| 00:01.18 | KTL_ | pythong-opengl (i guess == pyOpenGL) 1.5.7-5.6 Python bindings for OpenGL |
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| 00:02.26 | captain_proton | 1.5.7? yipes |
| 00:02.52 | KTL_ | i see i 'll have to compile |
| 00:03.07 | captain_proton | take yerself over to sourceforge and grab 2.0.0.44 |
| 00:03.18 | KTL_ | busy with that:-) |
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| 00:06.02 | Chikorita | hi peeps! |
| 00:06.36 | bzgirl | hey chiko |
| 00:06.43 | Chikorita | aww i not used ta not seeing learners' name here :( |
| 00:06.51 | Chikorita | hi bzgirl |
| 00:06.56 | JBDiGriz | He's out here and using an alias |
| 00:07.01 | Chikorita | hi JayBeeeee |
| 00:07.06 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 00:07.09 | Chikorita | omg |
| 00:07.19 | Chikorita | did yall actually meet up? |
| 00:07.35 | JBDiGriz | Not yet, he's supposed to call me with his schedule. |
| 00:07.40 | Chikorita | did ya go 2 da zoo tagether ? hehee |
| 00:07.43 | Chikorita | o i c |
| 00:08.00 | JBDiGriz | He came in too late to go to the zoo on Saturday. |
| 00:08.14 | Chikorita | yall can have a beer an talk bout BZ stuff heehe |
| 00:08.17 | Chikorita | o i c |
| 00:08.31 | Chikorita | i wish i could join ya |
| 00:08.34 | JBDiGriz | That's the plan, I have to introduce him to the local brews! |
| 00:08.38 | Chikorita | i luv it out dere in san diego |
| 00:08.46 | JBDiGriz | Grab a plane, and come out and visit! |
| 00:08.57 | Chikorita | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.10 | Chikorita | how iz it ova dere anywayzz |
| 00:09.20 | Chikorita | itz kinda crappy over here in maryland |
| 00:09.28 | Chikorita | drizzly |
| 00:09.36 | Chikorita | damp |
| 00:09.37 | Chikorita | icky |
| 00:09.40 | JBDiGriz | A little overcast, but just another beautiful day in paradise! ;-) |
| 00:09.40 | Chikorita | :P |
| 00:09.47 | Chikorita | heehe i bet |
| 00:10.10 | Chikorita | i was jus chattin wif Quol |
| 00:10.29 | Chikorita | he has such a sweet server setup |
| 00:10.32 | Chikorita | he so lucky |
| 00:11.11 | bzgirl | why does the README suggest making a parallel directiory called ~/work to build in? I always compile from the tarball created directory |
| 00:11.12 | Chikorita | hes got a commercial cable connection , T3 , an itz all free |
| 00:11.33 | bzgirl | chko my lag on quol's server is 22ms ;-) |
| 00:11.43 | Chikorita | nya i kno , itz awesum |
| 00:11.52 | drinian | ~xmission |
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| 00:12.23 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 00:12.25 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 00:12.46 | Chikorita | not much happenin on ducati taday ...i wonder where all da regs r? |
| 00:13.22 | drinian | cap, you there? |
| 00:13.28 | Chikorita | ooH i was practicing wif all of TAF on Q's server ...i am soo ready ta take dem on ;) heehe |
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| 00:14.20 | captain_proton | drinian: yeah |
| 00:14.22 | Michaelh | tried stock version of g2 with the xmission server, it also crashes in a similar way |
| 00:15.37 | drinian | I'd like to ask you for some advice on what to code. I'd like to help out and I've looked at the TODO and Wiki pages. Some of it is beyond my skill, though. Is there a particular aspect / feature /bug I could help out? |
| 00:16.24 | Michaelh | find something you'd like to improve about the game, or a feature you'd like to see, modify the source, submit a patch |
| 00:16.39 | captain_proton | drinian: we're really not that organized =) |
| 00:17.05 | drinian | Is there a way to know if someone is working on the approved flags? |
| 00:17.15 | Michaelh | nope |
| 00:17.16 | captain_proton | iirc, nobody is |
| 00:17.34 | Michaelh | you can put notes in your sf.net profile though |
| 00:17.36 | Tupone | bzgirl: README suggestion for building in a parallel tree is just because is the standard way, you can build from the same source tree for more platform. But building inside the source tree should work either |
| 00:17.56 | drinian | Does Tim want to not add anymore flags to 1.9? |
| 00:18.05 | Michaelh | make a patch |
| 00:18.17 | captain_proton | drinian: he wants to let it sit a while for the current set of changes to mature |
| 00:18.25 | bzgirl | Tupone: well my build failed anyway :) |
| 00:18.28 | captain_proton | but if you submit patches, they'll get included after a while |
| 00:18.52 | Tupone | bzgirl: in which way? See your config.log? |
| 00:19.09 | Michaelh | make sure you make patches and do do modifications against HEAD, and not something like 1_7g2 ... |
| 00:19.22 | drinian | I'm interested in working on several of the flags and perhaps improvements to the HUD...in particular the indentification suggestion on wiki...I forgot what it was called. |
| 00:19.23 | Michaelh | and against the CVS source and not the source off of the website |
| 00:19.49 | Michaelh | doing so will save you agony further down the line :) |
| 00:20.03 | drinian | Michaelh: Yes, I learned that. |
| 00:20.15 | Michaelh | bzflag was my first learning experience in that regard :) |
| 00:20.27 | drinian | Well, it's mine, too. |
| 00:20.34 | Michaelh | bzflag also needs documentation for sure also |
| 00:20.40 | bzgirl | Tupone: http://bzgirl.bakadigital.com/config.log |
| 00:20.44 | drinian | Like what? |
| 00:20.50 | Michaelh | just anything basically |
| 00:21.21 | Michaelh | captain was saying we should put javadoc style comments in |
| 00:21.30 | drinian | Hmmm. |
| 00:22.02 | Michaelh | Something simple like comments for each class, important methods I imagine.... |
| 00:22.13 | captain_proton | in the headers |
| 00:22.16 | captain_proton | for the doxygen run |
| 00:22.26 | drinian | Yes, that would be helpful. |
| 00:22.27 | bzgirl | Tupone im installing xlibmesa3, i remeber needing that in the past |
| 00:22.46 | Tupone | bzgirl: its seem libGLU is missing |
| 00:22.58 | Michaelh | doxygen an unix util? |
| 00:24.45 | bzgirl | Tupone: installing that also |
| 00:25.07 | captain_proton | Michaelh: it probably runs on windows too |
| 00:25.20 | Tupone | bzgirl: so now ... working? |
| 00:25.37 | Michaelh | ah so .. I see |
| 00:25.41 | bzgirl | Tupone: got to build it again, will know soon |
| 00:25.59 | Michaelh | I'm thinking of doing a demo recorder player thingee |
| 00:26.14 | Michaelh | Probably won't do it immediately, but I'm thinking of it |
| 00:26.50 | drinian | Michaelh: http://www.stack.nl/~dimitri/doxygen/ |
| 00:26.53 | Michaelh | Are we we pondering completely changing the rendering engine btw? :) |
| 00:27.22 | captain_proton | Michaelh: probably not, but i'm open to the idea |
| 00:27.31 | captain_proton | we've got a nifty little engine architecture going on in pybzflag |
| 00:27.51 | Michaelh | hasn't patl talked about how inefficient it is? |
| 00:28.10 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 00:28.13 | drinian | Do you think that (pybzflag) will eventually make it to the client? |
| 00:28.28 | captain_proton | drinian: huh? |
| 00:28.46 | drinian | Using the pybzflag rendering for the client? |
| 00:29.00 | captain_proton | i'm positive it won't replace the client |
| 00:29.16 | captain_proton | but it may get to the point where some people use it instead of the real one |
| 00:29.50 | drinian | So, like two bzflag clients? |
| 00:30.11 | captain_proton | sure, why not |
| 00:30.22 | drinian | That's interesting. |
| 00:30.37 | drinian | Protocol compatable |
| 00:31.03 | Michaelh | except you have to maintain them both then... unless they do something different |
| 00:31.21 | captain_proton | they do a lot different |
| 00:31.53 | captain_proton | python is still too slow for most people |
| 00:32.50 | drinian | Oh, I thought scanline was thinking of prototyping in python and then converting to c. |
| 00:33.00 | captain_proton | nono |
| 00:33.02 | captain_proton | thats silly |
| 00:33.27 | drinian | ...in order to incorporate into the client |
| 00:33.36 | KTL_ | mmm, to compile pyOpenGL the linker needs X11 archive, after installation of all xlib packages i could find still no luck:-) |
| 00:33.36 | captain_proton | the only reason python could be good for prototyping is because of some of the libraries available to it (like Numeric) |
| 00:33.49 | captain_proton | and its really hard to convert those to C |
| 00:34.03 | captain_proton | drinian: its possible some of the architecture/ideas could be incorporated |
| 00:34.09 | captain_proton | but i don't think its a goal at the present time |
| 00:34.24 | drinian | Honestly, I'm not that familiar with python... |
| 00:35.26 | drinian | Well, interesting stuff though. |
| 00:35.37 | bzgirl | Tupone: thanks, works now |
| 00:35.57 | Tupone | bzg:you're welcome |
| 00:38.22 | Michaelh | captain I think putting up a detailed description of what precisely kind of comments and where they should go.... seems like doxygen has many different kinds of ways of working |
| 00:38.49 | Michaelh | would be a good idea |
| 00:39.26 | captain_proton | Michaelh: /** comments */ in headers |
| 00:39.58 | captain_proton | take a look at ConfigFileManager.h |
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| 00:42.16 | Michaelh | no @param no @return ? |
| 00:44.02 | captain_proton | no |
| 00:44.10 | captain_proton | just descriptions of what the functions do |
| 00:44.56 | Chikorita | gtg |
| 00:45.16 | Chikorita | bye all |
| 00:46.54 | Michaelh | http://www.visi.com/~michaelh/files/ftpjavadoc/index.html |
| 00:47.00 | Michaelh | here's my javadoc :) |
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| 00:48.41 | Michaelh | there's no way to keep separate implementation and "header files" in java, is there.... |
| 00:48.53 | Michaelh | outside of interfaces.... |
| 00:50.15 | Michaelh | I suppose everyone has their pet project |
| 00:51.11 | Michaelh | but hey .. what it has in documentation it lacks in usabilty...... kind of the reverse of bzflag |
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| 00:56.35 | KTL_ | i solved it:-) |
| 00:59.06 | Skipp | how do i run a operating system install for redhat 9 within redhat 7 |
| 01:01.12 | bzgirl | skipp are you trying to upgrade? |
| 01:01.26 | Skipp | yes, install a new os |
| 01:01.27 | bzgirl | or did you download the 3 new iso's? |
| 01:01.39 | Skipp | downloaded 3 iso's |
| 01:01.54 | Skipp | wouldn't start when computer booted up and i put the disc in |
| 01:02.10 | bzgirl | is your bios set to boot from cdrom? |
| 01:02.26 | Skipp | don't know? |
| 01:02.50 | Skipp | how can i change that |
| 01:03.01 | KTL_ | when booting you press del or f11 or some specific bios-dependant key |
| 01:03.07 | KTL_ | so you get in the bios |
| 01:03.24 | Skipp | so when i boot up press f11 |
| 01:03.27 | KTL_ | and set the cdrom first in the boot order |
| 01:03.45 | Skipp | ok, yeah i know what you are talking about |
| 01:03.46 | bzgirl | it usually says "press <thiskey> to enter bios" |
| 01:03.54 | KTL_ | if you read the output while booting you maybe see the key you need |
| 01:04.11 | Skipp | k, i will try that then |
| 01:04.17 | KTL_ | it 'll work:-) |
| 01:04.20 | Skipp | thanks for the help |
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| 01:14.45 | Skipp | didn't work |
| 01:15.15 | Skipp | the boot order already had the cd rom drive as the first thing to be booted |
| 01:16.04 | Skipp | would it mattered if i copyed the files in windows and burned them onto the cd using windows? |
| 01:16.29 | KTL_ | euhm |
| 01:16.54 | KTL_ | these iso's are burned as iso-files i hope? |
| 01:17.00 | Skipp | yes |
| 01:17.07 | KTL_ | nnot as normal files in their filesystem |
| 01:17.10 | KTL_ | there |
| 01:17.48 | Skipp | shrike-1386-disc1.is |
| 01:17.51 | Skipp | .iso |
| 01:18.21 | KTL_ | it should be bootable, normally if the bootorder is correct, then the pc hangs a bit while booting, searching on cdrom if there is something to boot from |
| 01:18.46 | KTL_ | if not it boots from the next option on the list |
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| 01:19.08 | SGI | hi |
| 01:19.33 | Skipp | well it doesn't think much and it doesn't even check the cd before it goes to the linux boot screen |
| 01:21.16 | KTL_ | it has to check it, maybe the bios has to be checked again... mmm and make sure it saves the new config... and euhm... what else... the correct device (dvd and burner can be confusing) |
| 01:22.31 | Skipp | i only have one cd-rom device |
| 01:22.47 | KTL_ | good |
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| 01:25.43 | Michaelh | what is wrong with this picture |
| 01:25.45 | Michaelh | OpenGLTexFont::draw(const OpenGLTexFont * const 0x00000015, const char * 0x0041c41e, int 7464872, float 6.40000, float 382.000, float 0.000000) line 549 |
| 01:26.01 | Michaelh | that's a long string isn't it |
| 01:26.49 | Michaelh | so the first object is a reference to the instance of the class, right? |
| 01:30.08 | captain_proton | pointer |
| 01:30.13 | captain_proton | though thats a strange looking pointer |
| 01:30.13 | KTL_ | some people did a nice job in blender, nice rendering of the bzflag tank |
| 01:30.25 | captain_proton | KTL_: hm? |
| 01:30.47 | Michaelh | you 0x00000015 ? |
| 01:31.00 | KTL_ | (i'm looking at the files from pyBZflag) |
| 01:31.12 | Michaelh | seems like a small # huh |
| 01:34.30 | captain_proton | KTL_: ah, the screenshots? |
| 01:34.50 | KTL_ | euhm, i'm rendering the blend files myself |
| 01:35.06 | KTL_ | there is even a brick wall in 3D |
| 01:35.22 | Michaelh | ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 01:35.28 | Michaelh | bricks....... |
| 01:35.33 | KTL_ | waaauww:-) |
| 01:35.54 | Michaelh | it's part of the "Box Theme" |
| 01:37.24 | Michaelh | what does rep->gstate.setState(); do in openGlTexfont |
| 01:37.36 | KTL_ | and a script to get a bzworld form a server, grr, weeks after i modified the code for that |
| 01:37.39 | KTL_ | :-) |
| 01:37.50 | Michaelh | line 550 or so in opengltexfont.cxx |
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| 01:39.11 | Skipp | still no go |
| 01:39.14 | KTL_ | and? does it boot? |
| 01:39.21 | KTL_ | (==> Skipp) |
| 01:39.39 | Skipp | nope |
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| 01:39.42 | bryjen | Skipp: have you shutdown and cold booted? I've seen PCs that only start from CD on cold boot. |
| 01:39.56 | Michaelh | arg too many refs to refs to refs |
| 01:40.15 | Skipp | i first started it when it was cold |
| 01:40.29 | Skipp | and it didn't work, cd-rom was still first on the boot list |
| 01:40.48 | Skipp | i heard patlabor saying that you could do a ftp install |
| 01:41.52 | KTL_ | strange |
| 01:42.59 | Skipp | i am reading a manual and it says for redhat 7 that i can type autoboot.bat in dos |
| 01:43.09 | Skipp | think it would work for 9 |
| 01:43.15 | scanline | uh oh, KTL_ found pybzflag :) |
| 01:43.36 | KTL_ | lol |
| 01:44.17 | captain_proton | hiya scanline |
| 01:44.29 | KTL_ | euhm but all that bootstuff must be possible with linux only, that stupid microsoft brrrr |
| 01:45.09 | KTL_ | eeej, maybe... is it possible to boot via grub from cd? |
| 01:45.29 | KTL_ | but installing a new bootloader is maybe a bit risky |
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| 01:46.24 | Skipp | think the redhat 9 program is bad? |
| 01:46.51 | scanline | KTL_: the brick wall I did in blender turned out crappy, so I ended up heavily gimping up a photo of a brick building that fiberchunks took |
| 01:47.31 | KTL_ | nice textures can be a problem yes |
| 01:47.50 | scanline | unfortunately all the textures in pybzflag right now are my 'artwork' ;) |
| 01:47.58 | scanline | though I think they turned out pretty tolerable |
| 01:47.58 | KTL_ | ah:-) |
| 01:48.16 | Skipp | is there a way to install a linux os inside another linux os |
| 01:48.48 | KTL_ | euhm, yes , you can place a whole linux install in a subdir |
| 01:48.56 | fiberchunks_ | yah, it involves a chroot, and installing a bootloader on chroot boot partition, iirc |
| 01:48.59 | KTL_ | and then do chroot in that dir |
| 01:49.04 | fiberchunks_ | evening all, by the way |
| 01:49.16 | KTL_ | chroot . /bin/bash ? (long time ago) |
| 01:49.50 | Michaelh | think vc++ would int a new int [] to all 0's ? |
| 01:49.56 | Michaelh | in debug mode? |
| 01:50.12 | fiberchunks_ | gotta mount your chroot drive first, and some form of proc within the chroot part, then chroot /mnt/newlinux /bin/bash |
| 01:50.23 | KTL_ | (it's a bit sad that there are not so much textures needed in bzflag, the worlds sometimes look to monotonous) |
| 01:50.35 | scanline | KTL_: well, that's one thing pybzflag changes |
| 01:50.38 | fiberchunks_ | or something of that nature -- gentoo has a similar process for getting the system bootstrapped |
| 01:50.56 | scanline | KTL_: it textures objects differently depending on their size and positioning |
| 01:51.10 | scanline | plus it uses multitexture and decals to remove more monotony |
| 01:51.49 | KTL_ | mmm good... euhm but pyBzflag has nothing to do with the real client (no?) (or what's the whole idea behind it?) |
| 01:53.06 | scanline | it's protocol-compatible, but the design is very different |
| 01:53.09 | scanline | and it's not playable yet |
| 01:53.25 | scanline | the point isn't really to make something playable, it's to experiment with new designs... though it's likely it will become playable at some point |
| 01:53.55 | scanline | it's possible that someone ports the graphics code from pybzflag to bzflag |
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| 01:54.26 | KTL_ | i'm not the only one it seems who takes bzflag as a programming experiment :-) |
| 01:54.48 | scanline | yeah... though that makes only two or three of us |
| 01:54.56 | KTL_ | i myself have made a bot, but until it can work with working-planes it's stays stupid |
| 01:55.03 | captain_proton | scanline: its here =) |
| 01:55.07 | scanline | captain_proton: it? |
| 01:55.09 | captain_proton | the book |
| 01:55.15 | scanline | book? |
| 01:55.26 | captain_proton | cg book |
| 01:55.30 | scanline | yay! |
| 01:56.59 | KTL_ | perfect! that thumbnail creator for bzworlds! |
| 01:57.06 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:58.25 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:58.29 | captain_proton | its got an example of gooch shading |
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| 01:58.50 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:59.05 | KTL_ | i can make a directory filled with bzw-files, and a perl script that uses that creator to make index html pages |
| 01:59.28 | scanline | hah.. calling a python script from perl is like mixing two things that shouldn't be mixed :) |
| 01:59.37 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 02:00.37 | KTL_ | euhm... that world ripper of pyBzflag, can it get the comments of the maps too? |
| 02:00.38 | scanline | I should just add a little XHTML output dealybob to it and save you the irony |
| 02:00.47 | KTL_ | :-) |
| 02:00.50 | scanline | no, the comments aren't transmitted to the client |
| 02:00.51 | fiberchunks_ | scanline: your familiar with wxPython, correct? |
| 02:00.56 | fiberchunks_ | you're* |
| 02:01.04 | scanline | fiberchunks_: haven't ever used it, but I know what it is |
| 02:01.49 | fiberchunks_ | ah, phoo ... would you have any idea (just generally), why I would get a metric boatload of pango 'layout != NULL' assertion errors? |
| 02:02.05 | scanline | hmm, nope |
| 02:02.13 | scanline | maybe a bug? :) |
| 02:02.26 | captain_proton | ooh neat |
| 02:02.33 | captain_proton | you can do keyframe interpolation in a vertex program |
| 02:03.24 | fiberchunks_ | indeed -- I think it has to do with the demo code being written (I think) for gtk<2 while the only libs I have are gtk >2 -- dunno, gotta google on it more :\ |
| 02:03.24 | Michaelh | when yo sprintf into a buffer, does it copy the \0 into the new buffer? |
| 02:03.39 | Michaelh | it doesn't does it? |
| 02:04.00 | Michaelh | or does it? |
| 02:04.28 | scanline | it does |
| 02:04.30 | scanline | read the manpage |
| 02:04.41 | captain_proton | he's on windows |
| 02:04.49 | captain_proton | but thats what the msdn library is for ;) |
| 02:05.56 | Michaelh | bleh |
| 02:06.14 | captain_proton | scanline: =) |
| 02:06.30 | Michaelh | my msdn is temporarily fubared because I moved it from one drive to another |
| 02:06.39 | scanline | captain_proton: would be great for stuff like the bzflag tank and the navi logo :) |
| 02:07.31 | Michaelh | strcpy does the same thing, copies the ending 0? strncpy doesn't though, does it |
| 02:07.43 | captain_proton | fiberchunks_: "the cg tutorial" |
| 02:07.57 | captain_proton | written by a couple guys at nvidia |
| 02:07.58 | fiberchunks_ | isbn, por favor? |
| 02:08.11 | captain_proton | 0-321-19496-9 |
| 02:08.15 | fiberchunks_ | thank you :) |
| 02:08.26 | Michaelh | seems to be puking on : minorFont.draw(kills, x2, y); |
| 02:08.39 | scanline | whoa |
| 02:08.50 | captain_proton | oh? |
| 02:08.51 | scanline | he's firmly convinced that zak is david |
| 02:08.54 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 02:09.06 | Michaelh | does he like dislike david or what? |
| 02:09.21 | Michaelh | Or does he think you're rad? |
| 02:09.33 | scanline | Michaelh: it's a little more complicated than that, but not much |
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| 02:58.18 | KTL_ | creating html with bash was a bad idea i guess:-) |
| 02:59.53 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 03:00.04 | fiberchunks_ | why's that ? |
| 03:02.27 | scanline | I had a disks CGI that was written in bash... |
| 03:02.35 | scanline | then I made it good by rewriting it in python :) |
| 03:03.20 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/cgi-bin/disks.cgi |
| 03:05.43 | fiberchunks_ | /var/video is about to become unhappy ;) |
| 03:07.08 | scanline | yeah |
| 03:07.37 | scanline | the whole thing is rather unhappy |
| 03:07.41 | scanline | we need those new disks |
| 03:12.16 | KTL_ | (why's that? well i want to place these maps with there title in tables with rows and columns, at the moment they are all beneath each other) |
| 03:13.46 | fiberchunks_ | is there a modulus operator in bash? |
| 03:16.12 | KTL_ | ( don't know, but i think there is no operator + ) |
| 03:27.09 | KTL_ | ok, a lot of these bzw files are made by win users ==> i need to change all the returns |
| 03:27.15 | KTL_ | perl? |
| 03:27.23 | captain_proton | can do it in vim |
| 03:27.32 | KTL_ | euhm it are to much files |
| 03:27.50 | captain_proton | sed! |
| 03:27.53 | KTL_ | sed?:-) |
| 03:28.27 | fiberchunks_ | vim in ex mode as well, iirc |
| 03:29.47 | scanline | KTL_: pybzflag's parser should be fine with DOS-style newlines |
| 03:30.54 | KTL_ | the thumbnail creator has probs with it on my system |
| 03:31.49 | KTL_ | sed 's/$/Ctrl-V Ctrl-M/g' * |
| 03:31.55 | KTL_ | hope it did what i wanted |
| 03:32.06 | scanline | why not just fix the problem? |
| 03:32.13 | scanline | it should be really simple.. what error do you get? |
| 03:32.35 | fiberchunks_ | say, what part of colorado do you 2 live in? |
| 03:32.47 | scanline | and what's that ^V for in your line? |
| 03:32.51 | KTL_ | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 03:32.51 | KTL_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.51 | KTL_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.51 | KTL_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.51 | KTL_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.52 | KTL_ | IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '~/dev/bzStuf/thumbs/thecitadel.bzw' |
| 03:32.56 | scanline | fiberchunks_: boulder usually |
| 03:33.04 | scanline | KTL_: that has nothing to do with newlines |
| 03:33.09 | fiberchunks_ | my gf and I were thinking about moving -- I want to move west, but am unfamiliar with how much things (like houses) cost out there |
| 03:33.24 | KTL_ | euhm, the file is really there |
| 03:33.32 | scanline | KTL_: you're using it wrong it looks like |
| 03:34.10 | scanline | KTL_: it takes two parameters, an input file and an output file |
| 03:34.13 | scanline | micah@yoshi pybzflag $ ./worldthumbnail.py ../../worlds/decks.bzw decks.png |
| 03:34.38 | scanline | also, your shell should be expanding the ~ in the path |
| 03:35.16 | KTL_ | for i in $(ls maps); |
| 03:35.16 | KTL_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.16 | KTL_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.16 | KTL_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.16 | KTL_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.17 | KTL_ | done; |
| 03:35.18 | captain_proton | scanline: once we have a sun and clouds, we need to remake the sky_test with a slow sunrise and this music =) |
| 03:35.18 | KTL_ | :-) |
| 03:35.34 | KTL_ | that's the way i use it |
| 03:35.39 | scanline | captain_proton: hehe.. I've been thinking about how to do halos properly |
| 03:35.50 | scanline | KTL_: that's gross... why not just write this in python? |
| 03:36.01 | KTL_ | i don' know python |
| 03:36.17 | scanline | KTL_: it's really easy to learn.. and worldthumbnailer.py is 6 lines of code |
| 03:36.29 | scanline | er, worldthumbnail |
| 03:36.47 | KTL_ | because it uses modules |
| 03:36.57 | scanline | exactly |
| 03:37.09 | scanline | so you can just copy it and add a loop and some HTML-fu |
| 03:37.27 | scanline | of if you really don't want to learn python, I'll do it for you |
| 03:37.39 | scanline | I can't stand to see such beautiful python called from such ugly bash :) |
| 03:38.59 | KTL_ | :-) ok ok but later |
| 03:39.09 | KTL_ | i just discovered the sun is rising here again |
| 03:39.14 | scanline | hah |
| 03:39.17 | KTL_ | i should be in bed for a long time |
| 03:39.39 | KTL_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.46 | scanline | ooh, day-star! |
| 03:40.09 | fiberchunks_ | scanline: how much snow you all get out there, on average? |
| 03:40.19 | scanline | hmm... enough? :) |
| 03:40.39 | scanline | we get snowstorms every once and a while during winter... it really varies year to year |
| 03:40.43 | fiberchunks_ | lol - trying to compare it with here |
| 03:40.47 | scanline | the occasional blizzard |
| 03:41.01 | fiberchunks_ | really? hrm, I'd figured it was much more than here, sounds bout the same |
| 03:41.17 | captain_proton | its a lot more up in the mountains |
| 03:41.17 | captain_proton | but not here |
| 03:41.33 | fiberchunks_ | you in a valley? |
| 03:42.05 | captain_proton | technically its a valley, i guess |
| 03:42.05 | fiberchunks_ | summers nice and temperate? |
| 03:42.17 | captain_proton | reasonably so |
| 03:42.27 | captain_proton | i consider them to be a bit too hot, but others might not |
| 03:42.41 | fiberchunks_ | what's the average? around 85 or so? |
| 03:42.58 | captain_proton | 85, 90, sometimes 95 |
| 03:42.59 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (4 files in 2 dirs): add a rendering pass for camera-induced effects |
| 03:43.29 | scanline | captain_proton: the big issue with halos is determining, given a sphere, what area of it is visible to the camera |
| 03:44.10 | scanline | I think you'd need to do collision detection on an infinite cone |
| 03:44.10 | captain_proton | well you can do depth tests |
| 03:44.43 | captain_proton | (read the depth buffer) |
| 03:44.43 | scanline | oh |
| 03:44.43 | scanline | neat |
| 03:44.43 | JBDiGriz | captain_proton: what city do you live in? |
| 03:44.43 | captain_proton | but my concern is making it look good when half-occluded |
| 03:44.43 | scanline | indeed |
| 03:44.43 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: boulder |
| 03:44.47 | JBDiGriz | captain_proton: gorgeous! |
| 03:44.53 | scanline | Unreal Tournament just fades flares on and off when the center gets occluded or unoccluded.. it looks really cheesy |
| 03:45.02 | scanline | would be better to sample a few points to guess the flare area |
| 03:45.18 | captain_proton | well |
| 03:45.21 | scanline | or maybe sample a random point in the sphere and low-pass-filter the flare brightness, for a stochastic method |
| 03:45.31 | captain_proton | there's the same part of the flare thats visible when partly occluded |
| 03:45.45 | captain_proton | but it bleeds over the occluded area a little due to internal scattering in the lense |
| 03:46.17 | scanline | right. it would be best if you could center the flare on the exposed area, and adjust it's size/brightness to the amount of area exposed |
| 03:46.42 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 03:46.49 | captain_proton | best? |
| 03:46.57 | scanline | ok, not best... |
| 03:47.10 | scanline | but the best I can think of, that you could do with current hardware |
| 03:47.22 | scanline | best would be if you could model the scattering of the lens and the film exposure properly |
| 03:47.22 | captain_proton | i'm sure we can do this with current hardware |
| 03:47.30 | scanline | what's your idea? |
| 03:49.23 | captain_proton | well i haven't thought of a way to implement it yet =) |
| 03:51.30 | captain_proton | when you have the sun, its a relatively large area |
| 03:51.46 | captain_proton | which can be partially occluded |
| 03:52.18 | *** join/#bzflag Quol (~quolsimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 03:52.18 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/occluded.png |
| 03:52.18 | scanline | ahh |
| 03:52.33 | captain_proton | heh |
| 03:53.18 | captain_proton | there has got to be a way to render such flares with common techniques |
| 03:53.47 | scanline | well, it looks like you could render it with a texture or two if you could determine the type of occlusion |
| 03:53.52 | scanline | but doing that could be tough |
| 03:54.02 | scanline | hmm... |
| 03:54.13 | scanline | how about sampling the depth buffer at points along the rim of the circle? |
| 03:54.25 | scanline | that would give you a pretty good idea of how it's occluded |
| 03:54.42 | captain_proton | perhaps a grid |
| 03:54.58 | scanline | how fast are depth buffer reads? |
| 03:55.19 | scanline | I doubt this is something we can accelerate with Numeric, unless gl has a function to sample a list of points and return them in an array |
| 03:55.35 | scanline | of course, psyco might help |
| 03:55.49 | captain_proton | the sun/moon isn't really that large in the scene |
| 03:56.24 | captain_proton | we could probably get away with 6 samples or so |
| 03:56.34 | scanline | I'm assuming it would be a viewport-aligned grid with a constant spacing between samples? |
| 03:56.55 | scanline | I think just sampling the circle's edge would give us all the info we need though |
| 03:57.03 | captain_proton | yeah, probably |
| 03:57.30 | scanline | that would handle intersections like your example really nicely, though it would get confused for more complex intersections |
| 03:57.33 | Quol | is there anyone here that really knows bzfs well? I have a question or 2.... |
| 03:57.37 | captain_proton | and if we choose to simulate the 'larger-at-horizon' effect, its not really a problem anyway |
| 03:57.42 | captain_proton | because there's virtually no flare then |
| 03:58.54 | captain_proton | Quol: usually its better to just ask |
| 03:59.10 | captain_proton | if someone knows the answer, they'll speak |
| 03:59.58 | Quol | captain_proton: OK - but I didn't want to spam the channel if there was no one there to answer - here goes |
| 03:59.58 | scanline | captain_proton: could do the actual rendering with one texture and a subdivided quad, where you just mush one side of the flare :) |
| 04:00.08 | captain_proton | scanline: ooh, thats a good idea |
| 04:00.27 | captain_proton | and GL_CLAMP it |
| 04:00.31 | scanline | yep |
| 04:01.00 | Quol | I have noticed this a coupld of times now with g2...whenever I issue the /flag up command, the server does take away the flags, but then when I issue the /flag reset command, you can only use a flag once, and then when you drop it that flag can never be used again until you /flag reset again, or reset the server - and then all is back to normal |
| 04:02.05 | Quol | maybe I am doing something wrong at the config level - I don't know - have tried all sorts of config, and this is consistent across CTF games and FFA maps |
| 04:02.58 | captain_proton | hm |
| 04:03.11 | captain_proton | the /flag commands are rarely used, so its probable that they're buggy |
| 04:04.00 | Quol | I have since just stopped using those commands - but sometimes it is nice to jsut remove the flags... |
| 04:04.11 | Quol | another one is the V flag and people getting kicked |
| 04:04.39 | Quol | for tank moving too fast - can I set something somewhere or is this at the client side? |
| 04:04.46 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
| 04:05.14 | captain_proton | do -speedtol 1.2 or something |
| 04:05.35 | Quol | you mean when starting bzfs... |
| 04:05.40 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 04:06.33 | Quol | ahhh - I haven't messed with that... |
| 04:06.45 | Quol | funny that some people are OK, and some get kicked |
| 04:07.08 | Quol | is it 1.0 by default? |
| 04:07.33 | captain_proton | i think so |
| 04:07.41 | captain_proton | but don't quote me on that |
| 04:07.47 | Quol | OK - I will |
| 04:08.08 | Quol | thanks for the -speedtol tip - I have to re-read the man pages again I think |
| 04:10.09 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (2 files): clean up scanline's dirty whitespace |
| 04:10.29 | scanline | oh no! |
| 04:22.20 | KTL_ | bye, the sun is rising, i go to bed:-) |
| 04:24.44 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@balt-209-163-100-144.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 04:25.31 | MrApathyCream | moooo |
| 04:25.38 | scanline | boingski! |
| 04:27.21 | MrApathyCream | bzfs-snmp? |
| 04:27.35 | captain_proton | ? |
| 04:28.54 | MrApathyCream | any value do you think? Might be nice for easy server statistics etc |
| 04:29.13 | captain_proton | sounds silly to me |
| 04:29.19 | captain_proton | but if you want to invent a MIB, feel free ;) |
| 04:29.50 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (2 files): make the day last a full two minutes |
| 04:30.56 | MrApathyCream | how does that work anyway, if two apps on the same machine want to be instrumented... they both can't be listening on the sam udp port can they? |
| 04:31.39 | captain_proton | sure they can |
| 04:31.51 | MrApathyCream | without a multicast address? |
| 04:31.58 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 04:32.03 | captain_proton | udp is connectionless |
| 04:32.05 | MrApathyCream | huh |
| 04:32.08 | MrApathyCream | ya |
| 04:32.22 | captain_proton | so they both get the packet |
| 04:32.30 | captain_proton | for snmp, its all the same protocol |
| 04:32.31 | MrApathyCream | cul |
| 04:32.33 | captain_proton | so it works fine |
| 04:33.04 | MrApathyCream | Would be nice to be able to graph how many MsgPlayerUpdate, MsgShotBegin, etc, etc messages were processed per second |
| 04:33.23 | captain_proton | could do that without SNMP |
| 04:33.28 | captain_proton | just run traceproxy and have it keep track |
| 04:33.31 | captain_proton | then graph at the end |
| 04:33.34 | MrApathyCream | yes. but might as well use standards |
| 04:33.45 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 04:33.47 | MrApathyCream | true |
| 04:34.03 | MrApathyCream | other things tho, like kills, lags, etc |
| 04:34.10 | MrApathyCream | eh. |
| 04:34.18 | MrApathyCream | was just thunkin |
| 04:34.57 | captain_proton | sounds dangerous |
| 04:35.07 | MrApathyCream | smell something burnin" |
| 04:35.07 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 04:36.03 | MrApathyCream | well--without direction i get into trouble ya know (steal hats and stuff) |
| 04:36.35 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 04:37.31 | MrApathyCream | I couldn't find anywhere what the wire format was for snmp headesr anyway |
| 04:37.43 | MrApathyCream | just abstract descriptions |
| 04:37.51 | captain_proton | looked at the RFC? |
| 04:38.09 | MrApathyCream | i don't think they actually specify the wire format as silly as that sounds |
| 04:40.13 | MrApathyCream | eg: GetRequest is RequestID/error_status/error_index/variable_binding |
| 04:40.28 | MrApathyCream | but they don't actually say what the code is for getrequest, how big the fields are, etc,etc |
| 04:40.31 | MrApathyCream | at least not that i found |
| 04:41.53 | captain_proton | look at rfc 3416, 3417 and 3418 |
| 04:46.36 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/doc (TODO): i'm not in irc? |
| 04:47.14 | JBDiGriz | Does anyone have the admin password for what used to be rosemeyers? |
| 04:47.29 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@AC9F18F3.ipt.aol.com) |
| 04:47.38 | Chikorita | hi all |
| 04:47.47 | JBDiGriz | We have an nr holding the flag. |
| 04:47.56 | Chikorita | there iz a funny situation goin on in rosemeyers ctf server |
| 04:48.11 | Chikorita | ya wut JB sed |
| 04:48.29 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: they're like reading ancient geek |
| 04:48.40 | Chikorita | deadmeat went nr right b4 he could ctf an he holdin onto da otha teams flag while hes nr |
| 04:49.15 | Chikorita | u kno JB , i tnik dis sorta thing happened b4 |
| 04:49.36 | Chikorita | and an admin had 2 do a flag reset or a supakill ta get it str8 |
| 04:50.13 | Chikorita | any rosemeyers admin here? |
| 04:50.17 | MrApathyCream | and still no wire protocol so far as i can tell |
| 04:50.57 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: there are a large number of rfc's associated with snmp |
| 04:51.02 | captain_proton | i'd suggest a search at rfc-editor.org |
| 04:51.55 | Chikorita | nevamind itz ok now sum1 or sumthing fixed it |
| 04:53.35 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:59.16 | captain_proton | i've been mostly feeling around pybzflag |
| 05:00.16 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:01.26 | scanline | an XHTML bzflag world thumbnailer! |
| 05:02.09 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 05:03.01 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, me considers a world stealer option binary->back to bzw |
| 05:03.39 | scanline | MrApathyCream: pybzflag already has one of those |
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| 05:28.51 | Chikorita | i think da BZ clock iz off by 10minutes ... |
| 05:28.52 | Chikorita | :P |
| 05:30.16 | Chikorita | ~JBDiGriz |
| 05:30.40 | Chikorita | ~Mayhem |
| 05:30.41 | | somebody said mayhem was on BzR and is a really nice guy |
| 05:30.47 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 05:30.48 | *** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@161.97.199.99) |
| 05:30.53 | Chikorita | ~Chikorita |
| 05:30.54 | | Chikorita iz kewl |
| 05:31.01 | Chikorita | yay |
| 05:31.13 | Chikorita | ~scanline |
| 05:31.14 | | extra, extra, read all about it, scanline is at mailto:micah@navi.picogui.org or the original author of PicoGUI or mailto:micahjd@users.sourceforge.net |
| 05:31.24 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 05:31.42 | Chikorita | ~sussi |
| 05:31.54 | Chikorita | ~learner |
| 05:31.55 | | learner is, like, your friend |
| 05:31.59 | scanline | oh no! |
| 05:32.00 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 05:32.25 | Chikorita | uh huh |
| 05:32.47 | lurgyman | ~lurgyman |
| 05:32.47 | | [lurgyman] a llama |
| 05:32.54 | Chikorita | lol |
| 05:33.00 | lurgyman | yep |
| 05:33.05 | lurgyman | not much has changed there... |
| 05:33.06 | Chikorita | ~Enotirab |
| 05:33.15 | Chikorita | ~sussudio |
| 05:33.16 | | sussudio is, like, Get a life, Doug. |
| 05:33.21 | Chikorita | lolllll |
| 05:33.46 | Chikorita | ~Chestal |
| 05:33.47 | | a german gent that enjoys croissants with his pet duck, Tag. |
| 05:33.57 | Chikorita | aww heh |
| 05:34.06 | Chikorita | ~[dmp] |
| 05:34.14 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 05:34.22 | Chikorita | ~bzgirl |
| 05:34.23 | | hmm... bzgirl is the coolest around |
| 05:34.32 | Chikorita | ~fiberchunks |
| 05:34.43 | Chikorita | ! |
| 05:34.44 | Chikorita | ? |
| 05:34.48 | Chikorita | no? |
| 05:35.02 | Chikorita | ~TimRiker |
| 05:35.04 | | [bzflag] mailto:Tim@Rikers.org or the former CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming |
| 05:35.17 | Chikorita | o.O |
| 05:35.20 | Chikorita | O.o |
| 05:35.31 | Chikorita | ~patlabor |
| 05:35.32 | | patlabor is, like, can't spell, does smell. |
| 05:35.41 | Chikorita | lol |
| 05:35.54 | captain_proton | hmm, thats old info |
| 05:36.11 | Chikorita | ~captain_proton |
| 05:36.20 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 05:36.30 | Chikorita | ibot needz sumtin in dat 1 |
| 05:36.31 | | Chikorita: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 05:36.31 | Chikorita | lol |
| 05:36.33 | scanline | ~particle du jour |
| 05:36.34 | | charged pseudophoton |
| 05:36.36 | captain_proton | ~emulate captain_proton |
| 05:36.37 | | ACTION watches old sci-fi and contemplates an evil plot |
| 05:36.41 | scanline | ~sci-fi of the day |
| 05:36.41 | | It's some kind of magneto-ionized meson emission field in the holodeck, ensign kirk |
| 05:36.43 | Chikorita | lol |
| 05:37.26 | Chikorita | hmm who else |
| 05:37.37 | Chikorita | ~david_v |
| 05:37.50 | Chikorita | aww no entry for davy |
| 05:38.05 | Chikorita | umm |
| 05:38.46 | Chikorita | ~sn0w m0nkey |
| 05:38.47 | lurgyman | ~fishslap a flock of chipmunks |
| 05:38.48 | | ACTION slaps a flock of chipmunks up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 05:38.53 | scanline | ~sci-fi of the day |
| 05:38.54 | | Explosion imminent: magneto-ionized neutrino damping field in deck 42, ensign kirk |
| 06:00.23 | Chikorita | k gnite all |
| 06:02.28 | *** part/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@161.97.199.99) |
| 07:13.32 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (6 files in 5 dirs): |
| 07:13.32 | CIA | A quick little bzflag world indexer script, and some miscellaneous changes to |
| 07:13.32 | CIA | the data directory code to make pybzflag work with any current directory. |
| 07:22.17 | *** join/#bzflag captain_pistachi (~blardebla@12-203-245-57.client.attbi.com) |
| 07:22.17 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ |
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| 09:34.31 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (~dennis@3E6B486F.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 09:34.41 | [dmp] | ~d |
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| 13:01.10 | david_v | g'day folks |
| 13:14.50 | [TeA|TrEE] | hi |
| 13:15.08 | tea|tree | ^o^ |
| 13:15.17 | tea|tree | ok- ^^ |
| 13:17.09 | tea|tree | ~d |
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| 13:20.52 | tea|tree | Quol ... |
| 13:20.53 | tea|tree | :D |
| 13:20.59 | Quol | hey T |
| 13:21.06 | david_v | hey there |
| 13:21.18 | Quol | hey david_v - whats up guys? |
| 13:21.32 | david_v | i'm messing with Linux :) |
| 13:21.47 | Quol | ahhh - messing is a good word - are you wuinning |
| 13:21.53 | david_v | partially hehe |
| 13:21.55 | tea|tree | im on win |
| 13:22.02 | tea|tree | because linux will never work |
| 13:22.04 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 13:22.06 | david_v | i have an old graphics card here whose driver won't work yet |
| 13:22.18 | david_v | but on the newer comp Linux works very nicely |
| 13:22.33 | Quol | what flavor |
| 13:22.50 | david_v | on the old one, Debian |
| 13:22.59 | david_v | on the new one, mainly Gentoo, and will put Debian on it too |
| 13:23.19 | Quol | how do you like Gentoo? |
| 13:23.28 | david_v | nice but time-consuming hehe |
| 13:23.29 | Quol | is it stable enough yet? |
| 13:24.01 | david_v | depends. the system is a bit tricky and supposedly risky if you don't see some of the traps |
| 13:24.09 | david_v | i've fallen in some, so i know. hehe |
| 13:24.28 | david_v | but it seems stable |
| 13:28.42 | david_v | nice thing with it is you can install most applications with little user interaction |
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| 14:00.04 | fiberchunks_ | gentoo is perfectly stable |
| 14:00.17 | fiberchunks_ | to add to an ancient topic |
| 14:00.46 | tea|tree | hey fiber |
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| 14:01.05 | fiberchunks_ | or, as stable as you want it to be ... as long as you don't ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" or whatever, it's totally stable |
| 14:01.08 | fiberchunks_ | hey tea|tree |
| 14:01.39 | tea|tree | got my mail @ fiberchunks_ |
| 14:01.53 | tea|tree | oops i think wrong person! |
| 14:01.54 | tea|tree | lol |
| 14:01.55 | fiberchunks_ | you sent me mail? |
| 14:01.56 | tea|tree | never mind |
| 14:01.57 | tea|tree | lol |
| 14:01.59 | tea|tree | forget it |
| 14:02.01 | tea|tree | lOL |
| 14:10.34 | fiberchunks_ | anyone know why kp took turkey down permanently? |
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| 14:15.13 | david_v | back |
| 14:15.34 | bryjen | his comment "Don't do stuff for nothing." would suggest there was a rising cost. be that money, time, or peace of mind.... |
| 14:18.32 | fiberchunks_ | indeed, I was just wondering if it was something deeper than that -- like some cracker / script-kiddie stupidity :\ |
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| 15:13.44 | [dmp] | david_v: i doubt that my teammates will show up tomorrow. root cant. nobody else replied. |
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| 15:33.44 | fiberchunks_ | all patlabor221 |
| 15:33.48 | fiberchunks_ | allo, rather |
| 15:36.07 | patlabor221 | hello |
| 15:36.09 | patlabor221 | how is canada |
| 15:43.39 | fiberchunks_ | not there yet - will be on friday pm |
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| 15:48.32 | JBDiGriz | ~seen learner |
| 15:48.33 | | learner <~learner@65.120.43.85> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 23h 54m 3s ago, saying: 'Howdy peoples :)'. |
| 15:48.45 | JBDiGriz | ~seen siggraph |
| 15:48.45 | | siggraph <~learner@65.120.43.85> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 18h 51m 14s ago, saying: 'hehe'. |
| 15:48.55 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 15:49.21 | TimRiker | ~dict ostensibly |
| 15:49.35 | TimRiker | ~dict ostensible |
| 15:50.18 | patlabor221 | fiber the nanobloger guy sent me some stuff to put <p></p> in the entryies on newlines |
| 15:50.30 | fiberchunks_ | ah cool |
| 15:50.46 | patlabor221 | well if I can get them to work :) |
| 15:53.02 | fiberchunks_ | hrm -- /me is trying to figure out how to: 1) retrive all mail from ISP mailer, 2) send it to localhost, 3) be able to retrieve all my mail from a web interface to my box |
| 15:53.55 | patlabor221 | how do I set perms to make a script executable |
| 15:54.10 | fiberchunks_ | chmod u+x <somefile> |
| 15:54.13 | patlabor221 | I nb on a windows macine and it lost it's perm |
| 15:54.27 | fiberchunks_ | nb? |
| 15:54.43 | patlabor221 | the script |
| 15:54.52 | fiberchunks_ | oh |
| 15:55.19 | patlabor221 | tho now it' gives me ": bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 15:55.32 | patlabor221 | I think I borked it |
| 15:55.34 | fiberchunks_ | oh, you're sshing to the box with the script on it? or are you trying to run nb on a windows box? |
| 15:55.58 | patlabor221 | I extracted the script on a windows machine then scped it the machine |
| 15:56.19 | fiberchunks_ | ah, i dunno bout retaining perms on a windows box :\ |
| 15:56.24 | patlabor221 | it dosn't |
| 15:56.29 | patlabor221 | hence my issue :) |
| 15:56.38 | fiberchunks_ | just ssh to the box with the new script on it, and chmod u+x nb |
| 15:57.09 | fiberchunks_ | also, make sure that the very top line reads: #!/usr/bin/bash << or whatever which bash reports on that box |
| 15:57.19 | bryjen | check the first line of the script with the #!/foo/bar the path might be wrong |
| 15:57.36 | fiberchunks_ | it probably is |
| 15:58.13 | patlabor221 | I think the file got macked |
| 15:58.54 | fiberchunks_ | the path looks fine, if it's the one in /home/JeffM/nanoblogger |
| 15:59.06 | patlabor221 | thats the origonal one |
| 15:59.10 | fiberchunks_ | ah |
| 15:59.22 | fiberchunks_ | where's the new one? |
| 16:00.38 | patlabor221 | removed it |
| 16:00.43 | fiberchunks_ | ah |
| 16:00.44 | patlabor221 | gonna put the tarball over again |
| 16:04.22 | patlabor221 | bahhhh. his template change isn't working, I must be missing something. |
| 16:08.12 | patlabor221 | hmm sed isn't processing the file |
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| 16:11.28 | captain_proton | worktime |
| 16:11.39 | siggraph | playtime |
| 16:11.44 | captain_proton | bah! |
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| 16:22.18 | fiberchunks_ | ~google for 'fetchmail, qmail, mutt' |
| 16:23.57 | bryjen | fiberchunks_: http://catb.org/~esr/fetchmail/ |
| 16:30.12 | patlabor221 | fiber I have a plugin you will want for your blog. |
| 16:30.26 | fiberchunks_ | yeah, I got that, I'm still trying to figure out the entire system I need |
| 16:30.31 | fiberchunks_ | which plugin? |
| 16:30.50 | patlabor221 | it makes each newline in your text file come out as a <p></p> set |
| 16:30.57 | patlabor221 | so it keeps more of the formating |
| 16:31.22 | patlabor221 | auto_space.sh |
| 16:32.04 | fiberchunks_ | my text is html formatted already, so does it matter? |
| 16:32.19 | patlabor221 | ahhh, you put <BR>s in when you enter the text? |
| 16:32.33 | fiberchunks_ | ie. <p>some paragraph</p><p>another paragraph</p> |
| 16:32.40 | patlabor221 | then for you no |
| 16:32.41 | siggraph | ugh.. the wireless network is pegged -- too many users grr |
| 16:32.46 | patlabor221 | basicly this does it automaticly |
| 16:32.49 | fiberchunks_ | ah |
| 16:33.17 | fiberchunks_ | and within paragraphs, I put in <br />, yeah |
| 16:37.10 | david_v | [dmp]: hm :( |
| 16:38.26 | patlabor221 | hmmm now it's not working |
| 16:40.04 | david_v | [dmp]: at least calico and you should be able to play? calico is on quite often |
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| 16:41.20 | [dmp] | david_v: well, he was supposed to be there this sunday, but wasnt. And since i've havnt got a reply from him i doubt it. |
| 16:41.25 | david_v | bzgirl: hi, do you think your team would be able to match Fortix on Wednesday, 20:00 UTC? |
| 16:41.40 | david_v | we can flex the time if needed, i suppose |
| 16:41.49 | david_v | [dmp]: hmm k |
| 16:41.51 | bzgirl | david_v: im not sure what im doing in 10 minutes...let alone wednesday |
| 16:41.58 | bzgirl | but i will ask them |
| 16:42.12 | david_v | bzgirl: ok thanks. they can send me a message on the league site or pm me on bzbb or anything |
| 16:42.43 | bzgirl | ok, m1 and zwei are missing lately so whenever sniper or bamf are around we could play |
| 16:42.58 | david_v | got it |
| 16:43.16 | david_v | seems like people just disappear during the summer |
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| 16:46.18 | [dmp] | Clear for take-off, dave :-) |
| 16:46.24 | david_v | roger ;) |
| 16:46.30 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 16:46.43 | david_v | i used to do some flightsimming actually, btw |
| 16:46.57 | david_v | but, Linux caught me :) |
| 16:47.32 | [dmp] | I mean; it outta be easier to gather 4-8 people and just play, as it seems to abit too difficult to arrange matches. |
| 16:47.33 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 16:49.13 | bryjen | ~ducati6 |
| 16:49.22 | david_v | heh, Moles is back as #1 |
| 16:49.29 | david_v | TAF "only" on #2 :) |
| 16:49.40 | siggraph | moles played taf? |
| 16:49.52 | david_v | nope |
| 16:50.07 | david_v | not recently anyway |
| 16:52.16 | [dmp] | TAF lost aginst TLZ.. must be that. |
| 16:53.55 | david_v | hehe |
| 16:56.00 | david_v | my plans for tomorrow are rather scattered. need to practice now |
| 17:09.38 | prot-work | doodeedoo |
| 17:09.40 | prot-work | yay for tennis girls |
| 17:10.52 | siggraph | heh |
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| 17:34.55 | siggraph | hi bags |
| 17:35.25 | BagsAtWork | hey sig |
| 17:36.11 | BagsAtWork | hmmm, mutt and qmail.............spamassassin rocks though |
| 17:37.18 | BagsAtWork | no pictures please |
| 17:37.44 | BagsAtWork | unless it is pitchers |
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| 23:44.44 | [dmp] | patlabor221: you there? |
| 23:44.53 | [dmp] | or fiberchunks? |
| 23:47.31 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Removing the filename argument to the Texture constructor in CubeMap fixed the binding problem. Removing the try blocks and updating the TODO list. |
| 23:49.16 | scanline | captain_proton: hm.. the pyramid reflections are correct now, but sometimes I get parts of the cube map textures replaced by garbage |
| 23:50.23 | captain_proton | hmm, i see what you mean |
| 23:50.38 | fiberchunks_ | yes, what [dmp] |
