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| 00:44.01 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 00:50.24 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Yay, reflections work correctly |
| 00:54.15 | captain_proton | wheebie! |
| 00:54.41 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~Adam@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 00:54.47 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/correct_reflection.jpeg |
| 00:54.59 | scanline | captain_proton: I think it's a bug in nvidia's glCopyTexImage2D() |
| 00:55.15 | scanline | because it works perfectly when I replace that with glReadPixels()+glTexImage2D() |
| 00:55.58 | captain_proton | hmm, could be |
| 00:56.17 | scanline | so now we're correclty eating about 1.1MB of VRAM per pyramid :) |
| 00:56.53 | KTL__ | http://users.pandora.be/dpf/bzWorlds/ |
| 00:56.58 | scanline | should probably decrease the resolution of those cubemaps |
| 00:57.29 | scanline | KTL__: those thumbnails look familiar |
| 00:57.36 | KTL__ | :-) |
| 00:57.41 | KTL__ | a bit bigger |
| 00:57.52 | KTL__ | takes a lot of megs |
| 00:58.00 | scanline | KTL__: the new version of worldthumbnail.py has a lot of new features.. even has a simple HTML template doodad built in |
| 00:58.07 | KTL__ | :-) |
| 00:58.10 | KTL__ | lol |
| 00:58.34 | KTL__ | where can i get the most recent version? (or where is the cvs?) |
| 00:58.40 | scanline | it's in bzflag's cvs |
| 00:58.46 | KTL__ | ah????? |
| 00:58.48 | scanline | look at sfsnap |
| 00:58.56 | KTL__ | i missed something:-) |
| 00:59.40 | KTL__ | eeeejj all those nex dirs in the bflag cvs, pybzflag too, that's recent |
| 00:59.47 | KTL__ | (when...) |
| 00:59.50 | captain_proton | ...nex? |
| 01:00.01 | KTL__ | new |
| 01:00.04 | scanline | if you're using anonymous CVS you probably won't get the improved worldthumbnailer |
| 01:00.40 | KTL__ | ah that explains... anonymous doesn't get everything |
| 01:01.02 | scanline | well it does, but it's 24 hours or so out of date |
| 01:01.37 | KTL__ | Revision 1.4 / (as text) / (view) - annotate - [select for diffs] , Tue Jul 29 07:13:10 2003 UTC (17 hours, 47 minutes ago) by micahjd |
| 01:02.09 | scanline | well, try it.. if it has a --help command line option it's the new one |
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| 01:02.46 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (MovieRecorder.py): Fix indentation |
| 01:02.58 | KTL__ | wauw it expanded |
| 01:04.06 | scanline | lots of worlds in that directory of yours that look like they were generated from images |
| 01:04.56 | scanline | the way you did the captions it looks like they're for the world under the text rather than above it |
| 01:05.07 | bryjen | seen patlabor221 |
| 01:05.10 | bryjen | ~seen patlabor221 |
| 01:05.10 | | patlabor221 <~jeffm@208.48.199.214> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 7h 15m 30s ago, saying: 'naw, the iBrew'. |
| 01:05.42 | KTL__ | mmm, a border will do it |
| 01:09.10 | KTL__ | - Thumbnailing '/home/donf/dev/bzStuf/bzWorlds/maps/thecitadel.bzw' |
| 01:09.10 | KTL__ | - Thumbnailing '/home/donf/dev/bzStuf/bzWorlds/maps/tikal.bzw' |
| 01:09.10 | KTL__ | - Thumbnailing '/home/donf/dev/bzStuf/bzWorlds/maps/urban.bzw' |
| 01:09.10 | KTL__ | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 01:09.10 | KTL__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.11 | KTL__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.13 | KTL__ | IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'data/worldindex.html' |
| 01:09.13 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (CubeMap.py): Reduce default cubemap size to 128x128 to make pyramids less of a disgusting VRAM waste |
| 01:09.15 | KTL__ | :-) |
| 01:09.19 | KTL__ | a slash |
| 01:09.27 | KTL__ | or no |
| 01:09.35 | scanline | KTL__: hm? |
| 01:09.55 | KTL__ | it crashed while trying to write the index it seems |
| 01:10.01 | scanline | I see... |
| 01:10.07 | scanline | do you have data/worldindex.html? |
| 01:10.30 | KTL__ | data... that's a bzflag directory i guess |
| 01:10.38 | scanline | it should be in the pybzflag directory |
| 01:11.04 | scanline | you might not have it if you didn't update your CVS with -Pd |
| 01:11.33 | KTL__ | the dir exists, no html in it |
| 01:11.41 | scanline | cvs up -Pd |
| 01:11.57 | KTL__ | idd problem is i didn't get the sources with cvs |
| 01:12.05 | scanline | oh, sfsnap? |
| 01:12.43 | KTL__ | ? |
| 01:12.56 | scanline | how did you download it, if not by CVS or sfsnap? |
| 01:13.21 | KTL__ | i followed that link here aboe, ok that's sfsnap |
| 01:13.25 | KTL__ | above |
| 01:14.00 | scanline | ok, if you used sfsnap you should have that html file... let me check |
| 01:15.39 | KTL__ | to get the CVS... : cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@bzflag.sf.net:/cvsroot/bzflag login ? |
| 01:15.43 | scanline | I just downloaded the latest sfsnap and it does have the worldindex.html file |
| 01:15.58 | scanline | sfsnap is better than anoncvs, that will give you a copy at least 24 hours old |
| 01:18.30 | KTL__ | ah... so sfsnap is an alternative for cvs? |
| 01:18.42 | KTL__ | i mean in the development of a prog |
| 01:18.48 | scanline | no... |
| 01:18.54 | KTL__ | ok |
| 01:19.00 | scanline | sfsnap is just a script captain_proton runs to set up snapshots of the latest CVS automatically |
| 01:19.15 | scanline | but because sourceforge has server problems, it's the latest while anonymous CVS is old |
| 01:19.27 | scanline | the anonymous CVS is a different server than the ssh CVS that developers use |
| 01:21.57 | KTL__ | aha, and who maintains the real CVS then if it's not sf? |
| 01:23.15 | scanline | eh.. it is all sourceforge |
| 01:23.29 | scanline | but there are two servers, one for anonymous access, and one for members of the bzflag project |
| 01:23.48 | scanline | the anonymous server lags behind the other by a day or so |
| 01:24.24 | KTL__ | - Thumbnailing '/home/donf/dev/bzStuf/bzWorlds/maps/urban.bzw' |
| 01:24.24 | KTL__ | - Saving index to index.html |
| 01:24.27 | KTL__ | he saved it |
| 01:24.33 | KTL__ | but not in the maps map |
| 01:24.42 | KTL__ | ok ok |
| 01:24.44 | KTL__ | found |
| 01:25.06 | scanline | it's nothing fancy yet, just an example |
| 01:25.37 | KTL__ | hehe i finally see your page |
| 01:25.59 | scanline | :) |
| 01:26.34 | KTL__ | good idea to work with a template html |
| 01:26.43 | scanline | mmyep |
| 01:28.20 | KTL__ | euhm i want to be in my bed if that sun rises again this time, so bye |
| 01:28.28 | KTL__ | :-) |
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| 03:01.09 | Quol | anyone still awake? |
| 03:13.40 | scanline | boing! |
| 03:20.22 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): New team base code, minus the 2MB animated texture :) |
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| 03:25.38 | heinola | hello all |
| 03:26.30 | scanline | poing |
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| 03:53.44 | scanline | poing |
| 03:53.51 | Quol | boing |
| 03:54.00 | scanline | qoing! |
| 03:54.06 | Quol | froing |
| 03:54.20 | scanline | yoing! |
| 03:54.26 | Quol | zoing |
| 03:54.33 | scanline | meep! |
| 03:54.36 | Quol | lol |
| 03:54.41 | Quol | Jeep! |
| 03:54.52 | scanline | boing! |
| 03:55.05 | Quol | !gniob |
| 03:55.43 | Quol | what are you up to scanline? other than being silly with me |
| 03:56.08 | scanline | making the pybzflag team bases look cool, without using up huge amounts of video memory |
| 03:56.31 | Quol | ahhh - how's it coming? |
| 03:56.48 | scanline | well, this should work as soon as I figure out which glTexEnv mode I'm supposed to be using |
| 03:59.25 | Quol | will future version start using more python? |
| 04:00.34 | scanline | it would be hard for pybzflag to use more python than it already uses |
| 04:08.59 | Chikorita | has any1 tried Koba's mod version of xmission? |
| 04:09.07 | Chikorita | it lookz weally kewl |
| 04:09.10 | Quol | no |
| 04:09.20 | Quol | where is it - on xmission? |
| 04:09.34 | Quol | of is it just fpr download |
| 04:09.47 | Chikorita | an da bases r positioned in da cornerz (where dey should b) |
| 04:09.59 | Chikorita | nno it iz already up an runnin |
| 04:10.16 | Chikorita | c u there ;) |
| 04:11.01 | Quol | hmmm |
| 04:11.04 | Quol | can't connect |
| 04:11.21 | Quol | rebot time |
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| 05:18.47 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, lessee... |
| 05:19.14 | MrApathyCream | an occasional request, and a thousand checkins by scanline... yup pretty much usual today |
| 05:26.25 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (7 files in 5 dirs): New team base drawables |
| 05:27.40 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): MsgMessages from server should say [SERVER->] not [world weapon->] :) |
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| 05:50.35 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): MsgScore's come in pairs, so send both in the same packet |
| 06:02.29 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (Base.py): Implement bzflag's hack for base heights |
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| 06:54.28 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (ThreeDRender.py): |
| 06:54.28 | CIA | Removing a useless line of code in BackgroundRenderPass. |
| 06:54.28 | CIA | Diablo-D3: captain_proton is David Trowbridge! |
| 06:58.50 | scanline | fiberchunks: tea|tree's avatar on bzbb looks way too much like yours :) |
| 07:30.32 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/ThreeDRender (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/ThreeDRender added to the repository |
| 07:46.01 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/ThreeDRender (3 files): Separate the ThreeDRender module into two modules, for the core engine and for the render passes |
| 07:48.00 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/ThreeDRender (Pass.py): Disable background rendering when picking, since the background pass' depth values are not consistent with the rest of the scene |
| 07:58.17 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (3 files in 3 dirs): Added cube map information to the renderstate. Overlay objects are now hidden when rendering environment maps. |
| 08:09.37 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/ThreeDRender (Pass.py): Centralize and clean up the render priorities |
| 08:33.25 | Chestal | 1 |
| 08:34.17 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/ThreeDRender (.cvsignore): Poof, and this existed a new .cvsignore file |
| 08:35.29 | Chestal | hmm |
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| 09:03.19 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files): Rename list.py to serverlist.py |
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| 09:39.37 | [dmp] | ~d |
| 10:15.46 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Viewport (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Viewport added to the repository |
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| 10:35.05 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (6 files in 2 dirs): Split up Viewport into multiple modules to make dependency management more sane |
| 10:45.30 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Viewport (5 files): Rename viewport modules so the module names won't conflict with the class names |
| 10:47.57 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Viewport (2 files): Fix StereoGLViewport (I think...) |
| 10:51.46 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Viewport (GL.py): Clean up OpenGL attribute initialization a bit |
| 11:06.58 | fiberchunks_ | scanline: yea, I know ;) I don't mind, as long as he doesn't try and pass as me ;) |
| 11:07.16 | fiberchunks_ | a flurry of check-in activity! |
| 11:07.20 | scanline | :) |
| 11:07.29 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/tn/HiX_blue_team.jpeg.html |
| 11:08.43 | fiberchunks_ | 404 |
| 11:09.00 | scanline | shouldn't be.. that's pasted right out of my open galeon window |
| 11:09.18 | scanline | link works for me :) |
| 11:09.36 | fiberchunks_ | ah yeah, no capital X (/me scolds scanline for such a silly name with caps and all -- TSK TSK! ;) ) |
| 11:09.51 | fiberchunks_ | spiffy! |
| 11:10.09 | scanline | it's animated :) |
| 11:10.14 | scanline | the middle part spins and glows |
| 11:10.30 | fiberchunks_ | cool |
| 11:10.31 | scanline | if you have bandwidth to spare, captain_proton recorded a video of it |
| 11:10.38 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/animations/hix.avi |
| 11:10.44 | fiberchunks_ | I gotta go to work, regretfully :\ |
| 11:10.47 | scanline | hehe |
| 11:10.54 | scanline | I should do that soon too... |
| 11:11.09 | scanline | but I want to get this viewport cleaned up enough I can implement X-ray mode first :) |
| 11:11.24 | fiberchunks_ | xray mode?! I can't wait to see that |
| 11:11.34 | scanline | well, it's just like bzflag's depth complexity debug mode |
| 11:11.36 | scanline | but it looks better |
| 11:12.02 | scanline | I have it working in another copy of my local tree here, but I need to reorganize the viewport code to implement it cleanly |
| 11:12.16 | scanline | the stencil buffer is an amazing thing :) |
| 11:14.11 | fiberchunks_ | I'll talk to y'all probably tomorrow night - take it easy, and keep up the good work :) |
| 11:14.18 | scanline | hehe, see ya |
| 11:14.28 | fiberchunks_ | I expect to be playing with pybzflag in a matter of days, by the way ;) |
| 11:14.36 | scanline | =) |
| 11:14.49 | scanline | the way it's looking I'm defnitely looking forward to that too |
| 11:15.10 | fiberchunks_ | just make sure you use Herr Labor's tanks, those things are kick-ass |
| 11:15.15 | fiberchunks_ | later on |
| 11:15.22 | scanline | indeed, I'll have to get a copy of them |
| 11:15.25 | scanline | have fun at work |
| 11:15.43 | fiberchunks_ | lol -- that's an oxymoron, but I'll try ;) |
| 11:16.15 | fiberchunks_ | cya |
| 11:22.41 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Introduce the concept of viewport modes, using it to clean up the clearColor/wireframe mess |
| 11:23.15 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Viewport (.cvsignore): Shhhhh... |
| 11:25.08 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Viewport (GL.py): Properly restore the glClearColor when switching Viewport modes |
| 11:36.52 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Viewport (GL.py): X-Ray mode! |
| 11:38.18 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Viewport (GL.py): Make WireframeMode more consistent with XRayMode |
| 11:55.02 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/x-ray_mode.png |
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| 13:16.07 | [dmp] | "FarmerDating" .. hmm :-) |
| 13:32.38 | [TeA|TrEE] | Hello |
| 13:33.02 | [dmp] | Hi |
| 14:08.13 | KTL_ | 118-18 in the hasmark |
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| 14:17.15 | [dmp] | ~d |
| 14:52.47 | tea|tree | ~d |
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| 15:29.22 | bryjen | ~country .tk |
| 15:29.23 | | i guess country .tk is tokelau |
| 15:29.46 | bryjen | ~where-the-heck-is tokelau |
| 15:33.57 | [dmp] | ~country ee |
| 15:34.05 | [dmp] | ~country .ee |
| 15:34.05 | | from memory, country .ee is estonia |
| 15:35.15 | patlabor221 | you guys planing on traveling? |
| 15:35.57 | bryjen | Nah. Tokelau is a speck in the pacific that's sold out their TLD |
| 15:36.16 | patlabor221 | well do they need it? |
| 15:36.37 | bryjen | Too boost their income, apparently ;) |
| 15:37.07 | patlabor221 | I thought the hotdog stands were working out well for them tho. |
| 15:37.50 | bryjen | Was on a server last night with somebody whose CLIENTQUERY response had XL in it, they said they got it from bzflag.tk |
| 15:38.16 | patlabor221 | yeah a guy is making a cheat |
| 15:38.45 | patlabor221 | knightmare is puting up a new message board I think. |
| 15:39.05 | patlabor221 | he should change the version number as well as the query |
| 15:39.16 | bryjen | I figured as much. eh. its bzflagxl.tk and its 404 compliant |
| 15:41.48 | patlabor221 | I don't remember the URL to the boards, |
| 15:41.56 | patlabor221 | bzgirl did you still have that url? |
| 15:42.17 | bryjen | hmmm, the ip belongs to a comms company in the netherlands |
| 15:42.18 | bzgirl | what the cheater? |
| 15:42.24 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 15:42.24 | Quol | bryjen: http://www.z6.com/z6files/z6files/ind.htm |
| 15:43.40 | bryjen | Quol: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/tl.html same map |
| 15:44.24 | bryjen | not very helpful without reference points |
| 15:44.37 | bzgirl | patlabor221: no, cant find it, wasnt it on angelfire? |
| 15:44.57 | patlabor221 | I don't recall |
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| 15:45.14 | Quol | bryjen: there is also a niced one (but less info) here: http://plasma.nationalgeographic.com/mapmachine/ |
| 15:45.20 | Quol | *nicer* |
| 15:45.20 | tea|tree | hello ^^ |
| 15:47.03 | Quol | I kicked a cheater yesterday..... |
| 15:47.18 | Quol | the first encounter I had on my servers of cheating... |
| 15:47.52 | patlabor221 | shant be the last. |
| 15:48.08 | Quol | I bet |
| 15:48.16 | Chestal | Quol: can I /register on your server or do you use a shared admin password? |
| 15:48.28 | Quol | trying to find his IP now... |
| 15:48.37 | Quol | you can register if you want Chestal.... |
| 15:48.49 | Chestal | 'cause I want the power :-) |
| 15:49.34 | Quol | I was going to use the register stuff - |
| 15:49.42 | Quol | but with multiple servers it's a little frustrating |
| 15:49.55 | Quol | each admin has to register with multiple instances etc.... |
| 15:50.05 | Quol | I have to manage these instances :) |
| 15:50.26 | Chestal | yes, there is nogood solution yet |
| 15:50.50 | Chestal | what I do is that I have a plicy where peopel mst register on one of my servers |
| 15:51.01 | Chestal | and I copy the user and passwd file over for the other servers from time to time |
| 15:51.21 | Chestal | right now, you neec copies of the files |
| 15:51.47 | Chestal | one easy solution would be a read-only mode, hasn't been implemented yet, though |
| 15:53.06 | TimRiker | http://linux.ascii24.com/linux/allascii/linuxmag/articles/9910/p140-149.pdf |
| 15:53.15 | bryjen | Uh, *ahem*, there's a wiki page or something referencing bzflagxl.tk = http://www.bzflag.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ScooterIsHere?action=format |
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| 15:54.20 | patlabor221 | wow looks like he was domain name happy |
| 15:54.35 | bryjen | And I think the guy with the XL last night was blast |
| 15:59.41 | bryjen | heh. Wasted domains too #1 redirects to #3. #2 gives page not found. #3 is actually there. |
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| 16:04.34 | [dmp] | swedish-overflow :) |
| 16:05.56 | david_v | nice weather here :) |
| 16:06.02 | david_v | actually, it is. too hot, even |
| 16:06.10 | bzgirl | Elgen is Swedish also? |
| 16:06.23 | david_v | yes |
| 16:06.24 | david_v | and Sniper |
| 16:06.36 | bzgirl | sniper too? wow |
| 16:06.42 | bzgirl | i thought sniper was American ;-) |
| 16:06.51 | david_v | Elgen is supposedly meant to be "älgen" which means "the moose" :) |
| 16:06.57 | Sniper50 | is is a big nasty swede ;) |
| 16:07.04 | david_v | hey sniper hehe :) |
| 16:07.22 | david_v | how's the temperature over there? |
| 16:08.19 | Sniper50 | warm enough for lots of beer :) |
| 16:08.28 | david_v | heh |
| 16:08.45 | david_v | feels like 30 over here |
| 16:08.49 | david_v | maybe a bit more |
| 16:09.28 | david_v | the thermometer says 25, but whatever... |
| 16:16.10 | bryjen | grrr, does ibot not do temp conversions? |
| 16:16.20 | david_v | ~hot |
| 16:16.26 | TimRiker | anyone read the japanese pdf? |
| 16:16.27 | david_v | maybe, maybe not :) |
| 16:16.34 | captain_proton | ibot: convert 30 celcius to fahrenheit |
| 16:16.34 | [dmp] | mine says 37.8 :-( |
| 16:16.40 | david_v | hehe |
| 16:16.45 | david_v | that's about -0.5 |
| 16:16.47 | captain_proton | guess not |
| 16:16.56 | patlabor221 | it had lots of dots in it |
| 16:17.22 | captain_proton | TimRiker: i suppose no news on the dinah front? |
| 16:17.25 | david_v | oh -3.6 actually, whatever |
| 16:18.39 | TimRiker | captain_proton: nope. I keep asking for an email contact or even a phone# but nothing yet. |
| 16:18.48 | patlabor221 | cap you have time for a question? |
| 16:18.59 | captain_proton | wow... |
| 16:19.03 | TimRiker | patlabor221: xpdf with japanese support works ok. |
| 16:19.07 | captain_proton | screenshots of..e4? |
| 16:19.14 | captain_proton | or is that e3? |
| 16:21.55 | TimRiker | would you believe 1.7c ? |
| 16:22.38 | TimRiker | it was published in 1999, but I just found the online version now. |
| 16:22.53 | captain_proton | heh |
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| 16:24.00 | bryjen | i think the earliest version i ran was like 1.7d8. i think. |
| 16:25.12 | Quol | I found my cheater from last night: Player [SW]linuxrebel [5] has joined from 199.2.103.78 |
| 16:25.34 | patlabor221 | put a post in the banlist topic on BZBB |
| 16:25.57 | Quol | I will... |
| 16:26.41 | Quol | it would be interesting if we could centralize this banlist somehow - like DNS spam filtering does |
| 16:27.00 | patlabor221 | that would be nice |
| 16:27.06 | Quol | but then again - not fool proof and hard with DHCP based addresses |
| 16:27.06 | patlabor221 | master banlist server :) |
| 16:27.21 | patlabor221 | hell making at least a file would help |
| 16:27.44 | Quol | I think people were trying to get a master file going - that right? |
| 16:27.50 | Quol | weren't you one of them patlabor221 |
| 16:27.56 | tea|tree | Coal |
| 16:27.57 | patlabor221 | then have a web page where server admins can enter ips, and have it automake the file, and make a script that gets a new list every so often. |
| 16:28.03 | patlabor221 | no a banlist |
| 16:28.22 | Quol | right - a banlist file |
| 16:28.30 | Quol | something that could be downloaded? |
| 16:28.35 | patlabor221 | it would not be hard to hook one up |
| 16:29.00 | tea|tree | should great a programm where the server are listed and the players where u can conent straigt away to the server the starts auto the bzflag.exe and u can change your nicks there ... save server passwords etz etz |
| 16:29.00 | Quol | or were you thinking a web service that bzfs checks for updates and keeps a copy locally and checks call signs/IPs to |
| 16:29.05 | tea|tree | creat |
| 16:29.07 | patlabor221 | no a file |
| 16:29.13 | tea|tree | e |
| 16:29.25 | patlabor221 | but something that somone could automate if they wanted to |
| 16:29.33 | patlabor221 | something to auto update that file. |
| 16:29.39 | Quol | right... |
| 16:29.56 | Quol | and then one could script a simple little wget and cp |
| 16:30.56 | Quol | the bad thing about hard coded IP's is that a new player on the same ISP could get banned and think that BZ was just broken... |
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| 16:31.20 | Quol | hey BZSpiff |
| 16:31.25 | patlabor221 | that can hapen now |
| 16:31.25 | BZSpiff | Hey Quol. |
| 16:31.44 | patlabor221 | and that is why it should be optional |
| 16:32.07 | captain_proton | hmm, nifty |
| 16:32.11 | Quol | ya - I think it should always remian optional.... |
| 16:32.15 | captain_proton | IPv6 and IPv4 share port space |
| 16:32.27 | Quol | patlabor221 - a question for you... |
| 16:32.33 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:32.46 | Quol | is there a way of retaining the entered "ban list" when you restart the server? |
| 16:33.06 | Quol | what I mean is that my startup scripts I have a couple of bans |
| 16:33.11 | patlabor221 | no |
| 16:33.17 | Quol | that's what I though |
| 16:33.27 | Quol | thgought= - just was worth checking though |
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| 16:35.06 | Quol | hey JB |
| 16:35.19 | JBDiGriz | hiya |
| 16:36.28 | JBDiGriz | Did you get any sleep last night? |
| 16:43.06 | Quol | sleep?? |
| 16:43.08 | Quol | what's that |
| 16:43.35 | Quol | after we played, I was off to bed....BUT |
| 16:43.44 | JBDiGriz | That's what I figured! You must enjoy being a sysadmin! :-) |
| 16:43.57 | Quol | sometimes :) |
| 16:44.14 | Quol | I got a couple of hours though - had to install 3 new servers for this monring |
| 16:44.22 | Quol | I started that job @ 3:35AM |
| 16:44.51 | JBDiGriz | You were playing until 2AM! |
| 16:45.01 | Quol | finished around 6:00AM, slept from 6 - 9, and I am taking a little brake |
| 16:45.38 | Quol | ya - I know |
| 16:45.52 | Quol | I finished working around 12:30/1 or so |
| 16:46.09 | Quol | and that's when I started playing BZ - I couldn't go to bed yet - had to wind down |
| 16:46.20 | Quol | I am still chaking with stress from yesterday :) |
| 16:46.32 | Quol | chaking = shaking |
| 16:46.48 | Quol | I have to go in soon and put the servers into production |
| 16:46.50 | JBDiGriz | I don't miss those days. I still refuse to wear a pager. |
| 16:47.02 | Quol | ahhhhh lucky you |
| 16:47.23 | Quol | I have cell phones pagers, PDA's with internet access- they all page me - lol |
| 16:47.57 | Quol | this is the first time that I have encountered a tragedy like this while being the Director |
| 16:48.32 | Quol | I am not used to dealing with CEO's and CTO's from other companies that are realy pissed and are yelling and want HUGE discounts because we blew our SLA's |
| 16:49.03 | Quol | I like to just do the work and tell my boss - well, I told you so :) |
| 16:49.12 | Quol | can't do that now though - lol |
| 16:49.52 | JBDiGriz | That's the politics and responsibilities of management! It's a lot different from the technical side. |
| 16:50.29 | Quol | ya - I like to just sweat it out in the bunkers and ne left alone when this stuff happens though...now I have to do both |
| 16:50.58 | JBDiGriz | This is actually the easier side of it. Have you had to deal with personnel issues yet? |
| 16:51.04 | Quol | be in the bunkers - get everything working while the enemy is standing right nect to me with a Gun to my head :) |
| 16:51.29 | Quol | ohh yeah - remember my hiring issues a couple of weeks back - |
| 16:51.50 | Quol | that was due to personel issues |
| 16:52.06 | Quol | some of my staff weren't cutting it.. |
| 16:52.08 | JBDiGriz | I can deal with people yelling at me for a discount. That can be negotiated. |
| 16:52.20 | Quol | stressfull though |
| 16:52.30 | Quol | I have my CEO tellling me NO WAY |
| 16:52.41 | Quol | and I have the other CEO saying YES WAY |
| 16:52.53 | Quol | here I am in the middle - and it's over millions of dollats |
| 16:52.55 | Quol | dollars |
| 16:52.59 | Quol | millions |
| 16:53.08 | Quol | do you know what stress that causes |
| 16:53.10 | JBDiGriz | If you can get them on the same phone line, you can work a deal. |
| 16:53.17 | Quol | all my hair fell off yesterday :) |
| 16:53.55 | Quol | we are still totalling yesterday - but it cost us so far in the realm of 2.5 million or so |
| 16:53.59 | Quol | huge |
| 16:54.14 | Quol | luckily I had my but covered |
| 16:54.15 | JBDiGriz | Remember it's not your dollars, and it's all Canadian money anyway ;-) |
| 16:54.29 | Quol | lol - this is US though |
| 16:54.46 | Quol | CYA - you know that one JB? |
| 16:55.00 | Quol | Cover your A$$ |
| 16:55.06 | JBDiGriz | I know it well. I learned how to document everything early! |
| 16:55.25 | BZSpiff | Well... goodbye IRC. C-ya later. ;-) |
| 16:55.32 | Quol | see ya Spiffy |
| 16:56.15 | Quol | I had all the e-mails and plans and the ones that told me that it can't be done because it was too expensive... |
| 16:56.58 | Quol | the project that would would have have saved us from this mess would have cost around 500K |
| 16:57.06 | JBDiGriz | It's amazing how paper trails like that haunt upper management. |
| 16:57.18 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: How are the tennis girls today? |
| 16:57.22 | Quol | doesn't seem so bad now to my CEO now :) - lol |
| 16:57.27 | prot-work | ababsent |
| 16:57.50 | prot-work | err |
| 16:57.51 | prot-work | absent |
| 16:58.10 | JBDiGriz | I thought you were taking lessons from pat? |
| 16:58.13 | Quol | sure you can - just keep telling yourself that :) |
| 16:59.49 | patlabor221 | yes my spelling virus is a sucsess!!!!!! |
| 17:00.42 | JBDiGriz | I'll have to be careful, it seems to have crossed over onto macs :-) |
| 17:06.38 | bryjen | subliminal messages thru small pixel manipulations in bzflag client |
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| 17:40.49 | JBDiGriz | patlabor221: Was this more of your spelling virus? ;-) |
| 17:41.19 | patlabor221 | well no, since it's an organic virus, I don't think it affects computer systems |
| 17:41.29 | patlabor221 | unless they have IRC running on some biocomps |
| 17:41.43 | JBDiGriz | You're not supposed to know about that. |
| 17:42.24 | patlabor221 | you know why they name them after SF authors? |
| 17:42.42 | patlabor221 | cus each server is a clone of that authors brain. |
| 17:43.21 | bryjen | one is Einstein |
| 17:43.24 | JBDiGriz | That explains why there isn't a server for Ted Sturgeon, or Harlan Ellison. |
| 17:46.04 | patlabor221 | and the self packing data chunk class :) |
| 17:51.01 | patlabor221 | they are made out of rice ya know |
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| 19:56.19 | [dmp] | ~seen rooter |
| 19:56.20 | | rooter <[OcGAC9O1A@webguy.cc.westga.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 5h 23m 35s ago, saying: 'hello'. |
| 20:00.07 | [dmp] | ~d |
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| 20:09.04 | patlabor221 | hey chik |
| 20:09.25 | Chikorita | howdiee pat |
| 20:09.28 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 20:09.35 | patlabor221 | how goes it? |
| 20:09.54 | Chikorita | especially good taday :) |
| 20:09.58 | patlabor221 | coo |
| 20:10.23 | Chikorita | i did good on ducati |
| 20:10.24 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 20:10.42 | Chikorita | how r u pat? |
| 20:11.07 | patlabor221 | tad anoyied but I will live :) |
| 20:11.14 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 20:11.46 | Chikorita | i kno how dat iz |
| 20:11.51 | Chikorita | :P |
| 20:11.57 | patlabor221 | who who is? |
| 20:12.30 | Chikorita | i kno how it iz ta b annoyed.. buh i kno da cure |
| 20:12.48 | Chikorita | play bz an blow sum peeople upz an u wil feel betta ;) |
| 20:12.49 | patlabor221 | ahh how not who :) |
| 20:13.01 | patlabor221 | I'm at work, not exactly an option |
| 20:13.02 | Chikorita | uh huh |
| 20:13.05 | Chikorita | o i c |
| 20:13.27 | patlabor221 | 8->5 slave to the time clock |
| 20:13.42 | Chikorita | play in a lil tiny window ...an have a emergency screen saver ready jus in case da boss walks in ;) |
| 20:13.49 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 20:13.53 | patlabor221 | well then I would not hit anything |
| 20:13.55 | Chikorita | ugh time clocks ...hate dem |
| 20:14.09 | patlabor221 | well they make the money |
| 20:14.15 | patlabor221 | pay for the internet |
| 20:14.22 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 20:14.31 | patlabor221 | tho it's not like I have any real work to do. |
| 20:14.54 | Chikorita | i dunt even like ta wear watches |
| 20:15.02 | Chikorita | <<<no slave 2 time |
| 20:15.26 | patlabor221 | ohh I don't wear them ether |
| 20:15.38 | patlabor221 | and I am ALLLWAYS late for for work :) |
| 20:16.01 | Chikorita | wuts ur job pat ? if u dunt mind mee askin ..j/c |
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| 20:16.32 | Chikorita | mee 2 ! imm alwayz late ...even if i wake up early i stil go in late for sum crazee reason..:P |
| 20:16.53 | Chikorita | hi dmpee |
| 20:17.09 | patlabor221 | I am a programer |
| 20:17.12 | [dmp] | howdy |
| 20:17.13 | Chikorita | kewl |
| 20:17.25 | Chikorita | my dad was a programmer |
| 20:17.33 | patlabor221 | but I don't have any real work till our release is done. |
| 20:17.34 | Chikorita | wel ...den he was an analyst |
| 20:17.40 | Chikorita | o i c |
| 20:17.55 | patlabor221 | cus I'm done with all my stuff |
| 20:18.09 | Chikorita | kewl .. |
| 20:18.21 | Chikorita | feelz good ta have all ur homewerk done early :) |
| 20:18.28 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 20:18.58 | Chikorita | then u get ta mess wif da people who havent finished theirs ;) |
| 20:19.16 | Chikorita | u can annoy da annoyers heehe |
| 20:19.17 | patlabor221 | well can't do that here |
| 20:19.21 | JBDiGriz | It's not that simple in the programming world. |
| 20:19.23 | Chikorita | o i c |
| 20:19.50 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:19.54 | JBDiGriz | The pieces all have to interact, so others can claim that your stuff doesn't work. |
| 20:19.59 | patlabor221 | if a bug comes in I'll have to fix it |
| 20:20.00 | Chikorita | my dad he was an analyst an he got to like check an edit otha programmers werk stuff |
| 20:20.07 | patlabor221 | but it's horibly slow here now |
| 20:20.17 | Chikorita | ah |
| 20:20.21 | JBDiGriz | Calm before the storm of release. |
| 20:20.34 | Chikorita | r u a programmer too Jaybee? |
| 20:20.50 | JBDiGriz | I do contract programming and development. |
| 20:20.56 | Chikorita | did u get in touch wif learner? iz he ok? |
| 20:21.00 | patlabor221 | naw I'm just not in the crunch path this time. I'm feature complete, but 2 other guys arnt |
| 20:21.09 | patlabor221 | hell I even localised by tools. |
| 20:21.14 | patlabor221 | that's how bored I was. |
| 20:21.19 | JBDiGriz | He's fine, just went off to lunch, and is enjoying the pleasures of downtown. |
| 20:21.28 | Chikorita | kewl :) :) |
| 20:21.44 | Chikorita | ya itz nice out here taday ,,,i ate mah lunch outside |
| 20:22.06 | JBDiGriz | I'm getting ready for a release as well, on this embedded system, but the windows guys are claiming that the communications paths don't work. |
| 20:22.16 | Chikorita | wel pat i wish da best an success on ur new software release :) |
| 20:22.30 | patlabor221 | ohh my stuff will work :) |
| 20:22.59 | patlabor221 | my stuff is simple compared to the pathgen stuff |
| 20:23.05 | JBDiGriz | My stuff works great with linux/mac/... on the other end. It's just the windows application that seems to have problems. |
| 20:23.07 | patlabor221 | tht's some nasy stuff |
| 20:23.19 | JBDiGriz | So naturally the embedded system needs to be fixed. |
| 20:23.32 | patlabor221 | tell em to stuff it |
| 20:23.57 | patlabor221 | I'm just waitin for our UI to tank |
| 20:23.58 | Chikorita | lol |
| 20:24.00 | patlabor221 | cus I know it will |
| 20:24.13 | JBDiGriz | They're willing to pay me my hourly rate to point out things like this nasty windows dialog box which asks me to tell M$ about the problem. |
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| 20:24.32 | Chikorita | hi ginku biloba :) |
| 20:24.34 | patlabor221 | or you could just hit F7 and debug it |
| 20:24.44 | [TLZ]Ginku | hello :-) |
| 20:25.22 | JBDiGriz | I've done that, and pointed out some other problems which were fixed. Now they expect me to debug all of that code. |
| 20:25.36 | patlabor221 | sounds like our lazy programers |
| 20:25.44 | Chikorita | alt F4 works too ;) |
| 20:25.47 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 20:25.48 | patlabor221 | ok we the 2 lasy ones |
| 20:25.53 | JBDiGriz | The other developers feel that the windows program should be completely rewritten in a linux development environment. |
| 20:26.12 | JBDiGriz | There's only one windows programmer. |
| 20:26.17 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 20:26.27 | patlabor221 | our app would drive you insane :) |
| 20:26.48 | patlabor221 | it uses the mac classic API |
| 20:26.51 | JBDiGriz | I have been on some pretty unusual projects over the years. |
| 20:26.52 | patlabor221 | but dosn't run on a mac. |
| 20:27.20 | patlabor221 | yet it uses mac resources |
| 20:27.36 | JBDiGriz | rotflmao, who made that decision? |
| 20:27.44 | patlabor221 | we used to be mac only |
| 20:28.16 | patlabor221 | so we have a windows native implimentation of the mac API now, complete with resource readers. |
| 20:28.47 | JBDiGriz | Wouldn't it have been easier to choose a development environment which eased the transition? |
| 20:28.59 | patlabor221 | all resources start on the mac, are converted to res scripts, recompiled on the PC in a data fork format, then used by the app to create windows and controlls |
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| 20:29.17 | patlabor221 | for this app we started mac and dos |
| 20:29.26 | patlabor221 | so we had to draw all our own stuff anyway |
| 20:29.37 | patlabor221 | so we had a dos implementation of the mac API |
| 20:29.41 | patlabor221 | was the easyest at the time |
| 20:29.56 | patlabor221 | then we ported that dos implemenation to windows ( still drawing all our own stuff ). |
| 20:30.13 | patlabor221 | for this release we are maping mac calls to win32 calls on an controll level |
| 20:30.16 | patlabor221 | it's "fun" |
| 20:30.18 | JBDiGriz | The maintenance has to be an absolute nightmare at this point. |
| 20:30.53 | patlabor221 | its still easer to maintain then the time we would use redoing it all from scratch |
| 20:31.09 | JBDiGriz | So you're using the Mac API from System 6 or so? |
| 20:31.14 | patlabor221 | the idea now is, since all he mac calls are maped to windows calls, we can start converting stuff peice meal |
| 20:31.23 | patlabor221 | yeah from 6 |
| 20:31.33 | patlabor221 | with collor quickdraw :) |
| 20:31.37 | JBDiGriz | That's a lot easier than 7! |
| 20:31.42 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:32.12 | patlabor221 | I had to make a MFC version of resedit onece :) |
| 20:32.20 | JBDiGriz | I worked for a company that emulated 6 on various Unix platforms. Apple basically killed us with 7, and then released their own emulation. |
| 20:32.39 | patlabor221 | well we don't emulate, it's just the same API |
| 20:32.42 | patlabor221 | well sameish |
| 20:32.53 | JBDiGriz | The founders weren't willing to negotiate with Apple to buy the company. Big Mistake! |
| 20:33.01 | patlabor221 | tho we have a lot of native calls |
| 20:33.08 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 20:33.27 | JBDiGriz | You can guess what I was pushing for ;-) |
| 20:33.40 | patlabor221 | up untill very recently we had about 50 calls to "MoreMasters()" in our main :) |
| 20:34.18 | JBDiGriz | Do you still have the Mac programmers around, or have they all moved on to other things? |
| 20:34.33 | patlabor221 | we didn't have any mac only programers |
| 20:34.36 | patlabor221 | they did both |
| 20:34.46 | patlabor221 | so they just transitioned with us all |
| 20:34.54 | patlabor221 | since it was the same codebase |
| 20:34.56 | patlabor221 | not a hard change |
| 20:35.01 | patlabor221 | just the dev environ |
| 20:35.21 | patlabor221 | we just use the macs now for resouce building |
| 20:35.25 | patlabor221 | but that will end soon |
| 20:39.31 | patlabor221 | it was sad when we droped the mac version |
| 20:39.35 | patlabor221 | but noone was buying it |
| 20:39.42 | patlabor221 | and there was no parasolid kernel for it |
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| 20:40.43 | JBDiGriz | Do you have marketing types who can watch for changes in the market? |
| 20:40.54 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:41.01 | patlabor221 | whole room of them |
| 20:41.19 | patlabor221 | macs have never been that popular in the machining industry |
| 20:42.06 | JBDiGriz | I thought a couple of large companys were using macs, but they had their own modeling software. |
| 20:42.18 | patlabor221 | there may be a couple |
| 20:42.26 | patlabor221 | but it's not widespread in the jobshops |
| 20:42.30 | patlabor221 | we don't do modeling |
| 20:42.40 | patlabor221 | we are the gritty grimy machining part |
| 20:43.14 | patlabor221 | most comptuers that run our sofware are grease stained and sticky :/ |
| 20:43.46 | JBDiGriz | You could have a lot of fun with the testing lab. Have you created a model bz tank yet? |
| 20:44.02 | patlabor221 | we don't have any CNC machines here sadly |
| 20:44.12 | patlabor221 | but I have imported the BZ tank and made it a solid. |
| 20:44.28 | patlabor221 | it could be machined if we had the CNCs here |
| 20:44.33 | patlabor221 | but they are large and heavy |
| 20:44.36 | JBDiGriz | Too bad! A number of people would probably have bought one to paint in their favorite colors! |
| 20:44.56 | patlabor221 | ohh I could get some made |
| 20:45.00 | patlabor221 | would not be hard. |
| 20:46.10 | JBDiGriz | Maybe we should think about that for some bz awards? |
| 20:46.59 | patlabor221 | to do it proper I'd have to remodel parts of it |
| 20:47.09 | patlabor221 | round off the round parts and stuff |
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| 22:10.19 | siggraph | hello ladies |
| 22:11.16 | Chikorita | hi |
| 22:11.20 | Chikorita | L? |
| 22:11.38 | Chikorita | heh |
| 22:12.09 | JBDiGriz | It's ok to wave to learner and the others, I don't mind! ;-) |
| 22:12.52 | siggraph | hehe |
| 22:19.15 | Chikorita | grml |
| 22:19.18 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 22:21.42 | siggraph | heh, sry cap -- just two more days |
| 22:22.03 | prot-work | two more days of AGONIZING AGONY! |
| 22:22.13 | siggraph | here's something you might like: http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~graphics/GLOD/npp_html/index.html |
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| 22:22.53 | bzdoug | hah, got the linux router up and running.. :) |
| 22:23.11 | prot-work | mm, interesting |
| 22:23.20 | patlabor221 | perhaps that would be best suited for #Irunlinxuxandnoonecares |
| 22:23.30 | david_v | heyyyy |
| 22:23.40 | siggraph | lol, pat |
| 22:23.47 | bzdoug | david_v: trust me, they dont :) |
| 22:23.59 | david_v | bzdoug: but i do :) |
| 22:24.02 | patlabor221 | least when doug is concerned |
| 22:24.07 | david_v | heh |
| 22:24.29 | Chikorita | david dat mah cd playa u hear :) im play heather nova stuff |
| 22:25.16 | david_v | Chikorita: i wasn't saying i was *playing* music, i just thought the word "Linux" was music :) |
| 22:25.55 | Chikorita | o lol |
| 22:26.09 | Chikorita | falsetto in D minor ? |
| 22:26.12 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 22:26.15 | david_v | good ears :) |
| 22:26.17 | Chikorita | lalalala |
| 22:26.22 | JBDiGriz | david_v: Are you over 18? |
| 22:26.31 | david_v | you mean if i am allowed to sing? :) |
| 22:26.42 | JBDiGriz | No, are you minor or major? |
| 22:26.48 | david_v | hehe |
| 22:27.00 | siggraph | I'm flat |
| 22:27.11 | JBDiGriz | TMI!!!! |
| 22:28.03 | siggraph | touch my interface? :) |
| 22:28.20 | david_v | http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/enterprise/story/0,2000048640,20276662,00.htm |
| 22:28.30 | JBDiGriz | too much information. I don't want to hear about your personal complaints. ;-) |
| 22:28.34 | *** kick/#bzflag [siggraph!~jeffm@208.48.199.214] by patlabor221 (no ditry talk here.) |
| 22:29.04 | bzdoug | lol |
| 22:29.08 | JBDiGriz | patlabor221: I don't think he got the reference. |
| 22:29.28 | patlabor221 | well he's flaunting his sigraphness :) |
| 22:29.38 | Chikorita | lol |
| 22:29.50 | patlabor221 | and he should have autojoin on |
| 22:30.17 | Chikorita | i tink hje had ta go anywayzz |
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| 22:30.23 | Chikorita | -j |
| 22:30.27 | Chikorita | brb |
| 22:30.31 | bzgirl | what is a siggraph anyhow? |
| 22:30.45 | patlabor221 | it's a confrence on cool computer math stuff |
| 22:30.53 | bzgirl | ahh |
| 22:30.53 | JBDiGriz | Special Interest Group, Graphics |
| 22:31.16 | patlabor221 | i's a bunch of math geeks that have a party |
| 22:31.23 | patlabor221 | and talk about dot products |
| 22:31.55 | david_v | maths is nice... i'll be doing quite a lot of it the following year |
| 22:32.03 | JBDiGriz | http://www.siggraph.org/ |
| 22:32.14 | patlabor221 | physics is phun |
| 22:32.18 | JBDiGriz | learner is attending the annual conference in San Diego |
| 22:36.16 | Chikorita | hey i did physic 4 phun in high skool |
| 22:36.36 | Chikorita | i did da egg drop from da window contest |
| 22:36.41 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 22:36.52 | Chikorita | ooH LAN party... |
| 22:37.01 | JBDiGriz | Applied physics can be lots of fun, but I don't want to get kicked by pat! |
| 22:37.18 | patlabor221 | you have autojoin on, you would come right back :) |
| 22:37.19 | prot-work | applied physics? :) |
| 22:37.32 | Chikorita | dey also had da lazer-mirror target contest which was kinda neet |
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| 22:38.44 | patlabor221 | damn enet dosn't have any utilities to put data into network byte order |
| 22:39.34 | patlabor221 | ohh I'm just blind |
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| 22:44.09 | tea|tree | hui |
| 22:46.19 | Chikorita | hi teatreee |
| 22:48.18 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 22:48.59 | Chikorita | hmm |
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| 23:00.34 | tea|tree | ~ |
| 23:00.39 | tea|tree | ~ |
| 23:00.41 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 23:00.44 | patlabor221 | ! |
| 23:00.52 | tea|tree | ? |
| 23:00.57 | patlabor221 | $ |
| 23:01.03 | tea|tree | 3 |
| 23:01.06 | tea|tree | § |
| 23:01.17 | patlabor221 | ha you lose :) |
| 23:01.21 | tea|tree | :( |
| 23:01.29 | tea|tree | 1 am here |
| 23:02.25 | patlabor221 | no excuse, this is why they make redbull :) |
| 23:02.42 | tea|tree | lol |
| 23:02.45 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 23:02.51 | tea|tree | did u drink that before? |
| 23:03.34 | patlabor221 | ohh yeah |
| 23:03.39 | patlabor221 | good with vodka |
| 23:06.03 | tea|tree | vodka bull |
| 23:06.10 | tea|tree | expensive |
| 23:06.17 | patlabor221 | yeah it is |
| 23:06.42 | patlabor221 | but it wakes you up |
| 23:06.53 | tea|tree | not for long thow |
| 23:07.15 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 23:07.27 | tea|tree | holds 1 hour awake |
| 23:07.41 | patlabor221 | hence why you have multiples |
| 23:07.55 | tea|tree | ? |
| 23:08.22 | patlabor221 | one each hour |
| 23:08.33 | tea|tree | whats the stats page for the bzflag channel |
| 23:08.35 | tea|tree | lol |
| 23:08.40 | patlabor221 | ~log |
| 23:08.41 | | methinks log is as piece of wood |
| 23:08.45 | patlabor221 | ~logs |
| 23:08.45 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 23:08.51 | tea|tree | thx |
| 23:09.07 | patlabor221 | ibot is a smartass |
| 23:09.07 | | no idea, patlabor221 |
| 23:09.22 | patlabor221 | ~shut it! |
| 23:09.49 | JBDiGriz | you killed her! |
| 23:10.00 | patlabor221 | ~who is your daddy? |
| 23:10.00 | | YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 23:10.05 | patlabor221 | naw she's coo |
| 23:10.49 | tea|tree | ~sucker |
| 23:10.54 | tea|tree | ibot sucks |
| 23:10.55 | | If you got $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 23:11.01 | JBDiGriz | She better be careful what she calls you. The admins don't like dirty talk around here. |
| 23:11.02 | tea|tree | huh? |
| 23:11.36 | patlabor221 | ibot gets special treatment |
| 23:11.36 | | patlabor221: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:11.41 | patlabor221 | as you see, she's an admin :) |
| 23:11.51 | TimRiker | she? |
| 23:11.58 | tea|tree | hey Rim |
| 23:12.04 | patlabor221 | we determined ibot was female |
| 23:12.08 | tea|tree | TimRiker |
| 23:12.26 | tea|tree | 17 Jahr Blondes Haar |
| 23:12.35 | tea|tree | Udo Juergens |
| 23:12.39 | tea|tree | know him |
| 23:12.46 | patlabor221 | well just buy her dinner first |
| 23:13.06 | TimRiker | and then what for my wife? |
| 23:13.15 | JBDiGriz | Doctor's don't need to buy their patients dinner. |
| 23:13.22 | patlabor221 | well nice ones do |
| 23:13.37 | patlabor221 | they at least ask nice |
| 23:13.40 | JBDiGriz | Good ones don't! ;-) |
| 23:14.04 | TimRiker | patlabor221: I got an email from Greg Alkire with a new hix map. he said you had "issues" with the current map. are there still issues? |
| 23:14.15 | patlabor221 | I had issues? |
| 23:14.25 | patlabor221 | I don't recall any issues |
| 23:14.29 | patlabor221 | ohh, they had issues |
| 23:14.34 | TimRiker | his has a raised drive/shoot through pyramid, bases in the corners, etc. interesting map. |
| 23:14.35 | patlabor221 | and were just complaining about it |
| 23:14.54 | patlabor221 | and I told him to make a fix and just submit it to you, instead of just complaining all the time :) |
| 23:14.55 | TimRiker | what are the complaints? |
| 23:15.02 | patlabor221 | spawn points |
| 23:15.15 | patlabor221 | let me find the post on it :) |
| 23:15.41 | TimRiker | his new map is kinda nice, not sure how it plays. I think the teleports are odd, but he should submit it to the world tracker and get some admins to try it out. |
| 23:16.01 | patlabor221 | I will let him know |
| 23:16.30 | patlabor221 | dangit I can't find that post |
| 23:16.31 | TimRiker | I emailed him asking what the issues were, not I've tried his map, I'll email him again about that. |
| 23:16.32 | patlabor221 | I know it's there |
| 23:16.35 | tea|tree | u are crazy |
| 23:16.44 | TimRiker | ~fishslap tea|tree |
| 23:16.46 | | ACTION slaps tea|tree up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:16.50 | tea|tree | iiih |
| 23:16.55 | tea|tree | thats owfull |
| 23:17.00 | tea|tree | lol |
| 23:17.03 | tea|tree | but funny |
| 23:17.06 | TimRiker | ~spell owfull |
| 23:17.08 | | possible spellings for owfull: ow full ow-full awfully awful Ofella full awfuller offal overfull ovule EFL woefully Ofilia fill fully infill woeful afoul owl refill Orville Odell Orwell |
| 23:17.12 | tea|tree | hmmm |
| 23:17.17 | tea|tree | shut it ;) |
| 23:17.25 | JBDiGriz | offal sounds right in that context |
| 23:17.40 | tea|tree | ~spell TimRiker |
| 23:17.40 | | possible spellings for TimRiker: Tricker Trike Timider Timelier Trickier Trucker Mirier Toymaker Tinker Striker Timer Tracker Trekker Trier Trigger Mimicker Tiebreaker Murkier Trimer Timmie Ticker Triked Trikes Turmeric Truckee Timber Triter Tamika Tamiko Torrider Murker |
| 23:17.45 | tea|tree | muhaha |
| 23:17.46 | TimRiker | ~spell iiih |
| 23:17.46 | | possible spellings for iiih: iii ii Isiah viii xiii NIH lii vii xii Irish IOU ooh Isiahi Iain Itch Ivie ilia itch Kiah high nigh sigh Io OH oh uh HI Hi hi Iris Isis ibid ibis inch iris Gish I Mich Rich Tish dish fish i kith pith rich wish with |
| 23:17.52 | tea|tree | oh god |
| 23:18.01 | TimRiker | ~spell god |
| 23:18.01 | | 'god' may be spelled correctly |
| 23:18.01 | tea|tree | this is going to far |
| 23:18.16 | tea|tree | ~ |
| 23:18.21 | tea|tree | ~spell engel |
| 23:18.22 | | possible spellings for engel: Engel Angel angel Engels en gel en-gel Angle angle Angela Angele Angeli Angelo encl |
| 23:18.24 | patlabor221 | here it is |
| 23:18.25 | JBDiGriz | ~god |
| 23:18.26 | | from memory, god is a llama, or real unless declared integer |
| 23:18.36 | TimRiker | hehehe |
| 23:18.36 | patlabor221 | it started with a post on Xmission not having enough admins |
| 23:18.37 | patlabor221 | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=885 |
| 23:19.19 | patlabor221 | and here is his comments on the map it'self http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=913 |
| 23:21.04 | tea|tree | geeesh menotume <-- that pic who is "that" |
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| 23:22.58 | patlabor221 | 10364 posts, that's a lot of messages |
| 23:24.33 | TimRiker | patlabor221: thanx. |
| 23:24.55 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 23:25.32 | patlabor221 | it's what we board admins do.... well that and yell at 12 year old punks. |
| 23:26.27 | TimRiker | heh. |
| 23:27.11 | TimRiker | well hix could use some improvements. I'm not sure I like the teleport highway. I left teleporters in hix and hix2 just for elevators but not for jumping around. |
| 23:27.43 | TimRiker | I'm not a fan of drive through anything, so the raised pyr is not my style. |
| 23:27.44 | prot-work | time to go home, i think |
| 23:28.07 | patlabor221 | isn't Xmission running 1.9? |
| 23:28.08 | TimRiker | the map should be very playable though, I might start xmission on a rotation sometime to get some play out of other maps. |
| 23:28.16 | TimRiker | there are 2 servers on xmission. |
| 23:28.20 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 23:28.28 | TimRiker | 5155 is 1.7 and 5156 is 1.9 |
| 23:28.32 | patlabor221 | well the 1.9 one won't have a drive thru pyramid :) |
| 23:28.42 | TimRiker | true true |
| 23:29.20 | patlabor221 | I did want to try something with solid upside down pyramids that were driveable, that may make an interesting "road" |
| 23:31.22 | TimRiker | the new irc java gateway is not http proxy friendly. I can't use it and I know others that used the php version just because they could get to it from inside a firewall. |
| 23:31.47 | TimRiker | patlabor221: sounds interesting. go for it. |
| 23:32.18 | TimRiker | http://stats.bzflag.org/ircchat.php <- non-http-proxy java irc client |
| 23:32.20 | patlabor221 | well I need to think about it more, updside down pyramids should not be a basis for a map :) |
| 23:32.51 | TimRiker | 4 pyrs combined could make a base base |
| 23:34.45 | patlabor221 | yeah it could be interesting |
| 23:34.57 | patlabor221 | I may make a CTF version of my rabbit map |
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