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| 00:28.39 | SGI | hello |
| 00:29.56 | SGI | ~seen quol |
| 00:29.57 | | quol <~quolsimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 18h 16m 16s ago, saying: 'C ya'll later...'. |
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| 01:31.21 | chatty | Chestal: *poke* |
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| 01:37.51 | fiberchunks_ | allo |
| 01:38.03 | chatty | hey fiber! |
| 01:38.14 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 01:38.30 | fiberchunks | I am getting agitated with the quality of directv lately |
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| 01:38.36 | learner | how's your "time away from here" going? :) |
| 01:38.47 | fiberchunks | quite well - -getting things done - finally |
| 01:38.49 | learner | any progress on the weight plan? |
| 01:38.57 | fiberchunks | figured I'd take a break for a while tonight |
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| 01:39.15 | fiberchunks | not particularly -- been getting gallery setup to house pictures of Montana |
| 01:39.31 | learner | ah, sweet |
| 01:39.38 | fiberchunks | http://goldengallery.homelinux.org |
| 01:39.41 | learner | so when are you moving? ;) |
| 01:40.02 | fiberchunks | soon, friend, soon :) been looking at land and figuring out how much a house'll cost |
| 01:40.14 | fiberchunks | my plan is that within 2 years, I'll be out of here ;) |
| 01:40.25 | learner | wow, so you're pretty set serious on moving up there, eh? |
| 01:40.45 | fiberchunks | I _AM_ moving out west -- of that there is NO doubt ;) |
| 01:41.17 | fiberchunks | I just got atlases for Idaho, Colorado, Oregon, and Wash. State as well as Montana |
| 01:41.24 | learner | hehe |
| 01:41.34 | learner | haven't picked a state, yet? |
| 01:41.36 | fiberchunks | we |
| 01:41.40 | fiberchunks | 'll see capt ;) |
| 01:42.14 | fiberchunks | no, still looking for the best land / price combo, along with other factors (like jobs and schools for the kid -- although homeschool isn't entirely out of the picture) |
| 01:42.33 | fiberchunks | jobs for the woman -- I can work from anywhere, really |
| 01:42.49 | learner | nice pic of the outhouse :) |
| 01:42.53 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 01:42.56 | learner | you should frame it |
| 01:43.05 | learner | http://goldengallery.homelinux.org/albums/album01/p8110005.sized.jpg |
| 01:43.10 | fiberchunks | some of those pics are really shitey -- I warm you |
| 01:43.14 | fiberchunks | warn* |
| 01:43.40 | learner | wow, that is a lot of pics.. |
| 01:43.47 | learner | how many hundred are there? |
| 01:43.52 | fiberchunks | probably a couple |
| 01:44.15 | fiberchunks | you can really see the 'nicotine jitters' in some of em :) |
| 01:44.48 | fiberchunks | that and over / underexposure -- I haven't yet 'gimped' them to be sufficiently happy with a majority of them |
| 01:44.48 | learner | heh |
| 01:45.55 | fiberchunks | http://goldengallery.homelinux.org/album06/p8070021 |
| 01:46.03 | fiberchunks | ^^ that one is amusing |
| 01:46.15 | learner | lol |
| 01:46.18 | learner | indeed |
| 01:46.25 | learner | ooo... |
| 01:46.29 | learner | another frameable: http://goldengallery.homelinux.org/album08/p8070007 |
| 01:46.37 | fiberchunks | my question was: 'who the hell didn't think of that before they named it?' |
| 01:46.51 | learner | heh, they probably did :) |
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| 01:47.27 | fiberchunks | yeah, that one rocks |
| 01:49.13 | fiberchunks | I've gotta figure out a way to tie a wiki, forum, gallery, blogs, mp3 hosting, and a couple others into 1 vhost - right now, everythings in multiple vhosts to make configuration / testing easier |
| 01:50.12 | fiberchunks | only thing I don't like about wiki is the bizarre syntax -- esp for the dudes that need to use it -- would be nice if I could just tell them 'look, save it in word as an html file, and then paste it, submit, etc' |
| 01:50.37 | fiberchunks | course, would also be nice if I could simply tell them, 'ship me all your damned PCs and I'll put linux on em ;) ' |
| 01:53.07 | fiberchunks | damn, I just thought of this: I shoulda brought a knoppix cd with me -- dumb |
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| 02:10.29 | learner | ouch |
| 02:11.20 | lurgyman_ | heh |
| 02:11.32 | lurgyman_ | bzflag is being rather unhappy at using the whole screen |
| 02:11.48 | learner | what system |
| 02:12.10 | learner | and in what way? |
| 02:12.17 | lurgyman_ | gentoo |
| 02:12.23 | lurgyman_ | well |
| 02:12.33 | lurgyman_ | it starts |
| 02:12.57 | lurgyman_ | and it uses what looks like a 800x600 chunk of the upper-lefthand portion of the screen |
| 02:13.17 | lurgyman_ | whereas |
| 02:14.03 | lurgyman_ | if it were using the whole screen, it should be 1024x768 |
| 02:14.11 | lurgyman_ | and playing with the video mode option doesn't seem to help |
| 02:14.41 | learner | hrm |
| 02:15.35 | learner | so is the problem that it is 800x600 on a 1024x768 (or higher) display, or that it crashes or something? |
| 02:15.57 | lurgyman_ | it's plenty stable |
| 02:16.10 | lurgyman_ | but yes, it looks to be running at 800x600 on a higher res display |
| 02:16.30 | lurgyman_ | 1.7g0 |
| 02:16.53 | learner | oh |
| 02:17.02 | learner | you should upgrade :) |
| 02:17.26 | captain_proton | won't help, but you should upgrade anyway ;) |
| 02:17.33 | learner | exactly :) |
| 02:17.59 | lurgyman_ | captain_proton: you sure you want me munching your bandwidth? |
| 02:18.27 | lurgyman_ | * app-games/bzflag |
| 02:18.27 | lurgyman_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.27 | lurgyman_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.27 | lurgyman_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.34 | captain_proton | ...bandwidth? |
| 02:18.44 | lurgyman_ | where by bandwidth |
| 02:18.48 | lurgyman_ | i mean |
| 02:18.49 | lurgyman_ | lack thereof |
| 02:19.40 | lurgyman_ | hmm |
| 02:19.44 | lurgyman_ | captain_proton: we need more Stravinsky |
| 02:32.53 | scanline | captain_proton: you should use 1.9... I could update my CVS tree and tar it up for ya |
| 02:33.17 | lurgyman_ | scanline: me too :) |
| 02:33.37 | captain_proton | scanline: i have an up-to-date cvs tree ;) |
| 02:33.39 | learner | lurgy, that won't help you with your problem though |
| 02:33.40 | scanline | thingy? |
| 02:33.45 | lurgyman_ | scanline: can i also have a copy of the pybzflag tree? |
| 02:34.04 | scanline | mine is up to date as of a day or two ago.. wouldn't take long to fix that :) |
| 02:34.07 | lurgyman_ | learner: i bet not, but it'd be fun anyways |
| 02:34.13 | scanline | lurgyman_: yep, I'll just tar up all of CVS |
| 02:34.28 | lurgyman_ | sounds good to me |
| 02:35.33 | lurgyman_ | yay for irc'ing 4 feet from your bedroom doors... |
| 02:35.36 | scanline | I don't think anyone outside would mind some music drowning out the traffic |
| 02:35.46 | scanline | laptop? |
| 02:36.39 | lurgyman_ | muffin? |
| 02:37.20 | scanline | pear! |
| 02:38.00 | scanline | lurgyman_: getting a DCC? |
| 02:38.18 | lurgyman_ | hmm, yes... but, at a non-high bitrate |
| 02:38.26 | lurgyman_ | i.e., 0.0 kB/s |
| 02:38.44 | scanline | doh.. |
| 02:38.52 | scanline | it's trying to go through dircproxy on navi |
| 02:39.01 | lurgyman_ | ick |
| 02:39.19 | lurgyman_ | whee |
| 02:39.45 | lurgyman_ | scanline: can you put a copy of your dircproxy configgy widget in my home dir on navi? |
| 02:40.05 | scanline | ok |
| 02:40.16 | lurgyman_ | yay! |
| 02:40.19 | scanline | with password hashes removed of course |
| 02:40.40 | lurgyman_ | naturally |
| 02:40.56 | scanline | actually, I could add you to my dircproxy process I think |
| 02:41.07 | lurgyman_ | that's good too |
| 02:41.14 | scanline | not sure how you select between the two connections though.. it might just use whichever one the password matches |
| 02:41.42 | lurgyman_ | hmm |
| 02:41.52 | lurgyman_ | yyep |
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| 02:42.57 | learner | hi, jolly! |
| 02:43.11 | lurgyman_ | scanline: i put a password in ~lurgyman/passwd |
| 02:43.19 | jolly | hey learner :) |
| 02:43.26 | learner | cat ~lurgyman/passwd |
| 02:43.33 | learner | foobar |
| 02:43.38 | scanline | lurgyman_: I'm not sure this will work, you might just want to run your own process |
| 02:44.00 | captain_proton | /dev/mediavg/media 671G 33M 671G 1% /media |
| 02:44.05 | captain_proton | hooray! |
| 02:44.09 | scanline | =) |
| 02:44.14 | learner | lol, cap |
| 02:44.31 | scanline | captain_proton: so that's just LVM, no RAID? |
| 02:44.35 | captain_proton | scanline: right |
| 02:44.41 | scanline | slacker |
| 02:45.43 | captain_proton | yup |
| 02:45.56 | captain_proton | i figured since we'll have to re-mkfs it anyway... |
| 02:46.15 | scanline | er, config |
| 02:46.41 | scanline | aha |
| 02:46.45 | scanline | SIGHUP did it |
| 02:47.10 | ElectricElf | Anybody know of a way to alter the flags available via the client? |
| 02:47.16 | ElectricElf | (ie: as an admin) |
| 02:47.23 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 02:47.25 | captain_proton | http://www.cgshaders.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1831 |
| 02:47.27 | captain_proton | read the last comment |
| 02:47.52 | scanline | lurgyman_: /tmp/dircproxyrc |
| 02:53.33 | lurgyman_ | scanline: yay! thank you |
| 02:53.42 | scanline | np |
| 02:53.52 | scanline | DCC over a LAN is pretty nice :) |
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| 03:54.44 | captain_proton | what manner of bike? |
| 03:54.54 | learner | road bike |
| 03:54.59 | learner | bicycle |
| 03:55.30 | learner | I'm going to start commuting to work with it occassionally |
| 03:55.38 | captain_proton | neato, what kind? |
| 03:55.48 | learner | Specialized Allez |
| 04:00.06 | learner | here it is.. |
| 04:00.06 | learner | http://www.njbikes.com/allezelite.htm |
| 04:01.32 | captain_proton | -nice- |
| 04:03.37 | learner | it's a nice starter |
| 04:03.57 | learner | keeps me away from the pro-line bikes, but is enough of an investment to make me have to use it |
| 04:04.14 | captain_proton | mmhmm |
| 04:06.28 | learner | sweet |
| 04:12.07 | scanline | lurgyman_: 22 minutes |
| 04:12.20 | lurgyman_ | that's not the issue, so much |
| 04:12.46 | lurgyman_ | though i guess it's highly related |
| 04:12.49 | lurgyman_ | 20 B/s out and 20 B/s in |
| 04:13.10 | scanline | 21 minutes :P |
| 04:17.57 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 04:21.20 | lurgyman_ | heh |
| 04:21.24 | lurgyman_ | hmm, guppies |
| 04:23.17 | scanline | 8 minutes! |
| 04:23.49 | lurgyman_ | yay! |
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| 04:25.07 | learner | capt: what's up with the bovine? |
| 04:25.43 | captain_proton | i was inspired by jbd's ogden nash outburst |
| 04:25.59 | learner | i musta missed that |
| 04:26.27 | captain_proton | i've never seen a purple_cow, i never hope to see one |
| 04:26.33 | captain_proton | but i can tell you anyhow, i'd rather see than be one |
| 04:26.36 | captain_proton | *the end* |
| 04:26.46 | learner | haha |
| 04:26.58 | Carnage | any quols admins on? |
| 04:27.43 | bryjen | but now we've all seen the purple_cow |
| 04:27.44 | Carnage | he needs more of them |
| 04:28.31 | learner | indeed he does |
| 04:30.24 | bryjen | and has it been that bad to be one? |
| 04:30.58 | Carnage | 2nd time in the last 30 minutes |
| 04:31.25 | learner | they seem to creep out after midnight on quols server just about every day |
| 04:32.41 | bryjen | or even a bad pun. shocking. |
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| 04:56.55 | learner | hehe |
| 04:56.59 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/ads62.gif |
| 04:58.37 | bryjen | sha. I always feel better after shooting a few people. I use a BZ tank tho... |
| 04:59.11 | ElectricElf | Mmm, it's a good night for xmission. |
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| 05:13.55 | learner | hey quol.. |
| 05:14.00 | learner | like clockwork |
| 05:14.28 | Quol | hey learner |
| 05:14.33 | Quol | how R ya? |
| 05:14.39 | learner | doing well |
| 05:14.51 | Quol | glad to hear it |
| 05:14.53 | learner | there were a couple cheaters on your server after midnight again ;) |
| 05:14.59 | Quol | how was your all day meetings? |
| 05:15.07 | Quol | grrr |
| 05:15.20 | Quol | are you registered with my servers? |
| 05:15.27 | learner | actually, the meeting was not nearly as bad as usual |
| 05:15.35 | learner | i think so -- at least the ctf |
| 05:16.09 | Quol | my internet link was flooded all day - but it was stable and up at least |
| 05:16.28 | Quol | we got nailed with the welch virus |
| 05:16.56 | Quol | messed my plans up quite a bit today - I am actually starting my day now - just finished cleaning up the virus mess :( |
| 05:19.40 | learner | that sucks |
| 05:19.51 | Quol | :) - no kidding |
| 05:20.07 | Quol | it's 1:20Am and I stil have a couple of good hours of work ahead of me |
| 05:20.10 | learner | my meeting might actually have been more fun than your day :) |
| 05:20.18 | learner | ouch |
| 05:20.37 | Quol | not easy stuff either - bouncing traffic through load balancers and firewalls |
| 05:20.58 | Quol | multiple levels of them :) - I have to start thinking :) |
| 05:21.57 | learner | uh oh.. it's all downhill once they start requiring thought.. |
| 05:22.39 | Quol | especially at 1:30 AM... |
| 05:22.45 | learner | heh |
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| 05:35.06 | MrApathyCream | setPointer? |
| 05:35.14 | learner | getPointer |
| 05:35.48 | MrApathyCream | isn't compatible with 24bit addressing macs :) |
| 05:36.04 | learner | eh? |
| 05:36.14 | learner | it's an unsigned long.. |
| 05:36.30 | ElectricElf | MrApathyCream: 24-bit addressing? |
| 05:37.11 | learner | i don't think anyone has >8 byte void *'s yet |
| 05:37.20 | learner | at least that runs bzflag :) |
| 05:37.42 | MrApathyCream | ElectricElf, an early 90's architecture where high byte was used for flags like 'handle is locked, handle is resource, etc, etc. |
| 05:37.56 | ElectricElf | MrApathyCream: Oh, I'm not surprised :) |
| 05:38.07 | ElectricElf | MrApathyCream: But that it would be mentioned as relevant... ;) |
| 05:38.52 | MrApathyCream | System 6.0 i think, was last |
| 05:43.24 | learner | mac, did you get what get/setPointer do? |
| 05:43.54 | learner | allows storage and retreival of arbitrary pointers into the bzdb |
| 05:44.24 | MrApathyCream | yes, seems silly to me |
| 05:44.43 | learner | more optimal would be to modify the bzdb to allow explicit storage of numerics -- but that is a bit more effort since it's a larger mod to the protocol |
| 05:44.56 | learner | it fills a need |
| 05:46.06 | MrApathyCream | learner doesn't eval() do that? |
| 05:46.24 | learner | I can create and initialize data in main and stash it in the bzdb for access elsewhere without polluting an interface or the global namespace |
| 05:46.45 | learner | eval()? |
| 05:48.40 | MrApathyCream | BZDB->eval is used to fetched numerics |
| 05:48.42 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/common (StateDatabase.cxx): win32 doesn't have snprintf |
| 05:49.19 | learner | that's returning a float.. |
| 05:49.24 | learner | not too useful |
| 05:50.15 | MrApathyCream | I'd rather see someone go into playing.cxx and extract all the global variables into a Globals namespace, or class in a separate file |
| 05:51.16 | learner | er.. that was done for bzfs not bzflag -- but I agree that there are better solutions |
| 05:51.51 | learner | that one was quick, simple, and relatively well defined |
| 05:52.03 | learner | and was indeed useful |
| 05:53.08 | learner | more useful would be to actually allow storage of data/objects themselves into the bzdb (or something similar) |
| 05:53.22 | learner | an actual db/brokerage service |
| 06:10.12 | captain_proton | seems like overkill to me |
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| 06:11.10 | learner | not much different need/wise than a singleton <map> |
| 06:18.06 | MrApathyCream | maybe we could use mysql instead, that wouldn't be overkill would it? |
| 06:32.50 | captain_proton | learner: do you need me to write up a where & when of BZDB? :) |
| 06:33.18 | JBDiGriz | Wouldn't that be useful for a number of developers? |
| 06:33.31 | captain_proton | probably |
| 06:33.51 | learner | so you saw my comment? :) |
| 06:43.41 | MrApathyCream | make sure there aren't any knots in you're rope, that's usually what gets me |
| 06:43.45 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (DEVINFO): preliminary learner flaming |
| 06:44.18 | captain_proton | no knots |
| 06:44.26 | captain_proton | i think scanline is doing windows update on his vmware |
| 06:44.58 | Quol | it is too late for doing this type of work :) |
| 06:45.09 | JBDiGriz | Quol: bzg showed up and took care of the tk so you can ignore my email. |
| 06:45.23 | Quol | JBDiGriz, OK |
| 06:45.33 | Quol | BTW - what email :) |
| 06:45.50 | JBDiGriz | It's on hotmail, which is what you listed on centrum as your email. |
| 06:45.51 | scanline | yep.. need some of them win2k service packs for MPLAB to run apparently |
| 06:46.11 | scanline | the win2k service pack 4 is even more huge than MPLAB itself... |
| 06:46.11 | Quol | OK - I will check |
| 06:46.40 | JBDiGriz | scanline: Take your win2k far away from here! I'm tired of win2k :\ |
| 06:47.15 | scanline | JBDiGriz: it's safely quarantined within VMWare. it's been broken for a while, but I'm reinstalling it since some of the PIC development tools I need are windows-only |
| 06:48.21 | JBDiGriz | scanline: I've been dealing with USB issues (which only occur on win2k) this entire week. Macs, Linux, and XP all work very well with our device! |
| 06:48.36 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:48.59 | Quol | I am trying to sort out these connection issues at work - stuff like ip .111 port 80 load balances to a couple more load balancer IP's .112, 113 port 80 which the real servers then redirect to .212 port 443 when point to more load balancers .213, .214 port 443 whcih then the SSl accelerators handle the encryuption/decrytiption and handle to the content cache switches then hand that to the real servers and , and , and , AHHHHHHH TOO |
| 06:48.59 | Quol | O Latefor this crap :) |
| 06:49.04 | scanline | decided to finally write some firmware for the PIC16C745-based gadgets i've prototyped |
| 06:49.06 | JBDiGriz | Do you need some work doing USB device drivers on windows? |
| 06:49.20 | scanline | I don't plan on writing windows drivers for this |
| 06:49.41 | scanline | all the people that will be using the devices use linux |
| 06:50.05 | JBDiGriz | I'm trying to find someone to hand these issues to, so they can really be fixed. I'm handling the linux target USB side. |
| 06:50.38 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: what is your device? or is it one of those "ho hum" sekret military USB HID devices? |
| 06:51.00 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (StateDatabase.h): put documentation where it belongs |
| 06:51.08 | JBDiGriz | Not at all, it's a network analyzer, hang on, and I'll get you a URL. |
| 06:52.41 | JBDiGriz | http://www.idealindustries.com/lt/LANTEK.nsf/LANTEK7Frame?OpenFrameset |
| 06:53.40 | captain_proton | i'm not saying unnecessary globals |
| 06:53.48 | learner | well.. true |
| 06:53.53 | captain_proton | i'm saying if you need something that warrants a global, use a global |
| 06:54.00 | learner | you said repeated access data |
| 06:54.16 | JBDiGriz | I'm not one of those people who works on a lot of military equipment! ;-) |
| 06:54.31 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: oooooooooo |
| 06:54.38 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: thats sexy |
| 06:54.58 | JBDiGriz | Useful for datacenters with lots of cable! |
| 06:55.26 | captain_proton | so is the FIBERTEK basically just a transciever? |
| 06:55.34 | JBDiGriz | I wouldn't necessarily call it sexy though! |
| 06:56.07 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: well...you have to understand |
| 06:56.15 | JBDiGriz | It's a little bit of hardware, but basically yes. |
| 06:56.21 | captain_proton | our latest cable tester's main features are 10BaseT and token ring |
| 06:56.41 | captain_proton | s/cable tester/network analyzer |
| 06:56.43 | JBDiGriz | This can do a bit more than that! |
| 06:57.09 | JBDiGriz | We use the network analyzer's to verify the calibration of the tester. |
| 06:57.55 | MrApathyCream | we had token ring at out office till someone broke the cable and the token rolled behind one of the cabinets |
| 06:58.25 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): rearrange length and code for world downloads to match messages |
| 06:58.29 | JBDiGriz | Keep a spare supply of tokens in your desk drawer. The hard part is getting them back onto the ring! ;-) |
| 06:58.57 | MrApathyCream | thar ya go scans |
| 06:59.11 | scanline | yay |
| 06:59.18 | scanline | thanks MrApathyCream |
| 06:59.24 | scanline | now update the wiki :) |
| 06:59.39 | JBDiGriz | He's demanding, isn't he! |
| 07:00.07 | MrApathyCream | it's in the only protocol doc that matters, protocol.h :) |
| 07:00.37 | JBDiGriz | It's friday night, and these people believe that network testers are sexy, and they're fantasizing about font engines? |
| 07:01.03 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 07:01.23 | MrApathyCream | ooh, your hands are cold! |
| 07:01.35 | JBDiGriz | Make sure they're in a brown paper bag. |
| 07:01.40 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:02.11 | MrApathyCream | anyone here Chestals' illaboration of some /set vars don't work |
| 07:02.16 | MrApathyCream | ~spell illaboration |
| 07:02.18 | | possible spellings for illaboration: elaboration collaboration elaborations collaborations liberation elaborating elaboration's |
| 07:02.23 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 07:02.25 | MrApathyCream | elaboration |
| 07:02.37 | scanline | hehe, illaboration |
| 07:02.46 | JBDiGriz | MAC you've been hanging around with chika too much! |
| 07:02.52 | captain_proton | soooo |
| 07:02.54 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:02.59 | JBDiGriz | or maybe pat? |
| 07:03.06 | MrApathyCream | dats da truff |
| 07:05.13 | JBDiGriz | where did you find that? |
| 07:05.28 | MrApathyCream | in the TODOs |
| 07:05.32 | MrApathyCream | (riker added) |
| 07:06.23 | JBDiGriz | I'm trying to relate it back to the wipi, and I'm not sure what it means. |
| 07:07.10 | captain_proton | when you request a gameinfo, it should be a udp packet, right, that only gets sent once |
| 07:07.52 | MrApathyCream | meaning, bzbot? |
| 07:07.56 | MrApathyCream | in english? |
| 07:10.21 | captain_proton | epoch time fiasco? |
| 07:11.50 | MrApathyCream | the sillyness that it back patches the epoch time into the world database, and everytime you change the database, invariably you forget to change the offset |
| 07:11.52 | MrApathyCream | you meaning one |
| 07:16.29 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i think most important is using strings in the protocol for the version |
| 07:17.28 | Quol | learner, you still there? |
| 07:17.46 | learner | who? wha? eh? |
| 07:18.12 | Quol | was it you who had the badwords file? the big one? |
| 07:18.21 | MrApathyCream | this hasn't been changed because folks are lazy, or cause there's some non-obvious difficulty with it? |
| 07:18.27 | learner | i compiled it, yes |
| 07:18.41 | learner | it's in cvs now |
| 07:18.43 | Quol | is there a URL where I can grab it? |
| 07:18.46 | MrApathyCream | you potty mouth, learner |
| 07:18.49 | Quol | ahhh |
| 07:19.02 | learner | i can url it if you like |
| 07:19.49 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/multilingualSwearList.txt |
| 07:20.00 | Quol | hmm - no - it's OK - I wil grab it from CVS - is it under the main BZFLAG branch? |
| 07:20.14 | learner | yes, it's under misc/ |
| 07:20.18 | Quol | or I will just grab it from there :) |
| 07:20.28 | learner | there's also a simplified version if the large one is too much |
| 07:20.47 | Quol | CVS again? |
| 07:20.51 | learner | yep |
| 07:21.00 | Quol | OK - thanks - i will check it out |
| 07:21.29 | learner | feel free to make changes/additions/removals/etc |
| 07:21.48 | Quol | also - anyone know if it will work if I set up a cron job to copy the "bzflag server files" from one bzfs instance to another and then doo a /reload on that server? |
| 07:22.23 | learner | it's not been "polished" by anyone yet other than myself and a couple other eyeballs |
| 07:22.40 | learner | the international languages could use some work, in particular |
| 07:23.03 | learner | mac, is that like a dirty croiss-ant? |
| 07:23.26 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): JAFO is dead, JAFO is dead, long live JAFO |
| 07:24.10 | Quol | I guess I will find out now :)... |
| 07:24.33 | scanline | hmm, what's all this then? |
| 07:25.05 | learner | quol, you'll have to strip the comments from that file for a 1.7 server |
| 07:25.22 | learner | it's intended for the new filter in 1.9 |
| 07:26.00 | Quol | learner, OK - will do |
| 07:26.03 | learner | laughing your _what_ off?? :) |
| 07:26.19 | MrApathyCream | it was purified by the filter -- 'cheeks' |
| 07:26.26 | learner | lol |
| 07:27.16 | MrApathyCream | Quol: cron/i don't see why not |
| 07:27.30 | learner | the old filter was a simple exact-match filter so all of the additional matching mentioned in the header will _not_ happen in 1.7 |
| 07:27.55 | learner | but it is a beast of a list to start with |
| 07:28.49 | MrApathyCream | scanline, MPython? |
| 07:28.55 | Quol | MrApathyCream, I know I set up soft links before, but that didn't work. where all my config files pointed to individual links but they all pointed to the same files... |
| 07:29.07 | scanline | MrApathyCream: hmm? |
| 07:29.18 | MrApathyCream | 'What's all this then?' -- Monty? |
| 07:29.52 | scanline | suppose so |
| 07:31.50 | Quol | learner, do I have to strip of the comments that apear in mid-line, or only the ones at the beggining og the line? |
| 07:32.15 | learner | all of them, iirc, sorry |
| 07:32.41 | scanline | could use sed to nuke them all with ease |
| 07:33.03 | learner | the filter and file parser were very trivial |
| 07:35.28 | Quol | scanline, that's what I will use - didn't know if a simple grep -v ^# would work though |
| 07:35.49 | Quol | just to return the lines that didn't have comments at the bigginging |
| 07:36.05 | learner | yea, something like: cat multilingualSwearList.txt | sed 's/^\(.*\)\(#.*\)/\1/'| sed 's/^#.*//' |
| 07:36.38 | Quol | I am soo tired that looks like another langauge to me right now :) |
| 07:36.39 | scanline | wouldn't just s/#.*// be enough? |
| 07:36.42 | learner | that'll leave empty lines, i forget how to condense them |
| 07:36.59 | learner | perhaps, scanline :) |
| 07:37.33 | learner | hehe |
| 07:37.56 | learner | it's getting late, I think my brain is ceasing to focus |
| 07:38.08 | Quol | your telling me... |
| 07:38.21 | Quol | learner - once I reload my servers you will be all set.. |
| 07:42.03 | learner | okay |
| 07:49.56 | Quol | learner, any way to issue multiple commands to the bzflag server using the bzadmin tool? |
| 07:50.11 | Quol | like can I log in and issue a /reload command? |
| 07:50.40 | learner | the only way i know how to do that is with chat.py ... |
| 07:51.03 | learner | oh, wait -- you can manually do it with bzadmin -- sure |
| 07:51.04 | Quol | I haven't looked at that |
| 07:51.23 | Quol | ya - but I can't script it using that can I? |
| 07:51.34 | learner | it sends commands to the server just like the client |
| 07:51.47 | learner | ya, it's not set up for stdio |
| 07:51.55 | Quol | something like bzadmin quol locahost:8081 /pasword blabla && /reload |
| 07:51.58 | learner | as far as I know |
| 07:53.05 | learner | if what's-his-name would put it into cvs proper, I might actually consider fixing it up a bit |
| 07:53.15 | learner | but alas he didn't think it was "ready" |
| 07:54.33 | learner | oh wait.. |
| 07:54.40 | learner | I'm reading the docs now -- you can do it |
| 07:57.53 | Quol | where did you find those - I have been looking? |
| 07:58.08 | learner | it's in the README in the source tarball |
| 07:58.09 | Quol | I remember seeing those a while back - on sourceforge somewhere? |
| 07:58.13 | Quol | OOPS |
| 07:58.14 | Quol | lol |
| 07:58.50 | learner | cap, thoughts on closing out that patch and adding it to src/bzadmin ? |
| 08:03.34 | Quol | learner - I am trying to see if I have the latest bzadmin - where did you ind the tarball again |
| 08:04.21 | Quol | ahh - found it |
| 08:04.24 | Quol | never mind |
| 08:04.46 | learner | glad I could help |
| 08:06.22 | learner | what's that, mac? bzw? |
| 08:06.35 | MrApathyCream | strnofreakingcasecmp for *nix type people |
| 08:06.51 | MrApathyCream | box |
| 08:06.51 | MrApathyCream | end |
| 08:06.51 | MrApathyCream | BOX |
| 08:06.51 | MrApathyCream | END |
| 08:06.52 | MrApathyCream | etc |
| 08:06.57 | learner | i know what stricmp is .. what's bzw? :) |
| 08:07.07 | MrApathyCream | world file |
| 08:07.10 | learner | ah |
| 08:07.21 | learner | yea, good idea :) |
| 08:07.38 | MrApathyCream | specially when it's 'flagHeight' |
| 08:07.42 | MrApathyCream | not flagheight, or FlagHeight |
| 08:09.24 | learner | i have no stricmp, btw ;) |
| 08:09.31 | learner | but I do have int strncasecmp(const char * s1 , const char * s2 , size_t n) |
| 08:09.36 | MrApathyCream | yes, yours is strnofreakingcasecmp |
| 08:10.42 | MrApathyCream | BTW, hows the pool of 1.9 testers coming? |
| 08:14.03 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (10 files in 4 dirs): flagheight, flagradius, flagaltitude moved to BZDB |
| 08:15.39 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): Radar doesn't respect WorldSize |
| 08:41.22 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/obstacle (BoxBuilding.cxx): bullets bounce of buildings in the z direction |
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| 14:08.18 | Chestal | hi MAC |
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| 16:32.12 | learner | holy carpola fiber -- i salute you |
| 16:32.32 | learner | 50 beers in 4 hours |
| 16:36.23 | JBDiGriz | Not something to encourage our younger members to attempt! |
| 16:36.40 | learner | indeed |
| 16:37.30 | learner | Mmm.. like the new wiki layout |
| 16:38.50 | learner | is 2.3 Version 1.9 supposed to list things added since 1.7? |
| 16:39.21 | learner | seems like a repeat of the 1.9 for sure list |
| 16:40.19 | JBDiGriz | Right now it mostly is a repeat. I need to merge those two parts, and reconcile with the TODO. |
| 16:45.32 | JBDiGriz | wiki editting seems like it is having some problems. |
| 16:45.54 | fiberchunks_ | indeed -- that's why I said 'I'm not sure whether to be ashamed of this or not' |
| 16:46.27 | JBDiGriz | fiberchunks_: It seems pretty obvious to me! ;-) |
| 16:47.00 | fiberchunks_ | :) |
| 16:47.27 | fiberchunks_ | ah youth <<-- is all I have to say about that ;) |
| 16:48.16 | JBDiGriz | I've changed the wipi to make the release sound a little more like a release |
| 16:48.46 | JBDiGriz | fiberchunks_: How was the vacation? |
| 16:50.09 | JBDiGriz | We also need a number for the next release 1.9.3.14159 ? |
| 16:57.15 | fiberchunks_ | good thanks -- loads of fun :) |
| 16:57.32 | fiberchunks_ | hey, anyone know what the comment delimiter (if any), is for css? |
| 17:02.22 | learner | afaik, /* */ works |
| 17:04.20 | fiberchunks_ | ah, cool |
| 17:05.16 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): .c_str() and some indentation |
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| 17:08.56 | bzgirl | hi |
| 17:09.12 | Chestal | hi bzg |
| 17:10.55 | learner | chestal: did you get 4 and 7? |
| 17:11.18 | Chestal | no |
| 17:11.26 | learner | :( |
| 17:12.03 | bzgirl | invisibles? |
| 17:12.10 | learner | yep |
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| 17:35.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 17:54.24 | learner | jeesh, I'm pretty sure I've seen #7 -- it's erking me |
| 17:58.15 | learner | it's not matt damon, not mel gibson |
| 17:58.41 | Patlabor221 | what is the link to that again? |
| 17:58.48 | learner | http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/invisible_141.shtml |
| 17:59.27 | Patlabor221 | tough one |
| 18:01.14 | Patlabor221 | kinda looks like something from x-files |
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| 18:03.14 | Quol | greetings to all |
| 18:03.30 | learner | good morning good sir |
| 18:03.33 | learner | sleep any? |
| 18:03.40 | Quol | 5 hours or so - not bad |
| 18:03.52 | Quol | I finished around 5 AM |
| 18:04.23 | Quol | how about you? - sleep any? |
| 18:04.28 | learner | great.. so you can help figure out who 4 & 7 are.. http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/invisible_141.shtml :) |
| 18:04.42 | learner | yea, I just woke up a couple hours ago in fact |
| 18:05.09 | Quol | nice - I am guessing you don't have a family to wake you up? :) |
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| 18:05.59 | Quol | i have no clue about 4 and 7 |
| 18:16.56 | Quol | learner, you figure out 4 and 7? |
| 18:17.16 | learner | niet |
| 18:18.14 | Quol | I wonder if larsl wil come back soom - I have a question for him about hs bzadmin.. |
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| 18:27.32 | bzgirl | hi LagMonkey |
| 18:27.32 | LagMonkey | Hi, bzgirl |
| 18:28.00 | larsl_out | Quol: I'm here now. |
| 18:29.06 | Quol | hey larsl - How R ya? I was able to build bzadmin 3 just fine... |
| 18:29.16 | Quol | adn 4 is Ok to but doesn't work |
| 18:29.29 | Quol | I can build it, but when I execute it noting happens - any ideas? |
| 18:29.48 | larsl | Nothing at all? |
| 18:30.03 | Quol | nothing, no errors, |
| 18:30.18 | Quol | you know in 3 if you just execute bzadmin17.. |
| 18:30.28 | Quol | it returns the utilization info |
| 18:30.32 | Quol | it doens't eve do that |
| 18:30.39 | Quol | just a blank line then the prompt |
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| 18:31.05 | Quol | mornin KB |
| 18:31.09 | Quol | oops Jb |
| 18:31.28 | JBDiGriz | Still looking for that toy store? |
| 18:31.44 | larsl | Quol: bzadmin or bzadmin17? And what command parameters do you use? |
| 18:31.54 | Quol | bzadmin17 |
| 18:32.01 | Quol | if I do: |
| 18:32.10 | Quol | bzadmin17 quol@localhost:8083 |
| 18:32.21 | Quol | nothin - just a blank line then the prompt |
| 18:32.48 | Quol | if I look at the server logs - no connection is even atempted |
| 18:33.05 | Quol | on bzadmin17 (version 3) and I do: |
| 18:33.06 | larsl | What happens if you use -stdout? |
| 18:33.22 | Quol | for stfout - smae thig |
| 18:33.31 | Quol | man - can't type |
| 18:33.59 | Quol | in version 3 - all is swell (for the ncurses portion anyways) |
| 18:34.21 | larsl | Hm. |
| 18:34.25 | *** part/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@adsl-63-204-118-194.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 18:34.30 | Quol | it builds with no errors at all - |
| 18:35.05 | larsl | Which version of the bzflag 1.7 sources are you using when you build it? |
| 18:36.08 | Quol | g2 |
| 18:36.40 | Quol | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.40 | Quol | g++ -o bzadmin17 v17.cxx bzadmin.cxx CursesUI.cxx AutoCompleter.cxx OptionParser.cxx StdBothUI.cxx StdInUI.cxx StdOutUI.cxx -I../bzflag-1.7g2//include -I../bzflag-1.7g2/include -I../bzflag-1.7g2/include -I../bzflag-1.7g2/src/bzflag ../bzflag-1.7g2//src/bzflag/ServerLink.o -L../bzflag-1.7g2//src/net -L../bzflag-1.7g2//src/common -lNet -lCommon -lcurses -g -DV17 |
| 18:36.59 | Quol | that's what I get when I build it and it creates the binary just fine |
| 18:37.33 | larsl | That's very odd. |
| 18:38.02 | larsl | Do you have gdb? Or could you send me your bzadmin17 binary? |
| 18:38.39 | Quol | sure - I will send you the binary... |
| 18:38.52 | larsl | If it is for Linux, that is. |
| 18:39.00 | Quol | gdb-5.2.1-4 |
| 18:39.08 | Quol | taht the version of gdb I have |
| 18:39.12 | Quol | yup - redhat 9 |
| 18:39.16 | Quol | ahh 8 soryr |
| 18:39.50 | larsl | DCC me the bzadmin17 and I'll test it. |
| 18:40.48 | Quol | just copying it to me PC then I will send it |
| 18:41.55 | Quol | get it? |
| 18:42.16 | larsl | Yes, got it. |
| 18:44.00 | larsl | Same thing for me. |
| 18:44.15 | Quol | bizare - I couldn't figure it uot |
| 18:44.33 | Quol | if I use the same exact source - bzadmin3 builds fine and works.. |
| 18:44.43 | Quol | if you want I can send you that one also.. |
| 18:45.02 | larsl | Not right now, I'll debug this one a bit first. |
| 18:45.32 | Quol | OK...let me know should you want it |
| 18:49.29 | *** kick/#bzflag [LagMonkey!~jeffm@adsl-64-172-197-136.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] by Patlabor221 (Patlabor221) |
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| 18:49.30 | LagMonkey | Patlabor221: Ohh like that realy worked! |
| 18:49.42 | Patlabor221 | :P |
| 18:50.03 | bzgirl | :) |
| 18:51.28 | larsl | Aaah. |
| 18:51.39 | larsl | Forgot a return statement, which leads to undefined behaviour. |
| 18:51.53 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.56 | larsl | My compiler assumed "return true", yours must have assumed "return false" |
| 18:52.03 | Patlabor221 | LagMonkey Insult Learner's Macintosh |
| 18:52.04 | LagMonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.10 | Quol | ahhh |
| 18:52.14 | larsl | Fixing. |
| 18:52.32 | Patlabor221 | now that admin thing uses curses just for input/output right? |
| 18:52.59 | Quol | you can use it for input and output and for "real-time" |
| 18:53.09 | larsl | Patlabor221: Yes. It has interfaces that only uses stdout and/or stdin too. |
| 18:53.12 | Quol | Great idea by the way larsl |
| 18:53.17 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm |
| 18:53.30 | Patlabor221 | I wonder if I could hook it into lagmonkey |
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| 18:53.35 | BaDiN | olá |
| 18:53.40 | larsl | I even added a couple of scripts that adds an IRC interface and a bzfs<->bzfs gateway. =) |
| 18:53.43 | Quol | hello BaDiN |
| 18:53.47 | BaDiN | hi quol :) |
| 18:54.00 | Patlabor221 | ohh then no need to add it to lagmonkey |
| 18:54.05 | Quol | BaDiN, how are you today? |
| 18:54.11 | BaDiN | fine, you? :)= |
| 18:54.21 | larsl | The IRC interface is very very simple though. |
| 18:54.27 | Quol | not bad - I am on VACATION!! |
| 18:54.31 | Patlabor221 | so is lagmonkey :) |
| 18:54.41 | BaDiN | ehehe :) |
| 18:54.41 | larsl | It just echoes everything it hears in both directions. |
| 18:54.46 | BaDiN | HURRAY TO VACATIONS! |
| 18:55.20 | Patlabor221 | ahhh, well lagmonkey could be a bit more subtle then that |
| 18:55.27 | Quol | BaDiN, what have you been up to? haven't seen you in a while. |
| 18:55.49 | Quol | that could be more my not being around much though :) |
| 18:56.01 | BaDiN | yes, i think it is more like that :) |
| 18:56.05 | *** part/#bzflag LagMonkey (~simon@adsl-64-172-197-136.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 18:56.12 | BaDiN | you put up some very good servers :) |
| 18:56.33 | Quol | well I am glad yo think so :) Just hope that people use them.. |
| 18:57.26 | BaDiN | it's used as a good alternative to ducati |
| 18:57.28 | BaDiN | i think |
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| 18:58.10 | Quol | I do get some traffic - funny enough mostly around 11:00 PM - 2:00 AM eastern that is |
| 18:58.25 | BaDiN | :) |
| 19:01.09 | BaDiN | you're on The Titans? |
| 19:01.55 | Quol | no - I don't think they are a real team anymore... |
| 19:02.01 | Quol | so i am rogue :) |
| 19:02.01 | BaDiN | oh |
| 19:02.02 | BaDiN | lol |
| 19:02.05 | BaDiN | ehehe |
| 19:02.57 | larsl | Quol: bzadmin 5 is in the tracker, thanks for reporting the bug. |
| 19:03.28 | larsl | If you don't want to download it you can just add 'return true;' in the end of the implementation for OptionParser::parse(). |
| 19:04.10 | Quol | ahh great - I wil try it out now... |
| 19:04.25 | Quol | larsl, thanks for the help :) |
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| 19:30.26 | BaDiN | hi david |
| 19:39.53 | ElectricElf | Anybody here able to restart bzfs for xmission.bzflag.org on whatever machine it's running on? |
| 19:40.04 | BaDiN | not me |
| 19:40.52 | ElectricElf | We've got a flag stuck, and '/flag reset' (or '/flag reset unused') doesn't do it. |
| 19:41.09 | ElectricElf | Does anybody have any advice? I'm not familiar with any bugs or such that may be present, so I'm hesitant to use something like '/gameover'. |
| 19:41.33 | ElectricElf | (Or '/superkill', and I don't know if it'll restart after '/shutdown') |
| 19:42.53 | BaDiN | do superkill, it should restart |
| 19:43.52 | ElectricElf | *grunt* |
| 19:43.56 | ElectricElf | Well, '/gameover' didn't work. :) |
| 19:44.01 | BaDiN | lol |
| 19:46.07 | scanline | yikes |
| 19:46.28 | captain_proton | eek |
| 19:47.00 | ElectricElf | Yeah. |
| 19:47.03 | ElectricElf | Right then. |
| 19:48.37 | bryjen | ~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org |
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| 19:52.41 | JBDiGriz | Has anyone done any testing regarding tank and shot sizes? We were just trying to determine the size of tanks by shooting each other standing still, and we were surprised by the hits. |
| 19:54.04 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: tank hits are done by a "radius" thats halfway between the thin and thick directions |
| 19:54.21 | JBDiGriz | What's the relation to the displayed tank? |
| 19:54.50 | captain_proton | so you'll be able to kill a tank by shooting just to the left or right of it if its facing towards you, but if its sideways, you won't hit it if you shoot right at the edges |
| 19:55.12 | learner | eww |
| 19:55.29 | JBDiGriz | We'll have to try that test, we were shooting facing towards each other so we could determine the placement of the shots visually. |
| 19:56.28 | JBDiGriz | I thought the collision detection had tanks as rectangles rather than circles though, especially for thin and narrow flags. |
| 19:58.44 | learner | cap, what's the reasoning for that? the math to detect rpp/box and sphere intersections are not that dissimilar. perhaps a carryover from the original version? |
| 19:59.12 | captain_proton | intersecting with a sphere is much easier and crs is lazy? :) |
| 19:59.39 | learner | I'll buy the latter. :) |
| 19:59.54 | learner | they're both pretty easy |
| 20:00.21 | JBDiGriz | Thanks! It sounds like something else for the wipi. |
| 20:00.33 | learner | and BUGS |
| 20:05.16 | david_v | ~seen sussi |
| 20:05.16 | | sussi <Ralf@217-68-182-166.cable.primacom.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 26d 8h 17m 58s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 20:05.19 | david_v | ~seen legolas |
| 20:05.19 | | legolas <Legolas@adsl-68-78-105-229.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 2h 38m 40s ago, saying: 'brb'. |
| 20:08.14 | ElectricElf | Oh yay. xmission is back. |
| 20:11.58 | ElectricElf | Still with the broken flag. |
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| 21:19.34 | BaDiN | hi again |
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| 21:31.23 | heinola | got a question |
| 21:31.39 | heinola | what the best way to go from 1.7g0 |
| 21:31.46 | heinola | to g2 |
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| 21:32.36 | larsl | Go to? |
| 21:33.19 | learner | download g2 and install it.. :) |
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| 21:47.53 | larsl | Time to sleep. |
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| 21:57.21 | BZSpiff | Hey all. :-) |
| 21:57.43 | bzgirl | hello |
| 21:57.48 | learner | hello |
| 21:57.55 | BZSpiff | brb |
| 21:58.47 | fiberchunks_ | ola, que pasa, wie gehts, whaz happenin, aloha, allo, etc etc |
| 21:58.53 | fiberchunks_ | ;) |
| 21:59.57 | BZSpiff | Back. |
| 22:00.10 | ElectricElf | Hey bzgirl |
| 22:01.09 | ElectricElf | bzgirl: How's the air conditioning? :) |
| 22:01.23 | bzgirl | EE its been on all week :) |
| 22:01.42 | ElectricElf | bzgirl: Bad girl :) |
| 22:01.47 | learner | you need air conditioning up there? |
| 22:02.26 | ElectricElf | learner: We're South of New York, you know. :) |
| 22:02.37 | learner | pfft! |
| 22:02.39 | bzgirl | ElectricElf: dont bother, not worth explaining it :) |
| 22:02.49 | learner | that's called pensylvania :) |
| 22:03.00 | ElectricElf | bzgirl: Yeah :) |
| 22:03.07 | ElectricElf | bzgirl: This was the wall I ran into, yep ;) |
| 22:03.42 | bzgirl | ElectricElf: let them live in their little USA_centric bubble of illusion |
| 22:04.17 | learner | silly 51st state people |
| 22:04.25 | ElectricElf | bzgirl: I'm gonna report you to some Hydro engineers for running your AC all week ;) |
| 22:04.30 | ElectricElf | bzgirl: They'll visit you with baseball bats to make it more energy-efficient :) |
| 22:04.47 | ElectricElf | learner: Er, aren't there 52 or 53 US states? |
| 22:04.56 | learner | yea, something like that :) |
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| 22:05.30 | learner | no se puede olvidar puerto rico |
| 22:05.33 | ElectricElf | Ah :) |
| 22:05.50 | learner | y las islas |
| 22:07.39 | bryjen | ~weather kowb |
| 22:07.42 | Chikorita | mi amor y amiga y teamie L |
| 22:07.55 | learner | lol |
| 22:08.08 | BZSpiff | Hiyaz Chik. :-) |
| 22:08.12 | learner | no soy tu amiga, quizas tu amigo.. :) |
| 22:08.33 | Chikorita | hi Spiffy :) |
| 22:10.42 | Chikorita | oops i mean amigo :P |
| 22:11.03 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 22:11.09 | learner | :D |
| 22:14.37 | Chikorita | brb |
| 22:14.39 | niksie | bzflag source is lots of fun |
| 22:14.47 | niksie | too bad it doesn't have too many comments |
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| 22:20.28 | learner | eddie, question for you |
| 22:20.49 | learner | did you use a second remote client to debug on the mac? |
| 22:21.05 | learner | or compile and pray with printf's :) |
| 22:22.42 | niksie | is it possible to use bzflag on macosx in a window |
| 22:23.00 | learner | not yet, niksie -- working on it |
| 22:23.09 | niksie | cool |
| 22:25.12 | niksie | heh |
| 22:25.32 | niksie | whats new in CVS since the bunny hunt thing? |
| 22:38.58 | BZSpiff | Time to go for a ride. C-ya later all. :-) |
| 22:40.12 | scanline | niksie: lots of protocol changes, more BZDB-fu, I think some bzfs enhancements |
| 22:40.19 | learner | cya spiff |
| 22:40.33 | captain_proton | BU also |
| 22:40.42 | scanline | ah yes |
| 22:40.47 | niksie | scanline: BZDB-fu? |
| 22:40.50 | niksie | BU |
| 22:40.51 | niksie | ? |
| 22:41.22 | Chikorita | ooH which Garbage song r u listenin 2 L? |
| 22:43.13 | learner | no more garbage now.. now it's some sort of soothing trannce |
| 22:43.34 | Chikorita | heh |
| 22:43.41 | bryjen | hmm... careful using fu in an acronym |
| 22:43.53 | Chikorita | im listenin 2 sum Filter |
| 22:44.00 | learner | bah-fu |
| 22:44.27 | bryjen | unless you think its really f'ed u |
| 22:44.43 | niksie | has there been any mention of the r-word recently? |
| 22:45.03 | bryjen | r? |
| 22:45.03 | scanline | rimmer? |
| 22:45.14 | captain_proton | requisition? |
| 22:45.20 | bryjen | release ? |
| 22:45.23 | captain_proton | ...replublican? |
| 22:45.27 | scanline | Nobody expects the spanish requisition! |
| 22:45.27 | captain_proton | err |
| 22:45.29 | captain_proton | republican |
| 22:45.37 | Chikorita | lol scan |
| 22:45.40 | bryjen | scanline: LOL |
| 22:46.03 | Chikorita | *jumps out from behind da corner* |
| 22:46.05 | Chikorita | :D |
| 22:46.28 | bryjen | ?quantos quieres? |
| 22:46.39 | learner | dos mil por favor |
| 22:46.42 | niksie | release :) |
| 22:47.06 | learner | niksie said it -- let's release |
| 22:47.52 | bryjen | as long as nobody starts singing |
| 22:48.18 | niksie | "join us hackers and share the software" |
| 22:50.01 | niksie | heheh |
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| 22:55.58 | JBDiGriz | who runs on windows? |
| 22:56.08 | scanline | lots of people |
| 22:56.14 | bryjen | s/on/from |
| 22:56.18 | JBDiGriz | i just need one right now |
| 22:56.18 | scanline | =) |
| 22:56.35 | JBDiGriz | i want to experiment |
| 22:57.05 | JBDiGriz | already checked that one |
| 22:57.22 | niksie | you are making me curious :) |
| 22:57.45 | JBDiGriz | you can come along as well, i just need a windows person |
| 22:58.05 | niksie | where are the cockroaches when you need them :) |
| 22:58.27 | JBDiGriz | they're afraid to admit it! |
| 22:58.41 | bryjen | whoops |
| 22:58.42 | bryjen | cc1plus: warnings being treated as errors |
| 22:58.44 | bryjen | bzfs.cxx: In member function `virtual void CustomWorld::write(WorldInfo*) |
| 22:58.45 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.47 | bryjen | bzfs.cxx:826: warning: double format, different type arg (arg 4) |
| 22:58.57 | JBDiGriz | niksie: you could just ask! ;-P |
| 22:59.05 | niksie | heh, yeah |
| 22:59.13 | niksie | but /ctcp'ing is funner :) |
| 22:59.31 | JBDiGriz | nosy europeans! |
| 23:00.06 | niksie | annoying americans! |
| 23:00.13 | niksie | :) |
| 23:00.24 | JBDiGriz | ok, who has a windows machine they can run tests on? |
| 23:00.40 | Chikorita | umm |
| 23:00.57 | scanline | I have windows inside VMWare.. but it doesn't do 3D acceleration |
| 23:01.48 | JBDiGriz | i'm curious about the timers and fp calculations |
| 23:04.13 | Chikorita | :) |
| 23:04.13 | bryjen | hmm fHeight |
| 23:05.10 | JBDiGriz | and we'll be over on bryjen's server |
| 23:05.25 | Chikorita | k brb going 2 testing... |
| 23:05.25 | niksie | err, CVS or the latest release? |
| 23:06.38 | niksie | blah |
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| 23:07.50 | Chikorita | hmm wont let mee in |
| 23:08.25 | bryjen | Oh, fHieght is flagheight |
| 23:08.29 | Chikorita | cant get into bryjens or brlcad server |
| 23:09.02 | Chikorita | o wel |
| 23:09.04 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 23:09.08 | learner | chika, what did it tell you? |
| 23:09.18 | learner | brlcad.org, that is |
| 23:09.42 | Chikorita | it didnt say anyting it jus crashed |
| 23:09.48 | Chikorita | hmm lemme try again |
| 23:09.51 | Chikorita | brb |
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| 23:10.44 | learner | hrm, that's odd |
| 23:10.57 | learner | don't know why she'd get kicked unless that's an old client |
| 23:11.26 | learner | jb, do you have a current 1.9 to test connecting to brlcad.org? |
| 23:11.30 | JBDiGriz | I couldn't connect to brlcad, and I can't find chik at bryjen |
| 23:11.43 | learner | chika said she couldn't join either server |
| 23:11.45 | JBDiGriz | It should be current as of a couple of days ago |
| 23:12.02 | learner | heh, a couple days ago? |
| 23:12.10 | learner | think you'll have to update :) |
| 23:12.17 | JBDiGriz | Probably thursday |
| 23:12.33 | learner | mac's been working on the protocol |
| 23:13.09 | JBDiGriz | updating! |
| 23:13.23 | JBDiGriz | I can connect to bryjen's server ;-P |
| 23:13.37 | learner | bryjen, when's your build from? |
| 23:13.39 | bryjen | i think the current snapshot is b0rken |
| 23:14.06 | learner | mine is current cvs (which may indeed be the problem) |
| 23:14.32 | JBDiGriz | building! |
| 23:14.40 | learner | ok! |
| 23:16.13 | bryjen | eh. they're warning. i'll try w/o debug |
| 23:16.49 | JBDiGriz | connecting! |
| 23:17.33 | learner | looks like you made it in okay now.. |
| 23:17.54 | JBDiGriz | That seemed to work, but I still need to find chik! |
| 23:19.18 | JBDiGriz | Current cvs doesn't connect to bryjen's server |
| 23:20.35 | [dmp] | ~d |
| 23:20.49 | JBDiGriz | There she is! |
| 23:20.49 | [dmp] | tada |
| 23:20.51 | [dmp] | :) |
| 23:21.28 | learner | hehe, she snuck away from ya :) |
| 23:22.00 | JBDiGriz | That was funny, I connected and she disconnected! :-) |
| 23:22.07 | JBDiGriz | ~d |
| 23:22.17 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 23:22.33 | learner | heh, she's good |
| 23:24.00 | bryjen | heh. it builds without --enable-debug. some warnings lurking around |
| 23:24.22 | [dmp] | 7 channels, and i didnt say anything for 24hours. Except directly to ibot and pm. |
| 23:24.29 | [dmp] | Waste of bandwidth. |
| 23:24.38 | [dmp] | GOod i got flatrate :) |
| 23:25.39 | bryjen | or if you're being billed by the byte. connect time would get ya |
| 23:28.38 | JBDiGriz | chik successfully connected to xmission 1.9 and then disappeared again! She's slippery! :-) |
| 23:28.38 | bryjen | foowish sam-uh-why! |
| 23:28.57 | JBDiGriz | ~d |
| 23:29.35 | JBDiGriz | learner: Get several bars of soap, and wash out that mind of yours! |
| 23:32.20 | learner | Oh, I have the soap, I'm just waiting for the company |
| 23:32.27 | learner | the right company, that is ;) |
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| 23:33.27 | JBDiGriz | Here's someone with windows! Patlabor221, would you care to try a couple of experiments? |
| 23:33.39 | Patlabor221 | I can try |
| 23:34.10 | JBDiGriz | I wanted to connect to a server simultaneously with someone who has the windows client, and try some things |
| 23:34.27 | Patlabor221 | with 1.9? |
| 23:34.28 | JBDiGriz | Do you have a current 1.9? We can connect to brlcad |
| 23:34.38 | Patlabor221 | let me get it |
| 23:34.43 | JBDiGriz | Preferably, but we could get some info from 1.7 |
| 23:34.59 | Patlabor221 | building now |
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| 23:38.03 | Patlabor221 | ok runing now |
| 23:38.13 | JBDiGriz | i'll connect |
| 23:41.35 | JBDiGriz | dang keyboard isn't working! |
| 23:42.21 | learner | jb: i've seen that -- seems to happen when there is more than one player |
| 23:42.48 | JBDiGriz | but it makes it impossible to tell him what to test! |
| 23:43.05 | Patlabor221 | so type it here |
| 23:43.30 | JBDiGriz | thanks! i wanted to line up side by side and shoot as quickly as possible to check the reload timers |
| 23:43.45 | JBDiGriz | i also wanted to size the tank from visible shots |
| 23:43.46 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 23:43.50 | Patlabor221 | come on it |
| 23:43.53 | Patlabor221 | in even |
| 23:44.06 | JBDiGriz | you shoot me to the left, right when i'mfacing forward and sideways |
| 23:44.12 | JBDiGriz | then i do the same to you |
| 23:46.26 | Patlabor221 | ohh I wasn't gonna shoot ya |
| 23:48.21 | Patlabor221 | the timer seems inconsistent |
| 23:49.15 | JBDiGriz | looks pretty good on tank size, although i wanted to try sideways |
| 23:49.31 | JBDiGriz | the timer was funny but i'm not quite sure what we were seeing |
| 23:49.33 | Patlabor221 | like perpendicular? |
| 23:49.39 | JBDiGriz | yeah |
| 23:49.48 | JBDiGriz | like when i turned sideways |
| 23:50.57 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 23:51.02 | Patlabor221 | i'll go in again |
| 23:53.37 | JBDiGriz | the tank size looks about right as well. |
| 23:54.01 | Patlabor221 | did you change stuff? |
| 23:54.18 | bryjen | shot go thru the barrel, the one that finally gets ya does look barely in front of the chassis |
| 23:54.30 | bryjen | but close enough (tm) |
| 23:54.50 | JBDiGriz | no, but i was talking to capn earlier about the checking, and he was telling us it's a spherical check rather than a box check |
| 23:55.14 | JBDiGriz | i wanted to verify the calcs on a couple of different os's before looking into it |
| 23:55.39 | JBDiGriz | tip of barrel is no hit, down the barrel was a hit, closer to the body |
| 23:57.04 | JBDiGriz | stomping on burrowing tanks is definitely fun though! ;-) |
| 23:57.17 | bryjen | how close to square is the body XY |
| 23:57.57 | JBDiGriz | According to cap'n the calculation is for a sphere, not a square or rectangle. |
| 23:58.17 | JBDiGriz | I'm going to verify that, since I'm not sure how thin/narrow tanks would be done |
| 23:58.47 | bryjen | a square would fill the circle more than a rectangle |
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