irclog2html for #bzflag on 20031114

`00:22.37`	`CIA`	`03atupone * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Hit detection on pyramids fixed`
`00:38.38`	`*** join/#bzflag jolly (~hjjj@jvnineteen.ne.client2.attbi.com)`
`00:38.51`	`orchid`	`hi j`
`00:39.00`	`jolly`	`hey ang :)`
`00:43.06`	`*** join/#bzflag sn0w_d0ggy (~gig1992@adsl-68-73-87-15.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)`
`00:43.14`	`sn0w_d0ggy`	`Hi all`
`00:43.18`	`orchid`	`hi merry`
`00:43.18`	`sn0w_d0ggy`	`~seen bzg`
`00:43.19`		`sn0w_d0ggy: i haven't seen 'bzg'`
`00:43.26`	`sn0w_d0ggy`	`~seen bzgirl`
`00:43.27`		`sn0w_d0ggy: i haven't seen 'bzgirl'`
`00:43.33`	`orchid`	`heh`
`00:43.33`	`sn0w_d0ggy`	`~seen boo`
`00:43.34`		`boo <~zerocommm@12-215-45-76.client.mchsi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 252d 21h 11m 30s ago, saying: 'sup'.`
`00:43.45`	`sn0w_d0ggy`	`hi orchid`
`00:44.38`	`sn0w_d0ggy`	`~seen orchid`
`00:44.38`		`orchid is currently on #project24 (1h 45m 40s) #bzflag (1h 45m 40s). Has said a total of 33 messages. Is idling for 1m 5s`
`00:44.41`	`sn0w_d0ggy`	`hehehe`
`00:46.49`	`*** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-97-250.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)`
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`02:18.47`	`Carnage`	`welcome home`
`02:18.54`	`learner`	`howdy carny`
`02:19.47`	`Carnage`	`hi`
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`02:37.48`	`orchid`	`!debian version php`
`02:37.50`	`Guu`	`orchid: No package found for php (all)`
`02:39.29`	`orchid`	`!debian version php3`
`02:39.31`	`Guu`	`orchid: Total matches: 3, shown: 3. php3 3:3.0.18-23.1woody1 (stable), php3 3:3.0.18-26.1 (testing), php3 3:3.0.18-26.1 (unstable)`
`02:39.36`	`orchid`	`!debian version php4`
`02:39.38`	`Guu`	`orchid: Total matches: 3, shown: 3. php4 4:4.1.2-6woody3 (stable), php4 4:4.1.2-6 (testing), php4 4:4.3.3-3 (unstable)`
`02:42.06`	`*** join/#bzflag TimRiker (~timr@c-24-1-99-18.client.comcast.net)`
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`03:33.49`	`learner`	`~kapg`
`03:33.57`	`learner`	`~weather kapg`
`03:35.11`	`learner`	`lost power last night, not yet since I've been home, though`
`03:35.38`	`learner`	`lost power 4 or 5 times at work during the day, though -- and 4 trees fell`
`03:35.50`	`wobbly_carrot`	`03:06.05 TimRiker releasing 1.10 perhaps.`
`03:35.50`	`wobbly_carrot`	`03:06.26 TimRiker =) let's get to that by the way....`
`03:35.55`	`wobbly_carrot`	`:)`
`03:35.58`	`learner`	`:)`
`03:35.59`	`learner`	`heh`
`03:36.14`	`wobbly_carrot`	`Tim?`
`03:36.26`	`learner`	`so what's the plan?`
`03:46.08`	`learner`	`www or web for a directory name containing web pages?`
`03:47.48`	`learner`	`oh drat.. I guess I should be writing docs for release.. like how to use the voting system and the filtering`
`03:50.57`	`TimRiker`	`soon! test / fix / test / fix`
`03:51.11`	`TimRiker`	`learner: web is shorter to say.`
`03:51.28`	`TimRiker`	`learner: docs would be a Good Thing.`
`03:51.43`	`TimRiker`	`fixing my sqlite under php4 would be nice too... =(`
`03:51.59`	`learner`	`yea, i know.. just also a "Pain in the *ss Thing" too :)`
`03:52.15`	`learner`	`what's wrong with the sqlite?`
`03:52.33`	`learner`	`gimme an account with access and I'll have you up 'n running soon enough`
`04:07.35`	`*** part/#bzflag TimRiker (~timr@c-24-1-99-18.client.comcast.net)`
`04:10.47`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_proton] by ChanServ`
`04:16.49`	`*** join/#bzflag Nivex (kjotte@adsl-18-28-85.rdu.bellsouth.net)`
`04:18.11`	`Nivex`	`does anyone know of an IRC bot (or module for one) that would monitor a bzflag server and announce events in the IRC channel?`
`04:18.32`	`*** join/#bzflag teh_toch (tocharian@rdu74-151-228.nc.rr.com)`
`04:19.00`	`*** join/#bzflag jeremyp (~jeremy@dargo.trilug.org)`
`04:20.23`	`learner`	`there's no such bot module, as far as I know, but you could put one together rather easily using bzadmin`
`04:20.30`	`wobbly_carrot`	`yup`
`04:22.19`	`learner`	`i'd recommend a module to supybot, if you're looking (it's python based)`
`04:22.36`	`learner`	`the maintainer is rather helpful at such things`
`04:23.22`	`learner`	`check out #supybot and src/bzadmin in the latest bzflag snapshot if you're interested in that route`
`04:24.55`	`Nivex`	`I'll have to do that, thanks.`
`04:25.04`	`*** part/#bzflag jeremyp (~jeremy@dargo.trilug.org)`
`04:25.16`	`learner`	`if you do, feel free to contribute it back so others can use it :)`
`04:25.50`	`learner`	`i'd be happy to help out, too, if you need it -- i've been meaning to do that eventually`
`04:26.26`	`captain_proton`	`didn't lars put together an irc->bz gateway using bzadmin?`
`04:26.42`	`learner`	`at some point`
`04:26.50`	`learner`	`perl hack, iirc`
`04:27.40`	`learner`	`yea, there's a misc/bzirc.pl if you want to try that.. :)`
`04:27.58`	`Nivex`	`I'm having some trouble checking out the CVS tree from SF`
`04:28.06`	`learner`	`~sfsnap`
`04:28.07`		`[sfsnap] http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/`
`04:28.38`	`Nivex`	`that'll do :)`
`04:29.01`	`wobbly_carrot`	`Nivex: anon cvs is boosted`
`04:29.58`	`*** part/#bzflag teh_toch (tocharian@rdu74-151-228.nc.rr.com)`
`04:30.08`	`Nivex`	`wobbly_carrot: then why do they still have docs for it?`
`04:30.30`	`captain_proton`	`i just can't wait until aug 2k3, when they get their new cvs server :P`
`04:30.33`	`learner`	`the b0rkage is posted on their site status page`
`04:31.02`	`wobbly_carrot`	`captain_proton: :)`
`04:31.20`	`learner`	`captain_proton: is picogui in sf?`
`04:31.28`	`wobbly_carrot`	`Nivex: they are 'working' on it`
`04:31.31`	`captain_proton`	`learner: sortof`
`04:31.37`	`learner`	`cvs, I mean`
`04:31.42`	`captain_proton`	`no`
`04:31.46`	`captain_proton`	`picogui uses svn on navi`
`04:31.50`	`learner`	`okay`
`04:32.02`	`captain_proton`	`http://navi.picogui.org/svn/picogui/trunk/`
`04:33.34`	`captain_proton`	`just about all of my code nowadays is versioned on navi`
`04:33.48`	`captain_proton`	`you could go around to some of the other channels here and ask`
`04:34.13`	`learner`	`perhaps`
`04:34.17`	`learner`	`got one in mind?`
`04:36.16`	`*** join/#bzflag TimRiker (~timr@c-24-1-99-18.client.comcast.net)`
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`04:38.13`	`TimRiker`	`1+1`
`04:38.38`	`brlcad`	`is 3`
`04:38.50`	`wobbly_carrot`	`for large values of 1`
`04:39.00`	`captain_proton`	`or small values of 3`
`04:40.49`	`Nivex`	`argh. I can't get bzadmin to build from the latest CVS snap`
`04:41.00`	`wobbly_carrot`	`on what plat?`
`04:41.22`	`Nivex`	`wobbly_carrot: Linux i686`
`04:41.34`	`wobbly_carrot`	`mmm`
`04:41.53`	`captain_proton`	`what compiler?`
`04:41.53`	`wobbly_carrot`	`error?`
`04:41.59`	`wobbly_carrot`	`template based?`
`04:41.59`	`captain_proton`	`and yes, what error?`
`04:42.12`	`Nivex`	`In file included from OptionParser.cxx:17:`
`04:42.12`	`Nivex`	`OptionParser.h:100: explicit specialization in non-namespace scope`
`04:42.12`	`Nivex`	`class OptionParser'
`04:42.23`	`wobbly_carrot`	`hehe`
`04:42.23`	`Nivex`	`gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-113)`
`04:42.29`	`wobbly_carrot`	`a patlabor fix`
`04:42.45`	`captain_proton`	`well, in this case, pat is correct`
`04:42.48`	`captain_proton`	`(according to the standard)`
`04:42.55`	`captain_proton`	`at least, i think`
`04:43.47`	`wobbly_carrot`	`is it the string or bool specialization?`
`04:44.01`	`wobbly_carrot`	`or perhaps it's both`
`04:44.23`	`wobbly_carrot`	`probably just an old compiler`
`04:44.35`	`captain_proton`	`well - it is quite an old compiler`
`04:44.39`	`captain_proton`	`but its one we should still support`
`04:44.43`	`captain_proton`	`since not everyone can move to gcc 3.x`
`04:45.21`	`captain_proton`	`there's got to be a workable solution`
`04:45.44`	`wobbly_carrot`	`wrap the code with a namespace? :)`
`04:45.59`	`captain_proton`	`i'd be happy to do such`
`04:46.02`	`brlcad`	`TimRiker: was just chatting with some people in another sf-hosted project (gaim) regarding anon cvs..`
`04:46.06`	`captain_proton`	`i would -love- to use namespaces`
`04:46.23`	`wobbly_carrot`	`or perhaps break out the sub class into a first-class class`
`04:46.34`	`brlcad`	`They see delays, but none of the permission denied's, errors, etc, that we seem to keep having`
`04:47.04`	`brlcad`	`Perhaps a message should get fired off to sf support?`
`04:47.07`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`04:48.03`	`captain_proton`	`sure they're talking about -anon- ?`
`04:48.23`	`brlcad`	`Nivex: change the template<> to template in that file (there are two of them) and you should compile fine`
`04:48.38`	`brlcad`	`captain_proton: yes`
`04:48.41`	`wobbly_carrot`	`brlcad, that is incompatible with .NET`
`04:48.51`	`wobbly_carrot`	`so ifdef at least`
`04:48.54`	`brlcad`	`i know wobbly.. just to get him compiling`
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`04:49.19`	`wobbly_carrot`	`#ifdef WIN32`
`04:49.23`	`wobbly_carrot`	`template <>`
`04:49.26`	`wobbly_carrot`	`#endif`
`04:49.31`	`captain_proton`	`EW`
`04:49.34`	`wobbly_carrot`	`class VariableParser<std::string> : public Parser {`
`04:49.45`	`wobbly_carrot`	`er, _WIN32`
`04:50.02`	`brlcad`	`that's no good.. template<> is okay`
`04:50.21`	`Nivex`	`brlcad: yeah... template<> to template created a whole ton of errors`
`04:50.27`	`brlcad`	`but need to find a way to quell the old compiler`
`04:50.43`	`brlcad`	`Nivex: you changed both?`
`04:51.11`	`Nivex`	`brlcad: yep`
`04:51.15`	`Nivex`	`line 100 and 115`
`04:51.35`	`Nivex`	`(I'm using bzflag-2003-11-13-17.23.52.tar.gz)`
`04:51.43`	`brlcad`	`ah, oops..`
`04:51.51`	`brlcad`	`yea, just remove the template<> altogether`
`04:52.31`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`04:52.48`	`brlcad`	`still need to quell that compiler :)`
`04:52.54`	`Nivex`	`that seems to have done it`
`04:53.57`	`brlcad`	`one of the gaim folks seems to think that our project's anon cvs is "turned off"`
`04:56.14`	`Nivex`	`does bzadmin only work with the server out of CVS, or will it work with a 1.7g2?`
`04:57.10`	`brlcad`	`only out of cvs`
`04:57.24`	`Nivex`	`well phooey.`
`04:57.29`	`brlcad`	`there are 5 or so servers running the new version, though that you can play with`
`04:57.48`	`brlcad`	`1.10 is going to be released "real soon now"`
`04:58.12`	`brlcad`	`whereupon most of the 1.7g servers will start to be shut down`
`04:58.15`	`wobbly_carrot`	`we're up to -> ix test fix`
`04:58.47`	`brlcad`	`yea.. last beta :)`
`04:59.08`	`wobbly_carrot`	`are there any known show stopper bugs?`
`04:59.41`	`brlcad`	`not that I'm aware of or at least can remember`
`04:59.53`	`wobbly_carrot`	`me neither`
`05:00.04`	`wobbly_carrot`	`so being that no one tests....`
`05:00.06`	`brlcad`	`those display bugs that the guy had screenshots of is rather annoying, but it's hard to debug something I can't reproduce`
`05:00.18`	`wobbly_carrot`	`yup`
`05:00.55`	`wobbly_carrot`	`i think he doctored the pictures *^\|`
`05:01.03`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`05:03.30`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`05:03.38`	`brlcad`	`hmm, indeed`
`05:03.40`	`captain_proton`	`apparently the template thing also breaks gcc 3.3.2`
`05:03.41`	`brlcad`	`can't login`
`05:04.06`	`Nivex`	`brlcad: wait, 1.10? you mean 1.80?`
`05:04.13`	`wobbly_carrot`	`do you need to?`
`05:04.14`	`brlcad`	`nope`
`05:04.17`	`brlcad`	`i mean 1.10`
`05:04.19`	`wobbly_carrot`	`nivex 1.10`
`05:04.35`	`Nivex`	`no decimal place`
`05:04.44`	`brlcad`	`1.10.0`
`05:05.02`	`Nivex`	`too tired to code, too awake to sleep :)`
`05:05.30`	`brlcad`	`drat.. SF only wants to hear from project administrators`
`05:05.38`	`brlcad`	`cappy, would you?`
`05:05.57`	`brlcad`	`http://sourceforge.net/project/admin/?group_id=3248`
`05:07.12`	`brlcad`	`the crux of the problem seems to be that users cannot cvs login to anonymous cvs ever since the problems started. get authorization failed.`
`05:13.17`	`TimRiker`	`still can't get into bzflag as anonymous?`
`05:13.29`	`wobbly_carrot`	`nope`
`05:14.09`	`brlcad`	`TimRiker, there you are :)`
`05:14.13`	`brlcad`	`would you? :)`
`05:14.20`	`TimRiker`	`hmm...`
`05:15.11`	`TimRiker`	`checking CVSROOT in case...`
`05:15.13`	`brlcad`	`apparently, it should merely be delayed by a day or so (still), not completely inaccessible`
`05:15.37`	`brlcad`	`hrm.. I didn't think we could control permissions on CVSROOT`
`05:15.46`	`Nivex`	ServerLink.o: In function `ServerLink::sendPlayerUpdate(Player *)':
`05:15.46`	`Nivex`	ServerLink.o(.text+0x111a): undefined reference to `Player::setDeadReckoning(void)'
`05:15.49`	`Nivex`	`collect2: ld returned 1 exit status`
`05:15.51`	`Nivex`	`make[2]: *** [bzadmin] Error 1`
`05:16.05`	`TimRiker`	`it can be done, but I'm not sure we've done anything to prevent anonymous... checking.`
`05:16.07`	`brlcad`	`yeesh.. that dang serverlink`
`05:16.25`	`wobbly_carrot`	`setDeadReckoning needs to be inlined in .h if irc`
`05:16.34`	`Nivex`	`brlcad: well, you wanted it tested :)`
`05:16.53`	`TimRiker`	`http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/gaim/CVSROOT/ works`
`05:16.55`	`brlcad`	`yes.. but you're compiler is old :)`
`05:17.01`	`TimRiker`	`http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/CVSROOT/ does not.`
`05:17.33`	`Nivex`	`hmm... well since I moved over to my Debian machine, lemme see if I can coerce it into using gcc-3.0`
`05:17.38`	`wobbly_carrot`	`hmm, it already is inlined`
`05:18.22`	`brlcad`	`wobbly, that gcc compiler doesn't do the inline for some reason`
`05:18.40`	`TimRiker`	`brlcad: can't see a reason for that... opening a ticket.`
`05:18.43`	`wobbly_carrot`	`ah, that would splain it`
`05:19.08`	`brlcad`	`not that we should rely on the inline.. :)`
`05:24.00`	`TimRiker`	`http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=841932&group_id=1&atid=200001`
`05:24.12`	`captain_proton`	`wobbly_carrot: =)`
`05:24.30`	`TimRiker`	`brlcad: looks like 'nobody' can't read something in CVSROOT`
`05:24.47`	`TimRiker`	`or perhaps the directory itself. ticket should fix it. thanx.`
`05:24.48`	`brlcad`	`that's what I gathered, too`
`05:25.05`	`brlcad`	`thanks to you too`
`05:28.15`	`TimRiker`	`wobbly_carrot: heh. we could do one release now and another then. ;-)`
`05:29.18`	`wobbly_carrot`	`but it would make the cvs announcement section so messy`
`05:29.28`	`wobbly_carrot`	`er, sf, not cvs`
`05:29.57`	`TimRiker`	`heh.`
`05:30.06`	`wobbly_carrot`	`not to mention that oft desired release-predictability so desired by middle management`
`05:30.09`	`TimRiker`	`well let's get them bugs fixed.`
`05:30.16`	`TimRiker`	`the GL ones are a pain.`
`05:30.26`	`wobbly_carrot`	`do we have bugs?`
`05:30.47`	`wobbly_carrot`	`:)`
`05:30.54`	`wobbly_carrot`	`sky?`
`05:33.06`	`wobbly_carrot`	`these ones?`
`05:33.09`	`TimRiker`	`brlcad: really? sky bugs there?`
`05:33.10`	`wobbly_carrot`	`* same stipple on teleporters and phantom zone, making phatom`
`05:33.10`	`wobbly_carrot`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:33.10`	`wobbly_carrot`	`* not drawing back to front when depth buffer is on:`
`05:33.10`	`wobbly_carrot`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:33.10`	`wobbly_carrot`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:33.14`	`wobbly_carrot`	`* line stipple doesn't (can't) match polygon stipple`
`05:33.16`	`wobbly_carrot`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:33.42`	`brlcad`	`those are "old", afaik.. rather old indeed`
`05:33.56`	`wobbly_carrot`	`nothing else in BUGS file`
`05:34.15`	`TimRiker`	`does "make dist" work now with the vc changes?`
`05:34.50`	`wobbly_carrot`	`make dist? vc can build an installer if thats what you mean`
`05:34.53`	`TimRiker`	`I was seeing flags through bases. is that fixed? /me builds and tries again.`
`05:35.10`	`wobbly_carrot`	`i think tupone fixed that`
`05:35.16`	`TimRiker`	`no, I meant the *nix make dist and Makefile.am's being up to date.`
`05:35.26`	`wobbly_carrot`	`ah`
`05:35.38`	`wobbly_carrot`	`shrug`
`05:35.41`	`TimRiker`	`need to write a script to check CVS/Entries vs Makefile.am files I suppose.`
`05:36.15`	`TimRiker`	`cause "make distcheck" might still work and have the tarball be missing win/mac files.`
`05:36.18`	`wobbly_carrot`	`don't you just get link errors if something is missing?`
`05:36.30`	`wobbly_carrot`	`ah`
`05:36.34`	`wobbly_carrot`	`ok`
`05:36.34`	`TimRiker`	`not for bzflag.dsp or similar...`
`05:36.50`	`TimRiker`	`or an image file, or a locale file, etc.`
`05:36.55`	`wobbly_carrot`	`bbi2min`
`05:38.00`	`TimRiker`	`~seen xk`
`05:38.02`		`TimRiker: i haven't seen 'xk'`
`05:39.18`	`wobbly_carrot`	`win installer is based on directories`
`05:39.24`	`wobbly_carrot`	`so it doesn't matter if the files change`
`05:39.35`	`TimRiker`	`In file included from OptionParser.cxx:17:`
`05:39.35`	`TimRiker`	`OptionParser.h:100: explicit specialization in non-namespace scope`
`05:39.35`	`TimRiker`	`class OptionParser'
`05:39.35`	`TimRiker`	`OptionParser.h:115: explicit specialization in non-namespace scope`
`05:39.35`	`TimRiker`	`class OptionParser'
`05:39.36`	`TimRiker`	`make[2]: *** [OptionParser.o] Error 1`
`05:39.37`	`wobbly_carrot`	`but gotcha`
`05:39.47`	`wobbly_carrot`	`sigh`
`05:39.51`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`05:39.55`	`Nivex`	`ok, with gcc 3.0, it built cleanly excepting that error TimRiker just pasted.`
`05:39.56`	`wobbly_carrot`	`put ifdefs around the template <>`
`05:39.58`	`wobbly_carrot`	`part`
`05:40.02`	`wobbly_carrot`	`#ifdef _WIN32`
`05:40.05`	`wobbly_carrot`	`template <>`
`05:40.05`	`wobbly_carrot`	`#endif`
`05:40.29`	`wobbly_carrot`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:40.31`	`Nivex`	`but gcc 2.96 is apparently a nightmare`
`05:41.00`	`brlcad`	`given the fact that gcc recognized it's an explicit specialization, I imagine it's spec'd to require a namespace of some sort..`
`05:41.01`	`wobbly_carrot`	`not sure it's just win32`
`05:41.04`	`wobbly_carrot`	`but probably`
`05:41.11`	`wobbly_carrot`	`actually it's only VC .NET`
`05:41.18`	`wobbly_carrot`	`VC6 works either way`
`05:41.39`	`brlcad`	`naw, I think template<> explicit parameterization is kosher.. just not doing something right`
`05:41.55`	`wobbly_carrot`	`well it used to compile when that wasn't there`
`05:42.00`	`brlcad`	`"officially" right, that is`
`05:42.08`	`wobbly_carrot`	`but patlabor added it to quell the .NET compiler`
`05:42.35`	`brlcad`	`i think without it, it's an implicit specialization on a class level (which I don't think is "real", but gcc allows)`
`05:42.59`	`TimRiker`	`wobbly_carrot: huh? which section?`
`05:43.01`	`wobbly_carrot`	`mebe`
`05:43.11`	`wobbly_carrot`	`the specialization for std::string`
`05:43.19`	`wobbly_carrot`	`ifdef out the preceding template <>`
`05:43.29`	`wobbly_carrot`	`in OptionParser.h`
`05:43.47`	`wobbly_carrot`	`around line 100`
`05:43.52`	`Nivex`	`There is a problem in the Help text :(`
`05:44.01`	`Nivex`	`I think some lines got switched around`
`05:44.14`	`Nivex`	`in the area describing the different types of games.`
`05:45.00`	`CIA`	`03timriker * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (OptionParser.h): wobbly made me do it`
`05:45.01`	`TimRiker`	`wobbly_carrot: twice, yes?`
`05:45.36`	`brlcad`	`yes`
`05:46.19`	`TimRiker`	`Nivex: which help?`
`05:46.54`	`brlcad`	`heh.. I should pay more attention to my build logs.. it's been failing for me all day too`
`05:47.05`	`Nivex`	`TimRiker: the Help option from Main menu.`
`05:47.14`	`wobbly_carrot`	`yes`
`05:47.16`	`wobbly_carrot`	`twice`
`05:48.05`	`TimRiker`	`heh`
`05:48.28`	`Nivex`	`dang it's been awhile since I've touched code`
`05:50.43`	`Nivex`	`wobbly_carrot: In the 'General' section, it appears as though the lines are out of order.`
`05:51.26`	`Nivex`	`found it. bzflag/menus.cxx`
`05:52.17`	`Nivex`	`line 2143`
`05:52.27`	`wobbly_carrot`	`ah i see`
`05:52.32`	`brlcad`	`mac: would you make sure that builds for you?`
`05:52.40`	`wobbly_carrot`	`also flag help doesn't show the new flags :*(`
`05:52.44`	`wobbly_carrot`	`k`
`05:52.53`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (OptionParser.h): cannot have explicit template class specializations within a class`
`05:53.52`	`wobbly_carrot`	`fixing menus`
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`05:55.18`	`brlcad`	`found this on the gcc mailing list: "According to the Standard, template specializations can`
`05:55.19`	`brlcad`	`only be declared in namespace scope. "`
`05:55.31`	`brlcad`	`splains it`
`05:56.20`	`brlcad`	`so vc doesn't seem to like implicit within a class, and gcc doesn't like explicit within a class :)`
`05:58.22`	`CIA`	`03bzflag * 12bzflag/misc (hix.bzw): thick bases`
`05:58.23`	`wobbly_carrot`	`brlcad, only VC .NET`
`05:59.38`	`brlcad`	`heck, they're both probably disallowed, from the sound of that comment`
`06:00.34`	`wobbly_carrot`	`couldn't we just break out that class and make it a first-class class?`
`06:01.06`	`CIA`	`03timriker * 12bzflag/ (TODO): flag docs?`
`06:02.02`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (menus.cxx): fix menus`
`06:02.41`	`JBDiGriz`	`brlcad: Spending the night at work again?`
`06:03.14`	`Nivex`	`well, it's 0100 local time. I should probably get some sleep.`
`06:04.30`	`wobbly_carrot`	`learner: builds fine on VC6, but should really get patlabor to check .NET`
`06:04.46`	`wobbly_carrot`	`Nivex: east coast, the nite is young`
`06:04.57`	`brlcad`	`jb: nope`
`06:05.05`	`Nivex`	`wobbly_carrot: yeah, but I'd kind of like to be awake when I roll into work tomorrow.`
`06:05.14`	`brlcad`	`I'm at home.. should have gone to bed hours ago`
`06:05.17`	`TimRiker`	`builds on gcc 2.95`
`06:05.24`	`brlcad`	`caught up documenting the voting system, though..`
`06:05.31`	`TimRiker`	`er 2.96`
`06:05.34`	`JBDiGriz`	`Cool :)`
`06:05.55`	`brlcad`	`you get to perform the technical review :)`
`06:06.16`	`brlcad`	`:D`
`06:06.19`	`JBDiGriz`	`Isn't fiber the tech doc guy? :)`
`06:06.51`	`wobbly_carrot`	`Nivex: thats overrated`
`06:07.25`	`brlcad`	`Nivex: where bouts?`
`06:07.37`	`JBDiGriz`	`When you're young you don't want to sleep, when you're old, you can't sleep. Why do we have kids in the middle, to keep us up?`
`06:07.49`	`Nivex`	`brlcad: Raleigh, NC`
`06:08.09`	`brlcad`	`ah.. spanning the coast a little more now -- not far from KR`
`06:09.06`	`wobbly_carrot`	`TimRiker: client popup help ?`
`06:09.13`	`wobbly_carrot`	`oh, flag help?`
`06:09.20`	`wobbly_carrot`	`ok`
`06:10.29`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (TODO): new flags is doced`
`06:10.33`	`wobbly_carrot`	`JBDiGriz: :)`
`06:11.04`	`wobbly_carrot`	`no one liked my game-play time limit solution?`
`06:11.58`	`wobbly_carrot`	`do we have a name for the version?`
`06:12.03`	`JBDiGriz`	`builds on PB gcc 3.1`
`06:12.23`	`TimRiker`	`wobbly_carrot: "the break-the-world version" ? ;-)`
`06:12.52`	`wobbly_carrot`	`'tower of babel' ?`
`06:25.36`	`*** join/#bzflag KR (~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com)`
`06:25.45`	`brlcad`	`speak of the debil`
`06:26.04`	`KR`	`who? what?`
`06:26.41`	`JBDiGriz`	`got tired of getting whupped?`
`06:27.08`	`KR`	`if you put a "skinny tank" and a normal one side-by-side, not moving - would it be easy to shoot at tem and tell which was which?`
`06:27.26`	`JBDiGriz`	`Yes`
`06:27.31`	`KR`	`wound up just observing for a while`
`06:27.53`	`KR`	`maybe then thats something that could be implemented at the start of certain matches?`
`06:28.05`	`KR`	`evryone does it, both teams`
`06:28.24`	`JBDiGriz`	`Sure, but it wouldn't help. I could just add a key which makes my tank skinny when I want.`
`06:28.34`	`KR`	`ndarnit JB`
`06:28.52`	`KR`	`just when I thought I figured it out, you blow my idea outta the water ;)`
`06:29.20`	`KR`	`so did I guess who "Mono" and "savage" were correctly?`
`06:29.49`	`JBDiGriz`	`I didn't check out savage, but I thought mono was pretty obvious`
`06:29.59`	`wobbly_carrot`	`KR hit by the 'n' bug`
`06:30.09`	`wobbly_carrot`	`:)`
`06:30.11`	`KR`	`nno nI nam nnot`
`06:30.35`	`wobbly_carrot`	`it's like a secret handshake`
`06:30.47`	`JBDiGriz`	`It comes from playing too much bz, and then coming back to IRC. :)`
`06:31.06`	`KR`	`on the xandros channel I do it a lot :)`
`06:31.12`	`*** part/#bzflag Nivex (kjotte@adsl-18-28-85.rdu.bellsouth.net)`
`06:31.14`	`KR`	`so they think I am just nhappy`
`06:32.11`	`wobbly_carrot`	`like the list says.... http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/BZTopTen.html`
`06:34.01`	`KR`	`lol at #5 - fender bender lag`
`06:38.51`	`brlcad`	`any advice on guidelines and tips for the voting system people?`
`06:39.10`	`wobbly_carrot`	`people should use it`
`06:39.14`	`wobbly_carrot`	`time for horsies`
`06:42.01`	`KR`	`brlcad : u mean voting in bzflag, or in US elections? ;)`
`06:42.12`	`brlcad`	`bzflag :P`
`06:47.12`	`*** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-97-250.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)`
`06:47.33`	`brlcad`	`g'mornin' tupone`
`06:47.38`	`brlcad`	`it's that early already.. sheesh`
`06:47.47`	`Tupone`	`yeah`
`06:48.10`	`Tupone`	`still playing?`
`06:48.20`	`brlcad`	`nope`
`06:48.25`	`brlcad`	`writing documentation`
`06:48.30`	`brlcad`	`:(`
`06:48.50`	`Tupone`	`I made a non complete fix for shooting at Pyramids`
`06:49.14`	`Tupone`	`I should fix the fix!`
`06:49.43`	`Tupone`	`Have you got the issue of template in class ?`
`06:49.46`	`KR`	`AFA advice and tips - you mean for how people should vote on another players actions/presence/sportsmanship?`
`06:50.09`	`brlcad`	`tupone: just fixed that`
`06:50.26`	`brlcad`	`KR, yep`
`06:50.41`	`brlcad`	`when it should be used, when it should not`
`06:50.44`	`brlcad`	`other tips`
`06:50.46`	`KR`	`would be glad to help, but am unaware of how it works`
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`06:51.03`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ`
`06:51.04`	`KR`	`is just a voting sytem to determine whether or not someone gets kicked?`
`06:51.16`	`brlcad`	`heh.. well if such a system "did" exist: when do you think it should not be used? :)`
`06:51.28`	`brlcad`	`yea, kicked/banned`
`06:52.03`	`KR`	`whenever my team is losing, the other team should be kicked`
`06:52.16`	`KR`	`also, if I have crappy players - they should be kicked :P`
`06:52.46`	`JBDiGriz`	`and we should probably kick any players with the letters k and r in their callsign. :P`
`06:52.53`	`KR`	`lol`
`06:53.08`	`Tupone`	`brlcad: about bzfs, how do you transfer AutomaticTeam assigned from the client?`
`06:53.18`	`Tupone`	`it's -2 no?`
`06:53.30`	`brlcad`	`yes`
`06:53.47`	`KR`	`because then everyone else on the field DIES and the other teams flag gets captured constantly`
`06:53.52`	`brlcad`	`you should be able to set your player to that and pass it to the server -- it should unpack correctly`
`06:54.05`	`Tupone`	`and it has to be transferred via un UShort ? or you changed that`
`06:54.30`	`brlcad`	`that's okay.. because it will get recast to int on unpack`
`06:54.40`	`JBDiGriz`	`Gad I'm getting tired of spam. Today, Amy, Heather, Tiffany .... are all worried about my high cable bill. Yesterday they wanted to know about something else. :)`
`06:54.41`	`brlcad`	`hmm. respawning.. good one`
`06:55.05`	`Tupone`	`remember the 65535 ...`
`06:55.08`	`KR`	`you have the obvious ones, I assume: TK's, obvious cheats,`
`06:55.40`	`KR`	`JB - lemme guess - you need an endowment? :)`
`06:55.42`	`brlcad`	`yea.. that's actually ALL the voting system is supposed to be used for`
`06:55.55`	`brlcad`	`obvious cheaters and assclowns`
`06:56.25`	`JBDiGriz`	`According to all these emails with the female names, they would be happy to provide me with all sorts of services if I only had one. :)`
`06:56.49`	`brlcad`	`tupone: yes, I remember, shouldn't need it it's working right.. rather not hack it like that`
`06:57.09`	`KR`	`what about packet loss, or way excessive lag? I mean lots of packets, or REALLY bad lag (ie lag kicks), especially if other people are observing, waiting to get in the game`
`06:57.20`	`KR`	`thats a huge gray area though...`
`06:57.57`	`KR`	`nr's`
`06:57.57`	`JBDiGriz`	`That's when a voting system is useful, the people in the game can decide if it's bad enough to kick one peron out.`
`06:58.03`	`Patlabor221`	`simple anwser is, its going to be used how ever the players see fit, it's a moral compass kinda thing`
`06:58.12`	`JBDiGriz`	`Clearly it shouldn't be a ban in that case.`
`06:58.14`	`Patlabor221`	`since the power is in there hands`
`06:58.15`	`*** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-209-1-9-68.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`06:58.26`	`KR`	`Pat - oh, we all know thatthat will work just fine then... ;)`
`06:58.35`	`Patlabor221`	`it's just like karma`
`06:58.49`	`Patlabor221`	`it in it'self isnt' good or bad, it is just a tool`
`06:59.10`	`Patlabor221`	`all really depends on how the admins set it up on there servers`
`06:59.14`	`Patlabor221`	`who has perms to do what`
`06:59.50`	`KR`	`basically - voting is for situations where there is no admin present, yet an admin action needs to be taken`
`06:59.59`	`KR`	`right?`
`07:00.04`	`KR`	`do I get a cookie?`
`07:00.07`	`Patlabor221`	`thats the intent`
`07:00.15`	`JBDiGriz`	`!praise kr`
`07:00.16`	`brlcad`	`KR: I'd still say it's not to be used for that -- at least that's what I'm going to specify. There are other server controls for specifying acceptible lag`
`07:00.22`	`Patlabor221`	`but it's it's defacto usage can't be known till it goes live`
`07:01.05`	`brlcad`	`Nnooooo....`
`07:01.11`	`TimRiker`	`adding observer counts to the ping msg`
`07:01.11`	`brlcad`	`unless it's to 0001`
`07:01.18`	`KR`	`understood on the lag - BUT - ever seen those people who can't take a lag-kick hint, and keep coming back over and over? thats what I meant`
`07:01.23`	`TimRiker`	`relax, it's just the ping.`
`07:01.25`	`Patlabor221`	`brlcad can specify all he wants, it ain't gonna change how people use it,if it gives them what they want`
`07:01.35`	`brlcad`	`can we start the bzfs proto numbering at 0001 before release?`
`07:01.53`	`captain_proton`	`or at least change it to -look- like the other versions?`
`07:01.59`	`Tupone`	`there will be a log of the decision taken during a vote?`
`07:02.15`	`brlcad`	`eventually, but not yet`
`07:02.37`	`brlcad`	`i could be mistaken, though.. I might log something.. dont' remember`
`07:02.55`	`KR`	`Tim - found out what my problem was - some app I installed used xlibmesa4-gl - messed all sorts of things up, including bzflag - so was not a Debian-package bug`
`07:02.56`	`Tupone`	`so, if it's recognized that someone abuse, can be banned`
`07:03.05`	`brlcad`	`it'll be in the server chat so -d -d -d will certainly blather it`
`07:03.49`	`TimRiker`	`KR cool. well, for us anyway.`
`07:04.01`	`TimRiker`	`captain_proton: huh?`
`07:04.14`	`KR`	`could we vote to kick observers like JB who are peering over our shoulders learning our bz secrets? ;)`
`07:04.32`	`KR`	`j/k`
`07:05.22`	`captain_proton`	`TimRiker: i'm annoyed that while we've converted to x.x.x versioning, the proto version is still XXXX`
`07:05.28`	`brlcad`	`BSFS#### is reasonable as it's a hard protocol breaking version number.. It can't/shouldn't match the client or server version, and will never necessarily be backwards compatible (that's the whole point of it, no?)`
`07:06.37`	`captain_proton`	`didn't pat's memo suggest that it would track the versions of the client/server, but only be changed when there was a proto change?`
`07:06.38`	`brlcad`	`alternative would be for the server to maintain a table of what's compatible and what's not for each version range`
`07:06.56`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh noone ever listens to me`
`07:07.03`	`CIA`	`03timriker * 12bzflag/ (7 files in 4 dirs):`
`07:07.03`	`CIA`	`1.9.10`
`07:07.04`	`CIA`	`ping now u8's`
`07:07.04`	`CIA`	`includes observer count and max`
`07:07.04`	`CIA`	`-mp changed`
`07:07.06`	`CIA`	`-mo removed`
`07:07.06`	`TimRiker`	`captain_proton: true true. someday our prince will come.`
`07:07.07`	`captain_proton`	`it bothers me that we are keeping a separate version format somewhere`
`07:07.35`	`captain_proton`	`everyone was pissed off at having 28465 different version number formats, but its ok if its just a few? :P`
`07:07.56`	`brlcad`	`problem is that people are already making it simply match whatever the client/server are _every_time_ the version changes..`
`07:08.12`	`brlcad`	`it's a practical, human error-prone issue, imo`
`07:08.21`	`TimRiker`	`captain_proton: no. it should go to one, I'm headed there, have to update the list server too.`
`07:08.55`	`captain_proton`	`brlcad: that seems solvable with an aptly placed /**** DO NOT CHANGE THIS UNLESS THE PROTOCOL CHANGES!!!! *******/`
`07:09.02`	`TimRiker`	`well... let me restate... protocol should be in int. not related to the version.`
`07:09.03`	`captain_proton`	`=}`
`07:09.24`	`TimRiker`	`this time the protocol did change. ;-)`
`07:09.37`	`scanline`	`or you cold go to a more featureful protocol that has no single version number, just an indication of what capabilities it supports :)`
`07:09.37`	`JBDiGriz`	`Does this mean we're retagging and releasing again this evening?`
`07:09.53`	`TimRiker`	`if it works, perhaps. ;-)`
`07:10.20`	`TimRiker`	`xmission will be updated, others can update at will if everthing looks ok. stay tuned.`
`07:10.37`	`TimRiker`	`scanline: patches welcome. ;-)`
`07:10.52`	`scanline`	`TimRiker: nah, I like the tradition of just handing out random suggestions without implementing them ;)`
`07:11.13`	`TimRiker`	`scanline: server list as rss perhaps?`
`07:11.19`	`scanline`	`sure`
`07:11.35`	`TimRiker`	`@rss http://db.bzflag.org/db/`
`07:11.38`	`scanline`	`heck, you could change all the negotiation and non-time-critical messages to use XML-RPC, then use an XML-specified UDP protocol`
`07:12.04`	`scanline`	`that would be -so- much nicer than the ill-documented binary format`
`07:12.16`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: :)`
`07:12.24`	`KR`	`bed time all - c u tomorrow - ciao, adios`
`07:12.31`	`*** part/#bzflag KR (~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com)`
`07:12.41`	`scanline`	`XML-RPC is cool, just somewhat high latency since it rides on top of http :)`
`07:12.54`	`scanline`	`could use a pickle socket!`
`07:13.10`	`JBDiGriz`	`mmmmmmm, pickles :)`
`07:13.17`	`captain_proton`	`yay for pickle sockets!`
`07:13.23`	`captain_proton`	`they're even neater than pickle pipes!`
`07:13.30`	`scanline`	`yep`
`07:13.43`	`scanline`	`and just think of the security!`
`07:15.16`	`CIA`	`03atupone * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): explains the status of hit detection on pyramid`
`07:16.26`	`Tupone`	`brlcad: have you checked if Burrow squishing has been acceptable now?`
`07:16.55`	`TimRiker`	`xmission is upgraded. still plays, posts to list server, server list does not work in bzflag though. =(`
`07:16.57`	`brlcad`	`have not, but your idea sounded good regardless :)`
`07:17.24`	`Tupone`	`should remove from BUG?`
`07:18.08`	`Tupone`	`However, I'm leaving. Need a shower, eat and go to work`
`07:18.14`	`Tupone`	`gnite all`
`07:18.29`	`*** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-97-250.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)`
`07:31.00`	`TimRiker`	`ah... need to change the pickpacketlength... fixing...`
`07:39.47`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/misc (bzfs_conf.html): follow along with Tim`
`07:50.11`	`captain_proton`	`yay. guess whos all clean!`
`07:51.43`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/misc (bzfs_conf.html): better info`
`07:51.53`	`brlcad`	`whew`
`07:51.57`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc (VotingSystem.txt): initial Voting System documentation`
`07:52.22`	`wobbly_carrot`	`brlcad what about 'the man'?`
`07:52.24`	`brlcad`	`doc'ing is exhausting`
`07:52.45`	`brlcad`	`the bzfs manpage is already documented`
`07:53.25`	`wobbly_carrot`	`for voting?`
`07:53.44`	`brlcad`	`yes`
`07:53.51`	`wobbly_carrot`	`then what is this thing?`
`07:54.04`	`brlcad`	`it's much more comprehensive`
`07:54.30`	`wobbly_carrot`	`mmm`
`07:55.30`	`brlcad`	`includes both how to set up (server-side) and how to use (client and server side), as well as suggested use`
`07:55.52`	`brlcad`	`too much stuff to cram into the bzflag and bzfs manpages, imo`
`07:56.35`	`TimRiker`	`info pages then?`
`07:56.51`	`brlcad`	`as I get started on the new website, I'll automatically hook into both the docs and the manpages`
`07:56.56`	`brlcad`	`yea, it could be an info page`
`07:57.11`	`brlcad`	`but I don't know/recall the format`
`08:02.19`	`captain_proton`	`how about...docbook?`
`08:02.29`	`brlcad`	`would be sweet`
`08:02.46`	`brlcad`	`then auto-dump info/man/web`
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`08:06.14`	`TimRiker`	`yeah docbook would rock.`
`08:06.27`	`TimRiker`	`then output man, html and pdf. ;-)`
`08:07.57`	`brlcad`	`when I'm not the only one putting docs into cvs, I'll think more about it </tounge_in_cheek_humor>`
`08:08.01`	`brlcad`	`:D`
`08:08.59`	`captain_proton`	`heh`
`08:09.17`	`wobbly_carrot`	`heh i'm the man guy, being from win32`
`08:10.01`	`captain_proton`	`wow`
`08:10.05`	`captain_proton`	`blender 2.30 looks -good-`
`08:10.18`	`wobbly_carrot`	`docbook is just an xml schema?`
`08:10.29`	`brlcad`	`yep. they are going in good directions with it for once`
`08:11.46`	`brlcad`	`wobbly, in a sense, yes -- it's a language spec that is provided in sgml and xml for describing the structure and content of documentation-oriented content`
`08:12.22`	`brlcad`	`so no layout/appearance is defined, just structure/organization.`
`08:12.31`	`wobbly_carrot`	`xml schema :)`
`08:16.28`	`CIA`	`03timriker * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs):`
`08:16.29`	`CIA`	`list server is back`
`08:16.29`	`CIA`	`reformatting might be nice, but it works`
`08:28.09`	`captain_proton`	`so now you're an extra_wobbly_carrot?`
`08:28.25`	`wobbly_carrot`	`that i am`
`08:33.07`	`TimRiker`	`er removes...`
`08:34.13`	`wobbly_carrot`	`sigh`
`08:34.15`	`wobbly_carrot`	`:)`
`08:34.47`	`TimRiker`	`no change in net version for that stuff...`
`08:35.05`	`wobbly_carrot`	`changes to bzfs_conf.html :)`
`08:35.08`	`CIA`	`03timriker * 12bzflag/ (7 files in 4 dirs):`
`08:35.09`	`CIA`	`remove special rogue team setup`
`08:35.09`	`CIA`	`-r gone`
`08:35.10`	`CIA`	`~bzflist`
`08:35.11`	`CIA`	`just for fun.`
`08:35.13`	`CIA`	`no rogue reject message`
`08:35.15`	`CIA`	`no rogue server bit`
`08:35.25`	`TimRiker`	`heh. cvs triggers ibot. gotta love it.`
`08:39.32`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/misc (bzfs_conf.html): remove -r from builder`
`08:39.37`	`wobbly_carrot`	`nice domain name`
`08:39.48`	`wobbly_carrot`	`surprised it was available`
`08:43.23`	`scanline`	`nah, you need to start the .flag TLD, and get bz.flag`
`08:44.30`	`wobbly_carrot`	`you can create your own tlds?`
`08:44.42`	`scanline`	`suuure...`
`08:45.04`	`scanline`	`just get out your checkbook and wander over to IANA`
`08:45.04`	`wobbly_carrot`	`without starting a country?`
`08:45.59`	`wobbly_carrot`	`bz tld is $50/year me thinks`
`08:46.14`	`wobbly_carrot`	`(belize)`
`08:47.45`	`wobbly_carrot`	`so how much is your own tld?`
`08:47.57`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+t] by brlcad`
`08:48.02`	`brlcad`	`ugh.. enough documenting for me tonight`
`08:48.25`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc (Filtering.txt): initial incomplete filtering document`
`08:48.27`	`brlcad`	`+t? what is mode +t?`
`08:48.35`	`wobbly_carrot`	`you did it!`
`08:48.58`	`brlcad`	`i did?`
`08:49.12`	`brlcad`	`what'd I do?`
`08:49.35`	`wobbly_carrot`	`--- brlcad sets mode +t #bzflag`
`08:50.02`	`learner`	`so you saw that too, eh?`
`08:50.12`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-t] by learner`
`08:50.30`	`learner`	`ah, okay, so I found what I inadvertently clicked on.. now what does it mean?`
`08:50.51`	`learner`	`modes t, n, i, s, m, l, and k are available`
`08:50.57`	`scanline`	`topic lock`
`08:51.03`	`scanline`	`when a channel is +t, only ops can set the topic`
`08:51.07`	`learner`	`ah`
`08:51.14`	`learner`	`oops`
`08:51.32`	`CIA`	`03timriker * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (CmdLineOptions.cxx): only zero flag teams on rabbit`
`08:51.33`	`learner`	`gtk`
`08:51.41`	`scanline`	`wow, the Federated States of Micronesia are really tiny`
`08:51.47`	`learner`	`okay. g'night`
`08:51.54`	`scanline`	`4x the land area of washington DC`
`08:52.05`	`scanline`	`and they get their own TLD :)`
`08:53.15`	`wobbly_carrot`	`at least their federated! imagine how weak they'd be otherwise`
`08:53.48`	`wobbly_carrot`	`TimRiker: mod'ing the man?`
`08:58.32`	`CIA`	`03timriker * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (menus.cxx): don't show counts if team max is 0`
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`08:59.26`	`BZFlag`	`~listvalues poland`
`08:59.44`	`BZFlag`	`~country .bz`
`08:59.46`		`methinks country .bz is belize`
`08:59.53`	`wobbly_carrot`	`yup`
`09:06.27`	`TimRiker`	`well, I'm headed to bed. nice progress tonight. ;-)`
`09:07.26`	`wobbly_carrot`	`nite`
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`17:37.08`	`david_v`	`hey dmp`
`17:37.16`	`[dmp]`	`hey swedish! :)`
`17:37.38`	`david_v`	`ah. starts well :)`
`17:37.40`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Доброе утро`
`17:37.48`	`david_v`	`even better :)`
`17:37.53`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`:)`
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`17:38.51`	`david_v`	`hey`
`17:39.16`	`Noodleman`	`hey`
`17:39.21`	`Noodleman`	`whazzup?`
`17:39.41`	`david_v`	`i'm fine... just need to shoot some :) not BZflag for a while though`
`17:39.52`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`17:40.08`	`david_v`	`bbiab`
`17:40.36`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`m00f`
`17:40.43`	`Noodleman`	`f00mz0rz`
`17:41.24`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`We were fairly sure you are certifiable. :)`
`17:41.35`	`Noodleman`	`hehe, thx`
`17:41.41`	`[dmp]`	`certified what?`
`17:42.50`	`Noodleman`	`passed the A+ IT cert exams`
`17:43.13`	`Noodleman`	`that means it can be reasonably assumed that i can do PC tech support`
`17:43.26`	`[dmp]`	`Congrats.`
`17:43.28`	`[dmp]`	`ahh :)`
`17:43.30`	`Noodleman`	`thx`
`17:55.15`	`[dmp]`	`"Games at work may be good for you" (improves productivity) .. I need to remember that :)`
`17:55.26`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`18:03.51`	`KR`	`dmp - did you get my subscribe email? just saw the second prper address last night`
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`18:13.45`	`Tupone`	`hi all`
`18:16.20`	`brlcad`	`howdy tupone`
`18:17.36`	`Tupone`	`another day full of updates`
`18:17.57`	`Tupone`	`should I say night?`
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`18:20.26`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (HUDRenderer.cxx): applied trepan's sf patch 841831 for flag coloring so that super flags are only colored white if coloring is turned on`
`18:21.25`	`User416`	`!botsnack`
`18:21.26`	`Guu`	`Burrrrrrp, ahhhhhhhh`
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`18:23.06`	`brlcad`	`heh, nice snack :)`
`18:23.22`	`brlcad`	`yea, tupone.. long night :)`
`18:24.30`	`Tupone`	`I C. Found an algorithm for collision on pyramids. The one coded is not so beautiful and faulty, so I recode :)`
`18:24.49`	`Tupone`	`to be more beautiful and more faulty`
`18:25.07`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Programming as an art form :)`
`18:26.16`	`Patlabor221`	`use ODE :)`
`18:26.25`	`Noodleman`	`programming is an art form more than it is a science`
`18:27.02`	`Tupone`	`ODE : Oriented Distance Engine ?`
`18:27.17`	`Patlabor221`	`don't rmebemer what it stands for`
`18:27.21`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a good colision thing`
`18:27.36`	`User416`	`yeah, the thingy, i have heard of that`
`18:27.44`	`Noodleman`	`source code is just like a poem, it's got stanzas, refrains, the whole works`
`18:27.45`	`Patlabor221`	`actulay a total physics thing`
`18:28.18`	`User416`	`oh physics thingy, i was thinking of a different thingy :)`
`18:28.34`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`~slap User416`
`18:28.38`		`ACTION slaps User416, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!`
`18:28.46`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`and your thingy too. :)`
`18:29.32`	`User416`	`youve been talking to my old girlfriend again, havent you....`
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`18:30.00`	`User416`	`ok, i'll shutup now....`
`18:30.04`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`I suppose you could call it talking. :)`
`18:30.05`	`captain_proton`	`i think ode stands for open dynamics engine`
`18:30.11`	`captain_proton`	`but i could be making that up`
`18:30.21`	`Patlabor221`	`that sounds like what I remember as well`
`18:30.26`	`Patlabor221`	`Open was in there somehow`
`18:30.30`	`User416`	`~google ODE`
`18:31.56`	`Tupone`	`Yet it could be better, but I like to code. Is assembler allowed? or just bytecode for portability?`
`18:36.02`	`Tupone`	`ordinary differential equation ?`
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`18:37.15`	`mikep`	`Hi, and czesc`
`18:37.19`	`mikep`	`doh`
`18:37.43`	`brlcad`	`hi merry`
`18:37.47`	`Merry_`	`doy`
`18:37.53`	`Merry_`	`I can't change my nick to just merry`
`18:37.57`	`Merry_`	`:*(`
`18:37.59`	`brlcad`	`tupone, you going to add a pl translation? :)`
`18:38.02`	`Merry_`	`I miss me name`
`18:38.07`	`Merry_`	`Oh hi brlcad`
`18:38.08`	`Merry_`	`:D`
`18:38.12`	`brlcad`	`merry.. someone else is using it..`
`18:38.19`	`Merry_`	`someone to brighten it up////`
`18:38.19`	`brlcad`	`need to register it, if they didn't already`
`18:38.23`	`Merry_`	`....*`
`18:38.29`	`Merry_`	`hmm`
`18:38.42`	`Merry_`	`LoL`
`18:38.45`	`Merry_`	`what's dat for?`
`18:38.53`	`brlcad`	`just brightening it up`
`18:39.03`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`18:39.09`	`Merry_`	`LoL`
`18:39.10`	`Merry_`	`:D`
`18:39.48`	`brlcad`	`fortunately, the other merry doesn't seem to be registered either, so you can snarf it as soon as they log off`
`18:39.59`	`Tupone`	`brlcad: had time to look at my patch (robot without rendering?)`
`18:40.12`	`brlcad`	`nope :(.. was writing documentation all night`
`18:40.17`	`Merry_`	`Merry is me..but I don't know why Imma still on`
`18:40.19`	`Merry_`	`:/`
`18:40.21`	`brlcad`	`still not done with that`
`18:40.40`	`brlcad`	`it's not you, merry.. it's some "david barr"`
`18:40.57`	`Merry_`	`It isn't?`
`18:40.59`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`who is in a different channel.`
`18:41.08`	`Merry_`	`I don't see any other "Merry" on`
`18:41.22`	`Merry_`	`the only m's I see are MrCooper and me`
`18:41.26`	`brlcad`	`there in another channel, Merry_`
`18:41.33`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`You're only looking at one channel.`
`18:41.40`	`brlcad`	`s/there/they're/`
`18:41.50`	`Merry_`	`lol, sry`
`18:41.52`	`Merry_`	`there*`
`18:42.07`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`brlcad is getting all grammatical on us. :)`
`18:42.22`	`Merry_`	`lol`
`18:42.26`	`brlcad`	`that's almost as bad as it's`
`18:42.33`	`Merry_`	`learner, why would someone take my name?`
`18:42.37`	`Merry_`	`hehe`
`18:42.55`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Maybe someone else likes LOtR :)`
`18:43.02`	`brlcad`	`Well, merry, as soon as they leave, find someone in here and have them help you register your name`
`18:43.14`	`Merry_`	`okies`
`18:43.31`	`brlcad`	`then you can kick them when they try to use it :)`
`18:43.50`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`It's called ghosting around here. :)`
`18:43.52`	`Merry_`	`hehehe`
`18:43.57`	`Merry_`	`that would be gun`
`18:44.01`	`Merry_`	`fun(`
`18:44.04`	`Merry_`	`fun*`
`18:44.05`	`Merry_`	`(`
`18:44.06`	`Merry_`	`*`
`18:44.07`	`Merry_`	`**`
`18:44.09`	`Merry_`	`grr`
`18:44.21`	`Tupone`	`is there a debian way to handle /etc/rcX.d/ files?. (the answer, I know, will be yes :) )`
`18:44.35`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`yes`
`18:44.42`	`Tupone`	`thanx`
`18:44.43`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`:)`
`18:45.01`	`Merry_`	`hehe`
`18:45.27`	`Merry_`	`has anyone tried talk'in to ibot?`
`18:45.33`	`Merry_`	`in a private conversasion?`
`18:45.42`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`yes`
`18:45.44`	`Merry_`	`(spelling)`
`18:45.50`	`Merry_`	`he get annyoing`
`18:45.52`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`:)`
`18:45.54`	`Merry_`	`LoL`
`18:45.58`	`Merry_`	`imma do'in right now`
`18:46.08`	`Merry_`	`but...the thing that's not nice`
`18:46.15`	`Merry_`	`is typ'in in carnage`
`18:47.17`	`Merry_`	`hey, leaner, I typed in your name, and he said "[learner], you friend" ehheehee`
`18:47.33`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Did someone add more foul language to ibot?`
`18:47.57`	`Merry_`	`if you put in rtfm or sumt'in' like dat, he says some thin icky`
`18:48.04`	`Merry_`	`somet'in wit' it`
`18:48.22`	`Merry_`	`ya, if you write rftm`
`18:48.31`	`Merry_`	`then he'll not say sumt'in very nice`
`18:48.40`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Not everyone restrains themselves when adding things to ibot. I would avoid playing with it.`
`18:48.51`	`Merry_`	`Cool`
`18:48.53`	`Merry_`	`me too`
`18:49.05`	`Merry_`	`i didn't know he had a CD com'in out`
`18:49.27`	`*** join/#bzflag SGIrtrewt (~SGI@pcp05927753pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net)`
`18:49.32`	`SGIrtrewt`	`HI`
`18:49.35`	`Merry_`	`hi`
`18:49.39`	`Merry_`	`hey sgi`
`18:49.44`	`Merry_`	`or are you sgi?`
`18:49.52`	`SGIrtrewt`	`Hi xmission there is a cheater`
`18:50.00`	`SGIrtrewt`	`nick At`
`18:50.09`	`SGIrtrewt`	`yes Im`
`18:50.18`	`Merry_`	`hi sgi`
`18:50.29`	`SGIrtrewt`	`nhow are you Merry`
`18:50.30`	`Merry_`	`long time no see`
`18:50.31`	`brlcad`	`howdy sgi`
`18:50.35`	`Merry_`	`good, thx, you?`
`18:50.36`	`SGIrtrewt`	`and you bro`
`18:50.40`	`SGIrtrewt`	`ngood`
`18:50.44`	`Merry_`	`he's good`
`18:50.46`	`Merry_`	`he's on`
`18:50.51`	`SGIrtrewt`	`cool`
`18:51.12`	`brlcad`	`~bzflist`
`18:51.13`	`Legolas`	`hey buddy`
`18:51.17`	`Merry_`	`told ya`
`18:51.25`	`Merry_`	`neato`
`18:51.30`	`Merry_`	`~seen sn0w_kitty`
`18:51.31`		`sn0w_kitty <Chikorita@ACA2E583.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 9h 59m 46s ago, saying: 'hi dis message iz 4 my bz lil sista Merry(aka sn0w_d0ggy) all i hafta say iz ... meow =^.^= heehe CATS RULE!! yay yay . uh huh uh huh u kno it ;) LoL'.`
`18:51.31`	`SGIrtrewt`	`hi Legolas cool to "see" you`
`18:51.40`	`Merry_`	`~seen Merry`
`18:51.40`		`i haven't seen 'merry', Merry_`
`18:51.45`	`Merry_`	`hmmm`
`18:51.51`	`SGIrtrewt`	`btw there is a cheater on xmission see you later`
`18:51.51`	`Merry_`	`~seen chikorita`
`18:51.52`		`chikorita <Chikorita@ACA2E583.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 10h 2m 12s ago, saying: 'hi dis message iz 4 my bz lil sista Merry :) im sowee u query mee buh i not on irc very much anymo(or im on very late @ nite) . if u wanna chat look 4 mee on ducati :) LYLAS!!!'.`
`18:52.06`	`Merry_`	`nue`
`18:52.08`	`Merry_`	`bye`
`18:52.10`	`Merry_`	`*`
`18:52.13`	`Merry_`	`sgi`
`18:52.42`	`Legolas`	`you admin there?`
`18:53.30`	`Merry_`	`gonna play tanky tanky all`
`18:53.42`	`Merry_`	`not yet tho`
`18:53.59`	`Merry_`	`where'd brlcad go?`
`18:54.07`	`brlcad`	`he went crazy`
`18:54.11`	`Merry_`	`oh hi`
`18:54.15`	`Merry_`	`lol`
`18:57.12`	`brlcad`	`sounds like MAC got really close to fixing it, but the ticket is still open`
`18:57.27`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`It's hard to tell whether any crash bug under winderz is ever "fixed".`
`19:00.20`	`brlcad`	`Patlabor221: you here?`
`19:05.16`	`Patlabor221`	`I am`
`19:05.37`	`brlcad`	`everything built fine with Studio .Net yes?`
`19:06.00`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`19:06.16`	`Patlabor221`	`I even looked up that template<> thing and it shows it like that in the C++ primer`
`19:06.37`	`Patlabor221`	`they had an example very similaer to the code there in the book`
`19:07.05`	`Patlabor221`	`tho I haven't built today, so you maybe ya all busted it :)`
`19:07.48`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh yeah G0 had issues with .net`
`19:07.50`	`Patlabor221`	`big time`
`19:09.17`	`brlcad`	`I "fixed" the C++ thing.. there was still another issue`
`19:09.26`	`brlcad`	`template<> thing, that is`
`19:10.05`	`brlcad`	`you can't embed explicit specializations in a class scope -- only valid in namespace scopes.. so both compilers were half right and being half lax`
`19:11.20`	`brlcad`	`pulled them out and everyone is happy`
`19:12.42`	`*** join/#bzflag Legolas (~topgunp38@adsl-68-73-87-15.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)`
`19:12.45`	`Patlabor221`	`the changes I made looked just like examples in books`
`19:13.08`	`brlcad`	`yea, no, they were fine`
`19:13.16`	`brlcad`	`I wasn't paying close enough attention yesterday`
`19:13.23`	`brlcad`	`looked at it more when I got home`
`19:13.51`	`brlcad`	`it's a little bit confabulated for how larsl was using it -- a bit much.. but it works, so meh`
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`19:20.05`	`Patlabor221`	`yes bzadmin builds`
`19:20.17`	`Patlabor221`	`now to fix all warnings tim put in :)`
`19:23.10`	`*** part/#bzflag SGIrtrewt (~SGI@pcp05927753pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net)`
`19:24.50`	`TimRiker`	`~xmission`
`19:35.09`	`Legolas`	`~d`
`19:49.37`	`User416`	`sure you will get some cheers for that move Tim`
`19:56.18`	`User416`	`TimRiker: i must admit I liked you idea of a rotating(ie, map/week) server, there are a few 4 team ctf maps`
`19:57.07`	`User416`	`and xmission seems to hold people`
`19:59.05`	`brlcad`	`I even have taken a light taste to the current xmission map, believe the non-jumping learner or not..`
`19:59.38`	`brlcad`	`it's hilarious that I can get to the top of the ladder without ever jumping sometimes :)`
`20:00.19`	`brlcad`	`i'd expect to get slapped down pretty good with a map filled with the more serious ffa'ers`
`20:02.17`	`User416`	`think everybody has a favorite map........i like the idea of having to re-learn old maps`
`20:03.23`	`User416`	`thats why the idea of a rotating 4-team ctf server is somewhat appealling...........every week/month/etc you have to find a new technique`
`20:04.20`	`User416`	`....even if it is at the expense of removing my map from xmission`
`20:05.38`	`TimRiker`	`heh. old maps never die... ;-)`
`20:05.41`	`*** join/#bzflag mikep (~mikep@adsl-68-73-87-15.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)`
`20:06.30`	`User416`	`brlcad: have you taken time to run on RedRocks maps....???.........they are supposed to be non-jumping......and require a new set of techniques......its real fun`
`20:06.51`	`sn0w_d0ggy`	`Hi all.....`
`20:07.07`	`User416`	`i am hoping to get the 1.9.9 beta up running one....and then play with the gravity settings`
`20:07.12`	`sn0w_d0ggy`	`~weather batavia, IL`
`20:07.30`	`User416`	`~weather batavia, NY`
`20:07.54`	`User416`	`too many batavia's`
`20:11.50`	`Merry_`	`70000-79999`
`20:12.40`	`Merry_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:12.47`	`Merry_`	`Hrmphf`
`20:13.08`	`Merry_`	`User416, are you User414?`
`20:13.25`	`Merry_`	`Do you play BZFlag?`
`20:15.27`	`Merry_`	`heh`
`20:15.36`	`Merry_`	`strange`
`20:24.25`	`*** join/#bzflag jolly (~k@jvnineteen.ne.client2.attbi.com)`
`20:25.44`	`Merry_`	`hi jolly`
`20:26.35`	`jolly`	`hey Merry :)`
`20:26.41`	`[Merry]`	`hey jolly`
`20:26.43`	`[Merry]`	`jolly`
`20:26.45`	`[Merry]`	`Wait`
`20:26.51`	`[Merry]`	`Hey jolly jolly*`
`20:26.53`	`[Merry]`	`hehee`
`20:26.57`	`jolly`	`lol :)`
`20:26.58`	`[Merry]`	`ur a jolly jolly`
`20:27.13`	`jolly`	`:)`
`20:28.28`	`[Merry]`	`heh`
`20:32.53`	`CIA`	`03atupone * 12bzflag/src/obstacle (Intersect.cxx):`
`20:32.53`	`CIA`	`Ray hit vs Pyramid rewritten.`
`20:32.55`	`CIA`	`It was ugly, uncommmented and faulty (Tupone wrote)`
`20:41.07`	`CIA`	`03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/src/net (Ping.cxx): typecast 2byte value to 1 byte value`
`20:42.08`	`*** join/#bzflag mikep (~mikep@adsl-68-73-87-15.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)`
`20:44.59`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`!weather batavia, il`
`20:45.05`	`Guu`	`TyroneFHornigh: The current temperature in Batavia, Illinois is 46�F. Conditions are Overcast.`
`20:46.27`	`[Merry]`	`You live in Batavia Tyrone?`
`20:46.45`	`[Merry]`	`I do...:)`
`20:47.37`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`nope, just showing you how to find your weather`
`20:47.43`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`~weather ksan`
`20:49.14`	`brlcad`	`~weather kapg`
`20:49.48`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`i'll take my temperature, thank you. :)`
`20:49.56`	`[Merry]`	`hehee`
`20:50.05`	`[Merry]`	`!weather Batacia, Illinoisssss`
`20:50.07`	`Guu`	`[Merry]: Error: No such location could be found.`
`20:50.11`	`[Merry]`	`Hehehe`
`20:50.20`	`[Merry]`	`!weather Batavia, Il`
`20:50.22`	`Guu`	`[Merry]: The current temperature in Batavia, Illinois is 46�F. Conditions are Overcast.`
`20:50.27`	`[Merry]`	`Neatooo`
`20:50.54`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Our very friendly helper bot, Guu. :)`
`20:51.08`	`[Merry]`	`Yep`
`20:51.09`	`[Merry]`	`...`
`20:51.11`	`[Merry]`	`~d`
`20:51.24`	`User416`	`!weather batavia, ny`
`20:51.24`	`[Merry]`	`~quol`
`20:51.28`	`Guu`	`User416: The current temperature in Batavia, New York is 34�F. Conditions are Light Snow.`
`20:51.32`	`[Merry]`	`~q2`
`20:51.58`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Baggy: driving north this weekend?`
`20:52.45`	`User416`	`memories of years past`
`20:52.54`	`[Merry]`	`pfff....heh`
`20:53.20`	`[Merry]`	`User416 you are Bagy?`
`20:53.23`	`[Merry]`	`Baggy*`
`20:53.35`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`You should see the pants he wears.`
`20:53.43`	`[Merry]`	`hehehe`
`20:53.45`	`[Merry]`	`LoL`
`20:57.24`	`User416`	`~fluff Merry`
`20:57.26`		`ACTION takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly at Merry 's direction, hitting them and sending them flying into the closet`
`20:57.47`	`User416`	`really poorly worded, now that i read it`
`20:57.53`	`[Merry]`	`hehehe`
`20:58.01`	`[Merry]`	`~pillow User416`
`20:58.03`		`ACTION starts a pillow fight with User416`
`20:58.39`	`[Merry]`	`~whaleslap User416`
`20:58.42`		`ACTION slaps User416 upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh`
`20:58.56`	`User416`	`TyroneFHornigh: see what you started :)`
`20:59.16`	`[Merry]`	`Heh, you started it`
`20:59.18`	`[Merry]`	`hmm`
`20:59.21`	`[Merry]`	`let's see here`
`20:59.28`	`[Merry]`	`~grundee User416`
`21:00.04`	`[Merry]`	`hmm`
`21:00.10`	`[Merry]`	`~wedgee User416`
`21:00.14`	`[Merry]`	`Ratz`
`21:00.16`	`[Merry]`	`zzz`
`21:00.24`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Any time you're around, violence seems to flare, I take no responsibility for it.`
`21:00.31`	`[Merry]`	`hehe`
`21:00.35`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`!insult User416`
`21:00.35`	`[Merry]`	`ehhehehee`
`21:00.36`	`Guu`	`User416: Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberrys. (#1)`
`21:00.44`	`[Merry]`	`HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHa~`
`21:00.45`	`[Merry]`	`!`
`21:01.30`	`[Merry]`	`hamster`
`21:01.32`	`[Merry]`	`hehe`
`21:01.49`	`[Merry]`	`!insult User416`
`21:01.50`	`Guu`	`User416: Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberrys. (#1)`
`21:02.01`	`[Merry]`	`heh`
`21:03.59`	`brlcad`	`Mmm.. berries`
`21:04.39`	`[Merry]`	`lol`
`21:04.39`	`*** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-209-1-9-68.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`21:04.55`	`User416`	`!lart Merry`
`21:05.02`	`User416`	`!lart Merry`
`21:05.04`	`User416`	`!lart Merry`
`21:05.07`	`User416`	`!lart Merry`
`21:05.18`	`User416`	`gosh, Guu has to learn more`
`21:05.27`	`[Merry]`	`!wedgee User416`
`21:05.29`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Teach her`
`21:05.47`	`[Merry]`	`Come on! Theses bots need to know wedgees`
`21:05.50`	`[Merry]`	`hehe`
`21:05.51`	`[Merry]`	`;)`
`21:06.03`	`[Merry]`	`how do u guys know all these things`
`21:06.05`	`[Merry]`	`commands`
`21:06.08`	`[Merry]`	`?`
`21:07.00`	`User416`	`we have no life, and spend time watching other users use commands........then we learn how to create our own`
`21:07.58`	`Guu`	`[Merry]: Error: 'wedgee' is not a valid command.`
`21:08.33`	`[Merry]`	`well`
`21:08.36`	`[Merry]`	`g2g all`
`21:08.54`	`[Merry]`	`:D`
`21:08.56`	`[Merry]`	`bye`
`21:08.57`	`[Merry]`	`all`
`21:09.07`	`[Merry]`	`hmm`
`21:09.28`	`[Merry]`	`LoL`
`21:09.32`	`[Merry]`	`bye all`
`21:09.34`	`*** part/#bzflag [Merry] (~mikep@adsl-68-73-87-15.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net)`
`21:15.12`	`*** join/#bzflag Guu (~girlbot@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca)`
`21:20.00`	`captain_proton`	`yipes`
`21:20.03`	`captain_proton`	`tracker attack!`
`21:25.56`	`brlcad`	`muahaha`
`21:27.58`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`What is a "tracker attack"?`
`21:28.11`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~Patlabor2@208.48.199.202)`
`21:28.12`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ`
`21:28.34`	`brlcad`	`TyroneFHornigh: all becomes clear when thou checketh thy e-mail`
`21:29.28`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Har, no new messages.`
`21:30.00`	`captain_proton`	`people attacked the trackers`
`21:30.24`	`brlcad`	`yes we did`
`21:30.48`	`brlcad`	`knocked off 5 bugs`
`21:31.39`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Are you talking about those earlier messages which just closed bugs? 5 messages is nothing.`
`21:32.02`	`brlcad`	`i was a mini brigade`
`21:32.09`	`brlcad`	`er, s/i/it/`
`21:32.37`	`brlcad`	`er, s/i w/it w/ ;)`
`21:34.08`	`Noodleman`	`tracker attack is when one gets mauled by that little doggy in the BeOS`
`21:36.40`	`Tupone`	`CIA: bot team is a serverside decision`
`21:37.05`	`Tupone`	`I need more skill :(`
`21:38.11`	`brlcad`	`heh, tupone CIA relay :)`
`21:38.19`	`brlcad`	`someone finally shut CIA up`
`21:38.22`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): er, most empty needs to be initialized maximally, not minimally, since the definition changed (it's the size of the smallest team)`
`21:38.25`	`brlcad`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:38.29`	`brlcad`	`cough`
`21:38.42`	`brlcad`	`that was a major delay`
`21:38.45`	`captain_proton`	`brlcad: if you wanted to knock another off the list, 658055 is a dupe of 678319`
`21:39.05`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`CIA is still talking in here. I shut off the duplicate messages that Guu was providing.`
`21:39.28`	`brlcad`	`I thought CIA had stopped, I sent those commits over 5 min ago`
`21:40.07`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`~shoot CIA`
`21:40.13`		`ACTION shoots CIA in the head.`
`21:42.01`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): rename to poorly named variable.. shame on learner`
`21:44.03`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`at least learner isn't boinging off to work at 3:30 on a friday afternoon.`
`21:45.07`	`Patlabor221`	`it's 2:30 there isn't it?`
`21:45.49`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`You're right, but still friday afternoon isn't the time to go off to work. It's time to head home to party. :)`
`21:45.59`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`21:46.07`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe he partys at work? :)`
`21:46.32`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`21:46.34`	`brlcad`	`maybe`
`21:46.48`	`brlcad`	`but no alkeehall at work :(`
`21:47.29`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`My contract is ending as of today. Does anyone need a Unix systems guy running around?`
`21:48.55`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`21:49.12`	`brlcad`	`I do, but unfortunately I don't control the green for that right now`
`21:49.39`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`;)`
`21:52.59`	`Legolas`	`l8er`
`21:53.01`	`Noodleman`	`TyroneFHornigh: we need a Unix guy to run around in a chicken suit yelling "I'm a Unix!" in a high squeaky voice`
`21:57.07`	`Chestal`	`http://www.galactanet.com/comic/106.htm`
`21:58.20`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`21:59.14`	`CIA`	`03atupone * 12bzflag/src (2 files in 2 dirs): bot team is a serverside decision`
`21:59.54`	`Noodleman`	`nobody thinks my jokes are funny :-(`
`22:00.20`	`brlcad`	`yay! .. I can just barely fit all 35 bugs on the screen at once now..`
`22:00.25`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`22:01.11`	`purple_cow`	`wibble`
`22:01.26`	`brlcad`	`wobble`
`22:02.55`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Chestal: At least they're not blaming it on lag. :)`
`22:06.16`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`brlcad: Are you sure about the fix for the old imac? I haven't tried the latest on my imac which won't do fullscreen, but I'll verify it tonight.`
`22:07.15`	`brlcad`	`well.. the specific crash he was running into was a null pointer dereference. I fixed that. now _why_ the pointer was null in the first place is an interesting question, but I'll pass on that for now.`
`22:12.20`	`brlcad`	`I'm guessing that the problem is that the old rage video cards in the old imac don't support some assumed opengl feature.. I'll have to test it tonight now that I have that system back up and running`
`22:12.46`	`brlcad`	`TimRiker: ping`
`22:13.25`	`Patlabor221`	`they don't like stencel`
`22:13.30`	`Patlabor221`	`and some of the texture formats`
`22:13.35`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (SceneRenderer.cxx): applies a fix for sf bug tracker 699227 where a null char pointer is getting dereferenced`
`22:13.50`	`Tupone`	`brlcad: any new about bzfls`
`22:13.51`	`brlcad`	`apparently, this fails for them: const char* renderer = (const char*)glGetString(GL_RENDERER);`
`22:14.02`	`Patlabor221`	`hah`
`22:14.08`	`Patlabor221`	`what a crap driver`
`22:14.13`	`brlcad`	`Tupone: no, just that tim was having trouble getting sqlite installed`
`22:14.31`	`Patlabor221`	`thats a base gl info function`
`22:14.44`	`Patlabor221`	`probalby dosn't even have a full ICD`
`22:14.45`	`Tupone`	`so we should have that lazy perl`
`22:14.54`	`brlcad`	`it has opengl support, so I'm suspecting there's something else going funky too`
`22:14.59`	`Patlabor221`	`all that does is build up the name of the renderer`
`22:15.14`	`Patlabor221`	`does it fail clean, or just crash?`
`22:15.23`	`brlcad`	`NULL pointer returned`
`22:15.39`	`Tupone`	`bzflag now fail starting server. Changed option?`
`22:15.46`	`Patlabor221`	`did you just fill it in with like "unknown renderer" ?`
`22:16.18`	`Patlabor221`	`make it "crap GL driver: get a new card" :)`
`22:16.20`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`I suspect it's the video card in the early imacs. I have one that fails like that, and it's a bondi blue with a CPU upgrade.`
`22:16.36`	`Patlabor221`	`there are a LOT of rage cards out there`
`22:16.42`	`Patlabor221`	`many in laptops`
`22:16.47`	`Patlabor221`	`and those imacs`
`22:17.17`	`brlcad`	`tupone: yes.. no -no and -r options`
`22:17.56`	`brlcad`	`hmm.. apparently glGetString returning 0 is an error.. need to print the error`
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`22:18.56`	`alindeman`	`Is CVS pretty stable?`
`22:19.16`	`purple_cow`	`cvs or the code within cvs?`
`22:19.29`	`alindeman`	`I'm in #bzflag, man :P`
`22:19.44`	`purple_cow`	`well - its a valid question`
`22:19.45`	`purple_cow`	`atm, cvs isn't stable`
`22:19.48`	`purple_cow`	`but the code in it is :)`
`22:19.50`	`alindeman`	`BZFlag's unreleased CVS code`
`22:20.02`	`alindeman`	`purple_cow: heh`
`22:20.06`	`brlcad`	`Here's a possible idea.. the error just might be GL_INVALID_OPERATION.. meaning we're actually between a call to glBegin and glEnd..`
`22:20.23`	`brlcad`	`I did notice the other day that there is an extra glEnd emmitted every so often`
`22:20.27`	`brlcad`	`so the counts are off`
`22:20.57`	`alindeman`	`purple_cow: so if I cvs co bzflag from CVS and compile it, it will be stable?`
`22:21.04`	`alindeman`	`playable :)`
`22:21.11`	`brlcad`	`yes`
`22:21.16`	`alindeman`	`brlcad: awesome`
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`22:21.16`	`Patlabor221`	`it should run`
`22:21.37`	`brlcad`	`we're on 1.9.10 or something now, no?`
`22:22.07`	`Tupone`	`playable yes, but for now, only few will join! most are playing 1.7`
`22:24.33`	`Tupone`	`brlcad: this bug - bzfls seems not to talk the new protocol correctly when testing server: there is no way to get the old text. Has been removed`
`22:25.18`	`brlcad`	`which text?`
`22:25.25`	`Tupone`	`Player [0] shutdownAcceptClient: close(7)`
`22:25.38`	`brlcad`	`ah..`
`22:25.51`	`brlcad`	`okey dokey`
`22:26.01`	`Tupone`	`so I think this is no more applicable as a BUG`
`22:26.04`	`brlcad`	`is "Player [0] on 5 removed: Disconnected" a normal shutdown?`
`22:26.14`	`brlcad`	`if so, it's fixed`
`22:26.48`	`Tupone`	`Player [0] is bzfls`
`22:27.05`	`Tupone`	`when it join, that is the writing in the code`
`22:28.51`	`alindeman`	`Logging in to :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/bzflag`
`22:28.51`	`alindeman`	`CVS password:`
`22:28.51`	`alindeman`	`cvs login: authorization failed: server cvs.sourceforge.net rejected access to /cvsroot/bzflag for user anonymous`
`22:28.57`	`alindeman`	`is sf.net being weird again?`
`22:30.22`	`Tupone`	`alindeman: get the snapshot`
`22:30.30`	`Tupone`	`~snap`
`22:30.44`	`alindeman`	`~+snap`
`22:30.47`	`alindeman`	`hmm`
`22:30.48`	`Tupone`	`see topics`
`22:30.50`	`brlcad`	`~sfsnap`
`22:30.52`		`somebody said sfsnap was http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/`
`22:30.59`	`alindeman`	`danke`
`22:31.27`	`brlcad`	`~snap is <reply> see sfsnap`
`22:31.29`		`brlcad: okay`
`22:31.32`	`brlcad`	`~snap`
`22:31.33`		`it has been said that sfsnap is http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/`
`22:34.59`	`alindeman`	`got it, danke, make'ing now`
`22:37.11`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`I haven't tried anonymous access to bzflag recently, but anonymous access to other projects is working fine.`
`22:37.39`	`brlcad`	`Yea, I think I/we determined last night that bzflag is "special" now.. probably a permissions problem`
`22:37.51`	`brlcad`	`There's a support ticket in for us`
`22:38.16`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`I guess that's something else I can look at in the next week. :)`
`22:38.56`	`brlcad`	`there's not much we can do about it, as sf doesn't provide direct access to the real CVSROOT dir itself`
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`22:39.33`	`brlcad`	`we're supposed to expect about 5 days for them to get to it`
`22:39.55`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`5 days from today, or 5 days from when the ticket was submitted?`
`22:40.10`	`brlcad`	`same thing :)`
`22:40.22`	`brlcad`	`it was done earlier today (like 3am est)`
`22:41.26`	`brlcad`	`here we go`
`22:41.27`	`brlcad`	`http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=841932&group_id=1&atid=200001`
`22:42.03`	`brlcad`	`wow, they're getting about 40 support requests per day`
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`22:57.52`	`purple_cow`	`thats a lot fewer than i'd expect`
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`23:18.29`	`brlcad`	`M-x indent-region`
`23:19.00`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Hooray, someone uses jargon which isn't based on ed. :)`
`23:19.23`	`purple_cow`	`hehe`
`23:20.08`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`!weather Boulder, CO`
`23:20.13`	`Guu`	`TyroneFHornigh: The current temperature in Boulder, Colorado is 52�F. Conditions are Partly Cloudy.`
`23:20.54`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`It doesn't look like it's time to head out there for skiing yet.`
`23:21.03`	`alindeman`	`!weather huntsville, al`
`23:21.06`	`Guu`	`alindeman: The current temperature in Huntsville, Alabama is 46�F. Conditions are Partly Cloudy.`
`23:22.44`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Are you associated with the US space & rocket center down there?`
`23:22.56`	`alindeman`	`I live like 10 miles from it, but I'm not associated with it`
`23:23.36`	`alindeman`	`slight exaggeration, but it's not far :)`
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`23:25.01`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`I visited Huntsville once to install a high speed network for Boeing. I liked the place.`
`23:25.11`	`alindeman`	`Yep, it's cold right now though :)`
`23:25.30`	`alindeman`	`Lots of space stuff going on here`
`23:25.30`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`I'm not planning on moving from here. :)`
`23:25.54`	`alindeman`	`Lots of government contrators too`
`23:26.00`	`alindeman`	`Redstone Arsenal, and all..`
`23:27.20`	`brlcad`	`why is that?`
`23:27.31`	`brlcad`	`why so many gov contractors in Huntsville?`
`23:28.06`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`The space program attracted all of them.`
`23:28.13`	`alindeman`	`There is a military base, and it's one of the major NASA "bases" in the US`
`23:28.38`	`brlcad`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:28.50`	`alindeman`	`It's not just NASA, we have an Army base too`
`23:28.54`	`brlcad`	`ah`
`23:28.55`	`alindeman`	`That's what Redstone is..`
`23:28.57`	`brlcad`	`that'd be it`
`23:28.59`	`brlcad`	`which base?`
`23:29.03`	`alindeman`	`Redstone is host to Army AND NASA`
`23:29.03`	`brlcad`	`ah..`
`23:29.07`	`brlcad`	`I'm paying attention..`
`23:29.10`	`alindeman`	`:)`
`23:29.11`	`brlcad`	`cough`
`23:29.23`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`now turn to your left :)`
`23:29.25`	`alindeman`	`Small Marine population there too, but mostly army`
`23:30.06`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`~shoot brlcad`
`23:30.11`		`ACTION shoots brlcad in the head.`
`23:30.57`	`alindeman`	`libGL error: failed to open DRM: Operation not permitted`
`23:30.59`	`alindeman`	`hmm`
`23:31.31`	`purple_cow`	`alindeman: do the device nodes have the right perms?`
`23:31.38`	`alindeman`	`purple_cow: which would those be?`
`23:31.43`	`alindeman`	`/dev something?`
`23:31.59`	`purple_cow`	`yeah`
`23:32.17`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Have we updated the tag after changing the protocol?`
`23:32.30`	`alindeman`	`purple_cow: ah, it's in XF86Config ?`
`23:32.35`	`alindeman`	`a la http://gatos.sourceforge.net/livid-ati/2001-June/msg00211.html ?`
`23:33.07`	`alindeman`	`oops!`
`23:33.12`	`alindeman`	`it's commented out in my XF86Config`
`23:33.14`	`alindeman`	`bleh`
`23:33.23`	`alindeman`	`brb, X restart`
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`23:39.40`	`alindeman`	`purple_cow: sweet deal, all workie now`
`23:39.58`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Is there a reason why I shouldn't mark the current CVS as 1.10 so we can create test builds that people can use again?`
`23:40.29`	`Tupone`	`can we call 1.9.10 ?`
`23:40.53`	`Tupone`	`don't know if works!`
`23:41.10`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`ok, but right now the test builds on dragon don't connect, so we should probably do something about that.`
`23:41.47`	`brlcad`	`where is the config file on windows?`
`23:41.50`	`brlcad`	`path`
`23:42.01`	`purple_cow`	`isn't it my My Documents?`
`23:42.21`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`"blah blah blah/My documents/bzflag.bzc" or something like that.`
`23:42.31`	`brlcad`	`C:\My Documents\bzflag.bzc then?`
`23:43.00`	`brlcad`	`or C:\My Documents\bzflag.bzc\config ?`
`23:43.23`	`brlcad`	`or something else?`
`23:43.41`	`purple_cow`	`hmm`
`23:43.57`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`Probably should find Pat to get a real answer.`
`23:44.04`	`purple_cow`	`isn't it something like C:\Documents and Settings\user\My Documents?`
`23:44.11`	`purple_cow`	`yes, need to find pat`
`23:44.46`	`brlcad`	`I'm comfortable saying "go your your My Documents folder", but I'm not sure what the structure is from there on`
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`23:48.28`	`Patlabor221`	`????`
`23:48.39`	`Patlabor221`	`the 1.9 configs go in my documents/my bzflag files/`
`23:48.58`	`brlcad`	`My BZFlag Files?`
`23:49.02`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`23:49.14`	`Patlabor221`	`it's the MS way if your gonna have a folder`
`23:49.23`	`Patlabor221`	`since we put multiple things in there`
`23:49.24`	`Patlabor221`	`C:\Documents and Settings\JeffM\My Documents\My Bzflag Files`
`23:49.33`	`brlcad`	`is the config file still called config?`
`23:49.38`	`TyroneFHornigh`	`All hail the M$ way.`
`23:49.42`	`Patlabor221`	`bzflag19.bzc`
`23:50.35`	`Patlabor221`	`it's lame but if ya ever wanted to get XP certifications, then it should go there`
`23:50.37`	`TimRiker`	`what about cache?`
`23:51.09`	`TimRiker`	`with Bzflag instead of the correct BZFlag ?`
`23:51.09`	`Patlabor221`	`it's in there`
`23:51.14`	`Patlabor221`	`C:\Documents and Settings\JeffM\My Documents\My Bzflag Files\cache`
`23:51.19`	`purple_cow`	`TimRiker: same thing ;)`
`23:51.24`	`TimRiker`	`not same thing....`
`23:51.36`	`purple_cow`	`TimRiker: on windows filesystems, they're the same thing`
`23:51.42`	`TimRiker`	`Jeffm same as JeffM ?`
`23:51.48`	`Patlabor221`	`C:\Documents and Settings\JeffM\My Documents\My Bzflag Files\cache\BZFS109Servers.bzs`
`23:51.53`	`Patlabor221`	`to windows, yes`
`23:51.54`	`purple_cow`	`=}`
`23:52.06`	`TimRiker`	`purple_cow: well it just got pasted to a non-windows filsystem.`
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`23:52.17`	`TimRiker`	`if we are creating it, we should do it correctly.`
`23:52.22`	`purple_cow`	`true`
`23:52.31`	`Patlabor221`	`well if ya all want to change it, there is one place that makes the config path, that everyone should be using`
`23:52.45`	`Patlabor221`	`I made the "my bzflag files" change when the *nix stuff was put into a dir`
`23:53.19`	`Patlabor221`	`yes it's for win32 only`
`23:53.32`	`Patlabor221`	`*nix and the 'tosh have there own systems`
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`23:53.50`	`Patlabor221`	`*nix goes into .bzflag/config IIRC`
`23:53.51`	`TimRiker`	`/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: name += "\\My BZFlag Files\\cache"; that on looks correct.`
`23:54.09`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah it's working for me`
`23:54.15`	`Patlabor221`	`I have cahce files and everything`
`23:54.24`	`purple_cow`	`TimRiker: maybe it was just a pebcak error`
`23:54.26`	`TimRiker`	`config is config or not?`
`23:54.43`	`Patlabor221`	`for me its "bzflag19.bzc"`
`23:55.10`	`brlcad`	`pat: not quite.. it's ".bzf/config"`
`23:55.20`	`Patlabor221`	`ahh, wasn't sure`
`23:55.21`	`purple_cow`	`if its in a subdir, 'config' would be more approrpriate :)`
`23:55.23`	`TimRiker`	`./src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: name += "\\My BZFlag Files\\bzflag19.bzc";`
`23:55.24`	`TimRiker`	`./src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: return "bzflag19.bzc";`
`23:55.24`	`Patlabor221`	`was a good guess tho :)`
`23:55.28`	`TimRiker`	`those are wrong.`
`23:55.43`	`brlcad`	`was the guess I was hoping for :)`
`23:56.16`	`TimRiker`	`config.ini would be fine by me.`
`23:56.17`	`brlcad`	`call it config.txt and NotePad'll open it :)`
`23:56.38`	`brlcad`	`not that that's funny ..`
`23:56.54`	`Patlabor221`	`you mean your bzc files don't do that allready? :)`
`23:57.06`	`TimRiker`	`config.txt would also be fine with me. config.ini would be more windowish, no?`
`23:57.21`	`Patlabor221`	`we don't do ini files anymore`
`23:57.23`	`Patlabor221`	`so it don't mater`
`23:57.29`	`brlcad`	`ini files have an implied format`
`23:57.32`	`Patlabor221`	`my win.ini file is empty`
`23:57.35`	`Patlabor221`	`:)`
`23:57.41`	`TimRiker`	`notepad won't open and ini now?`
`23:57.57`	`Patlabor221`	`depeends on the OS`
`23:58.02`	`Patlabor221`	`if it has the reg entry for it`
`23:58.04`	`TimRiker`	`or rather windows explorer won't launch notepad.exe on a .ini ?`
`23:58.19`	`Patlabor221`	`XP will if you hit the "edit" item`
`23:58.24`	`Patlabor221`	`but like 9x probably won't`
`23:58.36`	`TimRiker`	`9x did last I checked.`
`23:58.40`	`Patlabor221`	`k`
`23:58.50`	`Patlabor221`	`but ini does inply a format`
`23:58.59`	`Patlabor221`	`if your gonna do anything do a txt`
`23:59.21`	`TimRiker`	`k. config.txt is fine with me.`
`23:59.34`	`Patlabor221`	`now where was it wrong?`
`23:59.38`	`TimRiker`	`need to have the "My " and " Files" crap?`
`23:59.51`	`Patlabor221`	`it's the windows way`

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