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| 00:37.27 | PatLabor221 | 78 not a bad day |
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| 00:44.25 | Bags | even some of my maps got played a bit... :) |
| 00:46.45 | PatLabor221 | keen |
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| 01:40.03 | Legolas | bye |
| 02:02.12 | PatLabor221 | wow the sheer amount of trafic that went thru here while I was gone. |
| 02:11.24 | PatLabor221 | was it fun? |
| 02:13.29 | learner | it was very scrumptious and fun :) |
| 02:13.44 | PatLabor221 | food based fun then I take it |
| 02:14.40 | learner | huge pile of steamed crabs and brew on tap amongst friends |
| 02:14.57 | PatLabor221 | there ya go, fun, in a shell |
| 02:15.00 | PatLabor221 | and a pitcher |
| 02:15.03 | learner | then topped off with ice cream at a local fav. :) |
| 02:15.05 | learner | yep :) |
| 02:15.05 | PatLabor221 | on a table |
| 02:15.19 | PatLabor221 | with those little wallnut cracker things |
| 02:15.30 | PatLabor221 | and that melted butter stuff |
| 02:16.30 | learner | melted butter! no, no, no.. these were Maryland-style |
| 02:16.42 | learner | salty and steamed |
| 02:16.45 | PatLabor221 | ahhh |
| 02:16.55 | PatLabor221 | never having those, I would not know |
| 02:16.57 | learner | although this particular place didn't use the classic Old Bay seasoning |
| 02:17.18 | PatLabor221 | guess the way I have it is alaska style |
| 02:17.47 | learner | they are a treat. They pile the critters in front of you and you savagely tear into them scraping away guts and gnawing at the meat. Very satisfying. :) |
| 02:18.03 | learner | Yes.. Snow/Alaska crabs are "the other ones" :) |
| 02:18.18 | PatLabor221 | yes that is what they are called |
| 02:18.33 | PatLabor221 | seeing how I think I'm closer to alaska then I am to you |
| 02:18.45 | learner | just a lil, maybe |
| 02:19.47 | PatLabor221 | I just have bird and pig on bread |
| 02:21.23 | learner | So I see the room vacated while I was away |
| 02:22.15 | PatLabor221 | I left for like an hour |
| 02:22.23 | PatLabor221 | and noone said squat |
| 02:22.37 | PatLabor221 | creper came and went, and legolas said "bye" |
| 02:35.14 | learner | what the heck.. what was wrong with the second unused parameter to the command hook functions?? |
| 02:37.21 | learner | Hmm.. I'm swollen from all the salt and beer |
| 02:37.31 | PatLabor221 | ow |
| 02:58.30 | learner | Is that what that smell was? Sheesh. JB. Try to hold it, next time. |
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| 03:18.40 | MrApathyCream | learner, mind chaning your server to be +f TH{20} ? |
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| 03:22.11 | learner | no problemo sir |
| 03:22.31 | MrApathyCream | tanks |
| 03:23.52 | learner | there ya go |
| 03:25.02 | MrApathyCream | someone please join me on brlcad? |
| 03:25.12 | captain_proton | i'll come! :) |
| 03:35.00 | captain_proton | hm, lagkick |
| 03:36.08 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton, where are shadows drawn? |
| 03:39.51 | captain_proton | each shadowed object adds a copy of itself to the scene graph, iirc |
| 03:40.09 | captain_proton | which is drawn as a stipple, with a different projection |
| 03:40.47 | MrApathyCream | perhaps the style notifcation callbacks have changed? |
| 03:42.44 | captain_proton | possible |
| 03:46.12 | MrApathyCream | what's the important thing for rendering, the radius (sphere) or the style? |
| 03:46.21 | MrApathyCream | It looks like style var is more important? |
| 03:50.46 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): clearly a bug only scanline can solve |
| 03:51.51 | learner | getting slews of "kicking Player Defman [0] Invalid Id [###] messages |
| 03:53.50 | MrApathyCream | hmmm |
| 03:59.07 | scanline | hmm? |
| 04:01.03 | learner | hm! |
| 04:01.25 | JBDiGriz | It was him ^^^^^ |
| 04:02.16 | MrApathyCream | scanline we need you to fix the first bug in BUGS |
| 04:02.33 | scanline | you mean i have to cvs up? :P |
| 04:02.33 | MrApathyCream | THE BZWorld is depending on you |
| 04:02.34 | JBDiGriz | While you're at it, fix the second bug as well. |
| 04:02.42 | MrApathyCream | scanline, yes |
| 04:05.51 | scanline | heh |
| 04:07.49 | learner | scanline, if you're not busy, would you just go ahead and fix all fo the bugs |
| 04:08.07 | learner | that would be greaaaat. thaanks. |
| 04:08.38 | MrApathyCream | you can't pull the closer out for all the bugs... you'll wear him down |
| 04:08.48 | MrApathyCream | Superhero's are for super problems. |
| 04:09.18 | JBDiGriz | Especially the two headed macintosh problem. :P |
| 04:10.30 | JBDiGriz | Look, up on the net. It's a bird. It's a plane.... |
| 04:10.48 | JBDiGriz | Yeesh, it was a bird. |
| 04:15.04 | captain_proton | ooh, lovely |
| 04:15.11 | captain_proton | someone is suggesting that we send checksums of the client |
| 04:15.30 | learner | oh, what a novel idea |
| 04:15.48 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 04:15.49 | learner | why didn't anyone here _ever_ think of that?! </sarcasm> |
| 04:16.15 | JBDiGriz | We had this discussion the other day. Is this a new suggestion? |
| 04:16.44 | captain_proton | Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:09:50 -0700 |
| 04:16.45 | MrApathyCream | shsssh, there's genious at work, have respect |
| 04:17.00 | captain_proton | ah, nevermind |
| 04:17.17 | captain_proton | its just sourceforge being silly |
| 04:17.43 | captain_proton | err, actually |
| 04:17.53 | captain_proton | its someone ignoring all our comments to the existing one and suggesting it again |
| 04:28.46 | MrApathyCream | Go Micah, Go Micah, Go Micah..... D - O - W - T - Y DOWTY |
| 04:29.01 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:42.43 | MrApathyCream | wow this problem %bMUST%b be hard, if scanline hasn't solved it yet |
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| 04:43.15 | scanline | yeah I know.. those EPROMs *still* weren't blank |
| 04:43.42 | MrApathyCream | *sigh* |
| 04:44.02 | MrApathyCream | it looks like superman has hung up his cape |
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| 04:44.51 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (3 files): Whip the rest of the grunts into shape via commands.cxx bootcamp. |
| 04:46.19 | learner | darn. I was hoping to get bzfs.cxx under 5000 with that :/ |
| 04:47.27 | learner | once there's a new command interface, commands.cxx and commands.h should go away. |
| 04:48.08 | learner | there should probably be some sort of Command class that you extend from that defines the hook function |
| 04:54.10 | PatLabor221 | n |
| 04:54.16 | PatLabor221 | whoops :) |
| 04:55.36 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (commands.cxx): clean up after learner |
| 04:56.26 | MrApathyCream | the ever present task |
| 04:57.38 | learner | Hrm.. musta missed that one |
| 04:57.49 | learner | Now.. if your compilers weren't broken.. |
| 04:58.09 | captain_proton | learner: thats not broken, its a warning that the compiler should throw |
| 04:58.15 | captain_proton | and with debug on, -Werror |
| 04:58.26 | learner | ah |
| 04:59.31 | learner | so.. your saying it's broken |
| 04:59.40 | learner | :) |
| 05:00.00 | captain_proton | no |
| 05:00.06 | captain_proton | i'm saying you need to pay attention to warnings ;) |
| 05:00.16 | captain_proton | you're on gcc too, right? |
| 05:00.23 | learner | Actually, I'm wondering why I don't get a warning for that |
| 05:00.52 | learner | Yea, I'm on gcc too. 3.1 with -Wall iirc |
| 05:02.50 | learner | yep. -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes and not a peep |
| 05:03.14 | captain_proton | is this after you updated? ;) |
| 05:03.24 | learner | updated what? |
| 05:03.33 | learner | this is when building |
| 05:03.48 | captain_proton | after you updated for my commit |
| 05:04.01 | learner | ah, pre and post |
| 05:04.24 | learner | I wouldn't commit code that gives me warnings |
| 05:04.31 | captain_proton | i see |
| 05:10.02 | JBDiGriz | That's what he claims at least. |
| 05:11.42 | PatLabor221 | "I am Jack's fusion powered, hover battle tank" |
| 05:11.59 | learner | :) |
| 05:16.05 | PatLabor221 | fixed it and added some more |
| 05:20.54 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (commands.cxx): learner to win32 translator |
| 05:23.28 | MrApathyCream | could it be that someone moved TankSceneNode out of bzflag? |
| 05:25.43 | learner | don't look at me |
| 05:26.13 | learner | I try to stay out of clientland. I stick to the server. |
| 05:26.29 | JBDiGriz | That's an honor, you need a translator for win32. I am not worthy. ;) |
| 05:27.54 | PatLabor221 | me fail English? that's unpossible! |
| 05:27.55 | MrApathyCream | actually i think it was you :) |
| 05:29.23 | MrApathyCream | would somebody please fix the dang bug |
| 05:30.56 | MrApathyCream | one would think a opengl guru could easily fix it |
| 05:31.01 | MrApathyCream | if only one was around |
| 05:31.38 | PatLabor221 | GL is just an api, not some mystic voodoo |
| 05:32.16 | MrApathyCream | the voodoo is bzflag's use of it |
| 05:32.22 | MrApathyCream | which is were the bug is |
| 05:32.33 | learner | It should be easy enough to fix :) But I don't like getting myself dirty in all that nasty client code.. |
| 05:32.57 | JBDiGriz | Go do that voodoo that you do so well :) |
| 05:33.41 | MrApathyCream | i'm stumped |
| 05:34.05 | MrApathyCream | i also failed at getting scanline to fix it |
| 05:34.09 | MrApathyCream | i'm 0 for 2 |
| 05:34.30 | PatLabor221 | what is busted? |
| 05:34.47 | JBDiGriz | ~dict busted |
| 05:34.52 | MrApathyCream | See bug #1 in BUGS |
| 05:34.59 | learner | How long has this bug been around? |
| 05:35.03 | MrApathyCream | basically when you drop THIEF flag, you stay shrunk |
| 05:35.13 | MrApathyCream | but your shadow is full size, as is your lites |
| 05:35.17 | PatLabor221 | and that's a GL issue? |
| 05:35.27 | MrApathyCream | no the bzflag voodoo surrounding it |
| 05:35.32 | MrApathyCream | prolly TankSceneNode.cxx |
| 05:35.50 | PatLabor221 | look for a call to glScale |
| 05:35.53 | learner | And for me, you actually turned invisible when you held another flag.. you weren't just shrunk. |
| 05:35.55 | PatLabor221 | see what param it uses |
| 05:36.10 | PatLabor221 | that isn't geting reset |
| 05:36.40 | MrApathyCream | i think the crux is there is a ;'style' variable |
| 05:36.50 | MrApathyCream | this var holds how to modify the tank parts |
| 05:36.59 | MrApathyCream | thief, think, tiny, etc |
| 05:37.10 | MrApathyCream | set in, setThief() et, al |
| 05:37.24 | PatLabor221 | yeah |
| 05:37.35 | PatLabor221 | then it's not being reset |
| 05:37.44 | PatLabor221 | slap a breakpoint and get to debugin |
| 05:37.48 | MrApathyCream | it gets set every screen redraw i believe |
| 05:38.02 | PatLabor221 | then condionalise it to when it changes |
| 05:38.14 | PatLabor221 | let the computer help you :) |
| 05:39.05 | JBDiGriz | This morning it was the c++ course, now it's the gdb course. |
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| 06:03.41 | PatLabor221 | man it's like arguing with a child to get IE to behave |
| 06:10.49 | PatLabor221 | ahh sucsess is best savored with clam dip and guakamole doritos |
| 06:11.21 | captain_proton | guacamole doritos? |
| 06:11.26 | PatLabor221 | yes |
| 06:11.29 | PatLabor221 | the green ones |
| 06:12.05 | captain_proton | those are disturbing |
| 06:13.27 | PatLabor221 | disturbingly good :) |
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| 06:17.54 | captain_proton | An apple a day is the root of all evil. |
| 06:18.19 | PatLabor221 | ummm ok |
| 06:18.44 | PatLabor221 | http://p24.bakadigital.com/ |
| 06:19.43 | captain_proton | cosume party? |
| 06:19.58 | PatLabor221 | was a random thing stuck in my head |
| 06:20.30 | captain_proton | did you perhaps mean costume? |
| 06:20.57 | PatLabor221 | in all likelyhood :) |
| 06:21.30 | PatLabor221 | it's spelled right |
| 06:21.30 | PatLabor221 | quote[4] = "Its a constant costume party" |
| 06:21.55 | PatLabor221 | ahh header |
| 06:21.57 | PatLabor221 | see it now |
| 06:21.59 | captain_proton | right |
| 06:22.00 | learner | it's a cosine party where everyone gets out rules and calculators to compute the circumference of her .. er, never mind |
| 06:22.56 | captain_proton | hah |
| 06:30.38 | PatLabor221 | This sentance is false. |
| 06:44.15 | PatLabor221 | well I think that's enough for one fun filled evening |
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| 15:10.21 | Big_Barrel | can anyone here help me with fonts and linux? |
| 15:11.38 | Big_Barrel | root? |
| 15:12.27 | TimRiker | Big_Barrel: what do you need? |
| 15:12.52 | Big_Barrel | ah i just wanted to know if you can install these fonts>>(link) on linux |
| 15:13.16 | Big_Barrel | http://www.1001freefonts.com/fonts/cfonts.htm |
| 15:13.30 | Big_Barrel | they are zip files |
| 15:14.04 | Big_Barrel | but it links them with mac and win |
| 15:14.16 | TimRiker | should work, yeah. distro? x version? running xft or not? |
| 15:14.58 | TimRiker | see also: http://www.gnome.org/fonts/ |
| 15:15.50 | Big_Barrel | Red Hat 8.0/ Xfree 4.2.0 / yes to xft |
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| 15:17.34 | Big_Barrel | how do i install them? |
| 15:17.41 | Big_Barrel | not familiar with fonts |
| 15:17.45 | Big_Barrel | :) |
| 15:20.14 | TimRiker | http://kb.redhat.com/view.php?eid=215 <- for rh 7, but might work. |
| 15:21.27 | Big_Barrel | thx for the help tim :) (you are a god!) |
| 15:21.53 | TimRiker | heh. well, not yet. |
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| 15:22.08 | Big_Barrel | well >> you are at least a BZ God :) |
| 15:22.12 | Big_Barrel | hehe |
| 15:22.16 | TimRiker | you will need to unzip the .zip files. and I presume they have .ttf files in them. |
| 15:23.40 | TimRiker | also there are likely a bunch of free truetype fonts in the rh feed that might not be installed on your system. if you have apt-get, then you could "apt-get update" and then "apt-cache search truetype" to see if there are any you can just add with apt-get |
| 15:24.07 | Big_Barrel | ok thx hopefully i can figure the rest out :) |
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| 15:29.38 | Big_Barrel | hey chiko :) |
| 15:29.40 | Chikorita | Mayhem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:29.45 | Chikorita | hi BB :) |
| 15:29.50 | Mayhem | Chiko!!!!!! |
| 15:29.57 | Big_Barrel | mayhem!!!!!!!! |
| 15:30.01 | Chikorita | Mayhemmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!! |
| 15:30.01 | Mayhem | hi bb |
| 15:30.03 | Chikorita | :D :D |
| 15:30.05 | Big_Barrel | ~Big_Barrel |
| 15:30.10 | Mayhem | CCCCHHHHHHIIIIKKKKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 15:30.14 | Chikorita | how r u mayhem dang i miss ums u |
| 15:30.17 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 15:30.25 | Mayhem | I'm good, missed you too :) |
| 15:30.33 | Chikorita | i tho u fell offa da planet or sumtin |
| 15:30.35 | Big_Barrel | ~whois Big_Barrel |
| 15:30.50 | Chikorita | ~Big Barrel |
| 15:30.51 | | rumour has it, big barrel is unable to grow up. |
| 15:30.52 | Mayhem | Though, hmm, been a while since I checked up on bzflag. |
| 15:30.55 | Chikorita | ~Mayhem |
| 15:30.56 | | from memory, mayhem is on BzR and is a really nice guy |
| 15:30.57 | Mayhem | bwahahaha |
| 15:31.00 | Chikorita | nlol ibot |
| 15:31.01 | Mayhem | awww |
| 15:31.09 | Big_Barrel | ~big barrel |
| 15:31.10 | | i heard big barrel is unable to grow up. |
| 15:31.14 | Chikorita | lol |
| 15:31.17 | Chikorita | ~Mayhem |
| 15:31.18 | | it has been said that mayhem is on BzR and is a really nice guy |
| 15:31.18 | Mayhem | And I just read my bzmessages and I was shocked! |
| 15:31.25 | Chikorita | :) |
| 15:31.34 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack |
| 15:31.34 | | thanks, Chikorita |
| 15:31.38 | Chikorita | yw |
| 15:31.50 | Chikorita | where have u been mayhem? did u go 2 australia? |
| 15:31.52 | Mayhem | I feel really bad for neglecting all my bzbuddies |
| 15:31.54 | Chikorita | nj/w |
| 15:32.01 | Chikorita | aww |
| 15:32.11 | Mayhem | Where did you get that idea? |
| 15:32.13 | Big_Barrel | ~big barrel |
| 15:32.15 | | [big barrel] the most badass mofo around here....besides the BZGod TimRiker |
| 15:32.22 | Chikorita | ive been lookin 4 u ,,, even on da castle wolfenstein game |
| 15:32.34 | Mayhem | I'm still in the same (physical) place... |
| 15:32.35 | Chikorita | lol BB |
| 15:32.40 | Chikorita | o i c |
| 15:32.49 | Big_Barrel | ~Big_Barrel |
| 15:32.51 | Mayhem | Although my gaming time has been abducted by Wolf ET :( |
| 15:32.55 | Chikorita | alot has happend since u been away :P |
| 15:33.07 | Chikorita | nooooo not WET :( |
| 15:33.19 | Mayhem | I bet! You seem to be an experienced IRC user now ;) |
| 15:33.26 | Chikorita | heh |
| 15:33.33 | Chikorita | actually... |
| 15:33.41 | Big_Barrel | ~chikorita |
| 15:33.42 | | chikorita is, like, a pony! |
| 15:33.45 | Chikorita | i havent been on irc in over two weeks |
| 15:33.50 | Chikorita | lol bb |
| 15:34.06 | Chikorita | i came on jus now 2 chat wif u Mayhem :) |
| 15:34.12 | Mayhem | good timing! |
| 15:34.22 | Chikorita | i saw u sign in on da CTF league site an hoped u was here |
| 15:34.28 | Chikorita | :) |
| 15:34.29 | Mayhem | aha, I see |
| 15:34.39 | Mayhem | you must have been missing me! |
| 15:34.39 | Chikorita | hey guess wut i found out |
| 15:34.51 | Mayhem | wut? |
| 15:34.53 | Chikorita | i have :( |
| 15:35.01 | Chikorita | Micky iz from estonia |
| 15:35.03 | Mayhem | :( ? |
| 15:35.13 | Big_Barrel | but...but...but mama says "alligators so onery cause dey gots all dem teef and ain't got no toothbrush" |
| 15:35.16 | Chikorita | i alwayz tho he was irish |
| 15:35.17 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 15:35.24 | Chikorita | lol Bb |
| 15:35.43 | Mayhem | So who let on that I was from Australia? |
| 15:35.50 | Chikorita | only a guess |
| 15:36.06 | Chikorita | i tho i heard u were plannin on goin there |
| 15:36.09 | Mayhem | sure :) |
| 15:36.20 | Chikorita | wen u talked about...chiko rolls ;) |
| 15:36.30 | Chikorita | cuz dats where dey sell em |
| 15:36.31 | Big_Barrel | ~mama |
| 15:36.33 | | from memory, mama is a mommy who gots all dem teef and ain't got no toothbrush! |
| 15:36.33 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 15:36.35 | Mayhem | I'm from there, but been in the UK for nearly 2 years |
| 15:36.40 | Chikorita | o i c |
| 15:36.53 | Chikorita | i have family there in sydney |
| 15:37.00 | Chikorita | mostly on mee moms side |
| 15:37.12 | Mayhem | yay, chiko finally figured it out! |
| 15:37.18 | Chikorita | heh |
| 15:37.19 | Mayhem | :) |
| 15:37.21 | Big_Barrel | ~ducati6 |
| 15:37.35 | Chikorita | i quit BzR cuz u left 4 so long Mayhem :( |
| 15:37.44 | Chikorita | i tho da fellowship was breakin ... |
| 15:37.56 | Mayhem | awww |
| 15:37.56 | Chikorita | ooH lottsa peeps on ducati now.. |
| 15:38.00 | Big_Barrel | cu guys on ducati? |
| 15:38.01 | Chikorita | i jus left it a momo ago |
| 15:38.06 | Big_Barrel | i am headed there right now |
| 15:38.12 | Chikorita | nk BB c u there |
| 15:38.12 | Big_Barrel | cu if you come :) |
| 15:38.40 | Chikorita | i joined HoW 4 aday ...an den i went back 2 BzR |
| 15:38.56 | Chikorita | *sniffle* |
| 15:38.59 | Mayhem | Noo, don't desert BzR, you're the heart and soul! |
| 15:39.10 | Chikorita | such a mess i was in ...wen in despair |
| 15:39.12 | Mayhem | you could have always emailed me... |
| 15:39.32 | Chikorita | i tried ...buh all mee emailz were unreplied or came back unsent |
| 15:39.56 | Chikorita | dunt feel bad .. im jus overly sentimental LoL |
| 15:40.03 | Mayhem | oh dear... dodgy free email account |
| 15:40.31 | Chikorita | so r u in skool>? bizzy wif skool stuffs? |
| 15:40.36 | Mayhem | Tis nice to be missed so acutely :) |
| 15:40.49 | Chikorita | i started an internation league.. |
| 15:40.55 | Mayhem | I'm at work |
| 15:40.58 | Mayhem | ? |
| 15:41.03 | Chikorita | an da team has itz own private forums on centrum.. |
| 15:41.12 | Mayhem | oh |
| 15:41.14 | Chikorita | go look see |
| 15:41.16 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 15:41.22 | Chikorita | wen u have time |
| 15:41.34 | Mayhem | So much to catch up on :) |
| 15:41.44 | Chikorita | da team has pretty much stayed stead in da rankings ...win 1 , lose 1 |
| 15:41.45 | Mayhem | The developers have been busy with the next version of bz too |
| 15:41.47 | Chikorita | heehe ya |
| 15:41.52 | Chikorita | 1.9 |
| 15:41.56 | Chikorita | i dunno im skeered of it |
| 15:42.15 | Mayhem | why? |
| 15:42.15 | Chikorita | learner sez da keyboard controls act different now |
| 15:42.24 | Mayhem | you use KEYBOARD? |
| 15:42.25 | Chikorita | an i play wif keyboard |
| 15:42.30 | Chikorita | nya heehe |
| 15:42.30 | Mayhem | noooooo |
| 15:42.32 | Mayhem | :p |
| 15:42.33 | Chikorita | yes ums |
| 15:42.49 | Chikorita | an plus there iz a polling feature |
| 15:42.57 | Chikorita | u can vote off playerz if u dunt like em |
| 15:43.05 | Chikorita | an bad word filtering |
| 15:43.17 | Mayhem | that could be useful |
| 15:43.38 | Chikorita | mm hmm |
| 15:43.50 | Chikorita | esp. wif bz snerts |
| 15:43.53 | Mayhem | you can vote of teamkillers etc in (cough)Wolf ET(cough) as well |
| 15:44.05 | Chikorita | lol kewl |
| 15:44.13 | Mayhem | snerts? |
| 15:44.17 | Mayhem | ~dict snerts |
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| 15:44.34 | Chikorita | snerts = lil bratty kids |
| 15:44.46 | Mayhem | okies, new one to me :) |
| 15:45.17 | Chikorita | heehe ya itz umm (cough) an AOL (cough) chat room term (cough) |
| 15:45.17 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 15:45.35 | Mayhem | heh |
| 15:45.43 | Mayhem | Hey, is Greg back too? |
| 15:46.01 | Chikorita | ya greg iz back from his trip to bolivia |
| 15:46.20 | Chikorita | i see him play during da day |
| 15:46.30 | Mayhem | cool, he sure travels around |
| 15:46.36 | Chikorita | riccola ? itz a swiss herbal cough drop |
| 15:46.46 | Chikorita | heh ya dat greg |
| 15:46.49 | Mayhem | you have a sore throat? |
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| 15:47.02 | Chikorita | he needs a laptop so he can awayz play whereeva he goes ;) |
| 15:47.27 | Chikorita | lol mayhem |
| 15:47.37 | Mayhem | Yes, like you, so you can play while on holidays :) |
| 15:47.40 | Chikorita | i did have a cold dis past weenkend tho |
| 15:47.48 | Chikorita | heh yup |
| 15:48.03 | Chikorita | i got a new laptop jus 2 dayz ago .. |
| 15:48.12 | Chikorita | tried Bz wif it buh it acts weird |
| 15:48.19 | Mayhem | cool, bz will be faster... |
| 15:48.28 | Mayhem | weird in what way? |
| 15:48.34 | Chikorita | like all da messages in the console keep blinkin...very distracting |
| 15:48.38 | Mayhem | smooth? fast? |
| 15:48.51 | Chikorita | fast ..jus blinky |
| 15:48.53 | Mayhem | oh, thats an option they added a while back, you can turn it off |
| 15:49.03 | Chikorita | no itz a diff kinda blinky |
| 15:49.14 | Chikorita | not related 2 dat feature |
| 15:49.18 | Mayhem | ah, ok |
| 15:49.23 | Chikorita | i dunno wut it iz |
| 15:49.34 | Chikorita | anywayzz |
| 15:49.42 | Chikorita | it good 2 c u again Mayhem :) |
| 15:49.51 | Mayhem | you're all set for high speed bzflag action :) |
| 15:49.56 | Chikorita | heh |
| 15:49.56 | Mayhem | and you Chiko |
| 15:50.02 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 15:50.21 | Mayhem | Btw, I will be going back to Australia, but only over Christmas :) |
| 15:50.26 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 15:50.32 | Mayhem | see you on ducati? |
| 15:50.32 | Chikorita | jus visiting? |
| 15:50.35 | Mayhem | yep |
| 15:50.37 | Chikorita | k |
| 15:50.47 | Chikorita | yay letz go :) |
| 15:50.52 | Chikorita | c u there |
| 15:51.50 | bomber | ~d |
| 16:00.11 | bomber | ~d |
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| 16:15.14 | Spiff | Good morning peoples.. good afternoon to who it may apply. |
| 16:15.18 | Patlabor221 | you fell asleep at the keyboard? |
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| 16:15.51 | Spiff | Nah... I was kinda dozing just now tho. |
| 16:16.32 | Spiff | I'm a lil' ticked off tho. |
| 16:16.51 | Spiff | You know how my cousin Debra died? Some moron didn't anchor their ice chest to their boat trailor properly. |
| 16:17.12 | Spiff | It fell off in front of the car she was in... they swerved to miss it.. and hit someone head on. |
| 16:20.08 | Patlabor221 | sux |
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| 16:30.47 | Nidhoggr | windows terminal services rules. |
| 16:34.54 | Mayhem | Nidhoggr: I'll take you word for it |
| 16:35.00 | Mayhem | s/you/your/ |
| 16:38.04 | Patlabor221 | it does kick a fair amount of ass |
| 16:38.05 | Nidhoggr | well, it's only a M$ product by aquisition. |
| 16:38.06 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:38.07 | Patlabor221 | faster then VNC |
| 16:38.12 | Nidhoggr | much faster |
| 16:38.14 | Nidhoggr | and it does sound. |
| 16:38.20 | Patlabor221 | it's a lot like remote X |
| 16:38.24 | Patlabor221 | it just sends API calls |
| 16:38.36 | Nidhoggr | I use vnc for my mac connections. |
| 16:39.08 | Mayhem | vnc will never have the performance of a native system like remote X, but its not supposed to |
| 16:39.55 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:40.19 | Mayhem | but its free (in both ways) and crossplatform... |
| 16:40.30 | Nidhoggr | it's annoying cuz my cable connection is async, so when I'm at work, my vnc is significantly slower. |
| 16:40.51 | Nidhoggr | we use both at work. |
| 16:40.58 | Mayhem | If you were running windows clients off a windows server, I guess terminal services would be logical |
| 16:41.17 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:41.35 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:41.36 | brlcad | Howdy Mayhem.. |
| 16:41.37 | Nidhoggr | I agree |
| 16:41.40 | Mayhem | dammit, with adsl I can only go so fast with bittorrent :) |
| 16:41.50 | Mayhem | Hey sean/brlcad/learner !!! |
| 16:41.51 | Patlabor221 | but the question is do the ISPs agree? |
| 16:42.19 | brlcad | :) long time no see you :) |
| 16:42.23 | Patlabor221 | ohh you'll get your HL2 source code soon enough |
| 16:42.25 | Mayhem | what the ISP thinks is irrelevant, they provide the service people will pay for |
| 16:42.26 | Nidhoggr | I can get a T1 to home for fairly cheap ($250/mo) |
| 16:42.30 | Nidhoggr | but it's still 250 |
| 16:42.41 | Mayhem | I can get 2Mbit SDSL, it ain't cheap though |
| 16:42.48 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:43.12 | brlcad | How have you been, Mayhem? |
| 16:43.13 | Mayhem | brlcad: indeed, I have been very neglectful. I just caught up with Chiko, she was very chuffed to see me |
| 16:43.34 | brlcad | I noticed, heh |
| 16:44.01 | brlcad | You missed a lot of bzdrama |
| 16:44.01 | Mayhem | brlcad: I am well, far too busy with work, and playing Wolf ET as my stress relief instead of Bzflag :( |
| 16:44.13 | Mayhem | oh I bet I did... do I care? ;) |
| 16:44.39 | Mayhem | From the wipiwiki I see you've been busy :) |
| 16:44.48 | brlcad | That's probably a good thing, since bzflag hasn't been too good as a stress reliever recently ;) |
| 16:44.58 | Mayhem | how so? |
| 16:45.06 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 16:45.34 | Mayhem | gimme the juiciest goss... |
| 16:45.48 | Nidhoggr | hahahaha |
| 16:46.12 | brlcad | To many arguments, complaining, etc a while ago. It's seemed to have gotten better recently, though. |
| 16:46.34 | Mayhem | league related arguments, or devel? |
| 16:47.16 | brlcad | A mix of both, I think. |
| 16:47.26 | brlcad | Ah, so Chika didn't tell you anything? |
| 16:47.41 | Mayhem | nope, but she did mention some International thingy |
| 16:47.54 | brlcad | hehe, turkey |
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| 16:48.14 | brlcad | eep |
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| 16:49.27 | brlcad | Heh, no. Chika's a turkey. |
| 16:49.50 | Mayhem | ah, k :) |
| 16:49.54 | brlcad | If you want a real quick taste, check out bzbb and look for the BZRebels forum :) |
| 16:50.01 | Mayhem | okay |
| 16:51.00 | Spiff | brlcad- Methinks things have gotten better because there are only about six people left who actually visit the "community" sites. ;-) |
| 16:52.38 | Mayhem | OMG, chiko brings nationalistic fervour to bz 8-| |
| 16:52.48 | brlcad | lol |
| 16:52.54 | brlcad | yes, the new league is interesting |
| 16:52.59 | Mayhem | just what we needed... |
| 16:53.12 | Spiff | The only place where you can get points for..... losing? Hmm. :) |
| 16:55.05 | Mayhem | not necessarily a bad thing, encourages participation. |
| 16:55.29 | Mayhem | sorta thing I needed when participating in school sports... |
| 16:57.43 | Spiff | LoL Bagheera :) |
| 16:58.08 | Spiff | I think they just arouse more of that competative spirit.. which can be good... unless you get rude people involved. |
| 16:58.08 | Mayhem | But then where would we get our source of spite and vitriol? |
| 16:58.26 | Bagheera | spoogebob? |
| 16:58.34 | Mayhem | point |
| 16:58.56 | Spiff | LoL |
| 16:59.04 | Spiff | He's just a natural-born moron. :) |
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| 17:03.08 | [dmp] | ~seen ski |
| 17:03.09 | | ski <ski@pool-151-201-123-59.pitt.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 102d 13h 26m 18s ago, saying: 'gnight all'. |
| 17:03.17 | Mayhem | ~seen [dmp] |
| 17:03.17 | | [dmp] is currently on #bzflag (5h 6m 44s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 9s |
| 17:03.54 | [dmp] | Guess he wont be dropping be :-) |
| 17:03.59 | [dmp] | *by |
| 17:04.19 | Mayhem | aww, thats a shame, I wanted to say hi :) |
| 17:04.23 | brlcad | ~seen [dmp] |
| 17:04.23 | | [dmp] is currently on #bzflag (5h 7m 50s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 24s |
| 17:04.29 | brlcad | where is that fella? |
| 17:04.38 | [dmp] | ~seen [dmp] |
| 17:04.39 | | [dmp] is currently on #bzflag (5h 8m 6s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 1s |
| 17:04.41 | Mayhem | he should read his messages |
| 17:04.44 | [dmp] | Dunno :) |
| 17:04.52 | tea|tree_ | Hello all |
| 17:04.55 | Mayhem | hi tea |
| 17:04.57 | [dmp] | Hi tea |
| 17:04.58 | Chestal | I get the impression that it is not well understoot |
| 17:05.03 | Chestal | s/oot/ood/ |
| 17:07.45 | [dmp] | My understanding of web: 50% of all homepages is done by 10-17 years kids, who needs to show their skills, by displayed the funniest jokes on the net, the hottest babes, and finally, cool programs. If they are really cool, they never get beyound the "under construction"-state :-). Less than 1% of all homepages gets most of the hits. 0.75% is porn. The rest is google and alike :-) |
| 17:08.25 | Chestal | yes, but the concepts behind it, they are not understoof |
| 17:08.27 | Mayhem | dont you mean 75% is porn? |
| 17:08.33 | Mayhem | :) |
| 17:08.34 | Chestal | not only by kids, but obviously by almost noone |
| 17:08.37 | [dmp] | Nah :) |
| 17:09.02 | Chestal | and it doesn't help that much of the web is made up of content whichuses the infrastructure, but not by adhering to the oroginal concepts, but by molesting them |
| 17:09.24 | Spiff | Hi, TeA. :) |
| 17:09.51 | Chestal | dmp: well, the web was made for simply hypertext documents |
| 17:10.07 | Spiff | Hmmm... looks like Spiffy's gonna go find some lunch now. :-) |
| 17:10.12 | Chestal | nowadays all kind of dynamic stuff is triggered by web requests |
| 17:10.21 | [dmp] | ah yeah |
| 17:10.28 | Chestal | it's working somehow and it is successfull, but it's all one big hack |
| 17:10.29 | Chestal | it's a mess |
| 17:13.32 | [dmp] | i guess the web havnt really been updated to meet the requirements from PR-departments to handle their eyecandy. |
| 17:17.16 | Mayhem | [dmp]: with the spread of flash animations, its getting there |
| 17:17.53 | [dmp] | ewwwww! :) |
| 17:17.57 | Mayhem | hahahaha |
| 17:18.18 | [dmp] | or well.. depends :) |
| 17:20.49 | [dmp] | I hate when the do serval pages inside a single flashfile. THis makes it impossible to link to it :( |
| 17:20.51 | brlcad | I think he meant female :) |
| 17:21.05 | [dmp] | You can block flash? :) |
| 17:21.47 | Mayhem | Galeon (and Moz i think) have a right-click-block-images-from-this-site option |
| 17:22.14 | Mayhem | I wear peril-sensitive sunglasses :) |
| 17:22.31 | Bagheera | sounds like a poor flash file.......from us control freaks, anything that we want people to link to is a called html document..... |
| 17:48.39 | Bagheera | sf.....is a big piggy today |
| 17:50.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:50.45 | Bagheera | finally got there......that was my running thought from the last time this was dicussed..... |
| 17:51.12 | Patlabor221 | I do wonder why people can't see that an EXE checksum is kinda pointless for a game like BZ |
| 17:51.43 | Bagheera | speaking, before thinking.........which is somwething i am very famaliar with |
| 17:51.46 | Mayhem | not to mention pointless altogether in many situations |
| 17:51.52 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:52.04 | Patlabor221 | it's viable for mmorpgs and auto update systems |
| 17:52.15 | Patlabor221 | but not for open source |
| 17:52.37 | Mayhem | which category is Half-Life 2 do you think? |
| 17:53.14 | Patlabor221 | something inbetween |
| 17:53.28 | Bagheera | the most viable idea i have heard in a while is a user registered servers......and you cant play unless you are registered......at least it would keep the cheat stuff down to a minimum |
| 17:53.32 | Patlabor221 | out of all of that, the most impresive part I see is how they show that they got the source |
| 17:53.46 | Patlabor221 | HL2 was gonna be hacked to hell anyway |
| 17:53.52 | Patlabor221 | it's too high profile not to be |
| 17:54.00 | Mayhem | yeah, like HL1 and CS was, inevitable |
| 17:54.24 | Mayhem | yes, very determined people who stole that source |
| 17:54.25 | Patlabor221 | Bagheera, I don't think it will keep it down, it will just make them think twice about doing it. |
| 17:54.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah, with the key recordrs, that was kinda cool :) |
| 17:54.47 | Bagheera | hey, like i said......lower it a bit.....not much more |
| 17:54.57 | Patlabor221 | you will never get rid of all cheats |
| 17:55.07 | Patlabor221 | so it's pointless to rely on systems that try |
| 17:55.23 | Patlabor221 | best thing to do is just try to maintin the best posible game experience for all players |
| 17:55.53 | Patlabor221 | not trusting clients at all, and having the server verify all thigns would be a start |
| 17:56.49 | brlcad | putting either "the" game state or even "a" game state into the server would really help |
| 17:57.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:57.01 | brlcad | that's a fair amount of reworking that's needed |
| 17:57.08 | Patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 17:57.16 | brlcad | jeesh, we need design docs :) |
| 17:57.20 | Bagheera | trash it all, and start from scratch |
| 17:57.32 | Mayhem | that was one of my main coding interests in bz... |
| 17:57.32 | brlcad | Patlabor's already started :) |
| 17:57.33 | Bagheera | :) |
| 17:57.50 | Patlabor221 | I finaly got IE to behave :) |
| 17:58.17 | brlcad | That's why I've almost completely restricted myself to the server thusfar |
| 17:58.25 | Bagheera | bewarned, the medal is ojnly good till the next patch |
| 17:58.35 | brlcad | I've got that puppy down to almost 5000 lines finally |
| 17:58.43 | Mayhem | heh |
| 18:00.02 | brlcad | The majority of what is left is communication routines that could probably be moved into either libNet or into a libGame library |
| 18:01.00 | Patlabor221 | or to enet :) |
| 18:02.05 | brlcad | You'd still want some sort of game-specific api even over top of enet |
| 18:02.13 | Patlabor221 | code wise I see nothing unique to BZ to keep |
| 18:02.32 | Patlabor221 | I have my generic message packers and handalers :) |
| 18:03.09 | Bagheera | http://www.ee.net/ |
| 18:03.50 | Mayhem | umm, wrong enet :) |
| 18:04.02 | Patlabor221 | enet is a UDP only networking library |
| 18:04.17 | Bagheera | thanks......i was missing that |
| 18:04.49 | Patlabor221 | ~enet? |
| 18:04.50 | | somebody said enet was http://enet.cubik.org or a nice udp-only network library for games |
| 18:05.28 | brlcad | grr.. bzbb.bzflag.org is still being a bitch wanting me to perpetually relogin |
| 18:07.19 | brlcad | Hrm. What happened to the moongroup guy? kernel_panic, I think |
| 18:07.43 | Patlabor221 | remove your 2 cookies |
| 18:08.02 | brlcad | Ah, KP left a month or two ago.. I see now |
| 18:08.03 | Bagheera | you sure.....i had that problem till i actaually wen to bzbb.bzflag.org.......i was still linking to the old site in my shortcuts |
| 18:08.05 | brlcad | I did, Patlabor221 |
| 18:08.44 | Bagheera | and that was this morning..... |
| 18:09.23 | brlcad | Did you set it up to automatically log out after a time period? |
| 18:10.00 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 18:10.41 | brlcad | Hrm.. maybe this is the problem. I don't see a cookie from bzbb.bzflag.org. |
| 18:10.46 | Bagheera | not me.....just had to go to the new site....all was fine......but i didnt delete any cookies |
| 18:11.40 | brlcad | Ah, I found the problem. Browser is set to silently deny all new cookies. Since I delete the old one, it's not storing my state |
| 18:12.32 | Bagheera | you da man |
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| 18:34.23 | Patlabor221 | uggg and I thought BZ was layed out badly in it's source tree |
| 18:34.49 | Patlabor221 | like a DSW or 2 would kill these guys |
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| 18:44.27 | prodan | bot ducati |
| 18:44.34 | prodan | err |
| 18:44.39 | prodan | ~ibot ducati |
| 18:45.17 | prodan | ibot why not? |
| 18:45.19 | | BECAUSE, poopsalot! |
| 18:54.16 | brlcad | ~quol |
| 19:02.31 | Bagheera | ~bzflist |
| 19:03.19 | Nidhoggr | bags, any feedback on new changes? |
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| 19:05.04 | Bagheera | more people are playing the map........nothing anybody has stated to me......but they may be holding back |
| 19:05.26 | Bagheera | after playing it this weekend, my opinoin is that the map is a little jump happy |
| 19:05.54 | Bagheera | and there are some overlaps i have to correct |
| 19:07.54 | Bagheera | not much else.......are you happy with the changes......you want something added/removed/modified |
| 19:09.02 | Nidhoggr | it's pretty darned cool as it is. |
| 19:10.06 | Bagheera | thnx..... |
| 19:10.31 | Bagheera | i will see if i can get you a map without the overlaps tonight....it should be easy |
| 19:11.53 | Nidhoggr | thanks. :) |
| 19:12.16 | Nidhoggr | grrr. courier-imap won't build an rpm because of my vpopmail setup. :( |
| 19:28.52 | Patlabor221 | what is the funciton on *nix to make a char upercase? |
| 19:29.07 | scanline | toupper(), in ctype.h |
| 19:29.12 | scanline | it's not a unix thing, it's C standard |
| 19:29.13 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 19:29.18 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:29.41 | Patlabor221 | I knew that but just said it odly |
| 19:29.44 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 19:37.50 | Patlabor221 | anyone got any idea what the "clear" key is? |
| 19:46.04 | brlcad | Are you having fun picking on the thoughtful sf suggestion makers, Patlabor? |
| 19:49.21 | brlcad | thoughtful, yet misguided |
| 19:53.47 | Patlabor221 | I'm just trying to make them think about what they are sugesting |
| 19:54.02 | Patlabor221 | and perhaps that they should look at other routes |
| 19:54.29 | Patlabor221 | cus I can't see how it wold work, maybe they have some solution that will answer my questions that will work. |
| 19:54.35 | Patlabor221 | but they have not shown it there |
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| 19:57.22 | brlcad | pfft. you're picking on them :) |
| 19:57.40 | brlcad | I like it |
| 20:04.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah yeah |
| 20:05.11 | Patlabor221 | I have been told that it's people "like me" that are bringing the community down |
| 20:06.34 | Patlabor221 | I didn't know I was a terror of the internet |
| 20:08.33 | Bagheera | pats gruff, quick to slice you down, but pretty much fair and knowledgable..........hmm, maybe he is a terror |
| 20:09.10 | Patlabor221 | I would hope I never "slice anyone down" |
| 20:09.17 | Nidhoggr | snort |
| 20:09.19 | Patlabor221 | just when I make a comment noone argues back |
| 20:09.36 | Patlabor221 | or they are just wrong :) |
| 20:10.05 | brlcad | You make comments? |
| 20:10.19 | Patlabor221 | ok I say crap |
| 20:10.24 | Patlabor221 | lots and lots of crap |
| 20:10.28 | Patlabor221 | crap carp carp carp |
| 20:10.29 | Patlabor221 | see |
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| 20:10.44 | Patlabor221 | and I ban people |
| 20:10.50 | Patlabor221 | I think that's about it |
| 20:11.07 | Bagheera | it would be interesting to see cap, mac, and pat in a room trying to decide how to put the network code back together......hey, we already have that.......who needs must see TV |
| 20:11.10 | scanline | carp carp carp? |
| 20:11.41 | scanline | hmm.. whereabouts do Patlabor221 and MAC live? :) |
| 20:11.58 | Patlabor221 | Mac would tell the other 2 to "just fix it" me and cap would agree on enet, but then get into a fistfight over using C in front of classes |
| 20:12.32 | scanline | I don't think captain_proton has a problem with C... |
| 20:12.42 | scanline | jetstream was c++, but we used picogui extenssively and it's all C |
| 20:12.51 | brlcad | Ah, okay... I just ignoring you :) |
| 20:12.59 | Patlabor221 | no I mean putting C in the class name |
| 20:12.59 | brlcad | So can anyone clearly explain the command manager interface? |
| 20:13.05 | Patlabor221 | like Cmydubassclass |
| 20:13.05 | brlcad | Wow. That was a flood.. |
| 20:13.25 | scanline | Patlabor221: oh, that is gross :P |
| 20:13.30 | Patlabor221 | see :) |
| 20:15.11 | Patlabor221 | tho network wise I don't know what else can be done to help BZ with it's current system |
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| 20:15.16 | brlcad | See what? Huh? You say something? :) |
| 20:15.20 | Patlabor221 | not with out redoing the entire movment hting |
| 20:15.32 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_proton] by ChanServ |
| 20:15.39 | brlcad | That should be redone |
| 20:15.47 | Bagheera | speak of the devil |
| 20:15.53 | Patlabor221 | yeah it should |
| 20:16.22 | Patlabor221 | the entire shared network state thing should be reworked with net play as it's basis not lan play |
| 20:17.15 | brlcad | Yes.. game state in server.. client is input to that state.. |
| 20:17.23 | brlcad | but that's just me. |
| 20:17.25 | brlcad | I'm nuts. |
| 20:17.45 | Chestal | problem with all this is that one cannot know how it 'feels' until the implementation is finished |
| 20:17.55 | Chestal | it would probably improve some things and make others worse |
| 20:18.42 | Bagheera | never know unless you try....... |
| 20:18.43 | brlcad | yes, it's a new bag of marbles, different issues |
| 20:18.52 | Chestal | yes, but it's a huge change |
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| 20:19.31 | brlcad | perhaps a good migration route is to get a complete game state working in the server first |
| 20:19.32 | Bagheera | what else is a major fix in the bzflag world.......seems pretty decent right now....... |
| 20:19.34 | Chestal | and all attempts to make huge changes to bzflag have failed so far |
| 20:20.16 | Bagheera | yes, cheat identification is a major idea |
| 20:20.46 | Chestal | my main issue is still lag, not cheating |
| 20:20.53 | Bagheera | so would speeding up graphics rendering......but that is out of my league...... |
| 20:21.00 | brlcad | if the server had an authoritative game state, we could eventually send clients sync updates and make issues like lag and cheating much easier to control |
| 20:21.00 | Chestal | I hereby propose to increase the speed of light |
| 20:21.15 | Bagheera | second |
| 20:21.19 | brlcad | the main problem I see is that there needs to be a game/communication api common to the client and server |
| 20:21.20 | Chestal | lag effects would change with server state |
| 20:21.26 | Chestal | but I am not so sure that they will be better |
| 20:21.36 | scanline | can we tweak pi while we're at it? |
| 20:21.44 | scanline | would make things much more convenient if it was exactly 3 |
| 20:22.14 | captain_proton | so wait |
| 20:22.19 | brlcad | Lag would not inherintly get better, but it would allow syncronization for the common denominator |
| 20:22.23 | captain_proton | Patlabor221 is the reason why the "community" is the way it is? |
| 20:22.41 | Chestal | what's wrong with "the community"? |
| 20:23.05 | captain_proton | Chestal: i'm talking about the average ffa call-each-other-dirty-names community |
| 20:23.09 | captain_proton | not the average ducati community |
| 20:23.12 | Bagheera | i think it was meant as a general statement of some ofhte negative attitudes that occurred in bulk during the summer |
| 20:23.20 | brlcad | hey, cappy.. there you are.. Any chance you could help me out with the command manager interface docs sometime? |
| 20:23.36 | captain_proton | brlcad: sure |
| 20:23.43 | Patlabor221 | well if nothing is done then it won't ever get any better then it is now, since you can't reduce latency |
| 20:23.48 | captain_proton | in fact, right now i'm eating lunch, so i'm a captive audience if you have questions |
| 20:24.07 | brlcad | right now, I believe the cmdmgr accepts a string associated with a global func, yes? |
| 20:24.20 | captain_proton | yes |
| 20:24.40 | Chestal | from what I have heard, the atmosphere in your typical FPS game is even worse |
| 20:25.14 | captain_proton | Chestal: yeah, but people expect bzflag to be gentle(wo)manly, and its upsetting when its not |
| 20:25.16 | brlcad | Did you consider making some sort of Command interface/class to inherit from and add to the manager? I assume you considered this at some point |
| 20:25.47 | Chestal | captain_proton: of course it is, but cheat checks won't help for that particular problem (as won't word filters) |
| 20:26.13 | captain_proton | brlcad: i'm not exactly sure what you mean |
| 20:26.29 | Bagheera | first rule = people suck, second rule = see the first rule |
| 20:27.15 | Chestal | well, cu later |
| 20:28.37 | brlcad | captain_proton: Well, most if not all of the bz "commands" are static. My first thought would have been to create some sort of abstract Command interface (and the Command Manager would be a container for Command objects) |
| 20:29.07 | brlcad | Then you'd have a KickCommand, LagstatsCommand, etc that you would add |
| 20:29.37 | brlcad | That'd let you assocate not only a hook function, buy other oddities such as help |
| 20:29.46 | captain_proton | well - we already have help |
| 20:29.48 | brlcad | aliases, required args, etc |
| 20:29.57 | captain_proton | its an interesting idea, but i don't see the need right now |
| 20:30.10 | captain_proton | in 1.8, required args were just done by returning a usage string if it failed |
| 20:31.09 | brlcad | Yes, the current commands are rather inconsistent in that regard. Some require args and complain about it, some don't, etc. It's all just implicit ad-hoc |
| 20:32.00 | captain_proton | well - it seems like its difficult to enforce that outside of the actual function that handles the command |
| 20:32.10 | captain_proton | since some will require specific formats of input |
| 20:33.17 | brlcad | Good.. Then it gives me something to think about some more :) |
| 20:33.21 | scanline | or maybe CORBA, with IDL code in the help file |
| 20:33.40 | brlcad | er, how would you specify the behavior of the command, scanline? |
| 20:34.29 | scanline | that's outside the scope of this... |
| 20:34.42 | scanline | the IDL and XML-RPC would just be for strongly typing the arguments :) |
| 20:34.49 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:34.57 | scanline | ooh, and then you could use SOAP to send chat commands to servers over the interweb |
| 20:35.06 | scanline | maybe a java bzflag client too |
| 20:35.13 | scanline | and a server written in ASP |
| 20:35.21 | brlcad | ~fishslap scanline |
| 20:35.24 | | ACTION slaps scanline up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 20:35.31 | scanline | mmm, fish |
| 20:35.42 | captain_proton | scanline: don't make me come over there and smack you |
| 20:35.50 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:36.08 | brlcad | So you guys had some fun spelunking it looked like :) |
| 20:36.15 | captain_proton | brlcad: yep :) |
| 20:36.28 | captain_proton | i think hardwire described it best |
| 20:36.34 | captain_proton | "this is awesome! getting stuck, and stuff" |
| 20:36.57 | brlcad | that's only because you gave him his wallet back, I bet. shoulda kept it :) |
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| 20:37.16 | captain_proton | well - it was gonk who removed it |
| 20:37.20 | captain_proton | and he's an honest guy |
| 20:37.25 | captain_proton | though lurgyman did try to steal my keys |
| 20:37.25 | brlcad | Should have run off with the boys pants and then called in some girls :) |
| 20:37.32 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 20:39.22 | captain_proton | if only we had a better camera |
| 20:40.20 | brlcad | Anything else I shoudl know about the CommandManager? |
| 20:40.43 | brlcad | What is the iterate() used for? |
| 20:40.56 | brlcad | why would I ever want to invoke them all? |
| 20:41.16 | captain_proton | it doesn't invoke the commands |
| 20:41.22 | captain_proton | it invokes the callback |
| 20:41.37 | brlcad | same thing.. (?) |
| 20:41.51 | captain_proton | no, it passes the function name to the callback |
| 20:42.01 | captain_proton | iirc that's a turd left over from 1.8, but it could be useful |
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| 20:43.12 | brlcad | Hrm. I'm not following. I add() a command which is a string name, and a CommandFunction callback. I can run it via run() and feed it the name. |
| 20:44.09 | brlcad | Then there is an interate() which .. ahh.. which invokes _another_ callback command for each registered command |
| 20:44.17 | captain_proton | right |
| 20:44.32 | captain_proton | its similar to the iterate in BZDB et al |
| 20:44.47 | brlcad | hm. funky, but I can see a use maybe |
| 20:45.10 | captain_proton | the use is a little more obvious for BZDB, KEYMGR, etc |
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| 21:10.02 | brlcad | Hi Chika :) |
| 21:10.26 | Chikorita | Hi Learna :) |
| 21:10.38 | Chikorita | did u see who iz here? |
| 21:10.42 | Chikorita | Mayhem>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
| 21:10.48 | Chikorita | heehe hes back |
| 21:10.57 | Legolas | back |
| 21:11.04 | Chikorita | an i saw evil nuggy too |
| 21:11.06 | Mayhem | yes, im here! |
| 21:11.08 | Chikorita | wb lego |
| 21:11.11 | Legolas | hey |
| 21:11.18 | Mayhem | Hi Legolas |
| 21:11.23 | Legolas | hi may |
| 21:11.39 | Mayhem | Just like a reunion :) |
| 21:11.49 | Chikorita | ya |
| 21:12.10 | Chikorita | jus like poop wee stick together ;) |
| 21:12.12 | brlcad | yep. I saw the chaos causing hiding monkey earlier :) |
| 21:12.13 | Chikorita | LoL |
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| 21:12.22 | Legolas | off to play bz |
| 21:12.25 | Chikorita | nk |
| 21:12.27 | brlcad | hi legs |
| 21:12.28 | Chikorita | -n |
| 21:12.29 | brlcad | bye legs |
| 21:12.56 | Mayhem | monkey? |
| 21:12.56 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 21:13.04 | Tupone | hi Chiko |
| 21:13.13 | Chikorita | nhi tupone |
| 21:13.15 | Chikorita | -n |
| 21:13.18 | Mayhem | hahahaha |
| 21:13.19 | Tupone | lol |
| 21:13.25 | Mayhem | Chiko has bzdisease |
| 21:13.30 | Chikorita | ngrr :) |
| 21:13.34 | Chikorita | lol ya itz bad |
| 21:13.41 | brlcad | yes, Mayhem you monkey you :) |
| 21:13.41 | [dmp] | hmm "head", "legs" .. More and more bodyparts seems to join this game. Whats wrong with using the mouse, arm and fingers? :-) |
| 21:13.41 | Chikorita | dang |
| 21:14.10 | brlcad | swinging from the bztrees with a flamethrower :) |
| 21:14.10 | Chikorita | heh lottsa "mouse"s in bzflag |
| 21:14.29 | Chikorita | killa mouse ...crxy mouse ... |
| 21:14.48 | Chikorita | bbl |
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| 21:15.31 | Mayhem | k... |
| 21:15.54 | PatlaborTRIL | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.18 | PatlaborTRIL | supid client thing |
| 21:16.25 | Mayhem | Here, brlcad, catch |
| 21:17.28 | brlcad | oof! |
| 21:17.31 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 21:17.33 | brlcad | heavy monkey |
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| 22:00.45 | Legolas | ~d |
| 22:05.41 | larsl | Weird things are happening to me on BZBB. |
| 22:06.13 | larsl | Some boards are marked as unread, but when I go to them none of the threads are marked as unread, although I see that some have new articles. |
| 22:16.21 | Legolas | hey patlabor |
| 22:16.31 | Legolas | i have a question |
| 22:16.47 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 22:17.00 | brlcad | ~sup G |
| 22:17.02 | | nuthin, yous? |
| 22:17.04 | Legolas | can you make circular blocks in bzedit? |
| 22:17.09 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 22:17.15 | Patlabor221 | just boxes and pryamids |
| 22:17.20 | Legolas | hmm |
| 22:17.36 | Patlabor221 | you can use a bunch of boxes to fake a cylinder |
| 22:17.43 | Patlabor221 | but it's not a good idea |
| 22:18.57 | Legolas | like rotate them? |
| 22:19.17 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:19.21 | Legolas | here |
| 22:19.25 | Patlabor221 | but it takes a lot of boxes |
| 22:19.35 | Patlabor221 | noone has implemented them |
| 22:19.44 | Legolas | purple panzer looks like he has some of them in his map |
| 22:19.45 | Patlabor221 | noone wants to look at that collision code |
| 22:19.47 | Legolas | here |
| 22:19.57 | Patlabor221 | he probably has a bunch of boxes |
| 22:20.02 | Patlabor221 | all together |
| 22:20.06 | Patlabor221 | each one rotated a bit |
| 22:20.08 | brlcad | The collision code for a cylinder is trivial.. |
| 22:20.11 | Patlabor221 | I see people do it all the time |
| 22:20.18 | Legolas | http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bentz/bzflag/bzflag.html |
| 22:20.23 | Legolas | it looks like it |
| 22:20.23 | Patlabor221 | I mean the BZ part of the code brlcad :) |
| 22:20.28 | Legolas | oh |
| 22:20.48 | Patlabor221 | yes, and he also wonders why his maps run slow |
| 22:20.55 | Patlabor221 | cus of all those boxes |
| 22:21.03 | Legolas | oh |
| 22:21.15 | Legolas | im trying to make Helm's deep |
| 22:21.17 | brlcad | Wow, that's a cool map |
| 22:23.25 | larsl | "command password not found" |
| 22:23.26 | larsl | ? |
| 22:23.46 | brlcad | make sure there is only one space after /password |
| 22:24.13 | larsl | One space, and then the password. |
| 22:25.00 | brlcad | and that fails? |
| 22:25.04 | larsl | Yes. |
| 22:25.13 | larsl | On CVS code from this morning. |
| 22:25.18 | brlcad | hrm.. |
| 22:25.31 | Legolas | time to eat |
| 22:26.01 | brlcad | yep.. It's b0rked. |
| 22:26.07 | brlcad | Hrm.. |
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| 22:34.43 | Tupone | larsl: could you come on your server and help me to see something |
| 22:35.42 | Tupone | TimRiker: xmission 1.9 ? where is? |
| 22:37.13 | larsl | Tupone: I'm there now. |
| 22:39.29 | TimRiker | xmission.bzflag.org:5154 |
| 22:47.07 | Patlabor221 | anyone have any ideas how I could test if sendmail is working on a linux machine? |
| 22:47.23 | brlcad | sure, use it :P |
| 22:47.25 | Nidhoggr | sendmail -v address@domain |
| 22:47.38 | Nidhoggr | type some stuff |
| 22:47.48 | Nidhoggr | then hit a period on a blank line. |
| 22:48.09 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 22:48.10 | brlcad | Aww. you gave him all the goo details |
| 22:48.13 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 22:48.15 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:48.15 | Nidhoggr | np |
| 22:48.17 | brlcad | Supposed to make him work for it |
| 22:48.21 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:48.35 | Patlabor221 | well --help didn't do anything |
| 22:48.47 | brlcad | man sendmail :) |
| 22:48.48 | Nidhoggr | never expect help from sendmail documentation |
| 22:48.48 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:49.15 | Patlabor221 | where is it's configs the ma page shows crap |
| 22:49.27 | Nidhoggr | um... be VERY careful with configs. |
| 22:49.38 | Nidhoggr | you can blow up the universe with a sendmail.cf |
| 22:49.44 | Nidhoggr | one false move and BLOOOM! |
| 22:49.46 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:49.48 | Patlabor221 | I see |
| 22:49.58 | Patlabor221 | I just want to make it send mail |
| 22:50.01 | brlcad | There should be a big "FILES" section at the end of the manpage so you can make sendmail go kabloey |
| 22:51.01 | brlcad | Oreilly has a good article on setting up and running a secure mail server |
| 22:53.24 | Tupone | Patlabor221: telnet localhost smtp should give some "impression" |
| 22:53.37 | Nidhoggr | ummmm. |
| 22:53.48 | Nidhoggr | it's probably postfix if the man pages say so. |
| 22:54.53 | Nidhoggr | afk for a few |
| 22:55.01 | Tupone | anyone know where I could find the xmission world file? |
| 22:55.09 | larsl | HiX2? |
| 22:55.26 | Tupone | the old xmission 1.7 and the new 1.9 |
| 22:55.36 | larsl | I think it's in the world file tracker on SF. |
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| 22:59.20 | brlcad | Hmm.. the oreilly tutorial is os x specific, sorry |
| 22:59.33 | brlcad | but they do have chapter 2 of their book on-line: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/sendmail3/chapter/ch02.pdf |
| 23:00.25 | brlcad | http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/21/postfix.html |
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| 23:14.07 | Patlabor221 | actualy it looks like I can set it to use an external mailer |
| 23:14.13 | Patlabor221 | if I config phpmailer |
| 23:14.24 | Patlabor221 | but I have no clue where my php include dir is |
| 23:17.33 | Tupone | Patlabor221: have you tryed with phpinfo() |
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| 23:18.52 | Patlabor221 | how? |
| 23:19.23 | Tupone | are you able to run a php file through the web server? |
| 23:19.42 | Tupone | if so just <?php phpinfo() ?> |
| 23:20.04 | Tupone | in a file e.g. phpinfo.php |
| 23:20.25 | Tupone | it gives you a lot of info |
| 23:22.00 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): fixed falling through floor. Hope for the best before doing for bases |
| 23:22.49 | Patlabor221 | http://bugs.bakadigital.com/crap.php |
| 23:22.59 | Patlabor221 | it may be buried in there |
| 23:23.25 | Tupone | include_path |
| 23:23.25 | Tupone | .:/usr/share/pear .:/usr/share/pear |
| 23:24.00 | Tupone | configure file in /etc/php.ini |
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| 23:24.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah just saw that, thanks :) |
| 23:24.32 | Tupone | youre welcome |
| 23:26.13 | Tupone | Yeah, if flag is on top of building. I remember |
| 23:26.31 | Mayhem | that was fun. Shame it wasn't part of a release :) |
| 23:28.30 | Mayhem | Well I'll be, just over a year ago. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=613304&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
| 23:30.44 | Tupone | Well, could be someone fixed not allowing BU on top of building, Are they? |
| 23:31.16 | Legolas | hey mayhem |
| 23:31.23 | Legolas | who won the match? |
| 23:33.45 | brlcad | ~ispell inadvertent |
| 23:33.47 | | 'inadvertent' may be spelled correctly |
| 23:35.24 | Legolas | ~d |
| 23:35.46 | Legolas | ~serverlist |
| 23:36.29 | Megachirops | how could i have ibot find a player whose playing BZFlag on one of the list servers? |
| 23:36.45 | Megachirops | like if i wanted to play with KR, could ibot tell me where he is? |
| 23:37.01 | brlcad | dmp had a cool script/bot that would do the trick |
| 23:37.12 | Megachirops | oh, ya.. that;s true |
| 23:37.29 | brlcad | but Tim has yet to integrate it into ibot |
| 23:37.31 | Legolas | ~d shows who is playing on ducati |
| 23:37.33 | | okay, Legolas |
| 23:38.17 | Legolas | mayhem |
| 23:38.23 | Legolas | who wont he match? |
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| 23:38.47 | Legolas | won |
| 23:38.54 | Legolas | hi apathy |
| 23:39.03 | brlcad | has anyone noticed problems with 1.9 freezing on them in winXP? (/me is closing out bugs) |
| 23:40.33 | Spiff | Not here.... but I have a question. |
| 23:40.46 | MrApathyCream | hey legs |
| 23:40.54 | Patlabor221 | runs fine for me as well |
| 23:40.56 | MrApathyCream | no me neither |
| 23:40.59 | Spiff | Why is it that this Win XP computer can play on xmission fine.... but almost *every* time I connect on the Win ME PC.. it crashes. |
| 23:41.06 | Spiff | That is.. the client just disappears. |
| 23:41.17 | brlcad | Sounds like a bug |
| 23:41.20 | MrApathyCream | did you delete your world cache files? |
| 23:41.20 | Patlabor221 | some API call crashes |
| 23:41.22 | Spiff | Sometimes it takes a few minutes then does it... but most times it crashes the *second* I hit connect. |
| 23:41.30 | Patlabor221 | what version of directX is on the ME machine? |
| 23:41.38 | Patlabor221 | a number of them were unstable under ME |
| 23:41.52 | Spiff | But it never happens *anywhere* but on xmission.. keep that in mind. |
| 23:42.16 | Patlabor221 | dono, maybe something there jacks your GL or your winsock |
| 23:42.19 | Patlabor221 | and XP has it fixed |
| 23:42.29 | Patlabor221 | you have a dev enviorn there, debug it |
| 23:43.17 | MrApathyCream | brlcad, does your server still have a plethora of TH flags? |
| 23:43.41 | brlcad | yes |
| 23:43.57 | MrApathyCream | the server computes the clients checksum, so it's ok right? |
| 23:44.00 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 23:44.19 | Patlabor221 | and the server magicly gets the data :) |
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| 23:46.49 | Megachirops | hey all, check this out http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994215 |
| 23:47.49 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 23:47.59 | Patlabor221 | most processors run more then one type of OS |
| 23:48.11 | Megachirops | at the same time? |
| 23:48.25 | Patlabor221 | sure, Vmware :) |
| 23:48.31 | Megachirops | lol :) |
| 23:49.06 | Patlabor221 | but that is nice, basicly an abstration layer on the CPU |
| 23:49.38 | Tupone | I read about that, IBM did on the '70 |
| 23:49.40 | Megachirops | ya.. sounds glitchy tho.. i don't know how they're gonna make it efficient or even interfacable |
| 23:50.06 | brlcad | Any developer: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=608769&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
| 23:50.36 | Spiff | Do people with VC++ who like to look at the code count as developers? Or do I have to change something? ;-) |
| 23:50.37 | Chikorita | im waiting for all the 64-bit processors to come to market |
| 23:50.54 | MrApathyCream | could someone jump on brlcad's 1.9 server grab a thief and drop it, and then just sit there please |
| 23:50.59 | brlcad | It's a rather old bug that I certainly don't observe. Any problems declaring it fixed? Can bzfs even run on winxp right now? |
| 23:51.05 | Megachirops | isn't Intel's coming out in like 2004-5? |
| 23:51.20 | Chikorita | i think so ... |
| 23:51.26 | DTRemenak | chik: they "all" are: Alpha, SPARC, Itanium/Itanium II, G5, Opteron, and Athlon64 |
| 23:51.31 | Chikorita | they hafta answer AMD's 64-bit chip |
| 23:51.49 | DTRemenak | The Itanium is intel's, it's been out >1 year |
| 23:51.58 | Megachirops | lol, Alpha, SPARC and Itanium don't count... |
| 23:52.00 | Chikorita | nwell i mean to where itz like affordable to da general public |
| 23:52.04 | DTRemenak | it's just so goshdarn expensive and slow, noone uses it |
| 23:52.17 | MrApathyCream | pweeasse? |
| 23:52.40 | brlcad | Heh, I would if I had a 1.9 client, MAC |
| 23:52.52 | brlcad | I can bzadmin in, but that doesn't help does it? :) |
| 23:52.53 | DTRemenak | ok, I will... |
| 23:53.19 | brlcad | So... I'm good to close the bug? |
| 23:53.27 | brlcad | Can I get a second vote in favor? |
| 23:55.17 | Chikorita | u have my vote L heh ;) |
| 23:55.21 | Spiff | Errrr. ;-) |
| 23:55.30 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:56.59 | Chikorita | wee played a match today L |
| 23:57.08 | brlcad | Cool :) |
| 23:57.11 | brlcad | Did we win? |
| 23:57.15 | Chikorita | BzR vs. Fortix ...mee an greg |
| 23:57.18 | Chikorita | tie 3-3 |
| 23:57.21 | Chikorita | :) |
| 23:57.23 | Chikorita | :P |
| 23:57.23 | brlcad | Ah. |
| 23:57.24 | brlcad | :) |
| 23:57.24 | Chikorita | :/ |
| 23:57.26 | Chikorita | heh |
| 23:57.37 | Chikorita | it was a tuff match |
| 23:57.38 | brlcad | That's good.. They didn't get revengence |
| 23:57.47 | Chikorita | wee were winning too |
| 23:57.49 | MrApathyCream | tupone came to the rescue, thanks |
| 23:57.51 | Chikorita | heh ya |
| 23:57.59 | Chikorita | mayhem was there jus in case |
| 23:58.15 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, so in Player.addPlayer() setNormal is being called |
| 23:58.26 | MrApathyCream | when you don't have a flag, however you are still drawn small |
| 23:58.38 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221, do you know how the scene node stuff works? |
| 23:58.45 | brlcad | Is anyone building with Visual .NET? |
| 23:58.57 | MrApathyCream | Is there one scene node per player, and you just reuse it every screen redraw? |
| 23:59.28 | Chikorita | revengence ...i like that word ;) heh |
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| 23:59.43 | MrApathyCream | the scene node gets converted into a glList that gets rebuilt each screen redraw? |
| 23:59.56 | DTRemenak_ | hmph...MAC: I tried |