| 00:06.45 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-62-11-3-25.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 00:10.36 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com) |
| 00:11.03 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 00:11.09 | doughecka | greetings TimRiker |
| 00:15.05 | *** join/#bzflag freelancer (~luis@ool-18be5390.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:15.18 | doughecka | heya freelancer |
| 00:15.22 | freelancer | hi |
| 00:15.57 | *** join/#bzflag Speedy2 (Speedy2@cip-71-64.bbs.surfcity.net) |
| 00:16.00 | freelancer | cu later dinner time |
| 00:16.08 | Speedy2 | TimRiker: Ping |
| 00:17.46 | doughecka | wow, the mighty ping of death |
| 00:17.52 | Speedy2 | Yeah, wtf? |
| 00:18.25 | Patlabor221 | common thing with him |
| 00:18.28 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 00:18.36 | Patlabor221 | to not respond |
| 00:18.46 | Speedy2 | Odd. |
| 00:18.51 | Patlabor221 | enigmatic |
| 00:19.04 | Speedy2 | Needed to talk with him |
| 00:19.29 | Patlabor221 | could mail him, I know he reads those |
| 00:19.50 | doughecka | do a ~message for timriker |
| 00:19.52 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com) |
| 00:19.56 | Patlabor221 | I think he's been/still is traveling |
| 00:19.59 | Patlabor221 | or maybe not |
| 00:20.00 | Speedy2 | Infamous TimRiker! |
| 00:20.08 | Speedy2 | We're talking about you Tim. |
| 00:20.11 | doughecka | greetings TimRiker |
| 00:20.18 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 00:20.25 | Speedy2 | We will NOT take you to sector 001. |
| 00:20.48 | TimRiker | activate program riker1 |
| 00:20.51 | Patlabor221 | it could be a phantom riker, I have heard of those |
| 00:21.15 | TimRiker | computer delere Patlabor221 |
| 00:21.28 | TimRiker | <computer> does not compute |
| 00:21.30 | Patlabor221 | are you turning into me? :) |
| 00:21.31 | TimRiker | ugh. |
| 00:21.35 | TimRiker | computer delete Patlabor221 |
| 00:21.36 | Patlabor221 | or maybe I am infecting the system :) |
| 00:21.43 | Speedy2 | Species TimRiker...you are obsolete, you will be asimilated. |
| 00:21.52 | Speedy2 | assimilated? (sp?) |
| 00:21.55 | TimRiker | <computer> program Patlabor221 not found on the system |
| 00:22.12 | Patlabor221 | deus ex. |
| 00:22.18 | TimRiker | so what's been happening the past week? |
| 00:22.27 | TimRiker | it's been over a week since I've been online. |
| 00:22.28 | Patlabor221 | we broke stuff |
| 00:22.32 | Patlabor221 | we fixed stuff |
| 00:22.36 | Patlabor221 | we broke more stuff |
| 00:22.40 | TimRiker | heh |
| 00:22.42 | Patlabor221 | then fixed 1/2 of it |
| 00:22.58 | TimRiker | what's the remaining broken stuff? |
| 00:22.59 | Patlabor221 | King Of the Hill has been put in CVS and renamed Rabbit Chase |
| 00:23.02 | Patlabor221 | it' raely funn |
| 00:23.09 | Patlabor221 | net stuff |
| 00:23.10 | Patlabor221 | playerID |
| 00:23.18 | Patlabor221 | it's now a uchar |
| 00:23.24 | Patlabor221 | I tink its' mostly good now |
| 00:23.27 | TimRiker | oohh... sync'ed? |
| 00:23.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah I think so |
| 00:23.48 | Patlabor221 | also some port changes, down to one port now |
| 00:24.01 | Patlabor221 | busted NATs when that was done, but it's been fixed now |
| 00:24.27 | TimRiker | copied stuff from 1.8 ? |
| 00:24.29 | Patlabor221 | most of the stuff that needs changin is in rabbit chase |
| 00:24.42 | Patlabor221 | I don't know if it was or not, I think so |
| 00:24.50 | Patlabor221 | MAC has been moving some stuff over |
| 00:25.31 | Patlabor221 | also the WIP wiki page has updated |
| 00:25.49 | Patlabor221 | and a meeting to discuss network cleanup is trying to be put together |
| 00:26.10 | Patlabor221 | pyrmaids are now totaly solid :) |
| 00:26.47 | Patlabor221 | a new cheat has been spoted |
| 00:27.04 | Patlabor221 | ends all shots that get within a radius of the player tank |
| 00:27.38 | Patlabor221 | oh and cap scared off some gpl violators |
| 00:27.51 | TimRiker | yeah? cool! tell me about that. |
| 00:27.59 | scanline | hehe, so he got a response from those guys? |
| 00:28.04 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:28.07 | scanline | neat |
| 00:28.08 | Patlabor221 | the pulled there stuff |
| 00:28.10 | Patlabor221 | it was a cheat site |
| 00:28.19 | Patlabor221 | they had like 3 cheats |
| 00:28.37 | Patlabor221 | cap sent them this realy pro lookin mail |
| 00:28.43 | scanline | TimRiker: not only were they posting a modified binary in violation of the GPL, they were posting MSVC debug DLLs in violation of microsoft's EULA.. he scared them pretty good :) |
| 00:28.52 | TimRiker | heh |
| 00:28.52 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:28.56 | Patlabor221 | they pulled it all |
| 00:29.30 | Patlabor221 | ohh Tim do you mind if I put the windows version of BZEdit in SF CVS? |
| 00:29.43 | Patlabor221 | I'll pop the same liscense as BZ in with it |
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| 00:33.28 | Speedy2 | TimRiker: Do any more burnouts? |
| 00:35.05 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: fine. what module name are you planning? bxeditw32 or something? |
| 00:35.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:35.20 | TimRiker | Speedy2: heh. not in the rented mini-van last week, no. ;-) |
| 00:35.40 | Speedy2 | Aww |
| 00:35.46 | Speedy2 | TimRiker: Check my /msg |
| 00:35.58 | Patlabor221 | I just want it somewhere where other people can modify it too |
| 00:42.01 | doughecka | hmm, chestal also fixed the sound so it sounds correctly |
| 00:42.32 | doughecka | not really fast |
| 00:42.48 | Patlabor221 | yeah some of the sounds were 11k, BZ would play them at 22k |
| 00:43.25 | doughecka | so now the donkey sound sounds like a.. donkey |
| 00:44.20 | Patlabor221 | well the important one is GM sounds like a real missile now |
| 00:44.34 | doughecka | hah |
| 00:44.53 | doughecka | are those sounds 10 years old? |
| 00:45.52 | TimRiker | there still is MsgScore server->client but the protocol.h does not mention that? |
| 00:46.24 | TimRiker | Speedy2: vacation in myrtle beach last week. no net. |
| 00:46.39 | doughecka | TimRiker: wonderfull, wasnt it? |
| 00:46.50 | Speedy2 | TimRiker: Nice, eh? |
| 00:47.13 | TimRiker | fun. catching up on a few hundred email messages |
| 00:48.02 | Speedy2 | TimRiker: And having a minivan is no excuse for not doing donuts! My friend had a Chryler mini-van and did donuts in that, so hah. |
| 00:50.26 | doughecka | should have rented a porsche or something |
| 00:52.54 | Patlabor221 | do you know how much those cost doug? |
| 00:53.20 | doughecka | TimRiker is rich! *cough* |
| 00:56.26 | scanline | my dad had a 1894 dodge minivan that did donuts pretty well |
| 00:56.30 | scanline | er, 1984 :) |
| 00:56.47 | doughecka | scanline: your dad know about this? |
| 00:56.58 | scanline | he was the one doing them |
| 00:57.02 | Speedy2 | Our Mazda MPV is pretty torqy...plus it's rear-wheel drive. |
| 00:57.05 | scanline | though the little Nova worked better |
| 00:57.14 | doughecka | scanline: oooh, nice dad :) |
| 00:57.14 | Speedy2 | It'll easily chirp tires |
| 00:57.27 | *** part/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@81.68.136.24) |
| 00:57.29 | doughecka | Speedy2: we have a mpv :) |
| 00:57.36 | scanline | doughecka: he liked to test the ice on empty parking lots in the winter :) |
| 00:57.51 | doughecka | scanline: hah, that sound familier |
| 00:57.53 | Patlabor221 | ahhh so your one of those people who wake me up in the middle of the night doing dohnuts in the parkinglot? |
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| 00:58.10 | scanline | Patlabor221: only on road trips |
| 00:58.21 | TimRiker | commandManager ? |
| 00:58.23 | Speedy2 | doughecka: V6? |
| 00:58.24 | BZSpiff | Hi all. :-) |
| 00:58.28 | doughecka | Speedy2: yep |
| 00:58.36 | doughecka | Speedy2: with the towing package :) |
| 00:58.38 | Speedy2 | What year is yours? Ours is '91 |
| 00:58.39 | Speedy2 | Wow. |
| 00:58.42 | doughecka | 93 |
| 00:58.45 | Speedy2 | Nice. |
| 00:58.48 | Patlabor221 | Tim cap moved over the variable parsing stuff |
| 00:58.59 | TimRiker | ah |
| 00:59.04 | Speedy2 | doughecka: Those'll easily do donuts. |
| 00:59.45 | doughecka | Speedy2: hehe |
| 00:59.52 | BZSpiff | Hmm... come again scanline? LoL *confused* |
| 00:59.54 | Speedy2 | Not that I've ever tried... |
| 01:00.03 | Speedy2 | But I've accidentally bliped the tires here and there. |
| 01:00.08 | scanline | BZSpiff: forget about it |
| 01:00.12 | Speedy2 | ? |
| 01:00.34 | doughecka | Speedy2: well, afraid to drive anything on the roads for that matter :P |
| 01:00.49 | Speedy2 | Why? |
| 01:00.53 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:01.28 | BZSpiff | Have any of you seen any HoW members? |
| 01:01.42 | scanline | Hell on Wheels? |
| 01:01.45 | BZSpiff | Yep. |
| 01:02.14 | scanline | bah! |
| 01:02.21 | BZSpiff | What? |
| 01:02.27 | scanline | how dare I be right when guessing random backronym expansions? |
| 01:02.36 | Patlabor221 | tanks don't have wheels |
| 01:02.43 | Patlabor221 | it should be HoT |
| 01:02.51 | scanline | Hovering On Wombats |
| 01:02.58 | BZSpiff | I agree Patlabor..... but consider the source of the team name. ;-) |
| 01:03.15 | BZSpiff | On second... consider the source and devide by crap. |
| 01:03.16 | BZSpiff | LoL |
| 01:03.22 | Patlabor221 | the boy should jsut confess |
| 01:04.11 | BZSpiff | Anyway.... we want a match. Any takers? 0:) |
| 01:04.34 | scanline | careful, it's hot |
| 01:04.46 | Patlabor221 | dude he's too young to smole |
| 01:05.04 | scanline | I bet anyone here can smole when sufficiently on fire |
| 01:05.05 | BZSpiff | Hate to break it to ya Patlabor.... but you need cigarettes to smoke. ;) |
| 01:05.24 | Patlabor221 | I didn't say smoke |
| 01:05.37 | BZSpiff | No...... you said smole. |
| 01:05.44 | Patlabor221 | and EVERYTHING burns if you get it hot enough! :) |
| 01:05.50 | BZSpiff | ibot: define smole |
| 01:05.50 | | BZSpiff: are you using Windows? |
| 01:06.03 | BZSpiff | Hmm.... did I type that wrong? |
| 01:06.07 | Patlabor221 | smolder |
| 01:06.14 | scanline | with my smoldering iron! |
| 01:06.21 | BZSpiff | Ahh... ;) |
| 01:06.21 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:06.25 | Patlabor221 | for great justice!!! |
| 01:06.33 | scanline | and great bananna! |
| 01:08.00 | BZSpiff | Okie... so.... remind me never to come to IRC to look for people to match with. :P |
| 01:08.46 | TimRiker | http://dfhc2.port5.com/main%20pages/Downloads/files/ <- still appears to have the cheat. |
| 01:08.51 | Patlabor221 | oooo that's gotta hurt |
| 01:09.18 | Patlabor221 | that he does |
| 01:09.20 | Patlabor221 | cap is gone |
| 01:09.46 | Patlabor221 | he links them from here |
| 01:09.46 | Patlabor221 | http://dfhc2.port5.com/main%20pages/Downloads/downloadHome.htm |
| 01:10.23 | BZSpiff | Oh... is that the place that the person was posting cheats on? |
| 01:10.34 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:10.42 | BZSpiff | Can anything be done about it? |
| 01:11.00 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:11.08 | Patlabor221 | he is violating the GPL |
| 01:11.15 | Patlabor221 | you have to post source for your mods |
| 01:11.19 | BZSpiff | Good. I'm so sick of having to ban cheaters. |
| 01:11.31 | Patlabor221 | your still gonna |
| 01:11.42 | BZSpiff | True.... but that stuff just adds to it. |
| 01:11.59 | Patlabor221 | people will still didribute them |
| 01:12.32 | BZSpiff | Yep. I tried to get people to stop doing that on Knightmare.... but they were too dumb to listen. |
| 01:13.53 | BZSpiff | I have a lil' question for TimRiker..... |
| 01:14.04 | BZSpiff | How come my client crashes pretty frequently when I'm on xmission? |
| 01:14.14 | BZSpiff | It's done this both times that I've been on this week. |
| 01:14.15 | Patlabor221 | you lack chi |
| 01:14.23 | scanline | and you lack chai |
| 01:14.39 | Speedy2 | tai chi, chai tea |
| 01:15.08 | BZSpiff | Chai is pretty good actually. My sister drinks it a lot. :) |
| 01:15.23 | scanline | I should get more chai.. |
| 01:15.47 | scanline | captain_proton tried to make chai last time we were cooking dinner, but the recipe he had was very wrong |
| 01:16.47 | Speedy2 | Need the right spice |
| 01:16.56 | Speedy2 | Spicies, which aren't that commonly available. |
| 01:17.02 | Speedy2 | spices even |
| 01:17.25 | doughecka | a certian spieces of spices :) |
| 01:18.23 | scanline | Speedy2: well, it did have a good deal of odd spices in it which I can't remember off the top of my head, but not nearly as many as we thought it would need... and the recipe called for what must have been the entire world output of tea for this month |
| 01:18.46 | scanline | so we stamped that recipe as Total Bunk and are awaiting a better one :) |
| 01:18.53 | Speedy2 | I see |
| 01:18.58 | Patlabor221 | recipe makes 1.4 metric tons of tea |
| 01:19.11 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:19.17 | Speedy2 | Gotta have the right source tea too |
| 01:19.38 | scanline | Patlabor221: nah.. that's how much it calls for... it boils down to only about a potful of chai |
| 01:19.38 | Speedy2 | i.e. lipton does not cut it :) |
| 01:21.14 | Patlabor221 | and 2 55 gallon drums of toxic waste? |
| 01:21.37 | doughecka | and a bucket of caffein |
| 01:21.47 | BZSpiff | There we go again...... I get on xmission and my client simply discentegrates. |
| 01:22.04 | scanline | BZSpiff: add more cornstarch |
| 01:22.13 | BZSpiff | Thanks a heap... :P |
| 01:22.28 | BZSpiff | Brb.... stupid thing messed my monitor gamma up the first time...... and I'm getting sick of it. |
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| 01:38.47 | TimRiker | surely the server should pick the new king? |
| 01:39.31 | Patlabor221 | it does dosn't it? there is a newrabbit message |
| 01:39.51 | TimRiker | from client to server? |
| 01:40.16 | Patlabor221 | I don't know the specifics, only there is a message, saw it when I was changing king to rabbit |
| 01:43.24 | Patlabor221 | I need to try it now that MAC hooked up auto hunting the wabbit |
| 01:43.35 | bzdoug | autohunting? |
| 01:43.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah, on rabbit change it sets the wabbit as your hunt target |
| 01:44.09 | bzdoug | hm |
| 01:44.12 | bzdoug | interesting |
| 01:44.17 | Patlabor221 | hence "auto hunt" |
| 01:44.32 | bzdoug | so no bot involved :) |
| 01:44.43 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 01:45.07 | bzdoug | an auto hunting bot :) |
| 01:45.19 | Patlabor221 | good lord why? |
| 01:48.49 | TimRiker | hmm... if the bot is the winner will it become the rabbit? ;-) |
| 01:49.54 | bzdoug | if the bot is that good I dont see why not ;) |
| 01:51.57 | Patlabor221 | sure, it's all player based |
| 01:52.22 | Patlabor221 | tho I doubt a bot could keep up in a good RC game |
| 01:52.26 | Patlabor221 | they are very fast |
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| 01:57.32 | TimRiker | kicrabbit" |
| 01:57.36 | TimRiker | heh |
| 01:57.57 | TimRiker | someone's regex needs a little work. |
| 01:58.45 | TimRiker | ~status |
| 01:58.46 | | Since Thu Jun 19 03:59:22 2003, there have been 43 modifications, 273 questions, 105 dunnos, 1 moron and 350 commands. I have been awake for 9d 21h 59m 23s this session, and currently reference 85068 factoids. I'm using about 15756 kB of memory. |
| 01:59.05 | bzdoug | thats alot of factoids |
| 01:59.49 | TimRiker | yeah. needs to be weeded again and convert fact datasets to web queries for zip and rfc etc. |
| 02:00.13 | bzdoug | hmm, what format is it in? |
| 02:00.35 | TimRiker | sqlite |
| 02:00.45 | bzdoug | oh. |
| 02:00.52 | bzdoug | can you export it to a text file? |
| 02:01.16 | TimRiker | echo .dump | sqlite blootbot.sqlite |
| 02:01.48 | bzdoug | heh |
| 02:03.15 | TimRiker | +DEBUG1("kicrabbit Player %s [%d]: jump too high\n", player[t].callSign, t); |
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| 02:57.59 | BZSpiff | Any ducati admins on? |
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| 03:03.27 | BZSpiff | Guess not. He left anyway. |
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| 03:27.44 | michaelh2 | yo |
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| 10:32.28 | *** topic/#bzflag by larsl_56k -> hum |
| 10:32.53 | *** topic/#bzflag by larsl_56k -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) || g2 released 2003-06-17 || Subversive planning for the next release http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress || everyone please debug playerid changes for a while || anoncvs sucks, so here are some snapshots: http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ |
| 10:33.11 | larsl_56k | Sorry sorry sorry, wrong channel. |
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| 14:31.14 | Tupone | ~seen Tim Ricker |
| 14:31.14 | | i haven't seen 'tim ricker', Tupone |
| 14:31.42 | [dmp] | ~seen TimRiker |
| 14:31.42 | | timriker <~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 12h 28m 27s ago, saying: '+DEBUG1("kicrabbit Player %s [%d]: jump too high\n", player[t].callSign, t);'. |
| 14:31.48 | sussudio | ~seen benito mussolini |
| 14:31.48 | | sussudio: i haven't seen 'benito mussolini' |
| 14:32.10 | Tupone | [dmp]:thanx |
| 14:33.38 | sussudio | http://www.missblackwidow.com/drugs.html |
| 14:33.41 | sussudio | poor spider. |
| 14:34.48 | CIA | commit by chestal: formatting |
| 14:35.19 | CIA | commit by chestal: get allowRabbit() finally right? |
| 14:39.47 | CIA | commit by chestal: the pausing rabbit bug is now different |
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| 14:41.31 | CIA | commit by chestal: move bugs to BUGS |
| 14:43.02 | CIA | commit by chestal: add coment that protocol.txt is not up to date |
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| 15:05.01 | [dmp] | ~d6 |
| 15:07.12 | sussudio | ~d |
| 15:31.31 | Tupone | cheating on xmission |
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| 15:40.43 | sussudio | Tupone: yeah, so? |
| 15:41.37 | Tupone | wymean by so? Just saying that! But has gone! It was Sw sw sw |
| 15:42.55 | sussudio | *shrug* |
| 15:44.27 | Nidhoggr | it's amazing how you can provide an email address to report issues, and the only complaints you ever see are when you sometimes login to bzbb. :-P |
| 15:45.21 | Chestal | the I enabled the /report feature but it's very rarely used |
| 15:45.38 | sussudio | hm, well, if i had to send an email every time someone cheats on secretplace.us, i might as well automate it |
| 15:45.39 | Nidhoggr | hrm.. that's an idea. I should do that. |
| 15:45.40 | [dmp] | I have a website which had a huge problem. I didnt get a single report until i talked with a user (via icq) .. then he mentioned that i perhaps should check it out. So im not surprised. |
| 15:46.26 | Nidhoggr | sussudio: I try to catch as much as I can without a graphical client. I ban 4-5 people a day on secretplace on average. |
| 15:46.37 | Nidhoggr | my PC needs a new vid card though, so I'm using bzadmin. |
| 15:47.05 | sussudio | you could just ban any nicks starting with RUSSIAN |
| 15:47.11 | Nidhoggr | and it's always running current CVS, etc., so if there is cheating, it's because there are gaping holes in the protocol. |
| 15:47.27 | Nidhoggr | I'll keep that in mind. |
| 15:47.40 | Nidhoggr | and "BZFlag Developer" :( |
| 15:47.50 | sussudio | :-B |
| 15:48.21 | Nidhoggr | someone with that callsign has been using the shot end cheat. |
| 15:48.44 | Nidhoggr | I'm prolly going to remove V flag, and take of speedtol |
| 15:48.58 | Nidhoggr | cuz I've banned 3 or 4 people for speed cheats this week. |
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| 15:49.22 | sussudio | it doesnt take a brainsurgeon to edit global.h |
| 15:51.55 | Chestal | anyone tried http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~ulbrich/textures_rusty_cage.tar.gz? |
| 15:52.15 | sussudio | meh? |
| 15:54.08 | sussudio | gzip: textures_rusty_cage.tar.gz: not in gzip format :-P |
| 15:54.48 | Chestal | yep, it's a plain .tar |
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| 15:59.54 | Nidhoggr | sussudio: I'm not seeing anything in global.h that would fix the new bug introduced where people who drop the V flag get kicked for going too fast because they don't have the flag, but are decelerating. |
| 16:00.16 | Nidhoggr | and I am using -speedtol 2 |
| 16:00.32 | Nidhoggr | and have had people going 99, and not get kicked. |
| 16:01.11 | sussudio | i mean, you can simply change your velocity in global.h |
| 16:01.31 | Nidhoggr | how's that going to fix the problem? (sorry if I sound stupid, maybe I am) |
| 16:01.34 | sussudio | btw, i don't recommend going 99, it makes you want to throw up |
| 16:01.49 | sussudio | Nidhoggr: that's not the problem, it's the cause |
| 16:01.50 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 16:02.05 | Nidhoggr | what would I change it to to fix it? |
| 16:02.17 | Chestal | Nidh: the server should not kick peopel who are in the air, and when on ground they shouldn't have a speed >25 withotu V flag |
| 16:02.27 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:02.43 | Chestal | actually, it doesn't kick those people |
| 16:03.01 | sussudio | you can't "fix" it from global.h, that's where the people create rudimentary cheat clients from |
| 16:03.06 | Chestal | the tolerance is there because peopel might go faster than 25 withotu V flag |
| 16:03.07 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 16:03.14 | Chestal | this is due to how the speed is calculated (indirectly) |
| 16:03.26 | Chestal | but I guess there might still be problems |
| 16:03.37 | Nidhoggr | I thought you were inferring that it didn't take a brain surgereon to figure out a way around with global.h (I thought you were insulting my intelligence ;) ) |
| 16:04.12 | sussudio | hm no. i mean it's a way even Carnage can make a cheat client |
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| 16:04.32 | Nidhoggr | chestal, I had people getting kicked right after dropping V until I added speedtol. |
| 16:04.37 | sussudio | same with making your tank narrow, even if it doesn't show as such to other players |
| 16:04.52 | Nidhoggr | now noone is getting kicked for speed cheats :( |
| 16:05.17 | Nidhoggr | it just logs the cheat without kicking |
| 16:05.45 | Chestal | I have V flags on my server, but see no problems |
| 16:05.49 | Chestal | but there's no jumping there |
| 16:05.58 | Nidhoggr | that could be part of the problem. |
| 16:08.16 | Nidhoggr | V gives you 1.5 times the base, right? |
| 16:08.21 | sussudio | yes |
| 16:08.52 | Nidhoggr | so if I set speedtol to 1.5, I should catch the ones over 37.5 then. |
| 16:08.52 | sussudio | that would give you a speed of 28.5 |
| 16:09.05 | Nidhoggr | 1.5 * 25 is 37.5 |
| 16:09.15 | sussudio | i think the standard speed is 19 |
| 16:09.19 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 16:09.33 | Chestal | no, 25 |
| 16:09.36 | Nidhoggr | const float TankSpeed = 25.0f; // meters/sec |
| 16:09.57 | sussudio | hm jumpvel is 19 |
| 16:10.08 | Chestal | nid: I fear that speedtol is working on square speed, but I am not sure |
| 16:10.46 | Nidhoggr | either I need a fix, or I gotta disable V, because I have people going way faster than 2x the norm, and not getting kicked for some reason. |
| 16:11.05 | Nidhoggr | Logging Player mr [0]: tank too fast (tank: 86.513467, allowed: 35.355339){Dead |
| 16:11.05 | Nidhoggr | or v[z] != 0} |
| 16:11.12 | Nidhoggr | that's with -speedtol 2 |
| 16:11.21 | Nidhoggr | he shoulda been booted. |
| 16:11.27 | Chestal | well, he was either dead or in the air |
| 16:11.30 | Chestal | thus he didn't get kicked |
| 16:11.48 | Chestal | a cheater might of course patch his client to float over the ground all the time |
| 16:12.00 | Nidhoggr | that's probably the case here. |
| 16:12.15 | Chestal | these checks are very basic |
| 16:12.15 | Nidhoggr | because he has hundreds of those log entries in a row. |
| 16:12.18 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:12.30 | Chestal | they're usualyl better than nothing, but the server does not have enough state information to do real checks |
| 16:12.40 | Nidhoggr | true. |
| 16:12.59 | Nidhoggr | our new big cheat is the "end shot" thing. |
| 16:13.48 | Nidhoggr | does the /report function write to a file that you just go read later? |
| 16:14.05 | sussudio | ok see if it kicks me. secretplace.us, right? |
| 16:14.09 | Nidhoggr | like I could set up a process to stat the file and detech changes. |
| 16:14.11 | Nidhoggr | nod. |
| 16:14.37 | Nidhoggr | that kicked you |
| 16:14.44 | sussudio | Autokick: Tank moving too fast, Update your client. |
| 16:14.44 | sussudio | Server forced a disconnect |
| 16:14.45 | sussudio | yup |
| 16:14.52 | Nidhoggr | so the guy has to be floating. |
| 16:14.57 | sussudio | guess so |
| 16:15.00 | Chestal | Nidhoggr: it depends, there are sveral options. I'm using a file |
| 16:15.03 | Nidhoggr | I've banned 3 or 4 people with that cheat now. |
| 16:15.07 | Nidhoggr | ah... cool. |
| 16:15.27 | Nidhoggr | I could detect changes and page with the diff. |
| 16:16.03 | Chestal | you can also make it pipe the message to a program, but I never tried that |
| 16:16.14 | Nidhoggr | true. |
| 16:16.30 | Nidhoggr | I have a rudimentary paging script that I use already. |
| 16:17.01 | Nidhoggr | brb. |
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| 16:35.36 | sussudio | ok trying something new |
| 16:36.08 | Nidhoggr | hrm |
| 16:36.12 | Nidhoggr | it's not kicking you. |
| 16:36.20 | sussudio | it did when i reversed |
| 16:36.55 | sussudio | but i was hovering about 0.1 above the ground |
| 16:37.15 | Nidhoggr | I just banned 2 people from the logs that were doing that. |
| 16:37.21 | sussudio | ah |
| 16:37.29 | stibnite | sometimes hashmark kicks people inexplicably |
| 16:37.34 | Nidhoggr | 1 from .jp and I had to ban a whole class B to get him. |
| 16:37.43 | stibnite | sometimes I pay no mind, depending on who those people are. ;P |
| 16:37.48 | sussudio | i had hashmark kick me once when i had V and jumped |
| 16:37.48 | Nidhoggr | because he joined from a bunch of different IPs. |
| 16:38.16 | Nidhoggr | I just feel really bad right now, because I thought I was doing a fairly good job of policing my servers. |
| 16:38.32 | Nidhoggr | now I'm gunna be paranoid for weeks. |
| 16:38.58 | sussudio | or until the sabbath |
| 16:39.02 | Nidhoggr | heh. |
| 16:39.32 | Nidhoggr | unfortunately the sabbath doesn't stop cheaters. :) |
| 16:39.41 | Nidhoggr | Logging Player cheater [6]: tank too fast (tank: 75.000000, allowed: 35.355339){Dead or v[z] != 0} |
| 16:39.43 | Nidhoggr | see ? |
| 16:39.44 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 16:39.55 | sussudio | yeah that was me probably |
| 16:39.59 | Nidhoggr | it was |
| 16:40.03 | Nidhoggr | I was being silly. |
| 16:40.04 | bzdoug | sussudio: cheater |
| 16:40.11 | bzdoug | :) |
| 16:40.11 | Nidhoggr | trying to cheer myself up. |
| 16:40.23 | Nidhoggr | after that bzbb post I'm kinda down. |
| 16:40.23 | sussudio | next time i'll set it to 66.6 :-| |
| 16:40.28 | Nidhoggr | hahahaha |
| 16:40.33 | bzdoug | heh |
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| 16:40.50 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.55 | Nidhoggr | hi akira |
| 16:56.44 | bzdoug | heya Nidhoggr :P |
| 16:56.51 | Nidhoggr | hi doug |
| 16:56.53 | Nidhoggr | what's up? |
| 16:57.06 | bzdoug | nothin much |
| 16:58.39 | bzdoug | tabs are wonderfull :) |
| 16:58.55 | Nidhoggr | I found the option to turn on tabs in safari. |
| 16:58.58 | Nidhoggr | I was very happy. |
| 16:59.02 | bzdoug | hah |
| 16:59.13 | ak|ra | cya |
| 16:59.15 | Nidhoggr | safari isn't fond of networksolutions user interface though. |
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| 16:59.24 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 16:59.30 | bzdoug | who uses netsol? |
| 16:59.31 | bzdoug | :P |
| 16:59.32 | Nidhoggr | it's really sluggish. |
| 16:59.34 | Nidhoggr | ME |
| 16:59.39 | bzdoug | use godaddy :D |
| 16:59.53 | Nidhoggr | I have 8, soon to be 10 domains with them. |
| 17:00.02 | Nidhoggr | I guess I'm just old fashioned. |
| 17:00.04 | bzdoug | for how much per year? |
| 17:00.08 | bzdoug | :) |
| 17:00.21 | Nidhoggr | besides, I still like my 4 character NIC ID. :) |
| 17:00.30 | bzdoug | oooh |
| 17:00.44 | bzdoug | what is it? |
| 17:00.49 | Nidhoggr | CM21 :) |
| 17:01.01 | bzdoug | lol |
| 17:01.14 | Nidhoggr | you can do a whois on dragon.org to find that. :) |
| 17:01.15 | bzdoug | ah, 7 tabs, better than 20 |
| 17:01.19 | bzdoug | oh yea |
| 17:01.52 | Nidhoggr | my friend bill is WP5 |
| 17:01.59 | bzdoug | wow |
| 17:02.00 | bzdoug | :) |
| 17:02.03 | bzdoug | early folks |
| 17:02.06 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 17:02.15 | Nidhoggr | his was 1992, and mine 1993 |
| 17:02.15 | bzdoug | my dad actully had a free domain before netsol came around |
| 17:02.30 | Nidhoggr | dragon.org was free for a bunch of years. |
| 17:02.41 | bzdoug | till they charged you |
| 17:02.42 | Nidhoggr | she's 10 years old in october. |
| 17:02.44 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 17:03.30 | bzdoug | :) |
| 17:03.48 | bzdoug | cept the guy never replyed, but I suppose I can pick anything I want |
| 17:04.42 | Nidhoggr | assuming in regards to IP space is probably a bad idea. |
| 17:04.43 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:05.03 | bzdoug | its in the 44. range |
| 17:05.26 | bzdoug | I pinged the whole KY subnet, and nothing bounced back |
| 17:05.46 | Nidhoggr | they might be blocking icmp |
| 17:05.48 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:05.56 | bzdoug | maybe |
| 17:06.02 | bzdoug | maybe KY is just backwards |
| 17:06.33 | Nidhoggr | not a bad idea. |
| 17:06.50 | bzdoug | ah, lunch |
| 17:06.51 | bzdoug | bbl |
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| 17:22.57 | Nidhoggr | hrm... maybe I can do -d -d -d -d and pipe to a program to separate out the stuff that is more complex to a separate log, so you could see how is sending the MsgShotEnd messages. |
| 17:24.53 | Nidhoggr | s/how/who |
| 17:30.12 | bzgirl | Nidhoggr: can you do operations on a running server log, like sed and stuff? |
| 17:30.45 | bzgirl | or you have to use pipes? |
| 17:30.48 | Nidhoggr | you problably can... so far I've been unsuccessful, but I haven't tried all that hard. |
| 17:30.54 | Nidhoggr | I think I'm gunna have to use pipes. |
| 17:31.20 | Nidhoggr | pipe to a perl script that can seperate out stuff to different logs. |
| 17:31.22 | Nidhoggr | that should work. |
| 17:32.00 | Nidhoggr | another thing that would be cool is to have a more secretive observer mode. |
| 17:33.57 | bzdoug | -d -d -d -d slows down the server a little bit |
| 17:40.23 | Nidhoggr | had a guy with a jump cheat the other day, and the second he saw someone in observer, he avoided jumping. |
| 17:40.41 | bzdoug | hah |
| 17:41.21 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:41.22 | bzdoug | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:41.34 | Nidhoggr | I imaging an observer mode that is activated within the game if you have proper permissions, and it allows you to switch back and forth. |
| 17:41.57 | bzdoug | so you can play, then become @? |
| 17:42.20 | Nidhoggr | it wouldn't show you as @ |
| 17:42.24 | Nidhoggr | that's the point. |
| 17:42.29 | bzdoug | oh, right :) |
| 17:42.42 | Nidhoggr | it'd allow you to look around and stuff, but no one knows that you are looking. |
| 17:43.01 | bzdoug | hehee |
| 17:43.02 | Nidhoggr | then you'd keep your score, and wouldn't draw attention by switching to @ |
| 17:43.12 | bzdoug | yea |
| 17:43.46 | bzgirl | you could join a second time with the ncurses client |
| 17:43.59 | bzdoug | but that has the @ |
| 17:44.00 | bzgirl | ahh, theys still see the @ you mean? |
| 17:44.05 | bzdoug | yep |
| 17:48.29 | bzdoug | woo |
| 17:48.34 | bzdoug | pinging with ipv6 |
| 17:48.37 | Nidhoggr | I'm using the ncurses client now. |
| 17:48.46 | Nidhoggr | I use it a lot during the day from work. |
| 17:49.05 | Nidhoggr | people think you are watching them, so they are a little less abusive. |
| 17:49.18 | bzdoug | yea |
| 17:50.12 | bzdoug | hmm, too bad IPv6 isnt popular, then NATs would be useless |
| 17:50.13 | bzdoug | :) |
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| 18:05.39 | Nidhoggr | what level of -d would you need to see MsgShotEnd messages? |
| 18:05.46 | Nidhoggr | and how much do the -d flags slow down a server? |
| 18:06.12 | bzdoug | not sure |
| 18:06.15 | bzdoug | pat did it |
| 18:06.21 | bzdoug | and the server was LAGY |
| 18:06.27 | bzdoug | unusable |
| 18:06.34 | bzdoug | but it was also an unstable version |
| 18:06.42 | bzdoug | so it might be ok now |
| 18:06.50 | Nidhoggr | I'll ask around |
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| 18:45.54 | Nidhoggr | well, I'm turning on -dddd on dragon.org and seeing how the output is. |
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| 20:51.13 | Noodleman | m00 |
| 20:54.25 | Nidhoggr | m0000000! |
| 20:54.53 | Nidhoggr | noodle... have you seen "Kung Pow - Enter the Fist"? |
| 21:01.49 | larsl_56k | ~xmission |
| 21:02.30 | larsl_56k | Green smbd is rejoining whenever an enemy is at his base. |
| 21:04.54 | sussudio | so wait for him with a steamroller |
| 21:04.59 | larsl_56k | There should be a -lagban option similar to the -lagdrop option to bzfs. Some players just keep rejoining when they have been kicked for being to laggy. |
| 21:05.10 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 21:05.43 | larsl_56k | -lagban 10 would set a 10 minute ban on a players IP when the player is lagkicked. |
| 21:06.02 | Nidhoggr | that's a good idea. |
| 21:06.25 | Nidhoggr | I'm going to start working on a perl logfile parser. |
| 21:07.37 | larsl_56k | What will it extract? |
| 21:08.04 | Nidhoggr | right now I want to track specific usernames from individual IPs... |
| 21:08.05 | Nidhoggr | and |
| 21:08.20 | Nidhoggr | something that'll detect MsgShotEnd hacks |
| 21:08.34 | Nidhoggr | also parse for swearing, etc. |
| 21:08.54 | Nidhoggr | at some point, it'd be nice to be able to have it log in and do bans, etc. |
| 21:09.11 | larsl_56k | Are the shot messages actually logged? |
| 21:09.20 | Nidhoggr | that's what I'm trying to find out. |
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| 21:09.46 | Nidhoggr | if they are then I'll be happy. if not, then someone needs to come out with a bugfix asap. |
| 21:10.37 | larsl_56k | I could add an option to bzadmin to run a list of commands and exit if you need a command line admin tool. |
| 21:10.49 | Nidhoggr | that would so TOTALLY rule. |
| 21:11.12 | larsl_56k | It would be really easy too. =) |
| 21:11.29 | Nidhoggr | I really appreciate all the work you've put in on bzadmin, larz. |
| 21:11.32 | Nidhoggr | lars even |
| 21:11.48 | Nidhoggr | it's the one big thing I've been asking for since I first started running a server. |
| 21:12.00 | larsl_56k | I wanted to learn ncurses, and it's nice to do something useful as well. |
| 21:12.21 | Nidhoggr | small suggestion... control-u should clear the current input line. :) |
| 21:12.47 | larsl_56k | OK, that is also a really simple change. |
| 21:14.00 | Nidhoggr | I type huge lines sometimes then notice a mistake at the beginning. |
| 21:14.02 | Nidhoggr | :) |
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| 21:17.12 | Nidhoggr | I could then have the perl script call bzadmin to execute commands and exit. that's be really awesome. |
| 21:17.29 | Nidhoggr | that'd |
| 21:18.50 | [dmp] | ~d |
| 21:18.54 | Nidhoggr | I finally adjusted the script I use to start bzfs to date stamp the log filenames |
| 21:21.12 | Nidhoggr | so, I have it running in a sandbox as user "nobody" and logging by date stamped logs. |
| 21:21.13 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:24.22 | Nidhoggr | ~bzflist |
| 21:40.47 | larsl_56k | Hmm, how are team messages sent now? |
| 21:41.37 | Nidhoggr | not certain. |
| 21:41.44 | Nidhoggr | they look the same in the logs |
| 21:41.52 | Nidhoggr | as a regular message |
| 21:42.35 | larsl_56k | I meant the binary network format. It seems to have changed. |
| 21:42.52 | Nidhoggr | *shrug* dunno, sorry. |
| 21:44.06 | Chestal | larsl: messages are now adressed to a player only |
| 21:44.14 | Chestal | larsl: there are some magic player numbers |
| 21:44.24 | Chestal | larsl: for no player, all players and oen for each team |
| 21:45.39 | larsl_56k | Chestal: Thanks. |
| 21:45.51 | larsl_56k | Where are the team magic numbers defined? |
| 21:46.00 | Chestal | nowhere really :-) |
| 21:46.15 | Chestal | I've taken the code from 1.8, in playing.cxx there are two functions to map from id to team and vice versa |
| 21:46.34 | Chestal | guess they're called teamtoplayerid |
| 21:46.35 | larsl_56k | Ah. |
| 21:46.43 | Chestal | 250-team# or somethng |
| 21:47.05 | Chestal | ok, good night |
| 21:47.17 | larsl_56k | 246-250. |
| 21:47.18 | larsl_56k | Thanks. |
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| 21:48.50 | captain_proton | yay i'm back |
| 21:49.02 | scanline | yay |
| 21:49.32 | larsl_56k | Hello. |
| 21:49.45 | captain_proton | hiya scanline, larsl_56k |
| 21:49.52 | Nidhoggr | hi capt |
| 21:50.02 | scanline | yikes, hail |
| 21:50.11 | Nidhoggr | eek |
| 21:50.20 | Nidhoggr | get the car in the garage! :) |
| 21:50.41 | captain_proton | so...california sucks |
| 21:50.42 | scanline | sounds like someone's throwing marbles at the window |
| 21:50.52 | captain_proton | for one, i can't tell how anybody is capable of breathing in LA |
| 21:51.08 | captain_proton | and the area where we were doing this party thing was up in the mountains, and it was a really crappy excuse for colorado |
| 21:51.17 | Nidhoggr | I'm kinda worried... our dewpoint is climbing, so we'll see monsoon season in the next week or so. |
| 21:51.25 | scanline | captain_proton: pollution, or just a high-level bogon field clogging up the air? |
| 21:51.26 | Nidhoggr | it was up to 46 today. |
| 21:51.48 | captain_proton | scanline: pollution |
| 21:52.58 | scanline | captain_proton: that was one of the cool things about my vacation to Victoria, BC last year... even easier to breathe than in boulder :) |
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| 21:54.25 | saltwaterfreak | newbie question: how do I join the trilug bzflag server |
| 21:54.39 | larsl_56k | Nidhoggr: Your server is 1.7g2, right? |
| 21:56.41 | captain_proton | whoa |
| 21:56.53 | captain_proton | i just got an email from a friend that i haven't seen in...6 years |
| 22:02.29 | Nidhoggr | larsl, yes. |
| 22:02.34 | Nidhoggr | well... hrm... it will be. |
| 22:02.45 | Nidhoggr | it's still just prior to g2 |
| 22:02.49 | Nidhoggr | when I restart it will be. |
| 22:03.01 | Nidhoggr | haven't restarted in a few days. |
| 22:03.17 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:03.39 | Noodleman | monsoon season? what's that? ;-) |
| 22:03.44 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 22:03.49 | Nidhoggr | it's evil, that's what it is. |
| 22:03.57 | Noodleman | i don't even know what rain is |
| 22:04.00 | Nidhoggr | humidity high and temps high. |
| 22:04.22 | Noodleman | it rains maybe a half-dozen times a year where i'm at |
| 22:04.38 | Nidhoggr | it's when the dewpoint reaches 52ish degrees, and the temps are over 105 pretty much every day. |
| 22:04.52 | Noodleman | yucky |
| 22:04.54 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 22:05.10 | Nidhoggr | swamp coolers don't work during monsoon season. |
| 22:05.20 | Nidhoggr | the air has too much moisture in it for them to work. |
| 22:05.59 | Noodleman | which state are you in, again? |
| 22:06.05 | captain_proton | ok i'm confused |
| 22:06.16 | captain_proton | scanline: wtf are you doing helping people in the support tracker for bzflag? |
| 22:07.25 | scanline | =) |
| 22:07.32 | scanline | to confuse you, of course |
| 22:10.55 | captain_proton | kicrabbit player %s... |
| 22:11.38 | Nidhoggr | arizona |
| 22:11.43 | Nidhoggr | arid-zona-ah! |
| 22:12.13 | captain_proton | you guys have been busy the last 4 days... :) |
| 22:12.39 | sussudio | does bzfs have a say in rendering users at all? |
| 22:13.10 | larsl_56k | sussudio: No, it just relays the packets. |
| 22:13.17 | sussudio | ah, thought so.... |
| 22:14.06 | sussudio | if i, for instance, change gravity or speed ever so slighty, i will see clients behave at that value, but they will perceive me at their value, making it possible for them to see me in one spot, but for me to be in the other, sort of a lag effect |
| 22:15.30 | captain_proton | sussudio: no |
| 22:15.39 | captain_proton | clients send their position, not their velocity |
| 22:15.39 | sussudio | no? |
| 22:15.41 | larsl_56k | No, I think the clients sends positional updates to each other (relayed by the server). |
| 22:15.45 | captain_proton | well, both |
| 22:16.07 | larsl_56k | So if you change your gravity you will appear to fall faster. |
| 22:16.25 | captain_proton | if you change a value (like gravity), it will affect your own motion and probably (but not necessarily noticibly) the dead reckoning on other players |
| 22:17.19 | Nidhoggr | hrm. -dddd won't help find someone with MsgEndShot hack |
| 22:17.43 | sussudio | have you tried -ddddddddddddddddmeowkittyiwantchickeniwantlivermeowmixmeowmixpleasedeliver? |
| 22:17.52 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 22:19.13 | Nidhoggr | I suppose I could run an strace on the bzfs process while it's happening. |
| 22:20.08 | Nidhoggr | definitely need shot end sanity checking, though. |
| 22:20.41 | larsl_56k | Yes. |
| 22:20.52 | captain_proton | strace doesn't help a huge amount |
| 22:20.55 | larsl_56k | But it requires the server to know where everyone is and to compute collisions. |
| 22:21.03 | captain_proton | usually adding more debug spew and watching packet captures works pretty well :) |
| 22:21.08 | captain_proton | larsl_56k: we want that :) |
| 22:21.13 | larsl_56k | Or at least some sort of fuzzy collisions. |
| 22:21.46 | Nidhoggr | well, if I could see who is sending excessive "MsgShotEnd" messages, it'd be pretty easy to ban them. |
| 22:22.51 | larsl_56k | Right now it's probably easier to hack a client to detect stuff like that. |
| 22:23.10 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 22:23.35 | Nidhoggr | hrm... how about switches in admin client to allow certain messages to be displayed? |
| 22:23.51 | Nidhoggr | right now it ignores those things, right? |
| 22:24.29 | larsl_56k | If you mean bzadmin, yes. It ignores everything except chat and players joining/leaving. |
| 22:25.08 | Nidhoggr | if you could do a sort of grep feature to allow certain messages to be displayed, that might be cool. |
| 22:25.24 | sussudio | Nidhoggr: you could probably hack bzfs to make msgshotend counters for players |
| 22:26.09 | sussudio | maybe put that in bzadmin |
| 22:26.17 | Nidhoggr | hrm. good point |
| 22:26.31 | larsl_56k | Are you sure that they are sending too many ShotEnds? Aren't they just sending them at the wrong times? |
| 22:27.37 | Nidhoggr | the hack is that one client is sending MsgShotEnd to every shot, or shots that are near specific people, or combinations of people. |
| 22:30.20 | Nidhoggr | it's wierd to watch. |
| 22:30.37 | Nidhoggr | you get closer and closer to the person and shoot, and the shots explode right before they get to them. |
| 22:30.47 | larsl_56k | Ah. |
| 22:30.59 | Nidhoggr | but it's not always the cheater who is invulnerable. |
| 22:31.15 | larsl_56k | A counter in the server that matches ShotBegins with ShotEnds for each client might be enough. |
| 22:31.35 | larsl_56k | Uh, no. Forget that. |
| 22:31.47 | Nidhoggr | person getting shot sends shot end, too. |
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| 22:38.00 | Tupone | captain_proton: welcome back |
| 22:38.06 | captain_proton | thanks |
| 22:40.31 | Tupone | If you look at cvs I put something that let you change the version 1.9a0 on configure.in to whatever you want e.g. 1.9a0-cvs300603. |
| 22:40.54 | Tupone | That is used for printing. The BZVERSION is still used for protocol |
| 22:41.20 | Tupone | For now they are the same! |
| 22:44.06 | larsl_56k | It would be nice to find a way to get CVS to automatically append -cvs<DATE> to the version on every commit. |
| 22:44.27 | larsl_56k | I looked at the keyword substitution, but appearently they only work on single files. |
| 22:46.34 | larsl_56k | Maybe there is a way to do it with triggered scripts (like CIA) ? |
| 22:47.40 | Tupone | Don't know if there are some compiler macro to get date of compiling? |
| 22:48.03 | Tupone | No! Must be date of checkout |
| 22:48.36 | larsl_56k | Or latest commit. |
| 22:49.04 | larsl_56k | With latest commit it would be possible to compare versions that were checked out at different times. |
| 22:49.40 | captain_proton | hmm |
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| 22:50.53 | captain_proton | it might be possible with a triggered script, but it would make our revision history a mess |
| 22:50.56 | captain_proton | oh wait |
| 22:51.03 | captain_proton | cvs does revisions per file :P |
| 22:51.25 | larsl_56k | What if we stored the version in a separate file, and had a script to commit a change to that file whenever someone committed something else? |
| 22:51.51 | Tupone | billion of version ?! |
| 22:52.28 | larsl_56k | If we get billions of commits, I'll be happy. =) |
| 22:53.11 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 22:53.37 | larsl_56k | It might work if there is a way to see which files have been committed (otherwise we'd get infinite recursion). |
| 22:54.10 | Tupone | There is a way to see that on cvs script |
| 22:54.27 | larsl_56k | Nice. |
| 22:54.39 | Tupone | What about commit the same day? |
| 22:54.58 | larsl_56k | We could use the UNIX timestamp. =) |
| 22:55.16 | captain_proton | i think yyyymmddhhss works ok :) |
| 22:55.24 | captain_proton | but this is all moot |
| 22:55.24 | larsl_56k | bzflag-1.9a-cvs1010345885 ! |
| 22:55.29 | captain_proton | because the protocol version is the same :P |
| 22:55.39 | larsl_56k | Not while we're hacking it. |
| 22:55.50 | captain_proton | yes |
| 22:55.53 | captain_proton | the protocol version is numeric |
| 22:56.24 | larsl_56k | Yes. |
| 22:56.29 | Tupone | Protocol version is taken from BZVERSION |
| 22:56.52 | Tupone | That string came now from version that is a string |
| 22:57.05 | larsl_56k | But two bzflags with the same protocol version doesn't neccesarily work together right now. |
| 22:57.20 | captain_proton | larsl_56k: and changing the version string will not affect the protocol version number |
| 22:57.28 | bryjen | not until theres a stable 1.9 |
| 22:57.53 | larsl_56k | And it would be a nice way to name binary snapshots of the CVS code for CVS-challenged alpha testers. =) |
| 22:59.26 | larsl_56k | And source snapshots, for that matter. 'make dist' would produce bzflag-1.9a0-$DATE.tar.gz automagically. |
| 22:59.53 | Tupone | If we get the latest file in a three list of checkout? I think co is taking the recorded date. |
| 23:00.55 | captain_proton | larsl_56k: patlabor221 wanted that, but i have no clue how to make it work for vc++ |
| 23:00.55 | Tupone | We shoud remove all the autogenerated file :( |
| 23:01.34 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 23:02.00 | Tupone | We can eventually make a script to get the latest source in the co |
| 23:02.25 | Tupone | when we run autogen |
| 23:03.02 | Tupone | then we get that file date and subs in configure.in |
| 23:06.04 | captain_proton | Tupone: we can't -require- things in autogen, the highest level we can require variables is at the config.h level |
| 23:06.08 | captain_proton | because of win32, etc |
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| 23:06.33 | captain_proton | if we're going to do some sort of automatic date bumping, it probably will have to be with a loginfo script |
| 23:06.38 | captain_proton | but thats messy :P |
| 23:07.02 | Tupone | But we can do something, at least, when you make snapshot |
| 23:07.13 | scanline | well, even subversion doesn't have a good way to substitute in the last date/revision for the whole repository into one file |
| 23:07.30 | scanline | if you use an $Id$ or $Rev$ tag it only refers to that particular file |
| 23:08.00 | scanline | you could take after gcc and have a cron job that bumps a date in version.h somewhere :) |
| 23:08.47 | scanline | in PGBuild I have $Id$ tags in each file, and at startup it scans itself to find the latest revision number :) |
| 23:09.22 | captain_proton | scanline: but subversion has easier access to files within the repository |
| 23:09.46 | captain_proton | so a trigger script could do a replacement in a version.h file without actually changing the revision |
| 23:10.24 | scanline | a trigger script where? |
| 23:10.59 | captain_proton | in the server |
| 23:11.01 | scanline | I asked some svn developers about this and they said there's no good way to do it yet |
| 23:11.26 | scanline | if you put something in post-commit to update a revision number it would have to do a commit itself... so every other revision would just be there to change the revision number |
| 23:11.30 | Tupone | What happens if you want to get a day-before version? Version string will be the newer one |
| 23:12.36 | larsl_56k | Yeah, it's not really about the protocol. |
| 23:12.50 | Tupone | Problem is only comparing bug between version! I suppose |
| 23:13.56 | captain_proton | larsl_56k: 'cvs status' is a nice thing :P |
| 23:14.59 | captain_proton | the only possible benefit i can see is being able to clientquery and then smack someone for complaining about bugs that are already fixed |
| 23:15.52 | larsl_56k | And providing snapshots where the user can tell us exactly which CVS version he was using when something happened. |
| 23:16.51 | bryjen | other than the usual "update to the latest, try again, and report if it still happens" ;) |
| 23:16.52 | larsl_56k | Or she. |
| 23:18.07 | captain_proton | larsl_56k: they can do that via 'cvs history' and telling us the date |
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| 23:19.20 | BZSpiff | Hey all. :-) |
| 23:19.34 | BZSpiff | Are there any CTF-League players here? |
| 23:20.01 | DTRemenak | hello spiff |
| 23:20.01 | captain_proton | err, not cvs history |
| 23:20.16 | BZSpiff | Yo DTR. :) |
| 23:20.49 | BZSpiff | Maaaaaaan. I want a match. |
| 23:22.34 | DTRemenak | I'd offer, but I don't see any other USDers online |
| 23:24.15 | CIA | larsl changed Patches 745567 (bzadmin: Curses-based text client): |
| 23:25.01 | larsl_56k | That's only a bzadmin for 1.9. I'll put the new features into the 1.7 version later. |
| 23:25.48 | captain_proton | larsl_56k: does ctrl+u work as in readline or differently? |
| 23:25.59 | captain_proton | ctrl+u should clear to the beginning, ctrl+k clear to the end =) |
| 23:26.24 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:26.35 | larsl_56k | Ctrl-U clears everything. |
| 23:26.39 | larsl_56k | Hmm, readline... |
| 23:27.03 | captain_proton | readline won't work with curses ;) |
| 23:27.09 | larsl_56k | Really? |
| 23:27.30 | captain_proton | yeah...its a terminal thing |
| 23:27.45 | larsl_56k | Bleh. |
| 23:27.58 | captain_proton | you could always get rid of curses and just use readline :) |
| 23:28.08 | BZSpiff | DTR- benson is on. But I won't match you guys. You're too good of friends. :) |
| 23:28.21 | larsl_56k | No, I like curses. |
| 23:28.46 | scanline | or, you could just make a bzadmin emacs mode |
| 23:28.55 | larsl_56k | If I could find a decent widget library for it I'd write all my UIs in ncurses. =) |
| 23:29.05 | DTRemenak | Spiff: call it practice :) |
| 23:30.59 | DTRemenak | besides, I don't think we can have an official match unless KR or Cat are online |
| 23:31.26 | larsl_56k | Time to sleep. |
| 23:33.44 | captain_proton | scanline: `haha |
| 23:37.13 | captain_proton | sheesh |
| 23:37.21 | captain_proton | scanline: you need to transcode some of those wasabi recordings... |
| 23:37.27 | scanline | yeah yeah... |
| 23:37.37 | bryjen | ~ducati |
| 23:37.42 | Noodlebot | ducati is down |
| 23:37.44 | scanline | need to put something together that can use mythtv's cutlists to skip the commercials |
| 23:38.14 | scanline | captain_proton: http://navi.picogui.org/cgi-bin/disks.cgi <-- new and improved! |
| 23:38.42 | captain_proton | ooh neat |
| 23:38.46 | captain_proton | whats generating the graphs? |
| 23:38.50 | scanline | some code I wrote |
| 23:38.53 | scanline | uses PIL |
| 23:39.22 | bryjen | Noodlebot: forget ducati |
| 23:39.23 | Noodlebot | i forgot 'ducati' |
| 23:39.26 | captain_proton | neat |
| 23:39.30 | scanline | it's actually kinda gross... PIL doesn't do antialiasing on arcs it seems, so it oversamples it by drawing it 3x as large then scaling it down |
| 23:39.35 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 23:39.48 | captain_proton | i especially like the drop shadow |
| 23:39.52 | scanline | :) |
| 23:40.06 | scanline | most of that code is now shared between disks.cgi and cia_stats.cgi |
| 23:40.20 | BZSpiff | True DTR. Forgot about that. Well.... could've been fun... but bens is gone. :( C-ya later all. |
| 23:40.20 | scanline | so it's really easy to use that navi_cgi module to make new CGIs in the same format |
| 23:40.37 | captain_proton | you mean the whole 'hide this section' etc? |
| 23:40.41 | scanline | yep |
| 23:40.57 | scanline | and dispatching functions to generate individual sections and images |
| 23:41.05 | scanline | captain_proton: actually, that's what I've been doing all yesterday and today |
| 23:41.09 | captain_proton | who woulda thought you'd end up as a web monkey? :) |
| 23:41.10 | scanline | the pie chart thing was friday |
| 23:41.18 | scanline | =) |
| 23:41.58 | scanline | although I have to say that knowing python I dislike web-stuff far less than I used to |
| 23:42.07 | captain_proton | heh |
| 23:42.23 | captain_proton | i felt that way when i learned php |
| 23:42.51 | scanline | php never interested me that much |
| 23:43.00 | scanline | all I ever ended up using it for was the old picogui.org |
| 23:43.03 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-62-11-12-134.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 23:43.09 | captain_proton | well - at the time i was doing some heavy database work |
| 23:43.16 | captain_proton | and its good at databases |
| 23:43.19 | scanline | ah |
| 23:44.45 | captain_proton | only time i used it recently was for this whole SMNP/SQL monster for the wireless :) |
| 23:44.55 | captain_proton | and i probably would have used python had i knew it :) |
| 23:45.07 | scanline | it's odd though.. the charts in disks.cgi use the output of 'df' and convert it to GB and such and figure out the totals and percent itself |
| 23:45.17 | scanline | and the totals it calculates are different than what you see in df |
| 23:46.09 | captain_proton | i think df always rounds up with -h |
| 23:46.33 | scanline | that could be it |
| 23:46.52 | scanline | but 429.93GB an 453GB is a big difference |
| 23:46.57 | scanline | a/an/and |
| 23:47.23 | scanline | hm... maybe df -h is using multiples of 1000 rather than 1024? |
| 23:47.59 | scanline | nope |
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| 23:49.03 | scanline | well, technically GB = billion and GiB = 1024^3, but the disk manufacturers are just abusing that |
| 23:49.33 | captain_proton | no |
| 23:49.41 | bryjen | eeewww gibibytes or whatever nonsense :P |
| 23:49.44 | captain_proton | GB = 1024^3 and GiB = billion |
| 23:50.03 | captain_proton | but they write GB and then qualify it by saying that GB means a billion bytes |
| 23:50.20 | bryjen | lies, damn lies, and marketing |
| 23:50.51 | bryjen | a progression of evil |
| 23:50.54 | scanline | captain_proton: eh.. you sure? GB is still part of the SI standard, and GiB is something they tacked on for binary units |
| 23:51.06 | captain_proton | scanline: in terms of computers, yes |
| 23:51.08 | scanline | of course nobody actually uses GiB, because it sucks so much |
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| 23:51.32 | captain_proton | just because they're SI prefixes does not mean that its SI |
| 23:51.46 | captain_proton | it was "close enough" when they 'standardized' the words :) |
| 23:51.49 | scanline | captain_proton: but that's why someone was trying to separate out the binary usage into a different term... it's ambiguous |
| 23:52.19 | captain_proton | and then people started getting it wrong, so they invented GiB in order to make it easy to just truncate numbers |
| 23:52.28 | Patlabor221 | what planet is this!? |
| 23:52.45 | captain_proton | scanline: SGI uses GiB to mean 1000 ;) |
| 23:52.52 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: california sucks |
| 23:52.53 | scanline | captain_proton: that's... got to be wrong |
| 23:53.05 | Patlabor221 | where are you? |
| 23:53.10 | captain_proton | back in CO |
| 23:53.14 | captain_proton | thankfully |
| 23:53.16 | Patlabor221 | where did you go? |
| 23:53.22 | bryjen | ibot: seen prot-vacation |
| 23:53.23 | | i haven't seen 'prot-vacation ', bryjen |
| 23:53.24 | captain_proton | big bear lake |
| 23:53.29 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 23:53.30 | captain_proton | it was like a really crappy version of colorado |
| 23:53.38 | Patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 23:53.43 | Patlabor221 | but it's what we got that is close |
| 23:53.46 | scanline | http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html |
| 23:54.04 | Patlabor221 | I prefer Mammoth |
| 23:54.15 | bryjen | ibot: AYT? |
| 23:54.16 | | bryjen: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 23:54.26 | Patlabor221 | why would you go to Big Bear now? |
| 23:54.31 | Patlabor221 | it's only good cus of sonw |
| 23:54.41 | captain_proton | because thats where the party was |
| 23:54.54 | Patlabor221 | well ya do have to go where the party is |
| 23:55.01 | Patlabor221 | you were still 5 hours away from me |
| 23:55.10 | captain_proton | where exactly are you? |
| 23:55.17 | captain_proton | because if you're anywhere near LA, how do you breathe? |
| 23:55.28 | Patlabor221 | bout an hour north west of LA |
| 23:55.34 | Patlabor221 | we don't get there smog |
| 23:55.41 | scanline | captain_proton: probably the same way people in Louisiana or Texas breathe |
| 23:55.52 | Patlabor221 | ocean blows that over to san bernidino |
| 23:55.59 | bryjen | hehe. upwind |
| 23:56.07 | Patlabor221 | yeah we are upwind |
| 23:56.11 | Patlabor221 | helps to be west of LA |
| 23:56.46 | Patlabor221 | little hot today, but a nice little wind has piced up. it's pleasant today |
| 23:57.06 | Patlabor221 | Cap, I am closer to ventura then LA proper |
| 23:57.14 | Nidhoggr | heya patlabor221 |
| 23:57.20 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 23:57.28 | Patlabor221 | como estas usted? |
| 23:57.39 | Nidhoggr | not too bad, y tu? |
| 23:57.46 | Patlabor221 | I'm ok |
| 23:57.55 | Patlabor221 | did yard work tho :( |
| 23:57.59 | Nidhoggr | eek! |
| 23:58.18 | Nidhoggr | no yard work for me right now. it's been 108+ all week |
| 23:58.29 | Patlabor221 | it's 95ish here now I think |
| 23:58.40 | Patlabor221 | I did it at 9am before it got nasty |
| 23:58.46 | Nidhoggr | that's good. |
| 23:58.56 | Patlabor221 | ohh cap, I got the CowboyBebop movie, and the music to it. |
| 23:59.04 | Patlabor221 | I was done by 11:30 |
| 23:59.15 | Nidhoggr | we have a plumber who is supposed to fix our sprinkler system, and he's been promising every day for the last week that it'll be "by morning" |
| 23:59.21 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: subbed? |
| 23:59.30 | scanline | captain_proton: evan has the cowboy bebop movei |
| 23:59.31 | Patlabor221 | I have the DVD |
| 23:59.32 | scanline | er, movie |
| 23:59.32 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 23:59.40 | captain_proton | scanline: ah right |
| 23:59.55 | captain_proton | we should make him bring it on weds :) |
| 23:59.59 | captain_proton | oh wait, no dvd |
| 23:59.59 | scanline | indeed |