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| 00:08.39 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Fix wireframe mode |
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| 00:27.39 | Chikorita | mhmm |
| 00:27.59 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 00:28.58 | Chikorita | >:) |
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| 00:29.33 | Chikorita | oops |
| 00:29.36 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 00:33.51 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the broken cross product, shiny pyramids now mostly work |
| 00:35.36 | sussi | know anybody if the 2 bug alredy known |
| 00:36.02 | captain_proton | scanline: wheee! thats sexy |
| 00:36.10 | scanline | only one problem with it though |
| 00:36.21 | scanline | all the pyramids are still using the same cube map because I have the texture bind commented out |
| 00:36.50 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/reflective_pyramid.jpeg |
| 00:37.12 | scanline | looks a lot cooler in motion though :) |
| 00:37.24 | scanline | should be better too once we have a sky |
| 00:37.40 | scanline | from normal tank eye-level there usually isn't much to reflect without one |
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| 00:39.18 | captain_proton | ouch |
| 00:39.23 | captain_proton | sony's profits dropped 98% |
| 00:41.00 | scanline | did everyone stop playing everquest? |
| 00:41.06 | bzdoug | hah |
| 00:41.44 | patlabor221 | planetside and SWG kinda tanked, PS2 sales ain't so hot, but that is only a tiny part of them |
| 00:42.06 | captain_proton | plus their earlier profits were bolstered by spiderman |
| 00:43.21 | captain_proton | scanline: they did invite me to drop them an email about maybe having a private tour thats more extensive than just the 4-wall immersive display |
| 00:43.30 | scanline | =) |
| 00:57.00 | bzdoug | *how* more extensive? :) |
| 00:57.59 | captain_proton | bzdoug: as you don't even know who i'm talking about, there's no reason in telling you |
| 00:58.16 | bzdoug | ok |
| 01:05.00 | captain_proton | scanline: time to write a movie recorder? =) |
| 01:05.20 | scanline | I was thinking I'd fix the camera, fix the cubemap binding, then maybe do a sky |
| 01:05.29 | scanline | but a movie recorder works too, after I fix these two problems |
| 01:05.40 | captain_proton | i'll do the sky |
| 01:05.44 | scanline | ok |
| 01:06.20 | scanline | the strangeness of all the camera coordinates was starting to annoy me |
| 01:06.42 | scanline | like the position actually being negative position, and the elevation actually being negative declination or something |
| 01:06.59 | captain_proton | heh |
| 01:07.08 | captain_proton | you have to remember that we're actually moving the world, not the camera |
| 01:07.26 | scanline | from OpenGL's point of view yes, but that's what a camera abstraction is supposed to hide |
| 01:07.58 | captain_proton | sort of |
| 01:08.06 | captain_proton | the camera is a good wrapper for the global transforms |
| 01:08.23 | captain_proton | but it'll still always be negative values, due to moving the world |
| 01:08.39 | scanline | my point is that a 'position' attribute of a Camera object should be the camera's position, not the world's position |
| 01:08.57 | scanline | and for almost every purpose, the former is more useful |
| 01:10.23 | bzdoug | ~convert 30 m to feet |
| 01:10.44 | scanline | ~convert 60 mph to mhz |
| 01:10.51 | scanline | bah! |
| 01:12.34 | bzdoug | ~convert 4.2 lightyears to miles |
| 01:12.55 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 01:13.08 | bzdoug | I could make something in python to figure that out |
| 01:13.48 | scanline | you know python? |
| 01:13.57 | bzdoug | sorta |
| 01:14.10 | bzdoug | havnt messed with it for a few months |
| 01:14.20 | scanline | it's a good language to start with.. you can learn most of it in about 15 minutes |
| 01:14.26 | bzdoug | yea |
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| 01:21.13 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Clean up Camera a bit |
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| 01:45.06 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (5 files in 4 dirs): Process the new additions to bzflag's world file format correctly, including shootthrough, drivethrough, flipz, and the world section |
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| 02:26.12 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (3 files in 2 dirs): Several small fixes related to pyramids with the flipZ option. This fixes a bug in WorldObject where default options could be modified by the world file, and fixes issues with normals and winding order in Pyramid |
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| 02:28.06 | Quol | phew - that I was waving at myself |
| 02:31.09 | learner | I thought you were just reaching for something up above you |
| 02:33.24 | Quol | lol |
| 02:34.09 | Quol | I changed the map on my FFA server...trying out the City one |
| 02:34.28 | Quol | I think KODA - is that his name?? I think he made it.. |
| 02:37.17 | Quol | KOBA - oops - almost had his name right... |
| 02:41.30 | scanline | hmm, bzflag seems to have a problem with very large objects in the world |
| 02:43.51 | scanline | oh, nevermind |
| 02:44.06 | fiberchunks | lo all |
| 02:44.19 | captain_proton | hah |
| 02:44.25 | fiberchunks | taking a break from 'real' work :) |
| 02:44.33 | captain_proton | arrow electronics sent me spam about some free evaluation kit thingies |
| 02:44.36 | captain_proton | but its forbidden |
| 02:44.47 | fiberchunks | I have to edit a spec and it's associated tables, etc etc -- fun fun |
| 02:45.16 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix position of flipZ'ed pyramids |
| 02:46.45 | fiberchunks | he's trying to take flight |
| 02:46.57 | learner | *thud* |
| 02:47.10 | fiberchunks | silly human |
| 02:47.20 | Quol | :) |
| 02:47.31 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (Pyramid.py): Fix cubemap center position in flipZ'ed pyramids |
| 02:47.51 | fiberchunks | ~lart spawar |
| 02:48.47 | Quol | fiberchunks - have you slept at all in a couple of day - I haven't gotten much sleep and whenever I am on IRC - I see you also :) |
| 02:48.58 | fiberchunks | about 4 hours total |
| 02:49.10 | fiberchunks | in the past 3 days :\ |
| 02:49.14 | Quol | that's what I thought....lol |
| 02:50.03 | fiberchunks | gotta finish this stupid thing before next week for upcoming non-joy of functional configuration audit |
| 02:50.12 | fiberchunks | yay :) |
| 02:50.19 | fiberchunks | I'll be playing there regular then :) |
| 02:50.54 | Quol | cool - then I will at least have someone to play with :) |
| 02:51.00 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 02:51.24 | fiberchunks | if it's done later tonight (I'm guessing ~1 am) lemme know, I'll play |
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| 02:53.07 | Quol | hey Skipp |
| 02:53.11 | Skipp | hey |
| 02:53.15 | Skipp | looking for gerbil |
| 02:53.17 | Quol | did you ever get your bzfs up and running? |
| 02:53.34 | Skipp | no, haven't tried yet, haven't worked up the ambition yet |
| 02:53.51 | Skipp | could take awhile with the amount of computer expertise i have :) |
| 02:54.08 | Quol | well - it's all abot learning...take your time |
| 02:54.12 | Quol | *about |
| 02:55.44 | Skipp | do u happen to know gerbil |
| 02:55.55 | Skipp | 's email or instant messanger screen name |
| 03:00.50 | bzgirl | Skipp, he reads bzbb, you can PM him there |
| 03:01.18 | Skipp | i need to send him a file |
| 03:01.32 | bzgirl | you can attach a file to a PM |
| 03:01.48 | Skipp | k |
| 03:01.57 | Skipp | learner: did u like those screenshots i sent u |
| 03:02.37 | learner | heh, they were good :) |
| 03:02.52 | learner | should've taken them later when I was the top scorer, though :) |
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| 03:04.29 | Skipp | sry about having to send them all in seperate emails |
| 03:04.41 | JBDiGriz | learner: how was lxg? |
| 03:04.44 | Skipp | don't wanna pay for the extra storage stuff |
| 03:05.05 | learner | JB: good stuff -- real good stuff |
| 03:05.18 | learner | skipp, np |
| 03:06.22 | bryjen | ~seen TimRiker |
| 03:06.22 | | i haven't seen 'timriker ', bryjen |
| 03:07.07 | bryjen | ~xmission |
| 03:09.40 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/extra_media (reflection_test.bzw): Adding a world for testing pyramid reflections |
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| 03:27.47 | Quol | just in case anyone sees fiber tonight - you can let him know that my All High Speed Server is up |
| 03:27.54 | Quol | I am off to bed - g'night all |
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| 03:34.02 | Michaelh | i love that feature request -- tanks should be solid ... |
| 03:39.09 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 03:39.16 | fiberchunks | wonnerful :) |
| 03:40.27 | Michaelh | I'm assuming tank collision is problematic somehow? |
| 03:41.54 | fiberchunks | don't think it is anymore |
| 03:42.00 | fiberchunks | in 1.9, that is |
| 03:42.48 | Michaelh | was it? |
| 03:50.23 | fiberchunks | I believe so, yes, cause the tank's collisions (mainly with planes and things) were determined based on a bounding box on the bottom of the tank, I do believe that tanks have 'real' collision around their shell too |
| 03:50.45 | fiberchunks | i.e., it's become a 3d bounding box, instead of 2d -- but I'm no expert ;) |
| 03:52.00 | Michaelh | neither am I, just interested... |
| 03:54.00 | fiberchunks | I think MAC fixed it -- he'll probably be on in an hour or so I wager |
| 04:00.29 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Ignore cube map texture binding errors for now. Adding a note to fix this to the TODO list |
| 04:01.51 | captain_proton | who is this wallycrooze clown? |
| 04:02.46 | Michaelh | ? |
| 04:03.00 | Michaelh | some hacker? |
| 04:03.26 | captain_proton | on the sf trackers |
| 04:03.37 | captain_proton | adding his input to all the feature requests |
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| 04:05.18 | Michaelh | lol .. adding comments to his own submissions... |
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| 04:05.54 | captain_proton | and then there were two |
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| 04:14.56 | MrApathyCream | oofa |
| 04:15.56 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): reset keymap |
| 04:16.51 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): the bug changed costumes |
| 04:18.18 | MrApathyCream | coo |
| 04:18.38 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a bug in the wind calculation that would cause the wind to diminish as the resolution increases. Yes, it looks like F=ma still applies. |
| 04:19.05 | captain_proton | good that physics still works |
| 04:19.09 | scanline | yep |
| 04:20.37 | scanline | will OpenGL always support 8 lights?> |
| 04:21.04 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 04:21.08 | captain_proton | you'd have to check spec versions |
| 04:21.24 | scanline | or I guess there's a doodad for querying the number of ligh ts |
| 04:21.26 | scanline | er, lights |
| 04:22.17 | scanline | ah, GL_MAX_LIGHTS |
| 04:23.19 | captain_proton | clever name for it |
| 04:23.46 | scanline | yep |
| 04:25.10 | captain_proton | that cross-grain bumpiness still bothers me a lot |
| 04:25.27 | scanline | patches welcome :) |
| 04:25.34 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:25.44 | scanline | right now the most pressing issue with the cloth though is that gigantic memory leak |
| 04:26.38 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 04:27.20 | scanline | hrm |
| 04:27.26 | scanline | why is GL_MAX_LIGHTS 3377? |
| 04:27.48 | MrApathyCream | any more would be just ridiculous |
| 04:28.04 | scanline | oh, ok |
| 04:28.18 | Michaelh | that's the value of it or the value of the enumeration? |
| 04:28.31 | scanline | ah.. this is an enum I have to pass to glGetIntegerv :) |
| 04:28.31 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: =) |
| 04:28.38 | captain_proton | hehehe |
| 04:29.00 | Michaelh | baaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 04:29.31 | MrApathyCream | cap, are roaming keys implemented? |
| 04:29.54 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: yeah, but they're slightly different because the current keymap architecture doesn't allow one key to be bound to multiple actions |
| 04:30.37 | MrApathyCream | learner: any more work on the cpu sucker module? |
| 04:30.46 | scanline | what the... |
| 04:30.51 | scanline | something's setting an ambient lighting value? |
| 04:31.12 | MrApathyCream | hmm was BZFlag tim? |
| 04:31.13 | scanline | I just turned off all the lights and modelviewer still shows a somewhat dark widget |
| 04:31.28 | MrApathyCream | still have lighting enabled? |
| 04:31.34 | scanline | yes |
| 04:31.39 | scanline | is there a default ambient light value? |
| 04:31.44 | Michaelh | YOUVE FOUND THE DARK WIDGET! |
| 04:31.58 | MrApathyCream | scanline: don't recall |
| 04:32.06 | scanline | k |
| 04:32.30 | Michaelh | beware the dark widge |
| 04:32.31 | Michaelh | t |
| 04:33.10 | scanline | ah.. looks like GL_LIGHT_MODEL_AMBIENT does have a nonzero value |
| 04:33.35 | scanline | (0.2, 0.2, 0.2, 1.0) |
| 04:33.59 | learner | MAC, other than adding a couple lines for to use the -filterCallsigns, no -- it's done for now |
| 04:34.42 | MrApathyCream | according to opengl proggyguide -- no, light_ambient is 0,0,0,1 |
| 04:34.54 | scanline | this is from the manpage |
| 04:35.02 | learner | bunny is running with filtering on it if people want to try it out |
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| 04:44.08 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Clean up the lighting code in ThreeDRender a bit |
| 04:44.18 | scanline | the extreme-overly-bright lighting only seems to affect VRML models... |
| 04:44.32 | scanline | you'd think that would mean it has non-normalized normals |
| 04:44.44 | captain_proton | tried enabling GL_NORMALIZE? |
| 04:45.07 | scanline | first I'll have it print out the magnitudes |
| 04:45.29 | scanline | hmm, all 1.0 |
| 04:45.52 | scanline | funky... GL_NORMALIZE fixes it |
| 04:46.02 | captain_proton | weird |
| 04:46.31 | captain_proton | this is so bizzare |
| 04:46.40 | scanline | hmm? |
| 04:46.43 | captain_proton | sometimes, mpg123 & madplay just quit playing an mp3 |
| 04:46.48 | captain_proton | but mplayer always works |
| 04:46.55 | scanline | indeed weird |
| 04:48.47 | scanline | hmm.. and if I compute the magnitude by hand without using BZFlag.Geometry.normalize() it's 1.0 |
| 04:49.20 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.20 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.20 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.23 | scanline | look right? |
| 04:50.39 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 04:51.03 | scanline | so that's printing a bunch of 1.0s... but they apparently aren't normalized according to OpenGL |
| 04:53.11 | MrApathyCream | perhaps some transformation being applied? |
| 04:54.00 | scanline | glScale and such shouldn't affect normals, right? even if they did, I'm not doing any transformations on this object |
| 04:54.18 | captain_proton | glScale -does- affect normals |
| 04:54.28 | captain_proton | glScale is usually a bad idea |
| 04:54.30 | scanline | ah |
| 04:54.44 | scanline | and I forgot about these transforms stored in the VRML file |
| 04:54.54 | scanline | looks like it is indeed scaling it |
| 04:55.27 | scanline | but wouldn't a scale of 0.25 make it appear darker rather than lighter? |
| 04:56.04 | captain_proton | depends how the light normal is used |
| 04:56.11 | captain_proton | could be it does some inverse multiply |
| 04:56.17 | scanline | k |
| 04:56.28 | scanline | so I guess I'll just have to turn GL_NORMALIZE back on globally :-/ |
| 04:56.34 | captain_proton | ew |
| 04:56.41 | captain_proton | why not just within the VRML drawable? |
| 04:57.00 | scanline | because now I'm going to worry about my normals being abnormal anywhere I modify the modelview matrix :) |
| 04:57.40 | captain_proton | yay for abnormal normals |
| 04:59.15 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (VRML.py): Keep all the normals normalized in VRML models regardless of any scale transformations applied to the meshes later |
| 04:59.28 | scanline | the flagpole looks a lot better now |
| 04:59.45 | scanline | partly because it's ridiculously high-poly... |
| 04:59.52 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:00.04 | captain_proton | ah yes |
| 05:00.07 | captain_proton | lighting is much better |
| 05:00.20 | captain_proton | freakin ugly flag |
| 05:00.37 | scanline | heh, the mesh still bugging you? |
| 05:00.42 | captain_proton | quite |
| 05:01.10 | scanline | that wind really needs some randomness to it now that the cross product isn't introducing its own |
| 05:01.18 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 05:01.36 | scanline | or I could just break the cross product again :) |
| 05:02.02 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:02.02 | scanline | but first I should switch back from glInterleavedArray to glVertexPointer to avoid the memory leak for now... |
| 05:02.11 | MrApathyCream | where's the particle-rain? |
| 05:02.14 | captain_proton | finished the movie recorder yet? =) |
| 05:02.22 | scanline | captain_proton: almost :P |
| 05:02.32 | scanline | heh.. particles |
| 05:02.36 | scanline | I was thinking about those |
| 05:02.39 | captain_proton | you're not coding HARD ENOUGH! |
| 05:02.48 | captain_proton | scanline: particle system should be implemented just like jetstream's |
| 05:02.57 | captain_proton | because jetstream's particle system implementation is so sexy |
| 05:03.13 | scanline | well, we can't put textures on the particles until this bug in PyOpenGL is fixed |
| 05:03.27 | captain_proton | true |
| 05:03.31 | captain_proton | submitted it as a bug yet? |
| 05:03.36 | scanline | because to avoid the memory leak I'm going to have to go back to gl*Pointer, and glTexCoordPointer seems to be broke in PyOpenGL yet |
| 05:03.52 | scanline | haven't submitted a proper bug report, though I did send some sample code in a long email to the list :) |
| 05:04.08 | scanline | made about an 8 line python program that ate memory via the bug |
| 05:04.15 | captain_proton | hee |
| 05:04.47 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (7 files in 5 dirs): Observer is a first class team |
| 05:04.57 | scanline | wha.. |
| 05:05.00 | scanline | why is observer a team? |
| 05:05.13 | scanline | why not just unbreak JAFO so it can be a player type like it's supposed to be? |
| 05:05.32 | scanline | team implies that you're actually playing the game |
| 05:06.08 | MrApathyCream | makes limit checking fold into the normal way of checking, also gets rid of ridiculous @kludge |
| 05:06.37 | scanline | ok, so it's better than the current method :) |
| 05:06.48 | scanline | still not as good as fixing JAFO though, IMHO |
| 05:07.00 | MrApathyCream | perhaps |
| 05:08.32 | MrApathyCream | besides, i had to do it that way, it was in the todo :) |
| 05:08.39 | scanline | oh, ok |
| 05:10.14 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (TODO): well, it ISN'T IN THE TODO NO MORE! |
| 05:10.14 | scanline | arrgh... glVertexPointer is leaking too? |
| 05:10.42 | captain_proton | scanline: ew |
| 05:11.02 | scanline | I should try this 1-argument form that supposedly takes a Numeric array directly |
| 05:11.18 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: you beat me to it, and we happened on the same set of TODO removals |
| 05:11.41 | MrApathyCream | Merging differences between 1.52 and 1.53 into TODO |
| 05:11.42 | MrApathyCream | bzflag/TODO already contains the differences between 1.52 and 1.53 |
| 05:12.04 | scanline | grr.. the 1-argument form gives me an 'invalid value' error |
| 05:12.43 | captain_proton | scanline: i think this proves that nobody has done serious gl work in python yet |
| 05:12.50 | scanline | captain_proton: yeah... |
| 05:13.08 | scanline | I was reading the pyopengl email archives, and someone posted a list of apps they knew of that used pyopengl |
| 05:13.22 | scanline | the most serious-looking one I remember seeing is a demo of subsurf modeling |
| 05:13.37 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (TODO): clarification on a couple items |
| 05:13.49 | scanline | methinks I'll try a video recorder, then get myself up to speed on SWIG so I can write some PyOpenGL patches :) |
| 05:14.09 | captain_proton | swig is cool |
| 05:14.34 | captain_proton | i didn't get a chance to ask about licensing issues re: trackd-api, since the only guy there was one of the grad students |
| 05:14.36 | scanline | I've read a little of their documentation, but never actually used it |
| 05:20.53 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): New flag pole model- lower polygon count and slightly different color scheme |
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| 05:21.26 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (TODO): More TODOs not TODO |
| 05:25.54 | captain_proton | erg |
| 05:26.21 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:26.24 | scanline | whoa |
| 05:29.17 | scanline | hmm |
| 05:29.29 | scanline | a normal distribution just makes the flag look bumpy |
| 05:29.45 | scanline | I think eventually we'll want to attach wind direction and velocity to a perlin noise function |
| 05:29.53 | captain_proton | you perlin noise fanatic |
| 05:30.06 | scanline | with good reason :) |
| 05:31.02 | captain_proton | aha |
| 05:31.06 | captain_proton | its a model |
| 05:31.15 | captain_proton | thats rotated based on time of day |
| 05:31.23 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Use a normal distribution to generate wind speed and magnitude each frame. Not as good as perlin noise would be, but better than nothing |
| 05:31.41 | scanline | btw, I think we should draw the sky with the bottom row of the modelview matrix set to identity |
| 05:32.02 | scanline | I get creeped out by skies I can walk out of :) |
| 05:32.07 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:32.12 | scanline | er, skys.. |
| 05:32.52 | captain_proton | so i really need to become a part of the bp center |
| 05:32.56 | captain_proton | they're going to siggraph :( |
| 05:34.17 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/doc (TODO): Add TODO items for the sky, perlin noise wind, and video recorder |
| 05:34.54 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/doc (TODO): Remove completed TODO items |
| 05:36.14 | scanline | hmmm |
| 05:36.18 | scanline | that's a good idea |
| 05:36.45 | scanline | of course, this will just make me want to watch pi :) |
| 05:38.10 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/doc (TODO): particles! |
| 05:38.32 | scanline | when you aren't right up next to it, the flag mesh looks really nice |
| 05:38.35 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (Box.py): random whitespace cleanup |
| 05:39.14 | captain_proton | spring sims are very cool |
| 05:39.40 | scanline | I played around with them a long time ago, but I didn't have a very powerful computer |
| 05:39.53 | scanline | so it was all 1D sims and 2D graphics, in DOS |
| 05:40.08 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:40.10 | captain_proton | oooh: |
| 05:40.15 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.28 | scanline | hehe! |
| 05:41.10 | captain_proton | you can tell that sodaplay is done by CS people |
| 05:41.35 | scanline | hm? |
| 05:41.54 | captain_proton | just the "lets make a spring sim" ... "ok, we have a really cool spring sim. lets add AI!" |
| 05:42.07 | scanline | :) |
| 05:43.30 | captain_proton | boom dot bust. a platform agnostic, browser blind bit broker. from US WhatGate Plus |
| 05:44.26 | scanline | the hardest part of this should be rewriting rgb2yuv420.cpp in Numeric |
| 05:48.20 | scanline | hmm |
| 05:48.49 | MrApathyCream | ~spell annoint |
| 05:48.51 | | possible spellings for annoint: anoint anoints anointer anent Antoine appoint amount anion Antoni unmount announce anointed anon Antony anions |
| 05:50.11 | MrApathyCream | anyone heard from chestal, he seems strangly quiet |
| 05:54.04 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:54.18 | captain_proton | i managed to create a soda thats synchronized to the beat in the song i'm listening to |
| 05:54.29 | scanline | hmm.. soda... |
| 05:55.21 | captain_proton | its cool to watch spring systems dance to the muzak |
| 05:55.40 | scanline | new xmms plugin idea? |
| 05:55.53 | scanline | or you could do it the same way I did the visualizer for my case |
| 05:56.20 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:56.37 | captain_proton | i want to try out that cg shader that visualizes music |
| 05:56.38 | scanline | it got info on what song was playing and such via the xmms control socket, and read sound data from ESD |
| 05:58.23 | scanline | what's the speed difference between floating point and integer math these days? |
| 06:01.37 | captain_proton | dunno |
| 06:01.41 | captain_proton | depends on the machine |
| 06:01.48 | scanline | well, never mind |
| 06:02.00 | captain_proton | for instance, my fp/int ratio is better than yours, due to SSE2 |
| 06:02.07 | scanline | I thought I might be able to speed this thing up a bit converting some of the fixed point math to float, but it doesn't look like that would help |
| 06:02.37 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:02.41 | captain_proton | so 1.8 actually uses a sky cube |
| 06:02.43 | scanline | I wonder if Numeric can use SSE/SSE2... it alraedy forces you to use a vector programming style |
| 06:07.59 | captain_proton | long live FEZ |
| 06:08.04 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Server is notified of pause changes, annointing rabbits with this knoedge |
| 06:08.06 | MrApathyCream | si |
| 06:11.07 | captain_proton | yay for annointing rabbits |
| 06:12.21 | MrApathyCream | time to ship |
| 06:13.06 | captain_proton | yep |
| 06:14.47 | MrApathyCream | ok, i'm willing to test for a half hour or so on xmission |
| 06:14.53 | MrApathyCream | any takers? |
| 06:15.36 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, might have to wait few mins for server to rebuild |
| 06:22.00 | scanline | I really love Numeric |
| 06:23.25 | captain_proton | scary |
| 06:24.27 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (Sky.py): hey look, its a bunch of random color data. CIA, say hi to diablo for me |
| 06:24.44 | MrApathyCream | evil |
| 06:24.44 | scanline | haha |
| 06:25.59 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): if no rabbit, anoint on MsgAlive, not MsgEnter |
| 06:28.02 | captain_proton | ya know, sometimes it makes me wonder whether he's my stalker or i'm his |
| 06:28.34 | scanline | =) |
| 06:28.44 | scanline | probably a mutual stalkership |
| 06:29.01 | captain_proton | something like that |
| 06:29.44 | MrApathyCream | welp, i guess i've done enough damage for the day |
| 06:29.53 | captain_proton | yay |
| 06:29.57 | captain_proton | poing pOINg |
| 06:32.37 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (MovieRecorder.py): A python class to do RGB to YUV420 color conversion with Numeric. Part of the effort to port the Jetstream/Crystalspace movie recorder to Python. |
| 06:48.49 | captain_proton | woo! |
| 07:10.41 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (2 files): Now you can easily and gracefully enable and disable a video recorder that does absolutely nothing, via the ThreeDControl |
| 07:43.24 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (MovieRecorder.py): goddamn vim-highlighting-fu! |
| 07:48.03 | *** join/#bzflag [TeA|TrEE] (~[TeA|TrEE@pD9E96566.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:16.30 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-209-1-9-248.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
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| 09:25.05 | *** join/#bzflag guest930 (~c0a8005c@p509118B8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:25.38 | guest930 | [dmp]: available? |
| 09:25.59 | [dmp] | guest930: im here |
| 09:26.17 | guest930 | have U time for a little match? |
| 09:26.54 | [dmp] | i got like 10-15 mins. |
| 09:27.10 | guest930 | that's ok |
| 09:27.22 | [dmp] | where? ducati? |
| 09:27.31 | guest930 | 5155 or 5156? |
| 09:27.36 | [dmp] | 5156 :) |
| 09:27.43 | [dmp] | ~d |
| 09:27.44 | guest930 | nok...cu there ;) |
| 09:27.47 | [dmp] | cu |
| 10:00.18 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Hooray, a video recorder |
| 10:02.56 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/flag.avi |
| 10:17.56 | scanline | actually, that avi file has a problem with it |
| 10:27.52 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix frame rate encoded into recorded AVI files, add a real command line interface to movieconverter |
| 10:46.34 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Proper support for variable timestep integration in the spring system cloth model |
| 10:49.40 | scanline | hmm, I should have worded that commit message directly |
| 10:49.45 | scanline | er, differently |
| 10:56.03 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@AC94A25C.ipt.aol.com) |
| 10:56.50 | Chikorita | hey! |
| 10:56.53 | scanline | hiya |
| 10:57.05 | Chikorita | hi scanline |
| 10:57.30 | Chikorita | sup sup sup |
| 10:57.34 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 10:57.36 | scanline | supski |
| 10:57.55 | Chikorita | ntm , jus d/l sum muzik |
| 10:58.13 | Chikorita | i was hopin learner was awake |
| 10:58.37 | Chikorita | maybee i go buzz him .. |
| 10:59.10 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 10:59.25 | Chikorita | he prolly on hiz way ta werk |
| 11:00.13 | Chikorita | learnerInHisCar |
| 11:00.16 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 11:00.50 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 11:01.26 | Chikorita | mmm i go check mee mail an den im off ta play sum bz :) |
| 11:01.28 | Chikorita | bbl |
| 11:12.27 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (3 files in 2 dirs): All timing is now managed by both Timekeeper and a singleton TimeMaster. This is slightly more efficient, and opens the door for non-realtime simulation. This will be needed immediately for running the movie recorder at the proper speed, and should be useful later for synchronizing to a server's timebase. |
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| 11:31.03 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (3 files in 2 dirs): New non-realtime timemaster for the movie recorder |
| 11:38.56 | dougAtWork | SHOWER@?@? |
| 11:45.48 | learner | :) |
| 11:45.59 | learner | you're already aw work doug? |
| 11:46.07 | learner | you in europe? |
| 11:46.40 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/flag.avi |
| 11:47.17 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (movieconverter.py): Tweak default mpeg4 bit rate |
| 11:48.26 | learner | hehe |
| 11:48.32 | learner | cool, scanline |
| 11:48.37 | scanline | =) |
| 11:48.43 | learner | shoulda made an mpeg :P |
| 11:48.47 | scanline | there are still some bugs in this movie recorder, but I managed to make it grab the flag |
| 11:49.04 | scanline | it should be mpeg4, as produced by mencoder and libavcodec |
| 11:49.20 | learner | well.. non-avi mpeg :) |
| 11:49.32 | scanline | don't think mencoder does that right |
| 11:49.45 | learner | I noticed it self-intersects |
| 11:49.56 | scanline | yes, it doesn't do collision detection (yet?) |
| 11:50.47 | learner | is the cloth sim a fixed grid mesh? |
| 11:50.57 | scanline | yes |
| 11:51.11 | scanline | captain_proton was pondering ways to have it not look so crunchy at the folds in the cloth |
| 11:51.31 | scanline | the nice thing about this method is speed... |
| 11:51.37 | dougAtWork | nope, eastern time zone |
| 11:51.41 | learner | yea, fixed grid is great for speed |
| 11:51.44 | scanline | it's all written in python, and simulating+rendering at around 200 FHz |
| 11:52.18 | learner | you'd probably cut it in half going to a stretching spring system |
| 11:52.46 | scanline | er.. this is a spring system, and the springs do stretch |
| 11:52.52 | learner | nice though, very nice |
| 11:53.11 | learner | ah |
| 11:53.26 | scanline | this always has the same triangles connected to a grid of points, but the points are all connected to their 8 nearest neighbors with springs |
| 11:53.27 | learner | can the cloth be "stretched" |
| 11:53.31 | scanline | yes |
| 11:53.39 | learner | coo |
| 11:53.42 | scanline | I tried to record a wireframe where that was more clear, but the recorder got finicky |
| 11:54.33 | scanline | what did you mean? |
| 11:55.08 | scanline | yeah, something is causing this recorder to save incomplete frames sometimes.. |
| 11:55.16 | learner | I meant fixed point spring points (rigid springs) that merely propagate forces |
| 11:55.17 | scanline | it breaks when I go into wireframe mode oddly enough |
| 11:55.23 | scanline | ah |
| 11:55.29 | learner | I wasn't thinking about dynamic mesh resolution |
| 11:55.33 | scanline | stretchy springs are actually easier to simulate than rigid springs |
| 11:55.39 | learner | though that would be cool |
| 11:55.50 | scanline | the stiffer the springs are the more numerical instability you have |
| 11:55.58 | scanline | so this method wouldn't work at all for infinitely stiff springs |
| 11:56.27 | scanline | right now the wind isn't powerful enough to stretch the springs too noticeably except at the two corners where the cloth is pinned to the flag |
| 11:56.48 | scanline | the simulation is actually really flexible.. you can comment out the affector that pins up the flag and it will blow away like a discarded napkin :) |
| 11:57.13 | learner | :) |
| 11:58.02 | dougAtWork | whats this? |
| 11:58.15 | scanline | my flag of doom! |
| 11:58.44 | learner | scanline's going to make a cloth tank that gets discarded like a napkin |
| 11:58.46 | dougAtWork | what program? |
| 11:58.50 | scanline | pybzflag |
| 11:59.03 | scanline | I wrote the cloth simulator from scratch, it's very simple actually |
| 11:59.15 | dougAtWork | wow |
| 11:59.16 | dougAtWork | :P |
| 11:59.23 | scanline | 230 lines of code for the whole simulator :p |
| 11:59.37 | learner | not bad.. |
| 11:59.48 | dougAtWork | in python... |
| 11:59.49 | scanline | some big comment blocks in there too |
| 12:00.01 | dougAtWork | naw |
| 12:00.04 | dougAtWork | that would be easy |
| 12:00.13 | scanline | learner: I tend to produce pretty verbosely commented code usually |
| 12:01.11 | scanline | I can probably get a copy of this spring sim from the anonymous cvs browser do-widget.. |
| 12:02.00 | scanline | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/bzflag/pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/SpringSystem.py?rev=1.11&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 12:02.27 | scanline | the beginning of integrateSprings() will be pretty weird if you don't know how Numeric's slice operator works, but the rest should be pretty self explanatory |
| 12:05.12 | learner | nice and clean |
| 12:05.21 | learner | :) |
| 12:05.22 | scanline | =) |
| 12:06.13 | scanline | might be able to do that with big chunks of this |
| 12:06.24 | scanline | pybzflag's rendering architecture in general is quite spiffy |
| 12:06.42 | scanline | has these abstract render passes that collect drawables and render them, sorting by texture |
| 12:06.44 | learner | it looks like it should convert almost 1-1 for that class |
| 12:07.08 | scanline | if you do anything serious, you should get the sfsnap or the non-anoncvs, since I fixed some bugs since the anoncvs updated |
| 12:07.12 | learner | that abstraction is missing, but I can imagine ways around that |
| 12:07.35 | learner | I have ssh cvs.. |
| 12:07.49 | scanline | also, that class only produces an array of vertices. there's another that renders it using triangle strips, and a demo proggie that sets up a cloth to simulate a flag |
| 12:07.55 | scanline | ah, of course :) |
| 12:08.10 | learner | silly scanline |
| 12:08.20 | learner | pixels are for kids |
| 12:08.28 | learner | :) |
| 12:08.38 | scanline | but triangles...? |
| 12:09.33 | scanline | oh right... |
| 12:09.34 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/flag_wireframe.png |
| 12:09.35 | learner | It'd be interesting at least academically to compute time performance of just the vertice generation |
| 12:09.39 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@ACA9848E.ipt.aol.com) |
| 12:09.47 | learner | g'mornin |
| 12:09.49 | learner | :) |
| 12:09.55 | scanline | hi Chikorita |
| 12:09.56 | Chikorita | learnerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 12:10.01 | Chikorita | :) |
| 12:10.04 | learner | I see you've been having fun :) |
| 12:10.07 | Chikorita | hiya scanny |
| 12:10.12 | Chikorita | heehe ya |
| 12:10.30 | Chikorita | u kno wut |
| 12:10.31 | scanline | Chikorita: http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/flag.avi |
| 12:10.36 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 12:13.27 | Chikorita | display da windowsXP desktop theme ;) |
| 12:13.38 | Chikorita | dats a pretty outside scene |
| 12:13.44 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 12:13.50 | dougAtWork | scanline: wow, pretty impressive for python |
| 12:14.29 | scanline | indeed |
| 12:15.07 | dougAtWork | hah, its allready installed |
| 12:15.17 | dougAtWork | does it need anything extra to do the 3d stuff? |
| 12:15.23 | dougAtWork | or will it work on a default install? |
| 12:15.28 | scanline | yes, there are a couple modules it needs |
| 12:15.32 | dougAtWork | ah |
| 12:15.38 | scanline | pygame, PyOpenGL, and PIL I believe.. the REAMDE covers that |
| 12:15.39 | dougAtWork | do you have a gzip of it? |
| 12:15.47 | scanline | go read the readme |
| 12:15.50 | scanline | I need to get ready for work |
| 12:15.53 | dougAtWork | of the current? I dont have ssh access |
| 12:15.55 | dougAtWork | ooh, work :P |
| 12:15.55 | scanline | oh |
| 12:15.58 | scanline | it's in sfsnap |
| 12:16.01 | dougAtWork | ah, ok |
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| 12:36.58 | learner | I'll probably be online from the conference from time to time |
| 12:38.58 | dougAtWork | conferece? |
| 12:39.07 | learner | eek |
| 12:39.07 | Chikorita | bye L |
| 12:39.08 | learner | heh |
| 12:39.24 | learner | wrong channel doug, but yea conference :) |
| 12:39.41 | dougAtWork | what conference?!?! |
| 12:39.41 | dougAtWork | :P |
| 12:39.44 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 12:39.47 | learner | hehe |
| 12:39.50 | learner | Siggraph |
| 12:39.52 | dougAtWork | ah |
| 12:40.02 | scanline | argh! |
| 12:40.08 | scanline | you went to siggraph and didn't take me with you? |
| 12:40.15 | learner | it's next week ;) |
| 12:40.16 | Chikorita | lol |
| 12:40.27 | scanline | :) |
| 12:40.31 | learner | I leave tomorrow |
| 12:40.37 | Chikorita | conferences r alot of fun |
| 12:40.48 | Chikorita | u alwayz come back wif a big bag of goodies |
| 12:40.54 | learner | Siggraph is .. "special" -- big fun :) |
| 12:41.25 | dougAtWork | :P |
| 12:41.30 | Chikorita | i got a lotus notes t-shirt at an puter conference itz 1 of mah fav t-shirtz cuz itz a pretty yello |
| 12:41.39 | scanline | hehe |
| 12:41.39 | Chikorita | :) |
| 12:41.54 | learner | siggraph is easy to justify -- lots of great papers and courses |
| 12:42.02 | dougAtWork | lotus notes... isnt that some sort of software from a few years back? :) |
| 12:42.11 | dougAtWork | scanline: ye gods! I want one! |
| 12:42.12 | learner | doug lol |
| 12:42.13 | Chikorita | lol scanny aww |
| 12:42.25 | scanline | dougAtWork: I got it from copyleft |
| 12:42.33 | scanline | this was a few years back |
| 12:42.35 | Chikorita | ya it was a awhile ago |
| 12:42.51 | dougAtWork | I also read the whole UF archives :) |
| 12:43.49 | Chikorita | last conference i went to was for library infotechnology an dats where i got mah first free drink of chai latte an now dats da only thing i drink wen i go 2 starbux |
| 12:44.23 | Chikorita | conferences r like technology carnivals heehe |
| 12:44.48 | Chikorita | i luv carnivals (buh da carnys dey r skeery peeps) |
| 12:47.03 | scanline | well, time to leave |
| 12:47.07 | scanline | see you folks later |
| 12:47.12 | Chikorita | da neatest freebie i got from a conference was dis lazer pointer an cd storage box dat i stil use |
| 12:47.15 | dougAtWork | cyaz |
| 12:47.16 | Chikorita | nbye scan |
| 12:48.22 | Chikorita | okies wel i betta go 2 ...b back in a lil bit |
| 12:48.43 | dougAtWork | heh |
| 12:58.54 | dougAtWork | well, what do ya know, someone changed the passwords on all the firewalls, and didnt tell no one... |
| 13:17.40 | *** join/#bzflag learnerAtWork (sean@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net) |
| 13:28.56 | learnerAtWork | who is "subcommander t'bag"? |
| 13:29.06 | dougAtWork | haha |
| 13:29.15 | dougAtWork | hes a funny dood |
| 13:29.21 | learnerAtWork | I've saw that handle for the first time last night |
| 13:29.32 | learnerAtWork | new player? |
| 13:29.39 | learnerAtWork | relatively, that is |
| 13:29.46 | dougAtWork | I havnt the faintest idea |
| 13:29.53 | [dmp] | think its booger |
| 13:30.04 | [dmp] | got a few "pig"-comments from it. |
| 13:30.06 | learnerAtWork | ah |
| 13:30.17 | learnerAtWork | yes, I got a piggy comment from him yesterday too |
| 13:30.38 | [dmp] | some day, somebody need to ban me or him. :-| |
| 13:30.58 | learnerAtWork | heh, you? |
| 13:31.30 | [dmp] | yup, otherwise i'll ban him :) |
| 13:31.38 | learnerAtWork | ah :) |
| 13:31.46 | dougAtWork | hmm, it seems sussudio's pig thing is propogating |
| 13:32.05 | learnerAtWork | I actually figured it might have been sussudio |
| 13:32.14 | learnerAtWork | haven't seen sussudio playing in a while |
| 13:32.34 | learnerAtWork | figured after the message board bashing, he might have changed his nick |
| 13:32.52 | dougAtWork | he changes names like michale jordan changes faces |
| 13:33.37 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 13:33.38 | MichaelJordan | heh |
| 13:34.02 | [dmp] | its just a "bit" annoying. He joins. Call people names. and then bitch about lag/old-version/cheaters if he dosnt perform very well and quit. |
| 13:34.13 | dougchecka | yes he does |
| 13:34.24 | dougchecka | musical nicks |
| 13:34.32 | laernerAtWork | I agree, I should like to bash him with a centris 610 |
| 13:34.48 | learnerAtWork | a complainer |
| 13:35.16 | {dmp} | yea! |
| 13:35.17 | [dmp] | hmm |
| 13:35.25 | [dmp] | you disappeared from xchat nicklist :-) |
| 13:35.30 | {dmp} | haha |
| 13:35.35 | learnerAtWork | ha! |
| 13:35.52 | sussud1o | PIG DONKEY! |
| 13:35.52 | learnerAtWork | pig |
| 13:35.57 | sussud1o | cheater |
| 13:36.06 | learnerAtWork | lag pig |
| 13:36.08 | sussud1o | older version lagger cheater |
| 13:36.14 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 13:36.29 | learnerAtWork | to each their own, I guess |
| 13:36.31 | [dmp] | CLIENTQUERY && /quit cheater |
| 13:36.37 | bzadmin | hehehe |
| 13:36.54 | [dmp] | hmm |
| 13:36.59 | [dmp] | this is odd. |
| 13:37.25 | [dmp] | "--- You are now known as IAmOdd" |
| 13:37.30 | learnerAtWork | if/when I get friend-lists working, it should minimize the private insult chatter |
| 13:37.31 | [dmp] | think xchat is confused :) |
| 13:37.44 | [dmp] | or i am. |
| 13:38.08 | IAmOdd | hehe |
| 13:38.19 | [dmp] | <learnerAtWork> if/when I get friend-lists working, it should minimize the private insult chatter |
| 13:38.19 | [dmp] | <IAmOdd> think xchat is confused :) |
| 13:38.19 | [dmp] | <IAmOdd> or i am. |
| 13:38.19 | [dmp] | <IAmOdd> hehe |
| 13:38.30 | [dmp] | I write as IAmOdd :-) |
| 13:38.37 | [dmp] | stop changing me nick :) |
| 13:38.43 | [dmp] | my even |
| 13:41.49 | [dmp] | ARGH i need to restart xchat now :) |
| 13:41.56 | learnerAtWork | haha |
| 13:42.04 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (~dennis@3E6B486F.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 13:42.10 | [dmp] | ah, better. |
| 13:42.14 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 13:43.01 | {dmp} | ha! :) |
| 13:43.32 | learnerAtWork | shall I try? :) |
| 13:43.32 | Chestal | tag |
| 13:43.47 | [dmp] | sure :) |
| 13:44.00 | {dmp} | hello :) |
| 13:44.08 | Chestal | hi [dmp], could you add Quol's server(s) to your ladder? |
| 13:44.12 | [dmp] | learnerAtWork disappeared (no {dmp}) |
| 13:44.19 | [dmp] | sure |
| 13:44.21 | {dmp} | hehe, xchat bug |
| 13:44.33 | [dmp] | "--- You are now known as learnerAtWork" |
| 13:44.36 | [dmp] | :-) |
| 13:45.02 | learnerAtWork | heh, xchat bug |
| 13:47.11 | [dmp] | actually i was getting worried that some script actually was changing my nick :) |
| 13:48.28 | learnerAtWork | where'd doug go? |
| 13:53.50 | [IamOdd] | I was back in the srrvr room |
| 13:55.22 | ext-2105 | hah, you have to call the phone number too |
| 13:55.37 | ext-2105 | where do you work learnerAtWork? |
| 13:55.47 | learnerAtWork | no I don't.. :) |
| 13:55.50 | ext-2105 | ah |
| 13:55.52 | ext-2105 | same here |
| 13:56.04 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (~dennis@3E6B486F.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 13:56.05 | ext-2105 | hahhaahhahahahahah |
| 13:56.07 | learnerAtWork | I got some guy named francisco or something -- hard to understand him :) |
| 13:56.13 | [dmp] | ~quol |
| 13:56.14 | | quol is probably seneir system administrator here, so am pretty much responsible for all new deployments and network configuration etc...keep me busy and learning.... |
| 13:56.26 | learnerAtWork | that needs to be "fixed" :) |
| 13:56.40 | learnerAtWork | quol is no longer quol |
| 13:56.44 | dougAtWork | whos quol? |
| 13:56.51 | learnerAtWork | quol |
| 13:57.04 | dougAtWork | quol == learnerAtWork? |
| 13:57.10 | learnerAtWork | heh, no |
| 13:57.12 | dougAtWork | oh |
| 13:57.21 | [dmp] | a server admin. Got some servers somewhere.. Need to find them :) |
| 13:57.40 | dougAtWork | ah, disconnected |
| 13:57.51 | learnerAtWork | unlisted |
| 13:57.54 | dougAtWork | ah |
| 13:58.56 | learnerAtWork | hrm.. bzfls doesn't respond for me |
| 13:59.20 | learnerAtWork | ah.. what's the list server url? |
| 13:59.27 | dougAtWork | for learner :P |
| 13:59.33 | dougAtWork | ahah, 10:00 |
| 14:00.05 | dougAtWork | 1 hour of work done so far, and I got here at 7:00 |
| 14:00.18 | learnerAtWork | actually, my phone number is out there -- it's findable |
| 14:00.23 | dougAtWork | oh? |
| 14:00.33 | dougAtWork | under what name? :P |
| 14:00.33 | learnerAtWork | but I'm not tellin' :) |
| 14:02.27 | dougAtWork | hint, my work is called infinite* :) |
| 14:05.20 | learnerAtWork | hrm |
| 14:05.24 | learnerAtWork | I seem to have lied :) |
| 14:05.40 | learnerAtWork | The two places I thought had my number do not have it |
| 14:05.45 | dougAtWork | haha |
| 14:06.00 | learnerAtWork | I forgot I zero'd it out |
| 14:07.12 | [dmp] | Chestal: quol:8081/8083/8085 added to ladder |
| 14:07.15 | dougAtWork | hmm, we have nice speakerphones here... :) it doesnt cut out when it hears noise |
| 14:08.12 | learnerAtWork | dmp, it's not on the list.. |
| 14:09.02 | Chestal | oh, didn't know there are 3 of them |
| 14:09.23 | [dmp] | I know, buts its just added. the scripts havnt been executed yet. it will appear later today. |
| 14:09.26 | learnerAtWork | what's the server ip addy for quol |
| 14:09.42 | [dmp] | quol.bzflag.org has address 65.39.216.149 |
| 14:10.12 | learnerAtWork | ~quol_AtWork is seneir system administrator here, so am pretty much responsible for all new deployments and network configuration etc...keep me busy and learning.... |
| 14:10.12 | | learnerAtWork: okay |
| 14:11.06 | learnerAtWork | ~quol is <reply> see bzfquery 65.39.216.149:8081 |
| 14:11.07 | | ...but quol is already something else... |
| 14:11.13 | dougAtWork | ~learnerAtwork |
| 14:11.13 | learnerAtWork | ~ibot, no quol is <reply> see bzfquery 65.39.216.149:8081 |
| 14:11.14 | | learnerAtWork: okay |
| 14:11.22 | learnerAtWork | ~quol |
| 14:11.38 | learnerAtWork | is 8081 the ctf field? |
| 14:11.51 | [dmp] | 8083 |
| 14:11.54 | learnerAtWork | damn |
| 14:11.58 | learnerAtWork | ~ibot, no quol is <reply> see bzfquery 65.39.216.149:8083 |
| 14:11.59 | | okay, learnerAtWork |
| 14:12.45 | [dmp] | ibot, quol5 is <reply> see bzfquery 65.39.216.149:8085 |
| 14:12.46 | | okay, [dmp] |
| 14:13.18 | [dmp] | ~quol5 |
| 14:13.40 | [dmp] | ibot, no quol5 is <reply> see bzfquery quol.bzflag.org:8085 |
| 14:13.40 | | okay, [dmp] |
| 14:14.56 | learnerAtWork | I like seeing the public changes in the main channel so I know what identifiers are what.. :) |
| 14:15.20 | learnerAtWork | at least when they are defined |
| 14:15.26 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchunks_ (~frobozz@64-252-120-21.adsl.snet.net) |
| 14:15.29 | [dmp] | turkey.moongroup.com:7500 is dead for good? |
| 14:18.34 | [dmp] | ladder-database: 21 table(s). Sum 4,741,769 rows, 392.1 MB :-) |
| 14:19.35 | dougAtWork | wow |
| 14:19.36 | [dmp] | 27,959 unique callsigns. |
| 14:19.40 | dougAtWork | lol |
| 14:19.49 | learnerAtWork | cool |
| 14:20.01 | learnerAtWork | what's the db, dmp? |
| 14:20.08 | [dmp] | mysql |
| 14:21.20 | [dmp] | Bandaid have been seen with kill-ratio: 56:1 |
| 14:21.46 | [dmp] | most people in my kill-ratio-top is numberguys :-| |
| 14:22.14 | learnerAtWork | numberguys? who/what's that? |
| 14:22.22 | dougAtWork | cheaters |
| 14:22.25 | [dmp] | normally cheaters |
| 14:22.37 | learnerAtWork | ah |
| 14:22.57 | [dmp] | "objectionable name" got 1:512 .. :-) |
| 14:23.07 | learnerAtWork | I played a handful of cheaters last night .. they were all subtle ones |
| 14:23.25 | learnerAtWork | can't wait till 1.9 gets out so everyone has to at least rebuild the cheat clients.. :/ |
| 14:25.11 | [dmp] | [dmp] 3:1 .. woah :) i rock :) |
| 14:25.25 | [dmp] | and 1:5 too. :) |
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| 14:25.45 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 14:27.00 | learnerAtWork | dmp: where are those ratios |
| 14:27.34 | [dmp] | in the database. I dont display them, because alot of them are numbersguys. |
| 14:27.43 | learnerAtWork | ah |
| 14:29.19 | learnerAtWork | eek... |
| 14:29.49 | dougAtWork | PEBKAC! |
| 14:29.50 | dougAtWork | er |
| 14:30.19 | dougAtWork | :) |
| 14:30.27 | learnerAtWork | my score dropped by over 40 points last night |
| 14:30.40 | dougAtWork | haha |
| 14:30.49 | captain_proton | http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductDisplay?storeId=8000&catalogId=40000008000&productId=47643635&parent_category_rn=4500495 |
| 14:30.57 | dougAtWork | yehaw, talked another person through a tightvnc install |
| 14:32.12 | [dmp] | learnerAtWork: http://ladder.bzflag.org/new/ratiox1.php |
| 14:32.35 | [dmp] | thats top 100. |
| 14:32.46 | dougAtWork | woo, I am on there as Ailton |
| 14:32.49 | learnerAtWork | go cap :) |
| 14:33.50 | learnerAtWork | hrm.. |
| 14:34.21 | learnerAtWork | I dropped 40 points, yet I was the top scorer for over an hour -- may horrible teammates dragged me down :) |
| 14:34.22 | [dmp] | people who should consider anohter game: (:)) http://ladder.bzflag.org/new/ratio1x.php |
| 14:34.27 | dougAtWork | </sarcasim></joke> |
| 14:34.29 | dougAtWork | :) |
| 14:34.41 | learnerAtWork | lol, dmp |
| 14:35.12 | dougAtWork | wow, way cool |
| 14:35.21 | dougAtWork | a firewall that rejects pings from INSIDE the network |
| 14:35.22 | learnerAtWork | hrm.. so your team has to do well for you to do well on the ladder? |
| 14:35.38 | learnerAtWork | besides captures, that is |
| 14:35.57 | [dmp] | learnerAtWork: only captures is considered. nothing else matters on ctf-ladders |
| 14:37.07 | learnerAtWork | problem is TeamAScore was negative (though I was +50) |
| 14:37.39 | learnerAtWork | and teamB was positive |
| 14:37.54 | learnerAtWork | so my team scoring hurt my ratio |
| 14:38.12 | [dmp] | it dosnt change much. it only uses teamscore to detect if a team have done a capture. so if teama got -30 and captures, its handled the same as if you got +100. |
| 14:38.56 | [dmp] | you need to remember, that the points you gain by playing expires after 3 months. |
| 14:39.11 | learnerAtWork | hrm.. |
| 14:39.28 | learnerAtWork | that may be what's kicking in, then |
| 14:39.52 | learnerAtWork | maybe lost a lot of points I earned months ago? |
| 14:40.12 | [dmp] | could be. |
| 14:40.36 | learnerAtWork | right, that's what's happened to me more or less, I'm in the hudreds when I easily outperform most of the top 25 |
| 14:41.09 | [dmp] | highscore seen: old 1462:603 .. darn :) |
| 14:41.31 | [dmp] | perhaps i should stop expiring data and then just remove people after 3 months of inactivity. |
| 14:41.39 | [dmp] | that would be easier for people to understand their score. |
| 14:42.27 | [dmp] | you arnet the first to ask about the "strange" movements of the scores |
| 14:42.44 | learnerAtWork | jb was asking about them as well |
| 14:42.58 | [dmp] | actually some people outta gain points sometimes, but nobody ever ask about that :) |
| 14:42.58 | learnerAtWork | he finds it rather humorous that he passed me up a couple days ago :) |
| 14:43.17 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 14:44.02 | [dmp] | is it realistic that a cheater can score 1462 points without getting kicked? |
| 14:44.36 | learnerAtWork | if I truely understood how the points were awarded I could probably answer |
| 14:44.38 | learnerAtWork | but I don't |
| 14:44.54 | [dmp] | normalt points in bzflag (forget ladder for now :)) |
| 14:45.04 | learnerAtWork | ah heh |
| 14:45.26 | learnerAtWork | you don't have to be a cheater to go that high using bots and your own public server |
| 14:45.33 | learnerAtWork | just really bored |
| 14:45.59 | learnerAtWork | but for ladder tracked servers, I'd seriously doubt it |
| 14:46.05 | [dmp] | on stats.bzflag.org highscore says: 1112 for spiff. I fould olf with 1462.. might make spiff sad :) |
| 14:46.37 | learnerAtWork | maybe |
| 14:46.49 | [dmp] | its from bzflag.closedprojects.net:18200 at 2003-04-06 03:21:25 :-) |
| 14:46.50 | learnerAtWork | a good gm'er going for a few hours could probably do it |
| 14:47.04 | [dmp] | sounds boring :) |
| 14:47.12 | learnerAtWork | incredibly boring |
| 14:49.10 | [dmp] | i cant calc. 1462-603 isnt higher than 112 .. doh |
| 14:49.18 | [dmp] | arghg 1112 :) |
| 14:51.03 | Chestal | [dmp]: sussi's score seems to be more plausible again, he actually was <0 at some time (ducati ctf) |
| 14:51.18 | captain_proton | Chestal speaks! |
| 14:51.38 | Chestal | dmp: how many captures do you require before someoen shows up in the list? |
| 14:51.50 | Chestal | proton: yep, I can also sing if you like |
| 14:51.55 | captain_proton | ooooh |
| 14:53.36 | [dmp] | Chestal: captures dosnt matter. if the ladder sees you 20 times, you are added as a 1200-score player. |
| 14:53.57 | [dmp] | ..within the last 2 months. |
| 14:54.51 | Chestal | dmp: ah, I wonder whether that limit should be increased, woudl at least make sense for the more busy servers IMHO |
| 14:56.51 | captain_proton | wow, its amazing |
| 14:56.56 | [dmp] | what about the "general" ctf ladder (including all ctf servers) |
| 14:56.59 | captain_proton | i had completely forgotten how damn good portal theory is |
| 14:58.27 | Chestal | dmp: I never look at sort, it's too distorted by xmission :-) |
| 14:59.05 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 14:59.10 | [dmp] | true. |
| 14:59.31 | [dmp] | perhaps i should make a ctf-xmission and ctf-ducati-style type of lists. |
| 14:59.57 | Chestal | maybe, but would I don't see the need now,maybe when the ducati clones get frequented more |
| 15:02.24 | [dmp] | Yeah. And I dont really have the time to change anything right now. Would like to fix this duration ladder someday. |
| 15:03.35 | Chestal | any idea what is wrogn with the duration? |
| 15:03.45 | *** join/#bzflag [T|T] (~[TeA|TrEE@pD9E95944.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:04.18 | [dmp] | learnerAtWork: if you want to check, if you score changes is caused by expired data, i got a logfile for you: 846.395.456 Jul 25 00:01 cleanup.log :) |
| 15:04.35 | [dmp] | Chestal: nope, not at all. |
| 15:05.33 | captain_proton | hmm, odd |
| 15:05.42 | captain_proton | i see two copies of "{dmp}" in my user list |
| 15:05.59 | [dmp] | you use xchat? |
| 15:06.54 | learnerAtWork | lol |
| 15:07.31 | captain_proton | [dmp]: yeah |
| 15:07.39 | captain_proton | seems to be a bug |
| 15:08.43 | [dmp] | captain_proton: when somebody /nick {dmp} he disappears from my nicklist. if he then changes into something else, my xchat think i did it, and prefixes my text with the new nick of {dmp} |
| 15:09.05 | captain_proton | i think it doesn't handle {}'s correctly |
| 15:09.53 | dougAtWork | what did it do? |
| 15:10.13 | [dmp] | dougAtWork: you disappeared as {..} and came back. |
| 15:10.23 | dougAtWork | huh |
| 15:10.28 | dougAtWork | I use xchat |
| 15:10.34 | dougAtWork | I dont see anything wrong |
| 15:10.43 | captain_proton | dougAtWork: try that again? |
| 15:10.57 | [dmp] | dougAtWork: try to call yourself [doug] |
| 15:11.10 | [doug] | hm |
| 15:11.11 | captain_proton | eek |
| 15:11.12 | [dmp] | <captain_proton> dougAtWork: try that again? |
| 15:11.12 | [dmp] | --- dougAtWork is now known as {dmp} |
| 15:11.13 | [dmp] | <[dmp]> dougAtWork: try to call yourself [doug] |
| 15:11.13 | [dmp] | --- You are now known as [doug] |
| 15:11.15 | [dmp] | *sigh* |
| 15:11.18 | captain_proton | now i have a third {dmp} in my user list |
| 15:11.23 | [doug] | wow |
| 15:11.35 | [dmp] | and my name is [dougt] .. no, dougatwork :) |
| 15:11.38 | dougAtWork | lol |
| 15:11.48 | [dmp] | --- You are now known as dougAtWork |
| 15:11.48 | [dmp] | <dougAtWork> and my name is [dougt] .. no, dougatwork :) |
| 15:11.48 | [dmp] | <dougAtWork> lol |
| 15:11.53 | [dmp] | better restart .. again :) |
| 15:12.08 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (~dennis@3E6B486F.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 15:12.09 | dougAtWork | xchat 1.8.11, whats yours? |
| 15:12.19 | [dmp] | 2.0.2 |
| 15:12.22 | captain_proton | 2.0.3 here |
| 15:12.23 | dougAtWork | huh |
| 15:12.30 | dougAtWork | must be a new version bug |
| 15:12.48 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 15:12.56 | captain_proton | 2.0 is pretty much a complete rewrite of the frontend |
| 15:14.03 | dougAtWork | ah |
| 15:14.15 | captain_proton | and a good portion of the backend, iirc |
| 15:14.36 | dougAtWork | #xchat :) |
| 15:14.53 | *** join/#bzflag Mayhem_ (~Mayhem@dsl-217-155-141-174.zen.co.uk) |
| 15:20.30 | dougAtWork | dont you mean [dougt] used a sf bug-report? :) |
| 15:21.41 | dougAtWork | does bzflag support accented carracters and stuff like that? |
| 15:22.34 | [dmp] | no |
| 15:23.08 | [dmp] | not that i write much danish in bzflag :) |
| 15:24.55 | dougAtWork | hmm... |
| 15:25.24 | captain_proton | DO IT! |
| 15:25.26 | captain_proton | *ahem* |
| 15:25.48 | dougAtWork | hm, nah, I will swap with the 2000/2003 server :) |
| 15:26.07 | Nidhoggr | grrr... it's annoying when newbs set up their linux boxes with my domain name, and their crons mail me error reports at root@dragon.org |
| 15:26.33 | dougAtWork | why your domain name? |
| 15:27.28 | Nidhoggr | it's very popular in some asian countries. |
| 15:27.30 | dougAtWork | ah |
| 15:27.39 | dougAtWork | then delete the root account |
| 15:27.40 | dougAtWork | er |
| 15:27.41 | dougAtWork | something |
| 15:27.51 | Nidhoggr | that would be stupid. |
| 15:28.04 | captain_proton | Nidhoggr: just filter out all of root's non-local mail ;) |
| 15:28.17 | Nidhoggr | it's tempting. :) |
| 15:28.53 | dougAtWork | hows Nidhoggr's eyes doing? |
| 15:29.20 | Nidhoggr | well, it's quite a story. I've been out of work for 4 weeks now. |
| 15:29.35 | Nidhoggr | and they even terminated me (saying that when I am better I can probably come back) |
| 15:29.42 | dougAtWork | wow, why? |
| 15:29.55 | Nidhoggr | I had a rare complication that only about 1 in 5000 people get. |
| 15:29.59 | dougAtWork | oh? |
| 15:30.04 | Nidhoggr | I am almost blind in my right eye. |
| 15:30.09 | Nidhoggr | it's getting better, though. |
| 15:30.11 | dougAtWork | ick |
| 15:30.14 | Nidhoggr | another few weeks, probably. |
| 15:30.26 | Nidhoggr | my left eye was bad, too, but it's improved quite a bit. |
| 15:30.53 | Nidhoggr | they said mine is the worse case they've ever seen. |
| 15:30.54 | dougAtWork | interesting |
| 15:31.12 | Nidhoggr | but it pretty much always clears up with meds. |
| 15:31.25 | dougAtWork | ah |
| 15:31.26 | Nidhoggr | I am taking powerful optical steroid drops every hour. |
| 15:32.38 | Nidhoggr | I also had a drug reaction the first week or so. |
| 15:32.45 | Nidhoggr | which compounded the problems. |
| 15:32.51 | Nidhoggr | made it harder to diagnose. |
| 15:33.47 | TimRiker | so anyone working on interlace and color stereo yet? |
| 15:34.35 | Nidhoggr | color stereo? like with 3d glasses or something? |
| 15:34.49 | Mayhem_ | just curious, you guys know about http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cvstarballs/bzflag-cvsroot.tar.gz |
| 15:35.40 | dougAtWork | Nidhoggr: in python |
| 15:36.03 | Nidhoggr | how is the python client? is it actually working? |
| 15:36.23 | Mayhem | ^^^ gives you the cvsroot |
| 15:37.06 | dougAtWork | dunno |
| 15:37.16 | dougAtWork | I cant find the required files easily |
| 15:37.39 | captain_proton | Nidhoggr: its not playable |
| 15:37.48 | captain_proton | TimRiker: i' |
| 15:37.51 | captain_proton | ve been pondering it |
| 15:38.06 | captain_proton | i'll probably do interlace in the python code first, just because its easier |
| 15:38.19 | Nidhoggr | I'm probably at least a week from playing any bzflag anyway. :) |
| 15:38.58 | *** join/#bzflag patlabor221 (~jeffm@208.48.199.214) |
| 15:38.58 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 15:39.09 | dougAtWork | hey patlabor221 |
| 15:39.50 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 15:40.18 | Nidhoggr | hi pl221 |
| 15:41.16 | dougAtWork | Nidhoggr: that doesnt sound out right in l33t talk :) |
| 15:41.16 | Nidhoggr | gotta get back to resting my eyes. later. :) |
| 15:41.17 | Mayhem | ~dict anaglyph |
| 15:41.28 | dougAtWork | cya |
| 15:43.06 | captain_proton | ok, i head in to work now |
| 15:47.54 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (~Chikumz33@205.197.171.225) |
| 15:48.15 | Chikorita | pooP |
| 15:48.17 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 15:48.58 | Chikorita | ~Chikorita |
| 15:48.59 | | Chikorita iz kewl |
| 15:49.05 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 15:49.37 | Chikorita | lalalalalala |
| 15:49.38 | Chikorita | la |
| 15:50.22 | Chikorita | ~learner |
| 15:50.23 | | extra, extra, read all about it, learner is your friend |
| 15:50.28 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 15:50.32 | patlabor221 | having fun wiht ibot I see |
| 15:50.34 | TimRiker | captain_proton: cool. anaglyph is done in python, yes? |
| 15:50.42 | Chikorita | uh huh :) |
| 15:50.54 | Chikorita | o hi tim |
| 15:50.57 | patlabor221 | tim , he went to work, and I think he has something done for ana |
| 15:51.23 | TimRiker | k |
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| 15:52.43 | Chikorita | ~Mayhem |
| 15:53.00 | Chikorita | aww |
| 15:53.13 | Chikorita | ibot duznt kno mee teamy Mayhem? |
| 15:53.14 | | Chikorita: i don't know |
| 15:53.20 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 15:53.22 | Chikorita | hehee |
| 15:53.25 | patlabor221 | ibot only knows what you tell it. |
| 15:53.26 | | i don't know, patlabor221 |
| 15:53.30 | Chikorita | he iz a nice guy 2 |
| 15:53.37 | patlabor221 | ibot is female |
| 15:53.38 | | patlabor221: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:53.41 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 15:53.57 | Chikorita | *she |
| 15:54.39 | bryjen | ~ibot |
| 15:54.40 | | somebody said ibot was a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 15:57.25 | Chikorita | i have a talking pikachu plushie |
| 15:57.46 | Chikorita | wen u pinch his cheeks he giggles |
| 15:58.00 | Chikorita | an he laffs like 20 different ways |
| 15:58.26 | Chikorita | if u leave him alone he starts to cry |
| 15:58.32 | Chikorita | :P |
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| 16:01.48 | wallydog | dooo bee doo |
| 16:02.15 | Mayhem | shooo wap shooo waaah |
| 16:03.15 | wallydog | bow biddy bow, dang da ding dong, do beeee doo do do, bluuuuuuueeee moooooon :) |
| 16:03.38 | dougAtWork | hey fiberchunks |
| 16:03.44 | wallydog | hello |
| 16:05.51 | bryjen | ~dict symposium |
| 16:07.22 | dougAtWork | well thats cool, mozilla crashes on googles "view as html" |
| 16:08.30 | bryjen | I like webster's etymology: Symposium: Gr. sympo`sion a drinking party, feast |
| 16:09.18 | dougAtWork | lol |
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| 16:32.31 | Chikorita | :( |
| 16:32.49 | Chikorita | stupid cheaters i swear ... |
| 16:34.04 | bryjen | don't swear. its not nice ;) |
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| 16:35.19 | learnerAtWork | :/ |
| 16:35.48 | Mayhem | Hi Chiko! |
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| 16:58.03 | prot-work | yay i'm here |
| 16:58.40 | patlabor221 | that took a while |
| 16:58.47 | prot-work | had a conference call |
| 17:01.07 | prot-work | ooh! the cable arrived |
| 17:02.05 | dougAtWork | "THE" cable... :) |
| 17:02.25 | prot-work | 50ft vga cable =) |
| 17:02.29 | dougAtWork | wow |
| 17:02.33 | dougAtWork | can vga go that far? |
| 17:02.43 | prot-work | with the right cable |
| 17:02.46 | prot-work | like this one =) |
| 17:02.57 | dougAtWork | ah, cool |
| 17:03.04 | prot-work | uses coax for the R, G & B signals, and twisted pairs for everything else |
| 17:03.20 | dougAtWork | interesting |
| 17:03.45 | prot-work | kvm's suck |
| 17:03.55 | dougAtWork | why? |
| 17:04.18 | dougAtWork | its for a server room, I dont see having 8 monitors and keyboards all over the place |
| 17:04.38 | prot-work | serial consoles are better |
| 17:04.43 | prot-work | kvms have tendencies to mess up things |
| 17:04.55 | prot-work | we've got a kvm extender here where the passthrough doesn't allow key chording |
| 17:05.08 | prot-work | and using unix without a control key is difficult |
| 17:05.28 | dougAtWork | ah, thats true |
| 17:05.44 | dougAtWork | we have a novell box running the voice mail system, and it didnt like the kvm at all |
| 17:06.31 | prot-work | people still use novell? |
| 17:06.46 | dougAtWork | yea, unfortualy |
| 17:06.51 | prot-work | i thought it had been banned |
| 17:07.06 | dougAtWork | hah, at least my boss is interested in linux |
| 17:07.08 | bryjen | We're happy with our kvm switch for our 'doze servers. Not extended in any way other than the 15 foot integrated vga+2ps2 cables |
| 17:07.41 | dougAtWork | bryjen: nice, we have wire tied 15 foot vga and ps/2 cables :) |
| 17:08.30 | bryjen | They are for this switch box. DB25 on the switchbox end and a db15 vga and 2 ps2 on the other. |
| 17:08.40 | dougAtWork | cool |
| 17:08.52 | dougAtWork | problem is if you need to add another server, you need this special cable |
| 17:09.05 | prot-work | this cable weighs about 15 pounds =) |
| 17:09.12 | dougAtWork | or as my co-worker calls them, srrvrs |
| 17:09.27 | dougAtWork | wow, thats alot of cabling :) |
| 17:09.59 | bryjen | we bought a full set of 16 along with the 16 port switch. adds to the $$. |
| 17:10.02 | prot-work | er |
| 17:10.06 | prot-work | i guess technically its 5 lbs |
| 17:10.36 | dougAtWork | but the computer company said it was 15? :) |
| 17:10.41 | prot-work | no |
| 17:10.45 | bryjen | 10lb gold connectors? |
| 17:10.50 | dougAtWork | bryjen: I bet :) |
| 17:10.51 | prot-work | that was my completely unbased estimate |
| 17:10.54 | dougAtWork | ah |
| 17:11.36 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.56 | prot-work | bryjen: the word is tar ;) |
| 17:12.04 | prot-work | err |
| 17:12.05 | prot-work | tare |
| 17:12.46 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.13 | prot-work | sheesh |
| 17:13.17 | prot-work | 50ft is a long freaking cable |
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| 17:19.20 | Michaelh | . |
| 17:21.47 | prot-work | sweet |
| 17:22.04 | prot-work | the picture is super clean |
| 17:22.55 | Michaelh | what is that? |
| 17:23.13 | prot-work | this new vga cable |
| 17:23.20 | Michaelh | woohoo |
| 17:24.35 | scanline | hooray for conclusive tests |
| 17:24.58 | prot-work | scanline: hooray! |
| 17:25.15 | scanline | see the movie recorder progress? :) |
| 17:25.27 | scanline | it still writes partial jpeg frames sometimes, but I managed to get it to record the flag simulator |
| 17:25.46 | scanline | it uses PIL's jpeg encoder though, which isn't that speedy |
| 17:25.47 | Michaelh | So it actually records the entire drawn scene? |
| 17:26.02 | scanline | yes, gives you a file that can be converted to an avi |
| 17:26.04 | Michaelh | pixel by pixel? |
| 17:26.21 | Michaelh | I was thinking more along the lines of recording positions of all the tanks etc.. |
| 17:26.37 | prot-work | sheesh |
| 17:26.42 | prot-work | this cable is like the finglonger |
| 17:26.48 | scanline | thi sisn't for recording replays, it's a generic video recorder |
| 17:26.55 | scanline | hehe |
| 17:26.58 | Michaelh | Pretty easy to do? |
| 17:27.41 | scanline | yeah... I was originally going to use a technique similar to jetstream's video recorder, but that was too slow |
| 17:28.00 | Michaelh | but it is for bzflag, right? |
| 17:28.04 | scanline | so this just records a bunch of jpeg frames to a file and has a postprocessing doodad that pipes them into mencoder |
| 17:28.36 | Michaelh | so it's one of those view doodads so you can record whatever you're looking at? |
| 17:30.29 | scanline | yes |
| 17:30.52 | scanline | it attaches to a Viewport, it's triggered by a key binding in the ThreeDController |
| 17:31.04 | prot-work | scanline: you should see this cable |
| 17:31.06 | prot-work | its magnificent |
| 17:32.03 | scanline | in the middle of a test |
| 17:32.24 | prot-work | i'm not saying right this instant |
| 17:33.03 | dougAtWork | test... on irc? :) |
| 17:33.47 | dougAtWork | whats -zoom do? |
| 17:35.58 | prot-work | try it |
| 17:37.13 | learnerAtWork | lemme guess.. it zooms |
| 17:42.54 | scanline | dougAtWork: test.. on a satellite |
| 17:43.03 | scanline | I just got on IRC while watiting on the other folks for a setup |
| 17:43.40 | dougAtWork | ah |
| 17:43.43 | dougAtWork | interesting |
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| 17:48.10 | dougAtWork | ~secret |
| 17:48.35 | dougAtWork | ~secretplace |
| 17:54.32 | dougAtWork | :B) |
| 17:55.31 | patlabor221 | still dosn't mean you can play games |
| 17:56.51 | dougAtWork | well, any game on a 16 meg matrox card isnt very fun anyway |
| 17:57.15 | patlabor221 | so basicly your an ummotivated slacker? |
| 17:58.49 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 17:58.54 | dougAtWork | not at all :P |
| 17:58.58 | learnerAtWork | phone was busy :) |
| 17:59.09 | dougAtWork | oh sure |
| 17:59.10 | dougAtWork | :P |
| 17:59.16 | patlabor221 | if you wern't you would find something productive to do. |
| 17:59.28 | JBDiGriz | Someone was tying it up trying to dial out! |
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| 18:07.49 | dougAtWork | JBDiGriz: :P |
| 18:12.31 | dougAtWork | actully, I was eating lunch at the time :) |
| 18:36.19 | prot-work | home? at this time of day?: |
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| 19:01.19 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 19:01.25 | Chikorita | wicked fun on ducati |
| 19:01.31 | Chikorita | >:) |
| 19:02.18 | Chikorita | lets all not chat at once shall wee |
| 19:02.24 | Chikorita | *snicka* |
| 19:02.26 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 19:02.49 | Chikorita | k gtg i jus wanted 2 pop in an say hi-bye |
| 19:02.54 | Chikorita | so ... |
| 19:02.55 | Chikorita | hi |
| 19:02.57 | Chikorita | bye |
| 19:07.04 | bryjen | JBDiGriz: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/31980.html how big is your wallet? |
| 19:08.22 | prot-work | yayayay! |
| 19:08.35 | prot-work | ARB_shading_language will exist in gl1.5 =) |
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| 19:40.57 | SGI | hello |
| 19:42.04 | bryjen | hi |
| 19:42.28 | SGI | have you seen Quol |
| 19:42.45 | bryjen | not today |
| 19:42.51 | bryjen | ~seen Quol |
| 19:42.51 | | quol <~quolsimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 16h 14m 57s ago, saying: 'I am off to bed - g'night all'. |
| 19:43.16 | SGI | cool |
| 19:43.52 | SGI | thanks bryjen |
| 19:43.59 | bryjen | your welcome |
| 19:45.40 | JBDiGriz | bryjen: It's not that large! lol |
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| 19:45.52 | bryjen | hehe |
| 19:46.05 | bryjen | paragraph 3 ? |
| 19:46.26 | JBDiGriz | and I was planning on going to the zoo tomorrow. The image is going to stick :-# |
| 19:46.57 | SGI | how you did that command "bryjen" |
| 19:47.25 | bryjen | use the ~ or direct it to ibot |
| 19:47.30 | bryjen | ibot: seen SGI |
| 19:47.30 | | sgi is currently on #bzflag (6m 40s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 33s |
| 19:47.55 | JBDiGriz | SGI: What machine are you using? The tilde doesn't show up well in some fonts |
| 19:48.20 | SGI | volvo |
| 19:48.23 | [dmp] | MAN. Got a spammail which seems to crash opera :-(.. Better find another client then :-( |
| 19:49.13 | bryjen | rancid spam :( |
| 19:49.19 | JBDiGriz | If it's a pop account, use telnet to delete the offending message. |
| 19:50.08 | [dmp] | JBDiGriz: its received. |
| 19:50.19 | [dmp] | dont like that opera crashes because of a stupid mail :( |
| 19:51.09 | JBDiGriz | fetchmail will occasionally crash when fetching a rancid spam. |
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| 19:51.19 | SGI | wow |
| 19:51.28 | JBDiGriz | high fiber! |
| 19:51.33 | SGI | opera crash for an email |
| 19:51.51 | SGI | hi fibeer |
| 19:53.08 | bryjen | We had problems with messages causing Outlook 97 to fail during retrieve (but not crash) and leave the messages from that session on the server, only to have it start all over next time it checked for mail :( |
| 19:54.15 | [dmp] | it "only" crashes when it wants to display the main.. but i cannot deselect it before it crashes.. |
| 19:56.32 | [dmp] | any recommendation for another email client? mutt ? |
| 19:58.07 | JBDiGriz | MacOS X Mail ;{) |
| 19:58.30 | [dmp] | where can i download a "MacOS X" ? :-) |
| 19:58.51 | [dmp] | oh heck with it, i'll use telnet then :) |
| 19:59.27 | JBDiGriz | http://www.darwinfo.org/ for the kernel sources. You're on your own for the rest of the distro! :{) |
| 20:00.39 | JBDiGriz | Emacs is another great email client! :{) |
| 20:01.32 | [dmp] | Im more vim-kinda-guy. Using emacs would mean the same to me, as playing on a 10shots server :) |
| 20:01.56 | bryjen | pine, KMail w/KDE |
| 20:02.16 | SGI | Eudora??? |
| 20:02.46 | [dmp] | Is eudora ported to linux ? |
| 20:03.14 | [dmp] | last i used it, it messed up a folder of mine. Then i changed to becky (windows). Rather like becky mail, but its windows-only :-| |
| 20:03.42 | SGI | I think only mac-win and plam |
| 20:05.26 | SGI | mozilla isnt bad |
| 20:05.34 | bryjen | there's always that big red lizzard |
| 20:05.44 | SGI | :o) |
| 20:06.03 | SGI | but you can change it |
| 20:06.13 | [dmp] | mozilla didnt work.. the froze for some reason. hmm everything i use seems to break.. hmm :) |
| 20:11.34 | JBDiGriz | Have you tried Mail, just to see that the mail file isn't borked? |
| 20:19.56 | SGI | let me try |
| 20:20.09 | SGI | ~seen SGI |
| 20:20.09 | | sgi is currently on #bzflag (39m 19s). Has said a total of 16 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 20:20.23 | SGI | cool remember |
| 20:20.45 | TimRikerOLS | SGI: looking for yourself? |
| 20:20.50 | SGI | it work in every forum |
| 20:21.11 | SGI | sometimes I get lost |
| 20:22.12 | bryjen | TimRiker runs a program that is attached here as ibot. That's what makes it work. |
| 20:22.34 | SGI | Im learning tim |
| 20:23.16 | SGI | because I was looking for a guy in an another forum |
| 20:23.26 | TimRikerOLS | the irc server keeps a list too. ask /whowas <nick> to get that info. |
| 20:23.47 | TimRikerOLS | (or /whois nick if they are online now) |
| 20:24.07 | SGI | athanks |
| 20:24.26 | SGI | you know Im a newbie |
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| 20:32.17 | prot-work | opengl 1.5 is gonna be so cool |
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| 20:32.32 | terryc | Hey |
| 20:32.40 | terryc | Is Noodleman moving right now? |
| 20:33.04 | terryc | Anyone know? |
| 20:36.17 | patlabor221 | I don't think they have bought there house yet |
| 20:43.39 | SGI | my little monster...she's wakeup bye all |
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| 20:48.27 | prot-work | APPRECIATE ME DAMNIT! |
| 20:48.43 | prot-work | =) |
| 20:50.11 | prot-work | learner let the dogs out? |
| 21:02.27 | learner | yup |
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| 21:02.59 | learner | but I'm still not that "man" |
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| 21:36.12 | learner | you in two places at once, pat? :) |
| 21:37.07 | Patlabor221Work | I am the pumpkin king!!!!!! |
| 21:37.41 | Patlabor221Work | you can't |
| 21:37.52 | Patlabor221Work | there is allready a flamethrower in there |
| 21:38.00 | learner | heh |
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| 21:40.45 | bzg | hi j |
| 21:40.52 | learner | hi, jolly :) |
| 21:41.13 | jolly | hey guys :) |
| 21:42.18 | learner | lol |
| 21:42.33 | jolly | :) |
| 21:53.56 | jolly | lol learner :) |
| 21:58.23 | orchid | cu jolly |
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| 22:11.16 | BZSpiff | Hi, room. |
| 22:13.08 | orchid | hello |
| 22:13.33 | BZSpiff | Has Chestal been around? :) |
| 22:14.01 | orchid | not sure |
| 22:14.29 | BZSpiff | Hmm. I was wondering because our Avengers match from yesterday isn't on the League site. Maybe ski forgot to message him. |
| 22:14.45 | orchid | what was the result? |
| 22:14.50 | orchid | i will post it |
| 22:15.08 | BZSpiff | Avengers 2. TAF 7. |
| 22:15.22 | BZSpiff | LoL |
| 22:15.41 | orchid | dmp, you do it :) |
| 22:15.50 | BZSpiff | Thanks.... to whoever wants to do it the most. ;) LoL |
| 22:15.51 | orchid | and wb btw |
| 22:15.55 | [dmp] | nah its okay *sniff* :) |
| 22:16.18 | [dmp] | hmm flying-bug-pets. better close the door. |
| 22:16.30 | BZSpiff | Hmm.... orchid... is that you on ducati? |
| 22:17.18 | BZSpiff | Okay... just makin' sure. :) |
| 22:18.15 | [dmp] | BZSpiff: how long have you been playing on ducati after 18 UTC ? around 45 mins ? |
| 22:18.38 | BZSpiff | Gee.... I don't know. LoL. |
| 22:18.45 | BZSpiff | I lose track of my playing time a lot. |
| 22:19.43 | [dmp] | :) |
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| 22:20.18 | BZSpiff | I would guess that it's been around 45 minutes... maybe an hour or so. |
| 22:21.04 | BZSpiff | I've spent more time observing than playing. |
| 22:21.11 | BZSpiff | Ahhhhh. Cool stuff. |
| 22:21.14 | [dmp] | ah observing is ignored. |
| 22:21.57 | [dmp] | observers is a bug, not a feature :) |
| 22:22.13 | BZSpiff | Yep... so I've probabily had 45 minutes to an hour of actual playing time.. which would be recorded. :) |
| 22:22.26 | BZSpiff | When will "Observer Mode" actually be made into a feature? |
| 22:22.54 | prot-work | it is a feature |
| 22:22.55 | [dmp] | dunno. I only act as BigBrother.. Collecting data :) |
| 22:23.33 | orchid | spiff 3 points out of 1st place |
| 22:23.44 | BZSpiff | Someone said that it was sort of a "spliced in" option. |
| 22:23.52 | BZSpiff | Hehehe.... thanks for entering the results. :) |
| 22:24.13 | BZSpiff | And that's cool. But what comes after that? :( |
| 22:24.42 | orchid | after what? |
| 22:24.44 | orchid | 1st? |
| 22:25.19 | BZSpiff | Yeah. :( |
| 22:25.28 | BZSpiff | That's sort of the end of the line... bummer. |
| 22:25.53 | orchid | yes because we will all lay down and let you stay there |
| 22:26.17 | BZSpiff | LoL |
| 22:26.20 | BZSpiff | I hope not. ;) |
| 22:26.32 | [dmp] | Its true. We dont wanna scare of newbies :) |
| 22:26.57 | BZSpiff | But it does seem like most of the best teams are inactive. |
| 22:27.22 | orchid | only vbz are inactive |
| 22:27.31 | BZSpiff | BiPs. Well.... |
| 22:27.38 | orchid | and we're not exactly the best anymore, if we ever were |
| 22:27.44 | BZSpiff | Let me qualify that...... it seems like most of the good players are inactive. |
| 22:27.55 | BZSpiff | So, therefore, the good teams. |
| 22:28.50 | BZSpiff | Vbz seems to be a good team. You're the only good team that we haven't played. |
| 22:29.06 | BZSpiff | Hence our winning streak. ;) |
| 22:30.16 | orchid | bamf cannot play long because of work |
| 22:30.31 | orchid | and Zwei and M1 arnet on much either |
| 22:30.40 | BZSpiff | Yep. I've noticed that he comes on and off a lot. |
| 22:32.17 | BZSpiff | That's a bummer. |
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| 22:40.07 | BZSpiff | Hi Noodleman. It's been a while. :) |
| 22:40.19 | Noodleman | m00, BZSpiff |
| 22:40.44 | BZSpiff | Hehe. |
| 22:40.48 | BZSpiff | I heard that you moved? |
| 22:41.19 | Noodleman | i'm in the process of it |
| 22:41.33 | BZSpiff | Ohhh.. I see. Where to? :) |
| 22:41.47 | Noodleman | we sold the house, and will be leaving for _indiana_ on sunday :-) |
| 22:41.56 | *** part/#bzflag gatos (sng@ACC569EE.ipt.aol.com) |
| 22:42.55 | BZSpiff | Wow..... what part of Indiana?! :) |
| 22:43.24 | Noodleman | southwest, evansville |
| 22:43.56 | Chestal | helo |
| 22:44.13 | Noodleman | m00, Chestal |
| 22:44.30 | BZSpiff | Cool. :) I'm waaaay up in the north/central part. :) |
| 22:45.32 | BZSpiff | I'm not more than 25 minutes from the Michigan state line actually. |
| 22:45.41 | BZSpiff | And hi Chestal. :) |
| 22:45.49 | Noodleman | we'll be right across the river from kentucky |
| 22:46.06 | Noodleman | and duh-oug |
| 22:46.11 | Noodleman | bzdoug_, :-P |
| 22:47.11 | BZSpiff | You should definitely be thankful. The weather up here is terrible. |
| 22:48.29 | BZSpiff | Although it's pretty nice right now. |
| 22:59.16 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@adsl-63-204-118-6.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 22:59.23 | BZSpiff | Hi JB. :) |
| 23:01.18 | BZSpiff | That's too bad [dmp]. :( Sorry for mentioning it.... I know that bugs you. |
| 23:01.34 | [dmp] | Dont be, its not you fault .. i hope :) |
| 23:01.44 | BZSpiff | Well... it could be those... |
| 23:01.45 | BZSpiff | LoL :) |
| 23:03.50 | [dmp] | i need a new email-client anyway, so i'd better use my bw for that :) |
| 23:04.16 | BZSpiff | bw? |
| 23:04.22 | BZSpiff | Ohh.... bandwidth. |
| 23:04.25 | BZSpiff | :) |
| 23:09.32 | orchid | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.35 | orchid | :(( |
| 23:09.52 | BZSpiff | Why the sad face? |
| 23:10.02 | BZSpiff | A friend? |
| 23:10.29 | orchid | yeah he's nice, but still struggling to learn |
| 23:10.44 | [dmp] | orchid: gnome apps works with fluxbox, right? |
| 23:11.12 | orchid | [dmp]: yeah, so long as you have all the gnome libs etc |
| 23:11.12 | BZSpiff | Ahhh. Ic Ic. He is doing a lot better today than he was yesterday. |
| 23:11.17 | orchid | KDE also |
| 23:11.37 | [dmp] | I think i found an email client then :) |
| 23:11.54 | orchid | [dmp]: you can even run a gnome or KDE panel in flux |
| 23:12.15 | orchid | which email client? |
| 23:12.19 | [dmp] | balsa |
| 23:12.28 | [dmp] | http://balsa.gnome.org/screenshots.html |
| 23:12.30 | orchid | yeah thats a good one |
| 23:12.36 | [dmp] | ah |
| 23:12.40 | orchid | sylpheed is good too |
| 23:12.59 | orchid | although the name sounds like a contagious desise |
| 23:12.59 | [dmp] | opera isnt working very well anymore .. :( |
| 23:13.48 | orchid | [dmp]: what version of Flux are you using? |
| 23:14.26 | orchid | theres a good cvs .deb that has all the eye candy stuff in it, transparent menues etc |
| 23:15.47 | [dmp] | its the on in unstable i think. |
| 23:18.07 | orchid | http://people.debian.org/~dopey/fluxbox/ |
| 23:18.38 | Chestal | good night |
| 23:19.13 | orchid | cu Chestal |
| 23:19.23 | BZSpiff | C-ya Chestal. :-) |
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| 23:59.46 | BZSpiff | Dinner calls. |
| 23:59.48 | BZSpiff | Laterz all. |
