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| 00:14.06 | MrApathyCream | ooof |
| 00:15.31 | MrApathyCream | if you're at all doing java dev, this is a nifty tool http://www.cs.umd.edu/~pugh/java/bugs/ |
| 00:20.13 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: should hack on the items in the TODO list then. ;-) |
| 00:20.22 | earl_grey | MAC: I apparently got "unstuck" e-mail commit-notification-wise, you? |
| 00:20.56 | MrApathyCream | earl_grey, haven't tried |
| 00:21.16 | captain_proton | and not just the manual ones |
| 00:21.22 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton, coo |
| 00:22.53 | MrApathyCream | KTL whats that? |
| 00:22.59 | KTL_ | oef |
| 00:23.03 | KTL_ | somebody |
| 00:23.04 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): fixed strange bot path. Fixes on building Region, todo, should fix all |
| 00:23.05 | KTL_ | aaaa |
| 00:23.21 | gonkulator | MrApathyCream: its me, not being a lurker :) |
| 00:23.24 | KTL_ | well, a tank placed at 0,0 with angle pi/2 |
| 00:23.35 | KTL_ | can follow these routes |
| 00:23.37 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (2 files): added method to get the poll requestor |
| 00:23.45 | KTL_ | 1 second between the points |
| 00:24.00 | MrApathyCream | gonkulator, i like an overly extended joke more than the next guy |
| 00:24.45 | KTL_ | maybe maybe i can make some bullet avoiding algoritm with it |
| 00:24.54 | KTL_ | (it's too slow) |
| 00:25.12 | gonkulator | MrApathyCream: so do I :) |
| 00:28.33 | MrApathyCream | nope.... |
| 00:29.02 | patlabor221 | should check with the game designer |
| 00:37.18 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Superfluous checkin to check notifications |
| 00:38.00 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-217-133-254-104.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 00:38.51 | MrApathyCream | no notifications :( |
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| 00:44.37 | MrApathyCream | WOOWOOO NOTIFICATIONS!!!!!!! |
| 00:44.45 | MrApathyCream | saweeete |
| 00:46.56 | patlabor221 | what did they break? |
| 00:52.18 | earl_grey | is an AccessControlList ban period of 0 meant to be indefinate? |
| 00:52.42 | earl_grey | never mind |
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| 01:08.06 | Bagheera | ug....trying to make a map that is small and detailed is a lot of work |
| 01:09.09 | bryjen | maybe we should just lobby for improving the game to handle lotsa objects more efficiently |
| 01:09.47 | Bagheera | would be nice, i ripped out 4kb and now my framerates are into 140fps |
| 01:10.32 | bryjen | is not so much the file size as the number of boxes/pyramids/teleporters |
| 01:11.07 | Bagheera | ?...isnt file size and indication of that....or does it compress somehow |
| 01:11.15 | bryjen | of course removing object make the file size go down, but so would using fewer characters ( 10 instead of 10.0000) |
| 01:11.46 | Bagheera | ahh....i see what you are saying now |
| 01:12.12 | bryjen | or 10.0 instead of 10.01256 |
| 01:12.52 | Bagheera | i handle most of my maps graphically....i rarely look at the file itself |
| 01:14.43 | Bagheera | between patty's bzedit and trepan's bzmapper, i have a nice little flow going |
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| 01:16.37 | Bagheera | speak of the devil...here is quol now |
| 01:16.55 | Quol | hello bags and company |
| 01:16.58 | Quol | what's up? |
| 01:17.44 | Bagheera | i was going to ask if you could host eggs_v3, for trial.....bryjen has helped out though |
| 01:18.06 | Bagheera | how is the map developer site coming |
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| 01:20.46 | Quol | slow.... |
| 01:20.57 | Quol | but I will put it up for you - no problem |
| 01:21.09 | Quol | I can do this one manually for now... |
| 01:21.22 | Quol | what is it? CTF or FFA? |
| 01:21.29 | Bagheera | if you would run eggs_v3.1 that would be great....ffa |
| 01:21.45 | Quol | no problem - how do I get it? |
| 01:21.53 | Bagheera | forum....server:map section |
| 01:22.09 | Quol | do you have a preferd config? |
| 01:22.57 | Bagheera | all flags, four shot, richo on, 60 flags total |
| 01:23.10 | Bagheera | flags allowed on buildings |
| 01:23.30 | Bagheera | .....are you looking for switches...??.....i could dig those up.... |
| 01:23.45 | Quol | OK - will do it tonight - I actually have some time and was going to work on the map makers stuff tonight anyways... |
| 01:23.57 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (2 files): added storage of player IP in order to perform a temp ban even if the player performs an exodus |
| 01:23.58 | Quol | no - I can handle the switches - thanks |
| 01:24.00 | Bagheera | thanks.... |
| 01:24.35 | Quol | the reason that the map makers site is going so slowly is mainly due to the fact that work is sucking up all my time :( |
| 01:24.51 | Bagheera | seems like...you have been working later and later.... |
| 01:24.54 | Quol | I need to find a government job - but then I will loose the links that I am on now :) |
| 01:25.03 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): wee hee -- perform the actual kick or ban; this completes the initial poll voting implementation |
| 01:25.24 | Quol | yup - first week back, and I already have put in 36 hours |
| 01:25.37 | Bagheera | i have a government contract once.....no real fun actually....but a secure job |
| 01:26.19 | Quol | yeah - maybe when I get older I will land me one of those - right now I am still young enough that I like the challenges and excitement |
| 01:26.51 | Quol | hopefully in the next 6 weeks I can return to normal working hours - the main upgrades and projects are scheduled to end around that time |
| 01:27.26 | bryjen | ~dict exodus |
| 01:27.30 | Bagheera | cool, i will try not to bug too much then.... |
| 01:27.52 | Bagheera | trying to go somewhere bryjen? |
| 01:28.01 | Quol | don't worry - this gives me a brake and helps me to keep my sanity :) |
| 01:28.25 | bryjen | the CIA commit notice above ^ |
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| 01:29.01 | bryjen | an odd phrase "performs an exodus" |
| 01:29.16 | bryjen | ~dict exorcism |
| 01:29.33 | earl_grey | would you prefer "exits stage left"? :) |
| 01:29.40 | Bagheera | well it is the karma system right |
| 01:30.36 | Bagheera | i like exits stage left.... |
| 01:31.05 | bryjen | you're the wrong color cat for that |
| 01:32.40 | bryjen | is there a ninja monkey butler in the house? |
| 01:35.42 | Quol | Bagheera: you want me to say that the author is Koba or you? |
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| 01:36.13 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): heh, yes is no and no is yes |
| 01:36.19 | SGI | hi |
| 01:36.27 | Quol | hello sgi |
| 01:36.31 | SGI | Sir |
| 01:36.31 | earl_grey | howdy sgi |
| 01:41.57 | Bagheera | hey sgi |
| 01:42.23 | SGI | ~seen dtremenak |
| 01:42.23 | | dtremenak <~DTRemenak@host-225-121.dialup.innercite.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3d 2h 12m 16s ago, saying: 'then you could say SW doesn't affect shots, just the guidance system'. |
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| 01:50.41 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): added command line option debug output for voting arbiter |
| 01:50.52 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (VotingArbiter.cxx): dang minus is not arrow |
| 01:51.09 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 01:53.49 | SGI | ~dict aseptic |
| 01:54.29 | patlabor221 | untainted. |
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| 01:59.04 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): added strict prototype warning compiler option for os x |
| 02:10.42 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): make sure poll is successful after expiration before envoking grapes of wrath; updated /vote feedback to reflect poll type |
| 02:13.57 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~Adam@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 02:16.06 | earl_grey | hrm.. having an issue with register/identify persistence |
| 02:16.56 | earl_grey | I've added -passdb to store passwords -- which it did successfully; when I restart the server and try to identify with that user it tells me user is not registered. |
| 02:17.19 | Quol | you have userdb and groupdb there also? |
| 02:17.29 | earl_grey | no (on purpose) |
| 02:17.44 | Quol | might need at least userdb ... |
| 02:18.01 | Quol | that tells bzfs what groups the user is in and which commands they should have |
| 02:18.15 | earl_grey | that's lame.. lamey lamey :) |
| 02:18.17 | Quol | there are 2 builtin groups by default - everyone and admin |
| 02:18.24 | earl_grey | and "registered" |
| 02:18.37 | Quol | and the user file has the newly registerd users with teh groups on the next line |
| 02:19.26 | Quol | bzfs night also look at the users file to see if the user is registered or not, andprobably only consults the password file for authentication when the user types in the command?? don't know about that though - just a guess |
| 02:19.26 | earl_grey | they shouldn't necessarily be coupled together.. (/me makes mental note to fix that one day) |
| 02:19.33 | patlabor221 | passDB just stores the passwords |
| 02:19.37 | patlabor221 | you need at least the user |
| 02:19.50 | patlabor221 | the userDB is the core file |
| 02:19.52 | Quol | that's what I thought - was I more or less on the mark there pat? |
| 02:20.18 | patlabor221 | the passdb is only used when they register or when they identify |
| 02:20.18 | earl_grey | yea, that's what I "figured" -- still think it's flawed; they don't need to be coupled like that |
| 02:20.19 | patlabor221 | that's it |
| 02:20.53 | patlabor221 | the idea was to allow a remote user password database, but a local userdatabase |
| 02:21.13 | patlabor221 | so that someone who had admin on one server, did not get it on all, but could still use the same password |
| 02:22.15 | earl_grey | ewww... it's wanting all _three_ *sigh* |
| 02:22.21 | patlabor221 | could set it up to check the usernames in the passdb too if the user isn't found in userDB |
| 02:22.27 | patlabor221 | you should not need groups |
| 02:22.35 | patlabor221 | it will make 3 groups by default |
| 02:22.58 | earl_grey | I just got a "user not registered" for a user I just registered |
| 02:23.46 | patlabor221 | with a passDB and a userDB? |
| 02:24.25 | patlabor221 | so you want persitent, user passwords, but not be able to save any group changes? |
| 02:24.31 | patlabor221 | or any perm changes for them |
| 02:24.36 | earl_grey | okay, I spoke early -- but there is something awry |
| 02:24.38 | patlabor221 | just everyone has the default perms? |
| 02:24.55 | earl_grey | I logged in, registered, and quit -- no userdb file was created |
| 02:25.13 | Quol | you have to create the file - it has/should exist I think |
| 02:25.35 | earl_grey | when I logged in, registered, identified, and quit -- userdb file was created ... |
| 02:27.26 | patlabor221 | yeah you need to make it |
| 02:27.34 | patlabor221 | I should change that |
| 02:27.58 | patlabor221 | tho I have been trying to work more on the shared database class |
| 02:28.06 | patlabor221 | cus it will take care of it all it's self |
| 02:28.25 | patlabor221 | and you could even have all 5 databases be the same |
| 02:29.50 | earl_grey | no big deal - i think the problem was that you have to identify before it'll store the record? |
| 02:30.17 | earl_grey | it created the file for me after I identified |
| 02:30.37 | patlabor221 | ahh, interesting |
| 02:30.52 | patlabor221 | register dosn't dirty the file, you think it would. |
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| 02:35.59 | patlabor221 | mmmmmmmmmmmmmm who woulda thunk that beef, letuce, and blue cheese would go so well together |
| 02:36.19 | MrApathyCream | ' will bog down the server |
| 02:36.39 | patlabor221 | it will make it take the same time that the client does to pick it |
| 02:36.49 | MrApathyCream | * N |
| 02:36.51 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 02:37.11 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): er, do not forget the precious vote repeat timeout |
| 02:37.13 | patlabor221 | so does the client "bog down" when it does that? |
| 02:37.21 | MrApathyCream | *shrug* |
| 02:38.02 | patlabor221 | well from a pure game "security" standpoint, you can't let the client pick it |
| 02:38.08 | patlabor221 | since you can't trust the client. |
| 02:38.40 | MrApathyCream | complex geo calc * 1000 |
| 02:38.41 | MrApathyCream | static voidrestartPlaying() |
| 02:39.00 | patlabor221 | and since it's an operation that is done now, and noone complains about it client side, I don't think it will affect it too much. |
| 02:39.11 | patlabor221 | tho maybe it's not noticeable client side |
| 02:39.21 | MrApathyCream | each loop checks each tank, and each shot of each tank |
| 02:39.32 | patlabor221 | yeah I know it's nasty |
| 02:39.42 | patlabor221 | but again, it's done now |
| 02:40.01 | patlabor221 | you could time out how long the calc takes client side |
| 02:40.06 | patlabor221 | to get an idea |
| 02:40.06 | MrApathyCream | ok, i'll move it over --> see what happens |
| 02:41.05 | Quol | pat - I have a question for you... |
| 02:41.46 | Quol | is there something in the works that will let you query which users are in which groups, or rather list al the users in a specific group from the client? |
| 02:41.59 | patlabor221 | nothing is in the "works" now |
| 02:42.11 | patlabor221 | but anything is posible |
| 02:42.30 | Quol | :)- no big deal - just thought that it was worth mentioning |
| 02:42.44 | patlabor221 | that was one of the things on my list, but there were time issues |
| 02:42.56 | Quol | right now it's easy enough to just grep them from the userdb file |
| 02:43.35 | patlabor221 | well the server dosn't really keep a list by group, so it would have to find them |
| 02:43.47 | patlabor221 | that could take some time, if the database was MONTROUS |
| 02:44.57 | patlabor221 | and it could flood the ever lovin piss outa the client that asks for it. |
| 02:45.36 | Quol | true I guess...maybe a unix format would be easier for that purpose |
| 02:45.49 | patlabor221 | define unix fomat? |
| 02:45.54 | Quol | like a passwd file type of thing |
| 02:46.04 | Quol | where each user has a primary group |
| 02:46.07 | Quol | and a UID |
| 02:46.20 | Quol | and the group file |
| 02:46.28 | Quol | can have the secondary groups |
| 02:46.37 | patlabor221 | don't really work like that internaly |
| 02:46.39 | Quol | since they all have UID's it should speed up things |
| 02:46.42 | patlabor221 | groups are just a list of strings |
| 02:46.51 | patlabor221 | each user has a group list |
| 02:47.13 | patlabor221 | and when a perm is needed, you cascade thru the groups looking for one that allows the perm, otherwise it's no joy |
| 02:47.51 | patlabor221 | I don't think the search will take that long |
| 02:47.59 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (TODO): Document why picking 'Alive' position on server is going to be a big change |
| 02:48.05 | patlabor221 | not on the database sizes we are looking at |
| 02:48.06 | bryjen | even if they were indexed/store so that you could get the list fast, woe on he who asks for the list of the REGISTERED group |
| 02:48.14 | patlabor221 | it's nasty isn't it MAC? |
| 02:48.26 | patlabor221 | or the "Default" group |
| 02:48.30 | patlabor221 | since everyone is in that |
| 02:48.43 | patlabor221 | they are stored in a nice map tho :) |
| 02:49.10 | MrApathyCream | no bullet info on server :( |
| 02:49.23 | patlabor221 | yeah no server side state |
| 02:49.29 | patlabor221 | hook one up :) |
| 02:49.34 | MrApathyCream | thats a huge change |
| 02:49.49 | patlabor221 | yeah but your smart, should take no time |
| 02:49.52 | bryjen | although there's another unix characteristic that applys here: you asked for it, if you've got the permission, you'll get it |
| 02:50.03 | patlabor221 | that's what I'm hooking up now |
| 02:50.04 | bryjen | whether its good for you or not :) |
| 02:50.05 | MrApathyCream | well, i can assure you it will take me no time :D |
| 02:50.07 | patlabor221 | pray you got the pipe |
| 02:50.54 | patlabor221 | how does /listgroup groupname sound? |
| 02:51.02 | MrApathyCream | again i say the game designer should farkin ship the thing |
| 02:51.56 | bryjen | isn't that one already? |
| 02:52.03 | patlabor221 | no grouplist |
| 02:52.21 | bryjen | eh |
| 02:52.45 | patlabor221 | ohh no it's "showgroup" |
| 02:53.10 | bryjen | there's grouplist too |
| 02:54.01 | patlabor221 | yeah that lists all the groups |
| 02:54.05 | bryjen | "list" and "show" are basically the same verb. using group over-and-over gets confusing |
| 02:54.12 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:54.26 | patlabor221 | how bout /groupusers |
| 02:55.30 | Quol | sorry pat - didn't mean to cause more work for anyone :) |
| 02:55.40 | bryjen | no verb at all there. /listusersingroup is a bit long ;) |
| 02:55.40 | patlabor221 | it should not be hard to add |
| 02:55.43 | patlabor221 | not hard at all |
| 02:55.58 | patlabor221 | how bout /groupies :) |
| 02:56.52 | bryjen | or /userlist "group" |
| 02:57.06 | Quol | I like that one |
| 02:57.11 | bryjen | parallels /grouplist |
| 02:58.15 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): converted most of the poll debug messages to user-friendliquedness; improved premature success logic |
| 02:59.34 | patlabor221 | should anyone be able to do this? |
| 02:59.47 | patlabor221 | or just those with "showOthers" perm? |
| 03:00.05 | SGI | busy here |
| 03:02.26 | bryjen | who can get a list of groupnames ? |
| 03:03.08 | patlabor221 | anyone, cus it does not show info about specific users |
| 03:04.31 | patlabor221 | I'm just woried that if somone know what users are in the admin group they may be able to use that to help them crack the password or something |
| 03:05.22 | patlabor221 | how bout you can list the users of any group you belong too, and need showOther to see any group |
| 03:05.44 | MrApathyCream | * benchmark calls to BZDB to insure there are close to 0 per |
| 03:05.45 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.49 | MrApathyCream | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:05.56 | MrApathyCream | yeah.... |
| 03:06.00 | bryjen | showOthers for the whole thing would be fine too |
| 03:06.35 | SGI | but you can know who is the admin group |
| 03:07.08 | patlabor221 | admins |
| 03:07.10 | bryjen | you'll know when they /kick you ;) |
| 03:07.21 | patlabor221 | it's a double sided thing |
| 03:07.21 | SGI | yes |
| 03:07.24 | patlabor221 | it's good info |
| 03:07.31 | patlabor221 | but also can be used for evil |
| 03:07.45 | patlabor221 | it also would not show people who use a /password |
| 03:08.50 | SGI | if by default you have " you are kicked/ban from the admin'S" |
| 03:08.51 | bryjen | this was an operator's request for and administration aid. requiring showOthers for it should be fine |
| 03:08.58 | bryjen | s/and/an |
| 03:09.44 | patlabor221 | there may be a biologial issue preventing this from being implemented tongiht tho |
| 03:09.53 | Quol | Iam off guys - see you all later... |
| 03:10.02 | SGI | bye Quol |
| 03:10.07 | bryjen | later Q |
| 03:10.10 | SGI | thanks |
| 03:10.29 | bryjen | doesn't look like he's in a hurry to get it |
| 03:12.50 | SGI | but i ca change the ips |
| 03:12.54 | SGI | can |
| 03:13.31 | learner | sure, some know how to do this.. but it's trivial and quick to change your nick |
| 03:14.37 | learner | I'm wondering if it'll be a problem if a poll is created, a vote is cast, the player rejoins, and casts another vote under another name.. |
| 03:14.49 | bryjen | what happened to the vote being in force only as long as the voters remain? if i'm changing my nick, my voting alter-egos are staying |
| 03:15.08 | bryjen | ooops. are NOT staying |
| 03:15.09 | learner | pat: that's what happens when you mix beef, lettuce, and blue cheese.. |
| 03:15.36 | SGI | food still food |
| 03:15.45 | MrApathyCream | learner: ha |
| 03:16.06 | bryjen | the cheese was blue. what color was the cow? |
| 03:16.09 | *** part/#bzflag Quol (~QuolSimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 03:16.39 | SGI | we are missing the purple color |
| 03:16.40 | learner | bryjen: yea, that will be the idea eventually -- it wasn't clear how to do that quickly, though |
| 03:17.30 | learner | so right now it just stores the player name.. wait -- i think I just realized where that little bit of code needs to go |
| 03:18.11 | bryjen | so on removePlayer it could removeVotes ? |
| 03:18.41 | learner | yea, something like that |
| 03:25.31 | bryjen | ah. there's only one place where removePlayer is called w/o a reason string. I was wondering about those log entries. |
| 03:29.29 | learner | heh |
| 03:30.48 | bryjen | jackassrabbit |
| 03:31.39 | SGI | JAR |
| 03:31.52 | bryjen | as in the shot was fired while rabbit, they were un-rabbit-ed, and then the shot hits a rogue? |
| 03:32.34 | learner | is curMaxPlayers the number of players presently on the server or something else? |
| 03:32.54 | bryjen | aren't they only un-rabbit-ed when they die? they'd have to come back before the shot hit.... |
| 03:38.22 | SGI | good nite |
| 03:38.38 | *** part/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 03:41.12 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): commented out the debug verbosage as completeness is approached (debug statements will need to be removed prior to release); interactively update the number of available voters prior to computing the poll success ratio |
| 03:50.22 | learner | Man, I'm on a roll tonight! |
| 03:52.10 | learner | Shaweeet! It's working nicely now.. :) |
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| 03:53.36 | Spiff | ~whois 128.174.245.24 |
| 03:53.48 | learner | aww.. no more CIA to abuse |
| 03:53.50 | Spiff | Hmmm. |
| 03:54.15 | learner | wasup spiff |
| 03:54.22 | patlabor221 | whois only works on nicks |
| 03:54.35 | patlabor221 | you want an nslookup |
| 03:54.40 | Spiff | Yeah.. I just figured that out. :-) |
| 03:54.47 | Spiff | I'm just runnin' a tracert. |
| 03:55.02 | patlabor221 | if ya had a real OS you could do nslookup right from your desk :) |
| 03:55.03 | MrApathyCream | bryjen yes |
| 03:55.13 | bryjen | patlabor221: where's the beef? |
| 03:55.24 | Spiff | N2m learner. Lookin' up some peep who I'm playin' against. |
| 03:55.26 | patlabor221 | the beef isn't happy |
| 03:55.27 | Spiff | 'Sup with you? |
| 03:55.35 | Spiff | I agree, Patlabor. :-) |
| 03:55.44 | MrApathyCream | Roger beats robots 67 (-37) (-33) |
| 03:55.54 | Spiff | ~nslookup 128.174.245.24 |
| 03:56.03 | Spiff | Yep... okies. |
| 03:56.15 | Spiff | What's the easiest way to find out where that's located? |
| 03:56.17 | learner | pat: hehe |
| 03:56.30 | MrApathyCream | china? |
| 03:56.31 | bryjen | MrApathyCream: wouldn't it only be a problem if they respawned before their shots ended? |
| 03:56.41 | MrApathyCream | yes, but that happens occasionally |
| 03:56.43 | learner | go to uiuc.edu |
| 03:56.43 | patlabor221 | seems the beef and the roten cheese did not mix well |
| 03:56.50 | MrApathyCream | perhaps we prevent that |
| 03:57.12 | MrApathyCream | er, we should |
| 03:57.15 | bryjen | uiuc.edu Uni Illinois Urbana-Champagin (poorly spelled) |
| 03:57.19 | learner | pat: more pics? :) (sorry dude .. can't resist) |
| 03:58.13 | bryjen | blew cheese? :D ( mee too ) |
| 03:58.47 | patlabor221 | no no cam here at home |
| 03:59.02 | learner | gonna have to change your nick to dairychunks |
| 03:59.02 | MrApathyCream | given the lists of todos, i'd say we are at a stand still... TIME FOR THE FIST!!! |
| 03:59.15 | patlabor221 | but why would you want to see vomit? |
| 03:59.27 | Spiff | Gee... simple solution, learner. :-) |
| 03:59.39 | Spiff | Please forgive my lack of brain power... ;-) |
| 03:59.40 | bryjen | _I_ didn't ask to _see_ it. |
| 04:00.22 | learner | Hehe.. that's nasty pat :) I meant whatever was left uneaten! |
| 04:00.38 | patlabor221 | there was nothing left |
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| 04:03.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net] by patlabor221 |
| 04:04.04 | *** kick/#bzflag [bzdoug_!~jeffm@adsl-64-173-105-187.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] by patlabor221 (Pick one or participate) |
| 04:04.13 | MrApathyCream | now thats just cruel |
| 04:04.18 | Spiff | LoL |
| 04:04.25 | patlabor221 | he's on here twice |
| 04:04.33 | bryjen | whatabout dheckaman ? |
| 04:04.38 | patlabor221 | that's his other |
| 04:04.43 | MrApathyCream | so's the captain |
| 04:04.50 | MrApathyCream | :D |
| 04:04.53 | patlabor221 | he don't need 2, not for somone who speaks less then 72 lines in toto |
| 04:04.59 | patlabor221 | yes but cap participates |
| 04:05.06 | bryjen | Oh, he's here twice and neither are talking, so boot one. I get it now. |
| 04:05.12 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:05.28 | learner | cap's second is logging, as is bzgirl's |
| 04:05.32 | patlabor221 | i think the captan_proton one is also a loger |
| 04:05.33 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:05.52 | MrApathyCream | heh, captain_proton is a logger.... I like it |
| 04:06.04 | patlabor221 | chatelaine is asgard and it's running those irc stats, so I know what that is |
| 04:06.55 | learner | who is "s"?? |
| 04:06.59 | bryjen | cap speak from both of his nicks |
| 04:07.30 | purple_cow | second is logging? |
| 04:07.31 | purple_cow | no |
| 04:07.38 | purple_cow | i have xchat and then i have a screened irssi |
| 04:07.43 | patlabor221 | isn't one loging? |
| 04:07.53 | Spiff | Pffffffff. |
| 04:08.04 | purple_cow | no |
| 04:08.07 | Spiff | Ever see Monty Python's "Lumberjack Song" Apathy? |
| 04:08.10 | patlabor221 | well still cap does participate |
| 04:08.20 | patlabor221 | doug jus sits |
| 04:08.36 | bryjen | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress half-way down section 2.2 " + useless - davidtrowbridge" |
| 04:08.37 | patlabor221 | I can imagine, you moved |
| 04:08.37 | MrApathyCream | Spiff: yup |
| 04:08.42 | bryjen | there's a statement |
| 04:08.48 | patlabor221 | who is DB7654321 ? |
| 04:08.58 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 04:09.17 | MrApathyCream | that's his BZFlag nick too, *shrug* |
| 04:10.38 | Spiff | LoL |
| 04:10.58 | Spiff | DB7654321 is his prosthetic _____ I think. |
| 04:11.10 | patlabor221 | ahhh a mole |
| 04:11.25 | bryjen | " shots richochet in z " Does that mean off the ground too ? |
| 04:11.42 | patlabor221 | I think they should |
| 04:11.49 | Spiff | Apathy- That video is too funny. :-) |
| 04:11.51 | MrApathyCream | bryjen, yes |
| 04:12.02 | Spiff | Did I send that to you, Patlabor (the Lumberjack Song)? |
| 04:12.02 | bryjen | cool |
| 04:12.16 | patlabor221 | I've seen it there spiff |
| 04:12.25 | patlabor221 | remeber I'm just a tad older then you:) |
| 04:12.31 | MrApathyCream | they don't richochet off pyramids in z, tho... |
| 04:12.41 | MrApathyCream | (just boxes, ground) |
| 04:12.54 | patlabor221 | the don't off the bottom of them? |
| 04:12.56 | patlabor221 | why not? |
| 04:13.21 | MrApathyCream | just need to implement PyramidBuilding::get3DNormal |
| 04:13.28 | MrApathyCream | but it's currenly not done |
| 04:13.28 | bryjen | you can also BU under pyramids on the ground. |
| 04:13.32 | patlabor221 | and......................... |
| 04:13.49 | MrApathyCream | bryjen, that's not a bug with BU, but with collision checking in general |
| 04:14.00 | patlabor221 | pyramids are "odd" |
| 04:14.15 | MrApathyCream | only the bottom of the tank is considered for collision checking currently |
| 04:14.35 | bryjen | you cant go under boxes |
| 04:15.06 | MrApathyCream | (with pyrs) |
| 04:15.20 | bryjen | ah. details, details |
| 04:16.13 | Spiff | Ya know... I just found that, if sized properly, you can drive along the upper edge of a pyramid. |
| 04:18.07 | MrApathyCream | patlabor221, z bouncing off pyrs also doesn't work when hitting the angled side, when done in the z dir |
| 04:18.27 | patlabor221 | huh? |
| 04:19.01 | MrApathyCream | if a bullet is fired straight down into the side of a pyramid, it goes straight thru |
| 04:19.19 | MrApathyCream | once again PyramidBuilding::get3DNormal |
| 04:19.29 | patlabor221 | so non flat shots don't bounce right? |
| 04:19.33 | learner | ah CRAP! |
| 04:19.46 | learner | 'scuse me |
| 04:19.59 | Spiff | Patlabor- Next time I ask an older person a question about Monty Python, I'll remember to assume that they've seen all of the episodes because they're older than me. ;-) |
| 04:20.03 | MrApathyCream | patlabor221, not off pyrs |
| 04:20.08 | learner | just hit a problem -- I can't cancel a player's vote because I don't know what they voted.. |
| 04:20.28 | patlabor221 | and it's not geting fixed cus..............................? |
| 04:20.43 | patlabor221 | you don't track there vote state? |
| 04:20.54 | patlabor221 | what keeps em from voting multiple times? |
| 04:21.01 | MrApathyCream | patlabor221, you're sitting on your duff, of course :D |
| 04:21.01 | learner | that was the defined behavior -- it's really is hidden ballot |
| 04:21.12 | learner | it knows that you've voted, just not what you voted |
| 04:21.33 | patlabor221 | why not? the server can know, just don't show anyone else |
| 04:21.46 | bryjen | who are you hiding them from? (yourself? why?) |
| 04:22.02 | patlabor221 | I am sitting on my duff, checking things into another CVS database |
| 04:22.28 | learner | regardless, that's was a fundamental design in the base votingbooth class |
| 04:22.41 | patlabor221 | then sounds like she needs to be a changed |
| 04:23.16 | learner | maybe |
| 04:23.26 | patlabor221 | or you remove canceling |
| 04:23.47 | patlabor221 | but I would think that it woudl suck to vote, then realise your wrong and have no way to undo it |
| 04:24.14 | patlabor221 | if I was implementing it, I would just have each person know there vote, then when the dinger goes up, tally them up |
| 04:24.19 | learner | well -- that's a different problem -- there is presently no way to retract a vote |
| 04:24.30 | learner | the polls don't really last long enough |
| 04:24.42 | learner | but that's not a bad idea |
| 04:24.46 | patlabor221 | then they can flip the yea or nea at will, and if you drop before the buzzer then your not counted |
| 04:24.57 | bryjen | canceling if a player leaves (so they cant come back as another nick and vote again and again...) |
| 04:25.04 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:25.16 | patlabor221 | at ding time, you only tally those who are here. |
| 04:25.34 | patlabor221 | there is no need to keep a running total is there? |
| 04:25.58 | learner | yes |
| 04:26.06 | patlabor221 | you display it? |
| 04:26.41 | patlabor221 | or does the poll end when a magority is reached? |
| 04:26.50 | learner | if there are sufficient votes early, the poll is closed and after a veto period timeout, the action is enforced -- that's so polls may be quick and decisive |
| 04:27.16 | patlabor221 | so you just update the total by reading who is there when ever you need |
| 04:27.23 | patlabor221 | it should not take that long at all |
| 04:28.10 | patlabor221 | but your vote should only count if you are there when the poll ends ( from time, or early end ) |
| 04:29.02 | learner | that's what this fix was going to fix.. |
| 04:29.04 | patlabor221 | and that would prevent your relogers |
| 04:29.37 | learner | dang it -- i hate to get down to literally the last line of code and hit a wall like this |
| 04:30.09 | learner | I really liked the opaque votingbooth |
| 04:30.11 | patlabor221 | well, how did the spec handle cases like this? |
| 04:30.29 | MrApathyCream | :D |
| 04:31.21 | Spiff | So.. what's with all of the "voting" talk? Part of the "Karma" system? |
| 04:31.33 | learner | Not really spiff |
| 04:31.33 | patlabor221 | no, it's seperate |
| 04:31.42 | MrApathyCream | a 'simplified replacement' |
| 04:31.57 | Spiff | Would it be too tough to explain it to a nitwit like me? :) |
| 04:32.02 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 04:32.06 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 04:32.12 | ElectricElf | Spiff: Never, ever ask that question :) |
| 04:32.18 | learner | It'll be able to utilize "karma" on a social level, but it's basically a just a voting system to remove unwanted players |
| 04:32.36 | patlabor221 | tell me this isn't funny lookin |
| 04:32.37 | patlabor221 | http://www.e-michael.jp/gallery/gol-1.jpg |
| 04:32.43 | Spiff | I actually meant to mock myself, Electric. :-) |
| 04:33.05 | ElectricElf | Spiff: I know, what I said was tongue-in-cheek as well :) |
| 04:33.12 | learner | pat: hehe |
| 04:34.13 | Spiff | It's always nice to find a good sense of humor in here. :-) |
| 04:36.10 | learner | Spiff, it'll let all of the players on a playing field to collectively agree to temporarily ban a cheater/assclown |
| 04:36.28 | learner | without the need for a server admin |
| 04:36.34 | Spiff | That'd be good. |
| 04:36.43 | Spiff | What % of the players does it take though? |
| 04:37.02 | learner | That's up to the server operators -- the default is > 50% |
| 04:37.27 | Spiff | What if someone opens several clients to vote against one person? :-| |
| 04:38.06 | learner | most admins will probably set it much much higher, though (like 75%) |
| 04:41.09 | Spiff | Well... I do like the idea a lot. :-) |
| 04:41.51 | MrApathyCream | spiff i think it's based on ip, not name |
| 04:41.59 | Spiff | That'd be good. :-D |
| 04:42.03 | MrApathyCream | but what do i know... ask learner |
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| 04:45.09 | learner | Well, nothing will presently prevent that sort of abuse -- if I go by ip, It'll kill corporate and natd users; it presently goes by the user name for the purpose of polling (it does use the IP for banning) |
| 04:46.02 | learner | I'm toying with some other ideas, though to prevent that sort of action; it's not been a priority, though, since that would be a new form of system abuse |
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| 04:54.36 | learner | wow, that was easier to switch over to track voters than I expected.. (go me) |
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| 04:59.07 | learner | So.. should people be allowed to change their vote? |
| 05:02.14 | Spiff | I dunno. It seems like, if they're smart enough to use the vote feature, they are probabily smart enough to be sure before they vote. :-) |
| 05:03.52 | learner | actually, the interface for voting is pretty darn simple right now |
| 05:04.01 | learner | you request a poll via /poll kick Spiff |
| 05:04.14 | learner | then you have XX seconds to /vote yes |
| 05:04.26 | Spiff | Cool. :-) |
| 05:04.39 | learner | XX seconds + a few seconds later Spiff is kicked |
| 05:04.50 | learner | likewise with /poll ban learner |
| 05:06.12 | Spiff | Seems cool. :-) |
| 05:07.34 | learner | and certain priviledged users will be able to /veto the poll if it is unjustly requested |
| 05:09.20 | Spiff | Hehe.. cool. |
| 05:09.36 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added ability to retract a vote -- this required the ability to actually track who voted what, which unfortunately makes the votingbooth no longer _strictly_ opaque (although there is still no interface to get their vote); this changes votecount computation from O(1) to O(n).. |
| 05:09.37 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (VotingArbiter.cxx): when a poll is closed, set the clock back to exactly voteTime seconds ago instead of +inf.. |
| 05:10.44 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): retract a player vote if they disconnect |
| 05:11.14 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (2 files): added ability to retract a vote |
| 05:11.48 | learner | cool.. just about finished! |
| 05:13.36 | learner | Hrm.. one way to prevent multiple client voters would be to only allow players that are present when a poll is created to vote -- that would require an abuser to "camp out" on a server which is much more unlikely and easier to remedy via traditional admin action |
| 05:15.14 | MrApathyCream | learner would be nice if a menu popped up where you just used arrowkeys to pick yes/no and enter to vote |
| 05:15.24 | learner | MAC: indeed it would |
| 05:15.29 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 05:18.05 | learner | it would have to be a passive system, perhaps a menu that activates quick-response keys (y=>yes, n=>no, a=>abstain) but that could be otherwise ignored |
| 05:18.45 | learner | i'd still want the command-based system, though -- so I did that first (and I'll let someone else attack a gui) |
| 05:19.50 | learner | it'd also be nice to interactively see something countdown or visualize the poll time remaining |
| 05:22.31 | learner | It looks like it'll be easy to track who is around when a poll is created and only allow them to vote.. |
| 05:30.52 | Spiff | Coolness. :-) |
| 05:43.19 | learner | But, alas, not tonight since that really should involve the whole complicated mess of only making ban's persist as long as those who voted hang around and THAT's not near as simple to do |
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| 05:51.04 | *** topic/#bzflag by learner -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org || put javadoc-style /** comments */ in headers! || cvs snapshots: http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ Win32 versions http://www.bakadigital.com/BZ/19 || check out new /poll, /vote, and /veto commands |
| 05:52.17 | *** topic/#bzflag by learner -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org || put javadoc-style /** comments */ in headers! || cvs snapshots: http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ Win32 versions http://www.bakadigital.com/BZ/19 || check out new /poll, /vote, and /veto commands on brlcad.org |
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| 06:38.54 | MAC | heh, i think you could really mess up the vote by doing |
| 06:39.08 | MAC | or whatever |
| 06:39.12 | MAC | (but don't tell learner) :) |
| 06:39.22 | MAC | arg |
| 06:39.25 | MAC | by doing |
| 06:39.32 | MAC | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.50 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Dump /set server variables to the console, using /set message |
| 06:47.56 | MrApathyCream | hmmm to high kick doesn't take into consideration jump velocity |
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| 12:41.33 | rooter | hello all |
| 12:43.52 | Chestal | hi root |
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| 13:09.26 | Chestal | what for? |
| 13:11.08 | brlcad | something he e-mailed me last night :) |
| 13:11.37 | Chestal | I noticed that his commit emails seemto be working now |
| 13:12.42 | brlcad | Yea, the sourceforge commits will not go through if they cannot verify the e-mail you have set in your sf account user preference |
| 13:15.13 | Chestal | voting should work now? |
| 13:16.27 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): enum constants live in scope of parent; remove name of unused parameter to get rid of wrning |
| 13:18.09 | brlcad | yes, it should work now :) |
| 13:20.35 | brlcad | Here's why I woulda hugged MAC: http://brlcad.org/tmp/visualban.png |
| 13:22.10 | rooter | because you dislike learner ;) jk... that's cool |
| 13:23.05 | brlcad | that made my morning :) |
| 13:26.33 | brlcad | If anyone wants to try it out, poll voting is on brlcad.org running with very low vote times (30sec to vote, 20sec to veto, 0 min votes, 50.01% passing vote, and 90sec repeat timeout) |
| 13:28.12 | Chestal | do you need two or 3 players to test it? |
| 13:28.33 | brlcad | not with 0 min votes |
| 13:28.44 | Chestal | ah |
| 13:28.54 | Chestal | so I could vote myself off the server? :-) |
| 13:29.11 | brlcad | yep, you could ban yourself off the server even :) |
| 13:29.17 | brlcad | for 10 minutes |
| 13:30.28 | Chestal | hmm, /poll kick Chestal? |
| 13:30.45 | brlcad | what happened there? |
| 13:31.01 | brlcad | did it just kick you?? |
| 13:31.20 | Chestal | no |
| 13:31.27 | Chestal | is that the correct syntax above? |
| 13:31.34 | brlcad | yes |
| 13:31.47 | Chestal | it says I am not authorized to use /poll |
| 13:31.51 | brlcad | but it'll probably tell you "You do not have permission .. blah blah blah" |
| 13:32.05 | brlcad | right -- by default, you have to be registered to participate |
| 13:33.25 | brlcad | the debug stuff will go away eventually |
| 13:33.42 | Chestal | can I change my mind once I have voted? |
| 13:34.02 | brlcad | Someone mentioned that last night -- you will tomorrow -- but not right now |
| 13:34.14 | Chestal | it's ok |
| 13:34.21 | Chestal | was just wodnerign because i did /vote yes |
| 13:34.27 | Chestal | then /vote no, it said I had already voted |
| 13:34.33 | Chestal | but it didn't kick me when time was over |
| 13:35.14 | brlcad | i noticed .. hrm |
| 13:35.34 | brlcad | after 90sec you should be able to vote again -- try a simple poll and yes vote |
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| 13:35.52 | brlcad | s/vote again/poll again/ |
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| 13:36.00 | Chestal | is this dead time global or per poller or per target? |
| 13:36.15 | brlcad | per poller |
| 13:37.34 | Chestal | not successful |
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| 13:38.21 | brlcad | interesting -- lemme turn the server-side debug messages on so I can see what it thinks the percentage is |
| 13:38.35 | Chestal | ok |
| 13:38.51 | Chestal | maybe it thinks that with 100%, the poll has been forged ;-) |
| 13:39.03 | brlcad | hehe |
| 13:40.39 | brlcad | okay, try again now |
| 13:41.22 | brlcad | wieeerd... |
| 13:41.36 | brlcad | it thinks there are 2 players for some reason.. |
| 13:42.24 | brlcad | oh, hehe, bryjen :) |
| 13:42.36 | bryjen | sorry |
| 13:42.40 | bryjen | should I have voted? |
| 13:43.01 | Chestal | bryjen: have you been observer before you left? |
| 13:43.01 | brlcad | if you don't vote the percentage will be 50, which will make it fail ;) |
| 13:43.20 | bryjen | is it /vote yes|no ? |
| 13:43.31 | brlcad | yes, but you have to identify first |
| 13:43.45 | Chestal | brlcad: which players are takeninto account? all of them? |
| 13:43.50 | bryjen | n/m i'll just get out of the way |
| 13:44.27 | brlcad | hrm. didn't capture your yes vote properly |
| 13:44.34 | Chestal | bryjen: did you reconnect as an observer just before you left? |
| 13:45.02 | bryjen | Chestal: yes. i did the @ thing and them I rememered obs. is a "team" now |
| 13:45.12 | brlcad | Chestal: I think I know what's going on.. -- last minute change b0rked it |
| 13:45.15 | bryjen | did I break something? |
| 13:45.28 | Chestal | bryjen: ah, ok, then I rpobably didn't see you in the scoreboard because Observers are blackI think. Had a night setting |
| 13:45.29 | brlcad | no, bryjen -- my bad |
| 13:46.24 | bryjen | I noticed the odd time-of-day. brlcad: open the curtains, its daytime |
| 13:48.11 | bryjen | is the timezone on your box correct? |
| 13:48.18 | brlcad | yes |
| 13:48.24 | brlcad | EDT |
| 13:48.56 | bryjen | hmm chestal likes to fiddle with the server settings (gravity, speeds,...) |
| 13:49.44 | bryjen | can you adjust the servers time in-game? |
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| 13:52.13 | brlcad | g'mornin fibes |
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| 13:54.42 | Bagheera | morn'in |
| 13:57.03 | bryjen | drat. the snapshot doesn't compile. wonder if its out-of-date. |
| 14:12.18 | fiberchunks | allo |
| 14:20.41 | brlcad | bryjen.. not quite finished -- still br0ken |
| 14:21.34 | bryjen | ah. |
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| 14:22.28 | brlcad | it also wasn't detecting observers correctly.. |
| 14:22.48 | bryjen | should observers be able to vote? |
| 14:24.31 | brlcad | yes, they should |
| 14:25.35 | bryjen | yeah. makes sense. if someone spewing profanities, the obs. have an interest in silencing them. |
| 14:26.06 | Chestal | brlcad: why would the voting system have toknow about obserevr status, then? |
| 14:30.32 | brlcad | Chestal: what do you mean? it doesn't know -- it just considers everyone who "can" vate right now and uses that as the upper limit |
| 14:31.02 | brlcad | I'm changing that tonight so that it only allows people who are around when the poll is created to vote |
| 14:31.36 | brlcad | and that the summary percentage is only computed against received votes (instead of against all potential voters) |
| 14:31.55 | brlcad | if that makes any sense to you guys, lemme know ;) |
| 14:40.07 | Chestal | brlcad: well, I was asking because you said "it also wasn't detecting observers correctly" |
| 14:40.41 | bryjen | so there's playersPolled = list of players when /poll was done, and only they can vote on this poll |
| 14:40.42 | bryjen | votesYes, votesNo, votesCast = (votesYes+votesNo), votePercent = votesYes/VotesCast*100 |
| 14:40.44 | bryjen | if (votesCast > minVotes & votePercent > votePercentRequired) then do_action |
| 14:40.45 | bryjen | should minVotes be a configureable, or based on the count of playersPolled? |
| 14:43.13 | bryjen | because if I call a poll with 20 players, really more than me and a couple of other need to vote yes for it to really be much of a poll (if only 3 vote and they're all yes, that's 100%) |
| 14:43.24 | Bagheera | whats the time limit on how long it takes to consider all votes registered |
| 14:43.51 | Bagheera | and yes, IMHO, there should be a min vote count |
| 14:44.09 | Bagheera | but what do i know, i just make maps |
| 14:44.22 | bryjen | I was saying min vote count should be relative to the # of eligible voters |
| 14:44.26 | brlcad | Chestal: oh, I meant you couldn't /poll kick some_observer_name |
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| 14:44.58 | Chestal | brlcad: oh, hmm, how comes? |
| 14:45.17 | bryjen | a fixed min vote count wouldn't work well across largely varying # of players |
| 14:45.27 | Chestal | brlcad:I mean, I would imagine you'd have to add additional logic to exclude observers |
| 14:45.44 | Bagheera | make it a percentage |
| 14:45.57 | bryjen | Bagheera: exactly :) |
| 14:47.43 | brlcad | Chestal: we're talking about different things :) There was a problem with requesting a poll against players that didn't have a letter or number as their first character (i juxt fixed that) |
| 14:48.14 | bryjen | observers still have @'s in 1.9? |
| 14:48.24 | brlcad | bryjen: the min vote is just a "this is how many votes are required to make the poll valid" count |
| 14:48.54 | brlcad | by default it's set to 3 -- so no matter what, at least three people have to agree for anything to happen |
| 14:50.01 | bryjen | brlcad: which should be proportional to the number of eligible voters. minvotes=3 when there are 20 voters and your percentage is against votesCast, if only 4 people vote and they're all yes, that's > minvotes and 100% |
| 14:50.08 | brlcad | Bags: the vote time is configurable, as is the min vote count |
| 14:51.29 | Chestal | brlcad: observers are a team now, no more '@' |
| 14:51.50 | bryjen | Now that I think about it, you had talked about requiring (some % of the eligible voters to vote) and (some % of the votes to be yes), which is basicly what I'm saying now. |
| 14:52.39 | brlcad | lol |
| 14:54.32 | brlcad | yes.. while a poll is in progress, the number of eligible votes is going to be used to determine the % success (so that we may terminate early); once a poll completes it'll only consider those who voted (as long as they are > min votes required) |
| 14:54.55 | bryjen | where do you get min votes from? |
| 14:55.11 | brlcad | it's a server config setting |
| 14:55.24 | bryjen | a count or a percent |
| 14:55.26 | bryjen | ? |
| 14:55.28 | brlcad | a count |
| 14:55.52 | bryjen | i'm thinking it should be a percent against eligible voters |
| 14:56.01 | brlcad | well, that too -- yes |
| 14:56.16 | bryjen | (see examples above) |
| 14:56.28 | brlcad | # voters must be > minVoteCount AND % voting yes must be > votingPercentage |
| 14:59.39 | brlcad | I'm pretty sure we're saying the same thing, or at least the end effect will be the same |
| 14:59.45 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.39 | bryjen | you've got minVote as a static number, i'm using a percent of eligible voters to make that number dynamic |
| 15:02.38 | brlcad | okay, then I've got that moved over into the percentage computation itself |
| 15:02.59 | brlcad | the percentage is based off of a dynamic "eligible voter" count |
| 15:04.04 | bryjen | so not ( votesYes / _votesCast_ ) > minVotePassPercent |
| 15:04.58 | brlcad | i want to be able to say "there MUST be at least X people voting" in addition to any percentages computed -- hence I made it as a simple check |
| 15:05.12 | bryjen | ( votesYes / eligibleVoters ) > minVotePassPercent |
| 15:05.20 | brlcad | ah |
| 15:05.23 | brlcad | both |
| 15:05.39 | brlcad | before the poll is closed, it is the latter |
| 15:05.48 | brlcad | once the poll closes, it's the piror |
| 15:05.52 | bryjen | hmm |
| 15:07.28 | brlcad | i think I"m seeing what you are saying -- if I'm checking the number of votes first, i could always just use _votesCast_ .. but I don't think that can be used until the poll closes |
| 15:07.38 | bryjen | would that still let the 3 people who all voted yes still win? on a server with 20+ players, they're a small portion |
| 15:07.56 | brlcad | okay -- case in point: |
| 15:08.00 | brlcad | 20 players |
| 15:08.06 | brlcad | minVote is set to 3 |
| 15:08.20 | bryjen | ok |
| 15:08.22 | brlcad | poll begins |
| 15:08.43 | brlcad | 1 vote, 2 vote -- still below 3 nothing happens |
| 15:09.26 | bryjen | yes |
| 15:09.33 | brlcad | say required vote percentage to succeed is 50% |
| 15:10.01 | brlcad | 3 vote yes, and we get 3 / 20 .. so no good |
| 15:10.13 | brlcad | 5 vote yes and we get 5 / 20 so no good |
| 15:10.31 | brlcad | poll closes |
| 15:11.01 | brlcad | we have 5 yes votes so we have 5 > 3 and 5 / 5 so GOOD -- action invoked |
| 15:11.38 | bryjen | only 5/20 people voted 25% of eligible voters |
| 15:11.44 | brlcad | we can't say good before the poll closes since we could quickly get 10 no votes which would make it 5 / 15 |
| 15:12.58 | brlcad | if 5/20 is a problem (as it is in this case) minVote could be set higher |
| 15:13.04 | bryjen | i see what you're getting at about being able to close the poll early once votes cast for one option go over the majority.... |
| 15:13.47 | brlcad | and I see what you're getting at (i think) about needing a runtime % minimum in addition to a vote count min ;) |
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| 15:14.07 | bryjen | but after the poll has timed out, in that check is where i'm looking for the dynamic minvote |
| 15:14.15 | bryjen | ah! |
| 15:15.16 | brlcad | there is presently no way to require 3 votes _period_ and still require some % participation -- I'll add that |
| 15:15.28 | brlcad | good idea |
| 15:15.51 | bryjen | you don't need to check minvote in the pre-timeout early landslide check. it should always wait for the majority of eligible voters to go one way |
| 15:16.33 | bryjen | s/always wait for/only trigger once |
| 15:17.11 | brlcad | doesn't hurt, but yea -- it's a bit superflous |
| 15:18.17 | bryjen | unless you want to disable voting entirely for very low player counts |
| 15:18.34 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (WordFilter.h): added helper func for matching whitespace |
| 15:18.35 | brlcad | i _do_ want that |
| 15:18.40 | bryjen | ah |
| 15:18.46 | brlcad | that's all that is supposed to prevent, actually |
| 15:18.57 | brlcad | hence default of 3 |
| 15:19.15 | bryjen | still, that's not the right place for that check then. it should be up front and disallow /poll. |
| 15:19.49 | bryjen | "Sorry not enough players to /poll" |
| 15:19.58 | bryjen | not |
| 15:20.07 | bryjen | "Vote failed: not enough players" |
| 15:20.10 | brlcad | when I started, it was allowing players who joined mid-poll to vote -- so it was needed there |
| 15:20.21 | bryjen | ah |
| 15:21.03 | brlcad | but spiff actually made a good suggestion that made me think to limit it only to who is around when the question arises to prevent rejoin nick abuse |
| 15:21.48 | bryjen | and elsewise you'd have to re-echo the question to new people so they'd know what they were answering |
| 15:22.06 | Chestal | brlcad: hmm, this check could probably be implemented by means of the connect time of the player |
| 15:23.02 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): calculate the start of a player name as any non-whitespace printable char instead of any alphanumeric |
| 15:23.16 | brlcad | i figured someone would just tell them :) doesn't matter -- they won't have the option now |
| 15:23.42 | bryjen | hehe. do not ass-u-me too much |
| 15:24.04 | brlcad | that should further minimize abuse and player server voter migrations |
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| 15:24.49 | brlcad | Chestal: splain |
| 15:25.23 | tea|tree_ | hello guys |
| 15:25.34 | tea|tree_ | ~d |
| 15:25.41 | Chestal | brlcad: well,m there is player[].time which is the point of time when player connected |
| 15:25.49 | Chestal | brlcad: so you could compare /poll time to player connect time |
| 15:26.02 | tea|tree_ | :) |
| 15:26.08 | Chestal | hi tea |
| 15:26.12 | brlcad | hi tea |
| 15:26.21 | bryjen | lo tree |
| 15:27.22 | brlcad | Can I not just iterate over curMaxPlayers for all players that are ! NotConnected when a /poll request is made? |
| 15:28.11 | Chestal | brlcad: ehm, well you can, but then you'd have to store some additional information at that point in time. What would you do? Set a bit in player struct? Or create a list of player names/whatever? |
| 15:28.49 | brlcad | I need to maintain a list of player names any ways to track the ban idea you came up with -- so yes, list of player names |
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| 15:28.52 | Chestal | jsut thought the timestamp comparison would be much easier to implement and have cleaner semantics |
| 15:28.56 | bryjen | and make a list of callsigns. that would allow you to store their vote so it could be removed and a ban re-evaluated when the voter leaves |
| 15:29.29 | Chestal | ehm, ban idea? Cannot remember any such idea of mine |
| 15:30.11 | bryjen | voted bans only being in effect as long as all the players who voted for it stay on the server |
| 15:30.29 | Chestal | hmm, that's not my idea, I'm pretty sure :-) |
| 15:30.30 | brlcad | you had made the suggestion that bans should only persist as long as a majority of the players that requested a ban are still around |
| 15:30.31 | bryjen | all or a % (again with the %s :) |
| 15:30.55 | Chestal | could be nice, but sounds liek too much hassle to me |
| 15:30.57 | bryjen | That's might've been TimRiker's idea |
| 15:31.15 | Chestal | I would just have gone with a term ban for a couple minutes |
| 15:31.19 | brlcad | hrm.. maybe it was Tim, but I was pretty sure it was Chestal's idea ;) |
| 15:31.31 | brlcad | hehe |
| 15:31.52 | brlcad | it's presently the simple implementation -- X minutes (10 for now) |
| 15:32.32 | Chestal | so, votign system uses callsign as id |
| 15:32.36 | brlcad | I'll probably use both -- 10 minutes max or until a majority leave |
| 15:32.59 | brlcad | yes, the callsign is the id for voting, yet it tracks IPs for /poll ban |
| 15:33.13 | Chestal | but for the latter, you'd need to make changes to the banning system as well |
| 15:33.13 | Nidhoggr | oof |
| 15:33.15 | brlcad | er, s/IPs/one IP/ |
| 15:33.34 | Nidhoggr | illegal neighborhood construction at 3 AM. had to call the police... meanwhile, no sleep for me. |
| 15:35.24 | brlcad | Chestal: the votingarbiter can track who voted and notify when an unban needs to occur as players come and go |
| 15:35.48 | bryjen | Chestal: the poll result could set the ban as permantent. the polling code would be responsible for tracking the voters and deleteing the ban later |
| 15:36.04 | bryjen | and once its gone, its gone |
| 15:36.10 | Chestal | wel, yes, I'm sure that it's possible, just look oversized to me |
| 15:36.15 | Chestal | small is beautiful :-) |
| 15:36.33 | bryjen | Ah, but you forget, we are Americans ;) |
| 15:36.41 | Chestal | this way it has a lot more coupling to the rest of bzfs |
| 15:36.45 | brlcad | i wouldn't set it as permanent, but perhaps some high ban time |
| 15:36.58 | bryjen | bigger, faster, stronger = better |
| 15:37.12 | brlcad | bryjen: lol |
| 15:37.56 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.04 | Chestal | can anyone explain to me, how boost:function does its magic? :-) |
| 15:38.53 | brlcad | Well, the logic can either go in the VotingArbiter or into the banning system -- some code pretty much for either |
| 15:39.30 | brlcad | the unban itself would then respectively occur in the main loop or automatically in the banning system |
| 15:40.15 | bryjen | I'd say keep in it the voting stuff and have it use the normal ban/unbad functions to prevent tangling the two together |
| 15:41.11 | brlcad | it wouldn't necessarily tangle -- you'd just have to add a capapbility to banWhileThesePlayersAreStillAround(playerlist); |
| 15:41.35 | brlcad | or maybe I'll just leave it at 10 minutes |
| 15:42.47 | Chestal | this could be tunred into a useful feature if those were persistent. I could then tell my server to auto-ban player xyz whenever I join. So he could play onmy server, but not when I am on ;-) |
| 15:43.46 | brlcad | LoL! |
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| 15:44.15 | bryjen | Eh? So you don't like 'em, but you're willing to inflict 'em on your users? |
| 15:44.43 | Chestal | bryjen: yes, could be useful to put all players who can beat me on that list ;-) |
| 15:45.00 | brlcad | that'd be a short list |
| 15:45.02 | bryjen | ah. I missed the <joke> |
| 15:45.23 | Chestal | hi pat. You banned doug again? |
| 15:45.47 | patlabor221 | just one of his |
| 15:45.55 | patlabor221 | he's still here |
| 15:45.57 | bryjen | Chestal: just one of his two connections, as he's not really using either |
| 15:45.58 | patlabor221 | dheckaman |
| 15:46.21 | bryjen | ~seen dheckaman |
| 15:46.21 | | bryjen: i haven't seen 'dheckaman ' |
| 15:46.24 | bryjen | ~seen dheckaman |
| 15:46.24 | | dheckaman is currently on #bzflag (1d 21h 23m 8s) |
| 15:46.31 | bryjen | ~seen bzdoug |
| 15:46.31 | | bzdoug <~~joe@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 11d 15h 49m 11s ago, saying: 'lol'. |
| 15:47.21 | brlcad | I wonder if his auto-reconnect would kick back in if you unbanned now |
| 15:50.41 | patlabor221 | I removed the one that was only in this channel, not the one in other channels, cus that seems to be the one he would use most. |
| 15:51.30 | patlabor221 | I just find it odd that the person with the 3rd most changed nick didn't even make the top 25 talkers. |
| 15:53.08 | brlcad | ~seen dheckaman |
| 15:53.09 | | dheckaman is currently on #bzflag (1d 21h 29m 52s) |
| 15:53.44 | patlabor221 | he'll live |
| 15:53.46 | brlcad | different ip addresses |
| 15:54.13 | patlabor221 | that's his work |
| 15:54.30 | brlcad | da |
| 15:55.30 | bryjen | patlabor221: the stats page still suspects you're insane (8 kicks). What's that make Chestal with just 1? |
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| 15:56.19 | patlabor221 | ohh unfortonatly that makes him sane, so I'd watch out for him |
| 15:56.36 | patlabor221 | those sane people can go off at any moment :) |
| 15:56.55 | brlcad | pat: where's the beef? |
| 15:56.59 | bryjen | it's always the one's nobody would've ever thought of |
| 15:57.11 | patlabor221 | probably on it's way to a treatment plant in TO |
| 15:57.25 | brlcad | hehe |
| 15:57.40 | Chestal | bryjen: even when you take that rule into account? |
| 15:57.55 | Chestal | I'm not insane, just deranged |
| 15:58.46 | patlabor221 | I didn't say you were insane |
| 15:58.49 | patlabor221 | I said you were sane |
| 15:58.55 | patlabor221 | that makes it worse |
| 16:00.21 | Chestal | maybe then I am ranged ;-) |
| 16:01.26 | bryjen | ~dict ranged |
| 16:01.37 | bryjen | ~dict deranged |
| 16:01.39 | patlabor221 | I want to know what "gruntle" is |
| 16:01.53 | patlabor221 | and how you lose it to be come disgruntled |
| 16:02.00 | bryjen | Has someone stolen yours? |
| 16:02.20 | Nidhoggr | yay.. my company makes the news. |
| 16:02.32 | Nidhoggr | well, the company I work for anyway. :) |
| 16:02.34 | patlabor221 | I dono, what is it? I 'd like to know so I can check, cus if they have, I think I need to get upity or something |
| 16:02.35 | Nidhoggr | http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030910/law065_1.html |
| 16:04.08 | captain_proton | one of the screws for the cleat on one of my cycling shoes came out :( |
| 16:04.20 | Nidhoggr | bummer, capt. :( |
| 16:04.36 | Nidhoggr | I just bought new walking shoes the other day... 130 bucks. :( |
| 16:04.49 | brlcad | really? I took all of mine out on purpose (they are track sprint cleats) |
| 16:04.53 | Nidhoggr | same exact type I had before... which lasted me 6 years. |
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| 16:05.08 | patlabor221 | you would think you could find the screw and just get one |
| 16:05.13 | patlabor221 | it has to be a common ocurence |
| 16:05.31 | Nidhoggr | you'd think |
| 16:05.41 | captain_proton | i've never had this happen before... |
| 16:05.50 | brlcad | if they can be unscrewed and taken out, you get buy new ones |
| 16:06.31 | brlcad | hehe, want me to mail you one of my old worn-down nubbies? :) |
| 16:07.33 | Nidhoggr | reminds me of a song |
| 16:07.35 | captain_proton | heh |
| 16:07.50 | Nidhoggr | o/~ work your fingers to the bone, whaddaya get? o/~ |
| 16:07.51 | captain_proton | i want you to mail me all the siggraph stuff ;) |
| 16:10.06 | patlabor221 | use the jedi mind trick cap |
| 16:10.52 | captain_proton | ...you want to mail me the siggraph stuff... |
| 16:11.37 | brlcad | you.. want to mail me the siggraph stuff... |
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| 16:21.32 | bryjen | gotta watch dem pronouns... |
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| 16:28.55 | bryjen | busy back at work, o rejoining one? |
| 16:31.24 | patlabor221 | as long as it's not the "red pill/blue pill" song |
| 16:33.30 | Spiff | The song is called "Sleeping Awake"... very cool actually. |
| 16:33.37 | Spiff | Tell me if this works, would ya? |
| 16:33.40 | Spiff | http://condir.mp3.com/Rollingstone/21926.asx?mob=AQEAhFCFD4OIQUVdRc4.Q6ZVAABEXUXOPoARZ3NleAWRln2bhFgNw2SSXg-- |
| 16:35.52 | brlcad | I've been shot |
| 16:35.58 | Spiff | Okies... |
| 16:36.10 | Spiff | If ya stick this URL in your Win Media player.. it should play the video... |
| 16:36.13 | Spiff | http://condir.mp3.com/Rollingstone/21745.asx?mob=AQEAhFCFD4OIQUXZ88w.Q_FUAABE2fPMPoARexiV1QtypUMryUPc7Xg5Hg-- |
| 16:37.28 | bryjen | :) |
| 16:37.49 | Spiff | LoL |
| 16:38.09 | Spiff | Sorry... couldn't seem to get the URL for the Quicktime feed. Bleh. Besides... it's tiny. |
| 16:39.40 | bryjen | brlcad: do you feel un-fazed ? |
| 16:39.43 | patlabor221 | that was a very nice windows XP add |
| 16:39.53 | Spiff | Yeah.. the second URL should do it tho. |
| 16:40.21 | patlabor221 | just so you know, there are not many here with windows. |
| 16:41.02 | patlabor221 | ohh yeah that was one of the credts songs |
| 16:41.06 | patlabor221 | and one in the trailer. |
| 16:41.31 | patlabor221 | 'taint no juno reactor tho |
| 16:41.36 | Spiff | Yes.. I know that. But some of us do have Win.. ;-) |
| 16:41.42 | Spiff | I like the video tho.. hehe. |
| 16:41.52 | patlabor221 | you should watch the movie |
| 16:41.53 | brlcad | BURN THEM! |
| 16:41.57 | brlcad | *ahem* |
| 16:42.04 | patlabor221 | wrong hot key? |
| 16:42.21 | brlcad | nope, it was the right one |
| 16:42.51 | brlcad | applies to both windows and backup tapes ;) |
| 16:43.09 | Spiff | Hehehe. |
| 16:43.18 | Spiff | At least burn Win ME. Blech. |
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| 16:43.29 | KR | hi all |
| 16:43.35 | brlcad | hi k |
| 16:43.35 | patlabor221 | I keep telling you to replace that thing |
| 16:43.42 | Spiff | Shaddap. :P |
| 16:43.43 | Spiff | LoL |
| 16:43.46 | Spiff | Hiya KR. :-) |
| 16:44.02 | KR | whats up in #bzflag land today? |
| 16:44.04 | patlabor221 | but you keep waiting for some mystical planetary convergance, or something like that :) |
| 16:44.39 | Spiff | Yeah.. but I keep hearing this voice "build it and they will come..." |
| 16:45.23 | Spiff | The fact is.. Win ME isn't bad...... if all you do is use IE to surf the net. Pff. |
| 16:45.40 | patlabor221 | no, no ME is bad |
| 16:45.44 | patlabor221 | even MS says so |
| 16:45.54 | Spiff | Otherwise.. it's practically useless. I get sick of the frequent blue screens when I run lots of apps. |
| 16:46.01 | patlabor221 | so replace it |
| 16:46.23 | Spiff | Well.. those times aren't all that frequent. I need some $$ before I can go buy it anyway.. hehe. |
| 16:46.26 | KR | I added a comment on to the "Tug of War" idea |
| 16:46.34 | Spiff | Groovacious, KR. :-) |
| 16:46.43 | KR | Spiff, you are enough of a geek, start using Linux :) |
| 16:46.48 | KR | lol |
| 16:47.00 | Spiff | ;-) |
| 16:47.08 | KR | both ;) |
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| 16:47.34 | brlcad | it's an insulting compliment |
| 16:47.45 | KR | there ya go :) |
| 16:47.52 | brlcad | or a complimentary insult, never remember which :) |
| 16:47.54 | Spiff | Hmmm. Thanks.. I think. |
| 16:48.10 | KR | complisult? inlemantary? |
| 16:48.27 | Spiff | Well.. I unno... maybe someday I'll get Linux. :-) |
| 16:49.03 | bryjen | pay not attention to the mac user. His mind is weakened by prolonged exposure to gooey interfaces. :) |
| 16:49.09 | KR | the insult part is that you need to be told to *start* using Linux - you aresmart enuff to figger that out by yourself :) |
| 16:49.13 | brlcad | bah, you'll never get it with an attitude like that :) |
| 16:49.54 | KR | lol - a Mac friend last nigt was telling me how his OS had lots of pretty pictures and buttons to do stuff with |
| 16:49.55 | patlabor221 | you won't like it spiff, it won't run those asf streams :) |
| 16:50.10 | Spiff | Pffffff! I'll HATE it then. :-P |
| 16:50.17 | patlabor221 | buttons rock! |
| 16:50.26 | Spiff | There's no way I'm giving up all of these cool music video's and stuff. |
| 16:50.29 | bryjen | Ewww. Emacs. so you're mind is not weak, just deranged |
| 16:50.30 | KR | powerbuttons for powerusers |
| 16:51.00 | patlabor221 | and i don't think that gaim will do your yahoo/msn stuff the way your used to |
| 16:51.37 | Spiff | Pfffffffff. Ok.. I hate Linux. :-P LoL |
| 16:51.40 | KR | but you know that the user will adapt to the interface, spifffy :) |
| 16:51.47 | patlabor221 | it's not to hate, it's just difrent |
| 16:51.50 | KR | so start adapting, bro :) |
| 16:51.53 | Spiff | I don't wanna! *cries* |
| 16:51.54 | Spiff | Hehe. |
| 16:52.09 | Spiff | I wouldn't mind having a Linux machine... but I want Windows as well. |
| 16:52.20 | bryjen | <parental voice> You'll try it, and you'll like it! </> |
| 16:52.20 | patlabor221 | that's like asking chika to NOT use AOL |
| 16:52.22 | Spiff | Windows is priority #1 for now. :-) Gotta love that media. ;-) |
| 16:52.22 | KR | get the Crossover plugins, you can use that crinkly windows stuff still |
| 16:52.40 | KR | you can have both - dual-boot |
| 16:53.34 | patlabor221 | yeah you can allways dualboot |
| 16:53.56 | Spiff | Ahhh whatever. :-) You're not gonna convince me.. at least not until I have my own PC to play with/destroy at will. :-) |
| 16:53.57 | patlabor221 | tho you will want to get more ram |
| 16:54.34 | bryjen | Who is Will? Any why do all these bad things happen at him? |
| 16:55.00 | patlabor221 | will sits in the end cube in the next row over |
| 16:57.05 | patlabor221 | this is his website, http://wil.bakadigital.com/ |
| 16:59.13 | Spiff | P.O.D. is never gonna be the same now that Marco is gone. :-( |
| 16:59.33 | Spiff | I don't care if they *sound* the same.. man... he was coooooooool. |
| 17:01.53 | Spiff | Does DivX screw up any OS other than Win ME? |
| 17:02.17 | Spiff | on any OS other than Win ME ^ |
| 17:06.59 | patlabor221 | are you using WMP to play the movies? |
| 17:12.56 | Spiff | Depends on the movies. |
| 17:13.28 | Spiff | DivX is my default .avi player... but it seems that the latest WMP plays them better on ME. |
| 17:13.37 | Spiff | DivX seems a little buggy at times. |
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| 17:18.12 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:23.17 | patlabor221 | you mean "the playa" ? |
| 17:23.22 | patlabor221 | cus divix is just a codec |
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| 17:27.20 | fiberchunks | you are the playa |
| 17:29.59 | tea|tree_ | u |
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| 17:35.04 | patlabor221 | I am? |
| 17:36.00 | fiberchunks | you are |
| 17:36.22 | patlabor221 | damn, who woulda thunk it |
| 17:36.26 | fiberchunks | that's what I heard anyway |
| 17:36.29 | fiberchunks | coulda been lies |
| 17:36.31 | fiberchunks | ;) |
| 17:36.47 | fiberchunks | whee! my 9x12 intuos2 comes in a couple o days :) |
| 17:36.54 | patlabor221 | did you hear it from me? cus I lie ALLL the freaking time. |
| 17:37.09 | bryjen | I thought patlabor221 was "The Man" |
| 17:37.20 | patlabor221 | no cap is the man |
| 17:37.28 | fiberchunks | aka tempestuousJones <<< the playa |
| 17:37.37 | bryjen | And who's "The FIST" |
| 17:37.46 | fiberchunks | and I'm still amazed that you spelled tempestuous properly ;) |
| 17:37.59 | patlabor221 | I think the postion of "the fist" is open at this point. |
| 17:38.05 | patlabor221 | like I say, copy and paste. |
| 17:38.09 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 17:38.18 | bryjen | then its just "The Hand" |
| 17:38.28 | fiberchunks | Mr. Hand, if you please |
| 17:39.18 | patlabor221 | http://rumandmonkey.com/widgets/toys/ghetto/ |
| 17:40.02 | Spiff | Yes, Patlabor.. the player. :-) |
| 17:40.29 | fiberchunks | lol, mine is 'Ass Machine MG' |
| 17:40.41 | fiberchunks | which is disturbingly fitting |
| 17:41.55 | Spiff | Mr. Hand, eh? |
| 17:42.07 | patlabor221 | you can use WMP to play them too |
| 17:42.10 | Spiff | Wasn't he one of the queer guys in Diamonds Are Forever? :-P |
| 17:42.46 | Spiff | Yes, Patlabor. It seems to me that the DivX player is buggy. It crashes for no reason at times.. and the video quality seems a little worse because it runs slower. |
| 17:42.58 | bryjen | Peeping Joe? |
| 17:43.59 | fiberchunks | that is a hilarious website, I'm doing the survivalist quiz now |
| 17:44.38 | fiberchunks | apparently, I am the kid I hated at school |
| 17:45.08 | fiberchunks | Spiff: no, Mr. Hand was the teacher in Fast Times at Ridgemont High |
| 17:48.46 | Spiff | Ic Ic. Methinks the dude from James Bond shares that name tho.. LoL. |
| 17:48.49 | Spiff | Quite scary. |
| 17:49.18 | fiberchunks | lol, 'I'm a chunder monkey - fear my technicolor yawn' |
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| 17:49.36 | bryjen | har. try cap's name. |
| 17:52.01 | fiberchunks | munchi teapot ? |
| 17:52.19 | Spiff | In some countries it's impolite *not* to burp after your meal. ;-) |
| 17:52.21 | Chestal | linking in debug mode takes forever |
| 17:53.17 | patlabor221 | spiff, you don't have to use that player app, you may also want to see if there is a newer version. |
| 17:54.16 | Spiff | Yeah.. thankfully. Sadly.. I have the latest. :( |
| 17:56.13 | bryjen | whoops. one of the pop-up tripped the smut blocker. loverly |
| 17:57.02 | fiberchunks | tsk tsk |
| 17:58.20 | patlabor221 | my friend's name came out "Doctor Teapot, Yo" |
| 17:59.17 | bryjen | davidtrowbridge |
| 18:00.16 | Chestal | waah, obserevr keys are not working |
| 18:04.20 | bryjen | working here. not --enable-debug tho. maybe not the latest code either... lemme check |
| 18:05.12 | bryjen | snapshots not too old |
| 18:08.08 | fiberchunks | patlabor221: you ever read the articles on that site? I'm rolling right now -- too funny |
| 18:10.48 | bryjen | observer movement keys work for me. have to use control+arrow to rotate view tho |
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| 18:12.59 | JBDiGriz | not fast enough |
| 18:13.04 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 18:13.07 | Chikorita | uh huh |
| 18:13.15 | Chikorita | missed mee |
| 18:13.23 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 18:13.37 | brlcad | are you slippery again chika? |
| 18:13.39 | Chikorita | mm |
| 18:13.40 | Chikorita | bbl |
| 18:15.44 | brlcad | yep, slippery |
| 18:16.05 | JBDiGriz | "fast" women |
| 18:18.46 | fiberchunks | LOL: http://rumandmonkey.com/articles/article.php?read=157 |
| 18:25.03 | Bagheera | ha....haha..........hahhaha......................hahahahahahahhahahaha......................lolfof |
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| 18:26.36 | Bagheera | its worth a read...... |
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| 18:33.18 | Nidhoggr | hrm... admin functions still broken. I joined the server, forgot to /identify and it still let me add an ip to the banlist. |
| 18:34.54 | Chestal | Nid: compiled from latest 1.7? |
| 18:35.00 | Nidhoggr | yes |
| 18:35.06 | Nidhoggr | as of yesterday morning. |
| 18:35.35 | Chestal | hmm, can you check the source? src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx in function addPlayer() |
| 18:36.08 | Nidhoggr | sure. |
| 18:36.54 | Nidhoggr | what am I looking for? |
| 18:37.16 | Chestal | there should be a couple lines like player[playerIndex].accessInfo.loginAttempts = 0; |
| 18:37.22 | brlcad | fiberchunks: !!! |
| 18:37.31 | brlcad | where did you find that?! |
| 18:38.03 | Nidhoggr | player[playerIndex].ulinkup = false; |
| 18:38.03 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.03 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.03 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:38.56 | patlabor221 | look for groups.clear |
| 18:39.00 | patlabor221 | in remove player |
| 18:39.18 | patlabor221 | or groups.clear in add player before groups.push_back("Default") |
| 18:39.31 | Chestal | yes, a clear should be right after the lines you pasted |
| 18:39.33 | Nidhoggr | it's not there. |
| 18:39.42 | patlabor221 | then you got the bad code |
| 18:39.52 | patlabor221 | let me give you my bzfs.cxx |
| 18:39.52 | Chestal | actually, a few lines down |
| 18:40.09 | Nidhoggr | let me just biff the whole tree and re download |
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| 18:53.19 | fiberchunks | brlcad: followed a link from herr patlabor221 |
| 18:53.24 | fiberchunks | you like? |
| 18:54.34 | brlcad | me like |
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| 19:10.04 | Nidhoggr | I downloaded the newest stuff from cvs, and I still don't see groups.clear |
| 19:10.14 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.14 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.14 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.00 | Nidhoggr | sourceforge is annoying sometimes. |
| 19:12.11 | Nidhoggr | patlabor221, your bzfs.cxx is for 1.7? |
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| 19:22.31 | brlcad | hehe.. /set poll 12345678 |
| 19:24.17 | JBDiGriz | Have you looked at the warnings from MacWindows.cxx? |
| 19:24.57 | brlcad | looked i have not |
| 19:26.10 | JBDiGriz | I'll have to play around when I get home. Apparently the original port glossed over some things. |
| 19:26.37 | JBDiGriz | Part of it also looks like the size of screen/window assumptions. |
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| 19:27.55 | JBDiGriz | The "fast" woman has returned. |
| 19:27.57 | brlcad | yea, I noticed that some time back |
| 19:30.04 | Chikorita | bbl |
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| 19:54.56 | bryjen | Nidhoggr: i've got a tar ball of the fixed 1.7 tree |
| 19:57.28 | Nidhoggr | cool can you dcc? |
| 19:59.07 | bryjen | No DCC. |
| 19:59.43 | Nidhoggr | anywhere you can stick it? |
| 19:59.48 | bryjen | Egads, It's HUGE!! WTF is in this, brlcad? |
| 20:00.03 | bryjen | Mac build junk. Ugh. |
| 20:01.07 | bryjen | Lemme see |
| 20:01.32 | Nidhoggr | I can give you a temp ftp acct if you need it. |
| 20:02.04 | bryjen | I've got a spot. just trying to trim this mess down |
| 20:02.11 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 20:03.13 | bryjen | http://bryjen.bzflag.org:8080/~bzserve/bzflag-1.7g3.tar.bz2 |
| 20:03.38 | Nidhoggr | cool, thanks. :) |
| 20:04.08 | bryjen | welcome |
| 20:04.39 | bryjen | hmmm |
| 20:04.57 | Nidhoggr | 175K/sec |
| 20:05.00 | Nidhoggr | not too shabby. |
| 20:05.21 | TimRiker | "fixed 1.7 tree" ? |
| 20:05.45 | bryjen | TimRiker: 1.7g3 that's newer than what you can get via anon CVS |
| 20:06.18 | bryjen | TimRiker: learner fetched it and made a tar for me the other day |
| 20:07.12 | bryjen | s/what you can get/what us non-developers can get |
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| 20:10.27 | TimRiker | cvs up -r v1_7 on anon cvs should get you 1.7g3 |
| 20:11.05 | TimRiker | I did a few small changes to it recently that might not be there, but nothing to important. |
| 20:11.14 | Nidhoggr | Tim, some changes that Patlabor221 made the other day are not in the current cvs... namely the stuff to fix admin permissions issues. |
| 20:11.44 | Nidhoggr | I saw him put them in, the the code is not in the bzfs.cxx |
| 20:15.02 | bryjen | shouldn't "make clean" remove all the .o object files? |
| 20:15.22 | Nidhoggr | it should |
| 20:16.56 | patlabor221 | want me just to send you my bzfs.cxx? |
| 20:17.07 | Nidhoggr | I got the whole thing |
| 20:17.09 | Nidhoggr | and it's compiled |
| 20:17.11 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 20:17.14 | Nidhoggr | thanks |
| 20:17.31 | bryjen | you're welcome :) |
| 20:17.35 | Nidhoggr | somehow that change needs to get into cvs. :( |
| 20:18.26 | bryjen | it's there. i think sourceforge's anonymous cvs is still b0rken |
| 20:18.45 | Nidhoggr | I haven't seen it in a long time when it wasn't broken. :( |
| 20:18.50 | patlabor221 | ohh I think it is, it's just not in anon |
| 20:18.57 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 20:19.00 | Nidhoggr | that's stupid. |
| 20:19.07 | patlabor221 | anon is not updating old tags i think |
| 20:19.33 | patlabor221 | and you were trying to get the V1_7 tag? not the V1_7g2 tag? |
| 20:20.11 | Nidhoggr | yes |
| 20:20.22 | bryjen | i looked with the web cvs browser thingy the other day, tag v1_7 |
| 20:21.17 | bryjen | and again just now. the last entry for bzfs.cxx in Tim on Aug 25 |
| 20:21.27 | Nidhoggr | I'm glad that people here can be patient with me. I'm high maintenance. :) |
| 20:21.33 | bryjen | s/in Tim/is Tim |
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| 20:41.14 | Nidhoggr | ack! now I am sleepy after lunch. |
| 20:43.22 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: ahh. didn't notice those go into 1.7 |
| 20:43.58 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: got an SF account? |
| 20:47.13 | Nidhoggr | yes |
| 20:47.44 | TimRiker | ;-) |
| 20:48.04 | Nidhoggr | login cjmandrake |
| 20:48.18 | TimRiker | we could just add anyone that needs updated cvs access. just don't break anything. |
| 20:48.33 | Nidhoggr | I will just co :) |
| 20:53.27 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: added to the project. don't commit anything without asking others here. well, at least for now. |
| 20:53.29 | TimRiker | ;-) |
| 20:53.51 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 20:54.17 | Nidhoggr | w000 I'm listed as a tester. :) |
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| 21:02.21 | Nidhoggr | I had a HUGE seafood and avocado sub for lunch. |
| 21:03.32 | TimRiker | Hornigh? |
| 21:03.56 | TyroneFHornigh | Wanna Walnetto? |
| 21:04.28 | Nidhoggr | http://www.dragon.org/mandrake/rack.jpg top one is secretplace and middle one is dragon.org. :) |
| 21:11.50 | bryjen | tall rack or short cameraperson ? |
| 21:12.13 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (Region.cxx): splitting Region fixed. Should fix bot going inside buildings |
| 21:12.19 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 21:12.35 | Bagheera | ~dict paranoia |
| 21:12.54 | Bagheera | blew that one |
| 21:13.07 | bryjen | bots not allowed indoors? If Spiff was here he'd point out the discrimination |
| 21:13.39 | Tupone | but there are no door actually |
| 21:14.55 | Nidhoggr | tall rack and short cameraperson :) |
| 21:15.50 | Nidhoggr | spoogebob joined as Donkey Punch!! |
| 21:15.54 | Nidhoggr | on secretplace. |
| 21:16.04 | Nidhoggr | he got banned twice in about 15 minutes. |
| 21:16.11 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.58 | Tupone | bryjen: a song? |
| 21:17.17 | bryjen | Yeah. a line from a song |
| 21:17.33 | Tupone | which one? |
| 21:17.46 | bryjen | you had to ask the hard question ;) |
| 21:18.01 | Tupone | forget:) |
| 21:21.08 | bryjen | Life's Been Good by the Eagles |
| 21:21.55 | Nidhoggr | spooge is one guy from Richardson TX. |
| 21:22.02 | Nidhoggr | and a few copycats. |
| 21:22.08 | TyroneFHornigh | There have been several spooge's around. It doesn't seem like they're coordinated. |
| 21:22.30 | Nidhoggr | I've tracked IPs for quite some time... all from the same provider/city. |
| 21:22.38 | Nidhoggr | except for a few. |
| 21:22.46 | Nidhoggr | 90% are the same guy. |
| 21:22.48 | bryjen | coordinated antisocials ? |
| 21:23.03 | TyroneFHornigh | I'm surprised the TX guy dared to show up again, after you posted his name. |
| 21:23.04 | Nidhoggr | I have his name. addy. email, and phone number. |
| 21:23.19 | Nidhoggr | he may not be visiting the forums. |
| 21:23.25 | Nidhoggr | I did email him before, though. |
| 21:23.43 | Nidhoggr | and there were no visits for months. |
| 21:23.54 | Nidhoggr | now he's bored again, it seems. |
| 21:25.23 | Nidhoggr | I just verified his name/phone # using google. |
| 21:25.24 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:26.20 | Bagheera | alrighty then.... |
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| 21:38.57 | Nidhoggr | how hard would it be to make bzflag do reverse lookups and ban based on hostmask? |
| 21:39.36 | patlabor221 | mow much money ya got? |
| 21:39.46 | Nidhoggr | about 50 cents ;) |
| 21:42.04 | Bagheera | i will double that |
| 21:42.18 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 21:45.09 | TyroneFHornigh | wait a couple of days until pat is getting bored, his rates go down. ;) |
| 21:49.15 | Bagheera | yeah, but he gets mean then........... ;) |
| 21:53.28 | patlabor221 | ohh I'm bored now |
| 21:53.30 | patlabor221 | big time |
| 21:53.47 | Bagheera | run for cover.... |
| 21:53.55 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:54.47 | TyroneFHornigh | It's a little bit of hackery to recognize it's not an IP address and add the code. |
| 21:55.15 | Bagheera | one kluge is as good as another |
| 21:55.20 | patlabor221 | but I'm working on something incredibly silly |
| 21:55.43 | Bagheera | i feel your pain |
| 21:55.43 | TyroneFHornigh | How could you be bored when working on something "incredibly silly"? |
| 21:56.15 | bryjen | ~dict silly |
| 21:56.24 | Bagheera | classification of silly = "what do you mean the coop can't do it" |
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| 21:58.07 | TyroneFHornigh | Did someone take bag's keyboard and replace it with dvorak today? |
| 21:58.33 | patlabor221 | http://patlabor221.bakadigital.com/thedesk/ |
| 22:00.51 | Bagheera | no, but tanner makes me think that way |
| 22:01.14 | Bagheera | nice desk, but where is the window? |
| 22:01.24 | patlabor221 | behind me, you can see it in the upper left |
| 22:01.33 | patlabor221 | sorry upper right |
| 22:02.18 | TyroneFHornigh | I thought I saw windows there somewhere ;^) |
| 22:02.46 | Nidhoggr | I should take a pic of my desk at work. |
| 22:03.10 | TyroneFHornigh | This will be the next 28 page discussion on centrum. |
| 22:03.23 | Nidhoggr | I always stream my desk when I am testing quicktime at work. |
| 22:03.54 | patlabor221 | I should post it in images |
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| 22:04.53 | patlabor221 | thats "up" right? |
| 22:05.00 | bzgirl | hello baggy :) |
| 22:05.07 | TyroneFHornigh | northeast, pat. |
| 22:05.16 | Bagheera | up north...yep...... |
| 22:05.31 | TyroneFHornigh | up tends to be towards planes, clouds, and various planets. |
| 22:06.11 | Nidhoggr | there is a pic of me at my old desk back in 2000 at www.dragon.org/mandrake |
| 22:06.16 | Bagheera | what was the name of that movie with the two beer drinking canadians.....very off the wall funny..... |
| 22:06.18 | Nidhoggr | I haven't changed much since then. |
| 22:06.23 | bryjen | canada in on this planet ? |
| 22:06.33 | bryjen | s/in/is |
| 22:06.33 | Nidhoggr | loosly speaking |
| 22:06.38 | TyroneFHornigh | Rick Moranis was in it, check imdb |
| 22:07.44 | Bagheera | the mckenzie brothers....???? |
| 22:08.09 | bryjen | http://patlabor221.bakadigital.com/thedesk/fortune.jpg "A message from a distance is coming" as you sit on IRC. Hmmm |
| 22:08.11 | Bagheera | hooser, eh |
| 22:08.32 | patlabor221 | I like how I'm going to acheve perfection soon |
| 22:10.16 | Bagheera | i tend to think there are a few 60's births in here.......too many 70-80's references |
| 22:10.44 | TyroneFHornigh | nid's wrong |
| 22:10.45 | Bagheera | dang, and you can still type!!! |
| 22:10.52 | Nidhoggr | :-P |
| 22:10.58 | Nidhoggr | how old are you tyrone? |
| 22:11.07 | TyroneFHornigh | heh heh heh |
| 22:11.33 | Bagheera | age is a state of mind, in which case i should be buried already |
| 22:12.08 | TimRiker | patlabor221: got the x-box controllers hooked up to a pc? |
| 22:12.10 | TyroneFHornigh | First you have to figure out the reference, and the time frame. |
| 22:13.12 | bryjen | http://www.rowanandmartinslaughin.com/arte.html |
| 22:13.32 | TyroneFHornigh | Good start. |
| 22:13.33 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:13.42 | bryjen | One friggin hit from yahoo |
| 22:13.53 | TyroneFHornigh | At least you didn't hit me over the head with a purse. |
| 22:14.07 | Nidhoggr | hahahahaha! |
| 22:14.14 | patlabor221 | they are pluged in, but the drivers didn't work |
| 22:14.24 | patlabor221 | I wired into a real USB cable |
| 22:15.01 | Nidhoggr | I'd have to change my name to Gladys, to do that. |
| 22:15.06 | Nidhoggr | and buy a purse. |
| 22:17.06 | bryjen | I have a rather large cloth tool kit. Not sure if I could swing it high enough. And if I could, you'd be soooooory :) |
| 22:18.44 | Legolas | cya |
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| 22:30.10 | Chikorita | hi all |
| 22:30.48 | Chikorita | umm |
| 22:31.02 | Nidhoggr | hi |
| 22:31.47 | Chikorita | hi nid |
| 22:32.05 | TyroneFHornigh | hi |
| 22:32.22 | Chikorita | hi |
| 22:32.25 | Chikorita | jaybee? |
| 22:32.53 | Chikorita | hehee |
| 22:33.42 | Chikorita | hmm interestin nick u have there |
| 22:33.49 | bzgirl | hi Chikorita |
| 22:33.56 | Chikorita | hi bzgirl :) |
| 22:39.52 | Chestal | hi, just using movix to watch TOS episodes here :-) |
| 22:40.03 | Tupone | Chestal: fixed |
| 22:40.16 | Chestal | Tupone: ah? can you explain it in a few words? |
| 22:40.46 | TimRiker | Life's Been Good - Joe Walsh. |
| 22:40.53 | Tupone | splitting was exactly near an ege |
| 22:41.07 | Tupone | so it was not sure being left or right |
| 22:41.22 | Tupone | there was already a test for < 1.0e-5 |
| 22:41.32 | Tupone | but it was not sufficient |
| 22:41.36 | TimRiker | I go to parties, sometimes until four / It's hard to leave when you can't find the door / |
| 22:42.10 | bzgirl | :) |
| 22:42.25 | Tupone | I just rewrote remembering the direction: no comparison with 1.0e-5 but between boolean |
| 22:43.36 | Chestal | Tupone: hmm, not qutie sure I understand, but I'll ask tomorrow :-) already in CVS? |
| 22:43.47 | Tupone | yeah |
| 22:44.17 | Tupone | the 2nd obstacle was divided in 2 , |
| 22:44.35 | Tupone | 1 piece split a region, the other split another region |
| 22:44.39 | TyroneFHornigh | Weren't you discussing the FP issue with learner a while back? |
| 22:44.58 | Tupone | Me? |
| 22:45.02 | TyroneFHornigh | ches |
| 22:45.40 | Tupone | the point of splitting was exactly the same |
| 22:46.00 | Tupone | so the corner was not left or right, but just in the "splitter" |
| 22:46.35 | Tupone | Yeah, tomorrow |
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| 23:40.33 | Chikorita | Goodnite all |
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