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00:04.32captain_protonhrm
00:05.28captain_protoni could write some graphics code that makes their grad student's bus stop look like child's play :)
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00:06.49captain_protonhmm
00:06.52captain_proton"In the future, we hope to expand the use of the Virtual Bus Stop code base for other projects at the center, including Virtual Archaeology and Immersive Interactive Art. "
00:09.55CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (8 files in 2 dirs): CommandLine.Parser is now a little smarter about processing its keyword arguments, and traceproxy now correctly runs the server and client through the same event loop.
00:09.55scanlinewho could possibly want a virtual bus stop?
00:09.58scanlinereal ones are boring enough
00:10.19captain_protonscanline: it was a collaboration with L3D on "virtual prototyping"
00:10.32captain_protonL3D had come up with this weird computerized bus stop, so the bp center vized it
00:10.38scanlinesilly idea
00:10.41captain_protonquite
00:10.58captain_protonits got a 6-quad rtd bus, too!
00:11.11scanlineoooh!
00:11.14scanlinewith textures?
00:11.18captain_protonyep!
00:11.28scanlineneato
00:11.33captain_protonits a 128
00:11.42captain_protonwagon road via westlake
00:12.21scanlineso.. the bus arrives, it stops.. what else does it do? are there people?
00:12.30scanlinedo the people in the simulation get free bus passes?
00:14.41captain_protonthere aren't people
00:14.48captain_protonbut you can walk around the bus stop
00:14.49captain_protonand move things
00:14.51captain_protonlike the benches
00:15.24scanlineI guess the bus driver needs something like that to do, without any passengers
00:17.47Mayhemwho in their right mind designs a bus-stop with movable bits? you want it all bolted down.
00:21.57bryjenso, to be more realistic, they shouldnt be moving the objects, but spray painting them? ;)
00:22.26Mayhemyes, that would be much more lifelike.
00:25.52Mayhemperhaps you could hack it so that bz tanks roll up to the bus stop :)
00:26.31david_vlol
00:27.41Mayhemand passengers can hop on the tank and fire the mounted machine gun. oh, whoops, thats ET :)
00:28.51david_vno too little :)
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01:11.58scanlinecaptain_proton: aside from the messages pybzflag still doesn't implement, it looks like traceproxy works
01:15.54captain_protonneat
01:20.24scanlinebzflag's CIA commits seem to be broken or really lagged
01:20.36captain_protonprobably lagged
01:25.51learnerdo we prefer comment/documentation in headers or source here?
01:26.35learneralso, do we prefer classes to be inlined (in cxx files) or with clear separation (class declaration in h, implementation in cxx)
01:27.41learner:)
01:28.06learnereieeee! .. :)
01:28.14CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (traceproxy.py): Adding --names option for traceproxy
01:28.20CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
01:28.21CIAFixed a bug in traceproxy preventing messages from it's client to its server
01:28.22CIAfrom being sent. Now traceproxy works!
01:28.39CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added a hex dump for data fields
01:28.39CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (traceproxy.py): Make hex dump respect word size, sort message field names
01:29.01JBDiGrizI was just watching asdf and spiff playing 1 v 1 ctf.
01:29.22learnerinteresting.. :)  I bet asdf was leading?
01:29.31JBDiGrizYou'd win that bet
01:29.42JBDiGrizbut it wasn't by much
01:30.00captain_protonlearner: i'd like javadoc-style comments in the headers
01:30.15captain_protonand for the most part, separating classes out is good
01:30.30captain_protonnot always necessary, if classes are tiny
01:31.02learnerok, cool deal
01:33.19CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (traceproxy.py): Added options to show and hide individual messages
01:33.46learnerhmm.. I notice the whitespace change has added tabs back in, are we no longer using 2-char indentation?
01:34.20scanlineIs there any documentation yet for the UDP-related protocol messages?
01:35.26captain_protonlearner: shiftwidth 2, tabstop 8
01:35.37captain_protoni'd like to get rid of tabs completely, but for now they're still there
01:36.33learnerhmm.. my file _had_ 2/8, now it's all tabified
01:39.46CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): allow people to disable compilation of screenshots, per tim's request
01:40.36learnertim requested that the option be optional?
01:43.35CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Protocol (3 files): Add MsgSetTTL, move MsgShotBegin from FromServer to Common
01:43.55learnerwhere's that documentation site that corresponds to the doxygen++ comments?
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01:45.03captain_protonlearner: for some reason
01:45.41captain_protoni have a somewhat oldish (couple days) tree at http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/bz-doxy
01:46.17learnernah, I just want to see some file examples for style
01:46.28captain_protoninclude/FileManager.h
01:47.01learnermmm...
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01:47.47SGIhi
01:48.13Noodlemanmoo
01:48.18CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (Network.py): Sockets returned by accept() need TCP_NODELAY too
01:48.37learneroink
01:48.48scanlinesqueegie
01:48.49SGIboink
01:51.44CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/win32 (config.h): turn on snapping for the windows kids too
01:54.17SGI[[[[[[[
02:00.00CIA03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (MediaFile.h): updated ex: whitespace setting to 2/8
02:00.37CIA03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (WordFilter.h): separated definition from implementation, added header, fixed whitespace
02:04.47CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Protocol (3 files): Added MsgKilled and MsgShotEnd to ToServer
02:06.39CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Protocol (Common.py): typo
02:12.08CIA03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/common (FileManager.cxx): updated ex: whitespace setting to 2/8
02:13.50scanlinelearner: hmm.. your server down?
02:14.45learnerapparently
02:15.35learnerback up
02:16.17fiberchunks5 minute cron job?
02:16.50learnersomething like that.. if not running, make it run hmmm
02:19.51learnerwhat's the ps/grep trick to ignore the grep process?
02:20.23captain_proton| grep -v grep ? :)
02:20.31learnerah, yes.. thx
02:20.52CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Protocol (ToServer.py): Added MsgGrabFlag to ToServer
02:21.01captain_protonyay
02:21.02captain_protonhttp://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/bz-doxy/classWordFilter.html
02:21.55learnercool
02:22.22learnerI assume the repeated section will go away when I finish updating the cxx file
02:24.29captain_protonlike
02:24.32captain_protonlikely*
02:36.11CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (traceproxy.py): traceproxy now descends into substructs when dumping messages, so messages containing flag status are now displayed in a more useful way
02:37.35CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Protocol (ToServer.py): Add MsgDropFlag to ToServer
02:50.51scanlinehmm
02:51.11scanlineI'm gettin ga MsgSetTTL from the client, but the protocol doc only talks about it being sent from the server
02:52.19scanlineis the message identical in both directions?
02:52.59scanlinehm, looks like it
02:54.32captain_protonMsgSetTTL will likely be going away
02:54.43captain_protonit shouldn't be used right now, since multicast is disabled
02:54.54scanlinewell, the client is sending it
02:54.57CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (5 files in 2 dirs): use the command version of quit
02:54.58scanline--> MsgSetTTL
02:54.58scanline<PROTECTED>
02:55.07captain_protoninteresting
02:55.48scanlinealso, I'm still getting an unknown message 0x6F66.. appears to be MsgUDPLinkRequest, but there's no section for it in the protocol wiki
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02:56.39MrApathyCreamawwlll captain_proton remembered the lil people
02:58.32scanline--> MsgUDPLinkRequest
02:58.32scanline<PROTECTED>
02:59.48MrApathyCreamsmells like a port to me
02:59.58scanlineyep, just found that in bzfs.cxx
03:00.27MrApathyCream<PROTECTED>
03:00.27MrApathyCream::memset((unsigned char *)&serv_addr, 0, sizeof(serv_addr));
03:00.27MrApathyCreamserv_addr.sin_family = AF_INET;
03:00.27MrApathyCreamserv_addr.sin_addr.s_addr = htonl(INADDR_ANY);
03:00.27MrApathyCreamserv_addr.sin_port = htons(portno);
03:00.28MrApathyCreamif (bind(urecvfd, (struct sockaddr *) &serv_addr, sizeof(serv_addr)) == 0) {
03:00.30MrApathyCreambreak;
03:00.32MrApathyCream}
03:02.46scanlineeasier to look for the code that unpacks the message though :P
03:02.57scanlinelooks like MsgUDPLinkUpdate isn't used any more
03:03.19learnerhttp://brlcad.org/tmp/ensureProcess.sh
03:03.25learnercool, now it should stay up
03:04.36MrApathyCreami think the theory is that the udp = tcp port ids now
03:04.37MrApathyCreamiirc
03:05.04MrApathyCreambut i may not
03:06.03captain_protonMrApathyCream: it is on the server
03:06.07scanlineok. I'll need to worry about implementing UDP somewhat soon.. right now I just wanted to support the messages in my little bzflag protocol analyzer
03:06.10captain_protonudp port on the client is ephemeral
03:07.29scanline--> MsgUDPLinkRequest
03:07.29scanline<PROTECTED>
03:07.29scanline<-- MsgUDPLinkRequest
03:07.29scanline<PROTECTED>
03:07.29scanline--> MsgSetTTL
03:07.29scanline<PROTECTED>
03:07.31scanline--> MsgUDPLinkEstablished
03:07.33scanline<PROTECTED>
03:08.54CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Adding the traceproxy so far.. it looks like it should work, but doesn't
03:08.54CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (4 files in 2 dirs): Added UDP-related messages
03:08.59scanlineyaknow, if people keep the pybzflag protocol definition up to date, I could make a utility to automatically generate docs from it
03:09.19scanlinethe protocol itself is already pretty easy to read, and extra information could be stored in the python doc strings
03:09.43captain_protoneh
03:09.54captain_protoni think tim wanted it to be generated via doxygen
03:10.29learnercool.. scripting worked; now auto-updates and ensures running server
03:10.33MrApathyCreamlearner do you have (SE) and (MQ) flags in your world?
03:10.36scanlinemm.. how would doxygen collect protocol information automatically? or do you just mean sticking a completely handwritten doc in a comment somewhere?
03:10.40learnerhate to see what happens when build fails.... hrrmmmmmmm
03:10.50learnerMAC, yes
03:10.53MrApathyCreamcoo
03:10.55CIA03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): win32 doesn't like redefining for loops vars; snprintf is _snprintf on win32
03:10.58learnerer, no SE
03:11.08learnerwhat's SE?
03:11.34captain_protonscanline: well - it may be easier once we've rearchitected
03:11.55captain_protonscanline: for example, if we actually have functions for sending off a specific message, then the doxygen comment for that function is its definition
03:12.09learnerany docs on how the -conf bzfs option works?
03:12.14learnerperhaps on bzbb?
03:12.36scanlinecaptain_proton: that would work.. but in the near future the python code is a lot cleaner, and it would be really easy to automatically generate docs from it
03:12.58MrApathyCreamlearner SEer
03:13.29MrApathyCreamlearner: put all your command line options in a file and do
03:13.31MrApathyCream-conf myfile
03:13.36MrApathyCreambzfs -conf myfile
03:13.50learnerrun, but what's the format of the conf file?
03:13.53MrApathyCreamkeeps passwords out of process list, for one
03:13.55learners/run/right/
03:14.04MrApathyCreamit's really just the same as the command line
03:14.08MrApathyCreamcan be one line, or many
03:14.09captain_protonlearner: its basically the command line options, but in a file
03:14.21MrApathyCreami think most put one option per line, but not necessarily
03:14.40learnerI have them 1 per line, yet escaped right now
03:15.05MrApathyCreamthere's quite a bit of useless flags there :)
03:15.26learnere.g. -lagdrop 4 \
03:15.31learner-lagwarn 500 \
03:15.31learner...
03:15.36MrApathyCreamdon't need the \
03:15.43learnercool
03:16.06MrApathyCreamcan add comments with # as first char on line
03:18.11learnerhmmm... does splitting up options (some command line, some config file) work?
03:18.30learnermy public message is auto-generated
03:18.42captain_protontry it ;)
03:18.45captain_protonshould work
03:18.47learnerheh
03:18.48learnerok
03:19.13MrApathyCreamlearner: es
03:19.17MrApathyCreamyes
03:19.31scanlinelearner: you could use pybzflag to pipe messages into your server :)
03:19.35MrApathyCreami think later settings override earlier ones
03:20.37learnermight try that later, scanline
03:22.54scanlineMrApathyCream: are you working on converting everything to use flag abbreviations, or is that something I could be doing?
03:23.28MrApathyCreamwell, i was waiting to see if Tim was buying it.
03:23.37scanlineah
03:23.57MrApathyCreamseems like the only way to got ho
03:24.23MrApathyCreamcaptain_proton: seems like the BZDB keys should be const-ized
03:24.29scanlineright now I have the choice of helping with that, or implementing something braindead in pybzflag :)
03:24.35captain_protonMrApathyCream: eventually, yes
03:24.58MrApathyCreamscanline: shall we say that the fist made us do it?
03:25.04scanlineMrApathyCream: fine by me
03:25.15scanlineso, time to flip a coin and see who gets client and who gets server? :)
03:25.23MrApathyCreamIt would seem that the list in global.h would need to be changed first, no?
03:25.35captain_protonseems like the list in global.h should be eliminated ;)
03:25.37MrApathyCreamWe still need constants, so i don't think we can get away with that list
03:25.52MrApathyCreamhow would we do myTank->getFlag() == CloakingFlag
03:25.54learnercool... I think it worked
03:26.02MrApathyCreamwithout a CloakingFlag constant?
03:26.18scanlinemyTank->hasFlag("CL") or something
03:26.36MrApathyCreamI'd prefer not to use strings, tho
03:26.40scanlineor you could make the constants all 16-bit packed versions of the abbreviations
03:26.47MrApathyCreamyes, please
03:27.02scanlinek
03:27.14MrApathyCreamso the q is, is there any way to get rid of globals.h list
03:27.43scanlinewell, either way we'd need a macro to map abbreviations to IDs
03:28.04scanlinethis just determines whether we still enum the IDs in globals.h, or just use that macro directly
03:28.16MrApathyCreamyes
03:28.22scanlineI think for clarity (since some of us are still a bit rusty on abbreviations) it'd be good to keep the globals.h list
03:28.22captain_protonat least move the enum to Flag.h... :)
03:28.24MrApathyCreamthere's a Flag:Desc class over in Flag.cxx
03:28.34MrApathyCreamcaptain_proton: yes
03:28.45MrApathyCreamok, as a first step, why don't we move the list to Flag.h
03:28.54MrApathyCreamand conver them to packed 16 bit values
03:29.02scanlineok, I can do that
03:29.06MrApathyCreamok
03:29.16MrApathyCreamcaptain_proton: whatya think, shall we just checkin as we go
03:29.17MrApathyCream?
03:29.21MrApathyCreamand bust the build for a while?
03:29.25learnergrumble... didn't work
03:30.14captain_protonMrApathyCream: well...i'd prefer that cvs still runs
03:30.19captain_protonfeel free to branch though ;-)
03:30.25MrApathyCreamheh
03:30.28MrApathyCreamdcc?
03:30.51scanlineI'm behind a dircproxy that isn't set up properly for DCC, but I have a web server here
03:30.58MrApathyCreamok
03:31.42scanlineI don't see this taking long.. but then again I'm a newbie at the bzflag code
03:31.49MrApathyCreami guess just post changes to your website
03:31.59MrApathyCream(whole files)
03:32.06scanlinenot diffs?
03:32.12MrApathyCreamok, ya, diffs
03:32.18MrApathyCreamthat's usin' your noggin
03:32.50MrApathyCreamI'll start on bzfs
03:32.55scanlinefirst I'm just going to move the flags to Flag.h such that nothing breaks, I can commit that
03:33.06MrApathyCreamI can assume it's still FlagId, and that they are still uint16_t, yes?
03:33.11scanlineso.. besides the flag list, what needs to change?
03:33.11MrApathyCreamyes
03:33.22MrApathyCreamconvert all arrays that hold flag ids to std::maps
03:33.27scanlinethe flag negotiation reply can drop the IDs
03:33.31scanlineok
03:34.13MrApathyCreamwell, or sets
03:35.10MrApathyCreamcapp, what'ya think to pick a random flag, now, just use iterator looping, or permutations, or...?
03:35.13CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (bzflag.cxx): move 'view' into new config
03:35.13CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (4 files): move main flag display toggle to new config
03:35.14CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (Server.py): Committing a little progress on StatefulServer before hacking up the C++ code to be more sane flag-wise
03:35.20CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (4 files): move radar flag toggle to bzdb
03:36.36scanlinethis is all so much easier in python :)
03:37.02captain_protonheh
03:37.51captain_protonhm
03:38.57MrApathyCreamcaptain_proton: how to handle generating a random flag? use std:permutations?
03:39.15CIA03micahjd * 12bzflag/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Move flag enums from global.h to Flag.h
03:40.10MrApathyCreamwe also need to get rid of FirstFlag and LastFlag constants
03:40.36MrApathyCreammust rely on sets found in Flag.cxx
03:40.42scanlinethose are inside this enum, so I'm in the process of deleting them
03:40.45MrApathyCreamcaptain_proton: in algorithm
03:41.43scanlinedoes bzflag have a naming convention for macros? would FLAG_ABBREVIATION_ID be ok?
03:42.17MrApathyCreami think so
03:42.20MrApathyCreamcap?
03:42.28MrApathyCreameverything must be based on Flag::descriptions
03:42.36MrApathyCreaminstead of FirstFlag lastFlag
03:42.46captain_protonstd::random_sample looks niftier
03:43.28MrApathyCreamwhich should probably become a set now
03:43.36MrApathyCreamcap ok
03:44.48captain_protonand then if someone wanted they could create a random number generator functor for it
03:44.53captain_protonjust because functors are cool
03:44.54captain_proton=}
03:45.55captain_protonlearner: with which item? i may have neglected to add it to the default keybindings
03:45.57MrApathyCreamfunctors are cool
03:46.10learner"i" to start a new game.. :)
03:46.41captain_proton...i?
03:46.55captain_protonoh
03:46.56captain_protonhaha
03:46.59CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src (2 files in 2 dirs): eliminate the evil config-spanning zbuffer
03:48.02learnerwhere are those defaults?
03:48.16captain_protonbzflag.cxx:111
03:50.34learnerhmmm.. can't edit .bzflag19 manually?
03:51.07captain_protonyou should be able to
03:51.20captain_protonthe thing is that new keybindings are executed before old ones
03:51.28captain_protonand i haven't done 'start new'
03:51.34captain_protonlet me find that and implement it
03:51.55learnerodd.. I is bound to identify, which is right
03:52.34captain_protonhmm
03:53.51MrApathyCreamFlag::descriptions needs to be converted to a std::set
03:54.44MrApathyCreamone way would be to define static Flag::Desc's
03:54.53scanlineyes
03:55.12MrApathyCreamOSCILLATING_OVERTHRUSTER = new Flag::Desc( "Oscillation Overthruster", "OO", FlagUnstable, NormalShot, FlagGood,
03:55.15MrApathyCream"Oscillation Overthruster (+OO):  Can drive through buildings.  Can't backup or shoot while inside." ),
03:55.30MrApathyCreamAnd then one could say  if myTank->getFlag() == OSCILLATING_OVERTHRUSTER.id
03:55.33MrApathyCreamor something like that
03:55.37scanlinehrmph
03:55.39scanlinehow about
03:56.20scanlineOscillationOverthrusterFlag = new Flag::Desc("OscillationOverthruster", "OO", FlagUnstable, NormalShot, FlagGood, "Can drive through buildings. Can't back up or shoot while inside.");
03:56.44captain_protonhrm
03:56.54captain_protonlearner: my changes shouldn't break that
03:57.05MrApathyCreamare we saying the same thing?
03:57.15learneryet.... they do :(
03:57.16scanlinelook at my flag description
03:57.32scanlineno copy of the flag name, copy of the flag's good/evil status, and copy of the abbreviation
03:57.41learneris it possible to map a key and mouse event to the same action?
03:57.54MrApathyCreamoh, ok
03:57.58MrApathyCreamyes that's fine
03:58.00learnercap, you should be able to start a new game by pressing "i", can  you?
03:58.18scanlinethat's how I do it in python.. I have some code that automatically capitalizes the name properly according to the abbreviation
03:58.39MrApathyCreamand then in code we would do...
03:58.45scanlineclass VelocityFlag(FlagBase):
03:58.45scanline<PROTECTED>
03:58.45scanline<PROTECTED>
03:58.45scanline<PROTECTED>
03:58.52scanline=)
03:59.01MrApathyCreamif (myTank->getFlag() == OscillationOverthrusterFlag)
03:59.02captain_protonlearner: yep
03:59.02MrApathyCream?
03:59.23MrApathyCreamor OscillationOverthrusterFlag.id, or getID() or ?
03:59.33learnergrumble
03:59.37scanlineMrApathyCream: I think so. There would only be one instance of each flag per process, and across the protocol boundary you'd look up the instance from the abbreviation
03:59.47MrApathyCreamyes, singletons
04:00.02MrApathyCreamok
04:00.05MrApathyCreamnifty
04:00.15captain_protonyay for singletons
04:00.23MrApathyCreama branch would be nice
04:00.28MrApathyCreamthis may take alittle
04:00.30scanlineyeah
04:01.36scanlinegot a cool creative name for the branch?
04:02.35MrApathyCreambz_is_flagged
04:02.43scanlineokeydokey
04:02.44MrApathyCream-->whatever you like
04:02.48scanline:)
04:02.55CIA03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (bzflag.cxx): snprintf is _snprintf on win32
04:03.19scanlineremove_flag_id
04:03.44MrApathyCreamok
04:04.07scanlinetagged
04:04.21MrApathyCreamso cvs up -r remove_flag_id ?
04:04.34learnercap, I'm reading src/platform/MacOSX/MacDisplay.cxx where the key's are handled.  For regular keys, I don't see key "events" generated -- just bzf_key.ascii gets set
04:04.36scanlineyep
04:04.54MrApathyCreamnifty
04:04.56learnermight that be a problem?
04:05.30captain_protoncould be
04:05.37MrApathyCreamback in a lil bit
04:05.47MrApathyCreamscanline: you redoing the Flag::Desc stuff?
04:05.51scanlineyes
04:06.01MrApathyCreamok, i'll be back to work on bzfs in a bit
04:09.40scanlinedoes tim let us use namespaces?
04:09.59captain_protoni assume so, seeing as we use the std:: namespace all over
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04:15.16scanlineDesc( "Jumping", "J", FlagUnstable, NormalShot, FlagGood,
04:15.17scanline"JumPing (+JP):  Tank can jump.  Use Tab key.  Can't steer in the air."),
04:15.21scanlineis it supposed to be J or JP?
04:15.27captain_protonJP
04:15.29captain_protonerr
04:15.35captain_protongood question
04:16.15scanlineMsgNegotiateFlags sends J... but then, compatibility doesn't exactly matter now :)
04:16.25captain_protonJP i think
04:16.37scanlinek
04:21.22CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/include (Flag.h): Replace enums in Flag.h with a namespace full of extern Flag::Desc*
04:21.28scanlineooh, a branch name
04:23.40captain_protonneato
04:28.58scanlinehmph
04:29.08CIA03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): separated class declaration from definition/implementation; updated whitecpace; added copyright header
04:29.28captain_protonyay for updating whitespace
04:29.45scanlinethe team help strings are different.. in python I just subclassed, but that would be annoying in C++
04:31.55captain_protonlearner: i've been considering tying it into sfsnap
04:33.03learnerhow long does it take to process?  it's not on the fly?
04:42.27CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): move some roaming to commands
04:42.44captain_protonlearner: eh - maybe 1-2 minutes
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05:05.16MrApathyCreamJP
05:05.36MrApathyCreamconcatenating strings is a no-no anyway, as we are i18n
05:06.06scanlinehow would that affect i18n?
05:06.07learnerjb's up late...for jb, that is
05:06.15learnercap, 1-2 minutes for what?
05:06.26captain_protonlearner: doxygen to run
05:06.39learnerit's still the same, that was 25 min ago :/
05:06.47captain_protonthats because its not automatic right now
05:07.02learnerah
05:08.14learneruh oh..
05:08.15scanlineMrApathyCream: I don't see any gettext macros or similar in the flag code.. and even if it was i18n-happy, how would automatically generating the description string from the others break that?
05:08.32learnerpistachios are kicking in ...
05:09.03MrApathyCreamwell, the full strings would have to exist in the l10n files anyway
05:09.11MrApathyCreamso building them for english seems silly
05:09.15MrApathyCreami guess it wouldn't break tho
05:09.40MrApathyCreamflag help for one, is converted
05:10.15scanlineseems silly to duplicate the flag name and the abbreviation in the help... how would concatenation and adding a few parenthesis be english-only?
05:11.14MrApathyCreamwell i guess it wouldn't as long as you only translate the final product
05:11.23MrApathyCreamif you translated the pieces, it wouldn't make sense
05:11.34scanlineI would think translating the pieces would make more sense
05:12.03scanlinethe locales don't control how the help string is formatted, do they?
05:12.05MrApathyCreamfor instance a naive english macro might be plural(n) n + "s"
05:12.12MrApathyCreambut other langs might not pluralize with s
05:12.22scanlinewhere would this involve plurals?
05:12.39MrApathyCreamthe locals expect an exact english phrase
05:13.12scanlineright, if this is anything like gettext I understand what you're doing... I just don't understand how this idea would break it
05:13.23scanlineif you need an example, I can point you to the flag code I wrote in pybzflag
05:13.31MrApathyCreamas long as your only translating the total concatenation it will be find
05:13.41MrApathyCreams/find/fine/
05:13.49scanlinewhy wouldn't it be fine if you translate the pieces?
05:14.05MrApathyCreambecause other language have other grammer rules
05:14.07scanlinethe only modification I do is capitalizing the name according to the abbreviation
05:14.14scanlineI'm not putting together sentences
05:14.18MrApathyCreamok
05:14.32scanlinelet me give you an example, I don't think you understand what I'm talking about...
05:14.56scanlineI have a flag definition like this one:
05:14.58scanlineclass SteamrollerFlag(FlagBase):
05:14.58scanline<PROTECTED>
05:14.58scanline<PROTECTED>
05:14.58scanline<PROTECTED>
05:15.24scanlineit would automatically determine the name is "Steamroller", then it would automatically capitalize that as "SteamRoller" to match the abbreviation
05:15.37scanlineit would then just stick those together to get the full help string
05:15.53scanline<PROTECTED>
05:15.53scanline<PROTECTED>
05:16.21MrApathyCreamyeh, ok, should be ok
05:16.35scanlineso, it'd be cool to do this in C++ also... but the team flags throw it off
05:16.47scanlinein python I just had a subclass deal with it, but it isn't worth the trouble in C++
05:17.32scanlineI've done a lot that I haven't committed
05:17.34scanlinelemme commit
05:18.00CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): More attempted flag description reorganization
05:19.23MrApathyCreamwe still need an abbrev->flag map correct?
05:19.33scanlinethat's in the code I just committed
05:19.42MrApathyCreamtobe Flag::descriptions?
05:20.12MrApathyCreamcoo
05:20.16scanlineactually it's a static member of FlagDesc, so it is filled when the FlagDesc's are created
05:20.28MrApathyCreamok
05:20.33scanlineFlag::getDescFromAbbreviation will be a frontend for it
05:20.43MrApathyCreamok
05:21.03Noodlemanrrrrroot beeah!
05:21.12scanlineNoodleman: already had a few of those today :)
05:21.15scanlinewas going for water
05:21.22Noodlemanhehe
05:21.30Noodlemani am a root beer addict
05:22.08Noodlemanroot beer addicts anonymous
05:22.42MrApathyCreamwhen i need access to the map, do i just go get the member var?
05:22.52learnerNoodleman is a one man addict :)
05:22.54MrApathyCream<for iterating over>
05:23.20scanlineguess that's fine
05:23.25scanlinejust FlagDesc::flagMap
05:24.08scanlinewhere is all the nboPack stuff defined?
05:24.32MrApathyCreamnet
05:24.39scanlineaha
05:24.41MrApathyCreamPack.cpp
05:24.59MrApathyCreamhmmm, me thinks there are some missing *'s in FlagDesc namespace
05:25.29scanlineprobably, it doesn't compile yet
05:25.57scanlinehmm... it would be good to use nboPackString and UnpackString on the abbreviation
05:26.20MrApathyCreamyes
05:26.29scanlinebut... that code seems to suck
05:26.35scanlineit just memcpy's
05:27.04scanlinewould it break anything if I had it copy up to the first null (if any) then zero-pad the rest?
05:28.21scanlinebleh, I don't want to mess with that.. I'll just pack it as two bytes
05:28.54captain_protonheh
05:29.29scanlineyeah, all this just so I can have somewhat sane flag IDs for pybzflag :)
05:31.32MrApathyCreamjust put two bytes in, don't need the terminator, or anything else
05:31.34CIA03dbrosius 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix pointers for flags
05:31.42scanlineright
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05:32.33CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/common (Flag.cxx): Fix flag packing
05:32.47scanlinewhat does std::map do if you try to look up a key that doesn't exist?
05:32.53captain_protonfail silently
05:32.57captain_protonbetter to use ::find()
05:32.59MrApathyCreamreturns container::end()
05:33.01scanlinewhat does it return?
05:33.05scanlinehmm
05:33.10MrApathyCreammap::end()
05:33.28captain_protonMrApathyCream: operator [] returns T(), not an iterator
05:33.49MrApathyCream'look up a key'
05:33.51MrApathyCream:)
05:34.09MrApathyCreamactually if you do [] it will insert on for you i believe
05:34.28MrApathyCreamwhich is prolly not what you want
05:34.31captain_protoncould be - depends if you're using the const version or not
05:36.35CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): some more roaming stuff
05:37.01CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Implement getDescFromAbbreviation, removed accessor functions we don't need
05:41.01CIA03dbrosius 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/common (Flag.cxx): misc flag fixes
05:42.34CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): We no longer have flag IDs to correspond to teams, so store the team separately
05:45.24CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/common (Flag.cxx): Wow, Flag.cxx compiles now
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05:46.14MrApathyCreamw00t
05:46.19scanlinewow.. 95 commits today
05:46.24scanlinethat's more than half of KDE
05:47.47captain_protonquick! we have 13 minutes to commit 72 times!
05:48.03scanlinesounds like shell script time!
05:48.13captain_protonwhitespace fixes here i come
05:48.16captain_proton*ahem*
05:48.31learnerheheh
05:49.02scanlinehmm, need to refactor the flag abbreviation packing
05:49.13scanlineshould that go into a member of FlagDesc, or into Pack.cxx?
05:49.46scanlineah yes.. I see the pack() unpack() motif
05:50.01CIA03dbrosius 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/include (ShotUpdate.h): ShotUpdate now holds FlagDesc*s
05:50.11scanlinebah, I already did that :P
05:50.17MrApathyCreamFlagDesc <0--- packing
05:50.23MrApathyCreamhehe
05:53.37MrApathyCreamhmmm, flagMap has strings as keys?
05:53.41scanlineyes
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05:54.15CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add pack() and unpack() to FlagDesc
05:55.02MrApathyCreamso, when building maps of my own, do i use FlagDesc* as keys, or abbrevs?
05:55.25MrApathyCreami guess FlagDesc*s
05:56.09scanlineyes.. I think we should stick to FlagDesc* everywhere we can internally, just using abbrevs for packing
05:56.41CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/common (ShotUpdate.cxx): FiringInfo packs and unpacks FlagDescs now
05:58.01CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Punctuation fix
05:59.22CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (4 files): move binoculars into bzdb
05:59.37scanlinebinoculars?
05:59.58learnerbed
06:00.02MrApathyCreamB key
06:00.09CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (ShotPath.h): FlagId -> FlagDesc
06:00.12MrApathyCreamnarrows the field of view
06:00.39MrApathyCream(zoom)
06:00.47scanlinecute
06:00.59MrApathyCreamrelatively useless, except perhaps with (L)
06:01.43CIA03dbrosius 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): convert bzfs flag arrays to maps, etc
06:01.54scanlinedevelopment is so much more fun with CIA :)
06:01.58captain_protoni use it sometimes to line up shots on radar (because the radar shows the FOV)
06:02.03captain_protonhehe
06:02.08captain_protonwe hit an even 100 for yesterday =)
06:02.19scanlinespiffy
06:02.48CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (3 files): rename showscore for consistency
06:03.34scanlinekinda funny how CIA is one of my smallest projects and arguably one of the most useful
06:03.53captain_protonindeed
06:03.53scanlinewell ok, not that arguably
06:03.56scanline:)
06:04.15captain_protonbut certainly the most widely-used
06:05.59CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (Player.h): FlagId -> FlagDesc
06:06.06scanlinehmm
06:06.07scanline#if defined(_WIN32)
06:06.07scanline#pragma warning(disable: 4786)
06:06.07scanline#endif
06:06.11scanlinecute
06:06.41captain_protonyep
06:06.55captain_protonvisual C++ has all these great warnings that mean absolutely nothing
06:07.18scanlineand I know exactly which one it was!
06:07.33captain_protonhm?
06:07.40scanlinenumber 4786!
06:07.46captain_protonyep
06:08.13MrApathyCream4786 suppresses to long of name mangling in debug mode
06:08.21MrApathyCream(warnings)
06:08.30scanlinesuppress to long?
06:08.46MrApathyCreamname mangling in debug mode produces identifiers that are longer than VC handles uniquely
06:08.51scanlineoh
06:09.42captain_protonisn't that clever? :)
06:10.06scanlinethey should use md5 for their name mangling
06:10.31scanlinethen all the identifiers are the same length, so they can hardcode lots of fun stuff... and it makes reverse engineering harder!
06:11.09MrApathyCreamhmm is there a way to know if a FlagDesc is a team flag?
06:11.52MrApathyCreamhmm, whats flagTeam member...
06:12.01scanlinedesc->flagTeam != NoTeam
06:12.10scanlineit's a TeamColor
06:12.22MrApathyCreamcool, noteam
06:12.23MrApathyCreamyay
06:12.41scanlinea lot nicer than having IDs that are magically both flags and teams :)
06:12.43CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (World.cxx): World.(cxx|h) FlagId -> FlagDesc
06:12.55scanlineoh, I guess I didn't change anything in world.h
06:13.25scanlineit's nice how most constructs like "flag.id == FooFlag" turn into "flag.desc == Flags::Foo"
06:16.25MrApathyCreamyes, it's going quite nice
06:16.47scanlinehmm... are these arrays of help strings in HUDRenderer really necessary?
06:17.10MrApathyCreamno they should be moved out
06:17.18MrApathyCreamand FlagDescs used
06:17.33scanlinewell, I started converting them to map<FlagDesc*, std::string>
06:17.43scanlinebut it would be nice to get rid of them completely
06:17.49scanlineare they needed for i18n?
06:17.55MrApathyCreamduplicated data in FlagDesc
06:17.58MrApathyCreamyes
06:18.44MrApathyCreamhehe
06:19.39MrApathyCreamteam flag checking is quite nice too
06:19.45scanlineyip
06:20.15CIA03dbrosius 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): some bzfs conversions
06:22.55CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (3 files): More miscallaneous FlagId -> FlagDesc conversions
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06:25.41CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (RadarRenderer.cxx): Remove FlagId code in radar flag rendering
06:26.06scanlineboth team stuff and getColor() are a lot nicer now
06:27.48MrApathyCreami like the Flags namespace
06:28.01scanline:)
06:31.43scanlinehiya
06:31.56captain_protonyo!
06:32.50CIA03dbrosius 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): some bzfs conversions
06:35.34MrApathyCreamhmm
06:35.35MrApathyCreamswitch expression of type 'class FlagDesc *' is illegal
06:35.47MrApathyCreamconvert to if/else?
06:36.13scanlinehmm.. why is that illegal as a switch expression?
06:36.20MrApathyCreampointer? dunno
06:36.31MrApathyCreamIntegral expression required
06:36.32scanlineeither way you wouldn't have constant values for the case'es
06:36.38scanlineso yeah, if/else
06:36.47MrApathyCreamah, right non-constants
06:37.22CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): Hack the HUD up to remove the old crufty help arrays
06:37.33captain_protoncan someone else join xmission for a minute?
06:37.38scanlinesure
06:37.55captain_protonthanks
06:38.51scanlinehmm, /me runs into a switch too
06:38.57scanlineMrApathyCream: are you still in bzfs-land?
06:39.05scanlineI'm starting ShotPath
06:41.08CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): move silence to new keybinding paradigm
06:41.50CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (ShotPath.cxx): FlagId -> FlagDesc
06:43.41MrApathyCreamdoing nego :)
06:43.46scanlineyay :)
06:43.47MrApathyCreamyes bzfs land
06:43.48CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (ShotStrategy.cxx): FlagId -> FlagDesc
06:44.14scanlineso are you going with the reply format I suggested?
06:44.22MrApathyCreamwe shall return Nego message always, 0 flags means success, > 0 means failure
06:44.31scanlineyes
06:44.51scanlineon failure, it gives you the flags that you're missing, so the client can make a good error message
06:45.24MrApathyCreamFlagDesc::unpack cool
06:45.28scanline:)
06:45.28MrApathyCreamyes
06:47.15MrApathyCreamdo unrecognized flags get unpacked as Null?
06:47.26scanlineyes, they should be
06:47.59scanlineyes, unpack uses getDescFromAbbreviation, and it returns Flags::Null if it can't find it in the map
06:48.26CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (Player.cxx): FlagId -> FlagDesc
06:48.39scanlineholy zombie jesus
06:48.45scanlineit just got to playing.cxx :-/
06:48.55scanlinebr
06:48.57scanlineer. brb
06:51.22scanlinethis is the biggest non-automatically-generated source file I've seen in a while
06:51.43MrApathyCreamwhats set.add?
06:51.44MrApathyCreamset.put
06:51.47MrApathyCreamset.insert
06:51.51MrApathyCreamthat's it
06:52.04scanlinehttp://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/table_of_contents.html <-- your friend
06:52.34captain_protoncertainly is my friend :)
06:52.48scanlineplaying.cxx <-- nobody'd friend
06:52.54captain_protonheh
06:57.53MrApathyCreamyes
06:58.04MrApathyCreamarg
06:58.16MrApathyCreaminitialization of 'missingFlags' is skipped by 'case' label
06:58.32scanlinehm?
06:59.37captain_protonscanline: perhaps you need to enclose it in {} ?
06:59.50CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): Nothing actually uses flagHelpDesc, remove it
07:00.11scanlinecaptain_proton: I'm not sure what code MrApathyCream is talking about
07:00.23MrApathyCreamoof, never mind, silly
07:00.42MrApathyCreamcap, mismatched {} *blush*
07:02.32captain_protonMrApathyCream: nicely done
07:02.37captain_protonxmission, someone?
07:02.40scanlineok
07:03.30MrApathyCreamscanline: getDesc by id should honor LT and RT too :) for cmd line parsing
07:03.50MrApathyCreamperhaps i'll just do it myself
07:04.05scanlineok.. guess the best way is a couple ifs
07:04.14scanlinewhy not just change the abbreviations to lt and rt?
07:04.41CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (5 files in 2 dirs): move tank labels to bzdb
07:05.23MrApathyCreamprhaps
07:05.31MrApathyCreamwin32 can't handle < > on the cmd line
07:05.45scanlineIMHO just changing the abbreviation would be better
07:05.48MrApathyCream< is sexier than LT tho
07:05.58MrApathyCreamfine by me
07:07.57MrApathyCreamhows are cia score?
07:08.08scanline16 today
07:08.16scanline100 yesterday
07:08.19scanline737 forever
07:09.10CIA03dbrosius 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): Fix Nego
07:09.14CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): fix broken fov
07:09.31scanlinedid you already change the abbreviations or should I do that?
07:10.10scanlineBTW, if we like <- and -> better for the HUD, I guess that's one reason not to make the help strings automatic :)
07:10.23captain_protonwheee
07:10.32captain_protonif i fold a function, vim gives the function name on the fold line
07:11.48CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/common (Flag.cxx): Realphanumericalize left and right turn only abbreviations
07:12.51CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Flag (List.py): Update abbreviations for left turn only, right turn only, and jumping
07:13.11captain_protoni'm gonna call it a night, headache making it difficult to work
07:13.47scanlineg'night
07:15.18MrApathyCreamscanline: i did not change abbv
07:15.25scanlineit's changed now
07:15.43MrApathyCreamnite
07:16.08MrApathyCreamerror C2039: 'Richochet' : is not a member of 'Flags'
07:16.29MrApathyCreamheh
07:16.33MrApathyCreammisspelled on my part
07:16.34MrApathyCreamduh
07:22.41MrApathyCreamwelp one more checkin, then sleep
07:22.49MrApathyCreamline 64xx of 70xx in bzfs
07:23.07CIA03dbrosius 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): more bzfs conversions before bed
07:23.12MrApathyCreamthis will be cool
07:23.16scanlineyip
07:23.48CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): A big batch of playing.cxx conversions
07:25.15MrApathyCreamhmm GuidedMissile is throwing errors in HudRenderer
07:25.41MrApathyCreame:\bz\bz_cvs_remove_flag_id\bzflag\src\bzflag\playing.cxx(2915) : error C2039: 'GuidedMissile' : is not a member of 'Flags'
07:25.58scanlinethat's HudRenderer?
07:26.10MrApathyCreamah, well, also in playing
07:26.13MrApathyCream:)
07:26.32scanlineI just tried a clean rebuild, my HUDRenderer compiles cleanly
07:26.36scanlinewhat error do you get?
07:26.41MrApathyCreamsee above
07:27.07MrApathyCreamoff to noggin land
07:27.09MrApathyCreamthanks
07:27.13scanlineok
07:27.21scanlinemaybe this will be merged by the time he comes back :)
07:32.12CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Wow, the errors in playing.cxx fit in my terminal now
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07:48.36CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): playing.cxx compiles, temporarily disabled flag negotiation
07:58.51CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (LocalPlayer.cxx): FlagId -> FlagDesc
07:59.19scanlineugh
07:59.39scanlineI swear there's at least a dozen different places it applies the size scale factor for obese and tiny
08:00.17CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (RemotePlayer.cxx): FlagId -> FlagDesc
08:02.10CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (RobotPlayer.cxx): FlagId -> FlagDesc
08:02.28scanlineaha, now I'm getting the same errors MrApathyCream was getting in the HUDRenderer...
08:02.43scanlinebut these are link errors
08:09.40scanlineheh.. "recursive make considered harmful"
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08:09.52scanlineI do a clean rebuild (hacking it to ignore bzfs) and it's fine
08:16.18CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Protocol (Common.py): Change FlagId type to string
08:16.33CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Protocol (ToServer.py): Add MsgTeleport to ToServer
08:24.38CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src (2 files in 2 dirs): Refix abbreviations for left turn only and right turn only
08:52.15CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Better flag negotiation on the client side, with a message telling you exactly which flags aren't supported
08:52.43CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (2 files in 2 dirs): Some code to test the C++ client's flag negotiation
09:04.35CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): Another batch of changes to bzfs
09:05.55CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): Remove unnecessary flag number entries from MsgNegotiateFlags
09:12.30CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): bzfs compiles!
09:22.46CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/common (Flag.cxx): Flag abbreviations should be case insensitive
09:25.27scanlinehm.. MAC's bzfs flag negotiation code causes a failed assertion
09:33.54CIA03micahjd 08remove_flag_id * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): Fix bzfs crash due to uninitialized pointer, added comments to flag negotiation code
09:34.00scanlineyay, it works
09:34.11scanlinetime to force the world to make sure >:)
09:58.38CIA03micahjd * 12bzflag/ (19 files in 4 dirs):
09:58.39CIAMerging remove_flag_id branch. This removes all use of enums for identifying
09:58.39CIAflags, instead using pointers to singleton FlagDesc instances with information
09:58.40CIAabout the flag. On the wire, flags are now represented by their 2-character
09:58.40CIAabbreviation in place of the 16-bit enum. Flag negotiation has changed- the
09:58.42CIAredundant numFlags field is gone, and the reply is always a list of missing flags.
10:14.33CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (Client.py): Implement new flag negotiation client-side
10:16.30CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Don't increment the client ID in traceproxy, so after one client disconnects the proxy is still usable
10:18.03CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (Client.py): Remove flag ID mapping
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10:33.27CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (4 files in 2 dirs): Implement server-side flag negotiation
11:09.26CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (3 files): Add world support to server
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11:10.56CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (CommandLine.py): Don't fail with a TypeError if we omit the -w option
11:27.33CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): A slightly more relaxed policy for CommandLine.Parser keywords that unbreaks the default callsigns
11:39.19CIA03micahjd * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx):
11:39.19CIAFixed a segfault on world download that seems to be triggered by bzfs.py
11:39.20CIAbecause it uses a different world block size than bzfs. makeWorld() was
11:39.20CIAnot allocating enough space for the entire world, just the remaining
11:39.21CIAdata after the first block.
11:45.52CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (Server.py): Implement MsgAccept
12:07.47CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (2 files): It is now possible for clients to join pybzflag's server
12:18.00CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (2 files in 2 dirs): Give the world walls
12:20.57CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (World.py): Fix AttributeError on loading a text world
12:32.56CIA03micahjd * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Fix another aspect of the same bug in makeWorld() that would save incomplete worlds in the cache.
12:33.01scanlinehmm, I wonder if this is the world bug captain_proton mentioned earlier...
12:33.34scanlineit's a lot easier to find these with really tiny worlds :)
12:36.15CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (traceproxy.py): Give the size of data fields before hex dumping them
12:40.42CIA03micahjd * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Don't store 4 bytes of garbage after the end of a cached world
12:41.30CIA03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (World.py): Apparently cache files include the leading 'p' before the md5 hash
12:42.51scanlineah, enough bugs for today. time to get ready for work :)
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13:45.50learnersunufobiatch
13:46.24learnerok, my cron job goes nuts if bzfs can't run...
13:47.52learnerdoes anyone know that bzfs crashes now?
13:48.02learnerscanline, you've been busy.. :)
13:49.43learnerThread 0 Crashed:
13:49.43learner<PROTECTED>
13:55.00learnerjeesh.. you outta see the look on my face! ....
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14:02.19learnerok, rebuilt debug and still gives bus error
14:03.11learneryep.. it's you guy's flag twiddling
14:03.20learnerborked borked borked
14:03.25learnerThread 0 Crashed:
14:03.25learner<PROTECTED>
14:03.25learner<PROTECTED>
14:03.27learner<PROTECTED>
14:05.25larsl_56kThread?
14:05.55learnerthere is only one thread, debugger jibbrish
14:06.15larsl_56kWhat did you do to crash it?
14:06.35learnerI believe it's crashing while parsing an "unknwon" flag
14:06.51learnerone of the four I feed it on the command line
14:07.09learnerIt crashes on startup
14:07.25larsl_56kWith +f XX{NN} ?
14:07.33learnermy server was in a tight loop crashing over and over when I woke up1
14:08.08learner+f V{30}
14:08.08learner+f A{30}
14:08.08learner+f US{30}
14:08.09learner+f MQ{30}
14:08.26learnerone of those four is no longer available apparently
14:08.32learnerit should not crash, regardless
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14:10.11larsl_56kDoesn't crash for me, just says 'invalid flag "US"'.
14:10.28learnerthat would imply a memory overrun
14:10.49larsl_56kOps, sorry, that was 1.7g2... latest CVS starts and seems to run fine.
14:11.01learnerhmmm
14:12.05learnerit's definately crashing here, and it is in the new FlagDesc code that was just added..
14:12.51larsl_56kWeird, when I add -c and kill it with Ctrl-C it says 'Capture the flag incompatible with Rabbit ChaseCapture the flag assumed'.
14:13.37learneryes, you can't have both
14:13.50learner-rabbit and -c are exclusive
14:13.55larsl_56kBut I only specified -c, no -rabbit.
14:14.02learnerah, that is odd then
14:16.07captain_protonsheesh
14:16.14captain_protonthose boys were busy last night
14:16.16learnermornin' cap
14:16.26learneryes they were, the little buggers
14:16.52captain_protonhahaha....bzflag is -still- in the lead on cia for today
14:17.03learnerheh
14:17.06captain_protonoops no longer
14:17.09captain_protonquick, commit!
14:17.55learner;)
14:18.54learnerI don't think they did last night reading the log.. :)
14:19.12learnerthere were "follow-up" commits to get things to compile
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14:19.31learnerwe just now need the "follow-up" commits that get things working
14:20.00learnerhmm.. all four of those flags are described with flagdesc
14:21.21Chestal\
14:21.39learnermornin' ches
14:21.46Chestalhia
14:22.02Chestalit's afternoon here, but it feels like morning *yawn*
14:22.11learnerah, true
14:23.09Chestal[15:54:40] SCHROEDER CANCELS ITALY HOLIDAY AFTER ANTI-GERMAN REMARKS FROM  ITALIAN OFFICIAL
14:23.22Chestalhurrah, war between Germany and Italy ;-)
14:23.25larsl_56kIs -cr supposed to turn on rabbit mode?
14:23.38larsl_56kThey need to get rid of that clown of theirs.
14:23.39learnerno, larsl
14:23.40bryjen-rabbit
14:23.58larsl_56kHm, what is -cr supposed to do then?
14:24.07Chestal-cr is for CTF with random maps
14:24.30larsl_56kAh.
14:26.22captain_protonlearner: they were working within a branch
14:26.50learnerhmmmm... someone borked it from the time I went to bed and now
14:27.23captain_protonborked how?
14:27.32learnerit crashes on startup
14:28.01captain_protonah - looks like they merged it all
14:28.19learnercrashes in bzfs.cxx around the for loop on 157
14:28.22larsl_56kIt doesn't crash on Linux.
14:28.23learnerah
14:28.30larsl_56kAt least not on my Linux.
14:28.46learnerthat just means it's a more dangerous bug.. :)
14:29.24larsl_56kYes.
14:29.30learnerer, line 189 I meant
14:29.56larsl_56kLine 157 in bzfs.cxx isn't in a for loop.
14:30.00larsl_56kAh.
14:30.26larsl_56kIt crashed inside map::begin()?
14:30.36CIA03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): Fixed checks for multiple game styles, added \n to error messages
14:31.03learnerit looks like it's crashing in the CmdLineOptions constructor
14:31.22learnerah, map begin.. perhaps
14:31.40larsl_56kThat's odd.
14:31.45captain_protonhmm
14:31.55captain_protoni run, but get "unsupported response from server during flag negotiation"
14:33.08larsl_56kLooks like they are calling begin() in an uninitialized map<> reference.
14:33.39larsl_56kNo, it's not a reference.
14:34.53learnerwhat's with all the public's in FlagDesc??
14:35.09learnerand Flag..
14:35.37learnerkinda shoots the point of encapsulating in the head
14:36.34learneror did they just wrap a bunch of things that _were_ global and are now 'class'ified
14:37.37captain_protonthe stuff in flag was always public
14:38.15larsl_56klearner: Can you get the function name where bzfs crashed (#0 in your backtrace)? It's truncated.
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14:38.47learnerlemme see.
14:39.08learner#0 is probably an stl call, though
14:40.42learner.... std::allocator<char> > const, FlagDesc*> > >::begin() (bzfs.cxx:769)
14:41.15larsl_56kI think I know what the problem is. CmdLineOptions is used as a global variable, so its constructor will be called before main(). But there's no way to guarantee that that map has been initialized by that time (even though it's also initialized before main()).
14:42.01larsl_56kWe need to wrap flagMap in a static singleton function.
14:42.54learnerah, true.  they were talking about making something a singleton last night
14:46.19captain_protonaha
14:46.22captain_protonbzfs is segfaulting
14:48.15captain_proton#0  0x080534e5 in std::_Rb_tree_base_iterator::_M_increment() (this=0xbffff2d0) at /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.2.2/include/g++-v3/bits/stl_tree.h:140
14:48.15captain_proton#1  0x0806eb3b in std::_Rb_tree_iterator<std::pair<std::string const, FlagDesc*>, std::pair<std::string const, FlagDesc*>&, std::pair<std::string const, FlagDesc*>*>::operator++() (
14:48.15captain_proton<PROTECTED>
14:48.15captain_proton#2  0x080673bb in handleCommand (t=0, code=28262, len=74, rawbuf=0x8094e00) at bzfs.cxx:5143
14:48.39captain_protonodd...segfaulting in iterator::operator++
14:49.11captain_protonhaha
14:49.24larsl_56kThat might be for the same reason.
14:49.35captain_protonthey were incrementing it instead of m_it
14:49.38captain_protonand it was invalid
14:49.55larsl_56k=)
14:50.01larsl_56kWho are "they"?
14:50.25captain_protonscanline & MAC
14:50.51captain_protonnow it just tells me that there are flags i don't have, but the list is empty
14:50.59CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): increment the right iterator
14:54.10larsl_56kThat might be because flagMap is used when it's not initialized. I might have a fix for that soon.
14:54.35captain_protonpossible
14:54.54captain_protoni'm getting a nf message of length 2 with null bytes
14:55.17larsl_56kIf only this modem wouldn't take 10 minutes to update & merge CVS...
15:01.01CIA03larsl * 12bzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Make FlagDesc::flagMap a singleton to make sure that it's initialized before it's used
15:01.41larsl_56kI don't know if it works, I couldn't get it to crash earlier.
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15:03.40captain_proton'lo tim
15:05.08larsl_56kIs team 5 rabbits?
15:05.15captain_protoni believe so
15:06.04larsl_56kThey get flag timeouts every few seconds when I start bzfs (without players). =)
15:06.24captain_protoni'm still getting this issue
15:06.29captain_protonflag timeouts?
15:07.05larsl_56kYes, their non-existant team flag times out (as it does for other teams when no team members have been around for a while).
15:09.37captain_protonah, found it
15:09.41captain_protonthey were packing NullFlag
15:09.48learnerdag nab autoconf!
15:09.49learner.deps/deflate.Po:7: *** missing separator.  Stop.
15:10.07CIA03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): Rabbit team has no flag, don't check for flag timeouts for them
15:10.24captain_protonoooooh
15:10.34captain_proton+s 40 generates lots of team flags!
15:10.53larsl_56kIndeed. =)
15:11.00captain_protonthats kinda cute
15:12.14larsl_56k58 commits today? Wow.
15:12.54learneryea, we need to pick up the pace a bit..
15:13.36CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src (2 files in 2 dirs): don't complain if the client doesn't have NullFlag
15:14.25Chestalwhat is this useless flag for? just a joke?
15:14.46larsl_56kCould be cool to have 30 US and 1 GM on a server. =)
15:14.51captain_protonChestal: pretty much =)
15:14.59larsl_56kAnd one ST.
15:15.48CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): instead of explicitly testing for rabbit, just loop within CtfTeams
15:16.02learnerhmmm.. I get a bzfs Usage: message now..
15:16.09larsl_56kAh, there was a value like that?
15:16.12captain_protonlearner: whats yer command line
15:16.28captain_protonlarsl_56k: yeah - i created it when we were crashing trying to send the rabbit base to the client =)
15:16.49learnerhttp://brlcad.org/tmp/bzserver.sh
15:17.59captain_protonand the output from bzfs, as well :)
15:18.39learnertmp/rabbit.conf
15:19.00captain_protonaha, i see the issue
15:19.06captain_protonchange '-f J' to be '-f JP'
15:19.16learnerah, mkay
15:19.19captain_protonthere was a battle between J and JP, and JP won
15:19.30captain_protonit shouldn't be necessary to disallow it, since you've got -j
15:20.05captain_protonits a splash of color =)
15:20.24learnerah, -f J was a leftover from a different map
15:20.42larsl_56kcaptain_proton: ?
15:21.12learnerheheh.. _now_ I see: invalid flag "J"
15:21.15captain_protonlarsl_56k: its sending team flags as random superflags
15:21.34learnerpwd
15:21.36learneroops
15:22.00larsl_56kHehe, it is.
15:23.03CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (2 files): updated TODO, BUGS
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15:23.54captain_protoni kind of like the idea of multiple team flags though... =)
15:24.35captain_protonwhee
15:24.39captain_protonour mtbc is down under 70 minutes
15:28.10learneryay it works again
15:28.27learnerthere's still keybinding "issues" cap.. :)
15:28.34captain_protonlearner: which?
15:28.41learnerI can start the game now, which is good
15:29.02learnerbut none of the movement keys (except left!) work
15:29.08learnerand when I shoot
15:29.14learnerI drop my flag
15:29.20learner:)
15:29.29learner(and shoot)
15:29.37captain_protonhmm
15:29.41captain_protonyou have shoot bound to space? :)
15:29.47learnernope
15:29.52learnernafaik
15:29.56bryjenbad recoil dampening ;)
15:30.13captain_protonhehehe
15:30.23learnerI find it more odd that only left-key works.. :)
15:30.40learnerwhat was the problem with "i" before?
15:31.16captain_protonthere wasn't a problem with it ;)
15:31.42learnerok.. what was _my_ problem with i before
15:33.45learnerheheh, so you changed nothing, yet now it works? ha
15:34.12captain_protoni can understand why key movement might break
15:34.16captain_proton(because of roaming)
15:34.59captain_protonhmm
15:35.06Chestalkey movement never really worked for me
15:35.16ChestalI always get a stuttering movement, very strange and unusable
15:36.22learnerhmm... always been nice and smooth for me, probably platform event implementation differences
15:37.00learnermkay off to work I go
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16:02.13CIA03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx):
16:02.14CIAFix for windows ( multiple defined iterators'it')
16:02.14CIAComprimise: neg z scale activages z flip flag.
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16:22.07Chestalanother case of the for loop scoping bug?
16:22.47patlabor221yeah
16:22.59patlabor221just a redef
16:23.29patlabor221just changed the other one to 'it2'
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16:23.43ChestalI really think we should add #define for if (false) ; else  workaround for vc++
16:23.49Chestalit's a hack, but at least it works
16:23.58patlabor221???
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16:24.19Chestalwith this beautiful macro, vc++ 6 will do the for scoping correctly :-)
16:24.23ChestalI have proposed this before
16:24.26patlabor221so put it in
16:24.52patlabor221pop it in the VC6 config.h
16:24.55Chestalhas been a long time since I proposed it, I think peopel didn't like it back then
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16:25.31patlabor221I have learned that no mater what you do, somone won't like it
16:26.16patlabor221of if I do that, I get all kinds of syntax errors
16:33.28prot-workyay for tennis girls
16:39.06scanlinehow's it going?
16:39.14scanlineI assume you saw all that code I committed this morning :)
16:40.00prot-workscanline: yeah, been fixing it too :)
16:40.23scanlineoh.. what broke?
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16:40.32prot-workscanline: one neat bug that still isn't fixed: team flags are included in the random set it chooses, no matter whether its ctf or not
16:41.08prot-workscanline: there were some possible initialization errors (cl options initializing before flagMap), and one occurance where you were incrementing the wrong iterator
16:41.10scanlinehmm, that's MAC's code
16:41.19scanlineMAC did most of bzfs
16:41.50prot-workwell flagMap could be problematic anywhere
16:42.03prot-workalso, you were sending FlagNull to the client as a missing flag =)
16:42.33prot-workbut in general, it looks very good
16:42.48scanlineoh? I was watching the negotiation via traceproxy and didn't see that
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16:43.27scanlineI did update teh wiki with the new negotiation messages
16:43.32scanlines/teh/the/
16:43.57prot-workwell - it was happening for me
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16:44.05prot-worki just made bzfs not pack it if it was NullFlag
16:44.20scanlinethat works
16:44.32scanlinebzflag should give a nice spiffy error message for missing flags now
16:44.37learnerAtWorkyou! scanline... grrr
16:44.48learnerAtWork:)
16:45.14scanlineeh?
16:46.08learnerAtWorkhehe, when I work up this morning, I had a berzerk script trying to run a flailing bzfs that crashed while running :)
16:46.12scanlineand we're sort of in the middle of testing a spacecraft :)
16:46.45learnerAtWorkmore my scripts fault than anything, since I didn't check the bzfs return code
16:47.25scanlinehte only testing I did before committing was with a local bzfs and bzflag and a few different combinations of flags
16:47.28scanlineand that traceproxy test
16:47.39learnerAtWorkso it was in a tight loop bus erroring all over the place over and over
16:48.03learnerAtWorkhad been doing it most of the night :)
16:48.05prot-workhehe
16:48.42scanlinefigured you fine folks would fix the rest
16:49.03scanline:)
16:49.15learnerAtWorkI saw the "I'd like to see cap and mac's face in the morning" comment :)
16:49.42learnerAtWorkshoulda seen my face
16:50.04scanlinehehe
16:51.54scanlineoh yeah... another fyou can connect to bzfs.py and drive around now
16:52.05scanlines/fyou/fun tidbit: you/
16:52.13scanlinethis link is dropping characters...
16:52.46prot-workdropping characters?
16:53.07scanlineprobably the keyboard or windows' fault
16:54.06prot-workdefinitely not the link :)
16:54.25prot-workssh would get hopelessly confused if a character got dropped somehow
16:54.49Mayhemproblem in the chair-keyboard interface :)
16:54.52scanlineI meant the link between my hands and navi
16:55.11prot-workhehe
16:55.58prot-workheh, neat
16:56.03prot-workopenoffice.org runs on irix now =)
16:56.26learnerAtWork~slashdot
16:56.55learnerAtWorkwhere'd you hear about that?
16:56.59prot-workosnews
16:57.05learnerAtWorkah
16:57.20prot-workand the usual trolls saying "why? nobody uses sgi"
16:57.39learnerAtWorkugh
16:59.08learnerAtWorkdang busted ad image  -- page won't load
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17:01.46prot-workhow come so many linux users don't have a clue when it comes to operating systems?
17:02.11sussudioas opposed to windows users who don't know what 'operating system' means?
17:02.18Mayhemhehe
17:02.37sussudioor umm mac users, who don't know the thing they're using is a "koompooter"
17:02.47patlabor221when all you do us "use the internet" why do you need to know what an OS is?
17:02.51prot-workwindows has its uses
17:02.53learnerAtWorkbecause they are l33t h4(k0rs -- there is nothing better than what they have!
17:02.54prot-workas does macos
17:03.12sussudiointernet comes on an AOL CD!
17:03.34patlabor221my mac has a very important use
17:03.42sussudiodoorstop?
17:03.45patlabor221holds up the monitor shelf
17:03.58patlabor221I do use an SE30 as a doorsotp
17:04.10sussudiothey're good for that
17:04.18patlabor221yeah with the handle
17:04.21sussudiotoo bad my cat threw up on it
17:04.29JBDiGrizIf the machine can make money for me, it has it's uses.
17:04.29sussudioguess he doesnt likes macs
17:04.57learnerAtWorkanyone know if torvalds is going to be at linuxworld this year?  he's not listed as a speaker
17:04.58JBDiGrizMy cat doesn't like the new imacs. The monitors are too thin to sleep on.
17:05.27sussudioi use several XT's and 286's as sound insulation
17:06.02sussudiothat and you can use them to step on. try that with a new case :-|
17:07.15JBDiGrizlearnerAtWork: How much programming did you do on BeOS?
17:07.25learnerAtWorkGassee screwed up that offer
17:07.56learnerAtWorkJBDiGriz: just a little, enough to get the basics of the architecture and libraries
17:08.04sussudiohmm cool... some people held up a postoffice dressed in tinfoil suits and carrying crossbows
17:08.25sussudiomaybe they were looking for linuxtag
17:08.56prot-worki prefer the plan9 libs to be :)
17:09.20JBDiGrizI did a bit on BeOS, and on NeXT. Neither seemed very compelling. NeXT suffered from Objective-C! :-(
17:09.48JBDiGrizNow if Apple had used Plan9, that would have been cool!
17:09.51learnerAtWorkBeOS libs and NeXTstep libs are both decent enough, the BeOS kernel, though, was amazing
17:10.04learnerAtWorkheh, plan9 would have been a lot of work :)  but cool
17:10.36JBDiGrizThe guys at Bell Labs put a lot of work into plan9, but it was never adopted anywhere.
17:10.50prot-workJBDiGriz: eh - we still have a few 9 users
17:10.58learnerAtWorkreally?
17:11.02prot-worki really like how it takes the filesystem metaphor to the extreme
17:11.24learnerAtWorkJeff Raskin would hate that
17:11.27JBDiGrizNot enough for me to install a plan9 machine at home and start looking for work, unfortunately.
17:11.29prot-workhehe
17:11.39prot-workJBDiGriz: indeed
17:11.55sussudiothe discussions in alt.os.windows2000 about people who installed SP4 are kinda amusing
17:11.56JBDiGrizdmr always liked the concept of filesystems
17:12.58learnerAtWorkif you are already comfortable with the metaphor, it works ok
17:13.05learnerAtWorkpain if you don't though
17:13.19prot-worklearnerAtWork: well - thats the interface - any GUI can be put on top of it
17:14.37learnerAtWorktrue, though to date, all of the interfaces over a filesystem/desktop have been file heirarchies, desktops, and folders :)
17:15.18JBDiGrizWhich of those is /proc?
17:15.28learnerAtWorkraskin's zooming interface and file-less ideas are a bit compelling, though the migration path from filesystems isn't clear
17:16.26JBDiGrizlearnerAtWork: Oh, you're talking about the GUI, not the API, sorry.
17:16.59learnerAtWork;)
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17:36.19Michaelhthere's nothing like opening your email box and see 100+ bzmessage there.....
17:36.27Michaelhdialup is sooo coool
17:36.34prot-workhehe
17:37.24Michaelhis there like one dude who's given his life away to Python Bzflag? :)
17:37.48prot-workthat would be scanline
17:38.35MichaelhIf I were unemployed I'd contribute a little more......
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17:39.45Michaelhor maybe if I could find some slacker employee that'd let me hang out on IRC all day long at work.. then I could also contribute more
17:39.52Michaelhemployer
17:39.54Michaelh:)
17:40.34learnerAtWorkI wrote a bot to do it for me while I'm at work
17:40.47Michaelhto write code? :)
17:40.49patlabor221you wrote a bot to work?
17:40.56learnerAtWorkto be on irc
17:40.59patlabor221wow and your in charge of our countrys defense :)
17:41.07learnerAtWorkhehe
17:41.28Michaelhso pat are you also in the defense industry?
17:41.33learnerAtWorkI'm a very good bot :)
17:41.36patlabor221nope
17:41.44patlabor221tho our software is used by people who are
17:41.46JBDiGrizOut country's defense is also in the hands of bots. ;-)
17:41.53sussudioUS congress?
17:42.11learnerAtWorkbots are more intelligent that most of the people around here :/
17:42.14Michaelhseems to be either : make stuff that kills or : web forms and xML
17:42.50JBDiGrizMichaelh: Some of us don't fall into either classification.
17:42.54Michaelhaw man
17:43.01Michaelhah well
17:43.26MichaelhI haven't been exposed enough to know what translates into real positions in the real world
17:43.27patlabor221how I loath the orange lines
17:43.52Michaelhorange lines?
17:43.55learnerAtWorkstay away from lines
17:44.01patlabor221I can't
17:44.04patlabor221it's my job
17:44.06patlabor221read the lines
17:44.13patlabor221make them into ugly text
17:44.17learnerAtWorkugh
17:44.22JBDiGrizDon't draw outside the lines.
17:44.26learnerAtWorksounds like you need a bot too, pat :)
17:44.33patlabor221naw I don't make the lines
17:44.44patlabor221that's somone else's job
17:44.49MichaelhSo you could like make a bot that goes balistic like in that one book I read for software engineering, huh pat
17:45.20patlabor221naw noone goes balistic here
17:45.31patlabor221I work for one of those slacker employers that you want so bad.
17:45.42learnerAtWorkhehehehehe
17:46.08JBDiGrizpatlabor221: Do they need any more people? ;-)
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17:46.16patlabor221well I dono
17:46.23patlabor221one of our testers is quiting
17:46.31patlabor221and I know we are looking for a tech support person
17:46.48patlabor221I think the basic idea we have is we take the stuff that learner has and make it real
17:47.12patlabor221http://www.gibbscam.com/graphics/product/gc2002/SE_GibbsCAM_Addin_lg.jpg
17:48.09fiberchunkshas there been some sort of flipz decision made?
17:48.19patlabor221I hooked up a comprimise
17:48.27patlabor221neg Z scale flips on the flag
17:48.31Michaelhoooh a home made morter!
17:48.34JBDiGrizpatlabor221: SecureIIS application firewall security alert (IIS, yuch!)
17:48.47patlabor221yeah, our IS dept is a single idiot
17:48.51prot-workpatlabor221: so its still using up an extra byte over the wire? :)
17:48.52patlabor221we need somone down there too
17:48.59patlabor221yes, you will live cap
17:49.16patlabor221yayyyy that means I can take over
17:49.22larsl_56kFlips on the flag?
17:49.25patlabor221michaelh we don't play much
17:49.28Michaelh0 years of work experience, but gosh I read fast
17:49.30learnerAtWorklol, pat/cap
17:49.50Michaelhand I'm also funny too
17:50.03fiberchunkswhat happens when other objects are introduced into the world files? such as cylinders, etc?  I assume that will be sending extra bytes over the wire as well - so are those objects never going to be included?
17:50.08patlabor221neg scale turns on the flipZ option for the object, the old flip Z does something difrent then what my flip Z option does
17:50.30patlabor221fiber, I don't think they have given ANY thought to more objecs
17:50.37patlabor221I want to get away from "objects"
17:50.43Michaelhboxes are coooooooolllll
17:50.51patlabor221yes but there are other ways to make them
17:50.58patlabor221that are WAYYYY COOOOOOOOLLLLLLLEEEEEERRRR
17:51.00fiberchunkswhen I say objects, I mean that in the real world sense, not the coding sense
17:51.12patlabor221so do I
17:51.29patlabor221the real world isn't make of boxes, pyramids, cylinders etc...
17:51.40fiberchunkstrue
17:51.53larsl_56kCSG would be really interesting.
17:51.58patlabor221yes
17:52.03fiberchunksCSG?
17:52.08patlabor221and you could even "import" old maps
17:52.10larsl_56kClosed Shape Geometry.
17:52.15fiberchunksah, thx
17:52.21patlabor221Constructive solid geometry actualy
17:52.21learnerAtWorkyay, for CSG :)
17:52.24prot-worki always thought it stood for "constructive solid"...
17:52.28learnerAtWorkyes
17:52.29patlabor221it does
17:52.31larsl_56kWhatever. =)
17:52.40fiberchunksah, hrm, thx
17:52.43learnerAtWorkclosed... sheesh
17:52.56patlabor221it is all closed, it's all manifold
17:53.05patlabor221manifold = good
17:53.19Michaelhso that is some sort of library?
17:53.24patlabor221no
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17:53.26patlabor221it's a method
17:53.32Michaelhah so
17:53.37larsl_56kWhat's a 'manifold' in the 3D context?
17:53.45patlabor221basicly quake, unreal, and all those use types of CSG
17:53.46learnerAtWorkhttp://www.olympus.net/personal/mortenson/preview/definitionsc/constructivesolidgeometry.html
17:53.53patlabor221manifold = no gaps
17:54.00patlabor221would hold water if you filled the shell
17:54.06larsl_56kAh, a closed surface?
17:54.25patlabor221yes
17:54.25larsl_56kWithout "edges".
17:54.27learnerAtWorkmathematically a closed shape, yes
17:54.32patlabor221well it can have edges
17:54.38patlabor221they just have to be closed
17:54.54larsl_56kNo visible two-dimensional walls.
17:54.56patlabor221your thinging of G1 (or what ever the number is ) continuous
17:54.59fiberchunksthe primitives, I assume, are the standard definitions of drawing primitives?
17:55.15learnerAtWorkif you walked along the outside of any object, you could never slip through a "crack" and get inside the object
17:55.18patlabor221prims are usualy manifold
17:55.27learnerAtWork"usually"
17:55.32patlabor221and if all you do is add subtract and untion those your allways manifold
17:55.45patlabor221well it all depends on what your prim is :)
17:55.54patlabor221and how you store your solids
17:55.58prot-worki thought the prims have to be manifold
17:56.07patlabor221like what learner?
17:56.15patlabor221more then the booleans?
17:56.33patlabor221for CSG yeah they need to be manifold cap
17:56.40learnerAtWorkand/or/not/xor/xand/if/iff, etc
17:56.56patlabor221if on a solid?
17:57.02learnerAtWorkyes :)))
17:57.23learnerAtWorkit's all still binary space logic
17:57.27patlabor221cap, we do solid modeling but we let you use surfaces too so sometimes it gets non manifold
17:57.34Michaelhmost games require some huge honking download for worlds don't they? unlike bzflag.....
17:57.49patlabor221not realy, most games uses a binary format, very small
17:58.02learnerAtWorkwe are one of the oldest csg'ers out there
17:58.18patlabor221what you guys using now?
17:58.27Michaelhwhat about something like quake?
17:58.28patlabor221pro-e?
17:58.41patlabor221well like unreal my maps here are like 600k
17:58.47learnerAtWorkwe have our own software
17:58.51patlabor221ahhh
17:58.55patlabor221your own kernel?
17:58.59learnerAtWorkyes
17:59.02patlabor221coo
17:59.04learnerAtWorkvery old
17:59.10learnerAtWorkone of the first raytracers
17:59.14patlabor221ahh
17:59.23learnerAtWorkvery mature code
17:59.35patlabor221we use parasolid for our internal stuff, and acis to translate some stuff
17:59.50learnerAtWorkah.. you're one of _those_ .. :)
18:00.08patlabor221well we didn't want to spend 5 years making out own kernel
18:00.18patlabor221can you blame us :) we want to make money
18:00.27learnerAtWorknope, can't blame you
18:00.40patlabor221tho it has been said that we have the best ACIS -> Parasolid translator out there
18:00.58patlabor221parasolid seems prety good, tho there teselator sucks
18:01.31learnerAtWorkour codebase predates most everything, and nothing still comes close to it's performance or our models
18:01.50learnerAtWorkunigraphics was a joke rendering one particular scene :)
18:01.57patlabor221yeah UG is a joke :)
18:02.11patlabor221we arn't optimised for large surf count models
18:02.22patlabor221we just make each part at a time
18:02.27patlabor221we are not a design package
18:02.47patlabor221we'll take one of your liitle parts and make it real
18:03.14patlabor221tho we do have a fair bit of modeler code in there
18:04.13patlabor221I made a plugin once to import marathon levels into our app, that was funny :)
18:05.37learnerAtWorkour primary focus is high-speed ray->object intersections
18:05.52learnerAtWorkwe have a modeller, but it's probably the worst out there
18:06.14patlabor221ahh
18:06.22learnerAtWorkour database format would be "perfect" for a bzflag world, though :)
18:06.27patlabor221testing and analisis kinda thing?
18:06.33learnerAtWorkall the primitives you could ever want
18:06.40learnerAtWorkemphasis on analysis, yes
18:07.09patlabor221ahh so you make sure it's gonna work before the send it to our stuff to make it real
18:07.43learnerAtWorkheh. not quite :)
18:07.59learnerAtWorkwe're not in the design phase
18:08.18fiberchunkslol
18:08.19learnerAtWorkhehe
18:08.37patlabor221big dif between +z 0.1 and -z 0.1
18:17.12learnerAtWorkbtw, pat, union==or, difference==if, intersection==and
18:17.41learnerAtWorkiirc
18:17.52patlabor221yeah
18:18.22learnerAtWorki just want the more complex ones
18:18.30patlabor221code it up :)
18:18.54prot-worklearnerAtWork: you should be able to get those via combinations of the above...
18:19.07learnerAtWorkI know
18:19.29learnerAtWorkexcept for "not"
18:19.31prot-workin fact...we should just implement xor and let people assemble the rest ;)
18:20.12learnerAtWorkyou'd need some sense of a global "universe" primitive
18:20.27prot-workor just a really honkin' big box =)
18:20.36learnerAtWork:-)
18:24.59learnerAtWorkbzgirl was here?? just noticed she left
18:27.28learnerAtWork~bzseen learner
18:27.33fiberchunksshe is always about -- ghostly silent ;)
18:28.28learnerAtWork'cept when she's scrathin' her feet :)
18:28.48learnerAtWorker, scratchin'
18:29.31fiberchunksheh
18:31.27learnerAtWorklol
18:31.56learnerAtWorkthe um.. flavor savor? :)
18:32.40fiberchunksheh, that doesn't exist anymore -- and my head is shaved for summer coolness
18:32.51learnerAtWorkheh
18:33.06learnerAtWorkI don't see any T3's rolling into that place
18:33.17learnerAtWorkor even T1's for that matter
18:33.31fiberchunksnor do I -- I think your best bet there would be satellite
18:33.42learnerAtWorkugh
18:34.03fiberchunksthere are no phones, no running water, but there IS electricity! (yay!)
18:34.13learnerAtWorkneed someone to route part of the backbone -- right through your little cabin :)
18:34.19fiberchunksheh
18:34.23learnerAtWorkOC3
18:34.41learnerAtWorkor better
18:36.13fiberchunksI'm big on telepathic interfaces to everything -- get cracking learnerAtWork ;)
18:36.41fiberchunksheh
18:37.00fiberchunksever since a show on Discovery bout the AF using them to control flight (flight by thought)
18:37.05fiberchunks_neat_ idea
18:50.55Mayhemhmm, fly by thought? you need to watch Macross Plus :)
18:52.29MayhemOr read Flight of the Cheetah by Dale Brown
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20:02.57magiclooking at my new xchat, i can see i have not run xchat for a long time :-)
20:06.08magicbtw ches, are u here?
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21:00.03sussudioChestal: do you keep server logs for ducati?
21:06.07Chestalsussudio: sometimes
21:06.49sussudioChestal: it is my opinion that Chikorita should be banned from the server, how long is up to you.
21:07.57Mayhemsussudio: why do you want that?
21:08.22sussudiohang out on the server sometime, you'll see why.
21:08.34MayhemI do, I was just on ducati
21:08.46MayhemI don't know what you are talking about
21:09.51MayhemPerhaps this is part of your vendetta against Chikorita?
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21:10.05sussudioshe curses endlessly. i am under the impression that whoever has admin privileges won't kick her because she's of the opposite sex.
21:10.20sussudioMayhem: bull.
21:10.53MayhemI can't say I've ever noticed her cursing, but I'll go and lurk and check.
21:11.15sussudiook, but i've seen people banned for less. much less.
21:11.17Chestalsussudio:  I do not easily ban or kick for cursing
21:12.28Mayhemroot often says !@#$...
21:13.27sussudioso? !@#$ is not an actual curse.
21:13.33sussudioChestal: how about harassement?
21:13.39Mayhemso far she has said 'yay' twice and 'heh' once
21:13.57JBDiGrizThat sounds more like chik.
21:13.59Mayhemsussudio: isn't what you do when she comes on here harrasement?
21:14.13Mayhems/harrasement/harassment/
21:14.25sussudioMayhem: do you think so? have you even been on ducati when she is on there?
21:14.30Chestalsussudio: when you do not want to talk to her, put her on ignore
21:14.40Mayhemsussudio: I often play at the same time as Chikorita
21:14.48ChestalI am not goign through the server logs to see what exactly you two were talking about
21:15.57Mayhemsussudio: is this alleged cursing only to you, or in public chat?
21:16.07sussudioboth
21:16.38Chestalin gernal, I do not ban people anyway, unless they ruin the game, and even then usually only temporary
21:17.30Mayhemsussudio: how long do I have to wait between curses? haven't had one yet.
21:17.32sussudioChikorita is doing that and so is Spiff, in a lesser way, he comes in as an observer and uses ducati as a substitute AOL chatroom.....
21:18.36Mayhemyou really have something against people who use AOL.
21:19.03sussudioi have something about people who are like AOL stereotypes.
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22:28.50Mayhemhmm, the new Debian libglide causes missing lines in my bzflag hud.
22:29.18MayhemI wonder if I should complain here or to Debian (since I can't complain to 3dfx :)
22:29.42patlabor221or get a real card :)
22:29.47Mayhemscreenshots: http://homepages.zen.co.uk/zen13666/bz/
22:29.59Mayhempatlabor221: that would require spending money :)
22:30.08patlabor22128$
22:30.37Mayhemhey, it works fine cept for this. It takes me 10 secs to downgrade to the old drivers.
22:35.44TimRikerMayhem: complain to debian or try fixing it yourself. ;-)
22:35.53larsl_56k~country .hf
22:36.11patlabor221http://www.bakadigital.com/sample.jpg
22:37.05TimRikerwe need to fix up what's in cvs and stop adding things for a while.
22:37.08TimRikerthoughts?
22:37.15prot-workpatlabor221: productive at work i see...
22:37.29prot-workTimRiker: well - i'm working on fixing up the config stuff, its mostly done at this point
22:37.29TimRikerI don't want the quality down so low we never release.
22:37.30larsl_56kTimRiker: That sounds like a good idea.
22:37.36patlabor221awww yeah I am
22:37.42patlabor221what is busted in CVS?
22:37.45patlabor221do we have a list?
22:37.50prot-workscanline & MAC's rampage last night was very much needed
22:37.58larsl_56kpatlabor221: Are the red walls the outer edge of the map?
22:38.01TimRikerprot-work: yeah, let's finish the config stuff and the bzdb stuff and get everything working with it again.
22:38.08patlabor221they would be yes larsl
22:38.22TimRikerprot-work: nod. needed, but far reaching.
22:38.34TimRikertime to clean it up and live there for a bit.
22:38.38prot-workyep
22:39.14larsl_56kDo we have a Doxyfile somewhere in CVS?
22:39.25prot-worklarsl_56k: misc/doxyfile
22:39.41larsl_56kThanks.
22:40.38prot-workBUGS has a few semi-urgent things
22:40.53prot-workmost notably rabbit, bzfs callbacks & team flags
22:43.11prot-workerr
22:43.15prot-works/bzfs/bzdb
22:50.48prot-workthe team flags one is funny
22:50.53prot-workadds a nice splash of color to it =)
22:51.03larsl_56kI have to look at the bzdb code sometime, it seems to become an important part of the program.
22:51.35CIA03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (bzflag.cxx): move a couple more values into bzdb
22:51.53prot-workhmm, almost to 1.100 on bzflag.cxx
22:51.59patlabor221cap I still need your help in the shot strat thing to make shots bounce off the ground.
22:57.50TimRikerhttp://bzflag.org/doxygen/ <- not too useful.
22:59.22larsl_56kIt probably should show undocumented classes/functions too.
22:59.35larsl_56kEXTRACT_ALL or something like that.
23:07.55TimRikerahh. better.
23:20.33larsl_56kWhat do the different exit codes in bzfs mean?
23:20.49larsl_56kExcept 0 I see 1 and 20.
23:27.24patlabor221whoot, worlds only 13,000$ level editor :)
23:29.27TimRikerthey mean it's not 0.
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