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| 01:20.19 | doughecjka | heya Patlabor221 |
| 01:20.37 | fiberchunks | is there an equivalent structure (ala main.cpp) in python? or is it just a boatload of modules? |
| 01:21.09 | captain_proton | the base program is the main |
| 01:21.19 | captain_proton | so the top level code in worldviewer.py, for example |
| 01:22.08 | fiberchunks | ah, thx |
| 01:23.56 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable added to the repository |
| 01:24.08 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (11 files in 2 dirs): separate drawables out into another module |
| 01:24.13 | captain_proton | there they come |
| 01:25.47 | sussudio | marching down the street? |
| 01:26.04 | fiberchunks | but has much to learn :\ |
| 01:27.06 | Patlabor221 | I was gonna try it as a replacement for our custom language at work but it can't be used |
| 01:27.12 | fiberchunks | why not? |
| 01:27.20 | Patlabor221 | the indent thing |
| 01:27.23 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 01:27.31 | Patlabor221 | users woudl never get it |
| 01:27.45 | fiberchunks | what, for glines &c? |
| 01:27.54 | Patlabor221 | for all of it |
| 01:28.00 | Patlabor221 | python uses indent as blocks |
| 01:28.12 | fiberchunks | well yes, but I meant your language |
| 01:28.26 | fiberchunks | I assumed you meant the CAM users would never get it |
| 01:28.29 | Patlabor221 | ohh our lang turns our toolpath and ops into g-code |
| 01:28.34 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 01:28.42 | Patlabor221 | our post devs would never get it |
| 01:28.46 | fiberchunks | gotcha |
| 01:28.53 | Patlabor221 | they barely get what we have now |
| 01:29.33 | Patlabor221 | I gave them the ability to name there variables anythign they wanted and they are still calling them 1,2,3 |
| 01:30.20 | Patlabor221 | I just could not splain it to them, nor get them to follow it |
| 01:30.26 | Patlabor221 | they are all old |
| 01:33.40 | Patlabor221 | it's sad, I bought a game just so I could mod xboxes |
| 01:33.58 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 01:33.59 | doughecjka | hah |
| 01:36.51 | Patlabor221 | thankfully it was only 16.99 |
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| 01:48.22 | scanline | fiberchunks: when you import a module, you're really just running all the code in it. Running a file in python just imports it |
| 01:49.05 | scanline | fiberchunks: you'll see a lot of code that both works as a module and a standalone program- if __name__ == "__main__", you're in the 'main program' so to speak |
| 01:49.10 | captain_proton | 'lo scanline |
| 01:49.14 | scanline | hiya |
| 01:49.35 | scanline | ooh, lotsa updates |
| 01:49.59 | captain_proton | semi-trivial change |
| 01:50.38 | scanline | what would you think about moving all the OpenGL related stuff to a subdirectory of UI? |
| 01:50.47 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 01:50.48 | captain_proton | maybe |
| 01:50.51 | captain_proton | i moved all the drawables |
| 01:51.02 | scanline | I don't know it it would really be helpful or if I'm just getting paranoid =) |
| 01:51.15 | captain_proton | i think you're getting paranoid |
| 01:51.21 | scanline | ok |
| 01:51.24 | captain_proton | i think if we just import things properly it won't be an issue |
| 01:52.06 | captain_proton | ringball's "ok knocks", who wrote "i've been in lots of planes" |
| 01:52.48 | scanline | hm, is sf's CVS being intermittently bad again? |
| 01:53.03 | captain_proton | i didn't notice that earlier |
| 01:53.20 | scanline | well, I cvs up'ed right when I got here and it worked |
| 01:53.31 | scanline | I just did it again accidentally and it's timing out |
| 01:54.09 | fiberchunks | scanline> thanks :) |
| 01:54.11 | captain_proton | erg |
| 01:54.33 | scanline | captain_proton: broke there too, eh? |
| 01:54.43 | captain_proton | yeah :( |
| 01:54.56 | scanline | it's really odd that it seems to either work pretty fast or not at all... |
| 01:55.44 | Michaelh | so how does sf survive, do they sell software to companies that actually pay them? |
| 01:55.54 | scanline | something like that |
| 01:55.59 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/irix.png <-- this should get added to the screenshots page |
| 01:56.00 | scanline | they have an enterprise package dealy |
| 01:56.12 | scanline | whee! |
| 01:56.51 | scanline | yaknow, maybe it's time pybzflag have a thingy on bzflag.org for this sort of stuff? |
| 01:57.00 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 01:57.00 | captain_proton | probably |
| 01:58.12 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/ <-- good bit of screenies there now |
| 01:58.33 | scanline | and all of them are pybzflag except for the 'flame thrower' screen shot, and that was using bzfs.py |
| 02:00.51 | captain_proton | you should work on that rendering optimization ;-) |
| 02:01.05 | scanline | hehe.. in anaglyph, the teleporters really close to the camera are striped black, red, yellow, and green |
| 02:01.12 | scanline | ah yes, I was going to do that wasn't I |
| 02:01.39 | scanline | but first, I should grab a... piece of chicken! |
| 02:03.47 | scanline | any ideas for a model format? |
| 02:04.07 | scanline | I think I saw something about some model loaders at the py3d site |
| 02:04.35 | captain_proton | nope |
| 02:04.46 | captain_proton | obj is probably the most common |
| 02:05.02 | scanline | aha, cvs up works again |
| 02:05.04 | scanline | funky |
| 02:16.17 | scanline | hrm, using one big display list still slows it down |
| 02:16.32 | scanline | on a world with around 10000 boxes, went from 5 FHz to 3 FHz |
| 02:17.16 | fiberchunks | scanline> in BZFlag.Protocol.FromServer there is an import I don't understand, namely: from BZFlag.Protocol import * \n from BZFlag.Protocol import Common <<< isn't Common imported when you do import * ? |
| 02:17.53 | scanline | no.. Common is a module, not an attribute of the Protocol package, so you have to import it explicitly |
| 02:18.07 | scanline | the 'import *' would work if Protocol contained an "import Common" |
| 02:18.17 | fiberchunks | ah, gotcha |
| 02:18.18 | fiberchunks | thx |
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| 02:23.53 | fiberchunks | ./chat.py -sbrlcad.org:4242 -cfiberchunks -trogue -u3D << yields: AttributeError: Game instance has no attribute 'onLoadWorld' |
| 02:27.44 | fiberchunks | :) latest snap is what I'm using right now -- and spaces are extra typage ;) |
| 02:28.00 | scanline | I just fixed it, so there should be a new snap |
| 02:28.29 | captain_proton | scanline: cvs up and try the editor |
| 02:28.30 | fiberchunks | neatness :) |
| 02:28.34 | captain_proton | should se 4 boxes =) |
| 02:28.37 | captain_proton | s/se/see |
| 02:28.46 | scanline | captain_proton: my code is in a non-executable state |
| 02:28.56 | captain_proton | ah |
| 02:29.20 | Patlabor221 | wow and I thought I was a bad modeler, what one of these 2 heads do you think is in a real comercial game? http://home.wnm.net/~bgriff/MW_WElfF04c.JPG |
| 02:30.05 | Patlabor221 | and what one do you think has more polys? |
| 02:30.42 | fiberchunks | the one on the right |
| 02:31.07 | Patlabor221 | the one on the right is in a game, and has more pollys |
| 02:31.29 | Patlabor221 | this guy did the left, he's is damn good |
| 02:31.31 | Michaelh | those are some lethal ears on the left :) |
| 02:31.33 | fiberchunks | scanline> initiating a quit keypress (either esc or q) hangs the chat.py client |
| 02:31.46 | Patlabor221 | anime elves :) |
| 02:32.04 | scanline | fiberchunks: eh, blame python's sucky threads |
| 02:33.14 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 02:33.44 | scanline | pressing escape should turn off the event loop's run flag and cause the stdin thread to die |
| 02:33.52 | scanline | but there's no way to interrupt a read from stdin |
| 02:33.59 | scanline | so you'll probably have to press enter to kill it |
| 02:35.24 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 02:36.10 | scanline | woo! |
| 02:36.21 | scanline | got it to go from 5 FHz to 8.6 FHz |
| 02:38.02 | Michaelh | woohoo "You've Got Mail!" |
| 02:38.02 | scanline | feh, CVS being naughty again |
| 02:39.07 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (9 files in 2 dirs): Cleaned up drawables a little in various ways, added a TextureGroup class that can store an entire texture/rendering pass in one big display list |
| 02:39.09 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (chat.py): onLoadWorld -> world.onLoad |
| 02:39.14 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (3 files in 2 dirs): add a test widget to the editor view |
| 02:39.18 | scanline | hmm, those came in in the wrong order |
| 02:40.11 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (ThreeDView.py): Make this work with non-displaylist drawables |
| 02:41.06 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (Teleporter.py): Fix teleporters |
| 02:42.27 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (TestWidget.py): Fix TestWidget for display list changes |
| 02:43.06 | captain_proton | we need a way to make the lighting on the widgets be independent of the scene |
| 02:43.21 | scanline | could make them a different view |
| 02:43.40 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:45.51 | scanline | bah... |
| 02:46.03 | scanline | the display lists for texture groups seem to still have problems when most of the scene is behind you |
| 02:46.30 | captain_proton | just need a bsp of display lists ;-) |
| 02:47.13 | scanline | :) |
| 02:47.42 | scanline | as it is now it would probably run disgustingly fast on the Onyx |
| 02:48.06 | scanline | arr.. and I seem to have broken teleporter fields |
| 02:48.49 | scanline | ahhh |
| 02:49.57 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (ThreeDView.py): Oops, typo was causing it to render the first pass twice rather than rendering the second pass |
| 02:50.19 | scanline | now that demo with 10000 boxes or so is running at 12 FHz |
| 02:51.42 | scanline | hmm |
| 02:52.07 | scanline | captain_proton: a different view might indeed be good for these widgets.. as it is you can get them to intersect with the scene really easily, since you don't clear the depth buffer |
| 02:53.57 | scanline | then again, you will want some of the widgets to be in the same coordinate space as the scene... |
| 02:54.17 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 02:54.33 | scanline | could have a third rendering pass for widgets that are in the scene but don't want lighting, and a fourth for widgets that are outside of the scene and want the Z-buffer cleared :) |
| 02:54.54 | scanline | could also munge the matrix between those rendering passes |
| 02:57.12 | captain_proton | sounds like it might be worth it to subclass 3d view for this |
| 02:58.07 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (ThreeDView.py): Clean up rendering passes a bit |
| 02:59.00 | scanline | maybe |
| 02:59.14 | scanline | though for an editor we'll need the ability to insert and otherwise manipulate objects in the scene |
| 02:59.38 | scanline | it'd be better to keep all the widgety complexity outside the view |
| 03:00.01 | captain_proton | since nobody other than the editor will want those passes |
| 03:00.24 | captain_proton | the actual widgets would be implemented in the controller |
| 03:00.28 | captain_proton | they just stick stuff into the scene |
| 03:00.45 | scanline | hm.. would be nice to have a higher level way to define rendering passes |
| 03:00.49 | scanline | but I suppose subclassing will do |
| 03:00.51 | captain_proton | and get picking information |
| 03:01.24 | scanline | the extra passes wouldn't be specific to the editor |
| 03:01.39 | scanline | you could call them the unlit pass and the overlay pass.. I can think of uses for both in-game |
| 03:01.51 | captain_proton | true |
| 03:01.59 | scanline | and if the overlay pass is empty, don't bother clearing the z-buffer |
| 03:02.28 | scanline | hrm... |
| 03:02.40 | scanline | actually, no need for an unlit pass |
| 03:02.47 | scanline | lighting isn't that big a state change, is it? |
| 03:02.49 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 03:02.56 | captain_proton | eh |
| 03:03.00 | captain_proton | in-scene widgets can use lighting |
| 03:03.08 | scanline | ah, true |
| 03:03.27 | scanline | and actually, overlay widgets will want lighting, just different lights stuck to the camera |
| 03:03.28 | captain_proton | one issue i see is that we'll want lighting on the overlay pass |
| 03:04.17 | scanline | how about classes for rendering passes? |
| 03:04.37 | scanline | then it would be easy for the editor or whatever to construct a pass that has the options it wants and insert it into the view |
| 03:04.38 | captain_proton | how do we filter the various drawables into those buckets? |
| 03:05.06 | scanline | each pass could have a function that decides whether it wants a given drawable |
| 03:05.52 | Patlabor221 | It think me tank is too fat :( http://www.bakadigital.com/phat.jpg |
| 03:06.20 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 03:06.27 | captain_proton | what about if its wanted by multiple passes? |
| 03:06.37 | scanline | then multiple passes would render it |
| 03:06.42 | scanline | generally you'd try to avoid that I think |
| 03:07.01 | scanline | hmm... |
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| 03:07.11 | scanline | actually, I see what you mean |
| 03:07.16 | SGI | hi all |
| 03:07.24 | scanline | the default rendering passes shouldn't have to know to avoid picking up widgets, for example |
| 03:07.35 | SGI | quol there is some prob with your server |
| 03:08.02 | scanline | how about giving rendering passes priorities, which the passes are sorted by for the purposes of picking up drawables, then once the first pass picks up a drawable the others don't get a chance to |
| 03:09.01 | captain_proton | so we'd have widgets get picked up first, then blended objects, then scene? |
| 03:09.07 | Patlabor221 | screamers did something like that |
| 03:09.10 | scanline | yep |
| 03:09.18 | captain_proton | and maybe add a second widget pass if we wanted blended widgets |
| 03:09.23 | scanline | indeedy |
| 03:09.31 | Patlabor221 | each object defined what it's drawbables were and put them in a priortiy que |
| 03:09.44 | scanline | the only thing that still bugs me about that solution is that the priorities would have to be rather arbitrary... |
| 03:09.47 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 03:10.21 | scanline | pretty successful.. I think that truespace demo video settled it for me |
| 03:10.28 | captain_proton | bwahahaha |
| 03:11.11 | captain_proton | once we get the bp center really interested, there's something we should persue |
| 03:11.30 | captain_proton | gwen said they have a bunch of indy/indigo2s they want to get rid of |
| 03:11.44 | scanline | ooh |
| 03:11.56 | captain_proton | probably with some hefty graphics/cpu options |
| 03:12.22 | captain_proton | since they're all migrated to octane/o2 |
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| 03:15.40 | Michaelh | 1.7g2 is crashing on me when I get killed *sometimes* |
| 03:15.51 | Michaelh | is this a known bug? |
| 03:15.57 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (TestWidget.py): add normals to the test widget |
| 03:15.57 | Patlabor221 | don't get shot |
| 03:16.04 | Michaelh | thanks! |
| 03:16.05 | Patlabor221 | it's a feature |
| 03:16.32 | Michaelh | Wasn't happening in my previous versions........ |
| 03:17.02 | Michaelh | or in the v1_7 versions..... does happen in the v1_7g2 :) |
| 03:17.16 | Patlabor221 | run in the debuger and break where it crashes |
| 03:17.29 | Michaelh | how do I break on crash? |
| 03:17.38 | Patlabor221 | it will break for you on the crash |
| 03:17.43 | Patlabor221 | just run with an F5 |
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| 03:18.03 | Michaelh | no one else has noticed this? |
| 03:18.22 | Patlabor221 | I haven't seen it |
| 03:18.30 | Patlabor221 | 1.9 crashes for me every so often |
| 03:18.52 | Michaelh | any thoughts about using some "safe" array or buffer class? |
| 03:19.07 | Patlabor221 | like std::string? |
| 03:19.23 | Patlabor221 | or vector? |
| 03:19.32 | Michaelh | hmmm not sure.... :) |
| 03:19.36 | scanline | Michaelh: there is no way to make C++ safe. just run bzflag in a debugger and give us a backtrace if it crashes |
| 03:19.47 | Patlabor221 | all BZ strings are std::strings now |
| 03:19.58 | Patlabor221 | yes, use the power that was given you :) |
| 03:20.04 | Michaelh | perhaps I need to clean my directories too.... |
| 03:20.06 | scanline | Patlabor221: there's still a large amount of very questionable pointer math |
| 03:20.13 | Patlabor221 | yes there is |
| 03:20.19 | Patlabor221 | I have crashed std::strings |
| 03:20.31 | Patlabor221 | but they are better then not having them for the stupid things |
| 03:20.39 | scanline | well, I'm not talking about strings |
| 03:20.47 | scanline | mostly the network code and the world packing/unpacking |
| 03:20.54 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah |
| 03:20.56 | scanline | which is the worst place for questionable pointer math... |
| 03:21.02 | Patlabor221 | verily |
| 03:21.28 | Michaelh | you mean the C like parsing? |
| 03:21.43 | Patlabor221 | like packing up the data into net format |
| 03:22.05 | Patlabor221 | mmmmm pizzzzzzzzaaaaa |
| 03:22.12 | scanline | you mean like when it calculates the size of the entire data structure before doing the packing in a way that people constantly forget to update |
| 03:22.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:22.28 | Patlabor221 | naimly me :) |
| 03:22.35 | scanline | and nobody using the bzflag client notices because it silently ignores errors in the world |
| 03:23.02 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't even know there are errors |
| 03:23.17 | scanline | heh |
| 03:23.26 | Patlabor221 | the packers shoudl be a class that keeps track of what is added |
| 03:23.29 | Patlabor221 | then sends that info |
| 03:23.45 | Patlabor221 | the un packer just keeps a readin |
| 03:23.54 | Patlabor221 | off the end of the buffer if it must |
| 03:24.05 | Michaelh | we could have the packing done at Boxes & Pyramids R Us .... |
| 03:24.27 | Michaelh | or Boxes & Pyramids etc. |
| 03:26.16 | Michaelh | why does it says Move XXXXXXXXX out of the way ? |
| 03:26.20 | Michaelh | cvs that is |
| 03:26.36 | scanline | there's a file called XXXXXXXXX in the repository? |
| 03:26.43 | Michaelh | most .vcproj files |
| 03:26.45 | scanline | that's a silly name... |
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| 03:33.28 | scanline | swp? |
| 03:33.33 | captain_proton | vim swap files |
| 03:33.41 | scanline | ah |
| 03:36.08 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (2 files): Rendering passes are now 815% more huggable |
| 03:36.15 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (ThreeDView.py): Typo in the comments |
| 03:36.23 | sussudio | like WIN386.SWP? |
| 03:36.54 | captain_proton | ooh huggability |
| 03:37.15 | scanline | cute, ain't it? |
| 03:39.56 | TimRiker | pybzflag is now showing 3d? |
| 03:40.15 | TimRiker | screenshots anywhere? |
| 03:40.16 | captain_proton | mostly |
| 03:40.20 | captain_proton | it displays the world |
| 03:40.26 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/ |
| 03:40.29 | captain_proton | doesn't do any transient objects |
| 03:44.53 | Patlabor221 | comments? http://www.bakadigital.com/hovytanky.jpg |
| 03:45.21 | captain_proton | the front shouldn't angle down |
| 03:45.24 | captain_proton | (right view) |
| 03:45.37 | Patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 03:45.38 | bzgirl | shouldnt the gun be in the middle? |
| 03:45.46 | captain_proton | that too |
| 03:45.48 | Patlabor221 | the back was suposed to angle down more |
| 03:45.55 | Patlabor221 | why does the gun have to be in the middle? |
| 03:46.00 | captain_proton | i love the back view |
| 03:46.10 | captain_proton | it looks kinda weird |
| 03:46.12 | Patlabor221 | it's suposed to look kinda "cuped" |
| 03:46.14 | captain_proton | worked in tron, doesn't work there |
| 03:47.28 | captain_proton | *gasp* |
| 03:47.36 | captain_proton | greetings, program! |
| 03:47.51 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.02 | captain_proton | hehe, yep |
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| 03:48.55 | SGI | hi |
| 03:49.01 | SGI | quolllll |
| 03:49.09 | learner | howdy sgi |
| 03:49.14 | captain_proton | apparently not |
| 03:49.20 | SGI | hi Sir |
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| 03:51.11 | Michaelh | hewo |
| 03:51.18 | Michaelh | doh |
| 03:51.19 | TimRiker | scanline: cool. |
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| 03:51.41 | scanline | TimRiker: well, captain_proton wrote most of the 3D stuff :) |
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| 03:51.58 | TimRiker | captain_proton: gonna add stereo into normal bz now? |
| 03:52.05 | SGI | ok Quol isnt here |
| 03:52.14 | captain_proton | TimRiker: bzflag does stereo, just not anaglyph ;-) |
| 03:52.19 | captain_proton | i'm scared to touch the bzflag view stuff |
| 03:52.24 | captain_proton | 1.8 was very much nicer |
| 03:52.45 | SGI | good night |
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| 03:53.10 | TimRiker | heh |
| 03:54.35 | TimRiker | http://www.graphiko.com/forbiddenplastic/tron_tank/img/tank_comp_01.jpg |
| 03:55.00 | captain_proton | =) |
| 03:56.05 | Michaelh | has anyone ever thought of putting a huge try block around playingloop :) |
| 03:56.06 | learner | heh, that looks like the tron tank |
| 03:56.41 | Patlabor221 | that is the tron tank |
| 03:56.44 | Michaelh | just to get at least some meaningful message when it does crash..... |
| 03:56.46 | captain_proton | Michaelh: why would that help? we don't throw anything |
| 03:57.03 | Patlabor221 | comments pt daux? http://www.bakadigital.com/hovytanky2.jpg |
| 03:57.06 | Michaelh | but access violations are thrown exceptions aren't they? |
| 03:57.07 | learner | pat or tim: where is that model? |
| 03:57.25 | scanline | hahahahahaha |
| 03:57.27 | Patlabor221 | looks resin to me |
| 03:57.30 | scanline | Michaelh: that's a good one |
| 03:57.30 | Michaelh | (on some systems i suppose) |
| 03:57.44 | TimRiker | http://www.tron-movie.com/production/Tank/ |
| 03:57.45 | Patlabor221 | oh 3dcafe has some real tron tank models |
| 03:57.47 | Michaelh | I suppose a core dump isn't an exception |
| 03:57.49 | captain_proton | Michaelh: no |
| 03:58.02 | scanline | captain_proton: gr, CVS server acting up again |
| 03:58.36 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: nice. cept that without changing fricton it sure won't fly like a hover. |
| 03:58.58 | Michaelh | just a bit useless when bzflag dumps to the desktop with no error message...... |
| 03:59.00 | Patlabor221 | nothing in BZ will fly like a hover |
| 03:59.08 | TimRiker | heh |
| 03:59.10 | scanline | Michaelh: that's what debuggers are for |
| 03:59.27 | Michaelh | sometimes it only happens in non-debug mode :) |
| 03:59.37 | Patlabor221 | ooo 139 faces, 67 of them are non planar :) |
| 03:59.44 | Patlabor221 | then debug a release |
| 03:59.54 | scanline | Michaelh: segfaults are signals, not exceptions, and they can be caught, but it's hardly ever useful |
| 03:59.55 | Patlabor221 | just turn on debug symbols and go |
| 04:00.26 | Michaelh | and under win32, are they also signals? or are they exceptions? |
| 04:00.41 | scanline | eh, I don't know what they are in win32, but they're not exceptions |
| 04:00.52 | Patlabor221 | if it's a mem overrun then you can get some info |
| 04:00.56 | scanline | exceptions are a C++ language feature, segfaults are at a much lower level in the system |
| 04:01.04 | Patlabor221 | if it just bails to desktop then it's not one of those |
| 04:01.18 | Patlabor221 | the win32 mem manager will throw an exception |
| 04:01.27 | Patlabor221 | does it bring up the "i took a poo" dialog? |
| 04:01.34 | Michaelh | most of the time no... |
| 04:01.46 | Patlabor221 | then there is nothing to catch outside of the debuger |
| 04:01.49 | Michaelh | I'm just speaking in general terms... no particular error I'm thinking of |
| 04:01.52 | Patlabor221 | run from the debuger |
| 04:02.02 | Patlabor221 | it all depens on what error |
| 04:02.08 | Patlabor221 | so in general no |
| 04:02.09 | captain_proton | but can't remember where or what |
| 04:02.15 | Patlabor221 | what, going on a line? |
| 04:02.29 | Patlabor221 | the worlds first 1D game :) |
| 04:03.19 | captain_proton | it was a combination race/fighting game |
| 04:03.22 | scanline | captain_proton: gah, another sf password prompt |
| 04:03.23 | captain_proton | the lines were curvy =) |
| 04:03.29 | captain_proton | BLAH |
| 04:03.39 | Patlabor221 | the lines in tron were NOT curvy |
| 04:03.44 | captain_proton | no |
| 04:03.56 | captain_proton | but it was based on the idea, not an exact replica |
| 04:04.50 | Patlabor221 | for combat race games, whipeout was the best |
| 04:05.11 | Patlabor221 | bah wipeout |
| 04:05.35 | captain_proton | scanline: what are you trying to commit? |
| 04:05.40 | scanline | TimRiker: so, is sourceforge's CVS server being down so much a good enough excuse to use subversion? |
| 04:05.43 | scanline | captain_proton: mouse grabbing |
| 04:05.47 | Patlabor221 | wow only 304 pre optimisaion |
| 04:05.48 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 04:05.52 | scanline | well, not really grabbing |
| 04:06.07 | scanline | it hides the mouse then constantly snaps it back to the position you started the drag at |
| 04:06.13 | scanline | but it works really nicely, it's what I used in picogui |
| 04:07.19 | scanline | I want to clean up the control code... got a quick idea to give us simple key/mouse bindings |
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| 04:17.00 | learner | :) |
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| 04:18.47 | learner | ugh |
| 04:24.30 | scanline | captain_proton: what's a good name for changing the height of the camera? I started to use 'elevate', but that kind of clashes with the little azimuth/elevation motif we have going |
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| 04:32.26 | MrApathyCream | heh it's up! |
| 04:37.17 | MrApathyCream | ssh cvs down? |
| 04:38.39 | captain_proton | height... |
| 04:38.44 | captain_proton | isn't that just part of position? |
| 04:38.56 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: yeah |
| 04:39.09 | scanline | captain_proton: well, I'm naming an event handler for mouse bindings |
| 04:39.20 | scanline | and ideally it would be a verb |
| 04:39.36 | orchid | learner: |
| 04:39.50 | learner | orchid: |
| 04:40.18 | fiberchunks | learner: |
| 04:40.27 | scanline | MrApathyCream: |
| 04:40.34 | fiberchunks | scanline: |
| 04:40.37 | captain_proton | elevator? |
| 04:40.38 | bzgirl | Patlabor221: |
| 04:40.51 | scanline | captain_proton: elevator is a verb? :) |
| 04:40.57 | captain_proton | heightinator? |
| 04:40.59 | MrApathyCream | elevate |
| 04:41.02 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:41.14 | MrApathyCream | raise |
| 04:41.24 | scanline | MrApathyCream: well, I'm planning on calling it elevate.. I was just trying to find something that didn't clash with the azimuth/elevation usage |
| 04:41.30 | scanline | hmm, raise might do |
| 04:41.38 | MrApathyCream | lift |
| 04:41.43 | scanline | though that's also overloaded with the window manager raise |
| 04:41.45 | scanline | ooh, lift! |
| 04:41.48 | TimRiker | scanline: heh. probably not, though it is annoying huh |
| 04:41.54 | scanline | TimRiker: indeed |
| 04:42.08 | captain_proton | its really difficult to work on things when you can't commit |
| 04:42.09 | captain_proton | :P |
| 04:42.15 | MrApathyCream | yah |
| 04:42.21 | MrApathyCream | it's hard to introduce bugs too :( |
| 04:43.35 | MrApathyCream | whassup with sourceforge anyway, first anon and now ssh, are they making a major overhaul or something? |
| 04:43.53 | captain_proton | anon has been broken for a while |
| 04:43.58 | MrApathyCream | yes, |
| 04:44.00 | captain_proton | and it won't be overhauled until august :( |
| 04:44.06 | MrApathyCream | what happens in august? |
| 04:44.13 | captain_proton | they get a new server |
| 04:44.20 | captain_proton | though it'll probably be delayed a lot longer |
| 04:46.51 | fiberchunks | later on ppl -- goodnight |
| 04:47.29 | learner | night fiber |
| 04:48.49 | MrApathyCream | sourceforges new server -> http://www.euronext.com/news/companypressrelease/0,4159,1732_11894_73927620,00.html |
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| 04:49.14 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 04:49.18 | captain_proton | d46 looks good in 3d =) |
| 04:49.27 | scanline | d46? |
| 04:49.39 | MrApathyCream | dinner 4 six (world) |
| 04:49.44 | scanline | ahh |
| 04:51.08 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:53.01 | Patlabor221 | well after losing the old model, hows this? http://www.bakadigital.com/hovytanky3.jpg |
| 04:57.43 | Patlabor221 | they don't |
| 05:03.26 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/hovytanky4.jpg |
| 05:05.18 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 05:09.12 | scanline | grr |
| 05:09.28 | captain_proton | whatsit do? |
| 05:09.32 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.38 | scanline | =) |
| 05:09.41 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:09.42 | captain_proton | neat =) |
| 05:18.13 | sussudio | qc832: destroyed by <unknown> |
| 05:18.16 | sussudio | first time i saw that |
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| 05:22.30 | sussudio | what could be causing that? |
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| 05:25.06 | MrApathyCream | now to check it in..., aw shucks |
| 05:26.23 | scanline | little do you know, a secret CIA operative is merging all the cool features from 1.8 into CVS as we speak, only to have them reverted the instant CVS comes back online for us |
| 05:27.22 | MrApathyCream | hopefully he'll fix the bugs too |
| 05:27.23 | scanline | hooray, an upgrade! |
| 05:28.05 | MrApathyCream | cia operative = diablo? |
| 05:28.22 | scanline | nah, an operative you see.. running inside CIA |
| 05:28.28 | scanline | then again, that reminds me... |
| 05:28.42 | scanline | I'm really surprised diablo didn't notice that captain_proton updated pybzflag's AUTHORS file |
| 05:28.59 | Patlabor221 | ok last one for the night http://www.bakadigital.com/hovytanky5.jpg |
| 05:33.33 | MrApathyCream | i like (B) |
| 05:35.59 | Patlabor221 | b? |
| 05:36.18 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: larger turret is nice. |
| 05:36.40 | Patlabor221 | thanks, other one was to puny |
| 05:36.54 | Patlabor221 | well night all |
| 05:38.23 | MrApathyCream | tank4 |
| 05:38.33 | MrApathyCream | oops |
| 05:39.20 | TimRiker | hmm. the gray area under the barrel is still weighted to one side. probably not intentional. |
| 05:44.56 | MrApathyCream | wow /flag reset IS definitely not happy |
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| 05:49.08 | MrApathyCream | hey grizzly |
| 05:49.17 | JBDiGriz | hiya MAC |
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| 05:49.50 | JBDiGriz | Looks like a quiet night, although here comes learner ! |
| 05:50.03 | learner | heh, me going to be |
| 05:50.07 | learner | bed |
| 05:50.14 | learner | gnite |
| 05:50.14 | JBDiGriz | sf has been a tarbaby all day |
| 05:50.36 | JBDiGriz | Have you ever heard of a client that doesn't respond to CLIENTQUERY? |
| 05:50.47 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 05:51.11 | JBDiGriz | What can you tell me about it, or is it just a hacked up client? |
| 05:51.32 | MrApathyCream | or really old |
| 05:52.26 | JBDiGriz | That's possible, this player was really questionable, so I followed him around as an observer to see what was happening. |
| 05:53.04 | JBDiGriz | I couldn't spot anything wrong except for the lack of response to the query. |
| 05:54.02 | MrApathyCream | I've seen it happen a good amount |
| 05:54.13 | MrApathyCream | leads me to believe that there MAY be something else going on too |
| 05:54.18 | MrApathyCream | more than just cheats or old clients |
| 05:54.25 | MrApathyCream | but i've never looked into it |
| 05:54.58 | JBDiGriz | I'm trying to detect some of the more subtle cheats as I'm playing. It's not easy. |
| 05:55.08 | captain_proton | clientquery has been around in all the 1.7e versions... |
| 05:55.17 | MrApathyCream | For instance, what happens if you send CLIENTQUERY using the 'm' key |
| 05:55.34 | JBDiGriz | Does any earlier version work with the 1.7 server? |
| 05:55.40 | MrApathyCream | prolly just teammates respond |
| 05:55.43 | scanline | captain_proton: hmm, OpenGLContext has a partial VRML loader and scene graph :) |
| 05:55.48 | captain_proton | i haven't tried any 1.7ds or older? |
| 05:55.51 | captain_proton | scanline: evil |
| 05:55.57 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: dunno |
| 05:57.47 | JBDiGriz | Thanks for the info. That sounds like a good idea right now. g'nite! |
| 06:19.27 | scanline | captain_proton: hmm.. so it looks like if we calculate the normals ourselves and we don't need textures, .obj will work |
| 06:19.40 | scanline | it's just a disgustingly simple format... |
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| 06:20.26 | scanline | yikes |
| 06:20.26 | captain_proton | i like .obj |
| 06:20.26 | captain_proton | its very common |
| 06:20.26 | scanline | well, .obj is just a list of vertices and a list of faces |
| 06:20.31 | scanline | the faces have colors, and that's it |
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| 06:20.47 | scanline | should be sufficient for our widgetythingies, but not tanks or anything that needs texture coordinates |
| 06:22.27 | captain_proton | what a great movie... |
| 06:24.04 | scanline | although even the widgetythingies could use a format that can define a hierarchy of named objects, for picking purposes... |
| 06:24.57 | captain_proton | eh |
| 06:25.13 | captain_proton | not really |
| 06:25.30 | captain_proton | it would be useful to have both color & transform drawables |
| 06:25.51 | scanline | well, if we're going to have each distinct clickable region of the widget in a different .obj file there's not really any advantage over coding up some primitives and doing it all programmatically |
| 06:26.14 | scanline | if we have a file that can defined named subobjects, it would give a lot more flexibility in designing the widgets |
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| 06:26.38 | captain_proton | hrm, true |
| 06:26.49 | captain_proton | but even then we'd need to somehow insert things into it (like color) |
| 06:27.00 | captain_proton | ex: the yellow mouseover highlighting on ts widgets |
| 06:28.22 | scanline | yes, but if we had a format we could splat into a hierarchy of drawables, we could use the same method for coloring those that we come up with to color picked objects in the world |
| 06:29.56 | captain_proton | true |
| 06:30.04 | captain_proton | maybe set a color attribute in the drawable? |
| 06:30.11 | captain_proton | when that gets changed, it pokes a rebuilding of the display lists |
| 06:30.20 | scanline | that would do it |
| 06:38.57 | scanline | hmm.. looks like 'obj' could mean Videoscape or Wavefront |
| 06:47.15 | captain_proton | i think we want wavefront |
| 06:47.59 | scanline | yeah, I'm trying to find info on that format |
| 06:49.46 | captain_proton | perhaps we could do videoscape inside of a VFS thingy? |
| 06:50.05 | scanline | VFS thingy as in filesystem? |
| 06:50.13 | captain_proton | as in targz or something |
| 06:50.14 | scanline | or as in some other TLA? :) |
| 06:50.36 | TimRiker | isn't that SOT ? |
| 06:50.42 | captain_proton | SOT? |
| 06:50.47 | captain_proton | ~dict SOT |
| 06:50.50 | TimRiker | Some Other TLA |
| 06:51.01 | captain_proton | ah |
| 06:51.15 | scanline | there is a 100% python .tar.gz module, I'm using it in PGBuild... but I don't really like the idea of that for models |
| 06:51.33 | scanline | mainly because we'd still have to manually position the objects relative to each other |
| 06:51.45 | captain_proton | true |
| 06:51.52 | TimRiker | nite |
| 06:53.15 | scanline | hmm... |
| 06:53.37 | scanline | this dxf format is butt-ugly, but it looks a lot easier to parse than VRML, and might have all the info we need |
| 06:53.58 | scanline | the little I could find on the wavefront obj format was not promising |
| 06:57.53 | scanline | yikes.. this doc on dxf mentions formats in terms of FORTRAN |
| 06:58.04 | captain_proton | eek |
| 07:00.06 | scanline | bleh, what a disgusting format |
| 07:00.32 | scanline | definitely designed for CAD with no intention of ever being used in 3D modelers :) |
| 07:00.49 | scanline | hmm.. yaknow... |
| 07:01.05 | scanline | crystalspace has a fairly sane object format, in XML and binary flavors |
| 07:01.12 | scanline | and they have a blender exporter |
| 07:03.07 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:13.50 | scanline | actually, looks like it'd be easier to write a new exporter than to parse the CS formats |
| 07:14.02 | scanline | the blender python API seems pretty straightforward |
| 07:14.13 | scanline | but it'd be better to just find an off-the-shelf format that doesn't suck |
| 07:18.53 | scanline | hmmmm |
| 07:19.42 | scanline | it doesn't seem to get hierarchy exported to it, but it supports multiple meshes in a file, with names and transformations for each |
| 07:19.47 | scanline | and that would be enough |
| 07:20.15 | captain_proton | haha |
| 07:20.17 | captain_proton | vrml? |
| 07:20.28 | scanline | yep |
| 07:20.59 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/~micah/planes.wrl |
| 07:21.21 | scanline | the format would take either a decent parser or a quick hack to parse, but the information content is sane |
| 07:22.29 | captain_proton | haha |
| 07:22.34 | captain_proton | vim auto-folds everything |
| 07:22.47 | scanline | silly folding editors... |
| 07:22.55 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 07:23.29 | scanline | hmm.. I wonder if this does colors |
| 07:24.01 | captain_proton | we'll probably want to ignore that for the most part |
| 07:24.07 | captain_proton | and control color from elsewhere |
| 07:24.22 | scanline | true for the widgets, but it would be handy for tanks and such |
| 07:24.39 | captain_proton | even tanks |
| 07:24.42 | scanline | ooh, it gave me material blocks |
| 07:24.43 | captain_proton | we'll have the geo in the model |
| 07:24.51 | captain_proton | but color depends on game state |
| 07:24.58 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.00 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.00 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.00 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.00 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.00 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.02 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.45 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (ThreeDControl.py): Added some spiffy mouse grabbing, and a new system for binding keys and mouse events in ThreeDControl |
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| 07:30.29 | Chikorita | nobody here buh us chikoritas :) |
| 07:31.00 | scanline | mew! |
| 07:31.07 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (ThreeDControl.py): Mouse wheel zoom should work with any modifiers |
| 07:31.10 | Chikorita | mewtoo! |
| 07:31.23 | scanline | squeep! |
| 07:31.32 | Chikorita | heh |
| 07:31.38 | Chikorita | hiya scanline |
| 07:31.54 | scanline | helo |
| 07:32.17 | Chikorita | how iz pybzflag coming along? |
| 07:33.03 | Chikorita | every mouse should have a mouse wheel... |
| 07:33.06 | scanline | like a moose on a train bound for the edge of destiny |
| 07:33.19 | Chikorita | how else iz da mouse suppose ta get sum exercise? |
| 07:33.31 | scanline | good point |
| 07:34.05 | Chikorita | coach ir bizness class? |
| 07:34.09 | Chikorita | or* |
| 07:34.23 | Chikorita | i hate typing |
| 07:34.29 | Chikorita | grr |
| 07:34.53 | scanline | bizness |
| 07:34.57 | Chikorita | i wonder wut it would b like 2 play BZ wif a touchscreen |
| 07:35.14 | scanline | you'd probably get annoyed at your hand being in the way |
| 07:35.18 | Chikorita | ya |
| 07:35.39 | Chikorita | i try to play wif mah laptop touch pad ...it getz crazee afta awhile |
| 07:36.00 | Chikorita | have u seen those new wireless mouses? |
| 07:36.03 | scanline | I used to think that for some odd reason touchpads were good for starcraft.. but I really deserved a beating then |
| 07:36.06 | Chikorita | dey r so kewl |
| 07:36.12 | Chikorita | buh dey cost like a hunnid bux |
| 07:36.16 | scanline | captain_proton has a wireless mouse |
| 07:36.31 | captain_proton | not anymore :( |
| 07:36.33 | captain_proton | it broke |
| 07:36.35 | Chikorita | da 1 where u can pick it up an use it in da air? |
| 07:36.40 | captain_proton | now i'm on a wireless ball mouse |
| 07:36.44 | Chikorita | o hi capn |
| 07:36.44 | scanline | doh.. really? I thought that was a temporary thingy |
| 07:36.52 | captain_proton | no, just got worse and worse |
| 07:37.00 | scanline | that sucks |
| 07:38.10 | scanline | captain_proton: do you know where the official VRML specs would live? google doesn't find anything official-looking |
| 07:38.17 | Chikorita | did u eva play starcraft battlenet? |
| 07:38.34 | scanline | Chikorita: I didn't play on battle.net much.. just with friends at LAN parties |
| 07:38.44 | Chikorita | protoss iz tuff 2 beat |
| 07:38.48 | scanline | actually I hardly ever play games these days except at LAN parties |
| 07:38.50 | Chikorita | i like 2 play terans |
| 07:38.54 | scanline | eh, depends on who you're playing really |
| 07:39.07 | scanline | some people don't know how to use protoss and get bit by their higher resource usage |
| 07:39.14 | scanline | but if you play someone that really knows how to use them, you're toast |
| 07:39.36 | Chikorita | i forgot da name of those bug monsters |
| 07:39.40 | Chikorita | buh dey r icky |
| 07:39.42 | scanline | zerg? |
| 07:39.47 | scanline | they're not icky... |
| 07:39.47 | Chikorita | yea zerg |
| 07:39.48 | captain_proton | http://web3d.org/technicalinfo/specifications/specifications.htm |
| 07:39.49 | Chikorita | lol |
| 07:39.51 | scanline | they're biologically superior! |
| 07:40.10 | Chikorita | esp. dat big tongue lookin thingie dat whips out spit at cha |
| 07:40.10 | scanline | captain_proton: ooh |
| 07:40.28 | Chikorita | an dat creepy thing dat digs into da ground |
| 07:41.02 | Chikorita | zergs r jus yucky lookin i actually enjoy killin dem like bugz |
| 07:41.59 | scanline | Chikorita: there are many phases to learning starcraft.. eventually, you'll find all sorts of fun little strategies.. then you're realize that none of them matter because starcraft is all about building up the biggest army and attacking the fastest |
| 07:44.15 | Chikorita | jus like any of those types of games... |
| 07:44.20 | Chikorita | like age of empire |
| 07:44.24 | Chikorita | warcraft |
| 07:44.29 | Chikorita | rise of nations |
| 07:44.32 | Chikorita | ect.ect. |
| 07:44.35 | scanline | well, I've heard there are some with strategy.. but I'm not into games enough to have played them |
| 07:44.40 | Chikorita | buh i still like starcraft :) |
| 07:44.50 | Chikorita | o i c |
| 07:44.56 | scanline | only reason I got into starcraft was it was the trendy thing among my high school friends, and it's a great LAN party game |
| 07:45.23 | Chikorita | battlenet iz fun 2 |
| 07:45.39 | scanline | eh, I always get frustrated at how disgustingly moronic blizzard's networking code is |
| 07:45.50 | Chikorita | i used ta play my girlfriend in baltimore |
| 07:45.55 | Chikorita | shes good |
| 07:46.05 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 07:46.11 | Chikorita | u hack blizzard stuff? |
| 07:46.30 | scanline | no, I never saw their code.. just the effects of it |
| 07:46.36 | Chikorita | o i c |
| 07:46.59 | scanline | but things like absolutely zero tolerance for NATs, error messages that do more harm than good, really finicky about routing.. |
| 07:47.26 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 07:48.33 | Chikorita | u know wut would bee kewl |
| 07:48.44 | Chikorita | for BZ |
| 07:49.03 | Chikorita | if there was like weapon options.. |
| 07:49.27 | Chikorita | like u can switch tween 2 or 3 diff flags u pickup or wuteva |
| 07:49.54 | Chikorita | i c dat every game out has like dis thing where u can use diff weapons if u wanna |
| 07:50.15 | Chikorita | or maybee not |
| 07:50.35 | Chikorita | it would make sum playaz almost 2 hard to kill den |
| 07:50.45 | Chikorita | i jus tinkin 2 meeself dunt mind mee |
| 07:50.54 | Chikorita | ho hum |
| 07:50.57 | scanline | I think you should just merge bzflag and mario kart |
| 07:50.58 | Chikorita | *sign* |
| 07:51.05 | Chikorita | LoL scan |
| 07:51.16 | Chikorita | mario cart iz fun ! |
| 07:51.32 | Chikorita | i like da bowling ball weapon |
| 07:53.11 | scanline | I think it was lurgyman that suggested this... you'd have items, like those three shells that circle around you |
| 07:53.13 | scanline | except they're flags |
| 07:53.32 | scanline | so you could pick up a set of three flags, they would spin around protecting you, then you could shoot them at enemies, giving them eye injuries |
| 07:53.47 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 07:54.01 | Chikorita | r u serious? or r u mocking mah idea |
| 07:54.38 | Chikorita | i was tinkin more like a on screeen menu list of da items u had picked up an u jus select one of da 3 u wanna use |
| 07:55.24 | Chikorita | like ST or OO or MG...ect. wuteva combination flag u had collected |
| 07:55.37 | Chikorita | buh u couldnt use dem all at once |
| 07:55.42 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (5 files in 2 dirs): add an overlay rendering pass, bork picking on the overlays |
| 07:55.47 | Chikorita | an dey had limited ammo or usage time limit |
| 07:56.17 | Chikorita | b4 da flag(s) expired an u would hafta pick up more again |
| 07:57.17 | Chikorita | i tink dis option would help alot in dis camper problem |
| 07:58.40 | Chikorita | cuz if there was an annoying GM camper u could jus switch 2 ur ST flag u had in ur inventory , instead of goin around lookin for a ST sumwherez if any |
| 07:59.15 | Chikorita | or if da camper was like camping around where all da ST flags were an u couldnt get to em b4 he shot ya |
| 07:59.36 | Chikorita | anywayzzz |
| 08:01.08 | Chikorita | u kno wut would b anutha good idea |
| 08:01.19 | Chikorita | a "deflector" flag |
| 08:01.53 | Chikorita | iz kinda like a SH flag , cept it werks for 3 hits instead of jus one |
| 08:02.16 | Chikorita | cuz most servers are multi shot servers an jus one hit doesnt protect u much |
| 08:02.48 | Chikorita | an also da Deflector flag would ricochet da shot made at da tank wif dat flag |
| 08:02.58 | Chikorita | good idea yees? |
| 08:03.01 | Chikorita | :) |
| 08:03.22 | captain_proton | invincibility flags generally aren't that good |
| 08:03.33 | Chikorita | itz not invincibilty |
| 08:03.48 | Chikorita | it only deflects up to 3 shots b4 itz used up |
| 08:04.11 | Chikorita | itz almost like da "mirror" flag idea sum1 else came up wif |
| 08:05.05 | Chikorita | ok maybee dats a dum idea |
| 08:05.08 | Chikorita | n/m |
| 08:06.11 | Chikorita | how bout a bad flag dat makes ur tank blink all diff kinda colors an makes da bullets u shoot at peeps lil pink hearts instead? |
| 08:06.42 | Chikorita | heehe dat would b embarassing |
| 08:07.05 | Chikorita | an wen u hit sum1 it makes a kissy sound muaaahhhh |
| 08:07.06 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 08:07.08 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 08:08.03 | Chikorita | *sigh* |
| 08:08.23 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 08:08.41 | Chikorita | lol ty |
| 08:08.51 | Chikorita | imma make dat patch jus u c |
| 08:09.09 | Chikorita | u dunt want mee 2 make patches cuz i wil make dis game crazee LoL |
| 08:09.25 | Chikorita | i wil turn G3 into mario cart LoL |
| 08:12.23 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 08:12.38 | Chikorita | o well i wil try an get back 2 sleep |
| 08:12.50 | Chikorita | gotta sleep sumtime dis century |
| 08:12.52 | Chikorita | :P |
| 08:13.51 | Chikorita | *note to self* dunt drink pepsi b4 bedtime |
| 08:15.28 | Chikorita | gnite scanline an Cap. Proton |
| 08:15.38 | captain_proton | 'night |
| 08:17.28 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (3 files in 2 dirs): temporarily revert back to older-style modelview stuff such that picking isn't broken |
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| 09:31.50 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (2 files): Make DisplayList safe for 'from ... import *' |
| 09:33.41 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (GLDrawable.py): More import cleanups |
| 10:09.54 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (4 files in 2 dirs): Separated rendering engine from game view... must commit fast before CVS server dies... |
| 10:11.13 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (AnaglyphView.py): Fix anaglyph |
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| 10:24.58 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Skeleton for a 3D model viewer using ThreeDRender, ThreeDControl, and Viewport but none of the game state code |
| 10:26.01 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (modelviewer.py): Hmm, new files appear faster in CVS if I use 'cvs add' |
| 10:28.50 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (2 files): Clean up after and before ourselves |
| 10:46.07 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Some camera-related tidying |
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| 11:54.16 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Adding a sample VRML file for the parser, started writing a lexer using python 2.2's new regex features |
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| 12:13.07 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (VRML.py): The lexical scanner seems to be parsing the VRML correctly now |
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| 14:32.53 | fiberchunks | mornin |
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| 14:40.08 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (VRML.py): Wow, a somewhat functional VRML pseudo-parser |
| 14:41.45 | fiberchunks | mornin again |
| 14:41.46 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 14:42.03 | learnerAtWork | mornin' guys |
| 14:42.44 | scanline | cvs up? |
| 14:43.31 | fiberchunks | that won't get snaps from sfsnap -- and I only have anonymous access to cvs, so it's more probable that it's busted -- sfsnap is far more reliable :\ |
| 14:43.52 | scanline | get tim to make you a developer just so you can get recent code :) |
| 14:43.52 | learnerAtWork | fiber, have curl run as a cron job around 7am or something :) |
| 14:44.49 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 14:45.18 | fiberchunks | learnerAtWork> yah, I was thinking the same thing, but I'd have to slap some sort of logic in there to divine which of the snaps were most recent |
| 14:45.36 | learnerAtWork | ah, true |
| 14:45.42 | learnerAtWork | make cap do it :) |
| 14:45.47 | learnerAtWork | a symlink |
| 14:45.54 | learnerAtWork | to the latest |
| 14:46.03 | learnerAtWork | snap-current.tar.gz or something :) |
| 14:46.17 | learnerAtWork | much easier on his end |
| 14:48.29 | fiberchunks | does curl support globbing? |
| 14:48.44 | learnerAtWork | dunno, I'll give it a try |
| 14:49.40 | learnerAtWork | fiber, yes it does, kinda |
| 14:50.03 | learnerAtWork | you can specify ranges like curl http://blah.com/file[1-100].txt |
| 14:50.26 | learnerAtWork | of http://whatever.{ay,bee,cee}.com |
| 14:50.34 | learnerAtWork | s/f/r/ |
| 14:50.35 | fiberchunks | well, yeah, but that doesn't help in the case of dynamically generated file names -- I was hoping for a pybzflag* |
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| 14:51.35 | fiberchunks | meh, if anon-sf didn't suck so badly (or for such a long time) ... ;) |
| 14:51.59 | learnerAtWork | even regular cvs has been a bitch lately |
| 14:52.08 | learnerAtWork | sf is hurtin' |
| 14:52.55 | fiberchunks | hrm, /me notices that a curl http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/pybzflag/ retrieves the html for the directory index |
| 14:54.04 | learnerAtWork | yes, you'll have to use wget if you want a recursive snarf |
| 14:54.29 | learnerAtWork | or parse that html and get the real deal in a second pass |
| 14:54.50 | fiberchunks | well, I'm trying to think of a way to take the output of the above, and chomp the 'newest' bzflag/pybzflag filename out of that |
| 14:56.07 | captain_proton | done |
| 14:56.44 | fiberchunks | you are, the best, thanks so much :) |
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| 14:58.08 | fiberchunks | cept for this -- the pybzflag works beautifully, the bzflag-current sayeth -- 'you don't have permission' -but I imagine that will change once someone commits to bzflag |
| 14:58.18 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 14:58.53 | captain_proton | thats bizzare |
| 14:58.56 | captain_proton | all the perms are set right |
| 15:01.10 | learnerAtWork | cap is the man |
| 15:02.29 | fiberchunks | captain_proton> it's also issuing an 'unknown' icon for current - dunno if that means anything though |
| 15:02.56 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 15:04.57 | captain_proton | hah |
| 15:05.04 | captain_proton | i sleep for a night and scanline implements models |
| 15:06.02 | scanline | well, it still has some work left |
| 15:06.07 | scanline | but i've got the bulk of it done... |
| 15:06.12 | scanline | wrote a lexer and sorta-parser for VRML |
| 15:06.37 | scanline | VRML is really not too friendly in context-free grammar, so I did kind of a messy heuristic approach |
| 15:06.43 | captain_proton | you crazy monkey |
| 15:06.51 | scanline | =) |
| 15:08.27 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (VRML.py): Decruftified the parse stack |
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| 15:23.43 | scanline | w00t |
| 15:24.06 | scanline | this thing seems to be parsing correctly on a random vrml model I downloaded as well as on the blender exported model |
| 15:24.22 | scanline | ha, who says you need a complete grammar to parse something! |
| 15:25.03 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 15:26.04 | TimRiker | so you adding vrml parsing to bzflag too? and then converting the worlds over to vrml? |
| 15:26.14 | scanline | eh, I hope not :) |
| 15:26.19 | scanline | VRML is a nasty nasty format |
| 15:26.32 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): The VRML parser seems to be able to identify meshes, names, materials, and matrices correctly on blender models and on the pawn model now in the data directory. |
| 15:26.37 | scanline | I'm just using it because the alternatives for blender exporting aren't really better, and I don't want to write Yet Another Format |
| 15:27.00 | learnerAtWork | *.yaf ;-) |
| 15:27.05 | scanline | yyep |
| 15:27.33 | scanline | seems like with the state of 3D model files these days, anyone that needs more than a list of triangles writes their own simple format and a converter or two |
| 15:28.02 | Chestal | use .pov ;-) |
| 15:28.06 | scanline | the full VRML spec is a monster, but it seems to be somewhat sane implementing a tiny subset |
| 15:28.07 | captain_proton | haha |
| 15:28.14 | scanline | :) |
| 15:29.03 | tommie | Hmm |
| 15:29.25 | tommie | Has anyone thought about a red/green 3D-Mode for bzflag? I've just seen that in Foobillard, looks quite exciting |
| 15:29.41 | tommie | although confusing without the appropiate glasses :) |
| 15:30.00 | captain_proton | tommie: i did it in 1.8 and pybzflag, but i'm scared to do it in 1.9 =} |
| 15:30.26 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/retro.jpeg |
| 15:30.50 | tommie | ah :) |
| 15:31.07 | tommie | Did it work well? |
| 15:31.19 | scanline | indeed |
| 15:31.23 | scanline | the code is really simple too :) |
| 15:31.24 | tommie | Concerning colors, you only get some greyish out of it? |
| 15:31.34 | captain_proton | tommie: no, you get full color |
| 15:31.40 | captain_proton | its a bit eye-poking, but it works |
| 15:31.42 | tommie | captain_proton: Oh, cool |
| 15:31.59 | captain_proton | and by a bit, i mean "don't use this for more than a few minutes" |
| 15:32.00 | tommie | captain_proton: even with red/green glasses? nice |
| 15:32.09 | tommie | hehe |
| 15:32.10 | captain_proton | well i have red-cyan |
| 15:32.16 | captain_proton | so i blue and green are combined into one eye |
| 15:32.35 | tommie | Ah OK, but it's basicly the same |
| 15:32.37 | learnerAtWork | aw, my glasses are different |
| 15:32.39 | learnerAtWork | damn |
| 15:32.49 | tommie | Hmm |
| 15:32.59 | tommie | should be integrated in DRI/GLX/Mesa/whatever :) |
| 15:33.09 | captain_proton | ew |
| 15:33.16 | captain_proton | its usually best to have application support for stereo |
| 15:33.42 | captain_proton | the driver technique (such as that used for shutter glasses on new video cards) messes up in ortho mode, etc |
| 15:33.50 | tommie | hm |
| 15:44.03 | learnerAtWork | why would proxyscan.freenode.net periodically query my web server?? |
| 15:44.21 | fiberchunks | because it likes you |
| 15:45.35 | learnerAtWork | I don't like it |
| 15:46.16 | captain_proton | learnerAtWork: its a defense mechanism against flood bots |
| 15:47.06 | scanline | captain_proton: what's the best opengl-thingy for drawing triangles from a list of indexes into a list of vertices? |
| 15:47.10 | learnerAtWork | eh, how so? |
| 15:49.27 | captain_proton | most flood bots work off of trojan proxies |
| 15:50.26 | captain_proton | scanline: hmm - vertex array? |
| 15:50.44 | scanline | whee, a chess piece! |
| 15:50.58 | captain_proton | commit! |
| 15:51.30 | learnerAtWork | how is posting to port 80 supposed to do anything? certain bots respond there and shut down? |
| 15:51.58 | captain_proton | some proxies listen on 80 |
| 15:52.47 | scanline | ./modelviewer.py data/pawn.wrl |
| 15:52.54 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): It's not fast, it's not finished, but it's a chess piece! |
| 15:53.02 | scanline | you'll have to rotate and zoom a bit to see it, but it's definitely a pawn |
| 15:54.41 | learnerAtWork | cap do you have any reference? should I query #flood? |
| 15:56.03 | captain_proton | learnerAtWork: huh? #flood is for people to paste large amounts of stuff |
| 15:56.29 | captain_proton | scanline: wheee |
| 15:56.59 | Chestal | learner: http://www.freenode.net/policy.shtml#proxies |
| 15:57.06 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (modelviewer.py): Show all the objects in the VRML file, not just one with no name |
| 15:57.06 | scanline | :) |
| 15:57.32 | scanline | the cube exported from blender seems to have some.. issues |
| 15:57.56 | scanline | could be I have an off-by-one on the indexes and just didn't notice on the pawn since it's larger |
| 16:00.25 | learnerAtWork | thanks chestal |
| 16:03.09 | learnerAtWork | that explains it, they are _actively_ looking from open proxies |
| 16:03.19 | learnerAtWork | they actively scan while a user is connected |
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| 16:08.23 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/monkey.png |
| 16:12.04 | fiberchunks | lol |
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| 16:20.39 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (VRML.py): Support colors and matrices in VRML meshes |
| 16:21.48 | fiberchunks | hahaha :) |
| 16:22.16 | fiberchunks | yes, he probably should |
| 16:22.45 | doug_work | does xchat have anything vulerable anyway? :) |
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| 16:25.17 | dheckaman | thats better |
| 16:26.21 | dheckaman | wow, redhat 9 has a "Add or Remove Packages" thing |
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| 16:29.46 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (3 files in 2 dirs): Calculate face normals |
| 16:34.39 | fiberchunks | scanline> do you use vi to edit py files, if so, how do you have it setup (i.e. tabstops, shiftwidth, all that jazz)? |
| 16:34.51 | scanline | I'm one of those emacs people |
| 16:34.56 | fiberchunks | booooo ;) |
| 16:35.22 | scanline | yep |
| 16:35.27 | learnerAtWork | yay :P |
| 16:39.05 | prot-work | yay i'm here |
| 16:43.50 | scanline | yay |
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| 16:44.34 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/extra_media (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/pybzflag/extra_media added to the repository |
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| 16:47.29 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (7 files in 3 dirs): A widget to experiment with |
| 16:49.37 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (VRML.py): Set the blended flag correctly on translucent meshes |
| 16:49.54 | scanline | prot-work: well, there's a widget now |
| 16:50.13 | scanline | prot-work: it probably needs some vertex normal stuff... not to mention other things |
| 16:50.20 | scanline | but I think I'll take a bit of a nap now |
| 16:50.45 | scanline | ./modelviewer.py extra_media/widget.wrl <-- widget :) |
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| 17:19.54 | prot-work | scanline: haha, nice widget, you crazy bastage |
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| 17:32.50 | KnottyMan | silly question: how do I do a screenshot? (1.7g2) |
| 17:33.32 | sussudio | printscreen? |
| 17:33.39 | prot-work | best way is to use an external screenshot program |
| 17:33.42 | prot-work | what operating system? |
| 17:33.52 | KnottyMan | I didn't think that would work since it's OGL... Win2k |
| 17:33.58 | sussudio | printscreen. |
| 17:33.59 | prot-work | it works |
| 17:34.11 | KnottyMan | hmm. Ok, learn something new everyday. : ) |
| 17:34.57 | prot-work | it might not work if you've got certain passthrough-type cards |
| 17:34.58 | prot-work | like 3dfx |
| 17:35.38 | KnottyMan | right. And doing screenshots with overlay apps (sw dvd players) which is why I didn't think it would work. I'll give it a go. |
| 17:38.29 | Patlabor221 | well that's cus the overlays are in hardware and not accessable to the OS :) |
| 17:41.25 | Patlabor221 | ha, I was just offerd a position on a mod for BF1942 as a modeler :) |
| 17:56.38 | prot-work | mmm....what a great song |
| 17:58.02 | prot-work | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/summoning_of_the_muse.mp3 |
| 17:59.00 | Patlabor221 | 404 and das es foboden |
| 17:59.01 | Mayhem | prot-work: would that be Dead Can Dance? |
| 17:59.12 | prot-work | yes it would =) |
| 17:59.15 | prot-work | hrm |
| 17:59.47 | Mayhem | hmm, I have ogged a few of their albums, never really got into their style. |
| 18:00.00 | prot-work | there, now perms are good |
| 18:00.10 | Patlabor221 | that they are :) |
| 18:00.10 | prot-work | they seem to have a lot of styles |
| 18:00.20 | Mayhem | yes... |
| 18:02.08 | Mayhem | They have a male singer who really irritates me. |
| 18:02.44 | prot-work | yeah |
| 18:03.49 | learnerAtWork | any clips? |
| 18:03.57 | learnerAtWork | oh, nvr mind :) |
| 18:05.05 | prot-work | heh |
| 18:05.09 | prot-work | some cds are better than others |
| 18:06.01 | Patlabor221 | are they casting? |
| 18:06.32 | Patlabor221 | like enya songs, allways makes me think she's casting something |
| 18:06.32 | prot-work | casting? |
| 18:06.37 | Patlabor221 | spell |
| 18:06.40 | prot-work | ah |
| 18:06.41 | prot-work | maybe |
| 18:09.48 | Patlabor221 | it's very good |
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| 18:15.43 | Mayhem | Anyone interested, http://homepages.zen.co.uk/zen13666/03-the_wind_that_shakes_the_barley.ogg |
| 18:18.35 | prot-work | what album is that on? |
| 18:19.19 | Mayhem | Into the Labyrinth |
| 18:19.38 | prot-work | ah |
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| 18:22.24 | [TeA|TrEE] | HuHu |
| 18:22.46 | bzgirl | hello |
| 18:23.50 | tea|tree | g2 is c00l :D |
| 18:24.02 | tea|tree | i think i will start getting starting playing bz again |
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| 18:52.17 | Patlabor221 | hot water is sooooo nice after you miss it for a couple days |
| 19:32.30 | prot-work | oh |
| 19:32.30 | prot-work | my |
| 19:32.31 | prot-work | god |
| 19:35.06 | sussudio | they have hot running water in kentucky? |
| 19:35.19 | prot-work | nonono |
| 19:35.33 | prot-work | the research group who is giving me access to their lab is acquiring a new machine |
| 19:35.37 | prot-work | onyx |
| 19:35.39 | prot-work | ffffff |
| 19:35.41 | prot-work | four |
| 19:36.08 | sussudio | mkay |
| 19:36.25 | JBDiGriz | Nice, but hardly unbelievable. |
| 19:36.48 | prot-work | full-height unit |
| 19:37.07 | prot-work | meaning: 54 Mpixels/s with FSAA |
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| 19:42.14 | prot-work | oooh |
| 19:42.22 | prot-work | this magnificent machine is arriving the first week in august |
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| 19:43.31 | Chikorita | hi people! |
| 19:43.42 | bzgirl | hi chiko |
| 19:43.55 | Chikorita | bzgirllllllllllllllllllllll |
| 19:44.00 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 19:44.36 | Chikorita | wow itz really nice out taday |
| 19:44.54 | bzgirl | its crummy here, all dull |
| 19:45.08 | Chikorita | i should go get sum sun |
| 19:45.09 | Chikorita | aww |
| 19:45.18 | JBDiGriz | It's just another day in paradise out here! ;{) |
| 19:45.21 | Chikorita | ur in toronto yes? |
| 19:45.27 | bzgirl | yeah |
| 19:45.30 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 19:45.45 | Chikorita | iz dat a moustache u have there JB? |
| 19:46.09 | JBDiGriz | Occasionally, I grow a moustache, but it's my evil grin smiley! |
| 19:46.19 | Chikorita | ooH lol |
| 19:46.22 | JBDiGriz | a Snidely Whiplash moustache! |
| 19:46.25 | prot-work | snidely moustache! |
| 19:46.27 | prot-work | hehe |
| 19:46.33 | Chikorita | dis iz mah evil smiley >:) |
| 19:47.03 | Chikorita | dis iz fiber wif hiz goatee >>> :)- |
| 19:47.07 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 19:47.13 | JBDiGriz | Chikorita: I don't expect to see you with a moustache. |
| 19:47.24 | Chikorita | LoL dat would b bad |
| 19:48.35 | Chikorita | lalalala |
| 19:48.38 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 19:48.59 | fiberchunks | hrmph |
| 19:49.08 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 19:49.21 | JBDiGriz | fiberchunks: are you grumpy today? |
| 19:49.25 | Chikorita | brb |
| 19:49.37 | fiberchunks | a tad -- trying to decipher the joys of blender's interface |
| 19:49.42 | fiberchunks | and it is _slow_ going |
| 19:50.24 | fiberchunks | but, it's just like anything else -- practice gets you into it |
| 19:51.08 | fiberchunks | but, enough of that |
| 19:51.10 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 19:58.35 | fiberchunks | see here: http://fiberchunks.bakadigital.com/images/foo.jpg << initial blendering attempt |
| 19:59.41 | prot-work | especially now that we'll be creating widgets in blender |
| 19:59.42 | Patlabor221 | least its a start :) |
| 20:00.13 | fiberchunks | true enough -- tutorials are a wonderful thing -- though I need to find more of em |
| 20:00.31 | fiberchunks | the UI really is a bear to get used to, though |
| 20:00.43 | fiberchunks | hehe, that thing is kewl ;) |
| 20:00.56 | prot-work | taken a look at it? |
| 20:01.01 | fiberchunks | yah |
| 20:01.12 | Patlabor221 | I have an old version of truspace round here |
| 20:01.18 | Patlabor221 | still using lightwave tho |
| 20:01.18 | prot-work | old version kinda sucks |
| 20:01.23 | prot-work | 5+ is the one with the cool interface |
| 20:01.28 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 20:01.36 | fiberchunks | so -- blender is a modeller -- what's a good texture-maker? |
| 20:01.41 | prot-work | gimp! |
| 20:01.43 | Patlabor221 | fiber this is my last atempt at modeling, http://www.bakadigital.com/hovytanky5.jpg |
| 20:01.49 | Patlabor221 | photoshop |
| 20:02.01 | Patlabor221 | how is blenders UV maping interface? |
| 20:02.13 | fiberchunks | oooo, that's the new and improved phat tank, right? |
| 20:02.19 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:02.24 | fiberchunks | daz purty ;) |
| 20:02.25 | Patlabor221 | tho I have some new shots |
| 20:02.28 | prot-work | sheeeesh |
| 20:02.33 | prot-work | so sgi is giving this machine to the center |
| 20:02.40 | prot-work | so that sgi can demo it >:) |
| 20:02.54 | fiberchunks | I have no idea about UV mapping interfaces -- you'd have to ask scanline his opinions, I wager |
| 20:02.56 | Patlabor221 | and who gets to play with it? |
| 20:03.17 | prot-work | i'll need to sexor them a bit though |
| 20:03.27 | Patlabor221 | cus making a texture is a 2 part deal, wraping the image around the model, and drawing the texture on the image |
| 20:03.39 | fiberchunks | so I assume that for seamless textures, the image needs to map top-to-bottom, and left-to-right, correct? |
| 20:03.50 | Patlabor221 | if you want them to repeat |
| 20:04.01 | fiberchunks | well, yah, that's what I mean by 'seamless' |
| 20:04.02 | Patlabor221 | skinmeshes almost never repeat |
| 20:04.12 | Patlabor221 | you can have seamless non repeating too |
| 20:04.19 | Patlabor221 | if you model right |
| 20:04.30 | Patlabor221 | usualy rpeated textures is for large world like thingys |
| 20:04.38 | fiberchunks | like grass ;) |
| 20:04.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah like grass |
| 20:04.54 | Patlabor221 | and bricks |
| 20:04.59 | Patlabor221 | textureing those are easy |
| 20:05.01 | fiberchunks | water? |
| 20:05.03 | Patlabor221 | just a flat map |
| 20:05.11 | Patlabor221 | flat textured water looks like crap |
| 20:05.45 | fiberchunks | does a repetitive texture map accordingly to say, landscapes? or do you need to do some other voodoo to map it? |
| 20:06.05 | fiberchunks | (and make it look right) |
| 20:06.13 | Patlabor221 | depends on the texture |
| 20:06.24 | Patlabor221 | but for like just grass it's just a flat maping |
| 20:06.25 | Patlabor221 | realy easy |
| 20:06.29 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 20:06.41 | Patlabor221 | depends how tricky you want to get with it |
| 20:07.29 | bzgirl | whate are the quotes called that share the tilde key...backquotes? |
| 20:07.38 | fiberchunks | backticks |
| 20:07.42 | fiberchunks | or backquotes, yah |
| 20:07.46 | bzgirl | k |
| 20:08.21 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> is there any specific size (optimally) that a texture should be? or is that determined by the model? |
| 20:08.34 | fiberchunks | specifically, repetitive things, like grass and bricks |
| 20:08.43 | fiberchunks | not stuff like for your tank there |
| 20:08.51 | Patlabor221 | depends on what you want to do with it |
| 20:09.03 | Patlabor221 | are you making game models, or just stuff to render and make a picture? |
| 20:09.06 | fiberchunks | say it's a wall on the castle crap I made? |
| 20:09.23 | fiberchunks | just wondering if there are any optimal sizes for things in general |
| 20:09.25 | Patlabor221 | what's it for? |
| 20:09.40 | Patlabor221 | optimal depends on the system that is rendering it |
| 20:09.42 | fiberchunks | nothing in particular (is _really_ the best answer I can give you) |
| 20:09.44 | Patlabor221 | if it's for a game |
| 20:09.49 | Patlabor221 | then power of 2 |
| 20:10.04 | fiberchunks | ah, ic -- nah, just general pictures |
| 20:10.05 | Patlabor221 | if it's just for a renderer then it depends on what that renderer wants |
| 20:10.16 | Patlabor221 | most GP renderers don't care |
| 20:10.22 | fiberchunks | GP? |
| 20:10.24 | Patlabor221 | since it'll be miped anyway |
| 20:10.29 | Patlabor221 | General Pourpose |
| 20:10.31 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 20:10.40 | prot-work | general porpoise! |
| 20:10.48 | fiberchunks | Colonel Dolphin! |
| 20:10.53 | Patlabor221 | all textures in 3d are scaled at some point |
| 20:11.02 | Patlabor221 | so it realy depends on the renderers scaling algo |
| 20:11.06 | fiberchunks | to match the model, i assume? |
| 20:11.35 | Patlabor221 | its 3d one pixel on the texture does not corospond to a single pixel on the screen |
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| 20:12.49 | Patlabor221 | and model units have no direct corolation to image units |
| 20:12.52 | Patlabor221 | or texel units |
| 20:12.59 | Patlabor221 | so it's all about the maping :) |
| 20:13.09 | fiberchunks | gotcha :) |
| 20:13.14 | Patlabor221 | this is the latest tanky http://www.bakadigital.com/hovytanky/ |
| 20:14.20 | Patlabor221 | in general higher res textures are better |
| 20:14.25 | fiberchunks | would make them more likely to jump too :) |
| 20:14.39 | Patlabor221 | but the maping determins how large the image is on the actual polygon |
| 20:15.28 | fiberchunks | so is your tank just colorfilled, or are those different colors actually textures? |
| 20:15.38 | Patlabor221 | that is just polygon colors |
| 20:15.41 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 20:15.48 | Patlabor221 | I have not UV maped it yet |
| 20:16.47 | fiberchunks | out of curiousity, what game was that horrendous elven broad from? |
| 20:17.02 | Patlabor221 | morowwind |
| 20:17.13 | Patlabor221 | that guy is good isn't he |
| 20:17.17 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 20:17.53 | fiberchunks | esp in light of the fact that the evil elf is in a production (pay-for) game :\ |
| 20:18.05 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:18.17 | Patlabor221 | look at all the ones he did for the wood elves |
| 20:18.17 | Patlabor221 | http://home.wnm.net/~bgriff/MW_WelfF.html |
| 20:20.16 | fiberchunks | good ghod, the comparison pics are no comparison |
| 20:20.22 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:20.29 | Patlabor221 | and he is lower on the poly count |
| 20:20.41 | fiberchunks | just noticed that :) |
| 20:21.28 | Patlabor221 | the bretons are good too |
| 20:21.29 | Patlabor221 | http://home.wnm.net/~bgriff/MW_BretF.html |
| 20:22.13 | fiberchunks | breton 3 is a hottie ;) |
| 20:23.38 | Patlabor221 | you can kind of see the acresses he used as refrence |
| 20:23.54 | fiberchunks | acresses? |
| 20:24.16 | Patlabor221 | look at the faces |
| 20:24.26 | Patlabor221 | don't the look like some acresses |
| 20:24.30 | prot-work | pourpoise!~. |
| 20:24.39 | Patlabor221 | one of the elves looks like Cameron Dias |
| 20:24.50 | fiberchunks | oh, actresses :) |
| 20:25.04 | fiberchunks | indeed, they do |
| 20:25.42 | fiberchunks | I think breton 3 has facial stucture like diaz, as well |
| 20:26.30 | Patlabor221 | his male models seem based on real people too |
| 20:26.52 | fiberchunks | wood elf 2 has same general facial structure |
| 20:27.33 | fiberchunks | the only thing that strikes me as really odd about them, is the ear shading in the profile shots |
| 20:27.39 | fiberchunks | the wood elves, that is |
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| 20:30.04 | Patlabor221 | the ears are from the origonal came |
| 20:30.05 | Patlabor221 | game |
| 20:30.54 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 20:40.00 | learnerAtWork | ugh |
| 20:40.04 | learnerAtWork | that was utterly too long |
| 20:40.37 | fiberchunks | useful meeting ;) |
| 20:41.52 | prot-work | so learnerAtWork |
| 20:42.01 | prot-work | you know how we were drooling over the new onyx yesterday? |
| 20:42.39 | prot-work | =D |
| 20:42.51 | Patlabor221 | damnit time zone is off on asgard |
| 20:42.58 | Patlabor221 | people are posting in the future |
| 20:43.18 | learnerAtWork | yes, cap |
| 20:43.30 | learnerAtWork | lemme guess |
| 20:43.31 | learnerAtWork | .... |
| 20:43.34 | learnerAtWork | you're getting one |
| 20:43.35 | prot-work | the research group who's letting me use their lab is being gifted one |
| 20:43.41 | learnerAtWork | bitch |
| 20:43.43 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 20:43.45 | prot-work | one of the 'extreme' configs too |
| 20:43.53 | learnerAtWork | ah, shucks |
| 20:43.59 | learnerAtWork | that .. is .. sweet |
| 20:44.02 | prot-work | just so sgi can do some crappy demos at a conference |
| 20:44.02 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 20:44.23 | learnerAtWork | oh, siggraph?? |
| 20:44.32 | prot-work | where is siggraph? |
| 20:44.35 | prot-work | this year |
| 20:44.35 | learnerAtWork | san diego |
| 20:44.39 | prot-work | nope |
| 20:44.40 | prot-work | here |
| 20:44.42 | learnerAtWork | drat |
| 20:44.43 | prot-work | something in october |
| 20:44.54 | learnerAtWork | ah, sounds like e3 |
| 20:45.43 | JBDiGriz | There are tons of sweet machines at NAB every year in Las Vegas, lots of fun! |
| 20:45.49 | Patlabor221 | e3 is in LA |
| 20:46.06 | fiberchunks | people are posting in the future -- neat :) |
| 20:46.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:46.26 | Patlabor221 | how do I see the timezone on the server? |
| 20:46.36 | learnerAtWork | date? |
| 20:46.37 | prot-work | e3 is in may, isn't it? |
| 20:46.42 | learnerAtWork | er, maybe |
| 20:46.44 | prot-work | all i know is "october" |
| 20:46.45 | Patlabor221 | it is yeah |
| 20:46.54 | Patlabor221 | e3 done and over |
| 20:47.08 | prot-work | i guess there's a geophysics thing in october in texas |
| 20:47.18 | prot-work | could be they're just going to get these people to make a demo and bring it |
| 20:47.33 | Patlabor221 | ahhh board thought it was GMT |
| 20:47.39 | learnerAtWork | hm, I wonder where supercomputing is this year |
| 20:47.40 | Patlabor221 | i'm GMT +8 right? |
| 20:47.49 | JBDiGriz | GMT-7 |
| 20:48.10 | Patlabor221 | ahh daylight savings |
| 20:48.12 | learnerAtWork | goat milk and tomato time |
| 20:48.28 | JBDiGriz | Does anybody really know what time it is? |
| 20:48.57 | prot-work | learnerAtWork: looks like phoenix |
| 20:49.41 | Patlabor221 | comicon is on in SanDiego now isn't it? |
| 20:49.52 | JBDiGriz | It starts on Thursday |
| 20:50.13 | Patlabor221 | friend of mine wants to go, but I don't know if I shold blow the money |
| 20:50.22 | fiberchunks | ha, I just posted a message after you that ended up before you :) |
| 20:50.37 | Patlabor221 | I'm a future kinda guy |
| 20:50.44 | Patlabor221 | cutting edge |
| 20:50.55 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221: My kids want to go, I'll probably take them on Saturday. It's always fun! |
| 20:51.30 | Patlabor221 | well I need to make sure the day he wants to go is not my mums b-day as well |
| 20:51.47 | JBDiGriz | Why not take her as well? |
| 20:52.06 | Patlabor221 | well don't think she goes in for that |
| 20:52.14 | Patlabor221 | and it's going to be bit of a drive |
| 20:52.21 | JBDiGriz | Have you asked her? |
| 20:52.40 | Patlabor221 | no, there would be laughing |
| 20:52.51 | JBDiGriz | I just recently made that drive. I had to bring a couple of kids up to Simi for camp. |
| 20:53.04 | Patlabor221 | ahh you were right next door then |
| 20:53.06 | JBDiGriz | What's wrong with making your mum laugh? |
| 20:53.16 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 20:56.02 | JBDiGriz | If you go, you can save parking fees and hassle by parking in Old Town and taking the trolley downtown. |
| 20:56.20 | learnerAtWork | jb, do you think a car rental is adviseable? |
| 20:57.21 | learnerAtWork | or is it easy enough to get around san diego otherwise |
| 20:57.27 | JBDiGriz | For siggraph, you'll be downtown, and parking is a pain. Public transport is ok downtown, although not too good if you want to go to Mission Bay. |
| 20:57.34 | learnerAtWork | I know of the trolly, and I assume taxis |
| 20:57.51 | JBDiGriz | Where did you want to go, besides the conference? |
| 20:58.03 | learnerAtWork | I usually like to check out the city :) |
| 20:58.17 | JBDiGriz | You'll be in the heart of the city, and it's great walking! |
| 20:58.35 | learnerAtWork | LA was a blast, but a car was really necessary there, san antonio really didn't need one |
| 20:58.53 | JBDiGriz | Mission Valley and Old Town are fun as well, and the trolley brings you right there. |
| 20:58.57 | learnerAtWork | how bad does driving get when a large conference is in town? |
| 20:59.28 | JBDiGriz | We're the sixth largest city in the country, and the third largest in CA. We don't notice large conferences. |
| 20:59.35 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 21:00.07 | JBDiGriz | There are bad spots if you're travelling from a major living area to a major working area, but those are the same every work day. |
| 21:01.02 | JBDiGriz | The only time I need some transport in San Antonio was going to the Alamo, and that was easy. I walked everywhere else. |
| 21:01.32 | JBDiGriz | LA is just plain awful, and the conference areas arent always pleasant to walk around. |
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| 21:05.41 | learnerAtWork | yea, had pretty much the same experiences |
| 21:05.56 | learnerAtWork | so it sounds like I should be good carless, in sd |
| 21:06.17 | JBDiGriz | Definitely, if you need a car for one day, you can get it at the hotel. |
| 21:06.33 | JBDiGriz | How many days are you planning to be here? |
| 21:09.18 | learnerAtWork | I'll be friday to friday downtown, and then I'll head up north to see some friends |
| 21:09.24 | learnerAtWork | come back monday after |
| 21:09.47 | learnerAtWork | Staying at the Marriot Marina :))) |
| 21:11.44 | JBDiGriz | What are your plans on the 26th? |
| 21:12.52 | learnerAtWork | that's sat or fri? |
| 21:13.07 | JBDiGriz | Sat |
| 21:13.33 | learnerAtWork | good question, I'm usually walking around the city that day |
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| 21:17.33 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 21:17.36 | learnerAtWork | Hi chika :) |
| 21:17.45 | Chikorita | hi L |
| 21:18.05 | Chikorita | phew it was gettin ruff ova dere in ducati |
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| 21:18.27 | JBDiGriz | Buenas Tardes Chica! |
| 21:18.40 | Chikorita | im not a tard |
| 21:18.43 | Chikorita | *snicka* |
| 21:18.47 | Chikorita | j/k |
| 21:18.55 | fiberchunks | yay! chieftains :) |
| 21:19.03 | Chikorita | Bueno nachos to u 2 JB ;) |
| 21:20.41 | JBDiGriz | Chieftains! Another person who listens to them around here? |
| 21:21.00 | fiberchunks | indeed :) |
| 21:21.15 | fiberchunks | 1/2 irish, 1/2 scot -- I don't think I could live with myself if I didn't ;) |
| 21:26.07 | fiberchunks | JBDiGriz> you listen too? |
| 21:26.46 | JBDiGriz | I listen to a lot of old time folk music. My musical tastes stopped somewhere in the 1970's |
| 21:26.53 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 21:27.06 | JBDiGriz | Disco killed it. |
| 21:27.14 | fiberchunks | disco killed many things :) |
| 21:27.27 | fiberchunks | but I do like techno and hard rock |
| 21:27.44 | bzgirl | there was some good disco |
| 21:27.58 | patlabor221 | burn baby burn |
| 21:28.04 | bzgirl | :) |
| 21:28.37 | JBDiGriz | The theme song of bz, "Stayin Alive" |
| 21:28.49 | learnerAtWork | disco girl? :) |
| 21:29.22 | patlabor221 | www.bakadigitial.com/14-The_Bee_Gees-Night_Fever-RNS.mp3 |
| 21:30.07 | patlabor221 | or better yet , www.bakadigital.com/13-The_Trammps-Disco_Inferno-RNS.mp3 |
| 21:33.59 | JBDiGriz | I actually used to listen to the Bee Gees before they went disco. |
| 21:34.06 | david_v | digitial? :) |
| 21:34.28 | JBDiGriz | Assume it's patlabor221 typing, and then make the usual corrections. |
| 21:34.34 | david_v | ;) |
| 21:34.53 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 21:35.37 | patlabor221 | what? |
| 21:35.57 | fiberchunks | your typing is being mocked ;) |
| 21:36.05 | patlabor221 | well duh |
| 21:36.10 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 21:36.20 | JBDiGriz | We're not mocking, just understanding what is meant |
| 21:36.52 | patlabor221 | I had to double check the domain when I registered it to make sure I didn't screw it up |
| 21:37.43 | Chikorita | i like ABBA |
| 21:37.46 | Chikorita | :) |
| 21:37.49 | learnerAtWork | heh :) |
| 21:37.59 | Chikorita | i werk out 2 ABBA |
| 21:38.01 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 21:39.05 | Chikorita | i tink i have only 1 old folk muzik CD |
| 21:39.19 | Chikorita | itz da "o brother where art thou" soundtrack |
| 21:39.28 | Chikorita | duz dat count as olf time folk? |
| 21:39.34 | Chikorita | old* |
| 21:39.37 | learnerAtWork | hehe, that's not and old CD you |
| 21:39.38 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 21:39.58 | Chikorita | o hehhe buh stil it sounds like old stuff |
| 21:40.09 | Chikorita | itz weally kinda good 2 listen 2 |
| 21:40.13 | JBDiGriz | The music is old time music. |
| 21:40.17 | Chikorita | catchy tunes |
| 21:41.14 | david_v | Chikorita: the movie is quite nice :) |
| 21:41.37 | JBDiGriz | The music was the best part of the movie. ;-) |
| 21:41.43 | learnerAtWork | yes it was |
| 21:41.43 | david_v | hehe |
| 21:41.52 | learnerAtWork | without that music, the movie would have been a big flop |
| 21:42.03 | learnerAtWork | imho, of course |
| 21:42.07 | david_v | hehe :) |
| 21:43.45 | Chikorita | "uh oh , were in a tight spot!" - George clooney |
| 21:43.57 | Chikorita | dat was sooo funny wen he sed dat line on da movie |
| 21:44.04 | Chikorita | in* |
| 21:44.19 | JBDiGriz | Chikorita: Have you gone to see Mamma Mia! |
| 21:44.27 | Chikorita | no i wanted too |
| 21:44.34 | Chikorita | i was in NY not too long ago |
| 21:45.00 | Chikorita | buh mah stupid friends wannted to c "the allergists wife " instead |
| 21:45.19 | Chikorita | buh dat was a good play it turnz out |
| 21:45.24 | Chikorita | really funny |
| 21:45.30 | JBDiGriz | I don't know that one. |
| 21:45.34 | Chikorita | an had a buncha twists in da story |
| 21:45.47 | Chikorita | i saw "rent" too |
| 21:45.51 | Chikorita | dat play rox |
| 21:45.53 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 21:46.01 | JBDiGriz | Rent is great! |
| 21:46.16 | Chikorita | if i eva get bak up to NYC imma go c Mamma Mia fo sho |
| 21:46.28 | Chikorita | i hope itz still playin up dere |
| 21:46.58 | Chikorita | we had to go see allergist wife cuz at dat time dere was sum sorta play strike goin on |
| 21:47.07 | Chikorita | no wait ,,,it was a musical strike |
| 21:47.11 | Chikorita | sumtin like dat... |
| 21:47.14 | Chikorita | i dunno |
| 21:47.23 | Chikorita | k ttyl L |
| 21:52.27 | sussudio | Chikorita should probably invest in a grammar & spelling tutor instead.... |
| 21:52.44 | Chikorita | JBDiGriz: The theme song of bz, "Staying Alive" |
| 21:52.49 | Chikorita | LoL i jus saw dat |
| 21:53.12 | Chikorita | mah theme iz "Hit me with your best shot" by pat benetar |
| 21:53.16 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 21:53.19 | Chikorita | shut up booger |
| 21:53.31 | Chikorita | booger on ignore |
| 21:53.43 | Chikorita | u should invest in sum manners |
| 21:53.59 | Chikorita | an sum mental therapy |
| 21:54.00 | sussudio | You're only confirming what i said. |
| 21:54.05 | JBDiGriz | Chikorita: When I hit you with my best shot, you go "BOOM!" |
| 21:54.06 | Chikorita | as r u |
| 21:54.13 | Chikorita | lol jb |
| 21:54.23 | sussudio | It's sad really. |
| 21:54.53 | learnerAtWork | jb, how about "I will survive" :) |
| 21:55.09 | Chikorita | lol |
| 21:55.20 | JBDiGriz | learnerAtWork: but I don't think you will, nor will I! ;{) |
| 21:55.23 | sussudio | I can see it now... Chikorita filling out a job application to work at McDonalds. [Hobbies]: hangin' wif da boyz LOLOLOLROFLLLFLLFLLFLL. Manager: "We'll let you know..... not." |
| 21:56.02 | sussudio | learner: that was the title, actually. |
| 21:56.25 | JBDiGriz | I thought that was the title? |
| 21:56.45 | Chikorita | river dance? |
| 21:56.57 | sussudio | How about Pat Benatar's "Hit me with your best shot"? |
| 21:57.14 | Chikorita | sussudio<<< will riverdance for a big mac |
| 21:57.21 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 21:57.24 | JBDiGriz | Try the Irish Rovers, they add an Irish flavor to a lot of music. |
| 21:57.35 | fiberchunks | ah the rovers |
| 21:57.45 | Chikorita | bbl |
| 21:57.50 | sussudio | McDonalds' excuse for food is disgusting and best left to consume by the already dangerously obese percentage of USians... |
| 21:57.50 | fiberchunks | JBDiGriz> do you go for clannad at all? |
| 21:58.30 | JBDiGriz | I haven't purchased any of their albums, but I have heard them on a couple of radio shows. I enjoy the music! |
| 21:58.39 | sussudio | I don't see clannad and bzflag going together |
| 21:59.07 | fiberchunks | yes, but when I play bz, it's usually tool or pantera on the speakers |
| 21:59.36 | bzgirl | headphones + techno + ducati |
| 21:59.43 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 21:59.47 | sussudio | maybe someone should start a thread about it |
| 21:59.49 | fiberchunks | ah, gp, techno too |
| 22:00.00 | fiberchunks | have at it |
| 22:00.02 | sussudio | and kill a few others.... |
| 22:00.25 | bzgirl | everyone should make available thier fave song for bz |
| 22:00.38 | bzgirl | the one that kills the most :) |
| 22:00.40 | JBDiGriz | Serious or not-so-serious? |
| 22:00.41 | fiberchunks | ooo, riaa violations, bzgirl -- shame on you |
| 22:00.57 | bzgirl | let them prosecute me |
| 22:01.01 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 22:01.15 | sussudio | I think mp3's are pretty much legal in Canuckistan |
| 22:01.15 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 22:01.16 | JBDiGriz | She's in Canada, Orrin Hatch had better leave her machine alone! |
| 22:01.24 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 22:01.49 | fiberchunks | 'whisk her up to monto' |
| 22:02.00 | sussudio | i have 10647 mp3's here |
| 22:03.09 | fiberchunks | no nay never ---- no nay never no more! well I play'd the wild rover - no nay never no more |
| 22:03.35 | learnerAtWork | I've only met two people that have been able to match my entire collection size legally |
| 22:04.11 | fiberchunks | I've got 13G of entirely legal music (all burned from my CD collection) |
| 22:04.27 | learnerAtWork | :) close -- not quite |
| 22:04.58 | bzgirl | learner you have 3GB of Milli Vanilli, so that dosent count |
| 22:05.04 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 22:05.06 | learnerAtWork | hahahha lol |
| 22:05.23 | learnerAtWork | do I really have any milli vanilli in there ?? I shouldn't |
| 22:07.04 | sussudio | 52GB is my own cd collection in MP3 15GB in downloads..... and 1.3GB in stuff i ripped from vinyl |
| 22:08.12 | bzgirl | fiberchunks: do you like the Pogues? |
| 22:08.24 | fiberchunks | bzgirl> indeed |
| 22:08.28 | bzgirl | good drinking music :) |
| 22:08.33 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 22:08.36 | sussudio | dentist music |
| 22:08.36 | bzgirl | as im sure you know |
| 22:08.41 | fiberchunks | any irish music is good for drinking :) |
| 22:11.35 | *** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 22:12.28 | learnerAtWork | ugh, I my irc addiction is too much to stay focused |
| 22:12.36 | fiberchunks | heeeee |
| 22:12.38 | learnerAtWork | sry, gonna shut down now :) |
| 22:12.57 | fiberchunks | later on |
| 22:36.54 | *** join/#bzflag tvon (~tvon@dsl092-046-225.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 22:36.59 | tvon | stibnite ever in here? |
| 22:37.15 | fiberchunks | sometimes |
| 22:37.17 | fiberchunks | but rarely |
| 22:37.27 | fiberchunks | why? cheater? |
| 22:37.30 | tvon | ah, dang |
| 22:37.40 | tvon | nah, I used to have the admin pass for hashmark...wanted to ask for it again |
| 22:37.46 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 22:58.50 | sussudio | tvon: don't you echo your logs? |
| 23:08.09 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@adsl-63-204-118-6.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 23:12.38 | tvon | sussudio: eh? |
| 23:14.07 | sussudio | tvon: bzflag -echoClean >>c:\temp\bzflag.log |
| 23:15.04 | sussudio | Bagheera: dropped Identify flag |
| 23:15.04 | sussudio | Bagheera: grabbed Super Bullet flag |
| 23:15.04 | sussudio | tvon: dropped Colorblindness flag |
| 23:15.04 | sussudio | tvon: grabbed Stealth flag |
| 23:15.04 | sussudio | like that |
| 23:22.00 | *** join/#bzflag learnerAtWork (sean@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net) |
| 23:22.20 | learnerAtWork | Hello, My name is learner and I'm an addict. |
| 23:22.33 | learnerAtWork | an irc addict |
| 23:25.04 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/extra_media (widget.wrl): i can't believe its not truespace! |
| 23:28.04 | captain_proton | damnit |
| 23:28.07 | captain_proton | the blender file didn't save? |
| 23:32.19 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/truespace.png =) |
| 23:32.25 | learnerAtWork | at least is quiet in here now .. |
| 23:32.39 | learnerAtWork | purdy, cap |
| 23:33.01 | captain_proton | yay for unusual widgets =) |
| 23:33.04 | JBDiGriz | welcome learnerAtWork! |
| 23:36.05 | *** join/#bzflag greg1 (~admin@greghub.net1.nerim.net) |
| 23:36.08 | greg1 | Hi |
| 23:37.54 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (~peacemkkr@205.197.172.222) |
| 23:38.01 | Chikorita | gregggggggggggggggggggggggggg |
| 23:38.04 | Chikorita | yay! |
| 23:38.05 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 23:38.20 | learnerAtWork | howdy greg, long time no see |
| 23:48.53 | Chikorita | greg sez hi learner :) |
| 23:48.58 | Chikorita | he iz chattin wif mee |
| 23:53.39 | Chikorita | ~d |
