| 00:00.02 | KR | my initials |
| 00:00.09 | david_v | how... simple :) |
| 00:00.10 | Merry | hmmm |
| 00:00.13 | Chikorita | hiya KayAre |
| 00:00.17 | david_v | almost as low as my nick ;) |
| 00:00.18 | Merry | lol |
| 00:00.20 | Chikorita | lol kreaky rat |
| 00:00.33 | KR | yes, I'm a simple man who enjoys simple things... and good beer |
| 00:00.38 | Merry | what starts with a K... |
| 00:00.40 | david_v | of course :) |
| 00:00.53 | Merry | let's look it up |
| 00:00.57 | KR | words? |
| 00:00.58 | Merry | .....then again.... |
| 00:01.06 | Merry | I don't feel like it |
| 00:01.07 | david_v | Killer Rat |
| 00:01.09 | KR | cars start with a Key |
| 00:01.11 | Merry | lol |
| 00:01.13 | Chikorita | krazy Rodent |
| 00:01.18 | Merry | Karson? |
| 00:01.35 | KR | krikey rastaman |
| 00:01.45 | Chikorita | Krappy Runner-of-da-flag LoL |
| 00:01.47 | david_v | hm, something i'd guess in two minutes surely :) |
| 00:01.56 | Merry | How do you pernounce that? |
| 00:02.09 | Merry | stephanie perik |
| 00:02.20 | KR | i gave up pernouncing - doc said it was bad fer me liver... |
| 00:02.27 | david_v | hehe |
| 00:02.29 | Chikorita | lol |
| 00:02.43 | Merry | lol |
| 00:02.48 | KR | King Runner-of-de-flag |
| 00:02.56 | Merry | Mine is as I said Stephanie Marie Perik |
| 00:02.58 | Chikorita | wow did yall read dmpee's ctf goodbye post? |
| 00:03.05 | Chikorita | i jus read it |
| 00:03.07 | KR | no! where? |
| 00:03.15 | Chikorita | 2 bad imma miss him :( |
| 00:03.18 | Merry | no |
| 00:03.18 | david_v | Chikorita: i replied to it |
| 00:03.24 | Chikorita | i kno |
| 00:03.29 | david_v | well he said he would continue playing, but without using his nick |
| 00:03.30 | Merry | where's he going? |
| 00:03.34 | Chikorita | i didnt tink it was DAT bad either on ducati |
| 00:03.41 | david_v | no |
| 00:04.04 | Chikorita | i mean , sure itz got sum meanies , buh u jus hafta deal wif dem , an not run away from sumtin u luv |
| 00:04.09 | david_v | i think he has seen much more than i have, so i was slightly shocked |
| 00:04.17 | KR | where is the post? |
| 00:04.26 | KR | tell your King now! |
| 00:04.30 | david_v | bzbb under League i think, let me see |
| 00:04.40 | Merry | I'm reading something of his but Chick, ur not in it |
| 00:04.45 | Merry | It's not under league |
| 00:04.47 | Chikorita | lol kr |
| 00:04.51 | Merry | I just checked there |
| 00:04.52 | david_v | wrong under Players |
| 00:05.07 | Chikorita | no i didnt type a reply ... |
| 00:05.18 | Merry | oh then I read that |
| 00:05.35 | KR | got it thx |
| 00:05.51 | Chikorita | itz up 2 dmpee ..wut he gonna do , i jus gonna miss him if he duz decide 2 go 4eva |
| 00:06.09 | Merry | ya |
| 00:06.11 | Chikorita | thingz change .. |
| 00:06.15 | Chikorita | dey alwayz do |
| 00:06.20 | Merry | he's got answers for probs |
| 00:06.25 | Chikorita | sumtime 4 da betta , sumtime not.. |
| 00:06.42 | Chikorita | i like ducati , it'll take alot 2 make mee go |
| 00:07.16 | Merry | me too |
| 00:07.19 | Chikorita | mean peepz jus make mee enjoy shootin dem even more LoL |
| 00:07.53 | Chikorita | i dunt tink im 2 hard on noobies am i? |
| 00:08.05 | Chikorita | i alwayz play wif dem |
| 00:08.12 | Merry | LoL |
| 00:08.19 | david_v | well put it this way, i *hated* my first weeks with BZflag :) |
| 00:08.22 | Merry | what do you mean? |
| 00:08.26 | Merry | me too |
| 00:08.28 | Chikorita | i dunt switch sides like sum peeple do jus cuz da otha side iz stronger |
| 00:08.32 | Merry | I was horribible |
| 00:08.33 | david_v | so i don't think it mattered if i was treated "easily" or not |
| 00:08.59 | Merry | I don't unless the team I'm on has more people then the other team |
| 00:09.08 | Chikorita | wel wen i was a noobie i made mistakes buh i learned quick an watched othaz play |
| 00:09.36 | david_v | well it's not just about some mistakes. if you look at some, they just sit there |
| 00:09.38 | KR | wow - but not too suprised - i know dmp hasn't been having fuin lately |
| 00:09.43 | Merry | hey guys just a question.... |
| 00:09.46 | david_v | moving very slowly or so |
| 00:09.51 | Chikorita | yea |
| 00:09.54 | david_v | KR: how so? |
| 00:10.07 | david_v | i haven't seen him on much, but... this surprised me |
| 00:10.13 | Chikorita | yea |
| 00:10.18 | Merry | do you guys like Knightmare's avaetar (however you spell that) |
| 00:10.31 | david_v | avatar. i don't know who Knightmare is on the other hand |
| 00:10.44 | david_v | checking |
| 00:10.50 | KR | well, like ski and me and several others - sometimes it's just a drag to play because of some people |
| 00:11.12 | Merry | go onto bzbb |
| 00:11.15 | Merry | and check |
| 00:11.18 | Merry | it |
| 00:11.26 | david_v | well that's what i'm doing already heh |
| 00:11.36 | Merry | do youu guys know what it means? |
| 00:11.36 | Chikorita | jus hafta deal wif it ...or jus ignore dem dats all |
| 00:11.42 | david_v | oh actually i've seen this one before |
| 00:11.48 | KR | I think the change has happened in the past few months, because I've seen a difference since the beginning of the year when I started bz |
| 00:11.49 | Merry | do youu guys know what it means? |
| 00:11.55 | david_v | yes... |
| 00:12.12 | david_v | if it is what it looks like |
| 00:12.34 | Merry | the boy is pointing UP with his middle finger |
| 00:12.42 | Merry | that's a swear word |
| 00:12.47 | david_v | KR: i just don't understand it still. i've never seen these problems myself |
| 00:12.48 | Chikorita | ooH LoL dat avatar |
| 00:13.00 | Merry | and he's pointing it God |
| 00:13.10 | KR | that was dmp or a Z's avatar I think on league site |
| 00:13.19 | Chikorita | umm |
| 00:13.46 | KR | david - I've been on when spiff and carnage stopped playing to argue |
| 00:13.50 | david_v | KR: do those problems happen regularly? |
| 00:14.00 | Chikorita | wel i dunt c any serious problems , xcept 4 cheaters an peeple who cuss an annoy othaz |
| 00:14.00 | david_v | Spiff and Carnage? sigh... |
| 00:14.03 | KR | seemed to be almost constant fopr a few weeks there |
| 00:14.13 | KR | less in the past week or two |
| 00:14.15 | david_v | i just don't get it. must be the times i'm on |
| 00:14.22 | Chikorita | ooh those 2 eh |
| 00:14.27 | Chikorita | *sigh* |
| 00:14.32 | david_v | i've never seen any of it. if i had, i would probably have got rather mad |
| 00:14.41 | Chikorita | wut do dey fight about? itz jus silly |
| 00:14.45 | KR | you need to come on more - I alwyas know that you are a good payer and will give team help or good compettition :) |
| 00:14.54 | KR | ^player |
| 00:14.57 | david_v | hmm, yes and no |
| 00:15.03 | david_v | i just feel i suck more and more. endless loop |
| 00:15.13 | david_v | soon i'll be worse than newbies :) |
| 00:15.21 | KR | just calling names and dumb testosterone teen boy stuff |
| 00:15.30 | david_v | Spiff too? |
| 00:15.49 | david_v | oh my... |
| 00:15.57 | Chikorita | lol davy no dunt say dat u r good |
| 00:15.57 | KR | yeah - spiff goads carnage on at times, and won't stop prodding at him |
| 00:16.05 | Merry | Spiff? |
| 00:16.10 | Merry | you're kidding!! |
| 00:16.20 | david_v | well he's rather young actually |
| 00:16.24 | Chikorita | itz tru , sumtimez spiff jus like 2 argue |
| 00:16.26 | david_v | has a temper too i think when it comes to it |
| 00:16.27 | patlabor221 | learner or jbd, is there a graphical ssh scp client for the mac? |
| 00:16.29 | KR | not every time, but I have seen it that way when it gets bad |
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| 00:16.37 | Merry | he's 15]\ |
| 00:16.43 | Merry | hi doug\ |
| 00:16.44 | david_v | something like it |
| 00:16.59 | Chikorita | an carny he iz arrogant also ...buh he iz arrogant in a playful jokin way |
| 00:17.06 | Chikorita | buh spiff getz serious |
| 00:17.14 | david_v | hmm |
| 00:17.14 | Merry | yes he does |
| 00:17.21 | david_v | i just don't see this... |
| 00:17.22 | dougAtWork | greetings.. :) |
| 00:17.22 | Chikorita | an dem dey fight an it get all blown outta proportion |
| 00:17.28 | KR | he quit in the middle of a match against HoW once |
| 00:17.29 | david_v | if so many people dislike it why do they just watch |
| 00:17.31 | KR | argh |
| 00:17.31 | Chikorita | hi doug |
| 00:17.41 | KR | nhola |
| 00:17.44 | KR | "n" |
| 00:18.08 | Merry | I'm going to.....www.homestarrunner.com |
| 00:18.12 | Merry | Strong Bad! |
| 00:18.24 | Chikorita | lol |
| 00:18.33 | Merry | heheh |
| 00:18.33 | Chikorita | strong bah |
| 00:18.33 | Merry | e |
| 00:18.42 | KR | well kids - think I'll go frag at ducati for a bit more before continuing work... been fun c ya later |
| 00:18.46 | Merry | I found the song to fqhgagods |
| 00:18.49 | KR | ciao |
| 00:18.57 | Chikorita | k c u k r |
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| 00:19.00 | patlabor221 | they haven't updated HSR in forever |
| 00:19.25 | Merry | ahh |
| 00:19.44 | Chikorita | HSR has sum new shorts films , funny |
| 00:19.58 | Merry | ya] |
| 00:19.58 | patlabor221 | just the smallow |
| 00:20.04 | Chikorita | like homestarrs muisc video theme |
| 00:20.27 | Merry | go to toon then go to shorts then go to Everybody to the limit |
| 00:20.30 | Chikorita | i like da cheats video |
| 00:20.39 | Chikorita | lol merry |
| 00:20.41 | Merry | ya |
| 00:20.46 | Merry | I love the cheat |
| 00:21.00 | Chikorita | mee 2 hes cute |
| 00:21.03 | Merry | fhqwhgads! |
| 00:21.07 | Chikorita | lol |
| 00:21.09 | Merry | that's the name |
| 00:21.17 | Merry | hehee |
| 00:21.34 | Chikorita | i actually did pretty good on da Trogdor game |
| 00:21.42 | Merry | ya so did I |
| 00:21.44 | Chikorita | level 4 i think i got 2 |
| 00:21.49 | Merry | I almost got all of them |
| 00:21.56 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 00:22.19 | Chikorita | i think i might even buy a HSR shirt sum of dem look neet |
| 00:22.28 | Merry | is david_v still here? |
| 00:22.36 | Merry | lol |
| 00:23.18 | david_v | well yea :) |
| 00:23.29 | Merry | hey david_v and Chick let's go on AIM |
| 00:23.33 | Merry | in a chat room |
| 00:23.35 | david_v | well i am there heh |
| 00:23.37 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 00:23.43 | Chikorita | which room? |
| 00:23.44 | david_v | i'm just unsure if gaim can handle chat rooms... hope so |
| 00:23.46 | Merry | I'm there going out |
| 00:23.52 | Merry | I'll make a chat room |
| 00:23.56 | Chikorita | k |
| 00:23.59 | Merry | out |
| 00:24.00 | Chikorita | IM mee |
| 00:24.13 | david_v | hey synchronised brains? :) |
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| 00:30.55 | david_v | later |
| 00:31.17 | TimRiker | http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?BZFlag <- go there to see if the counter increments. |
| 00:31.51 | david_v | it only eats my brain once, sorry :) |
| 00:32.15 | david_v | maybe it's because i blocked the cookie |
| 00:32.32 | david_v | (reflex action :) |
| 00:32.55 | TimRiker | iirc it records the IPs and only eats one brain per ip. |
| 00:33.28 | david_v | hm yes i thought so, but it gives different messages though |
| 00:33.39 | david_v | if you accept the cookie it says "your brain has already been eaten" |
| 00:33.41 | david_v | nite topic btw :) |
| 00:33.54 | david_v | but if you block it it "tries" to eat it but gets stopped by a shotgun :) |
| 00:33.54 | TimRiker | ah. so perhaps it's cookie based then. |
| 00:34.03 | TimRiker | cool! |
| 00:34.04 | david_v | well yes it tries to set a cookie |
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| 00:39.19 | david_v | ah now it ate my brain. finally ;) |
| 00:40.29 | david_v | TimRiker: now where is the URL that gives my brain back? :) |
| 00:40.50 | dougAtWork | hey, TimRiker lives! |
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| 02:10.43 | Patlabor221 | are you sans electricity?" |
| 02:10.59 | Quol | no - we aer ok up here in Montreal :) |
| 02:11.07 | Patlabor221 | ahh good |
| 02:11.34 | Quol | never got effected....but a lot of my friends in TO are down |
| 02:11.58 | Patlabor221 | TO? |
| 02:12.06 | Quol | i have a couple of spare minutes, so i am checking out chatzilla... |
| 02:12.17 | Quol | TO = Toronto - sorry about that |
| 02:12.21 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 02:12.31 | Patlabor221 | that would splain where bzgirl went |
| 02:12.37 | Quol | i bet bzgirl has no power |
| 02:12.52 | Quol | lol |
| 02:12.57 | Quol | ya beat me to it |
| 02:12.59 | Patlabor221 | :( |
| 02:28.25 | dougAtWork | heh |
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| 02:30.05 | dougAtWork | 'lo MrApathyCream |
| 02:30.16 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 02:30.24 | dougAtWork | how are the salt mines? |
| 02:30.32 | MrApathyCream | salty |
| 02:30.50 | dougAtWork | ah, I should hope so |
| 02:33.05 | TimRiker | karma system should allow for ranking maps too. ;-) |
| 02:33.17 | dougAtWork | hah |
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| 02:41.36 | bryjen | Server "MsgSet" -> Client "Woof" -> Server "GoodDog" -> Client :) |
| 02:48.18 | learnerAtWork | Tim: you know a simple voting system would be an order of magnitude simpler than karma as an intermediate solution to server issues |
| 02:48.33 | learnerAtWork | until karma is properly implemented |
| 02:48.41 | TimRiker | learnerAtWork: patches welcome. |
| 02:48.44 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 02:48.47 | learnerAtWork | knew you'd say that |
| 02:49.34 | Patlabor221 | learnerAtWork is there a graphical scp client for the mac? |
| 02:49.42 | bryjen | ah somebody's already likened it to that (item #7). shoulda know youse smart guys would get there foist |
| 02:55.06 | learnerAtWork | pat: there are quite a few front ends |
| 02:55.22 | bryjen | the voting idea comes back to how to do it fairly and keep miscreants from rigging it. |
| 02:55.22 | learnerAtWork | never used any myself -- but you can find a bunch on versiontracker.com |
| 02:55.47 | learnerAtWork | bryjen: explain? |
| 02:58.07 | learnerAtWork | how might it get rigged? |
| 03:00.28 | learnerAtWork | you could require an X percentage of voting participation (say 75%) and a Y percentage yea/nay vote (say 60%) |
| 03:01.02 | learnerAtWork | any player could only initiate a vote say once every 10 minutes |
| 03:02.22 | bryjen | three or four lusers get on an empty server and vote off other people as the come in |
| 03:03.32 | learnerAtWork | depending on the server values, you could rather easily limit that from happening at least only once per luser |
| 03:04.55 | bryjen | maybe the time limit would be enough.. given some time enough people might join, and they lose their majority |
| 03:04.56 | learnerAtWork | I've rarely seen more than one or two cheaters on simultaneously -- sure, though -- it's not full-proof, but it would handle lone cheaters (which is impressively common) |
| 03:05.43 | learnerAtWork | getting rid of single cheaters via vote would, in itself, be of immense value in the absense of admins |
| 03:05.47 | bryjen | one is definately most common. i've seen 'em traveling in pairs too |
| 03:06.13 | learnerAtWork | yes, I've seen two (never three to date myself, though) |
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| 03:09.43 | creeperz | Woah |
| 03:10.00 | creeperz | IRC in trillian is mucho different |
| 03:12.48 | learnerAtWork | what I think is the harder question is more of politics/politeness -- system is only effective if users are allowed to ban (otherwise cheaters would quickly learn to rejoin N times and expire the N players ability to request the vote) |
| 03:13.24 | learnerAtWork | i don't particularly like the idea of players initiating a ban, even if only temporary |
| 03:15.39 | bryjen | can't have it both ways :( temporary bans might be the middle ground |
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| 03:17.17 | TimRiker | the point is that a bunch of cheaters won't have much fun without players. |
| 03:18.33 | TimRiker | temp ban should last as long as the bannors are still the majority. |
| 03:18.47 | TimRiker | when enough of them log off, the ban is removed. |
| 03:18.56 | bryjen | probly not. If they had an attention span, they'd take the time to learn to play |
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| 03:20.05 | bryjen | so each voted ban would have to store who had voted for it, and when people exit the bans would be checked? |
| 03:20.23 | learnerAtWork | perhaps |
| 03:21.14 | TimRiker | each player would store the bans and if a majority had the ban listed, then it's effective. |
| 03:21.16 | learnerAtWork | or you could do exactly as tim said, keep track of who voted the ban and when a majority exit, the ban drops |
| 03:21.40 | TimRiker | could even upload your bans on join and save them in the local db. |
| 03:22.00 | bryjen | learnerAtWork: i think that's what i said too :) |
| 03:22.01 | learnerAtWork | eek -- that's getting more compilcated than I'd care to write |
| 03:22.06 | learnerAtWork | bryjen: :) |
| 03:22.14 | TimRiker | so wherever you go your bans follow you (if other have the same so it makes a majority) |
| 03:22.27 | learnerAtWork | I'd rather see a nice karma/moderation system in addition to voting |
| 03:22.54 | bryjen | Erg. TimRiker : please repeat after me : Don't trust the client for anything. |
| 03:23.08 | Patlabor221 | what If I run 5 clients and vote you off? |
| 03:23.08 | bryjen | say it slowly ;) |
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| 03:24.00 | bryjen | storing bans and who set them (by vote or admin) should be server-side |
| 03:24.01 | TimRiker | bryjen: I'm just trusting the player to suggest a ban. not trusting the bans themselves until a majority of players suggest them |
| 03:24.25 | Patlabor221 | but you don't know who a player is |
| 03:24.25 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: then you can have fun on the empty server. |
| 03:24.27 | learnerAtWork | perhaps as a kind of "auto-vote" feature |
| 03:24.46 | learnerAtWork | maybe "rev 2" of the voting system someone could add that :) |
| 03:24.58 | Patlabor221 | I'm not talking about voiting off everyone, just people I "don't like" |
| 03:25.20 | TimRiker | learnerAtWork: that's on the client side, server would likely see the same "vote" format. |
| 03:25.34 | Patlabor221 | and if all the voties leave, can the people who were voited off get back in? |
| 03:25.51 | learnerAtWork | pat: yes |
| 03:25.56 | bryjen | some people might get kicks from just popping in and clearing everyone out to annoy them all. they don't hang around much after its done. |
| 03:26.07 | TimRiker | once there is not a majority vote for a ban, the ban is no longer enforced. |
| 03:27.19 | Patlabor221 | it seems to have a number of exploitables |
| 03:27.46 | learnerAtWork | you could only request a vote, not actually kick -- you'd need a majority to actually cause a ban |
| 03:27.54 | TimRiker | can't block multiple logins from one IP either cause corp fw's often ipmasq and have multiple people playing on the same server at the same time. |
| 03:28.19 | bryjen | :( |
| 03:28.54 | learnerAtWork | Tim: hrm.. that is a problem |
| 03:29.27 | learnerAtWork | I was thinking of ip-banning after a 2nd vote to kick from same ip |
| 03:29.33 | bryjen | TimRiker: "...have fun on the empty server..." |
| 03:29.36 | Patlabor221 | asigning vote a permision could help, server ops could require people to register before a vote counted |
| 03:30.26 | TimRiker | learnerAtWork: then you don't treat friends at the same office fairly. that might still be better though. |
| 03:30.54 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: bots could register too, no? |
| 03:31.01 | learnerAtWork | tim: true -- but they are certainly not in the majority |
| 03:31.31 | TimRiker | if I had the time now I'd be actively hacking on a karma server. |
| 03:32.04 | TimRiker | learnerAtWork: sweet! we need to make "BZFlag - Patches Welcome" t-shirts. ;-) |
| 03:32.18 | learnerAtWork | =) |
| 03:32.22 | TimRiker | well, headed home. must sleep. |
| 03:32.26 | Patlabor221 | problem here is, this isn't a patch, cus if evryone dosn't have it, it's pointless |
| 03:32.43 | learnerAtWork | it'd be a 1.9 feature |
| 03:32.52 | bryjen | Rule #1.5: No, we will not help you add stuff to _our_ game |
| 03:33.04 | learnerAtWork | a /requestBan command or something similar |
| 03:33.16 | learnerAtWork | and maybe /vote yes|n |
| 03:33.18 | learnerAtWork | no |
| 03:33.43 | bryjen | for cases where "help" = do all the actual work |
| 03:33.44 | learnerAtWork | bryjen: oh.. I'll "help" :) |
| 03:33.52 | learnerAtWork | hehe, yea |
| 03:34.32 | bryjen | if its all server-side, it could be added to 1.7 |
| 03:34.32 | Patlabor221 | then it's not a patches welcome thing it's a "Speck the farkin thing, tim" |
| 03:35.06 | learnerAtWork | lol @ farkin |
| 03:35.40 | learnerAtWork | a farkin spork |
| 03:35.41 | bryjen | ~seen JBDigriz |
| 03:35.42 | | jbdigriz <~JBDiGriz@216.188.65.26> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3h 49m 11s ago, saying: 'Yeah, those east coast types have been complaining all day!'. |
| 03:35.51 | Patlabor221 | he shoudl spec it, let mac or someone bust it out, and just ship 1.9 |
| 03:35.52 | bryjen | up to me then |
| 03:35.59 | bryjen | ~spell farkin |
| 03:36.01 | | possible spellings for farkin: firkin faking far kin far-kin forking Fagin darking farina faring fain Garvin akin barking darken farcing farming farting harking larking marking parking |
| 03:36.13 | learnerAtWork | ~dict far-kin |
| 03:36.14 | Patlabor221 | then watch all the people complain as the greefers go to town. |
| 03:36.25 | Patlabor221 | cus BZ is 65% greefer |
| 03:36.47 | learnerAtWork | ~dict greefer |
| 03:37.03 | Patlabor221 | one who plays a game to just anoy others |
| 03:37.03 | bryjen | ~dict firkin |
| 03:37.08 | learnerAtWork | is that like a great reefer? |
| 03:37.16 | Patlabor221 | ohh come on now :) |
| 03:37.20 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 03:37.38 | bryjen | someone who /needs/ some reefer to chill them out |
| 03:37.53 | learnerAtWork | so 65% is players with a small wooden keg smoking reefers? =) |
| 03:37.58 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 03:38.23 | learnerAtWork | that's a lot of brew |
| 03:38.37 | Patlabor221 | how many players have played a game in the leauge in the last month? |
| 03:38.53 | Patlabor221 | 10? |
| 03:38.54 | bryjen | nah. its empty. ah-hah, and *that's* why they're so grouchy! |
| 03:39.05 | bryjen | ;) |
| 03:39.06 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:39.15 | Patlabor221 | there are like 20 honest players total |
| 03:39.23 | Patlabor221 | the rest are there to fark around :) |
| 03:39.52 | learnerAtWork | Patlabor221: I think many of the league players (myself included) are discouraged by the high volume of bickering/complaints/cheating/complaining/annoyances/etc |
| 03:40.04 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:40.14 | learnerAtWork | ok.. WHO FARKED?? |
| 03:40.30 | Patlabor221 | I would be too if I played a game a month and most of the time was spent listening to cheaters bicker about crap |
| 03:40.50 | Patlabor221 | learner were you ever in a subspace leauge? |
| 03:40.51 | learnerAtWork | bryjen: indeed it is |
| 03:41.23 | learnerAtWork | Patlabor221: only briefly before my "addiction" got out of control and I had to go cold turkey |
| 03:41.32 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 03:41.37 | Patlabor221 | they had there leauge stuff down |
| 03:41.45 | learnerAtWork | got way too good and played way too much |
| 03:41.49 | learnerAtWork | in a very short time |
| 03:41.50 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 03:42.15 | Patlabor221 | I know teams in leauges that played 5-6 matches a week |
| 03:42.29 | Patlabor221 | they had like 25 real refs |
| 03:42.36 | Patlabor221 | matches could NOT be played with out them |
| 03:42.50 | Patlabor221 | rooms were locked, rules were posted AND even enforced. |
| 03:42.56 | Patlabor221 | it was tight |
| 03:43.02 | Patlabor221 | people would acutlay practice. |
| 03:43.10 | learnerAtWork | yes.. but that was a game that was a couple orders of magnitude more popular (and better funded) |
| 03:43.33 | Patlabor221 | at it's peak it was free and unadvertiezed |
| 03:43.39 | Patlabor221 | it is still there and still as large |
| 03:43.41 | Patlabor221 | and free |
| 03:43.46 | Patlabor221 | abandon ware |
| 03:44.13 | Patlabor221 | it's popular cus it allowed the newb to get into a large game, AND still allowed a good leauge |
| 03:44.17 | Patlabor221 | it was made by 2 guys |
| 03:44.21 | Patlabor221 | Tim knows one. |
| 03:44.39 | Patlabor221 | but you are right BZ would never be that popular |
| 03:44.49 | Patlabor221 | dosnt' look good enough, and is too slow |
| 03:45.01 | Patlabor221 | and the current players would complain about geting shot and stuff |
| 03:46.14 | Patlabor221 | noone even knows where Tim wants to take it anyway |
| 03:46.48 | Patlabor221 | </rant> |
| 03:46.51 | Patlabor221 | opps :) |
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| 03:49.44 | Patlabor221 | heh, joy, was probably ranting to myself too :) |
| 03:51.11 | bryjen | no worries. Tim logs this channel, right ? ;) |
| 03:51.20 | Patlabor221 | ibot does |
| 03:51.21 | | Patlabor221: I give up, what is it? |
| 03:51.27 | Patlabor221 | see :) |
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| 03:51.51 | Patlabor221 | tho noone read them |
| 04:00.41 | learnerAtWork | Patlabor221: heh |
| 04:03.57 | learnerAtWork | I'd have to say, though -- for an open source game, this project is going well (despite the coding lull and turf wars) |
| 04:04.18 | learnerAtWork | it has issues due to a rise in popularity -- it's not scaling well |
| 04:04.37 | Patlabor221 | no it's not |
| 04:04.59 | Patlabor221 | I feel it's way past what it was designed for |
| 04:04.59 | learnerAtWork | cheating should have been a design issue up-front, as well as communication and abuse |
| 04:05.22 | Patlabor221 | and all we get is "patches welcome" that makes me feel like managment dosn't care what I do, just slap it in there. |
| 04:05.37 | learnerAtWork | but then, to give it credit, its a game being thrown into an environment it wasn't designed for (really) |
| 04:05.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:05.56 | Patlabor221 | I'm suprised it got this far |
| 04:06.05 | Patlabor221 | but noone seems to want to take it further |
| 04:06.07 | learnerAtWork | and the code migration is slow |
| 04:07.06 | Patlabor221 | ohh some do |
| 04:07.22 | Patlabor221 | but the maintainer shure has hell better |
| 04:07.31 | learnerAtWork | Yikes |
| 04:07.57 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 04:08.02 | gonkulator | learnerAtWork: want to see something non-sexual that will make you horney? |
| 04:08.10 | gonkulator | http://navi.picogui.org/images/places/brandon/ |
| 04:08.13 | learnerAtWork | hehe, I'm not sure |
| 04:08.56 | Patlabor221 | a slowly loading page? |
| 04:09.02 | Patlabor221 | sorry man, that dosn't do it for me :) |
| 04:09.04 | gonkulator | its running on scanline's server |
| 04:09.10 | gonkulator | not too f ast |
| 04:09.50 | learnerAtWork | heh, is that you gonk? |
| 04:09.55 | gonkulator | yep |
| 04:10.00 | gonkulator | yellow shirt and all |
| 04:10.04 | Patlabor221 | you need a roof :) |
| 04:10.14 | learnerAtWork | not going to post to the bzbb thread? :) |
| 04:10.28 | gonkulator | Patlabor221: its a basement :) |
| 04:10.33 | Patlabor221 | so |
| 04:11.08 | gonkulator | if I put a ceiling in, I'll bump my head on it all the time |
| 04:11.19 | learnerAtWork | tell me those aren't all aol cds :) |
| 04:11.31 | learnerAtWork | quad display? |
| 04:11.32 | Patlabor221 | pr0n |
| 04:12.20 | Patlabor221 | tho you need a better desk |
| 04:12.42 | learnerAtWork | yes.. the laptop is humorous :) |
| 04:13.12 | learnerAtWork | All your Void * are belong to us! |
| 04:14.41 | captain_proton | You have reached this page due to an interruption in your connection with our system or you were directed to a link that is no longer valid. |
| 04:14.45 | captain_proton | silly cookies |
| 04:14.52 | Patlabor221 | damn |
| 04:15.09 | learnerAtWork | refresh and it should work |
| 04:15.15 | Patlabor221 | go to desks -> L desks and worcenters -> funimental |
| 04:15.25 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 04:15.38 | learnerAtWork | cheap desk |
| 04:15.38 | Patlabor221 | then imagine it without the silly keyboard tray :) |
| 04:15.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah they are |
| 04:16.02 | learnerAtWork | gonk: is that a single display or multiple machines? |
| 04:16.29 | Patlabor221 | but you can put a self from that center thing out to each side and fit 5->7 moinitors on the sucker |
| 04:16.55 | Patlabor221 | I can't use normal square desks anymore |
| 04:17.04 | Patlabor221 | at work we have custom made adjustable ones |
| 04:17.24 | Patlabor221 | where the desk and the monitor part are adjustable seperatly |
| 04:17.29 | captain_proton | thats a wussy desk |
| 04:17.33 | captain_proton | http://middleatlantic.com/studio/ec/blkapp.htm |
| 04:17.41 | learnerAtWork | hehe, I recognize a comcast router sitting on that shelf, gonk, no? |
| 04:17.43 | Patlabor221 | well yes |
| 04:17.56 | Patlabor221 | but how much is THAT desk cap? |
| 04:18.20 | learnerAtWork | heh, when you have to _hunt_ for the price -- you don't want to know |
| 04:18.25 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:18.27 | captain_proton | i think its one of those "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" things |
| 04:18.30 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.35 | Patlabor221 | and is it height adjustable? |
| 04:18.36 | captain_proton | but ohh man |
| 04:18.50 | captain_proton | no, but you can mount all sorts of equipment |
| 04:18.53 | captain_proton | since its got builtin racks |
| 04:18.57 | Patlabor221 | that is nice |
| 04:19.08 | Patlabor221 | I was taking about the more realistic desks :) |
| 04:19.36 | Patlabor221 | tho you could fit racks under our desks at the office |
| 04:19.41 | Patlabor221 | they are huge |
| 04:19.45 | Patlabor221 | 8x10 |
| 04:19.58 | Patlabor221 | in an L |
| 04:21.58 | captain_proton | aerons are sexy |
| 04:22.03 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:22.17 | Patlabor221 | some people didn't like them cus of the butt draft from the mesh |
| 04:22.23 | captain_proton | bah |
| 04:22.28 | Patlabor221 | so we got a difrent kind |
| 04:22.39 | captain_proton | the butt draft is the best part |
| 04:22.39 | Patlabor221 | they are still nice, all adjustable |
| 04:23.01 | Patlabor221 | and the arms swing out of the way so you can get close to the desk |
| 04:23.07 | Patlabor221 | yeah I liked them |
| 04:24.54 | MrApathyCream | which direction is the draft? |
| 04:25.38 | Patlabor221 | the chair dosn't have "cussion" |
| 04:25.40 | bryjen | either ;) |
| 04:25.41 | Patlabor221 | it's a suportive mesh |
| 04:25.50 | learnerAtWork | http://www.anthro.com/_Fs/FS_CnslStn_David.asp |
| 04:26.03 | Patlabor221 | so it feels like your butt is cold |
| 04:26.12 | MrApathyCream | http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf |
| 04:26.14 | Patlabor221 | tho it really got rid of sweatyass |
| 04:26.29 | Patlabor221 | we looked at anthrocars |
| 04:26.57 | MrApathyCream | click on em |
| 04:29.03 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 04:29.09 | Patlabor221 | this is our chairs |
| 04:29.10 | Patlabor221 | http://www.haworth.com/furncat_new2000/index2.cfm?cid=7&fid=1&pid=70 |
| 04:29.54 | bryjen | lets hope H.E. != High Explosive |
| 04:31.57 | Patlabor221 | well they do cost like 1500$ |
| 04:35.12 | Patlabor221 | ohh no that's the high back ones |
| 04:35.39 | MrApathyCream | well, our chairs are slightly less expensive than that --> http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/starke/images/kirlian.jpg |
| 04:35.53 | Patlabor221 | these were only 833$ |
| 04:36.41 | learnerAtWork | http://www.spacify.com/newasp/asp/ShowProduct.asp?dept_id=170&parent_id=14&pf_id=Cos.trendC |
| 04:37.06 | Patlabor221 | what's the point if the comp isn't in the corner? |
| 04:37.19 | bryjen | MrApathyCream: Uh, I'm Ok to stand. reeeally, thanks anyway... |
| 04:37.45 | MrApathyCream | i like that your chair is normally 1000, but on sale for 1375 |
| 04:38.15 | MrApathyCream | er i mean trend workstation |
| 04:38.20 | Patlabor221 | it's a desk and it's 1800 not 1000 |
| 04:38.48 | MrApathyCream | the web site lists 1000 and crossed out |
| 04:39.04 | Patlabor221 | the second 0 is and 8, look closely :) |
| 04:39.28 | Patlabor221 | $1,800.00 |
| 04:39.33 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 04:39.48 | Patlabor221 | trick of light and shadow |
| 04:40.09 | Patlabor221 | all that corner space is wasted |
| 04:40.12 | Patlabor221 | it's sad |
| 04:40.32 | MrApathyCream | wow my eyes must be bad |
| 04:40.38 | MrApathyCream | it still sure looks like 1000 to me |
| 04:40.38 | Patlabor221 | copy the text and paste it |
| 04:40.44 | Patlabor221 | it's your font |
| 04:40.48 | MrApathyCream | i guess that's what happens when you get old |
| 04:41.11 | Patlabor221 | I can see how it would look like that |
| 04:41.15 | learnerAtWork | it's your dang cheap aliased fontage |
| 04:41.30 | Patlabor221 | smooth the fonts :) |
| 04:41.46 | MrApathyCream | there ya go learner - judge for yourself |
| 04:43.20 | MrApathyCream | wow it IS 1800 |
| 04:43.24 | MrApathyCream | that's insane |
| 04:43.32 | MrApathyCream | not the price--the font |
| 04:43.32 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 04:44.11 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/images/1800.jpg |
| 04:44.31 | bryjen | sheesh. i'd say the price |
| 04:44.53 | MrApathyCream | well that too |
| 04:45.07 | Patlabor221 | you need more girlly fonts mac |
| 04:45.07 | MrApathyCream | the chair does type for you, so over time, the cost is justifyable |
| 04:45.15 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, 'parently |
| 04:45.29 | bryjen | Does the Italian guy bring the materials to your place and make it there? |
| 04:46.23 | Patlabor221 | the CPU goes right under the monitor stand do you can get to the CDRom drives |
| 04:47.29 | Patlabor221 | are you gonna implment a flawed player based vote ban system, like Tim was talking about? :) |
| 04:47.45 | bryjen | and the CPU compartment is up away from the floor so someones not putting their foot in it.... |
| 04:47.51 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 04:47.56 | MrApathyCream | doesn't interest me |
| 04:48.13 | Patlabor221 | yeah it is, there is a shelf, and I usualy put the subwoofer down there |
| 04:48.19 | Patlabor221 | so don't mater if it gets kicked :) |
| 04:48.31 | MrApathyCream | Wow I have agglomerate trees growing in my back yard! Imagine the coincidence |
| 04:49.29 | MrApathyCream | joke? |
| 04:49.45 | Patlabor221 | the flawed vote system |
| 04:49.48 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 04:51.13 | Patlabor221 | ahh good, so then I should plan on making the kick everyone client in a while? |
| 04:52.03 | scanline | pff |
| 04:52.09 | bryjen | Patlabor221: get scanline to do it in python |
| 04:52.23 | scanline | downloadable textures would just let map authors to add cheesy textures to their map |
| 04:52.33 | bryjen | Mmmmm cheese |
| 04:53.09 | Patlabor221 | that and it's part of a much larger conetent managament system |
| 04:53.14 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, if you now a days, if you check it in, it's in the plan |
| 04:53.14 | Patlabor221 | it's not just a "patch" |
| 04:53.29 | Patlabor221 | that's my problem |
| 04:53.43 | MrApathyCream | create a cvs branch |
| 04:54.11 | learnerAtWork | mac: just might have to bump it up my schedule to avoid sun explosure |
| 04:54.13 | scanline | I think the current bzflag primitives should stay as-is with texturing and such, and we just need a new mesh primitive that can have arbitrary shape and texture |
| 04:54.27 | captain_proton | tim doesn't really give a rat's ass at this point :( |
| 04:54.35 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 04:54.46 | Patlabor221 | he just likes coming in every fortnight and saying crap |
| 04:54.48 | learnerAtWork | time gave me a rat's ass once |
| 04:54.51 | learnerAtWork | I didn't keep it |
| 04:54.54 | Patlabor221 | Mac who says I'm not |
| 04:55.54 | Patlabor221 | again, these are not just "drop in things" these are "redo the living piss outa the thing" |
| 04:56.01 | Patlabor221 | and what's the point if the code is never gonna be used |
| 04:56.10 | MrApathyCream | why won't it be used? |
| 04:56.19 | Patlabor221 | cus there is no direction |
| 04:56.22 | Patlabor221 | there is no release plan |
| 04:56.34 | scanline | hooray, it's 1.8 again! |
| 04:56.38 | Patlabor221 | the mentality is shove it in and let it go |
| 04:56.39 | captain_proton | yup |
| 04:56.46 | learnerAtWork | well.. it'll be used because there is no release plan to remove it :) |
| 04:56.48 | Patlabor221 | yeah, 1.8 wasn't a code problem it was a managment problem |
| 04:57.00 | learnerAtWork | and a communication problem |
| 04:57.05 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, 1.8 was more of a code problem than 1.9 |
| 04:57.14 | MrApathyCream | 1.9 could be released in a week |
| 04:57.16 | Patlabor221 | I don't think so now MAC |
| 04:57.21 | Patlabor221 | then WHY ISN"T IT? |
| 04:57.21 | MrApathyCream | i do |
| 04:57.28 | Patlabor221 | it's got engogh stuff to be new |
| 04:57.31 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton has to fist himself up |
| 04:57.33 | Patlabor221 | test and release |
| 04:57.49 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i'm freaking tired of doing 90% of the work |
| 04:57.58 | MrApathyCream | :0 |
| 04:58.00 | Patlabor221 | why is the maintainer of the project just wishing for shit insted of specing and asigning |
| 04:58.08 | Patlabor221 | why is there a leauge for 10 people? |
| 04:58.33 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton, well, shall we release? |
| 04:58.48 | MrApathyCream | its good enough right now |
| 04:59.00 | Patlabor221 | are all your pet enhancements in? |
| 04:59.09 | MrApathyCream | i could send it out |
| 04:59.16 | learnerAtWork | what's the wiki say? |
| 04:59.21 | MrApathyCream | who cares |
| 04:59.36 | MrApathyCream | if bugs show up we can fix and release another version |
| 04:59.44 | learnerAtWork | to see if all the enhancements are in |
| 04:59.48 | learnerAtWork | there was a plan |
| 04:59.49 | Patlabor221 | or somome could make a testing plan |
| 04:59.51 | MrApathyCream | bah |
| 05:00.04 | MrApathyCream | we got to stop worrying about a set of features |
| 05:00.08 | Patlabor221 | there was suposed to be a net reorg, all I saw that came from that was "make the player a char" |
| 05:00.16 | scanline | MrApathyCream: I might consider doing a font system if you ever updated the protocol wiki :p |
| 05:00.43 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:00.54 | captain_proton | we had that whole net meeting and nobody did squat |
| 05:01.05 | Patlabor221 | you may get one more out, but noones gonna spend the time to bust there ass every 6 months just to get something done. |
| 05:01.09 | MrApathyCream | because the meeting was stupid |
| 05:01.21 | Patlabor221 | the meeting shouldn't have been stupid |
| 05:01.28 | Patlabor221 | it has no goals |
| 05:01.38 | Patlabor221 | so how can anything ever get done |
| 05:01.41 | MrApathyCream | this is cooperative opensource |
| 05:01.49 | MrApathyCream | saying 'these things should get done' is just stupid |
| 05:01.55 | captain_proton | what happened at the meeting is that a lot of talk was done about changing the damn discovery protocol |
| 05:01.58 | captain_proton | which nobody uses |
| 05:02.01 | Patlabor221 | yeah, and who is cooperating, eveyones just off doing there own crap |
| 05:02.05 | MrApathyCream | you do what you can, and just release the thing |
| 05:02.10 | captain_proton | and then at the end i tried to talk about redoing the API |
| 05:02.11 | learnerAtWork | mac, is mediafile done? |
| 05:02.12 | captain_proton | and nobody cared |
| 05:02.23 | MrApathyCream | learner for graphics it is |
| 05:02.26 | Patlabor221 | mac that's the best way to make a pile of shit that dosn't work together |
| 05:02.28 | MrApathyCream | sound is more difficult |
| 05:02.38 | learnerAtWork | good enough for me |
| 05:02.39 | Patlabor221 | that may work for the linux kernel but it shoudn't be that way for a game :) |
| 05:02.39 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, the alternative is that no development happens |
| 05:02.48 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: thats not how it works for the kernel |
| 05:03.05 | captain_proton | the kernel has a plan, and a maintainer who does stuff |
| 05:03.06 | Patlabor221 | no, the alterntive is somone maintains the project and drives the project to a real goal, like real kernel dev :) |
| 05:03.13 | Patlabor221 | I know cap |
| 05:03.31 | Patlabor221 | I was jesting |
| 05:03.34 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, are you volunteering? is anyone? no, so i'd rather at least release something every once and a while |
| 05:03.54 | MrApathyCream | there some nifty stuff in 1.9 that folks will at least like for a little while |
| 05:04.00 | learnerAtWork | multicast is done? |
| 05:04.05 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:04.10 | Patlabor221 | no I'm not, cus 1) you would take 5 months just to get the controll away from TIm, and 2, I see like 6 people who work in it, and 20 people who play. |
| 05:04.38 | Patlabor221 | and 10 of them complain every time they get shot |
| 05:04.40 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, exactly. so the options are bury BZFlag, or accept whatever people feel like doing and release periodically |
| 05:04.44 | learnerAtWork | pat, what about the improved map reader? |
| 05:04.51 | Patlabor221 | it's done |
| 05:04.54 | Patlabor221 | been done for ages |
| 05:04.55 | learnerAtWork | coo |
| 05:05.06 | Patlabor221 | cept for the bounce on shot collisions |
| 05:05.13 | Patlabor221 | on upside down pyramids |
| 05:05.25 | Patlabor221 | I could not figure out how to fix it right |
| 05:05.26 | learnerAtWork | anyone know about the state of the beos port? |
| 05:05.33 | MrApathyCream | no one cares |
| 05:05.33 | learnerAtWork | I've seen code, but heard no reports |
| 05:05.42 | learnerAtWork | i care ;P |
| 05:05.43 | captain_proton | learnerAtWork: broken, but mmu_man seems to have lost interest |
| 05:05.44 | Patlabor221 | for the 2 beOS players? |
| 05:05.55 | learnerAtWork | ah, okay -- I'll push it down to later stuff |
| 05:06.12 | learnerAtWork | cap, what about bzdb -- good for release or needs more? |
| 05:06.19 | MrApathyCream | Good enough |
| 05:06.37 | MrApathyCream | this is how we should do dev here. |
| 05:06.48 | MrApathyCream | Have a prioritized list of stuff as a way of giving direction |
| 05:06.52 | Patlabor221 | shoudl we call it BZflag 1.9.0 "Mehhh it's good enough" ? |
| 05:06.54 | MrApathyCream | People do what they want from the list. |
| 05:06.55 | captain_proton | but we don't have a list of stuff |
| 05:07.06 | MrApathyCream | hopefully respecting the prioritiztaion |
| 05:07.09 | captain_proton | our list is currently just stuff that people did, half-started, or kinda sorta wanted to do |
| 05:07.16 | MrApathyCream | release every so often regardless of how many items are done. |
| 05:07.19 | Patlabor221 | mac but noone says how it all should work together |
| 05:07.27 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, and no one will |
| 05:07.42 | captain_proton | bzflag has a serious architecture overflow due to feature creep |
| 05:07.44 | Patlabor221 | then again waht is the point? |
| 05:07.46 | MrApathyCream | You have to differentiate how it should be and how it will be |
| 05:08.14 | MrApathyCream | OK so then, you guys are in favor of just pitching the game, i take it |
| 05:08.15 | learnerAtWork | it should be how it will be :) |
| 05:08.30 | learnerAtWork | I'm not a big fan of baseball |
| 05:08.32 | Patlabor221 | I want to see the maintainer give a shit |
| 05:08.50 | captain_proton | i want to see a real set of goals |
| 05:08.52 | MrApathyCream | don't we all, |
| 05:08.53 | captain_proton | maybe a roadmap |
| 05:08.57 | MrApathyCream | but it aint happening so you move on |
| 05:09.01 | captain_proton | no |
| 05:09.01 | learnerAtWork | a roadmap would be good |
| 05:09.06 | Patlabor221 | anything |
| 05:09.15 | MrApathyCream | what good is a roadmap if no one is working? |
| 05:09.34 | captain_proton | if it ain't happening, we end up adding a bunch of features which will get boring pretty quick |
| 05:09.36 | learnerAtWork | cap, what's this command-based system (ie. jump)? |
| 05:09.42 | Patlabor221 | mac my time is better spent on other things, I don't want to see it die, but I don't want to waste my time implementing stuff that will never really work with the architecture. |
| 05:09.44 | captain_proton | learnerit exists |
| 05:09.48 | captain_proton | learnerAtWork: look at CMDMGR, etc |
| 05:09.56 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, you are a better programmer than that |
| 05:10.08 | Patlabor221 | I'm sick of shoehoring |
| 05:10.21 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, then refactor it into something better |
| 05:10.24 | captain_proton | learnerAtWork: yeah |
| 05:10.29 | MrApathyCream | You are all over server based control of the game |
| 05:10.37 | MrApathyCream | no one would complain if you moved in that direction |
| 05:10.48 | learnerAtWork | last item: "get rid of @ observer hack to use JAFOPlayer" .. wtf is that? |
| 05:10.48 | Patlabor221 | and having to ask "what about when this happens" and noone caring or having an opinion, then making a change, and then tim going "no do it this way" |
| 05:11.03 | MrApathyCream | learner basically done |
| 05:11.11 | captain_proton | not at all |
| 05:11.17 | captain_proton | it doesn't use JAFO |
| 05:11.20 | captain_proton | we still use JAFO |
| 05:11.23 | captain_proton | err |
| 05:11.24 | MrApathyCream | no but got rid of @ |
| 05:11.25 | captain_proton | blah |
| 05:11.31 | captain_proton | we use a team, right? |
| 05:11.33 | scanline | JAFO doesn't even really workk right in the server |
| 05:11.34 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:11.44 | Patlabor221 | server side controll really needs a rip of the entire game state |
| 05:11.52 | scanline | if you connect as a JAFO, the server will kick you for being idle after a while |
| 05:11.57 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, guess what, you won't get it all at first |
| 05:11.58 | Patlabor221 | and since gamestate is tied into graphics, ya gotta rip that |
| 05:12.00 | captain_proton | ok - learnerAtWork - say its done but rewrite to say "get rid of @observer hack to use team" |
| 05:12.20 | Patlabor221 | the python thing is proibably the best thing to happen to BZ |
| 05:12.27 | MrApathyCream | but i'm willing to bet that you are a tremendous enough programmer that you can move in that direction, if slower than you want |
| 05:12.37 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: but whats the point? |
| 05:12.45 | MrApathyCream | improvement |
| 05:12.52 | captain_proton | all that happens is you move a little in that direction, break it a bunch, then get frustrated because nobody gives a crap |
| 05:12.54 | Patlabor221 | or just reimplement |
| 05:13.11 | MrApathyCream | i will help anyone out, that's a promise |
| 05:13.12 | Patlabor221 | and noone helps each other |
| 05:13.15 | learnerAtWork | okay, so I marked it "DONE, albeit not via JAFO" |
| 05:13.21 | Patlabor221 | how, we don't branch in CVS |
| 05:13.28 | MrApathyCream | scanline and i did |
| 05:13.30 | MrApathyCream | you can to |
| 05:13.33 | Patlabor221 | we keep one line and everyone gets pissed if it's busted |
| 05:13.44 | scanline | MrApathyCream: that was a mighty short-lived branch |
| 05:13.52 | scanline | served its purpose nicely though |
| 05:13.53 | MrApathyCream | because you are farking awesome |
| 05:13.54 | learnerAtWork | heh, it lasted all of one night |
| 05:13.57 | Patlabor221 | but then that means meetings, and those are supid |
| 05:13.58 | scanline | hah |
| 05:14.33 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, branch cvs, start working and tell me what you want me to do. |
| 05:14.36 | Patlabor221 | my cat says hi :) |
| 05:14.49 | MrApathyCream | It's your baby you have complete control of that branch, |
| 05:14.58 | Patlabor221 | replace platform with SDL :) |
| 05:15.08 | learnerAtWork | or add an SDL platform |
| 05:15.30 | Patlabor221 | so I do all that work, then go to merge and have Tim say "no I don't like this, this, this and this" |
| 05:15.36 | Patlabor221 | when he could have said before hand |
| 05:15.38 | Patlabor221 | I don't need that |
| 05:15.42 | MrApathyCream | i really don't think that will happen now |
| 05:15.50 | MrApathyCream | he's seems to be out of it |
| 05:15.59 | Patlabor221 | every time I chack in something major he comes out of the wood work |
| 05:16.05 | MrApathyCream | i just keep checking stuff in hoping that he'll get pissed enough to come yell, but he never does |
| 05:16.10 | MrApathyCream | so i just keep checking stuff in |
| 05:16.29 | Patlabor221 | seems like beating a dead horse to make it move to me |
| 05:16.35 | scanline | well, if everyone thinks tim's holding back the project, maybe it's time for an ultimatim that he either hands control over to someone else or we fork bzflag? |
| 05:16.55 | Patlabor221 | is there anything from it worth keeping? |
| 05:16.58 | MrApathyCream | well, actually i don't think he's holding back the project |
| 05:17.03 | Patlabor221 | I mean really? |
| 05:17.20 | MrApathyCream | i think he's gotten to the point where he says, eh, at least they're working on it. |
| 05:17.22 | learnerAtWork | and then I complain to mac about stuff not compiling =) |
| 05:17.33 | MrApathyCream | learner , heh yup |
| 05:17.43 | learnerAtWork | works for me |
| 05:17.54 | Patlabor221 | where do you see BZFlag going mac? |
| 05:18.06 | MrApathyCream | i don't have grandiose plans |
| 05:18.13 | MrApathyCream | i just want to make it better |
| 05:18.14 | captain_proton | scanline: who is gonna lead the fork? |
| 05:18.25 | Patlabor221 | and who is to decide what the fork entials |
| 05:18.27 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: open source projects need effective leaders |
| 05:18.27 | MrApathyCream | i want a 1.9 release that holds some more interest |
| 05:18.28 | scanline | captain_proton: you? MrApathyCream? :) |
| 05:18.30 | Patlabor221 | BZ could go manyway |
| 05:18.47 | Patlabor221 | but MAC what do you want to see in it, what do you want "better" ? |
| 05:19.02 | learnerAtWork | then get back to improving the gameplay and graphics |
| 05:19.09 | MrApathyCream | I want lag to come down #1 |
| 05:19.22 | learnerAtWork | like deformable terrain, particles, multiplayer tanks, etc |
| 05:19.34 | Patlabor221 | what is causing the lag? too much data? |
| 05:19.39 | MrApathyCream | *shrug* |
| 05:19.47 | MrApathyCream | this can and string i have probably doesn't help |
| 05:19.50 | Patlabor221 | learner is that the same game as BZflag then? |
| 05:20.06 | learnerAtWork | yes, i think so |
| 05:20.08 | MrApathyCream | The game should be simple to learn, and tough to master |
| 05:20.17 | MrApathyCream | i think that is absolutely core |
| 05:20.21 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 05:20.22 | bryjen | really the /effects/ of lag. wouldnt server-side state help that? |
| 05:20.33 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:20.34 | learnerAtWork | it "could" |
| 05:20.38 | Patlabor221 | I don't think LAG is a problem |
| 05:20.51 | Patlabor221 | I think variances in each players gamestate is the problem |
| 05:20.55 | learnerAtWork | well.. from a gamer's perspective -- lag is the problem |
| 05:21.13 | Patlabor221 | lag is a term that is used often without being understood |
| 05:21.14 | learnerAtWork | is there a bzflag timesync? |
| 05:21.15 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, ok i'll buy that |
| 05:21.22 | bryjen | lag is the name/explanation given to the problem |
| 05:21.31 | Patlabor221 | I don't think player to server latency is that big of a porblem |
| 05:21.38 | Patlabor221 | but we all asume it's just lag |
| 05:21.49 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: there's not too much we can do to decrease latency - and the amount of data is fine up to about 5 people |
| 05:21.55 | captain_proton | (for 56k) |
| 05:21.57 | Patlabor221 | this is a core thing here, just want someone to patch it up? |
| 05:22.00 | learnerAtWork | Patlabor221: true -- we could play well enough with just about any lag -- it's the handshaking of that lag |
| 05:22.24 | Patlabor221 | leaner not just that, the fact that the transport time isn't comped in the gamestate |
| 05:22.31 | Patlabor221 | NOONE has a correct game state |
| 05:22.40 | Patlabor221 | ohh wait, we are having a meeting |
| 05:22.45 | Patlabor221 | and those are stupid :) |
| 05:22.48 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, no, but the truth is none of us has the stomach to make all the changes necessary |
| 05:22.56 | Patlabor221 | EXACTLY |
| 05:23.01 | MrApathyCream | so you have to move in the direction and hope someday you make it |
| 05:23.01 | Patlabor221 | so it needs to be more then one person |
| 05:23.08 | Patlabor221 | and the only way for that to work is to have a plan |
| 05:23.30 | Patlabor221 | so if you want to procede on the "just shove stuff in" method, then nothing big is ever goonna get done |
| 05:23.35 | Patlabor221 | and then what is the point. |
| 05:23.50 | learnerAtWork | lol |
| 05:24.13 | MrApathyCream | w00t |
| 05:24.27 | Patlabor221 | ahh good, so you can all just stir your beers while the world moves on :) |
| 05:24.33 | bryjen | mutually assured thwarting. and why arent we getting anywhere ? ;) |
| 05:24.34 | MrApathyCream | I agree with most of you, that tim is dead wrong about robots |
| 05:24.55 | Patlabor221 | sadly I find tim dead wrong about most things |
| 05:25.09 | Patlabor221 | I know he's smart, but I don't see him puting thought into anything here |
| 05:25.27 | MrApathyCream | well at this point his input is really moot |
| 05:25.32 | MrApathyCream | he's never here |
| 05:25.40 | Patlabor221 | yet he has veto power |
| 05:25.47 | MrApathyCream | i don't know anymore |
| 05:25.48 | learnerAtWork | so we can commit away in the meantime :) |
| 05:26.02 | MrApathyCream | sure he does... but i don't think that's going to happen |
| 05:26.22 | learnerAtWork | speaking of progress -- everything listed on "Next Release for Sure" is DONE |
| 05:26.32 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:26.34 | MrApathyCream | ship it |
| 05:26.36 | Patlabor221 | then cut a beta |
| 05:26.37 | MrApathyCream | or test it |
| 05:26.38 | learnerAtWork | there are a handful of caveats, but nothing that would probably prohibit a release |
| 05:26.49 | MrApathyCream | but since no one seems to want to test, just ship it and let the users test |
| 05:26.54 | Patlabor221 | who's on the regrestion test list? |
| 05:26.57 | bryjen | learnerAtWork: Patlabor221 said the inverted pyramid reflecting shots down is weird |
| 05:27.04 | captain_proton | ...regression test? |
| 05:27.10 | learnerAtWork | bryjen: itfeature |
| 05:27.26 | MrApathyCream | chestal is a big test proponent |
| 05:28.00 | MrApathyCream | any value in unit tests? |
| 05:28.26 | Patlabor221 | yeah I put a fixme in there, asked for help, but to no avail |
| 05:28.40 | Patlabor221 | have to have some tests |
| 05:28.40 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, ? regarding? |
| 05:28.51 | Patlabor221 | regarding downward sloping shots |
| 05:28.55 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 05:28.59 | Patlabor221 | they need to bounce off the floor |
| 05:29.14 | MrApathyCream | yeah they do, but it's been like that forever, i don't see it as a big issue |
| 05:29.21 | Patlabor221 | somone who didn't make the code and knows what "SHOULD" happen needs to test |
| 05:29.33 | MrApathyCream | <in the ideal world> |
| 05:29.37 | Patlabor221 | MAC they don't do that now, they just blow up |
| 05:29.52 | captain_proton | all vertical reflections are broken |
| 05:29.54 | Patlabor221 | no, not in an ideal world, in the real world we live in, as a minimum |
| 05:30.09 | Patlabor221 | you can't just make code and hope it works |
| 05:30.16 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, again tho, if it doesn't happen what are you going to do? |
| 05:30.27 | Patlabor221 | then it's not a project anymore |
| 05:30.35 | Patlabor221 | it's a toy for peeople to code in |
| 05:30.37 | MrApathyCream | Do we go out to all the bzworlds, and invite people off the field to test 1.9? |
| 05:30.54 | Patlabor221 | the project should have a beta list |
| 05:30.56 | MrApathyCream | Do we post a 1.9beta to the sf site and invite people? |
| 05:31.15 | Patlabor221 | noone reads the SF site |
| 05:31.20 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: we know that feature creep without a plan leads to disaster - EVERY software project which has tried that ends badly |
| 05:31.22 | MrApathyCream | or bzbb |
| 05:31.22 | Patlabor221 | stats is your high trafic site. |
| 05:31.41 | Patlabor221 | bzbb is the next highest trafic site |
| 05:32.07 | Patlabor221 | but then you will get like 5 people who respond on bzbb, |
| 05:32.19 | Patlabor221 | and they all will want to know what each feature is suposed to do |
| 05:32.28 | Patlabor221 | how else can you verify that it's right? |
| 05:32.30 | MrApathyCream | If you tell people about rabbit and new flags, that should get enough interest to test |
| 05:32.40 | Patlabor221 | we did |
| 05:32.44 | Patlabor221 | ages ago |
| 05:32.51 | Patlabor221 | it got some testers for a week or 2 |
| 05:32.52 | MrApathyCream | yes but did we say download it now.... |
| 05:32.52 | Patlabor221 | then died |
| 05:32.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:33.02 | Patlabor221 | you don't read BZBB do you? |
| 05:33.06 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 05:33.14 | Patlabor221 | I was building windows exes daily |
| 05:33.19 | MrApathyCream | got tired of the "Then he kicked me for no reason" messages |
| 05:33.31 | scanline | how about we release a worm that kills all the 1.7 servers in such a way that it tells people to upgrade to 1.9? |
| 05:33.31 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's still there |
| 05:33.40 | learnerAtWork | being a major release, it's going to need a major shove to get players migrated |
| 05:33.50 | MrApathyCream | scanline, we could just break the list server |
| 05:33.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah your only gonna get 5-10 perma servers to swap |
| 05:34.00 | captain_proton | to break the list server we need tim |
| 05:34.21 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton, do you think he would do it? |
| 05:34.27 | captain_proton | no |
| 05:34.32 | scanline | -rw-rw-r-- 1 davidtro bzflag 32 Mar 25 18:00 list-server.txt |
| 05:34.35 | captain_proton | he won't break anything by choice |
| 05:34.55 | Patlabor221 | he dosn't want the game to change |
| 05:35.01 | captain_proton | scanline: yeah, but i don't have the resources to run a list server |
| 05:35.23 | Patlabor221 | he wants 3 year olds to still play it and have fun, and have 18 year old punks have fun too |
| 05:35.24 | MrApathyCream | i could massage my code so that it immediately ends shots of all players on all servers :) |
| 05:35.41 | scanline | wouldn't need to be a real list server, just a dealy that tells people to upgrade to 1.9 then forwards to the real one :) |
| 05:35.43 | learnerAtWork | If we do enough in-house debugging over say the next two weeks, without the addition of new features... |
| 05:36.03 | Patlabor221 | can the list server even send text to a client? |
| 05:36.13 | scanline | it would put it in the server descriptions |
| 05:36.24 | scanline | if you connect with 1.7, you just get one server with a description telling you to upgrade |
| 05:36.24 | Patlabor221 | think anyone would read that? |
| 05:36.42 | Patlabor221 | most players didn't even know Tim's mail address |
| 05:36.44 | scanline | they would have to, since none of the servers would appear :) |
| 05:36.47 | Patlabor221 | and that's in the server descitption |
| 05:37.05 | MrApathyCream | scanline, how would you get 1.7 clients to point to the new list server? |
| 05:37.12 | learnerAtWork | would it be possible to cut a 1.7/1.9 _client_ at this point without rehauling? |
| 05:37.16 | scanline | MrApathyCream: 1.7 doesn't read list-server.txt? |
| 05:37.19 | Patlabor221 | change the http file |
| 05:37.25 | MrApathyCream | oh, yeah, sorry |
| 05:37.30 | MrApathyCream | lenarner: absolutely not |
| 05:38.54 | Patlabor221 | it will take 6-8 weeks to get every server op to upgrade |
| 05:39.02 | Patlabor221 | I don't think most of them even look at it. |
| 05:39.04 | MrApathyCream | The 1.7 world could be blank and use advertise message to say to upgrade |
| 05:39.17 | captain_proton | we still have a lot of g0 and older servers |
| 05:39.21 | Patlabor221 | noone reads there /reports now anyway |
| 05:39.25 | captain_proton | i've noticed some that don't have /idlestats |
| 05:39.38 | MrApathyCream | You don't think the carrot of rabbit and flags will be more motiviation to upgrade? |
| 05:39.54 | scanline | we could throw in new textures :) |
| 05:39.57 | learnerAtWork | cap: easy -- turn off the 1.7 list server when 1.9 is stable :) |
| 05:40.24 | MrApathyCream | Well you guys want to test 1.9 for the next 20 mins or so? |
| 05:40.45 | MrApathyCream | learner you have a server yes? |
| 05:41.11 | bryjen | I'd think Chestal and Quol would switch. I would (for all the little traffic my server gets) |
| 05:41.23 | MrApathyCream | chestal would definitely switch |
| 05:41.27 | learnerAtWork | mac: yes |
| 05:41.38 | learnerAtWork | though I can only handle 8 players max |
| 05:42.16 | Patlabor221 | my point is still this, so 1.9 gets out, then what? just more shoehoring of stuff unitll somone gets mad again? |
| 05:42.35 | scanline | nah, by then pybzflag will be up to version 6.8 |
| 05:42.40 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 05:42.42 | MrApathyCream | after 1.9, the things that go in are the things that you, me, cap and whoever works on it want in |
| 05:43.15 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: thats a really great way to make the code an unusable mess |
| 05:43.23 | Patlabor221 | mac, so more little things? |
| 05:43.24 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton, sure is! |
| 05:43.36 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, you can put in as abig a thing as your willing to write |
| 05:43.37 | Patlabor221 | and the place I want BZ to go is difrent then I know YOU want it to go |
| 05:43.38 | MrApathyCream | (completely) |
| 05:43.49 | Patlabor221 | ok, then I'm going to remove flags |
| 05:44.09 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton, may i ask what is crappier about 1.9? |
| 05:44.56 | Patlabor221 | what is better? |
| 05:45.07 | Patlabor221 | some files got split up that's about it |
| 05:45.15 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, you work on a win32 system originally made for mac, and you can't take bzflag? |
| 05:45.34 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 05:45.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah cus I know what our software is suposed to do. |
| 05:46.00 | learnerAtWork | crash? :) |
| 05:46.00 | Patlabor221 | and when something needs to be difrent we sit down, spec it out and rearch it |
| 05:46.14 | MrApathyCream | learner :) |
| 05:46.19 | Patlabor221 | naw, we just lock now, not a full crash, paradigm shift :) |
| 05:46.45 | Patlabor221 | but really I would want to remove flags |
| 05:46.48 | MrApathyCream | careful you may lose support contract money if you do that |
| 05:46.55 | Patlabor221 | I know that would catch some flac |
| 05:47.04 | Patlabor221 | we don't do support contracts |
| 05:47.15 | Patlabor221 | suppermoves!!!!! :) |
| 05:47.31 | learnerAtWork | supermoves rocks! |
| 05:47.35 | Patlabor221 | watch outlaw star |
| 05:47.38 | captain_proton | YEA FOR SUPERMOVES |
| 05:47.42 | bryjen | BZ*Flag* with no flags, Patlabor221 ? |
| 05:47.55 | Patlabor221 | yeah, brygen, they make no sense for powerups |
| 05:48.05 | Patlabor221 | the FLAG is for CTF |
| 05:48.15 | learnerAtWork | did you guys see the extra short clip with the final fantasy girl? |
| 05:48.23 | Patlabor221 | no, where? |
| 05:48.25 | Patlabor221 | she's hot |
| 05:48.30 | Patlabor221 | well hot for a surface model |
| 05:48.33 | learnerAtWork | on the animatrix dvd |
| 05:48.44 | Patlabor221 | if it was an iges file I would totaly do her. |
| 05:49.08 | learnerAtWork | hehe |
| 05:49.17 | Patlabor221 | I would also add ammo |
| 05:49.30 | Patlabor221 | turn the superflags into "goodies" |
| 05:49.44 | learnerAtWork | heck, if I were vrml I would! |
| 05:49.51 | bryjen | getting quake-ish |
| 05:49.59 | Patlabor221 | so |
| 05:50.09 | Patlabor221 | quake is FUN and very popular |
| 05:50.19 | learnerAtWork | it would all be server configureable, why not? |
| 05:50.22 | Patlabor221 | BZflag is quake with bad physics anyway |
| 05:50.29 | captain_proton | no it isn't |
| 05:50.34 | bryjen | uh, yeah, 'cuz quake is sooo bad, we dont wanna be like that...... ;) n/m |
| 05:50.35 | captain_proton | bzflag is very unlike most FPS games |
| 05:50.46 | learnerAtWork | I'd like to see "parts" on the playing field (ala xpilot/subspace/etc) |
| 05:50.47 | Patlabor221 | controll is difrent |
| 05:50.50 | Patlabor221 | but the point is the same |
| 05:50.54 | Patlabor221 | the view is the same |
| 05:50.57 | Patlabor221 | get stuff and shoot people |
| 05:51.09 | Patlabor221 | it is a lot slower and way more tactical |
| 05:51.18 | Patlabor221 | and I think that's what difirentiates it. |
| 05:51.35 | Patlabor221 | but if you take it down to the most basic mechanic, they are the same |
| 05:51.44 | learnerAtWork | sure - it's a game |
| 05:52.03 | bryjen | crank the shot limit up to 10 and it gets closer |
| 05:52.05 | Patlabor221 | it's a first person, 3d, free roaming, shooting game specificly |
| 05:52.16 | Patlabor221 | to me those are all just minor things |
| 05:52.22 | Patlabor221 | I could mod quake to play like BZ |
| 05:52.26 | Patlabor221 | it would be simple |
| 05:52.39 | Patlabor221 | it's just game paramaters |
| 05:52.53 | learnerAtWork | how about the non-photorealistic quake? =) |
| 05:53.07 | Patlabor221 | blueprint mode :) |
| 05:53.16 | Patlabor221 | but the idea is run around a world shooting |
| 05:53.39 | bryjen | shoot things. get stuff. don't get shot. |
| 05:54.09 | Patlabor221 | unbind sidestep, bind up mouse controlls, turn the shot speed and timing down a lot, remove heath, and armour, change the runes around, and replace the model, and you got the same thing |
| 05:54.28 | Patlabor221 | just with lightmaps :) |
| 05:54.45 | Patlabor221 | you could make quake maps that look like BZflag worlds even |
| 05:55.04 | Patlabor221 | so why not look at what those games have done and take what is good and fun from them |
| 05:55.15 | Patlabor221 | but your reaction is my base point |
| 05:55.26 | Patlabor221 | where I want BZ to go, is difrent then where YOU want bz to go |
| 05:55.37 | Patlabor221 | and if you have no direction, it goes nowhere. |
| 05:55.42 | bryjen | who are you ranting at currently? |
| 05:55.51 | Patlabor221 | hence the need for a strong leader |
| 05:55.56 | Patlabor221 | mostly just the air |
| 05:56.00 | Patlabor221 | I'm on a rool :) |
| 05:56.04 | bryjen | Ok |
| 05:56.17 | Patlabor221 | ok I'm unrolled now |
| 05:56.24 | Patlabor221 | I think Mac fell asleep |
| 05:56.37 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 05:57.00 | bryjen | someone flipped the switch on his chair |
| 05:57.18 | Patlabor221 | I think it will take more then 110 to kill that guy :) |
| 05:57.36 | captain_proton | thats why he's on a 230 circuit |
| 05:57.37 | cods | there is a cheater on lanabe.de, there is a admin of this server here ? |
| 05:58.06 | Patlabor221 | I mean it's good to love a game, but to just push it and not know why, or even try to see a difrent point of view, is kinda bad. |
| 05:58.29 | learnerAtWork | holy carp |
| 05:58.33 | scanline | it's a good point though... bzflag really wasn't designed to be at all generic.. it might make the most sense to leave bzflag as-is for a while and just make a similar game using a more capable engine |
| 05:58.35 | learnerAtWork | just read dmp's thread |
| 05:58.47 | Patlabor221 | that's what I'm thinking |
| 05:58.58 | Patlabor221 | it's way outside it's orgonal design paramaters |
| 06:00.05 | Patlabor221 | and it needs thor's hammer |
| 06:00.20 | bryjen | Wha? |
| 06:00.24 | Patlabor221 | used to love getin a lucky shot off on those things |
| 06:00.43 | learnerAtWork | =) |
| 06:00.43 | Patlabor221 | then shouting "SUCK IT" to somone in newzeeland who could not posibly hear me. |
| 06:01.13 | Patlabor221 | I should show you the mac version of subspace I was working on long ago |
| 06:01.26 | scanline | captain_proton: thinking about restartingup jetstream? :) |
| 06:01.49 | learnerAtWork | Patlabor221: yes you should! |
| 06:02.11 | Patlabor221 | we droped it cus we coudn't get more then 15fps on a PPC 6100 |
| 06:02.19 | learnerAtWork | ewww |
| 06:02.22 | Patlabor221 | it's OS7 stuff |
| 06:02.35 | Patlabor221 | very old school |
| 06:02.47 | learnerAtWork | ewwww |
| 06:02.49 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 06:02.50 | Patlabor221 | I think the last versions used sprocktes |
| 06:03.00 | Patlabor221 | cus they were "NEW" |
| 06:03.01 | learnerAtWork | still be cool to see it :) |
| 06:03.12 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure I have it at work |
| 06:03.16 | Patlabor221 | I'll stuff it up |
| 06:03.18 | bryjen | What about Patlabor221's Screamers or bzfrank's 2501 thingies ? |
| 06:03.20 | learnerAtWork | sweet |
| 06:03.26 | Patlabor221 | I ran it on the G4 recenly |
| 06:03.32 | Patlabor221 | 164 fps |
| 06:03.42 | learnerAtWork | heh -- see, just ahead of your time ;) |
| 06:03.46 | Patlabor221 | P2501 is kinda crapy |
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| 06:04.08 | Patlabor221 | it foollows the same "design" as bzflag just uses some newer tech |
| 06:04.15 | Patlabor221 | it does NOT look expandable |
| 06:04.28 | learnerAtWork | mmu_man: is the beos port done/dead/halted? |
| 06:04.43 | Patlabor221 | Screamers looked purdy but I am not happy with the internals |
| 06:04.46 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 06:04.59 | Patlabor221 | I tried to like his code, but even after he sent it to me, it was funky |
| 06:05.09 | Patlabor221 | I coudld never even get stuff to build |
| 06:05.13 | bryjen | now /me must wonder if Patlabor221 is becoming a greefer |
| 06:05.17 | Patlabor221 | or even make a map for it |
| 06:05.30 | learnerAtWork | silly windows programmers.. |
| 06:05.35 | Patlabor221 | naw, I'll give anything a chance |
| 06:06.02 | Patlabor221 | I even started making models for him, but he droped off the face of the planet it seems |
| 06:07.13 | bryjen | not even many nice things to say about his own baby.... |
| 06:07.14 | learnerAtWork | Patlabor221: who? |
| 06:07.14 | Patlabor221 | and no CVS or anything like that for anyone to contribute too |
| 06:07.23 | Patlabor221 | bzfrank |
| 06:07.26 | learnerAtWork | ah |
| 06:07.33 | Patlabor221 | well I am reworking screamers |
| 06:07.48 | learnerAtWork | does it build on os x? :) |
| 06:07.50 | Patlabor221 | the goal of screamers was to be as open ended and expandable as posible |
| 06:08.07 | Patlabor221 | I don't think he ever tried the 'tosh |
| 06:08.13 | learnerAtWork | tsk |
| 06:08.20 | Patlabor221 | but I screwed up the game classes, they got too funky. |
| 06:08.54 | Patlabor221 | thankfully cus all the other stuff is comparementalised its really easy to use all the parts for screamers |
| 06:09.48 | Patlabor221 | I put too much of the physics stuff inside the game logic |
| 06:10.30 | Patlabor221 | so now it's nivie :) |
| 06:11.06 | learnerAtWork | mmu_man? |
| 06:11.50 | mmu_man | ? |
| 06:12.08 | mmu_man | let's say I'm on vacation |
| 06:12.15 | mmu_man | it's not really usable as is |
| 06:12.28 | learnerAtWork | okay -- good to know |
| 06:12.39 | learnerAtWork | updating the wiki for status |
| 06:12.59 | learnerAtWork | we might cut a beta release soon -- so I moved it down to the on-going work for now |
| 06:13.54 | learnerAtWork | hey.. another question.. |
| 06:14.10 | learnerAtWork | do you know if the zeta guys have access to the source? |
| 06:14.38 | learnerAtWork | random slashdot commented implied they do, but I see nothing to that effect of their website |
| 06:17.06 | learnerAtWork | teamkills? |
| 06:17.11 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 06:17.18 | learnerAtWork | hmmm.. interesting thought |
| 06:17.26 | Patlabor221 | friendly fire in a team game is too large a problem |
| 06:17.32 | Patlabor221 | same in a rabbit game |
| 06:17.33 | learnerAtWork | it would change gameplay for sure |
| 06:17.55 | Patlabor221 | and shut down the most common greifer action |
| 06:17.55 | learnerAtWork | you could use your teammates for cover |
| 06:18.16 | Patlabor221 | I would just stop shots that hit them |
| 06:18.25 | Patlabor221 | so you still have to aim and all that |
| 06:18.34 | Patlabor221 | or rico them :) |
| 06:18.58 | learnerAtWork | that might cause a lot of grief though -- from players (myself included :P) that like the realizm/penalty of being able to hit anything |
| 06:19.15 | learnerAtWork | "shut"? |
| 06:19.16 | Patlabor221 | then they should shut up about TKers |
| 06:19.44 | mmu_man | learnerAtWork that's still a topsecret item :p |
| 06:19.49 | Patlabor221 | cus it all goes together |
| 06:20.16 | shut | :) |
| 06:20.18 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 06:20.44 | Patlabor221 | didn't we ban a bot by that name? |
| 06:20.48 | shut | yeah |
| 06:20.59 | shut | every time bzdoug would talk, the bot would say /me up doug |
| 06:21.20 | Patlabor221 | and again I state it's bannedness |
| 06:21.26 | learnerAtWork | Patlabor221: ban voting should also work effectively (all the tk-capable games I know of have such a feature and work well) without limiting the gameplay |
| 06:22.07 | learnerAtWork | Patlabor221: it would be a great server option -- perhaps that was simply passed to the client |
| 06:22.10 | Patlabor221 | what ones? I see vote changes and stuff but I've never played one with ban |
| 06:22.50 | Patlabor221 | by changes I mean for maps |
| 06:23.08 | Patlabor221 | it still boggles me that bzflag dosn't even have a map rotator |
| 06:23.17 | Patlabor221 | or a way to spec a map when running a local server |
| 06:23.37 | Patlabor221 | CS and stuff do map changes |
| 06:24.15 | Patlabor221 | ohh if you want deformable terain and stuff just go play Treadmarks |
| 06:24.21 | Patlabor221 | and see how bad it really is :) |
| 06:24.33 | learnerAtWork | heh, bad? |
| 06:24.45 | Patlabor221 | game play wise |
| 06:24.49 | Patlabor221 | it sounds like a good idea |
| 06:24.56 | Patlabor221 | but there are a lot of issues that crop up |
| 06:25.08 | Patlabor221 | mostly having to do with aiming and controll |
| 06:25.31 | Patlabor221 | and shooting the ground when you try to shoot a guy :) |
| 06:26.03 | Patlabor221 | turret controll makes for one funky controll setup |
| 06:26.14 | Patlabor221 | gonk, pick one allrady |
| 06:27.09 | Patlabor221 | any kind of slope in the terain is going to mean at least one more axis of controll that is needed |
| 06:27.18 | Patlabor221 | and with a mouse you only get 2 |
| 06:27.32 | Patlabor221 | so one has to go to the keyboard or a stick |
| 06:28.28 | Patlabor221 | and you generaly want your aiming axes to be the analog ones |
| 06:29.57 | learnerAtWork | Patlabor221: counter-strike is one such game with vote-kicking, another is the tribes series |
| 06:30.06 | Patlabor221 | ahh cool |
| 06:30.11 | Patlabor221 | never used it |
| 06:30.16 | Patlabor221 | but hey it could work |
| 06:30.25 | learnerAtWork | they tell me it works very well |
| 06:30.27 | Patlabor221 | tho I'm sure they have less cheating due to closed sourceness |
| 06:30.32 | Patlabor221 | it's posible it could |
| 06:30.38 | Patlabor221 | but It could be abused |
| 06:30.53 | learnerAtWork | actually, I would be the quality of our cheats will just rise |
| 06:30.53 | Patlabor221 | that's all I fear |
| 06:31.05 | learnerAtWork | s/be/bet/ |
| 06:31.14 | Patlabor221 | yeah probably |
| 06:31.19 | Patlabor221 | it's not a cheat solution |
| 06:31.26 | Patlabor221 | not by any defintion |
| 06:31.36 | learnerAtWork | well -- if it's an obvious cheat it is |
| 06:31.48 | Patlabor221 | and you rally enough support |
| 06:32.05 | Patlabor221 | but it's also an abuse mechanism so to me it kinda evens out it's usefullness |
| 06:32.16 | Patlabor221 | but ya never know |
| 06:32.23 | Patlabor221 | we are all just speculating :) |
| 06:32.36 | learnerAtWork | yes.. I'm told the system sort of self-karmafies itself too -- known players that initiate a vote influence how the votes are cast |
| 06:32.47 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 06:32.51 | Patlabor221 | that's nice |
| 06:32.59 | Patlabor221 | so it is kinda tied to some account on the server |
| 06:33.02 | learnerAtWork | more of a side effect, that a design |
| 06:33.10 | Patlabor221 | well CS is a mod |
| 06:33.22 | Patlabor221 | so it was sorta thrown together |
| 06:33.35 | learnerAtWork | no -- i mean say we're playing on ducati -- if bzg requested a vote to ban -- I would affirm it just because she requested |
| 06:33.42 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 06:33.44 | Patlabor221 | I see |
| 06:33.46 | Patlabor221 | makes sense |
| 06:34.01 | Patlabor221 | I would still make vote and initate vote perms |
| 06:34.07 | learnerAtWork | where as I'd deny a newbie just for being a newbiew |
| 06:34.21 | Patlabor221 | some servers may want to restrict who can initate and vote |
| 06:34.27 | learnerAtWork | also, unknowns that request bans are often kicked for doing that without cause |
| 06:34.29 | Patlabor221 | maybe at least make them register and login |
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| 06:35.15 | learnerAtWork | it would solve a majority of the current turf disputes at least imo |
| 06:35.25 | Patlabor221 | posibly |
| 06:35.36 | Patlabor221 | or posibly start more |
| 06:35.39 | learnerAtWork | we could then graduate to bigger issues |
| 06:35.39 | Patlabor221 | as people take sides |
| 06:35.49 | Patlabor221 | and now have power to "enforce" it |
| 06:36.09 | learnerAtWork | majority would have to rule, and votes would be anonymous |
| 06:36.22 | learnerAtWork | not necessarily 50% -- perhaps much higher |
| 06:36.35 | captain_pistachi | freaking comcast up and broke their dhcp server |
| 06:37.18 | Patlabor221 | you could just keep submiting patches to them :) |
| 06:37.27 | captain_proton | in a few days or so i'll be off comcast and on dual dsl :) |
| 06:38.56 | learnerAtWork | uh oh.. cap's going to see all the stuff we said about him! |
| 06:39.14 | Patlabor221 | like when you called him Nancy? |
| 06:39.41 | captain_proton | audrey farber? |
| 06:39.46 | captain_proton | susan underhill? |
| 06:39.56 | captain_proton | what about...betty joe biolosky? |
| 06:40.06 | learnerAtWork | hehe |
| 06:40.58 | learnerAtWork | cap, where's are server usage stats? |
| 06:41.05 | learnerAtWork | I know I've seen them before |
| 06:41.46 | Patlabor221 | bed even |
| 06:41.47 | Patlabor221 | 'night everyone :) |
| 06:43.17 | captain_proton | list.bzflag.org? |
| 06:45.23 | learnerAtWork | hrm.. that's the one.. thx (didn't answer first try) |
| 06:48.32 | learnerAtWork | interesting how you can see a slight decline in ducati's popularity over the past year |
| 06:48.57 | learnerAtWork | ever so slight, but there |
| 06:50.59 | learnerAtWork | eep.. the reverse is true.. |
| 06:51.29 | learnerAtWork | ducati has become more popular despite -- even more interesting |
| 06:52.57 | learnerAtWork | ~d |
| 06:53.35 | learnerAtWork | anyone remember who runs rosemeyer? |
| 07:03.35 | prot-work | bah! |
| 07:03.39 | prot-work | comcast can bite my shiny metal ass |
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| 07:36.37 | learnerAtWork | sweet .. there's a hurd channel on freenode.. |
| 07:36.41 | captain_proton | egads |
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| 07:38.14 | learnerAtWork | heh, the latest l4 microkernel is called "Pistachio" :) |
| 07:40.37 | learnerAtWork | heh, lilo hangs out there.. |
| 07:40.45 | learnerAtWork | in #hurd |
| 07:41.49 | captain_proton | aww |
| 07:42.04 | captain_proton | it would be so cool if they had the electronic theater content on the dvd |
| 07:42.18 | learnerAtWork | heh -- they do (at least some of it) |
| 07:42.24 | learnerAtWork | but you have to pay for it |
| 07:42.28 | learnerAtWork | out the *ss |
| 07:42.42 | captain_proton | they have a list of it |
| 07:42.44 | captain_proton | but no movies |
| 07:42.44 | learnerAtWork | $60/DVD -- there are 4 of them most years |
| 07:42.59 | captain_proton | oh - you mean its an "additionally for sale" type thing |
| 07:43.11 | learnerAtWork | this year was the first time they offered a discount: $40/dvd for members |
| 07:43.19 | learnerAtWork | I might have to get it just for the discount |
| 07:43.27 | learnerAtWork | yes.. additionally for sale.. |
| 07:43.32 | learnerAtWork | like t-shirts |
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| 08:14.45 | bomber | moin |
| 08:15.03 | bomber | learner: go to bed |
| 08:15.13 | bomber | :o) |
| 08:15.32 | learnerAtWork | hehe |
| 08:15.35 | learnerAtWork | moin, bomber |
| 08:17.11 | captain_proton | ooh |
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| 08:28.35 | learnerAtWork | high-quality pre-press quality image == 182 MB data for a single page :/ |
| 08:29.16 | learnerAtWork | thank goodness for png/pdf |
| 08:29.52 | learnerAtWork | 1300 dpi is a bit much, though |
| 08:34.23 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 08:34.32 | captain_proton | IFS is gonna be goooood this fall |
| 08:35.04 | learnerAtWork | internal file separator? |
| 08:35.21 | captain_proton | international film series |
| 08:35.44 | captain_proton | showing the TMBG documentary, donnie darko, koyaanisqatsi... |
| 08:36.37 | captain_proton | and for some reason, matrix reloaded |
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| 09:59.52 | bomber | hmmm...uni-mannheim |
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| 10:22.29 | [dmp] | Howdy |
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| 11:54.19 | dougAtWork | greetings bzgirl |
| 11:54.26 | bzgirl | hello |
| 11:59.51 | [dmp] | hi bzgirl |
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| 12:12.56 | learnerAtWork | er, nap |
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| 12:18.31 | [dmp] | morn learner :) |
| 12:19.57 | learnerAtWork | morn |
| 12:39.21 | bomber | hi learner |
| 12:39.53 | learnerAtWork | moin |
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| 13:26.04 | [dmp] | skitzo :) |
| 13:26.13 | aloof | :) |
| 13:27.02 | aloof | the nicks make a lot more sense in other places :) |
| 13:30.07 | aloof | fiber! g'mornin! |
| 13:30.12 | fiberchunks | moin |
| 13:30.21 | aloof | you forgot to whack learnerAtWork |
| 13:30.37 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 13:30.50 | fiberchunks | and quack too, it seems |
| 13:33.22 | dougAtWork | noo |
| 13:33.22 | dougAtWork | :) |
| 13:33.33 | dougAtWork | how about kentucky? or indiana |
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| 13:34.04 | david_v | :) |
| 13:34.05 | david_v | hi all |
| 13:34.10 | fiberchunks | no, I want nothing to do with 1) the east coast, 2) anything east of the black hills in south dakota |
| 13:34.35 | aloof | fiberchunks: heh -- you hit by the power outage? |
| 13:34.38 | dougAtWork | lol |
| 13:34.39 | [dmp] | hey dave |
| 13:34.41 | fiberchunks | yes |
| 13:34.52 | dougAtWork | wheres fiberchunks? |
| 13:34.58 | fiberchunks | that, and the mountains have gotten to me |
| 13:35.05 | fiberchunks | CT |
| 13:35.09 | dougAtWork | aha |
| 13:35.09 | david_v | http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_medical/story.jsp?story=433741 - "Iron-eating bug found to thrive in 121C heat" |
| 13:35.16 | dougAtWork | so your online how? :) |
| 13:35.38 | fiberchunks | oh, is there a power outage now? no, I didn't get hit by that -- lost power yesterday for about 3 hours |
| 13:36.06 | dougAtWork | lol |
| 13:36.20 | dougAtWork | all of north america is without power |
| 13:36.24 | bzgirl | only 3 hours? |
| 13:37.01 | dougAtWork | silly americans, cant keep the power on ;) |
| 13:37.10 | fiberchunks | perhaps north america should stop consuming so much :\ |
| 13:38.11 | dougAtWork | and they freakin take up so much room :) my keyboard can barly fit on the desk :) |
| 13:38.20 | david_v | dougAtWork: sounds like the iron-eating bugs will like them, see article above :) |
| 13:38.27 | dougAtWork | hah |
| 13:38.46 | dougAtWork | I will buy the bugs, you buy me twin 19 inch LCDs |
| 13:38.58 | david_v | ehh hey wait a minute :) |
| 13:39.24 | [dmp] | thats one fast delivery :-) |
| 13:39.36 | dougAtWork | lol |
| 13:39.38 | aloof | fiber: that's not long enough for the suds to warm up.. what's the problem? :) |
| 13:39.42 | david_v | [dmp] you bastard ;) |
| 13:39.56 | fiberchunks | aloof: heh :) |
| 13:39.58 | dougAtWork | gah |
| 13:41.12 | [dmp] | Thanks. I respanwed at some ugly phpcode |
| 13:41.22 | dougAtWork | lol |
| 13:41.31 | rooter | most phpcode is ugly |
| 13:42.00 | [dmp] | Especially when there is no challenge :) |
| 13:42.18 | [dmp] | or, the challenge is to keep focus. |
| 13:42.21 | rooter | :) at least it's not as ugly as VB |
| 13:42.28 | rooter | there is medication for that |
| 13:42.37 | dougAtWork | rooter lives |
| 13:42.47 | rooter | it's a habit |
| 13:42.52 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 13:43.00 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 13:43.05 | dougAtWork | :) |
| 13:43.17 | rooter | i'm working with php now... big boss wants a blog |
| 13:43.38 | rooter | but boss wants it to authenticate against our sun box |
| 13:44.14 | fiberchunks | 'buy pre-made companies' ? |
| 13:44.21 | rooter | i use geekLog |
| 13:44.31 | dougAtWork | lol, sunday night>>monday afternoon, I got to work on getting my linux box to read some big ol sun hardrives, AND get them shared to some macs |
| 13:44.43 | rooter | ouch |
| 13:44.59 | dougAtWork | cuz the irix 02 box got its network fried |
| 13:45.00 | rooter | i just made geeklog authenticate against our imap server |
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| 13:45.12 | [dmp] | fiberchunks: if you want to create a company, it takes quit some time. So advocates creates companies, "store them" and sell them when somebody want to buy such a company (and save the time and paperwork) |
| 13:45.21 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 13:45.28 | dougAtWork | I was largly unsuccessfull, so they just went out and got another sgi box |
| 13:45.53 | rooter | i've never played with sgi |
| 13:45.59 | dougAtWork | me neither |
| 13:46.08 | dougAtWork | till that day :) |
| 13:46.12 | rooter | he |
| 13:46.24 | dougAtWork | rather cool box, the operating system really needs some... tweaks? |
| 13:46.42 | dougAtWork | hahahh |
| 13:46.52 | dougAtWork | er |
| 13:47.28 | rooter | Irix or Windows? |
| 13:47.50 | rooter | or linux |
| 13:48.11 | dougAtWork | Irix was hosting the files for the macs... |
| 13:48.21 | dougAtWork | and I had to get some files off it ASAP :) |
| 13:48.31 | rooter | hmm |
| 13:48.44 | dougAtWork | so, I crashed through 3 kernel builds before I found a precompiled version :) |
| 13:48.50 | dougAtWork | for XFS support |
| 13:48.52 | rooter | [dmp]: i tried movable type... i didn't like it |
| 13:49.30 | [dmp] | rooter: It was easy to install, it could handle more blogs without me having to do much extra work. And I didnt bother to look for more blogs. |
| 13:49.33 | [dmp] | .) |
| 13:50.45 | bzgirl | rooter: greymatter is good, you want php? |
| 13:51.13 | aloof | out of context, that sounds so funny |
| 13:51.25 | bzgirl | be quiet |
| 13:51.30 | bzgirl | :) |
| 13:52.14 | fiberchunks | course, I gotta finish these 2 packs of smokes fore I quit smoking |
| 13:52.17 | fiberchunks | ;) |
| 13:52.18 | aloof | fiberchunks: wow |
| 13:52.22 | aloof | heh |
| 13:53.02 | rooter | greymatter? |
| 13:53.20 | aloof | stuff between your ears, boy |
| 13:53.30 | rooter | aahh... got you... duh |
| 13:53.33 | aloof | :) |
| 13:53.36 | aloof | j/k |
| 13:53.57 | rooter | no.. it's a blog program |
| 13:54.08 | bzgirl | http://www.noahgrey.com/greysoft/ |
| 13:54.09 | aloof | very good |
| 13:54.50 | rooter | bzgirl: i've already gotten geeklog to authenticate against imap instead of the db |
| 13:55.13 | rooter | bzgirl: unless greymatter can do that out of the box (er, tar file) |
| 13:55.18 | bzgirl | rooter: i dont have any idea what that is |
| 13:55.27 | bzgirl | imap is email? |
| 13:55.35 | rooter | IMAP is email basicall |
| 13:55.36 | rooter | y |
| 13:55.42 | rooter | you can POP3 or IMAP |
| 13:55.58 | rooter | it needed to authenticate against their email username and password |
| 13:56.17 | rooter | and if the account didn't exist on the blog then create it |
| 13:56.36 | rooter | our users have too many username and passwords already |
| 13:56.43 | fiberchunks | can someone please send a large amount of voltage to my satellite receivers? I really can't stand TV now :\ |
| 13:57.03 | fiberchunks | it has to look 'accidental' so my girlfriend doesn't get suspicious |
| 13:57.35 | aloof | heh |
| 13:58.06 | dougAtWork | just flip the switch to 220 :) |
| 13:58.18 | fiberchunks | mmmm, not a bad idea |
| 13:58.28 | dougAtWork | Too few computrons available. |
| 13:58.51 | rooter | I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence. There's a knob called "brightness", but it doesn't seem to work. |
| 13:58.56 | [dmp] | rooter: what imap server do you use? |
| 13:59.09 | fiberchunks | heh, that's a steven wright line iirc ;) |
| 13:59.18 | fiberchunks | and entirely valid |
| 13:59.23 | rooter | [dmp]: gnu imap i believe |
| 13:59.38 | rooter | or possibly the one from Solaris |
| 13:59.43 | [dmp] | oh |
| 13:59.45 | fiberchunks | courier? |
| 13:59.47 | rooter | why? |
| 14:00.04 | [dmp] | i use tpop3d which is enough for me.. except i like to have imap as well. |
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| 14:00.14 | rooter | fiberchunks: actually it's a Gallagher line |
| 14:00.17 | dougAtWork | Daemons did it |
| 14:00.24 | fiberchunks | rooter: indeed ;) |
| 14:01.03 | rooter | [dmp]: we encourage our users to use IMAP |
| 14:01.06 | dougAtWork | static from plastic slide rules |
| 14:01.33 | rooter | we are going to secure IMAP soon and will turn off POP3 |
| 14:02.30 | [dmp] | my univeristy uses imap only, afaik. |
| 14:02.50 | dougAtWork | aha, here we go... for the satellite reciever: heavy gravity fluctuation, move <device> to floor rapidly |
| 14:02.52 | [dmp] | but they shut down my account, so i cannot get the serverinfo i need to get my mail :) |
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| 14:03.58 | fiberchunks | ah well |
| 14:04.15 | sussudio | to anyone with admin on xmission: 217.132.175.196 has been teamkiller all week. please ban. |
| 14:04.31 | rooter | Shut it down! Do you go there anymore? |
| 14:04.38 | dougAtWork | so just team kill him! :) |
| 14:04.52 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 14:04.52 | | shut up doug |
| 14:05.16 | rooter | i hate TV... and don't even own one |
| 14:05.41 | dougAtWork | Bogon emissions are leaking out again rooter :) cant just shut the server down! ;) |
| 14:06.28 | rooter | i don't date tv addicts or smokers |
| 14:06.40 | rooter | call me discriminating |
| 14:07.17 | dougAtWork | ~x es en voy a ganar dinero a hablar espa |
| 14:07.21 | david_v | rooter: i don' |
| 14:07.24 | david_v | ooops |
| 14:07.30 | david_v | i don't have any TV either |
| 14:08.04 | david_v | wouldn't bother anyway, when i have a computer :) |
| 14:08.07 | dougAtWork | I have the net :) |
| 14:08.10 | rooter | i have 4 running computers :) and a great sound system |
| 14:08.16 | david_v | hehe lucky you |
| 14:08.22 | david_v | i have 1½ :) |
| 14:08.28 | david_v | and 0 sound systems |
| 14:08.35 | david_v | or 0.1 :) |
| 14:08.50 | rooter | with wireless a network, DSL and a networked MP3 player... what more could you need |
| 14:08.59 | rooter | oh... and an extensive book collection |
| 14:09.19 | bzgirl | tsk |
| 14:09.24 | dougAtWork | lol |
| 14:09.38 | dougAtWork | sussudio is amusing sometimes :) |
| 14:09.52 | bzgirl | such anger though |
| 14:10.28 | dougAtWork | :) |
| 14:10.38 | david_v | rooter: The Guide should be enough :) |
| 14:10.54 | dougAtWork | and the BOFH books |
| 14:11.20 | rooter | david_v: I've read the guide plenty |
| 14:11.29 | rooter | i even have an illustrated version |
| 14:11.57 | david_v | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/index.html :) |
| 14:12.05 | rooter | anybody a Terry Pratchett fan? |
| 14:12.20 | david_v | oh i just borrowed from the library... *shame* :) |
| 14:12.38 | david_v | whenever i would get money i could buy some books |
| 14:13.39 | rooter | anybody here know why F7/F8 don't work as observer on the os X bz client? |
| 14:13.46 | bomber | nhmm |
| 14:13.47 | david_v | brb... |
| 14:13.53 | rooter | porn? |
| 14:13.54 | rooter | ;) |
| 14:14.04 | bomber | opengl porn :o) |
| 14:14.11 | bomber | muhaha |
| 14:15.09 | rooter | bomber: new graphics card? |
| 14:16.21 | [dmp] | "Lego gone bad", dosnt require a new graphics card :-) |
| 14:16.22 | bomber | nope |
| 14:16.49 | aloof | lego my eggo |
| 14:17.10 | rooter | The name LEGO is formed from the Danish words "LEgGOdt" ("play well"). |
| 14:17.31 | rooter | i have lego buildings in my fish tank at work |
| 14:17.32 | [dmp] | Its "Leg godt" :-) |
| 14:19.10 | [dmp] | a chinese compnay turn the logo upside down and called themself: 0637 .. They made toys very similar to lego :-) |
| 14:23.22 | rooter | I'm just a stupid american |
| 14:23.25 | aloof | lego my eggo is a play on "let go of my eggo waffle" -- cheesy commercial propaganda, yet it was effective marketing |
| 14:23.33 | rooter | those crazy chinese |
| 14:23.38 | rooter | You don't sew with a fork, so I see no reason to eat with knitting needles. |
| 14:27.49 | rooter | i need to get back to work... but i would rather go outside and play |
| 14:28.15 | aloof | go play :) |
| 14:28.23 | rooter | maybe i'll come up with an excuse to walk acros campus |
| 14:28.46 | aloof | just be sure to wear your flipflops |
| 14:28.54 | rooter | sandles work? |
| 14:29.00 | aloof | sandles are good too |
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| 14:29.19 | dougAtWork | mornin TimRiker |
| 14:29.25 | aloof | open toe-flat sole is the main criteria |
| 14:29.46 | TimRiker | moin |
| 14:30.07 | rooter | i have a meeting today with the VP... so i have nice pants and shirt on... but i refuse to wear shoes untill winter |
| 14:30.20 | aloof | good man |
| 14:32.20 | aloof | eek |
| 14:32.25 | dougAtWork | eep |
| 14:32.56 | dougAtWork | I would be too :) |
| 14:36.55 | bzgirl | make[2]: *** [OggAudioFile.o] Error 1 |
| 14:37.06 | dougAtWork | SWEET! |
| 14:37.14 | bzgirl | im getting a ton of OGG related errors building 1.9 |
| 14:37.30 | dougAtWork | hmm |
| 14:37.39 | dougAtWork | does 1.9 have oog support? |
| 14:37.46 | dougAtWork | I thought only 1.8 had it so far |
| 14:37.54 | rooter | does it require ogg libraries? |
| 14:38.04 | dougAtWork | yea |
| 14:38.06 | bzgirl | i dunno, i dont think i have any oggvorbis packages installed |
| 14:38.39 | dougAtWork | you sure its 1.9? |
| 14:39.10 | aloof | yes.. you need libvorbis and libogg |
| 14:39.13 | bzgirl | http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/bzflag-2003-08-14-20.41.43.tar.gz |
| 14:39.24 | dougAtWork | wow |
| 14:39.28 | aloof | they are required to build now |
| 14:40.06 | aloof | Tim: I have some cvs-relevant documentation that should be of some value |
| 14:40.15 | aloof | any problem with my sticking them in doc/ |
| 14:40.58 | aloof | or learner is aloof, however you want to look at it |
| 14:41.00 | TimRiker | aloof: nope. sounds good. |
| 14:41.18 | aloof | mkay |
| 14:41.50 | aloof | being aloof is better than being learner2 :) |
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| 14:45.42 | aloof | hellos bags |
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| 14:45.48 | BagsAtWork | hey |
| 14:46.11 | aloof | -bbb? |
| 14:47.23 | dougAtWork | unban |
| 14:47.32 | TimRiker | aloof: doug bans, which as you can see were not effective. |
| 14:47.41 | aloof | ah heh |
| 14:49.03 | dougAtWork | the other 2 are perfect cells bans :) |
| 14:49.17 | bomber | bye all |
| 14:49.28 | bzgirl | cu bomber |
| 14:49.49 | aloof | by bomber |
| 14:49.58 | dougAtWork | actully if I really worked at it I could get about 40 ips from 10 or so ISPs :) |
| 14:51.35 | [dmp] | mm |
| 14:54.07 | BagsAtWork | n hey dmp, read your post, welcome to the group |
| 14:54.20 | aloof | Tim: i have a one-page diagram in photoshop format, and a rendered version in pdf format |
| 14:54.28 | aloof | psd is 11mb pdf is 800k |
| 14:54.30 | dougAtWork | aloof: is at work? :P |
| 14:54.37 | aloof | dougAtWork: yes |
| 14:55.02 | dougAtWork | nlol |
| 14:55.04 | TimRiker | aloof: 11 mb? youser. you can't find an outline package that would be smaller? |
| 14:55.18 | [dmp] | BagsAtWork: "Thanks" |
| 14:55.20 | TimRiker | openoffice draw perhaps? |
| 14:55.41 | [dmp] | BagsAtWork: Hope it changes. I just cant find the motivation to do anything about it. |
| 14:56.20 | BagsAtWork | try making maps, it is helping me make it through this summer of "annoyances" |
| 14:57.44 | aloof | brb |
| 14:58.00 | rooter | 800k! aloof: if you send it to me i can make it smaller |
| 14:58.33 | dougAtWork | yea, use some patented compression algorithimm ;) |
| 14:59.17 | rooter | a one page shouldn't be 800k |
| 14:59.50 | rooter | SVG would be cool... but not very many people could view it |
| 15:00.01 | dougAtWork | yea, unless its a printing press sized page :) |
| 15:00.12 | rooter | lol |
| 15:00.29 | dougAtWork | then it would be pretty impressive |
| 15:01.58 | aloof | that is the sized down version |
| 15:02.05 | aloof | he original is pre-press high-quality |
| 15:02.18 | rooter | ah... now things click into place |
| 15:02.32 | aloof | original psd is 38 mb (expands to 187 active and 500 working) |
| 15:02.55 | dougAtWork | wee |
| 15:02.57 | aloof | that "small" one is only 600 dpi |
| 15:03.55 | aloof | TimRiker: yes, an outline package would have been better -- wasn't available when it was started/needed (the page was created for a need elsewhere) |
| 15:05.53 | dougAtWork | lol |
| 15:07.47 | rooter | :) like dial-up users? |
| 15:07.51 | dougAtWork | gee... |
| 15:08.02 | dougAtWork | is it a grafic? |
| 15:08.07 | dougAtWork | or all text? |
| 15:08.40 | rooter | has to be graphics |
| 15:08.43 | aloof | it's ideal for svg, but was done in photoshop -- it's boxes, lines, text, alpha blending |
| 15:08.56 | dougAtWork | :) |
| 15:08.59 | rooter | ooh... should have used illustrator |
| 15:09.11 | aloof | yes, but it wasn't available when it was started |
| 15:09.23 | rooter | are the vector boxes or rendered? |
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| 15:10.25 | aloof | it's all an image, effectively, once it's dumped to pdf -- so it's just a matter of picking a res low enough (without converting to illustrator) |
| 15:11.14 | dougAtWork | posh, pdfs are perfect for text :) |
| 15:11.25 | dougAtWork | run pdf capture to get the text out |
| 15:11.49 | rooter | hmm... true... pdfs are perfect for the boxes, lines and text |
| 15:11.49 | dougAtWork | and then edit the image to delete all the text out of the image :) |
| 15:12.12 | aloof | they are, when they come from something like illustrator -- not photoshop |
| 15:12.28 | aloof | photoshop renders the bad boy |
| 15:12.33 | rooter | you can export paths to illustrator using photoshop |
| 15:12.44 | aloof | hrm.. |
| 15:12.50 | aloof | good point -- forgot about that |
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| 15:24.59 | aloof | cap! enwaken thyself! |
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| 15:29.18 | rooter | aloof: learner: whoEverYouAre: You might have better luck opening the PSD in Illustrator... it usually keeps the vector shapes vector |
| 15:29.50 | aloof | already |
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| 15:31.39 | larsl | ~towers-hx2 |
| 15:32.28 | larsl | ~glasstowers-hx2 |
| 15:36.25 | aloof | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.50 | rooter | :) Scotty.... give us more RAM |
| 15:38.03 | rooter | :) me too |
| 15:38.11 | rooter | More is always better |
| 15:38.15 | rooter | i now |
| 15:38.19 | rooter | i now want 2G |
| 15:38.44 | rooter | b*st*rd ;) |
| 15:38.53 | rooter | Windows or Mac? |
| 15:38.59 | aloof | mac |
| 15:39.04 | rooter | good |
| 15:39.12 | rooter | oh.. you might be able to answer a question... |
| 15:39.21 | aloof | no |
| 15:39.25 | aloof | :) |
| 15:39.39 | rooter | when you are observing in bzflag on the os X client... does your F7/F8 work? |
| 15:39.53 | aloof | yes |
| 15:40.11 | rooter | hmmm.. i just got a powerbook and they aren't working |
| 15:40.29 | aloof | ah, on the powerbook, you need to bypass the system overlay |
| 15:40.36 | aloof | try fn->f7 |
| 15:40.41 | aloof | and fn->f8 |
| 15:40.41 | rooter | i've done that |
| 15:40.43 | rooter | doesn't work |
| 15:40.51 | aloof | pre Ti? |
| 15:41.00 | rooter | nope |
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| 15:41.18 | bzgirl | ~seen patlabor221 |
| 15:41.19 | | patlabor221 <~jeffm@adsl-64-167-78-97.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 8h 59m 32s ago, saying: ''night everyone :)'. |
| 15:41.19 | rooter | brand new PowerBook G4 15" |
| 15:41.30 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 15:41.34 | TimRiker | eep. poor wifi coverage. |
| 15:41.47 | TimRiker | k. what's next? what do we need to get 1.9 into common use? |
| 15:41.53 | rooter | :) |
| 15:43.54 | aloof | Tim, everything on the wiki todo is todone |
| 15:44.14 | TimRiker | I'd like the client to report a text version including platform and build date to the server. |
| 15:44.21 | TimRiker | todone? |
| 15:44.27 | TimRiker | ;-) |
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| 15:48.56 | bryjen | todo has beendone |
| 15:50.16 | bzgirl | what will 1.9 be called? |
| 15:51.09 | rooter | Bob? |
| 15:51.23 | bzgirl | bob..hmm |
| 15:51.45 | bryjen | let's not go there again... |
| 15:51.58 | rooter | :) |
| 15:52.20 | patlabor221 | 1.9.0 "mehhhh it's good enough" |
| 15:52.25 | patlabor221 | :P |
| 15:54.04 | bryjen | mehhhhh, whatsup, doc? |
| 15:55.15 | patlabor221 | sup |
| 15:55.18 | patlabor221 | it's dohnunt day |
| 15:55.50 | patlabor221 | where does ibot keep the logs |
| 15:55.52 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 15:55.57 | TimRiker | ~logs |
| 15:55.58 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 15:56.19 | bryjen | ~ax |
| 15:56.40 | patlabor221 | that's just stats as far as I can tell, I don't see the list of logs |
| 15:57.19 | bzgirl | http://ibot.rikers.org/bzflag/ |
| 15:57.56 | patlabor221 | ahhh no stats thanks :) |
| 15:59.23 | bryjen | UTC timestamps? |
| 16:01.06 | TimRiker | yes. we are global after all. |
| 16:03.46 | patlabor221 | hmm the log I want is techincaly still "today", is thre anyway to see that? |
| 16:04.41 | bryjen | "Yesterday's" log cuts off mid-evening US time |
| 16:04.43 | aloof | last nights conversation was rather thought provocative |
| 16:05.22 | patlabor221 | yeah I want that one from later |
| 16:05.39 | patlabor221 | Tim is there anyway to get the current days log? |
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| 16:07.08 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (TODO): priorities |
| 16:07.10 | aloof | pat: i could give you my log if not |
| 16:07.26 | aloof | looks like tim's reading the log himself |
| 16:07.49 | patlabor221 | could you please? |
| 16:08.25 | patlabor221 | I feel a bit bad for going off on mac like that |
| 16:08.29 | TimRiker | logs get processed on a nightly cronjob. |
| 16:08.33 | patlabor221 | but he just didn't seem to get the point. |
| 16:08.59 | aloof | pwd |
| 16:09.02 | aloof | eek |
| 16:09.04 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 16:09.12 | bryjen | 3rd strike learner |
| 16:09.27 | aloof | nah, Ive done it more than that.. :( |
| 16:09.52 | patlabor221 | Nth strike |
| 16:10.46 | patlabor221 | aloof yeah if you got a log that would be cool |
| 16:12.09 | aloof | starting at midnight edt okay? |
| 16:12.27 | patlabor221 | that should get it, it was after 10 my time IIRC |
| 16:12.51 | patlabor221 | mac left at around 11 I think |
| 16:12.58 | patlabor221 | and I stoped at like 11:45 |
| 16:13.21 | aloof | midnight my time we were talking about gonk's basement |
| 16:13.30 | patlabor221 | ok yeah then that's cool |
| 16:13.37 | patlabor221 | this was post gonk |
| 16:13.56 | aloof | http://brlcad.org/tmp/jabbertalk2.txt |
| 16:14.00 | patlabor221 | after the desk and the 1800 discusion |
| 16:17.00 | patlabor221 | hah now I can see what you all said about me after I left :) |
| 16:17.44 | aloof | :) |
| 16:18.14 | aloof | at least that log doesn't have private chats of me talking about you :) |
| 16:18.26 | patlabor221 | yeah otherwise I would cry |
| 16:18.31 | aloof | that's were all the juicy stuff was said |
| 16:18.59 | patlabor221 | you didn't insult my mom again did you? |
| 16:19.25 | aloof | heh, not that I'm aware of |
| 16:20.17 | patlabor221 | ohh then it's all probably true |
| 16:22.49 | captain_proton | ah TimRiker - finally :P |
| 16:27.02 | bryjen | netsplits are even more annoying in black and white plain text |
| 16:30.27 | TimRiker | captain_proton: the TODO? |
| 16:31.22 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 16:34.22 | bryjen | Is the floor/ceiling shot collision stuff a big mess, or does it just need someone to look at it? |
| 16:34.47 | aloof | latter |
| 16:35.22 | patlabor221 | it's not that bad I don't think |
| 16:35.28 | patlabor221 | I just coudn't figure out the math |
| 16:36.35 | aloof | if we're pointing out issues, I'd like to point out that I can't enter a game again using the "i" key |
| 16:38.30 | dougAtWork | hmm, have you stuffed up that subspace for mac? :) |
| 16:39.59 | patlabor221 | it has no network stuff |
| 16:40.08 | dougAtWork | oh |
| 16:40.11 | patlabor221 | I have a couple of things to do, then yeah I'll stuff it up |
| 16:40.21 | dougAtWork | :) |
| 16:40.26 | dougAtWork | with the source? :B |
| 16:40.58 | aloof | believe it or not, illustrator is still churning away on that photoshop conversion |
| 16:41.03 | dougAtWork | hahaha |
| 16:41.23 | aloof | according to the progress meter, it's 20% done :( |
| 16:41.42 | dougAtWork | sheesh |
| 16:42.15 | aloof | hardly any cpu |
| 16:42.16 | aloof | :( |
| 16:42.26 | dougAtWork | memory? |
| 16:43.01 | aloof | apparently it's using more than 1gb |
| 16:43.37 | dougAtWork | lol |
| 16:44.07 | dougAtWork | hmm, I could do it tonight on our number cruncher :) |
| 16:44.25 | bryjen | ratz. my ancient bz server box has older libraries than the box im building 1.9 on. :( |
| 16:44.31 | dougAtWork | lol |
| 16:47.26 | bryjen | hmmm, slackware 8. not as ancient as i thought. libstdc++ the difference. |
| 16:48.43 | [dmp] | cu guys |
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| 16:51.47 | patlabor221 | get the outlaw stars |
| 16:51.51 | patlabor221 | they are good as well |
| 16:53.00 | aloof | good stuff |
| 16:55.21 | patlabor221 | ahh good |
| 16:55.41 | patlabor221 | you should get the bebbops from navi once it gets its pipeage |
| 16:57.19 | aloof | cap, have you _seen_ final flight of the osiris? |
| 16:58.39 | captain_proton | aloof: yes |
| 16:58.54 | captain_proton | 'beyond' is 100x as impressive |
| 17:01.44 | Chestal | which one is 'beyong'? I like that colourful machien dreaming one best |
| 17:02.10 | captain_proton | Chestal: the one with the "haunted house" |
| 17:02.31 | Chestal | captain_proton: ah, yes, that's nice. But "mine" is the best by far :-) |
| 17:05.11 | captain_proton | heh |
| 17:05.28 | captain_proton | the thing that amazed me is that beyond is supposedly 40% 3d-computer-generated |
| 17:05.43 | aloof | cap: ah yes.. also awesome |
| 17:07.21 | aloof | Chestal: which is "mine"? |
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| 17:08.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | mornin #bzflag |
| 17:08.49 | Chestal | aloof: I have no idea how the episodes are naed and it's been a whiel since I watched it. But some machine is captured and then linked to the humans, and ther machien experiences a kind of dream |
| 17:08.50 | Chestal | hi sm |
| 17:09.55 | aloof | ah, yes |
| 17:10.12 | aloof | the one that looks like it would be so much better drunk or high.. |
| 17:10.23 | Chestal | exactly |
| 17:11.46 | Chestal | 'Matriculated' |
| 17:12.35 | patlabor221 | that one was odd |
| 17:12.36 | bzgirl | hi mb |
| 17:12.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | hi bzgirl |
| 17:13.06 | patlabor221 | aloof I found the code for the mac thing, just trying to get the mac on the net to get it off |
| 17:13.12 | aloof | sn0w_m0nkey: mb? |
| 17:13.30 | sn0w_m0nkey | aloof |
| 17:13.39 | bzgirl | nm aloof :) |
| 17:13.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | i used to go by m0nkey_b0y |
| 17:14.08 | aloof | ah .. heh |
| 17:14.19 | aloof | I'd forgotten that |
| 17:14.24 | Chestal | hi bzg, are you powered? :-) |
| 17:14.36 | bzgirl | sort of |
| 17:14.41 | sn0w_m0nkey | aloof..your normal alias? |
| 17:14.58 | *** join/#bzflag sik (~skammerdi@proxyr.kodak.com) |
| 17:14.59 | bzgirl | we have power...but they said they will rotate it around the city |
| 17:15.07 | captain_proton | hiya mb |
| 17:15.26 | learnerAtWork | "It's electric, shoobydoobeedoobeewaa" |
| 17:15.30 | sn0w_m0nkey | hi capitan |
| 17:15.57 | sik | hey bzgirl, where are you at that they are rotating power? |
| 17:16.14 | bzgirl | toronto |
| 17:16.34 | bzgirl | its the Americans fault anway |
| 17:16.42 | learnerAtWork | hehe |
| 17:16.53 | sik | ooooh, my favorite place to visit, I live in Rochester just south of you and visit all the time |
| 17:16.57 | bzgirl | we shold block them any more access to Niagra Falls |
| 17:17.05 | learnerAtWork | dang all those dang air conditioers |
| 17:17.24 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe bzg |
| 17:17.25 | sik | please don't cut of my Mike's Hard Lemonade though, AAAAAGGGGGGHHHH |
| 17:17.30 | patlabor221 | well it's your states over there learner |
| 17:17.30 | bzgirl | :) |
| 17:17.33 | patlabor221 | we have enough |
| 17:17.38 | patlabor221 | we steal it from cap |
| 17:17.50 | learnerAtWork | we have our own dirty nuclear over here |
| 17:18.07 | sik | Besides we know it's the labatts plant grocking beer that blew the fuse. |
| 17:20.19 | sn0w_m0nkey | i still use gerbils for my power plant |
| 17:20.20 | *** join/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 17:20.37 | sn0w_m0nkey | not like richard gere though :)) |
| 17:21.08 | bzgirl | sure |
| 17:21.44 | sn0w_m0nkey | did you lose power bzg? |
| 17:21.53 | bzgirl | yes |
| 17:22.00 | sn0w_m0nkey | i didn't even know about it till this morning. |
| 17:22.02 | bzgirl | 4pm too 3am |
| 17:22.07 | sn0w_m0nkey | wow |
| 17:22.14 | bzgirl | it wasnt too bad |
| 17:22.24 | bzgirl | went to a party ;-) |
| 17:22.31 | sn0w_m0nkey | woohoo!!! |
| 17:22.34 | sn0w_m0nkey | i like to hear that |
| 17:22.46 | *** join/#bzflag KR (~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com) |
| 17:22.55 | KR | hi all |
| 17:22.56 | bzgirl | hi kr |
| 17:22.58 | learnerAtWork | Mmm.. Elsinore beer |
| 17:23.04 | david_v | later |
| 17:23.06 | *** join/#bzflag tea|tree_ (~tea|tree@pD9E95469.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:23.07 | KR | mmm... beeeerrrr |
| 17:23.10 | bzgirl | sik: do you play bz as "sik"? |
| 17:23.20 | bzgirl | hi nicky |
| 17:23.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | hi kr |
| 17:23.49 | KR | heya sm |
| 17:23.55 | learnerAtWork | "Bob: Take off, eh? Take me to the brewery. No way. Take me to the breery." |
| 17:24.05 | learnerAtWork | "Doug: Ok, but then I'm taking you to the loony bin." |
| 17:25.11 | sik | bzgirl, no I don't play BZ or develop at all, I am friends with TimRiker and hang out here to chat with him. |
| 17:25.58 | bzgirl | ahh ok..didnt recognize the name :) |
| 17:26.07 | sn0w_m0nkey | a person who doesn't play bzflag? |
| 17:26.32 | sn0w_m0nkey | quack? |
| 17:26.36 | bzgirl | quack3 |
| 17:26.40 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 17:26.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | i used to be good at quack |
| 17:26.58 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 17:27.29 | sn0w_m0nkey | these games are lightening fast these days |
| 17:28.22 | KR | quack - the game with the killer ducks? |
| 17:28.34 | learnerAtWork | hehe, I remember that mod |
| 17:28.48 | learnerAtWork | and the chickens |
| 17:29.51 | KR | no, not the chickens...!!! |
| 17:29.59 | KR | :) |
| 17:30.39 | KR | learner you hoser, share the beers, eh? |
| 17:32.30 | learnerAtWork | Take off, no way. |
| 17:32.44 | bzgirl | KR: is CCz_Cataphract stil away? |
| 17:33.27 | learnerAtWork | It's a jelly. |
| 17:34.15 | learnerAtWork | ACK!!!!!! |
| 17:34.33 | learnerAtWork | Illustrator: "Unable to continue because the disk is full." |
| 17:34.37 | tea|tree_ | hey |
| 17:34.43 | tea|tree_ | hello guys |
| 17:34.53 | learnerAtWork | son of a .... |
| 17:34.59 | sn0w_m0nkey | hi T |
| 17:35.00 | patlabor221 | learnerAtWork http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/files/Project23.sit |
| 17:35.16 | tea|tree_ | hey sm |
| 17:35.25 | tea|tree_ | quack3 lol |
| 17:35.33 | tea|tree_ | sm how about a bz round |
| 17:36.00 | sn0w_m0nkey | i can play later perhaps |
| 17:36.12 | KR | I haven't heard from CCz in a loooonnnnggggg time, so AFAIK, yes he is... |
| 17:36.24 | sn0w_m0nkey | i am trying to finish so i can start my weekend |
| 17:36.26 | tea|tree_ | ~d |
| 17:36.27 | sn0w_m0nkey | woohoooooo!!! |
| 17:36.29 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 17:36.32 | tea|tree_ | lol? |
| 17:36.33 | KR | hi t |
| 17:36.36 | tea|tree_ | hey KR |
| 17:36.46 | tea|tree | whats going on sm |
| 17:36.49 | sn0w_m0nkey | besides T |
| 17:36.55 | tea|tree | BigBarrel? |
| 17:36.58 | tea|tree | huh? |
| 17:37.01 | sn0w_m0nkey | i will let you sleep easier tonight if we don't play |
| 17:37.03 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehehe |
| 17:37.09 | tea|tree | yeah |
| 17:37.11 | patlabor221 | learnerAtWork that is like 6 difrent versions of the thing. I just tried to run one of em on OSX and it dodn't go |
| 17:37.12 | tea|tree | lol |
| 17:37.13 | Chestal | CraXy Mouse is playing again :-) |
| 17:37.17 | tea|tree | yeah |
| 17:37.27 | sn0w_m0nkey | i am wirting a report T |
| 17:37.28 | tea|tree | Chestal: he is on his way getting a great CTF player |
| 17:37.34 | tea|tree | oh |
| 17:37.37 | tea|tree | about what? |
| 17:37.50 | learnerAtWork | pat: np, i'll take a peek still |
| 17:37.58 | Chestal | tea: has some evil lag peaks now and then |
| 17:38.06 | sn0w_m0nkey | a grant update for my section |
| 17:38.17 | tea|tree | Chestal: those where days where you get every day better and better |
| 17:38.58 | Chestal | tea: yes, now I only get slower and slower and have to try to compensate it with tactics |
| 17:39.00 | sn0w_m0nkey | i was possibly the worst player ever |
| 17:39.07 | tea|tree | thats correct |
| 17:39.24 | Chestal | waah, tankmann passed me in the ladder |
| 17:39.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | but my ducati skills are coming back to me |
| 17:39.29 | tea|tree | lol |
| 17:39.52 | Chestal | CraXy Mouse is now at the bottom of the ladder |
| 17:39.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | ;) |
| 17:40.17 | sn0w_m0nkey | i wish people would play more on 5155 duc |
| 17:40.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | ati |
| 17:40.25 | learnerAtWork | wow.. illustrator churned through 8gb of disk space before running out |
| 17:40.31 | Chestal | sometimes 5155 is nice |
| 17:40.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | your impressive with quick turn ches |
| 17:40.59 | Chestal | MortimeR is on #2 now, interesting |
| 17:41.14 | Chestal | sn0w_m0nkey: only sometimes, most of the time I suck with it as bad as everyone else :-) |
| 17:41.26 | sn0w_m0nkey | haaha |
| 17:41.29 | Chestal | but at least I try to use it |
| 17:41.38 | Chestal | most players just drop it |
| 17:41.43 | sn0w_m0nkey | i was inspired and tried it also |
| 17:41.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | i use it on hashmark alot now |
| 17:41.58 | learnerAtWork | quick turn rocks |
| 17:42.00 | Chestal | who is 'Stevie'? |
| 17:42.03 | sn0w_m0nkey | stay in the center of the field |
| 17:42.13 | captain_proton | learnerAtWork: run it on that sp3 ;) |
| 17:42.23 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 17:42.45 | KR | ew - I got the big bump down on the ladders... |
| 17:43.02 | sn0w_m0nkey | ladders? |
| 17:43.14 | learnerAtWork | eww.. is that like the mumps? |
| 17:44.02 | KR | I went from 2 to 5... sigh... it's my lame teammates, yeah thats it... ;) |
| 17:44.27 | Chestal | cal is stil at #1, but his ratign is dropping to a more normal level |
| 17:44.28 | learnerAtWork | yay for source and resources, pat |
| 17:44.29 | KR | Big Barrel was on yesterday too |
| 17:44.43 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@ACA5C524.ipt.aol.com) |
| 17:44.50 | sn0w_m0nkey | hi chick |
| 17:44.51 | KR | shhhh chik is here now |
| 17:44.53 | learnerAtWork | hello teamie |
| 17:44.58 | KR | :) |
| 17:45.00 | sn0w_m0nkey | yeah i played BB and you for awhile kr |
| 17:45.01 | Chikorita | hi sm |
| 17:45.16 | sn0w_m0nkey | and asdf |
| 17:45.17 | Chikorita | hey kayare |
| 17:45.22 | sn0w_m0nkey | and BOOGER |
| 17:45.23 | KR | you were on my team right? |
| 17:45.24 | patlabor221 | I told you it was OOOOOOLLLLDDD learnerAtWork |
| 17:45.25 | sn0w_m0nkey | heh |
| 17:45.29 | Chikorita | hiya teamie L :) |
| 17:45.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | i was freewheelin franklin |
| 17:45.51 | KR | lol - asdf was convinced u were SGI |
| 17:46.02 | KR | that was why I asked... |
| 17:46.07 | Chikorita | ooH dat was u Smonkey?! lol |
| 17:46.12 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 17:46.25 | bzgirl | hello Chikorita |
| 17:46.29 | sn0w_m0nkey | i was being shy |
| 17:46.31 | KR | where has SGI been? did he quit? |
| 17:46.41 | fiberchunks | allo |
| 17:46.55 | Chikorita | i tho freewheelin franklin was maybee Freelancer in disquise :P |
| 17:46.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | hi fiber |
| 17:47.00 | Chikorita | hi bzgirl |
| 17:47.12 | fiberchunks | heya monkey |
| 17:47.12 | Chikorita | hi fibah |
| 17:47.16 | fiberchunks | lo chiko |
| 17:47.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | nope...it was me |
| 17:47.45 | Chikorita | soooo kr wut u shhhh about huh huh huh ;) |
| 17:47.51 | Chikorita | talkin bout mee? |
| 17:48.07 | bzgirl | http://idlecrew.ath.cx:2380/~matze/pics/digicam/cccamp2003/IMG_0859.JPG |
| 17:48.13 | sn0w_m0nkey | brb |
| 17:48.19 | Chikorita | o hey bzgirl did u get affected by dat electrical blackout? |
| 17:48.36 | Chikorita | u kno here where i am wee lost power 4 like 5 seconds .. |
| 17:48.41 | bzgirl | yeah chiko, 11hours |
| 17:48.50 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 17:48.54 | bzgirl | and now its going to go again today |
| 17:49.03 | bzgirl | along with water im told |
| 17:49.14 | Chikorita | awww |
| 17:49.15 | fiberchunks | bzgirl: did that hit the left side of canuck-ville too ? ;) |
| 17:49.30 | bzgirl | like Alberta? |
| 17:49.38 | fiberchunks | precisely |
| 17:49.41 | bzgirl | no just ontario I think |
| 17:49.46 | Chikorita | yea wee have a scheduled black on late friday nite buh i not worried i bought lottsa batteries an flashlites :) |
| 17:49.49 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 17:49.52 | bzgirl | AB get power form Churchil Falls |
| 17:50.33 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 17:50.54 | fiberchunks | was there a reason for the blackouts in any newspapers? |
| 17:51.49 | tea|tree | geesh Ches |
| 17:51.53 | tea|tree | im where? |
| 17:51.54 | tea|tree | 200? |
| 17:52.24 | bzgirl | fiberchunks: some plant got hit by lightning |
| 17:52.24 | KR | power companies running windows I bet.. ;) |
| 17:52.36 | fiberchunks | lol kr |
| 17:52.52 | tea|tree | i think im so bad at the lader because im using so many aliases |
| 17:52.57 | KR | it has slowed whole internet down, might as well affect powergrid too :) |
| 17:53.05 | tea|tree | BTW hi fiber and angie |
| 17:53.11 | fiberchunks | lo tea|tree |
| 17:53.13 | Chestal | tea: yes, but you are actually improving :-) |
| 17:53.15 | Chikorita | ooH sum1 iz tryin 2 get da watamelon drunk |
| 17:53.26 | tea|tree | pff |
| 17:53.27 | rooter | learnerAtWork: did you figure out the Photoshop 2 Illustrator problem? |
| 17:53.29 | tea|tree | improving |
| 17:53.30 | tea|tree | pah |
| 17:53.49 | tea|tree | i was good once |
| 17:53.57 | KR | u still are good, t |
| 17:53.58 | Chestal | tea: your fellow Zees do not rank very well either at he moment |
| 17:54.08 | tea|tree | i know |
| 17:54.28 | Chestal | I think that GInku has the highest rating |
| 17:54.31 | rooter | at one time i was doing well on the ladder... then after a couple of weeks ago i fell like a tank at 2000 ft |
| 17:54.32 | Chikorita | iz dat sum sort of watamelon experiment? |
| 17:54.34 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 17:54.55 | tea|tree | my style has changed |
| 17:54.57 | tea|tree | somehow |
| 17:54.59 | rooter | calico has been at #1 for a while now |
| 17:55.05 | rooter | you're getting old :) |
| 17:55.11 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 17:55.19 | bzgirl | Chikorita: it vodka |
| 17:55.21 | KR | calico is a known cheater :) |
| 17:55.23 | Chestal | all the girls are not doing well either. Probably suffer from chat syndrome :-) |
| 17:55.25 | rooter | lol |
| 17:55.25 | KR | lol |
| 17:55.28 | Chikorita | learner: i cant match taday i am gonna b goin out lata sowee :\ |
| 17:55.30 | tea|tree | lol |
| 17:55.42 | tea|tree | jolly and bzg are the best players |
| 17:55.51 | Chikorita | haha chestal |
| 17:55.52 | learnerAtWork | mmmm... vodka |
| 17:55.53 | KR | chiko has a date |
| 17:55.58 | bzgirl | bzg is no good anymore tea |
| 17:56.00 | KR | is it with benson??? |
| 17:56.00 | Chikorita | :x |
| 17:56.03 | tea|tree | never was? |
| 17:56.04 | Chikorita | haha |
| 17:56.04 | learnerAtWork | Chikorita: :*( |
| 17:56.05 | tea|tree | ;) |
| 17:56.07 | fiberchunks | ooo oh, learnerAtWork's hittin the hardness |
| 17:56.11 | bzgirl | :) |
| 17:56.26 | tea|tree | Chik is female? |
| 17:56.33 | KR | we all heard the maryland vacation chiko/bens stories... |
| 17:56.37 | Chikorita | yes teatreee |
| 17:56.40 | tea|tree | oh sorry |
| 17:56.43 | tea|tree | lol |
| 17:56.47 | KR | and saw the video if we paid $4.95... |
| 17:56.54 | KR | :D |
| 17:56.56 | Chikorita | itz weird wen i can match learner cant an wen he can i cant :P |
| 17:57.00 | tea|tree | *confused* |
| 17:57.10 | Chikorita | blah bad timing |
| 17:57.14 | tea|tree | whats happend to Vbz |
| 17:57.17 | KR | "Chiko Gone Wild" :) |
| 17:57.29 | Chikorita | shup KR LoL |
| 17:57.29 | tea|tree | such good players |
| 17:57.35 | KR | :) |
| 17:57.40 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 17:57.48 | bzgirl | tea|tree: bamfy is on vacation, i havnt seen zwei or m1 in ages |
| 17:58.04 | KR | I gotta go kill Big Barrel some - c ya laters all |
| 17:58.07 | Chikorita | o BB iz playin |
| 17:58.07 | tea|tree | i have seen m1 |
| 17:58.11 | tea|tree | but zwei? |
| 17:58.12 | bzgirl | bye kr |
| 17:58.13 | Chikorita | c u there 2 |
| 17:58.59 | Chikorita | *sigh* |
| 17:59.21 | Chikorita | learner maybee tomorrow? |
| 18:00.12 | Chikorita | i would like 2 play a match b4 wee end up on da inactive list :p |
| 18:00.16 | tea|tree | Chestal: http://ladder.bzflag.org/new/show/index.php?id=2&lid=186&search=&group= |
| 18:00.29 | learnerAtWork | chika: i think so.. |
| 18:01.23 | Chikorita | k |
| 18:08.07 | sn0w_m0nkey | back |
| 18:08.20 | sn0w_m0nkey | Tea i played m1 the other day |
| 18:08.20 | fiberchunks | whee -- bluegrass |
| 18:08.23 | sn0w_m0nkey | he is around :) |
| 18:08.47 | sn0w_m0nkey | i havn't heard about this wild vacation story btw.. |
| 18:10.52 | sn0w_m0nkey | ~d |
| 18:11.10 | fiberchunks | whose vacation? mine? |
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| 18:11.27 | Chikorita | learner? |
| 18:11.29 | sn0w_m0nkey | something about maryland vacation chiko/bens stories..." |
| 18:11.44 | Chikorita | ooH talkin bout mee again eh LoL |
| 18:11.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | where'd you go fiber? |
| 18:11.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | i was chiko |
| 18:12.04 | sn0w_m0nkey | the gone wild part caught my ears |
| 18:12.06 | fiberchunks | calgary, alberta, and dillon, montana |
| 18:12.15 | Chikorita | learner BB an strayer dey r on ducati an ask us if wee wanna match .. |
| 18:12.22 | sn0w_m0nkey | northern lights eh fiber |
| 18:12.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | montana is beautiful |
| 18:12.42 | Chikorita | i can match if wee do it in like 30 minutes ... |
| 18:12.55 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 18:13.22 | fiberchunks | I saw about 6.8 million more stars where I was than anywhere near the east coast |
| 18:13.37 | fiberchunks | and _no_ horrendous 'orange city glow' |
| 18:14.03 | sn0w_m0nkey | sodium lights bad |
| 18:14.08 | sn0w_m0nkey | northern lights good |
| 18:15.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | will someone turn winter on please |
| 18:15.38 | fiberchunks | yah, I've decided to move to montana, actually |
| 18:15.41 | learnerAtWork | chika.. I'm going home now.. :))) |
| 18:15.45 | fiberchunks | probably within the next year |
| 18:15.47 | learnerAtWork | I'll be there in 20 minutes |
| 18:15.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | for real? |
| 18:15.50 | sn0w_m0nkey | cool |
| 18:15.52 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 18:15.52 | Chikorita | learner i can match , if u read dis i wil b on ducati tryin 2 stall HoW |
| 18:15.58 | bryjen | turn summer off first or you'll make an awful mess |
| 18:15.59 | sn0w_m0nkey | you ski or board? |
| 18:16.05 | Chikorita | o okies kewl Learner :0 |
| 18:16.06 | fiberchunks | neither :) |
| 18:16.06 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe bryjen |
| 18:16.06 | learnerAtWork | chikaokies :) |
| 18:16.06 | Chikorita | :) |
| 18:16.12 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 18:16.26 | sn0w_m0nkey | gonna give it a shot fiber? |
| 18:16.52 | fiberchunks | might as well, though I feel most of my wintertime vehicles will involve treads and skids ;) |
| 18:17.10 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahh |
| 18:17.23 | sn0w_m0nkey | i really liked it up there |
| 18:17.59 | sn0w_m0nkey | you have a business or something fiber? |
| 18:18.06 | sn0w_m0nkey | whats your angle? |
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| 18:19.03 | larsl | ~glasstowers |
| 18:20.49 | fiberchunks | my angle is that I'm sick and tired of the east coast, and frankly, I'll do anything to get the hell away from it ;) |
| 18:21.31 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehehe |
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| 18:22.03 | Chikorita | grr |
| 18:22.06 | sn0w_m0nkey | chiko |
| 18:22.08 | fiberchunks | and, I'll probably start a business when I get out there. I have a rancher buddy, who gave me some really good ideas to use |
| 18:22.09 | sn0w_m0nkey | grr |
| 18:22.28 | Chikorita | BB renegged on da match |
| 18:22.37 | sn0w_m0nkey | puterranch...yeeehaaawwww |
| 18:22.42 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 18:22.43 | Chikorita | lol sm |
| 18:22.55 | Chikorita | giddy up puter |
| 18:22.57 | fiberchunks | ya, ibm -- get in dat corral! *whips puter* |
| 18:23.09 | sn0w_m0nkey | well if you need a snowboard instructor at your ranch |
| 18:23.12 | sn0w_m0nkey | let me know :) |
| 18:23.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | i am ready to retire and do that for a living |
| 18:23.38 | fiberchunks | well, I'm looking at buying a 1000 acres or so, and hopefully they'll border BLM land or a natl forest (ideally) |
| 18:23.47 | sn0w_m0nkey | wow! |
| 18:23.50 | sn0w_m0nkey | 1000? |
| 18:23.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | that like ... alot |
| 18:23.58 | fiberchunks | 1000 is cheap out there man ;) |
| 18:24.04 | sn0w_m0nkey | how much? |
| 18:24.11 | sn0w_m0nkey | cuz i am listening |
| 18:24.22 | Chikorita | if any1 sees learner on later pwease tel him dat BB couldnt match cuz he forgot he had 2 go 2 werk |
| 18:24.23 | Chikorita | :\ |
| 18:24.26 | fiberchunks | depends - I've seen it go from 2mil down to about 500k |
| 18:24.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | eek |
| 18:24.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | your loaded dude |
| 18:25.04 | sn0w_m0nkey | thats some serious $ |
| 18:25.04 | fiberchunks | but ya gotta remember, that _includes_ all physical properties on the ranch |
| 18:25.14 | sn0w_m0nkey | true |
| 18:25.16 | sn0w_m0nkey | smart |
| 18:25.41 | fiberchunks | 500k for 3 houses, like 5 outbuildings, stables, etc, etc |
| 18:26.12 | sn0w_m0nkey | investors, or by yourself? |
| 18:26.28 | fiberchunks | myself, with the old man as an investor / 'live' r |
| 18:26.31 | prot-work | fiberchunks: where are ya moving? |
| 18:26.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | nice |
| 18:26.47 | fiberchunks | montana -- perhaps colorado though |
| 18:26.51 | prot-work | neat |
| 18:26.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | hey i am also a good scout at hunting :) |
| 18:27.01 | sn0w_m0nkey | its the indian blood in me |
| 18:27.10 | fiberchunks | that's my department you weasel you ;) |
| 18:27.17 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 18:27.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | my cousin used to get paid 2K to take texans "hunting" |
| 18:28.05 | fiberchunks | I'm hoping to get back out there this winter, and scout some good sites / properties |
| 18:28.32 | sn0w_m0nkey | awesome deal man |
| 18:28.37 | sn0w_m0nkey | i'm jealous |
| 18:29.14 | fiberchunks | I would, however, like to beat the snot out of ted turner (and richies like him) |
| 18:29.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | heh. he has a big ranch near albuquerque i think |
| 18:30.01 | fiberchunks | and most of montana -- it seems that everyone and their mother is somehow involved in real estate out there |
| 18:30.07 | Chikorita | i luv snow |
| 18:30.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | i luv you too chiko |
| 18:30.22 | sn0w_m0nkey | haha |
| 18:30.27 | fiberchunks | reason I mention this is because when I was looking at properties about 3 years ago, prices were much much lower |
| 18:30.30 | Chikorita | here iz a lil snow flake 4 u ---> * ** ** * ** * * |
| 18:30.35 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 18:31.11 | sn0w_m0nkey | alot of those high dollar people moving out west fiber |
| 18:31.21 | sn0w_m0nkey | ew...that wasn't snow |
| 18:31.24 | sn0w_m0nkey | what was that? |
| 18:31.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | :) |
| 18:31.28 | Chikorita | lol |
| 18:31.31 | fiberchunks | indeed -- that's why I'm trying to get out there now, before they own it all :\ |
| 18:31.40 | Chikorita | toilet papah |
| 18:31.41 | sn0w_m0nkey | true dat fiber |
| 18:31.47 | sn0w_m0nkey | its only going up |
| 18:31.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | nasty! chiko |
| 18:32.00 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 18:32.12 | Chikorita | i want a chalet up near aspen |
| 18:32.26 | sn0w_m0nkey | aspen eh |
| 18:32.28 | fiberchunks | I wanna have my kid grow up where he can still see stars at night, and can actually _see_ some _living_ wildlife - not stuffed replicas :\ |
| 18:32.35 | Chikorita | an a beach house offa ocean city |
| 18:33.01 | sn0w_m0nkey | aspen is ocean city of colorado ;) |
| 18:33.09 | Chikorita | an a closet sized micro apartment in downtown manhattan ;) |
| 18:33.29 | sn0w_m0nkey | finber, indeed. something alot of people miss out on. |
| 18:33.45 | sn0w_m0nkey | fiber* |
| 18:33.57 | fiberchunks | oh yeah, and the people are nicer too -- that's a nice side-benefit |
| 18:34.06 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 18:34.19 | Chikorita | an a house next 2 benny in new york so wee can have weekend BBQ's |
| 18:34.27 | bzgirl | :) |
| 18:34.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | canada is nearby, they are cool up there. |
| 18:34.54 | fiberchunks | indeed, my buddies (get ready for this) 30000 acre ranch is only 9 hours away from butte, montana |
| 18:35.05 | sn0w_m0nkey | manno |
| 18:35.30 | Chikorita | wow |
| 18:35.31 | fiberchunks | I've also contemplated moving canuck way -- but am unsure about that |
| 18:35.40 | Chikorita | 30,000 acres ??! iz dat a typo? |
| 18:35.41 | sn0w_m0nkey | yeah |
| 18:35.49 | Chikorita | dats like half da state LoL |
| 18:35.49 | sn0w_m0nkey | they are cool...but to live in canada |
| 18:35.49 | fiberchunks | no, its not |
| 18:35.54 | sn0w_m0nkey | j/k!!! |
| 18:35.55 | sn0w_m0nkey | angie |
| 18:35.59 | bzgirl | hey |
| 18:36.02 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 18:36.04 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 18:36.11 | bzgirl | youd be lucky to live up here |
| 18:36.14 | bzgirl | :) |
| 18:36.30 | sn0w_m0nkey | do they speak french there bzg? |
| 18:36.38 | bzgirl | oh sure |
| 18:36.42 | fiberchunks | everything is doubly labelled |
| 18:36.46 | bzgirl | in parts of Canada |
| 18:36.47 | sn0w_m0nkey | see..too advanced for me |
| 18:37.17 | Chikorita | i like visitin canada , da U.S. dolla can buy lotts more stuff |
| 18:37.36 | fiberchunks | it's funny, bzg, when I was at my buddies ranch, I found myself flowing into the 'dialect' that he speaks with -- really interesting |
| 18:37.44 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 18:37.50 | fiberchunks | I've got some of that 'funny money' ;) |
| 18:37.55 | sn0w_m0nkey | me too when i was in vancouver |
| 18:38.05 | sn0w_m0nkey | i came back with "eh" |
| 18:38.10 | Chikorita | lol |
| 18:38.21 | sn0w_m0nkey | and i kept snickering at them every time they used it! |
| 18:38.35 | bzgirl | fiberchunks: the east coast of Canada has a truly distinct dialect english/irish/scottish influenced |
| 18:38.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | that made me giggle |
| 18:38.45 | larsl | fiberchunks: Could you please stickify my new server post in "Servers: General Discussion"? |
| 18:38.46 | Chikorita | vancouver iz a pretty citty |
| 18:38.49 | larsl | Just added it. |
| 18:38.51 | fiberchunks | sure |
| 18:39.25 | fiberchunks | done |
| 18:39.29 | larsl | Thanks. =) |
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| 18:40.09 | Chikorita | woh |
| 18:40.11 | sn0w_m0nkey | so KTL is quol? |
| 18:40.28 | Chikorita | dat alwayz startles mee |
| 18:40.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | vancouver was very fun chiko |
| 18:40.38 | fiberchunks | my poor lizard is in breeding season :\ |
| 18:40.42 | sn0w_m0nkey | i liked the BC |
| 18:40.47 | Chikorita | uh huh |
| 18:41.03 | Chikorita | i alwayz cross ova wen i visit mah relatives in seattle |
| 18:41.11 | Chikorita | wee go skiing at whistler |
| 18:41.15 | sn0w_m0nkey | nice |
| 18:41.22 | sn0w_m0nkey | i'm going there this winter |
| 18:41.27 | Chikorita | kewl |
| 18:41.40 | sn0w_m0nkey | i'm excited |
| 18:42.02 | Chikorita | itz quite mild da winters up there sumtimes , not wut u would expect bein higher up norf |
| 18:42.08 | fiberchunks | hrm, not sure if I'm too keen on U2 done by a bluegrass band :\ |
| 18:42.22 | Chikorita | lol fibah |
| 18:42.27 | sn0w_m0nkey | heh |
| 18:42.41 | Chikorita | r dey doin a rendition of sunday bloddy sunday ? |
| 18:42.52 | Chikorita | ahh |
| 18:42.52 | tea|tree | huh |
| 18:42.52 | fiberchunks | still haven't found what I'm looking for |
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| 18:42.56 | Chikorita | skeer mee |
| 18:42.56 | tea|tree | aah |
| 18:43.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | bluegrass eh |
| 18:43.39 | Chikorita | i luv U2 an bono he iz so kewl |
| 18:44.13 | sn0w_m0nkey | u2 truly a classic |
| 18:44.41 | sn0w_m0nkey | almost beer time for me :) |
| 18:45.17 | Chikorita | lol i can imagine wut dat prolly sounds like ,,, banjos to U2 music lol |
| 18:45.44 | Chikorita | an cider juggs blowin |
| 18:45.46 | sn0w_m0nkey | ~d |
| 18:45.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | she said juggs |
| 18:45.55 | Chikorita | an washboard scrating |
| 18:46.02 | fiberchunks | no juggs, just banjo and slide guitar |
| 18:46.11 | Chikorita | lol o okies |
| 18:46.21 | sn0w_m0nkey | how about spoons? |
| 18:46.27 | Chikorita | LoL sm |
| 18:46.35 | Chikorita | an knee slappin |
| 18:46.35 | fiberchunks | nope |
| 18:46.37 | fiberchunks | nop |
| 18:46.37 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 18:46.44 | Chikorita | j/k |
| 18:47.24 | fiberchunks | anyone have a copy of dylan's national skyline? |
| 18:47.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | what is that? |
| 18:48.06 | fiberchunks | a friend of mine played it for me this last week, but I may be screwing up the title |
| 18:48.09 | fiberchunks | not sure |
| 18:48.13 | Chikorita | brb |
| 18:50.42 | sn0w_m0nkey | tea you around? |
| 18:50.43 | patlabor221 | did you do a little dance? |
| 18:50.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | gonna play duc 5155 for a bit |
| 18:51.12 | patlabor221 | msg ibot bzfslist |
| 18:51.17 | patlabor221 | whops :) |
| 18:51.55 | sn0w_m0nkey | laters all , have a good weekend! |
| 18:51.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | peace |
| 18:52.00 | fiberchunks | later on monkey |
| 18:52.48 | learner | did you make a little love -- get down tonight -- get down tonight |
| 18:53.00 | learner | chika?? *sniff* |
| 18:53.10 | patlabor221 | seems you scared her away |
| 18:53.21 | learner | probably because I need to shower |
| 18:53.27 | bzgirl | eww |
| 18:53.40 | patlabor221 | so what should we name 3d subspace with tanks, motorcyles and variable frames? |
| 18:53.45 | fiberchunks | heheh, now there's an interesting side note to this vacation I just had |
| 18:53.52 | learner | hey.. you wouldn't be so hot after being up all night either, i imagine :P |
| 18:53.53 | patlabor221 | you don't shower before you talk to people? |
| 18:54.40 | bzgirl | yeah learner, go take a bath, THEN go on irc |
| 18:54.51 | fiberchunks | the odors that emanate from people who are not used to altitude (me and a couple other dudes @ sea level) are, frankly, amazing :\ |
| 18:55.03 | patlabor221 | TMI man |
| 18:55.07 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 18:55.24 | learner | i was hoping to beat HoW using odor |
| 18:55.30 | fiberchunks | hehe |
| 18:56.05 | learner | fiberchunks: hehe |
| 18:56.13 | learner | so it got pretty bad? |
| 18:56.45 | fiberchunks | yeah -- we weren't at a KOA, provide everything for you campsite either -- it was a 'bathe in 30 deg F lake', or do nothing |
| 18:57.05 | fiberchunks | most of us, myself excluded, chose the latter option |
| 18:57.06 | learner | Mmmm.. do nothing sounds good to me |
| 18:57.24 | learner | KOA? |
| 18:57.25 | fiberchunks | hey man, an outhouse is _almost_ too much for me :) |
| 18:57.48 | learner | outhouse?? hehehe |
| 18:57.54 | patlabor221 | they run capsites |
| 18:57.54 | fiberchunks | KOA, yeah, they're campsites that provide all amenities with them (like showers and what not) |
| 18:58.15 | fiberchunks | outhouse -- that was an interesting experience |
| 18:58.18 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 18:58.18 | learner | ah.. "kamping on assets?" :) |
| 18:58.51 | learner | ewww... |
| 18:58.58 | learner | my tea tasted funny |
| 18:58.58 | fiberchunks | it was wonderful -- we had a cabin, but noone slept in it -- we all slept outside, under the stars, in 45 deg F weather -- it kicked much ass |
| 18:59.23 | learner | smells fermented.. ?? |
| 18:59.33 | fiberchunks | and oddly enough, even without a campfire, but with sleeping bags, it wasn't cold at all |
| 18:59.35 | learner | fiber: way cool |
| 19:00.26 | learner | ~d |
| 19:00.33 | fiberchunks | we did it for 4 days - there were fire restrictions, so no campfires though :\ |
| 19:00.39 | fiberchunks | we had to use the cabin's stove |
| 19:01.14 | learner | i think the tea i left on my desk yesterday somehow turned into some sort of cider.. with things floating in it |
| 19:01.21 | fiberchunks | fun! |
| 19:01.27 | learner | *shrug* *gulp* |
| 19:01.44 | learner | no fires?? |
| 19:01.52 | learner | because of that massive fire last year? |
| 19:02.12 | fiberchunks | no, the ones that are going on now -- massive droughts in alberta / BC / montana |
| 19:02.26 | learner | ah |
| 19:02.38 | larsl | ~glasstowers |
| 19:02.59 | fiberchunks | we drove past Polaris in montana, which _just_ finished quelling theirs -- was interesting to see the 'fire char' |
| 19:03.10 | learner | I remember waking up and smelling smoke, went outside and the sky was filled with smoke -- figured there was a fire a couple miles north |
| 19:03.17 | learner | turns out the fire was up in canada |
| 19:03.54 | fiberchunks | sadly enough -- it seems that the currently raging fires in alberta / crowsnest area are human caused ... |
| 19:04.05 | learner | aren't most? |
| 19:04.11 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 19:04.31 | bzgirl | by a volunteer fire fighter no less |
| 19:04.45 | bzgirl | the one in BC was anyway |
| 19:04.47 | fiberchunks | really? that I didn't know -- what, a smoke? |
| 19:04.55 | bzgirl | yeah a ciggy |
| 19:05.03 | learner | oops |
| 19:05.37 | learner | right after you finish it, right? |
| 19:05.40 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 19:05.49 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 19:05.54 | fiberchunks | that, and weight loss are my 2 biggest goals at present |
| 19:06.20 | learner | conversion to muscle mass |
| 19:06.27 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 19:06.49 | fiberchunks | yeah, if I could turn 320 pounds of flab into 320 pounds of muscle, I'd be enormous ;) |
| 19:06.51 | learner | howdy david -- shame I'm ready to match and my teammate runs off |
| 19:06.58 | david_v | heh |
| 19:07.00 | learner | ! hehe |
| 19:07.16 | fiberchunks | brb |
| 19:07.17 | tea|tree | huh? |
| 19:07.25 | david_v | i haven't seen any of my teammates today. weird |
| 19:07.30 | tea|tree | i just conected to ducati |
| 19:07.30 | david_v | learner =) |
| 19:07.36 | tea|tree | only 3 damn peopel |
| 19:07.39 | david_v | yes |
| 19:07.47 | david_v | quol's empty too |
| 19:07.49 | david_v | or was |
| 19:07.57 | david_v | in fact most servers seem to be |
| 19:08.16 | learner | the stipulation might be that you cannot be on a team to match in the 1-1 league |
| 19:08.25 | *** join/#bzflag KR (~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com) |
| 19:08.28 | tea|tree | 1-1 league |
| 19:08.29 | learner | that way the score hungry would stay out of the "other" league |
| 19:08.31 | tea|tree | that would be cool |
| 19:08.32 | bryjen | learner: I think Chik said one of them backed out first |
| 19:08.33 | KR | re-hi |
| 19:08.36 | tea|tree | re |
| 19:08.45 | learner | bryjen: ah, okay -- thanks |
| 19:08.55 | KR | check this out - windowsupdate.com is running LINUX! LMAO!!! |
| 19:09.01 | KR | http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.windowsupdate.com |
| 19:09.04 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:09.12 | KR | isn't it ironic? |
| 19:09.15 | david_v | MS has claimed they have no Linux workstations anymore though |
| 19:09.16 | learner | been like that for a long time |
| 19:09.40 | KR | that is just *too* funny |
| 19:09.55 | david_v | if they can save money, they do it... :D |
| 19:10.09 | david_v | can't get to netcraft though... hmm |
| 19:10.38 | david_v | now it works |
| 19:10.54 | bryjen | no _workstations_ . Meebee some servers, huh? Wasn't Hotmail using BSD or something? |
| 19:11.22 | david_v | well sorry, i'm a bit slow |
| 19:11.30 | david_v | yea that rings a bell |
| 19:11.44 | david_v | so i was probably wrong about Linux, but OS anyway |
| 19:12.28 | david_v | M$'s only issue with Linux and OS is they can't get as much money from it :) |
| 19:14.11 | bryjen | WTF? "The site www.windowsupdate.com is running Microsoft-IIS/6.0 on Linux." Who on what?! |
| 19:14.22 | david_v | lol |
| 19:14.25 | david_v | i don't think so :) |
| 19:14.32 | dougAtWork | sooo, windows 2k3 is REALLY linux deep in there? |
| 19:14.40 | david_v | LOL |
| 19:15.03 | david_v | only difference would be crash.o i guess, loaded by default :) |
| 19:15.11 | dougAtWork | lol |
| 19:16.21 | david_v | my only complaint is that module seems to become buggier and buggier for every NT release |
| 19:16.27 | david_v | (NT-series) |
| 19:16.27 | bryjen | err. note the table at the bottom of the page. The Linux OS entry is for Akamai. Mirroring/Load Dist service isn't it? |
| 19:16.38 | david_v | probably |
| 19:17.11 | david_v | i was reflecting on that too |
| 19:17.28 | david_v | even a different netblock |
| 19:17.58 | bryjen | Was windowsupdate borken/redirected due to that worm? |
| 19:18.06 | david_v | no |
| 19:18.11 | david_v | but it was overloaded |
| 19:18.18 | david_v | and is still, i think |
| 19:18.52 | david_v | talking about redirection they'll have to do something before tomorrow |
| 19:18.58 | david_v | it will be quite an interesting day |
| 19:19.07 | david_v | all the way to Dec 31st the worm will keep attacking |
| 19:19.16 | david_v | and they have released a new worm as well |
| 19:20.12 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (cyber@webirc.caffeine-powered.com) |
| 19:20.25 | dougAtWork | NOODLEMAN!!!! |
| 19:20.25 | david_v | dougAtWork: hope the router is Linux-based or hardware lol :) |
| 19:20.33 | dougAtWork | hardware it is |
| 19:20.36 | david_v | not-Windows anyway :) |
| 19:20.43 | dougAtWork | hah |
| 19:20.49 | Chestal | AFAIK M$ erased the windowsupdate.com DNS entry to protect themselves? |
| 19:20.56 | david_v | oh?? |
| 19:21.11 | tea|tree | huh? |
| 19:21.16 | david_v | that sound like a joke |
| 19:21.20 | tea|tree | lol |
| 19:21.20 | Chestal | "windowsupdate.com A record currently not present" is all I get |
| 19:21.23 | david_v | ok about their security holes, but |
| 19:21.29 | david_v | maybe they're about to change |
| 19:21.51 | david_v | they said they would change the way windowsupdate redirects requests, or something |
| 19:22.00 | david_v | or that's what they'd have to do |
| 19:22.32 | david_v | try windowsupdate.microsoft.com instead of windowsupdate.com |
| 19:22.45 | david_v | the latter has been tricking for a while |
| 19:22.52 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (~dennis@D40A3023.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 19:23.25 | david_v | some 64.4.69.* IPs here for windowsupdate |
| 19:23.53 | bryjen | windowsupdate.microsoft.com CNAME's around to akamai |
| 19:24.24 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:25.05 | david_v | i've seen some requests on 445 lately, is that worm related too? |
| 19:25.16 | david_v | i thought it was mainly 135, 4444 and some other that i can't think of now |
| 19:25.34 | bryjen | 69 for tftp |
| 19:25.55 | bryjen | 445 is something active-directory releated i believe |
| 19:26.05 | Chestal | ~google for 445 worm |
| 19:26.18 | Chestal | hmm, looks old |
| 19:26.28 | david_v | hm |
| 19:26.50 | bryjen | possibly just other peoples windows boxen probing around for an AD server |
| 19:26.58 | david_v | ~google for 445 blaster |
| 19:27.17 | david_v | aha! |
| 19:27.20 | david_v | first link |
| 19:31.40 | bryjen | The ms networking stuff should really be unbound from an ethercard that being used for broadband internet. |
| 19:32.16 | david_v | sorry now i'm not quite following you |
| 19:32.59 | *** join/#bzflag BagsAtWork (~chatzilla@h-68-165-122-98.MCLNVA23.covad.net) |
| 19:33.10 | bryjen | ms file and print services and client should be unchecked in the config for the connection |
| 19:33.34 | david_v | ah yes of course |
| 19:33.55 | david_v | quite a big risk there, i've never liked NetBEUI anyway |
| 19:34.07 | david_v | wonder why my ISP blocks port 139? hihi :) |
| 19:36.20 | KR | the oddest thing I've seen in the past few days is peeps on a sailing list I'm on |
| 19:36.54 | KR | they spend hours and hours d/ling patches, and then ask for an alterantive or a better way, ,but not Mac or Linux... ? |
| 19:37.19 | *** join/#bzflag Averell (averell@dsl-62-220-13-2.berlikomm.net) |
| 19:37.19 | learner | *squeak* *squeak* |
| 19:37.20 | KR | I've been telling them they have to live with it if they keep usinf ms stuff |
| 19:37.41 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:37.42 | KR | learner is nekkid |
| 19:37.55 | KR | kinda gross, if u think about it :) |
| 19:38.10 | KR | nlmao |
| 19:38.13 | [dmp] | actually most danish newssite with commments, got a "use linux to avoid problems" |
| 19:38.14 | KR | "n" |
| 19:38.14 | learner | at least not today anyways :) |
| 19:38.23 | david_v | [dmp]: hehe :) |
| 19:38.24 | bryjen | and I was doing fine not thinking about it until.... |
| 19:38.32 | KR | i like danishes |
| 19:38.44 | KR | and he peole who invented them |
| 19:38.49 | KR | ^the eople |
| 19:38.52 | KR | geez |
| 19:38.56 | KR | the people |
| 19:39.45 | david_v | that improved my thoughts about Denmark ;) |
| 19:39.56 | learner | ba bum.. ba bum .. dadee dadumm |
| 19:39.56 | BagsAtWork | always wondered, how does linux avoid viruses?.....is there a program or something |
| 19:39.56 | [dmp] | haha |
| 19:39.56 | [dmp] | :) |
| 19:39.57 | larsl | ~glasstowers |
| 19:40.06 | [dmp] | Danish in danish is: Weinerbrød |
| 19:40.09 | [dmp] | that sounded odd |
| 19:40.27 | KR | WonderBread! :) |
| 19:40.31 | BagsAtWork | little brooding bogs |
| 19:40.34 | BagsAtWork | ndogs |
| 19:40.39 | david_v | [dmp]: you're probably quite right about the security. and that worries me |
| 19:40.50 | larsl | BagsAtWork: Linux users generally know more about security than Windows users, and there aren'r many people writing viruses for Linux. |
| 19:42.33 | larsl | If Linux ever becomes as popular as MS there will probably be lots of viruses. =P |
| 19:42.33 | larsl | Virii? |
| 19:42.33 | [dmp] | david_v: me too. For now its easier to hack windows. But at some point, the problem will be quite as bad with linux. Perhaps even worse |
| 19:42.34 | BagsAtWork | nso there isnt anything out there yet........seems odd with all the linux servers out there |
| 19:42.34 | david_v | yeah |
| 19:42.43 | KR | you just *can't trust* microSoft at all |
| 19:42.56 | larsl | BagsAtWork: There have been UN*X viruses. |
| 19:43.18 | david_v | [dmp]: at least people would have to try a lot of holes though, as you can't be sure what somebody is running. unless you get through a wellknown leak first to do that |
| 19:43.19 | [dmp] | KR will never be able to trusth bad admining, dispite the system |
| 19:43.43 | KR | IIRC, there are a couple Linux virus/ii, but fixwed quickly and long ago |
| 19:43.50 | KR | [dmp] - true true |
| 19:44.52 | KR | one thing to note is ms software is rushed out to meet a deadline with the press, where OSS is put out when it has been done and tested, so I think it would be harder to write exploits for Linux |
| 19:44.52 | BagsAtWork | so if i developed a virus sniffer for linux i could sell it with no competition?... |
| 19:44.53 | [dmp] | erhmm |
| 19:44.53 | [dmp] | KR: you wil... |
| 19:44.53 | [dmp] | :-) |
| 19:44.53 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:45.14 | david_v | [dmp]: talking about security, i remember i helped another guy to close some ports by using nmap... turned out to be his hardware router that was misconfigured though |
| 19:45.23 | [dmp] | A few minutes after i post my message on bzbb, she contacted me, to help her install bzflag again.. Kinda ironic, eh? :-) |
| 19:45.34 | KR | wow - haven't heard of space biker inna long time |
| 19:45.40 | david_v | KR: that's especially true with Debian. they must be the most patient organisation in the world :) |
| 19:45.46 | KR | lol |
| 19:46.35 | KR | I knew SB was young = thought she was ike 13 tho |
| 19:46.42 | KR | ^like |
| 19:47.02 | KR | did you help her dmp? |
| 19:47.23 | david_v | [dmp]: heh :) |
| 19:47.24 | [dmp] | KR: Her father uninstalled bzflag. But it seems she wants to get back (he helped her, as i wasnt able to) |
| 19:47.30 | [dmp] | (her father helped... |
| 19:47.31 | [dmp] | man |
| 19:47.38 | KR | david - what / how was it misconfigured? |
| 19:49.17 | [dmp] | KR: i really tried. But when she dont know what a browser is, nor how to find program files .. its abit hard. |
| 19:49.17 | [dmp] | Having limited english abilities, dosnt make it easier :-| |
| 19:49.30 | KR | heh |
| 19:50.06 | learner | "Furious Angels" .. good stuff |
| 19:50.21 | larsl | Is anyone here running some kind of traffic shaping software to keep ping times low for your bzfs servers while down/uploading stuff? |
| 19:50.35 | larsl | I'd like to do something like that, but I don't know where to begin. |
| 19:51.41 | david_v | KR: it forwarded all ports, instead of just 80. i don't remember the details |
| 19:51.55 | KR | whoa! not good :) |
| 19:51.58 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:52.13 | david_v | the guy was convinced he forwarded just 80. but nmap showed something else :) |
| 19:52.48 | KR | so, how many other peeps besides him were using his system? :) |
| 19:53.17 | *** join/#bzflag PatlaborXwin (~JeffM@208.48.199.215) |
| 19:53.20 | PatlaborXwin | wow |
| 19:53.26 | PatlaborXwin | it worked :) |
| 19:54.10 | KR | my sister-in-laws father got hooked up to cable, win box, no firewall at all - 3 months later hid sys stopped working |
| 19:54.14 | dougAtWork | what works? |
| 19:54.22 | KR | ^his system |
| 19:54.43 | KR | someone had filled his drive up with 20G of pron :) |
| 19:54.58 | bryjen | PatlaborXwin: X Window ? |
| 19:55.06 | learner | kr: that's all? |
| 19:55.14 | KR | nlol |
| 19:55.21 | PatlaborXwin | Running X chat from asgard on my windows machine, using X windows using windows XP as the window manager |
| 19:55.35 | PatlaborXwin | mix and match X and win32 apps :) |
| 19:56.00 | [dmp] | KR: a guy from uni, had his computer hooked up for a few ours (same isp as me - almost nothing is filtered). He didnt install anything or use it.. But he ended up with 4-5 different vira(viruses?) |
| 19:56.09 | david_v | KR: 20 G!!! |
| 19:56.11 | bryjen | remoted X apps? what're you using for a X server on the windows box? |
| 19:56.15 | KR | they may have been serving ti too - by the time I got to it (after my brother) it was unbootable |
| 19:56.17 | david_v | KR: oh well... oh well |
| 19:56.21 | PatlaborXwin | cygwin |
| 19:56.22 | *** join/#bzflag eddienull (~kevin@adsl-67-126-217-196.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) |
| 19:56.25 | PatlaborXwin | in multiwindow mode |
| 19:56.26 | larsl | XFree? |
| 19:56.29 | PatlaborXwin | yeah |
| 19:56.44 | larsl | Nice. I'll have to try that next time I'm stuck with my brothers computer. =) |
| 19:57.02 | KR | larsl - lmao |
| 19:57.12 | PatlaborXwin | in multi-window mode it dosn't show up the full desktop just the apps |
| 19:57.17 | PatlaborXwin | very easy to use |
| 19:57.25 | larsl | No root window? |
| 19:57.28 | bryjen | That's the way X is supposed to work. |
| 19:57.29 | PatlaborXwin | nope |
| 19:57.43 | PatlaborXwin | yeah it is, but on windows I've allways had the root window |
| 19:58.08 | PatlaborXwin | found out how to get it to use XP as the window manager |
| 19:58.13 | dougAtWork | yea, thats pretty cool :) |
| 19:58.36 | PatlaborXwin | it just starts the X server at startup and i'm good |
| 19:58.36 | dougAtWork | I tried it once using noodlemans computer... the lag was terrible though... |
| 19:58.47 | bryjen | remote packages like pcAnywhere or VNC do it that way, the remote stuff is all in one window |
| 19:58.51 | PatlaborXwin | yeah I am on a lan to the server here |
| 19:59.05 | PatlaborXwin | yes I have used both |
| 19:59.31 | PatlaborXwin | this is faster then those |
| 20:00.15 | bryjen | I'd found some commercial X servers for Windows a while back, and tried out their demos. They offered the all-in-one or separate windows modes too. |
| 20:00.20 | PatlaborXwin | it's kinda cool, I got my blog script to use kedit, and it just pops up the app |
| 20:01.00 | prot-work | hmm, speaking of blogs |
| 20:02.13 | PatlaborXwin | hmm it dosn't seem to like going from one monitor to another tho |
| 20:04.19 | prot-work | did you set it up with xinerama or just plain multi-head? |
| 20:04.58 | david_v | anyone here who bothered to run several window managers simultaenously yet? :) |
| 20:05.02 | david_v | *simultaneously |
| 20:05.06 | larsl | Can you do that? |
| 20:05.08 | david_v | yep |
| 20:05.20 | prot-work | most wms will detect if there's another one running |
| 20:05.22 | david_v | just fire up another X process and start a wm on that one |
| 20:05.26 | prot-work | ohh |
| 20:05.30 | prot-work | you mean multiple X servers |
| 20:05.34 | larsl | Yes, but that's another X server. =P |
| 20:05.34 | david_v | i didn't say you don't have to hack :) |
| 20:05.37 | prot-work | not multiple window managers on one X server |
| 20:05.42 | david_v | i didn't say that :) |
| 20:05.54 | david_v | i just said simultaneously hehe |
| 20:06.03 | david_v | on the same monitor, basically |
| 20:06.07 | prot-work | yeah but thats silly |
| 20:06.18 | prot-work | the window managers are attached to separate servers |
| 20:06.20 | david_v | yes and no. it's very useful for me actually |
| 20:06.30 | david_v | yes they are, and i can switch easily |
| 20:06.33 | tea|tree | ,^^, |
| 20:06.34 | prot-work | its not really "simultaneously", it just happens to be running on the same machine |
| 20:06.37 | david_v | just Ctrl-Alt-F7 and Ctrl-Alt-F8 |
| 20:06.47 | larsl | You can have different users logged in in GUI mode. That's nice. |
| 20:06.48 | david_v | well the word might have been a bit silly |
| 20:06.48 | patlabor221 | cap I am just running it on my multihead windows machine, when I drag the window to another monitor it geeks |
| 20:06.54 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 20:06.56 | prot-work | patlabor221: oh |
| 20:07.09 | patlabor221 | the linux machine dosn't have 2 heads |
| 20:07.12 | tea|tree | tim = tim here? |
| 20:07.17 | prot-work | tea|tree: no |
| 20:07.23 | tea|tree | k |
| 20:07.24 | prot-work | well... |
| 20:07.26 | tea|tree | need him |
| 20:07.27 | prot-work | |tim| stops by here |
| 20:07.29 | patlabor221 | he's runing for gubenor |
| 20:07.30 | prot-work | but its not TimRiker |
| 20:07.33 | tea|tree | ;) |
| 20:07.41 | tea|tree | who created ibot? |
| 20:07.47 | prot-work | TimRiker |
| 20:07.48 | tea|tree | Tim? |
| 20:07.48 | [dmp] | Hey, I didnt flame david today. |
| 20:07.49 | patlabor221 | the blotbot people |
| 20:07.49 | tea|tree | aah good |
| 20:07.56 | david_v | [dmp]: shh, shh :) |
| 20:07.58 | [dmp] | david_v: http://www.laer.nu/captions/entropy.php?text=ebg13Fjrqra+fhpxf |
| 20:08.08 | david_v | hmm ;) |
| 20:08.15 | bzgirl | lol |
| 20:08.18 | david_v | is there no post-remove of comments here :) |
| 20:08.27 | [dmp] | its real.. hornest :) |
| 20:08.38 | david_v | maybe if i flood a few lines, nobody will notice the link ;) |
| 20:08.38 | larsl | Entropy? |
| 20:09.03 | patlabor221 | entroy ROCKS |
| 20:09.19 | larsl | What is it? |
| 20:09.31 | prot-work | larsl: disorder |
| 20:09.31 | david_v | [dmp]: who's the man hiding behin that signboard? you? :) |
| 20:09.35 | david_v | *behind |
| 20:09.38 | patlabor221 | the dendency for all orderd system to move toward a chaotic state |
| 20:09.43 | larsl | (I know what it _is_, but why is he holding that sign) |
| 20:09.54 | learner | lol, that's great |
| 20:10.00 | patlabor221 | cus the church is against all things have no order. |
| 20:10.03 | [dmp] | david_v: http://www.laer.nu/captions/group2.php?text=ebg13Jr%2P+gur+fjrqvfu+crbcyr%2P+fhccbegf+lbh%3N+QNIVQ_I |
| 20:10.12 | tea|tree | dmp? |
| 20:10.18 | tea|tree | nice post in the forum |
| 20:10.25 | [dmp] | tea|tree: thanks |
| 20:10.30 | [dmp] | .. i think :) |
| 20:10.35 | patlabor221 | tea what do you need from ibot? |
| 20:10.51 | david_v | [dmp]: lol what are you doing :) |
| 20:11.09 | [dmp] | david_v: Having some fun :-) |
| 20:11.33 | patlabor221 | nice that they encode it |
| 20:11.42 | patlabor221 | first I've seen that does that |
| 20:11.44 | david_v | [dmp]: just don't put any unsuitable words on any label on those pics... and certainly don't post those publically :) |
| 20:12.11 | [dmp] | *shit* :) |
| 20:12.24 | patlabor221 | http://david.v.youaremyfriend.com/ |
| 20:12.34 | KR | publically? |
| 20:12.37 | KR | :) |
| 20:12.55 | david_v | patlabor221: hehe seen that before |
| 20:12.56 | KR | we're all friends here ... :) |
| 20:13.16 | patlabor221 | http://k.r.youaremyfriend.com/ |
| 20:13.27 | [dmp] | Reminds me of isgay.com .. Darn.. where is badin when you need him :) |
| 20:13.31 | david_v | is there no youarenotmyfriend.com? :) |
| 20:13.41 | patlabor221 | didn't you hear KR |
| 20:13.47 | patlabor221 | we are all friends |
| 20:14.05 | david_v | maybe i heard him whisper something :) |
| 20:14.15 | KR | Konqueror is choking on that URL |
| 20:14.17 | david_v | it was just as a backup for people like [dmp] :) |
| 20:14.23 | patlabor221 | it's flashish |
| 20:14.24 | david_v | KR: works fine for me... |
| 20:14.53 | tea|tree | patlabor221: questions |
| 20:15.23 | patlabor221 | ibot is a blotbot, it's docs may answer some of your questions. |
| 20:15.24 | | patlabor221: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:15.25 | tea|tree | if it could work on other games , o on other servers ,,,,, ´get info .. |
| 20:15.30 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 20:15.46 | patlabor221 | Tim just changed the script to access BZ stuff |
| 20:15.55 | patlabor221 | you could tweak it to do what ever you wanted |
| 20:16.08 | patlabor221 | ~ibot |
| 20:16.09 | | it has been said that ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 20:16.17 | larsl | Bleh, I should reserve a player slot on glasstowers for me. |
| 20:16.47 | patlabor221 | you could also mod the noodlebot |
| 20:16.59 | KR | thank you sooooo much... |
| 20:17.07 | KR | :) |
| 20:17.35 | patlabor221 | fun with DNS servers :) |
| 20:17.42 | KR | patlabor made a site just for me... |
| 20:18.12 | patlabor221 | well that at http://your.mamma.youaremyfriend.com :) |
| 20:18.30 | KR | I'll bet spiff and carnage send that one to each other all the time ;) |
| 20:18.45 | patlabor221 | probably |
| 20:19.11 | KR | I meant the first ne, but the second one is better for them prolly ;) |
| 20:19.15 | KR | ^one |
| 20:20.36 | david_v | sorry for being offtopic but does anyone have ET installed and is up for playing right now? :) |
| 20:20.55 | david_v | (if there was a topic that is :) |
| 20:21.15 | KR | how swedish... |
| 20:21.18 | KR | lol |
| 20:21.22 | david_v | hmm :) |
| 20:21.25 | KR | lmao |
| 20:21.50 | KR | what is ET? |
| 20:21.51 | david_v | somehow i am missing the fun of being a Swedish. but i'll figure out some day ;) |
| 20:21.55 | david_v | Enemy Territory |
| 20:22.06 | david_v | yet another FPS |
| 20:22.29 | KR | david_v - I am trying to make dmp laugh so he doesn't leave us :) |
| 20:22.45 | david_v | i leave and he stays? fair :) |
| 20:22.55 | KR | oops |
| 20:23.00 | david_v | hehe j/k :) |
| 20:23.01 | KR | didn't think of that |
| 20:23.07 | KR | how American... |
| 20:23.10 | KR | :) |
| 20:23.27 | david_v | just hang me in the nearest tree. nobody will ask for me :) |
| 20:24.39 | KR | we stopped the hangin-in-trees thing - now we have a thing called "media attention" |
| 20:24.59 | david_v | and make people commit suicide instead? spares bullet cost |
| 20:25.07 | KR | for when we really want to crucify someone/thing :) |
| 20:25.09 | david_v | or money for the rope, whichever method you use |
| 20:25.54 | KR | "How do you want to die today?" (TM) |
| 20:26.06 | david_v | fried, please |
| 20:26.20 | KR | lol - with cheese and beers |
| 20:26.44 | david_v | whatever you like. i'm afraid i can't have any comments on the accessories :) |
| 20:28.44 | larsl | Mm, cheese. |
| 20:29.02 | david_v | hm, let's change topic :) |
| 20:29.13 | david_v | no ET players here? hello? |
| 20:29.15 | patlabor221 | so, boxers or breifs? |
| 20:29.27 | patlabor221 | I've never even heard of that game |
| 20:29.32 | david_v | hm |
| 20:29.42 | david_v | it seems to be the most popular FPS around |
| 20:29.55 | david_v | according to happypenguin anyway :) |
| 20:30.01 | patlabor221 | is that the wolfenstiein mod? |
| 20:30.07 | patlabor221 | or the one for BF1942? |
| 20:30.13 | david_v | wolfenstein |
| 20:30.25 | patlabor221 | ahh |
| 20:30.30 | patlabor221 | then I have heard that |
| 20:30.49 | patlabor221 | you should call it RTCW:ET then :) |
| 20:30.55 | patlabor221 | cus that's is real nam |
| 20:30.57 | david_v | http://www.happypenguin.org/poll?show=258 |
| 20:31.00 | david_v | yeah i know |
| 20:31.06 | david_v | but ET is shorter to say. :) |
| 20:31.25 | patlabor221 | but more confusing |
| 20:31.41 | david_v | hehe maybe |
| 20:31.48 | david_v | you're thinking of the movie? :) |
| 20:31.52 | patlabor221 | pfffft UT all the way !!!!!!! |
| 20:32.11 | david_v | heh |
| 20:32.20 | patlabor221 | "UNSTOPABLE!!!" |
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| 20:33.09 | david_v | patlabor221: not sure if those are real quotes, but nevertheless i try not to read too much in threads :) |
| 20:33.10 | KR | phone home |
| 20:33.59 | KR | ETSU |
| 20:34.25 | patlabor221 | fatboy was the best |
| 20:34.33 | david_v | "I'd say UT2K3 looks pretty if you've got the right hardware and have employed an African whichdoctor." |
| 20:34.34 | patlabor221 | that and cluster rediemer |
| 20:34.39 | david_v | i like that comment hehe :) |
| 20:34.51 | patlabor221 | UT2k3 didn't do it for me |
| 20:34.57 | david_v | just by itself, only tried a demo of UT2003 |
| 20:35.02 | david_v | i don't like that kind of game |
| 20:35.08 | patlabor221 | I am refering to the origonal UT |
| 20:35.30 | david_v | well yeah i was just picking a comment because it was funny :) |
| 20:35.55 | patlabor221 | and they allways degrade to " Re: Bah! posted by Anonymous @ 24.221.139.175 on Jul 18 2003 11:34 PM |
| 20:35.55 | patlabor221 | who needs 1.0 kernels, anyways? :-) |
| 20:35.55 | patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.55 | patlabor221 | [Reply] |
| 20:35.55 | patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.56 | patlabor221 | .... JUST STFU! |
| 20:35.58 | patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.03 | david_v | yeah yeah |
| 20:36.04 | david_v | i know |
| 20:36.22 | david_v | the only real info in that thread is the actual votes |
| 20:36.31 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:36.41 | TimRiker | tea|tree: found what you wanted? ibot has his source available so you can add whatever. he talks to a lot of services already. |
| 20:36.46 | TimRiker | ~zsi |
| 20:36.47 | patlabor221 | tho that's only a sampling of the real popularity cus it's gonna just be linux people |
| 20:36.58 | david_v | patlabor221: saw a thread on slashdot earlier about "super random" encryption with lavalamps and stuff |
| 20:37.05 | patlabor221 | wow |
| 20:37.08 | patlabor221 | that is random |
| 20:37.12 | david_v | patlabor221: someone in there thought he had found a bug, said he come up with "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6" |
| 20:37.23 | TimRiker | that's the zaurus software interface. he talks to debian too. |
| 20:37.28 | TimRiker | dstats |
| 20:37.30 | david_v | patlabor221: only problem was it was *supposed* to sort the numbers :) and you could choose the maximum number... |
| 20:37.33 | TimRiker | ~dstats |
| 20:37.41 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 20:37.57 | TimRiker | ~dinfo bzflag |
| 20:38.15 | david_v | let's see how many packages i got on Gentoo :) |
| 20:38.19 | david_v | (in the directory) |
| 20:38.32 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 20:38.39 | tea|tree | uh |
| 20:38.43 | patlabor221 | one would think somone would have made a module to query CouterStrike Servers |
| 20:38.50 | david_v | heh |
| 20:39.12 | larsl | ~towers |
| 20:39.24 | david_v | admin bot? |
| 20:39.35 | larsl | I'm running bzadmin17 in a screen. |
| 20:39.43 | david_v | k |
| 20:39.56 | david_v | bad words and cheating checks? |
| 20:40.14 | david_v | don't know how smart the bots are, never used one myself |
| 20:40.29 | TimRiker | ~brando |
| 20:40.30 | | rumour has it, brando is sells/exports the Sharp Zaurus and other electronics http://shop.brando.com.hk/ or mailto:brando@brando.com.hk. C700 $500, C750 $525, C760 $610 USD, (and $45 shipping via fedex) use email for zaurus orders, or plus shipping, or no warranty and japanese sortware. |
| 20:40.33 | tea|tree | where can i download the newiest cvs binarie from? |
| 20:40.46 | larsl | No, it's not really a bot, just a "shell". I use it as a fast way to send commands an ban/kick people when I'm not on myself. |
| 20:40.46 | david_v | is there such a thing at all? |
| 20:40.54 | patlabor221 | for what platform larsl? |
| 20:40.54 | tea|tree | even unoffical ones |
| 20:40.56 | patlabor221 | sorry tea |
| 20:41.02 | patlabor221 | for windows? |
| 20:41.03 | tea|tree | WinXP |
| 20:41.03 | david_v | larsl: k |
| 20:41.05 | tea|tree | ye |
| 20:41.05 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 20:41.13 | patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/BZ/19 |
| 20:41.16 | patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/BZ/19/ |
| 20:41.16 | tea|tree | hmm |
| 20:41.20 | tea|tree | 1.9 sucks ;) |
| 20:41.29 | patlabor221 | that's the latest CVS |
| 20:41.33 | david_v | oh |
| 20:41.39 | patlabor221 | what else do you want? |
| 20:41.56 | patlabor221 | 1.7g2 is closed |
| 20:42.02 | patlabor221 | done, pthhhht |
| 20:42.05 | tea|tree | oh |
| 20:42.07 | tea|tree | shit ^^ |
| 20:42.11 | *** join/#bzflag chatelaine (~orchid@ottawa-hs-209-217-123-253.d-ip.magma.ca) |
| 20:42.14 | tea|tree | why does somewone have 1.g3? |
| 20:42.19 | tea|tree | ore a few |
| 20:42.20 | tea|tree | ? |
| 20:42.24 | patlabor221 | they probably hacked it up |
| 20:42.30 | prot-work | g3 is the last cvs version in the v1_7 tag |
| 20:42.31 | tea|tree | how can i do that |
| 20:42.43 | larsl | prot-work: Are there any differences from g2? |
| 20:42.47 | patlabor221 | there are no bins for the end 1.7 tag |
| 20:42.58 | prot-work | larsl: other than the version number? shouldn't |
| 20:43.05 | patlabor221 | you would have to build them tea, tho they don't really have anything new |
| 20:43.09 | patlabor221 | all new stuff is in 1.9 |
| 20:43.10 | tea|tree | liek i would like to creat to make mouse sentesivity in BZ faster ore slower , volume ..... |
| 20:43.21 | tea|tree | but mouse sens via BZ |
| 20:43.24 | patlabor221 | the cvs up and start building |
| 20:44.37 | tea|tree | ... |
| 20:44.54 | bzgirl | fiberchunks: poke |
| 20:45.08 | tea|tree | au |
| 20:47.24 | bzgirl | who has a linksys router? |
| 20:47.28 | tea|tree | 07/25 - Observer is now a team <---ü??? |
| 20:47.51 | patlabor221 | I used to have one |
| 20:47.54 | patlabor221 | or 3 |
| 20:48.06 | patlabor221 | tea, just a difrent way of storing the data internaly |
| 20:48.24 | tea|tree | k |
| 20:48.42 | bzgirl | ok, my laptop cant connect to it connection refused http://192.168.1.1 |
| 20:49.01 | bzgirl | so i connect with my desktop but dont see a way to fix this |
| 20:49.02 | patlabor221 | is your laptop on dhcp? |
| 20:49.09 | [dmp] | cu guys |
| 20:49.15 | bzgirl | patlabor221: yeah |
| 20:49.20 | bzgirl | patlabor221: and linux |
| 20:49.22 | patlabor221 | what IP does it get |
| 20:49.36 | patlabor221 | and is it similar to the IP that the desktop got? |
| 20:49.42 | bzgirl | patlabor221: but i can connect from other pc's running linux or win |
| 20:49.55 | patlabor221 | odd |
| 20:50.02 | patlabor221 | but what IP does the laptop get |
| 20:50.10 | bzgirl | yeah theyre all .....168.101 to 105 |
| 20:50.12 | patlabor221 | maybe it's not geting a good dhcp addy |
| 20:50.14 | learner | bzgirl: is the laptop plugged into the lan port? |
| 20:50.29 | learner | er, wan |
| 20:50.37 | patlabor221 | it should be in the LAN |
| 20:50.52 | learner | or the uplink port also -- should avoid both |
| 20:50.53 | bzgirl | learner: its plugged in port 1 |
| 20:51.07 | patlabor221 | it get a link light? |
| 20:51.09 | bzgirl | the dsl modem isin wan port |
| 20:51.17 | bzgirl | uplink port is empty |
| 20:51.23 | learner | hrm |
| 20:51.34 | patlabor221 | you could try giving the laptop a static IP |
| 20:51.38 | bzgirl | the lapppy gets an ip, im on xchat with it |
| 20:51.43 | patlabor221 | oh |
| 20:51.48 | learner | heh |
| 20:52.04 | patlabor221 | the what is refusing the coonection |
| 20:52.06 | patlabor221 | the box? |
| 20:52.12 | bzgirl | the router |
| 20:52.14 | learner | can you ping 192.168.1.1? |
| 20:52.29 | patlabor221 | odd, you can get to the net but not the box |
| 20:52.31 | bzgirl | yes |
| 20:52.32 | patlabor221 | never seent hat |
| 20:52.35 | bzgirl | ping yes |
| 20:52.44 | learner | can you telnet to port 80? |
| 20:52.53 | learner | telnet 192.168.1.1 80 |
| 20:53.05 | KR | bye all bbl |
| 20:53.09 | bzgirl | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 20:53.10 | learner | cya kr |
| 20:53.15 | learner | wierd |
| 20:53.15 | bzgirl | by kr |
| 20:53.33 | patlabor221 | the box may be in a mode where it won't config from certan Ips |
| 20:53.43 | patlabor221 | or maybe only from certan Ips |
| 20:53.57 | learner | sounds like a configuration setting in the router, though I can't imagine what off the top of my head |
| 20:54.05 | bzgirl | patlabor221: i cant see that mode though in the config pages |
| 20:54.35 | patlabor221 | odd |
| 20:55.04 | bzgirl | client lease time is set to 0 days |
| 20:55.08 | learner | girl: did you try power cycling it just for kicks? |
| 20:55.30 | bzgirl | learner: toronto hydro just power cycled it for me |
| 20:55.33 | patlabor221 | maybe the router is set with some port mapings to the laptop IP and those are getin in the way |
| 20:56.21 | bzgirl | i have ports forwarded for bzservers |
| 20:56.28 | bzgirl | maybe i will remove them |
| 20:57.14 | learner | is the "security"/virus software enabled? |
| 20:57.18 | patlabor221 | if the laptop got that IP maybe it's screwting something up |
| 20:57.25 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 20:58.03 | bzgirl | learner: no |
| 20:58.55 | learner | is it set up in gateway or router mode? |
| 20:59.07 | learner | (advanced settings - dynamic routing) |
| 21:00.06 | learner | and what does the "Show Routing Table" say under Interface for 192.168.1.0 |
| 21:02.12 | bzgirl | sry..phone |
| 21:02.51 | bzgirl | its in gateway mode |
| 21:03.23 | *** part/#bzflag Averell (averell@dsl-62-220-13-2.berlikomm.net) |
| 21:03.46 | bzgirl | subnet 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:03.59 | bzgirl | and gateway 0.0.0.0 hop 1 |
| 21:04.05 | learner | interface lan? |
| 21:04.26 | bzgirl | huh? |
| 21:04.41 | learner | different firmware, never mind |
| 21:04.45 | bzgirl | thats the 192.168.1.0 in the route table |
| 21:05.34 | learner | beats me -- i'd write down your port forwards (and anything else you might have changed) and try pressing the reset button on the back of the router |
| 21:06.35 | learner | 4 port switch and you're using them all? *grin* |
| 21:06.35 | *** join/#bzflag chatelaine (~orchid@ottawa-hs-64-26-147-240.d-ip.magma.ca) |
| 21:07.08 | chatelaine | can you connect to http://bzgirl.bzflag.org |
| 21:07.22 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 21:07.41 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.53 | learner | negative here as well |
| 21:07.59 | *** join/#bzflag brat__ (~orchid@ottawa-hs-64-26-147-23.d-ip.magma.ca) |
| 21:08.16 | learner | and people said i had identity issues.. |
| 21:08.22 | patlabor221 | you do learner |
| 21:08.24 | patlabor221 | you do |
| 21:08.26 | learner | hehe |
| 21:09.09 | learner | bzgirl: did you reset or can you try one more thing? |
| 21:09.24 | bzgirl | bryjen: so am i |
| 21:09.34 | bzgirl | bryjen: one is plenty |
| 21:09.41 | patlabor221 | your just jealous you can't multi-instance real girls |
| 21:09.45 | bzgirl | learner: yes go ahead |
| 21:10.02 | learner | can you telnet to port 80 of brlcad.org? |
| 21:10.04 | bryjen | patlabor221: i doubt my wife would appreciate that ;) |
| 21:10.14 | patlabor221 | I don't think she would ether |
| 21:10.41 | bzgirl | learner i connected |
| 21:10.55 | bryjen | eh. does that mean a wedding ring is a serialization lock? |
| 21:11.15 | patlabor221 | I think that and the guilt are suposed to serve that function. |
| 21:11.34 | patlabor221 | it's part of the ULA |
| 21:11.41 | bryjen | anyways.... |
| 21:11.53 | bryjen | bzgirl: so its working now? |
| 21:12.26 | learner | while (1) { fork(); } |
| 21:12.31 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl_ (~orchid@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-177.d-ip.magma.ca) |
| 21:12.46 | patlabor221 | I think you go to jail for that learner |
| 21:13.11 | patlabor221 | unless you buy her dinner and she says "yes" |
| 21:13.13 | larsl | I did that to someone who played annoying music in the computer labs in school once. =) |
| 21:13.28 | larsl | The while(1) fork(); thing, that is. |
| 21:14.27 | learner | bzgirl: not sure, sorry -- did you restart the router (via the reset switch)? |
| 21:14.32 | patlabor221 | you forked in the labs? |
| 21:14.40 | bzgirl_ | learner: no |
| 21:14.53 | bzgirl_ | learner: its ok, just mildly annoying |
| 21:16.00 | learner | new iis exploit?? \xff\xf4\xff\xfd\x06\xff\xf4\xff\xfd\x06 |
| 21:19.44 | BagsAtWork | n Happy Hour |
| 21:32.11 | larsl | When a server is in "GAME OVER" and all real players have left, it still won't start a new game until all observers have left too. |
| 21:32.14 | larsl | Bug or feature? |
| 21:32.31 | learner | yes |
| 21:32.36 | larsl | =) |
| 21:33.03 | prot-work | right now the server can't restart the game until everyone disconnects |
| 21:33.07 | patlabor221 | buggy feature |
| 21:33.39 | patlabor221 | wait 30 sec and then superkill |
| 21:34.38 | larsl | Is there an option for that in 1.7g2? |
| 21:35.39 | learner | no |
| 21:36.08 | larsl | Hm, I see a potential problem with my perpetual observers... |
| 21:36.18 | bit | yes |
| 21:36.32 | patlabor221 | you need autojoin |
| 21:36.56 | larsl | I need to (a) make them smarter so that they leave and rejoin when the game is over and no players are left, or (b) remove the team score limit and never end the game. |
| 21:37.27 | larsl | Might be easier to just patch the server to superkill after some time. |
| 21:39.24 | patlabor221 | learner, did that code ever work? |
| 21:40.58 | larsl | That would be the ideal. |
| 21:44.29 | bit | patlabor: haven't pulled out my laptop since I got home to try yet -- was dorking around with gimp |
| 21:44.54 | patlabor221 | you probably won't want to run the one thats in the root, it has "issues" |
| 21:45.21 | patlabor221 | keen |
| 21:45.35 | bit | whois bit |
| 21:45.58 | patlabor221 | the ones in the older folders use the old subspace graphics |
| 21:46.05 | patlabor221 | there should be ppc and 68k builds |
| 21:46.21 | patlabor221 | and a boatload of resources |
| 21:46.38 | bryjen | ~flip bit off |
| 21:46.38 | bit | i noticed.. tried it briefly at work -- where I don't have a classic environment installed |
| 21:47.00 | patlabor221 | I had just learned C :) |
| 21:47.06 | patlabor221 | I was soo proud |
| 21:47.14 | bit | bryjen: mnInm |
| 21:47.25 | bit | :) |
| 21:47.33 | bryjen | uh, yeah |
| 21:47.36 | bit | pat: haha :) |
| 21:47.39 | patlabor221 | classes were scarry |
| 21:47.45 | patlabor221 | so we didn't use any |
| 21:47.50 | bit | heh |
| 21:48.03 | patlabor221 | hence "globals.h" |
| 21:50.03 | patlabor221 | and no turrets, turrets were lame. |
| 21:50.11 | learner | yes.. although the level of detail they put into those little sprites would still bit a little tough with opengl for most grpahics cards |
| 21:50.29 | learner | what?! you mean the multi-man turrets? |
| 21:50.33 | learner | that was fun :) |
| 21:50.38 | patlabor221 | for a bit |
| 21:50.47 | patlabor221 | it was easy to knock people off em |
| 21:51.06 | patlabor221 | yeah there sprites were good, but you could comp with good textures |
| 21:51.18 | patlabor221 | and it would be nice to let the user set how much could be seen |
| 21:51.29 | patlabor221 | instead of people with larger monitors just seeing more |
| 21:51.36 | patlabor221 | and you could do way cool explosions :) |
| 21:52.06 | learner | yes .. though I can't compalin since I was always on a bit 21" monitor even back then :) |
| 21:52.18 | patlabor221 | yeah I allways had a 19 |
| 21:53.22 | tea|tree | foofoo |
| 21:53.24 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 21:55.56 | BagsAtWork | nhappy hour |
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| 22:01.35 | larsl | ~towers |
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| 22:13.43 | prot-work | doobeedoo |
| 22:13.45 | prot-work | <-bored |
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| 22:23.47 | prot-work | ENTERTAIN ME DAMNIT! |
| 22:27.19 | patlabor221 | watch the red vs. blue videos DAMIT! |
| 22:28.30 | learner | patlabor... guess what I was just playing... =} |
| 22:28.44 | prot-work | no video here |
| 22:28.52 | patlabor221 | sheeeeeeeellllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 22:29.17 | patlabor221 | where the heck are ya? don't you work in a MULTIMEDIA place? |
| 22:29.18 | tea|tree | has somewone got a bnc server? |
| 22:29.55 | learner | you mean vnc? |
| 22:30.01 | tea|tree | bnc |
| 22:30.03 | tea|tree | bouncer |
| 22:30.08 | prot-work | patlabor221: normally i do |
| 22:30.17 | patlabor221 | bouncer? |
| 22:30.19 | prot-work | right now i'm in the real office |
| 22:30.25 | learner | pat: pretty cool :) |
| 22:30.25 | prot-work | sitting on a p100 |
| 22:30.30 | patlabor221 | well what are you doing there? |
| 22:30.38 | prot-work | answering the phone |
| 22:30.41 | patlabor221 | ewww |
| 22:30.41 | learner | haha, is that pre onxy4 punishment?? |
| 22:30.54 | patlabor221 | just have them shoot you |
| 22:30.57 | prot-work | learner: no, this just happens to be my workstation here :P |
| 22:31.04 | prot-work | its ok - all i really need is twm and xterm |
| 22:32.36 | learner | project 23 worked just out of the box first try |
| 22:33.12 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 22:33.12 | prot-work | project 23? |
| 22:33.13 | patlabor221 | wow |
| 22:33.20 | patlabor221 | the best of all the projects! |
| 22:33.32 | patlabor221 | didn't run here |
| 22:33.40 | learner | that was pretty cool, aamof |
| 22:34.05 | tea|tree | bnc server .. |
| 22:34.08 | tea|tree | :( |
| 22:34.10 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 22:34.18 | patlabor221 | we don't know what you are asking for tea |
| 22:34.25 | patlabor221 | what is bouncer? |
| 22:34.25 | tea|tree | its a server |
| 22:34.29 | patlabor221 | for BZ? |
| 22:34.29 | tea|tree | explaining: |
| 22:34.31 | tea|tree | noo |
| 22:34.36 | tea|tree | IRC |
| 22:34.40 | tea|tree | where u conect on |
| 22:34.48 | tea|tree | you can turn your pc off |
| 22:34.48 | prot-work | like...dircproxy? |
| 22:34.57 | tea|tree | but u stay 24 h on irc on the server |
| 22:35.07 | prot-work | thats silly |
| 22:35.09 | tea|tree | and when you back |
| 22:35.16 | tea|tree | it shows all the messiges |
| 22:35.21 | prot-work | or you could just read the logs |
| 22:35.26 | patlabor221 | learner every so often I think about finishing it. but its too old tech |
| 22:35.32 | tea|tree | and querry messiges? |
| 22:35.48 | prot-work | tea|tree: nobody needs to talk to you that badly |
| 22:36.02 | learner | heh, yea -- stil pretty cool |
| 22:36.08 | tea|tree | prot on other server in icq :P |
| 22:36.12 | tea|tree | irc :P |
| 22:36.13 | patlabor221 | what one did you run? |
| 22:36.28 | patlabor221 | did it have the old subspace ships? and the shots that didn't go backwards? |
| 22:36.41 | tea|tree | huh? |
| 22:36.41 | tea|tree | me? |
| 22:36.42 | TimRiker | nite |
| 22:36.44 | learner | i ran the Project 23 in the main directory, as well as the continuum map editor |
| 22:36.58 | patlabor221 | ohh the one in the main is busted |
| 22:37.16 | learner | oh wow |
| 22:37.21 | learner | Raven is pretty cool |
| 22:37.21 | patlabor221 | look at some of the others |
| 22:37.26 | patlabor221 | they look better |
| 22:37.36 | patlabor221 | we were in the middle of a reorg when we droped it |
| 22:37.50 | learner | but it just crashed on me :) |
| 22:38.05 | patlabor221 | tho the old ones may be based on frames and not time :) |
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| 22:48.11 | learner | ah.. just ran the "un-optimized" one |
| 22:48.24 | learner | much smoother (albeit not-full screen) |
| 22:48.33 | learner | very _fast_ too ... |
| 22:51.32 | learner | cool, another project 23 (in the project 23 dir) was full screen , blazing fast and fun |
| 22:52.24 | learner | or bsp for that matter |
| 22:52.51 | prot-work | bsp? for visibility testing? |
| 22:54.01 | learner | sure |
| 22:54.10 | learner | geometry culling |
| 22:54.24 | prot-work | well - there's both a technical reason and a non-technical reason |
| 22:54.28 | prot-work | which do you want first? :) |
| 22:55.34 | learner | yes |
| 22:56.03 | prot-work | (a) bzflag developers are lazy |
| 22:56.29 | prot-work | (b) bsps don't lend themselves well to outdoor scenes (where everything is potentially visible at once) |
| 22:56.37 | learner | heh, that's the technical reason? :) |
| 22:56.44 | prot-work | an octree might work somewhat better |
| 22:56.44 | learner | a? :) |
| 22:56.49 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 22:57.26 | learner | sure octree/dsp/whatever - some sort of space partitioning; if I'm not mistaken it's the whole seen all the time, yes? |
| 22:57.29 | prot-work | when everything is visible (a worst-case scenario anyway), bsps add a large amount of overhead |
| 22:57.51 | prot-work | so you're taking the situation where you have the most geometry, and adding processing on top of it |
| 22:58.38 | learner | i mean that currently, the entire scene/world is parsed as it currently sits implemented |
| 22:59.28 | prot-work | we've got frustum culling, no? |
| 22:59.52 | learner | i don't know -- that's what I'm asking :) |
| 23:00.14 | learner | and is the culling done pre sending it down the opengl pipeline :) |
| 23:00.33 | prot-work | should be |
| 23:00.35 | prot-work | look at the code ;) |
| 23:09.05 | tea|tree | ~d |
| 23:12.39 | larsl | ~towers |
