| 00:01.20 | Noodleman | it's better than ME |
| 00:01.35 | Patlabor221 | ME is evil |
| 00:01.38 | creeperz | Much |
| 00:02.10 | Patlabor221 | but XP is still evil |
| 00:02.22 | creeperz | You have it |
| 00:02.26 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:02.59 | creeperz | 3/4 of the people of #windows had it :-) |
| 00:03.10 | Patlabor221 | they are stupid |
| 00:03.11 | creeperz | Of course, there's only 4 people in #Windows |
| 00:06.25 | TimRiker | ~nslookup www.dtek.chalmers.se |
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| 00:50.51 | captain_proton | TimRiker: i don't suppose there's any ETA on HEAD? |
| 00:50.52 | captain_proton | :P |
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| 01:08.19 | Noodleman | TimRiker: what commands do you use to compile the debian package? |
| 01:13.32 | bzgirl | debian/buildsnap cvs |
| 01:13.40 | TimRiker | debian/buildsnap cvs;install, test....;vi debian/changelog;debian/buildsnap release;debsign;dupload ../bzflag_...changes |
| 01:15.17 | Noodleman | ok. thx |
| 01:15.24 | captain_proton | har |
| 01:15.30 | captain_proton | tomorrow wasabi will record flash gordon =) |
| 01:16.33 | CIA | commit by timriker: a bit more verbose |
| 01:18.39 | captain_proton | i'll verbose you! |
| 01:18.44 | captain_proton | er |
| 01:19.37 | learnerAtWork | am I the only one that notices that the tanks render incorrectly on the sides? |
| 01:19.45 | learnerAtWork | or is this a known issue? |
| 01:19.47 | captain_proton | learnerAtWork: can you screenshot it? |
| 01:19.52 | captain_proton | there's a known issue with rendering tanks on windows |
| 01:19.58 | learnerAtWork | sure, cap |
| 01:20.31 | learnerAtWork | I parsed the opengl calls into separate triangle data |
| 01:20.34 | learnerAtWork | last week |
| 01:20.45 | captain_proton | eek |
| 01:20.48 | learnerAtWork | the sides are hosed on the high-quality model at least |
| 01:21.27 | captain_proton | hm |
| 01:21.34 | captain_proton | there are some weird things, like how the model isn't closed |
| 01:21.46 | learnerAtWork | I imported them into my cad software as unoriented triangles, and they clearly have issues |
| 01:22.03 | learnerAtWork | how were they generated? |
| 01:22.43 | captain_proton | i have no idea |
| 01:22.47 | captain_proton | before my time |
| 01:22.53 | learnerAtWork | ah |
| 01:23.26 | learnerAtWork | I want to raytrace the tank, so I'll see if I can figure out what, specifically, is bogus |
| 01:23.46 | learnerAtWork | maybe next week |
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| 01:24.54 | captain_proton | ah |
| 01:24.59 | captain_proton | here's the man to ask about tanks :) |
| 01:25.13 | learnerAtWork | hey pat... |
| 01:25.22 | Patlabor221 | 120mm shell works best |
| 01:25.32 | Patlabor221 | depleted uranium tungsten core |
| 01:25.42 | Patlabor221 | what up |
| 01:25.44 | learnerAtWork | mmm.. yes, good stuff |
| 01:26.05 | learnerAtWork | I was commenting/asking about the opengl datasets for the tanks.. |
| 01:26.14 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 01:26.15 | learnerAtWork | how were they generated? |
| 01:26.20 | Patlabor221 | by hand |
| 01:26.32 | Patlabor221 | I will be replacing them |
| 01:26.37 | Patlabor221 | with the model class |
| 01:26.39 | learnerAtWork | the tanks appear to have bad data on the sides, at least for the high-quality model |
| 01:26.47 | Patlabor221 | yes they do |
| 01:26.56 | Patlabor221 | they are missing all kinds of data |
| 01:26.58 | learnerAtWork | ah, so it is quite well known |
| 01:27.27 | learnerAtWork | I parsed the opengl down to individual triangles, and imported into a cad program I work with |
| 01:27.33 | learnerAtWork | kinda funny |
| 01:27.56 | Patlabor221 | ohh you should have just asked me, I made an app that dumps them as an obj file |
| 01:28.05 | Patlabor221 | heck the obj file is posted on bzbb :) |
| 01:28.30 | learnerAtWork | obj format is ?? not ringing a bell |
| 01:28.37 | Patlabor221 | wavefront |
| 01:28.41 | learnerAtWork | ah! ok |
| 01:28.51 | learnerAtWork | always hated that extension |
| 01:28.54 | Patlabor221 | the UVs for the tanks are wierd |
| 01:28.56 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 01:28.58 | learnerAtWork | .. |
| 01:29.03 | learnerAtWork | so generic |
| 01:29.17 | Patlabor221 | it's a very generic format :) |
| 01:29.35 | captain_proton | seems like 3d models are a pretty generic medium |
| 01:29.36 | learnerAtWork | anyways, even as unoriented triangles with no normals specified, the points are wrong |
| 01:30.02 | learnerAtWork | triangles are pretty generic, the models aren't necessarily... |
| 01:30.19 | Patlabor221 | there are a number of formats that will work for our needs |
| 01:30.26 | Patlabor221 | CAnimModel reads them all |
| 01:30.30 | learnerAtWork | nff is simple too |
| 01:30.34 | learnerAtWork | as well as stl |
| 01:30.35 | Patlabor221 | define wrong |
| 01:30.43 | Patlabor221 | stl dosn't hold textures |
| 01:30.58 | Patlabor221 | and stl won't do strips and fans |
| 01:31.01 | learnerAtWork | yea, it's probably the most basic |
| 01:31.15 | Patlabor221 | nope raw is the most basic |
| 01:31.23 | Patlabor221 | just vert vert vert |
| 01:31.31 | learnerAtWork | well, yes.. that's what I parsed it down to.. :) |
| 01:31.40 | Patlabor221 | stl also only has face normals not vertex normals |
| 01:31.58 | learnerAtWork | I'm not putting in a vote for stl -- think it sucks |
| 01:32.15 | learnerAtWork | I prefer basic primitives and csg any day |
| 01:32.28 | Patlabor221 | prims are not eficent for games |
| 01:32.39 | Patlabor221 | what one? |
| 01:32.47 | learnerAtWork | rather not say here.. |
| 01:33.00 | Patlabor221 | umm ok |
| 01:33.07 | Patlabor221 | pm me or smething |
| 01:33.11 | learnerAtWork | prims could get parsed into triangle datasets at load time |
| 01:33.28 | Patlabor221 | yes but CSG operations are not allways optimal |
| 01:33.40 | Patlabor221 | you waste a lot of time making a kick ass teselator |
| 01:33.42 | Patlabor221 | it's overkill |
| 01:34.16 | learnerAtWork | true, probably too much for a game |
| 01:34.30 | learnerAtWork | still what I'd prefer for expression |
| 01:34.40 | Patlabor221 | I wanted to use our parasolid stuff for a modeler |
| 01:34.51 | captain_proton | i was so upset to see him eating peas with a knife i dropped a whole handful of mashed potatoes |
| 01:35.15 | TimRiker | brb |
| 01:35.24 | Patlabor221 | now what do you mean that the points are wrong? |
| 01:35.30 | Patlabor221 | there are faces missing |
| 01:35.41 | Patlabor221 | and it's not symetrical |
| 01:35.51 | Patlabor221 | but the points are where they are |
| 01:36.01 | Patlabor221 | I don't think there are any devenerates |
| 01:36.01 | Patlabor221 | sorry degenerates |
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| 01:38.11 | Patlabor221 | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/download.php?id=9 that is the raw tank model |
| 01:38.18 | Patlabor221 | for hiTank |
| 01:38.32 | learnerAtWork | hmmm .. I'll see if I can make a screenshot sometime pat, to show what I'm seeing |
| 01:39.45 | Patlabor221 | obj is a nice format cus it will hold everthing but animations |
| 01:39.52 | learnerAtWork | I "might" have expanded the glfan incorrectly, or perhaps the gaps caused me to double up vertex points incorrectly |
| 01:40.07 | learnerAtWork | the sides were the only issue |
| 01:40.45 | learnerAtWork | thx for the link.. I'll see how it compares/fairs |
| 01:42.20 | Patlabor221 | the sides are missing polys yes |
| 01:43.26 | learnerAtWork | do you know which model the existing tank is based off of? |
| 01:43.31 | Patlabor221 | it's not |
| 01:43.36 | Patlabor221 | was done by hand by a guy |
| 01:43.37 | learnerAtWork | heheh |
| 01:43.46 | learnerAtWork | it's looks kinda like one |
| 01:43.49 | Patlabor221 | just kinda genereisesd it iirc |
| 01:44.09 | learnerAtWork | forget the model type, I'll have to take a picture and show it.. :) |
| 01:44.35 | Patlabor221 | I could just replace it with this. |
| 01:44.35 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/hover1.jpg |
| 01:44.41 | captain_proton | muhar! |
| 01:45.01 | Patlabor221 | tho it's too fat |
| 01:45.13 | learnerAtWork | heh, cool model |
| 01:45.25 | learnerAtWork | now that I might believe could jump... |
| 01:45.42 | learnerAtWork | has a hint of "hovercraft" to it |
| 01:46.17 | Patlabor221 | or this one |
| 01:46.17 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/minitank.jpg |
| 01:46.31 | Patlabor221 | that was the plan stan :) |
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| 01:47.13 | learnerAtWork | hmmm, not as much a fan, though it's neat |
| 01:47.26 | Patlabor221 | was just screwin around |
| 01:48.02 | learnerAtWork | the antenna arrays and "balls" on the back are funky.. hehehe |
| 01:48.35 | learnerAtWork | it's look like the old "skeeter" tank (sherman class, I think) otherwise |
| 01:49.15 | Patlabor221 | the credits say who made it |
| 01:49.40 | Patlabor221 | I want to redo it and up the poly count |
| 01:49.46 | learnerAtWork | what credits? |
| 01:49.58 | Patlabor221 | for BZFlag |
| 01:50.00 | captain_proton | up is not a verb, damnit |
| 01:50.14 | Patlabor221 | shudddap |
| 01:50.21 | Patlabor221 | that's a verb :) |
| 01:50.26 | captain_proton | =) |
| 01:50.27 | learnerAtWork | lol, cap ... shud up? :) |
| 01:50.54 | Patlabor221 | cohen is a friend of chris' from cornell who made the tank models |
| 01:51.03 | Patlabor221 | that's waht is says in authors |
| 01:51.41 | Patlabor221 | i'm just in the "are people Chris does not know that contributed |
| 01:51.41 | Patlabor221 | code to 1.7 |
| 01:51.43 | Patlabor221 | part |
| 01:52.06 | learnerAtWork | heh |
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| 01:53.48 | Patlabor221 | this is probalby my cleanest model to date |
| 01:53.48 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/IMAGES/Mk4.1.png |
| 01:55.03 | Patlabor221 | its the curent one in the line of these |
| 01:55.04 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/Screamers/Pod.png |
| 01:55.14 | learnerAtWork | http://www.arl.hpc.mil/PET/cta/cea/emcc/software/xpatch/ap_xpatch_3.gif |
| 01:55.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah tht would take min/frame :) |
| 01:55.56 | Patlabor221 | and that won't jump |
| 01:56.05 | learnerAtWork | hehehhehe :) |
| 01:56.55 | Patlabor221 | tho once model loading is in you would be welcome to put that in. |
| 01:57.18 | learnerAtWork | so is there a description of model loading anywhere? |
| 01:57.39 | learnerAtWork | besides in your head... :) |
| 01:58.09 | Patlabor221 | it's not in the cvs code |
| 01:58.22 | Patlabor221 | I used the class to make my GMMissile class |
| 01:58.47 | Patlabor221 | once we get to 1.9 it is one thing I want to do |
| 01:58.58 | Patlabor221 | tho I will have to uglify the class |
| 01:59.22 | Patlabor221 | and move the OSfile stuff into platform, or use bzdb |
| 02:00.00 | learnerAtWork | so... what you're saying is it's NOT documented anywhere.. |
| 02:00.05 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 02:00.38 | Patlabor221 | there is code |
| 02:00.40 | Patlabor221 | in a patch |
| 02:00.49 | learnerAtWork | code is good enough for me |
| 02:00.52 | Patlabor221 | but it's never been part of the ofical BZ thing, so no it's not doced |
| 02:01.19 | learnerAtWork | here's a more simple model.. http://www.dote.osd.mil/lfte/articles/Deitz/PAUL3.gif |
| 02:01.28 | Patlabor221 | there is a newer version of the classes used in scremers if you want to look at it. |
| 02:01.42 | learnerAtWork | I do, but not yet |
| 02:01.51 | Patlabor221 | that is an ugly one |
| 02:01.52 | learnerAtWork | have to finish a bunch of server mods first |
| 02:01.57 | learnerAtWork | hehe, it is |
| 02:02.36 | learnerAtWork | it's an armored gun system |
| 02:02.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah I plan on making the tank, GM, teleporter, flag all real 3d models |
| 02:02.55 | Patlabor221 | and allowing a per player model choice |
| 02:03.02 | learnerAtWork | all the yellow is additional armor.. nasty "hack" |
| 02:03.20 | learnerAtWork | that would be cool |
| 02:03.24 | Patlabor221 | texture loading needs to be redone too to allow for multiple "skins" |
| 02:03.39 | learnerAtWork | it would be neat to do what they had in subspace |
| 02:03.48 | Patlabor221 | what staking? |
| 02:04.10 | learnerAtWork | "warship" tanks that move faster and shoot average |
| 02:04.19 | Patlabor221 | that's a major game change |
| 02:04.24 | learnerAtWork | "carrier" tanks that move faster but are armor beasts.. |
| 02:04.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:04.33 | learnerAtWork | :) yes, but was way cool. |
| 02:04.43 | Patlabor221 | but that requires more then one hit to doe |
| 02:04.44 | Patlabor221 | die |
| 02:04.46 | learnerAtWork | er, would be way cool.. :) |
| 02:04.51 | Patlabor221 | you need to read the screamer spec |
| 02:05.00 | Patlabor221 | cus that's more like what it is. |
| 02:05.05 | learnerAtWork | I need to read a lot of things.. |
| 02:05.11 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 02:06.33 | Patlabor221 | tho I think before any of the model changes and stuff are put in, the system needs a reorg of what is there |
| 02:06.38 | Patlabor221 | get it cleaned up |
| 02:06.50 | Patlabor221 | makes the changes have less chance of making spegetii |
| 02:07.06 | learnerAtWork | true |
| 02:07.09 | learnerAtWork | always true |
| 02:07.29 | learnerAtWork | glad I don't know the code base well enough to care yet.. :) |
| 02:07.33 | Patlabor221 | cus like do you know where the textures are loaded for the shots? |
| 02:08.07 | learnerAtWork | I assume during start-up, given the blather |
| 02:08.16 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 02:08.19 | Patlabor221 | but in what fucntion |
| 02:08.35 | learnerAtWork | hehe, one of those that come after main() ;) |
| 02:08.42 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 02:09.04 | learnerAtWork | I've purposely stayed out of the main client code to date |
| 02:09.07 | Patlabor221 | they are loaded in a method of the "shotstrat" class |
| 02:09.14 | Patlabor221 | not even a real method |
| 02:09.22 | Patlabor221 | it's not called from an instance of an object |
| 02:09.24 | learnerAtWork | only have payed attention to the server and osx bits |
| 02:09.26 | Patlabor221 | it's just called directly |
| 02:09.44 | learnerAtWork | ah |
| 02:09.49 | Patlabor221 | it's horible |
| 02:09.56 | learnerAtWork | So there's no model class? |
| 02:10.02 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 02:10.09 | Patlabor221 | why do you think the tank is a .c file |
| 02:10.13 | learnerAtWork | ew, I don't think I need to hear this... |
| 02:10.31 | Patlabor221 | grapihics calls are spread all over |
| 02:10.40 | learnerAtWork | blah blah blah la la la |
| 02:11.11 | learnerAtWork | heh |
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| 02:11.37 | learnerAtWork | did you win, girl? |
| 02:11.48 | Patlabor221 | every time I go in there I keep thinkin, "this will be easer if I just yank all the graphics stuff, stub it, then rewrite it" |
| 02:11.58 | bzgirl | learneratwork: wasnt playing |
| 02:12.07 | learnerAtWork | sure you werent, girl |
| 02:12.23 | learnerAtWork | pat, it probably would be.. |
| 02:12.27 | bzgirl | learneratwork: honest :) |
| 02:14.23 | Patlabor221 | why you allways gots to scare the ladys off? |
| 02:14.29 | learnerAtWork | guess she's off to play again.. :) |
| 02:16.53 | Patlabor221 | dirty bastard :) |
| 02:17.05 | captain_proton | hah |
| 02:17.11 | learnerAtWork | I'm not dirty :) |
| 02:17.20 | Patlabor221 | clean bastard. |
| 02:17.26 | learnerAtWork | heheh |
| 02:18.05 | Patlabor221 | I hope I can get the sound working |
| 02:19.14 | Patlabor221 | the apt-get stuff is prety cool |
| 02:20.26 | learnerAtWork | quite |
| 02:21.58 | Patlabor221 | hmmm 41 min, I could get thu a SG1 ep in that time |
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| 02:22.16 | Patlabor221 | cap I got season 3 |
| 02:22.19 | Patlabor221 | box set |
| 02:22.32 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 02:22.36 | captain_proton | you should rip em ;) |
| 02:22.47 | Patlabor221 | you have season 1 and 2 right? |
| 02:23.09 | learnerAtWork | simpsons? :) |
| 02:23.16 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 02:23.17 | Patlabor221 | sg1 |
| 02:23.18 | learnerAtWork | :( |
| 02:23.28 | learnerAtWork | Oo! |
| 02:23.32 | learnerAtWork | cool |
| 02:24.42 | Patlabor221 | I'll see about geting a dvd in asgard, then you can start the encoding via ssh, and get them right out to bfoj |
| 02:24.48 | Patlabor221 | and just tell me to change disks :) |
| 02:26.01 | captain_proton | haha |
| 02:26.29 | captain_proton | i'll eject the disk when i'm done ;-) |
| 02:26.43 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 02:31.12 | Patlabor221 | or I could rig up the mindsorm to get the next disk |
| 02:31.39 | CIA | commit by timriker: v1_7 to HEAD |
| 02:31.51 | Patlabor221 | nooooo way |
| 02:31.52 | captain_proton | ooooo? |
| 02:31.57 | breadhat | woo :) |
| 02:32.02 | Patlabor221 | that did just NOT happen |
| 02:32.06 | learnerAtWork | wooot! |
| 02:32.30 | Patlabor221 | release the pig!!!! |
| 02:32.44 | learnerAtWork | cause that baby's gonna fly! |
| 02:33.06 | Patlabor221 | no, he's just been cooped up way too long. it's kinda crule |
| 02:33.19 | captain_proton | cmon SF, get your mailing lists working |
| 02:33.37 | TimRiker | heh. it was still in progress when CIA announced it. ;-) |
| 02:33.54 | captain_proton | TimRiker: well, CIA -does- do it on the first 'commit' |
| 02:34.01 | TimRiker | ;-) |
| 02:34.14 | captain_proton | and since CVS sucks so much |
| 02:34.17 | captain_proton | ... =) |
| 02:34.33 | captain_proton | TimRiker: how did you do it? |
| 02:34.40 | Patlabor221 | cap does BZDB handle all resourcs? like textures and stuff? |
| 02:34.42 | captain_proton | ie. what about all the extra files that 1.8 has? |
| 02:34.48 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: naw |
| 02:34.57 | Patlabor221 | what does it handle? |
| 02:34.58 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: bzdb is basically a fancy name:value system |
| 02:35.07 | captain_proton | so - all configuration, etc |
| 02:35.07 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 02:35.11 | Patlabor221 | go tit |
| 02:35.15 | captain_proton | in 1.8 it also handled "game variables" |
| 02:35.16 | Patlabor221 | got it even :) |
| 02:35.23 | captain_proton | server would send gravity, etc |
| 02:35.40 | Patlabor221 | it shold send all sorts of world info |
| 02:35.50 | captain_proton | 1.8 had a very nifty MediaFile system |
| 02:35.51 | captain_proton | as well |
| 02:35.57 | TimRiker | cvs up -PdA should get you 1.7g3 |
| 02:37.21 | captain_proton | TimRiker: there are still some directory turds lying around |
| 02:37.28 | captain_proton | TimRiker: src/collision, src/mplatform, etc |
| 02:37.30 | learnerAtWork | where's the active dev point going to be now? on HEAD or on some 1.8 branch? |
| 02:37.38 | captain_proton | HEAD BABY! |
| 02:37.42 | captain_proton | *ahem* |
| 02:37.48 | learnerAtWork | lol |
| 02:38.01 | Patlabor221 | cap needs to get out more |
| 02:38.06 | captain_proton | hah |
| 02:38.16 | Patlabor221 | or ask one of the tennis girls out |
| 02:39.16 | TimRiker | captain_proton: you did do a -PdA yes? |
| 02:39.29 | captain_proton | TimRiker: i did a fresh checkout |
| 02:39.40 | TimRiker | hmm... /me goes to try that. |
| 02:41.34 | TimRiker | captain_proton: life sux... it's a CVSism. use a up -Pd to prune out the dirs |
| 02:42.02 | captain_proton | TimRiker: ah, much better |
| 02:43.32 | learnerAtWork | update -dP will also work |
| 02:43.36 | captain_proton | did you pull off 1.8 into a branch first? |
| 02:46.04 | captain_proton | so...can i start whittling down the patches list again? =) |
| 02:46.53 | captain_proton | TimRiker: there's a lot of useful code in there |
| 02:47.56 | TimRiker | yeah... I had a revision v1_8abort, and v1_8 branch maps to that. I doubt anyone will ever add to the "branch" so that's what I meant. |
| 02:48.05 | TimRiker | I do plan to look at it and pull bits out. |
| 02:48.21 | captain_proton | TimRiker: but you deleted a bunch of files |
| 02:48.23 | TimRiker | captain_proton: it's the single bullet theory. |
| 02:48.28 | captain_proton | and cvs rm sucks |
| 02:48.55 | TimRiker | captain_proton: from where? not from v1_8 ... do a cvs up -Pdr v1_8 and you get back to what was head. |
| 02:49.07 | captain_proton | hm |
| 02:49.50 | captain_proton | hey it does |
| 02:51.00 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 02:53.52 | captain_proton | so we're open for business again? ;-) |
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| 02:57.16 | Patlabor221 | where did boxwall.rgb go? |
| 02:57.31 | captain_proton | good question |
| 02:58.10 | TimRiker | hmm..... |
| 02:59.45 | TimRiker | there are some differences.... ugh. |
| 03:05.06 | Patlabor221 | gawd it is soo obvious what character they are gonna kill in the next harry potter book. |
| 03:05.37 | JBDiGriz | TimRiker: Did Cap'n mention that we updated the WorkInProgress wiki page on bzflag? |
| 03:06.44 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221: OK, let's start a pool, who are they going to kill off? |
| 03:07.14 | learnerAtWork | my money's on harry.. :) |
| 03:07.25 | learnerAtWork | well, one can hope |
| 03:07.34 | Patlabor221 | well I'm betting dumbledoor cus the actor was old |
| 03:07.40 | JBDiGriz | That would shorten the series considerably, and lose a lot of money. |
| 03:08.05 | Patlabor221 | she had do have taken some pressure from the film industry to do that. |
| 03:08.21 | Patlabor221 | and he would be the easyest one to kill off and not jack the story |
| 03:08.45 | JBDiGriz | I was thinking about Dumbledore, but he has to be taken out by Voldemort towards the end and then Harry gets revenge! |
| 03:08.59 | Patlabor221 | yeah something like that |
| 03:09.15 | JBDiGriz | I would expect that in a later book. |
| 03:09.26 | Patlabor221 | he IS Old Ben Kenobe anyway :) |
| 03:09.35 | Patlabor221 | she may have planed it for later, and moved it up |
| 03:09.40 | Patlabor221 | there are only 3 after this one |
| 03:09.45 | Patlabor221 | or 2 actualy |
| 03:09.54 | Patlabor221 | he has 7 years at school |
| 03:09.56 | Patlabor221 | this is 5 |
| 03:10.11 | learnerAtWork | someone's a fan.. |
| 03:10.22 | Patlabor221 | I remember most of what I read |
| 03:11.01 | JBDiGriz | I have three kids who have all started reading with the Harry Potter series. |
| 03:12.34 | TimRiker | take that you complainers... |
| 03:13.10 | TimRiker | dumbledore died didn't he? |
| 03:13.25 | Patlabor221 | the actor did yes |
| 03:13.25 | TimRiker | the actor I mean? |
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| 04:01.06 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) || upgrade bzfs servers to CVS || for a giggle, check for crs' name in the credits for Finding Nemo || g2 released |
| 04:01.06 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 04:01.32 | captain_proton | at least this guy used } else { instead of the else { on the newline |
| 04:02.09 | JBDiGriz | Yes, but it was Tim's, so I thought he deserved the courtesy of some notification. |
| 04:02.30 | captain_proton | TimRiker: all the flag patches in the sf tracker are listed as maybes in the flag list on the wiki - care to make a determination? |
| 04:02.37 | captain_proton | or perhaps we should playtest them first... |
| 04:05.07 | TimRiker | yes. play test is good. |
| 04:05.33 | TimRiker | let's not focus on flags till we have a protocol for exchanging flag info. |
| 04:05.43 | TimRiker | and perhaps not even then... |
| 04:06.08 | jzaun | heh.. I like the sound of the handycap game |
| 04:08.05 | captain_proton | TimRiker: well - we did have the flag negociation code in 1.8, it can probably be ripped out pretty easily |
| 04:08.16 | captain_proton | 'specially now that the Flag class knows about the flags |
| 04:08.28 | captain_proton | what about the game styles? in? :) |
| 04:10.08 | jzaun | please :-) Handycaping sounds like a nice idea... would make scores mean a bit more |
| 04:10.24 | jzaun | besides make the game a little more even-handed |
| 04:11.24 | TimRiker | again, let's add code to negotiate game styles better. |
| 04:11.46 | TimRiker | probably needs a list server update to do it and nuke the bitmap fields moving to xml. |
| 04:16.16 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: hunting hunting |
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| 04:17.49 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 04:18.29 | TimRiker | captain_proton: are there available bits in the game type? I'm happy to use some if there are and delay fixing the protocol. |
| 04:19.08 | TimRiker | well, that part of the protocol... ;-) |
| 04:20.18 | TimRiker | Ramstein: g0 was stable on win98 and g2 is not? same video drivers etc? |
| 04:20.24 | Ramstein | Tim ... g2 works fine for ctf |
| 04:20.35 | Ramstein | same computer ... all settings the same |
| 04:20.37 | TimRiker | xmission is ctf... |
| 04:20.41 | captain_proton | looks like gamestyle is a u16 |
| 04:20.49 | Ramstein | like ducati and bzgirl etc |
| 04:20.59 | TimRiker | hmm |
| 04:21.08 | Ramstein | my lag was too high on other servers this morn |
| 04:21.09 | TimRiker | captain_proton: a bitfield though, yes? |
| 04:21.34 | captain_proton | TimRiker: just a short |
| 04:21.39 | Ramstein | I like g2 ...especially the radar |
| 04:21.51 | captain_proton | because there will of course be 65536 game styles... :P |
| 04:21.57 | Ramstein | is there a way to change the font size in the control panel but not the scores ? |
| 04:22.18 | Ramstein | I like the bigger font in the control panel like in the g0 version |
| 04:22.23 | captain_proton | err...no, i guess its a bitfield |
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| 04:23.15 | TimRiker | captain_proton: nod |
| 04:23.27 | TimRiker | Ramstein: patch the source. ;-) |
| 04:23.45 | captain_proton | looks like we've got 5 bits left |
| 04:23.46 | Ramstein | lol |
| 04:23.56 | Ramstein | Ill have to try that |
| 04:24.36 | captain_proton | seems like some of these aren't really "game styles" (like 'AntidoteGameStyle'), but oh well :) |
| 04:24.50 | captain_proton | // Flags add some spice to the game. |
| 04:24.50 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:24.53 | Ramstein | Well, Ill continue to use g2 and post to the bb under general discussion |
| 04:25.01 | Ramstein | if I have probs .... |
| 04:25.07 | Ramstein | thx |
| 04:26.41 | TimRiker | captain_proton: ok. I like KotH too so lets use a bit. |
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| 04:27.26 | captain_proton | =) |
| 04:27.30 | JBDiGriz | Does anyone know who admins macosxunleashed.com? |
| 04:28.10 | jzaun | How does one checkout the latest source from cvs? |
| 04:28.42 | captain_proton | jzaun: just check out HEAD |
| 04:28.45 | captain_proton | no -r v1_7 |
| 04:28.51 | creeperz | Hey, jzaun |
| 04:28.53 | JBDiGriz | If you're not a developer, you can't. |
| 04:29.04 | jzaun | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co bzflag should work? I still get 1.8 |
| 04:29.09 | captain_proton | TimRiker: KotH does add a new protocol message...would be nice to have a bumped version of some sort |
| 04:29.18 | TimRiker | ~bzcvs is cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 04:29.19 | | okay, TimRiker |
| 04:29.19 | captain_proton | jzaun: anon cvs is a few days behind |
| 04:29.27 | JBDiGriz | SF isn't allowing anonymous checkout access to the latest sources, 24 hours old. |
| 04:29.44 | TimRiker | JBDiGriz: huh? sure. everybody can |
| 04:29.45 | jzaun | When did SF start doing that crap? |
| 04:29.45 | captain_proton | jzaun: iirc you were listed under the project devs - can you try ssh access to cvs? |
| 04:29.55 | JBDiGriz | Last friday |
| 04:29.58 | TimRiker | JBDiGriz: really? sheesh. |
| 04:30.17 | TimRiker | announcement? |
| 04:30.22 | learnerAtWork | TimRiker: http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2352&group_id=1#cvs |
| 04:30.31 | JBDiGriz | TimRiker: Really, that's the reason capn put me on the developer's list, and thank you again for that cap'n |
| 04:30.43 | learnerAtWork | yes, thank you capn |
| 04:31.12 | captain_proton | TimRiker: http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2352&group_id=1#cvs |
| 04:31.17 | captain_proton | TimRiker: the 6-13-03 announcement |
| 04:31.21 | learnerAtWork | hehe, slow cap.. :) |
| 04:31.59 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:32.04 | jzaun | heh, guess I had cvs devel access... never knew it though :-) I won't commit anything tough |
| 04:32.06 | JBDiGriz | I don't even try to keep up with the speedy keyboarding of learnerAtWork and Patlabor221 :) |
| 04:32.28 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 04:34.24 | captain_proton | TimRiker: KotH adds a new msg - would be nice if the version number was bumped to something where bzfls won't try to combine them :P |
| 04:34.32 | TimRiker | captain_proton: yeah. I'll get to it.... just leave it for now. |
| 04:34.39 | creeperz | Hey, TimRiker |
| 04:34.40 | TimRiker | captain_proton: yeah. I'll get to it.... just leave it for now. |
| 04:34.48 | jzaun | learnerAtWork: the only way to give what everyone wants is to have several HUDs to select from... so should be interesting |
| 04:35.17 | captain_proton | TimRiker: as in 'update the patch but don't commit' or 'break the damn thing' ? :) |
| 04:35.17 | learnerAtWork | hrmm.. |
| 04:35.54 | TimRiker | captain_proton: update the patch. |
| 04:35.58 | captain_proton | k |
| 04:36.40 | creeperz | This reminds me of the everyday that my dad tells me to get to work and I do it a day and a half late! |
| 04:36.49 | creeperz | ...When was g2 released? |
| 04:37.11 | learnerAtWork | yesterday, creeperz |
| 04:37.16 | creeperz | Great |
| 04:37.32 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 04:37.42 | creeperz | Heh |
| 04:37.46 | *** topic/#bzflag by TimRiker -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) || check for crs' in the credits for Finding Nemo || g2 released 2003-06-17 |
| 04:37.51 | creeperz | I've been gone for a while |
| 04:37.59 | creeperz | Yippee |
| 04:38.07 | creeperz | What time? ;-) |
| 04:38.07 | TimRiker | yeah. we waited till you left. (jk) |
| 04:38.55 | creeperz | I can see this happening |
| 04:39.31 | TimRiker | well. don't break things for a while. I've got work to do for the next few days and then vacation next week. after that (and I catch up from being away) I'll start changing the net protocol. |
| 04:40.01 | creeperz | I cleaned out my inbox today at the public library |
| 04:40.08 | TimRiker | captain_proton: if you want to get the playerid->1byte out of 1.8 and ready to apply, feel free. ;-) |
| 04:40.14 | creeperz | 1532 messages |
| 04:41.01 | TimRiker | ditto for the 1 port tcp/udp which should probably be a different default port. |
| 04:41.34 | TimRiker | what's 'b''z' -> short ? ;-) |
| 04:41.51 | TimRiker | motorola ordering, not intel. |
| 04:42.42 | captain_proton | TimRiker: ok, we'll probably be mostly doing general cleanup & planning subversion |
| 04:42.55 | JBDiGriz | captain_proton: Could you add a pointer to the wiki in the topic? |
| 04:43.11 | creeperz | SCO is sueing IBM for using Linux in some of their machines that they're selling? |
| 04:44.31 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: you should be able to change the topic |
| 04:44.52 | captain_proton | creeperz: SCO is sueing IBM because they're saying IBM has put SCO's intellectual property into the linux kernel |
| 04:44.58 | JBDiGriz | captain_proton: I thought that was an admin privilege, but I'm willing to learn, what's the command? |
| 04:45.01 | creeperz | Ahhhh |
| 04:45.10 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: depends on the client |
| 04:45.16 | captain_proton | /topic <newtopic> is usually good |
| 04:45.24 | creeperz | No, they have it set to -T |
| 04:45.42 | creeperz | JBDiGriz: What OS? |
| 04:45.59 | captain_proton | if you've got xchat, you can just type into the topic bar and press enter |
| 04:46.08 | creeperz | He does |
| 04:46.09 | JBDiGriz | MacOS X using X-Chat |
| 04:46.22 | creeperz | X-Chat Aqua 0.8.2 (xchat 2.0.1) Darwin 6.6 [Power Macintosh] |
| 04:47.26 | learnerAtWork | .. /topic ... |
| 04:47.40 | creeperz | Heh |
| 04:51.19 | *** topic/#bzflag by JBDiGriz -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) || check for crs' in the credits for Finding Nemo || g2 released 2003-06-17 || Subversive planning for the next release http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress |
| 04:52.01 | JBDiGriz | Remember to learn something new every day! |
| 04:52.31 | creeperz | Ahh, I learned that yesterday |
| 04:52.32 | learnerAtWork | lol, hehe, jb |
| 04:52.57 | JBDiGriz | learnerAtWork: Are you going home tonight, or sleeping under your desk? |
| 04:53.03 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 04:53.08 | learnerAtWork | I'm leaving soon. |
| 04:53.26 | creeperz | Where is crs? |
| 04:55.40 | TimRiker | Linus left Transmeta |
| 04:56.10 | creeperz | I learned that today! |
| 04:56.13 | creeperz | :-) |
| 04:56.31 | learnerAtWork | Serious? About time.. |
| 04:56.49 | JBDiGriz | He's going to be working fulltime on Linux coordination. |
| 04:58.07 | JBDiGriz | And today's news is that sun is acting pissy about this SCO/IBM dustup |
| 04:59.15 | JBDiGriz | They're telling IBM's customers to switch to sun servers to avoid being sued. |
| 04:59.37 | learnerAtWork | heh, silly |
| 05:00.14 | jzaun | latest CVS... going to key maping option menu hangs BZF for me :-( |
| 05:00.48 | learnerAtWork | so don't do that |
| 05:00.56 | JBDiGriz | Works on the macos client. |
| 05:01.12 | jzaun | learnerAtWork: heh |
| 05:01.18 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: well, it -is- a good business opportunity |
| 05:01.49 | JBDiGriz | captain_proton: Even sun doesn't expect to get many switchers. |
| 05:01.49 | learnerAtWork | I've hit other menu problems..too -- but they've been "announced" already.. |
| 05:02.08 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: indeed - but when all it takes is a press release to maybe drum up new business, why not? |
| 05:03.24 | JBDiGriz | captain_proton: It smells bad to me, and I like sun and their products, so it bugs me. |
| 05:03.54 | JBDiGriz | learnerAtWork: What menu problems? I checked the bug list on sf and didn't see anything listed. |
| 05:08.26 | TimRiker | the hunt patch likely broke key mapping. |
| 05:09.56 | jzaun | TimRiker, oh :-( |
| 05:10.03 | learnerAtWork | JBDiGriz: I didn't post a bug because I can't reproduce the exact steps (lame excuse for my laziness) |
| 05:10.48 | learnerAtWork | JBDiGriz: basically, by going to the GUI options during gameplay, I can end up in a situation where the menu won't go away (yet I can actually play with the menu in my way!) |
| 05:11.11 | learnerAtWork | And there's no way to make it go away (or get back to the GUI submenu) |
| 05:12.01 | TimRiker | I think it involved being killed while in a menu or perhaps being killed while paused while in a menu. |
| 05:12.30 | captain_proton | hunt patch shouldn't have broken it... |
| 05:13.49 | captain_proton | what problem are people having? |
| 05:14.03 | creeperz | hunt patch |
| 05:14.20 | creeperz | ? |
| 05:14.26 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:14.30 | captain_proton | i see, segfault |
| 05:14.37 | creeperz | What is the "hunt patch"? |
| 05:15.07 | captain_proton | its for hunting! |
| 05:15.10 | captain_proton | and being hunted |
| 05:15.26 | creeperz | :-) |
| 05:15.39 | creeperz | It's already a hunt |
| 05:15.49 | learnerAtWork | TimRiker: that sounds right |
| 05:15.53 | captain_proton | creeperz: look at the closed patches on sourceforge |
| 05:16.18 | creeperz | I have being to load the sourceforge page for 20 min now |
| 05:17.03 | TimRiker | I have slice for want english speak too. |
| 05:17.44 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:18.13 | fiberchunks | all your base belong to us |
| 05:18.34 | learnerAtWork | you missed the "are" |
| 05:18.49 | learnerAtWork | ;) |
| 05:18.52 | fiberchunks | ah, all your base _are_ belong to us |
| 05:19.13 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 05:19.20 | TimRiker | ~google for "all your base are belong to us" |
| 05:19.22 | learnerAtWork | get your messed up english right, man! |
| 05:19.43 | fiberchunks | my engirsh not big fun, sank you |
| 05:19.58 | TimRiker | ~google for engrish |
| 05:20.04 | learnerAtWork | lol |
| 05:20.20 | JBDiGriz | fiberchunks: I haven't forgotten about the Mac build write up, just trying to fix everything else, and get the WorkInProgress wiki up to date. |
| 05:20.48 | fiberchunks | take your time -- I put a 'TODO' thing in the post on the forum -- so whenever you're ready, let me know :) |
| 05:30.20 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: who needs key binding anyway? |
| 05:31.19 | JBDiGriz | captain_proton: I need keybinding, I refuse to reach for b to laser a gm across the field! |
| 05:31.32 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: well it won't crash anymore ;) |
| 05:31.45 | JBDiGriz | Will it crash any less? :) |
| 05:31.54 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:35.53 | learnerAtWork | ok, now it's time to go home.. heh |
| 05:36.15 | captain_proton | tree goons in a fountain...which one will the fountain drownd? |
| 05:36.41 | learnerAtWork | ~dict goon |
| 05:37.46 | creeperz | ~google for |
| 05:38.10 | creeperz | ~google for drilling through your PC with a large bit |
| 05:38.36 | creeperz | Hmm |
| 05:38.49 | creeperz | None of the URL's I was looking for |
| 05:39.11 | creeperz | ~google for dismanteling your PC and setting fire to it |
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| 05:39.33 | creeperz | Darn |
| 05:39.36 | creeperz | Good night |
| 05:41.37 | captain_proton | don't answer that phone unless its for me! |
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| 06:12.23 | JBDiGriz | Finally get home at 2 in the morning, and you log back in. You need a 12 step program! |
| 06:17.13 | learner | lol, jb |
| 06:17.21 | learner | Hehehe |
| 06:17.47 | captain_proton | someone else want to build this for testing purposes: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=496659&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 06:17.48 | learner | I was just reading the list.bzflag.org -- itneresting stats |
| 06:18.57 | learner | cool, cap.. |
| 06:23.58 | learner | there are three diff files, is the topmost the latest? |
| 06:24.23 | learner | perhaps a dumb question.. |
| 06:25.20 | captain_proton | yes, thats the latest |
| 06:25.30 | learner | ok, thx |
| 06:27.00 | JBDiGriz | i'm heading off g'nite all! |
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| 06:40.33 | learner | building the king of the hill patch now |
| 06:44.42 | mmu_man | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/18/2025210&mode=thread&threshold=-1 rotfl |
| 06:52.09 | TimRiker | yeah. out device will be usb 2.0 low and full speed compliant. but not usb 2.0 high speed. |
| 06:52.12 | TimRiker | it's all a scam. |
| 06:52.21 | TimRiker | er s/out/our/ |
| 06:53.06 | TimRiker | nite |
| 07:09.23 | learner | hey, could I get some players to test the king of the hill patch? |
| 07:09.34 | learner | log on to brlcad.org server |
| 07:09.48 | captain_proton | 5155? |
| 07:09.55 | learner | i will be irc-less once playing |
| 07:10.03 | learner | yes, cap |
| 07:10.17 | learner | it's in the public list |
| 07:21.07 | learner | well, it was close to working.. |
| 07:21.15 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 07:21.25 | learner | I'll not submit, given the bug |
| 07:21.30 | captain_proton | well |
| 07:21.35 | learner | no? |
| 07:21.46 | captain_proton | tim doesn't want us breaking protocol in cvs until he gets back from his trip and munges version numbers |
| 07:21.53 | learner | lol, ah ok |
| 07:22.30 | learner | does it technically "break" protocol? |
| 07:22.34 | captain_proton | yes |
| 07:22.43 | learner | ok |
| 07:22.59 | captain_proton | it adds a new bit to the game style u16, and adds a new message (for sending the new king) |
| 07:24.42 | learner | I usually only call a protocol broken when it causes really bad behavior.. in this case clients simply can't join the game |
| 07:24.45 | learner | but I see the point |
| 07:25.35 | learner | ok, I'm off to sleep |
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| 10:08.11 | Chestal | tag |
| 10:11.20 | Chestal | proton: I read that part about breakign protocol differently |
| 11:13.17 | mmu_man | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress |
| 11:13.33 | mmu_man | :p |
| 11:14.13 | mmu_man | ok, for now I have 2 patches to merge for the BeOS port of XEmacs... |
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| 13:06.57 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:34.52 | [dmp] | howdy |
| 13:39.32 | Mayhem | hey [dmp] |
| 13:40.51 | Mayhem | is there a problem with your ladders page [dmp]? |
| 13:41.04 | [dmp] | sure is. Some stupid asshole broke the cpu-fan. |
| 13:41.25 | [dmp] | :) |
| 13:41.44 | Mayhem | what a silly thing to do... |
| 13:42.00 | [dmp] | one of the wings are broke, so it causes friction. I dont dare have it running. |
| 13:42.26 | [dmp] | my girlfriend have bought new one (lownoise too) .. i just need to get home to install it. |
| 13:42.36 | Mayhem | :) |
| 13:42.59 | Chestal | dmp: what processor is it? |
| 13:43.02 | [dmp] | We need to deliver our project today. |
| 13:43.11 | [dmp] | Duron 1.4ghz |
| 13:45.51 | [dmp] | Got a new harddisk (and "nonoise" psu) as well. PSU is installed, now i just need to reinstall debian + all the software and use the old disk + another one for mirroring my data. |
| 13:48.48 | [dmp] | not that im looking forward to reinstalling the stuff.. |
| 13:49.56 | Mayhem | why are you reinstalling? |
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| 13:57.49 | [dmp] | want the new disk as primary disk |
| 14:05.03 | [dmp] | and i wont to remove all the gui-junk from kde etc. |
| 14:05.07 | [dmp] | want even, |
| 14:05.37 | [dmp] | hmm my sister have toasted her motherboard.. Seems like we are "lucky" in our family rigth now :-) |
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| 14:10.29 | Chestal | hi Tim |
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| 14:51.13 | captain_proton | Chestal: huh? |
| 14:52.50 | captain_proton | whoever put that ECCM flag on WIP should move it to FlagList |
| 14:53.14 | Chestal | bzflag just crashed |
| 14:53.26 | Chestal | but it might still be the old bug which is relaated to the robot code |
| 14:53.31 | Chestal | I guess it has never been fixed? |
| 14:53.39 | Chestal | it was when changing servers |
| 14:54.04 | Chestal | prot: didn't Tim say that we could change the playerid to single byte and go to single port |
| 14:54.15 | Chestal | liek we had already done in 1.8 IIRC? |
| 14:54.52 | captain_proton | hm, he did |
| 14:55.09 | Chestal | that would mean that we break protocol |
| 14:55.12 | captain_proton | but before we make any protocol breaking changes we need to bump the version so that the list server won't be cranky |
| 14:55.26 | Chestal | I guess he didn't want us to do any major protocol changes until he is back |
| 14:55.42 | Chestal | the lsit server can handle multiple versions? |
| 14:55.55 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 14:56.00 | captain_proton | worked fine with 1.8 |
| 14:56.02 | Chestal | ah , didn't know that |
| 14:56.10 | Chestal | always though tit was a second list server for 1.8 |
| 14:56.18 | Chestal | have we decided on a versioning scheme? |
| 14:56.36 | captain_proton | i think we're going with 1.9.0 et al |
| 14:56.46 | captain_proton | tim wanted to send it through the protocol as strings |
| 14:57.05 | Chestal | there already is a mesage for this, bvut it has never been used |
| 14:57.32 | captain_proton | the protocol gets sent in a number of ways |
| 14:57.38 | captain_proton | including sent to the list server :P |
| 14:57.47 | Chestal | do you know what this hunting thing's behaviour is with stealth? |
| 14:57.59 | captain_proton | it doesn't display them on radar |
| 14:58.06 | Chestal | and the sound? |
| 14:58.10 | captain_proton | not sure |
| 14:58.22 | captain_proton | the author mentioned ST on the description, let me look |
| 14:58.23 | Chestal | it shouldnt make it asier to detect stealthed tanks |
| 14:58.52 | captain_proton | dunno |
| 14:58.57 | captain_proton | care to test? |
| 14:59.11 | Chestal | hmm, better later |
| 14:59.18 | Chestal | I'm at home and my computer is already very busy |
| 14:59.22 | captain_proton | ah |
| 14:59.27 | ak|ra | Chestal: :) |
| 14:59.52 | captain_proton | ...don't you have an accelerator at home? :) |
| 15:02.07 | learner | Ches, is ducati your dev machine too? |
| 15:02.31 | Chestal | learner: nom thankfully not :-) |
| 15:02.41 | learner | :) |
| 15:02.43 | Chestal | it's only a P75 |
| 15:03.07 | learner | every now and then a game may grind down .. |
| 15:03.16 | learner | I just blame it on you.. ;) |
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| 15:04.42 | learner | *gulp*! |
| 15:05.33 | learner | .. too .. early.. tired. |
| 15:07.27 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 15:07.32 | captain_proton | i wonder if cell found a job or something |
| 15:07.38 | captain_proton | he's been pleasantly absent for a while |
| 15:08.41 | Mayhem | Has the idea of voice-comms support in bz been totally dropped? |
| 15:09.40 | captain_proton | Mayhem: no |
| 15:09.53 | captain_proton | if its going to happen, the half-done implementation should be ripped out and replaced with something like speex |
| 15:10.25 | Mayhem | is the concensus that it should happen in bz, or with a 3rd party app? |
| 15:11.25 | captain_proton | i'd like to see it in bz |
| 15:11.38 | captain_proton | because 3rd party apps rarely run on as many platforms as bz :) |
| 15:11.45 | Mayhem | righto :) |
| 15:11.57 | captain_proton | and i don't know of any 3rd party apps that use speex, which is currently the most efficient codec |
| 15:12.14 | Mayhem | not to mention ultra-cool :) |
| 15:12.24 | captain_proton | yay for xiph |
| 15:12.32 | Mayhem | woot, they're my heroes. |
| 15:13.07 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 15:13.11 | Mayhem | speaking of which, are we switching to oggs for sound effects? |
| 15:13.17 | captain_proton | the headlines section on the speex page is abusing CSS :) |
| 15:13.22 | captain_proton | yeah, i think so |
| 15:13.29 | Mayhem | like 1.8 did... |
| 15:13.29 | captain_proton | i need to backport the MediaFile stuff from 1.8 |
| 15:21.10 | captain_proton | Chestal: hunting doesn't play the sound near ST |
| 15:22.48 | *** topic/#bzflag by captain_proton -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) || g2 released 2003-06-17 || Subversive planning for the next release http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress || <TimRiker> I have slice for want english speak too. |
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| 15:34.02 | BaDiN | olá |
| 15:39.53 | mmu_man | plop |
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| 16:53.07 | prot-work | ah - the great thing about my job - free food :) |
| 16:58.51 | prot-work | eegh |
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| 17:07.48 | learnerAtWork | nice topic, tim ;) |
| 17:14.01 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: white shirt, do you wear a tie too? |
| 17:14.24 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: its a tshirt |
| 17:16.22 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: I modified the wipi to start the spec. |
| 17:20.09 | JBDiGriz | Can I put your name, or patch available next to the 1.8 thangs? |
| 17:20.22 | prot-work | well - you can put my name next to BZDB at least |
| 17:20.49 | JBDiGriz | I just want to make sure we have someone who is working on the items in the spec |
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| 17:21.48 | prot-work | i need to fix a bug in KotH too |
| 17:22.39 | learnerAtWork | heheh |
| 17:24.36 | JBDiGriz | I never know which name to use for public consumption :) |
| 17:25.10 | prot-work | generally on sf & the web page i use my real name |
| 17:25.22 | JBDiGriz | That's also the reason for "Illustrious Leader" and the "FIST" |
| 17:25.28 | prot-work | =) |
| 17:25.48 | prot-work | what clown is suggesting DIS? :) |
| 17:27.21 | learnerAtWork | I cannot believe someone would put HLA on there either.. |
| 17:27.40 | prot-work | this is a game, not a distributed military simulation |
| 17:28.06 | JBDiGriz | The first distributed military simulations started as games. |
| 17:28.14 | learnerAtWork | besides that, HLA is just horrid -- bastardized Corba |
| 17:28.27 | JBDiGriz | I don't think we want the gov't involved though. |
| 17:28.39 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: true, and in fact bzflag has supposedly been involved in such |
| 17:28.40 | learnerAtWork | yea.. |
| 17:29.01 | prot-work | but there's no reason to use a protocol like that for bz |
| 17:29.26 | learnerAtWork | settled then.. it was "considered" and then slammed |
| 17:29.39 | prot-work | hehe, anyone care to mark it as such? ;) |
| 17:30.04 | learnerAtWork | I'm on it |
| 17:30.39 | JBDiGriz | Make sure we don't discourage anyone too much! |
| 17:31.01 | learnerAtWork | is html allowed in there? I'd rather just use <strike> |
| 17:31.05 | prot-work | "your idea sucks, you're such a wanker" |
| 17:31.12 | learnerAtWork | lol, cap |
| 17:31.25 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: That should work if the idea came from spiff |
| 17:31.53 | learnerAtWork | damn, html doesn't work |
| 17:32.17 | prot-work | learnerAtWork: entire pages can be html, but you can't do just one thing in html |
| 17:32.31 | JBDiGriz | We need a section for ideas which have been considered but aren't likely to make it into the next release |
| 17:32.39 | JBDiGriz | I'll make the actual spec into html |
| 17:32.48 | prot-work | moinmoin almost certainly has a code for strikethrough, just need to find it |
| 17:34.16 | learnerAtWork | i tried [strike] |
| 17:37.07 | JBDiGriz | Wow, that was a big change, looks good! |
| 17:38.07 | prot-work | i think ICM is unfeasable as well |
| 17:38.33 | prot-work | i don't think it would add much, and the interface would be really tricky to do right |
| 17:40.34 | learnerAtWork | ok, I'm done playing with that for now |
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| 17:46.35 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: take tank height into consideration when colliding |
| 17:52.31 | prot-work | :( |
| 17:52.37 | prot-work | who got rid of the "Llama" page on the wiki? |
| 17:53.41 | Mayhem | would a wiki page for the network spec be a good idea? |
| 17:55.25 | prot-work | well we have a page on the site itself for the protocol |
| 17:55.31 | prot-work | which is slightly out of date |
| 17:55.55 | Mayhem | could start with that, and start chopping it up... |
| 17:56.18 | prot-work | if you want to move it to the wiki, feel free |
| 18:00.29 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Feature Requests 574765 (Mac OS X Version): Status->'Closed' Resolution->'Fixed' |
| 18:00.48 | Chestal | there's a todo in the wiki I think |
| 18:01.05 | Chestal | but maybe we should do something similiar, but with emphasis on the next things we want to do |
| 18:01.23 | prot-work | hey |
| 18:01.28 | prot-work | looks like the filter decided to work |
| 18:01.44 | prot-work | Chestal: WorkInProgress is turning into that |
| 18:01.47 | Chestal | hmm, has it been restructered already? |
| 18:02.02 | Chestal | I always forget how to use that wiki stuff |
| 18:02.54 | Chestal | what I would like to see soon is to have more things configurable in the server |
| 18:03.01 | Chestal | soem thigns whcih are constants now |
| 18:03.04 | Chestal | first thign would be world size |
| 18:03.12 | Chestal | but why not change gravity, tank speed, shot speed etc. |
| 18:03.31 | Chestal | or is that already covered by 'bzdb'? |
| 18:03.58 | prot-work | thats covered by bzdb |
| 18:03.59 | prot-work | sorta :) |
| 18:05.03 | Chestal | hmm, I do I login into that Wiki thingy? |
| 18:05.10 | prot-work | Chestal: you don't have to |
| 18:05.28 | Chestal | is it world writable now? |
| 18:07.24 | prot-work | always world writable |
| 18:09.17 | Secret_Hamster | I could never quite figure out how where to find out about the wiki formatting system |
| 18:09.25 | Chestal | what's "Mediafile?' supposed to mean? |
| 18:09.52 | prot-work | Chestal: 1.8 had a set of classes based on 'MediaFile' that had some nicer loaders |
| 18:09.56 | prot-work | like PNG & ogg |
| 18:11.05 | Chestal | ok |
| 18:11.55 | Mayhem | wow, just over 2 years to implement a feature request... nice :) |
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| 18:26.33 | learnerAtWork | TimRiker: do you know what "defjay" was referring to? -- it looks like the old initial OS X port |
| 18:27.07 | learnerAtWork | it was a feature request post to sf |
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| 18:29.00 | Patlabor221 | fiba you here? |
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| 18:35.38 | learnerAtWork | what *does* noodlebot do?? |
| 18:36.29 | Patlabor221 | here, nothing realy |
| 18:36.34 | Noodleman | everything :-) |
| 18:36.41 | Noodleman | what is your ip address? |
| 18:36.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah elesewhere it does a lot |
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| 18:37.01 | Patlabor221 | I hear he is the bizzomb in #noodlebot |
| 18:37.25 | Noodleman | ~whereis 68.33.166.139 |
| 18:37.31 | Noodlebot | 68.33.166.139 is probably located in , , at 0.00 latitude, 0.00, longitude |
| 18:37.37 | Noodleman | bah, humbug |
| 18:37.38 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 18:37.40 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 18:37.52 | learnerAtWork | muahaha |
| 18:38.05 | Patlabor221 | maybe just a bug or 100 to work out in him |
| 18:38.07 | learnerAtWork | ~whereis cad.arl.army.mil |
| 18:38.08 | Noodlebot | no matches for cad.arl.army.mil (try an ip address) |
| 18:38.10 | Noodleman | ~whereis 66.62.140.111 |
| 18:38.10 | Noodlebot | 66.62.140.111 is probably located in bend, oregon, us at 44.09 latitude, -121.29, longitude |
| 18:38.18 | learnerAtWork | whereis 128.63.32.128 |
| 18:38.21 | learnerAtWork | ~whereis 128.63.32.128 |
| 18:38.21 | Noodlebot | 128.63.32.128 is probably located in adelphi, maryland, us at 38.99 latitude, -76.97, longitude |
| 18:38.31 | learnerAtWork | hmmm.. close enough |
| 18:38.55 | mmu_man | plop |
| 18:39.09 | Noodleman | i'm going to add other stuff that ibot doesn't have |
| 18:39.28 | Patlabor221 | you could add the cia stuff |
| 18:40.00 | Noodleman | yeah, i told scanline i'd be happy to take over CIA for him |
| 18:40.09 | Noodleman | he said he'd be happy for me to |
| 18:40.28 | [dmp] | ~whereis 62.107.75.57 |
| 18:40.29 | Noodlebot | 62.107.75.57 is probably located in amsterdam, , nl at 52.35 latitude, 4.90, longitude |
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| 18:43.36 | [dmp] | when bios dosnt say beep or anything (but everything else seems to be working) is it a faulty mb ? |
| 18:43.53 | Patlabor221 | and it dosn't boot? |
| 18:44.00 | Noodleman | it may be that the speaker's unplugged :-) |
| 18:44.45 | Noodleman | check where all of the led's connect to the mb, the speaker may be unplugged |
| 18:44.50 | [dmp] | it dosnt do anything.._ netcard (onboard), powerled (onboard), disks and stuff acts as normal.. but it dosnt boot.. nor show anything ont he screen. |
| 18:45.07 | breadhat | my computer at work actully talks: "Memory error" |
| 18:45.24 | Noodleman | mine did that until i turned it off :-) |
| 18:45.29 | breadhat | hah |
| 18:45.44 | Patlabor221 | usualy they beep when there is a hardware issue |
| 18:46.02 | Mayhem | could be MB, RAM or CPU |
| 18:46.07 | [dmp] | everything seems to be connected. |
| 18:46.27 | Patlabor221 | then I'd start popin out stuff till it boots |
| 18:46.28 | [dmp] | currently i got nothing on the board, no reaction anyway. |
| 18:46.43 | [dmp] | only power ofcause :-9 |
| 18:47.13 | breadhat | try a anotehr video card |
| 18:47.17 | breadhat | maybe the onbaord got fried |
| 18:47.44 | Mayhem | would usually beep on video card probs... |
| 18:47.48 | [dmp] | CPU is unplugged as well currently. |
| 18:47.50 | breadhat | true... |
| 18:48.10 | Mayhem | cpu unplugged? |
| 18:48.15 | breadhat | dmp: ! :) |
| 18:48.32 | Noodleman | if the cpu isn't in its socket, nothing will work |
| 18:48.32 | [dmp] | yeah, to try to provoke it to do something.. |
| 18:48.51 | [dmp] | i have had it in. dosnt change a thing. |
| 18:49.04 | Patlabor221 | put the CPU in another known good system |
| 18:49.09 | Patlabor221 | that's what you are down to now |
| 18:49.12 | Mayhem | or put another cpu in this system |
| 18:49.17 | Patlabor221 | ohh, is the powersupply pluged in? |
| 18:49.23 | [dmp] | yep |
| 18:49.30 | [dmp] | tried the new and the old one. |
| 18:49.50 | Patlabor221 | then it has to be mobo |
| 18:49.54 | [dmp] | i dont have access to any other mobo nor cpus.. |
| 18:50.00 | [dmp] | i guess so. |
| 18:50.04 | Mayhem | since the fan broke, cpu may have cooked... |
| 18:50.25 | [dmp] | it didnt run for more than few sec with the defect fan |
| 18:50.37 | [dmp] | and it dosnt look or smell odd. |
| 18:50.46 | Patlabor221 | what kind of CPU? |
| 18:50.47 | Mayhem | they never do... |
| 18:50.48 | [dmp] | but i was told that bios would beep on this too. |
| 18:50.53 | [dmp] | duron 1.4ghz |
| 18:51.03 | Mayhem | a duron would have smoked in a big way if it had cooked... |
| 18:51.07 | Patlabor221 | I didn't think they made a 1.4 durron |
| 18:51.16 | Noodleman | sure they do |
| 18:51.22 | Noodleman | i think :-) |
| 18:51.22 | Mayhem | no thermal cutout :) |
| 18:51.26 | Patlabor221 | thoguht 1.3 was the hightest |
| 18:51.37 | [dmp] | checking.. |
| 18:51.41 | Patlabor221 | all past the 1.0's had a thermal |
| 18:51.48 | Patlabor221 | the 600-900's didn't |
| 18:52.12 | Patlabor221 | they don't make a 1.4 durron |
| 18:52.21 | Patlabor221 | they make a 1.4 old style athalon |
| 18:52.32 | [dmp] | Patlabor221: you're right, its 1.3 |
| 18:52.42 | Patlabor221 | then it should have a thermal |
| 18:52.48 | Patlabor221 | what mobo? |
| 18:53.10 | [dmp] | esc K7VTA3 |
| 18:53.21 | Patlabor221 | it's up to the mobo to read the thermal overload and shutdown tho |
| 18:53.35 | Patlabor221 | but the core temp limit on those things is 90deg C |
| 18:53.48 | Patlabor221 | hmmm..... |
| 18:54.33 | [dmp] | but if the mobo do this shutdown, dosnt it beep or something to notify the user? |
| 18:54.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah usualy |
| 18:54.57 | Patlabor221 | that is a kt266a that should run a 1.3 just fine |
| 18:55.25 | Patlabor221 | you could try to wipe the bios back to it's defualt state ( with the jumper) |
| 18:55.43 | Patlabor221 | do you know what version of the mobo it is? |
| 18:56.00 | [dmp] | v3 i think |
| 18:56.03 | Tupone | ~whereis 62.11.16.84 |
| 18:56.04 | Noodlebot | 62.11.16.84 is probably located in amsterdam, north holland (province), nl at 52.35 latitude, 4.90, longitude |
| 18:56.20 | Patlabor221 | it should say "rev : somethig" on the board |
| 18:57.37 | Patlabor221 | ehh all of them should support it |
| 18:57.41 | [dmp] | it says 3.1 at the "K7VTA3/KT333"-sticker |
| 18:57.50 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 18:57.54 | Patlabor221 | yeah it shouold work |
| 18:58.02 | Patlabor221 | I would try a bios reset, if not RMA it |
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| 19:02.13 | [dmp] | I guess the ladder will be done for some days/weeks then. *sigh* |
| 19:03.20 | breadhat | sick? |
| 19:05.50 | Mayhem | nooo, I was doing so well too :( |
| 19:07.58 | [dmp] | i dont get it.. if its cooked, it could at least have shown some fancy smokework or something.. so i would get some value for my money.. but nooooooo .. |
| 19:11.07 | [dmp] | but i hope it will get up again.. soon.. |
| 19:38.55 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Feature Requests 544440 (compatability mac OS x): Status->'Closed' Resolution->'Fixed' |
| 19:40.20 | prot-work | wow... |
| 19:40.27 | prot-work | its amazing how many dupes there are in the RFE tracker |
| 19:42.36 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Feature Requests 633723 (Change collision detect area for tanks): Status->'Closed' Resolution->'Fixed' |
| 19:44.46 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Feature Requests 634017 (Remove pause funktion): Status->'Closed' |
| 19:45.23 | prot-work | hmm |
| 19:45.28 | prot-work | the filter is behaving itself today |
| 19:46.06 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Feature Requests 656859 (Godzilla Flag): Status->'Closed' Resolution->'Rejected' |
| 19:48.37 | prot-work | hm |
| 19:48.58 | prot-work | i can't recall, since i rarely play with sound - steamroller has a crunch sound, right? |
| 19:50.39 | breadhat | no |
| 19:50.40 | breadhat | :) |
| 19:58.08 | bzgirl | [dmp]: there |
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| 20:02.36 | Noodleman | darn it, i'm sorry |
| 20:04.54 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Feature Requests 658293 (Cheater Flag on client): Status->'Closed' |
| 20:05.34 | prot-work | RFE is down to one page :) |
| 20:13.28 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Feature Requests 615576 (ballistic missiles): Status->'Closed' Resolution->'Duplicate' |
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| 20:18.28 | sussudio | ~eat windows 2000 |
| 20:18.30 | | ACTION eats windows 2000 and falls over dead |
| 20:20.46 | sussudio | anyone know how to decipher bsods? |
| 20:22.10 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> you afoot? |
| 20:24.38 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Feature Requests 620792 (bad flag epidemic): Status->'Closed' Resolution->'Rejected' |
| 20:24.52 | Mayhem | we need a better way of handling full observer slots... |
| 20:25.13 | Mayhem | ducati 59999 is so full of obs, people are joining the teams... |
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| 20:25.29 | prot-work | Mayhem: well - we *do* have a player type enum for observers, though it isn't used |
| 20:25.36 | prot-work | what we really need is an observer proxy |
| 20:26.03 | Mayhem | player type for observers? |
| 20:26.36 | bzgirl | we need to block player slots in matches |
| 20:26.54 | bzgirl | so that its set at 2 on 2, this match now is a joke :( |
| 20:26.56 | larsl_56k | Block player slots? |
| 20:27.17 | Mayhem | dynamically changing the size of teams... |
| 20:27.29 | bzgirl | we start 2 on 2, and all these other guys join the team cos observer slots are full |
| 20:27.52 | larsl_56k | WHy not just use -mp 0,2,2,0,0 ? |
| 20:28.11 | bzgirl | cos sometimes matches are 3 on 3 |
| 20:28.14 | sussudio | you mean -mo |
| 20:28.23 | Mayhem | and some observers is a good thing |
| 20:28.32 | sussudio | as long as they stfu |
| 20:28.34 | larsl_56k | THen use -mp 0,3,3,0,0 for those matches. =) |
| 20:28.43 | Mayhem | the server is always running... |
| 20:28.46 | bzgirl | sussudio: they dont stfu thogh |
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| 20:29.39 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Feature Requests 550323 (Mine Flag (from BZFlag.org TODO)): Status->'Closed' Resolution->'Duplicate' |
| 20:29.45 | Mayhem | admin should be able to resize teams on the fly, and mute/unmute observers |
| 20:30.32 | larsl_56k | Ah, you don't start new servers for the matches? |
| 20:30.35 | Mayhem | you wanna do a feature request bzgirl? |
| 20:30.54 | Mayhem | ducati 59999 is always going, and going, and going |
| 20:30.56 | bzgirl | nah, adding more obsevers would do the trick probly |
| 20:31.16 | Mayhem | each obs must add to the network load |
| 20:32.26 | bzgirl | yeah |
| 20:32.57 | sussudio | linux never goes on crack as bad as windows |
| 20:33.01 | bzgirl | larsl_56k: i can start a server on mine or roses, but not all matches are played there |
| 20:33.10 | Mayhem | might be handy if /countdown reset the player and team scores too... |
| 20:34.11 | Mayhem | correction, if it reset the player scores *as well* |
| 20:36.29 | Mayhem | ta :) |
| 20:37.24 | Chestal | mayhem: player score used to be handled in the client, so it couldn't be done, but we can change that |
| 20:38.29 | Mayhem | aha! thanks chestal, makes sense :) |
| 20:38.58 | sussudio | mental note: do not ever change jumping rate from 19 to 190m/s ever again |
| 20:39.37 | Mayhem | should I file that somewhere (feature reqs?) so it doesn't get forgotten? |
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| 20:40.27 | prot-work | ok, enough RFE pruning :) |
| 20:41.38 | prot-work | heh |
| 20:41.42 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Feature Requests 730618 (Volumetric smoke and damage): Status->'Closed' Resolution->'Duplicate' |
| 20:42.27 | sussudio | bzflag needs more flying animals |
| 20:43.04 | Secret_Hamster | flying animals? |
| 20:43.10 | Secret_Hamster | what flying animals |
| 20:43.10 | sussudio | Secret_Hamster: : pigs, monkeys |
| 20:43.24 | Mayhem | what happened to the cow launcher? |
| 20:43.37 | Secret_Hamster | Hey I have a good flag. The cow ass flag |
| 20:44.13 | Secret_Hamster | Everytime you shoot, or every few seconds, you fart. sounds and graphics |
| 20:44.28 | sussudio | Secret_Hamster: : doug does that anyway |
| 20:44.33 | Secret_Hamster | lol |
| 20:44.40 | sussudio | in technicolor |
| 20:44.43 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Support Requests 650664 (BZFlag won't load on OS X 1.5): Status->'Closed' |
| 20:45.14 | Secret_Hamster | yea, but imagine picking itup and firing for rhe first time. gotta look good on the screen shots |
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| 20:47.36 | Noodleman | ~google bzflag |
| 20:47.38 | Noodlebot | BZFlag - home, http://www.bzflag.org/ |
| 20:47.38 | Noodlebot | SourceForge.net: Project Info - BZFlag, http://sourceforge.net/projects/bzflag/ |
| 20:47.38 | Noodlebot | www.BZflag.de, http://www.bzflag.de/ |
| 20:50.36 | CIA | davidtrowbridge changed Support Requests 649959 (Depth buffer problem ATi Radeon 64 DDR): Status->'Closed' Resolution->'Wont Fix' |
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| 20:57.44 | prot-work | sheesh |
| 20:57.49 | [dmp] | bzgirl: you wanted me for the match? |
| 20:57.57 | prot-work | i hadn't realizes how big an assload of tracker items i closed |
| 20:58.07 | bzgirl | [dmp]: yeah |
| 21:00.08 | prot-work | hehe |
| 21:00.15 | prot-work | thats what you get for subscribing to -dev ;) |
| 21:00.16 | learnerAtWork | prot-work: :) |
| 21:01.32 | prot-work | it really needed to be done |
| 21:09.22 | prot-work | hehe |
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| 21:29.11 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: BeOS port |
| 21:30.28 | Chestal | Updating src/platform/MacOSX/English.lproj/MainMenu~.nib ? Isn't that a backup file? |
| 21:31.50 | prot-work | you'd have to ask the mac folks |
| 21:33.40 | sussudio | they're too busy hugging their ipods |
| 21:34.21 | learnerAtWork | Chestal: it's "was" a backup dir that accidentally made it in -- it should get pruned |
| 21:36.32 | prot-work | ooo |
| 21:36.37 | prot-work | the CFX patch is 2 years old today |
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| 21:37.18 | CobraA1 | Hello |
| 21:37.26 | larsl_56k | CFX? |
| 21:37.46 | CobraA1 | ? |
| 21:38.28 | [dmp] | CobraA1: just before you arrived: <prot-work> the CFX patch is 2 years old today |
| 21:38.33 | prot-work | larsl_56k: "two new superflags from CFX" |
| 21:38.40 | CobraA1 | oh |
| 21:39.10 | CobraA1 | Is there a network-incompatible branch yet? |
| 21:39.18 | prot-work | sort of |
| 21:39.31 | CobraA1 | I know 1.8, but that flopped . . . |
| 21:39.40 | Chestal | hi A1 |
| 21:39.41 | prot-work | well HEAD is the latest active code now |
| 21:39.50 | CobraA1 | What's going on right now? |
| 21:40.06 | prot-work | we're sort of in limbo until tim does whatever it is he wants to do with the version number |
| 21:40.13 | prot-work | but you're allowed to hack on it |
| 21:40.14 | Chestal | A1: not that much, you coudl check out the 'Work in Progress' in the Wiki and add to it :-) |
| 21:40.30 | CobraA1 | How do I check out "HEAD"? |
| 21:40.33 | prot-work | yes, mostly just planning world domination in WorkInProgress |
| 21:40.49 | prot-work | CobraA1: just check out the bzflag module without any revision flags |
| 21:40.57 | CobraA1 | Isn't that what used to be 1.8? |
| 21:41.23 | Chestal | good night |
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| 21:41.31 | learnerAtWork | night, ches |
| 21:42.07 | CobraA1 | ? |
| 21:42.11 | michaelh | pat -- how do I install stuff and do settings that apply to *all* users in win2k? |
| 21:42.19 | michaelh | Do I have to manually copy stuff? |
| 21:42.21 | learnerAtWork | CobraA1: check out head by just not specifying a revision |
| 21:42.31 | prot-work | CobraA1: 'used to be' |
| 21:42.35 | learnerAtWork | cvs -d ... checkout bzflag |
| 21:42.46 | CobraA1 | . . . |
| 21:43.13 | michaelh | who doesn't want head.... after all |
| 21:43.23 | CobraA1 | More stuff is happening on the v1_7 branch, IMHO |
| 21:43.38 | prot-work | the v1_7 branch is historical now |
| 21:43.44 | prot-work | HEAD contains the 1.7 code base now |
| 21:43.48 | CobraA1 | k |
| 21:43.52 | prot-work | v1_8 is the 1.8 code |
| 21:43.55 | CobraA1 | I'll give it a whirl |
| 21:44.13 | michaelh | this is coplicated mannnn |
| 21:45.30 | michaelh | sniff no win2k people here? |
| 21:45.36 | CobraA1 | WinXP |
| 21:45.46 | sussudio | no, the bastard crashed on me |
| 21:47.05 | sussudio | just make a batchfile that copies the file to all your users. |
| 21:47.32 | michaelh | that stinks |
| 21:47.37 | michaelh | but that's what I thought |
| 21:47.47 | michaelh | but installed programs work across the board? |
| 21:48.08 | michaelh | or does admin wind up owning programs if I install them throuh admin? |
| 21:48.14 | sussudio | or you'll have to edit the source to read the config file from somewhere else. |
| 21:49.41 | CobraA1 | AFAIK, setting permissions is a per-directory thing in NTFS |
| 21:50.40 | CobraA1 | BTW, I tried compiling BZFlag . . . |
| 21:50.53 | CobraA1 | $ make linux |
| 21:50.54 | CobraA1 | make: *** No rule to make target `linux'. Stop. |
| 21:51.00 | sussudio | well.duh. |
| 21:51.10 | larsl_56k | configure && make |
| 21:51.13 | sussudio | run ./autogen.sh |
| 21:51.33 | CobraA1 | autogen???? |
| 21:51.38 | sussudio | yes!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:51.51 | CobraA1 | never heard of it - I usually use ./configure |
| 21:52.00 | prot-work | autogen runs the programs to create configure |
| 21:52.21 | CobraA1 | Why? Another step? |
| 21:52.34 | prot-work | because configure is auto-generated by the various autotools |
| 21:52.38 | prot-work | not hand-written |
| 21:52.44 | larsl_56k | CobraA1: Only for CVS. If you have a source distribution it's just configure && make. |
| 21:53.10 | CobraA1 | ... |
| 21:53.13 | bryjen | NTFS has ACL's down to the file level. Installed program files will be "owned" by the installed, but others generally have permission to use them. |
| 21:53.19 | michaelh | :) |
| 21:53.40 | michaelh | so someone couldn't uninstall a program installed by admin more or less? |
| 21:53.46 | bryjen | ...owned by the account that installed them... |
| 21:53.47 | CobraA1 | I make my own groups in WinXP so I KNOW who has what permissions . . . |
| 21:54.02 | michaelh | you da man |
| 21:54.07 | michaelh | I am new to this game |
| 21:54.45 | bryjen | depends on the exact permissions. Usually members of Administrators and Power Users groups can add/remove stuff |
| 21:55.39 | michaelh | so when I run this and have internet services on .. can I get that one virus thingee? :) |
| 21:55.44 | CobraA1 | OK, there were a few warnings about deprecated stuff! But autogen worked |
| 21:56.44 | mmu_man | Objet [ bzflag-Patches-753445 ] BeOS port |
| 21:56.44 | michaelh | doh.. I guess I am running a webserver.... |
| 21:56.45 | mmu_man | Applied to CVS, Thanx! |
| 21:56.48 | mmu_man | wow :) |
| 21:57.01 | prot-work | CobraA1: yeah, we needed to use the old-style things to get it compatible with all common versions of automake |
| 21:57.16 | michaelh | sure.. just wait until bzflag collapes under the weight of all the patches :) |
| 21:57.20 | michaelh | boom |
| 21:57.25 | CobraA1 | Cygwin = easy upgrade :D |
| 21:58.42 | CobraA1 | Although I dunno if I'll get HW acceleration with Cygwin :/ |
| 21:59.22 | michaelh | one day bzflag will suddenly turn into microsoft flight simulator......... |
| 21:59.35 | CobraA1 | LOL |
| 21:59.37 | michaelh | and they'll see "Applied to Cvs thnx!" |
| 22:00.25 | michaelh | although I suppose it's better than CVS patch constipation |
| 22:01.23 | michaelh | well I'll have to go in a bit to let Windows update rape my system |
| 22:01.50 | michaelh | la la la |
| 22:01.53 | Mayhem | we need to merge sgi-flight with bzflag :) |
| 22:01.57 | CobraA1 | BTW, will I have to run autogen often? |
| 22:04.41 | michaelh | the audience is listening |
| 22:04.45 | bryjen | only if something in the build stuff changes, me thinks |
| 22:06.09 | CobraA1 | k |
| 22:07.26 | larsl_56k | I think that 'make' will run automake and autoconf when needed. |
| 22:09.29 | bryjen | rewrite it in basic and run it in a C64 emulator |
| 22:10.03 | sussudio | hm it cant find the data directory :-| |
| 22:10.13 | sussudio | ohwell |
| 22:11.24 | Chestal | 1 |
| 22:11.35 | sussudio | 2 |
| 22:12.33 | Chestal | 4 |
| 22:12.37 | Mayhem | 8 |
| 22:12.50 | learnerAtWork | who do we appreciate? :) |
| 22:13.01 | Mayhem | hehe |
| 22:15.03 | scanline | uh oh.. |
| 22:15.10 | scanline | that opens up a whole new can of worms |
| 22:15.13 | scanline | hand endianness |
| 22:15.21 | Mayhem | lol |
| 22:15.27 | Noodleman | haha |
| 22:15.34 | Mayhem | palms up or palms down... |
| 22:15.50 | scanline | I bet Intel would make you cross your arms |
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| 22:17.19 | [dmp] | Mayhem: actually, 6 months after my girl moved in i got this similar idea, while trying to explain to her how binary works.. In ended up with developing binary-count with an additional state.. (i tried for states pr finger, but i failed :)).. not sure she quite understood any of it, as i was asked to go to sleep. |
| 22:17.48 | scanline | eh.. you mean base 3? |
| 22:17.53 | [dmp] | jep |
| 22:18.11 | bryjen | trinary |
| 22:18.12 | scanline | wacko |
| 22:18.20 | [dmp] | base 4 made my fingers hurt after some couting. |
| 22:19.18 | Noodleman | my favorite numbering system is base 1 |
| 22:20.05 | Mayhem | [dmp]: what other states did you come up with? |
| 22:20.59 | [dmp] | Mayhem: finger "closed". half-way up, and up. |
| 22:21.16 | [dmp] | Mayhem: more states is possible, but needs training :) |
| 22:21.17 | scanline | well, you cut off each finger so you can reattach them upside down |
| 22:21.22 | [dmp] | hehehe |
| 22:21.33 | Mayhem | if you are double-joined there are more states... |
| 22:21.44 | scanline | the cut-off-and-reattach method is good for nonvolatile storage |
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| 22:22.53 | [dmp] | I must be related with that guy who invented the hand-language blind people uses (i think he was danish?) |
| 22:23.04 | [dmp] | im sure not related to any hardware wiz. |
| 22:23.55 | [dmp] | :) |
| 22:24.33 | Mayhem | Damn, 'wikifying' a document is tedious. |
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| 22:49.43 | bzgirl | Mayhem: are you there? |
| 22:52.20 | Mayhem | yep :) |
| 22:52.37 | bzgirl | :) |
| 22:53.16 | Mayhem | you obviously couldn't stand me kicking your butt in bz... |
| 22:53.44 | bzgirl | oh? |
| 22:53.52 | bzgirl | i dont recall that happening :) |
| 22:54.21 | Mayhem | :p |
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| 23:30.13 | bzgirl | from the commandline, can you make bzflag run fullscreen? (linux) |
| 23:30.33 | Noodleman | i just type bzflag |
| 23:30.40 | Noodleman | it runs fullscreen |
| 23:30.52 | bzgirl | no it dosent |
| 23:30.56 | bzgirl | not in this case |
| 23:31.31 | bzgirl | its ok.nm |
| 23:31.57 | TimRiker | bzgirl: I think there is still an issue with it caching a previous -window command. did it ever run full screen? |
| 23:32.04 | TimRiker | ah. nm. |
| 23:33.13 | bzgirl | TimRiker: he was running it the first ever time...but he set the -geometry to his desktop size and now it works |
| 23:33.34 | learnerAtWork | ah, a convenient hack |
| 23:35.26 | learnerAtWork | hey, cap, you look at that koth bug? just nagging. ;) |
| 23:37.21 | learnerAtWork | looks like that will be a fun patch (at least for a while) |
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