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| 02:09.46 | Spiff | Hey all. :-) |
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| 02:28.48 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): vc issues |
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| 02:35.41 | Spiff | Err... channel. |
| 02:35.51 | Patlabor221 | why it's not undernet or anything |
| 02:42.54 | Spiff | Ohh.. I dunno. I could bring some girl friends... and a lot of Pepsi.. some pizza.... |
| 02:42.55 | Spiff | LoL |
| 02:44.16 | Patlabor221 | pizza goes with beer |
| 02:44.26 | Spiff | Not for me it doesn't. :P |
| 02:45.29 | Patlabor221 | actualy it still does goe with beer, you just don't go with beer |
| 02:46.05 | Spiff | Pretty much. But it's me.. and some other people. :) |
| 02:46.18 | Patlabor221 | as is there choice |
| 02:46.37 | Patlabor221 | still dosn't change the nature of beer and it's relationship to pizza, and girlfriends |
| 02:46.42 | Spiff | Ahh.... |
| 02:46.45 | Spiff | Any ducati admins here? |
| 02:47.16 | Spiff | There's an "avid teamkiller" on there according to Cataphract. |
| 02:51.03 | Spiff | Well.. Spiffy's out for a bit. |
| 02:51.13 | Spiff | C-ya later all. :-D |
| 02:51.38 | Patlabor221 | "let mortal combat begin!" |
| 03:11.08 | learner | "M O R T A L C O M B A T ! ! !" |
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| 03:18.36 | learner | howdy dtr |
| 03:18.46 | DTRemenak | hello |
| 03:18.58 | learner | I had a question for you, but I don't remember what it was, so I'm not going to ask. |
| 03:19.18 | DTRemenak | lol...you can always leave a memo with memoserv |
| 03:19.39 | learner | yea, but that'd be too easy -- and one more thing to remember to boot ;) |
| 03:23.29 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (3 files): pondering.. nothing significant |
| 03:23.52 | DTRemenak | some commit message, that |
| 03:24.00 | learner | meh, maybe I'll remember tomorrow |
| 03:24.34 | learner | do you have a website? |
| 03:24.40 | learner | maybe it was related to a site |
| 03:24.58 | DTRemenak | mmm...not really, only bzfsgui.sf.net |
| 03:25.08 | learner | ah indeed that's it :) |
| 03:25.19 | learner | question was are you working on that? :) |
| 03:25.47 | DTRemenak | bzfsgui/win is quite worked on, works fine, currently SGI and I are working on a new installer |
| 03:26.19 | DTRemenak | bzfsgui/osx is kinda started, kyletron's doing most of the work on it, I haven't checked recently |
| 03:26.35 | DTRemenak | mostly I'm just making sure his Cocoa stuff still runs on GNUstep |
| 03:26.57 | DTRemenak | that way I don't have to do the extra work for a lin version |
| 03:26.59 | learner | oh really? cool |
| 03:27.15 | learner | I'd love to follow that trick ;) |
| 03:27.27 | DTRemenak | I have no idea how much he has done, last I checked (sev. weeks ago) it was like 10 lines of code |
| 03:27.44 | DTRemenak | If you wanna work on it, I'll add you to the project |
| 03:28.03 | DTRemenak | and tell kyle to actually commit every once in a while :) |
| 03:28.42 | learner | got any screenshots? |
| 03:28.49 | DTRemenak | of which? |
| 03:28.53 | learner | yes |
| 03:28.59 | DTRemenak | hmmm |
| 03:29.19 | DTRemenak | not on the page |
| 03:29.33 | DTRemenak | I did take some, once...wonder what happened to them :) |
| 03:29.49 | learner | i looked but couldn't find any |
| 03:30.00 | DTRemenak | The cocoa version wasn't really advanced along enough to take screenshots (again, last I checked) |
| 03:30.17 | learner | any plans on automating some sort of communication with the bzfs binary? |
| 03:30.49 | learner | or are all of the server options set static in bzfsgui as they are added/ |
| 03:31.03 | DTRemenak | well...only kinda. Right now, no, everything is commandline based, can't change once it's running |
| 03:31.06 | learner | s/\//\?/ ;) |
| 03:32.28 | DTRemenak | Since bzfsgui/win is in visual basic (ah, that was SOME mistake :) ), I haven't tried doing a bzadminish thing with it |
| 03:32.44 | learner | eep! |
| 03:32.58 | DTRemenak | but since the ns version is objective c it should be easier. |
| 03:33.07 | learner | indeed |
| 03:33.23 | learner | any thoughts on using libplatform for the gui'ing? |
| 03:33.29 | DTRemenak | I've considered trying to compile bzadmin as a DLL and link to it from VB, but that sounds like hours of work |
| 03:33.38 | DTRemenak | libwhat? |
| 03:33.42 | DTRemenak | never heard of it |
| 03:34.03 | learner | hehe, one of bzflag's libraries -- the one that know how to do platform specific things like open up a window |
| 03:34.24 | DTRemenak | oh...I haven't messed with client code hardly at all. Shows I guess :/ |
| 03:34.33 | learner | e.g. src/platform in the main tree |
| 03:34.41 | DTRemenak | From what I understood, most of it was pretty GL specific |
| 03:34.59 | DTRemenak | and part of the point of bzfsgui was to let non-gl capable computers easily run a server |
| 03:35.28 | learner | well, yea -- the whole interface is geared at, say, how to get a fullscreen mac window up with an opengl context to draw into |
| 03:35.36 | learner | ah, good to know |
| 03:35.47 | learner | so you're trying to keep it text/curses-based? |
| 03:36.08 | DTRemenak | learner: no, since it was win, I was just using API functions wrapped in VB |
| 03:36.38 | learner | what api? :) |
| 03:36.44 | DTRemenak | the windows one :) |
| 03:36.56 | DTRemenak | thus, the non-cross-platform-ness |
| 03:37.15 | learner | so it has a gui using mfc, etc et al |
| 03:37.53 | DTRemenak | no, MFC is a VC only thing...VB wraps things differently. Microsoft "Forms" nowadays, used to be just "the way VB does it" |
| 03:37.58 | learner | or vb objects, forms, |
| 03:38.04 | learner | ah, yes |
| 03:38.41 | learner | hrm.. sounds like a bit of goodness |
| 03:38.57 | DTRemenak | I see not much good about it :( |
| 03:39.02 | learner | any reason for not making it another project in the main tree or another cvs module like pybzflag? |
| 03:39.21 | DTRemenak | primarily the non-cross-platform-ness |
| 03:39.34 | DTRemenak | bzflag is currently very portable |
| 03:39.57 | learner | heh -- depends how you define "very" :) but I acknowledge your point |
| 03:40.08 | DTRemenak | both the win and NS versions of bzfsgui are pretty platform-limited |
| 03:40.23 | DTRemenak | especially since bzflag proper doesn't run on NeXT AFAIK :) |
| 03:40.40 | learner | hrm. an obj-c interface over a modded bzfs would be rather cool ;) |
| 03:41.25 | learner | yea, that's part of why I insinuated that getting it to work on NS and Cocoa was going to be a "trick" :) |
| 03:41.27 | DTRemenak | That is one other thing I thought about, when I was considering doing a major rewrite, was just hacking BZFS to use MFC |
| 03:42.13 | learner | eep! bedtime! |
| 03:42.18 | learner | g'night |
| 03:42.19 | DTRemenak | but I'm not sure how much of that hacking it could take before the source tree got REAL screwy |
| 03:42.36 | DTRemenak | 'night learner: btw, there is a #bzfsgui channel :) |
| 03:42.57 | DTRemenak | Kyletron hangs out there sometimes |
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| 03:57.36 | Spiff | What aim. ;-) |
| 03:59.35 | fiberchunks | spectacular, and yummy too |
| 04:02.03 | Spiff | Hehehe. Rock on man. :-) |
| 04:19.53 | Spiff | Time for bed. |
| 04:19.55 | Spiff | C-yaz. |
| 04:22.49 | MrApathyCream | it makes it much harder to snicker at learner's checkin |
| 04:24.15 | MrApathyCream | ah voting both, *snicker* |
| 04:35.59 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: do you know the status of maxlod? |
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| 04:40.34 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: do you know the status of maxlod? |
| 04:40.45 | MrApathyCream | well, i put it in proper to bzdb |
| 04:40.59 | MrApathyCream | defaulted to 32767 as specified by Chestal |
| 04:41.34 | MrApathyCream | :0 |
| 04:42.20 | captain_proton | :-o |
| 04:43.02 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton, it looks like learner put inline'd c++ funcs in the cxx file |
| 04:43.12 | MrApathyCream | this fails on vc, wouuld assume it fails other places, no? |
| 04:43.40 | MrApathyCream | VotingPool::isClosed() |
| 04:44.03 | captain_proton | inlines should go in the header |
| 04:44.13 | captain_proton | where did you put it in bzdb? |
| 04:44.41 | captain_proton | i don't see it in defaultDBItems |
| 04:45.14 | MrApathyCream | hmmmm |
| 04:45.17 | MrApathyCream | did i not check it in? |
| 04:45.19 | MrApathyCream | checking |
| 04:46.08 | MrApathyCream | global.cxx:36 ? |
| 04:46.38 | captain_proton | aha, there it is |
| 04:47.15 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (2 files): inline funcs go in the .h file |
| 04:48.01 | MrApathyCream | Open curly of method gets its own line, no? |
| 04:51.21 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (VotingPoll.cxx): TOOTBZS-ize VotingBooth |
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| 05:18.29 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: yeah |
| 05:18.37 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i've told him about 1928375 to read DEVINFO, but he never does |
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| 07:37.16 | MrApathyCream | cap you there? |
| 07:39.01 | captain_proton | yep |
| 07:40.33 | MrApathyCream | i'd like to see what you're take on roger is these days, if you're interested |
| 07:40.47 | MrApathyCream | obviously you'll smear him, but still.... :) |
| 07:41.04 | captain_proton | can't now |
| 07:41.07 | captain_proton | no bandwidth |
| 07:41.11 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 07:41.15 | captain_proton | i should be able to on the 10th |
| 07:41.43 | MrApathyCream | school starts 9/10? |
| 07:41.54 | captain_proton | no, school has started |
| 07:41.59 | captain_proton | first dsl line goes in 9/10 |
| 07:42.18 | captain_proton | 56k is ok, but not when shared among 9 machines |
| 07:42.32 | captain_proton | rather 9 people |
| 07:42.37 | captain_proton | probably more like 14 machines |
| 07:42.51 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Roger no longer has tunnel vision |
| 07:42.52 | MrApathyCream | mm |
| 07:43.49 | MrApathyCream | i'd love for someone with bandwidth to have roger play against 10 robots :) |
| 07:43.54 | captain_proton | well, i have to get up in 5:20, so i think i'll hit the sack |
| 07:44.01 | MrApathyCream | otay |
| 07:44.13 | captain_proton | you could run a server locally and tell us the results :) |
| 07:44.27 | MrApathyCream | win32 can't do that for somereason... [nr]s problem |
| 07:44.36 | captain_proton | bleah |
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| 07:44.52 | captain_proton | how long has that bug been around? 8 yrs? |
| 07:45.19 | captain_proton | oh well |
| 07:45.21 | captain_proton | 'night mac |
| 07:45.26 | MrApathyCream | cyja |
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| 11:21.49 | learner | pfft! read it half-dozen times |
| 11:22.08 | learner | doesn't mean I'll remember anything once I get back into emacs |
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| 11:48.21 | Chikorita | :) |
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| 11:53.25 | Chikorita | g'morning BZ peeple |
| 11:53.28 | Chikorita | :D |
| 11:53.34 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 11:53.45 | Chikorita | hi ibot |
| 11:53.55 | Chikorita | how iz mah favorite bot taday? |
| 11:54.06 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack |
| 11:54.06 | | :), Chikorita |
| 11:54.14 | Chikorita | :) |
| 11:54.41 | learner | :D |
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| 11:57.12 | learner | ! |
| 11:57.14 | learner | hehe, oops -- wrong channel :) |
| 11:57.43 | Chikorita | lol L |
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| 12:12.00 | Chikorita | where r all da peepz?! |
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| 12:33.40 | drinian | ibot: bzflist |
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| 14:31.19 | Chikorita | ~d |
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| 14:52.17 | Chestal | hi Tim |
| 14:56.15 | chameleon | Chestal: are you "chester" on the invisibles ranking? |
| 15:00.30 | Chestal | chamaleon: no, either Chestal or bzflag |
| 15:00.48 | Chestal | I used bzflag lately because we worked together here |
| 15:01.00 | Chestal | the fixed bots make fur fun practice in rabbit mode |
| 15:01.08 | chameleon | heh |
| 15:01.35 | Chestal | I got 1, 5 and 6 now |
| 15:01.39 | bryjen | bzfs.cxx: In function `int main(int, char**)': |
| 15:01.41 | bryjen | bzfs.cxx:5475: warning: `VotingPoll*votingpoll' might be used uninitialized in |
| 15:01.43 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.08 | chameleon | oh, filmwise now comes up as the first hit when searching google for 'invisbles' |
| 15:02.13 | chameleon | used to be 3/4th |
| 15:02.24 | chameleon | bryjen: I'll fix that |
| 15:02.54 | Chestal | bryjen: hmm, I don't get that warning |
| 15:03.17 | chameleon | neither did i, but the warning is valid |
| 15:03.21 | Chestal | hmm, I try to remember who pointed me at the invisibles |
| 15:03.59 | Chestal | is voting already usable? |
| 15:04.15 | chameleon | or perhaps our compilers noted that the same if clause that sets the var is the same clause used to test the var |
| 15:04.45 | Chestal | I'm compiling in debug mide. I coudl imagine that the optmizer will trigger some further warnings |
| 15:05.27 | bryjen | I'm not using debug as it had b0rken bzflag -window for me |
| 15:05.43 | chameleon | chestal -- you can request a vote and vote, but no actions yet -- so no, not yet |
| 15:06.04 | chameleon | Haven't gotten those few hours i need just yet |
| 15:06.22 | bryjen | Ah, only the appearance for democracy. Just to keep the peons happy ;) |
| 15:07.02 | Chestal | bryjen: yeah that -window thing is strange. I made some changes to the code to try to find the cause but failed. When I was then trying to continue my debugging, something else changed, so I cannot trigger the bug anymore |
| 15:08.45 | chameleon | woah |
| 15:08.45 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): potentially uninitialized votingpoll var is initialized |
| 15:08.47 | chameleon | "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" |
| 15:09.06 | chameleon | odd sf ssh burp |
| 15:12.31 | chameleon | my headache design issue with the voting poll is where the logic for the actual kick/ban should go |
| 15:13.14 | chameleon | should that be in the main loop where the poll is updated and checked, or should the poll itself do the kick/ban since it controls the timers, voter lists, and everything else |
| 15:14.46 | chameleon | I pondered creating a Kick and Ban class that you could feed users to that would encapsulate the actual kick/ban logic (perhaps subclasses of a Disconnect class) |
| 15:18.39 | Chestal | I haven't looked at your vote classes at all yet, but it wouldn't feel right for the vote class to do kicking I think. But as I said, this depends on how you do the other interactions already |
| 15:20.44 | chameleon | that's my thinking as well, though it's too much code to be put into a main run loop |
| 15:21.31 | chameleon | right now there are basically two classes -- a "VotingBooth" that maintains a simple list of who has voted and what they are voting on |
| 15:21.47 | chameleon | VotingBooth is a generic class |
| 15:22.38 | chameleon | then there is VotingPoll that is supposed to be bzfs specific that controls voting frequency, repeat vote rates, etc |
| 15:23.28 | chameleon | It's more of a 'VotingArbiter' -- whereas kick/banability might be better placed |
| 15:23.50 | chameleon | I'm open to suggestions |
| 15:31.41 | Chestal | so VotingPoll does not know the vote topic? |
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| 15:33.08 | chameleon | no, it does know the topic |
| 15:33.59 | chameleon | votingbooth doesn't realy know the topic other than storing it as a generic label |
| 15:34.14 | Chestal | ah |
| 15:35.44 | Chestal | well, bzfs still is basically one big loop (and file), so you could just do it the same way :-) Of course you coudl also think further about it and start to do things the right way. I'm too lazy to think about it for now :-) |
| 15:37.43 | chameleon | I've been "trying" to morph things into the latter ever so slowly ;) Especially with new code (although I broke this rule with the voting commands..) |
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| 15:53.40 | larsl | Is there a way to make all flag abbrevations appear in the same colour as the player name in the score list? |
| 15:54.01 | larsl | When some are white instead, they are very hard to see against the cloud background. |
| 15:58.02 | chameleon | did he actually expect an answer?? |
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| 16:27.11 | Chestal | hi JBD. I got #1 |
| 16:27.30 | JBDiGriz | Not surprising, did you get #3 as well? |
| 16:27.47 | Chestal | nope |
| 16:27.54 | Chikorita | heh da movie game again |
| 16:28.30 | JBDiGriz | I'm without web access right now, due to incompetent IT, but I can give some hints on the movie, even without imdb. |
| 16:30.03 | Chestal | if you give _useful_ hints, I'm all for it :-) |
| 16:30.28 | JBDiGriz | I can give some obvious hints, if that's what you mean by useful. ;-) |
| 16:30.32 | captain_proton | where's the link to the movie thing? |
| 16:30.40 | Chestal | ~invisibles |
| 16:30.58 | JBDiGriz | ibot: botsnack |
| 16:30.58 | | JBDiGriz: :) |
| 16:31.18 | JBDiGriz | she's around, but acting finicky |
| 16:31.19 | Chestal | ibot: invisibles is at http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/index.shtml |
| 16:31.20 | | okay, Chestal |
| 16:31.48 | captain_proton | which ones do you guys have so far? |
| 16:32.24 | Chestal | 1, 5, 6 here and JBD also knows 3 |
| 16:34.30 | Chestal | pat: hint? |
| 16:34.54 | patlabor221 | steve martin was in it |
| 16:35.17 | patlabor221 | and somone you would not think he would normaly be in a movie with |
| 16:35.21 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 16:35.38 | Chestal | pat: ok, got it. Couldn't have known it, haven't watched it |
| 16:35.50 | Chestal | 4 looks familiar, but I cannot make anything of it |
| 16:35.50 | patlabor221 | my friend here had |
| 16:36.01 | Chestal | captain_proton: you can just try and enter the title and submit |
| 16:36.04 | patlabor221 | he also thinks he knows #8 but he's resarching the name |
| 16:36.08 | captain_proton | rockets? |
| 16:36.19 | Chikorita | numba 5 iz da movie "solaris" yes? |
| 16:36.27 | Chestal | chiko: yes |
| 16:37.14 | Chestal | rockets? |
| 16:37.14 | JBDiGriz | I'll have to note these hints and check them out when I get back to the web. |
| 16:37.29 | patlabor221 | why is the guy in #6 riding a motorcycle wiht no shirt? |
| 16:37.38 | Chestal | JBD: give a hint on 3 |
| 16:37.39 | captain_proton | ok, #4 is certain :) |
| 16:38.02 | Chikorita | i tink i kno 4 too |
| 16:38.03 | Chestal | patlabor: because he had to get to a place really fast, I don't remember the details |
| 16:38.11 | JBDiGriz | silly hint or obvious hint, or plot type hint? |
| 16:38.21 | patlabor221 | yup we got #8 |
| 16:38.27 | Chestal | JBD: hmm, silly, then plot, then obvious |
| 16:38.35 | Chestal | I want hints for 4 |
| 16:38.45 | Chestal | the guy in 6 is almost naked |
| 16:38.47 | captain_proton | Chestal: rockets |
| 16:38.48 | patlabor221 | #8 is edward norton |
| 16:38.51 | Chestal | and he is not a young guy |
| 16:38.55 | JBDiGriz | silly hint is atchoo ;-) |
| 16:39.25 | Chestal | "rockets", hmmm |
| 16:41.05 | Chestal | JBD: next hint :-) |
| 16:41.10 | Chikorita | iz numba 8 umm ..Primal Fear? |
| 16:41.23 | JBDiGriz | plot is about early 20th century barnstorming |
| 16:41.59 | Chestal | ~dict barnstorming |
| 16:42.08 | Chikorita | o i kno it now LoL |
| 16:42.33 | JBDiGriz | The early flyers in the biplanes went around the country performing tricks. It was known as barnstorming. |
| 16:43.06 | JBDiGriz | chika: did you like the silly hint? |
| 16:43.13 | Chikorita | lol ya |
| 16:43.19 | Chikorita | u r torturing him lol |
| 16:43.28 | Chestal | haven't seen primal fear, ok |
| 16:43.35 | Chestal | I am not sure I have seen #3 |
| 16:44.36 | JBDiGriz | It was a movie I saw when it came out, but it's from 1975 and I haven't seen much of it since then. The star is the obvious hint as he is extremely well known. |
| 16:45.10 | Chestal | I got it now |
| 16:45.12 | Chestal | but never heard of it |
| 16:46.12 | JBDiGriz | That's Great ;-) |
| 16:46.28 | Chestal | imdb is my friend :) |
| 16:46.28 | Chikorita | so which 1's do u kno so far? |
| 16:46.46 | Chestal | all except 4 and 7. proton knows 4 and gave the hint 'rockets' |
| 16:46.53 | Chikorita | or do u have all of dem? |
| 16:47.00 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 16:47.17 | Chikorita | heehe i kno #4 |
| 16:49.35 | Chikorita | numba 4 iz a crime movie |
| 16:49.51 | captain_proton | crime movie?? |
| 16:51.38 | Chikorita | oops |
| 16:51.41 | Chikorita | :x |
| 16:51.50 | Chikorita | nm heehe |
| 16:52.03 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 16:52.25 | Chikorita | bbl |
| 16:53.54 | Chestal | proton: need further hint I fear |
| 16:54.02 | captain_proton | hmmm |
| 16:54.08 | captain_proton | "calculus" :) |
| 16:54.19 | captain_proton | or rather... |
| 16:54.22 | captain_proton | "trigonometry" |
| 16:54.27 | JBDiGriz | It's hard to give good hints without giving it away. |
| 16:54.38 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 16:55.47 | Chestal | from which decade? |
| 16:55.49 | JBDiGriz | Usually after a couple of hints, it's clear that I haven't seen the movie. |
| 16:57.32 | captain_proton | late 90s |
| 16:58.39 | Chestal | while I continue pondering on 4, anybody have a clue for 7? I don't think I've seen that one |
| 17:00.38 | patlabor221 | I think I've seen parts of the moive cap is describing, but I can't recall the name. |
| 17:00.57 | patlabor221 | it's about students and rocetry right? |
| 17:01.11 | captain_proton | could be :) |
| 17:02.37 | Chestal | doesn't ring a bell here |
| 17:05.02 | Chestal | so, for a change: anyone needs a hint for 6? |
| 17:06.18 | Chestal | then #4 must be a geek movie :-) |
| 17:06.25 | captain_proton | yup :) |
| 17:14.59 | Chestal | proton: I give up on 4 |
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| 17:23.21 | Merry | hi |
| 17:29.40 | chameleon | hi, merry! |
| 17:29.46 | Merry | who are you? |
| 17:30.02 | chameleon | I'm a friend ;) |
| 17:30.06 | Merry | who? |
| 17:30.17 | chameleon | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.31 | Merry | I don't know you Do i? |
| 17:30.44 | chameleon | i think you do :) |
| 17:30.57 | chameleon | i certainly know you |
| 17:31.43 | chameleon | (on the bzflag field, of course) |
| 17:35.02 | fiberchunks | something october -- it's got the name of a month in there (regarding #4 |
| 17:35.10 | fiberchunks | october boys or something like that? |
| 17:35.15 | scanline | october sky? |
| 17:36.20 | KTL | he kicked me |
| 17:36.24 | KTL | i think == sinep |
| 17:36.36 | fiberchunks | october sky |
| 17:36.39 | fiberchunks | that's it |
| 17:38.24 | KTL | s/kicked/banned/ ==> killllll santa |
| 17:38.28 | chameleon | invisibles is harder this week |
| 17:39.24 | Merry | who are you? |
| 17:39.25 | Merry | sry |
| 17:39.32 | Merry | I was watching Strong Bad |
| 17:40.48 | Chestal | chame: # got all except for 7 |
| 17:41.14 | chameleon | wow, ches |
| 17:41.29 | Merry | bye |
| 17:41.59 | chameleon | what was #5 |
| 17:42.17 | chameleon | is it sci-fi? |
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| 17:44.40 | chameleon | ha ha I got 7 |
| 17:44.56 | chameleon | I remembered that sweater |
| 17:44.58 | Chestal | chameleon: yes, from 2002 |
| 17:45.01 | Chestal | ah? |
| 17:45.28 | chameleon | it's a comedy |
| 17:46.33 | Chestal | that was my guess |
| 17:46.47 | Chestal | which also means that I probably haven't seen it :-) |
| 17:46.59 | chameleon | gay fauker |
| 17:47.35 | Chestal | ehm? |
| 17:47.56 | chameleon | hehe, then you haven't seen it :) |
| 17:50.54 | chameleon | it's got the guy from there's something about mary |
| 17:51.15 | Chestal | I'm experimenting with changing the creaton of random worls for diffeernt world sizes |
| 17:51.20 | Chestal | anyone care to join 1.9 ducati? |
| 17:54.38 | Chestal | hurrah, invisibles is complete already |
| 17:54.41 | Chestal | too easy this time :-) |
| 17:55.25 | JBDiGriz | If I can get 2 of them from a glance, it's too easy ;-) |
| 17:55.28 | patlabor221 | we can't get 6 and 7\ |
| 17:56.17 | chameleon | 7 is from 2000, and the hints i just gave should get you really close ;) |
| 17:56.52 | Chestal | 6 is a non-US movie |
| 17:56.53 | patlabor221 | hints? |
| 17:58.08 | patlabor221 | got it |
| 17:58.36 | patlabor221 | well I see many non us movies, but they are mostly animated. |
| 17:58.43 | patlabor221 | or have kung-fu |
| 17:59.35 | Chestal | did you get 6 or 7? |
| 18:00.30 | Chestal | hmm, this one doesn't have kung-fu AFAIR |
| 18:00.48 | patlabor221 | gort 7 |
| 18:00.58 | patlabor221 | missing the motorcycle one |
| 18:00.58 | Chestal | but it got an almost naked old man riding his motorbike :-) |
| 18:00.58 | TimRiker | -solo Robot don't cheat. ??? what's up with that? |
| 18:02.20 | Chestal | TimRiker: no idea, ask Tupone |
| 18:02.34 | Chestal | the bots seem to play quite decently now |
| 18:04.53 | chameleon | much better than before |
| 18:30.31 | Chestal | anyone here for a test? |
| 18:32.01 | Chestal | hmm |
| 18:32.44 | chameleon | sry, not me |
| 18:33.15 | Chestal | well, maybe later |
| 18:33.58 | *** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 18:45.29 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas (~topgunp38@adsl-68-73-87-150.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 18:49.49 | Legolas | anyone here an admin on ducti? |
| 18:53.24 | chameleon | yea, the man himself is here |
| 18:59.28 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-133-217.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 19:00.35 | Carnage | tk on ducati any admins? |
| 19:00.44 | Carnage | callsign is tom |
| 19:09.30 | bryjen | ping Chestal |
| 19:09.34 | bryjen | test what? |
| 19:14.02 | Legolas | i know |
| 19:28.54 | Chestal | re |
| 19:29.25 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (~Chikumz33@205.197.172.21) |
| 19:29.32 | Chestal | bryjen: wanted to test different world sizes in 1.9, I changed the world creation code to no longer resize buildings, but to adust their number |
| 19:29.50 | bryjen | ah |
| 19:30.11 | Chestal | bryjen: if you can, please come to 1.9 ducati |
| 19:30.12 | Chikorita | how bout make map size limits bigga 2? |
| 19:30.18 | bryjen | Ok |
| 19:30.25 | Chikorita | so u can have big big maps |
| 19:30.36 | Chikorita | yes? |
| 19:30.38 | Chikorita | no? |
| 19:30.49 | Chestal | world size was fixed at 800 |
| 19:30.58 | Chikorita | ok |
| 19:31.02 | Chestal | not you can choose any size you want (well, extremes won't work too well) |
| 19:31.12 | Chikorita | kewl |
| 19:32.08 | Chikorita | yea i talk wif lottsa map makers an i always wish maps were bigger , wouldnt a supa size ducati map b awesum ? :D |
| 19:32.54 | Chikorita | then more players could play ctf at once , no waitin , an not b over-crowded |
| 19:33.09 | Chikorita | :d |
| 19:33.26 | Chikorita | oops |
| 19:33.28 | Chikorita | :D |
| 19:33.30 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 19:34.01 | Chikorita | an also dat would mean bigger ctf teams forming |
| 19:34.10 | Chikorita | too |
| 19:34.12 | Chikorita | :D |
| 19:34.27 | Chikorita | good idea yes? |
| 19:34.55 | Chikorita | carny r u there? BB iz lookin 4 u |
| 19:35.08 | Chikorita | learner? |
| 19:35.42 | Chikorita | chestal? |
| 19:35.50 | Chikorita | :( |
| 19:35.58 | Chestal | yes? |
| 19:36.30 | Chestal | bryjen: hmm, server crashed |
| 19:36.39 | Chikorita | so 1.9 wil have bigger map capabilty? |
| 19:36.45 | Chestal | bryjen: noticed anyhtign unusual before that? |
| 19:36.56 | Chestal | chiko: yes, and smaller, too |
| 19:37.03 | bryjen | you theif'ed my shockwave! |
| 19:37.04 | Chikorita | nkewl |
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| 19:37.20 | Chestal | bryjen: yes, aftet sveral tries, was surprised that it took so long |
| 19:37.28 | Chikorita | r u guyz playin? which server? |
| 19:37.28 | Chestal | bryjen: then I got the flag, used it and server crashed |
| 19:37.34 | bryjen | there was a delay between me losing the flag and it appearing on your tank |
| 19:37.35 | [dmp] | ~seen dabomb |
| 19:37.36 | | dabomb <~dalskdjal@215-bem-10.acn.waw.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 16d 7h 18m 21s ago, saying: 'lol. 5156 is up again'. |
| 19:37.38 | Chestal | well, not playing, testing |
| 19:38.04 | Chikorita | ~seen Mayhem |
| 19:38.04 | | mayhem <~Mayhem@dsl-217-155-141-174.zen.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 40d 3h 2m 16s ago, saying: 'Hi Chiko!'. |
| 19:38.13 | Chikorita | :( |
| 19:38.20 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 19:38.31 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 19:38.52 | Chestal | bryjen: try again? |
| 19:38.53 | bryjen | I'd also gotten kicked a bit earlier, un-burrow, tabbed to jump and went reeeealy high (you may have shot me) |
| 19:39.03 | bryjen | trying... |
| 19:39.21 | bryjen | Conn. Failed |
| 19:39.47 | bryjen | you're not on the list server either |
| 19:39.54 | Chestal | works now |
| 19:40.03 | bryjen | Yup |
| 19:42.19 | JBDiGriz | How effective is thief against gm? Jump up, have the gm launched against you, thief the flag, and then land below an obstacle again. |
| 19:47.54 | bryjen | hmm |
| 19:48.36 | bryjen | http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/ : Connection Refused. :( |
| 19:49.39 | bryjen | Woah. I joined and spawned waay outside the map. |
| 19:52.06 | chameleon | cheater :) |
| 19:54.26 | JBDiGriz | Will GM lose the lock if the flag is stolen? |
| 19:55.20 | bryjen | Its not my fault if Chestal shrank the world! |
| 19:55.49 | bryjen | JBDiGriz: it probably _should_ |
| 19:55.53 | chameleon | according to a half-related bug posting, the GM doesn't lose lock once it gets it, iirc |
| 19:56.22 | bryjen | if you kill the GM's launching player, the lock goes away |
| 19:56.42 | bryjen | does it go away on normal flag-drop ? |
| 19:56.46 | chameleon | what about if the launcher drops their flag? |
| 19:56.56 | chameleon | heh |
| 19:57.01 | bryjen | i donno |
| 19:57.24 | bryjen | not often that somebody drops GM before the kill |
| 19:57.46 | bryjen | 6mooooo |
| 19:58.02 | bryjen | ~seen purple_cow |
| 19:58.02 | | bryjen: i haven't seen 'purple_cow ' |
| 19:58.14 | bryjen | ~seen captain_proton |
| 19:58.14 | | bryjen: i haven't seen 'captain_proton ' |
| 19:58.26 | bryjen | really?! |
| 19:58.27 | chameleon | well, if it were a real GM, it would depend how it's guided -- if it's laser guided (which it does not behave like) then it "should" lose track if the shooter is no longer tracking |
| 19:58.51 | chameleon | but, if the gm is self-guided, they can be considered fire and forget, regardless of the shooter |
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| 19:58.53 | bryjen | it loses track on launcher's death. |
| 19:59.02 | bryjen | Semi-active radar? |
| 19:59.10 | chameleon | so it's some unrealistic funky mix of the two ;) |
| 20:00.05 | bryjen | homes in on radar reflections from target, radar souce is the launcher |
| 20:00.37 | bryjen | that along with the god-mode radar that passes thru buildings.... |
| 20:00.54 | chameleon | yes.. completely realistic :) |
| 20:01.24 | bryjen | meebee it uses x-rays instead of microwaves |
| 20:01.28 | chameleon | This is one of the few cases where more realism would probably be more fun |
| 20:01.31 | chameleon | and balanced |
| 20:02.13 | bryjen | to be consistent, it should probly lose lock on flag dropped/stolen |
| 20:02.25 | chameleon | especially if it required some sort of laser guidance (the shooter would have to maintain a lock until destruction) |
| 20:03.13 | chameleon | or maybe just a new kind of GM |
| 20:03.38 | bryjen | semiactive radar works that way too. lasers are better cause there are no stray emissions for someone to pick up and give away your presence |
| 20:03.58 | patlabor221 | motion sensors!! :) |
| 20:04.33 | bryjen | visual pattern recognition with a camera mounted in the nose of the missle. |
| 20:04.49 | patlabor221 | fly-by-licorice!!! |
| 20:04.58 | bryjen | but my tank looks an awful lot like yours...... hehe |
| 20:05.16 | patlabor221 | how bout just givin the thing limited ammo |
| 20:05.50 | bryjen | trying to spoil my camping trips? |
| 20:06.07 | patlabor221 | naw, noone ever listens to me, so don't worry |
| 20:06.31 | fiberchunks | #8 is that one nifty |
| 20:06.41 | Chestal | fiber: server crashed. YOu stoel my flag, right? |
| 20:06.46 | fiberchunks | yes |
| 20:07.01 | Chestal | happened before, so I guess there's a bug in server thief code |
| 20:07.11 | fiberchunks | what the hell did I just say? that's not what I meant -- I just meant nifty |
| 20:07.33 | JBDiGriz | high fiber? |
| 20:07.36 | fiberchunks | must be the hallucinogens ;) |
| 20:07.49 | fiberchunks | no, regretfully, but thanks for asking :) |
| 20:08.29 | bryjen | ~seen captain_proton |
| 20:08.29 | | captain_proton is currently on #picogui #bzflag. Has said a total of 40 messages. Is idling for 3h 2m 4s |
| 20:08.35 | fiberchunks | some nifty new sounds and flags -- I like the 'tanks on crack' play mode |
| 20:08.50 | bryjen | ~seen purple_cow |
| 20:08.51 | | purple_cow is currently on #picogui (1d 4h 28m 54s) #bzflag (1d 4h 28m 54s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 22h 57m 17s |
| 20:08.59 | captain_proton | bryjen: yesyesyesyes? |
| 20:09.21 | chameleon | maybe you need to say that in your purple cow voice :) |
| 20:09.26 | bryjen | http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ <-- Connection refused |
| 20:10.09 | captain_proton | try now |
| 20:10.25 | bryjen | yay for purple_cows! |
| 20:10.57 | bryjen | hmm. last snapshot is a bit old... |
| 20:12.44 | chameleon | so if radar-tracking is the methodology, shockwave should also disrupt or even distroy the GM |
| 20:13.18 | chameleon | and if the shooter changes tracking targets (or dies), as well :) |
| 20:13.44 | bryjen | Just say it works by FM. |
| 20:14.57 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): thief crashes bzfs sometimes |
| 20:15.11 | bryjen | it currently loses lock on the death of the shooter. I donno about if they drop the flag or if its stolen. To be consistent, it probably should lose it then too. |
| 20:15.13 | chameleon | eh? Nothing wrong with considering it radar-tracked |
| 20:15.23 | chameleon | yes, I agree |
| 20:15.47 | bryjen | chameleon: repeat after me: It's only a game. |
| 20:15.53 | chameleon | NO! |
| 20:16.45 | chameleon | actually, I'd think it'd be more fun, not to mention curtail a slight edge of power off the GM |
| 20:17.00 | bryjen | F**king Magic is a good enough explaination. Who cares _why_ it works ;) |
| 20:17.26 | chameleon | actually I do ;) |
| 20:17.49 | chameleon | otherwise there are issues in suspension of disbelief |
| 20:18.30 | bryjen | If you can believe tanks jump, magical missles can't be too far away :) |
| 20:18.46 | JBDiGriz | Oh no, you didn't say that .... |
| 20:18.49 | chameleon | hehehe |
| 20:18.56 | chameleon | Tanks can't jump :) |
| 20:19.05 | chameleon | that's the "other" bug ;) |
| 20:19.11 | bryjen | I don't care _how_ or _why_ they jump. They just do. |
| 20:19.40 | bryjen | JBDiGriz: throw me a line, I just stepped on a slippery slope! |
| 20:20.19 | bryjen | Just in time. |
| 20:21.27 | bryjen | Loverly. This is why I don't wear a tie ;) |
| 20:21.41 | JBDiGriz | Have you ever played on a jumping server against someone who refuses to jump, and beats you to a pulp anyway? |
| 20:22.08 | *** join/#bzflag Spiff (Spiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com) |
| 20:22.27 | bryjen | Not that I recall. |
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| 20:22.50 | larsl | Rejoiner on xmission, callsign "Fourmizzzzzzz". |
| 20:23.02 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): use getDirectMessageBuffer() _always_; fixed this for MsgTransferFlag, might fix bzfs thief crashing |
| 20:23.04 | JBDiGriz | We have to get the developers together on decks again. ;-) |
| 20:23.36 | bryjen | What goes up doesn't alway come down |
| 20:23.48 | Chestal | so, anyone who is keen on keeping the current sizing of buildings relative to worldsize? |
| 20:24.06 | JBDiGriz | I recall you complaining about coming down in rabbit hunt when I was around ;-) |
| 20:24.07 | chameleon | shouldn't they be independant? |
| 20:24.27 | Chestal | chameleon: well, random worlds must take worldsize into consideration |
| 20:24.38 | Spiff | Hey Chestal. Would ya mind entering yet another match for me? :-) |
| 20:24.43 | Chestal | and whoever did it, chose to change the size of elements |
| 20:24.43 | Spiff | TAF vs HoW. We won 6/4. |
| 20:24.45 | bryjen | JB: Pat's map isnt as vertical as decks |
| 20:24.52 | Chestal | SPiff: k |
| 20:25.16 | chameleon | ches: sure, but why resize the buildings? keep them relative to tank size -- just make more buildings to fill x% of space |
| 20:25.19 | bryjen | ooo new snapshot |
| 20:25.37 | JBDiGriz | bry: True, but I recall you calling me a vulture on pat's map. |
| 20:25.37 | Chestal | chameleon: yes, my new code now changes the number of buildings and keeps the usual size |
| 20:25.43 | bryjen | let the makery commence! |
| 20:26.18 | bryjen | Who, me? ;) |
| 20:26.20 | Chestal | just wante dto make sure that noone thinks the current solution is better |
| 20:26.41 | chameleon | Chestal: cool ;) |
| 20:27.21 | bryjen | If the feathers fit... |
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| 20:28.17 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): for random worlds, do not set size of buildings relative to world size, but change the number of elements instead |
| 20:29.06 | bryjen | Vulture isn't quite right tho. Need a more ground-based scavenger |
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| 20:30.45 | chameleon | crabs -- yummy scavengers |
| 20:30.55 | JBDiGriz | bit challenged individuals should be a little more careful. ♨ |
| 20:34.34 | fiberchunks | s/infinite/seemingly infinite |
| 20:34.36 | Spiff | What's wrong, fiber? :) |
| 20:34.41 | patlabor221 | HSF off the charts today? |
| 20:34.46 | chameleon | no fiber: it is infinite |
| 20:34.46 | fiberchunks | indeed patlabor221 |
| 20:35.39 | fiberchunks | I was just reading the local paper -- and a blind dude who was robbed 2ce before, shot and killed one guy who broke into his home, YET AGAIN (making it 3 times), and people are actually asking whether he had the right to shoot the guy that broke in |
| 20:35.48 | fiberchunks | I just can't believe that we have come to this |
| 20:36.26 | Spiff | Pffffffff. I feel the same, fiber. :( |
| 20:36.42 | JBDiGriz | People can ask whether he has the right. The answer is clearly yes. |
| 20:36.47 | fiberchunks | oh, I should clarify that last sentence: the criminal broke in to the house 3 times. It wasn't that the blind dude shot and killed someone 3 times ;) |
| 20:37.16 | patlabor221 | good aim on the blind guy |
| 20:37.27 | fiberchunks | JBDiGriz: the horrifying part of all that is, most people are saying he didn't, and we don't, have the right to defend our property or lives from robbery |
| 20:37.31 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 20:37.37 | fiberchunks | shotguns with large spreads do wonders |
| 20:37.44 | patlabor221 | that they do |
| 20:37.53 | patlabor221 | I think you should go rob all those people |
| 20:37.54 | JBDiGriz | I suspect "most" people aren't saying that. |
| 20:38.07 | fiberchunks | I would love to walk up to the family of the two criminals and laugh at them |
| 20:38.20 | patlabor221 | it's probably just the lawers saying it |
| 20:38.26 | fiberchunks | but I suppose that wouldn't be charitable of me |
| 20:38.35 | patlabor221 | they get payed byt the hour ya know, long arguments are good. |
| 20:38.36 | fiberchunks | no, sadly, it's the law that's saying it |
| 20:38.36 | Spiff | LoL |
| 20:38.46 | Chestal | well, I'd liek to hear more details before I make my judgement |
| 20:38.55 | JBDiGriz | Only half the lawyers, the other half is saying it was his duty. |
| 20:39.02 | chameleon | and the media always jumps on the rediculous these days just to make things more "interesting" to the common shmoe |
| 20:39.05 | fiberchunks | go to theday.com and look at the front page stories |
| 20:39.15 | bryjen | Killing as a defense is limited to when its the only option to save you own life. |
| 20:39.18 | fiberchunks | if you want to read the whole thing |
| 20:39.31 | Chestal | papers usually do not have details either |
| 20:39.44 | JBDiGriz | And therein is my story of the HSF. I can't go to theday.com or anywhere else because of the fantastic IT people around here. |
| 20:40.05 | fiberchunks | killing as a defense is perfectly acceptable if anyone invades my property without my consent. If I didn't invite you, and you don't make yourself known, be prepared to get shot. You obviously have no right being there. |
| 20:40.12 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 20:40.26 | Chestal | then be prepared for a life in jail |
| 20:41.42 | Chestal | but this is not the place for political debates me thinks |
| 20:41.47 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 20:41.54 | Chestal | and it would end in one |
| 20:42.10 | patlabor221 | it's a place for movie quotes !!! :) |
| 20:42.31 | fiberchunks | I would like to say this one thing though -- the entire act would never had occurred, had the 2 burglars not broken into that house in the first place |
| 20:42.49 | JBDiGriz | Phrase all of your debate in the form of movie quotes ;-) |
| 20:42.50 | Chestal | yep, burglars are bad, we all know that :-) |
| 20:42.59 | chameleon | "So... what would ya say ya DO here?" -- one of the "Bob"s :) |
| 20:43.09 | bryjen | Unless they were Robin Hood. |
| 20:43.12 | Chestal | hmm, any restrictons on the granularity of movie quotes used? :-) |
| 20:43.19 | patlabor221 | "I find your lack of faith, displeaseing" |
| 20:43.45 | patlabor221 | 5 words or more |
| 20:43.49 | fiberchunks | 'my name is enigo montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die' |
| 20:43.51 | JBDiGriz | Robin Hood was never a burglar, he was a highwayman. |
| 20:43.54 | Chikorita | lol fiba |
| 20:44.17 | patlabor221 | you forgot the first part "hallo..." |
| 20:44.32 | fiberchunks | poo, I always paraphrase wrong :\ |
| 20:44.42 | chameleon | "Ha! I was using my left hand too!" |
| 20:44.44 | patlabor221 | you can't parafrase a quote! |
| 20:44.57 | fiberchunks | but can you quote a paraphrase? |
| 20:45.16 | patlabor221 | "unless he has astudied agrripa.. like I have" |
| 20:45.30 | JBDiGriz | cham: That was from "Portnoy's Complaint" right? ;-) |
| 20:46.08 | fiberchunks | 'there's only one thing to do at a time like this ... roadtrip!' |
| 20:46.15 | chameleon | "An .. an.. de squirrels .. dey . .an dey were married" |
| 20:46.16 | Chestal | "Have you ever been struck by lightning? It hurts." |
| 20:46.34 | JBDiGriz | "FOOD FIGHT" |
| 20:46.41 | Chikorita | lol jaybee |
| 20:46.41 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 20:46.45 | Chikorita | animul house |
| 20:47.01 | fiberchunks | you couldn't throw me if you tried chameleon |
| 20:47.03 | fiberchunks | ;) |
| 20:47.14 | Chikorita | :x |
| 20:47.41 | chameleon | "Wabbits.. I'm huntin' wabbits" |
| 20:48.05 | fiberchunks | 'can I borrow your towel for a minute, my car just hit a water buffalo' |
| 20:48.11 | JBDiGriz | "Be vewy vewy quiet" |
| 20:48.41 | Chikorita | "are u asking meee to a challengeeeee!" |
| 20:48.48 | Chikorita | "yes sir ...yes sir i am" |
| 20:48.50 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 20:48.55 | patlabor221 | Double Duuukes!!! |
| 20:48.56 | Chestal | "What? No! We can't stop here! This is bat country!" |
| 20:49.00 | Chikorita | dats from homestarr runner toon |
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| 20:49.24 | Chikorita | "i play a mean washboard" |
| 20:49.38 | Chikorita | "wut iz dat ?iz dat a robot?" |
| 20:49.38 | Spiff | LoL Chik |
| 20:49.42 | Chikorita | lol |
| 20:49.45 | Spiff | I love that toon. ;-) |
| 20:49.51 | Chikorita | mee 2 dat mah fav |
| 20:49.54 | Spiff | "Now I'll do a little dance." |
| 20:49.54 | patlabor221 | "and my boots would be a whole lot cooler" |
| 20:50.02 | Chikorita | LoL spiff |
| 20:50.09 | Spiff | I love that dance. :-D |
| 20:50.45 | Chikorita | hi bzg |
| 20:50.49 | bzgirl | hi |
| 20:50.58 | Spiff | Hey bzgirl. :) |
| 20:51.25 | chameleon | howdy bzgirl |
| 20:51.47 | bzgirl | chameleon: hmm |
| 20:51.50 | fiberchunks | allo gurrl |
| 20:51.53 | bzgirl | i guess learner |
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| 20:52.22 | chameleon | good guess |
| 20:52.23 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack |
| 20:52.23 | | :), Chikorita |
| 20:52.30 | chameleon | ~botsmack |
| 20:52.31 | | sure, wanna snort some with me? |
| 20:52.38 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 20:52.52 | Chikorita | chameleon: chameleonsnack |
| 20:53.04 | Chikorita | ibot u druggie LoL |
| 20:53.05 | | i don't know, Chikorita |
| 20:53.11 | Chikorita | ya surreee |
| 20:53.16 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 20:53.23 | patlabor221 | youbecha |
| 20:54.17 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 20:58.32 | Nidhoggr | I uninstalled mine. :) |
| 20:58.47 | bryjen | I'm running Linux. |
| 20:59.17 | patlabor221 | so get the latest gaim |
| 20:59.19 | Nidhoggr | well, I am still running windows on my laptop. :( |
| 20:59.30 | Nidhoggr | but, not on my Mac or fileserver. :) |
| 21:01.24 | patlabor221 | damn, now I have to redesign the database class :( |
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| 21:08.43 | JBDiGriz | HSF++ |
| 21:09.12 | chameleon | high sigh five twice? |
| 21:10.08 | patlabor221 | what is the GDI index around there? |
| 21:10.13 | patlabor221 | up to purple alert? |
| 21:15.21 | chameleon | mine's 32bit |
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| 21:32.05 | chameleon | hi tupone |
| 21:32.14 | Tupone | hi all |
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| 21:38.56 | Chestal | Sascha: naja, "in" ist man ja imme rnur in gewissen Kreisen, und da waren sie es schon, denke ich |
| 21:38.59 | Chestal | oops |
| 21:40.02 | chameleon | yea, what he said |
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| 22:19.00 | brlcad | would someone post a unicode char for me? |
| 22:19.18 | Chestal | UTF8? |
| 22:19.46 | brlcad | yes |
| 22:19.49 | patlabor221 | |
| 22:19.53 | scanline | ???????! |
| 22:19.55 | brlcad | drat |
| 22:19.59 | Chestal | here is one: 'a' :-) |
| 22:20.08 | brlcad | lol, thanks ches :) |
| 22:20.11 | Chestal | pat: that doesn't look like UTF-8 |
| 22:20.24 | Chestal | I'm pretty sure my client does latin1 |
| 22:20.24 | patlabor221 | G |
| 22:20.32 | Chestal | that looks more like it, 4 bytes, wow |
| 22:20.35 | patlabor221 | says unicode in the character map thingy |
| 22:20.46 | brlcad | perhaps utf-16? |
| 22:20.48 | Chestal | or was that 4 characters? |
| 22:20.56 | patlabor221 | that last one was 4 characters |
| 22:21.00 | Chestal | what abomination is utf16? |
| 22:21.14 | patlabor221 | tho I don't know what mirc will do to it on a paste |
| 22:21.16 | scanline | Chestal: a gross one :) |
| 22:21.34 | brlcad | http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-16 |
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| 22:22.21 | brlcad | hrm. not responding |
| 22:22.27 | brlcad | http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr26/ |
| 22:25.19 | Chestal | all these different encodings clearly show that unicode fullfilled the promise of unifying character encoding :-) |
| 22:27.44 | scanline | well, they did the hard part- unifying the mapping between number and symbol |
| 22:28.21 | brlcad | i think utf-16 spawned from the desire to encode all of the old cryptic symobolic languages like cuneiform where there are hundreds and thousands of symbols |
| 22:28.44 | scanline | eh, no |
| 22:28.47 | Chestal | ucs-2 was a design error |
| 22:28.49 | scanline | utf-16 was spawned from laziness |
| 22:29.05 | scanline | it isn't big enough to store all of unicode, and it has all the drawbacks of utf-8 with none of the benefits |
| 22:29.20 | Chestal | well, unicode started with UCS2, no? |
| 22:29.30 | scanline | don't remember |
| 22:29.40 | brlcad | well.. I said a desire -- not that it could be done, done well, or even done right |
| 22:29.41 | Chestal | doesn't Windows and Java still use UCS2? |
| 22:30.00 | patlabor221 | it allways just says "unicode" |
| 22:30.09 | scanline | if so, I can understand why some systems (*cought* windows...) use it, but no new system should use UCS2 |
| 22:30.31 | Chestal | wchar_t is 32bit in gcc I guess? |
| 22:30.34 | scanline | use UTF-8 for compactness, or UCS-4 for laziness |
| 22:31.00 | Chestal | normally, UCS-4 is for workign with strings, where UTF-8 is meant for trsanferring |
| 22:31.23 | brlcad | would someone who can post a higher utf-8 character for sure post one |
| 22:31.42 | scanline | Chestal: yep, sizeof(wchar_t) == 4 |
| 22:36.34 | Tupone | Ђ Љ Њ Ћ Џ ђ љ њ ћ џ |
| 22:36.37 | Chestal | off to dreamland, cu |
| 22:37.17 | brlcad | woo hoo -- it works ;) |
| 22:37.26 | brlcad | drat that UCS2 stuff :) |
| 22:37.35 | brlcad | or 4 or whatever it is |
| 22:37.47 | brlcad | thx tupone |
| 22:37.49 | Tupone | not really sure they are higher utf-8 chars |
| 22:37.58 | brlcad | er.. ;( |
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| 23:09.50 | fiberchunks | I just heard the most horrific _jazz_ ? rendition of a Doors song |
| 23:09.56 | fiberchunks | how bizarre is that/ |
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| 23:12.09 | Spiff | I'm bAaAaAaAaCk! |
| 23:12.11 | Spiff | ;-) |
| 23:16.12 | bryjen | Lin-who? What-ix? ;) |
| 23:17.14 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 23:17.47 | fiberchunks | I suppose that even 10% of 278 million americans is just not enough customers to 'worry' about |
| 23:17.52 | bryjen | And saying "it runs on Linux" is more complicated. What distro? * What packages does it depend on? |
| 23:18.29 | fiberchunks | that is totally true, but generally, distro things don't bother me, what bothers me more is a place that doesn't indicate what dependencies a package has |
| 23:19.18 | bryjen | hehe "ldd is your friend" |
| 23:19.53 | bryjen | a quote from a package description for evolution on Slackware |
| 23:20.05 | fiberchunks | that's ridiculous |
| 23:20.35 | fiberchunks | esp. if (as I assume, I suppose incorrectly), that most linux users / developers would like to see more mainstream acceptance |
| 23:20.42 | bryjen | 3rd party packager |
| 23:21.05 | bryjen | yeah. not gooey user point n click friendly |
| 23:21.14 | fiberchunks | sorry, mainstream _desktop_ acceptance |
| 23:21.57 | fiberchunks | doesn't have to be totally GUI (I usually prefer config files to guis), but having things scattered to and fro among the different distros is a bit ridiculous (hopefully, the FHS and LSB will correct this) |
| 23:22.45 | bryjen | "Standards are nice. And there are so many to choose from!" not sure where I read that one :) |
| 23:23.10 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 23:24.11 | scanline | it's supposed to be "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from" IIRC |
| 23:24.29 | bryjen | Maybe with the mac being more unixish, linux will get some more of those win-and-mac-are-the-world people's attention |
| 23:24.54 | fiberchunks | I dunno.. |
| 23:28.29 | bryjen | are we ranting about hardware compatibility, perepherals and such? |
| 23:28.43 | bryjen | ~spell perepheral |
| 23:28.43 | | possible spellings for perepheral: peripheral peripherally peripherals |
| 23:28.53 | bryjen | whateva |
| 23:29.15 | bryjen | s/rant/lament |
| 23:33.14 | bryjen | that's disgusting too. Vendor Foo won't release programming info for their FooBobulator cuz then vendor Bar would be able to copy their product! |
| 23:34.13 | bryjen | As if by the time Bar's got the copy working, Foo won't have moved on the to UltraFooBobulator and the origional is obsolete |
| 23:39.30 | bryjen | Dinner time |
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