| 00:00.46 | learner | -badwordlist is news to me.. |
| 00:01.04 | learner | Nidhoggr: what are you talking about |
| 00:01.12 | learner | brb |
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| 01:11.38 | JBDiGriz | No problems with the new config on a mac. |
| 01:12.48 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/BZ/19/ has a current windows build |
| 01:20.29 | bryjen | arg. i'm still getting all kinds of complaints about VotingArbiter.h when trying to build from a snapshot. bzflag-2003-09-17-18.58.00.tar.gz |
| 01:21.07 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.00 | learner | like what? |
| 01:22.24 | bryjen | quite a lot. it scrolls wildly |
| 01:22.55 | learner | okay, what's the first one |
| 01:22.57 | bryjen | i'm guessing its a snapshot issue |
| 01:23.04 | Patlabor221 | dosnt' navi do the snaps? |
| 01:23.15 | bryjen | lemme rerun and catch em |
| 01:23.16 | captain_proton | babylonia does the snaps |
| 01:23.26 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 01:24.54 | bryjen | ah |
| 01:25.55 | bryjen | In file included from VotingArbiter.h:20, |
| 01:25.57 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.58 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.00 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.01 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.03 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.05 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.06 | bryjen | VotingArbiter.h:20:10: #include nested too deeply |
| 01:26.53 | learner | odd.. it's caught in a recursive #include loop it sounds |
| 01:27.46 | bryjen | ack. |
| 01:27.58 | bryjen | VotingArbiter.h includes itself? |
| 01:28.10 | learner | no, which is what's odd |
| 01:28.17 | bryjen | mine seems to |
| 01:28.32 | learner | line 20 is where the VotingBooth.h is included |
| 01:28.41 | bryjen | not here |
| 01:28.50 | learner | Um |
| 01:28.57 | learner | it's supposed to be... |
| 01:29.30 | learner | can you post src/bzfs/VotingArbiter.h somewhere? |
| 01:29.38 | learner | or e-mail it to me |
| 01:30.04 | bryjen | my line 20 is #include "VotingArbiter.h" |
| 01:30.10 | learner | that's bogus |
| 01:30.26 | bryjen | Ok |
| 01:30.36 | learner | it's never been that.. |
| 01:30.44 | learner | what is 21? |
| 01:31.05 | bryjen | blank lines for 19 & 21 |
| 01:31.36 | JBDiGriz | pat, if you have room for a mac build, i can provide one |
| 01:31.47 | Patlabor221 | ohh sure |
| 01:31.54 | Patlabor221 | asgard has gigs free |
| 01:31.59 | learner | niet, that is wrong bryjen.. |
| 01:32.05 | learner | wierdnesss |
| 01:32.07 | bryjen | learner: grab http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/bzflag-2003-09-17-18.58.00.tar.gz |
| 01:32.22 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/bzflag/src/bzfs |
| 01:32.26 | Patlabor221 | well unless BZG has filled it will a masive amount of illegal MP3s in an atempt to get me arested by the RIAA |
| 01:32.35 | learner | lol |
| 01:32.46 | Patlabor221 | but I don't think so :) |
| 01:32.54 | JBDiGriz | She claims that it is completely legal, and has nothing to fear from the Canadian RIAA ;^) |
| 01:33.12 | learner | shame the server isn't in Canada :) |
| 01:33.24 | bryjen | Canadian Recording Industry Association of America ? |
| 01:33.53 | learner | there could be such a beast |
| 01:33.55 | JBDiGriz | yes bry, Canada is still in North America. They haven't seceded from the continent yet. ;^) |
| 01:34.32 | bzgirl | JBDiGriz: dont be so sure |
| 01:34.40 | bryjen | Get out. Are we charging them rent? ;) |
| 01:35.00 | JBDiGriz | Of course, bzg called it the RRIA, so excuse me. |
| 01:35.13 | bzgirl | oh did i spell it wrong? |
| 01:35.15 | bzgirl | heh |
| 01:35.23 | JBDiGriz | We don't own the continent, despite what our president thinks. |
| 01:36.48 | Patlabor221 | he thinks? |
| 01:37.01 | learner | Many people in central and south america are offended by most gringos' perception of "America" |
| 01:37.30 | bryjen | norte americanos. de los EEUU |
| 01:37.38 | JBDiGriz | Does gringos include the Canadians, or are they being overly inclusive as well? |
| 01:38.43 | learner | Gringo: "I'm an American" Hispano: "Yo tambien, estupido" |
| 01:38.55 | learner | hehe, it's rather funny to watch tourists |
| 01:39.21 | learner | gringo == "where the green grows" hence non-Canadians :D |
| 01:39.38 | JBDiGriz | It's rather funny to watch the tourists around here as well, and I'm in Los Estados Unidos |
| 01:39.47 | Patlabor221 | canada has a lot of green |
| 01:39.59 | learner | hehe |
| 01:40.12 | JBDiGriz | It's certainly greener than So Cal. ;^) |
| 01:41.12 | learner | it's also referred to as "green go home" -- referring to the GIs |
| 01:41.54 | JBDiGriz | When we have bumper stickers for the tanks, one of mine will be "Death Valley: where the green grows". |
| 01:42.40 | bryjen | Ok. so my VotingArbiter.h doesn't look like yours, but it looks alot like my VotingArbiter.cxx |
| 01:42.41 | learner | That needs to get in 1.12 :) |
| 01:42.58 | bryjen | uh yeah. |
| 01:43.20 | Patlabor221 | yeah for 1.11 i' |
| 01:43.31 | Patlabor221 | for 1.11 I'll be replacing the modeling thing |
| 01:43.37 | learner | woo hoo |
| 01:43.42 | Patlabor221 | and hopefully the texture system |
| 01:44.05 | bryjen | wtf goes on here |
| 01:46.31 | learner | yea, I just checked cvs log.. VotingArbiter.h has never included itself |
| 01:47.07 | bryjen | my .h appears to be a near copy of the .cxx one line difference |
| 01:47.11 | Patlabor221 | is there a way to list all users on linux? |
| 01:47.25 | bryjen | cat /etc/passwd |
| 01:51.30 | bryjen | or who |
| 01:51.57 | bryjen | 1st is the accounts list, second the currently logged in users |
| 01:54.18 | bryjen | and now it works |
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| 02:00.13 | SGI | hello |
| 02:00.17 | learner | hello, sgi |
| 02:00.27 | bryjen | hi |
| 02:02.15 | bzgirl | ~d |
| 02:03.00 | JBDiGriz | learner: did you change the version number in the project? I didn't change it for this build, and I haven't figured out how to grab it from the file yet. |
| 02:03.32 | learner | negative sir |
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| 02:04.15 | JBDiGriz | Oh well, the one pat just posted will have the wrong version in the get info, but the right version in the name. |
| 02:04.19 | SGI | Sir JBDigriz |
| 02:04.25 | Patlabor221X2 | heh |
| 02:04.28 | SGI | nice |
| 02:04.30 | Patlabor221X2 | they will live |
| 02:04.38 | Patlabor221X2 | we know we have to do another 1.9.3 anyway |
| 02:04.49 | JBDiGriz | It's not an official release anyways ;^) |
| 02:05.51 | Patlabor221X2 | yeah but it would be nice to test the entire shebang |
| 02:06.14 | bzgirl | bryjen: who made the map on your server? |
| 02:07.47 | SGI | new maps |
| 02:07.55 | SGI | where |
| 02:09.44 | Patlabor221X2 | can anyone make RPMs, DEBS, and a source tarball for 1.9.2 for me? |
| 02:11.08 | bryjen | bzgirl: the headache map is Koba/Bagheera |
| 02:11.17 | bzgirl | ahh |
| 02:11.19 | bzgirl | ok |
| 02:11.34 | bryjen | i grabbed it from the maps section on bzbb |
| 02:12.01 | Patlabor221X2 | that one wasn't horible |
| 02:12.17 | bryjen | faint praise |
| 02:12.30 | Patlabor221X2 | I sugested that he flip his "water" pyramids upside down so you could drive on them :) |
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| 02:12.49 | bryjen | makes no difference for 1.7 |
| 02:12.49 | Patlabor221X2 | well I think my map sucks, so not horible is good :) |
| 02:12.55 | Patlabor221X2 | it will for 1.9 |
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| 02:13.06 | Patlabor221X2 | but that's why it was only a sugestion |
| 02:13.07 | bryjen | patience |
| 02:13.20 | bryjen | don't _you_ mean 1.10 ? ;) |
| 02:13.46 | Patlabor221X2 | no, I want to play the map in a 1.9.x testing build |
| 02:13.52 | Patlabor221X2 | :P |
| 02:14.14 | Patlabor221X2 | I am very dextrous :) |
| 02:14.28 | Patlabor221X2 | probably even MALTO-dextrous |
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| 02:15.36 | bryjen | malto? |
| 02:16.09 | Patlabor221X2 | I saw it on the side of a candy bar, figured it was good. |
| 02:16.12 | Patlabor221X2 | cus the candy was |
| 02:17.52 | Patlabor221X2 | what is the make comand to make a source tarball |
| 02:17.55 | bryjen | hmmm... dextrous... dextrose... |
| 02:17.55 | Patlabor221X2 | make maintainer? |
| 02:18.07 | Patlabor221X2 | ahhh somone gets the joke :) |
| 02:18.22 | bryjen | slowly but shirley |
| 02:18.36 | Patlabor221X2 | good, but don't call me shirley |
| 02:18.54 | bryjen | stop wearing that dress... ;) |
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| 02:19.25 | Patlabor221X2 | but it matches my eyes |
| 02:19.31 | Patlabor221X2 | does it make me look fat? |
| 02:20.08 | Patlabor221X2 | where did I hear |
| 02:20.25 | Patlabor221X2 | "honey does this dress make me look fat?", "No, your ass makes you look fat" |
| 02:20.30 | bryjen | there's a maintainer-clean |
| 02:20.37 | Patlabor221X2 | that's it |
| 02:20.55 | bryjen | i dont think that makes a tar |
| 02:21.00 | Patlabor221X2 | oh |
| 02:21.02 | Patlabor221X2 | somehting doe |
| 02:21.17 | Patlabor221X2 | it dosn't take all the cvs folders and stuff |
| 02:21.50 | bryjen | make dist |
| 02:21.52 | Patlabor221X2 | extra_dist? |
| 02:21.53 | Patlabor221X2 | ahh |
| 02:22.16 | learner | make crispy |
| 02:22.25 | Patlabor221X2 | can you make that for me bry? |
| 02:22.26 | SGI | hi dtremenak |
| 02:22.31 | Patlabor221X2 | since the snap is bad |
| 02:23.15 | bryjen | erp. make error. or should that be made error? |
| 02:23.36 | DTRemenak | 'lo sgi |
| 02:23.42 | Patlabor221X2 | there is an EXTRA_DIST in the makefile.am |
| 02:24.36 | bryjen | make: *** No rule to make target `extra_dist'. Stop. |
| 02:25.18 | Patlabor221X2 | what does maintaner-clean do? |
| 02:25.19 | bryjen | make dist |
| 02:25.20 | bryjen | ... |
| 02:25.22 | bryjen | make[2]: Entering directory `/home/bryjen/src/bzflag/src/bzadmin' |
| 02:25.23 | bryjen | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `ServerLink.cxx', needed by `distdir'. Stop. |
| 02:25.50 | Patlabor221X2 | maybe its like make dist src or something |
| 02:25.51 | bryjen | maintainer-clean does clean and then some |
| 02:26.17 | bryjen | make dist looks like it (tar command in the Makfile), but it appears to be broken |
| 02:26.30 | Patlabor221X2 | suxor |
| 02:27.28 | bryjen | looks like it may be larls bzadmin hackery |
| 02:27.43 | Patlabor221X2 | damn that hackery |
| 02:27.56 | learner | if it's that far, it's done |
| 02:28.05 | learner | bzadmin is the last one |
| 02:28.22 | Patlabor221X2 | cept it didn't kerzip it did it? |
| 02:28.23 | learner | you just don't get bzadmin |
| 02:28.40 | learner | Oooh.. |
| 02:28.46 | learner | make dist |
| 02:28.50 | bryjen | no, i see no tar.gz |
| 02:29.01 | learner | I thought you were building |
| 02:29.27 | learner | yes.. that is a problem.. ServerLink.cxx is listed as a source file for the tarball, yet is actually a link |
| 02:29.54 | learner | if you just want to get it to work, copy the real ServerLink.cxx into the bzadmin dir |
| 02:30.01 | bryjen | wonder if i configure with --enable-bzadmin |
| 02:30.18 | learner | that should be irrelevant |
| 02:30.35 | learner | the problem is that the Makefile lists it as source to include in the tarball -- yet it doesn't exist |
| 02:30.45 | learner | at least not in the bzadmin directory |
| 02:30.50 | bryjen | it may make the link |
| 02:31.00 | learner | it does make the link during compile |
| 02:31.02 | Patlabor221X2 | well you guys figure that out, I'm taking my recentely found 7$ and geting some very crapy dinner |
| 02:31.06 | bryjen | 'round about way to get there |
| 02:31.18 | learner | you could just copy the file :) |
| 02:31.24 | learner | or make the link |
| 02:31.25 | bryjen | pah |
| 02:31.27 | SGI | dtremenenak have my email |
| 02:31.41 | DTRemenak | sgi: will check |
| 02:31.46 | SGI | to many nn |
| 02:31.53 | learner | from bzadmin: ln -s ServerLink.cxx ../common/ServerLink.cxx |
| 02:32.14 | learner | er, ln -s ../common/ServerLink.cxx |
| 02:33.33 | bryjen | at least i'm not asking you to hold the nail whilest i swing the sledgehammer ;) |
| 02:37.36 | bryjen | ah-hah. tar-age |
| 02:38.04 | SGI | idea |
| 02:38.05 | bryjen | with the version in the file name. bzflag-1.9.2-20030917.tar.gz |
| 02:39.35 | bryjen | hmm, that's the build date, yet the archive seems to contain no binaries |
| 02:40.32 | learner | eep |
| 02:40.50 | SGI | ?????? |
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| 02:44.39 | Quol_ | hello Bags |
| 02:45.00 | SGI | hello Quol |
| 02:45.08 | Bagheera | hey quol |
| 02:45.11 | SGI | what you doing hee |
| 02:45.27 | Quol_ | hello SGI - I can't play on this PC |
| 02:45.37 | Quol_ | keyboard and mouse suck :) |
| 02:45.43 | SGI | i can't play in all pc's |
| 02:45.51 | DTRemenak | lol |
| 02:45.52 | Quol_ | lol - yes you can :) |
| 02:46.09 | Bagheera | have to get your wife off the good machine.... |
| 02:46.15 | SGI | this morning in the office -32 |
| 02:46.26 | Patlabor221X2 | get it figured out? |
| 02:46.37 | Quol_ | when I move the mouse I can feel the mouse wheel grinding and the mouse "bobs" up and down |
| 02:46.48 | bryjen | make dist seems to make a source .tar.gz |
| 02:46.50 | SGI | its a real mouse |
| 02:47.09 | Quol_ | I real one would probably be better than this one SGI :) |
| 02:47.17 | Patlabor221X2 | keen, can you send it to me somehow? |
| 02:47.24 | SGI | -32 it was after 15 minutes |
| 02:47.39 | Quol_ | it happpens SGI |
| 02:47.58 | SGI | my hand quol remember my hnd |
| 02:48.03 | SGI | hand |
| 02:48.10 | Quol_ | when I play with the "good players" out there - my score goes way down also |
| 02:48.37 | Quol_ | ahhh - how long will you be in the cast? |
| 02:48.42 | bryjen | not sure if that's a good idea. i got my tree from sfsnap and it was b0rken until i copied learner's VotingArbiter.h. seems to work, but may not be "right" |
| 02:48.45 | SGI | 3 weeks |
| 02:48.56 | Quol_ | that sucks |
| 02:49.12 | SGI | no is good |
| 02:49.15 | Quol_ | but better your hand than your head I guess :) |
| 02:49.16 | Patlabor221X2 | hmmm, then I need somone with SSH to do it |
| 02:49.21 | SGI | lucky |
| 02:49.33 | SGI | yes it is |
| 02:49.52 | Patlabor221X2 | or........... |
| 02:49.57 | SGI | superman...from 10 step |
| 02:50.11 | SGI | the tank dont fly |
| 02:50.11 | learner | do what? |
| 02:50.23 | learner | tank's can't jump |
| 02:50.41 | learner | er, tanks :) |
| 02:50.41 | SGI | they can they can |
| 02:50.51 | SGI | but they dont fly |
| 02:50.54 | Patlabor221X2 | just give em a ramp |
| 02:51.01 | Patlabor221X2 | anything flys if you push hard enough |
| 02:51.13 | Quol_ | I have seen tanks fly |
| 02:51.25 | bryjen | "given enough thrust, a brick will fly" |
| 02:51.32 | SGI | but everything came back in the earth |
| 02:51.35 | Patlabor221X2 | F=MA |
| 02:51.41 | Patlabor221X2 | no, not if it's pushed hard enough |
| 02:51.43 | Quol_ | I think proton had a nice modified client at one point where he could drive on air - that's kind of flying? |
| 02:51.43 | SGI | see |
| 02:51.45 | Patlabor221X2 | 7 miles a sec |
| 02:52.17 | SGI | cool 7mlsa sec |
| 02:52.34 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/bzflag-20030917.tar.gz is a snap from cvs just now |
| 02:52.41 | Patlabor221X2 | is it good? |
| 02:53.00 | SGI | I was in the first floor in 1 sec.......I was faster |
| 02:53.04 | Patlabor221X2 | if you can give any object that velocity, it will not return to terra |
| 02:53.19 | bryjen | careful about asking them mac peoples for snapshots. i gots one from 'em that appear to have all kinds of mac build stuffs in it. |
| 02:53.42 | Patlabor221X2 | bahh, asgard can't get to CVS now |
| 02:53.42 | SGI | bad from a mac is bad |
| 02:54.08 | Patlabor221X2 | if that snap is newer then the bad one, I wonder if it's good |
| 02:54.17 | SGI | my direction it was to ...terra |
| 02:54.20 | DTRemenak | try it, you'll find out |
| 02:54.37 | Patlabor221X2 | my redhat machine is missing a hard drive, I can not try it. |
| 02:54.48 | DTRemenak | SGI: obviously not enough force, or not the right direction |
| 02:55.16 | learner | eh? |
| 02:55.36 | Patlabor221X2 | if you can apply 10 meters a second acceleration in an outward radial direction over a constant time, that will work as well |
| 02:55.43 | Patlabor221X2 | it is |
| 02:55.47 | SGI | the force was great....the direction it was wrong |
| 02:56.00 | bryjen | i don't know how the snappy i fetched could've got this way. learner obviously has the correct files. |
| 02:56.38 | Patlabor221X2 | has there been any word on when anon will be back to it's full and rightfull power? |
| 02:56.43 | bryjen | it's like VotingArbiter.cxx got copied over VotingArbiter.cxx |
| 02:56.44 | DTRemenak | hahah |
| 02:57.11 | bryjen | the .cxx copied over the .h |
| 02:58.01 | learner | I can't imagine what would have done that and what makes the VotingArbiter special in that regard |
| 02:58.48 | bryjen | subversives trying to undermine democracy ;) |
| 02:58.58 | Patlabor221X2 | that snap does not seem to have that problem |
| 02:59.13 | Patlabor221X2 | tho I did just use it to totaly screw my install :) |
| 02:59.22 | bryjen | brlcad or sfsnap ? |
| 02:59.40 | Patlabor221X2 | the sfsnap |
| 02:59.46 | Patlabor221X2 | the H file looks fine |
| 03:00.17 | bryjen | ah, there's a newer one now. |
| 03:00.30 | Patlabor221X2 | i'm trying to verify if we can make a release ( wispers ) without Tim. |
| 03:01.30 | Patlabor221X2 | the purple cow is a mole |
| 03:02.06 | Patlabor221X2 | he's the linchpin in my plan |
| 03:02.49 | DTRemenak | e.g. he has FRS access? |
| 03:02.58 | DTRemenak | unlike everyone else here? |
| 03:03.05 | Patlabor221X2 | FRS? |
| 03:03.12 | DTRemenak | File release system |
| 03:03.18 | Patlabor221X2 | no |
| 03:03.23 | Patlabor221X2 | I have access tot hat |
| 03:03.35 | Patlabor221X2 | he has CVS admin access to tag a version |
| 03:03.39 | Patlabor221X2 | that's all I can't do |
| 03:03.40 | learner | hrm.. media is claiming we may get him with > 7 days of power outages.. |
| 03:03.46 | learner | s/him/hit/ |
| 03:03.46 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 03:04.01 | Patlabor221X2 | from "da storm" |
| 03:04.07 | learner | yea |
| 03:04.23 | learner | schools around here are already cancelled for tomorrow since about noon |
| 03:04.34 | SGI | bye |
| 03:04.34 | Patlabor221X2 | it sucks the red "gonna get a huricane" line ends, right at she who I should be maried to's house |
| 03:05.05 | learner | heh, er, sry ? |
| 03:05.15 | Patlabor221X2 | ohh I'm sure she'll be ok. |
| 03:05.36 | learner | yea, we're pretty far inland -- power and flooding is the main concern |
| 03:05.39 | Patlabor221X2 | and if it does go to hell, on the bight side, that means maybe she'll come back sooner |
| 03:05.45 | Quol_ | later all - see you around (off to bed) |
| 03:05.51 | Patlabor221X2 | see ya |
| 03:05.51 | learner | cya |
| 03:06.00 | SGI_maimed | bye bye |
| 03:06.29 | learner | it was cool, though -- yesterday and today were crystal clear skies and moderate weather -- it was gorgeous |
| 03:06.32 | Patlabor221X2 | anon or SSH? |
| 03:06.37 | DTRemenak | ssh |
| 03:06.39 | Patlabor221X2 | that is what I heard |
| 03:06.41 | learner | almost like california even |
| 03:06.49 | learner | just with green grass |
| 03:06.51 | Patlabor221X2 | my ssh worked fine, tho I was useing the turtle one |
| 03:06.51 | DTRemenak | oh, darn... |
| 03:06.54 | Patlabor221X2 | don't like wincvs |
| 03:07.12 | Patlabor221X2 | pfffft, noone has grass |
| 03:07.20 | Patlabor221X2 | just a myth |
| 03:07.44 | DTRemenak | works so much better this way :) |
| 03:07.51 | Patlabor221X2 | one would imagine |
| 03:08.39 | Patlabor221X2 | would suck to lose power |
| 03:08.56 | bryjen | arrrrrggglllllgaaaahhhhpffffffft |
| 03:09.01 | Patlabor221X2 | so where do people go when they evac? |
| 03:09.17 | learner | yea, my trusty ups will only save me for about 45 minutes |
| 03:09.31 | Patlabor221X2 | better tell the kids to get pedaling |
| 03:09.35 | learner | work ups will let me go for hours, though |
| 03:10.20 | bryjen | Its still got nearly identical .h and .cxx. where's this mythical working snap, pat? |
| 03:10.25 | learner | our office is literally 100 meters or so to the shore -- very susceptible to flooding |
| 03:10.37 | Patlabor221X2 | umm I just got it off the thing |
| 03:10.42 | Patlabor221X2 | and unziped it with winzip |
| 03:10.44 | learner | bryjen.. what? what are you doing? |
| 03:10.54 | Patlabor221X2 | perhaps you have tar issues |
| 03:10.59 | bryjen | http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/bzflag-2003-09-17-19.21.11.tar.gz |
| 03:11.36 | Patlabor221X2 | or maybe thats not the one I got |
| 03:11.45 | Patlabor221X2 | I got this one bzflag-20030917.tar.gz |
| 03:12.13 | bryjen | tar -vtzf bzflag-2003-09-17-19.21.11.tar.gz "*VotingArbiter*" |
| 03:12.15 | learner | the tar decompression fails -- it's corrupted |
| 03:12.15 | bryjen | -rw------- sfsnap/users 7187 2003-09-16 21:12:46 bzflag/src/bzfs/VotingArbiter.cxx |
| 03:12.16 | bryjen | -rw------- sfsnap/users 7186 2003-09-16 00:08:07 bzflag/src/bzfs/VotingArbiter.h |
| 03:12.55 | Patlabor221X2 | yeah same here |
| 03:13.04 | Patlabor221X2 | I musta got the wong one |
| 03:13.06 | bryjen | diff bzflag/src/bzfs/VotingArbiter.h bzflag/src/bzfs/VotingArbiter.cxx |
| 03:13.07 | bryjen | 17c17 |
| 03:13.09 | bryjen | < # define sprintf _snprintf |
| 03:13.10 | bryjen | --- |
| 03:13.12 | bryjen | > # define snprintf _snprintf |
| 03:13.18 | learner | bryjen.. the tar.gz is corrupted |
| 03:13.24 | Patlabor221X2 | great so we don't even have good snaps |
| 03:13.54 | bryjen | i get no error on untar |
| 03:14.01 | Patlabor221X2 | gonna see if I can get cvs to work on the old asgardness |
| 03:14.03 | learner | i did -- trailing garbage |
| 03:14.05 | bryjen | and that seems to be the only bad file |
| 03:14.30 | learner | I can "ignore" the error and push forward.. |
| 03:15.03 | learner | yea, if I ignore the error, I get the same thing as you |
| 03:15.25 | bryjen | sublte |
| 03:15.31 | bryjen | ~spell subtle |
| 03:15.31 | | 'subtle' may be spelled correctly |
| 03:15.44 | bryjen | ~spell dislexia |
| 03:15.45 | | possible spellings for dislexia: dyslexia dyslexias dyslexic dyslexia's dislikes |
| 03:16.22 | Patlabor221X2 | so I see that rm -R / is a lot difrent from rm -R * |
| 03:16.41 | learner | bryjen, did you have a problem with the snap I posted? |
| 03:16.42 | DTRemenak | ~spell godes |
| 03:16.44 | | possible spellings for godes: geodes gods God's codes god's Gide's geode's geodesy goddess goodies guides goads goods god es god-es coeds gourdes Good's Goudas code's coders goad's goes odes Gd's cods gads girds gourds Godel Gordie's bodes giddies girders goodie's gores guiders lodes modes nodes rodes |
| 03:17.06 | Patlabor221X2 | it's Gods Dog |
| 03:17.20 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 03:17.26 | Patlabor221X2 | ~Dict girds |
| 03:17.46 | bryjen | ~dict gird |
| 03:18.26 | SGI_maimed | ~Dict dwell |
| 03:19.11 | bryjen | 30KB/s bandwidth cap |
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| 03:19.30 | DTRemenak | I wish I could consistently get 1/10 of that |
| 03:20.21 | learner | upload is capped at 256Kbps by the isp |
| 03:20.40 | Patlabor221X2 | is this right? cvs -z3 -d:ext:JeffM2501@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co bzflag ? |
| 03:20.50 | learner | hence 32KB/s is theoretical max, 30 is common if i'm not "busy" |
| 03:21.02 | learner | the :ext: is not necessary |
| 03:21.11 | learner | but yes, it's right |
| 03:21.47 | Patlabor221X2 | without the :ext: it says it can't find the CVS root |
| 03:21.53 | Patlabor221X2 | with it, it just sits there |
| 03:22.02 | learner | cappy's snap gives some interesting insight into stuff he's playing with.. :) |
| 03:22.14 | learner | eh? what's your cvs client? |
| 03:22.19 | Patlabor221X2 | cvs |
| 03:22.20 | Patlabor221X2 | on linux |
| 03:22.21 | learner | oh wait .. you're windows aren't you |
| 03:22.28 | Patlabor221X2 | I'm ssshed to asgard |
| 03:22.31 | learner | hrm |
| 03:22.38 | learner | your CVS_RSH is set, right? |
| 03:23.01 | Patlabor221X2 | it normaly asks for a password |
| 03:23.18 | learner | export CVS_RSH=ssh |
| 03:23.43 | learner | unless you use csh/tcsh/etc |
| 03:26.01 | learner | ah.. cappy didn't use the -dP flags.. shame on him |
| 03:26.20 | Patlabor221X2 | wow I take out the -z3 and it's all good |
| 03:26.30 | learner | woah, that's wierd |
| 03:26.34 | Patlabor221X2 | very |
| 03:26.37 | Patlabor221X2 | isn't that compression |
| 03:26.42 | bryjen | yup |
| 03:26.43 | learner | yep |
| 03:26.51 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 03:26.54 | learner | do you have gzip? |
| 03:26.57 | Patlabor221X2 | ls |
| 03:27.01 | Patlabor221X2 | whoops |
| 03:27.04 | learner | heh |
| 03:27.06 | Patlabor221X2 | yeah I am sure we do |
| 03:27.10 | Patlabor221X2 | bzbb uses it |
| 03:27.22 | learner | oh, you said asgard, didn't you? |
| 03:27.39 | Patlabor221X2 | yeah |
| 03:28.02 | Patlabor221X2 | moljenor is missing it's drive :( |
| 03:28.03 | bryjen | learner: the snapshot on brlcad.org works fine |
| 03:28.12 | learner | of course :) |
| 03:28.23 | bryjen | well, it compiles.... |
| 03:28.30 | learner | that was a fresh checkout |
| 03:29.18 | Patlabor221X2 | how would I have my redhat make an RPM? |
| 03:30.39 | learner | aww.. ntalk is disabled on asgard :/ |
| 03:30.47 | Patlabor221X2 | what is that? |
| 03:30.59 | learner | old unix chat facility |
| 03:31.05 | bryjen | whee localhost in the server list |
| 03:31.08 | learner | "talk" |
| 03:31.15 | Patlabor221X2 | heh |
| 03:31.20 | bryjen | try just talk |
| 03:31.24 | DTRemenak | it's redhat, try ytalk, doesn't it use a diff protocol? |
| 03:31.44 | learner | if it was on, you could "talk sean" and we'd be in a session |
| 03:31.54 | Patlabor221X2 | heh |
| 03:32.17 | Patlabor221X2 | I saw it |
| 03:32.23 | learner | ah, coo |
| 03:32.43 | bryjen | huh? |
| 03:32.46 | Patlabor221X2 | tho it was "FUNKY" |
| 03:33.18 | learner | yea, that's a different thing |
| 03:33.22 | DTRemenak | patlabor: redhat 8/9 or earlier? |
| 03:33.26 | learner | basic message send |
| 03:33.33 | Patlabor221X2 | it's 8.5 ish |
| 03:33.39 | DTRemenak | man rpmbuild |
| 03:33.43 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 03:34.01 | Patlabor221X2 | I thought there was a make target for it |
| 03:34.06 | Patlabor221X2 | or a script or something |
| 03:34.10 | DTRemenak | might be, I dunno |
| 03:34.55 | Patlabor221X2 | there is something in /package/rpm |
| 03:35.13 | bryjen | wonder whats corrupting cap's tgz's |
| 03:35.19 | DTRemenak | yes, that has the specfile |
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| 03:35.30 | DTRemenak | you should be able to use rpmbuild with the specfile to create the rpm |
| 03:35.51 | Patlabor221X2 | well looks like there is a make file inhere |
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| 03:36.20 | DTRemenak | you can try it, but it doesn't look like it builds an rpm |
| 03:36.36 | DTRemenak | the specfile is the important part |
| 03:37.22 | DTRemenak | mm, try packages/Make-rpm |
| 03:38.44 | Patlabor221X2 | perm denied |
| 03:39.29 | DTRemenak | hm, on what statement? |
| 03:39.43 | Patlabor221X2 | I was in packages and did ./Make-rpm |
| 03:40.26 | DTRemenak | make Make-rpm |
| 03:40.37 | DTRemenak | 'tis a makefile not a shell script |
| 03:40.57 | Patlabor221X2 | nothing to be done for Make-rpm |
| 03:41.29 | learner | how the heck am I supposed to print non-fatal info in the client? |
| 03:41.50 | purple_cow | wheedledee |
| 03:42.01 | purple_cow | yay for modifying DSL filters |
| 03:42.01 | DTRemenak | try a target of rpmprep |
| 03:42.07 | Noodleman | m00f |
| 03:42.15 | learner | it's a purple cow! |
| 03:42.45 | purple_cow | where?! |
| 03:42.55 | learner | cap: snap's busted |
| 03:43.11 | purple_cow | hrmy hrm hrm |
| 03:43.13 | Patlabor221X2 | eww, looks like the packag scrpits were not changed to look in src/bzflag for it's bins |
| 03:43.17 | learner | and the dir needs an update -dP :) |
| 03:43.24 | DTRemenak | lol |
| 03:44.04 | learner | there were lots of stale empty directories |
| 03:44.05 | DTRemenak | patlabor: the script also appears to be set up only to work with rpm 3 |
| 03:44.12 | DTRemenak | and 2.5 |
| 03:44.13 | Patlabor221X2 | icky |
| 03:44.25 | DTRemenak | not rpm 4, which uses rpmbuild instead of rpm -b |
| 03:44.33 | DTRemenak | Try on RH6 |
| 03:44.37 | Patlabor221X2 | it was looking for /bin/bzflag |
| 03:44.43 | Patlabor221X2 | don';t have RH6 :) |
| 03:45.16 | DTRemenak | ~spell facitious |
| 03:45.17 | | possible spellings for facitious: facetious factious factitious fractious |
| 03:45.28 | Patlabor221X2 | take bean-O |
| 03:45.32 | DTRemenak | hmph, that didn't help |
| 03:45.40 | DTRemenak | and I'm not flatulating |
| 03:45.47 | DTRemenak | much |
| 03:46.16 | Patlabor221X2 | well somone made a G2 rpm |
| 03:46.18 | Patlabor221X2 | I wonder how |
| 03:47.14 | DTRemenak | mandrake or suse |
| 03:47.17 | DTRemenak | ;) |
| 03:47.19 | Patlabor221X2 | ahhh |
| 03:47.37 | DTRemenak | 'tho I think mdk9.2 is using rpm 4 also |
| 03:47.46 | Patlabor221X2 | well at least a good souce package is up there now so that if people want to test they don't have to use the bad snap |
| 03:47.54 | DTRemenak | it's probably time for someone to update the rpm makefile |
| 03:48.20 | Patlabor221X2 | that would be nice |
| 03:48.29 | Patlabor221X2 | and then doc how to build it |
| 03:49.04 | purple_cow | put the tarball in the SOURCES dir |
| 03:49.08 | Patlabor221X2 | I'll doc how to build on VC and how to add files for the DSPs, just need someone to do it for each package, and for autotools |
| 03:49.09 | purple_cow | then do an rpmbuild on the spec |
| 03:49.27 | Patlabor221X2 | there are 3 specs |
| 03:49.51 | DTRemenak | package/rpm/spec |
| 03:50.10 | purple_cow | yep |
| 03:50.11 | DTRemenak | but it would still be nice for make to do it |
| 03:50.15 | Patlabor221X2 | no such dir |
| 03:50.23 | DTRemenak | it's a file |
| 03:50.26 | DTRemenak | the specfile |
| 03:50.28 | Patlabor221X2 | ahhhhh |
| 03:50.29 | Patlabor221X2 | I see |
| 03:51.02 | Patlabor221X2 | no it's one of those chrismastree lights |
| 03:51.12 | DTRemenak | small room ;) |
| 03:51.29 | DTRemenak | doesn't take much to hold some packets down |
| 03:51.32 | Patlabor221X2 | where is the SOURCES dir? |
| 03:52.09 | purple_cow | Patlabor221X2: on your system, /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES |
| 03:52.20 | Patlabor221X2 | ahhh |
| 03:53.06 | Patlabor221X2 | ooo, this is a root thing? |
| 03:53.25 | purple_cow | Patlabor221X2: yeah |
| 03:57.17 | Patlabor221X2 | hmm, I changed the version to 1.9.2 and it just goes, no error, no output, nothing |
| 03:58.38 | Patlabor221X2 | tho it may be time to go read the book that tells me the moon is holow |
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| 04:09.39 | learner | oh, wow.. |
| 04:09.45 | DTRemenak | wow? |
| 04:10.13 | DTRemenak | very cool |
| 04:10.27 | DTRemenak | now when that gets to a solid feeling... |
| 04:11.47 | learner | I'm trying to avoid looking for it right this second.. that's not what I'm working on |
| 04:12.05 | learner | but it smells real bad right around where I need to filter the chat messages |
| 04:12.11 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 04:18.42 | learner | Umm.. I need another pair of eyeballs to look at something fishy |
| 04:18.58 | learner | src/bzflag/playing.cxx:2713 |
| 04:19.06 | learner | handleServerMessage() method |
| 04:19.11 | learner | er, func |
| 04:21.16 | learner | never mind.. I have a fix |
| 04:23.31 | SGI_maimed | good nite |
| 04:26.53 | learner | w00t w00t |
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| 05:01.17 | MrApathyCream | Hlelo All, |
| 05:01.17 | MrApathyCream | Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in |
| 05:01.17 | MrApathyCream | waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the |
| 05:01.17 | MrApathyCream | frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses |
| 05:01.18 | MrApathyCream | and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid |
| 05:01.20 | MrApathyCream | deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, butthe wrod as a wlohe. |
| 05:02.13 | MrApathyCream | yay for patlabor! |
| 05:04.40 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 05:06.07 | creeperz | Good night, y'all |
| 05:06.10 | creeperz | See yu |
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| 05:33.06 | learner | wow |
| 05:33.11 | learner | that was interesting |
| 05:33.26 | learner | who's here? |
| 05:34.11 | learner | pat, mac? |
| 05:36.50 | MrApathyCream | present and accounted for |
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| 06:12.56 | asinur | hello all |
| 06:13.19 | asinur | somebony would liike to play at du ducati:5156 ???? |
| 07:14.17 | captain_proton | yay |
| 07:14.20 | captain_proton | its sg1 |
| 07:14.28 | learner | where?? |
| 07:14.29 | captain_proton | in brilliant ogm+divx5+vorbis quality |
| 07:16.48 | captain_proton | wheee |
| 07:16.58 | learner | ah :) |
| 07:17.03 | captain_proton | at these settings even the high-motion bits are clean |
| 07:17.23 | captain_proton | and at only 350MB/episode |
| 07:39.50 | learner | Well.. I think my development tasks are completed pre 1.10 |
| 07:40.05 | learner | There are just a couple bugs to hunt down |
| 07:43.35 | purple_cow | erg |
| 07:43.36 | purple_cow | ERG |
| 07:44.49 | purple_cow | oh wait...it started again |
| 07:44.49 | purple_cow | weird |
| 07:59.01 | learner | Welp, time to go to night night time |
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| 14:35.34 | [dmp] | Im slightly confused. If i got a center of a sphere (x,y,z) what would that point be? A "point", "Vector" or "Vertex" ? As far as i understood, Vector is a direction, not a point, right? |
| 14:36.35 | bryjen | ~dict vertex |
| 14:37.18 | bryjen | ~dict vector |
| 14:39.03 | bomber | position (x,y,z) is given by initial point (0,0,0) and vector (x,y,z) |
| 14:41.11 | [dmp] | hmm.. Okay. I got alot of reading to do :) |
| 14:43.42 | Bagheera | love the "shark" music on rabbit hunt..... |
| 14:44.00 | Bagheera | of course i am laughing too hard to play |
| 14:46.10 | bryjen | so should the tank have a fin on top, or rabbit ears? ;) |
| 14:48.39 | Chestal | both! |
| 14:50.43 | Bagheera | the rabbit should have a cotton tail, and the chasers should have the fin |
| 14:51.07 | Chestal | we still need a good 'you're now the rabbit'-sound |
| 14:51.38 | Bagheera | how about someone screaming...."Oh Sh**, Your the Rabbit" |
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| 14:52.03 | Bagheera | i know thats what i was saying... |
| 14:53.34 | bryjen | Bugs Bunny, "Meh, you're it, Doc." |
| 14:53.53 | Bagheera | now thats good |
| 14:54.13 | bryjen | or Daffy Duck "Rabbit season!" |
| 14:54.24 | Bagheera | Duck Season |
| 14:55.31 | Bagheera | the wind is really kicking up here |
| 14:56.20 | Michaelh | so who is from france here? |
| 14:56.29 | Michaelh | or who are our frenchy regulars? |
| 14:56.36 | Bagheera | that sounds like a loaded question |
| 14:57.02 | Michaelh | just curious... I might get a job that might send me over there.... |
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| 14:57.41 | Bagheera | lucky you......where...Nice |
| 14:57.44 | Bagheera | ? |
| 14:57.51 | Michaelh | would beat compUSA .. I think |
| 14:57.52 | Michaelh | :) |
| 14:58.27 | Michaelh | paris -- for training there -- but I just finished the 1st interview so I don't know yet ..... as always |
| 14:58.27 | Bagheera | it would....how long, what location |
| 14:58.35 | Michaelh | 4 months |
| 14:58.47 | tea|tree_ | hii |
| 14:59.10 | Bagheera | hmm, my american views of paris is more of hate/love/just flying through |
| 14:59.18 | Michaelh | heh |
| 14:59.45 | Bagheera | never been.....spent a whole lot of time in Nice though....it was very "nice" in Nice |
| 15:00.08 | Bagheera | of course it was August, and someone else was paying all the bills |
| 15:00.55 | Michaelh | ah well I probably shouldn't even think about until it's more certain |
| 15:01.06 | Bagheera | yep |
| 15:01.29 | bryjen | hmm |
| 15:01.37 | Bagheera | is that where the parent company is located...paris |
| 15:01.51 | Bagheera | or is that like their training perk |
| 15:01.53 | bryjen | looks like the upside-down pyramid code in 1.9 positions the pyramid a bit differently |
| 15:02.43 | Bagheera | great....there goes the old maps.... |
| 15:03.27 | Michaelh | it's wyde and it's based out of paris, but it's a US company.. go figure |
| 15:03.34 | bryjen | only if you were using negative Z sizes to get inverted pyramids in 1.7 |
| 15:03.38 | Michaelh | their website could use a little work :) |
| 15:03.39 | Bagheera | hey, does anyone know the reason "why" you are supposed to tape your windows in a hurricane |
| 15:03.50 | Michaelh | so you don't eat glass? |
| 15:04.21 | Michaelh | I interviewed with them last year too and never heard anything back then :) |
| 15:04.25 | Bagheera | well, is it to keep shattering down, or to help re-inforce the window |
| 15:04.47 | Michaelh | apparently they hired a bunch of people and then business didn't come and they fired them all .. last year that is |
| 15:05.18 | Bagheera | wyde....what do they do.....consulting...??....that is typical |
| 15:05.33 | Michaelh | yes |
| 15:05.57 | Michaelh | I guess they are a bit on the smallish side |
| 15:06.13 | Michaelh | probably beats working for accenture I suppose |
| 15:06.25 | Michaelh | .. not that they were offering however |
| 15:06.47 | Michaelh | .. or basically anyone else for that matter |
| 15:09.07 | Bagheera | i worked for a consulting company for awhile......expect to get paid well, then get laid off.... |
| 15:11.49 | Michaelh | in other words -- save money ? :) |
| 15:12.44 | Michaelh | I take it that's what happened to you ? |
| 15:15.28 | Michaelh | I'd still think it's better to bet on a consulting company than compUSA :) |
| 15:16.40 | Michaelh | There this guy here .. who's a front end lead .. who said that "retail is my life" .. |
| 15:23.06 | Nidhoggr | mmm. nice, strong coffee. |
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| 15:24.29 | Nidhoggr | morning larsl, mrcooper. |
| 15:25.03 | larsl | Afternoon. |
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| 15:27.00 | larsl | Do the "none", "none" entries in the TODO mean that we have a feature freeze and only bugfixes should be committed? |
| 15:27.31 | Chestal | hmm, I don't think so, but who knows |
| 15:27.40 | Chestal | there are enough bugs to fix, though |
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| 15:29.45 | asinur | hello |
| 15:30.01 | asinur | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.18 | asinur | we are two new teams and we dunno how to ref a mnatch :P |
| 15:30.32 | Chestal | hi asinur |
| 15:30.37 | asinur | bpmber, chestal, dmp ????? |
| 15:30.40 | Chestal | well, first zou need to choose a server |
| 15:30.42 | asinur | could anyone ??? :) |
| 15:30.46 | Chestal | there are a couple ones for matches |
| 15:30.53 | asinur | ducati at 59999 |
| 15:30.57 | Chestal | are you guys mostly from Europe or America? |
| 15:31.04 | asinur | yes |
| 15:31.11 | asinur | all of |
| 15:31.13 | Chestal | hmm, ok, I'll go there but I won't be able to watch all the match |
| 15:31.20 | asinur | n ok |
| 15:31.21 | asinur | thx |
| 15:31.29 | asinur | meet a ducati |
| 15:31.52 | Chestal | ok, cu there |
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| 15:35.44 | Nidhoggr | oof.. allergies are really bad the last few days. feel like my head is going to explode. |
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| 15:39.05 | patlabor221 | it's comon convention to write BZFlag, not Bzflag right? |
| 15:39.18 | larsl | I think so. |
| 15:40.10 | TyroneFHornigh | I think we get to define common convention in this case. I usually write BZFlag. |
| 15:40.38 | patlabor221 | well that's how it is in the logo |
| 15:43.49 | patlabor221 | did cap get the snaper fixed? |
| 15:46.02 | purple_cow | hmm... |
| 15:46.09 | purple_cow | all the snaps look recent...whats the issue? |
| 15:48.03 | Chestal | what's up with CIA/picogui? |
| 15:48.13 | patlabor221 | it was puting VotingArbiter.cxx on top of VotingArbiter.h |
| 15:48.17 | TyroneFHornigh | Some of the files were borked in the snap. |
| 15:49.23 | purple_cow | Chestal: the server that ran CIA exploded - we're working on it, but mail to commits bounces due to the MX being wrong |
| 15:49.42 | purple_cow | i set it to another machine so scanline could get his email, but couldn't setup a commits account |
| 15:49.48 | bryjen | learner said he was getting compression/tar errors unpacking the snapshot. Mine didn't ever show that, but VotingArbiter was messed up |
| 15:50.04 | larsl | purple_cow: So the bot itself is working now? |
| 15:50.43 | purple_cow | larsl: no - we need to get some more stuff set up before it will work |
| 15:50.59 | larsl | OK. |
| 15:51.40 | purple_cow | ok, try the snap |
| 15:53.29 | bryjen | VotingArbiter.h looks Ok.... |
| 15:53.47 | patlabor221 | as long as it dosn't include it'sef, you shoudl be cool :) |
| 15:54.03 | bryjen | lemee try a build to make sure everything else is good |
| 15:54.56 | bryjen | sha, if i'd've looked at the file before complaining, even _i_ might''ve figured that one out |
| 15:58.41 | bryjen | built Ok and the client runs. |
| 15:58.48 | TyroneFHornigh | You weren't the only one, there was a message on the developer's mailing list this AM |
| 15:59.02 | patlabor221 | yeah I posted a reply for them |
| 15:59.21 | bryjen | yay for 6 cow ! |
| 16:02.32 | bryjen | odd tho that tar or gzip here didn't complain. i wonder what learner used to unpack the archive. |
| 16:06.39 | TyroneFHornigh | Who harassed learner into finishing the client side filter last night? |
| 16:08.00 | larsl | Hm. The world cache file is _not_ 3 GB. |
| 16:10.42 | bryjen | do the files in the client's world cache expire? |
| 16:11.42 | larsl | There seems to be a max total size for the cache files. |
| 16:11.51 | larsl | When that is exceeded the oldest file is removed. |
| 16:11.58 | bryjen | not that they're huge and need to be removed quickly... |
| 16:13.09 | bomber | Chestal: DUB won 3:1 against BORG |
| 16:16.43 | bomber | can someone put this result to web? |
| 16:18.19 | *** join/#bzflag PatlaborTRIL (~JeffM@208.48.199.214) |
| 16:19.14 | PatlaborTRIL | ooooo it's purdy |
| 16:20.06 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 16:20.29 | Patlabor221 | and most importantly, it has a SPELL CHECKER! |
| 16:23.30 | Patlabor221 | awww, it doesnt have a fishslap |
| 16:26.01 | bryjen | ~fishslap Patlabor221 |
| 16:26.02 | | ACTION slaps Patlabor221 up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 16:26.10 | bryjen | there's one for ya |
| 16:26.40 | TyroneFHornigh | ~whaleslap Patlabor221 |
| 16:26.42 | Patlabor221 | thanks, I feel so loved now |
| 16:27.05 | bryjen | TyroneFHornigh: i believe learner set those individually |
| 16:27.07 | Patlabor221 | but you dont understand, a spell checker!!!! :) |
| 16:27.09 | TyroneFHornigh | Be thankful, that one's gone. ;^) |
| 16:27.44 | Patlabor221 | its the new Trilliin pro |
| 16:27.51 | bryjen | if you don't misspell things at least once in a while, we'll start doubting its really you |
| 16:27.53 | bryjen | ;) |
| 16:27.53 | TyroneFHornigh | It doesn't respond to CTCP ;^) |
| 16:28.00 | Patlabor221 | coool :) |
| 16:28.32 | Patlabor221 | well the dictionary seems to not have that much in it |
| 16:28.32 | TyroneFHornigh | Just because it checks, doesn't mean that pat will do anything about it. :^) |
| 16:28.59 | Patlabor221 | yeah I do have to right click on the word to have it fix it, but at least it shows me what is bad |
| 16:29.07 | TyroneFHornigh | And it won't catch things like "leaner" for "learner" |
| 16:29.15 | bryjen | ~listkeys whale |
| 16:29.35 | Patlabor221 | well I can train it |
| 16:29.59 | dheckaman | er, the latest version crashed for me :) |
| 16:30.00 | purple_cow | ~jargon like kicking dead whales down the beach |
| 16:30.00 | | hmm... jargon like kicking dead whales down the beach is adj. Describes a slow, difficult, and disgusting process. First popularized by a famous quote about the difficulty of getting work done under one of IBM's mainframe OSes. "Well, you *could* write a C compiler in COBOL, but it would be like See: like kicking dead whales down the beach2 |
| 16:30.09 | Patlabor221 | sounds like you have suckage issues then |
| 16:30.10 | larsl | Patlabor221: Are Window config files stored in "My Documents/cool" ? =) |
| 16:30.13 | purple_cow | ~jargon like kicking dead whales down the beach2 |
| 16:30.13 | | jargon like kicking dead whales down the beach2 is, like, kicking dead whales down the beach." See also {fear and loathing} |
| 16:30.55 | bryjen | ~jargon fear and loathing |
| 16:30.56 | | somebody said jargon fear and loathing was [from Hunter Thompson] n. A state inspired by the prospect of dealing with certain real-world systems and standards that are totally brain-damaged but ubiquitous --- Intel 8086s, COBOL, {EBCDIC}, any IBM machine except the Rios (a.k.a. the See: fear and loathing2 |
| 16:30.56 | Patlabor221 | they are stored now in the "special" folder |
| 16:31.39 | purple_cow | heh, EBCDIC |
| 16:31.40 | Patlabor221 | tho I didn't think Tim would like "my cool sh*t" as a folder name |
| 16:31.50 | TyroneFHornigh | I think that definition needs to be update. I rather like the new IBM machines. |
| 16:32.07 | bryjen | i don't think * is a legal filename char on 'doze |
| 16:32.36 | larsl | Can't you escape it? |
| 16:32.57 | TyroneFHornigh | Most people can't escape windows. |
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| 16:33.16 | CIA | larsl (playing.cxx): Changed the world cache to use streams from FileManager instead of C-style streams |
| 16:33.20 | bryjen | maybe. i could be confusing Windoze and older DOS rules |
| 16:33.25 | dheckaman | hahaha |
| 16:33.30 | Patlabor221 | well for simplicity I changed it to an "i" |
| 16:33.35 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 16:34.30 | Patlabor221 | mmmm fanta! |
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| 16:35.16 | bryjen | woah |
| 16:35.54 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ |
| 16:38.32 | larsl | Hm. |
| 16:38.49 | larsl | A function returning std::string should not have a 'return NULL;' statement, should it? |
| 16:39.01 | dheckaman | oooh |
| 16:39.24 | Patlabor221 | that would be bad |
| 16:39.57 | Patlabor221 | I would think it could return std::string("") |
| 16:40.17 | larsl | I removed all of it - it shouldn't be needed now when FileManager creates its own directories. |
| 16:40.51 | Patlabor221 | well it could fail, like if the dir was read only |
| 16:41.13 | larsl | True, but this old code would fail too. |
| 16:42.04 | Patlabor221 | ahh there, now Trillian is OSX skinned too :) |
| 16:43.52 | learner | larsl, where? |
| 16:44.13 | larsl | learner: Just removed the directory creation from getCacheDirectoryName(). |
| 16:44.25 | larsl | It should be done in FileManager::createDataOutStream() now. |
| 16:45.10 | learner | okay |
| 16:45.23 | learner | ~whaleslap Patlabor221 |
| 16:45.24 | | ibot slaps Patlabor221 upside and over the head with one freakishly hugh killer whale |
| 16:45.28 | learner | :) |
| 16:45.46 | learner | it's a proper action command now :) |
| 16:45.58 | bryjen | how did you sneak in here toting _that_ thing? |
| 16:46.11 | Patlabor221 | he has very large pants |
| 16:47.17 | TyroneFHornigh | Why would you name a killer whale, hugh? |
| 16:47.39 | bryjen | is that what makes it freakish ? |
| 16:47.51 | Patlabor221 | it has toes |
| 16:48.08 | bryjen | "freakishly hugh" |
| 16:48.15 | learner | oops |
| 16:48.28 | TyroneFHornigh | I assumed that was part of his nickname. ;^) |
| 16:48.57 | learner | ibot: no, whaleslap $who is <reply>ibot slaps $who updside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale |
| 16:48.58 | | okay, learner |
| 16:49.37 | learner | a little knowledge can do a lot of damage.. |
| 16:49.47 | TyroneFHornigh | ibot: no, whaleslap $who is <reply>ibot slaps $who upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 16:49.47 | | TyroneFHornigh: okay |
| 16:49.51 | Nidhoggr | I need to cut down on the bbq ribs, or I'll beccome "freakishly huge" |
| 16:49.58 | TyroneFHornigh | You misspelled upside |
| 16:51.20 | learner | My spanglish sometimes entwangles my engrish |
| 16:52.05 | TyroneFHornigh | I think you've been typing cvs upd too much. Start with the up and the d just follows. ;^) |
| 16:54.10 | learner | I'm forever doing cvs udpate |
| 16:54.32 | TyroneFHornigh | That's the network programmer's bane ;^) |
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| 16:59.07 | TyroneFHornigh | I just read the /. story about kids being inspired by Grand Theft Auto. I might have to stop working on bzflag in case someone decides to steal a tank and go rampaging around the city. |
| 16:59.51 | Bagheera | rampaging.......hmmmmm |
| 17:00.06 | learner | Hey, if they can get that sucker to jump, I know some guys who would pay TOP dollar |
| 17:00.22 | learner | but the fixed turrent might limit interest ;) |
| 17:00.25 | larsl | For the shockwave too. |
| 17:00.30 | learner | blah, turret |
| 17:00.32 | TyroneFHornigh | http://beggingdogrecords.tripod.com/tank.html |
| 17:01.12 | learner | Heh, yea, I remember that |
| 17:01.31 | learner | eep, who did this? (strncmp(argv[i], "-c", 2) |
| 17:02.28 | learner | oh, that was already there |
| 17:04.03 | larsl | The server list cache is stored in "BZFS1.9Servers.bzs" - should that be changed to "BZFS" + BZ_PROTO + "Servers.bzs" ? |
| 17:04.36 | *** part/#bzflag beedauchon (foreigner@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:1d7) |
| 17:04.46 | larsl | Or is it OK to store servers with other protocols? |
| 17:05.31 | Patlabor221 | it should be, it just wont' show them |
| 17:05.41 | Patlabor221 | probably cannot hurt |
| 17:05.58 | bryjen | then why not just BZServers.txt ? |
| 17:06.33 | larsl | It's not text, it's binary. |
| 17:06.43 | larsl | But BZServers.bzs should be OK. |
| 17:07.09 | TyroneFHornigh | Why are we sticking with the idiotic 8.3 filename convention? |
| 17:07.09 | learner | what in it required binaryness? |
| 17:07.26 | bryjen | ooops. yeah, looks like the proto string retrieved is stored in there |
| 17:07.50 | TyroneFHornigh | Pardon my obvious bias ;^) |
| 17:07.50 | larsl | learner: Nothing, I think - it looks like it's just a memory dump of the ping packet. |
| 17:08.43 | Patlabor221 | ok is red baron "special" or anything? |
| 17:09.09 | larsl | The coder probably thought that it was unneccesary to add text IO functions when we already have pack() and unpack(). |
| 17:09.10 | TyroneFHornigh | I was wondering when you were going to read centrum this AM. ;^) |
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| 17:09.24 | Patlabor221 | I mean damn |
| 17:09.51 | Patlabor221 | hey it's noodleman, the the creator of the way to get player Ips for fun and exploit. |
| 17:10.00 | TyroneFHornigh | I believe he's young and heavily influenced by the natural occurrences in the young. |
| 17:10.15 | Patlabor221 | so he's an idiot |
| 17:10.28 | Patlabor221 | or just can't read |
| 17:10.29 | Noodleman | Patlabor221: huh? |
| 17:10.46 | Noodleman | what did i do now? |
| 17:10.53 | TyroneFHornigh | Not you noodle, centrum responses. |
| 17:11.02 | TyroneFHornigh | m00f ;^) |
| 17:11.11 | Patlabor221 | seems that people are registering callshigns that are not there own, in an effort to get that persons last known IP |
| 17:11.22 | learner | TyroneFHornigh: if you build with PB, does it run for you from withing PB or do you get a -directory error? I've always gotten the error, so I'm hunting now.. |
| 17:11.26 | Noodleman | i haven't been reading the centrum for a while |
| 17:11.40 | Patlabor221 | and how's it going noodle? :) |
| 17:11.51 | Noodleman | i think i'll just take s.b.o offline until i get settled and can fix it up |
| 17:12.06 | Noodleman | i'm doing ok |
| 17:12.13 | Noodleman | just got dsl working last night |
| 17:12.13 | TyroneFHornigh | I've never tried running from within PB. I usually exit PB, or run from the ibook ssh'ed in to run gdb. |
| 17:12.15 | Patlabor221 | house taken care of? |
| 17:12.18 | Noodleman | yup |
| 17:12.36 | Patlabor221 | ahh cool, that must be a nice thing, no more stealing BW from the laundromat |
| 17:12.42 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 17:12.56 | Noodleman | the network's SSID is actually 'Free_Internet' |
| 17:13.07 | Noodleman | so i didn't steal it |
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| 17:13.21 | Patlabor221 | ok, "borrow" |
| 17:13.29 | Noodleman | but i have also been using a network called 'linksys' too :-) |
| 17:13.48 | learner | Ha ha ha.. pat |
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| 17:13.51 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 17:13.55 | TyroneFHornigh | I've been using s.b.o to locate people that I want to play bzflag with. Most of the time, I look at the online players and decide to find something else to do. |
| 17:14.02 | learner | you think this is going to unconfuse people?? :) |
| 17:14.03 | learner | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=1043 |
| 17:14.48 | tea|tree_ | ruh |
| 17:14.50 | tea|tree_ | huh |
| 17:14.58 | tea|tree_ | havent been for a long time at the forum |
| 17:15.00 | bryjen | heh. patlabor221's a bit grumpy in the morning after being slapped around with aquatic lifeforms. |
| 17:15.02 | Patlabor221 | no, but I have explained it before. I think that Mr RB just doesnt like to read. |
| 17:15.28 | TyroneFHornigh | harmone-infested teenager <tm> |
| 17:15.42 | Patlabor221 | well I think I was rather clear. its like he is just ignoring what is there and looking for what he thinks is there. |
| 17:16.03 | learner | Oh, it was clear enough :) |
| 17:16.16 | TyroneFHornigh | There was also his other post asking about trashing the release version. :^) |
| 17:16.40 | learner | Oh, that reminds me... |
| 17:16.51 | Patlabor221 | I should have told him to just get rid of g2, that it had the sobig virus in it |
| 17:17.15 | learner | You guys would have found a conversation I had with a player on my server last night rather interesting.. |
| 17:18.57 | bryjen | "Honest, these packets are just a _riot_ !" |
| 17:19.03 | learner | This guy has put some effort into making a bzflag cheat client; he quoted off some 28 cheat's he's implemented |
| 17:19.07 | learner | lol, JB :) |
| 17:19.14 | learner | those bits are too funny :) |
| 17:19.38 | larsl | learner: What's he going to do with it? |
| 17:19.47 | learner | Good question |
| 17:20.08 | learner | From what I could gather, all of his work was with no malicious intent -- more of just a coding exercise |
| 17:20.21 | TyroneFHornigh | Have you documented the cheats in the subtle cheats wiki? |
| 17:20.35 | bryjen | http://bzflag.sourceforge.net/wiki/ScooterIsHere |
| 17:20.38 | learner | He said he had just about all of our "documented" cheats implemented |
| 17:20.41 | bryjen | That guy? |
| 17:21.08 | learner | No, that's not him |
| 17:21.18 | learner | This guy's only been around for a couple months |
| 17:21.41 | Patlabor221 | so he's using the wiki as free web hosting? |
| 17:22.12 | bryjen | sort of http://bzflag.sourceforge.net/wiki/BZFlag_20XL |
| 17:23.07 | larsl | Let's hope they are to lazy to upgrade the cheat clients to 1.10. =) |
| 17:23.18 | larsl | s/to/too/ |
| 17:23.31 | Patlabor221 | I'll tell him to change his proto version |
| 17:23.44 | Patlabor221 | otherwise it IS a cheat client |
| 17:24.36 | Patlabor221 | actualy I wonder if that can be put in the license, if you branch you have to change verison |
| 17:25.26 | larsl | That's an interesting idea. |
| 17:25.53 | Patlabor221 | cus there is nothing wrong with what he is doing as a branch |
| 17:26.15 | Patlabor221 | and more power to him, but if he doesn't change the version then it's still a cheat |
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| 17:26.41 | Patlabor221 | I'm gonna send him a mail, and ask him |
| 17:26.49 | Bagheera | wow, then you can hire lawyers and sue him......for.....well, nothing really |
| 17:27.12 | Patlabor221 | naw we'll just send chika over there |
| 17:27.32 | Bagheera | racketeering, eh |
| 17:27.42 | Bagheera | ~spell racketeering |
| 17:27.42 | | 'racketeering' may be spelled correctly |
| 17:27.48 | bryjen | report him for warez-ing MSVC |
| 17:28.21 | Patlabor221 | this time he's using the installer |
| 17:28.53 | bryjen | hmm? |
| 17:29.09 | Bagheera | hey, where is the proper place to report a bug in the cvs builds? |
| 17:29.10 | Patlabor221 | he's not distoring the debug DLLS |
| 17:29.19 | Patlabor221 | in the bug list |
| 17:29.22 | Patlabor221 | on SF |
| 17:29.41 | larsl | Hm, did the license change again? |
| 17:29.46 | larsl | The webpage says GPL now. |
| 17:30.30 | larsl | Oh, that's for 1.7. Never mind. |
| 17:30.32 | bryjen | I thought I saw comment in his how to build stuff about where to get a compiler for Windows that'd he'd gotten VC off a p2p network |
| 17:31.55 | Patlabor221 | where was that? |
| 17:32.01 | Patlabor221 | on what page? |
| 17:32.52 | TimRikerHome | http://bzflag.org/wiki/BZFlag_20XL <- I added the links. |
| 17:33.49 | TimRikerHome | just to be clear... derived clients/servers even "cheat" clients/servers are explicitly allowed by the BZFlag license so long as they post the source to every binary they distribute. |
| 17:33.57 | bryjen | http://bzflag.to-j.com/main.php?title=FAQ&page=faq |
| 17:34.39 | bryjen | the compiling FAQ "2. Where can I get MS Visual C++ 6.0?." |
| 17:34.54 | learner | ld: Undefined symbols: |
| 17:34.54 | learner | PingPacket::readFromFile(std::basic_istream<char, std::char_traints<char> >&) |
| 17:34.54 | learner | PingPacket::writeToFile(std::basic_ostream<char, std::char_traits<char> >&) const |
| 17:35.20 | Patlabor221 | TimRikerHome yeah I know, I was perhaps sugesting that the license say that if you branch and make a client that does something difrent, just change the version number so you don't collide with "clean" clients |
| 17:35.34 | learner | new file? |
| 17:35.37 | Patlabor221 | and still require souce and all that |
| 17:37.36 | Patlabor221 | does look like he pulled some ideas from my XL |
| 17:39.24 | larsl | learner: I changed those functions a bit, but it compiled here. I'll look at it. |
| 17:39.27 | TimRikerHome | http://bzflag.org/wiki/ModsAndCheats <- and adds this note... |
| 17:39.38 | learner | larsl: don't bother -- I got it working |
| 17:39.40 | TimRikerHome | Patlabor221: good idea.... |
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| 17:41.04 | Patlabor221 | cus I'd hate to stifle anyone who wanted to make a real brach, but had problems being a "cheat" client. |
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| 17:41.18 | Patlabor221 | whoot! |
| 17:41.43 | TyroneFHornigh | Trillian reports a spelling error for pat. |
| 17:41.59 | Patlabor221 | I didn't change it |
| 17:42.07 | Patlabor221 | when I type fast I miss them |
| 17:42.09 | TimRikerHome | Patlabor221: better? http://bzflag.org/wiki/ModsAndCheats |
| 17:42.20 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-217-133-255-186.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 17:42.45 | Patlabor221 | yeah, tho it is a string not a number :) |
| 17:43.31 | TimRikerHome | Patlabor221: in 1.9, yeah. not yet in mainstream though. |
| 17:43.54 | TimRikerHome | oh... the network version. I think that should be a number even though it's not now. |
| 17:43.56 | Patlabor221 | no it is a string in 1.7 as well, for the protocol at least |
| 17:44.27 | Patlabor221 | it has multiple '.'s in it, so it' is a string still |
| 17:44.50 | TimRikerHome | does not need them though. "3" would work just as well. |
| 17:44.56 | Patlabor221 | but yeah its nice to have something there to tell them to change it. so the knightmare people can have there fun |
| 17:45.23 | Patlabor221 | true, tho right now you get a hint as to what app version the proto was changed in. |
| 17:45.25 | TimRikerHome | feel free to enhance with specific instructions. ;-) |
| 17:46.05 | TimRikerHome | Patlabor221: which I'd like to eliminate. that's why we have the version strings. does not need to be duplicated in the network version. they are not in lock step. |
| 17:46.18 | Patlabor221 | this is true |
| 17:46.23 | Patlabor221 | it would be simple to change |
| 17:46.38 | Patlabor221 | we can change it next time the net proto changes. |
| 17:46.58 | Patlabor221 | shoulda done it when I did the team stamp on the shots |
| 17:47.07 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@adsl-66-72-30-71.dsl.kntpin.ameritech.net) |
| 17:48.30 | *** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-114-28.hispeed.ch) |
| 17:52.37 | learner | Patlabor221 who else is a bzbb admin? |
| 17:52.40 | TimRikerHome | I'm moving it to CategoryMods so we can use the wiki category funtions... |
| 17:52.47 | Patlabor221 | Me, cap, and fiber |
| 17:52.49 | Patlabor221 | that's it |
| 17:52.53 | learner | thx |
| 17:52.57 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 17:53.36 | learner | You'll figure out why soon enough :) |
| 17:53.41 | Patlabor221 | so leaner it raining there yet? |
| 17:53.45 | Patlabor221 | awww crap |
| 17:54.00 | learner | actually no, it's not |
| 17:54.15 | learner | Just very cloudy and windy |
| 17:55.24 | Patlabor221 | I tried to call arlington but I could not get thu |
| 17:55.27 | Patlabor221 | :( |
| 17:55.59 | learner | Ah yes.. parts of DC area already lost power |
| 17:56.23 | Patlabor221 | you could have told him to just read the FAQ |
| 17:57.10 | learner | I try to avoid being a symbolic link when I can |
| 17:57.34 | Patlabor221 | come on, your a moderator now, your supposed to buck up :) |
| 17:57.37 | learner | Unless the explanation is takes too much time |
| 17:57.45 | learner | lol |
| 17:57.51 | *** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-114-28.hispeed.ch) |
| 17:58.04 | Patlabor221 | "YOU->FAQ->NOW" |
| 17:58.09 | Patlabor221 | that woulda worked :) |
| 17:58.12 | learner | hehe |
| 17:58.26 | Nidhoggr | RTFM. HAND. |
| 17:58.27 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:58.37 | TyroneFHornigh | Would the language filter have complained about that one? |
| 17:58.51 | Nidhoggr | read the fine manual ;) |
| 17:58.58 | Nidhoggr | have a nice day |
| 17:58.59 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:59.07 | Bagheera | not raining up there yet learner..... |
| 17:59.08 | TyroneFHornigh | faq you now ;^) |
| 17:59.26 | Bagheera | its very wet here. |
| 17:59.55 | learner | not yet |
| 18:01.04 | learner | Anyone in here have pkunzip (not winzip)? |
| 18:02.16 | Chestal | hmm, is it ios::end or ios_base::end? |
| 18:02.19 | Bagheera | not i |
| 18:02.52 | tea|tree_ | hello all |
| 18:02.54 | tea|tree_ | ~d |
| 18:03.40 | learner | chestal: i think they are the same thing |
| 18:03.55 | Chestal | learner: I guess only one of them is correct |
| 18:04.20 | learner | I'd imagine ios::end is the one to use |
| 18:04.33 | Chestal | g++2.95 barf on ios_base |
| 18:04.49 | learner | ah, yes |
| 18:05.08 | larsl | My changes, I suppose? =) |
| 18:05.58 | learner | both "should" work -- gcc pre 3 has a lot of c++ issues in terms of spec-compliance |
| 18:06.00 | bryjen | hmm. on bzbb there's the generic board FAQ link at the top of the pages, and then there's the FAQ and Rules threads in "News & Announcements". FAQ, FAQ2, FAQ3 ? |
| 18:06.02 | larsl | I got it from here: http://www.cplusplus.com/ref/iostream/index.html |
| 18:07.12 | *** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-114-28.hispeed.ch) |
| 18:07.53 | learner | Eep.. looks like the office is powering down |
| 18:08.26 | learner | Damn.. that means no real e-mails for me for a while.. |
| 18:08.49 | learner | At least I have bzflag-commits going to a different account.. |
| 18:09.02 | bryjen | "Please wait while your office shuts down." Maybe it'll get stuck on "Saving your settings" and you'll be able to continue.... |
| 18:09.53 | Patlabor221 | xmission.bzflag.org:5154 BZFS1.9. |
| 18:10.08 | bryjen | the upside-down pyramids ? |
| 18:10.10 | learner | No, more like "Message from root: System is going down NOW! get your butt off the machine" |
| 18:10.11 | Patlabor221 | seems bzfs keeps only a limited number of characters |
| 18:10.33 | Patlabor221 | can't make the proto version 1.9.2 |
| 18:10.39 | Patlabor221 | only shows as 1.9. |
| 18:11.14 | Patlabor221 | guess it'll just have to be changed to a number then |
| 18:11.22 | bryjen | I was wondering how the variable lengthness of a string was handled in the net packet |
| 18:11.36 | Patlabor221 | it isn't |
| 18:11.45 | bryjen | zactly |
| 18:11.49 | Patlabor221 | but I can't change it to a real number cus then BZFLS won't like it |
| 18:12.23 | larsl | So only 4 characters? |
| 18:12.29 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:12.34 | Patlabor221 | what is the sugestion |
| 18:12.42 | Patlabor221 | make it 1901 |
| 18:12.47 | Patlabor221 | then 1902 etc.... |
| 18:12.57 | larsl | Or just count up from "0001". |
| 18:13.03 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:13.05 | Patlabor221 | or that |
| 18:13.20 | bryjen | is the BZFS part of it, or is that a eperate magic sequence? |
| 18:13.28 | Patlabor221 | it's part of it |
| 18:13.30 | bryjen | s/eperate/seperate |
| 18:13.44 | Patlabor221 | so we have 8 characters total |
| 18:13.46 | bryjen | ~spell seperate |
| 18:14.55 | larsl | Maybe "BZ000001", that would give us two more digits. |
| 18:15.17 | Patlabor221 | so you think we are gonna have 99,999 net versions? |
| 18:15.32 | Patlabor221 | what changes you planin boy? :) |
| 18:16.02 | Patlabor221 | I'm voting for 1900, cus then it looks "larger" then 107e |
| 18:16.53 | bryjen | but then 1100 looks "smaller" than 1900 ;) |
| 18:17.12 | Patlabor221 | we would not tie the net proto to the app version |
| 18:17.13 | learner | ... and the rain begins |
| 18:17.14 | Patlabor221 | Tim just said that |
| 18:17.23 | Patlabor221 | just keep going up from 1900 |
| 18:17.29 | Patlabor221 | or hell maybe we start at 1000 |
| 18:17.47 | TimRikerHome | Patlabor221: I'm happy to run a 1.9 bzfls instead of a 1.7 so you can change bzfls to accept both, I'll move. or I run two servers and we have a different initial URL for 1.9. |
| 18:17.49 | Patlabor221 | just gives us a bit a room, incease f |
| 18:18.06 | TimRikerHome | probably should just move to 2 bzfls servers. |
| 18:18.20 | TimRikerHome | then we can make bzfls use udp if possible, etc. |
| 18:18.28 | learner | sounds like a much better idea to fix bzfls than to bastardize yet another version |
| 18:18.36 | Patlabor221 | I'd rather not do that right before we are ready to release, too much chance of a screwup |
| 18:18.38 | bryjen | make it an int in the message? |
| 18:19.00 | TimRikerHome | learner: cept that bzfls will become the karma server too so we know we are going to be makign changes. |
| 18:19.05 | learner | it's a major release -- we'll allowed a handful of major screwups |
| 18:19.10 | Patlabor221 | I'd rather wait for the next one, cus there are a lot of other ideas to add to bzfls that we could do at the same time. |
| 18:19.16 | TimRikerHome | this allows us to do communty wide user registration for example. |
| 18:19.29 | Patlabor221 | yeah like the registration thing |
| 18:20.04 | TimRikerHome | Patlabor221: fine. make a note in the protocol version that indicates it should be an int when we do a bzfls change. |
| 18:20.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:20.33 | Patlabor221 | this will be the last release with the old BZFLS |
| 18:21.16 | Patlabor221 | so learner, client side filter is in? |
| 18:21.30 | Patlabor221 | if so I say we are in "testing" phase. |
| 18:21.30 | TimRikerHome | we've come a long way in a short time.... let's put beta builds up and get some testing happening? |
| 18:21.45 | TimRikerHome | posts said the filter was in, yeah |
| 18:21.46 | Patlabor221 | that's what we have been working on all last night :) |
| 18:21.57 | Patlabor221 | 1.9.2 was posted on BZBB last night. |
| 18:22.06 | TimRikerHome | cool. |
| 18:22.15 | Patlabor221 | http://asgard.bakadigital.com/BZ/19/ |
| 18:22.18 | learner | I finished an hour or two after that post :) |
| 18:22.21 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 18:22.25 | learner | Yes, it is done and in |
| 18:22.26 | TimRikerHome | ~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org:5154 |
| 18:22.50 | TimRikerHome | ~bzflist |
| 18:22.51 | Patlabor221 | then I'm marking it as testing and changing version to 1.9.3 and proto to a 1903 string |
| 18:23.12 | TimRikerHome | Patlabor221: sweet! |
| 18:23.29 | larsl | Are we using the CVS snapshots as UNIX test versions? |
| 18:24.02 | learner | Hrm.. where to start? Old bug or new bug? |
| 18:24.09 | larsl | Oh, you had tarballs there too - never mind. |
| 18:24.15 | larsl | Bad bug. |
| 18:25.16 | Patlabor221 | who can make me a dist tarball, RPM, DEB and a mac build? |
| 18:25.45 | Chestal | hmm, there are still a lot of bugs to fix |
| 18:25.45 | learner | Old bug it is |
| 18:25.54 | Patlabor221 | yes there are |
| 18:25.59 | TyroneFHornigh | I can do the mac build tonight. I'll even change the version correctly and get it into a disk image format this time. ;^) |
| 18:26.07 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 18:26.09 | Chestal | broader testing can never hurt, but I wouldn't call it a 'beta' yet, althogh it's only words |
| 18:26.23 | Patlabor221 | I'm not calling it "beta", just "testing" |
| 18:26.28 | TyroneFHornigh | Call it alpha then. It's still testing. |
| 18:26.30 | Patlabor221 | since I know we have bugs |
| 18:26.31 | Chestal | Tim said the word :-( |
| 18:26.31 | TimRikerHome | "preview" sounds about right. |
| 18:26.34 | Chestal | eh, :-) |
| 18:26.35 | larsl | TimRikerHome: Is it OK to add --enable-bzadmin to the configure options in the RPM spec? |
| 18:26.53 | Patlabor221 | ok alpha it is, since we are "feature complete" |
| 18:26.59 | TimRikerHome | larsl: sure. Would be nice to default to on perhaps. |
| 18:27.01 | Chestal | larsl: g++ still cannot resolve Player::getId |
| 18:27.09 | larsl | Hm. |
| 18:27.15 | TimRikerHome | k. alpha sounds good to me. |
| 18:27.18 | larsl | What compiler is used to build the RPMs? |
| 18:27.20 | learner | bzgirl has agreed to write up some user release notes describing all of the new features for us (thank you!) |
| 18:27.33 | TimRikerHome | wiki page? |
| 18:27.49 | learner | text file? |
| 18:27.59 | Patlabor221 | ahh that's goo |
| 18:28.01 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 18:28.20 | TimRikerHome | text file it fine. |
| 18:28.24 | Patlabor221 | now if I could get somone to doc all the build types :) |
| 18:28.30 | Chestal | larsl: g++ 2.95 that is |
| 18:28.35 | Chestal | larsl: g++ 3.3 can |
| 18:28.47 | larsl | And 3.2. |
| 18:29.02 | TyroneFHornigh | And 3.1 on the mac can |
| 18:29.32 | learner | pre 3 issues .. |
| 18:29.49 | TyroneFHornigh | Watch out for those terrible twos. |
| 18:29.50 | TimRikerHome | does not need to happen now... but it would be nice to have a .c app that get's built and writes the date out rather than keeping the __DATE__ parsing in the actual source. |
| 18:30.35 | larsl | TimRikerHome: Will the RPMs be built with g++ > 3? |
| 18:31.04 | TimRikerHome | not everywhere, no. |
| 18:31.24 | larsl | Hm. |
| 18:31.31 | TimRikerHome | ie: not here on my ond rh 7.3 box. |
| 18:31.36 | TimRikerHome | er old... |
| 18:31.46 | learner | what's wrong with ios::end? |
| 18:31.58 | larsl | Something's wrong with it? |
| 18:32.13 | learner | not that I'm aware of, what's the issue? |
| 18:32.40 | larsl | ios::end issue? |
| 18:32.45 | learner | Oh, nvr mind.. |
| 18:32.53 | Patlabor221 | awww., no servers found :( |
| 18:33.02 | Patlabor221 | ok version changes are in. |
| 18:33.12 | Chestal | I changed ios_base::end to ios::end |
| 18:33.15 | learner | heh.. ALPHA |
| 18:33.17 | Chestal | g++2.95 does not have ios_base |
| 18:33.26 | Patlabor221 | well CVS was all caps |
| 18:33.28 | Chestal | and the vorbis file is using ios::end, too,so I figured it would be ok |
| 18:33.54 | Chestal | learner: getId() is related to bzadmin, unresolved external when linking with g++ 2.95 |
| 18:33.59 | learner | it's okay.. I thought you were talking about ios when you were talking about Player::getId |
| 18:36.20 | learner | Oh carp! How'm I supposed to debug if I can't connect to my own dang server?! :) |
| 18:41.11 | larsl | Works for me. |
| 18:41.38 | learner | I get incompatible version BZFS1903 |
| 18:41.59 | Patlabor221 | update the server |
| 18:43.36 | Bagheera | dang xmission and the spawn charactistics...... |
| 18:44.19 | learner | Hrm.. my server is up to date |
| 18:44.40 | learner | I also get no servers listed |
| 18:46.04 | larsl | Sounds like your client isn't updated. |
| 18:47.35 | learner | aha.. |
| 18:47.53 | learner | the pb-built client isn't using the correct version string |
| 18:48.02 | TimRikerHome | Bagheera: what? |
| 18:48.02 | learner | oh wow |
| 18:48.24 | learner | i thought bzdb items were non-persistent by default?? |
| 18:48.31 | TimRikerHome | make distcheck fails |
| 18:49.09 | bryjen | the symlink in bzadmin again? |
| 18:49.23 | Bagheera | Tim: just my usual frustration...nothing new.... |
| 18:49.44 | TimRikerHome | ~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org:5154 |
| 18:51.15 | TimRikerHome | ibot's query script needs updating for the new one port code. |
| 18:51.40 | larsl | TimRikerHome: version.h is not included in noinst_HEADERS in the Makefile.am, that's probably what's causing the distcheck fail. |
| 18:51.44 | larsl | Fixign. |
| 18:52.11 | TimRikerHome | larsl: thx |
| 18:52.24 | larsl | (my bug) |
| 18:55.01 | TimRikerHome | we don't send a port number anymore on initial connect. when do we reject new players if full? close the handle is all? |
| 18:58.29 | scanline | yay, it looks like CIA is working again |
| 18:58.39 | learner | w00h00 |
| 18:58.55 | learner | eh? |
| 18:58.57 | learner | w00h00 |
| 18:59.17 | learner | ah, ibot being very very slow |
| 18:59.42 | Bagheera | losing and aweful lot of leaves here.....early fall |
| 19:00.00 | Bagheera | s/an/and |
| 19:00.31 | bryjen | hmm. acceptClient() looks like it want to send 0xff as playerid if full, but then there's also a if full { close(); return; } |
| 19:00.31 | TyroneFHornigh | I'm waiting for the netsplit. |
| 19:02.19 | bryjen | there's two if something { close; returns} |
| 19:02.52 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Adding version.h, WaveAudioFile.h, and WaveAudioFile.cxx to the autotools build system |
| 19:02.53 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): -srvmsg was sent twice; fixed twice :-) |
| 19:02.55 | Bagheera | come out of the deep water.... |
| 19:03.02 | scanline | yay |
| 19:03.04 | Bagheera | :) |
| 19:03.16 | TyroneFHornigh | That's good for you. If you can swim up to the surface, you've learned something. :^) |
| 19:03.17 | larsl | TimRikerHome: 'make distcheck' works for me now. |
| 19:05.30 | scanline | =) |
| 19:05.43 | Bagheera | little touchy feely today eh |
| 19:05.54 | scanline | amazing how attached people have become to a little bot :)_ |
| 19:05.57 | scanline | s/_// |
| 19:05.58 | larsl | No more slow, annoying cvs2cl! |
| 19:06.05 | TyroneFHornigh | It's the weather isolation. ;^) |
| 19:06.39 | learner | larsl: now just a fast, annoying cvs2cl? |
| 19:06.53 | larsl | No need for cvs2cl now. =) |
| 19:06.58 | learner | oh? |
| 19:07.25 | TimRikerHome | cvs2cl? |
| 19:07.38 | larsl | learner: I used cvs2cl to get the commit messages when CIA was down. |
| 19:07.45 | TimRikerHome | ah |
| 19:07.48 | learner | it's a perl script that auto-generates a changelog based off of cvs commit messages |
| 19:08.09 | learner | rather handy |
| 19:08.24 | learner | but it is a little slow to generate the log |
| 19:08.35 | learner | it's meant to be run once a release |
| 19:09.42 | TimRikerHome | larsl: In file included from ../../../src/mediafile/MediaFile.cxx:113: |
| 19:09.42 | TimRikerHome | ../../../src/mediafile/WaveAudioFile.h:16:23: AudioFile.h: No such file or directory |
| 19:10.15 | larsl | Oh. |
| 19:10.30 | larsl | That's not in the build system either... I wonder why it built for me. |
| 19:10.44 | bryjen | the second one's almost got to be dead, it's effectivly the same check as the first. and the comment about sending 0xff on full won't work if it close() & returns before sending anything |
| 19:11.00 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/src/mediafile (Makefile.am): AudioFile.h |
| 19:13.06 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (bzflag.cxx): do not stash the filter pointer address into the config file\!; added feedback if arg is not a good filename |
| 19:13.27 | TimRikerHome | heh bzflag-..-20030918.tar.gz does not look right to me either. ;-) |
| 19:13.48 | learner | heh |
| 19:13.58 | larsl | Upps. |
| 19:14.05 | larsl | Need to add another sed parser. =) |
| 19:14.26 | bryjen | building on your new . arch with its . OS ? |
| 19:14.33 | larsl | Or not. Hm. |
| 19:15.06 | TimRikerHome | heh |
| 19:15.22 | bryjen | oopsa, that's supposed to be the vers, not the arch/os |
| 19:16.23 | TyroneFHornigh | Do we have any information about the BeOS port? (as I notice that mmu_man is lurking in the background :^) |
| 19:16.26 | larsl_phone | TimRikerHome: Do you have include/version.h? |
| 19:16.51 | TimRikerHome | yes. |
| 19:17.39 | larsl | Try running sed -e 's/#[ \t]*define[ \t]\+BZ_MAJOR_VERSION[ \t]\+\(.*\).*/\1/' -e t -e d < include/version.h |
| 19:18.07 | scanline | ergh |
| 19:18.13 | scanline | navi just crashed.. no idea why |
| 19:18.29 | bryjen | no smoke this time? |
| 19:18.39 | learner | I just commited something. :( |
| 19:18.49 | scanline | bryjen: I hope not |
| 19:18.52 | scanline | I'm not at home right now |
| 19:19.44 | bryjen | maybe it misses you :) |
| 19:20.26 | learner | that sounds like justification to leave work early to me |
| 19:20.42 | scanline | well, I have a class in 30 min. |
| 19:20.51 | scanline | with a quiz-type-thing |
| 19:21.00 | learner | clash shmash |
| 19:21.23 | scanline | but maybe captain_proton will get home soon and be able to figure out what's up |
| 19:21.24 | bryjen | ibot: smash learner |
| 19:21.40 | TimRikerHome | larsl: nada. |
| 19:21.57 | larsl | sed -V |
| 19:21.58 | larsl | ? |
| 19:22.14 | learner | -e t -e d ? |
| 19:22.22 | *** join/#bzflag s (yoyox@fouk.org) |
| 19:22.32 | bryjen | ibot: hello? |
| 19:22.34 | larsl | learner: It's supposed to ignore the lines that the regex doesn't match. |
| 19:23.19 | learner | hrm.. try without it |
| 19:23.20 | mmu_man | TyroneFHornigh still nonfunctionnal |
| 19:23.23 | TimRikerHome | larsl: sed -e 's/^#define\WBZ_MAJOR_VERSION\W*\(.*\)/\1/' -e t -e d < include/version.h |
| 19:23.33 | mmu_man | it sometimes work, but cannot connect to a remote server |
| 19:23.50 | larsl | learner: Then it will replace the line I want, but also echo every other line. |
| 19:24.05 | learner | grep BZ_MAJOR_VERSION first |
| 19:24.16 | *** join/#bzflag jolly (~bzjolly81@jvnineteen.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 19:24.20 | larsl | TimRikerHome: That gives me nothing. |
| 19:24.27 | learner | hi jolly! :) |
| 19:24.30 | jolly | hello :) |
| 19:24.33 | TimRikerHome | is \W does not work for you then. hmm. |
| 19:27.11 | TimRikerHome | sed -e 's/^#define.*BZ_MINOR_VERSION[^0-9]*\(.*\)/\1/' -e t -e d < include/version.h |
| 19:27.52 | mmu_man | hmm, regexp :) |
| 19:27.55 | learner | that gives me "9" |
| 19:28.00 | TimRikerHome | woohoo! |
| 19:28.30 | TimRikerHome | I'll update cvs? |
| 19:28.49 | larsl | TimRikerHome: That works for me too. |
| 19:29.11 | learner | space after the pound is valid. |
| 19:29.14 | learner | should add that |
| 19:29.34 | larsl | I think it was there in the first version. |
| 19:29.41 | learner | yes it was |
| 19:30.19 | learner | tossing a [ \t]* after the pound still works for me |
| 19:32.40 | TimRikerHome | yeah, added a .* there. |
| 19:33.22 | learner | not strictly true, but close enough :) |
| 19:34.47 | TimRikerHome | could have \ lines too, but we don't handle that either. ;-) |
| 19:34.52 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-209-1-21-250.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:36.57 | TimRikerHome | commited. looks like cia left... try it out now. |
| 19:37.10 | TimRikerHome | I added an echo with the complete version string for kicks. |
| 19:37.23 | scanline | TimRikerHome: I think something came unplugged on the network navi is on |
| 19:37.34 | scanline | all the machines at home disconnected from IRC |
| 19:37.43 | scanline | yay for Murphy.... |
| 19:37.46 | TimRikerHome | bummer |
| 19:37.51 | learner | cat chewing on the ether again? |
| 19:38.03 | larsl | 'make dist' produces bzflag-1.9.3-20030918.tar.gz, which is good. |
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| 19:39.48 | TimRikerHome | larsl: nod. running distcheck here now. |
| 19:40.34 | TimRikerHome | worked for me. |
| 19:41.37 | learner | 'scuse you Pat |
| 19:41.53 | Patlabor221 | thanky ou |
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| 19:46.21 | bryjen | should the server just close(fd) when over maxplayers? there's a comment there that looks like it wants to return 0xff to the client as the playerid..... |
| 19:46.36 | larsl | "bzflag-1.9.3-20030918.tar.gz is ready for distribution" |
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| 19:48.25 | enchufe | hi |
| 19:48.31 | TimRikerHome | low |
| 19:48.43 | asdf_home | good one |
| 19:48.51 | TimRikerHome | ~1+1 |
| 19:48.56 | | 1+1 is, like, 3 for large values of 1 |
| 19:48.56 | learner | howdy asdf |
| 19:49.37 | Patlabor221 | larsl, were you able to make a dist tarball? |
| 19:49.44 | larsl | Patlabor221: Yes. |
| 19:49.51 | larsl | Do you want one? |
| 19:49.54 | Patlabor221 | could I get that from you? |
| 19:49.57 | Patlabor221 | yes please |
| 19:50.02 | TimRikerHome | looks like non-udp folks have issues. |
| 19:50.35 | larsl | Patlabor221: Can you receive DCC? |
| 19:50.55 | Patlabor221 | maybe |
| 19:50.59 | Patlabor221 | yes yes I can :) |
| 19:51.02 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 19:51.29 | bryjen | is the proper way to transfer a tarball to sling it? ;) |
| 19:52.04 | Patlabor221 | you can hurl them too |
| 19:52.36 | bryjen | either way, being the receiver doesn't sound like fun |
| 19:52.57 | learner | for those who are interested in what this cvs2cl beast is.. |
| 19:53.24 | TimRikerHome | ~/.bzf/badwords should likely be auto-used if it exists. |
| 19:53.26 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/bzflag/ChangeLog is the default output |
| 19:53.57 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/bzflag/ChangeLog.more is adding in a little more info |
| 19:54.38 | learner | TimRikerHome: indeed it should; this has been discussed |
| 19:56.56 | TimRikerHome | xmission for testing anyone? |
| 19:57.59 | TimRikerHome | actually, I'm at home on vpn to the office then through a http proxy. so performance will suck. |
| 19:59.07 | Nidhoggr | where are the instructions on adding ppl to groups, etc? |
| 19:59.36 | Patlabor221 | there was a wiki page on the commands |
| 20:01.06 | larsl | TimRikerHome: HiX2 has some bugs when used with the new map parser, the upside-down pyramids are a bit higher up than earlier. |
| 20:01.44 | larsl | It affects upside-down pyramids in all maps. |
| 20:02.20 | bryjen | ugh. doc/protocol.txt "connecting to the server" has BZFS107b as the version and reconnect port |
| 20:03.42 | Patlabor221 | well that's not right |
| 20:03.54 | Patlabor221 | need to update the net wiki too |
| 20:04.31 | bryjen | i suspect that before upside-down pyrs grew down from the base Z spec'd by their position, and now they're inverted above that Z |
| 20:05.00 | larsl | Probably. |
| 20:05.31 | Patlabor221 | yes, it did change, as before it was a scale reversal, now it's new drawing code. So the triangles are orderd properly |
| 20:06.11 | bryjen | it goofs up existing maps a bit. but then again, they were using a undocumented "feature" |
| 20:06.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah, all the old maps had backwards normals and stuff, and were coliding oddly |
| 20:07.02 | Patlabor221 | the maps also need to be changed if they want the old behavor by seting the "drivethru" flag |
| 20:07.31 | Patlabor221 | cus now you colide with all pyramids |
| 20:08.48 | bryjen | Patlabor221: i was trying to determine what the server is supposed to do at accept() when there are already maxplayers. the code looks like it wants to send back 0xff as playerid, but i don't think it does. the proto doc/wiki doesn't mention this at all |
| 20:10.10 | Patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 20:10.25 | Patlabor221 | what do you think it sends? |
| 20:10.29 | Patlabor221 | 0? |
| 20:10.38 | bryjen | it looks like it just does close(fd) |
| 20:11.00 | Patlabor221 | ohh it just boots you. |
| 20:11.02 | Patlabor221 | interesting |
| 20:11.11 | Patlabor221 | and kinda rude |
| 20:12.55 | bryjen | in the client, serverlink.cxx checks for 0xff to mean rejected. acceptClient() in bzfs.cxx has a comment about using 0xff, but just close()es and returns |
| 20:13.48 | Patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 20:14.37 | bryjen | there was another check for > maxplayers farther down in acceptClient() that was after the reply, but you'd've never got past the first check anyway |
| 20:15.06 | Patlabor221 | doesn't sound like it was all that well thought out. |
| 20:16.50 | bryjen | looks like somebody added the earlier check w/o seeing the reply. i pointed the second dead one out to learner and he removed it |
| 20:24.26 | TimRikerHome | larsl: should we change the pyr parser or the maps? ;-) |
| 20:25.04 | Patlabor221 | like I say the maps need to be changed anyway |
| 20:25.21 | Patlabor221 | objects should behave the same boxes and pyrs |
| 20:25.33 | Patlabor221 | the Z is the bottom, and the height is the top |
| 20:25.49 | Patlabor221 | it makes making a map easyer |
| 20:26.58 | TimRikerHome | but the height is negative, so shouldn't it go down? |
| 20:27.01 | learner | so perhaps put the second check back in and get rid of the first? |
| 20:27.20 | TimRikerHome | learner: might work. I've not looked at it yet. |
| 20:27.32 | learner | it's error-prone -- the 0xff should probably be sent in the else statement |
| 20:27.41 | Patlabor221 | what do boxes do? |
| 20:27.48 | learner | they box things |
| 20:27.50 | Patlabor221 | it should be the same for all of them |
| 20:28.21 | Patlabor221 | boxes take the abs value of scale |
| 20:28.41 | Patlabor221 | neg scales are invalid in the curent parser |
| 20:29.06 | bryjen | didn't people make "inside-out" boxes with neg sizes? |
| 20:29.26 | Patlabor221 | yeah, to make them drive thru |
| 20:29.44 | Patlabor221 | now it's handled with an explicit mode |
| 20:29.54 | bryjen | or something like that. another unintended "feature" |
| 20:29.57 | Patlabor221 | it was all inconsisntent |
| 20:30.08 | Patlabor221 | all objects should now behave consistently |
| 20:30.57 | Patlabor221 | I've made a wiki page listing all the build pacakages, and who can build what. http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/buildcontributors |
| 20:31.13 | bryjen | as unpopular as breaking (bug-)compatability is, i tend to agree with pat, the old format/parser was broken to allow those things |
| 20:31.15 | Patlabor221 | if you can build one of those please add your name to it, so we can know |
| 20:31.41 | TimRikerHome | Patlabor221: move to http://bzflag.org/wiki/TestBuilds ? |
| 20:31.46 | Patlabor221 | yeah, and I can understand how people could want to do those things, so I made them work consistently with all objects. |
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| 20:32.00 | Patlabor221 | there was no way to clean it up and make everyone happy |
| 20:32.24 | Patlabor221 | the simple change of making all pyrmaids colideable changed that |
| 20:32.43 | Patlabor221 | I would if I knew what they were or how |
| 20:32.58 | TimRikerHome | just UpperCase MergedNames |
| 20:33.02 | learner | cvs commit -m "send back 0xff before closing the connection" src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx |
| 20:33.03 | Patlabor221 | can't smack when it's not writne down :) |
| 20:33.30 | TimRikerHome | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WikiName |
| 20:33.38 | TimRikerHome | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/HelpForBeginners |
| 20:33.39 | Patlabor221 | ohh I thought I typed it in with a cap B and C |
| 20:34.00 | Patlabor221 | you'll live :) |
| 20:35.08 | Patlabor221 | I was trying to look in the "help on formating page" for stuff like that but it gives me all kinds of python errors |
| 20:35.55 | Patlabor221 | that would be sweet |
| 20:36.15 | larsl | Daily. =) |
| 20:36.26 | learner | on commit |
| 20:36.37 | larsl | Ah, yes. |
| 20:36.39 | Patlabor221 | I would do weekly honeslty |
| 20:36.43 | Patlabor221 | if there is a change |
| 20:36.46 | larsl | And send emails when it fails on a platform. |
| 20:37.02 | Patlabor221 | it's a game not a browser :) |
| 20:37.13 | learner | it's still good for regression testing :) |
| 20:37.38 | Patlabor221 | well just the build part, no way to automaticly test the app |
| 20:37.45 | learner | and it's not our cpu resources =) |
| 20:38.06 | Bagheera | trees are beginning to lose limbs |
| 20:39.56 | learner | News is reporting that about 800,000 are without power.. I would have thought more |
| 20:43.02 | Bagheera | give it time |
| 20:43.54 | bryjen | why should TimRiker make gcc3 rh8+ rpm packages _until_ "his laptop get off of old ugly rh7.3" ? If its at 7.3 wouldn't it be easier to make packages _for_ 7.3 ? |
| 20:44.04 | Patlabor221 | oy |
| 20:44.04 | TimRikerHome | xmission builds hourly if there are commits, but I don't do package builds there, no GL libs at the moment either. |
| 20:44.18 | Patlabor221 | it's not who should, it's who can |
| 20:44.31 | TimRikerHome | eep |
| 20:44.32 | Patlabor221 | for refrence |
| 20:45.53 | TimRikerHome | bryjen: fixed. thanx |
| 20:46.32 | larsl | The RPM spec is broken, it still assumes that programs are in bin/. |
| 20:46.43 | bryjen | Ok, _can_ he use his laptop with "old ugly rh7.3" to make rpm's for rh8+ ? and if so, once he gets up past 7.3, will he still be able to? b0rken logic |
| 20:47.11 | TimRikerHome | could start a local list server, game server and run bzadmin against the game server and wget from the list server. |
| 20:47.21 | Patlabor221 | if somone tells me how to get the RPM build working I can do the 8+ ones |
| 20:47.52 | TimRikerHome | Patlabor221: need to get the rpm from a tarball working. I'll look into that for a bit. |
| 20:48.31 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's what I was having problems with last night. and sadly I have no clue what I'm doing in that arena :) |
| 20:48.51 | larsl | Should be enough to just move the spec file into the dist dir before tarring it (once the spec file is working). |
| 20:50.21 | TimRikerHome | drinian: added to the project. stating here for the record. /me pats ibot. read only acces assumed for the moment. |
| 20:50.37 | larsl | Using the dist-hook target in automake. |
| 20:50.47 | drinian | TimRikerHome: Understood. |
| 20:51.27 | drinian | TimRikerHome: I need to read the sf documentation, but is there a password for ssh access? |
| 20:51.45 | Patlabor221 | it's tied to your SF account |
| 20:52.21 | drinian | Is that with key pairs? |
| 20:52.39 | Patlabor221 | you can do it with your password or key pairs |
| 20:52.41 | larsl | Key pairs or password, either work. |
| 20:52.42 | learner | you can set that up, it's on the sf access faq |
| 20:52.48 | Patlabor221 | I just use my password |
| 20:53.01 | drinian | Use your regular sf password? |
| 20:53.06 | learner | yes |
| 20:53.08 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:53.16 | drinian | Oh...ok. |
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| 20:57.36 | learner | woo hoo |
| 20:57.47 | TimRikerHome | drinian: your sf user/password will work. you might have to ssh to sf.net first. I'd recommend registering an ssh key and using ssh-agent instead. |
| 20:58.37 | drinian | TimRikerHome: OK, I'll have to read up on how to do that. |
| 20:59.41 | TyroneFHornigh | I volunteer, and learner is on the hook to do the work, cool ;^) |
| 20:59.52 | learner | har har |
| 21:03.30 | TyroneFHornigh | I'm lucky there's no easy way to navigate to that page. |
| 21:04.04 | TyroneFHornigh | Hmm, Baggy's network is unreachable. Hope he's ok. |
| 21:04.06 | learner | yes.. we're losing our fine art of anonymity around here |
| 21:05.49 | Patlabor221 | well that's what you get for putting your real names in the change log :) |
| 21:06.17 | learner | speaking of that, any thoughts on the cvs2cl? |
| 21:07.13 | learner | the http://brlcad.ort/tmp/bzflag/ChangeLog and ChangeLog.more |
| 21:09.08 | TyroneFHornigh | Someone put my real name in the Changelog. I suspect it wasn't me. |
| 21:09.26 | TyroneFHornigh | I was talking to a mac dev friend of mine at lunch. |
| 21:09.38 | Patlabor221 | no, not yours |
| 21:09.39 | TyroneFHornigh | There's no easy way of putting the version in with PB |
| 21:09.44 | Patlabor221 | yours was the one I could not find :) |
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| 21:10.00 | Patlabor221 | mr secret man |
| 21:10.06 | TyroneFHornigh | It's in the Changelog, but I don't think I put it there. |
| 21:10.44 | TyroneFHornigh | Codewarrior has a plist compiler, so I'm going to write a c program which includes the appropriate header files and generates the plist for the App. |
| 21:10.57 | learner | but you are referred to affectionately as "Mis Majesty" :) |
| 21:11.21 | TyroneFHornigh | It means that the project will have a funky version listed, but the product will get the right stuff. |
| 21:11.28 | learner | hrm |
| 21:11.33 | TyroneFHornigh | Mis Majesty? |
| 21:11.54 | learner | search for your name in http://brlcad.org/tmp/bzflag/ChangeLog :) |
| 21:12.11 | bryjen | s/Mis/His |
| 21:12.12 | TyroneFHornigh | Is that a cross between Miss and Mrs.? What is happening to my identity? |
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| 21:13.48 | learner | hey, at least you didn't get the title of "whinny baby girly man" :) |
| 21:14.03 | larsl | =) |
| 21:14.04 | TyroneFHornigh | Note the message right below from MAC, it was related to that. |
| 21:14.13 | learner | yea |
| 21:14.25 | TyroneFHornigh | It's also why I started calling him Brosnan |
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| 21:17.26 | scanline | ibot: nslookup navi.picogui.org |
| 21:18.59 | bryjen | no bicycle? or was that someone else? |
| 21:19.17 | learner | nope, that's me |
| 21:19.28 | learner | I still have a couple of the gas beasts though |
| 21:19.45 | learner | wow, that's some pretty severe bending on those trees |
| 21:20.07 | larsl | learner: Where are you? |
| 21:20.14 | learner | one of those suckers is bound to split eventually if it keeps it up |
| 21:20.20 | learner | maryland |
| 21:20.49 | learner | we're just starting to get tail feathers of the storm |
| 21:21.01 | learner | and I'd bet that Bags lost power |
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| 21:21.42 | purple_clow | hmm |
| 21:21.49 | bryjen | clow? |
| 21:22.00 | bryjen | n ? |
| 21:22.03 | purple_cow | typlo |
| 21:22.13 | bryjen | lo |
| 21:22.31 | TyroneFHornigh | It looks like you really get to see the storm tomorrow morning. |
| 21:23.47 | larsl | ~weather essb |
| 21:24.01 | learner | ~weather kbwi |
| 21:24.27 | learner | not too bad yet |
| 21:27.02 | bryjen | i can just hear the automated thing on the weather channel reading "current conditions at....foo....temp....X...humidity....Y....with...a...hurricane" in a nice calm voice |
| 21:27.53 | TyroneFHornigh | ~ksan |
| 21:28.24 | larsl | ~weather |
| 21:28.33 | TyroneFHornigh | ~weather ksan |
| 21:28.37 | larsl | ~help weather |
| 21:28.43 | larsl | Bah. |
| 21:28.50 | bryjen | ~weather zzz |
| 21:28.54 | Spiff | LoL |
| 21:29.03 | learner | spiff, what's your closest major airport? |
| 21:29.14 | Spiff | Hmmm. |
| 21:29.16 | bryjen | give it an invalid code and it'll tell you where to lookup the real ones |
| 21:29.16 | TyroneFHornigh | Probably O'Hare ;^) |
| 21:29.25 | Spiff | I forget what Indy's airport is. |
| 21:29.30 | Spiff | But yes.. O'Hare is close. |
| 21:29.30 | bryjen | ~weather kowb |
| 21:29.36 | Spiff | Like two hours or so. |
| 21:29.45 | Spiff | ~weather fwa |
| 21:29.57 | bryjen | bah. kowb isn't a _major_ airport |
| 21:30.00 | TyroneFHornigh | There's the site, check that for Indy |
| 21:30.08 | bryjen | but that code _should_ work |
| 21:30.42 | Spiff | Brillant. :-) |
| 21:31.08 | bryjen | i think ibot's ignoring me :( |
| 21:31.22 | TyroneFHornigh | smart lady bot. :^) |
| 21:31.29 | bryjen | TyroneFHornigh: :P |
| 21:31.49 | learner | she knows who treats her well |
| 21:31.57 | learner | ~botsmack |
| 21:31.58 | | sure, wanna snort some with me? |
| 21:31.58 | TyroneFHornigh | ~botsnack |
| 21:31.58 | | thanks, TyroneFHornigh |
| 21:32.09 | learner | lol |
| 21:32.21 | learner | she also sense *ss kissers :) |
| 21:32.23 | Spiff | LoL botsmack |
| 21:33.04 | bryjen | ~weather kowb |
| 21:33.11 | Spiff | ~botspliff |
| 21:33.13 | Spiff | ? ;-) |
| 21:33.30 | learner | ~weather kowb |
| 21:33.35 | bryjen | i think it must've been deleting learner's dud whaleslaps this morning |
| 21:33.51 | learner | ~whaleslap bryjen |
| 21:33.52 | | ibot slaps bryjen upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 21:34.08 | Spiff | ~weather kfwa |
| 21:34.16 | Spiff | Aha. ;-) |
| 21:34.33 | bryjen | i removed several of the explicit "whaleslap user" entries, and it told me to stop making it forget! |
| 21:34.48 | learner | hehe |
| 21:35.01 | bryjen | listkeys whale |
| 21:35.07 | bryjen | ack |
| 21:35.09 | bryjen | ~listkeys whale |
| 21:35.26 | bryjen | oh carp. nevermind. |
| 21:35.37 | learner | hehe, she's pissed at you :) |
| 21:35.43 | creeperz | hshshshjsj |
| 21:35.45 | HughOrca | Need some whale help, call me. |
| 21:35.50 | creeperz | Oops |
| 21:35.52 | larsl | ~listkeys whale |
| 21:36.14 | bryjen | i didn't get them all |
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| 21:37.29 | HughOrca | Only his hairdresser knows for sure. |
| 21:37.43 | bryjen | ~botsnack |
| 21:38.01 | bryjen | and still I am scorned :( |
| 21:38.14 | HughOrca | She's still mad at you. ;^) |
| 21:38.39 | bryjen | was hoping for a single-session memory |
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| 21:39.23 | Spiff | ~weather kgso |
| 21:39.33 | learner | howdy MAC |
| 21:39.37 | Spiff | I'm gonna live like... 30 miles from there. Hehe. :-) |
| 21:39.56 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 21:39.58 | HughOrca | Good evening, Mr. Brosnan. |
| 21:40.02 | Spiff | Hey Apathy. :-) |
| 21:40.09 | bryjen | "conditions: obscured" hmm |
| 21:40.10 | MrApathyCream | hey wollman |
| 21:40.15 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 21:40.20 | HughOrca | ;^) |
| 21:40.21 | MrApathyCream | spiffy |
| 21:40.28 | MrApathyCream | isabel is here! |
| 21:40.41 | learner | she's not happy though |
| 21:40.49 | learner | she was for a while |
| 21:40.50 | HughOrca | She's just knocking at the door. She'll come in tomorrow morning. |
| 21:41.02 | MrApathyCream | i spose |
| 21:41.07 | MrApathyCream | she's knocking loudly |
| 21:41.20 | bryjen | at least its not Humidity: 100% (sensor under water) |
| 21:41.43 | HughOrca | Baggy was mentioning the conditions. Then his session ended with a "network unreachable". |
| 21:41.56 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 21:41.58 | MrApathyCream | NC? |
| 21:42.33 | learner | He's in annapolis, md |
| 21:42.36 | learner | iirc |
| 21:42.37 | Spiff | What about NC? :-) Heheh. I'm confused. |
| 21:42.50 | learner | hurricane spiffman.. hurricane |
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| 21:42.57 | MrApathyCream | oh, annapolis |
| 21:43.00 | MrApathyCream | 1 hr south of e |
| 21:43.02 | MrApathyCream | of me |
| 21:43.17 | learner | yea, he's like 35 min from me |
| 21:43.50 | creeperz | What file types can have tranparents? |
| 21:44.31 | MrApathyCream | wow all this checkin activity smells like a release sprint |
| 21:45.04 | HughOrca | Note the amount of work left in the TODO. |
| 21:45.05 | larsl | MrApathyCream: We have "ALPHA" releases. =) |
| 21:45.33 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 21:45.44 | Spiff | Oh yeah. I have a friend that lives on the coast.. near Wilmington. |
| 21:45.52 | Spiff | She's not enjoying the weather too much. |
| 21:46.00 | MrApathyCream | ain't that purdy |
| 21:46.12 | MrApathyCream | wilmington is relatively safe |
| 21:46.24 | Spiff | Yep.. but it's gettin' some icky weather. :| |
| 21:48.27 | MrApathyCream | bay bridge closed @ 3 |
| 21:48.42 | HughOrca | Did anyone ever get more of the invisibles this week, i'm still trying to get some more. |
| 21:48.53 | learner | ~invisibles |
| 21:48.54 | | methinks invisibles is at http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/index.shtml |
| 21:48.56 | MrApathyCream | invisibles? |
| 21:49.04 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 21:49.25 | learner | I think you have all the ones I knew Hugh |
| 21:49.53 | HughOrca | It's a thursday afternoon pastime in the group. Usually Chestal will be around to help. |
| 21:49.53 | learner | 7, 10, 11, 12, 14 |
| 21:49.54 | TimRikerHome | silly redhat does not like - in the automake VERSION. |
| 21:50.33 | HughOrca | 4, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 14 |
| 21:51.14 | learner | heh, that's funny - 4 and 6 are the only other two I think I've seen :) |
| 21:51.59 | HughOrca | I would be surprised if you haven't seen 6. It was a scene towards the beginning of the movie, and so doesn't share the theme of the rest of the movie. |
| 21:52.14 | *** join/#bzflag sn0w_m0nkey (~sn0w_m0nk@photon.health.unm.edu) |
| 21:52.28 | HughOrca | 4 is not as old as it seems to be. |
| 21:52.52 | HughOrca | I still wonder what 2 is. That one looks very familiar. |
| 21:52.54 | sn0w_m0nkey | mornin |
| 21:53.09 | sn0w_m0nkey | ~d |
| 21:53.16 | learner | hi sm |
| 21:55.42 | Tupone | In a rabbit game if I shoot to a Rouge tank, and, before killing him, I was shooted, I was blaimed to kill a team-mate. It's right |
| 21:55.54 | Tupone | s/kill/being/ |
| 21:56.10 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas (~topgunp38@adsl-68-73-81-149.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 21:56.19 | Tupone | s/being/killing/ |
| 21:57.27 | sn0w_m0nkey | i want to try this rabbit game |
| 21:57.37 | MrApathyCream | Tupone, jeff supposedly fixed that |
| 21:57.39 | MrApathyCream | guess not |
| 21:57.41 | sn0w_m0nkey | sounds like a challenge |
| 21:58.13 | MrApathyCream | Tupone, teamcolor was added to MsgShotBegin |
| 21:58.16 | MrApathyCream | for that reason |
| 21:58.23 | Patlabor221 | shots should be taged with TEAM now, so when it can it will use team shot, instead of player shot |
| 21:58.28 | Patlabor221 | but some kills don't have a shot ID |
| 21:58.52 | HughOrca | sm: we're starting testing before release. If you need a client to test with, let us know and we'll try to get a build available. |
| 21:58.52 | Patlabor221 | so they have to use the player team |
| 21:59.08 | Tupone | I know, but it was giving this warning now, with new |
| 21:59.40 | sn0w_m0nkey | hugh sounds good, you have the source? or should i go to sf? |
| 21:59.42 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/BZ/19/ has the testing builds and tarballs |
| 21:59.50 | sn0w_m0nkey | i run it on linux |
| 21:59.59 | sn0w_m0nkey | ntnx pat |
| 22:00.02 | Patlabor221 | that folder has a 1.9.3 tarball |
| 22:00.08 | Patlabor221 | since anon CVS is jacked |
| 22:00.21 | sn0w_m0nkey | and this is for the rabbit correct? |
| 22:00.43 | Patlabor221 | it's for the next release |
| 22:00.49 | HughOrca | 1.9 includes rabbit. The server defines the game style, like always. |
| 22:01.05 | sn0w_m0nkey | got ya |
| 22:01.08 | Patlabor221 | a couple of the servers are running rabbit mode |
| 22:01.27 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@adsl-66-72-31-33.dsl.kntpin.ameritech.net) |
| 22:01.27 | sn0w_m0nkey | wow 3.1 megs |
| 22:01.30 | HughOrca | We need an ffa server to test on as well. Right now we have 2 rabbits and a ctf. |
| 22:01.32 | sn0w_m0nkey | i shall compile |
| 22:01.39 | larsl | I can set up a server. |
| 22:02.09 | Nidhoggr | I can run a ffa, too. |
| 22:02.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | i want cvs and not the alpha right? |
| 22:02.38 | Patlabor221 | no, you want the alpha |
| 22:02.56 | Patlabor221 | larger versions and dates are better :) |
| 22:02.58 | sn0w_m0nkey | ok |
| 22:03.07 | Patlabor221 | CVS was the dev version |
| 22:03.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | <-child of the 70's |
| 22:03.50 | sn0w_m0nkey | only fractals make sense |
| 22:03.55 | Nidhoggr | what's the difference between the alpha and CVS? |
| 22:04.07 | Patlabor221 | Alpha has the client side filter |
| 22:04.11 | Patlabor221 | and some small changes |
| 22:04.19 | Nidhoggr | so it's newer? |
| 22:04.21 | Patlabor221 | but it's "feature compltea" |
| 22:04.22 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:04.32 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 22:04.44 | HughOrca | We should probably remove the CVS so there's no confusion. |
| 22:04.47 | Patlabor221 | since that was the last feature on the todo, it is now just bug fix phase |
| 22:04.54 | Patlabor221 | I will when you get me a mac build :) |
| 22:05.10 | Tupone | It was with robots. Don't know if they have custom handling of shot. I'll C |
| 22:05.22 | learner | ah yes.. spiff |
| 22:05.35 | learner | you'll appreciate the new client-side filtering, I believe |
| 22:05.41 | HughOrca | I'm not building it on the ibook ;^) I can complete working here, go home and compile and upload before it would complete. |
| 22:05.49 | sn0w_m0nkey | configure: error: newly created file is older than distributed files! |
| 22:05.50 | learner | heh |
| 22:05.54 | sn0w_m0nkey | ? |
| 22:06.03 | Patlabor221 | ok, then it'll be this evening then |
| 22:06.09 | Patlabor221 | when you post it, just remove the others |
| 22:06.13 | HughOrca | What's your date set to? |
| 22:06.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | today |
| 22:06.34 | sn0w_m0nkey | hm |
| 22:06.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | i've never seen that error before |
| 22:07.13 | HughOrca | find . -type f -exec touch {} \; |
| 22:07.22 | Patlabor221 | what time zone you in? |
| 22:07.46 | Patlabor221 | well the tarball was made in europe |
| 22:07.54 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahh |
| 22:07.58 | sn0w_m0nkey | i am ahead |
| 22:08.13 | sn0w_m0nkey | by 13513 s |
| 22:08.24 | HughOrca | No, head is someone else, you are a monkey. |
| 22:08.25 | larsl | CET. |
| 22:08.40 | scanline | learner: sf probably hasn't received its new IP yet |
| 22:09.04 | scanline | learner: one of the DSL lines here is acting funky, I had to put navi on a different subnet |
| 22:09.13 | HughOrca | or maybe a m0nkey ;^) |
| 22:09.15 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~orchid@ottawa-hs-64-26-147-193.d-ip.magma.ca) |
| 22:09.39 | bryjen | lo bzgirl |
| 22:09.45 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 22:09.49 | bzgirl | hi |
| 22:09.58 | Patlabor221 | be sure to wash off the brine |
| 22:10.10 | sn0w_m0nkey | bloggirl |
| 22:10.17 | HughOrca | At least I'm not spouting off ;^) |
| 22:10.23 | Nidhoggr | why does --disable-client not work? |
| 22:10.30 | bzgirl | ah the monkey has been let in |
| 22:10.37 | learner | that's one big hug :) |
| 22:10.43 | sn0w_m0nkey | yesssss |
| 22:10.48 | HughOrca | Anyone who volunteers to put together release notes deserves special attention. |
| 22:11.04 | bzgirl | jb is a whale now? |
| 22:11.10 | learner | quite true |
| 22:11.21 | sn0w_m0nkey | my environment is not sane |
| 22:11.31 | bryjen | he had a *big* lunch |
| 22:11.41 | HughOrca | We determined that orcas are not really whales, they're actually in the porpoise family. |
| 22:12.26 | Patlabor221 | I allways imagine him as a palatapus |
| 22:12.27 | HughOrca | Yum, sushi ;^) |
| 22:13.05 | larsl | bzfs: "Something failed". |
| 22:13.29 | sn0w_m0nkey | hi yoyox |
| 22:13.32 | bryjen | not the most helpful error message, but accurate. |
| 22:14.09 | Tupone | larsl: You got another bzfs process running - possibly |
| 22:14.49 | learner | coo |
| 22:15.05 | learner | now the client will read from a .bzf/badwords.txt if present |
| 22:15.07 | Nidhoggr | wow bzfs is a LOT bigger on the new code |
| 22:15.10 | bryjen | JB's a whale and learner's a pigeon ? |
| 22:15.23 | Patlabor221 | it has more stuff in it now |
| 22:15.29 | larsl | Tupone: Yes, two - but none of them use port 5154. |
| 22:15.41 | HughOrca | The mac guys are a lot more versatile than others ;^) |
| 22:15.44 | larsl | Hm, looks like they are. |
| 22:15.50 | Tupone | what is your command? |
| 22:16.00 | Patlabor221 | get me a hotdog! :) |
| 22:16.02 | larsl | What does 1.7 use port 5154 for? |
| 22:16.12 | Tupone | for Lan Discovery |
| 22:16.16 | larsl | Ah, OK. |
| 22:17.09 | Nidhoggr | I REALLY need an afternoon nap today. |
| 22:17.18 | Patlabor221 | your a beta version of the Dreamcast? |
| 22:17.35 | larsl | Still get "Something failed". |
| 22:17.37 | Katana | I'm a samurai sword |
| 22:17.38 | yoyox | hi sn0w_m0nkey ;=] |
| 22:17.44 | Katana | slicing through code left and right |
| 22:17.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | i touched my bzflag |
| 22:17.53 | Katana | squishing bugs and fiendish code |
| 22:17.55 | HughOrca | and useful for creating sushi. |
| 22:18.05 | Katana | and useful for creating sushi |
| 22:18.07 | sn0w_m0nkey | still get time stamp error |
| 22:18.21 | Nidhoggr | I have a ton of timestamp errors, but it still compiled. |
| 22:18.44 | sn0w_m0nkey | mine bails after config |
| 22:19.10 | HughOrca | Do the file times look right? |
| 22:21.07 | TimRikerHome | sources will be .tar.gz now cause of rpm brainfarts |
| 22:21.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | monkey confused and need banana |
| 22:21.27 | TimRikerHome | pk, and automake brainfarts too. |
| 22:21.47 | TimRikerHome | er ok... |
| 22:21.48 | HughOrca | sm: what's the timestamp on your configure.in file? |
| 22:22.42 | Tupone | larsl: bzfs command you're running? |
| 22:23.17 | sn0w_m0nkey | yaaaaayyyy |
| 22:23.25 | sn0w_m0nkey | i can bring two of my friends |
| 22:23.34 | sn0w_m0nkey | i got it tnx hugh |
| 22:24.11 | sn0w_m0nkey | anyone watch crankyankers? |
| 22:24.24 | HughOrca | ~whaleslap sn0w_m0nkey |
| 22:24.30 | | ibot slaps sn0w_m0nkey upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 22:24.30 | Nidhoggr | what causes "Player Bard [12] on 19 removed: ECONNRESET/EPIPE" |
| 22:24.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | hey lady.. |
| 22:24.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 22:24.48 | larsl | Tupone: Got it working now, thanks... I was giving it the wrong filename for the world file, and the error message was printed to stdout instead of stderr. |
| 22:24.52 | larsl | So I never saw it. |
| 22:25.15 | Tupone | K |
| 22:28.54 | sn0w_m0nkey | http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/play.php?reposid=/multimedia/cy/video/s2/cy_specialed_211.html |
| 22:30.20 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-209-1-21-250.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:32.40 | larsl | 1.9 FFA server at glasstowers.homelinux.net:20000 |
| 22:33.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | finally compiled...i try the rabbit |
| 22:35.45 | TimRikerHome | bzadmin it not in dist like it should be... fixing... |
| 22:37.52 | sn0w_m0nkey | something strange..i am white rabbit, but my bullets are large cubes! |
| 22:37.59 | sn0w_m0nkey | on ducati |
| 22:38.06 | Spiff | Wow. That girl likes to talk on the phone. :-| |
| 22:38.55 | Patlabor221 | and your complaining about talking to women? |
| 22:39.09 | larsl | sn0w_m0nkey: The rabbit bullets are not included in the old data files. You need to run bzflag from the new data directory. |
| 22:39.23 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahhhhh |
| 22:39.27 | sn0w_m0nkey | tnx |
| 22:40.38 | Spiff | Noooooo..... not at all. She's got a really nice voice... hehe. ;-) |
| 22:41.03 | Spiff | It's just that I didn't wanna leave her voice.. but that phone hurts my ear. Owww. That'll teach me not to keep the cordless handy. |
| 22:41.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | 1-900? |
| 22:42.14 | Spiff | Ummmm no. LoL |
| 22:42.27 | Spiff | Some of my friends think she has that kinda voice tho. Scary. |
| 22:42.31 | Patlabor221 | yeah he got a deal on 976 numbers |
| 22:42.34 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 22:42.45 | larsl | I'm not gliding along the pyramids as I do along the boxes - is that intended? |
| 22:43.37 | Spiff | LoL |
| 22:44.30 | sn0w_m0nkey | does 1.9 allow me to drag the window size like before? |
| 22:44.41 | sn0w_m0nkey | or do i only get the options" sizes? |
| 22:44.58 | sn0w_m0nkey | 1-900-m0nkey |
| 22:45.42 | sn0w_m0nkey | it strecthed only in the horizontal |
| 22:45.47 | sn0w_m0nkey | but not vertical |
| 22:46.04 | Tupone | -window option is kinda buggy |
| 22:46.31 | sn0w_m0nkey | hm |
| 22:46.50 | sn0w_m0nkey | i'm stuck with the small window for now |
| 22:47.31 | Patlabor221 | can't run full screeen? |
| 22:47.38 | Tupone | window appears where they want. Sometime you need another monitor to the right to get that window |
| 22:47.58 | sn0w_m0nkey | i can't run full screen pat |
| 22:48.06 | sn0w_m0nkey | i have never been able to play that way |
| 22:48.17 | Tupone | try with geometry |
| 22:48.18 | Patlabor221 | that's the big bug I would worry about |
| 22:48.26 | sn0w_m0nkey | ok |
| 22:48.52 | sn0w_m0nkey | i have always run -window, then adjusted to my screen and such. |
| 22:49.23 | Spiff | Why would I want to call you, m0nkey? LoL |
| 22:49.24 | Spiff | J/k |
| 22:49.26 | Spiff | :-) |
| 22:49.44 | Patlabor221 | for hot monkey love. |
| 22:50.34 | sn0w_m0nkey | ummm |
| 22:50.43 | sn0w_m0nkey | that was for bzgirl ;) |
| 22:50.47 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 22:51.02 | larsl | -solo 10 is almost a challenge now. =) |
| 22:51.23 | sn0w_m0nkey | they were tough lars |
| 22:51.25 | Spiff | Ahh. Poor girl. ;-) |
| 22:51.32 | sn0w_m0nkey | peace #bzflag |
| 22:52.14 | Tupone | larsl: still a little bug on -solo, sometime they go into the building, sometime |
| 22:52.41 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): redundant os x cache printing |
| 22:52.45 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (3 files): Roger takes a first course on Ricochet |
| 22:52.46 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): Robots need a good spankin' for cheating |
| 22:52.48 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/ (ChangeLog): add me as actor of some changes |
| 22:52.49 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): send back 0xff before closing the connection |
| 22:52.51 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): more portable sed usage |
| 22:52.56 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): bryjen found dead code; check for playerIndex==maxPlayers happens just before this |
| 22:52.59 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/include (version.h): ws |
| 22:53.04 | Patlabor221 | ohh boy |
| 22:53.10 | Patlabor221 | I think the IP went thru |
| 22:53.25 | larsl | Hum. |
| 22:54.01 | Spiff | Wow.. robot's cheat??? Odd. |
| 22:54.13 | Katana | weee |
| 22:55.36 | Katana | what happens in BZDB if you try to set() a ReadOnly value that has already been set() ? |
| 22:57.49 | Katana | ~weather kbwi |
| 22:58.05 | Katana | on the rise.. |
| 22:58.11 | larsl | I can't seem to get more than 7 solo bots to join. |
| 22:58.26 | Katana | which server? |
| 22:58.34 | larsl | My own, with 16 slots. |
| 22:58.44 | Katana | ah, *shrug* |
| 23:01.06 | larsl | Tupone can get more bots on. Hum. |
| 23:01.42 | Tupone | They choose team at random. |
| 23:01.49 | Tupone | You have disallowed some |
| 23:02.08 | Tupone | If there is an error joining, bot is dropped |
| 23:02.22 | larsl | Oh, purple is not allowed. |
| 23:02.33 | larsl | That wasn't what I intended - will change that. |
| 23:08.40 | larsl | What's the commands to change game variables? |
| 23:08.47 | larsl | s/'s/ are/ |
| 23:14.58 | Katana | uh oh.. power fluctuating |
| 23:15.51 | Patlabor221 | she can't take much more of it cap'n |
| 23:16.02 | HughOrca | You might decide it's time to batten down the hatches. |
| 23:16.22 | Katana | Dammit Jim! I'm a coder not an electrician! |
| 23:16.55 | Katana | I'm not too worried, sitting on my UPS |
| 23:17.05 | Katana | but I should probably go unplug the wega |
| 23:17.14 | HughOrca | That'll keep your buns warm. ;^) |
| 23:19.19 | Patlabor221 | if the east coast beaks the girl out there in arlington, sreiously I'm gonn kick it's ass. |
| 23:20.15 | HughOrca | Some people should really consider some alternative to owning a computer. http://news.com.com/2100-12_3-5078961.html |
| 23:20.48 | Patlabor221 | same thing hapend with monitor sizes |
| 23:21.20 | Patlabor221 | guess somone is gonna have to explain the term "file system" to a court |
| 23:22.28 | HughOrca | It's more than file system, they'll also have to explain "disk format". |
| 23:23.52 | bzgirl | i think its a valid law suit |
| 23:24.30 | Patlabor221 | techincaly you are getting 150 giga bits of data storage |
| 23:24.37 | Patlabor221 | so they do not lie |
| 23:24.48 | Patlabor221 | just you keep putting formating info in it |
| 23:24.53 | Patlabor221 | I mean how silly is that |
| 23:25.09 | Patlabor221 | the computer should just KNOW where the files are |
| 23:26.26 | Patlabor221 | or just don't format the drive |
| 23:27.37 | HughOrca | The size of a hard drive is completely useless information unless it is used as a comparison/ratio to the size of another hard drive. The number of gigabytes won't tell you how many files it will store, or how many mp3's you can put on it. |
| 23:28.17 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj (project.pbxproj): added version.h to the project |
| 23:28.27 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchunks (~mike@237.14.252.64.snet.net) |
| 23:28.47 | Patlabor221 | and even on the same drive, difrent partition layouts, file systsm and min block sizes will change that |
| 23:28.52 | Katana | hola seņor fiberchunks |
| 23:28.59 | fiberchunks | que pasa |
| 23:29.07 | HughOrca | como estas |
| 23:29.15 | fiberchunks | bueno |
| 23:29.29 | fiberchunks | (and that's about my max limit of spanish knowledge) |
| 23:29.56 | Patlabor221 | donde esta el banio |
| 23:30.01 | HughOrca | que lastima. |
| 23:30.18 | Patlabor221 | quentos estos un cervesa? |
| 23:30.57 | fiberchunks | I think I got bathroom and beer -- but the middle one I have no idea |
| 23:31.06 | HughOrca | I'm sorry. |
| 23:31.23 | HughOrca | That's too bad. |
| 23:31.41 | Katana | Bueno es todo vientoso por aca, pero 'ta bueno todoavia |
| 23:31.51 | Patlabor221 | yeah, what he said! |
| 23:32.38 | Katana | it's a shame you don't know what que lastima means :) |
| 23:32.42 | fiberchunks | I am in awe and shock |
| 23:32.51 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 23:33.43 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): added the ability to have a default ~/.bzf/badwords.txt file that will get automatically loaded if found |
| 23:34.47 | Patlabor221 | 2? |
| 23:34.50 | Patlabor221 | 2 is a lot? |
| 23:36.20 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (19 files in 6 dirs): moved all of the version functions into include/version.h and reworked how the version file is included so its dependants are truely rebuilt |
| 23:36.27 | Patlabor221 | well it left me a little, how shall we say , "un fulfilled" |
| 23:36.38 | Patlabor221 | i guess 19 is better |
| 23:36.42 | HughOrca | ~whaleslap Patlabor221 |
| 23:36.44 | | ibot slaps Patlabor221 upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 23:36.47 | Katana | heh |
| 23:37.12 | Patlabor221 | whana see how I slap people? :) |
| 23:37.18 | Katana | no |
| 23:37.20 | Katana | :) |
| 23:37.30 | HughOrca | We already know. ;^) |
| 23:37.34 | Patlabor221 | k'mon, it's fun :) |
| 23:38.07 | Katana | Hey, maybe I'll get lucky and that 70 meter tall tree will come crashing down on my car and I can get a new one |
| 23:39.32 | HughOrca | They will only give you half a new one, if that much. |
| 23:39.58 | Katana | then again.. that same tree could probably reach the house, this room, and my computer.. |
| 23:40.06 | Katana | that wouldn't be good :/ |
| 23:40.13 | Patlabor221 | is that part of that "rain" thing I hear people talk about? |
| 23:40.23 | Katana | yea, sprinkles and stuff |
| 23:40.40 | Patlabor221 | offft, be a man and take it :) |
| 23:40.43 | Patlabor221 | it's just water |
| 23:40.44 | HughOrca | It's part of the "wind" thing that people are talking about. You actually don't need a big tree to do major damage. |
| 23:41.28 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (Makefile.am): include curses in dist |
| 23:41.30 | HughOrca | Small branches have been found embedded through concrete walls. |
| 23:41.53 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@adsl-66-72-31-146.dsl.kntpin.ameritech.net) |
| 23:41.59 | HughOrca | I thought the curses were included in the badwords.txt file ;^) |
| 23:42.33 | Patlabor221 | those are swears |
| 23:42.36 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/package/rpm (2 files in 2 dirs): move linux readme |
| 23:42.46 | Patlabor221 | he's putting in long standing gypsy curses this time |
| 23:43.34 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/package/rpm (README.linux): move linux readme |
| 23:45.22 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): move spec file for rpm -tb |
| 23:46.31 | Spiff | Dinner! Ahhhh. Laterz. |
| 23:46.35 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (.cvsignore): spec, purge old |
| 23:47.14 | Katana | eh? why hide the linux readme? |
| 23:47.18 | fiberchunks | 'long standing gypsy curses' :) |
| 23:47.30 | fiberchunks | because we do not like to read -- phool |
| 23:47.40 | HughOrca | Gypsies didn't have a lot of chairs. |
| 23:47.42 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): .date instead of -date, add bzflag.spec |
| 23:49.34 | HughOrca | It's a sad commentary on your life when this is exciting. ;^) |
| 23:49.50 | MrApathyCream | what can i say.... guilty as charged |
| 23:50.08 | larsl | TimRikerHome: Did you add the whole ncurses lib to the distribution? |
| 23:50.24 | MrApathyCream | @72, there's not much else to do |
| 23:50.32 | TimRikerHome | no. just the bzflag curses files. a make dist was not including them. |
| 23:50.52 | HughOrca | Let's compare things going on right now, for example Hurricane Isabel wandering through your backyard, or people checking files into a sourceforge repository. |
| 23:50.56 | larsl | Ah, OK. |
| 23:53.19 | Patlabor221 | time to go lay the smackdowns of all smackdowns |
| 23:53.46 | HughOrca | Will there be a webcam available for us to watch? |
| 23:55.00 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 23:55.21 | Patlabor221 | tho it would be cool if you could webcast SC2 games |
| 23:55.38 | Patlabor221 | have fun everybudy, don' blow away |
| 23:55.55 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 23:56.09 | TimRikerHome | brlcad: bzadmin is busted now with the version.h changes |
| 23:56.28 | Katana | ah, forgot I left that sucker disabled |
| 23:59.31 | fiberchunks | either that, or it's a booby trap for when his mother gets home ;) |