modify that? |
| 19:55.38 | Chestal | TimRiker: the header just says that it's based on RSA code/algorithm and been converted by this guy |
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| 19:55.57 | doughecka | greetings |
| 19:56.40 | TimRiker | http://cvs.gnupg.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/mutt/md5c.c?rev=2.1&cvsroot=Mutt&content-type=text/plain |
| 19:56.52 | TimRiker | that't the version I believe it's based on. |
| 19:58.26 | Chestal | looks like it, yes |
| 19:58.40 | TimRiker | http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/1321/12.htm <- probably a better place to start. |
| 20:00.05 | Patlabor221 | where is richardson, texas? |
| 20:00.34 | TimRiker | http://rfc.net/rfc1321.html <- reference rfc 1321 as the source. |
| 20:00.39 | TimRiker | ~rfc 1321 |
| 20:00.40 | | rumour has it, rfc 1321 is The MD5 Message-Digest Algorithm. R. Rivest. April 1992. (Format: TXT=35222 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) |
| 20:01.04 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: about a mile from me. why? |
| 20:05.20 | larsl | Patlabor221: That's where Spoogebob lives? |
| 20:05.50 | ak|ra | Chestal: u could use /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r5/crypto/digests/digest-md5.c too :) |
| 20:06.23 | fiberchunks | now that would be too funny -- have Mr. Riker walk, I say again, _walk_ to spoogebob's house and whack 'im with the big hammer ;) |
| 20:06.52 | larsl | "Mr Spoogebob, I presume?" |
| 20:06.59 | Tupone | larsl: Have you got problem with the src/bzflag/Makefile.am? To me, it screw up the screen |
| 20:07.11 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 20:07.23 | larsl | Tupone: No, no problems. |
| 20:07.29 | larsl | None that I've noticed anyway. =) |
| 20:07.58 | Tupone | larsl: automake say me it does not allow defining LDADD on conditional |
| 20:08.05 | Patlabor221 | LOL, yeah tim could go say hi to he who is suspected of being spoogebob |
| 20:08.11 | TimRiker | heh. I think I'd drive. http://www.dallashighfive.org/ The Dallas 5 high project is between us. |
| 20:08.12 | Tupone | I report printout: |
| 20:08.37 | Tupone | src/bzflag/Makefile.am:74: LDADD was already defined in condition TRUE, which im |
| 20:08.37 | Tupone | plies condition WIN32_TRUE |
| 20:08.37 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.37 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.37 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.39 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.41 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.43 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.45 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.47 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.49 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.51 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.53 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.55 | Patlabor221 | thats too funny |
| 20:08.55 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.57 | Tupone | src/bzflag/Makefile.am:74: LDADD was already defined in condition TRUE, which im |
| 20:08.59 | Tupone | plies condition WIN32_FALSE |
| 20:09.01 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.01 | TimRiker | Tupone: cut the spam... what;s the issue? |
| 20:09.03 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.05 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.09 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.10 | larsl | Ick. |
| 20:09.11 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.13 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.15 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.17 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.18 | *** kick/#BZFlag [Tupone!~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com] by TimRiker (TimRiker) |
| 20:09.23 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 20:09.35 | TimRiker | no ban, just a kick... |
| 20:09.35 | Patlabor221 | I feel bad when I paste over 5 lines |
| 20:09.44 | Patlabor221 | of course |
| 20:10.05 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: u are bad deep within u :) |
| 20:10.17 | Patlabor221 | I am? |
| 20:10.38 | larsl | It looks like newer automake doesn't like adding stuff to LDADD inside conditional statements. |
| 20:10.39 | ak|ra | worst and most evil of all |
| 20:10.45 | ak|ra | by the way |
| 20:10.48 | ak|ra | where is cell? |
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| 20:11.00 | Patlabor221 | have no clue |
| 20:11.00 | Tupone | Sorry to all :( |
| 20:11.51 | larsl | Tupone: There was a problem with that file (it didn't compute library dependencies correctly, at least not with automake 1.4), and that change seemed to help. Appearently newer automake doesn't like it. =P |
| 20:12.06 | TimRiker | Tupone: so what is the issue? you said it messes up the screen? don't know how a source file could do that... please explain. |
| 20:12.45 | Tupone | The oldest automake I got is 1-5. So I cannot try with larsl 1.4 |
| 20:13.26 | Tupone | My newest patch on linking client and servers with different library seems to damage larsl. |
| 20:13.44 | Tupone | Bu the fixes larsl have done damage my building |
| 20:13.50 | larsl | Actually, it was Chestal who noticed it. |
| 20:14.37 | Tupone | So. One thing I can do is to download automake 1.4. But this is the way? |
| 20:14.55 | larsl | But I think I know how to fix it - define a new variable TMPLDADD inside the conditional statement, and set LDADD to TMPLDADD after the conditional. |
| 20:15.26 | larsl | Since it seems to think that LDADD is defined several times, and doesn't like that. |
| 20:16.13 | Tupone | If you got problem I can try to work on it? But I need automake and autoconf version that you use! |
| 20:16.37 | Tupone | automake 1.4 and autoconf ? |
| 20:16.51 | TimRiker | http://www.dallashighfive.org/overview/plans_north.stm <- my office in in the dark triangle at the bottom of the picture. |
| 20:17.08 | larsl | Tupone: 2.13. |
| 20:17.32 | fiberchunks | TimRiker> I'd love to lend you a big hammer, if you /might/ need one ;) |
| 20:17.55 | TimRiker | fiberchunks: heh. all I have here are caclculators to throw. |
| 20:17.57 | Tupone | OK I'll try to work on it! Which problem is the one you got? |
| 20:18.02 | fiberchunks | hehe |
| 20:18.23 | larsl | I don't have a problem. |
| 20:18.30 | larsl | It all works. |
| 20:18.43 | Tupone | I mean why you changed Makefile.am |
| 20:19.13 | larsl | Because bzflag wouldn't get rebuilt when the static libraries were changed. |
| 20:19.53 | Tupone | That's OK. I'll try to make it work the way you do. |
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| 20:22.43 | greg1 | Hi all |
| 20:23.13 | Mayhem | hi greg :) |
| 20:23.18 | greg1 | hey :) |
| 20:31.52 | hardwire | ah.. greg.. ;) |
| 20:31.54 | hardwire | I have been waiting for you |
| 20:32.10 | greg1 | yes hardwire ? :) |
| 20:32.20 | hardwire | tehy say you're the man to talk to.. |
| 20:32.39 | greg1 | oh well, I like it yes :) |
| 20:32.49 | greg1 | please talk to me |
| 20:32.58 | hardwire | ok then! |
| 20:33.25 | hardwire | I really have nothing more to say to you ;( |
| 20:33.33 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: if i nodefaultlib"msvcrt.lib" .. whats the ugly part about this? |
| 20:33.35 | [dmp] | heh |
| 20:33.35 | greg1 | :/ |
| 20:33.40 | greg1 | Hi dmp |
| 20:33.43 | [dmp] | Hi greg1 |
| 20:33.52 | Mayhem | hi dmp |
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| 20:33.58 | [dmp] | .. and Mayhem :) |
| 20:34.01 | Patlabor221 | I say do what ever works |
| 20:35.38 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: for me? |
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| 20:35.55 | Patlabor221 | sure, do what ever compiles |
| 20:36.21 | ak|ra | :) |
| 20:36.25 | Tupone | larsl: toc toc |
| 20:36.31 | ak|ra | i hate somehow the win32 foo |
| 20:36.32 | ak|ra | :) |
| 20:36.43 | Patlabor221 | why use it the? |
| 20:36.58 | ak|ra | have to |
| 20:37.21 | Patlabor221 | rebel |
| 20:37.22 | ak|ra | the people for who the program is dont have linuxmagic |
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| 20:37.38 | Patlabor221 | get guns, make them use linux :) |
| 20:38.14 | ak|ra | :)) |
| 20:38.21 | ak|ra | would be easiear indeed |
| 20:46.00 | Patlabor221 | I'm tempted to just post in the last spoogebob post on BZBB, and tell them to call him Stephen. |
| 20:46.07 | Patlabor221 | and that's it. |
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| 20:46.22 | Nidhoggr | he posted on bzbb? |
| 20:46.30 | Patlabor221 | no they posted about im |
| 20:46.31 | Nidhoggr | ah. |
| 20:46.36 | Nidhoggr | that might be funny. |
| 20:47.12 | Tupone | ACTION |
| 20:47.18 | Patlabor221 | REACTION! |
| 20:47.48 | Tupone | How USER COMMAND like ACTION works? |
| 20:47.56 | Patlabor221 | wow somone is looking at BZBB from OrgName: Ford Motor Company |
| 20:47.57 | Mayhem | ooh, matrix reloaded is sweet... |
| 20:47.57 | Patlabor221 | OrgID: FORDMO |
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| 20:49.31 | Tupone | TimRiker: I fixed Makefile.am. Wait for larsl to try? |
| 20:50.46 | Nidhoggr | afk to reboot customer box. back in a bit. |
| 21:02.37 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> while you're at it, post his resume and full contact info as well :) |
| 21:03.01 | Patlabor221 | no, have to draw it out. makes more drama that way. |
| 21:03.12 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 21:09.06 | bzgirl | is there a way to turn of that flash thingy derv posted in the spooge thread? i left my volume on high and it scared the hell out of me |
| 21:10.45 | [dmp] | I guess that depends on the browser |
| 21:10.57 | bzgirl | oh, mozila |
| 21:11.19 | [dmp] | i only use opera (moz dosnt work) |
| 21:11.31 | Mayhem | you still haven't fixed that dmp? |
| 21:11.43 | Patlabor221 | I am rempving it now. I took out iframes so there will be no more of them |
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| 21:12.23 | [dmp] | Mayhem: didnt really tried. Got a new problem thats more annoying. And I like opera too (used it on windows as well) |
| 21:12.41 | Mayhem | yeah, opera is good |
| 21:13.53 | [dmp] | Its mail-client is working okay too. So Ill stick with it for now |
| 21:14.40 | Patlabor221 | there we go, no more iframes |
| 21:33.00 | TimRiker | Tupone: put it in if you think it's the final. as long as you'll be here to answer any issues. ;-) |
| 21:33.33 | Tupone | OK! So I can easily continue with the enable-client. |
| 21:34.59 | TimRiker | sure. does enable-client dist the whole tree yes? |
| 21:35.08 | TimRiker | er ... yet? |
| 21:35.10 | CIA | commit by atupone: automake doesn't like += interspaced with conditional |
| 21:35.56 | Tupone | I'm thinking a solution to have 0 effect on make dist |
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| 21:42.52 | TimRiker | src/bzflag/Makefile.am:73: variable `RESOURCE' not defined |
| 21:44.27 | TimRiker | RESOURCE = |
| 21:44.28 | TimRiker | if WIN32 |
| 21:44.28 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.28 | TimRiker | endif |
| 21:44.32 | TimRiker | works for me. |
| 21:44.49 | Tupone | ok automake problem. It worked for me ....:)) |
| 21:45.15 | TimRiker | try that commit. |
| 21:45.16 | CIA | commit by timriker: try again? |
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| 21:46.49 | bzgirl | hi bryjen, is your server running? |
| 21:47.11 | bryjen | hi. No, not until 6 PM Central |
| 21:47.13 | Nidhoggr | doing the routing fixes on dragon.org so I can get the server back up this evening. *cheer* |
| 21:49.03 | bryjen | My refrigerator is running, but its got a short cord, so it won't get far :) |
| 21:49.16 | bzgirl | :) |
| 21:49.23 | Chestal | my MD5 class is finished, but it created wrogn rsults |
| 21:51.03 | TimRiker | well then it's not finished is it? ;-) |
| 21:51.18 | Tupone | TimRiker: It doesn't like: "RESOURCE was already defined in condition TRUE" |
| 21:52.06 | TimRiker | crap crap crap |
| 21:52.24 | bryjen | Almost 5. Time to change the backup tapes. |
| 21:53.33 | Chestal | TimRiker: well, the code is all there, first time I could test it |
| 21:56.34 | Nidhoggr | is there a way to run stuff as a user in chroot, instead of running it as root? |
| 21:57.14 | TimRiker | k. try that out... |
| 21:57.15 | CIA | commit by timriker: remove leading spaces |
| 21:58.06 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: what "stuff" ? I use fakeroot under debian for those kind of things. |
| 21:58.18 | Nidhoggr | running bzfs in a sandbox |
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| 21:58.26 | Nidhoggr | and running it as user bzflag |
| 21:58.32 | TimRiker | bzfs does not need root. |
| 21:58.35 | kunphuzil | When I run bzflag, it doesn't run full screen :/ |
| 21:58.37 | Tupone | TimRiker: automake digested it |
| 21:58.47 | TimRiker | to be more clear.... do NOT run bzfs as root. |
| 21:58.50 | Nidhoggr | I know that.. but chroot requires you run it as rot |
| 21:58.52 | Patlabor221 | what OS kunph? |
| 21:59.07 | kunphuzil | Patlabor221: Linux Gentoo |
| 21:59.20 | Patlabor221 | ahh donon bout lin |
| 21:59.27 | TimRiker | but you can then "su - nobody" and then run bzfs. |
| 22:00.11 | Patlabor221 | I know others use gentoo fine, what card? |
| 22:00.22 | Nidhoggr | or suid bzfs as nobody, might work. |
| 22:02.26 | JBDiGriz | It's been a while since I've played with chroot, but I thought you could use any user as long as there is an /etc/passwd in the root'ed environment. |
| 22:02.37 | Nidhoggr | that could be. |
| 22:04.06 | TimRiker | I'd prefer "su nobody -c bzfs" or similar. |
| 22:05.24 | Nidhoggr | tim, I won't run bzfs out of a chrooted environment. chmod +s makes it run as whoever the owner is, so that works for me... and it runs chrooted from my script now. |
| 22:05.38 | Nidhoggr | as nobody |
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| 22:08.37 | Patlabor221 | welcome back |
| 22:09.03 | Nidhoggr | whee |
| 22:09.04 | JBDiGriz | What was that? |
| 22:09.12 | Nidhoggr | netsplit/rejoin |
| 22:09.32 | Patlabor221 | ride the split GIR, ride the split! |
| 22:13.45 | Tupone | TimRiker: It works for me (your last commit). |
| 22:21.57 | TimRiker | sweet, |
| 22:22.11 | TimRiker | wait for larsl I guess. ;-) |
| 22:22.36 | Tupone | I'll try to stay asleep, for awhile |
| 22:22.44 | TimRiker | heh |
| 22:22.49 | Patlabor221 | sleep is for the weak |
| 22:23.19 | TimRiker | Someone Else (tm) can fix it it you want to sleep. |
| 22:23.32 | Tupone | Patlabor221: where are you from? |
| 22:23.40 | Patlabor221 | California |
| 22:23.41 | JBDiGriz | Are you and captain picking on us "old guys" again? |
| 22:23.53 | Patlabor221 | how old do you think I am? |
| 22:24.32 | Tupone | TimRiker: I'll trying the disable-client option, then ... I RIP |
| 22:25.01 | JBDiGriz | Young enough to program all night. |
| 22:25.19 | Patlabor221 | hehe, no not realy |
| 22:25.28 | Patlabor221 | I get pooped bout 12 |
| 22:25.28 | fiberchunks | ^^^^^ is old geezer |
| 22:25.32 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 22:25.35 | Patlabor221 | and it's only 3:24 here |
| 22:25.45 | Patlabor221 | am I older then you fiber? |
| 22:25.58 | fiberchunks | think so |
| 22:26.00 | fiberchunks | 30 |
| 22:26.08 | Patlabor221 | what month? |
| 22:26.09 | JBDiGriz | Where were you in '62? |
| 22:26.15 | fiberchunks | not born ;) |
| 22:26.24 | JBDiGriz | Exactly! :) |
| 22:26.26 | Patlabor221 | in 62 yeah not boorn |
| 22:26.33 | Patlabor221 | but 10 years later, yes |
| 22:26.34 | fiberchunks | my brother, however, was |
| 22:26.44 | Chestal | MD5 class is finished |
| 22:26.50 | Chestal | someoen care to test it on Windows? |
| 22:26.59 | Patlabor221 | I can when I get home |
| 22:27.11 | JBDiGriz | If you're looking for a Mac tester, let me know. |
| 22:27.12 | bryjen | does the -mcpu=i686 in the compiler command mean optimise behaivor for i686 or does that go as far as using i686 specific instructions? |
| 22:27.18 | Chestal | k, I'll put it up somewhere |
| 22:27.30 | fiberchunks | lol! |
| 22:27.32 | Chestal | JBDI: that would be g++? |
| 22:27.53 | bryjen | Patlabor221: do you have his ICBM address? |
| 22:28.06 | fiberchunks | his ballistic missile address? ;) |
| 22:28.07 | Patlabor221 | no, just his normal one. |
| 22:28.11 | JBDiGriz | Chestal: I can use that. |
| 22:28.32 | Patlabor221 | well suspected |
| 22:28.35 | bryjen | fiberchunks: old joke about putting lat/long addresses in DNS to resolve IPs to |
| 22:29.17 | bryjen | fiberchunks: the resource record type was proposed as ICBM |
| 22:29.22 | fiberchunks | yes, yes, we mustn't jump the gun on this, and have the wrath of all things bz brought down upon some poor slob |
| 22:30.10 | JBDiGriz | There's also a possibility of several different spooges. |
| 22:30.29 | fiberchunks | I understood the first part, but the second part threw me |
| 22:30.37 | Tupone | bryjen: Tune to i686 everything applicable about the generated code, except for the ABI and the set of available instruction. |
| 22:30.45 | Patlabor221 | that is a posibility, but nid, has all of the ones on his server were from the texas area |
| 22:31.11 | bryjen | name to address records are type A, address to name are type PTR (pointer), email uses type MX to find Mail eXchanger |
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| 22:31.56 | bryjen | so entries to find lattitude and longitude from a IP address or DNS name would be of type code ICBM |
| 22:32.04 | JBDiGriz | fiberchunks : bryjen might be another geezer around here. |
| 22:32.20 | bryjen | whew. What a long way for such a weak joke. :) |
| 22:32.32 | fiberchunks | heh -- that's cause you have an idiot in the room |
| 22:32.33 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 22:32.49 | bryjen | Is spooge _here_ ? ;) |
| 22:33.10 | Patlabor221 | nonoe knows |
| 22:33.44 | Chestal | get it from http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/bzflag/md5.tgz |
| 22:34.10 | Nidhoggr | while there is an idea that there might be a few different spoogebobs, 13/15 of the ips I got from him are all on swbell adsl, which is dhcp and rotates often. |
| 22:34.31 | Nidhoggr | and his MO is identical in all situations, down to language and mannerisms. |
| 22:35.00 | bryjen | Ahhh, so my bzfs automake'd on my Pentium 4 using -mcpu=i686 should run fine on the clunker 100MHz Classic Pentium that lives on as my server. |
| 22:35.01 | fiberchunks | but then again, he's been known to jump ips constantly (one night on turkey, he logged on I think 4 different times, with 4 diff. IPs) |
| 22:35.17 | Nidhoggr | all the ips I have him from are the same provider |
| 22:35.21 | Nidhoggr | except 2 |
| 22:36.06 | Patlabor221 | naw he graduated |
| 22:36.06 | fiberchunks | or was, whatever |
| 22:36.16 | fiberchunks | into 'upper-class' moron |
| 22:36.17 | Nidhoggr | stib has his database... he can prolly provide me with the ips, and I'd bet they are all adsl swbell ips.. or the majority of them. |
| 22:36.19 | fiberchunks | no doubt |
| 22:36.30 | Patlabor221 | University of Arkansas in 93 |
| 22:36.30 | Tupone | bryjen: can be little slower than if -mcpu=586 |
| 22:36.32 | bryjen | I believe all the IP's I've seen it come from are from the same provider |
| 22:36.47 | Nidhoggr | same here.. I keep logs for a long time. |
| 22:37.03 | Patlabor221 | he's on sbc, they do dhcp for there DSLs |
| 22:37.11 | bryjen | Tupone: Not the fastest PC anyway and seems OK. Thanks. |
| 22:37.12 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 22:37.12 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> LOL -- oh this is gunna be F...U...N! |
| 22:37.26 | Patlabor221 | he's a "razorback" |
| 22:37.44 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> not necessarily, unless pppoe is considered dhcp |
| 22:38.01 | fiberchunks | sbc does pppoe with the accounts in new england anywho |
| 22:38.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah I am on sbc as well |
| 22:38.16 | bryjen | PPP has address assignment mechanisms in itself |
| 22:38.18 | Patlabor221 | I get a new IP EVERY time i reconnect |
| 22:38.41 | Patlabor221 | well what ever, he can change his IP by reseting his router. |
| 22:38.56 | bryjen | yeah, same effect |
| 22:38.58 | Patlabor221 | I spend that money on an extra 128k up |
| 22:39.32 | bryjen | I've got yer static right here |
| 22:39.41 | fiberchunks | actually, I've been looking at this place called netplex, to change providers (still use snet), but better u/s capacity, and cheaper too |
| 22:39.41 | Nidhoggr | hahahaha |
| 22:39.43 | bryjen | :) |
| 22:39.46 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 22:40.01 | Nidhoggr | I'm just glad the guy finally slipped up. |
| 22:40.08 | Patlabor221 | I pay 49 a month for 1.5 megs down 256 up |
| 22:40.13 | Nidhoggr | it'll make things a little easier to deal with from here on. |
| 22:40.17 | Patlabor221 | and I often get more then 256 up |
| 22:40.50 | Chestal | any1 who wants to test my small MD5 class, please download http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/bzflag/md5.tgz |
| 22:40.50 | fiberchunks | stephen? oh stephen! stop teamkilling, stephen! we know where you live, stephen! |
| 22:41.24 | bryjen | My cable provider uses DHCP, but I generally get the same address over and over. It only changes ever few months or so. |
| 22:41.32 | Nidhoggr | same here |
| 22:41.38 | Nidhoggr | cox changes very infrequently. |
| 22:42.26 | fiberchunks | course, now there's this player (I think legitimate), who goes by the handle spongebob -- joy |
| 22:43.08 | bryjen | That's straight from the cartoon -- no perveted spelling changes |
| 22:43.21 | fiberchunks | right -- |
| 22:43.58 | fiberchunks | hey, i'll ask in here...anyone familiar with iptables? |
| 22:44.06 | bryjen | fiberchunks: a bit |
| 22:44.13 | JBDiGriz | Chestal: It all checks out according to the results you sent in the readme |
| 22:44.37 | fiberchunks | q: if I have a box behind a nat router (linksys), and I wanna run iptables on it -- must I use the nat modules for iptables? |
| 22:44.55 | fiberchunks | suppose further that I want to run a web server from this box eventually |
| 22:44.57 | fiberchunks | ? |
| 22:45.08 | Chestal | JBD: fine |
| 22:45.22 | bryjen | fiberchunks: i wouldn't think so. All the NAT should be handled by the router. |
| 22:45.51 | JBDiGriz | Chestal : If you want a quick shell script which tests it, let me know. |
| 22:45.58 | fiberchunks | that's what I would think as well -- somehow, however, when I light off apache, and iptables -- outside folks time out trying to get to my machine |
| 22:46.10 | bryjen | fiberchunks: the stuff you'd worry about at the box itself would just be filtering |
| 22:46.29 | fiberchunks | and I time out trying to get to it from inside -- btw -- both 80 and 443 (https) are open in iptables -- it's very odd |
| 22:46.48 | fiberchunks | bryjen, yah, so just the ip_tables and iptable_filter modules, correct? |
| 22:46.56 | fiberchunks | and perhaps ULOG or LOG for logging |
| 22:47.10 | bryjen | fiberchunks: either the NAT on your router isn't getting the to the right place, or you iptables filters aren't quite right and blocking them |
| 22:47.25 | fiberchunks | I'm going with option 2 |
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| 22:47.39 | Chestal | JBD: do you think of feeding it the tesst strings and compare the results automatically? |
| 22:47.41 | fiberchunks | it's from a script, so I'll have to wheedle out the culprit |
| 22:47.57 | fiberchunks | bryjen> would you say the offending rule is a DENY or REJECT, or DROP? |
| 22:48.08 | fiberchunks | if it's timing out |
| 22:48.19 | JBDiGriz | I just use echo -n before running ./md5test << EOF to run and then save the output. |
| 22:48.25 | bryjen | fiberchunks: DROP |
| 22:48.30 | JBDiGriz | It's a simple diff after that. |
| 22:48.34 | Chestal | JBD: the next test should be on windows anyway with visual c++, no shell scripts there :-) |
| 22:48.37 | fiberchunks | bryjen> thx, that gives me some good insight |
| 22:49.04 | JBDiGriz | I have never used a windows box for more than 1 hour before downloading cygwin! |
| 22:49.22 | bryjen | fiberchunks: i think DENY or REJECT would probly get you an error message in the web browser. I think. Meebee.... |
| 22:49.41 | fiberchunks | bryjen> that's why I asked -- seems that I've read that into the docs as well |
| 22:51.42 | bryjen | Oooof. Its late and here I sit at work. /me /msg me Go Home! |
| 22:59.50 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: build on irix w/out linking graphics libs to server |
| 23:00.20 | Tupone | captain_proton: make dist does not work on a separate directory |
| 23:00.59 | Patlabor221 | chestal that MD5 class won't even buld on windows |
| 23:01.03 | Tupone | captain_proton: does not "include" the whole include directory |
| 23:01.13 | prot-work | hmm |
| 23:01.16 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.22 | Patlabor221 | that is no good |
| 23:01.26 | Patlabor221 | in the class |
| 23:01.28 | prot-work | Makefile.am problem? could be the wildcards |
| 23:02.38 | Tupone | Suppose so! I'm trying another option --disable-client so I'll prefer to work on this. Then ... |
| 23:02.47 | Nidhoggr | hrm |
| 23:06.12 | Chestal | Pat: uhm, probably a VC++-problem, it should work |
| 23:06.34 | Patlabor221 | can you do asignments in a class? |
| 23:06.37 | Chestal | we can always make it an enum |
| 23:06.40 | Patlabor221 | I thought that was a nono |
| 23:06.46 | Chestal | for static consts, yes |
| 23:06.51 | Patlabor221 | well it won't build |
| 23:07.01 | Chestal | Pat: vc6? |
| 23:07.06 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:07.21 | Chestal | IÄm pretty sure vc7 will build it. Anyway, I'l change it |
| 23:08.03 | Patlabor221 | VC7 sucks |
| 23:08.16 | Chestal | why? the C++ compiler is pretty good |
| 23:08.22 | Chestal | almost conforming to the standard |
| 23:08.24 | Patlabor221 | the rest of it SUCKs |
| 23:08.30 | Chestal | well, change that line to enum {blocksize = 64} |
| 23:08.32 | Chestal | ; |
| 23:08.41 | Patlabor221 | the VC7 compier crashes on our templates |
| 23:08.51 | Chestal | uh? that#s bad |
| 23:08.54 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:08.57 | Chestal | but at least it can do templates :-) |
| 23:09.14 | Patlabor221 | VC6 does the templates just fine. |
| 23:09.19 | Chestal | not really |
| 23:09.31 | Chestal | lots of problems with patial specialization and member templates |
| 23:09.41 | Patlabor221 | it does the ones that crash VC7 just fine :) |
| 23:09.52 | Chestal | you can't have everything :-9 |
| 23:09.54 | Patlabor221 | aka the ones we use in our product |
| 23:09.55 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 23:10.01 | Patlabor221 | I am going to try VC8 soon |
| 23:10.11 | Chestal | didn't know it exists |
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| 23:10.20 | Patlabor221 | oooo bad chestal, main dosn't return a value |
| 23:10.31 | Noodleman | i saw crs' name in the credits for finding nemo :-) |
| 23:10.40 | Chestal | Pat: that's ok, too by the standard |
| 23:10.43 | Chestal | defaults to return 0 :-) |
| 23:10.54 | Tupone | captain_proton: I limited the enable-client action just to the final bzflag link. If event intermadiate link should be removed, it's easy to do |
| 23:10.55 | JBDiGriz | Chestal: I mailed the script to you on centrum. |
| 23:10.59 | Patlabor221 | not in the crap that is VC6 |
| 23:11.01 | Chestal | JBDiGriz: thanks |
| 23:11.03 | Noodleman | just watched it for the 3rd time |
| 23:11.09 | Noodleman | call me hopeless if you wish :-) |
| 23:11.18 | JBDiGriz | Noodleman: Moof! |
| 23:11.25 | Noodleman | m00f0rz |
| 23:12.16 | JBDiGriz | I brought my kids to Nemo this past weekend, I liked it more than they did. |
| 23:12.27 | Patlabor221 | well the MD5 of "a" worked |
| 23:12.38 | Noodleman | pixar's movies just keep getting better and better |
| 23:12.49 | Nidhoggr | I loved finding nemo |
| 23:13.10 | Noodleman | i give it 5 1/2 out of 5 stars |
| 23:13.23 | JBDiGriz | The technology keeps getting better, but some of the original movies were great as well! |
| 23:13.38 | Patlabor221 | and "abc" worked too, so it looks fine with that one change |
| 23:13.44 | Nidhoggr | I giggled a lot. that is a good thing. :) |
| 23:14.16 | Chestal | Pat: good, good. Can you please try the very long one? |
| 23:14.42 | Patlabor221 | I can try |
| 23:14.47 | Patlabor221 | if I can paste |
| 23:15.46 | Patlabor221 | yeah looks fine |
| 23:17.12 | Chestal | thanks |
| 23:17.37 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 23:17.44 | Chestal | actually, it's not _that_ different from the md5 class we have in bzfalg right now, but that's not surprising becasue they both base on the reference implementation |
| 23:17.54 | Chestal | but at least mine doesn't leak memory :-) |
| 23:18.09 | Patlabor221 | looks nice and clean too |
| 23:19.03 | Chestal | back to voyager for me |
| 23:19.06 | prot-work | ooh |
| 23:19.08 | prot-work | scandalous |
| 23:19.18 | prot-work | irix winterm treats pageup as shift+pageup |
| 23:19.41 | CIA | commit by atupone: bzflag client built as an option --disable-client |
| 23:20.28 | Tupone | captain_proton: Fixes on configure.in are supposed to work? GLIBS variable is replaced by the next instruction ... |
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| 23:21.24 | prot-work | Tupone: should work, couldof typoed it, testing it now |
| 23:21.48 | Tupone | captain_proton: I say, for irix or solaris I see problem |
| 23:21.49 | prot-work | Tupone: what line are you looking at? |
| 23:22.07 | Tupone | captain_proton: The first setting of GLIBS |
| 23:22.14 | prot-work | line # ? :P |
| 23:22.18 | Tupone | 92 |
| 23:22.32 | Tupone | the line 103 |
| 23:22.40 | Tupone | s/the/then/ |
| 23:22.55 | prot-work | 103 includes $(GLIBS) |
| 23:23.25 | Tupone | Ya, I see now , but you get 2 -lX11 |
| 23:23.31 | prot-work | eh |
| 23:23.41 | prot-work | does anybody really mind? :P |
| 23:23.42 | Tupone | for irix |
| 23:24.02 | Tupone | No! I did not read it carefully |
| 23:25.38 | Tupone | I made that --enable-client or --disable-client. I only disable generation of bzflag. Don't know if Tim ask to remove also other library |
| 23:28.21 | Nidhoggr | when I do a ./configure I get config.status: error: cannot find input file: debian/Makefile.in and I don't have debian |
| 23:28.51 | prot-work | Nidhoggr: rerun autogen.sh |
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| 23:29.01 | TimRiker | library? if bzflag is not being built, then none of the bzflag only libraries should be built either. |
| 23:29.55 | Nidhoggr | w00 |
| 23:30.04 | michaelh2 | how does the "academic" stuff work with microsoft products over the web? |
| 23:30.31 | prot-work | michaelh2: you mean MSDNAA? |
| 23:30.33 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:30.57 | michaelh2 | like visual studio academic |
| 23:31.03 | michaelh2 | 500 vs 125 :) |
| 23:31.10 | prot-work | oh that |
| 23:31.14 | michaelh2 | not a lot money here <-- |
| 23:32.27 | michaelh2 | wondering if microsquash will come knocking on the door one day if I get it :) |
| 23:32.36 | Patlabor221 | it's the same basic thing, just no optimisations, and if they find you selling software they bust your knees |
| 23:32.44 | Patlabor221 | and it dosn't come with a MSDN subscription |
| 23:33.39 | JBDiGriz | What's your reason for getting it, besides a burning desire to give M$ more of your money? |
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| 23:33.55 | doughecka | greetings |
| 23:34.01 | michaelh2 | an internship I am working on -- they are going to use some of it |
| 23:34.49 | michaelh2 | I don't know -- the internship ppl might work somethign out I suppose |
| 23:35.06 | Patlabor221 | often that have licenses for there interns |
| 23:35.20 | Patlabor221 | most companies ( like us) get site licenses |
| 23:35.37 | michaelh2 | It's not quite a real company though -- couple of people who got together more or less |
| 23:35.44 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 23:35.55 | michaelh2 | I'm not "spiffy" enough to get a real internship :) |
| 23:36.00 | Patlabor221 | well you could do what we did at my other company, get one on Ebay |
| 23:36.08 | JBDiGriz | They should be able to set you up with what you need. As an intern, you shouldn't be paying for it yourself. |
| 23:36.09 | Patlabor221 | we got VC6 for like 75$ |
| 23:36.21 | michaelh2 | but .net? |
| 23:36.29 | michaelh2 | oh.. you mean academic version? |
| 23:36.38 | Patlabor221 | no full version |
| 23:36.42 | Patlabor221 | this was before .net |
| 23:37.02 | michaelh2 | I'd rather of course not steal software -- for obvious reasons -- just not much moola floating around right now |
| 23:37.19 | Patlabor221 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3611993664&category=1251 |
| 23:37.43 | Patlabor221 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3612381861&category=1251 |
| 23:40.09 | michaelh2 | so compiling and selling software with this license is not a good idea huh? :) |
| 23:40.29 | Patlabor221 | actualy I don't know |
| 23:40.33 | Patlabor221 | but I think it says something about this |
| 23:40.40 | Patlabor221 | here is .net standard for 45 |
| 23:40.40 | Patlabor221 | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3612854611&category=1251 |
| 23:40.43 | michaelh2 | well it would be stupid to do anyway |
| 23:41.09 | michaelh2 | that's c++ |
| 23:41.25 | Patlabor221 | what did you want? C#? VCB? |
| 23:41.43 | michaelh2 | I have to ask the people but I know asp.net for sure |
| 23:41.47 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 23:41.51 | prot-work | welp, compiles here |
| 23:42.00 | prot-work | time to go home |
| 23:44.43 | Patlabor221 | I should try .net 2k3 one of these days |
| 23:45.34 | michaelh2 | do you think some of these people might just be pirating? |
| 23:46.03 | Patlabor221 | they have to ship a box and license, or ebay will get them |
| 23:46.08 | Patlabor221 | so I don't think so |
| 23:50.38 | Patlabor221 | whooo, gonna take 6 CDs for .net 2k3 |
