| 00:02.19 | *** join/#bzflag learner (~learner@dhcp64-134-57-73.ssss.nyc.wayport.net) |
| 00:09.13 | TimRiker | and if not, then stop annoying us by manually greeting when you enter. ;-) |
| 00:10.49 | *** join/#bzflag patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-167-79-230.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 00:10.49 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 00:15.33 | patlabor221 | welll chestal didn't fix md5 so now windows builds are busted |
| 00:17.23 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: fix to make build on Win32 (VC) |
| 00:23.54 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: LWR (Lame Warning Removal) for VC6 |
| 00:24.55 | patlabor221 | ahhh it's soo nice that batch build works now |
| 00:25.56 | Nidhoggr | this is normally my last work day of the week, but I'm working through saturday.. 10 hour days. |
| 00:26.02 | Nidhoggr | I'm gunna be a wreck |
| 00:26.03 | patlabor221 | eww |
| 00:29.04 | Nidhoggr | at least I'm not snapping at customers. |
| 00:29.14 | Nidhoggr | that only happens when I'm super tired/stressed. |
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| 00:34.42 | patlabor221 | hmmm secretplace runs REALY chunky for me, but all other servers are ok. wonder if it's the map |
| 00:34.55 | Nidhoggr | get that from a few people. |
| 00:35.10 | Nidhoggr | if card is a little slow you REALLY notice it on that map. |
| 00:35.25 | patlabor221 | I have a GeForce FX! |
| 00:35.36 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 00:35.43 | patlabor221 | can you send me the map? |
| 00:35.45 | Nidhoggr | it shouldn't be slow at all then. |
| 00:36.15 | Nidhoggr | yeah.. I'll have to do it when I get home. email me (mandrake@dragon.org) and remind me, and I'll just reply to it. |
| 00:36.28 | patlabor221 | k |
| 00:39.04 | patlabor221 | hmm it's not on stats |
| 00:40.08 | patlabor221 | your using the non CTF one right? |
| 00:40.17 | patlabor221 | seems doug has a buch of them on his web |
| 00:40.24 | patlabor221 | all titled "spiralsdone" |
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| 00:48.55 | Nidhoggr | this is non-ctf |
| 00:50.14 | patlabor221 | i'm building a debug server noiw |
| 00:50.42 | Nidhoggr | spirals3.map |
| 00:50.50 | Nidhoggr | is the one that I am using. |
| 00:51.53 | patlabor221 | anything look wrong with this command line? |
| 00:51.54 | patlabor221 | -world map.map -ms 10 -j +t +r -r +s 16 -public "Patlabor's super test server (debug)" -publicaddr myhouse.bakadigital.com -d -d -d -d |
| 00:52.10 | Nidhoggr | looks okay. |
| 00:53.05 | patlabor221 | I use difrent configs in VC for difrent test setups |
| 00:53.14 | learner | Question about the server Reject codes: Will adding a new reject code require client changes, or is there a catch-all in the client code to still "reject" properly, even if the old client doesn't know exactly what kind of rejection? |
| 00:53.29 | patlabor221 | dono, look at the client code that handles them |
| 00:55.44 | learner | *sigh* was hoping for a quickie answer.. :) okay, will do. |
| 00:56.09 | patlabor221 | there are few quickie answers |
| 00:56.25 | patlabor221 | noone here truly groks the code |
| 00:57.45 | patlabor221 | ahah I did +T not -t |
| 00:58.50 | patlabor221 | yeah it's that map allrgiht |
| 01:00.18 | captain_proton | doodeedoo |
| 01:00.20 | learner | no surprises -- just hoping; trying to stay in the server code right now until I'm more comfortable with what it's doing |
| 01:00.36 | patlabor221 | well the server dosn't do much |
| 01:00.36 | learner | I'll dig |
| 01:00.41 | captain_proton | learner: i'd wait to do any protocol changes until we get g2 out in the next few days |
| 01:00.42 | patlabor221 | so you have to look at the client a lot |
| 01:00.47 | captain_proton | learner: after that, have at it :) |
| 01:00.58 | patlabor221 | hmmmm 214 objects should not be too bad |
| 01:01.01 | learner | oh, I am waiting, cap |
| 01:01.39 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 01:01.44 | learner | still good to know what the client is doing, even if I don't want to touch it just yet |
| 01:02.37 | captain_proton | i'll have to do it for scrawl i guess :) |
| 01:02.41 | patlabor221 | save it for scrawl :) |
| 01:02.43 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 01:05.29 | patlabor221 | it's those damned spirals outside the map |
| 01:05.33 | patlabor221 | they screw the vis thing |
| 01:05.38 | patlabor221 | he just needs to kill them |
| 01:06.21 | patlabor221 | I should have never put that feature in |
| 01:07.15 | Tupone | captain_proton: I have a made a few fixes on make dist. should I put in? |
| 01:07.32 | captain_proton | Tupone: if they don't break anything, yes |
| 01:07.54 | captain_proton | enum {blocksize = 64}; <-- eww |
| 01:08.38 | patlabor221 | well it won't work as the const |
| 01:08.39 | Tupone | I tryed a build and a play! Changed wildcard and I have to change the way data get installed |
| 01:08.44 | patlabor221 | that's what he told me to do |
| 01:08.53 | patlabor221 | #def it then |
| 01:09.15 | captain_proton | what error do you get with it as const? |
| 01:09.39 | patlabor221 | let me put it back |
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| 01:10.12 | patlabor221 | it was like this right? static const int blocksize = 64; |
| 01:10.14 | Tupone | captain_proton: Only problem could be back compatibility on automake/autoconf |
| 01:10.36 | patlabor221 | inc... code spam |
| 01:10.36 | patlabor221 | c:\documents and settings\jeffm\desktop\bzflag\include\md5.h(67) : error C2258: illegal pure syntax, must be '= 0' |
| 01:10.37 | patlabor221 | c:\documents and settings\jeffm\desktop\bzflag\include\md5.h(67) : error C2252: 'blocksize' : pure specifier can only be specified for functions |
| 01:10.37 | patlabor221 | c:\documents and settings\jeffm\desktop\bzflag\include\md5.h(70) : error C2065: 'blocksize' : undeclared identifier |
| 01:10.37 | patlabor221 | c:\documents and settings\jeffm\desktop\bzflag\include\md5.h(70) : error C2057: expected constant expression |
| 01:10.40 | patlabor221 | c:\documents and settings\jeffm\desktop\bzflag\include\md5.h(75) : error C2057: expected constant expression |
| 01:10.41 | patlabor221 | c:\documents and settings\jeffm\desktop\bzflag\include\md5.h(75) : warning C4200: nonstandard extension used : zero-sized array in struct/union |
| 01:10.44 | patlabor221 | c:\documents and settings\jeffm\desktop\bzflag\include\md5.h(76) : error C2229: class 'MD5' has an illegal zero-sized array |
| 01:10.48 | patlabor221 | c:\documents and settings\jeffm\desktop\bzflag\src\common\md5.cxx(159) : error C2057: expected constant expression |
| 01:10.51 | patlabor221 | c:\documents and settings\jeffm\desktop\bzflag\src\common\md5.cxx(159) : error C2466: cannot allocate an array of constant size 0 |
| 01:10.53 | patlabor221 | c:\documents and settings\jeffm\desktop\bzflag\src\common\md5.cxx(321) : error C2070: illegal sizeof operand |
| 01:11.33 | Tupone | captain_proton: just 'cause I dont try with it |
| 01:13.34 | patlabor221 | nidhoggr, it's the map, I remove the spirals out side the map and his name, and go from like 10 fps to 30 fps |
| 01:13.38 | patlabor221 | it's a CPU killer |
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| 01:13.53 | captain_proton | Tupone: i'll try it with am1.4/ac2.13 if you give me a patch |
| 01:14.06 | Tupone | Too late sorry! |
| 01:14.15 | Tupone | It's in |
| 01:14.41 | captain_proton | thats fine, i'll just make you roll it back if it fails ;-) |
| 01:14.41 | Tupone | The only fix that worry me is data install. |
| 01:14.52 | Tupone | night |
| 01:15.05 | patlabor221 | cap you want me to #defin blocksize? |
| 01:15.08 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone ([xrPhUSwBD@ppp-62-11-2-96.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 01:15.26 | captain_proton | patlabor221: #def is a lot cleaner than an enum |
| 01:15.40 | patlabor221 | as I thought, but chestal sugested the enum |
| 01:16.57 | patlabor221 | done |
| 01:17.37 | patlabor221 | anyone want to log into my test server and tell me how chunky this map is? |
| 01:18.04 | patlabor221 | myhouse.bakadigital.com |
| 01:20.03 | learner | The answer to my own question is "yes", there is a default Reject catch-all in the client. |
| 01:20.13 | learner | Returns a communication error. |
| 01:20.28 | learner | Happens to be how joining an invalid team was hacked on as well. |
| 01:23.43 | patlabor221 | rejoin it should be faster |
| 01:23.44 | doughecka | hahahaha |
| 01:23.54 | patlabor221 | I had 4 -ds |
| 01:23.55 | doughecka | its reallly funky |
| 01:24.02 | doughecka | oh, that might do it |
| 01:24.08 | patlabor221 | the terminal could not keep up, it was laged by printf |
| 01:24.08 | doughecka | let me get cvs |
| 01:24.15 | doughecka | huh, thats odd |
| 01:32.08 | patlabor221 | hmm the close wait seems to still be there |
| 01:33.12 | captain_proton | =( |
| 01:33.31 | patlabor221 | now, "BZDoug: 'yourmap?'" |
| 01:33.36 | patlabor221 | now that is funny |
| 01:33.53 | captain_proton | what?? |
| 01:34.02 | patlabor221 | that's what he asked when he loged in |
| 01:34.11 | doughecka | you said "come look at my funky map" |
| 01:34.26 | doughecka | and I said your map? as in, like, lol type thing |
| 01:35.02 | patlabor221 | no I said, anyone want to log into my test server and tell me how chunky this map is? |
| 01:35.07 | patlabor221 | my server, "this" map |
| 01:35.17 | doughecka | ah, ok |
| 01:35.28 | doughecka | engrish strikes again |
| 01:35.31 | patlabor221 | it's a lot better with out those spirals |
| 01:35.40 | patlabor221 | well no, on that one, you just didn't read |
| 01:35.44 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:36.25 | patlabor221 | so no engrish involved |
| 01:36.47 | patlabor221 | you can't just use words you hear in our convos and hope they make sense for the situation :) |
| 01:37.07 | doughecka | huumph |
| 01:37.16 | patlabor221 | can you make one that dosn't have those outer spirals for Nid? |
| 01:37.25 | patlabor221 | or can I just send him that one? |
| 01:37.25 | doughecka | I suppose |
| 01:37.32 | doughecka | yea, you can |
| 01:37.38 | patlabor221 | it is your map, I don't want to gank it |
| 01:37.53 | doughecka | I did have an updated one, but he never changed it |
| 01:38.15 | patlabor221 | well this can let him update it, does the new one have those spirals? |
| 01:38.24 | doughecka | yep |
| 01:38.53 | patlabor221 | if you take those out, and replace them with large single pillars, I don't think it will jack the frame rate as much, and not change the look that muich |
| 01:39.09 | patlabor221 | then he can update to that, he has to restart to update to cvs soon anyway |
| 01:39.13 | doughecka | yea, I just liked that thing in bzedit :) |
| 01:39.20 | doughecka | hmm, ok |
| 01:39.26 | patlabor221 | yeah it is neat to make spirals |
| 01:39.43 | patlabor221 | the ones in side are fine, they aren't as box dense |
| 01:39.47 | doughecka | I never did figure out how to make a circle |
| 01:39.53 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:40.01 | patlabor221 | it's a pain in the ass, and involves trig |
| 01:40.30 | doughecka | hehe |
| 01:41.30 | patlabor221 | the problem with the outer ones is each box in them gets tested, and you can never interactwith them |
| 01:41.37 | patlabor221 | slows the cpu down |
| 01:41.40 | doughecka | ah |
| 01:41.48 | patlabor221 | it's not a card thing |
| 01:41.59 | doughecka | ack, how about you send me your version :) |
| 01:42.17 | patlabor221 | its spiralsdone3.map on your website |
| 01:42.17 | doughecka | I will fix a few bugs and add pillers |
| 01:42.36 | doughecka | yea, but I dont want to delete all them spirals |
| 01:43.24 | doughecka | drats |
| 01:43.27 | patlabor221 | it did |
| 01:43.29 | captain_proton | pillers? |
| 01:43.34 | doughecka | pillars |
| 01:43.42 | patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/BZ/edit/maps/map.map |
| 01:43.45 | doughecka | pillours for the french :) |
| 01:43.46 | doughecka | thx |
| 01:43.57 | doughecka | [an internal server error occured] |
| 01:44.01 | patlabor221 | he had sets of spirals outside the walls |
| 01:44.11 | patlabor221 | made outa like 75 boxes |
| 01:44.21 | doughecka | looked cool, but lagged the heck out of folks |
| 01:44.38 | patlabor221 | this is where vis grouping would have kicked ass |
| 01:44.45 | captain_proton | actually it didn't look that cool :P |
| 01:45.05 | captain_proton | there are relatively few maps that really look cool |
| 01:45.08 | captain_proton | like ballpark |
| 01:45.11 | captain_proton | and the dormitorium :) |
| 01:45.15 | doughecka | yea, that was a cool map |
| 01:45.22 | doughecka | hah, did you ever finish that? |
| 01:45.26 | captain_proton | nope |
| 01:45.27 | patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/BZ/edit/maps/badmap.txt |
| 01:45.38 | doughecka | that worked |
| 01:45.48 | patlabor221 | most maps are just a but load of boxes and words |
| 01:46.18 | captain_proton | words should not be made from boxes |
| 01:46.27 | patlabor221 | not by a long shot |
| 01:46.39 | captain_proton | and anyone who does it automatically gets a munchkin award |
| 01:46.52 | patlabor221 | is cia busted again? |
| 01:46.52 | doughecka | huh, bzedit is freaking out |
| 01:46.58 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 01:47.02 | patlabor221 | :( |
| 01:47.09 | captain_proton | flooded off by the linux kernel :P |
| 01:47.18 | doughecka | hahaah |
| 01:47.30 | patlabor221 | too bad they can't give it special compensation |
| 01:47.38 | patlabor221 | discompensation or what ever |
| 01:47.42 | captain_proton | last time i checked they were working on it |
| 01:47.56 | doughecka | or just fix the bot |
| 01:47.58 | captain_proton | my god |
| 01:48.01 | patlabor221 | cus my last commit message was funny |
| 01:48.20 | captain_proton | spiff just used 14 smilies in a 3 line post on bzbb |
| 01:48.27 | patlabor221 | what? |
| 01:48.29 | patlabor221 | get a rope |
| 01:48.51 | captain_proton | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=591&start=30 <-- 2nd from bottom |
| 01:49.06 | captain_proton | ok so i guess its old |
| 01:49.12 | patlabor221 | yeah it is |
| 01:49.20 | captain_proton | but still inexcusable |
| 01:49.25 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:49.26 | doughecka | huh, exactly a month old.. wow |
| 01:49.53 | doughecka | almost to the day too :) |
| 01:49.56 | patlabor221 | damn dredgers |
| 01:50.18 | captain_proton | doughecka: do you have an autogreet when you log in to this channel? |
| 01:50.28 | doughecka | hrm |
| 01:50.31 | doughecka | I dont think so |
| 01:50.57 | doughecka | aha, a /msg #bzflag greetings |
| 01:51.19 | doughecka | mosberg? |
| 01:51.33 | patlabor221 | "This is my BOOOMSTICK!" |
| 01:51.47 | doughecka | ah, one of those |
| 01:51.47 | patlabor221 | I love that movie |
| 01:52.44 | patlabor221 | to bad all the games based on it SUCK |
| 01:52.52 | patlabor221 | tho the comercials were funny |
| 01:53.12 | doughecka | what was this movie again? |
| 01:53.20 | hardwire | kinda surprised there was never a boomstick virus |
| 01:53.20 | patlabor221 | *Sigh* |
| 01:53.25 | hardwire | Army of Darkness |
| 01:53.27 | patlabor221 | army of darkness |
| 01:53.31 | doughecka | never heard of it |
| 01:53.44 | doughecka | :P |
| 01:54.01 | hardwire | doughecka: do yourself a favor |
| 01:54.09 | doughecka | no money |
| 01:54.12 | hardwire | go rent evil dead, evil dead II, then army of darkness |
| 01:54.14 | hardwire | go get some popcorn |
| 01:54.16 | hardwire | hug a cat |
| 01:54.18 | hardwire | and enjoy |
| 01:54.27 | doughecka | do I have to hug a cat? |
| 01:54.28 | hardwire | well steal some money.. |
| 01:54.31 | patlabor221 | "good ash... bad ash... I'm the one with the gun" |
| 01:54.33 | hardwire | and ac at. |
| 01:54.39 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:54.51 | hardwire | get on that hamhead radio of yours and beg |
| 01:55.04 | doughecka | that reminds me... |
| 01:55.15 | patlabor221 | "who wants some?" |
| 01:58.04 | captain_proton | stars.cxx frightens me |
| 01:59.23 | doughecka | my god, its full of stars! |
| 02:01.02 | doughecka | where you at right now hardwire? |
| 02:01.11 | hardwire | my room |
| 02:01.27 | captain_proton | ~sud |
| 02:01.28 | | shut up doug |
| 02:01.35 | doughecka | last I heard you was in the artic circal or somethin |
| 02:02.21 | patlabor221 | oooo an airsoft that delivers 1 joule of energy to it's target :) |
| 02:02.31 | patlabor221 | that should sting :) |
| 02:02.31 | doughecka | ? |
| 02:02.40 | patlabor221 | hold sill and I"ll show ya |
| 02:03.18 | patlabor221 | what's the PSI on that over 6mm |
| 02:03.32 | bryjen | captain_proton: finally a practical use for ibot! |
| 02:04.07 | captain_proton | bryjen: its the most common use :P |
| 02:04.34 | doughecka | common you say? |
| 02:04.37 | bzgirl | poor doug |
| 02:04.38 | patlabor221 | ~sud |
| 02:04.39 | | shut up doug |
| 02:04.42 | captain_proton | bryjen: especially because he never learns |
| 02:04.49 | bryjen | and other points west |
| 02:05.18 | doughecka | scp is wonderfull stuff btw |
| 02:08.18 | patlabor221 | sdfvvvvvvvv670pl;.bn ;'' |
| 02:08.37 | patlabor221 | well seems my cat says Hi. |
| 02:09.03 | patlabor221 | it ran away |
| 02:10.24 | doughecka | drats |
| 02:11.39 | captain_proton | doughecka: you're just discovering secure protocols now? |
| 02:12.18 | doughecka | no, but I still get amazed at how cool it is |
| 02:13.02 | captain_proton | do you even understand the math behind public key cryptography? |
| 02:13.16 | doughecka | yes... |
| 02:13.41 | Noodleman | captain_proton: do you? |
| 02:13.55 | captain_proton | Noodleman: yes |
| 02:14.06 | bryjen | captain_proton: that's the nice thing about software. I don't have to be able to do the math to type ssh. |
| 02:14.14 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 02:15.36 | Noodleman | math is not my forte |
| 02:15.43 | Noodleman | i really wish it was |
| 02:16.29 | patlabor221 | all calculators do is the computions, not the real math |
| 02:16.49 | doughecka | my zaurus does :P |
| 02:16.54 | doughecka | python can do anything |
| 02:16.58 | bryjen | ;) |
| 02:17.03 | patlabor221 | very rarely does the "math" we do involve a numerical solution |
| 02:18.01 | bryjen | gotta use them $0.50 word sometimes |
| 02:18.16 | patlabor221 | yeah they expire after a year I think |
| 02:18.35 | patlabor221 | hmmm, work on scrawl or watch "catch me if you can" .... |
| 02:18.52 | bryjen | not till after DRM is in place. for now they just get stale. |
| 02:19.17 | doughecka | bryjen: thats groovy |
| 02:19.22 | patlabor221 | the iluminati has had DRM in place for a while, you just don't know it. |
| 02:22.07 | patlabor221 | noodleman what are you tring to do? |
| 02:22.36 | Noodleman | Patlabor221: what are you talking about? |
| 02:22.43 | patlabor221 | -ChanServ- Noodleman!~chatzilla@bc183148.bendcable.com ACCESS [#BZFlag] LIST |
| 02:22.54 | Noodleman | just poking around |
| 02:23.00 | Noodleman | hope i didn't bother you |
| 02:23.02 | doughecka | ? |
| 02:23.07 | patlabor221 | just curious :) |
| 02:23.10 | patlabor221 | I didn't know it showd that |
| 02:23.25 | captain_proton | patlabor221: it notifies the ops when heathens like Noodleman start poking around |
| 02:23.32 | Noodleman | haha |
| 02:23.33 | patlabor221 | that is a cool thing |
| 02:23.52 | patlabor221 | and he probably thought he was all stealthy |
| 02:24.13 | Noodleman | :-P |
| 02:24.46 | patlabor221 | ohhh what was the thing that derv said he coudl get for like 40k? anit-intrustion coutnermeasure hardware? |
| 02:24.48 | doughecka | invisible noodle they call him |
| 02:25.46 | bryjen | countermeasure? |
| 02:26.20 | patlabor221 | or something like that |
| 02:27.31 | bryjen | shya |
| 02:28.46 | bryjen | do i want to know, or is it just an empty 1U case with big threatening words printed on it? |
| 02:28.48 | patlabor221 | it was in one of his babble posts |
| 02:29.08 | patlabor221 | I don't know he was saying something about "geting one to track down cheater" |
| 02:30.09 | patlabor221 | heh and after all his "diging" (aka looking at the other 2 bakadigital domains). he still hasn't found the picture. |
| 02:31.02 | bryjen | I remember reading some things a while back where people were debating the legality of "active" defenses |
| 02:31.42 | patlabor221 | I think he just reads a bit too many fanfics |
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| 02:33.40 | bryjen | Some pointed out that in the physical word active defense is usually reserved for only when your life is in danger |
| 02:35.56 | patlabor221 | pffft tell that to the governments |
| 02:36.07 | Noodleman | when i try to compile bzflag out of cvs, i get these errors: |
| 02:36.21 | Noodleman | data/Makefile.am:3: invalid variable `dist_pkgdata_DATA' |
| 02:36.22 | Noodleman | data/l10n/Makefile.am:1: invalid variable `dist_pkgdata_DATA' |
| 02:37.13 | Noodleman | more specifically, when i run ./autogen.sh, i get the errors |
| 02:37.31 | Noodleman | and then there is no ./configure file |
| 02:38.27 | bryjen | heh. If 1/3 of the govmnt wasnt breaking the law, that other 1/3 wouldnt be able to spend tons of $ investigating it |
| 02:38.40 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 02:48.09 | patlabor221 | awwww there are no servers for bzflag 1.7b4 |
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| 02:48.35 | Noodleman | ? |
| 02:48.48 | Noodleman | why would you want there to be? |
| 02:48.49 | patlabor221 | I was searching the drive |
| 02:48.56 | patlabor221 | cus I have a binary for it :) |
| 02:49.02 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 02:49.09 | Noodleman | is it in cvs? |
| 02:49.21 | patlabor221 | I don't think so |
| 02:50.17 | patlabor221 | looks like they started at 1.7c2 |
| 02:50.33 | Noodleman | do you know why i'm having a problem running autogen.sh on bzflag from cvs? |
| 02:50.49 | Noodleman | i'm getting this: |
| 02:50.55 | Noodleman | tuckerm@procyon:~/bzflag$ ./autogen.sh |
| 02:50.56 | Noodleman | automake: configure.in: installing `./install-sh' |
| 02:50.58 | Noodleman | automake: configure.in: installing `./mkinstalldirs' |
| 02:50.59 | Noodleman | automake: configure.in: installing `./missing' |
| 02:51.01 | Noodleman | automake: configure.in: installing `./config.guess' |
| 02:51.02 | Noodleman | automake: configure.in: installing `./config.sub' |
| 02:51.04 | Noodleman | automake: Makefile.am: installing `./INSTALL' |
| 02:51.05 | Noodleman | data/Makefile.am:3: invalid variable `dist_pkgdata_DATA' |
| 02:51.07 | Noodleman | data/l10n/Makefile.am:1: invalid variable `dist_pkgdata_DATA' |
| 02:53.46 | patlabor221 | and why is autopmake better? |
| 02:54.11 | Noodleman | isn't that the command i'm supposed to use? |
| 02:55.10 | patlabor221 | I think so? |
| 02:55.20 | patlabor221 | I can't get it to work ether |
| 02:55.23 | patlabor221 | crashses the compiler |
| 02:56.36 | captain_proton | Noodleman: hang on |
| 02:56.40 | Noodleman | ok |
| 02:56.50 | captain_proton | grab ahold of your pants, big commit coming |
| 02:56.57 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 02:57.09 | iLLf8d | what did you comment the code? |
| 02:57.13 | iLLf8d | =P |
| 02:57.36 | patlabor221 | does that mean I have to find pants? |
| 02:57.45 | captain_proton | patlabor221: yeah |
| 02:57.48 | patlabor221 | damn |
| 02:57.49 | doughecka | or underwear |
| 02:58.06 | Noodleman | hang on to your shorts! |
| 02:58.11 | Noodleman | here it comes! |
| 02:58.14 | Noodleman | 0_0 |
| 02:58.43 | patlabor221 | LOL I found my first MFC app |
| 02:58.49 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 02:58.56 | captain_proton | Noodleman: ok, cvs up :) |
| 02:59.19 | Noodleman | m00f0rz |
| 02:59.34 | Noodleman | w00w00 |
| 03:00.47 | Noodleman | what do i do to build a debian package? |
| 03:00.58 | Noodleman | i know there's the stuff there |
| 03:01.05 | captain_proton | you'd have to ask riker |
| 03:03.49 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:04.38 | patlabor221 | why would I change it? |
| 03:04.44 | patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/enigma.jpg |
| 03:05.21 | patlabor221 | now that is from back in the day :) |
| 03:05.56 | doughecka | such detail |
| 03:06.05 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:06.06 | doughecka | now everybody say oooh and ahhh |
| 03:06.17 | patlabor221 | I didn't even make that model |
| 03:06.25 | doughecka | lol |
| 03:07.23 | patlabor221 | the editor was my final for a college project |
| 03:07.37 | doughecka | cool |
| 03:07.52 | patlabor221 | they told us "make some kind of app" |
| 03:08.02 | patlabor221 | everyone else made notepad and calculators |
| 03:08.15 | doughecka | haha |
| 03:08.39 | patlabor221 | or student record databases |
| 03:08.54 | patlabor221 | cap: asgard dosn't have g++ |
| 03:09.02 | patlabor221 | if that's what you need, you can install it tho |
| 03:09.53 | patlabor221 | k |
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| 04:41.38 | michaelh2 | anyone know about how to use a Windows 2000 oem vs. upgrade cd? |
| 04:41.46 | michaelh2 | I'm considering one or the other.... |
| 04:42.03 | michaelh2 | does it have to be a completely blank drive to use the oem cd? |
| 04:48.09 | captain_proton | no you can format |
| 04:49.26 | michaelh2 | hmmm.... so can it install in any old blank partition .. does it demand the other partitions be blank too? |
| 04:49.47 | captain_proton | shouldn't |
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| 05:12.45 | captain_proton | HIYA! |
| 05:12.59 | MrApathyCream | haqvin fun w/common? |
| 05:14.04 | captain_proton | oh yeah |
| 05:14.26 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: actually make it install |
| 05:17.47 | captain_proton | how goes life for you MrApathyCream? |
| 05:19.19 | MrApathyCream | otay |
| 05:19.23 | MrApathyCream | #ifndef HAVE_SOCKLEN_T |
| 05:19.23 | MrApathyCream | #define socklen_t int |
| 05:19.23 | MrApathyCream | #endif |
| 05:19.45 | MrApathyCream | i take it winguys are supposed to define HAVE_SOCKLEN_T ? |
| 05:19.56 | captain_proton | ya need to create a config.h for windows that -doesn't- define HAVE_SOCKLEN_T |
| 05:20.21 | MrApathyCream | in common? |
| 05:20.26 | MrApathyCream | and not checked in i take it? |
| 05:20.46 | captain_proton | perhaps create a new directory |
| 05:20.48 | captain_proton | include/win32 |
| 05:20.52 | captain_proton | that has config.h in it |
| 05:20.58 | captain_proton | but is only included in the MSVC projects |
| 05:21.33 | MrApathyCream | maybe just put it in the dsp? |
| 05:21.45 | captain_proton | i think riker wants a full config.h |
| 05:22.02 | MrApathyCream | sill y |
| 05:22.06 | captain_proton | because eventually we'll be moving more towards using the config.h variables |
| 05:22.21 | captain_proton | at which point any platforms that don't have them will need them (ie win32 dsp) |
| 05:23.48 | captain_proton | leading to where we can build based on the "capabilities" of a system rather than the name |
| 05:24.05 | captain_proton | for instance, if some stupid OS chose to use winsock instead of BSD sockets |
| 05:24.09 | captain_proton | it could detect that :) |
| 05:24.21 | MrApathyCream | man, win build is super foobared |
| 05:24.35 | captain_proton | oh? |
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| 05:26.14 | Tupone | captain_proton: |
| 05:26.15 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: just cause common.h is great, doesn't mean we should include it twice |
| 05:27.05 | Tupone | captain_proton: I made a bad fix on l10n directory. |
| 05:27.19 | captain_proton | Tupone: i fixed the data installs |
| 05:27.35 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: did i really do that? :) |
| 05:28.04 | captain_proton | where by fixed i mean "rolled back your changes" |
| 05:28.38 | Tupone | captain_proton: How? I used nobase_dist_pkgdata_DATA including l10n data in the "data" directory Makefile |
| 05:29.06 | captain_proton | well dist_pkgdata_DATA doesn't work at all in am1.4 |
| 05:29.18 | captain_proton | i basically changed it back to EXTRA_DIST with the custom install hooks |
| 05:29.30 | Tupone | So I fixed for my! |
| 05:29.40 | Tupone | So all it's ok now ? |
| 05:30.29 | captain_proton | works for me on all the platforms i have access to |
| 05:30.37 | captain_proton | dunno about cygwin/mingw32 but i'd assume they |
| 05:30.39 | captain_proton | re fine |
| 05:31.04 | Tupone | captain_proton: One think I noted about cleaning. You removed the data directory with -rf |
| 05:31.35 | captain_proton | isn't that "standard" procedure? |
| 05:31.44 | Tupone | captain_proton: Perhaps just a little warning when deleting l10n? |
| 05:32.24 | Tupone | captain_proton: Just 'cause sometimes ago I will see some warning during install-clean. Don't know if it's due to that |
| 05:32.58 | captain_proton | i don't think anything else warns before it does an rm -rf |
| 05:33.15 | Tupone | captain_proton: Rephrased: when you go to l10n to install-clean that ... whats happening? |
| 05:33.41 | Tupone | captain_proton: I didn't try recently... |
| 05:34.28 | Tupone | captain_proton: So ... OK! I've to prepare for work. Bye |
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| 05:36.49 | MrApathyCream | it appears address.h is skipped when building address.cxx now |
| 05:36.53 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 05:37.04 | MrApathyCream | muy errors |
| 05:37.24 | captain_proton | odd |
| 05:38.00 | MrApathyCream | ah, oops bad ifndef __WIN32 |
| 05:38.33 | captain_proton | blar |
| 05:39.39 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: win32 is a great platform, but you still need to include header files to get it to work |
| 05:39.50 | patlabor221 | what file? |
| 05:39.57 | MrApathyCream | Address.cxx |
| 05:40.04 | MrApathyCream | not including Address.h |
| 05:40.24 | patlabor221 | who busted that? it was fine like 3 hrs ago |
| 05:40.48 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: heh |
| 05:40.52 | captain_proton | bustination! |
| 05:40.57 | MrApathyCream | WINGDIAPI ? |
| 05:41.04 | MrApathyCream | #define WINGDIAPI |
| 05:41.05 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 05:41.07 | captain_proton | patlabor221: hope you don't mind, i had to kill your X server on asgard :) |
| 05:41.13 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 05:41.14 | captain_proton | eww win GDI |
| 05:41.24 | patlabor221 | where? |
| 05:41.33 | captain_proton | dirty dirty dirty ew ew |
| 05:41.41 | MrApathyCream | C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDK\include\GL/gl.h(1152) : error C2144: syntax error : missing ';' before type 'void' |
| 05:41.47 | MrApathyCream | from OpenGLTexture.cxx |
| 05:42.23 | patlabor221 | you need to include windows.h before you include GL, cus the GL file has the wigl funcks |
| 05:42.38 | patlabor221 | whos' been busting all this |
| 05:42.42 | patlabor221 | I had it working fine |
| 05:43.55 | patlabor221 | menus too |
| 05:43.59 | patlabor221 | man what you been doin? |
| 05:44.29 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: win32 needs windows.h before gl |
| 05:44.54 | MrApathyCream | sigh PATH_MAX |
| 05:44.57 | patlabor221 | there is no PATH_MAX on windows |
| 05:45.01 | patlabor221 | it's MAX_PATH |
| 05:45.01 | MrApathyCream | 256? |
| 05:45.04 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 05:45.05 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 05:45.05 | patlabor221 | 512 |
| 05:45.21 | patlabor221 | actualy _MAX_PATH |
| 05:46.24 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: bad cap, obey the FIST! |
| 05:46.58 | captain_proton | yay |
| 05:47.01 | captain_proton | rpm build on asgard works |
| 05:47.11 | captain_proton | so now we can provide rpms for both gcc2 & gcc3 ABIs |
| 05:47.14 | patlabor221 | is it runnin RH8 or 9? |
| 05:47.23 | captain_proton | 8 |
| 05:47.47 | patlabor221 | let me try 9 and see if it still crashes the compiler |
| 05:48.15 | ak|ra | 07:46 < CIA> commit by jeffm2501: bad cap, obey the FIST! muhar |
| 05:48.29 | captain_proton | moin ak|ra |
| 05:48.40 | ak|ra | moin capn and rest |
| 05:49.08 | patlabor221 | ahhh look at the clean windows build, no more warnings :) |
| 05:49.47 | patlabor221 | and I love that batch build now works :) |
| 05:49.51 | ak|ra | even with icl? |
| 05:50.02 | patlabor221 | icl? |
| 05:50.03 | MrApathyCream | batch build always worked... ??? |
| 05:50.06 | patlabor221 | the intell compiler |
| 05:50.23 | patlabor221 | no, not on all, cus of like bzfrelay, it never built |
| 05:50.34 | patlabor221 | I don't have any intell processors |
| 05:50.38 | MrApathyCream | patlabor221: oh, i just removed that |
| 05:50.52 | MrApathyCream | patlabor221: how'd you get around HAVE_SOCKETLEN_T or what ever it is |
| 05:50.52 | patlabor221 | so I did I, but I checked it in :) |
| 05:50.55 | ak|ra | intel on linux compiled but give strange results :) |
| 05:51.05 | patlabor221 | what MAC? where is that? |
| 05:51.12 | MrApathyCream | i moded the dsp files |
| 05:51.18 | MrApathyCream | um, checking |
| 05:51.48 | captain_proton | no dsp mod! config.h! FIST! |
| 05:51.55 | MrApathyCream | E:\bz\bz_cvs\bzflag\include\common.h(69):#ifndef HAVE_SOCKLEN_T |
| 05:52.07 | MrApathyCream | i needed to define HAVE_SOCKLEN_T |
| 05:52.16 | captain_proton | err |
| 05:52.16 | captain_proton | no |
| 05:52.22 | patlabor221 | cap did you add that to the dsp? |
| 05:52.22 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you don't want to define that |
| 05:52.24 | MrApathyCream | err.'ues |
| 05:52.27 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:52.27 | captain_proton | because windows lacks a socken_t |
| 05:52.33 | MrApathyCream | no it doesn't |
| 05:52.43 | captain_proton | yes it does! i demand it! |
| 05:52.46 | captain_proton | thats a BSDism |
| 05:52.46 | patlabor221 | standard VC dosn't have it |
| 05:52.51 | MrApathyCream | i got it |
| 05:52.52 | captain_proton | not a winsockism |
| 05:52.53 | patlabor221 | I have not moded anything |
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| 05:53.00 | patlabor221 | mac you have cygwin installed? |
| 05:53.04 | patlabor221 | and part of your root path? |
| 05:54.04 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 05:54.11 | patlabor221 | odd |
| 05:54.59 | patlabor221 | it's not in MSDN |
| 05:55.40 | MrApathyCream | C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDK\include\ws2tcpip.h(647) : error C2632: 'int' followed by 'int' is illegal |
| 05:55.40 | MrApathyCream | C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDK\include\ws2tcpip.h(647) : warning C4091: 'typedef ' : ignored on left of 'int' when no variable is declared |
| 05:55.52 | patlabor221 | what SDK do you have installed? |
| 05:55.57 | patlabor221 | that's not standard |
| 05:56.08 | MrApathyCream | typedef int socklen_t; |
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| 05:56.18 | MrApathyCream | no farkin idea |
| 05:56.42 | patlabor221 | ws2tcpip.h what is that? |
| 05:56.46 | patlabor221 | I don't even have that folder |
| 05:56.48 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: is it #defined elsewhere? |
| 05:57.13 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: you define it. so double define does int int socklen_t |
| 05:57.16 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:57.22 | captain_proton | bleah |
| 05:57.26 | patlabor221 | but it seems to be part of a funky sdk |
| 05:57.33 | patlabor221 | cap, it still crashes on rh9 |
| 05:57.39 | captain_proton | MAC has the -loser- SDK |
| 05:57.44 | captain_proton | patlabor221: what error? |
| 05:57.47 | rioter | anyone know what the windows version of bzflag is written for opengl or directx? |
| 05:57.47 | patlabor221 | I have that file |
| 05:57.53 | patlabor221 | open GL |
| 05:57.56 | rioter | damn it |
| 05:57.57 | patlabor221 | but it used DX for 3 things |
| 05:57.58 | sussudio | rioter: funny |
| 05:57.58 | MrApathyCream | SDK August 2002 |
| 05:57.59 | patlabor221 | why? |
| 05:58.10 | rioter | thinking of porting it to the xbox |
| 05:58.23 | patlabor221 | there is GL on linux |
| 05:58.27 | rioter | as a native ap |
| 05:58.29 | patlabor221 | and linux on the box |
| 05:58.30 | rioter | not under linux |
| 05:58.30 | patlabor221 | ahh |
| 05:58.37 | patlabor221 | that will be "fun" |
| 05:58.47 | rioter | yes if you have a very twisted idea of fun ;) |
| 05:58.48 | patlabor221 | I have ws2tcpip.h but it has no socketlen |
| 05:58.51 | patlabor221 | loosk like they added |
| 05:58.59 | captain_proton | i wonder if rioter is an RCAM employee :) |
| 05:59.06 | patlabor221 | you have the xbox sdks? |
| 05:59.21 | rioter | patlabor221 will have in about 2 hours |
| 05:59.38 | rioter | captain_proton RCAM? |
| 05:59.50 | captain_proton | rioter: supposedly RCAM is in charge of the xbox version |
| 05:59.58 | MrApathyCream | yes he's making good progress |
| 06:00.07 | rioter | oh there is already a port in progress? |
| 06:00.11 | captain_proton | ok you windows kiddies |
| 06:00.11 | MrApathyCream | and has enhanced the cross hairs |
| 06:00.14 | captain_proton | here's what ya do |
| 06:00.26 | captain_proton | figure out a version specific define between these winsock headers |
| 06:00.35 | captain_proton | create a config.h that defines HAVE_SOCKLEN_T if its the newer one |
| 06:00.38 | captain_proton | stick it in include/win32 |
| 06:00.40 | captain_proton | and be done with it |
| 06:00.53 | patlabor221 | I'd need to see MACs file |
| 06:02.01 | patlabor221 | rioter, no there is not, 1)It would be a hack job, and kinda against the MS liscene agreement to do it as a non ofical project with out a licenesed SDK. and 2) it woudl be a HUGE PAIN IN THE ASS |
| 06:03.13 | captain_proton | actually licensing shouldn't be an issue |
| 06:03.17 | captain_proton | because we're LGPL now |
| 06:03.34 | patlabor221 | no, not the BZ license, the X-box |
| 06:03.39 | rioter | patlabor221 if you just realese the source not the xbe's there shouldnt be a problem :) |
| 06:03.52 | rioter | i mean xbmp does it |
| 06:04.11 | patlabor221 | yeah and they just haven't been suied yet :) |
| 06:04.14 | rioter | not sure what licence they are under though |
| 06:04.24 | rioter | plus there is the openxdk |
| 06:04.28 | patlabor221 | cap I say make MAC #define it, he's the one that installed the new SDK |
| 06:04.36 | rioter | although its like pre pre pre alpha |
| 06:04.42 | MrApathyCream | :| |
| 06:04.57 | patlabor221 | see what happens when you go the exra mile, |
| 06:05.10 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:05.16 | rioter | patlabor221 the "underground" xbox scene has been around for a while and i havent heard of anyone being sued for realesing source |
| 06:05.16 | captain_proton | bleh |
| 06:05.27 | rioter | i mean the linux-xbox people are still around |
| 06:05.30 | patlabor221 | yes rioter I know all about it |
| 06:05.41 | patlabor221 | yes but they don't use an ms headers or the MS rom |
| 06:05.59 | patlabor221 | or you could move the new sdk inc dirs after the standards MAC |
| 06:06.17 | captain_proton | patlabor221: and use -old- APIs? NEVER! |
| 06:06.19 | rioter | yeah the headers could be a cause for concern |
| 06:06.19 | patlabor221 | but realy the GL is spread all over, it would be a pain |
| 06:06.24 | patlabor221 | shuddap cap |
| 06:06.36 | patlabor221 | they headers are copyright, that means the funcs are as well |
| 06:06.37 | captain_proton | its not even that its spread all over thats the issue |
| 06:06.48 | captain_proton | its the fact that direct3d is a steaming pile of crap thats the issue |
| 06:06.53 | rioter | lol |
| 06:06.54 | patlabor221 | yes that too |
| 06:07.09 | patlabor221 | to the xbox uses a variant of DX |
| 06:07.33 | rioter | its pretty much DX with some bits taken out and others put in |
| 06:07.34 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: make patlabor221 upgrade to new sdk |
| 06:07.38 | patlabor221 | there isn't a 1:1 maping of go to DX calls |
| 06:07.46 | captain_proton | erg |
| 06:07.49 | captain_proton | ok here's the dealydoo |
| 06:07.56 | captain_proton | both of you clowns dcc me your winsock headers |
| 06:08.00 | captain_proton | and i'll make you a config.h :P |
| 06:08.12 | patlabor221 | cap you have mine on your VMware |
| 06:08.27 | captain_proton | just send them |
| 06:08.36 | captain_proton | and make sure that one of you renames it so it doesn't try to "resume" |
| 06:08.45 | patlabor221 | yeah Im looking for it |
| 06:09.07 | rioter | MrApathyCream i wouldnt be supprised if using directX is illegal as well :) as i know you cant make open source software with vc++ |
| 06:09.21 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 06:09.26 | captain_proton | can't make open source software with vc++? |
| 06:09.40 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream / patlabor221: guess you guys need to switch to mingw ;) |
| 06:09.48 | patlabor221 | fuck that |
| 06:09.52 | rioter | yeah its in there licence agreement ;) |
| 06:09.55 | MrApathyCream | problem solved ! |
| 06:09.58 | patlabor221 | I think MAC is full of crap |
| 06:10.19 | captain_proton | arg |
| 06:10.27 | MrApathyCream | patlabor221: possibly but i still don't build |
| 06:10.29 | patlabor221 | cap, asgard web, TheONeTUREWS2TCPIP.H |
| 06:10.32 | captain_proton | patlabor221: email it to me :P |
| 06:10.52 | captain_proton | the one ture ws2tcpip.h :) |
| 06:10.56 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 06:11.08 | patlabor221 | my cat helped type it |
| 06:11.10 | MrApathyCream | tootbs |
| 06:11.12 | sussudio | ~pig rioter |
| 06:11.13 | | rioter is 79% pig! |
| 06:12.25 | patlabor221 | trace trace trace all day long, trace trace trace I sing this song. |
| 06:13.02 | captain_proton | hrmph |
| 06:13.08 | captain_proton | so mac's has this: |
| 06:13.24 | captain_proton | #if _MSC_VER > 1000 |
| 06:13.24 | captain_proton | #pragma once |
| 06:13.24 | captain_proton | #endif |
| 06:13.28 | MrApathyCream | yah |
| 06:13.33 | captain_proton | what versions are you guys on? |
| 06:13.41 | patlabor221 | VC6 |
| 06:13.41 | MrApathyCream | 1000 is really old |
| 06:13.46 | patlabor221 | sp5 |
| 06:13.53 | MrApathyCream | likewise |
| 06:13.58 | sussudio | sp5? |
| 06:14.01 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 06:14.09 | sussudio | mine doesnt even give a version |
| 06:14.09 | patlabor221 | service pack 5 |
| 06:14.42 | captain_proton | patlabor221: yours looks quite old compared to MACs |
| 06:14.47 | MrApathyCream | of course! |
| 06:14.47 | patlabor221 | it is |
| 06:14.51 | patlabor221 | he got the latest |
| 06:14.52 | sussudio | just says visual c++ 6.0 |
| 06:14.55 | patlabor221 | I have what shiped |
| 06:15.05 | patlabor221 | I don't have any platform SDKs |
| 06:15.12 | captain_proton | ooh i know why |
| 06:15.14 | patlabor221 | that means .net also has it |
| 06:15.17 | captain_proton | MAC's has ipv6 support |
| 06:15.21 | MrApathyCream | start a-downloadin' me friend |
| 06:15.25 | patlabor221 | can't you just see if it's freakin defines |
| 06:15.36 | MrApathyCream | no it's a typedef |
| 06:15.47 | patlabor221 | you can't see if a type is defined? |
| 06:16.03 | MrApathyCream | how sizeof(x)? |
| 06:16.19 | sussudio | 06/17/1998 00:00 77,882 NMAKE.EXE |
| 06:16.21 | sussudio | old, eh? |
| 06:16.26 | captain_proton | MACs has all sorts of extra goodness |
| 06:16.28 | patlabor221 | I thought I've seen #ifdefine used on fucns too |
| 06:16.30 | MrApathyCream | #if sizeof( SOCKLEN_T ) == 0 |
| 06:16.32 | captain_proton | like unicode support |
| 06:16.40 | patlabor221 | try it |
| 06:16.40 | captain_proton | though i'm not sure why a tcp/ip header would have unicode |
| 06:16.46 | MrApathyCream | preach it captain_proton, preach it |
| 06:17.05 | patlabor221 | just know you will now make it harder for people to build on windows |
| 06:17.19 | patlabor221 | or I could make a seperate config for "old VC6" |
| 06:17.21 | MrApathyCream | use that spiffy t1 of yours |
| 06:17.26 | patlabor221 | that they build instead |
| 06:17.36 | patlabor221 | I have the files here, I am just conserned about others |
| 06:17.41 | patlabor221 | that have like MODEMS |
| 06:17.49 | MrApathyCream | there aren't any developers... not a worry |
| 06:17.54 | captain_proton | haha |
| 06:17.58 | captain_proton | i try a search on MSDN |
| 06:18.03 | captain_proton | Microsoft JScript runtime error '800a0007' |
| 06:18.03 | captain_proton | Out of memory |
| 06:19.08 | rioter | thats why you get it locally :) |
| 06:19.39 | MrApathyCream | i'm humped up at 37.2Kbps, personally |
| 06:19.44 | patlabor221 | the web msdn is difrent |
| 06:20.01 | rioter | not really as long as you get the latest msdn not much difference |
| 06:20.06 | patlabor221 | where is config.h? |
| 06:20.08 | sussudio | i have 800kbps |
| 06:20.11 | MrApathyCream | it doesn't exist |
| 06:20.17 | patlabor221 | rioter, it has more then just the refrence |
| 06:20.19 | MrApathyCream | it's a figment of your imagination |
| 06:20.28 | patlabor221 | you people are fuckers |
| 06:20.37 | rioter | patlabor221 as does the one on cd... |
| 06:20.41 | MrApathyCream | it's to support the platforms of non-choice |
| 06:20.41 | captain_proton | it doesn't exist on windows quite yet |
| 06:20.57 | patlabor221 | then why are you including it for windows? |
| 06:21.00 | captain_proton | we need to create a config.h for windows because visual studio can't auto-generate it |
| 06:21.05 | captain_proton | we're not right now |
| 06:21.17 | patlabor221 | ahh ndef |
| 06:22.35 | MrApathyCream | patlabor221: imagine, we may actually make config.h a pch!!! |
| 06:22.43 | MrApathyCream | nah, way to advanced. |
| 06:22.55 | patlabor221 | I hate pchs |
| 06:23.54 | patlabor221 | naw I just hate having to add it to every class I add |
| 06:24.10 | patlabor221 | this compiles for me |
| 06:24.11 | patlabor221 | #ifdef _WIN32 |
| 06:24.11 | patlabor221 | #if !defined socklen_t |
| 06:24.11 | patlabor221 | typedef int socklen_t; |
| 06:24.11 | patlabor221 | #endif |
| 06:24.11 | patlabor221 | #endif |
| 06:24.15 | patlabor221 | will that not work? |
| 06:24.23 | MrApathyCream | coo |
| 06:24.32 | captain_proton | patlabor221: its a typedef in MAC's header |
| 06:24.34 | captain_proton | not a #def |
| 06:24.52 | patlabor221 | yeah what I am syaing is that in VC it treats them the same |
| 06:24.59 | patlabor221 | we #undefine funcs in our software |
| 06:25.10 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: hmm - what happens if you typedef it twice? |
| 06:25.11 | MrApathyCream | nice one |
| 06:25.12 | patlabor221 | just try it |
| 06:25.22 | MrApathyCream | you get int int socklen_t; |
| 06:25.26 | patlabor221 | yeah it's ugly as hell, but it's cus we have the mac API |
| 06:25.39 | MrApathyCream | that's --> intosh |
| 06:25.41 | sussudio | GOSUB 10 |
| 06:25.45 | patlabor221 | yeh |
| 06:26.02 | MrApathyCream | me tries it |
| 06:26.04 | patlabor221 | good ol' MCP_W32 |
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| 06:27.10 | patlabor221 | now back to the secondary dev platform |
| 06:27.17 | patlabor221 | lets see |
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| 06:27.54 | MrApathyCream | it woiks |
| 06:28.07 | MrApathyCream | #ifdef _WIN32 |
| 06:28.07 | MrApathyCream | #ifndef socklen_t |
| 06:28.07 | MrApathyCream | typedef int socklen_t; |
| 06:28.07 | MrApathyCream | #endif |
| 06:28.08 | MrApathyCream | #else |
| 06:28.10 | MrApathyCream | #ifndef HAVE_SOCKLEN_T |
| 06:28.12 | MrApathyCream | #define socklen_t int |
| 06:28.14 | MrApathyCream | #endif |
| 06:28.14 | Patalbor2211 | yeah that's what I did |
| 06:28.16 | MrApathyCream | #endif |
| 06:28.23 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: can you try changing the #define in common.h to a typedef? |
| 06:28.37 | MrApathyCream | thats what i did and it worked, see above |
| 06:28.52 | captain_proton | i guess thats ok |
| 06:28.54 | captain_proton | kinda messy |
| 06:28.57 | captain_proton | how about this: |
| 06:29.26 | ak|ra | does someone here have scyld-netdrivers for 2.2.19 ? |
| 06:29.36 | captain_proton | #ifndef HAVE_SOCKLEN_T |
| 06:29.36 | captain_proton | #ifndef socklen_t |
| 06:29.36 | captain_proton | typedef int socklen_t |
| 06:29.36 | captain_proton | #endif |
| 06:30.01 | Patalbor2211 | is the have thing just for windows? |
| 06:30.04 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: latest ms sdk has socklen_t, old ones don't so check for it |
| 06:30.46 | MrApathyCream | ah purdy build |
| 06:30.46 | captain_proton | another option would be to create a config.h(!) with this: |
| 06:30.52 | captain_proton | #if defined (socklen_t) |
| 06:30.57 | captain_proton | #define HAVE_SOCKLEN_T |
| 06:30.57 | MrApathyCream | bah, config, conshmig |
| 06:30.58 | captain_proton | #endif |
| 06:31.15 | MrApathyCream | that makes it harder for the newbie |
| 06:31.18 | patlabor221 | #if defined _WIN32 && !defined socklen_t |
| 06:31.18 | patlabor221 | typedef int socklen_t; |
| 06:31.18 | patlabor221 | #endif |
| 06:31.23 | patlabor221 | how bout that? |
| 06:32.28 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i think its better to work off of "capabilities" rather than system-specific defines |
| 06:33.02 | patlabor221 | so I asume GCC won't like a typedef in a #if !defined thing? |
| 06:33.21 | captain_proton | patlabor221: i don't think gcc will treat a typedef as a #define |
| 06:33.25 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: you should checkin all the config.h files then, so newbies realize this |
| 06:33.29 | captain_proton | since preprocessing is actually separate from compilation |
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| 06:33.38 | bomber | moin |
| 06:33.39 | patlabor221 | you could test it |
| 06:33.41 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: on everything but windows config.h is generated automatically right now |
| 06:33.55 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 06:34.11 | patlabor221 | so inclued a default config.h in the win32 folderi |
| 06:34.20 | patlabor221 | it's the same place as the dsp, so it i'll pick it up |
| 06:34.21 | MrApathyCream | create a project that makes a config.h then |
| 06:34.37 | patlabor221 | all the other builds don't use the win32 folder |
| 06:34.48 | patlabor221 | no need for a project even |
| 06:34.57 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: or we could create include/win32 and only add that into the include path for the dsp builds |
| 06:35.13 | patlabor221 | or just put it in /win32/include |
| 06:35.22 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 06:35.28 | patlabor221 | since it's only needed by the dsp |
| 06:35.30 | MrApathyCream | or maybe just use the dsps |
| 06:35.31 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:35.44 | MrApathyCream | dsp = config.h |
| 06:35.46 | patlabor221 | and that's all that's in the Win32 folder |
| 06:36.03 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: thats not as easily tweakable\ |
| 06:36.13 | MrApathyCream | just a text fiel |
| 06:36.13 | MrApathyCream | file |
| 06:36.31 | patlabor221 | I don't mind a config file, but we should just give it to them, and set the project up for them to use it automaticly |
| 06:36.36 | MrApathyCream | and them dialog boxes are purdy complycated |
| 06:36.54 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 06:36.57 | patlabor221 | those #def lists get pretly long in the boxes |
| 06:37.09 | patlabor221 | gimme a sample config.h |
| 06:37.12 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:37.20 | patlabor221 | i'll make it work |
| 06:37.43 | Patalbor2211 | cap you want the RH9 error? |
| 06:37.59 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.net:3000/config.h |
| 06:38.05 | captain_proton | Patalbor2211: sure |
| 06:39.26 | MrApathyCream | use soap |
| 06:39.42 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: thanks for the advice :P |
| 06:39.58 | MrApathyCream | its a lil gammy in this chat room |
| 06:40.29 | MrApathyCream | gamey |
| 06:40.39 | MrApathyCream | ~spell gamey |
| 06:40.41 | | possible spellings for gamey: game gamy Camey Jamey gamer gamely Hamey gamier Gama Jame came gamed games Gabey Garey |
| 06:43.20 | Patalbor2211 | inc: a load of crap |
| 06:43.33 | Patalbor2211 | In file included from /usr/include/c++/3.2.2/memory:55, |
| 06:43.33 | Patalbor2211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.33 | Patalbor2211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.33 | Patalbor2211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.33 | Patalbor2211 | /usr/include/c++/3.2.2/bits/stl_alloc.h: In member function `_Tp* |
| 06:43.34 | Patalbor2211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.36 | Patalbor2211 | /usr/include/c++/3.2.2/bits/stl_alloc.h:685: Internal compiler error in |
| 06:43.40 | Patalbor2211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.42 | Patalbor2211 | Please submit a full bug report, |
| 06:43.44 | Patalbor2211 | with preprocessed source if appropriate. |
| 06:44.00 | MrApathyCream | gotta lub it |
| 06:54.14 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: a config just for Visusal C++ ( who says it can't play well with others) |
| 06:55.07 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: updates to remove version and robot codes from projects and get everyone usng cofig.h |
| 06:55.29 | sussudio | cofig? |
| 06:55.37 | Patalbor2211 | whatever |
| 06:56.36 | Patalbor2211 | I should break linux just on princilple :) |
| 06:57.57 | captain_proton | hah |
| 06:58.00 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: made socketlen thing work like command line compiler thingy on the windows VC thingy, and not ugly. |
| 06:58.27 | patlabor221 | there now everyone uses config.h |
| 06:58.48 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 06:58.59 | captain_proton | oh, here's an idear |
| 06:59.09 | captain_proton | we commit ourselves to a release every 6 weeks at most |
| 06:59.16 | captain_proton | and set the timebomb for now+2months |
| 06:59.19 | captain_proton | =} |
| 06:59.20 | patlabor221 | I found 1.7b4 on my drive |
| 06:59.33 | sussudio | isnt that what gerbil uses? |
| 06:59.38 | patlabor221 | I dono |
| 06:59.42 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:59.47 | patlabor221 | it's pre opensource |
| 06:59.51 | captain_proton | patlabor221: can you try this in the win32 config.h: |
| 07:00.09 | patlabor221 | and it's not compatble with todays protocoll |
| 07:00.20 | patlabor221 | I can try what ever you wish |
| 07:00.21 | captain_proton | #if defined socklen_t |
| 07:00.21 | captain_proton | #define HAVE_SOCKLEN_T |
| 07:00.21 | captain_proton | #endif |
| 07:00.31 | patlabor221 | if you want, |
| 07:00.36 | captain_proton | you don't need the _WIN32 check because that config.h will never be used for non-win32 |
| 07:00.39 | patlabor221 | but wasn't that just for windows? |
| 07:00.49 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 07:00.52 | captain_proton | in the windows config.h |
| 07:01.04 | patlabor221 | I took out the have thing in common.h |
| 07:01.11 | captain_proton | um |
| 07:01.18 | captain_proton | the one in common.h isn't just for windows |
| 07:01.26 | Patalbor2211 | oh |
| 07:01.28 | Patalbor2211 | ok |
| 07:01.29 | captain_proton | it applies to IRIX and some other unix platforms too |
| 07:01.32 | Patalbor2211 | k |
| 07:04.05 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: yay I borked another OS for once, see how it feels? huh? do ya? |
| 07:04.21 | patlabor221 | there ya go |
| 07:04.23 | rioter | lol |
| 07:04.50 | patlabor221 | I don't like the #defs in the project ether, I like this better |
| 07:05.08 | patlabor221 | then it can be docked the same for every plat |
| 07:05.09 | sussudio | here, Secret_Hamster, sit up and you get some of these: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/cam.jpg |
| 07:05.32 | patlabor221 | rodent fettish? |
| 07:05.51 | captain_proton | shouldn't that be if defined instead of if !defined in win32/config.h ? |
| 07:05.55 | sussudio | that's it, patlabor221, no waffles for you. |
| 07:06.39 | patlabor221 | yeah your right, tho I also got it backwards in common :) |
| 07:06.50 | captain_proton | no common is right |
| 07:06.55 | Secret_Hamster | oooh crispy sticks!!! |
| 07:07.01 | sussudio | not sticks, waffles |
| 07:07.21 | Secret_Hamster | ummmmmm, waffles |
| 07:07.31 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: bork bork bork, all day long, bork bork bork I sing this song |
| 07:07.35 | Secret_Hamster | Do I get syrup too? |
| 07:07.39 | patlabor221 | this'll boost us up the charts |
| 07:07.44 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 07:07.48 | captain_proton | thats one way to do it |
| 07:07.52 | sussudio | umm giving syrup to a hamster would be a bad thing |
| 07:07.53 | patlabor221 | want me to bust something else? |
| 07:08.08 | patlabor221 | you want the RH9 crash again? |
| 07:08.14 | captain_proton | yep |
| 07:08.16 | Secret_Hamster | so I get hyper, ever seen a hyper hamster |
| 07:08.21 | patlabor221 | CLEAR!!!! |
| 07:08.22 | Patalbor2211 | In file included from /usr/include/c++/3.2.2/memory:55, |
| 07:08.22 | Patalbor2211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.22 | Patalbor2211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.22 | Patalbor2211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.22 | Patalbor2211 | /usr/include/c++/3.2.2/bits/stl_alloc.h: In member function `_Tp* |
| 07:08.23 | Patalbor2211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.25 | Patalbor2211 | /usr/include/c++/3.2.2/bits/stl_alloc.h:685: Internal compiler error in |
| 07:08.27 | Patalbor2211 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.29 | Patalbor2211 | Please submit a full bug report, |
| 07:08.31 | Patalbor2211 | with preprocessed source if appropriate. |
| 07:08.38 | captain_proton | linux-2.5 is creeping up on us |
| 07:08.42 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:08.48 | captain_proton | is there a compiler update for 9? |
| 07:09.07 | Secret_Hamster | RH9 got a compiler bug? |
| 07:09.19 | captain_proton | wouldn't surprise me if RH9 has a compiler bug :) |
| 07:09.31 | sussudio | *shrug* feeding a muffin to a hamster makes em hyper enough |
| 07:09.47 | Secret_Hamster | haven't updated RH for abit. My server is still running 7.2 |
| 07:10.16 | captain_proton | Secret_Hamster: you're running a server that you haven't updated? |
| 07:10.20 | captain_proton | have you at least installed security fixes? |
| 07:10.29 | Secret_Hamster | it's stuck on an internal LAN |
| 07:10.37 | captain_proton | ah |
| 07:10.59 | Secret_Hamster | yea, exactly, no way I'd show that to the world |
| 07:11.01 | patlabor221 | time for the entitlement shuffle |
| 07:11.13 | captain_proton | entitlement shuffle? |
| 07:11.33 | patlabor221 | I have 2 rhn entitlements and 3 systems |
| 07:11.43 | patlabor221 | asgard, moljenor, and nuku-nuku |
| 07:11.44 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 07:12.41 | Secret_Hamster | Wish I had some money (read as a job) so i could buy some decent systems and support |
| 07:12.42 | patlabor221 | tho nuku is in a state of hybernation pending a mobo change |
| 07:13.10 | Secret_Hamster | IT work around here is far between, and very badly paid |
| 07:13.35 | patlabor221 | what would the compiler package be called? |
| 07:14.38 | captain_proton | gcc |
| 07:14.39 | captain_proton | gcc-c++ |
| 07:14.40 | captain_proton | etc |
| 07:14.49 | patlabor221 | didn't see any of those in the package |
| 07:14.54 | patlabor221 | just glib-devl stuff |
| 07:14.56 | captain_proton | hrm |
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| 07:17.37 | [dmp] | mørn |
| 07:19.07 | captain_proton | quick, break some stuff patlabor221 |
| 07:19.09 | captain_proton | the linux kernel is 2 commits away from passing us by |
| 07:19.43 | sussudio | p1g |
| 07:19.56 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: whitespace |
| 07:20.31 | captain_proton | haha |
| 07:20.49 | captain_proton | we're really developin' now! |
| 07:20.57 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: copyright |
| 07:21.04 | captain_proton | egads |
| 07:21.06 | captain_proton | now they're tied |
| 07:21.16 | captain_proton | oh well |
| 07:21.17 | captain_proton | they passed us |
| 07:21.27 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: whitespace |
| 07:21.39 | captain_proton | patlabor221: i think you can stop now :) |
| 07:22.10 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: date and stuff |
| 07:22.12 | CIA | made poopies. |
| 07:32.21 | ak|ra | :) |
| 07:32.28 | ak|ra | as "solution" ? |
| 07:32.29 | ak|ra | :) |
| 07:34.53 | patlabor221 | no |
| 07:34.59 | patlabor221 | VC6 |
| 07:35.12 | captain_proton | supermoves time |
| 07:37.33 | patlabor221 | wheeee for updates that crash X |
| 07:42.33 | patlabor221 | naw still slporks on compile |
| 07:42.38 | patlabor221 | well hope noone uses red hat |
| 07:43.04 | patlabor221 | that absolves me of making sure anything works on linux:) |
| 07:44.40 | ak|ra | is there a current bzflag.ebuild? :) |
| 07:44.46 | captain_proton | ak|ra: gentoo has one |
| 07:44.53 | captain_proton | ak|ra: it uses the old build system though |
| 07:44.57 | patlabor221 | seems I have gcc and g++ version 3.2.2.20030222 |
| 07:45.00 | ak|ra | 1.7.7.0 |
| 07:45.54 | patlabor221 | or 3.2.2-5 it may be called |
| 07:46.07 | captain_proton | ak|ra: they added the extra version number when we went to g0 |
| 07:46.16 | captain_proton | used to be 1.7.6 |
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| 07:49.36 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: don't take ANSI color codes into account when calculating string length |
| 07:55.59 | captain_proton | naptime for me! |
| 07:56.04 | patlabor221 | time for the long sleep |
| 07:56.10 | ak|ra | cu patlabor221 |
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| 08:08.33 | Chestal | OpenGLTexFont::getWidth() sure is an expensive operation now |
| 08:09.26 | sussudio | A security issue has been identified that could allow an attacker to compromise a computer running Microsoft® Windows® 2000 and gain complete control over it. |
| 08:09.29 | sussudio | fun with microsoft. |
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| 09:20.17 | tuxipuxi | hi |
| 09:20.20 | tuxipuxi | i have a question |
| 09:20.40 | tuxipuxi | when i respawn by pressing "i" i have my mouse cursor in the middle of the window |
| 09:20.44 | tuxipuxi | how do i get it away? |
| 09:23.15 | sussudio | move your mouse. |
| 09:27.24 | tuxipuxi | no other way? |
| 09:27.35 | tuxipuxi | how do you move? with mouse or with keyuboard? |
| 09:28.01 | sussudio | use your hand. move the mouse. |
| 09:31.40 | CIA | commit by chestal: apage satanas! I would have preferred the static const, but vc6 is too dumb to accept the code; using an enum might seem strange, but it has actually becoem a widely-used idiom for defining integer contants in classes; the macro in the header file is evil, it pollutes the global namespace with a common word |
| 09:31.40 | Chestal | CVS wars, yeah! |
| 09:35.24 | ak|ra | :) |
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| 10:00.08 | mmu_man | plop |
| 10:00.22 | mmu_man | is r1.7 still the one ? |
| 10:00.55 | Chestal | yes, -r v1_7 |
| 10:01.02 | mmu_man | k |
| 10:01.09 | mmu_man | long time since I didn't cvs up... |
| 10:01.11 | tuxipuxi | hm i move forward by pressig "up" key? |
| 10:01.17 | mmu_man | will need to reapply my patch I guess |
| 10:01.32 | Chestal | tuxi: I'd reallyrecommend to use the mouse |
| 10:01.39 | Chestal | mmu: which patch is that? |
| 10:01.44 | tuxipuxi | Chestal: but it's that slow |
| 10:01.53 | mmu_man | Chestal BeOS port |
| 10:02.24 | Chestal | mmu: ah, uhm. The whole build system is different, it's using autoconf now |
| 10:03.08 | Chestal | tuxipuxi: slow? the tank has a maximum speed. With mouse, it will drive at max speed as soon as the cursor is outside of the bigger of the two central boxes |
| 10:04.36 | mmu_man | Chestal let's hope it'll be simpler, which I doubt |
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| 10:13.41 | tuxipuxi | woah it's a nice game, but i'm getting sick. it's too fast for my head :P |
| 10:23.29 | Chestal | tuxipuxi: play on a server with only 1 or 2 shots. Sadly, they're not very well frequented in general. |
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| 10:52.05 | tuxipuxi | Chestal: maybe i have to eat something |
| 10:52.36 | david_v | don't remind me :) |
| 10:54.58 | david_v | ~ducati6 |
| 10:55.29 | david_v | hm, trying to type that in private with ibot but it tells me to RTFM :) |
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| 11:38.40 | mmu_man | so... will have to remember how to get something out of autotools... |
| 11:38.41 | mmu_man | :^) |
| 11:39.03 | mmu_man | the OO makefile system suited me better you know :p |
| 11:39.29 | mmu_man | include one, change this, add that, done |
| 11:40.57 | mmu_man | hmm seems it's still there ? |
| 11:41.03 | mmu_man | is i deprecated or ? |
| 11:42.00 | mmu_man | ping |
| 11:46.15 | mmu_man | ping |
| 11:52.00 | sussudio | how hard is it to run ./autogen.sh, frenchyfry? |
| 11:59.52 | david_v | does anyone know a good link for mounting a CD-RW drive read /write in Linux (or similar action) ? |
| 12:00.32 | david_v | s/drive/disk/ |
| 12:01.37 | mmu_man | depends if your OS is recgnized or not |
| 12:01.38 | mmu_man | :p |
| 12:02.00 | mmu_man | david_v search google for "linux packet writing" ? |
| 12:02.48 | david_v | ah that's it, tried linux cd-rw and didn't get far :) thanks |
| 12:06.30 | david_v | seems like i need to downgrade to 2.4.0 to apply the patch, or will it work with 2.4.20 as well? |
| 12:06.55 | david_v | ( looking at http://packet-cd.sourceforge.net/ ) |
| 12:14.51 | david_v | guess it won't work with 2.4.20, going with a downgrade for now, going to experiment later |
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| 12:37.59 | mmu_man | so, fixed this autotool mess |
| 12:38.07 | mmu_man | I hooe |
| 12:38.10 | mmu_man | hope |
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| 13:12.50 | mmu_man | btw, I showed bzflag at BeGeistert some months ago: |
| 13:14.36 | mmu_man | http://www.begeistert.org/010/fotos/hi/slideshow_084.html |
| 13:14.37 | Chestal | what's that? Sounds like a German BeOS meeting |
| 13:14.43 | mmu_man | http://www.begeistert.org/010/fotos/hi/slideshow_085.html |
| 13:14.50 | mmu_man | Chestal it is :p |
| 13:15.55 | Chestal | know any other peopel who play bzflag on BeOS? |
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| 13:16.08 | mmu_man | not yet |
| 13:16.16 | mmu_man | my port isn't stable enough |
| 13:16.22 | mmu_man | ok, let's 'make' it |
| 13:16.44 | mmu_man | make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. |
| 13:16.45 | mmu_man | hmmm |
| 13:17.02 | mmu_man | bzfrelay.o(.text+0x138b): undefined reference to `getrlimit' |
| 13:17.15 | mmu_man | hmm stupid useless funcs... how did I deal with that before ? |
| 13:18.05 | mmu_man | I'll explain you how you don't need it :) |
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| 13:20.18 | mmu_man | hmm this should be in configure |
| 13:20.24 | Chestal | oh, old and rusty bzfrelay |
| 13:20.55 | mmu_man | erf, it included my libposix headers inadvertantly... |
| 13:21.14 | creeperz | Can someone help me in #creeperz |
| 13:21.42 | mmu_man | #ifdef HAVE_RLIMIT |
| 13:21.43 | mmu_man | ? |
| 13:22.23 | creeperz | Can someone just enter my channel for a second |
| 13:22.30 | creeperz | I need to test auto-op |
| 13:25.02 | david_v | ~ducati6 |
| 13:25.09 | david_v | what channel? |
| 13:25.17 | creeperz | #creeperz |
| 13:25.21 | creeperz | It don'tr work |
| 13:25.33 | david_v | heh |
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| 13:29.37 | mmu_man | [revol@patrick /boot/home/devel/bzflag/work]$ ../bzflag/configure --prefix=$HOME/config && beep |
| 13:32.28 | mmu_man | ok, looks good |
| 13:32.38 | mmu_man | still those X11 related stuff to ditch |
| 13:32.48 | mmu_man | primitive gui |
| 13:37.22 | mmu_man | hmmm /boot/home/devel/bzflag/bzflag/src/common/Bundle.cxx:9: Bundle.h: No such file or directory |
| 13:37.36 | mmu_man | looks to me that gcc doesn't look into the good include folder: |
| 13:37.43 | mmu_man | g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../../bzflag/src/common -I../../include -O2 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -c -o Bundle.o `test -f '../../../bzflag/src/common/Bundle.cxx' || echo '../../../bzflag/src/common/'`../../../bzflag/src/common/Bundle.cxx |
| 13:38.02 | mmu_man | it should -I../../../bzflag/include |
| 13:39.32 | Chestal | -I../../../bzflag/src/common looks strange |
| 13:39.37 | Chestal | it assumes that your top level dir is 'bzflag' |
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| 13:41.31 | mmu_man | trying with a couple of symlinks |
| 13:41.42 | mmu_man | VPATH suxor |
| 13:43.03 | mmu_man | I think I'll revert to building in the src tree |
| 13:43.07 | mmu_man | much simpler |
| 13:43.23 | mmu_man | diff -urN -x '*.o' -x '*.d' works quite well anyway |
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| 13:44.38 | sussudio | diff -uNf -uNf -uNf |
| 13:44.48 | mmu_man | -f ? |
| 13:44.55 | sussudio | ~unf |
| 13:45.03 | sussudio | snort. |
| 13:45.26 | mmu_man | do'nt have -f on diff here |
| 13:45.32 | sussudio | :-| |
| 13:45.42 | sussudio | ~listkeys unf |
| 13:49.03 | doughecka | ~listkeys crs |
| 13:49.21 | doughecka | ~crs23 |
| 13:49.21 | | from memory, crs23 is here from time to time too. he's the original author / project lead. |
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| 13:50.49 | mmu_man | no way |
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| 13:50.56 | mmu_man | what's this mess ??????? |
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| 13:51.17 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.18 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.18 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:51.19 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.20 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.46 | sussudio | hrmpf. |
| 13:53.19 | sussudio | just run the friggin autogen.sh |
| 13:54.09 | mmu_man | I did countless times :p |
| 13:54.30 | mmu_man | autotools burn in hell ! |
| 13:54.40 | sussudio | are you running redrat or something |
| 13:55.24 | mmu_man | BeOS :p |
| 13:55.29 | mmu_man | rh suxor |
| 13:55.44 | sussudio | beos is dead dude, bury it already |
| 13:56.03 | mmu_man | BeOS is NOT dead |
| 13:56.06 | mmu_man | [revol@patrick /boot/home/devel/bzflag/bzflag]$ ./autogen.sh WARNING: Using auxiliary files such as `acconfig.h', `config.h.bot' WARNING: and `config.h.top', to define templates for `config.h.in' WARNING: is deprecated and discouraged. WARNING: Using the third argument of `AC_DEFINE' and WARNING: `AC_DEFINE_UNQUOTED' allows to define a template without WARNING: `acconfig.h': WARNING: AC_DEFINE([NEED_MAIN], 1, WARNING: |
| 13:56.06 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.12 | sussudio | it's pining for the fjords? |
| 13:56.42 | mmu_man | http://www.begeistert.org/010/fotos/hi/slideshow_084.html BeOS ROXOR |
| 13:57.04 | sussudio | yeah sure.... |
| 13:57.19 | mmu_man | and it's back from hell http://yellowtab.com http://openbeos.org http://beunited.org |
| 13:57.31 | mmu_man | <end of advertising/> |
| 13:57.37 | mmu_man | :p |
| 13:57.40 | Chestal | mmu: that warning is normal when you're using a new automake |
| 13:57.42 | sussudio | i ran beos once..... it looked dead to me |
| 13:57.57 | Chestal | mmu: it's probably best to wait until later the people who did the automake stuff are here |
| 13:58.01 | Chestal | mmu: I have no clue about it |
| 13:58.36 | mmu_man | always thought warnings weren't to be considered normal :p |
| 13:58.48 | mmu_man | so now: |
| 13:58.48 | mmu_man | ../bzflag/configure --prefix=$HOME/config && beep |
| 13:59.13 | mmu_man | sussudio once again it's not dead, in fact it's never been as alive as it's now |
| 14:00.32 | mmu_man | Amiga ROXOR |
| 14:00.32 | sussudio | snort. |
| 14:00.38 | mmu_man | http://www.begeistert.org/010/fotos/hi/slideshow_082.html |
| 14:00.53 | mmu_man | Pegasos running MorphOS trying to boot BeOS in Bochs |
| 14:01.22 | Chestal | pegasos? |
| 14:01.35 | mmu_man | the Genesi PPC mobo |
| 14:01.52 | Chestal | hmm, and what's MorphOS? |
| 14:03.01 | sussudio | Chestal: beating a dead horse |
| 14:03.05 | mmu_man | Amiga compatible OS for Pegasos |
| 14:03.13 | Chestal | I want my OS/2 back :-) |
| 14:03.18 | Chestal | well, actually only part of it |
| 14:03.29 | mmu_man | OS/2 ? isn't that dead </troll> |
| 14:03.30 | sussudio | Chestal: not the install part, i'd assume |
| 14:03.40 | Chestal | sussudio: the install was ok for me |
| 14:03.58 | Chestal | it's GUI/Desktpo had some nice features I haven't seen ever since |
| 14:04.54 | mmu_man | I have: |
| 14:04.55 | mmu_man | DEFAULT_INCLUDES = -I. -I$(srcdir) -I$(top_builddir)/include |
| 14:05.02 | mmu_man | in src/common/Makefile.in |
| 14:05.18 | mmu_man | to me it should be |
| 14:05.26 | mmu_man | DEFAULT_INCLUDES = -I. -I$(top_srcdir)/include -I$(top_builddir)/include |
| 14:06.01 | Chestal | what's top_srcdir pointing to anyway? |
| 14:06.06 | Chestal | I mean theres bzflag/include |
| 14:06.12 | Chestal | and bzflag/src/commo bzflag/src/bzflag etc. |
| 14:06.30 | Chestal | there's no bzflag/src/include |
| 14:06.58 | mmu_man | srcdir seems to be the current source folder, bzflag/src/common |
| 14:07.10 | mmu_man | but why does it put that in Makefile.in ? |
| 14:07.28 | Chestal | liek I said, I have no clue about the autoconf system |
| 14:08.44 | ak|ra | :) who has? |
| 14:09.44 | Chestal | I hope the people who wrote the .am files etc. have |
| 14:10.01 | Chestal | but they're all asleep now |
| 14:13.45 | mmu_man | IIRC there is a #autotools or something... -> /list |
| 14:13.51 | captain_proton | Chestal: enum is evil |
| 14:14.22 | Chestal | proton: it's not |
| 14:14.37 | Chestal | actually, after thinking about it, I think it's the best way,even preferrableover static const int |
| 14:15.37 | mmu_man | #devtools |
| 14:16.04 | david_v | has anyone been able to compile the package on http://packet-cd.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 14:16.08 | david_v | it doesn't work for me :( |
| 14:17.01 | sussudio | david_v: apt-get install udftools |
| 14:17.16 | david_v | apt-get, on Gentoo? :) |
| 14:17.25 | sussudio | bah. gentoo. |
| 14:17.29 | david_v | heh |
| 14:17.30 | doughecka | emerge? |
| 14:17.34 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 14:17.35 | | shut up doug |
| 14:17.41 | david_v | hehe |
| 14:18.00 | david_v | oh udftools is actually in the portage. uh, hm |
| 14:18.02 | doughecka | ~sussudioooo |
| 14:18.02 | | rumour has it, sussudioooo is the cow that went oink |
| 14:18.16 | david_v | doughecka: hang on a second while i try this |
| 14:18.31 | david_v | man i've been running around with kernel patches, etc etc etc... |
| 14:18.33 | david_v | to no use i guess |
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| 14:19.36 | captain_proton | how is it preferable to a static const int? |
| 14:20.35 | Chestal | it doesn't take up memory |
| 14:20.41 | Chestal | during runtime |
| 14:21.10 | Chestal | ok, it's only 4 bytes |
| 14:21.27 | Chestal | and it works with broken compilers liek VC6 |
| 14:24.21 | david_v | sussudio: seems like it still requires a recompiled kernel ? |
| 14:24.39 | sussudio | david_v: ask in gentoo or something. |
| 14:25.04 | david_v | i can't see it is gentoo related as it comes down to the kernel, but i'll try |
| 14:25.40 | captain_proton | #gentoo is a somewhat more appropriate place than #bzflag |
| 14:25.51 | david_v | well, um, yes :) |
| 14:25.52 | doughecka | really? |
| 14:25.58 | david_v | yah , yah :) |
| 14:26.20 | captain_proton | :P |
| 14:26.54 | david_v | sometimes they just don't respond there though |
| 14:29.14 | captain_proton | err...sf just went down i think |
| 14:29.40 | david_v | sf.net ? |
| 14:29.44 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 14:29.47 | david_v | fine for me |
| 14:30.00 | captain_proton | TimRiker: should i create the "sucky patches" tracker? |
| 14:30.05 | captain_proton | ah working now |
| 14:30.12 | david_v | hehe |
| 14:30.50 | mmu_man | ok, let's play it rough |
| 14:30.50 | mmu_man | for f in ../../bzflag/include/*.h; do ln -s $f .; done |
| 14:31.10 | mmu_man | this is plain bs |
| 14:31.56 | Chestal | proton: maybe you can help out mmu_man, he's got soem problems with the automake stuff on BeOS |
| 14:32.24 | david_v | nobody responding in #gentoo... :( |
| 14:32.33 | david_v | maybe in #linux or something |
| 14:32.40 | david_v | or in the forums... hm |
| 14:33.41 | mmu_man | no answer on #devtools yet |
| 14:33.42 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 14:33.53 | captain_proton | we were getting that same error on make distcheck but it got fixed |
| 14:33.57 | mmu_man | seems to be rolling if I ln -s every header in work/include |
| 14:34.03 | sussudio | people in #gentoo are probably too busy recompiling everything to notice you. |
| 14:34.19 | mmu_man | `socklen_t' undeclared (first use this function) much more classic one |
| 14:34.26 | mmu_man | sussudio lol |
| 14:34.53 | captain_proton | mmu_man: your config.h shouldn't define HAVE_SOCKLEN_T if you don't have socklen_t |
| 14:35.37 | mmu_man | it doesn't have it |
| 14:35.55 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.07 | mmu_man | :p |
| 14:36.20 | mmu_man | in /boot/home/devel/bzflag/bzflag/src/net/multicast.cxx:428: |
| 14:37.04 | mmu_man | just before, you have: |
| 14:37.05 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.06 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.06 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.10 | mmu_man | but after: |
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| 14:37.16 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.17 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.28 | mmu_man | I suppose it should cast to (AddrLen *) |
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| 14:38.25 | mmu_man | hmm |
| 14:38.44 | mmu_man | common.h typedefs sock*et*len_t, _not_ socklen_t |
| 14:39.04 | mmu_man | so how should I fix that ? |
| 14:39.17 | mmu_man | typedef socklen_t instead in common.h ? |
| 14:39.42 | mmu_man | line 43 |
| 14:39.45 | Chestal | is HAVE_SOCKLEN_T even used anywhere? |
| 14:39.45 | mmu_man | ping |
| 14:39.52 | captain_proton | oh i think patlabor screwed it up |
| 14:39.54 | captain_proton | one sec |
| 14:39.55 | mmu_man | Chestal in common.h |
| 14:40.09 | mmu_man | to typedef it, but it's done wrong |
| 14:40.12 | Chestal | hmm, maybe I must cvs up |
| 14:40.13 | captain_proton | yeah, he screwed it up |
| 14:40.33 | Chestal | proton: go away :-) cvs server: [07:40:17] waiting for davidtrowbridge's lock in /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/man |
| 14:40.38 | mmu_man | rah, no I don't want to cvs up and reapply my patch |
| 14:40.39 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 14:40.52 | mmu_man | so, typedef int socklen_t ? |
| 14:41.06 | mmu_man | then the AddrLen stuff is useless |
| 14:41.16 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: fix socklen_t stuff that jeffm busted |
| 14:41.23 | mmu_man | erf |
| 14:41.57 | mmu_man | someone diffs that for me plz so I don't have to cvs up ? |
| 14:42.21 | captain_proton | mmu_man: why don't you want to cvs up? |
| 14:42.23 | mmu_man | well I'll strip that from the final patch |
| 14:42.31 | mmu_man | captain_proton I'm in the middle of applying my BeOs patch |
| 14:42.43 | mmu_man | don't want to mess up yet |
| 14:43.40 | Chestal | mmu: that little change should be able to merge in cleanly |
| 14:44.07 | captain_proton | i'm not saying cvs up -C, just cvs up :) |
| 14:44.09 | mmu_man | well I'll finish my stuff first |
| 14:44.10 | sussudio | captain_proton: beOS activates the testishock © technology after each cvs up |
| 14:45.37 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: its prototype(4), not profile(4) |
| 14:49.09 | Chestal | hmm, what's prototype? |
| 14:49.15 | mmu_man | btw, which automake do you use ? |
| 14:49.41 | Chestal | mmu: 1.4 to 1.7 |
| 14:49.45 | Chestal | AFAIK |
| 14:50.07 | doughecka | lets just make it all in assembler |
| 14:50.09 | mmu_man | I use 1.7 so it shoul work |
| 14:50.12 | sussudio | ~slick |
| 14:50.13 | | Shut up, Doug. |
| 14:50.13 | doughecka | and solv all these problems |
| 14:50.48 | captain_proton | Chestal: input to pkgmk, for real posix systems |
| 14:50.50 | TimRiker | what's up with the if ! define.. define HAVE_ ? |
| 14:51.15 | TimRiker | seems that if you have it defined then you should HAVE_ but if you don't then you don't? |
| 14:51.34 | captain_proton | TimRiker: a newer version of winsock has a typedef for socklen_t but the older ones don't |
| 14:51.41 | captain_proton | TimRiker: and they don't provide any version defines |
| 14:51.56 | captain_proton | but since VC++ conveniently treats typedef as #define, this works |
| 14:52.08 | mmu_man | doh |
| 14:52.11 | mmu_man | that's ugly |
| 14:52.16 | captain_proton | very |
| 14:52.29 | Chestal | uhm? |
| 14:52.34 | captain_proton | but at least it will compile with both versions of the sdk now |
| 14:52.42 | mmu_man | grrrr |
| 14:52.44 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.51 | mmu_man | how did I ork around that before ? |
| 14:53.30 | Chestal | where does include/config.h come from when building on windows anyway? |
| 14:54.07 | mmu_man | damn, half needs the old gcc, the other half needs the new one :-( |
| 14:54.33 | captain_proton | Chestal: the win32 directory |
| 14:54.50 | mmu_man | seems bzflag exposes every possible bug in each BeOS gcc |
| 14:54.58 | Chestal | proton: ah |
| 14:55.43 | TimRiker | captain_proton: put a comment to that effect next to such ugly hacks. k? |
| 14:56.19 | Chestal | which warning is #pragma warning(disable: 4786) ? |
| 14:56.20 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.20 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.21 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.21 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:56.27 | mmu_man | wtf ????????? |
| 14:56.29 | Chestal | hmm, actually there are more ofthose |
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| 14:57.06 | Chestal | mmu: where's the actual error? |
| 14:57.27 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.27 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.38 | Chestal | urgs |
| 14:58.09 | mmu_man | 3 or 4 like this |
| 14:58.15 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: comment the ugly hack |
| 14:58.18 | TimRiker | Chestal: yeah, a comment by that one would be nice too. |
| 14:58.39 | Chestal | maybe the #pragmas for windows should be moved to config.h, so they're all in one place? |
| 14:58.43 | Chestal | if it is feasible |
| 14:59.04 | mmu_man | wtf, it used to compile |
| 14:59.15 | mmu_man | what did you f*ckingdo to that code ? :p |
| 14:59.15 | Chestal | mmu: hmm, strange. used to? when? |
| 14:59.23 | Chestal | well, bitset wasn't used before |
| 14:59.26 | mmu_man | some months ago :) |
| 14:59.32 | captain_proton | TimRiker: yay/nay on creating the sucky patches tracker? |
| 14:59.34 | Chestal | lookslike your bitset implementation inSTL is messed up |
| 14:59.48 | Chestal | maybe you can test it with a small sample program? |
| 14:59.57 | Chestal | mmu: which g++ version are you using? |
| 15:00.33 | Chestal | do we have #define for if (false) ; else in win32/config.h yet? |
| 15:00.37 | mmu_man | 2.9-beos-991026 |
| 15:00.50 | mmu_man | I do know there are bugs in gcc in BeOS |
| 15:01.03 | mmu_man | however we only have _3_ versions available |
| 15:01.06 | Chestal | does this mean it's from 1999? |
| 15:01.13 | mmu_man | I do'nt want to compile a fixed one just for that :p |
| 15:01.20 | mmu_man | yup |
| 15:01.21 | Chestal | bzflag works here with 2.95, 3.0, 3.2 and 3.3 |
| 15:01.28 | mmu_man | I have a newer: |
| 15:01.29 | TimRiker | mmu_man: calm the language down a tad? |
| 15:01.38 | mmu_man | 2.95.3 |
| 15:02.03 | mmu_man | TimRiker sorry, just upset beceuse it used to work :p |
| 15:02.22 | mmu_man | Chestal problem is this one bails out on setjmp |
| 15:02.33 | mmu_man | so, either fix bitset, either fix setjmp |
| 15:02.38 | Chestal | pre-3.0 gccs are not conformant to the standard. However, 2.95 is usually ok, older ones shipped with incomplete standard libraries |
| 15:02.44 | mmu_man | I don't remember which one I used... |
| 15:03.12 | captain_proton | 2.95 only shipped with semi-incomplete standard libs :P |
| 15:03.18 | captain_proton | like many not having sstream |
| 15:03.37 | Chestal | I remember that, but at least newer 2.95 seemto have it |
| 15:03.44 | mmu_man | and as the thing includes the gcc headers in dependancies, I can't use a gcc to build a half and another to finish :-( |
| 15:03.56 | sussudio | mmu_man: so build a newer gcc |
| 15:04.03 | mmu_man | sussudio certainly no :P |
| 15:04.20 | mmu_man | I have enough bad memory of building gcc (ti68k cross gcc) |
| 15:04.25 | Chestal | hmm, wasn't aware that setjmp is used in bzflag |
| 15:04.39 | mmu_man | well it includes the header |
| 15:04.54 | mmu_man | ... |
| 15:05.05 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.05 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.10 | Chestal | yes, looks evil |
| 15:05.18 | Chestal | I wonder if this stuff could be rewritten |
| 15:06.34 | mmu_man | I remember having errors on setjmp previously |
| 15:06.44 | mmu_man | the workaround was to use the other gcc :^) |
| 15:07.08 | Chestal | why is a function, which takes a name and returns anIP called 'gethostbyaddress'? |
| 15:07.25 | Chestal | ah, my fault |
| 15:07.47 | mmu_man | setjmp is a C primitive exception handling |
| 15:08.07 | mmu_man | damn, bzflag used to be more crossplatform :P |
| 15:09.02 | mmu_man | maybe I can try some magic |
| 15:09.08 | mmu_man | black magic even |
| 15:09.20 | captain_proton | erg |
| 15:09.27 | captain_proton | we actualy do use setjmp |
| 15:09.39 | captain_proton | Address.cxx has some dirty code |
| 15:09.48 | captain_proton | not quite as dirty as it used to be |
| 15:09.51 | captain_proton | but dirty nonetheless |
| 15:10.37 | Chestal | if I understand it correctly, setjmp is used for the rare case when the alarm goes off before gethostbyname is calles |
| 15:10.55 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.56 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.56 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.59 | mmu_man | let's see |
| 15:11.28 | Chestal | you're evil :-) |
| 15:11.45 | mmu_man | Chestal mind you someone showed this one to me, I didn't invent it :))) |
| 15:12.29 | mmu_man | ok, bzfs.o compiled |
| 15:12.37 | mmu_man | so I'lml #ifdef __BeOS__ that |
| 15:13.57 | mmu_man | not sure this will get into cvs =) |
| 15:14.31 | mmu_man | still compiling... |
| 15:14.41 | mmu_man | I didn't try make -j |
| 15:14.53 | mmu_man | but I think make -j is buggy in R5... |
| 15:15.52 | captain_proton | erg, difficult to get an answer out of TimRiker unless you break something :) |
| 15:15.53 | mmu_man | ranlib libGeometry.a |
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| 15:16.53 | JBDiGriz | -Nidhoggr |
| 15:17.17 | JBDiGriz | -seen Nidhoggr |
| 15:17.32 | mmu_man | ~seen myself |
| 15:17.33 | | i haven't seen 'myself', mmu_man |
| 15:17.45 | Nidhoggr | just got bto work. |
| 15:17.51 | Nidhoggr | got to work tht is |
| 15:17.54 | Nidhoggr | ack |
| 15:18.00 | Nidhoggr | this keyboard is not friendly |
| 15:18.03 | TimRiker | captain_proton: what already? I'm in a meeting. ;-) |
| 15:18.09 | mmu_man | ranlib libSceneDB.a |
| 15:18.12 | captain_proton | TimRiker: sucky patches tracker! |
| 15:18.15 | JBDiGriz | Nidhoggr: I'm not even at work yet, need my coffee! ..... |
| 15:18.17 | captain_proton | yes/no |
| 15:18.27 | TimRiker | on SF? sure. |
| 15:19.02 | JBDiGriz | I have a ATI 7500 in the quicksilver, it doesn't like big complex maps either, but the sound was fine. |
| 15:19.09 | mmu_man | btw, I thank the one who put an AC_CHECK_LIB on libm |
| 15:19.24 | mmu_man | it's so rare... every linux coder assumes every OS has that |
| 15:19.27 | Nidhoggr | ah. what kind of frame rates? |
| 15:19.47 | JBDiGriz | At secretplace 5fps, at rosemeyers 170fps |
| 15:20.08 | Nidhoggr | wow |
| 15:20.55 | JBDiGriz | I'm now curious about GF cards in the quicksilver and what frame rates those get. |
| 15:21.12 | sussudio | wtf is quicksilver |
| 15:21.37 | Nidhoggr | iBook |
| 15:21.54 | JBDiGriz | Dual CPU G4 |
| 15:22.00 | Nidhoggr | oh. duh. |
| 15:22.07 | Nidhoggr | I have an old one |
| 15:22.14 | Nidhoggr | and it wasn't called quicksilver. |
| 15:22.34 | JBDiGriz | Even the quicksilver is now old |
| 15:25.08 | Chestal | hmm, I need an address for which the name lookup takes forever :-) |
| 15:25.28 | JBDiGriz | What address? |
| 15:26.28 | Chestal | actually a hostname |
| 15:26.44 | sussudio | bah.... that's cheating: evilbunniesoncrack.tv has not been registered and is available for $50.00/ year*. |
| 15:27.38 | bryjen | Anybody running bind and connected by modem? :) |
| 15:27.46 | sussudio | no. |
| 15:28.06 | JBDiGriz | I used to be, what's the question? My static IP is still on modem. |
| 15:28.33 | bryjen | Chestal needs to test slow DNS lookups |
| 15:28.41 | Chestal | I found one |
| 15:29.08 | JBDiGriz | One of my secondary DNS servers is my DSL line, so lookups aren't that slow. |
| 15:29.34 | captain_proton | ok, time to go to work |
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| 15:30.07 | mmu_man | hmm I think I forgot -lgame |
| 15:30.14 | Chestal | ok, gethosybyname actually willnot be interrupted by signals |
| 15:30.15 | mmu_man | eh |
| 15:30.27 | Chestal | so we need the setjmp anyway, not only for this hypothetical race condition |
| 15:30.46 | mmu_man | GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 15:30.52 | mmu_man | stupid build system ! |
| 15:31.03 | mmu_man | I change one thing and it will recompile everything :-( |
| 15:31.11 | Chestal | it's clever :-) |
| 15:31.45 | mmu_man | a bit too much |
| 15:32.12 | mmu_man | if at least it didn't take half an hour to compile |
| 15:32.30 | Chestal | then use touch to fake the modify time of config.h or whatever you modified |
| 15:32.44 | mmu_man | yeah, well too late |
| 15:33.07 | mmu_man | didn't work |
| 15:33.16 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.16 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.17 | mmu_man | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.31 | mmu_man | while true; do echo "autotools suxor"; done |
| 15:41.16 | Chestal | mmu: heh, it took the other guys more than a week to get it right, too :-) |
| 15:41.41 | mmu_man | not surprising :) |
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| 15:42.28 | Nidhoggr | is there something that you have to do to get opengl to do direct rendering besides just running the bzflag executable? |
| 15:43.03 | Nidhoggr | someone suggested that it may be doing software rendering. |
| 15:43.23 | Chestal | Nid: ehm, what OS? |
| 15:43.36 | Nidhoggr | osx |
| 15:43.41 | Nidhoggr | janguar |
| 15:43.45 | Nidhoggr | jaguar even |
| 15:43.47 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:44.09 | Chestal | it probably depends on your system |
| 15:44.17 | Patlabor221 | usualy it's up to the OS/Drivers to decide if it's hardware or software. |
| 15:44.18 | Chestal | so if any GL is using hardware,then bzflag will do so as well |
| 15:44.42 | Nidhoggr | from what I understand if I have a shadowed cursor, then my GL is happy. |
| 15:44.48 | Nidhoggr | and it's shadowed. |
| 15:45.11 | Chestal | a typical sign for software rendering is that usign textures slows it down by a factor of 10 or more |
| 15:45.28 | Nidhoggr | nod. that is how it seems. |
| 15:45.35 | Nidhoggr | but I don't know how to tell. |
| 15:45.54 | Chestal | well, switch the texture options |
| 15:45.57 | Patlabor221 | what does BZ report for the Gl context name in the console when it starts? |
| 15:47.19 | Nidhoggr | dunno.. I posted the GL output when it starts to the thread, but I don't see a "context" string in there. |
| 15:47.27 | Nidhoggr | I ran it remotely. |
| 15:47.37 | Patlabor221 | this shows in the console when you launch |
| 15:47.42 | Nidhoggr | so I could capture the info. |
| 15:47.45 | Patlabor221 | usualy shows what card was detected |
| 15:47.54 | Nidhoggr | nod.. it detected the right card. |
| 15:48.02 | Nidhoggr | Vendor: "ATI Technologies Inc." |
| 15:48.02 | Nidhoggr | Renderer: "ATI Radeon 8500 OpenGL Engine" |
| 15:48.03 | Nidhoggr | Version: "1.3 ATI-1.2.20" |
| 15:48.18 | Patlabor221 | then that's who made your GL implementiuon |
| 15:48.26 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 15:48.38 | Patlabor221 | they are allowed to have there own rules in the driver to know when to kick to hardware or software |
| 15:48.57 | Patlabor221 | like old TNT cards would kick to software when the gl window go too larger |
| 15:49.32 | Patlabor221 | so there could be something that BZ is doing that is making the driver give you a software context. |
| 15:49.34 | mmu_man | lol |
| 15:49.58 | Nidhoggr | I'll try searching ATI's site. |
| 15:53.08 | Nidhoggr | nothing useful. |
| 15:56.09 | Patlabor221 | it's probably some borken undocumented thing they just don't like, or something like that |
| 15:56.16 | Nidhoggr | could be. |
| 15:56.55 | Nidhoggr | they've not had the best history with drivers |
| 15:56.58 | Nidhoggr | brb |
| 16:01.33 | mmu_man | ok, got a diff |
| 16:10.19 | TimRiker | ~dict maven |
| 16:10.55 | TimRiker | ~dict guru |
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| 16:17.50 | sussudio | ~dict pig |
| 16:18.25 | mmu_man | ok |
| 16:18.26 | mmu_man | compiled |
| 16:18.30 | mmu_man | still this join bug |
| 16:21.55 | prot-work | sussudio: why are you so obsessed with pigs? |
| 16:24.49 | larsl | Wow, did _all_ source files change again? |
| 16:25.18 | prot-work | larsl: a lot of them did - adding common.h to most things |
| 16:25.27 | mmu_man | larsl and a lot will again >:-) |
| 16:26.07 | Patlabor221 | I taged a bunch of headers too, for W32 warnings |
| 16:26.26 | Patlabor221 | and then there was the borking. |
| 16:26.59 | prot-work | Patlabor221: you busted common.h :) |
| 16:27.08 | Patlabor221 | whoooot!!!! |
| 16:27.21 | Patlabor221 | see how it feels, seee.... do ya. not fun is it! :) |
| 16:28.08 | Patlabor221 | at 5:30 I had win32 building perfect, I go watch a movie, and come back and lookie there are like a fabilion errors :) |
| 16:28.38 | Patlabor221 | I am just doing my part to keep us over the linux kernel |
| 16:29.02 | Patlabor221 | for my next change I am going to commit on a per line basis |
| 16:29.09 | larsl | The kernel is using CIA? |
| 16:29.22 | prot-work | larsl: is now |
| 16:30.20 | mmu_man | error downloading world database |
| 16:30.26 | mmu_man | I always get that when trying to connect |
| 16:30.37 | larsl | Patlabor221: Hm, looks like you need to break more things. |
| 16:30.43 | larsl | The kernel is way ahead of us. =) |
| 16:31.52 | Patlabor221 | ohh I have a plan |
| 16:31.57 | Patlabor221 | do I ever have a paln |
| 16:32.17 | Patlabor221 | tho I fear BZ may not survive my plan |
| 16:32.34 | larsl | while true; do echo '=)' >> README; cvs ci; done |
| 16:34.46 | Patlabor221 | I was gonna turn all the variables into l33t |
| 16:35.11 | mmu_man | l00pC0n7 |
| 16:35.14 | mmu_man | l00pC0un7 |
| 16:35.27 | mmu_man | mYp01n73r |
| 16:36.41 | prot-work | Patlabor221: you need to do l33t hungarian notation ;-) |
| 16:37.05 | mmu_man | btw |
| 16:37.16 | mmu_man | src/platform/Make-* are deprecated too I suppose ? |
| 16:37.22 | larsl | mmu_man: Yes. |
| 16:37.23 | prot-work | yes |
| 16:37.32 | mmu_man | ok, removing that fromt he diff |
| 16:38.05 | ak|ra | :) |
| 16:38.13 | mmu_man | where do I submit patches ? |
| 16:38.20 | prot-work | mmu_man: on sourceforge |
| 16:38.23 | mmu_man | on the sf page or the ml . |
| 16:38.23 | mmu_man | ? |
| 16:38.39 | ak|ra | Chestal: ruby -> puts Digest::MD5.hexdigest("kungfoo fighting") |
| 16:38.41 | Patlabor221 | iD3s40tV3110c1ty |
| 16:39.07 | prot-work | desaot? |
| 16:39.24 | Patlabor221 | iTheShotVeliocity |
| 16:40.01 | Patlabor221 | can pout |-?/\ or any of that in a var sadly |
| 16:40.09 | Patlabor221 | gann can't put even |
| 16:42.26 | larsl | The new SB texture is scary. |
| 16:42.44 | prot-work | it SHOULD be scary |
| 16:42.54 | prot-work | ;) |
| 16:42.55 | mmu_man | so, dinner |
| 16:43.50 | sussudio | dinner.so |
| 16:43.56 | prot-work | yay for having a sucky patches tracker |
| 16:44.06 | larsl | It's sucky? |
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| 16:44.49 | prot-work | very |
| 16:48.14 | prot-work | hmm |
| 16:48.25 | prot-work | quick vote: do score % patches get classified as sucky? |
| 16:49.58 | larsl | score % ? |
| 16:52.40 | prot-work | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=442089&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 16:53.00 | prot-work | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=540538&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 16:55.57 | rioter | seems like a good idea to me |
| 16:56.08 | larsl | Move them to E/T. |
| 16:56.25 | Patlabor221 | damnit I can't make phpbb not let iframes in |
| 16:58.36 | Patlabor221 | well, looks like it'll be BBCode only from now on then |
| 17:01.33 | Patlabor221 | oooo it was allowing imbeded objects too, that's not good. |
| 17:02.57 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> how was it allowing iframes and embedded objects? I'm looking at the allowed html code, and there are no such tags. |
| 17:03.13 | Patlabor221 | I know, but it was still allowing them |
| 17:03.19 | Patlabor221 | that filter did not get them out |
| 17:03.24 | Patlabor221 | realy scary |
| 17:03.43 | Patlabor221 | the filter wasn't filtering |
| 17:03.50 | fiberchunks | hrm.... |
| 17:04.31 | fiberchunks | like how did you do the strongbad imbed? |
| 17:04.34 | Patlabor221 | it was still allowing the posting of those iframes, "dervs" posts |
| 17:04.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:05.05 | Patlabor221 | you could put any bad page in there and the client would open it |
| 17:05.08 | Patlabor221 | I don't like that |
| 17:05.28 | Patlabor221 | I mean the strong bad things are funny and all, but it's not worth the risk |
| 17:05.35 | Patlabor221 | and it screws up the repply |
| 17:05.55 | Patlabor221 | derv was trying to crash browsers, by having an iframe that included the page it was in. |
| 17:06.00 | Patlabor221 | recursive page |
| 17:06.08 | fiberchunks | yeah, and it seems the way around the tag requirement is simply the url bbcode linking to that offsite |
| 17:06.21 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:06.30 | Patlabor221 | I can't see anything we NEED html for |
| 17:06.33 | fiberchunks | oh, was his post html different than what is up there currently |
| 17:06.34 | Patlabor221 | and bbcode is easyer |
| 17:06.48 | Patlabor221 | yes, I changed it :) |
| 17:07.07 | Patlabor221 | he was including the URL to the post as the URL of the iframe |
| 17:07.10 | fiberchunks | hrm. did you disallow all html in the main config? It looks like it |
| 17:07.14 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:07.16 | prot-work | i need more people to vote |
| 17:07.18 | fiberchunks | oh, ic |
| 17:07.22 | Patlabor221 | that was the only way to turn it off |
| 17:07.22 | prot-work | ok, next patch to vote on: |
| 17:07.35 | prot-work | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=489280&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 17:08.13 | fiberchunks | what is the need for that command? just curious |
| 17:08.46 | Patlabor221 | it's interesting and all |
| 17:08.57 | Patlabor221 | it could help find cheaters |
| 17:09.06 | fiberchunks | how? |
| 17:09.08 | Patlabor221 | but I don't think anyone will use it |
| 17:09.20 | prot-work | i'm thinking that its sort of duplicated by /idlestats |
| 17:09.21 | Patlabor221 | if you susspect somone is unkillable |
| 17:09.32 | fiberchunks | does it include a <paused> type thing next to people as well? |
| 17:09.41 | bryjen | would be nice to know how long someone's been paused, since pausing isnt idling for /idlestats |
| 17:09.44 | fiberchunks | so you can differentiate the paused from the unkillable? |
| 17:09.49 | Patlabor221 | I would call it /lastdeath tho, not age. |
| 17:10.08 | Patlabor221 | or /alivetime |
| 17:10.32 | Patlabor221 | cus you could just make it return 12 all the time and /age would make sense 95% of the time. |
| 17:10.36 | fiberchunks | lastdeath's better |
| 17:10.41 | bryjen | meebee /pausetime ? /pausestats ? |
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| 17:11.03 | bryjen | Patlabor221: /iq ? |
| 17:11.22 | Patlabor221 | no that would return 1 |
| 17:11.24 | bzgirl | whats the benifit of knowing when my opponent last died? |
| 17:11.39 | Patlabor221 | I don't know realy |
| 17:11.52 | bzgirl | aside form cheaters i mean |
| 17:11.55 | bryjen | if they're cheating and unkillable their losses with stay 0 |
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| 17:12.30 | fiberchunks | yes, but does /age indicate what their losses are? if so, then it'd be useful as a cheater detection thang |
| 17:12.56 | Patlabor221 | that's the only thing I can see it used for |
| 17:13.10 | fiberchunks | but if it just tells you how long it's been since someone has died -- and doesn't include pausers or idlers, then I really don't see much use for it |
| 17:13.12 | Patlabor221 | maybe just tack that info into the player list, or something |
| 17:13.13 | bryjen | fiberchunks: they are losses. what else about them would you like to know? |
| 17:13.43 | bryjen | hmmm suicides vs. kills ? |
| 17:14.20 | Patlabor221 | the feature dosn't realy make sense, I don't think we need to turn it into a feature that makes sense, just skip it, and ship G2 |
| 17:14.44 | fiberchunks | *nod* |
| 17:14.48 | bryjen | so let it be written |
| 17:15.00 | bryjen | preferribly to /dev/null |
| 17:17.22 | JBDiGriz | Has anyone come up with a method for detecting thin tanks? (clients with modified collision detection) |
| 17:17.37 | bryjen | Eh? "Enhancements & Tweaks" == sucky patches? or are you building another one that's not public yet? |
| 17:18.14 | prot-work | bryjen: E & T == sucky |
| 17:18.40 | prot-work | i just didn't want to name the tracker that way because some people might get offended if the majority of their patches end up there |
| 17:18.47 | bryjen | Hmmm, marketing mustve got ahold of that before it was HTMLized onto SF :) |
| 17:20.09 | bryjen | JBDiGriz: I don't think the server's doing any collision checking yet |
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| 17:20.37 | [dmp] | crap |
| 17:23.21 | JBDiGriz | bryjen: It's not. I was just thinking of how to implement such a check in the current environment. |
| 17:25.01 | prot-work | i'm guessing this one is probably out, considering it hasn't made it in: |
| 17:25.01 | prot-work | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=489280&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 17:25.32 | prot-work | tim can reclassify it if he wants :) |
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| 17:26.01 | sussudio | airborne souie? |
| 17:26.19 | sussudio | ERROR |
| 17:26.19 | sussudio | Artifact: Invalid ArtifactID |
| 17:26.23 | sussudio | yeah, i'd say it's out |
| 17:26.26 | bryjen | did you toss it afore posting that like? I get an error trying to access it. |
| 17:26.45 | bryjen | uh, yeah. what he said. |
| 17:27.04 | bryjen | s/like/link |
| 17:27.11 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone ([JzquxnLVS@ppp-62-11-18-6.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 17:27.20 | prot-work | i changed the data type right before you visisted it |
| 17:28.01 | bryjen | shhhhure, invite folks in and the lock the door ;P |
| 17:28.40 | prot-work | hehe |
| 17:29.03 | prot-work | woo! 18 active patches |
| 17:29.43 | prot-work | 17! |
| 17:30.25 | bryjen | - Patches ( 22 open / 189 total ) |
| 17:31.08 | prot-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.18 | mmu_man | so |
| 17:32.18 | Patlabor221 | we need a "sillyest patch" contest so we can populate the new "stupid patches" section |
| 17:32.58 | sussudio | Max: 1024 x 768 @ 60 Hz |
| 17:32.58 | sussudio | Recommended: 1024 x 768 @ 85 Hz |
| 17:33.01 | sussudio | how's that work? |
| 17:33.07 | mmu_man | I hope noone will say my BeOs patch is silly, or I'll kick him |
| 17:33.10 | mmu_man | =) |
| 17:33.24 | Patlabor221 | naw, the patch is fine, the BeOs is silly :) |
| 17:33.46 | mmu_man | *slap* |
| 17:33.49 | mmu_man | BeOS ROXOR |
| 17:34.06 | sussudio | i can get a used sun gdm20e20 20" (18" viewable) for 149 or an ibm e74 17" (16" viewable) for 109 :-| |
| 17:34.19 | Patlabor221 | well it would be a good thing to get those 5 people who use BeOS to play BZ, allways need more players. |
| 17:34.45 | Patlabor221 | we have 19's for like 170 I think |
| 17:34.46 | Patlabor221 | new |
| 17:35.15 | sussudio | yes and about a 1000 for shipping and a 110->220 converter..... |
| 17:35.19 | mmu_man | Patlabor221 ->[] |
| 17:35.28 | Patlabor221 | I don't think it would be that much |
| 17:35.42 | bryjen | wrong side of the planet |
| 17:35.51 | JBDiGriz | Let's get a match between the BeOS players and the Amiga players! :) |
| 17:36.03 | sussudio | won't 20" .28 dotpitch hurt your eyes? |
| 17:36.04 | mmu_man | JBDiGriz first I need to get bzflag to connect |
| 17:36.06 | Patlabor221 | and the mac players can ref.. untill they crash |
| 17:36.11 | bryjen | both of em? |
| 17:36.15 | mmu_man | it used to connect locally 10% of the time |
| 17:36.22 | mmu_man | now it never does |
| 17:36.46 | JBDiGriz | Luckily the mac players aren't crashing as much, at least I haven't had a hang in a week! woohoo! |
| 17:37.10 | sussudio | i thought crashing mac players was a feature :-O |
| 17:37.13 | mmu_man | Error downloading world database |
| 17:37.16 | mmu_man | ugly error |
| 17:37.17 | mmu_man | :-( |
| 17:37.18 | bzgirl | JB do you suspect theres "thin tanks" around? |
| 17:37.47 | JBDiGriz | We found that Patlabor221 had added a small patch to the MacOS client :P |
| 17:39.14 | JBDiGriz | bzgirl: The other day on ducati, there was a player that was doing extremely well. Lag wasn't bad, and I put a couple of shots in a width that would ordinarily have scored a hit. |
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| 17:39.43 | bzgirl | thats whay he was doing well, good doger maybe? |
| 17:39.49 | JBDiGriz | bzgirl: Obviously, it didn't, and SGI was playing on my team, so I asked him what he thought. |
| 17:39.50 | prot-work | wahoo |
| 17:39.54 | prot-work | 14 active patches |
| 17:40.01 | prot-work | and hopefully most of them can be applied post-g2 :) |
| 17:40.13 | JBDiGriz | bzgirl: He asked me to back off, so I did. He came to the same conclusion. |
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| 17:40.59 | JBDiGriz | bzgirl: Clearly that's only speculative, so I was trying to come up with a mechanism for testing within the server |
| 17:41.15 | prot-work | we need to move all the stuff to the server |
| 17:41.22 | prot-work | which means making the server track game state |
| 17:41.30 | prot-work | which is not a trivial task at the moment |
| 17:41.31 | bzgirl | JB sometimes i wonder about that also, some almost impossible dodges... |
| 17:41.33 | larsl | prot-work: Are you keeping the Wings / Reverse flag patch? |
| 17:41.33 | bryjen | prot-work: 4 or 5 are new flag/game style -> must be next release |
| 17:41.36 | david_v | heh, missed Paladin with one hour |
| 17:41.42 | david_v | did he say anything about coming back? |
| 17:41.57 | prot-work | larsl: in the flag list riker listed it as a "maybe", the biggest reason it hasn't been applied is protocol issues |
| 17:42.06 | bryjen | errrrr next _after_ g2 |
| 17:42.15 | larsl | OK. I don't really like the 'Reverse', though. |
| 17:42.22 | prot-work | reverse actually is kinda fun |
| 17:42.23 | JBDiGriz | bzgirl: If I know the player, I usually just assume that it's skill, but when it's a new callsign, I have to wonder. |
| 17:42.28 | prot-work | (i implemented it for 1.8) |
| 17:42.51 | prot-work | i think with the current trend adding bad flags isn't too important |
| 17:42.59 | prot-work | since people seem to be fond of these 4 second shake times |
| 17:43.04 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone ([nUajbI0fy@ppp-62-11-18-6.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 17:43.08 | prot-work | :P |
| 17:43.20 | larsl | All the more reason to add _really_ bad flags. =) |
| 17:43.28 | prot-work | larsl: perhaps you should create a new cvs modul for bzadmin? |
| 17:43.37 | larsl | Like anti-genocide - when a team member gets killed, you die too. |
| 17:43.51 | prot-work | thoughts anyone: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=566994&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 17:44.04 | larsl | prot-work: I think Tim wanted it in the main module after the client code has been cleaned up. |
| 17:44.08 | bryjen | larsl: then those flags just get left out of the server setup entirely |
| 17:44.15 | sussudio | JBDiGriz: he wasnt using a 1.7e6 client at all? |
| 17:45.03 | larsl | prot-work: Sounds interesting. |
| 17:45.07 | sussudio | i'd like geno to work on rogues too :-| |
| 17:45.16 | larsl | I'm not sure how useful it is, I've never played a timed game. |
| 17:46.38 | JBDiGriz | sussudio : He was using a 1.7g1 client |
| 17:46.40 | bryjen | it sends you back to base on unpause? what about flags? |
| 17:46.49 | sussudio | JBDiGriz: did he get killed at all? |
| 17:47.14 | bryjen | e.g. i've got otherteam's flag and i get zapped to my base? |
| 17:47.19 | fiberchunks | :\ |
| 17:47.43 | JBDiGriz | sussudio: Yes, but only on very accurate shots, I zoomed in the radar and was watching some of the misses. |
| 17:48.20 | bryjen | oooops "...along with their flags to ensure a fair restart." hmmm |
| 17:48.26 | sussudio | JBDiGriz: i think there's a parameter for getting hit... he probably changed that |
| 17:49.05 | JBDiGriz | sussudio: There are some tank sizes for collsion detection in the client. It's easy enough to change, but hard to detect that it was changed. |
| 17:50.51 | bryjen | or is that supposed to mean (players get sent to base) and (flags get sent to base) ? |
| 17:51.02 | mmu_man | grrr |
| 17:51.11 | mmu_man | stupid browser didn't attached the file :-( |
| 17:51.15 | mmu_man | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=753445&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 17:54.46 | mmu_man | grrr |
| 17:56.01 | sussudio | JBDiGriz: can you go to ducati 5155 and tell me how my tank looks? |
| 17:57.42 | bzgirl | it lookes paused |
| 17:57.58 | mmu_man | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=753445&group_id=3248&atid=303248 any taker ? |
| 18:00.03 | Patlabor221 | does it fully work? |
| 18:00.05 | JBDiGriz | sussudio: It's not letting me connect from my current location, sorry! |
| 18:00.18 | mmu_man | Patlabor221 not yet |
| 18:00.35 | mmu_man | it used to work locally, but the current cvs doesn't want to connect anymore :-( |
| 18:04.24 | sussudio | JBDiGriz: it seems to go thin on my side only |
| 18:04.52 | sussudio | ah.... |
| 18:04.59 | sussudio | i only changed the getbuilding part. |
| 18:05.56 | JBDiGriz | sussudio: I suspect that the local client will determine the sizes on the display. |
| 18:07.04 | mmu_man | I don't need to forward back any port to connect to a remote server, do I ? |
| 18:07.08 | mmu_man | (udp ?) |
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| 18:08.00 | larsl | mmu_man: No, the client is creating the connections. |
| 18:09.29 | prot-work | yay for only having 15 open patches |
| 18:09.30 | mmu_man | I can't connect locally either anyway... |
| 18:09.39 | mmu_man | will try an old client on the new server |
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| 18:12.35 | prot-work | mmu_man: what exactly does yieldCurrent() do? |
| 18:15.01 | mmu_man | it releases the GL context for a while so other threads can acquire it |
| 18:15.19 | mmu_man | like the thread that draws to the framebuffer when using software gl |
| 18:15.31 | Noodleman | http://www.unitedmedia.com/wash/pickles/archive/images/pickles2003304890612.gif |
| 18:15.42 | mmu_man | it must be done, else the system thinks the app is deadlocked, and kills it after 3 seconds |
| 18:16.48 | prot-work | ugh |
| 18:21.02 | prot-work | mmu_man: did you stub it out everywhere else so that other platforms will still build? |
| 18:21.17 | mmu_man | prot-work yes, I added it in BzfWindow |
| 18:21.37 | mmu_man | ahhh, got connected twice |
| 18:21.43 | mmu_man | but it's still very crashy :-( |
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| 18:22.00 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 18:22.27 | TimRiker | nslookup xmission.bzflag.org |
| 18:22.27 | prot-work | TimRiker: sucky patch or no?: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=566994&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 18:22.29 | TimRiker | ~nslookup xmission.bzflag.org |
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| 18:23.00 | creeperz | Hello |
| 18:23.30 | Noodleman | m00 |
| 18:23.35 | TimRiker | prot-work: eh... nah. just tough to do. |
| 18:23.45 | creeperz | Hey, Tim |
| 18:24.36 | prot-work | TimRiker: what i mean is, will it get accepted? if not, i'll move it to E&T |
| 18:25.26 | TimRiker | ~xmission |
| 18:25.28 | Noodlebot | i have no idea. i'm just a stupid bot. go ask ibot instead. |
| 18:25.38 | TimRiker | prot-work: not as is. need more thought. |
| 18:25.46 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 18:25.57 | prot-work | ok, i think i'll make a note as such and move it |
| 18:26.21 | TimRiker | ~nslookup bzflag.secretplace.us |
| 18:26.39 | Nidhoggr | ip changed |
| 18:27.01 | prot-work | TimRiker: soo...when are we cutting g2 loose? :) |
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| 18:32.51 | TimRiker | prot-work: don't ask me mid meeting. ;-) back later. |
| 18:33.36 | prot-work | heh |
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| 19:00.25 | fiberchunks | afternoon all |
| 19:10.23 | creeperz | Heh |
| 19:11.29 | creeperz | Thanks to Metallica and Dr. Dre, MP3s have a max. fine of like $500/mp3 |
| 19:11.42 | prot-work | creeperz: mp3s are legal |
| 19:11.50 | creeperz | Not all |
| 19:11.51 | prot-work | copyrighted mp3s that you don't own are not |
| 19:11.53 | fiberchunks | my mp3's are my own -- from my disks - ripped |
| 19:11.57 | stibnite | isn't that what apple sells 'em for? |
| 19:12.03 | creeperz | Yes, prot, I know |
| 19:12.31 | creeperz | Apple sells mp3's for like $0.99/mp3 |
| 19:12.52 | prot-work | which is why you should get the most for your money |
| 19:12.55 | prot-work | buy mahler symphonies |
| 19:13.06 | creeperz | Buy MOTAB |
| 19:13.08 | creeperz | :-) |
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| 19:29.12 | creeperz | Hi |
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| 19:37.04 | learner | ducati6 |
| 19:38.33 | fiberchunks | ah, tequila sunrise ;) |
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| 19:49.47 | Tupone | captain_proton: |
| 19:54.03 | Tupone | captain_proton: are you there? |
| 19:54.27 | bryjen | prot-work: ^ |
| 20:04.57 | Tupone | I have remade fixes on installing-data. Now make distcheck work for me. Should you please so kind to check that. Ill send Yu a patch |
| 20:05.31 | prot-work | can you dcc the patch to 'captain_proton'? i can't dcc here but i have autorecieve turned on |
| 20:05.47 | Tupone | :k |
| 20:09.22 | Tupone | prot-work: Patch transferred. I understand that dist_ is not allowed on automake-1.4 so I choose another way |
| 20:11.55 | prot-work | Tupone: am1.4 has issues with $pkgdatadir |
| 20:12.10 | prot-work | specifically, $pkgdatadir = $datadir |
| 20:12.21 | prot-work | so it ends up splatting the data files directly into share instead of share/bzflag |
| 20:12.28 | prot-work | thats why i had to write the custom install hooks |
| 20:12.44 | Tupone | OK. Should you change that? |
| 20:13.07 | Tupone | prot-work: Can you rewrite with code similar to the one in l10n |
| 20:13.23 | prot-work | yes, i believe i can |
| 20:13.28 | Tupone | Or I do for you? |
| 20:13.31 | larsl | prot-work: $pkgdatadir has worked for me in other projects. |
| 20:13.45 | prot-work | larsl: i don't know why, but it doesn't work for me here |
| 20:14.05 | prot-work | $datadir/bzflag works everywhere :) |
| 20:14.12 | larsl | Yes. =) |
| 20:16.42 | Tupone | In the l10n directory I was not able to put automakelly data in /usr/local/share/bzflag/l10n, so I copied code from one Makefile.in, adapted |
| 20:17.22 | larsl | prot-work: What patchlevel do you have? I have 1.4-p6. |
| 20:27.46 | prot-work | p5 |
| 20:31.54 | Patlabor221 | cap is gentoo hard to install? I want to make my home machine not rh9. |
| 20:32.09 | prot-work | Patlabor221: gentoo is not for you |
| 20:32.14 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 20:32.16 | Patlabor221 | debian? |
| 20:32.20 | Patlabor221 | what would be for me? |
| 20:32.29 | prot-work | debian might be ok |
| 20:32.34 | prot-work | gentoo is just too...advanced :) |
| 20:32.41 | Patlabor221 | fiar nuf |
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| 20:32.54 | creeperz | Hi, Tim |
| 20:33.04 | Patlabor221 | rh9 just seems to uncucstomisable |
| 20:33.13 | prot-work | uncucstomisable? |
| 20:33.22 | Patlabor221 | un customisable |
| 20:33.30 | Patlabor221 | I can't make it do what I want |
| 20:34.08 | prot-work | uncucstomisable. (adj.) un-kuk-stom-ize-able. exibiting the extreme qualities of bustination. |
| 20:34.09 | Patlabor221 | and the whole "crash when make BZ thing" |
| 20:34.50 | Patlabor221 | I don't want to change asgard, cus its working, and there is no reason to mess with it |
| 20:34.59 | mmu_man | lol, even BeOS doesn't crash when I make :) |
| 20:35.10 | TimRiker | ~spell uncucstomisable |
| 20:35.12 | | possible spellings for uncucstomisable: inextensible |
| 20:35.12 | Noodlebot | you think i'm just a stupid bot. go ask ibot instead. |
| 20:35.18 | Patlabor221 | but I don't use the linux at home as much as I should cus rh9 seems to not work all that well |
| 20:35.37 | Patlabor221 | sometimes when I build BZ it restarts X :) |
| 20:35.42 | Patlabor221 | I'm guessing that's NOT good |
| 20:35.49 | prot-work | not usually |
| 20:36.03 | prot-work | these halfbreed computers are so weird |
| 20:36.41 | bryjen | i don't think i've ever crashed X with a non-X app... |
| 20:37.05 | Patlabor221 | yeah I thought it was wierd, since it was a compiler too |
| 20:37.59 | bryjen | Out of Memory perhaps? And the kernel went looking for a big memory users to kill ? |
| 20:38.10 | Patlabor221 | I have 512megs in it |
| 20:38.16 | bryjen | n/m |
| 20:38.23 | Patlabor221 | and it was just running X, IRC, and the compiler |
| 20:39.54 | bryjen | five hundred twelve megabytes of -- oh-muh-gawd -- RAM. *sigh* |
| 20:40.33 | Patlabor221 | yeah, other machine has a gig |
| 20:40.49 | Patlabor221 | or maybe gig and a half, I don't remember |
| 20:41.22 | bryjen | hopefully its memory works better ;) |
| 20:41.39 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 20:41.50 | Patlabor221 | yeah I wish my brain had DDR |
| 20:54.51 | prot-work | but its got twice the memory bandwidth of yoshi's, so 'sall good |
| 20:58.20 | scanline | :) |
| 20:58.32 | scanline | Best Buy was having a sale on PC2700 DDR |
| 20:58.43 | scanline | so my brother and I both doubled the memory in our machines |
| 21:04.30 | ak|ra | scanline: because of the "double" in the ddr ? :) |
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| 21:05.34 | scanline | >=) |
| 21:05.41 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: if your brain consists of ddr u could find the stuff very fast .. but u where limited in how _much_ u save :) |
| 21:05.53 | ak|ra | so i think the bionicfoo is it worth :)) |
| 21:06.11 | prot-work | ooh sexy |
| 21:06.16 | ak|ra | scanline: for jetstream u used python .. right? |
| 21:06.26 | scanline | ak|ra: python and C++ |
| 21:06.35 | ak|ra | scanline: what for what? |
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| 21:06.59 | ak|ra | scanline: any tried ruby? i am playing around with python at the moment .. very nice language |
| 21:07.01 | scanline | C++ for the game engine, python for the game-specific logic |
| 21:07.12 | scanline | ak|ra: I've been meaning to try ruby, but haven't gotten around to it |
| 21:07.31 | ak|ra | scanline: damn, then u could tell me pros and cons .) |
| 21:07.47 | scanline | well, either way python is definitely worth learning |
| 21:07.51 | scanline | great language, easy to learn |
| 21:08.16 | ak|ra | so is ruby it seems |
| 21:08.23 | scanline | brb.. with wasabi down, I need to stick its DVD drive back into yoshi so I can watch the animatrix DVD :) |
| 21:08.35 | ak|ra | startet this morning and now writing some gui stuff with fxruby |
| 21:11.51 | prot-work | yipes |
| 21:12.00 | prot-work | the projector repair guy went to go get a soldering iron :) |
| 21:12.18 | Patlabor221 | animatrix good |
| 21:12.34 | Patlabor221 | and that means "supermoves time" |
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| 21:15.14 | bryjen | Why do HDD adds always picture the drives ripped open so you can see the platters? |
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| 21:15.26 | bryjen | s/adds/ads |
| 21:15.57 | Patlabor221 | cus a gray box is booring. |
| 21:16.30 | JBDiGriz | and spinning copper is exciting to some people? |
| 21:16.52 | prot-work | moreso than a grey box |
| 21:17.15 | JBDiGriz | You would have loved the old 6 foot vertical disk drives! |
| 21:18.46 | Patlabor221 | it has more color at least |
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| 21:19.47 | JBDiGriz | Actually, I was glad that I wasn't close when those things were exciting. It seems one came apart spinning at about 2400 rpm. Bits of color all over the machine room for you! |
| 21:20.22 | Patlabor221 | ooooooo I could be realy evil with word censors :) |
| 21:20.37 | bryjen | I was just curious what the new serial ATA cables/connectors looked like, but I haven't found a picture that's not an mutilated drive |
| 21:20.52 | Patlabor221 | they are small |
| 21:21.01 | Patlabor221 | and quareish I think |
| 21:22.16 | scanline | and now to experience the glory of animatrix on a decent quality CRT! |
| 21:23.00 | Patlabor221 | just watch Beyond like 5 times |
| 21:23.19 | scanline | hmm, xine seems to have crashed at the little parental warning screen thingy |
| 21:23.45 | Patlabor221 | we had a PS2 do that |
| 21:23.49 | JBDiGriz | Linux won't play R rated movies without an adult present! :) |
| 21:25.30 | Nidhoggr | mmm... home made salmon salad |
| 21:26.10 | bryjen | hmmm http://www.serialata.org who'da thunk. |
| 21:28.17 | bryjen | grrrrr. M$ Orifice documents on the web. WTF are open formats like HTML for?!? Huh?!? grrrr. |
| 21:29.01 | Chestal | heh, isn't it XML in its newest incarnation :-) |
| 21:29.26 | bryjen | Whatever it is, it is _*NOT*_ Powerpoint |
| 21:30.02 | Patlabor221 | won't openoffice read those? |
| 21:30.04 | scanline | prot-work: screw TV out on wasabi, we just need a 38" monitor :) |
| 21:30.30 | bryjen | Patlabor221: probly. If I had that installed.... |
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| 21:31.19 | prot-work | scanline: haha |
| 21:31.26 | Chestal | bryjen: isn't file or identify able to see what it is? |
| 21:31.46 | prot-work | scanline: we should get 4 of the cubes used in the video wall |
| 21:31.51 | bryjen | It is http://www.serialata.org/news/presentations/SATA%20Naming%20for%20serialata.org.ppt |
| 21:31.52 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:31.54 | prot-work | (nevermind that they're something like $16k each) |
| 21:32.37 | Chestal | well, .ppt should be powerpoint |
| 21:32.45 | Patlabor221 | it is |
| 21:33.05 | Patlabor221 | hell there is even a free power point viewer, wonder if it works with wine |
| 21:35.32 | fiberchunks | bryjen> you got openoffice? |
| 21:35.37 | fiberchunks | it'll handle .ppt |
| 21:36.48 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 21:36.52 | Patlabor221 | it may be all animated an stuff |
| 21:36.55 | Patlabor221 | but you'll never know |
| 21:37.45 | larsl | bryjen: The file works in ooimpress. |
| 21:37.50 | larsl | It's only two slides though. |
| 21:38.05 | Patlabor221 | shhhhh lie to him and tell him it's like freaking great |
| 21:38.05 | fiberchunks | lol -- two slides -- wonder how big the file size is ;) |
| 21:38.23 | Patlabor221 | 94.5k |
| 21:38.32 | fiberchunks | phbbt |
| 21:38.38 | larsl | fiberchunks: 96768 bytes. =) |
| 21:38.52 | fiberchunks | just text? or are there pretty (read: useless) animations too? |
| 21:38.54 | bryjen | It's not really that important. Proprietary formats on the web just irritate me. |
| 21:39.00 | fiberchunks | *nod* |
| 21:39.26 | fiberchunks | proprietary formats in general sux0r |
| 21:40.02 | Patlabor221 | yeah that was lame for PPT |
| 21:40.13 | Patlabor221 | I'll bet they just did a presentation, and were REALY lazy |
| 21:40.25 | Patlabor221 | siggraph does that often too |
| 21:41.33 | Chestal | a few years ago, I received a nice mail as webmaster. The person sending the mail had some kind of error in the browser (IE). She sent me a .ppt file which just contained a screenshot. On the screenshot there was a dialog displaying the actual error. She could've typed it in, was only like 20 characters |
| 21:41.39 | Chestal | instead she sent this 3.5MB mail |
| 21:41.51 | Patlabor221 | damn |
| 21:42.02 | Tupone | prot-work: News on the install-data patch? |
| 21:42.04 | fiberchunks | what the hell ever happened to an outline, fer chrissakes :\ |
| 21:42.08 | Patlabor221 | I contend that humans are stupid |
| 21:42.13 | fiberchunks | that thing is lame -- nice colors tho |
| 21:42.19 | fiberchunks | :\ |
| 21:44.17 | bryjen | LOL. We've got users that do that. Save pictures inside of Word documents :( |
| 21:45.38 | Patlabor221 | as do we |
| 21:54.58 | Nidhoggr | I wonder if a map change would drive people from secretplace. |
| 21:56.00 | bryjen | what's running there now? |
| 21:56.23 | Nidhoggr | spirals |
| 21:56.38 | Nidhoggr | it's pretty popular, and people like it for the map. |
| 21:56.46 | Nidhoggr | I guess I just get bored too easily. :) |
| 21:57.17 | Nidhoggr | I suppose I could just throw experimental stuff/new stuff on dragon.org, but I'd like to keep it a 2 shot server. |
| 21:57.19 | bryjen | wide-open map + ten-shots = hosefest |
| 21:57.29 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 21:57.39 | Nidhoggr | that's why people like it ;) |
| 21:57.53 | Nidhoggr | I have basement on dragon.org right now. |
| 21:57.57 | Nidhoggr | which I love. |
| 21:58.01 | Nidhoggr | 2 shots.. makes it fun. |
| 21:58.19 | JBDiGriz | 1 shot builds character. |
| 21:58.45 | Nidhoggr | I'd go to 1 on dragon.org occasionally. |
| 21:58.47 | Patlabor221 | nid, doug was suposed to make you a lesslaggy map |
| 21:58.55 | Nidhoggr | why is it so lagg? |
| 21:58.58 | Nidhoggr | laggy? |
| 21:59.00 | Patlabor221 | it is the outside spirals that make it suck |
| 21:59.04 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 21:59.09 | Patlabor221 | those 4 spirals outside the map |
| 21:59.09 | Nidhoggr | that makes sense. |
| 21:59.12 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 21:59.17 | Patlabor221 | they ad like 200 boxes |
| 21:59.21 | Nidhoggr | wow. |
| 21:59.26 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:59.37 | Nidhoggr | it's not that complicated otherwise. |
| 21:59.42 | bryjen | 1-2 shots too much (not enough?) for this mere mortal. i like 3 maybe 4. |
| 21:59.45 | Patlabor221 | I got of a 2x speed increase by ditching them |
| 22:00.03 | Nidhoggr | wow |
| 22:00.06 | JBDiGriz | I suck at 1 shot, but I keep trying hoping to get more accurate! |
| 22:00.09 | Nidhoggr | definitely will do the update then. |
| 22:00.26 | Nidhoggr | I'm also waiting to restart so I can implement groups, etc. |
| 22:00.35 | Nidhoggr | still want a central server. |
| 22:00.39 | Patlabor221 | we tested it on a server on my dsl and it ruan fine when I pulled them ( at least till cap shot me like 500 times ) |
| 22:00.48 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221: How many elements are in that central spiral? |
| 22:00.50 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 22:01.01 | Patlabor221 | the centeral ones had less then the outer ones |
| 22:01.06 | Patlabor221 | I think they had like 10 |
| 22:01.08 | bryjen | And then there are those sadists that turn off jumping too ;) |
| 22:01.20 | Nidhoggr | jumping is important in basement. |
| 22:01.38 | JBDiGriz | I'll let learner comment on jumping tanks! :) |
| 22:01.43 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:03.03 | JBDiGriz | Someone put up a maze map with dozens of lasers, It took a while to come up with a strategy to survive! |
| 22:04.06 | learner | did I hear someone say jumping tanks... |
| 22:04.30 | learner | 50 ton tanks can't jump -- the idea is rediculous! |
| 22:04.35 | learner | ;) |
| 22:04.49 | Nidhoggr | it doesn't weigh 50 tons. it's virtual, so it has no weight. |
| 22:04.54 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:05.01 | JBDiGriz | That means the idea used to be diculous, now it's rediculous. |
| 22:05.14 | bryjen | meebee they're plastic |
| 22:05.27 | learner | mine weighs |
| 22:05.37 | bryjen | they also drive right thru each other. |
| 22:05.53 | learner | that's a bug :) |
| 22:06.59 | bryjen | an indication as to the amount of substance they have |
| 22:07.46 | JBDiGriz | Maybe they vibrate at the correct frequency to pass through each other, but not through walls? |
| 22:08.53 | JBDiGriz | At least not all the way through walls, floors are semi-permeable. |
| 22:09.01 | bryjen | Its all done with smoke and mirrors. Hmm smoke. Back to substances again... |
| 22:11.07 | JBDiGriz | Maybe we should redesign the client with lethal kangaroos? |
| 22:11.19 | bryjen | Jumping was probly easier to do than making the able to drive on inclines. Dem lazy codemonkeys again ;) |
| 22:12.20 | Nidhoggr | hrm.. kinda like tank girl |
| 22:12.24 | Nidhoggr | lethal kangaroos |
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| 22:16.11 | fiberchunks | what is it with clowns who think that posting something like rm -rf / in a user channel is amusing? |
| 22:16.31 | fiberchunks | or, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda |
| 22:16.46 | doughecka | lololol thats so funny :) |
| 22:16.59 | JBDiGriz | Don't let users have root privileges! |
| 22:17.17 | fiberchunks | no, it really isn't -- it's old, ancient, and could really screw up some poor n00bs install / effort to be linuxified |
| 22:17.46 | fiberchunks | and it pisses me off -- it was funny, i think in the early 80's, now it's just tired |
| 22:18.19 | JBDiGriz | Linux has to protect users from themselves. It's a pain, but it needs to be done for a consumer OS. |
| 22:18.49 | JBDiGriz | It was old and tired in the early 80's too. |
| 22:19.05 | fiberchunks | *nod*, but going to a channel with a valid help question, and then clowns retorting with the above is just retarded -- and harmful to the 'community' imho |
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| 22:19.51 | JBDiGriz | That's the problem with many communities, including the early bulletin boards, no way to authorize/validate information. |
| 22:20.51 | fiberchunks | well, if you just man rm -- you'd find out what it is, but if you're a total n00b -- it's just mean |
| 22:21.33 | JBDiGriz | man is useless for the consumer market. |
| 22:21.45 | fiberchunks | my point |
| 22:22.53 | JBDiGriz | I happen to like what Apple has done in removing root from Unix, although it still needs work. |
| 22:23.18 | fiberchunks | there is no root? what, is everything suid? |
| 22:23.45 | bryjen | the joe average user doesn't need to be at a command promt with root. His nice GUI tools should prompt him for the root password when they need it. |
| 22:24.10 | JBDiGriz | No root, although you can enable it. Admin privileges through an enabling API which prompts for his password ala sudo. |
| 22:24.11 | fiberchunks | concur, just don't know how apple handles that |
| 22:24.21 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 22:24.42 | JBDiGriz | There is a terminal program available in the utilities, but you have to look for it. |
| 22:24.56 | Tupone | cap: |
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| 22:28.34 | michaelh2 | why does my win2000 OEM come with *2* cds? |
| 22:29.03 | michaelh2 | one of them says Step by Step interactive? |
| 22:31.27 | bryjen | Step 1: Bend over |
| 22:33.17 | bryjen | The "media pack" for our open license was 3 CD + 1 w/diagnostics + 1 w/service pack |
| 22:33.25 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:34.03 | bryjen | I'm guessing its for langs other than English -- the 3 all say multilingual edition |
| 22:34.10 | michaelh2 | hard to run .net studio...... on linux |
| 22:34.49 | michaelh2 | it's some freaking training program |
| 22:35.09 | bryjen | This is were you will go today! |
| 22:35.33 | JBDiGriz | It's not where I wanted to go today! |
| 22:35.59 | michaelh2 | but hey.. I actually paid at least money for it..... |
| 22:36.02 | bryjen | JBDiGriz: Too bad! All ways are billg's ways! |
| 22:36.11 | fiberchunks | gun to head -- NO, you WILL go HERE TODAY! |
| 22:36.25 | michaelh2 | I could have "borrowed" a copy.... |
| 22:36.35 | fiberchunks | rather, should have ;) |
| 22:36.59 | michaelh2 | Now I just have a copy that I bought contrary to the terms of the EULA |
| 22:37.07 | JBDiGriz | bryjen: I live in a M$ free zone! ;) |
| 22:37.23 | michaelh2 | well some of us like to have jobs |
| 22:37.24 | michaelh2 | :) |
| 22:37.26 | bryjen | If you bought an OEM with any E, its still not right. |
| 22:37.27 | fiberchunks | JBDiGriz> ditto that |
| 22:37.46 | michaelh2 | isn't that what I just said? |
| 22:37.50 | [dmp] | ~ducati6 |
| 22:37.58 | bryjen | Ooops. |
| 22:38.09 | michaelh2 | with any *E* ? |
| 22:38.12 | JBDiGriz | Right now, I just killed Linux mounting an embedded Linux machine, and they're paying me for it. I like my jobs too! |
| 22:38.22 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 22:38.25 | bryjen | Origional Equipment Manufacturer. no Equipment |
| 22:38.39 | bryjen | as in not bundled with a PC |
| 22:38.48 | michaelh2 | Well I bought an incompatible sdram.......... with it and returned it later :) |
| 22:39.03 | bryjen | Allllrighty then :) |
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| 22:39.20 | michaelh2 | Isn't supposed to be a hard drive basically? What's up with the any piece of hardware thing |
| 22:39.47 | michaelh2 | or a cpu? |
| 22:39.51 | bryjen | I thought it was _supposed_ to be a PC. |
| 22:40.03 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 22:40.31 | michaelh2 | hey pat you were right about the memory....... no one in town has the right stuff |
| 22:40.36 | bryjen | 'cause they made a big deal about not allowing unbundling -- selling the PC or license later as seperate things |
| 22:40.51 | michaelh2 | 16 chip 256mb read as 128 :) |
| 22:41.30 | JBDiGriz | RH8 doesn't like mounting and unmount USB disks! |
| 22:41.48 | michaelh2 | crucial has some online ordering thingee -- *supposed* to find the right stuff .. we'll see if they do |
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| 22:44.20 | michaelh2 | bzgirl lives again! |
| 22:44.27 | bzgirl | finally :) |
| 22:44.32 | bzgirl | hat to beet her off |
| 22:44.39 | bzgirl | boot* |
| 22:44.43 | JBDiGriz | ?!?!?!?! :) |
| 22:44.51 | bzgirl | oh my :) |
| 22:45.00 | bryjen | Oooooooo |
| 22:45.00 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 22:45.21 | bzgirl | anyway....:) |
| 22:45.23 | bryjen | coulda been worse |
| 22:45.30 | JBDiGriz | Why did bzgirl's nick just turn incredibly red on my monitor? |
| 22:45.50 | bzgirl | must learn to spell |
| 22:46.00 | fiberchunks | freudian slip ;) |
| 22:46.01 | bryjen | and type |
| 22:47.30 | bryjen | Tsk, tsk. Assaulting people with vegetables. And she seemed like such a nice girl ;) |
| 22:47.33 | bzgirl | you guys continue chatting...im the silent type from now on |
| 22:47.51 | fiberchunks | hehe |
| 22:47.59 | fiberchunks | sulking? ;) |
| 22:48.10 | bzgirl | nah :) |
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| 23:12.37 | Patlabor221 | spelling is overrated |
| 23:13.26 | prot-work | yay for deep freeze |
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| 23:21.15 | Tupone | captain_proton: Hi |
| 23:24.03 | doughecka | gentoo |
| 23:24.04 | doughecka | :P |
| 23:24.21 | Patlabor221 | cap did not recomed gentoo for me, I trust him on that |
| 23:24.33 | Patlabor221 | what is the dif between all the debians? |
| 23:24.40 | doughecka | stability |
| 23:24.40 | doughecka | :P |
| 23:24.56 | Patlabor221 | please doug, I am trying to be serious |
| 23:25.09 | Patlabor221 | what what is SID, and wooddy and potato? |
| 23:25.21 | doughecka | really, they have stable, and they have unstable, and older |
| 23:25.47 | Patlabor221 | what what is what? |
| 23:25.54 | Patlabor221 | and how stable is "stable"? |
| 23:26.24 | doughecka | that, is a good question :) |
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| 23:28.20 | doughecka | 3 versions... stable, unstable, and testing |
| 23:28.32 | Patlabor221 | I coudl just slap 98 on the thing and do ziplin |
| 23:28.34 | doughecka | stable is the latest release |
| 23:28.49 | Patlabor221 | I know what they mean doug |
| 23:28.52 | doughecka | oh |
| 23:28.55 | doughecka | ziplin? |
| 23:28.59 | doughecka | sounds.... slow |
| 23:29.00 | doughecka | :) |
| 23:29.05 | larsl | Ick, I accidentally turned off flags on radar. |
| 23:29.11 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:29.15 | larsl | Took forever to find the key that turned them back on. =P |
| 23:29.15 | Patlabor221 | all I REALY need is gcc and the automake stuff |
| 23:29.29 | doughecka | knoppix might do it |
| 23:29.39 | doughecka | I think it includes GCC |
| 23:29.39 | Patlabor221 | larsl do you have any linux recomendations? |
| 23:30.03 | larsl | I've only used Mandrake lately, it has worked fine. |
| 23:30.03 | Patlabor221 | doug I'd like info from somone who USES the os, not just plays with it. |
| 23:30.15 | Patlabor221 | was it hard to install? |
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| 23:30.26 | larsl | It's insanely easy to install. =) |
| 23:30.36 | Patlabor221 | that sounds rather easy |
| 23:30.45 | Patlabor221 | RH9 was easy, but it seems buggy and funky |
| 23:30.56 | doughecka | insanely, hm |
| 23:30.56 | larsl | Mandrake 9.1 is pretty stable. |
| 23:31.22 | Patlabor221 | debian has the cool swirl logo thingy tho |
| 23:31.41 | larsl | Yes, they do have that. |
| 23:32.00 | doughecka | yah, thats one of the top things to consider |
| 23:32.08 | doughecka | better logo = better dist :) |
| 23:32.17 | prot-work | ~sud |
| 23:32.17 | | shut up doug |
| 23:32.31 | Patlabor221 | with the way everyone has them spread out, I don't think that any one is realy that much "better" then any other |
| 23:32.32 | prot-work | why is he still here? |
| 23:32.48 | Patlabor221 | if it was that much of a dif I think one would be more popular |
| 23:33.17 | scanline | gentoo's pac-man could eat mandrake's.... wait, does mandrake have a logo? |
| 23:33.37 | JBDiGriz | I prefer Chuck as a logo, but that's dealing with a lot of history. |
| 23:33.39 | Patlabor221 | pacman is cool, but I fear the source distro |
| 23:34.01 | larsl | They have that star thing. |
| 23:34.04 | doughecka | scanline: a star and a line thingy |
| 23:37.19 | Patlabor221 | I am reading the debian install now |
| 23:37.25 | Patlabor221 | it has that apt-get thing right? |
| 23:38.16 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> honestly, if you want a good distro, that only grabs what you want, you may wanna look into gentoo |
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| 23:39.13 | Nidhoggr | ummmm bug in admin stuff |
| 23:39.15 | Patlabor221 | I want one that I can install, that lets me configure X how I want, and makes it easy to add stuff |
| 23:39.16 | larsl | I think you can select or unselect individual packages on most distros. |
| 23:39.19 | Nidhoggr | it didn't write my user file. |
| 23:39.32 | Nidhoggr | and I quit with a /shutdownserver |
| 23:39.41 | Patlabor221 | you specified -userdb in the command line? |
| 23:39.48 | Nidhoggr | in the conf file. |
| 23:39.51 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 23:40.01 | Patlabor221 | and when it launched did it say it was using the database? |
| 23:40.09 | fiberchunks | gentoo allows all that Patlabor221 |
| 23:40.21 | Nidhoggr | it didn't say. |
| 23:40.21 | Patlabor221 | will I be able to install it? |
| 23:40.30 | Patlabor221 | hmm |
| 23:40.38 | Patlabor221 | I can look at it when I get home |
| 23:40.38 | fiberchunks | yeah, the install guide is superior, in my opinion, to all the other distros |
| 23:40.48 | learner | ~slashdot |
| 23:40.49 | Patlabor221 | didn't it take you like a week to compile? |
| 23:40.50 | larsl | You need a guide? =) |
| 23:40.55 | Nidhoggr | [root@tiamat bzflag]# grep userdb conf/basement.cf |
| 23:40.55 | Nidhoggr | -userdb dragon.users |
| 23:41.18 | Patlabor221 | and it has permisions to create a file in it's working dir? |
| 23:41.22 | fiberchunks | nah, only took me about 1 day to get it fully functional -- compiled with X fluxbox, apache, etc, after getting my head together |
| 23:41.32 | Patlabor221 | I want KDE |
| 23:41.41 | Patlabor221 | and I never get my head togeterh |
| 23:41.42 | Nidhoggr | hrm... it might be permissions.. let me tweak. |
| 23:41.56 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> so emerge kde problem solved |
| 23:42.01 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 23:42.08 | Patlabor221 | I don't know these things this is why I ask |
| 23:42.15 | Patlabor221 | I just know that I don't like RH9 |
| 23:42.21 | Patlabor221 | RH8 is working fine as a server |
| 23:42.25 | Patlabor221 | but 9 is wierd |
| 23:42.31 | Patlabor221 | it's been "stupified" |
| 23:42.33 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> the point is, is that I was fearful of it too, coming from mandrake, but if you read the install doc, it really isn't that difficult -- you do, however, have to think more than with RH or mandrake |
| 23:42.56 | Patlabor221 | I think I can think |
| 23:43.01 | Patlabor221 | does it boot of a CD? |
| 23:43.08 | Patlabor221 | cus none of my systems have flopies |
| 23:43.10 | JBDiGriz | I think therefore I am. |
| 23:43.17 | fiberchunks | and once you do get to know the details of it -- the package management is superior, and the beauty of it is compiling everything for your architecture, and only that which you need, no more |
| 23:43.32 | fiberchunks | yeah, download the liveCD iso, burn it, boot and go |
| 23:43.33 | Nidhoggr | is there a way to make it write the files without shutting down server? |
| 23:43.37 | Patlabor221 | but I want it ALL :) |
| 23:43.47 | fiberchunks | hehehe, then emerge it ALL ;) |
| 23:43.49 | Patlabor221 | it writes them everytime they chage |
| 23:43.58 | Patlabor221 | every user that is added |
| 23:44.05 | Patlabor221 | every perm that is changes |
| 23:44.07 | Patlabor221 | ect.. |
| 23:44.16 | Nidhoggr | cool.. there it goes. |
| 23:44.22 | fiberchunks | I would, however, recommend writing down all the modules that RH has on that system, and making note of them for kernel compiling reference |
| 23:44.36 | Patlabor221 | I'm wiping the machine |
| 23:45.21 | Patlabor221 | I don't even know how to find the modules that are installed in RH |
| 23:45.36 | fiberchunks | su ; lsmod |
| 23:46.08 | fiberchunks | and also, save your /usr/src/linux/.config file somewhere safe |
| 23:46.21 | fiberchunks | also for kernel compiling reference |
| 23:46.43 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.21 | fiberchunks | dunno, I think with your intelligence you'd be fine with it -- it's more 'hands on' than RH, or Mandrake, or Debian, but I think it's much nicer |
| 23:47.24 | scanline | gentoo tosses the linux learning curve at you right away while redhat and mandrake let you hold out with your windowsy ways for longer |
| 23:47.38 | fiberchunks | yup |
| 23:47.52 | scanline | so... if you can get gentoo installed, it's probably great for you :) |
| 23:47.54 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm I like my windowsy ways |
| 23:48.04 | fiberchunks | then stick with redhat :) |
| 23:48.13 | Patlabor221 | naw redhat is lamer then windows |
| 23:48.18 | Patlabor221 | at least 9 is |
| 23:48.20 | fiberchunks | and the gentoo install docs are great for n00bs |
| 23:48.25 | fiberchunks | really explicit |
| 23:48.48 | scanline | yeah... redhat and mandrake just give you pointy-clicky-doodads for configuring and never teach you what really goes on, whereas gentoo teaches you right away |
| 23:48.58 | fiberchunks | the only tricky parts are getting your head around what kernel modules / compiliation options you need, and how to install packages (or really, what packages are called in gentoo-speak) |
| 23:49.45 | Patlabor221 | Rh9 would not let me make more pointy clicky thinkys |
| 23:49.48 | fiberchunks | ^^^^^ sign of a windows lover ;) |
| 23:49.55 | Patlabor221 | I like the mac too :) |
| 23:50.02 | Patlabor221 | it has a lot more pointy clicky thingys |
| 23:50.07 | larsl | Except for the installer, of course. I really don't care about most things I'd have to know to do that manually. |
| 23:50.08 | fiberchunks | lol -- just to illustrate the point ;) |
| 23:50.20 | Patlabor221 | look at a how bad I type? you think I want to use the commadn line unless I don't have to? |
| 23:50.28 | fiberchunks | lol! |
| 23:50.44 | fiberchunks | which machine are you thinking about wiping? asgard? |
| 23:50.47 | Patlabor221 | and it's not a practice thing, I'm a freakin progrmaer |
| 23:50.58 | Patlabor221 | no, moljenor at home |
| 23:51.01 | Patlabor221 | asgard works |
| 23:51.03 | bzgirl | at least you can spell |
| 23:51.05 | fiberchunks | ah, phew ;) |
| 23:51.06 | Patlabor221 | asgard gets no tuched |
| 23:51.23 | fiberchunks | bzgirl> hrm? read the last 4 sentences ;) |
| 23:51.24 | Patlabor221 | no I can BZG, I just hit backspace A LOT :) |
| 23:51.32 | fiberchunks | hehehe |
| 23:51.34 | Patlabor221 | see I can't even spell cat |
| 23:51.36 | Patlabor221 | can't |
| 23:51.38 | Patlabor221 | gawd |
| 23:51.41 | fiberchunks | ROFL! |
| 23:51.41 | bzgirl | lol |
| 23:51.58 | bzgirl | fiberchunks: i meant pat, i know you cant spell either |
| 23:52.02 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221: Why don't you install Darwin if you like Macs too? :) |
| 23:52.14 | Tupone | ~lol |
| 23:52.15 | | from memory, lol is a acronym that stands for Laugh Out Loud. Go to http://mankindvsme.50megs.com/windowsfan.html for more information. |
| 23:52.24 | Patlabor221 | cus I liked MacOS 9 |
| 23:53.07 | JBDiGriz | You obviously aren't a systems programmer. :P |
| 23:53.08 | learner | lol, Tupone |
| 23:53.16 | bzgirl | Tupone: ! |
| 23:53.19 | Tupone | Yes |
| 23:53.27 | Patlabor221 | fiber, I hope I never have to install anything on asgard again, the current hardware should hold it for a while. |
| 23:53.36 | Tupone | :))))) |
| 23:53.37 | fiberchunks | me too |
| 23:53.45 | bzgirl | your link crashed mozilla :( |
| 23:53.47 | Patlabor221 | and it has RH8 |
| 23:54.13 | Patlabor221 | RH8 I didn't mind |
| 23:54.14 | fiberchunks | if the sys you're planning on diddling with is not mission critical or anything, try out gentoo first -- just read the docs on gentoo.org -- there's tons of em -- but they're really well written |
| 23:54.19 | Patlabor221 | 9 seems rushed |
| 23:54.48 | Patlabor221 | rh9 also can't build BZ |
| 23:54.48 | fiberchunks | I felt that way about mdk 9.1 -- that's why I switched -- plus I was tired of dependency hell |
| 23:54.58 | Nidhoggr | 9 matched their need for cash |
| 23:55.10 | Nidhoggr | in other words "release it NOW, we need the dough!" |
| 23:55.16 | fiberchunks | yup |
| 23:55.25 | JBDiGriz | Has anyone tried building BZ on Darwin? |
| 23:55.27 | Patlabor221 | is apt-get simialr to the emerge thing? |
| 23:55.32 | fiberchunks | quite |
| 23:55.49 | fiberchunks | same general idea -- but emerge is more based off of bsd's ports system |
| 23:55.55 | bzgirl | but simpler to learn i think |
| 23:56.03 | fiberchunks | handles dependencies infinitely better than rpms do |
| 23:56.27 | fiberchunks | bzgirl> well, in my brief experience to emerge -- it is _really_ easy to use |
| 23:56.53 | JBDiGriz | The ports system is easy to use, just switch to the directory and type 'make' |
| 23:56.53 | bzgirl | fiberchunks: arnet you a linux maven though? |
| 23:56.54 | fiberchunks | and I have very little personal experience with apt-get |
| 23:57.01 | learner | Yes, I have jb.. :P hehehehe |
| 23:57.40 | fiberchunks | bzgirl> hrm? I love it yes -- never really got into debian -- installed it and fiddled with it for about 6 months a couple years ago -- but switched to mandrake for unknown reasons ;) |
| 23:57.57 | JBDiGriz | learner: Darwin without the Apple enhancements, but you knew that! :P |
| 23:58.17 | learner | :) |
| 23:58.18 | fiberchunks | gentoo allows me to fiddle with the uber-new packages (the unstable one), and I prefer that over a rock-solid system |
| 23:58.33 | Patlabor221 | well I have some harware didlin to do tonight first, and a bed to disasemple but I will start downloadin both |
