| 00:02.18 | learner | ~quol |
| 00:02.27 | learner | ~d |
| 00:03.42 | sn0w_d0ggy | hornet is leggy |
| 00:04.47 | TyroneFHornigh | ChineseSpaceNut: Did you look at http://gerda.univie.ac.at/freebsd-laptops/index.pl?action=list_laptop_mf&mfid=3 |
| 00:05.34 | *** part/#bzflag sn0w_d0ggy (~gig1992@adsl-68-78-98-163.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 00:05.44 | *** join/#bzflag sn0w_d0ggy (~gig1992@adsl-68-78-98-163.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 00:06.17 | TyroneFHornigh | sn0w_d0ggy: Watch out for those sexist comments. (leggy, indeed) |
| 00:18.57 | TyroneFHornigh | ChineseSpaceNut: What model do you have? |
| 00:35.35 | *** join/#bzflag mikep (~mikep@adsl-68-78-98-163.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 00:35.56 | Legolas | ~sn0w_doggy |
| 00:36.16 | Legolas | ~sn0w_d0ggy |
| 00:36.26 | Legolas | ~dabomb |
| 00:36.28 | | [dabomb] daTeam Captain of daPolish Flying Squad |
| 00:36.58 | Legolas | ~Big arrel |
| 00:37.08 | Legolas | ~Big Barrel |
| 00:37.09 | | i heard big barrel is a Big Butt |
| 00:37.33 | *** join/#bzflag Big_Barrel (~chatzilla@adsl-64-219-213-203.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 00:44.49 | Spiff | Hehehe Legolas. |
| 00:44.59 | Spiff | ~Big_Barrel |
| 00:45.01 | | [big_barrel] chikorita's errand boy. |
| 00:45.08 | Spiff | ~Big Barrel |
| 00:45.11 | | methinks big barrel is a Big Butt |
| 00:45.59 | Spiff | ~Spiff |
| 00:46.02 | | [spiff] a member of the magnificent Atomic Fireballs team. |
| 00:51.24 | Big_Barrel | spiff how about a match??? carnage and i are going to rock your world |
| 00:51.31 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-132-62.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 00:51.37 | Big_Barrel | hey carnage |
| 00:51.41 | Big_Barrel | i am asking spiff |
| 00:51.44 | Carnage | k |
| 00:51.50 | Big_Barrel | spiff = scared |
| 00:51.57 | Big_Barrel | chicken bock bock |
| 00:52.04 | Big_Barrel | bock bock chicken |
| 00:52.11 | ChineseSpaceNut | he indicated he was going to sleep earlier |
| 00:52.16 | Big_Barrel | hmmm |
| 00:52.30 | Big_Barrel | i think that was just a bogus comment |
| 00:52.35 | ChineseSpaceNut | but if you msg him, the ping might wake him up |
| 00:52.42 | Big_Barrel | 12 yr olds hate taking naps |
| 00:55.59 | Big_Barrel | spiff |
| 00:56.08 | Big_Barrel | r u there? |
| 00:56.11 | Big_Barrel | ~spiff |
| 00:56.12 | | [spiff] a complete id10t!! some say he can't help it.. |
| 00:56.15 | Big_Barrel | ~seen spiff |
| 00:56.16 | | spiff is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 107 messages. Is idling for 10m 17s |
| 00:56.50 | sn0w_d0ggy | bye all |
| 00:56.54 | Legolas | geez |
| 00:57.01 | Legolas | give it a break |
| 00:57.03 | *** part/#bzflag Legolas (~mikep@adsl-68-78-98-163.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 00:57.50 | sn0w_d0ggy | ~Merry |
| 00:57.57 | sn0w_d0ggy | ~Legolas |
| 00:59.16 | Big_Barrel | dict legolas |
| 00:59.25 | Big_Barrel | ~dict legolas |
| 00:59.45 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@adsl-63-204-119-161.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 01:01.47 | Big_Barrel | JB: if you have a problem with me tell it to my face not behind my back plz :) |
| 01:04.25 | JBDiGriz | I told you to your face yesterday, and at Quol's on Sunday. If you listen, you will hear :) |
| 01:04.33 | Carnage | lol |
| 01:04.37 | Carnage | too funny |
| 01:04.42 | Big_Barrel | no i did not hear |
| 01:04.49 | Big_Barrel | i had to hear from DM |
| 01:05.10 | Big_Barrel | you did not say anything to me yestarday |
| 01:05.12 | Big_Barrel | that i heard |
| 01:05.15 | JBDiGriz | On Sunday, you called me a jerk for my attitude among other things. |
| 01:05.33 | Big_Barrel | hmmm |
| 01:05.50 | Big_Barrel | i do not remember this |
| 01:05.56 | Big_Barrel | calling you a jerk |
| 01:06.11 | JBDiGriz | Yesterday, you were so busy ranting at Mayhem that you probably missed my comments saying he had a right to his opinions and if he wants to play for fun, he didn't have to be insulted. |
| 01:06.28 | Big_Barrel | well was that any of your business? |
| 01:06.33 | Big_Barrel | i don't think so |
| 01:06.53 | Big_Barrel | so next time plz talk to me in private of just talk to me period |
| 01:06.55 | JBDiGriz | Quol probably has the logs from the game, and the log from yesterday is available on http://ibot.rikers.org |
| 01:06.57 | Big_Barrel | not behind my back |
| 01:07.10 | JBDiGriz | Yesterday you made it everyone's business. |
| 01:07.14 | learner | And on that note learner chimes in with: if it's not public commentary, go to a private channel or send private messages |
| 01:07.43 | JBDiGriz | Just like today, you're making it everyone's business by taking it to a public forum. |
| 01:08.03 | Big_Barrel | hmmm, well these logs don't tell me anything |
| 01:08.06 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:08.14 | Big_Barrel | have you even looked at them,?? |
| 01:08.51 | Big_Barrel | well JB you are acting like a little kid....tattling on me,,,lol |
| 01:08.55 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:09.23 | Big_Barrel | next time i will take it private |
| 01:09.29 | Big_Barrel | since you just can't resist |
| 01:09.31 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:09.54 | Big_Barrel | some people are just born to cry...lol |
| 01:10.07 | Big_Barrel | ooooooooo, you said JERK,,,,oh no!!!! |
| 01:10.25 | Big_Barrel | everyone stop what they are doing to hear the terrible work JERK |
| 01:10.27 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:10.34 | JBDiGriz | I don't see the logs from the conversation, I must have the wrong URL. I'm sorry. |
| 01:10.39 | Big_Barrel | live in the reall world man |
| 01:10.41 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:11.02 | Big_Barrel | i did call mayhem a jerk |
| 01:11.04 | JBDiGriz | I will have to go look for them, feel free to keep ranting while I put you on ignore once again. |
| 01:11.07 | Big_Barrel | and i am srry for that |
| 01:11.27 | Big_Barrel | do what makes you happy lol |
| 01:12.26 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:12.59 | Big_Barrel | >>>>baby, let me go search a long list of logs just to prove BB said jerk |
| 01:13.00 | Big_Barrel | lmao |
| 01:13.53 | Big_Barrel | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol |
| 01:14.08 | learner | Enough, please. |
| 01:14.21 | learner | ~logs |
| 01:14.22 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or ibot logs, jbot does not |
| 01:15.03 | Big_Barrel | lol, but JB started it..........lol |
| 01:15.11 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:15.20 | learner | and I will finish it if I have to |
| 01:15.38 | Big_Barrel | lmao |
| 01:16.19 | ChineseSpaceNut | sounds like a line i used recently |
| 01:16.33 | Big_Barrel | you must have kids also :) |
| 01:16.45 | learner | I know.. makes one feel old, doesn't it |
| 01:16.49 | ChineseSpaceNut | "if i have to stop this car" |
| 01:16.53 | ChineseSpaceNut | yep |
| 01:17.13 | ChineseSpaceNut | time revolution |
| 01:17.36 | Revolting | :) |
| 01:17.47 | Big_Barrel | don't make me pull this car over |
| 01:17.48 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:17.50 | learner | heh, that can be read in a couple ways bags :) |
| 01:18.00 | JBDiGriz | Is he still here? |
| 01:18.10 | Big_Barrel | who |
| 01:18.11 | JBDiGriz | Hang on, time for unignore |
| 01:18.12 | Big_Barrel | me? |
| 01:18.18 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:18.29 | Big_Barrel | plz tell me you are not still on this topic JB |
| 01:18.30 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:18.45 | Revolting | thanks for that command, didnt know IRC had it.....was searching violently for it there |
| 01:18.49 | Big_Barrel | seems like alot of frustration over something as little as saying JERK |
| 01:18.52 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:18.56 | JBDiGriz | Ah there you are, my comments yesterday were that I am in total agreement with Mayhem, and I was putting you on ignore. |
| 01:19.10 | Big_Barrel | ok good for you |
| 01:19.11 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:19.17 | Big_Barrel | and what is your point??? |
| 01:19.25 | Big_Barrel | why r u telling me this? |
| 01:19.31 | Big_Barrel | do you think it hurts my feelings? |
| 01:19.33 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:19.43 | JBDiGriz | Exactly that I did tell you to your face, but you're not man enough to admit that you're wrong. |
| 01:19.52 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:20.02 | Big_Barrel | no, you said you were putting my on silence |
| 01:20.06 | Big_Barrel | that is it!! |
| 01:20.15 | Big_Barrel | you went and told DM i said JERK |
| 01:20.18 | Big_Barrel | omg |
| 01:20.19 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:20.22 | Big_Barrel | what ever |
| 01:20.34 | Big_Barrel | i bet you have nothing better to do |
| 01:20.36 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 01:20.37 | *** kick/#bzflag [Big_Barrel!sean@chr160dhcp1509.chrchv01.md.comcast.net] by learner (learner) |
| 01:20.49 | learner | He was warned |
| 01:20.50 | JBDiGriz | Thank you |
| 01:21.19 | Bags | he'll be back |
| 01:21.34 | JBDiGriz | Of course, it was only a kick. He didn't deserve to be banned. |
| 01:21.40 | learner | indeed |
| 01:21.55 | learner | As Patlabor221 taught me: "kicks are harmless" |
| 01:21.59 | learner | :) |
| 01:22.08 | JBDiGriz | If he behaves like cell and keeps coming back to cause problems, then he deserves a ban. |
| 01:22.24 | Bags | i kinda like the 10 minute ban.....it lets things cool off |
| 01:22.41 | JBDiGriz | I'm cool, how are you Bags? |
| 01:22.42 | learner | voting system does a 10 minute ban :) |
| 01:23.14 | learner | what the heck are you doing? :) |
| 01:23.24 | JBDiGriz | What sort of laptop do you have that you're looking for a free Unix? |
| 01:23.46 | Bags | dell 3800, i think rh 9.0 will be ok |
| 01:23.56 | Bags | i have gone down that road before |
| 01:24.12 | JBDiGriz | You might want to check with capn and larsl regarding Linux distros. |
| 01:24.18 | Bags | ~kick learner |
| 01:24.39 | Bags | i am downloading the isos now....looks like a 3 hour operation |
| 01:24.58 | Bags | well see what happens after that.....thnx though |
| 01:25.25 | |tim| | Heya all |
| 01:25.35 | Bags | hey tim |
| 01:25.43 | Spiff | Wow.. I love returning to such brotherly love and cheer. |
| 01:25.54 | learner | howdy length of tim |
| 01:26.14 | Bags | isnt it absolute time |
| 01:26.17 | Bags | tim |
| 01:26.18 | |tim| | whats up learner? |
| 01:26.38 | Bags | or is it tim behind bars |
| 01:26.40 | learner | oh, nothing. just shining up my @ |
| 01:26.41 | Spiff | ~Spiff |
| 01:26.42 | | i guess spiff is the captain of The Atomic Fireballs |
| 01:26.58 | Bags | try lower case there spiffy |
| 01:27.09 | Spiff | Huh Bags? |
| 01:27.12 | Spiff | ~spiff |
| 01:27.14 | | [spiff] the captain of The Atomic Fireballs |
| 01:27.15 | JBDiGriz | We have to call you capn Spiff? Yeesh ;) |
| 01:27.26 | Spiff | Hehehe JB. :) |
| 01:27.36 | Spiff | Private Spiff will do. ;) |
| 01:27.39 | Spiff | Or Corpral Spiff. |
| 01:27.40 | Spiff | LoL |
| 01:27.40 | Bags | someone was cleaning up i see.....good job |
| 01:27.44 | |tim| | ~|tim| |
| 01:27.54 | |tim| | oh i get nothing ;-) |
| 01:27.59 | Bags | ibot does not know you |
| 01:28.00 | | Bags: i haven't a clue |
| 01:28.06 | Bags | see |
| 01:28.19 | Spiff | ibot: No, |tim| is a cool guy |
| 01:28.21 | | Spiff: okay |
| 01:28.25 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-132-5.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 01:28.25 | Spiff | ~|tim| |
| 01:28.27 | | methinks |tim| is a cool guy |
| 01:28.31 | Spiff | ;) |
| 01:28.35 | |tim| | w00t! |
| 01:30.43 | Carnage | we got a cheater on ducati |
| 01:31.16 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (~bzg@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 01:32.28 | Bags | hahah |
| 01:32.36 | Carnage | no help for carnage :( |
| 01:32.46 | Bags | no admin power there for me |
| 01:32.55 | orchid | where? |
| 01:32.55 | learner | sorry, carne - tell chestal to make me an admin and I'll help ya :) |
| 01:33.04 | RogerRabbit | Sorry, but this bunny can't help either. |
| 01:33.08 | Spiff | Bribe Chestal. ;) |
| 01:33.15 | Spiff | There's a cheater on ducati.. or so Carnage says. |
| 01:33.34 | orchid | whats his name? this cheater you speak of? |
| 01:34.11 | learner | ~d |
| 01:34.14 | Bags | thinks that is |
| 01:34.24 | learner | woah |
| 01:34.27 | Spiff | Umm.. gee.. I wonder. |
| 01:34.27 | Spiff | LoL |
| 01:34.33 | Spiff | Seems kinda obvious. :) |
| 01:34.43 | learner | yea, it's clearly |tim| |
| 01:34.45 | Bags | too obvious, its a trap |
| 01:34.48 | Spiff | ;) learner |
| 01:35.23 | learner | okay, time to see movie for real now |
| 01:35.25 | |tim| | Good one |
| 01:35.32 | Spiff | Let's send the new bombsquard bot in. :) |
| 01:40.48 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o orchid] by learner |
| 01:45.34 | Spiff | Wow... quite a fiasco with Barrel earlier. LoL |
| 01:45.38 | Spiff | I just now read it. |
| 01:46.16 | orchid | ElectricElf: poke |
| 01:46.21 | ElectricElf | orchid: Pong |
| 01:46.23 | ElectricElf | orchid: What's up? |
| 01:46.39 | orchid | can i query you a mo |
| 01:46.47 | Spiff | Erm.. no offense if you're not.... but are you a bot, ElectricElf? |
| 01:46.56 | ElectricElf | orchid: I'd prefer speaking in here, but if it needs to be private that's okay :) |
| 01:47.02 | ElectricElf | Spiff: Nope. :) |
| 01:47.21 | Spiff | Wow... you respond really fast for a normal human. Hmm... must just be a better typist than me. |
| 01:48.13 | ElectricElf | Spiff: 130WPM. :) |
| 01:48.33 | Spiff | OoOoOoO... that's pretty fast alright. :) |
| 01:48.33 | ElectricElf | Spiff: Combined with a hotkey to switch heads, having this workspace up already, and tab completion... :) |
| 01:49.25 | Spiff | My problem is mostly that I don't have enough monitor space... so I have to minimize apps. When I have three instant messengers, IRC, and some graphic apps open.. I start getting slower. :) |
| 01:50.56 | gonk-iBook | Spiff: you need a box like mine |
| 01:51.11 | RogerRabbit | It had better be larger than the ibook. ;) |
| 01:51.12 | gonk-iBook | Spiff: http://ion.picogui.org/nova.jpg |
| 01:52.31 | Spiff | Wow... I like it, gonk.. :-D |
| 01:52.39 | gonk-iBook | thanks :) |
| 01:53.03 | RogerRabbit | 6 monitors, not bad, but I would prefer a couple of 23" flat panels. ;) |
| 01:53.13 | Spiff | Man... six.. wow. |
| 01:53.19 | Spiff | Yep... that just flat out r0x0rz. |
| 01:53.44 | gonk-iBook | the only problem is tuxscreen crashes it pretty bad |
| 01:53.46 | ElectricElf | gonk-iBook: Do you actually have a single machine driving all those heads, or do you have multiple machines? :) |
| 01:53.57 | gonk-iBook | ElectricElf: its all one box |
| 01:54.02 | ElectricElf | gonk-iBook: Good man. |
| 01:54.04 | ElectricElf | cheating-- |
| 01:54.25 | ElectricElf | gonk-iBook: A laptop happens to be my second head :) |
| 01:54.44 | gonk-iBook | ElectricElf: that works too, in fact, thats what I do at work |
| 01:54.50 | ElectricElf | gonk-iBook: x2x? |
| 01:54.55 | ElectricElf | (Or Synergy?) |
| 01:55.14 | Spiff | Hmm.. gonk... I like the wall decoration. :) |
| 01:55.38 | gonk-iBook | ElectricElf: no, they are both OS X boxen |
| 01:55.48 | ElectricElf | gonk-iBook: How do you use the laptop as a second head, then? |
| 01:55.48 | gonk-iBook | Spiff: yeah, AOL CDs do have a purpose |
| 01:56.11 | Spiff | LoL... I was just wondering if that's what those were. :) |
| 01:56.35 | Spiff | Are they stuck directly to the wall? They sorta look like they're behind glass in the pic. |
| 01:57.07 | gonk-iBook | ElectricElf: I just move my hands |
| 01:57.54 | gonk-iBook | Spiff: I duct taped them to the concrete wall |
| 01:58.14 | Bags | concrete....guess prision life is improving |
| 01:58.26 | Spiff | Hmmm.. I wonder how long it would take to do a whole room in that motif. :) |
| 01:58.32 | gonk-iBook | Bags: I live in my parent's basement... free rent, electricity and food :) |
| 01:58.49 | Spiff | If you signed up for lots of junk on the net.. you might get it done in a couple of years. :) |
| 01:59.09 | Bags | ...those were the days....... |
| 01:59.12 | gonk-iBook | Spiff: we took a Kinkos for all it was worth |
| 01:59.33 | Spiff | LoL! |
| 02:01.49 | |tim| | ;-) |
| 02:02.33 | Spiff | OoOoOo |
| 02:02.35 | Spiff | Hehe. |
| 02:02.52 | Spiff | Okies.. so.. here's a stupid question... how do you hook all of those monitors up to one system? |
| 02:03.07 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (MAC@balt-209-163-100-62.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 02:04.06 | purple_cow | widgey |
| 02:06.23 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): cleanup |
| 02:06.38 | gonk-iBook | Spiff: want to see my XF86Config? |
| 02:07.17 | Spiff | What is a XF86Config? :) LoL |
| 02:08.20 | gonk-iBook | http://ion.picogui.org/XF86Config |
| 02:08.51 | gonk-iBook | thats how one does it :) |
| 02:10.00 | gonk-iBook | MrApathyCream: sorry, I am not lurking right now |
| 02:10.12 | gonk-iBook | MrApathyCream: as soon as I get done showing off my box, I will return :) |
| 02:11.12 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o orchid] by orchid |
| 02:11.20 | MrApathyCream | phew |
| 02:12.59 | Spiff | Wow.. quite cool. :) |
| 02:13.14 | Spiff | I take it this is Linux stuff? |
| 02:13.29 | Spiff | Seems like Windows couldn't do anything this cool. Or am I wrong? |
| 02:13.48 | gonk-iBook | Spiff: they work in windows too |
| 02:14.17 | gonk-iBook | Spiff: but it isn't anywhere near as usable in winderz |
| 02:14.30 | gonk-iBook | Spiff: I have four cards, two with dual out |
| 02:14.36 | gonk-iBook | and thats how I drive it |
| 02:14.46 | Spiff | Ahhhhhhh... right. Hehe.. cool. |
| 02:14.52 | Spiff | So you do use Linux I take it? |
| 02:15.05 | gonk-iBook | almost exclusively |
| 02:15.20 | gonk-iBook | I use windows on there for gaming and for when I have to run windows only software |
| 02:15.37 | Spiff | Maybe I'll try it someday.. when I have enough computer info to feel confident with it. |
| 02:16.02 | gonk-iBook | I highly recommend it |
| 02:16.15 | gonk-iBook | I started with two, and just kept adding them until I felt like I had enough |
| 02:16.21 | gonk-iBook | then I added one more |
| 02:16.28 | Spiff | What distro do you use? |
| 02:16.36 | gonk-iBook | Gentoo |
| 02:17.37 | MrApathyCream | I use the MS distro |
| 02:17.53 | MrApathyCream | it seems to be the most compatible |
| 02:18.27 | gonk-iBook | MrApathyCream: I didn't realize that they had one |
| 02:19.09 | MrApathyCream | sure, code named, ... woody? no, that's not it, oh yeah, called XP |
| 02:19.27 | gonk-iBook | dang |
| 02:19.30 | Quol | at my old work I had 3 dual head PCI card and 6 19 inch monitors all driven with windows 2000 and Hydrovision by ATI - that was pretty cool |
| 02:19.56 | gonk-iBook | Quol: all my cards are nVidia based |
| 02:20.02 | MrApathyCream | not i |
| 02:20.47 | Quol | does enlightenement support multiple monitors yet? |
| 02:20.59 | Spiff | I'm a Win geek. Shame on me. :) |
| 02:21.19 | Quol | I haven't used Linux in about a year for the desktop so I am out of touch |
| 02:21.39 | Quol | only use them for servers - and for that I only use a command prompt :) |
| 02:23.12 | gonk-iBook | Quol: it worked just fine when I tried it |
| 02:23.21 | gonk-iBook | Quol: my wm of choice is pwm |
| 02:23.33 | Quol | that's cool - e17 is still not out though - wow, jsut checked the site |
| 02:23.45 | Quol | that has been in the dev stages for over 2 years |
| 02:23.51 | Quol | can't believe it |
| 02:24.50 | Quol | pwm - haven't tried that one gonk-iBook - web site?? |
| 02:24.59 | gonk-iBook | its a light fast one |
| 02:25.24 | gonk-iBook | http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/pwm/ |
| 02:25.51 | gonk-iBook | I use it cause its easy to move and resize things |
| 02:25.58 | gonk-iBook | and its fairly fast |
| 02:26.14 | gonk-iBook | I use Eterms and Esetroot though, so I get nice eye candy :) |
| 02:26.46 | Quol | looks a lot like windowmaker |
| 02:27.04 | gonk-iBook | probably is |
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| 02:27.15 | Quol | looks nice enough though - i will try it out at one point :) |
| 02:27.19 | bzfrank | hi |
| 02:27.42 | gonk-iBook | I used fvwm in my early days with redhat, and switched to pwm so that people at work wouldn't have a clue what I was doing, or how to use my box :) |
| 02:27.43 | MrApathyCream | howdy |
| 02:27.50 | Quol | I guess you hage tried the major ones though - KDE, Gnome, Enlightenment..Sawmill/Sawfish? |
| 02:28.00 | Spiff | Hey bzfrank. :) |
| 02:28.04 | gonk-iBook | I tried KDE when I -first- started |
| 02:28.11 | gonk-iBook | and Gnome on my first laptop |
| 02:28.15 | gonk-iBook | didn't like either :/ |
| 02:28.30 | Quol | me too - windowMaker is pretty cool though |
| 02:28.47 | gonk-iBook | I used what ever window manager is on top of CDE on HP-UX over a summer internship |
| 02:29.07 | gonk-iBook | and have been all about pwm since fvwm2 didn't work with multi-head that well :) |
| 02:29.27 | Quol | fvwm = yuck imho |
| 02:29.54 | bzfrank | hey spiff how is life? :) |
| 02:30.02 | Quol | sawfish is alright also - really fast |
| 02:30.15 | Quol | like blackbox too - very light weight and fast |
| 02:30.39 | gonk-iBook | hehehe |
| 02:30.55 | bzfrank | icewm is it for me |
| 02:31.18 | bzfrank | very small and does exactly what I want |
| 02:31.22 | Quol | haven't tried that one in over a year bzfrank - I guess it is much better now |
| 02:31.51 | Spiff | Pretty good, thanks, bzfrank. How is your life? :) |
| 02:31.55 | gonk-iBook | bzfrank: this whole conversation started with a look at my computer ( http://ion.picogui.org/nova.jpg ) and my XF86Config ( http://ion.picogui.org/XF86Config ) |
| 02:32.12 | Quol | as far as "cool" factor is concerned - windowMaker has some really nice effects, and enlughtenment also - except that you need a NASA supercomputer to make enlightenment work fast :) |
| 02:32.55 | bzfrank | spiff: good, for I have now complete the bug list, P2501 is ready for some serious network tests, after all these years... ;) |
| 02:34.13 | bzfrank | guess everyone is thinking it is vapourware by now ;) |
| 02:35.08 | Quol | I was wondering what happened to P2501... |
| 02:35.52 | Quol | what was the URL again? haven't looked at that in over a year also :) from this conversation people would think that I haven't done much in the last year - lol |
| 02:36.05 | bzfrank | the web page is pretty much the same |
| 02:36.37 | bzfrank | but I have now worked the last months my free time to finally get it working |
| 02:37.24 | Spiff | I shall return. |
| 02:37.31 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/data/l10n (bzflag_en_US_l33t.po): bored |
| 02:37.37 | bzfrank | I will post the new URL for the current network able version in the forum at bzbb.bakadigital.com |
| 02:38.01 | bzfrank | and this one also includes fully programmable robots! ;) |
| 02:38.16 | Quol | cool - I will try it out |
| 02:38.45 | Quol | if you want bzfrank - I will host a server for you - it's on a fast link (10Mb fiber) |
| 02:39.04 | Quol | that way you can try it out or have people try it out etc... |
| 02:39.09 | bzfrank | I also make the network routines multithreaded, the server now creates a thread for each connected client - makes things faster |
| 02:39.51 | Bags | ooooo......sounds like some new fun |
| 02:39.56 | bzfrank | Quol, that would be great, I need to compile the server on Linux though... the current test is too Windows centric ;) But should be not much work using SDL all the way |
| 02:40.12 | Quol | it's OK - my server is linux |
| 02:40.34 | Quol | ohh - you mean it only runs on windows? |
| 02:40.51 | bzfrank | no, it is just CURRENTLY compiled on Windows |
| 02:41.03 | bzfrank | but it has no Windows API inside |
| 02:41.05 | MrApathyCream | bzfrank multithreaded w00t. |
| 02:41.12 | MrApathyCream | i've been arguing with riker for years about that |
| 02:41.39 | Quol | bzfrank: my current server is redhat 9 |
| 02:41.41 | MrApathyCream | he insists that it is not needed. bah i say |
| 02:41.54 | bzfrank | well, I hope it will scale well - untl now I only tested with 5 clients (4 robots and 1 player) |
| 02:41.57 | Quol | but have access to hundreds of windows 2000 servers :) |
| 02:42.14 | bzfrank | btw robots are clients on their own right - they only run headless ;) |
| 02:42.34 | MrApathyCream | a 100 threads shouldn't be a problem on a reasonable machine |
| 02:42.57 | bzfrank | yep |
| 02:42.58 | Quol | MAC - what's resonable - PIII 650Mhz? |
| 02:43.36 | Quol | or are we talking dual P4 2.5Ghz, 1Gb RAM? |
| 02:43.39 | MrApathyCream | that might not be reasonable |
| 02:43.41 | MrApathyCream | P4 800 |
| 02:43.51 | MrApathyCream | should be able to handle 100 network threads no problem |
| 02:44.04 | Quol | my current BZ server is only a dual PIII 400, with 512 MB RAM |
| 02:44.15 | MrApathyCream | well a dual... that should be fine |
| 02:44.29 | bzfrank | A P4 1.6 Ghz runs the server and 5 clients on the same box pretty well |
| 02:45.51 | bzfrank | well, it is a different approach than BZFlag, lets see how it works out ;) |
| 02:46.06 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 02:46.23 | Quol | well - I will see if I can get another Linux box on the net on the standby link - taht would give me another box dedicated to just play around with and host P2501 |
| 02:46.54 | Quol | it would be a dual PIII 700 with a gig of ram - something along those lines |
| 02:47.00 | Quol | should be enough |
| 02:47.07 | bzfrank | THAT would be plenty ;) |
| 02:47.07 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 02:48.48 | MrApathyCream | is the game 2-1/2D like bz? |
| 02:51.43 | bzfrank | yes |
| 02:51.47 | bzfrank | exactly the same gameplay |
| 02:52.11 | bzfrank | you can however climb up objects etc. |
| 02:52.43 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 02:53.38 | bzfrank | you can even kick around objects THAT was the big thing to implement - I wanted the tanks to be able to play soccer in the network |
| 02:59.41 | bryjen | ~bzflist |
| 02:59.53 | MrApathyCream | hey, purple_cow, bagladesh? |
| 03:00.25 | MrApathyCream | bzfrank, i wanted to create an 'architect' flag that would allow that, never got around to it |
| 03:00.46 | bzfrank | yes, the nuke is IN! |
| 03:00.53 | MrApathyCream | http://y.20q.net:8095/ IS an interesting link... |
| 03:01.35 | bzfrank | it is not easy to do, also bzflag does not maintain a 'world' only clients, flags and shot, the rest is statics |
| 03:02.01 | MrApathyCream | well there is a world database on the server |
| 03:02.20 | MrApathyCream | you'd have to repack it all the time for new joins which would be painful |
| 03:02.36 | bzfrank | not feasable |
| 03:03.33 | MrApathyCream | well for in game action a simple MsgMoveBuilding would be easy |
| 03:03.41 | MrApathyCream | it's just the new joins that are a problem. |
| 03:03.51 | MrApathyCream | and i guess robots would have to rebuild they're regions |
| 03:03.55 | MrApathyCream | but they should go anyway |
| 03:04.16 | MrApathyCream | Do you have moving platforms? |
| 03:04.17 | bzfrank | robots? |
| 03:04.22 | bzfrank | yes |
| 03:04.28 | MrApathyCream | bzflag -solo 4 |
| 03:04.29 | MrApathyCream | bots |
| 03:04.32 | bzfrank | rotating, moving, whatever |
| 03:04.37 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 03:05.00 | MrApathyCream | does the server completely control the state, or is it loosy-goosy like bz? |
| 03:05.05 | bzfrank | and every client can initiate new objects in game |
| 03:05.20 | bzfrank | loosy, but the clients authenticate |
| 03:05.22 | MrApathyCream | neat |
| 03:05.54 | MrApathyCream | Was that a hard decision or did you just sort of fall into it? |
| 03:06.03 | MrApathyCream | (server controled state, that is) |
| 03:06.47 | bzfrank | server controlled state is doable, but it was easier this way |
| 03:07.26 | MrApathyCream | there are some here that think that scs needs to be implemented, or else there's no hope |
| 03:07.30 | MrApathyCream | i dunno |
| 03:07.59 | bzfrank | the 'world' run on all clients and server likewise, the server just checks for impossible things (too fast shots, etc.) but otherwise just runs the world |
| 03:08.20 | MrApathyCream | yeh bz does that now too. |
| 03:08.25 | bzfrank | all objects are network-able, creating one, creates one all nodes |
| 03:08.30 | MrApathyCream | apparently cheating is a huge problem at this point still tho |
| 03:08.53 | bzfrank | yes, hence for the authentication layer like nettrek does |
| 03:08.53 | bryjen | bzfs _tries_ to do that |
| 03:09.28 | MrApathyCream | bryjen, yeah |
| 03:09.52 | MrApathyCream | server just has a object graph that is serializable on request for new joins? |
| 03:15.38 | bzfrank | Well, in p2501 also the server and the cleitns share exactly the same code... in fact both are identical on the connection layer |
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| 03:17.33 | MrApathyCream | huh |
| 03:17.47 | MrApathyCream | intersting |
| 03:18.06 | MrApathyCream | but there is a server, no just peer based? |
| 03:18.37 | bzfrank | thre is a server, only it can allow access the game 'network' |
| 03:19.34 | bzfrank | clients connect to a 'well-known' port alike in BZFlag, the clients then get a unique token to identify and a separate port if opened to serve it |
| 03:20.16 | bzfrank | only that there is no TPC at all, everthing is UDP based using also reliable connections, own retransmit and packet priorization |
| 03:20.21 | bzfrank | TCP ;) |
| 03:21.16 | bzfrank | I suspect it won't work over a NAT firewall, at least the server must be directly accessable. But for clients it is NAT friendly |
| 03:22.33 | MrApathyCream | packet coallescing? |
| 03:23.45 | bzfrank | no, turned out more a speed penality then anything else |
| 03:24.59 | bzfrank | a clietn can tell the server his 'bandith' on connect. Ping time is constantly measured and the client and server control the updates to make sure it works also over small pipes |
| 03:25.14 | bzfrank | getting late, I make more typos than chars ;) |
| 03:26.20 | bzfrank | One reason it took soo long was simply that I needed to build the infrastructure to get this working |
| 03:26.22 | Quol | bed time for me over here - see you all later.. |
| 03:26.27 | bzfrank | cu |
| 03:28.13 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
| 03:29.46 | bzfrank | http://www.wizards.de/~frank/project2501/Project2501_Alpha21_Build_17103.zip |
| 03:30.24 | bzfrank | this is the link to the test version, I also posted this link just this moment in the forum |
| 03:30.35 | bzfrank | as told Windows only at the moment |
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| 03:46.45 | bzfrank | so does it work well? ;) |
| 03:46.51 | Noodleman | i love it |
| 03:47.06 | Noodleman | now i need to see how it runs under wine in linux |
| 03:47.10 | bzfrank | A imac 17 is standing right beside this windows box so I use iTunes there |
| 03:47.26 | Noodleman | i'll have a powermac g4 any day now |
| 03:48.42 | Noodleman | itunes is the new killer app for windows |
| 03:48.52 | Noodleman | as soon as people find out about it :-) |
| 03:49.12 | bzfrank | does it need registration? |
| 03:49.16 | Noodleman | nope |
| 03:49.37 | bzfrank | does it phone home and tell apple your mp3 collection? ;) |
| 03:49.45 | Noodleman | i have no idea |
| 03:50.00 | bzfrank | well, I don't think they so such things... beside my firewall would tell me |
| 03:50.42 | Noodleman | man, this new washer/dryer we have, i think it's going to tear down the freakin' house! |
| 03:50.53 | bzfrank | loud? |
| 03:51.16 | Noodleman | it sounds like either a jackhammer or a bunch of machine guns firing in unison |
| 03:51.49 | bzfrank | uh oh |
| 03:52.02 | Noodleman | if you can't hear "ride of the valkyries" over it, it's loud :-) |
| 03:54.19 | bzfrank | thats loud ;) |
| 04:10.20 | MrApathyCream | ibot, captain_proton's last checkin? |
| 04:10.23 | | MrApathyCream: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 04:10.42 | bzfrank | ibot is a dumb robot ;) |
| 04:10.43 | | bzfrank: wish i knew |
| 04:10.49 | bzfrank | see :) |
| 04:11.06 | MrApathyCream | if only he had answered that for my question, but no, ibot couldn't play along |
| 04:20.35 | bzfrank | so how is it |
| 04:22.04 | bzfrank | kill bill that is? |
| 04:25.08 | learner | oh, it was great! |
| 04:25.47 | learner | There were plenty of sweet fight scenes |
| 04:25.57 | bzfrank | sounds good! :) |
| 04:26.48 | learner | Tarantino put together a rather well produced film.. in his classic style, he aims to make your jaw drop more than once |
| 04:26.59 | learner | Great story, too :) |
| 04:27.12 | learner | Not for kids, though .. |
| 04:27.58 | learner | Soo... bzfrank.. your of p2501 fame... |
| 04:28.25 | bzfrank | fame... if you want to tell it so ;) |
| 04:28.39 | learner | heh |
| 04:28.42 | bzfrank | more infame due to the long time it is in the works ;) |
| 04:28.52 | learner | I'd seen the screenshots and info, but the project looked stale ;) |
| 04:29.07 | bzfrank | nope, JUST released a new version |
| 04:29.21 | bzfrank | see the forum on http://bzbb.bakadigital.com |
| 04:29.23 | learner | I don't know most any of the details, did you fork or start fresh? |
| 04:29.25 | bzfrank | for a link |
| 04:29.32 | bzfrank | neither ;) |
| 04:29.53 | bzfrank | I just found some free time to continue |
| 04:30.10 | learner | bzbb.bakadigital.com is old, btw. :) it's now bzbb.bzflag.org |
| 04:30.36 | bzfrank | whatever - still it is the same forum ;) |
| 04:30.48 | Spiff | Uma skeeeeeeeeeeers me. :) |
| 04:31.24 | learner | omg uma hurta? ha! |
| 04:32.40 | learner | yes.. slowly but surely.. |
| 04:32.41 | bzfrank | sometimes 1 + 1 makes 3 for large values of 1 |
| 04:32.52 | learner | I talked to you a _long_ time ago, bzfrank, about your tank =) |
| 04:33.16 | bzfrank | my forum icon? |
| 04:33.20 | learner | that was one of my first messages, I believe |
| 04:33.22 | learner | yes |
| 04:33.51 | bzfrank | Ahh, i remember |
| 04:34.24 | learner | :) a while, eh? |
| 04:34.39 | learner | so what do you mean by "neither" :) |
| 04:35.04 | bzfrank | too much state in the gray matter |
| 04:35.53 | bzfrank | well, as a freelancer I need to go where the money is, if my customers tell me jump, I usually do - and after a 12 hours coding day I don't have much power left for anything else |
| 04:36.32 | bzfrank | but i think your question was IF p2501 is a fork of bzflag? |
| 04:37.00 | learner | heh, yes.. that was the question :) |
| 04:37.59 | purple_cow | mmm...sg1 |
| 04:38.05 | bzfrank | it is not := |
| 04:38.07 | bzfrank | :) |
| 04:38.40 | learner | Rather impressive either way :) |
| 04:39.05 | bzfrank | thanks, P2501 was completely written from scratch |
| 04:40.05 | learner | ah. not "so" long ago, I see |
| 04:40.13 | learner | May 23 :) |
| 04:40.36 | bzfrank | Started Summer 2001, Mai 2002 I resurrected it the first time after a few months of inactivity |
| 04:41.17 | bzfrank | now I worked over the last months in silence - I need to finally get it out before end of 2003 |
| 04:41.34 | bzfrank | at least that is the plan |
| 04:41.43 | Spiff | That'd be nice. ;) |
| 04:42.07 | learner | I'm referring to the message I sent/received regarding your avatar .. it's the very first one in my bzbb inbox :) |
| 04:42.42 | learner | pretty cool. So where are you going with p2501? |
| 04:42.48 | bzfrank | the metal slug tank... |
| 04:43.19 | learner | stand-alone game (which is cool) or a merge into bzflag (also cool) or just a pet project? |
| 04:46.00 | bzfrank | no merge, the code philosophy is too different - my style is more Obj-C than C++, also in the light of the object structure |
| 04:46.18 | bzfrank | also I am not a GPL guy, release source will be BSD style |
| 04:46.31 | Spiff | BSD style? |
| 04:47.19 | Spiff | A lil' too much brotherly love in here, eh? ;) |
| 04:47.21 | bzfrank | yep, allows for using the code also in closed source programs as long as credit is given |
| 04:47.25 | learner | Very cool, frank :) very cool... |
| 04:47.48 | Spiff | Ohhhh.. neat. :) |
| 04:48.11 | Spiff | Okies.. it's almost midnight. Spiffy's off to bed. :) |
| 04:48.16 | bzfrank | cu |
| 04:48.28 | Spiff | C-ya all tomorrow.. err.. later today... whatever. :) |
| 04:48.29 | learner | I'm impressed by the BSD, of course, but also by the obj-c -- there's not many of that breed around here |
| 04:48.33 | learner | G'night spiff |
| 04:48.56 | learner | Did you actually write it in obj-c or just in a more runtime-oriented style? |
| 04:49.20 | bzfrank | most are prefering the strong typing, c++ class driven approach |
| 04:49.29 | learner | yes, indeed |
| 04:50.08 | learner | it's a different noodle to chew on |
| 04:50.24 | learner | oh really? nice. nice. |
| 04:50.36 | bzfrank | http://www.wizards.de/~frank |
| 04:50.53 | bzfrank | still some of my Nextstep work visible there ;) |
| 04:50.53 | RogerRabbit | Uh-oh, too many mac types in a single channel. We might go critical. |
| 04:50.59 | learner | Did you work for NeXT, or just program for it? |
| 04:51.20 | bzfrank | program - I would never work as a company drone ;) |
| 04:51.38 | learner | ha! |
| 04:51.47 | RogerRabbit | I interviewed with NeXT when they were first getting started. I probably should have gone with it. |
| 04:52.16 | bzfrank | it was a great time! |
| 04:52.47 | bzfrank | still have two Cubes and several Slabs in the basement |
| 04:52.48 | learner | GMTA :) |
| 04:52.58 | learner | I see you are/were a Be fan too :) |
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| 04:53.34 | learner | lo mac |
| 04:53.40 | bzfrank | Hey, I still OWN a BeBox! |
| 04:53.53 | learner | hehe |
| 04:54.00 | MrApathyCream | I have the Objective-C manual kicking around it came with too |
| 04:54.06 | RogerRabbit | I never really appreciated BeOS. |
| 04:54.12 | MrApathyCream | more dynamic inheritance is all i remember about it |
| 04:55.05 | bzfrank | yep, alike smalltalk |
| 04:55.15 | bzfrank | run time binding |
| 04:55.19 | MrApathyCream | yag |
| 04:55.23 | MrApathyCream | heh, yah |
| 04:55.42 | bzfrank | ahh, not this braindead C++ compile time everything template idiotic stuff ;) |
| 04:56.05 | bzfrank | still you can use C++ alike Obj-C, at least a bit |
| 04:56.23 | learner | So.. I notice a clear lack of OS X on your site.. any reason? |
| 04:56.30 | MrApathyCream | but it does make it somewhat slower because of the dynamicness |
| 04:57.23 | bzfrank | but you can do things you would never dream of in C++ making your code so much clearer and compact. also the runtime binding wasn't so slow either |
| 04:58.16 | bzfrank | Not updated yet ;) |
| 04:58.40 | learner | I bet some of your next projects would convert rather nicely over to cocoa |
| 04:59.05 | learner | do you have an os x box? |
| 04:59.11 | bzfrank | two ;) |
| 04:59.15 | learner | heh |
| 04:59.26 | bzfrank | ibook and some iMac 17' |
| 04:59.49 | RogerRabbit | Do you have room in your house to move amidst all the machines, and how much A/C do you need? |
| 05:00.16 | bzfrank | p2501 is multithreaded ;) (using SDLThreads) |
| 05:00.26 | learner | I read up above :) |
| 05:00.49 | bzfrank | stainless steel rat, eh? |
| 05:01.21 | JBDiGriz | My usual nick in this group and while playing. I'm a Harry Harrison fan, ;) |
| 05:01.42 | bzfrank | got all books |
| 05:02.07 | JBDiGriz | I think you're the first bzflagger to have read them all. |
| 05:02.44 | bzfrank | my SF collection is quite substantial ;) |
| 05:02.54 | JBDiGriz | Only a few others have actually recognized the nickname. |
| 05:03.42 | bzfrank | why? I am just the average guy. ;) |
| 05:03.46 | MrApathyCream | learner was eaten by a grue |
| 05:04.47 | learner | hehe |
| 05:04.57 | learner | did I linger? |
| 05:05.02 | JBDiGriz | I would say you're a little better read and informed than the average guy. SF, NeXT, and various other OS's aren't the typical fare of the people around here. |
| 05:05.26 | bzfrank | ok, I had plenty time and resources at my hand ;) |
| 05:05.43 | JBDiGriz | Always an advantage :) |
| 05:06.04 | learner | yes.. Smalltalk, multithreading, obj-c, NeXT, BeOS, OS X, etc are not "par for the course" |
| 05:06.10 | bzfrank | btw you surely know the free library at baen books? |
| 05:06.49 | JBDiGriz | No, but I'm just looking at it. |
| 05:07.21 | learner | so how from from os x is p2501? untested? tested? working? |
| 05:07.56 | JBDiGriz | I recognize a couple of the names besides Niven and Pournelle. |
| 05:08.07 | bzfrank | P2501 uses plain SDL, so the port should be not that much work. I already tested it on Linux and SGI |
| 05:08.36 | bzfrank | (A bit slow on my lowly 200 MHz Octane but it runs ;)) |
| 05:09.01 | bzfrank | If you like large space battles read Weber... ;) |
| 05:09.02 | learner | so untested :) |
| 05:09.12 | learner | but close |
| 05:09.13 | JBDiGriz | An octane as well. Running Linux or Irix? |
| 05:09.37 | learner | Hey, JB, did you see the iTunes announcement? |
| 05:09.39 | bzfrank | My computer collection is also quite substantial |
| 05:10.02 | bzfrank | IRIX 6.5.something |
| 05:10.07 | JBDiGriz | Yep, I was hearing about it from several people. I'm curious about the Pepsi campaign as well. |
| 05:11.12 | learner | that would explain why the music store was unavailable earlier today... |
| 05:11.44 | JBDiGriz | I haven't read Weber, but I've been more into taking care of kids than reading SF. I still keep up with David Brin's work. |
| 05:12.14 | bzfrank | I have some Brin books, Glory season e.g. but I never go into his style |
| 05:12.37 | JBDiGriz | He's far more into scientific speculation than fiction. |
| 05:12.53 | bzfrank | exactly |
| 05:13.56 | bzfrank | Iain M. Banks writes extremely good books (at least some of them), "Player of games" or "Excession" are very nice |
| 05:15.03 | JBDiGriz | I can see I'm going to get lost for a bit in the Baen library. :) |
| 05:15.58 | bzfrank | Personally I am also a fan of Jack Vance, but this is certainly not for everyone |
| 05:16.20 | bzfrank | I think they did great by releasing the books for *free* |
| 05:16.37 | learner | lmao @ "Hell Froze Over" |
| 05:16.41 | JBDiGriz | I've read something by him, but I don't recall what. Was it more fantasy than science? |
| 05:16.50 | bzfrank | I only order Baen if I can since then, to show my support for this policy ;) |
| 05:17.03 | bzfrank | Vance is usually a mix of |
| 05:21.35 | bzfrank | Ooops, 7:21 am and I am still working... |
| 05:21.50 | bzfrank | time to shutdown |
| 05:21.51 | learner | heh |
| 05:21.53 | bzfrank | cu |
| 05:21.57 | learner | cya bzfrank |
| 05:22.00 | learner | nice talking to you |
| 05:22.04 | JBDiGriz | cya |
| 05:22.17 | bzfrank | I'll be back :) |
| 05:30.14 | learner | it's like giving crack out to the masses, I'm loving it |
| 05:31.06 | JBDiGriz | No kidding. I better work on something else or I'll be at it all night. :) |
| 05:32.39 | learner | hehe, I think we're both in our own separate little nirvana's :) |
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| 05:58.06 | wallycrooze | What is the password to connect as anonymous to bzflag cvs? |
| 05:59.04 | learner | there is no password |
| 05:59.59 | learner | but last I heard, anonymous wasn't working still -- might be non-functional |
| 06:00.43 | wallycrooze | okay... I've been getting an unauthorisation message. |
| 06:01.15 | wallycrooze | is this going to be remedied? |
| 06:01.42 | learner | sf has had trouble handling the load for months now |
| 06:01.55 | learner | we have automatic snapshots being generated, though |
| 06:02.00 | learner | ~sfsnap |
| 06:02.10 | learner | ibot: sup G? |
| 06:02.12 | | nuthin, yous? |
| 06:04.53 | learner | ibot: sfsnap is http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/ |
| 06:04.55 | | okay, learner |
| 06:05.02 | learner | there you go |
| 06:15.29 | learner | you should be able to download the latest from that folder and it'ss be the most current cvs (the ar auto-generated on cvs commit) |
| 06:15.45 | learner | s/ss/ll/ |
| 06:16.10 | wallycrooze | how far away is the expected release of v1_9? |
| 06:16.18 | learner | any day now |
| 06:16.44 | wallycrooze | is there a list of outstanding issues which are stopping release? |
| 06:17.08 | learner | and technically, 1.9 is released, there is no v1_9 cvs tag, we're at 1.9.7 -- it'll be released as 1.10 |
| 06:17.37 | learner | BUGS and TODO list some of the outstanding issues (TODO being the more relevant) |
| 06:18.06 | wallycrooze | okay... i new that v1_8 will be skipped but didn't expect 1.9 |
| 06:18.40 | learner | the number system was changed rather significantly this release |
| 06:19.23 | learner | it's now major.minor.patch with odd minor releases being developer versions and even being release versions |
| 06:19.43 | learner | similar to other projects, like the linux kernel for example |
| 06:20.29 | learner | from the look of the TODO, there is just one issue remaining right now |
| 06:21.05 | wallycrooze | i thought minor releases were backward compatible. |
| 06:21.20 | wallycrooze | or meant to be in other projects |
| 06:21.56 | learner | yes, it's "supposed" to be, but considering this is the first using the new numbering scheme, it was deemed acceptable |
| 06:22.11 | learner | a bit of a leap from the prior numbering to 2.0 |
| 06:22.59 | learner | it hasn't been settled, though, whether minor will represent backwards compatible releases still |
| 06:23.36 | wallycrooze | would avoid confusion if it went to 2.0 and announce the new number scheme. |
| 06:25.00 | learner | preaching to the choir.. send a memo to TimRiker ;) |
| 06:26.08 | wallycrooze | sounds like this discussion has been going for a while... i've been offline for longer than expected |
| 06:26.54 | learner | yes, it's been a couple months in the works .. it was a big win to even get everyone to agree on X.Y.Z |
| 06:27.45 | learner | are you an bz oldtimer? |
| 06:28.32 | wallycrooze | been playing it for a few years, and every so often add my bugs. |
| 06:29.14 | learner | Did you know chris? |
| 06:29.21 | wallycrooze | don't actively work on fixing the product as I've got an employer who expects me to work! |
| 06:30.25 | wallycrooze | yeah... started a month ago! but based in australia. |
| 06:30.34 | learner | ah |
| 06:31.10 | learner | that's cool. |
| 06:31.14 | wallycrooze | working on filesystems for a few OSes. |
| 06:31.35 | learner | the xfs stuff? |
| 06:31.36 | wallycrooze | Mac, NT and IRIX primarily. |
| 06:31.47 | learner | xfs for os x would be sweet :) |
| 06:31.49 | wallycrooze | cxfs... clustered xfs. |
| 06:31.57 | learner | ah, way cool ;) |
| 06:32.25 | wallycrooze | as far as I'm aware we are not doing a full version of xfs though. |
| 06:33.49 | wallycrooze | there is an alternative... ext2fs... by brian bergstrand... and it's free |
| 06:34.21 | wallycrooze | xfs for linux has been around for a while now... |
| 06:34.49 | wallycrooze | extfsx is a sourceforge project. |
| 06:34.58 | wallycrooze | ext2fsx... |
| 06:34.59 | learner | experimental and unsupported are not as favorably viewed as something being backed by sgi or ibm directely :) |
| 06:35.17 | purple_cow | i said xfsrt, not xfs |
| 06:35.25 | wallycrooze | ext2 is a port from free bsd. |
| 06:35.38 | wallycrooze | xfsrt... i haven't heard about that |
| 06:35.55 | wallycrooze | too busy in my own little world. |
| 06:36.31 | purple_cow | realtime streams for xfs |
| 06:37.52 | wallycrooze | don't know what's happening there. |
| 06:38.17 | wallycrooze | i better get back to work... thanks for the info learner |
| 06:40.23 | learner | bedtime |
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| 11:59.29 | tapo^wk | cool discussion. |
| 12:20.56 | rooter | good morning all |
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| 13:20.58 | Pimpinella | hi there |
| 13:21.11 | Pimpinella | so reading? |
| 13:21.48 | Pimpinella | ping |
| 13:22.12 | Pimpinella | bye then |
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| 15:03.21 | Pimpinella | hi |
| 15:03.38 | Pimpinella | sb there |
| 15:03.39 | Pimpinella | ? |
| 15:03.40 | tapo^wk | hi |
| 15:03.49 | Pimpinella | cool |
| 15:04.31 | Pimpinella | do you know how to change the email-fild in the scores? |
| 15:04.38 | tapo^wk | no |
| 15:04.39 | Pimpinella | field... |
| 15:04.45 | tapo^wk | is it in a file? |
| 15:04.47 | Pimpinella | hm |
| 15:05.03 | Pimpinella | anyone else? |
| 15:07.53 | Bagheera | yes |
| 15:07.57 | Bagheera | what OS |
| 15:08.06 | tapo^wk | should a pyramid tree placable everywhere, or only on the ground? |
| 15:08.20 | tapo^wk | +be |
| 15:08.30 | Bagheera | everywhere, might want some roof top trees |
| 15:09.14 | tapo^wk | yes? ok, |
| 15:10.54 | Pimpinella | Bagheera: still there? |
| 15:14.50 | Pimpinella | Bagheera: i found a ~/.bzflag file, but i dont know what to change there, none of the reords seem relevant |
| 15:20.40 | tapo^wk | ok, my tunnel now has a base element. have some flying tunnels.... |
| 15:21.29 | tapo^wk | but I don't now how to make these things usable. some small tools like "bzflag_tree x y z height" ? |
| 15:23.34 | Spiff | What OS, Pimpinella? |
| 15:24.21 | Pimpinella | Bagheera and drinian already helped me, it works now. Tx. |
| 15:25.19 | Spiff | 'kay. |
| 15:43.00 | gonk-work | Spiff: get back to IRC! |
| 15:43.07 | gonk-work | hehehe :) |
| 15:43.09 | gonk-work | oops |
| 15:49.19 | tapo^wk | "Usage: bzflag_tree x,y,z [height] (no spaces between x, y and z !)" should be ok for everyone who can read, right? |
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| 15:58.15 | tapo^wk | ok, I've got a strange map effect. my bzflag is 1.7g2, no openGL on this computer. The simple map is at http://www.home.unix-ag.org/tjabo/bzflag/bridge.map . When I come from north, I can drive through the second bridge pier from left. Why?. |
| 15:58.37 | tapo^wk | the box of the pier is on the ground. z = 0.0 |
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| 16:02.04 | tapo^wk | I can drive through all of them. but why? (bzflag -window) |
| 16:10.41 | Spiff | OoOoO... gonk came out of his corner. ;) |
| 16:10.44 | tapo^wk | can anyone of YOU drive through them., too? |
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| 16:11.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | mornin |
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| 16:11.56 | Spiff | OoOoO.. hello there m0nkey. :) |
| 16:12.06 | Spiff | G'mornin' Patlabor221. :) |
| 16:12.49 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 16:13.08 | Spiff | I'm pondering lunch. Though it's only 11:15. |
| 16:13.32 | sn0w_m0nkey | food ... good |
| 16:14.55 | Spiff | Mmmmmm hmmmmm. :) |
| 16:20.07 | Spiff | I love Friday's... they just flat out rock! :) |
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| 16:24.40 | Spiff | ~|tim| |
| 16:24.42 | | extra, extra, read all about it, |tim| is the length of the absolute value of the one called tim |
| 16:24.55 | Spiff | Hmmm. Interesting. |
| 16:25.00 | Patlabor221 | hmmm then |tim| is a scaler |
| 16:25.22 | TyroneFHornigh | He doesn't act like a vector. |
| 16:25.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:25.59 | learner | maybe he has pointy hair |
| 16:26.35 | |tim| | LoL |
| 16:26.38 | Spiff | Nah.. that's me... Calvin, remember. :) |
| 16:30.55 | Spiff | ~Spiff |
| 16:30.57 | | well, spiff is the captain of The Atomic Fireballs |
| 16:31.21 | Spiff | It's good to know that his incredible rudeness hasn't been back to change that. :) |
| 16:47.49 | gonk-work | Spiff: get back to work :) |
| 16:48.16 | Patlabor221 | he works? |
| 16:49.00 | TyroneFHornigh | Last I heard, he works out, but that was about it. ;) |
| 16:49.30 | Spiff | Hehehe Tyrone. :) |
| 16:49.37 | Patlabor221 | well preening isn't really work :) |
| 16:49.46 | Spiff | I work.. on lots of stuff. Right now I'm playing with a HUD layout. |
| 16:49.51 | Spiff | ;) |
| 16:50.52 | Patlabor221 | skipping your C++ tuts again? |
| 16:51.38 | Spiff | Noperz.. haven't gotten to 'em yet. :) Though I think I've memorized the hello world app and how it works by now. LoL |
| 16:51.54 | TyroneFHornigh | When's spiff going to become a contributor to the group? ;) |
| 16:52.27 | Spiff | Soon I hope. :) |
| 16:52.46 | TyroneFHornigh | That sounds good :) |
| 16:57.18 | Patlabor221 | yes yes, I know you got hello world working, I helped you do it :) |
| 16:57.29 | Spiff | I'm actually spending some time doing "constructive" things for a change. Wow.. history in the making. ;) |
| 17:10.07 | Spiff | Actually.. you helped the tutorial. It was listed improperly. ;) |
| 17:12.04 | Patlabor221 | I also told you how to get it to work in VC with a DSP |
| 17:13.11 | TyroneFHornigh | Egads, you could have at least made sure he was working with a proper development environment, shell and gcc. ;) |
| 17:15.27 | Bagheera | C is a dead language, Forth in the new C |
| 17:15.45 | Bagheera | s/in/is |
| 17:16.55 | TyroneFHornigh | I haven't seen any kernels written in forth yet, and around long enough it's been. |
| 17:17.04 | Spiff | Hehehe Tyrone. :) |
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| 17:19.59 | TyroneFHornigh | I wonder if the purple cow herd drinks Red Bull? |
| 17:21.07 | purple_cow2 | nope |
| 17:21.47 | TyroneFHornigh | ;) |
| 17:33.14 | Spiff | Okies... Spiffy's finally going to go eat. |
| 17:33.46 | learner | Spiff.. p.prro proogra programming??!? |
| 17:34.06 | learner | There is hope for that boy, yet |
| 17:36.48 | Bagheera | hey TyroneFHornigh, ever kick up a SPARC.....it boots under forth |
| 17:38.54 | TyroneFHornigh | As do all of the SBUS cards, and then it executes a bit of hand crafted assembly language code. |
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| 17:39.19 | Bagheera | which is fun to edit, got a little carried away one day and editting a little too much on my 1+ |
| 17:39.43 | Bagheera | those were the days |
| 17:40.39 | TyroneFHornigh | Bags, it's just another machine ;) |
| 17:40.40 | tapo^wk | imagine you want to place a pyramid made of boxes: what would you like to define? center x/y/z, rotation, height, num_steps ? or start point, end point, width, height, num_steps? or ... ? |
| 17:40.55 | tapo^wk | *puzzled* |
| 17:41.51 | Bagheera | hmmm ok IMHO on the pyramid things |
| 17:42.08 | Bagheera | 1. overall height, overall width |
| 17:42.20 | Bagheera | 2. step height, step width |
| 17:42.40 | Bagheera | of course you can calculate one from the other i guess |
| 17:42.41 | Patlabor221 | 3. number of fish |
| 17:43.06 | TyroneFHornigh | ~fishslap Patlabor221 |
| 17:43.09 | | ACTION slaps Patlabor221 up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 17:43.09 | tapo^wk | yea, the fish. forgot that. |
| 17:43.09 | Bagheera | 3a. x/y/z, rotation |
| 17:43.42 | Bagheera | ooooooo |
| 17:44.03 | Bagheera | probably would like to be able to switch between 1/2 |
| 17:44.09 | tapo^wk | I'll implement all pyramid variants... :) |
| 17:44.22 | Bagheera | 4. starting step height of first step |
| 17:45.28 | tapo^wk | all step heights are the same. damn. I know a map where that's not true... |
| 17:46.25 | Bagheera | yep, how about defining each step as you go along.....like, insert step height 1.etc |
| 17:47.37 | tapo^wk | lets rewrite the class... :-) |
| 17:48.19 | tapo^wk | and every variant can be transposed into the other... |
| 17:50.22 | Patlabor221 | step height is a good thing to have, since gravity is variable |
| 17:51.47 | |tim| | gots to go |
| 17:51.50 | |tim| | bye all |
| 17:53.06 | tapo^wk | step_height can be (height - start_height) / num_steps. I believe in that... :) |
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| 17:53.51 | tapo^wk | this is software no one needs.... :-) |
| 17:54.19 | Bagheera | but you seem to find it so interesting....... ;) |
| 17:54.36 | Patlabor221 | you shuld add it to bzedit |
| 17:55.50 | Bagheera | hey, there you go..... |
| 17:56.15 | Bagheera | bzedit could use some updates........ |
| 17:57.29 | Bagheera | the guy who originally created it did a great job, but he has been trying to have a life lately, and some of the 1.9 edits need to be added |
| 17:57.38 | Bagheera | :) |
| 18:03.03 | Spiff | Who gave him the right to have a life? ;) |
| 18:03.43 | TyroneFHornigh | Spiff, get back to programming C++. ;) |
| 18:03.52 | Bagheera | not sure, but then again we are still trying to revoke this.....hmmm...Spaceman Spiff....guy |
| 18:04.23 | Spiff | B.. bu.. but... I just finished eating! |
| 18:04.24 | Spiff | Hehehe. :) |
| 18:04.44 | Spiff | Revoke??? Spiffy doesn't get it. |
| 18:05.07 | Spiff | Hmm |
| 18:05.07 | TyroneFHornigh | You're allowed to make obnoxious comments after contributing something. ;) |
| 18:05.29 | Spiff | So *that* is your secret! Aha! |
| 18:05.31 | Bagheera | so whats learners excuse? ;) |
| 18:05.35 | TyroneFHornigh | And bzfs does not need to print out "Hello World" ;) |
| 18:05.57 | TyroneFHornigh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.59 | Spiff | Oh? What a shame... everyone could use a good Hello World... ;) |
| 18:06.32 | learner | fraggle or fragile? |
| 18:06.50 | Patlabor221 | isn't that french for "throw" ? |
| 18:07.15 | TyroneFHornigh | What's the ibot command for translation? |
| 18:08.26 | TyroneFHornigh | ~translate fr en fraggle |
| 18:08.43 | TyroneFHornigh | ~translate en fr throw |
| 18:08.51 | TyroneFHornigh | ;) |
| 18:09.26 | TyroneFHornigh | ~translate en fr fraggle rock |
| 18:09.53 | Spiff | Hmm. |
| 18:10.00 | Spiff | ~translate en tiamo |
| 18:10.06 | TyroneFHornigh | Get back to coding ;) |
| 18:10.13 | Spiff | Figures. Does he not speak Italian? |
| 18:10.19 | Spiff | Err.. she. |
| 18:10.36 | TyroneFHornigh | You need to tell her to translate into Italiano. |
| 18:11.41 | Spiff | Tiamo *is* Italian.. so she doesn't translate it to English? |
| 18:11.57 | Patlabor221 | ~x en it Hello |
| 18:12.14 | TyroneFHornigh | Spiff: Don't tell me, tell ibot. |
| 18:12.23 | Spiff | ~x it en tiamo |
| 18:12.24 | Spiff | ? |
| 18:12.31 | Spiff | Hmm. |
| 18:12.41 | Spiff | My thinking process must be flawed. |
| 18:13.08 | Bagheera | and finally recognition, that only took 4 years |
| 18:13.15 | TyroneFHornigh | This is part of coding, wiring the thinking process. Computers are stupid. Be smarter than the machine. |
| 18:14.00 | Patlabor221 | they only do what you tell them |
| 18:14.06 | Patlabor221 | EXACTLY what you tell them |
| 18:14.17 | TyroneFHornigh | That's the important word. |
| 18:15.48 | Spiff | Okay... so my logic says that, in Patlabor's statement, x= translate, en= language translated from, and it= language translated to. Am I even close? |
| 18:16.02 | TyroneFHornigh | So far so good. |
| 18:16.04 | Patlabor221 | test and see |
| 18:16.26 | Spiff | ~x en it goodbye |
| 18:16.40 | TyroneFHornigh | Remember that ibot will not necessarily see input the same way you do. |
| 18:16.47 | Patlabor221 | ~x en it bust the mutha out! |
| 18:17.05 | TyroneFHornigh | ~x en it Zen enlightenment |
| 18:17.08 | Spiff | So wouldn't ~x it en should translate to English? |
| 18:17.15 | Patlabor221 | yes it would |
| 18:17.17 | Spiff | Pff.. shouldn't ^ |
| 18:17.25 | Spiff | ~x it en povero assino |
| 18:17.28 | Patlabor221 | ~x it en 01Chiarimento di Zen |
| 18:17.33 | Spiff | Tsk, tsk. |
| 18:17.38 | Spiff | She can't even spell donkey. :) |
| 18:17.54 | TyroneFHornigh | ~x en it donkey |
| 18:18.00 | Patlabor221 | dude, it's just a script, don't get all upidty and "tisk" it |
| 18:18.03 | Spiff | Ahh. *I* can't. :) |
| 18:18.14 | TyroneFHornigh | Or she has it wrong. ;) |
| 18:18.23 | Patlabor221 | it's just a database |
| 18:18.26 | Spiff | That's possible as well. |
| 18:18.35 | Spiff | It's been a couple of years since I read Italian. |
| 18:19.11 | TyroneFHornigh | ~x it en povero asino |
| 18:19.25 | Spiff | LoL |
| 18:19.45 | Spiff | That's from a story in one of my old books.. about a donkey, a boy, and a man. |
| 18:19.49 | TyroneFHornigh | she'll do anything you want, once you know how to ask. |
| 18:19.55 | TyroneFHornigh | ibot sucks |
| 18:19.56 | | If you got $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 18:20.27 | Spiff | They ride the donkey.. but people tell them that they're cruel for that. So they get off and lead it.. and people say they're cruel for making it walk. So they end up carrying it... :) |
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| 18:22.17 | Bagheera | iTunes for windows...hmm, looks neat |
| 18:23.15 | Spiff | It is asino.. :) |
| 18:23.18 | Spiff | ~botsnack |
| 18:23.18 | | Spiff: thanks |
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| 18:26.37 | Tupone | TimRiker: still want joystick? |
| 18:28.02 | Tupone | TimRiker: SDL based |
| 18:28.41 | Spiff | ~x it en L'aeroporto e grande! |
| 18:29.03 | Tupone | which airport? |
| 18:29.03 | Spiff | Erm.. sorry ibot.. not sure how to do that kinda e. |
| 18:29.25 | Spiff | Hehe.. I'm just going through a mental list of Italian phraises. :) |
| 18:29.48 | Tupone | e => e' |
| 18:29.48 | Spiff | ~x it Il dottore e Americano |
| 18:30.00 | Spiff | Whoops. |
| 18:30.06 | Spiff | ~x it en Il dottore e Americano |
| 18:30.15 | Spiff | ~x it en Il dottore e' Americano |
| 18:30.30 | Tupone | accent over e |
| 18:30.35 | Spiff | I'm lookin' for an e with a diarrasis mark. |
| 18:30.40 | Spiff | Not sure how to make one though. |
| 18:30.55 | Tupone | è |
| 18:31.03 | Tupone | Character Chart |
| 18:31.32 | Spiff | What is CTCP? |
| 18:31.41 | Tupone | Windows -> Character Chart ... |
| 18:31.48 | Tupone | I see your client |
| 18:31.59 | Spiff | Ohhh. Ic Ic. |
| 18:33.21 | Spiff | ~x it en Il dottore è Americano |
| 18:33.30 | Spiff | LoL |
| 18:33.32 | Spiff | Oh well. :) |
| 18:37.52 | Tupone | ~x en it The doctor is American |
| 18:38.40 | Spiff | Hmm... quite odd. All of my books use è. :| |
| 18:41.31 | Bagheera | ...ibot is silician |
| 18:41.54 | Spiff | ~dict silician |
| 18:42.06 | Spiff | ~dict Sicilian |
| 18:42.21 | Bagheera | figures i blow the spelling |
| 18:42.45 | Spiff | ibot blows as well. No worries. |
| 18:42.47 | | Spiff: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:42.53 | Spiff | ;) |
| 18:42.54 | TyroneFHornigh | ;) |
| 18:43.09 | Bagheera | ...basically, dont tick off ibot, or you will end up with a dead horse in your bed |
| 18:45.22 | Spiff | Ahh.. severed horse heads in your bed. Don't mess with mia famiglia! ;) |
| 18:48.00 | Spiff | Does anyone here have an idea of how to *pronounce* cout? |
| 18:48.39 | Tupone | I suppose c-out !? |
| 18:49.28 | Spiff | It *looks* like it would be pronounced "kout," but I could be wrong. |
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| 18:49.56 | TyroneFHornigh | I usually hear it like Tupone. |
| 18:50.19 | Spiff | So, do you mean all one or like see-out? |
| 18:50.31 | Spiff | all one word ^ |
| 18:51.16 | tapo^wk | next step in my project is to code a graphical editor.... !? I think I am going home... 20:51 local time... hungry. |
| 18:51.21 | Bagheera | God dag |
| 18:51.34 | Spiff | Hehehe tapo. :) |
| 18:52.58 | tapo^wk | damn, I've git a new idea... hell :-) |
| 18:53.04 | tapo^wk | git/got |
| 18:53.32 | tapo^wk | two ideas. |
| 18:53.36 | Spiff | Something wrong, Bagheera? |
| 18:54.14 | GreyTop | ...have to change my nick every 2 hours to catch up to learner |
| 18:54.37 | GreyTop | should be there by 2007 |
| 18:54.44 | Spiff | Ohhhhh. :) |
| 18:58.59 | TyroneFHornigh | Bags has knocked spiff out of the top 5 ;) |
| 18:59.29 | Spiff | Top five what? *confused* |
| 19:02.04 | TyroneFHornigh | Enlightenment will come to those who work hard. ;) |
| 19:03.15 | Spiff | ;) |
| 19:04.52 | Spiff | Erm..... I'm in 7th...? I don't get it. LoL |
| 19:05.07 | FozzyDaBear | God dag, quol |
| 19:05.24 | Spiff | First off.. I didn't know there was such a thing. Second.. how can I be bumped out of 5th by Bags if he's in 13th? |
| 19:06.55 | Quol | what is the God Dag? |
| 19:07.01 | Quol | Good day? |
| 19:07.27 | ConfuseUs | I believe it's Dutch. |
| 19:07.39 | ConfuseUs | ~x en du good day |
| 19:07.56 | Spiff | ~x du en God dag |
| 19:08.10 | Spiff | ibot? |
| 19:08.16 | ConfuseUs | I managed to confuse ibot as well ;) |
| 19:08.24 | ConfuseUs | ~hi |
| 19:08.26 | FozzyDaBear | ~x da en God dag |
| 19:08.59 | FozzyDaBear | dang, and I really didnt want a dead horse in my bed |
| 19:09.14 | ConfuseUs | Either ibot is working very hard on that first translation, or we're about to lose her. |
| 19:09.22 | Spiff | Poor Bag... err.. Bags. :). |
| 19:09.34 | Spiff | No, ibot! Don't go! |
| 19:09.36 | Spiff | ;) |
| 19:10.38 | Spiff | Bagheera *is* a panther.. maybe he lives in a stable. :) |
| 19:10.45 | tapo^wk | bye for now. maybe we'll see us in a match... "norfil" is my name... |
| 19:10.57 | Spiff | C-ya tapo. |
| 19:10.58 | ConfuseUs | bye |
| 19:11.10 | FozzyDaBear | guten abend |
| 19:11.10 | *** part/#bzflag tapo^wk (~tjabo@p50928695.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:12.45 | Spiff | Okies.. stupid question... |
| 19:12.56 | FozzyDaBear | we expect nothing less from you spiff |
| 19:13.17 | Spiff | Whilst learning this stuff, should I make a concentrated effort to memorize everything? Or should I just reference back to it later on when I'm stuck and don't know how to do things? |
| 19:13.50 | FozzyDaBear | such knowledge only comes through application, suggest you run more examples |
| 19:14.02 | Tupone | What are you reading? |
| 19:14.11 | Spiff | C++ tutorials. :) |
| 19:14.12 | ConfuseUs | Memorize what you can, but plan on referencing back. The memorization will come easier once you've done more programming. |
| 19:14.23 | Spiff | Hmm.. okies. :) |
| 19:14.58 | ConfuseUs | She's alive, just being quiet. |
| 19:14.59 | FozzyDaBear | that wasnt very thematic confuseus |
| 19:15.00 | Spiff | From my tutorial- I'm not sure how that confusion creeps into your program, but it always does. |
| 19:15.03 | Spiff | That's depressing. |
| 19:15.15 | Spiff | :) |
| 19:15.42 | ConfuseUs | FozzyDaBear: That should make it more confusing. ;) |
| 19:16.01 | Spiff | Though that statement is being used as inscentive to use comment lines. Which is probabily good. |
| 19:16.35 | ConfuseUs | Remember to keep comments updated. |
| 19:17.23 | Quol | I have a linux question - anyone here a linux Guru?? |
| 19:17.36 | Spiff | Which comment is generally more used? // or /*? |
| 19:17.46 | Tupone | Quol: thats depend on the question |
| 19:17.51 | ConfuseUs | It depends if it's Linux specific or more generic Unix. |
| 19:18.05 | Quol | Linux (RedHat) RPM question |
| 19:18.10 | FozzyDaBear | ok, shoot |
| 19:18.17 | Quol | ok - you ready for this one... |
| 19:18.23 | Tupone | Spiff: I prefer // |
| 19:18.29 | ConfuseUs | Spiff: /* is typically more C-style comments. // is often used for C++ |
| 19:18.42 | Spiff | Ahh.. I shall stick with // then. :) |
| 19:18.44 | Quol | I tried to update my glibc through RPM, and now I get a segmentation fault everytime I try to apply any RPM's |
| 19:19.12 | FozzyDaBear | how about uninstall? |
| 19:19.13 | Quol | I made a mistake and applied redhat 9 RPM's to RedHat 8 box |
| 19:19.20 | Quol | segfault on uninstall |
| 19:19.43 | ConfuseUs | That's probably more generic Unix, since I would guess that the rpm program depends on glibc. It is now loading a library which it can't handle, and you're mostly hosed. |
| 19:20.08 | Tupone | try with the rescue |
| 19:20.13 | ConfuseUs | You might be able to fix it by hand if you are certain of the libraries. |
| 19:20.48 | ConfuseUs | Most major programs are going to depend on glibc, and will probably get a segmentation fault. |
| 19:21.12 | ConfuseUs | Booting into single user mode with an install/fixit CD could work. |
| 19:21.33 | ConfuseUs | The standalone programs won't depend on the shared library. |
| 19:21.51 | Tupone | if not, probably rescue will use its own version of glibc, and allow to replace |
| 19:22.41 | FozzyDaBear | libglib-1.2.so.0 |
| 19:22.41 | FozzyDaBear | libgmodule-1.2.so.0 |
| 19:22.41 | FozzyDaBear | libgthread-1.2.so.0 |
| 19:22.41 | FozzyDaBear | glib = 1:1.2.10-8 |
| 19:22.56 | FozzyDaBear | rpm -q --provides glib |
| 19:23.23 | FozzyDaBear | /sbin/ldconfig |
| 19:23.23 | FozzyDaBear | rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 |
| 19:23.23 | FozzyDaBear | rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 |
| 19:23.23 | FozzyDaBear | libc.so.6 |
| 19:23.23 | FozzyDaBear | libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0) |
| 19:23.24 | Tupone | rpm -q --provides glibc |
| 19:23.27 | FozzyDaBear | libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1.2) |
| 19:23.30 | FozzyDaBear | libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1.3) |
| 19:23.34 | FozzyDaBear | libdl.so.2 |
| 19:23.36 | FozzyDaBear | libdl.so.2(GLIBC_2.0) |
| 19:23.38 | FozzyDaBear | libdl.so.2(GLIBC_2.1) |
| 19:23.39 | FozzyDaBear | libpthread.so.0 |
| 19:23.41 | FozzyDaBear | libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.0) |
| 19:23.54 | FozzyDaBear | ....that is one whole lot of stuff....scrolled off the page |
| 19:23.55 | Quol | so you suggest booting to single user mode and trying to update it that way? |
| 19:24.14 | ConfuseUs | I would guess that's your best possibility. |
| 19:24.22 | Quol | ugh |
| 19:24.23 | Quol | OK |
| 19:24.37 | Quol | what a hastle - thanks, will try it out |
| 19:24.53 | Tupone | boot single user with RedHat CD, try to let it mount all of your file system, and then .. |
| 19:24.53 | Quol | all this because I wanted the latest mySQL |
| 19:25.15 | Quol | with the thread-safe library so I could use RTG (ir try it out at least) |
| 19:26.04 | FozzyDaBear | been there quol, have a nice couple of days |
| 19:26.21 | Quol | lol FozzyDaBear |
| 19:26.34 | Quol | it won't take me that long to re-install it FozzyDaBear |
| 19:27.18 | ConfuseUs | Good luck, we've all done that at one point. It's a pain, but not more than 1/2 days worth of pain. |
| 19:28.09 | Quol | OK - I will try it out - thanks for the tips... |
| 19:28.41 | FozzyDaBear | your welcome, quol of the north country |
| 19:36.32 | Tutorialboy | Oh wow.. I can write things like "Spaceman Spiff is a C++ programmer" to my screen too. How impressive! |
| 19:41.30 | Tupone | Tutorialboy: the real things that like // more that /* is that the first is just for a single line. If you get an unwanted /* on the code you jump to the next comment jumping really big chunk of code. And you'll be mad finding that. |
| 19:42.08 | ConfuseUs | And for those old fogeys around here who like having block comments, you just have to tolerate us. ;) |
| 19:42.13 | Patlabor221 | _ // roxorz |
| 19:42.37 | Tutorialboy | Yepperz... /* and */.. I can see where that would get in the way. |
| 19:43.11 | Tupone | If you forget that */ ???? |
| 19:43.11 | ConfuseUs | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.33 | Patlabor221 | that is why you use an editor that knows your language |
| 19:43.34 | Tutorialboy | Yes.. LoL. |
| 19:43.41 | Patlabor221 | context coloring is the only way to go\ |
| 19:43.58 | ConfuseUs | And /* is a comment at the beginning of an x-chat line as well ;) |
| 19:43.59 | FozzyDaBear | dont forget the easy to add and remove 100s of lines of code with <10 keystrokes in VI |
| 19:44.21 | ConfuseUs | #if 0 .... #endif |
| 19:44.59 | Patlabor221 | yeah, just like visual studio's class wizzard and app macros :) |
| 19:46.02 | Tupone | I still use vt100 sometimes, so no visual editor at all. I change from eve, lse, vi, emacs ... |
| 19:49.03 | Tupone | ~seen TimRiker |
| 19:49.04 | | timriker is currently on #elinux (3h 56m 36s) #openembedded (3h 56m 36s) #bzflag (3h 56m 36s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 25m 33s |
| 19:51.37 | Tutorialboy | ~seen Spiff |
| 19:51.38 | | spiff <~Spiff@12-223-213-142.client.insightbb.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 32m 56s ago, saying: 'Ahh.. I shall stick with // then. :)'. |
| 19:51.50 | Tutorialboy | Oh.. oops. |
| 19:52.40 | Tupone | I would like to commit SDL joystick support, I see Tim request for Window joystick, don't know if he like SDL (?) |
| 19:54.13 | TimRiker | Tupone: lib dependancies will be new and need to be tested on different platforms for that. yes? |
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| 19:55.29 | Tupone | Yeah, for now it is under configure switch, so if you not configure sdl is not used, no library dependent |
| 19:55.55 | TimRiker | what if you configure and use the switch and it's not found? |
| 19:57.51 | Tupone | the switch is unconfigure by default. I have not tryed, but I'm using macro from SDL kit to find that. contd |
| 19:58.11 | Tupone | Probably joystick is not found and is not used |
| 20:00.37 | Tupone | It work on Linux, don't know on Windows (I tryed it long time ago on Windows and it worked, but with 1.7 and hence different code) |
| 20:00.58 | Tupone | but should work |
| 20:02.12 | Tupone | SDL use is limited to joystick |
| 20:04.57 | Tupone | These are not big changes, we can go back if it really hurt. |
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| 20:09.18 | TimRiker | Tupone: idea sounds good. I'm concerned that it might have build issues and we are trying to get a release out. |
| 20:09.25 | TimRiker | a patch on SF might be a better idea? |
| 20:10.37 | Tupone | I can put there, but I know, nobody will use then |
| 20:11.10 | Tupone | If it is for testing on windows or on other platform , before putting in cvs ... |
| 20:11.47 | Tupone | could be okay |
| 20:16.13 | TimRiker | different topic... are the rpm and windows builds setup to include bzadmin? I'm working on the debian builds now. |
| 20:22.09 | Patlabor221 | does bzadmin even work on windows? I didn't see any DSPs or DSWs for it |
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| 20:44.23 | TimRiker | saw a post that it might with the right libs. the stdin/stdout should work without. |
| 20:45.24 | Patlabor221 | noone has made any projects for it, so the simple answer is no |
| 20:46.37 | TimRiker | probably a Good Thing to do soon. |
| 20:47.03 | Patlabor221 | pop it on the todo, mac lives for stuff like that :) |
| 20:47.09 | TimRiker | k |
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| 21:01.52 | Big_Barrel | QUOL???? |
| 21:01.55 | Big_Barrel | r u there? |
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| 21:20.10 | [dmp] | Hi swedish :) |
| 21:20.49 | david_v | weird. nobody greets me ;) |
| 21:22.56 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 21:26.51 | learner | howdy [dmp] |
| 21:26.59 | learner | hast thou read thy messages? |
| 21:30.26 | [dmp] | learner: yep |
| 21:31.54 | [dmp] | learner: Funny you wrote that note. I was thinking about shutting the ladder down. |
| 21:32.08 | learner | heh |
| 21:32.17 | learner | well.. this'd be an "easy out" :) |
| 21:32.29 | [dmp] | yep |
| 21:33.24 | [dmp] | But why are you interested in the ladder? Need to get a better score? :) |
| 21:33.35 | learner | Basically, for now I am curious how it's all set up |
| 21:33.39 | learner | hehe, no |
| 21:34.07 | learner | I'm visioning a new bzflag.org that is inclusive of all the coolities around |
| 21:34.14 | learner | your ladder is definately one of them |
| 21:36.02 | [dmp] | The setup: bzfquery.pl have been modified to store the data it gets into a database. A cron/perl scripts runs each minite to determind if it wants to collect data (eg; ffa isnt polled for data as often as ctf.. A server that is down isnt polled as often as ffa or ctf.. that kinda of stuff) |
| 21:36.15 | [dmp] | this data is stored in some input-tables |
| 21:36.51 | [dmp] | then the other scripts begins (kr-calc,ctf-calc,duration-calc,user-update,ladder-generation) |
| 21:37.08 | [dmp] | the result of these scripts are stored in new tables. |
| 21:37.27 | [dmp] | these tables are what you see on the website (more or less) |
| 21:38.07 | learner | "this data is stored in some input-tables" .. explain? |
| 21:38.13 | learner | tables == sql tables? |
| 21:38.18 | [dmp] | yep |
| 21:38.34 | learner | using a perl sql hook |
| 21:38.58 | learner | i.e. via perl and not some external app/lib |
| 21:39.04 | [dmp] | via perl, yes |
| 21:39.34 | learner | the other scripts are cron jobs that run in sync or periodically? |
| 21:39.57 | [dmp] | periodically |
| 21:40.18 | TyroneFHornigh | Actually, I've been looking at the duration ladder recently to determine if some of our players have dropped out of the game. |
| 21:41.19 | learner | Do you know how much bandwidth you are pushing and pulling per server connection? |
| 21:41.46 | [dmp] | learner: http://daisy.baat.dk/cron.txt :-) |
| 21:42.33 | [dmp] | learner: no i dont. dont know how to measure it. But i cant feel it. (got 256/256 dsl) |
| 21:44.11 | learner | I assume DJSaw is unrelated :) |
| 21:45.20 | [dmp] | yep :) |
| 21:45.46 | [dmp] | He runs a webhotel, and like to know when it isnt reachable. |
| 21:46.08 | learner | well, i'd assume you're outbound is trivially small since it's just a connection and query request. The inbound should be linearly related to how much you are storing in the sql database |
| 21:46.26 | [dmp] | the 3 at the top is unrelated too |
| 21:46.34 | learner | how fast does your sql server store grow? |
| 21:47.35 | [dmp] | 6,632,205 rows 543.6 MB (approx 50% is indexes) since 2003-01-21 18:02:27 |
| 21:48.58 | learner | how many rows are generated per connection? |
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| 21:50.05 | Carnage | hi |
| 21:50.50 | [dmp] | learner: 2 for each try + number of players + number of teams + an update |
| 21:51.52 | learner | number of players? so there is a row for every player on a server per query |
| 21:52.05 | [dmp] | yep |
| 21:52.23 | [dmp] | If you like, I can tell you which color you prefer when playing :-) |
| 21:52.32 | learner | lol |
| 21:52.38 | learner | sure :) |
| 21:54.19 | learner | Do you count observers at all? |
| 21:54.23 | [dmp] | I skipp all observers |
| 21:54.29 | [dmp] | heh, no :) |
| 21:55.22 | learner | can I get a distribution of how many rows go with which servers? |
| 21:55.49 | learner | to at least account for 90% of the rows |
| 21:59.51 | [dmp] | you play as green 49.90% :) |
| 22:00.01 | StargateSG1 | Glad to see I'm biased :) |
| 22:01.39 | jolly | lol wow :) |
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| 22:02.43 | [dmp] | StargateSG1: You want 90% of the incomming rows, or the total rows? |
| 22:03.21 | jolly | hey bzg |
| 22:03.28 | bzgirl | ah, jolly :) |
| 22:03.31 | StargateSG1 | I want a count of N rows belong to server X, M rows to server Y, etc |
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| 22:04.35 | StargateSG1 | with the row counts, I can use the average player counts for those servers and figure out how much data you are pulling per connection |
| 22:05.33 | Tupone | hi bzg |
| 22:05.39 | [dmp] | StargateSG1: Will look into it, might take a while |
| 22:05.44 | bzgirl | hi Tupone |
| 22:06.09 | StargateSG1 | stats |
| 22:06.14 | StargateSG1 | ~stats |
| 22:06.15 | | Since Wed Oct 15 19:58:52 2003, there have been 28 modifications, 168 questions, 108 dunnos, 0 morons and 200 commands. I have been awake for 2d 2h 7m 22s this session, and currently reference 85443 factoids. I'm using about 15432 kB of memory. |
| 22:06.28 | StargateSG1 | 0 morons? I think not. |
| 22:06.47 | Patlabor221 | surely there must be an error |
| 22:06.54 | Patlabor221 | I count 9 |
| 22:07.32 | TimRiker | ibot gets confused when you tell him very long lines of text that he has no idea how to handle and then calls you a moron and add you to the count. |
| 22:07.34 | | You are moron #1, TimRiker |
| 22:07.46 | TimRiker | ~stats |
| 22:07.47 | | Since Wed Oct 15 19:58:52 2003, there have been 28 modifications, 168 questions, 108 dunnos, 1 moron and 200 commands. I have been awake for 2d 2h 8m 54s this session, and currently reference 85443 factoids. I'm using about 15432 kB of memory. |
| 22:07.48 | Patlabor221 | now that was funny |
| 22:07.55 | TimRiker | me grins |
| 22:08.03 | Patlabor221 | and that was funnyer |
| 22:08.03 | StargateSG1 | hehe |
| 22:08.46 | TimRiker | nok, so I mond fry from time to time. sometimes I think I'm in bzflag when I'm not. |
| 22:08.55 | TimRiker | s/mond/mind/ |
| 22:09.11 | StargateSG1 | yep, his mond is fried |
| 22:09.33 | TimRiker | a mond is a terrible thing to waste |
| 22:09.48 | TimRiker | ~spell terrible |
| 22:09.49 | | 'terrible' may be spelled correctly |
| 22:09.56 | Patlabor221 | I lost mine :( |
| 22:09.57 | TimRiker | hmm |
| 22:10.02 | TimRiker | ~dist terrible |
| 22:10.05 | TimRiker | ~dict terrible |
| 22:10.07 | TimRiker | sheesh |
| 22:11.23 | TyroneFHornigh | TimRiker: Do you have a cold in your fingers? |
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| 22:16.09 | bzfrank | hi |
| 22:16.14 | bzgirl | hi frank |
| 22:16.23 | StargateSG1 | howdy again frank |
| 22:16.55 | TyroneFHornigh | Hey frank, you've gotten me hooked on Baen ;) |
| 22:17.05 | bzfrank | hehe :) |
| 22:17.13 | bzfrank | nice library! |
| 22:19.46 | purple_cow | Baen? |
| 22:20.24 | bzfrank | www.baen.com they provide free SF books online |
| 22:20.41 | bzfrank | no DRM stuff, plain HTML, RTF, etc. |
| 22:21.31 | purple_cow | interesting |
| 22:21.51 | purple_cow | hmm, it would appear that rtsp support in xine is lacking |
| 22:22.03 | TyroneFHornigh | Read the introduction to the Baen library by Eric Flint. I like their attitude. |
| 22:22.49 | Tupone | TimRiker: SDL based joystick support is on SF tracker (685599) |
| 22:22.51 | bzfrank | Yes, they understand. Much more than the RIAA |
| 22:23.06 | purple_cow | and nobody supports xdma :( |
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| 22:24.22 | learner | howdy lars |
| 22:24.30 | larsl | Hello. |
| 22:24.33 | bzfrank | anyone actually playing bzflag with joystick? ;) |
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| 22:26.14 | bzfrank | Tupone: isnt that too slow? |
| 22:26.44 | TimRiker | Tupone: cool. |
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| 22:26.52 | Tupone | why that? (however my rank is low) |
| 22:27.59 | bzfrank | because nobody plays e.g. Quake or CS with joystick... at least noone I know |
| 22:28.19 | purple_cow | now if we had -two- joysticks... ;) |
| 22:28.22 | Patlabor221 | A number of people use a gamepad |
| 22:28.25 | learner | people are always surprised to find out I play bz with the keys :) |
| 22:28.25 | Patlabor221 | and the mouse |
| 22:28.30 | Patlabor221 | to get analog movement |
| 22:28.35 | Tupone | Surely I save my whrist with that |
| 22:28.41 | bzfrank | this is not to belittle your efforts, I only ask why a joystick should be better than the mouse |
| 22:28.58 | Patlabor221 | more buttons !!!!! :) |
| 22:29.16 | Tupone | For my sanity (mental & physical) |
| 22:30.23 | Patlabor221 | http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/steelbattcontrollein1r.jpg |
| 22:30.28 | Patlabor221 | how bout that? |
| 22:30.39 | bzfrank | pat: what needs bzflag MORE buttons for? ;) |
| 22:30.50 | Patlabor221 | so you can make coffie with your pinky |
| 22:31.23 | learner | [dmp]: ping |
| 22:31.27 | bzfrank | ok, I also have a thrustmaster joystick but that is reserved for Falcon and FS where it makes much sense |
| 22:31.35 | larsl | Some people seem to have one button mapped to 'n**** *** *******!!!' |
| 22:32.34 | bzfrank | some people have no life |
| 22:32.53 | TyroneFHornigh | rotflmao |
| 22:33.42 | larsl | It's getting late here. |
| 22:34.33 | [dmp] | learner: pong |
| 22:35.10 | learner | if you haven't started sqling server stats, I might have a way around it |
| 22:35.53 | [dmp] | http://ladder.bzflag.org/new/stats.php |
| 22:36.03 | [dmp] | its ugly, but shows some numbers. |
| 22:36.47 | learner | ah, cool :) |
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| 22:37.07 | learner | ah, perfect |
| 22:37.10 | learner | thanks dmp |
| 22:37.14 | learner | =) |
| 22:37.29 | Sniper50 | howdy anyone seen Calico here? |
| 22:37.37 | [dmp] | learner: it isnt finished. |
| 22:37.44 | [dmp] | learner: more like 40% done |
| 22:37.55 | TheCat | hey all |
| 22:38.01 | [dmp] | learner: nah. 60% :)= |
| 22:38.10 | TC | OK |
| 22:38.16 | TC | hi |
| 22:38.17 | TC | all |
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| 22:38.23 | [dmp] | hi TC |
| 22:39.16 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 22:39.18 | TC | hey |
| 22:39.21 | TC | anyone know |
| 22:39.25 | TC | hopw I coudl contact ski? |
| 22:39.29 | [dmp] | this code dosnt really do anything, except show data :) |
| 22:39.32 | [dmp] | at bzbb |
| 22:39.47 | [dmp] | TC: at bzbb.bzflag.org or bzflag.org/league |
| 22:39.55 | TyroneFHornigh | ebay, or paypal? |
| 22:40.16 | [dmp] | TC: or ajplunkett@verizon.net |
| 22:40.34 | TC | thnx |
| 22:40.34 | Patlabor221 | somone sending spam saying predenteing to be ebay |
| 22:40.42 | bzfrank | ebay email (except receipts for my bids) are autorouted to /dev/spam here |
| 22:40.45 | Patlabor221 | saying that your info needs updating |
| 22:41.03 | Patlabor221 | the link "Looks" like a link to ebay |
| 22:41.06 | TyroneFHornigh | There's one like that from paypal, it directs you to a URL which looks like paypal's site |
| 22:41.12 | Patlabor221 | but goes to a site in koria |
| 22:41.16 | TyroneFHornigh | Sounds like the same scam. |
| 22:41.18 | Patlabor221 | that asks for your ATIM card and pin |
| 22:41.25 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:41.30 | TyroneFHornigh | Yeah....... |
| 22:42.01 | Patlabor221 | are humans that stupid to fall for that? |
| 22:42.03 | bzfrank | but on the first look it looks genuine, that is the real killer for most mere users |
| 22:42.10 | purple_cow | Patlabor221: human beings are frighteningly stupid |
| 22:42.19 | Patlabor221 | tha they are |
| 22:42.43 | learner | [dmp]: can you add an id -> server name lookup table? :) |
| 22:42.50 | [dmp] | learner: Getting there, now i just need the ladders themself. |
| 22:42.57 | bzfrank | only if you look at the URL you notice the discrepancy (Also ebay and paypal never asks for your ATM numbers) |
| 22:43.11 | [dmp] | learner: sure, coming up :) |
| 22:44.39 | bzfrank | cu |
| 22:44.43 | TyroneFHornigh | I've received several spams like that. Usually the from address looks wrong, and it's almost always directed to the wrong email address. |
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| 22:48.50 | TC | hey |
| 22:49.38 | [dmp] | learner: 5 tables left :) |
| 22:51.07 | learner | coo |
| 22:51.46 | purple_cow | hmm, 5 minutes until i can go home |
| 22:52.03 | purple_cow | at which point i get to work on de-exploding our interweb connection :( |
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| 23:02.36 | Carnage | hey quol |
| 23:02.43 | TC | hey |
| 23:02.48 | Quol | hey carnage - what's up.. |
| 23:02.51 | Carnage | guys lets match team usa |
| 23:02.56 | TC | where'd you go? |
| 23:03.08 | Carnage | talking to bb |
| 23:03.18 | TC | umm |
| 23:03.19 | TC | where ; ) |
| 23:03.29 | TC | @ 5999 Duc? |
| 23:03.32 | Carnage | wait, quol can u play |
| 23:03.33 | [dmp] | learner: there you go |
| 23:03.34 | TC | taking it that game is over |
| 23:03.46 | Carnage | its not official |
| 23:04.37 | Carnage | were quol go |
| 23:04.40 | Carnage | nvm |
| 23:04.58 | [dmp] | learner: if you need me to re-arrange the data, let me know. |
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| 23:57.08 | Big_Barrel | quol r u there? |
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| 23:59.05 | MrApathyCream | Go Tim Go! |
| 23:59.19 | learner | heh :) |
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