| 00:00.18 | MrApathyCream | thanks dt, tupone beat you to it |
| 00:00.23 | DTRemenak_ | anybody have any idea why hitting "find server" would make the computer lock up (no alt-tab either)? |
| 00:00.29 | DTRemenak_ | Win98, 1.9.5 |
| 00:00.50 | brlcad | captain_proton: I envokith thee |
| 00:01.04 | DTRemenak_ | did it twice for me |
| 00:01.44 | DTRemenak_ | modem lights were just acting as if I had IRC only open |
| 00:02.09 | MrApathyCream | DT wonder if the broadcast lan lookup could be the culprit |
| 00:02.19 | MrApathyCream | i 'think' that was added lately |
| 00:02.31 | DTRemenak_ | http connection to list server:5156 works |
| 00:02.38 | DTRemenak_ | hm, could be |
| 00:02.40 | MrApathyCream | Patrick? |
| 00:02.54 | DTRemenak_ | no servers running on the lan, which is the primary interface |
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| 00:03.17 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 00:03.31 | Chikorita | gnite nite all |
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| 00:04.06 | MrApathyCream | Patrick? |
| 00:04.38 | MrApathyCream | can you explain how scene nodes work in bz? |
| 00:04.56 | brlcad | Does the quick admin ban function key work? |
| 00:05.27 | MrApathyCream | brlcad, dunno |
| 00:06.57 | Spiff | Hello gonk. :-) |
| 00:07.24 | Spiff | Or not. :) |
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| 00:14.26 | MrApathyCream | --and they say chat rooms are the armpit of the internet--- |
| 00:15.17 | Patlabor221 | I consider us more of a lymph node |
| 00:16.44 | MrApathyCream | nasal cavity contents |
| 00:18.59 | MrApathyCream | so are you purposely keeping the mystery of scene nodes to yourself? |
| 00:19.10 | Patlabor221 | me? |
| 00:19.41 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 00:20.01 | Patlabor221 | what makes you think I know how they work? |
| 00:20.07 | Patlabor221 | I've just putterd in them. |
| 00:20.18 | MrApathyCream | your the gl graphics guru guy |
| 00:20.49 | Patlabor221 | well thank you, but most of that scene note stuff is not GL |
| 00:20.56 | Patlabor221 | and that's the stuff I don't know |
| 00:21.00 | MrApathyCream | yeah, but close enough |
| 00:21.16 | MrApathyCream | Here's some questions: |
| 00:21.24 | Patlabor221 | it's just an API |
| 00:21.46 | MrApathyCream | I assume the scene node is a 'singleton' as regards one tank |
| 00:21.57 | MrApathyCream | that is, you create it once, and reuse it over and over? |
| 00:22.09 | Patlabor221 | no, I think there is one per tank |
| 00:22.33 | MrApathyCream | yes, but i mean, reused from screen redraw to the next |
| 00:22.40 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah |
| 00:22.50 | Patlabor221 | it's not created each time |
| 00:22.54 | Patlabor221 | that would be silly :) |
| 00:23.01 | MrApathyCream | so, the Player calls addPlayer which mods the TankSceneNode |
| 00:23.05 | MrApathyCream | (each frame redraw) |
| 00:23.14 | Patlabor221 | it should make a new tank node |
| 00:23.20 | Patlabor221 | one per tank |
| 00:23.28 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 00:23.43 | Patlabor221 | I think it just keeps a single GL list id around for the geo |
| 00:23.44 | MrApathyCream | put for a particular tank, addPlayer mods that players TankSceneNode |
| 00:23.59 | MrApathyCream | in there, if that tank has no flag, setNormal() is called |
| 00:24.07 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 00:24.10 | MrApathyCream | set normal sets the tank sphere, and sets the style member variable' |
| 00:24.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:24.45 | Patlabor221 | that tells how large to draw it when it needs drawing |
| 00:24.59 | Patlabor221 | is that not getting reset when the theif flag is lost? |
| 00:25.03 | MrApathyCream | by accessing the style factors array |
| 00:25.24 | MrApathyCream | when the thief flag is lost, addPlayer correctly calls setNormal() |
| 00:25.35 | MrApathyCream | and the style is 'normal' |
| 00:25.42 | Patlabor221 | ok, sounds good |
| 00:25.53 | MrApathyCream | so these scene nodes get converted to a gl list |
| 00:26.08 | MrApathyCream | does this conversion happen every redraw or does the list always exist |
| 00:26.11 | Patlabor221 | the node calls list |
| 00:26.18 | Patlabor221 | the list is a one shot |
| 00:26.23 | Patlabor221 | it just holds the geo |
| 00:26.37 | MrApathyCream | so the glList just holds the primitives for one scene redraw? |
| 00:26.39 | Patlabor221 | then the geo is transofrmed by the current matrix |
| 00:26.46 | Patlabor221 | no for all redraws |
| 00:26.48 | Patlabor221 | it's the tank |
| 00:26.57 | Patlabor221 | in it's default orientation |
| 00:26.58 | Patlabor221 | in parts |
| 00:27.01 | MrApathyCream | so every redraw, the primitives in the gl list are mutated? |
| 00:27.06 | Patlabor221 | a frame update works like this |
| 00:27.11 | MrApathyCream | as oposed to being readded |
| 00:27.15 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 00:27.18 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:27.32 | MrApathyCream | so without intervention, the tank will draw like it was last frame? |
| 00:27.34 | Patlabor221 | the entire point of the list is so you add it once |
| 00:27.39 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 00:27.43 | Patlabor221 | no no no |
| 00:27.52 | Patlabor221 | the list is the tank in a default orientation |
| 00:28.00 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 00:28.01 | Patlabor221 | updates go like this |
| 00:28.15 | Patlabor221 | transform matrix to node position ( in world coords ) |
| 00:28.20 | MrApathyCream | check |
| 00:28.30 | MrApathyCream | (ok) |
| 00:28.30 | Patlabor221 | rotate to node orient ( in world coord ) |
| 00:28.33 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 00:28.37 | Patlabor221 | scale to current mode |
| 00:28.43 | MrApathyCream | ok where is that scale? |
| 00:28.43 | Patlabor221 | set color and crap |
| 00:28.53 | Patlabor221 | from the style |
| 00:28.54 | MrApathyCream | because the shadow scales correctly |
| 00:28.56 | Patlabor221 | then call the list |
| 00:28.59 | MrApathyCream | but the tank doesn't |
| 00:29.07 | Patlabor221 | ok then look for a call to glScale |
| 00:29.13 | Patlabor221 | that's what does the scale matrix |
| 00:29.30 | Patlabor221 | it may use a "scale factor" float |
| 00:29.36 | Patlabor221 | maybe that's not being set |
| 00:30.14 | MrApathyCream | glscale only happens in backroundrenderer, boltscenenode, spherescenenode |
| 00:30.30 | Patlabor221 | then something has to scale the goe |
| 00:30.41 | Patlabor221 | and I know the raw list stuff doesn't do it |
| 00:30.57 | MrApathyCream | should i look for the openList call or whatever it's called? |
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| 00:31.07 | Big_Barrel | any one home? |
| 00:31.16 | Patlabor221 | you can |
| 00:31.21 | Patlabor221 | but first find where we call the list |
| 00:31.24 | Patlabor221 | that's where it's drawn |
| 00:31.46 | MrApathyCream | gl method? |
| 00:32.02 | Patlabor221 | glCallList |
| 00:32.10 | Patlabor221 | or calllistsv |
| 00:32.21 | Patlabor221 | let me get latest and see |
| 00:32.27 | MrApathyCream | prolly SceneRenderer::render |
| 00:32.34 | MrApathyCream | in Bzflag dir |
| 00:33.09 | Patlabor221 | no, not all nodes use lists |
| 00:33.16 | Patlabor221 | or a lteast they shoudln't |
| 00:33.20 | MrApathyCream | there is a node->getRenderNodes(*this); |
| 00:33.53 | Patlabor221 | sure that tells the node to go a head a add it's parts to the render list |
| 00:34.36 | MrApathyCream | which calls TankSceneNode::addRenderNodes |
| 00:34.38 | Patlabor221 | where are styleFactors used? |
| 00:34.45 | Patlabor221 | take it from what you know is wrong |
| 00:34.46 | MrApathyCream | TankSceneNode |
| 00:34.47 | Patlabor221 | don't guess |
| 00:35.13 | Patlabor221 | do the lights render properly? |
| 00:35.21 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 00:35.25 | MrApathyCream | as does the shadow |
| 00:36.32 | Patlabor221 | I'm guessing TankSceneNode::LowTankRenderNode:getParts() isn't called |
| 00:36.47 | Patlabor221 | man, no wonder this crap runs so slow |
| 00:37.46 | MrApathyCream | i don't know |
| 00:37.51 | MrApathyCream | i could check |
| 00:38.39 | MrApathyCream | yes it does |
| 00:38.40 | MrApathyCream | TankSceneNode::LowTankRenderNode::getParts(TankSceneNode::TankRenderNode::Style Normal) line 801 |
| 00:38.40 | MrApathyCream | TankSceneNode::TankRenderNode::render() line 608 + 23 bytes |
| 00:38.40 | MrApathyCream | RenderNodeList::render() line 47 + 31 bytes |
| 00:38.40 | MrApathyCream | BackgroundRenderer::drawGroundShadows(SceneRenderer & {...}) line 717 |
| 00:38.40 | MrApathyCream | BackgroundRenderer::render(SceneRenderer & {...}) line 490 |
| 00:38.42 | MrApathyCream | SceneRenderer::render(unsigned char 1, unsigned char 0, unsigned char 0) line 643 |
| 00:38.46 | MrApathyCream | playingLoop() line 6215 |
| 00:39.36 | Patlabor221 | why the hell are we even making lists? |
| 00:39.43 | Patlabor221 | and we never ditch them |
| 00:39.47 | Patlabor221 | this is soo stupid |
| 00:40.37 | triclops | you can't ditch display lists |
| 00:40.55 | Spiff | Well hello there, tri. :-) |
| 00:40.57 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 00:41.01 | Patlabor221 | sure you can |
| 00:41.05 | brlcad | uh oh.. patty's getting worked up again |
| 00:41.20 | brlcad | who told him to look at the code?! |
| 00:41.36 | Patlabor221 | glDeleteLists |
| 00:41.53 | triclops | okay, fair enough. but why would you want to? |
| 00:41.59 | triclops | gidday spiff |
| 00:42.14 | Patlabor221 | well when the data in them changes |
| 00:42.28 | MrApathyCream | i am glignorant |
| 00:42.33 | brlcad | lol |
| 00:42.40 | Patlabor221 | but for us it seems we just generate them each frame anayway |
| 00:42.58 | MrApathyCream | getParts is getting called, and the style seems right |
| 00:43.11 | MrApathyCream | prepStyle appears to be where the scaleing factors are calculated |
| 00:43.22 | Patlabor221 | yeah that is where they are |
| 00:43.29 | Patlabor221 | now to just see where they are used |
| 00:44.00 | MrApathyCream | not sure why this line is ther |
| 00:44.00 | Patlabor221 | are the parts ok if you blow up? |
| 00:44.08 | MrApathyCream | i don't know |
| 00:44.20 | MrApathyCream | if (parts[style] == 0) { make list |
| 00:44.25 | MrApathyCream | nothing in the else |
| 00:44.46 | MrApathyCream | i guess equivalent to null |
| 00:44.48 | Patlabor221 | make sure not to make the lists again if they haven't been removed |
| 00:44.57 | Spiff | OoOoO... dinner! |
| 00:45.04 | Patlabor221 | they use list ID 0 to mean no list |
| 00:45.12 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 00:45.21 | Patlabor221 | since a list is just an int |
| 00:46.20 | Patlabor221 | oh I see |
| 00:46.21 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 00:46.56 | MrApathyCream | what do you see? :) |
| 00:47.02 | Patlabor221 | ya know when the peron who wrote this had to #define glVertex3f as something else, perhaps that was the time to say "maybe this isn't the best way" |
| 00:47.25 | brlcad | heheh |
| 00:47.34 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 00:47.46 | MrApathyCream | fixee fixee!! |
| 00:47.57 | Patlabor221 | well the lists aren't beeing cleared |
| 00:48.19 | Patlabor221 | 0 is a valid list |
| 00:48.21 | Patlabor221 | one sec |
| 00:48.28 | Patlabor221 | it is very |
| 00:48.34 | Patlabor221 | I am working on a change |
| 00:49.10 | Patlabor221 | proably filled your implementations max lists |
| 00:49.44 | MrApathyCream | go pat go pat go pat |
| 00:50.03 | brlcad | That would explain why the tanks went invisible to me |
| 00:52.28 | MrApathyCream | yes i had that happen too |
| 00:52.47 | Patlabor221 | need to call FreeParts when ever the style changes |
| 00:52.55 | Patlabor221 | what funcs change the style |
| 00:53.42 | MrApathyCream | um |
| 00:53.48 | Patlabor221 | or doInitContext() |
| 00:53.51 | Patlabor221 | ether of those |
| 00:54.25 | Patlabor221 | that's your problem |
| 00:54.30 | Patlabor221 | the list isn't rebuildt |
| 00:54.44 | MrApathyCream | well i guess setNormal, setObese, setThief, setThin etc. could do that |
| 00:55.10 | Patlabor221 | if you call freeparts then next time thru it will rebuild the lists |
| 00:55.28 | MrApathyCream | freeparts is a method of SceneNode? |
| 00:55.39 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:55.46 | Patlabor221 | well at least the tank one |
| 00:56.04 | MrApathyCream | ok lemme try |
| 00:56.13 | Patlabor221 | let me do a commit first |
| 00:56.34 | Patlabor221 | checking to make sure it bilds |
| 00:56.43 | Patlabor221 | it will make it so we don't waste lists |
| 00:57.04 | Patlabor221 | and so it will only build new lists when it doesn't have old lists |
| 00:58.22 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Make tank gl lists not suck ( actualy free them when we are done, and 0 is a valid list ) |
| 00:58.51 | MrApathyCream | coo |
| 00:58.59 | Patlabor221 | try that, I'm gonna run home |
| 00:59.09 | MrApathyCream | so you think all fixed? |
| 00:59.14 | MrApathyCream | or i still need to freeParts? |
| 00:59.25 | Patlabor221 | no, you need to call freelists when the state changes |
| 00:59.37 | Patlabor221 | that will triger a rebuild on the next render |
| 00:59.40 | MrApathyCream | bummer there's three that need to free, low, med, high |
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| 00:59.49 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:59.59 | MrApathyCream | wonder why low works correctly? (shadow) |
| 00:59.59 | Patlabor221 | tho only 2 are active at the most |
| 01:00.10 | Patlabor221 | dono |
| 01:00.14 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 01:00.19 | MrApathyCream | thanks a billion |
| 01:00.23 | Patlabor221 | luck, cus it may be using old lists |
| 01:00.33 | Patlabor221 | 0 is a valid list |
| 01:00.37 | Patlabor221 | so that could screw up stuff |
| 01:00.43 | Patlabor221 | gotta go |
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| 01:06.12 | MrApathyCream | someone join me on brlcad please? |
| 01:06.57 | MrApathyCream | pweaaase? |
| 01:08.14 | MrApathyCream | aw come on, somebody? |
| 01:08.19 | MrApathyCream | LEARNER!! |
| 01:08.29 | brlcad | lol |
| 01:08.40 | brlcad | Sorry, buddy.. I'm still at work. No client |
| 01:08.58 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 01:09.10 | Spiff | Apathy- Do I need the latest build from bakadigital? |
| 01:09.23 | DTRemenak | MAC: I'm there |
| 01:10.35 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 01:10.37 | MrApathyCream | thanks |
| 01:10.55 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Attempt to fix the mischevious TH size bug, but as all the slackards in #bzflag other than Jeff wouldn't help, who knows if it's fixed |
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| 01:17.08 | PatLabor221 | so did it work? |
| 01:18.19 | MrApathyCream | well, it's really odd |
| 01:18.26 | MrApathyCream | when you drop TH it seems to be working |
| 01:18.29 | DTRemenak | got any idea of how to fix it? |
| 01:18.40 | MrApathyCream | but when grabbing TH tank goes invisible |
| 01:18.47 | MrApathyCream | but i can see it far away (lo res mode) |
| 01:19.26 | MrApathyCream | goin' to get some grub |
| 01:21.40 | PatLabor221 | besure to clean the dirt off em |
| 01:27.44 | brlcad | SHAWEET! finally got my forked process cpu usage utilization working! go me. go me. |
| 01:28.15 | PatLabor221 | huzah |
| 01:32.31 | PatLabor221 | what server has an assload of theif? |
| 01:32.54 | brlcad | there are 20 or so on brlcad, I can make it more |
| 01:33.22 | PatLabor221 | so all I have to do is get one then I see the problem? |
| 01:33.39 | brlcad | get someone else to get one |
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| 01:34.01 | brlcad | speaking of someone else |
| 01:34.06 | PatLabor221 | then as soon as this build is done I shall need a vouleneer :) |
| 01:34.07 | brlcad | there ya go :) |
| 01:34.30 | JBDiGriz | ~dict vouleneer |
| 01:34.55 | JBDiGriz | ~fr en vouleneer |
| 01:35.26 | JBDiGriz | ~listkeys translate |
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| 01:35.54 | brlcad | ~listkeys babelfish |
| 01:36.00 | brlcad | bah! |
| 01:36.20 | JBDiGriz | perhaps SGI could help. It sounds like a French word. |
| 01:36.40 | SGI | hello wazzzzzzzup |
| 01:36.49 | JBDiGriz | Any idea what a "vouleneer" is, and why pat would need one? |
| 01:36.50 | SGI | which word |
| 01:37.01 | SGI | sgienglish ready to run |
| 01:37.06 | brlcad | heh |
| 01:37.22 | SGI | french |
| 01:37.33 | PatLabor221 | can someone get in tehre? |
| 01:37.51 | JBDiGriz | We could have a filter which translates from PatFrench to SGIEnglish. It would be funnier than babelfish. :) |
| 01:38.16 | SGI | next language for bzflag will be sgienglish |
| 01:38.37 | SGI | but i dont think that word is correct |
| 01:39.06 | brlcad | no takers, eh? |
| 01:39.18 | JBDiGriz | What are you asking for? |
| 01:39.31 | brlcad | he needs a vouleneer man! |
| 01:39.42 | PatLabor221 | or woman |
| 01:39.54 | PatLabor221 | just somone to go onto blrcad and grab thefe |
| 01:39.55 | brlcad | hehe |
| 01:40.05 | JBDiGriz | How recent of a client? |
| 01:40.23 | Spiff | I asked once.. and nobody answered... |
| 01:40.24 | SGI | DDD |
| 01:40.25 | PatLabor221 | any that can connect |
| 01:40.31 | Spiff | Do I need the latest 1.9 client? |
| 01:40.53 | SGI | no you need a new brain :o) |
| 01:40.54 | PatLabor221 | a 1.9.5 |
| 01:40.55 | PatLabor221 | yes |
| 01:41.01 | brlcad | There's one. just need pat now |
| 01:41.14 | Spiff | Then I shall download/install it. :) |
| 01:41.33 | brlcad | Hrm.. JB DiGriz.. shot origination too far from tank.. |
| 01:41.44 | SGI | are you going to install 1.9 Spiff |
| 01:42.12 | PatLabor221 | ok thanks |
| 01:42.18 | PatLabor221 | it has nothing to do with the scale I think |
| 01:42.38 | PatLabor221 | it seems to be set fine |
| 01:42.40 | SGI | I have this on my config file +f GM{2} +f L{2} +f ST{2} |
| 01:42.43 | PatLabor221 | and the list is rebuilt fine |
| 01:43.19 | SGI | and why I have more than 2 flag...today it was 4 Lasers and 3 ST |
| 01:44.08 | Spiff | I guess I don't need to now, SGI. :) |
| 01:44.23 | MrApathyCream | i'm going |
| 01:44.23 | SGI | lol |
| 01:45.08 | SGI | cool |
| 01:47.29 | PatLabor221 | awww, just as I was trying to test |
| 01:48.26 | PatLabor221 | has nothing to do with the scale now, I replaced it with a forced 1.0 for all 3 |
| 01:48.26 | JBDiGriz | That was odd, I stole his thief flag and they both disappeared. |
| 01:48.37 | PatLabor221 | and it still has the problem |
| 01:48.48 | PatLabor221 | something dosn't like the new enum I'm thinking |
| 01:48.53 | Spiff | Takes a thief to catch a thief. ;-) |
| 01:48.55 | brlcad | i noticed that too, jb -- they go invisible if they are carrying a flag |
| 01:49.03 | PatLabor221 | that is the bug |
| 01:49.13 | MrApathyCream | if th is dropped it seems ok now, no? |
| 01:49.18 | PatLabor221 | yes |
| 01:49.19 | MrApathyCream | just when you're carrying it |
| 01:49.23 | PatLabor221 | that was what me and you fixed |
| 01:49.31 | PatLabor221 | the inivis is not due to the size tho |
| 01:49.44 | PatLabor221 | I just set my client to hardcode the size for theif to 1 |
| 01:49.48 | PatLabor221 | in the callback |
| 01:49.54 | PatLabor221 | still had the issue |
| 01:50.08 | SGI | this is an old version or not ...bzflagSRC-1.9.2-CVS-20030917 |
| 01:50.09 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): try having the password command run the password hook function instead of the set command hook function |
| 01:50.11 | PatLabor221 | something else is happening |
| 01:50.30 | triclops | are there any translations? tank may not be invisible just somewhere else... |
| 01:50.43 | MrApathyCream | well translates to world coords probably |
| 01:50.53 | PatLabor221 | the same translations that happen on every other state |
| 01:51.21 | PatLabor221 | I'm guessing something just dosn't like the new enum |
| 01:51.22 | MrApathyCream | the lites are still there |
| 01:51.27 | PatLabor221 | yeah |
| 01:51.30 | brlcad | Tim lives.. |
| 01:51.34 | PatLabor221 | and they are part of the same trans |
| 01:51.40 | triclops | oh well |
| 01:51.56 | triclops | maybe its not being drawn at all |
| 01:52.04 | PatLabor221 | that's what it seems like to me |
| 01:52.33 | brlcad | pat: when I took it to wireframe mode, the wireframe was there, even when the tank was "invisible" |
| 01:52.51 | PatLabor221 | with the last set of code? |
| 01:52.53 | SGI | Patlabor221 Im still to type two times the username and pswd on bzzb |
| 01:53.07 | PatLabor221 | then get rid of your cookies |
| 01:53.08 | brlcad | negative wrt the last set of code.. yesterday |
| 01:53.22 | PatLabor221 | and make sure your set to accept new ones |
| 01:53.26 | SGI | again |
| 01:53.31 | PatLabor221 | try now brlcad, that could hav been the list issues |
| 01:53.48 | brlcad | and on that note, I shall head home |
| 01:55.54 | SGI | ok |
| 01:56.06 | PatLabor221 | do you have cookies now? |
| 01:56.25 | SGI | two.....:o) |
| 01:56.47 | PatLabor221 | then you did not remove them last time |
| 01:57.08 | SGI | its working...... |
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| 02:06.06 | PatLabor221 | well mac it may be something in the sate |
| 02:06.21 | PatLabor221 | if it is, I ain't goinin into that mess |
| 02:16.56 | Spiff | Better be the kind that the chemical waste removal people wear. ;-) |
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| 02:25.51 | icekmkz | Algum brasileiro perdido aí? |
| 02:26.22 | scanline | icekmkz: nyetski |
| 02:27.02 | PatLabor221 | that's called an NBC suit spiff |
| 02:27.05 | PatLabor221 | or hazmat |
| 02:28.05 | icekmkz | scanline: q pena! ;) |
| 02:28.54 | *** part/#bzflag icekmkz (~icekmkz@200-103-111-038.gnace7007.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 02:29.14 | Spiff | Yepperz. Just forget the actual name. :-) |
| 02:30.31 | PatLabor221 | google man, google :) |
| 02:30.31 | MrApathyCream | it looks like pat has beaten up the latest cheat expert |
| 02:30.52 | PatLabor221 | no, I'm just helping him realise his idea |
| 02:31.10 | PatLabor221 | and the fact that it dosn't look like the thought it out all the way |
| 02:31.26 | PatLabor221 | adversity breeds character :) |
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| 02:32.41 | PatLabor221 | I'd love to be proven wrong about it, but with that present description I don't see how 1) it can work, 2) it would be more then a joke to a cheater |
| 02:32.57 | bryjen | ibot: botsnack |
| 02:32.57 | | bryjen: aw, gee |
| 02:33.23 | bryjen | learner: devsnack |
| 02:33.51 | Spiff | LoL |
| 02:34.50 | PatLabor221 | learner's devsnakcs are usualy flamable |
| 02:35.42 | bryjen | !? |
| 02:35.51 | MrApathyCream | PatLabor221, any more ideas? |
| 02:35.57 | MrApathyCream | about th? |
| 02:36.02 | PatLabor221 | did you see my last messages on it? |
| 02:36.05 | PatLabor221 | it's not scale |
| 02:36.11 | PatLabor221 | it's something else |
| 02:36.37 | MrApathyCream | so the nodes are not being added? |
| 02:36.42 | PatLabor221 | dono |
| 02:36.44 | PatLabor221 | no way to see |
| 02:36.52 | PatLabor221 | but I hardcode the scale to 1 |
| 02:36.57 | PatLabor221 | and it still noshowes |
| 02:37.16 | MrApathyCream | oddly i could see the tank from far away. far away uses lores tank |
| 02:37.30 | MrApathyCream | which is consistent with shadow showing |
| 02:37.32 | MrApathyCream | (lo res) |
| 02:38.00 | PatLabor221 | then one of the tank nodes probably dosn't like the new enum |
| 02:38.05 | PatLabor221 | check the LOD code |
| 02:38.08 | MrApathyCream | what new enum |
| 02:38.10 | PatLabor221 | see if it looks at the style |
| 02:38.15 | PatLabor221 | the theif one |
| 02:38.23 | PatLabor221 | since we know it's not scale |
| 02:41.10 | PatLabor221 | when did it stop working? |
| 02:43.23 | MrApathyCream | i don't know |
| 02:43.31 | MrApathyCream | someone reported it saturday? |
| 02:43.34 | PatLabor221 | sounds like it's time to go back and see |
| 02:43.39 | PatLabor221 | did theif ever work? |
| 02:43.54 | MrApathyCream | Certainly the invisible thing is new |
| 02:44.02 | MrApathyCream | i believe it did work at one point |
| 02:44.14 | PatLabor221 | then it's time to see when it busted |
| 02:44.16 | PatLabor221 | and what changed |
| 02:44.24 | MrApathyCream | how we gonna do that? |
| 02:44.33 | PatLabor221 | tags baby |
| 02:44.39 | PatLabor221 | it's all about the tags |
| 02:44.54 | PatLabor221 | search the history to when theif was added |
| 02:45.01 | PatLabor221 | get at that date |
| 02:45.03 | JBDiGriz | pat must be happy that he's labelled all the builds. ;) |
| 02:45.05 | PatLabor221 | see what it does |
| 02:45.17 | PatLabor221 | he's gonn have to go by date |
| 02:45.25 | PatLabor221 | but you could try the 1.9.2 change |
| 02:45.27 | PatLabor221 | just to see |
| 02:45.33 | PatLabor221 | tho that's not taged |
| 02:45.50 | JBDiGriz | and 1.9.3 got messed up a bit |
| 02:46.03 | MrApathyCream | thief was early on |
| 02:46.34 | PatLabor221 | ok |
| 02:46.40 | PatLabor221 | check 1.9.2 |
| 02:46.45 | PatLabor221 | see if it's good in there |
| 02:46.52 | PatLabor221 | then go back or forward |
| 02:46.57 | PatLabor221 | depending on if it works or not |
| 02:47.20 | MrApathyCream | thief 7/17 |
| 02:49.07 | MrApathyCream | i see it |
| 02:49.12 | MrApathyCream | impossible task |
| 02:49.21 | MrApathyCream | billions of changes |
| 02:49.27 | PatLabor221 | nothing is imposible |
| 02:49.32 | MrApathyCream | so there is a separate list for each style? |
| 02:49.38 | PatLabor221 | no |
| 02:49.41 | PatLabor221 | well yeah |
| 02:49.45 | PatLabor221 | I think |
| 02:50.08 | MrApathyCream | TankSceneNode::LowTankRenderNode::getParts |
| 02:50.09 | PatLabor221 | what the hell are they rebuilt for then? |
| 02:50.24 | MrApathyCream | i don't think i need to freeParts them |
| 02:50.31 | PatLabor221 | I don't think so |
| 02:50.46 | PatLabor221 | who has the list IDs |
| 02:50.55 | PatLabor221 | the sub objects ( med, low, high) |
| 02:50.58 | PatLabor221 | or the base? |
| 02:51.10 | PatLabor221 | and have you tested tiny, fat, or any of the others that size |
| 02:52.07 | PatLabor221 | I see your issue |
| 02:52.16 | PatLabor221 | look at the size of part |
| 02:52.21 | PatLabor221 | static GLuintparts[4]; |
| 02:52.30 | PatLabor221 | bit small isn't it? |
| 02:53.13 | MrApathyCream | um |
| 02:53.30 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): rollback |
| 02:53.35 | MrApathyCream | GLuintTankSceneNode::LowTankRenderNode:: |
| 02:53.35 | MrApathyCream | getParts(Style style) |
| 02:53.35 | MrApathyCream | { |
| 02:53.35 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.35 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.36 | MrApathyCream | ... |
| 02:53.41 | MrApathyCream | looks like lo,med,hi |
| 02:53.52 | PatLabor221 | oh |
| 02:53.59 | PatLabor221 | no it's style |
| 02:54.03 | PatLabor221 | Normal = 0, |
| 02:54.04 | PatLabor221 | Obese, |
| 02:54.04 | PatLabor221 | Tiny, |
| 02:54.04 | PatLabor221 | Narrow, |
| 02:54.04 | PatLabor221 | Thief, |
| 02:54.08 | MrApathyCream | res definitly lo,med,hi |
| 02:54.08 | PatLabor221 | there are 5 of those |
| 02:54.20 | PatLabor221 | there is 1 part for each style |
| 02:54.24 | PatLabor221 | 5 styles |
| 02:54.24 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 02:54.26 | PatLabor221 | 4 parts |
| 02:54.34 | PatLabor221 | buffer overflow |
| 02:54.35 | PatLabor221 | bad |
| 02:54.37 | MrApathyCream | but each model has 5 styles |
| 02:54.40 | MrApathyCream | lo, med, hi |
| 02:54.42 | PatLabor221 | yes |
| 02:54.45 | PatLabor221 | but only 4 parts |
| 02:54.48 | MrApathyCream | 3 * 5 * 4 |
| 02:54.56 | MrApathyCream | oh!!!! |
| 02:54.57 | MrApathyCream | i see |
| 02:54.59 | PatLabor221 | the parts arry isn't large engouh |
| 02:55.05 | PatLabor221 | I'm fixing |
| 02:55.21 | PatLabor221 | I'm adding a lastStyle |
| 02:55.25 | PatLabor221 | so it dosn't happen again |
| 02:55.50 | MrApathyCream | WOOWOO |
| 02:55.54 | MrApathyCream | make a define NUM_STYLES |
| 02:55.56 | MrApathyCream | or something |
| 02:56.01 | MrApathyCream | oh, heh |
| 02:56.04 | MrApathyCream | too fast for me |
| 02:56.05 | PatLabor221 | why not just put it in the enum |
| 02:56.08 | MrApathyCream | lastStyle is fine |
| 02:56.10 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 02:56.13 | PatLabor221 | #defines are lame |
| 02:56.13 | MrApathyCream | Thief, |
| 02:56.15 | MrApathyCream | NUM_STYLES |
| 02:56.43 | MrApathyCream | enum Style { |
| 02:56.43 | MrApathyCream | Normal, |
| 02:56.43 | MrApathyCream | Obese, |
| 02:56.43 | MrApathyCream | Tiny, |
| 02:56.43 | MrApathyCream | Narrow, |
| 02:56.44 | MrApathyCream | Thief, |
| 02:56.46 | MrApathyCream | NUMSTYLES |
| 02:56.48 | MrApathyCream | }; |
| 02:56.50 | MrApathyCream | right? |
| 02:57.11 | MrApathyCream | awesome dude |
| 02:57.25 | MrApathyCream | see you were the gl guy ;) |
| 02:57.31 | PatLabor221 | huh? |
| 02:57.35 | PatLabor221 | that was a basic C thing |
| 02:57.41 | MrApathyCream | i know, just kiddin' |
| 02:57.55 | PatLabor221 | I am Jack's overrun class VTable |
| 02:58.06 | PatLabor221 | join blrcat |
| 02:58.14 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 02:59.14 | MrApathyCream | worse than thief problems we were stompin on memory |
| 02:59.30 | MrApathyCream | clean out the BUGS file too :) |
| 03:01.00 | PatLabor221 | so I say again, theif has never worked based on this bug right here. |
| 03:01.23 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 03:01.23 | CIA | I am Jack's overflowed static array. |
| 03:01.24 | CIA | Also make inits all good and happy |
| 03:01.35 | MrApathyCream | well, it might have, as long as we didn't stomp on that memory address |
| 03:01.47 | MrApathyCream | put if it did was just a fluke |
| 03:01.59 | triclops | umm has anyone noticed that the geometry for each style is identical? |
| 03:02.01 | MrApathyCream | awesome |
| 03:02.01 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): no more theif bug. Don't think it ever worked |
| 03:02.12 | MrApathyCream | triclops, yes, they are scaled in prepStyle |
| 03:02.43 | PatLabor221 | it dosnt' call the "REAL" glVertex3f() |
| 03:02.50 | PatLabor221 | it calls doVert |
| 03:02.54 | PatLabor221 | and that scales it |
| 03:03.00 | PatLabor221 | it's really lame |
| 03:03.11 | PatLabor221 | when a simple matrix would work |
| 03:03.13 | triclops | ahh, why not do the scaling before calling the display list? |
| 03:03.22 | PatLabor221 | yeah |
| 03:03.27 | PatLabor221 | wold be a lot easyer |
| 03:03.52 | triclops | saves memory too |
| 03:03.59 | PatLabor221 | yup |
| 03:04.01 | MrApathyCream | patches welcome |
| 03:04.16 | triclops | hehe |
| 03:04.24 | PatLabor221 | well it's only system ram for those software people |
| 03:04.30 | PatLabor221 | and I don't really care about them |
| 03:04.42 | PatLabor221 | BZ is not filling a modern hardware card at all |
| 03:05.04 | MrApathyCream | poor chestal, his squirrels will be sad |
| 03:05.17 | PatLabor221 | a better viz calc would help everyone as an optimisation |
| 03:07.44 | MrApathyCream | welp, i guess that means it's t-1 days till release |
| 03:08.09 | captain_proton | what is t? |
| 03:08.12 | captain_proton | err |
| 03:08.12 | captain_proton | right |
| 03:08.55 | MrApathyCream | look who unearths himself when the bug is fixed!! |
| 03:10.08 | MrApathyCream | :) |
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| 03:14.15 | MrApathyCream | well good job jeff, bbiab |
| 03:14.36 | learner | fixed? |
| 03:14.41 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 03:14.43 | PatLabor221 | yeah |
| 03:14.45 | learner | wee |
| 03:14.46 | MrApathyCream | array was too small |
| 03:14.46 | PatLabor221 | just basic debuging |
| 03:14.51 | learner | what was it? |
| 03:15.55 | PatLabor221 | theif has probably never worked right |
| 03:16.18 | PatLabor221 | there is an array that keeps the starting list number for the tank model of each state |
| 03:16.23 | PatLabor221 | it was only 4 large |
| 03:16.27 | PatLabor221 | there are 5 states |
| 03:16.30 | PatLabor221 | theif is the last |
| 03:17.03 | PatLabor221 | I added a lastState to the enum |
| 03:17.10 | PatLabor221 | or lastStyle sorry |
| 03:17.26 | PatLabor221 | and also made sure the glLists never overlaped |
| 03:17.43 | PatLabor221 | and made sure they were properly deleted |
| 03:18.42 | PatLabor221 | tho the destructior should probably call FreeParts |
| 03:19.33 | learner | ah.. array underrun.. nice ;) |
| 03:19.43 | JBDiGriz | I'll head to brlcad to test the change. |
| 03:19.43 | PatLabor221 | overrun |
| 03:20.15 | learner | ah, it was actually copying 5 states? |
| 03:20.24 | learner | or checking, whatever |
| 03:20.25 | scanline | hmm |
| 03:20.26 | PatLabor221 | yeah |
| 03:20.32 | scanline | isn't that the sort of thing valgrind would find? :) |
| 03:20.33 | PatLabor221 | but only 4 in the thing |
| 03:20.35 | learner | coolio |
| 03:20.40 | PatLabor221 | yeah, or boundschecker |
| 03:20.55 | PatLabor221 | or just a simple breakpoint and some backloging |
| 03:21.17 | PatLabor221 | I knew something was up when I forced the scale to be 1 |
| 03:21.29 | JBDiGriz | anyone else coming? |
| 03:21.36 | PatLabor221 | I'll be tehre in a sec |
| 03:21.51 | PatLabor221 | I think that this may also be why on windows sometimes you lose tank parts |
| 03:22.42 | PatLabor221 | tho now it does show the horible list managment in the other parts of the code |
| 03:22.58 | PatLabor221 | some of the sky panels are geting the light from the shots |
| 03:25.04 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/src/geometry (TankSceneNode.cxx): free lists when you are done. |
| 03:25.18 | PatLabor221 | and dude, turn on jumping |
| 03:25.23 | PatLabor221 | that map was made for jumps |
| 03:25.23 | learner | hrm.. server crashed |
| 03:25.36 | JBDiGriz | It's dropping some flags for me after I steal them. |
| 03:25.37 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.37 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.38 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.56 | bryjen | possession of stolen property ;) |
| 03:27.13 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.52 | learner | server continues to crash.. same place |
| 03:34.26 | *** part/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01036574bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 03:35.49 | learner | can I get some people to connect to brlcad.org to catch the fault in gdb? |
| 03:51.47 | bryjen | kerrr-ashhhh |
| 03:51.52 | learner | yep |
| 03:52.10 | learner | #0 0x00028394 in shotFired(int, void*, int) (playerIndex=0, buf=0xe35cc, len=39) at bzfs.cxx:3677 |
| 03:52.10 | learner | #1 0x0002a5b8 in handleCommand(int, unsigned short, unsigned short, void*) (t=0, code=29538, len=39, rawbuf=0xe35c8) at bzfs.cxx:4125 |
| 03:52.10 | learner | #2 0x00030070 in main (argc=5, argv=0xbffffce4) at bzfs.cxx:5129 |
| 03:54.12 | learner | ah.. interesting.. shooter.flag is -1 and is used as a DEBUG array index |
| 03:55.35 | PatLabor221 | no es buenno |
| 03:55.58 | learner | indeed |
| 03:56.11 | learner | flag[shooter.flag].flag.desc->flagAbbv |
| 03:56.32 | learner | bzfs.cxx:3676 |
| 03:57.05 | PatLabor221 | perhaps an IF should go there? |
| 03:57.38 | learner | probably.. though why was it -1 in the first place |
| 03:57.44 | PatLabor221 | true |
| 03:57.57 | bryjen | shooter had no flag? |
| 03:58.14 | PatLabor221 | what is flag 0? |
| 03:59.46 | learner | flag 0 is A quickturn |
| 04:00.24 | learner | firingInfo.flag was JP, which is why it entered the if case |
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| 04:05.02 | PatLabor221 | what is no flag? |
| 04:06.22 | learner | bryjen, you were the shooter, btw |
| 04:06.34 | PatLabor221 | he is gone |
| 04:06.41 | learner | ah, true |
| 04:06.45 | learner | sheesh |
| 04:07.01 | PatLabor221 | so when did BZ start atracting the l33tg33ks? |
| 04:07.01 | PatLabor221 | http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=1082 |
| 04:07.28 | captain_proton | oogabooga |
| 04:07.52 | learner | *shrug* |
| 04:08.26 | scanline | gross |
| 04:08.33 | scanline | bzbb should have a lameness filter for nicks |
| 04:08.36 | PatLabor221 | so can I remove maps just on sheer lameness? |
| 04:08.53 | learner | *5hr|_|9* |
| 04:08.55 | PatLabor221 | wana php up nickometer for me? |
| 04:10.24 | MrApathyCream | what no facial features? |
| 04:10.39 | learner | ~nickometer 8o88yD1g1t4L |
| 04:10.40 | | '8o88yD1g1t4L' is 99.969% lame, learner |
| 04:10.43 | MrApathyCream | BMP2BZW should use rotation blocks where possible |
| 04:10.44 | learner | hehe |
| 04:10.45 | PatLabor221 | they are there, just very very flat |
| 04:11.11 | PatLabor221 | or just be killed outright :) |
| 04:11.34 | PatLabor221 | it's abuses outweigh it's uses :) |
| 04:12.14 | MrApathyCream | oh, ok, much better up higher |
| 04:12.49 | MrApathyCream | would be good if there was a triangle primitive, then this kind of thing wouldn't be abusive |
| 04:12.52 | PatLabor221 | better is not a word I would use when talking about that map |
| 04:12.59 | MrApathyCream | or at least much less |
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| 04:17.05 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): prevent segfault from a negative index, ignoring the whole question of how it can become negative in the first place |
| 04:17.59 | MrApathyCream | -1 is no flag, no? |
| 04:18.27 | JBDiGriz | Harrumph, connection is hanging up on me. |
| 04:18.34 | learner | don't make me l33t shrug again |
| 04:18.52 | MrApathyCream | ok, then, -1 is no flag, no ifs ands or butts |
| 04:19.49 | learner | then the bug provoker sounds like it's theif stealing a flag and the server loosing track of a flag |
| 04:20.45 | MrApathyCream | thief does |
| 04:20.46 | MrApathyCream | flag[flagIndex].flag.owner = to; |
| 04:20.46 | MrApathyCream | flag[flagIndex].player = to; |
| 04:20.46 | MrApathyCream | player[to].flag = flagIndex; |
| 04:20.46 | MrApathyCream | player[from].flag = -1; |
| 04:21.03 | learner | aha |
| 04:21.52 | MrApathyCream | flag[from].flag.owner should be set perhaps |
| 04:22.00 | MrApathyCream | (to -1 |
| 04:24.57 | learner | AH.. -1 bad.. Flags::Null good |
| 04:25.23 | learner | I think it's the last enum |
| 04:25.46 | MrApathyCream | flags is an array of flags |
| 04:25.49 | MrApathyCream | so -1 means no flag |
| 04:26.07 | MrApathyCream | zapFlag takes care of setting flag[from].flag.owner |
| 04:26.10 | MrApathyCream | so not a prob |
| 04:30.17 | MrApathyCream | hmmm |
| 04:30.34 | learner | shot fired checks to make sure that the firinginfo flag is not Flags::Null and is the same as the shooter's flag |
| 04:30.36 | MrApathyCream | i wonder why theres a FlagInfo.flag.owner and a FlagInfo.player |
| 04:31.00 | learner | where's that player[from].flag = -1 code at? |
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| 04:32.11 | learner | never mind.. I found two places |
| 04:32.13 | MrApathyCream | zapFlag prolly |
| 04:37.11 | MrApathyCream | probably back when an id wasn't an id |
| 04:39.06 | MrApathyCream | arg. Flag::pack needs it |
| 04:39.07 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 04:39.13 | MrApathyCream | Plan a |
| 04:40.59 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): check for any invalid index, not just -1 |
| 04:44.30 | learner | Umm.. bzfs.cxx:5012 seems wrong to me.. flag[i-1]? |
| 04:48.55 | MrApathyCream | checking |
| 04:49.48 | MrApathyCream | makes you wonder, don't it? |
| 04:50.04 | learner | perhaps team[0].team.activeSize is always 0?? |
| 04:51.15 | MrApathyCream | yes it is roque |
| 04:51.39 | MrApathyCream | ah and flag[0] is red |
| 04:51.40 | learner | Eep.. NoTeam is -1 |
| 04:52.14 | MrApathyCream | Team[0] = is roque, Team[1] is Red, but flag[0] is red |
| 04:53.06 | MrApathyCream | nice and robust, eh? |
| 04:53.23 | learner | So.. that sounds like if you have rouge ctf, the flag index will be -1 for rogue? |
| 04:53.38 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 04:53.57 | learner | which would be rather bad |
| 04:54.22 | MrApathyCream | prolly team[i].team.activeSize is always 0 |
| 04:54.24 | MrApathyCream | for roque |
| 04:54.49 | MrApathyCream | or not, who knows ;) |
| 04:54.50 | learner | that's a nasty assumption |
| 04:54.54 | learner | if it is true |
| 04:54.54 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 04:54.57 | MrApathyCream | yes, yes, it is |
| 04:56.48 | MrApathyCream | prolly should be for (i = RedTeam; ...... |
| 04:56.55 | MrApathyCream | that couldn't be problematic |
| 04:59.20 | MrApathyCream | frankly i don't get the sense of allowing roques in ctf games |
| 04:59.24 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): make note of a nasty index assumption that needs to be made explicit |
| 05:04.47 | JBDiGriz | There's no reason to allow rogue in ctf, but there's no good reason not to allow it, so leave it up to the admin of the server. |
| 05:05.19 | JBDiGriz | There are more jerks playing this game than should be tolerated. |
| 05:06.32 | MrApathyCream | are the two comments related? |
| 05:06.53 | JBDiGriz | no, but I was just playing at quol, and i'm still a bit irked. |
| 05:07.02 | MrApathyCream | ah, ok |
| 05:07.35 | JBDiGriz | better to cool off here, than somewhere else ;) |
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| 05:13.13 | SGI | hi |
| 05:13.46 | MrApathyCream | well off to bet |
| 05:13.51 | MrApathyCream | well, bed first |
| 05:13.57 | learner | gnight MAC |
| 05:14.01 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
| 05:14.51 | SGI | sgienglish |
| 05:15.13 | JBDiGriz | It could be those nightmares, and he places bets to show ;) |
| 05:16.32 | SGI | which different between bzfsg2 and g3 |
| 05:17.28 | JBDiGriz | There were a few client changes, but I'm not sure about server changes. Try grabbing the cvs sources. anonymous should work for that. |
| 05:17.58 | learner | i made a link in your home directory called ist, so you can simply "cd ist" |
| 05:19.47 | SGI | time to bet me tooo Im looking for that g3 tomorrow |
| 05:19.56 | SGI | good nite |
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| 05:32.37 | learner | moin Tupone |
| 05:32.46 | Tupone | moin |
| 05:34.00 | Tupone | just looking if I made disaster |
| 05:34.42 | learner | You must be patient and persistent young grasshopper. |
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| 07:44.08 | learner | heh, just had a run in with Señor Spoogey |
| 07:44.20 | learner | had to ban him from Quol's |
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| 08:12.30 | bomber | moin |
| 08:17.43 | learner | moin bomber |
| 08:17.48 | learner | g'night |
| 08:24.33 | bomber | :o) |
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| 12:30.06 | dheckaman | learner: arg |
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| 13:21.15 | learner | hmm? |
| 13:22.06 | learner | quol |
| 13:22.10 | learner | ~quol |
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| 14:28.04 | dheckaman | learner: grasshopper :P |
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| 14:57.03 | KR | hi all |
| 15:15.30 | bryjen | ~logs |
| 15:15.31 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
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| 15:27.56 | Nidhoggr | well, it looks like it might rain. |
| 15:28.41 | Nidhoggr | I dropped my resolution my my mac down to 800x600 and bz runs okay, other than the sound stuff is a little wierd and echo-y |
| 15:28.57 | Nidhoggr | but... I still don't get brightness control in the gui |
| 15:39.01 | TimRiker | ~logs |
| 15:39.03 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or ibot logs, jbot does not |
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| 16:26.58 | learner | Nidhoggr: brightness control isn't implemented either |
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| 16:50.48 | [dmp] | ~dict affine |
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| 17:07.22 | Bagheera | ~bzflist |
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| 17:24.40 | [dmp] | ~d |
| 17:26.11 | Mayhem | ~whois [dmp] |
| 17:27.00 | TimRiker | ~[dmp] |
| 17:27.13 | TimRiker | ~timriker |
| 17:27.15 | | i heard timriker is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org and Senior Linux Technologist at Texas Instruments, mailto:Tim@TI.com and my owner and former CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and maintainer of BZFlag |
| 17:28.04 | [dmp] | ibot, [dmp] is the flying instructor |
| 17:28.05 | | [dmp]: okay |
| 17:28.07 | [dmp] | :) |
| 17:28.12 | bryjen | TimRiker is many things |
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| 17:33.11 | TimRiker | ~timriker |
| 17:33.12 | | i guess timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org Senior Linux Technologist at Texas Instruments mailto:Tim@TI.com former CTO of Lineo (Embedix, Metrowerks, etc.), maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ |
| 17:33.29 | TimRiker | bryjen: better? ;-) |
| 17:34.18 | Spiff | Texas Instruments, eh? Like the people that make all of the cool calculators? :) |
| 17:35.00 | bryjen | eep. more things. He's everywhere! |
| 17:35.06 | bryjen | ;) |
| 17:35.12 | captain_proton | screw the calculators |
| 17:35.19 | captain_proton | TI, the people that make that cool USB->serial chip |
| 17:35.30 | Spiff | Hey! Those calculators rock. :-D |
| 17:35.32 | [dmp] | "a Creator on project The Universe. " .. Urgh. I better change god :-) |
| 17:35.33 | TimRiker | Spiff: the same. ;-) |
| 17:36.00 | TimRiker | [dmp]: heh. I know. I crack myself up |
| 17:39.04 | bryjen | Heh. The Universe is GPL'ed. |
| 17:39.56 | captain_proton | have you seen navi recently? =) |
| 17:40.23 | bryjen | oh, yeah. :) but last i heard it was afire |
| 17:40.35 | captain_proton | no fires anymore |
| 17:40.48 | bryjen | that's A Good Thing |
| 17:41.05 | Patlabor221 | you tape up all the holes so the magic smoke stays in? |
| 17:41.35 | bryjen | too late. once its out you're hosed. have to replace parts ;) |
| 17:41.53 | captain_proton | we did replace parts |
| 17:42.00 | bryjen | zactly |
| 17:42.01 | captain_proton | namely, the motherboard & processor |
| 17:42.12 | bryjen | brain surgery |
| 17:42.31 | bryjen | abby normal ? |
| 17:43.05 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 17:43.12 | captain_proton | TimRiker: how'd you score that tim@ti.com email address? |
| 17:43.29 | TimRiker | captain_proton: I asked for it. ;-) |
| 17:43.50 | bryjen | surely there's more than one Tim @ ti.com |
| 17:44.10 | TimRiker | bryjen: yeah, but not with that email. ;-) |
| 17:50.17 | bryjen | TimRiker: interested in a bash script to generate a calendar index page for the ibot logs? |
| 17:55.08 | bryjen | http://bryjen.bzflag.org:8080/~bzserve/htmlcalidx.sh |
| 17:57.38 | Mayhem | TimRiker: any chance of linux support for the TI ACX100 wireless chip? :) |
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| 18:12.42 | learner | Patlabor221: ping |
| 18:14.00 | Mayhem | learner: punk |
| 18:14.21 | Spiff | ~botsnack |
| 18:14.21 | | aw, gee, Spiff |
| 18:14.26 | Spiff | ~botsnack |
| 18:14.26 | | Spiff: :) |
| 18:14.29 | learner | Mayhem: plop |
| 18:14.40 | Spiff | Can you make the bot sick by over-feeding it? |
| 18:14.44 | Mayhem | ~botsnack |
| 18:14.44 | | aw, gee, Mayhem |
| 18:14.50 | Patlabor221 | pong |
| 18:15.07 | learner | Guess who added SVG support.. |
| 18:15.13 | Patlabor221 | SVG? |
| 18:15.33 | Spiff | I sorta hate e-mail anymore. If someone wants to talk.. IM me or call me.. e-mails are booooring. :) |
| 18:15.34 | Spiff | LoL |
| 18:15.42 | learner | scaleable vector graphics .. illustrator .. documentation .. |
| 18:15.47 | learner | ~fishslap Patlabor221 |
| 18:15.49 | | ACTION slaps Patlabor221 up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 18:15.49 | Patlabor221 | ahhhhhh |
| 18:15.53 | Patlabor221 | now I recall |
| 18:16.00 | Patlabor221 | spiff, I get over 200 mails a day |
| 18:16.09 | Spiff | Ack! |
| 18:16.13 | Spiff | From who or what?! |
| 18:16.18 | Patlabor221 | all over the place |
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| 18:16.23 | learner | GIMP has just added proper support for it in their latest snapshot |
| 18:16.25 | Spiff | That's insane. LoL |
| 18:16.33 | learner | slashdot has a posting about it :) |
| 18:16.38 | Patlabor221 | my job works mostly on mail, you do know that some of us do more then sit at home :)_ |
| 18:16.39 | Mayhem | Patlabor221: is that including spam? |
| 18:16.46 | Patlabor221 | yeah that is including spam |
| 18:17.04 | Patlabor221 | spam filter gets rid of 90% of it thankfully |
| 18:17.15 | Patlabor221 | so that cuts me down to 50-60 real mails a day |
| 18:17.31 | Spiff | Hey.. I do more than sit at home. |
| 18:17.38 | Mayhem | yep, I near 100% hitrate with my spamfilter, tis good |
| 18:17.40 | Patlabor221 | ok, and play basketball |
| 18:17.41 | learner | that was 992 pieces of spam, 1 reply from a guy in IS, 3 from his boss, and 5 from people in BZ :) |
| 18:17.50 | Spiff | I'm going for a loooong drive in a bit. |
| 18:18.06 | Patlabor221 | does any of your day make you money spiff? |
| 18:18.20 | Patlabor221 | learner, I get bug reports too :) |
| 18:18.22 | Spiff | Hmmm. Come to think of it.. no. :) LoL |
| 18:18.31 | learner | Patlabor221: I'd call those spam :) |
| 18:22.07 | TimRiker | brygen: http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 18:29.53 | TimRiker | bryjen: nice. can you make it include all years that it finds? |
| 18:30.48 | Mayhem | TimRiker: twas me, not bryjen, asking bout the wireless chip. I know they've reverse engineered a driver, just wondering if *TI* were going to do anything? |
| 18:35.43 | TimRiker | Mayhem: ah.. sorry. yep. TI is not planning anything at present, but there is discussion. |
| 18:39.51 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (commands.cxx): complete the implementation of the /poll veto|vote subcommands now that there are hook functions |
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| 19:13.14 | sure` | hmm |
| 19:13.24 | sure` | why bzflag always starts windowed |
| 19:13.29 | sure` | in top left corner |
| 19:14.43 | Nidhoggr | your settings in the client are different than your display settings for your OS? |
| 19:16.21 | TimRiker | you used -window and it cached it? |
| 19:16.32 | sure` | ehm |
| 19:16.39 | sure` | im on Win |
| 19:16.47 | sure` | settings are same as on desktop |
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| 19:18.35 | captajn_proton | hi |
| 19:18.39 | bryjen | TimRiker: it only does a one year in one run to one page. the current year by default or you can set YEAR |
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| 19:20.53 | bryjen | doing completed years, you'd also need to set TOMONTH=12 and TODOM=31 |
| 19:21.02 | TimRiker | bryjen: yep. I'd actually like it to be backwards and keep going so long as there are files there, |
| 19:21.29 | TimRiker | Also I'm using it to make HEADER.html files so the directory index is still there. |
| 19:21.47 | TimRiker | that could be avoided if it make entries for directories too. ;-) |
| 19:21.54 | bryjen | ah. more automation |
| 19:21.58 | TimRiker | easy enough to hack in myself. |
| 19:22.14 | TimRiker | but the year range needs some thought. |
| 19:22.36 | captajn_proton | how do i untar bz2 file? |
| 19:23.00 | Tupone | captain_proton: tar xjvf ... |
| 19:23.01 | TimRiker | imho it should start with the current month view and then go back to start of the year and then backwards through previous years till it runs out of logs. |
| 19:23.12 | captajn_proton | Tupone: thx |
| 19:23.18 | TimRiker | captajn_proton: nice njck |
| 19:23.25 | captajn_proton | :) |
| 19:23.42 | TimRiker | or perhaps that's njce njck ? |
| 19:23.50 | bryjen | 3 moo |
| 19:23.55 | captajn_proton | jts actually both |
| 19:23.55 | bryjen | eh |
| 19:24.00 | bryjen | 6 moo |
| 19:24.41 | captajn_proton | how do i install kde on gentoo linux , i use vm-ware? |
| 19:24.52 | captajn_proton | host is winXP |
| 19:25.20 | captajn_proton | i want to run bzflag |
| 19:25.28 | captajn_proton | can i do that without kde |
| 19:25.33 | captajn_proton | ? |
| 19:25.41 | bryjen | you can do that on winxp directly |
| 19:25.48 | Nidhoggr | heh |
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| 19:25.58 | captajn_proton | ah yeah i know but... |
| 19:26.05 | captajn_proton | i want it on linux too |
| 19:26.34 | bryjen | i doubt the 3d will be happy like that |
| 19:26.49 | Tupone | captajn_proton: XFree86 and OpenGL are enough |
| 19:26.58 | captajn_proton | ah, k |
| 19:27.08 | captajn_proton | i emerge XFree86 then |
| 19:27.15 | TimRiker | captajn_proton: you need X and GL, but any window manager will work. twm is fine. |
| 19:27.33 | captajn_proton | twm? |
| 19:27.52 | Tupone | captajn_proton: 1 of the simplest Window Manager |
| 19:28.00 | bryjen | basic window manager that comes wit XFree86 |
| 19:28.06 | captajn_proton | simple, sounds good .) |
| 19:28.07 | TimRiker | included with xfree86 (or at least it used to be) |
| 19:28.20 | captajn_proton | ah k |
| 19:28.35 | TimRiker | simple to build... not so simple to use. ;-) not tough though, just not feature rich. |
| 19:28.45 | bryjen | ~seen purple_cow |
| 19:28.48 | | purple_cow is currently on #picogui (1d 4h 42m 10s) #bzflag (1d 4h 42m 10s) |
| 19:33.41 | captajn_proton | k |
| 19:34.09 | TimRiker | captajn_proton: can you revert to a real nick? |
| 19:34.18 | learner | Hmm.. So bzflag handles signals merely to restore the proper video mode right now |
| 19:34.26 | captajn_proton | TimRiker:sure |
| 19:34.27 | TimRiker | as you are not captain_proton... |
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| 19:37.28 | bryjen | that passed surprisingly peacefully |
| 19:39.31 | Nidhoggr | grrr. cell is an annoying boob. |
| 19:41.50 | TimRiker | other than claiming to be captain_proton, he was quite cordial this time around. |
| 19:43.17 | bryjen | this is not #gentoo but a couple of off topic questions aren't too bad |
| 19:43.25 | Nidhoggr | nod. |
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| 19:44.56 | bryjen | and of course _everyone_ here is _always_ _only_ discussing bzflag ;) |
| 19:44.56 | Patlabor221 | wow how lame to you have too be to keep trying difrent names? |
| 19:45.19 | TimRiker | at least he claimed to be trying to test bzflag, so it's not even that off topic. |
| 19:45.49 | learner | ah. hehe, good eye Tim |
| 19:46.47 | learner | bryjen: bzwhat? topic? who wha? |
| 19:46.53 | bryjen | would vmware let you get to the 3d hardware? |
| 19:47.13 | bryjen | ~lart learner |
| 19:47.21 | learner | NOooooo... |
| 19:47.47 | bryjen | sheesh. ibot likes inflicting Windows on people. |
| 19:47.56 | TyroneFHornigh | learner: You were supposed to be at a meeting, where are you? |
| 19:48.18 | MacaroniCheese | I'm playing hookey today |
| 19:48.28 | bryjen | at a meeting, rubbing elbows? |
| 19:48.36 | TyroneFHornigh | Didn't you have it listed on your PDA? :) |
| 19:49.04 | MacaroniCheese | the meeting is probably ending just about now |
| 19:51.40 | Legolas | ~d |
| 19:51.57 | MacaroniCheese | Wee.. |
| 19:52.09 | Legolas | lol |
| 19:53.44 | TyroneFHornigh | World HQ was hit by a virus, so the entire satellite office in San Diego has had it's network access shut off. Luckily there's one wireless router that was left open. :) |
| 19:53.44 | TyroneFHornigh | Some companies are less than clueful about maintaining their network. |
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| 19:55.54 | Bagheera | ~bzflist |
| 20:03.38 | Legolas | ~d |
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| 20:18.57 | Bagheera | there i was, there i was, in the jungle..... |
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| 20:47.28 | Mayhem | David! |
| 20:47.33 | Mayhem | david_v even |
| 20:47.41 | david_v | Mayhem! :) |
| 20:47.47 | david_v | David is fine. or dave :) |
| 20:47.48 | Mayhem | Helloooooo |
| 20:48.09 | Mayhem | I did david_v so it would highlight (assuming you have a capable irc client :) |
| 20:48.13 | Legolas | ok |
| 20:48.17 | Legolas | he can play |
| 20:48.22 | Mayhem | come join the fun on ducati! |
| 20:48.37 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (ServerLink.cxx): |
| 20:48.37 | CIA | Replaced alarm with select avoiding stuck on connection. |
| 20:48.38 | CIA | Someone should try on Windows, removing #ifdef WIN32 |
| 20:48.46 | Mayhem | ~d |
| 20:48.48 | david_v | Mayhem: hehe :) |
| 20:48.57 | david_v | Mayhem: but i highlight for david too :P |
| 20:49.10 | Mayhem | tis good :) |
| 20:49.13 | david_v | Mayhem: well, i'm on 59999, mind to join? |
| 20:49.18 | david_v | chiko is asking for you actually |
| 20:49.19 | Mayhem | i'm going to 59999 too |
| 20:49.23 | david_v | k talk there :) |
| 20:49.24 | Mayhem | cya there |
| 20:49.25 | Tupone | Chestal: could you try mi fix |
| 20:51.07 | MacaroniCheese | brlcad.org;14242 going down for a bit |
| 20:52.06 | Tupone | MacaroniCheese: also you, could you try my fix. If I made something linux specific ... I want to know |
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| 21:29.46 | david_v | Chestal: Fortix - BzR : 7 -3 |
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| 21:30.18 | david_v | like a rollercoaster, this thing... heh |
| 21:31.15 | TyroneFHornigh | I'm feeling like a rollercoaster, up, down, up, down, I just hope it's not a hard crash at the end :) |
| 21:31.39 | david_v | heh :) |
| 21:32.20 | david_v | [dmp]: could you be a nice guy and put in our score? so i can sleep :) |
| 21:33.13 | TyroneFHornigh | You can't sleep without a score entered in the league? You really need to start doing more with your life. ;) |
| 21:33.28 | david_v | TyroneFHornigh: hehe. don't take it literally :D |
| 21:33.55 | TyroneFHornigh | I'm a literate kind of guy. ;) |
| 21:34.04 | david_v | oh, you too. join the club :) |
| 21:34.15 | [dmp] | david_v, hit me :) |
| 21:34.18 | david_v | i thought i was the only geek who could read :) |
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| 21:34.41 | david_v | (hi :) |
| 21:34.47 | Mayhem | david_v: we need to rematch in ET :) |
| 21:34.52 | david_v | ET! ah! :) |
| 21:34.53 | [dmp] | Thanks. No, I wont enter nothing :) |
| 21:34.57 | david_v | hehe ;) |
| 21:35.11 | david_v | enter, or i'll... uh... stop... uhm... hm :) |
| 21:35.16 | david_v | surely i'll do something ;) |
| 21:35.26 | TyroneFHornigh | He'll join the club, and read you to death. :) |
| 21:35.31 | david_v | hehe |
| 21:35.35 | Mayhem | david_v: thats where I've been, honing my skills so I can whip your sorry arse :) |
| 21:35.40 | david_v | Mayhem: sometime during this weekend should be fine :) |
| 21:35.46 | david_v | ET? i've never seen you there heh |
| 21:36.09 | Mayhem | been there most nights, various servers though |
| 21:36.12 | david_v | ah |
| 21:36.21 | TyroneFHornigh | Speaking of rollercoasters, there goes pat again. |
| 21:36.22 | [dmp] | So want result did up come up with, this time? |
| 21:36.23 | david_v | timezones... grr |
| 21:36.31 | david_v | [dmp]: BzR is crying :) |
| 21:36.40 | david_v | more specifically, 7-3 to us |
| 21:36.41 | Mayhem | huh? |
| 21:36.44 | [dmp] | david_v, Take a bath, PLEASE |
| 21:36.47 | [dmp] | :) |
| 21:36.48 | david_v | what :) |
| 21:36.55 | david_v | little bit late :) |
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| 21:37.02 | [dmp] | WHen people cries, you outta take the hint :) |
| 21:37.16 | TyroneFHornigh | and he's back again ;) |
| 21:37.20 | david_v | nm :) |
| 21:37.36 | david_v | Mayhem: i'm having a test tomorrow, and on Thursday, and on... well, in two weeks i have an exam :) |
| 21:37.43 | david_v | but sometime i should have time for ET... heh |
| 21:37.52 | Mayhem | cool, I look forward to it :) |
| 21:38.07 | david_v | me too :) |
| 21:38.18 | Mayhem | tis good to be back among bzbuddies :) |
| 21:38.34 | david_v | :) |
| 21:38.58 | david_v | btw i saw a guy called M4yh3m on bzflag the other day. was that you? |
| 21:39.05 | [dmp] | scorediff; 31 |
| 21:39.05 | TyroneFHornigh | Tis a better crowd than the bzriffraff that hangs out on the public sites. ;) |
| 21:39.12 | Mayhem | nope, not me. I only surfaced yesterday with my real name |
| 21:39.17 | david_v | hm k |
| 21:39.23 | david_v | i was wondering, because that guy didn't respond :) |
| 21:39.24 | Mayhem | scorediff? |
| 21:39.34 | TyroneFHornigh | More bzriffraff.... |
| 21:39.35 | david_v | [dmp]: thanks |
| 21:39.44 | [dmp] | Lazy me.. BzR lost 31 points, Fortix gained 31 points |
| 21:40.57 | david_v | well, i'd better go then :) |
| 21:41.05 | david_v | cya, world |
| 21:41.20 | Mayhem | bye dave |
| 21:41.20 | david_v | +- any others |
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| 21:49.03 | TyroneFHornigh | Hello, Maxwell. |
| 21:49.11 | Agent86 | hello. |
| 21:49.12 | Agent86 | :-) |
| 21:49.53 | Agent86 | it's good to see someone else has seen Get Smart! so many people i talk to have never heard of the show. |
| 21:50.10 | Nidhoggr | some of us old guys have more of a clue. |
| 21:50.11 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 21:50.13 | TyroneFHornigh | When you first appeared, I called you a Mel Brooks fan. |
| 21:50.42 | Agent86 | well, i'm not old. i'm 17. but i still think more people should watch old shows; they're mostly the only good ones. |
| 21:51.03 | TyroneFHornigh | Are you doing any developing on the bzflag sources? |
| 21:51.51 | Agent86 | no sir. i'm just here because a friend of mine plays BZFlag a bit, and i believe has made a few worlds, at least. |
| 21:51.51 | bryjen | hmm |
| 21:51.54 | Agent86 | Noodleman |
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| 21:52.20 | bryjen | ~nuke MacaroniCheese |
| 21:52.23 | | nukes MacaroniCheese with a single large nuke |
| 21:52.30 | TyroneFHornigh | Have you tried playing bzflag? |
| 21:52.56 | Agent86 | i've played a couple of times. it's a great game :-) |
| 21:54.12 | bryjen | I'm getting lotsa "ERROR: BAD SHOOTER FLAG INDEX (-1)" messages from bzfs. Wasn't learner looking at that last night? |
| 21:54.34 | Patlabor221 | he had a crash when playerflag was -1 |
| 21:54.37 | Nidhoggr | it's been a while since I've had mac and cheese, but I still love it. :) |
| 21:54.42 | TyroneFHornigh | There was some discussion about that. |
| 21:55.08 | Tupone | Macaroni and Cheese, wunderbar! |
| 21:55.37 | Nidhoggr | the best macaroni and cheese is at Mrs. White's soul food restaraunt in downtown phoenix. :) |
| 21:55.41 | TyroneFHornigh | America's contribution to international culinary excellence :# |
| 21:56.16 | Spiff | Maaaan! Now I've gotta make some macaroni and cheese! LoL |
| 21:56.32 | bryjen | sha. smother anything in cheese/butter/ketchup. probly not all at once tho. Ewww |
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| 21:56.45 | Spiff | Eww is right. :) |
| 21:56.53 | Spiff | Hmmm Patlabor221? |
| 21:56.58 | bryjen | eep |
| 21:57.05 | Nidhoggr | fetuccini alfredo is nothing more than fancy mac and cheese. |
| 21:57.05 | Agent86 | other than mac and cheese, is there _any_ truly American food? |
| 21:57.29 | TyroneFHornigh | Nachos and Caesar salad. |
| 21:57.39 | Spiff | Ahhhh.. depends on who cooks the fetuccini, Nidhoggr. :-) |
| 21:57.43 | bryjen | Me thinks Pat's IT monkey should start running. Now. ;) |
| 21:57.54 | Spiff | Ahhhh.. so that's his trouble. |
| 21:58.00 | Nidhoggr | spiff.. I was speaking technically. :) I make really good alfredo sauce. |
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| 21:58.18 | Spiff | Good stuph. :) My mom does too... yum! :D |
| 21:58.22 | Agent86 | TyroneFHornigh: darn. but most of our food is foreign in origin. |
| 21:58.40 | Nidhoggr | you can find good native american food here and there. |
| 21:58.41 | Spiff | Caesar salad is American? Hmm. |
| 21:58.51 | bryjen | most of our _people_ are foreign in origin |
| 21:59.06 | Agent86 | exactly. |
| 21:59.08 | TyroneFHornigh | Spiff: It was originally created in Tijuana. |
| 21:59.13 | Spiff | We invented the fast food resteraunt franchises... ;-) |
| 21:59.22 | larsl | What kind of cheese is used for the macaronis? |
| 21:59.41 | Nidhoggr | 2 of the most important ingredients in caesar dressing are seldom used anymore. raw egg and anchovies |
| 21:59.52 | Tupone | 4 kind of cheese: Parmigiano, Fontina, Gorgonzola and ... forget |
| 21:59.55 | TyroneFHornigh | It depends on who makes it, but most of the time it's that pasteurized processed cheese food called American cheese. |
| 22:00.05 | Spiff | Erm.... eggs I can see... but anchovies? |
| 22:00.09 | Spiff | :) |
| 22:00.15 | Nidhoggr | spiff, you'd never taste it. |
| 22:00.23 | Spiff | I sincerely hope not. LoL |
| 22:00.29 | TyroneFHornigh | Anchovies are an important part of a good Caesar salad. |
| 22:00.35 | Nidhoggr | yes |
| 22:00.35 | Nidhoggr | very |
| 22:00.52 | TyroneFHornigh | They've started using that egg substitute in many Caesars. |
| 22:00.56 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 22:01.05 | Spiff | Well.. that... or you're trying to trick me into eating it that way. :) Hehehehe. |
| 22:01.09 | bryjen | ~seen MacaroniCheese |
| 22:01.11 | | macaronicheese is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 1h 10m 4s |
| 22:01.12 | Nidhoggr | we used to use free range eggs at home and make the dressing by hand. |
| 22:01.34 | Spiff | So.. what about salmonella? |
| 22:01.47 | Nidhoggr | salmonella has some interesting statistics. |
| 22:01.57 | bryjen | ah, the free range egg, rolling blissfully accross the open spaces.... |
| 22:01.58 | Nidhoggr | one in like 10,000 eggs may have it. |
| 22:02.15 | Spiff | True... but do you want to risk it? :) |
| 22:02.21 | Nidhoggr | and it's most likely to come from a huge factory environement. |
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| 22:02.29 | Chikorita | heehe ;) |
| 22:02.30 | MacaroniCheese | you turkey! |
| 22:02.34 | Nidhoggr | and it mostly effects old people or sick people. |
| 22:02.40 | Nidhoggr | and I'm not that old YET |
| 22:02.48 | MacaroniCheese | running away right before I capture! :P |
| 22:02.54 | Chikorita | sowee L heh dat was 4 shootin mee earlier ;) |
| 22:03.02 | Spiff | Hmm.. I guess I'm alright then.. 'cause I've been eating home-made cookie dough for yearrrrrrrrrrs. :) |
| 22:03.03 | Spiff | LoL |
| 22:03.12 | Tupone | Come in italy and get 4 cheese's pasta |
| 22:03.13 | Nidhoggr | exactly |
| 22:03.18 | Nidhoggr | some things are worth the risk. |
| 22:03.38 | Spiff | Yep... especially those that can be put into ice cream in large chunks... mmmmmm! |
| 22:03.48 | Nidhoggr | hahahaha |
| 22:04.00 | Spiff | And then coated in chocolate syrup... ;) |
| 22:04.01 | Spiff | LoL |
| 22:04.07 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:04.22 | bryjen | hehe. we made lars hungry :) |
| 22:04.29 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 22:05.09 | Spiff | Hehe brjyen. :) |
| 22:05.34 | MacaroniCheese | ouch |
| 22:05.52 | bryjen | yes. I was surprised at bzfs yelling at me :) |
| 22:05.59 | MacaroniCheese | hey, someone changed something .. otherwise that bad index would be a seg fault |
| 22:06.05 | Spiff | All of that ice cream, cookie dough, and chocolate syrup talk has made me hungry too. :) |
| 22:06.26 | TyroneFHornigh | It's part of the code, all electronic entities must ignore/scream at/abuse bryjen whenever possible. ;) |
| 22:06.31 | Nidhoggr | It's october. I want bratwurst and beer. |
| 22:06.32 | MacaroniCheese | I just added the check that prevents the segfault :) |
| 22:07.05 | bryjen | Nidhoggr: brain sandwich ? |
| 22:07.11 | Nidhoggr | so.. my mac works a LOT better at 800x600... still don't get a brightness control in bzflag, though. |
| 22:07.58 | bryjen | hrm |
| 22:07.59 | Nidhoggr | bryjen... I order my bratwurst from a meat processing plant owned by my great uncle. I know the recipe, cuz it's been in the family for decades. :) |
| 22:08.11 | bryjen | ibot: lart TyroneFHornigh |
| 22:08.27 | TyroneFHornigh | ~slap bryjen |
| 22:08.29 | | ACTION slaps bryjen, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:09.10 | Nidhoggr | why would I not get brightness control on the bzflag gui on a mac? |
| 22:09.21 | Spiff | I'm a big fan of Italian sausage.. :-) |
| 22:09.22 | MacaroniCheese | Nidhoggr: ... I don't know if you saw it before, but I said that brightness control/gamma control isn't yet implemented.. 1.11 unless you beat me to it :) |
| 22:09.35 | Nidhoggr | ah, okay. |
| 22:09.53 | Nidhoggr | is it not doing hardware rendering at all? |
| 22:10.34 | Nidhoggr | well, I'm looking forward to the 1.11 |
| 22:10.48 | Tupone | MacaroniCheese: can you generate a client? |
| 22:10.57 | MacaroniCheese | Tupone: explain |
| 22:11.14 | Tupone | I fix a problem and want to check for compatibility |
| 22:11.33 | Tupone | 'cause is network specific |
| 22:11.55 | Tupone | I really don't know the compatibility between different implementation |
| 22:12.03 | MacaroniCheese | oh, if you commited something that doesn't build.. I'll be making noise -- don't worry :) |
| 22:12.44 | Tupone | It will build, but as I'm going to bed nearly now ... want to know if it connect to the server |
| 22:13.02 | Nidhoggr | hiya noodle |
| 22:13.03 | Bags | eating one of your own |
| 22:13.05 | Tupone | I like CaesarSalad |
| 22:13.07 | CaesarSalad | no eatin learner now |
| 22:13.39 | CaesarSalad | stay away from mee LoL |
| 22:14.00 | MacaroniCheese | Tupone: is it commited? |
| 22:14.04 | Tupone | Yeah |
| 22:14.08 | Tupone | ServerLink |
| 22:14.28 | TyroneFHornigh | I think someone is requesting attention. ;) |
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| 22:16.20 | TyroneFHornigh | pat is going for the most reconnects in the irc stats today :) |
| 22:16.26 | Spiff | That's the last time I go to bed at 3:45 AM for a while. |
| 22:16.30 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 22:16.41 | Spiff | Even if it does involve pretty girls. ;) |
| 22:16.43 | TyroneFHornigh | Spiff: You are feeling sleepy, you're eyelids are getting heavy ....... |
| 22:17.01 | MacaroniCheese | Tupone: works for me |
| 22:17.12 | MacaroniCheese | that world weapon is cool :) |
| 22:17.16 | MacaroniCheese | who did that? |
| 22:17.25 | Spiff | Am not. :) |
| 22:17.25 | Tupone | OK! Now Just wait for window user. |
| 22:17.30 | Tupone | larsl site |
| 22:17.51 | Bags | cheesehead: what world weapon? |
| 22:18.05 | MacaroniCheese | On gravitywaves server |
| 22:18.10 | MacaroniCheese | which site is larsl's? |
| 22:18.13 | Tupone | MacaroniCheese: now if you go on xmission 5154 you get no stuck |
| 22:18.27 | larsl | I didn't write the worldweapon code, but gravitywaves is mine. |
| 22:18.52 | TyroneFHornigh | I think mac wrote the code. |
| 22:19.06 | Tupone | MacaroniCheese: and now you dont fall through the floor, either |
| 22:19.26 | Spiff | Even when the floors are *really* thin? |
| 22:19.52 | Tupone | Yeah! Not now for bases, but I'll do tomorrow |
| 22:20.12 | Spiff | That's definitely good. :) That was a rather annoying bug. |
| 22:20.48 | Tupone | But I just fixed vertical problem. You could trespass tiny wall horizontally |
| 22:21.08 | Spiff | Oh.. hiya Noodleman. Didn't see ya there. :-) |
| 22:21.14 | Noodleman | m00f |
| 22:21.18 | TyroneFHornigh | Sounds like a tank should be able to knock down a thin vertical wall. :) |
| 22:21.19 | Tupone | but I think in this case is deliberate |
| 22:21.42 | Spiff | f00m |
| 22:21.43 | Spiff | :) |
| 22:21.46 | Tupone | Even a big wall! If you know how to do |
| 22:22.27 | Tupone | But that is a cheat, even without changing code |
| 22:22.34 | Spiff | OoOo... how about a wall that, when shot, opens enough for a tank to drive through (in the spot where the bullet hit)? ;-) |
| 22:22.35 | Tupone | it's still a cheat |
| 22:24.01 | Tupone | Bye all! I'm stopping now! |
| 22:24.09 | ChikoRoll | nbye Tupone |
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| 22:24.12 | ChikoRoll | -n |
| 22:24.39 | ChikoRoll | ~weather khgr |
| 22:25.00 | MacaroniCheese | I waited for someone to show up.. :) |
| 22:25.04 | MacaroniCheese | nobody did :) |
| 22:25.11 | MacaroniCheese | that is a wierd map, larsl :) |
| 22:25.38 | ChikoRoll | hmm itz nice out 2nite |
| 22:25.50 | Spiff | Quite true ChikoRoll. :) |
| 22:25.59 | Spiff | Perhaps I'll eat outside... that'd be grrrrreat. :D |
| 22:26.02 | Spiff | Back in a flash. |
| 22:26.04 | ChikoRoll | u can see mars next 2 da moon |
| 22:26.09 | Noodleman | more protein |
| 22:26.28 | Noodleman | especially when there is a cloud of nooseeums |
| 22:26.34 | ChikoRoll | ~d |
| 22:26.53 | ChikoRoll | wow elgens up late |
| 22:27.13 | ChikoRoll | bbl |
| 22:27.21 | TyroneFHornigh | It's the late Europe, early east coasters time. |
| 22:27.34 | larsl | I thought that was Jupiter. I didn't know Mars was so bright. |
| 22:27.52 | TyroneFHornigh | It's still pretty close to the Earth. How red did it look? |
| 22:28.26 | larsl | More yellow than red. |
| 22:29.27 | larsl | MacaroniCheese: Did you stay more than three minutes? |
| 22:29.53 | larsl | MacaroniCheese: "Master" will change the game parameters for a short while every three minutes. |
| 22:34.37 | larsl | OK, that is Mars - Jupiter is on the other side of the sun. =) |
| 22:35.27 | TyroneFHornigh | I thought jupiter was working in Colorado ;) |
| 22:41.30 | Patlabor221 | so I aume it didn't blow up when whe chucked the nuke into it? |
| 22:41.57 | larsl | No, it just turned into millions of small black monoliths. |
| 22:44.20 | TyroneFHornigh | We don't know, it's on the other side of the sun ;) |
| 22:44.26 | TyroneFHornigh | or working in Colorado. ;) |
| 22:44.42 | TyroneFHornigh | Those monoliths looked pretty large to me. |
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| 23:05.20 | bzfrank | hi |
| 23:06.46 | Patlabor221 | he's alive? |
| 23:07.40 | MacaroniCheese | hi snausage |
| 23:08.06 | bzfrank | who's alive? |
| 23:08.29 | MacaroniCheese | what's on second |
| 23:09.45 | Patlabor221 | bob! |
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| 23:18.09 | TyroneFHornigh | Everyone is showing up today, hi bzg :) |
| 23:18.16 | bzgirl | hi JB |
| 23:18.26 | bzgirl | oh, hi Bzfrank! |
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| 23:18.53 | bzfrank | hi bzgirl!! |
| 23:19.16 | bzfrank | long time, no tank... ;) |
| 23:19.33 | captain_proton | hey, its frank |
| 23:19.58 | bzfrank | hey captain |
| 23:20.06 | bzgirl | yeah frank, long time, hows things? |
| 23:20.59 | bzfrank | real good so far, except that some guys drowned me in work (but all paid fortunately ;)) |
| 23:21.05 | bzgirl | :) |
| 23:21.21 | bzgirl | TyroneFHornigh: did you vote today? |
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| 23:22.41 | bzfrank | I even protested on the steet recently and wrote a lot letters to my MEPs - you know they wanted to make software patents legel in Europe... |
| 23:23.04 | bzfrank | MEP = Members of European Parliament |
| 23:23.23 | captain_proton | bzfrank: move to switzerland ;) |
| 23:23.29 | captain_proton | center of progressiveness |
| 23:23.43 | bzfrank | no need, so far we have won this battle |
| 23:24.55 | bzfrank | did you know that the swiss copyright law is even more restrictive than ours! The sale of foreign CDs and DVDs is illegal in swizerland |
| 23:25.05 | bzgirl | i thought the swiss were the center of neutrality & chocolates |
| 23:25.14 | Patlabor221 | and watches |
| 23:25.15 | bzgirl | and the Dutch were the progressive ones |
| 23:25.32 | learner | hehe |
| 23:25.41 | bzfrank | they are breeders of pink cows and chocolate bears - ;) |
| 23:25.42 | TyroneFHornigh | bzgirl: I voted first thing in the morning. |
| 23:26.24 | bzgirl | TyroneFHornigh: and will we know tonight? or tommorow? |
| 23:26.56 | TyroneFHornigh | We should know shortly after the polls close unless it's close. That's 8pm PDT. |
| 23:27.17 | learner | It's funny how so many are paying attention to what happens in that lil state's local politics :) |
| 23:27.24 | TyroneFHornigh | Of course, we're still using the punch ballots, so who knows what they'll do with the chad issues :) |
| 23:27.41 | captain_proton | bzgirl: i was being facetious |
| 23:27.55 | captain_proton | switzerland has recently done such things as franchise women |
| 23:27.57 | TyroneFHornigh | As goes CA, so goes the nation ;) |
| 23:28.00 | bzgirl | ~dict facetious |
| 23:28.09 | captain_proton | TyroneFHornigh: terrifying |
| 23:28.23 | captain_proton | err\ |
| 23:28.26 | captain_proton | "enfranchise" |
| 23:28.36 | learner | So before long, I'll be worry more about pollution, traffic, taxes, and my job :) |
| 23:29.12 | captain_proton | learner: don't forget electricity |
| 23:29.19 | TyroneFHornigh | Pollution is better in California, since we started the anti-pollution laws earlier than the rest of the country. |
| 23:29.36 | TyroneFHornigh | traffic is a serious pain, but I wouldn't compare it to the beltway. ;) |
| 23:29.42 | learner | Not the last time I was breathing in LA .. :) |
| 23:30.14 | TyroneFHornigh | It's known as Taxachusetts, which is a long way from here, and we're the epicenter of Prop. 13, which everyone has heard of ;) |
| 23:31.02 | TyroneFHornigh | Jobs are still easier to find out here on the left coast. We're not quite as hard hit by this economic "whatever the beltway bandits are calling it today" :) |
| 23:31.45 | TyroneFHornigh | Electricity was never a problem, distribution is the problem, and I believe that is what is driving this recall. |
| 23:32.29 | TyroneFHornigh | It seems there was a little bit of collusion in that industry, and the current politicos were trying to ferret it out. |
| 23:32.30 | bzfrank | so who is in front from the pre-election polls in CA? |
| 23:33.38 | bzfrank | isn't this Terminator guy candidating? |
| 23:34.03 | captain_proton | hmm, i've never before seen candidate used as a verb |
| 23:34.04 | captain_proton | thats neat |
| 23:34.52 | TyroneFHornigh | Arnie is in front, but the recall has to succeed first. There won't be any election results until after the polls close, and then they'll come in quickly. |
| 23:34.55 | bzfrank | we germans use everything as verb, thats built into our language ;) |
| 23:36.10 | learner | So when was the last time you bzflaged? :) |
| 23:37.10 | learner | to bzflag, or not to bzflag, that is the question |
| 23:37.34 | TyroneFHornigh | Not only is Arnie candidating, but he seems to proceed to candigroping as well ;) |
| 23:38.03 | bzfrank | i see ;) |
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| 23:51.14 | learner | ehm? |
| 23:51.22 | learner | you're pulling out of the bzflag module? |
| 23:51.33 | Patlabor221 | did I say bzflag? |
| 23:51.39 | learner | ah, hehe |
| 23:51.39 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 23:51.58 | *** join/#bzflag Megachirops (Megachirop@dsl093-044-112.sac1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 23:52.01 | Patlabor221 | BZ's data dir isn't large enough to have a problem |
| 23:52.10 | Patlabor221 | this data dir will be a "bit" biger |