| 00:00.06 | Patlabor221 | if you want to go non standard you can use what ever you want |
| 00:00.08 | TimRiker | but is it required anywhere? |
| 00:00.27 | Patlabor221 | techincaly no |
| 00:00.32 | TyroneFHornigh | There really isn't a reason not to appear as windows users expect us to appear. |
| 00:00.32 | Patlabor221 | just if you want certification |
| 00:00.40 | TimRiker | and also, is it where most users would look for it. |
| 00:00.41 | Patlabor221 | you can make any folder you want :) |
| 00:00.56 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: nod. |
| 00:01.06 | Patlabor221 | well the true windows way is to put user settings in the application data dir |
| 00:01.14 | Patlabor221 | and never edit them by hand |
| 00:01.24 | TimRiker | if that's what users expect I feel sorry for them.... er... then it's ok with me. yeah, that's what I meant to say. |
| 00:01.30 | TyroneFHornigh | What about multiple users of the same machine? |
| 00:01.39 | Patlabor221 | the my docs is just the only writeable folder that is close to the "home" dir that we have |
| 00:01.54 | Patlabor221 | each person gets there own profile dir |
| 00:01.56 | brlcad | is there a windows variable for the current user name? |
| 00:02.01 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:02.05 | brlcad | $USER or something? |
| 00:02.12 | Patlabor221 | but we do NOT have to maintain that in the app |
| 00:02.15 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: if they have different settings, thy wil have different documents directories, yes? |
| 00:02.18 | Patlabor221 | each user has his own app data dir |
| 00:02.26 | brlcad | I need a shell var |
| 00:02.31 | Patlabor221 | and there own my docs |
| 00:02.41 | TyroneFHornigh | I was wondering more about the true windows way of putting "user" settings in the application data dir. |
| 00:02.47 | Patlabor221 | there is an API function to get the profile dir |
| 00:02.51 | alindeman | grr, cheaters.. |
| 00:02.57 | Patlabor221 | TyroneFHornigh: each user has there own app data dir |
| 00:03.04 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: where? |
| 00:03.19 | TimRiker | you me Documents and Settings ? |
| 00:03.36 | TimRiker | s/me/mean/ |
| 00:03.37 | Patlabor221 | dopends most often here : C:\Documents and Settings\JeffM\Application Data |
| 00:03.42 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:03.49 | TyroneFHornigh | brlcad: We'll pin him down for you eventually. :) |
| 00:03.53 | Patlabor221 | it's where your desktop and stuff reside |
| 00:04.07 | Patlabor221 | it COULD even be on a remote machine |
| 00:04.15 | Patlabor221 | so thats why you should callt he API |
| 00:04.39 | TimRiker | I'm fine with there if it works on all win* versions. if not, one that always works would be better. |
| 00:04.39 | Patlabor221 | the correct place would be C:\Documents and Settings\JeffM\Application Data\BZflag\1.9\config.txt |
| 00:04.46 | TyroneFHornigh | So perhaps a C:\Documents and Settings\JeffM\Application Data\BZFlag\ directory might be the right answer, with an appropriate API to actually change everything. |
| 00:05.08 | Patlabor221 | the API call is there one all windows versions, for versions that don't support user profiles, it goes to a common folder |
| 00:05.26 | Patlabor221 | we just got done converting our app to use those dirs |
| 00:05.35 | TimRiker | that's fine with me. |
| 00:05.45 | Patlabor221 | the user may not have write perms outside there profile ether |
| 00:05.49 | Patlabor221 | if they are a limited user |
| 00:05.51 | TyroneFHornigh | I was more concerned about changing the values within the config file, since right now there isn't a way to edit the email setting. |
| 00:06.19 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: add it to the gui someplace. |
| 00:06.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah on all windows apps your asumed to have a method to edit everything with out opeing a file |
| 00:06.23 | brlcad | Hey, then i'd be jelous.. if windows actually gets to use a non geekified path like |
| 00:06.32 | Patlabor221 | my documents is really for true "documents" |
| 00:07.14 | Patlabor221 | I'll look into making the change this weekend, need to change the API call from GetSpecialFolder |
| 00:07.55 | Patlabor221 | there is probably a call like GetCurentUser also |
| 00:09.35 | brlcad | I'm not in code.. |
| 00:10.06 | TyroneFHornigh | There is a problem with BZDB and the config file for the email line. setting email to null is interpreted as the default setting, so it goes and trys to create an email for you. |
| 00:10.12 | *** part/#bzflag alindeman (~alindeman@user-69-1-14-115.knology.net) |
| 00:10.43 | Patlabor221 | so set it to "NA" :) |
| 00:11.12 | TimRiker | TyroneFHornigh: or anonymous |
| 00:11.48 | TyroneFHornigh | and then we can never have those as entries in the email line if someone wants to use it for a team name. |
| 00:12.09 | TyroneFHornigh | If the line exists in the config file, we shouldn't try to create a default email. |
| 00:12.45 | BZFlag | or チャンピオン |
| 00:13.04 | TyroneFHornigh | завтрак второй |
| 00:13.13 | BZFlag | ~x jp en チャンピオン |
| 00:14.30 | BZFlag | ~ru en завтрак второй |
| 00:14.40 | BZFlag | ~x ru en завтрак второй |
| 00:14.47 | BZFlag | huh? |
| 00:15.29 | TimRiker | is that like wheaties or something? |
| 00:15.47 | TyroneFHornigh | it's like lunch :) |
| 00:15.59 | TimRiker | ~x en ru brunch |
| 00:16.12 | TyroneFHornigh | ~x en ru champion |
| 00:16.12 | TimRiker | heh |
| 00:16.29 | TyroneFHornigh | ~x ru en ЧЕМПИОН |
| 00:16.50 | TyroneFHornigh | one way translation :) |
| 00:16.53 | TimRiker | hmm babelfish does ru->en but not en->ru |
| 00:17.29 | TyroneFHornigh | Luckily I know a bzflag player/native russian speaker |
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| 00:24.11 | Patlabor221 | to make this clean I'm gonna add 2 more files to /win32 |
| 00:24.31 | TyroneFHornigh | ~mop Patlabor221 |
| 00:24.34 | | ACTION get's a mop and cleans up after Patlabor221 |
| 00:24.43 | Patlabor221 | actualy you'll never see it :) |
| 00:25.04 | TyroneFHornigh | true, I'm going to have ibot take care of it. :) |
| 00:25.27 | Patlabor221 | just puts all the ugly windows fallback code into it's own file and the app can call GetSpecialDirectory |
| 00:26.22 | Patlabor221 | gices access to the folowing dirs |
| 00:26.24 | Patlabor221 | eDesktop,//CSIDL_DESKTOP |
| 00:26.24 | Patlabor221 | eProgramFiles,//CSIDL_PROGRAMS |
| 00:26.24 | Patlabor221 | eStartup,//CSIDL_STARTUP |
| 00:26.24 | Patlabor221 | eStartMenu,//CSIDL_STARTMENU |
| 00:26.24 | Patlabor221 | eDesktopDir,//CSIDL_DESKTOPDIRECTORY |
| 00:26.26 | Patlabor221 | eCommonStartMenu,//CSIDL_COMMON_STARTMENU |
| 00:26.28 | Patlabor221 | eCommonPrograms,//CSIDL_COMMON_PROGRAMS |
| 00:26.30 | Patlabor221 | eCommonStartup,//CSIDL_COMMON_STARTUP |
| 00:26.32 | Patlabor221 | eCommonDesktopDir,//CSIDL_COMMON_DESKTOPDIRECTORY |
| 00:26.34 | Patlabor221 | eAppData,//CSIDL_APPDATA |
| 00:26.36 | Patlabor221 | eCommonAppData,//CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA |
| 00:26.39 | Patlabor221 | eMyDocuments,//CSIDL_PERSONAL |
| 00:26.40 | Patlabor221 | eCommonDocs//CSIDL_COMMON_DOCUMENTS |
| 00:30.57 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (menus.cxx): bzfs start again from bzflag: removed option -r |
| 01:00.14 | *** part/#bzflag orchid (~bzgirl@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
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| 01:03.46 | *** part/#bzflag TSWoodV (~TSWoodV@216.230.39.168) |
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| 01:10.30 | Big_Barrel | anyone here want a match ? |
| 01:17.21 | Big_Barrel | noodleman...you want a match:? |
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| 01:17.47 | Big_Barrel | ~ducati6 |
| 01:18.31 | Big_Barrel | ~d |
| 01:18.50 | Big_Barrel | ~ping d |
| 01:18.53 | | pong d |
| 01:19.07 | Big_Barrel | anyone know the ip for ducati? |
| 01:19.55 | trepan | looks lke: 141.99.42.48 |
| 01:25.05 | brlcad | I see that they are dorking with our sf cvs again |
| 01:25.11 | brlcad | can't commit |
| 01:26.08 | Bagheera | !dict dorking |
| 01:26.09 | Guu | Bagheera: Error: 'dict' is not a valid command. |
| 01:26.16 | Bagheera | ~dict dorking |
| 01:26.24 | brlcad | hah |
| 01:27.12 | brlcad | i either get a key exchange error, or it prompts me for a password that I cannot appease |
| 01:27.16 | brlcad | foo |
| 01:27.20 | brlcad | just finished the filtering doc too |
| 01:28.29 | Bagheera | cold filter? |
| 01:29.44 | brlcad | cold? |
| 01:30.36 | Bagheera | cold filtered, that is |
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| 01:33.01 | brlcad | damn.. you beat me home, jb |
| 01:33.21 | JBDiGriz | I was driving, and I live close to the company :) |
| 01:33.29 | brlcad | ah |
| 01:33.37 | JBDiGriz | sourceforge isn't letting me login. |
| 01:33.37 | brlcad | that's gotta be nice for where you are |
| 01:33.42 | brlcad | yea, me too |
| 01:33.45 | brlcad | I was just bitching |
| 01:33.46 | JBDiGriz | It has been up until today. |
| 01:34.04 | brlcad | i suspect it's someone there poking our account due to the ticket |
| 01:34.16 | JBDiGriz | Now I have to find a new contract, although there is a possibility already. |
| 01:36.21 | JBDiGriz | So I won't start playing around with the new version of 1.9 until they're done. |
| 01:36.32 | brlcad | they? |
| 01:36.41 | JBDiGriz | sourceforge |
| 01:36.43 | brlcad | ah |
| 01:36.44 | brlcad | yes |
| 01:37.39 | brlcad | heh,.. the web viewing interface works now |
| 01:37.40 | Tupone | hi brlcad |
| 01:37.44 | brlcad | hi tupone |
| 01:37.57 | brlcad | so they fix one thing and break another .. |
| 01:38.03 | Tupone | have you got a new client? |
| 01:38.17 | brlcad | yay.. just worked |
| 01:38.18 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc (Filtering.txt): completed initial filtering document |
| 01:38.31 | brlcad | I think we might be "fixed" |
| 01:39.31 | Tupone | hey, I don't know what to fix :) Time x release! |
| 01:39.45 | brlcad | heh. |
| 01:40.06 | Tupone | Sure, I have something, but it's too much |
| 01:40.11 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:40.32 | Tupone | wanna try the 2 pyramids? |
| 01:40.37 | brlcad | I have something too.. since you've all through the intersection code already.. could fix the expansion bug where you get stuck :) |
| 01:41.19 | Tupone | I was reallt thinking at that when I say it was too much |
| 01:42.06 | brlcad | hah :) |
| 01:42.34 | brlcad | hrm.. can't checkout from cvs to build a 1.9 |
| 01:43.10 | Tupone | I can |
| 01:43.34 | Tupone | I see your doc/Filtering.txt |
| 01:43.50 | brlcad | i can update, cannot checkout |
| 01:44.00 | Tupone | IC |
| 01:44.08 | brlcad | my build is almost done anyways.. almost time to go home |
| 01:44.23 | Tupone | still at work? |
| 01:44.27 | brlcad | yes |
| 01:44.51 | Tupone | omg |
| 01:45.05 | brlcad | ah.. I was trying the wrong machine.. needed cvs.sf.net |
| 01:45.41 | brlcad | i wonder how long it will take to build in xcode.. |
| 01:45.53 | Tupone | what is xcode? |
| 01:46.31 | brlcad | it's the new mac os x build environment like visual studio |
| 01:46.37 | brlcad | but much better |
| 01:46.39 | brlcad | :) |
| 01:47.17 | brlcad | it allows me to use all of the mac machines here in the lab to do a compile.. distributed builds |
| 01:47.34 | Tupone | dont'use autotool? |
| 01:49.33 | Bagheera | i bow to your mac-ness |
| 01:59.30 | brlcad | jb and i actually set it up so that it runs configure to generate the config.h file, but it doesn't have to use make (but make works) |
| 02:02.20 | brlcad | tupone, i cannot connect to your server |
| 02:02.39 | Tupone | your client is new! |
| 02:02.59 | Tupone | ? |
| 02:03.24 | Tupone | pyramid |
| 02:03.24 | Tupone | position 50.0 50.0 0.0 |
| 02:03.24 | Tupone | rotation 45.0 |
| 02:03.24 | Tupone | size 2.0 2.0 3.0 |
| 02:03.26 | Tupone | end |
| 02:03.28 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.30 | Tupone | pyramid |
| 02:03.32 | Tupone | position 50.0 50.0 4.0 |
| 02:03.34 | Tupone | rotation 45.0 |
| 02:03.36 | Tupone | size 10.0 10.0 10.0 |
| 02:03.38 | Tupone | end |
| 02:03.40 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.42 | Tupone | world |
| 02:03.44 | Tupone | size 100 |
| 02:03.46 | Tupone | end |
| 02:03.48 | Tupone | can you get this world? |
| 02:04.00 | brlcad | sure |
| 02:07.05 | brlcad | okay ready |
| 02:07.09 | brlcad | on playground |
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| 02:28.47 | JBDiGriz | hiya |
| 02:28.58 | JBDiGriz | off to test the new build. |
| 02:32.24 | brlcad | hiya wobbly |
| 02:33.28 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/obstacle (Intersect.cxx): fix vc for var reuse yada yada |
| 02:33.40 | wobbly_carrot | yo |
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| 02:34.59 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/obstacle (PyramidBuilding.cxx): bad routine called |
| 02:35.22 | Tupone | brlcad: there is still some problem but better to verify |
| 02:36.02 | Bagheera | no bryjen, eh |
| 02:36.07 | TyroneFHornigh | I joined as auto, and the client crashed on me. |
| 02:36.09 | Bagheera | ~seen bryjen |
| 02:36.10 | | bryjen <bryjen@ky-owensboro1a-242.owboky.adelphia.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 22h 40m 31s ago, saying: 'KR: rm /usr/share/bzflag/Makefile*'. |
| 02:37.06 | Bagheera | anybody have admin on byjen's site.../? |
| 02:37.37 | Tupone | brlcad: no good! I'll put the code as before my "fix". |
| 02:40.04 | wobbly_carrot | brb |
| 02:41.37 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/obstacle (PyramidBuilding.cxx): putting back in the old old status. Should look deeper |
| 02:42.33 | Tupone | gnite all, have a good playing |
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| 02:59.16 | Big_Barrel | match anyone??? |
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| 03:18.31 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
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| 03:43.13 | wobbly_carrot | It's Tim! |
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| 03:46.30 | wobbly_carrot | too many toos |
| 03:46.51 | Patlabor221 | checking out new x chat |
| 03:47.02 | Patlabor221 | can't seem to see how to bring up the user list |
| 03:47.04 | wobbly_carrot | after 2..0.4? |
| 03:47.18 | Patlabor2221 | 2.0.5b |
| 03:47.21 | wobbly_carrot | mm |
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| 03:49.11 | Patlabor2221 | ahh there it is, it's shirnky dink |
| 03:49.34 | Patlabor2221 | and proper right mouse menus on the second monitor, looks like it's a kepper :) |
| 03:49.46 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 03:50.06 | patlabor221 | ooo and visual styles stick to it, even better :) |
| 03:51.36 | patlabor221 | did you ever try anon cvs on asgard? instead of ssh? |
| 03:54.16 | wobbly_carrot | umm no |
| 03:54.22 | wobbly_carrot | what is it again? |
| 03:54.35 | patlabor221 | just use asgard.bakadigital.com |
| 03:54.38 | patlabor221 | and /cvsroot |
| 03:54.43 | patlabor221 | then do it just like BZ |
| 03:54.54 | patlabor221 | but get project24 instead of bzflag |
| 03:56.14 | wobbly_carrot | ' from cvs serverning: unrecognized response `anonymous@asgard.bakadigital.com's password: |
| 03:56.14 | wobbly_carrot | cvs checkout: warning: unrecognized response `This account is currently not available.' from cvs ser |
| 03:56.14 | wobbly_carrot | ver |
| 03:56.14 | wobbly_carrot | cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 03:56.36 | patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 03:56.37 | patlabor221 | odd |
| 03:56.49 | patlabor221 | I will have to consult the gurus thne |
| 04:00.38 | patlabor221 | what kind of library? |
| 04:01.52 | wobbly_carrot | sdl |
| 04:02.04 | patlabor221 | SDL built fine for me |
| 04:02.08 | patlabor221 | but they also make bins |
| 04:02.19 | wobbly_carrot | where are the dsw/dsps? |
| 04:02.27 | patlabor221 | int eh VisualC zip |
| 04:02.33 | wobbly_carrot | yeah, where's that |
| 04:02.35 | wobbly_carrot | i read that too |
| 04:02.39 | wobbly_carrot | but i have no such zip |
| 04:02.43 | patlabor221 | in the root of CVS |
| 04:02.49 | wobbly_carrot | sigh |
| 04:02.57 | wobbly_carrot | i just downloaded the dev zip |
| 04:03.06 | patlabor221 | the libs or the source? |
| 04:03.10 | patlabor221 | they should be there |
| 04:03.15 | wobbly_carrot | the libs i guess |
| 04:03.24 | patlabor221 | then you don't need to build |
| 04:03.32 | patlabor221 | all you need is libs, dlls and headers |
| 04:03.34 | patlabor221 | to use it |
| 04:03.58 | patlabor221 | does it have a /src dir? |
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| 04:07.38 | wobbly_carrot | no |
| 04:07.47 | patlabor221 | then that aint' source |
| 04:07.55 | patlabor221 | I'm uploading my CVS all ziped for ya |
| 04:07.57 | wobbly_carrot | ya, i got it |
| 04:08.03 | wobbly_carrot | ok |
| 04:08.32 | patlabor221 | perhaps help with the small pipe ya got there :) |
| 04:08.42 | patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/SLD1.2.zip |
| 04:09.06 | patlabor221 | whoops |
| 04:09.21 | patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/SDL1.2.zip |
| 04:09.55 | patlabor221 | thats CVS as of 3 min ago |
| 04:11.08 | wobbly_carrot | thanks |
| 04:13.07 | wobbly_carrot | do you use multithreaded dll versions of the std libs? |
| 04:13.12 | wobbly_carrot | getting link errors |
| 04:13.23 | patlabor221 | dll |
| 04:13.31 | wobbly_carrot | multi or single? |
| 04:14.12 | wobbly_carrot | ah there we go |
| 04:14.13 | wobbly_carrot | multi |
| 04:14.23 | wobbly_carrot | SDLInit/SDLTerm works!! woowowo |
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| 04:17.18 | patlabor221 | SDL does rock |
| 04:17.50 | patlabor221 | it just plain works |
| 04:18.17 | patlabor221 | cept for the mouse wheel, there implemenation of that is kinda sucky |
| 04:19.17 | patlabor221 | there should be STL ports of some of the good GL tutorials as well |
| 04:19.30 | patlabor221 | so you don't have to use "shudder" glut |
| 04:21.37 | patlabor221 | ooooo, in VC7.1 you can make all the side doc windows, "pinable" and then theyfly out when you hover over the tabs |
| 04:26.52 | Big_Barrel | match anyone? |
| 04:27.24 | |tim| | 0.o |
| 04:36.18 | Big_Barrel | learner??? u comming? |
| 04:36.24 | Big_Barrel | your teamate is waiting |
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| 04:36.49 | Carnage_ | hi |
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| 05:15.54 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org || beta builds http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds || http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs470ta/labs || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || brand-new list server for 1.9 is on http://db.bzflag.org/db/ || Let no good idea go unpunished |
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| 05:19.07 | patlabor221 | you can swig that stuff? |
| 05:21.00 | wobbly_carrot | so pat, if you would, tell me what you don't like about the bz gl system (in english) |
| 05:21.59 | patlabor221 | the way lists are handled, and the way the state is tracked |
| 05:22.13 | patlabor221 | and the fact that it does no texture management |
| 05:22.16 | patlabor221 | just load and go |
| 05:22.18 | wobbly_carrot | wait i said in engrish |
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| 05:27.42 | patlabor221 | 7 years ago before cards with fast textureing became comonplace |
| 05:27.48 | wobbly_carrot | so are you saying that we shouldn't glow the shots? |
| 05:27.48 | patlabor221 | now there are better ways to do it |
| 05:27.54 | patlabor221 | we should |
| 05:28.02 | patlabor221 | but more then that, glow EVERYTHING |
| 05:28.05 | patlabor221 | use real lights |
| 05:28.13 | patlabor221 | ether lightmaps, or stencels |
| 05:28.20 | patlabor221 | then it would look pimp |
| 05:28.46 | wobbly_carrot | are you still limited to 8 lites? |
| 05:28.54 | patlabor221 | not if you do your own lighting |
| 05:28.57 | wobbly_carrot | ah |
| 05:29.17 | patlabor221 | or even use those 8 lights in a difrent way |
| 05:29.32 | wobbly_carrot | and lightmaps just overlay textures? |
| 05:29.33 | patlabor221 | you could make it so that you could use no more then 8 light sources for any one object |
| 05:29.45 | patlabor221 | it's a modulaion thing, not really an overlay |
| 05:29.56 | wobbly_carrot | right |
| 05:29.56 | patlabor221 | there are LOTS of lighting methods |
| 05:30.06 | patlabor221 | if the card had shaders then there are ways to do it with that |
| 05:30.46 | patlabor221 | but that's way later down the road |
| 05:31.01 | patlabor221 | just being able to load up textures as needed and free rarely used ones would be a bonus |
| 05:31.01 | wobbly_carrot | so would you only keep one box/pyramid i a display list and just reuse it over and over for drawing the scene? |
| 05:31.16 | patlabor221 | you could use a list |
| 05:31.23 | patlabor221 | you could reuse the lights |
| 05:31.32 | patlabor221 | or you could make multiple passes |
| 05:31.45 | patlabor221 | fill rate has gone thru the roof :) |
| 05:31.47 | wobbly_carrot | so your saying we just load up a few textures in the beginning and then treat them like globals? |
| 05:31.59 | patlabor221 | it would be nice if this was all NOT tied to the base rendering system |
| 05:32.17 | patlabor221 | so that multiple renderers could be used based on your hardware |
| 05:32.44 | patlabor221 | like one that does jack for chestal and the sofites, and one that goes to town for people like me and captain_proton who have real hardware. |
| 05:33.22 | patlabor221 | depending on what you want to support there may be some optimisations in the way you store the world data that could help it out |
| 05:33.38 | patlabor221 | so it would be nice if it wasn't all tried to be done in the same engine |
| 05:33.58 | wobbly_carrot | when we draw do we just blindly draw all polygons, or do we cull ourselves? |
| 05:34.48 | patlabor221 | we cull each object to the frustum |
| 05:34.53 | patlabor221 | one at a time |
| 05:35.04 | patlabor221 | that's why it's so slow with a lot of objects |
| 05:35.06 | patlabor221 | no grouping |
| 05:35.14 | wobbly_carrot | thats what BSP trees do? |
| 05:35.22 | patlabor221 | they can be used for that |
| 05:35.32 | patlabor221 | tho a grid or a quadtree may be better for BZ |
| 05:35.47 | patlabor221 | the common use of BSPs can split |
| 05:35.54 | wobbly_carrot | so you tag each object as belonging to some grid? |
| 05:35.54 | patlabor221 | yeah it needs SOMETHING |
| 05:36.03 | patlabor221 | even if it's just nested spheres or cubes |
| 05:36.05 | learner | *anything* would do it wonders |
| 05:36.08 | patlabor221 | thats one way |
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| 05:36.10 | patlabor221 | a simple way |
| 05:36.20 | patlabor221 | then you know if a grid is not visible all things in it are not |
| 05:36.29 | patlabor221 | helps cut down the tests |
| 05:36.37 | wobbly_carrot | gotcha |
| 05:36.43 | patlabor221 | you need some way to high road out objects |
| 05:36.44 | learner | a bsp or quad is probably best, once it starts getting some better geometry support |
| 05:36.53 | wobbly_carrot | i see the group thing |
| 05:37.06 | patlabor221 | bsps can split tiangles a lot so they are not allways best |
| 05:37.08 | wobbly_carrot | that would seem to be relatively easy even if we just had a manual group object |
| 05:37.13 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 05:37.17 | patlabor221 | I wanted to add that |
| 05:37.24 | wobbly_carrot | me too |
| 05:37.28 | wobbly_carrot | i even had a patch for it |
| 05:37.30 | patlabor221 | but we didn't send comments to the client |
| 05:37.33 | wobbly_carrot | at one point |
| 05:37.54 | learner | no, bsp just to partition up the objects themselves |
| 05:37.55 | patlabor221 | that would speed up the rendering a lot |
| 05:38.03 | learner | use bounding boxes |
| 05:38.08 | patlabor221 | yes learner that would not split anything |
| 05:38.14 | learner | then let each object draw itself |
| 05:38.20 | patlabor221 | but who wants to stick with boxes :) |
| 05:38.25 | patlabor221 | or even "objects" :) |
| 05:38.30 | learner | we don't have complex objects, so it's not a problem |
| 05:38.38 | patlabor221 | no not yet |
| 05:38.42 | learner | we're not even "close" |
| 05:38.43 | wobbly_carrot | pat if not objects, .. |
| 05:38.55 | patlabor221 | there are other more freeform ways to define worlds |
| 05:39.12 | patlabor221 | quake style BSPs, portals, terain engines and the like |
| 05:39.27 | patlabor221 | winged edge stuff |
| 05:39.34 | patlabor221 | scanlines "diamond" thing |
| 05:40.16 | patlabor221 | you just need to look at what kind of worlds you want to make and then what method fits it best |
| 05:40.20 | patlabor221 | and is the best to edit |
| 05:40.40 | patlabor221 | bsps and portals work well for indoor stuff |
| 05:40.40 | wobbly_carrot | well, i still think the flat in z approach is most playable |
| 05:40.50 | learner | I'd love just a basic set of primitives and boolean operations with multiresolution geometry |
| 05:40.51 | patlabor221 | it's the simplest |
| 05:41.05 | learner | can do just about anything with that |
| 05:41.08 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 05:41.23 | patlabor221 | tho often the models made by those booleans are not optimal |
| 05:41.25 | patlabor221 | mesh wise |
| 05:41.42 | patlabor221 | when you have to keep subtracking just to get a little lip on something |
| 05:41.42 | learner | all depends on the tesselator |
| 05:41.44 | learner | :) |
| 05:41.45 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 05:41.57 | patlabor221 | don't use the one in parasolid :) |
| 05:41.59 | patlabor221 | it sucks |
| 05:42.04 | learner | hehe, I know |
| 05:42.13 | learner | so does ours :/ |
| 05:42.32 | learner | but then.. "we don't do triangles" really |
| 05:42.43 | patlabor221 | surface patches? |
| 05:42.50 | learner | niet |
| 05:43.05 | learner | we are one of the few remaining pure csg modellers |
| 05:43.06 | wobbly_carrot | i think the center/size/rotation paradym is bad |
| 05:43.21 | wobbly_carrot | as opposed to point tuples |
| 05:43.23 | patlabor221 | that's how open GL wants it |
| 05:43.31 | patlabor221 | no mater what you do you need to get it back into that |
| 05:43.37 | patlabor221 | but there could be other ways to do it |
| 05:43.48 | patlabor221 | if your gonna stick with the "stuff on a plane" idea |
| 05:43.51 | wobbly_carrot | well, I think bz could use a triangle primitive |
| 05:43.58 | wobbly_carrot | that doesn't really fit into center/size/rotation |
| 05:44.02 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 05:44.10 | patlabor221 | then how do you group those? |
| 05:44.17 | patlabor221 | we don't want to test every single triangle |
| 05:44.33 | patlabor221 | that gets slow |
| 05:44.48 | wobbly_carrot | how is that slower than boxes? |
| 05:44.55 | trepan | makes object group, with associated maximal distances |
| 05:44.57 | patlabor221 | how many triangles are in a box? |
| 05:45.10 | wobbly_carrot | huh? |
| 05:45.18 | patlabor221 | how many triangles are in a box? |
| 05:45.24 | wobbly_carrot | i'm saying a 2-1/2d triangle |
| 05:45.31 | patlabor221 | I know |
| 05:45.32 | wobbly_carrot | triangle in x-y plane, extruded in z |
| 05:45.36 | patlabor221 | ohh |
| 05:45.44 | patlabor221 | so flat on top? |
| 05:45.46 | wobbly_carrot | yes |
| 05:45.47 | trepan | like wedges? |
| 05:45.50 | wobbly_carrot | yes |
| 05:45.51 | patlabor221 | ahh |
| 05:45.56 | wobbly_carrot | then you could tesselate anything |
| 05:45.58 | patlabor221 | I think it should have cylinders too |
| 05:46.02 | wobbly_carrot | pat yes |
| 05:46.05 | patlabor221 | well any 2d shape |
| 05:46.09 | trepan | how about arcs? |
| 05:46.10 | wobbly_carrot | yes |
| 05:46.25 | wobbly_carrot | but triangle wedges don't fit the center/size/rotation paradigm |
| 05:46.27 | patlabor221 | an arc is no a polyhedra |
| 05:46.29 | learner | there are other optimal ways to compute intersections with a 3/4/5/6/7/8-sided polyhedra |
| 05:46.32 | patlabor221 | they can |
| 05:47.00 | patlabor221 | how you define them is irelivant MAC, the big thing is how you draw them |
| 05:47.08 | patlabor221 | sure you can make the map reader take any data |
| 05:47.20 | wobbly_carrot | pat, perhaps, but it would be painful to create worlds by hand with them |
| 05:47.25 | patlabor221 | that's just "fluf" as far as the engine is concerned |
| 05:47.33 | patlabor221 | yes, complex worlds are hard to make |
| 05:47.46 | wobbly_carrot | (x,y,z) lists would be much easier imo |
| 05:47.59 | patlabor221 | so make the world out of extruded polyhedra |
| 05:48.02 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 05:48.09 | patlabor221 | actualy polygons |
| 05:48.12 | wobbly_carrot | yes |
| 05:48.15 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 05:48.23 | patlabor221 | you still need to group the things :) |
| 05:48.26 | wobbly_carrot | yes |
| 05:48.34 | patlabor221 | and collide with them |
| 05:48.40 | wobbly_carrot | a polyhedra is a group made up of triangle wedges |
| 05:48.44 | learner | I think optimially, the world would be a set of primitives (sphere, boxes, etc that can be grouped to form particular objects) -- that's the most space compact and allows for huge worlds and high speed intersection tests and space partitioning |
| 05:48.55 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 05:48.58 | wobbly_carrot | yes |
| 05:49.01 | trepan | yup |
| 05:49.06 | wobbly_carrot | concensus! |
| 05:49.14 | wobbly_carrot | where's bz's baby book? |
| 05:49.20 | patlabor221 | a "polygon" object would not be that far out of the current system |
| 05:49.27 | learner | you can preprocess the objects upon server startup, or use multi-representation methods to give efficient triangle representations |
| 05:49.33 | patlabor221 | tho if it was concave, colliding with it is a pain in the ass |
| 05:49.44 | wobbly_carrot | thus the tesselation to triangles |
| 05:49.49 | patlabor221 | leaner, we arn't even hiting polygon limits |
| 05:49.54 | trepan | split concave objects up |
| 05:50.04 | patlabor221 | wobbly_carrot: you can't teselate triangles |
| 05:50.09 | learner | then you can simply have objects render themselves at different resolution levels depending on where the are in the view |
| 05:50.14 | patlabor221 | who splits them? the user or the engine? |
| 05:50.18 | wobbly_carrot | tesselate concave to tris |
| 05:50.24 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 05:50.26 | patlabor221 | that is one way |
| 05:50.29 | wobbly_carrot | not the user |
| 05:50.34 | patlabor221 | or just make a robust collision algo |
| 05:50.37 | wobbly_carrot | the user just draws polygons |
| 05:50.38 | patlabor221 | cus the current one sucks |
| 05:51.01 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 05:51.04 | patlabor221 | so hook it up |
| 05:51.09 | trepan | something more generic, separation axis test style? |
| 05:51.11 | patlabor221 | then get to grouping |
| 05:51.25 | patlabor221 | huh? |
| 05:51.43 | wobbly_carrot | grouping with polygons->triangles would be enough |
| 05:51.50 | trepan | collision detection theorem for complex polyhedra |
| 05:51.53 | wobbly_carrot | although the current pyramid sort of breaks the model |
| 05:51.55 | patlabor221 | don't think about triangles |
| 05:52.00 | patlabor221 | just think about objects |
| 05:52.16 | patlabor221 | if each object knows how to draw itsef it will take it'sef to real triangles at the end |
| 05:52.19 | trepan | another question, do you composed with tetrahedrons, or just plain triangle surfaces |
| 05:52.21 | wobbly_carrot | yes |
| 05:52.37 | patlabor221 | trepan: what are you talking about? |
| 05:52.43 | learner | yea, because the game doesn't want/need triangles -- it needs real objects to properly compute collisions, etc |
| 05:52.48 | wobbly_carrot | the author draws worlds with arbitrary polygons |
| 05:52.48 | trepan | tetrahedron representaiton might make the collision detection easier |
| 05:52.57 | learner | the rendinger engine is the only thing that wants triangles |
| 05:53.06 | patlabor221 | a reall collission library would make collisions easyer |
| 05:53.19 | patlabor221 | you should not punish the world devs just cus you want to make collisions easyer |
| 05:53.19 | trepan | ya, tetras with visible triangles that are marked |
| 05:53.24 | patlabor221 | that's a back end task |
| 05:53.38 | patlabor221 | don't design the end before the start :) |
| 05:53.46 | trepan | patlabor221: yup, agree |
| 05:53.52 | learner | with jb |
| 05:53.55 | patlabor221 | wobbly_carrot: are they still in the world "box" ? |
| 05:54.18 | wobbly_carrot | i supoose the world can be a polygon as well |
| 05:54.19 | patlabor221 | and can they assign textures to any object? |
| 05:54.32 | wobbly_carrot | i would like that |
| 05:54.49 | patlabor221 | to any side of any object? |
| 05:55.00 | wobbly_carrot | uh, that might be overkill |
| 05:55.00 | trepan | is there a texture repository? (avoid crass pictures) |
| 05:55.02 | patlabor221 | its your dream you can do what ever you want? |
| 05:55.04 | wobbly_carrot | but you would know better |
| 05:55.33 | patlabor221 | actualy your wold system is orders of magnitues simpler then anything made today so nothing is overkill :) |
| 05:55.52 | wobbly_carrot | heh |
| 05:56.12 | patlabor221 | you still have to come up with a visibility scheeme |
| 05:56.24 | patlabor221 | you don't want to test every polygon |
| 05:56.44 | wobbly_carrot | well i'd assume that there'd be a whole lot less polygons now |
| 05:56.52 | wobbly_carrot | (author polygons) |
| 05:57.00 | patlabor221 | not really, people would just make more detailed stuff |
| 05:57.01 | trepan | occlusion testing, object vs. frustum should remove da lot |
| 05:57.03 | patlabor221 | don't stop halfway |
| 05:57.09 | patlabor221 | trepan: we do that now |
| 05:57.14 | patlabor221 | it's slow |
| 05:57.19 | patlabor221 | you can't brute force it |
| 05:57.19 | trepan | object, or just primitives? |
| 05:57.27 | patlabor221 | what is the dif? |
| 05:57.34 | patlabor221 | we only have object primitives |
| 05:57.51 | patlabor221 | in MACs system a current "BOX" is just a 4 sided polygon |
| 05:57.56 | trepan | i thought we were talking about a new system |
| 05:57.57 | wobbly_carrot | yes |
| 05:58.08 | patlabor221 | you still don't want to test every single one |
| 05:58.24 | trepan | oh, my bad, an entirely 2d thing... |
| 05:58.26 | wobbly_carrot | well i agree that grouping is desired |
| 05:58.28 | patlabor221 | you want a fast way to say "hey that 1/2 of the map is behind me" |
| 05:58.36 | patlabor221 | then ditch it |
| 05:58.52 | trepan | patlabor221: ya, group the primitives into localized objects, and then frustum test 'em |
| 05:58.54 | patlabor221 | cus that 1/2 of the map could have hundreds of objects to test |
| 05:59.04 | patlabor221 | who does the grouping? |
| 05:59.08 | patlabor221 | the end user? |
| 05:59.11 | trepan | user or algo |
| 05:59.22 | wobbly_carrot | certainly the author can |
| 05:59.24 | patlabor221 | or why not the system do it based on spacialness |
| 05:59.31 | trepan | algo wouldn't be that hard i wouldn't think |
| 05:59.38 | patlabor221 | there are MANY algos |
| 05:59.54 | trepan | yup, "spacialness" algo then |
| 05:59.54 | patlabor221 | octree would be simplest |
| 06:00.10 | trepan | either way, group and test |
| 06:00.25 | patlabor221 | the first thing in BZ then would be to break out the world renderer into it's onw thing |
| 06:00.39 | patlabor221 | not have it mushed up with the rest of the code |
| 06:00.44 | trepan | that would be nice |
| 06:00.45 | wobbly_carrot | ok |
| 06:00.58 | patlabor221 | the game shuld just say "draw the world from this view" |
| 06:01.09 | patlabor221 | or "gimie all the things that intersect this thing" |
| 06:01.26 | patlabor221 | and return some abstract "collision" and "object" data |
| 06:01.57 | patlabor221 | game logic should not care about graphcs |
| 06:02.07 | trepan | ditto |
| 06:02.09 | patlabor221 | unlike now where ShotStrat loads all the textures |
| 06:02.59 | wobbly_carrot | hmmm, i assume extruded splines would be too slow? |
| 06:03.11 | patlabor221 | the p24 worlds are an exension of what you just come up with MAC |
| 06:03.21 | patlabor221 | not nesisarlay |
| 06:03.29 | patlabor221 | you could tesliate in a prepass |
| 06:03.36 | patlabor221 | or based on distance |
| 06:03.37 | trepan | i'd say go full 3D flexible if anyone is going to tackle this |
| 06:03.39 | wobbly_carrot | pre-runtime? |
| 06:03.49 | patlabor221 | a runtime prepass |
| 06:03.54 | patlabor221 | trepan: that changes gameplay |
| 06:03.57 | patlabor221 | his idea does not |
| 06:04.04 | patlabor221 | in his tanks still stay flat |
| 06:04.14 | patlabor221 | full 3d implies tilt |
| 06:04.21 | trepan | yup, it would, it you allowed tilt right now |
| 06:04.21 | patlabor221 | and for that you need vertical aiming |
| 06:04.23 | wobbly_carrot | yes, i really think flatness is very important to bz |
| 06:04.32 | trepan | just don't, but have the code setup to be flexible later |
| 06:04.39 | patlabor221 | and vertical aiming means you need another controll axis |
| 06:05.05 | wobbly_carrot | would you have lod changing problems with extruded splines? |
| 06:05.11 | patlabor221 | you could |
| 06:05.15 | patlabor221 | if you wanted to |
| 06:05.25 | patlabor221 | difrent teselations |
| 06:05.34 | patlabor221 | tho you would have to weigh it |
| 06:05.39 | patlabor221 | on some modern cards |
| 06:05.46 | patlabor221 | it's faster to jsut draw the triangles |
| 06:05.52 | patlabor221 | if they can hang out on the card |
| 06:06.02 | patlabor221 | then it is to recompute new ones and send them to the card |
| 06:06.06 | wobbly_carrot | mm |
| 06:06.09 | patlabor221 | the card bus is the limit now |
| 06:06.22 | patlabor221 | if the card has the ram, it can keep it in fast card mem |
| 06:06.47 | patlabor221 | and draw it faster then you can compute new triangles and send them to the card |
| 06:07.05 | patlabor221 | since the card can do it async |
| 06:07.12 | wobbly_carrot | i'd want moving objects as well, not that that really has anything to do with what we've been saying |
| 06:07.28 | wobbly_carrot | hmm, objects who's spline definition changes!! that would be cool |
| 06:07.36 | trepan | now that would change gameplay |
| 06:07.41 | patlabor221 | that is more of a server timing thing then a graphic thing |
| 06:07.51 | trepan | ntp style timing? |
| 06:07.56 | patlabor221 | there is no server time sync |
| 06:08.08 | patlabor221 | so you have no way to know if 2 people see the object in the same place |
| 06:08.15 | wobbly_carrot | yup |
| 06:08.31 | patlabor221 | I'd make sure you could get tanks synced up before you look into geting the world to move :) |
| 06:10.18 | wobbly_carrot | killjoy:) |
| 06:11.03 | wobbly_carrot | so pat, what's your time estimate? |
| 06:11.04 | wobbly_carrot | :) |
| 06:11.25 | patlabor221 | dono, how much time you have put into it? |
| 06:11.34 | patlabor221 | and how is your 3d math? |
| 06:11.40 | wobbly_carrot | lots, but not much brains |
| 06:11.49 | wobbly_carrot | actually my 3d math isn't terrible |
| 06:12.14 | patlabor221 | depends how long it will take you to seperate out the world |
| 06:12.21 | patlabor221 | then come up with a lighting method |
| 06:12.57 | patlabor221 | ohh my implemenaton goes a bit beyond your idea there:) |
| 06:13.13 | patlabor221 | take yours, but make the world multiple polygons |
| 06:13.21 | patlabor221 | but they arn't 2d polygons |
| 06:13.24 | patlabor221 | they are 3d polygons |
| 06:13.37 | patlabor221 | then the objects that are in them can be any arbitrary object |
| 06:13.45 | patlabor221 | so long as there is a class defined for them |
| 06:13.59 | patlabor221 | and allow the world polygons to be ether capped or open |
| 06:14.32 | patlabor221 | then visibility is just a matter of walking the polygons you are connected to, and cliping your frustum down |
| 06:14.58 | wobbly_carrot | scanline already schooled me on portals |
| 06:15.10 | patlabor221 | they are phun :) |
| 06:15.21 | patlabor221 | then you can get into non linar space |
| 06:15.38 | wobbly_carrot | yup |
| 06:15.57 | patlabor221 | I don't have the restriction of making all things flat tho |
| 06:16.44 | wobbly_carrot | well, i guess either do i as long as the tank can balance precisely flat on the object :) |
| 06:16.48 | wobbly_carrot | ala pyramids. |
| 06:16.58 | patlabor221 | thats for you to define |
| 06:17.14 | patlabor221 | this is why I say you need to figure out what bzflag "IS" |
| 06:17.22 | patlabor221 | before changes like this can be made |
| 06:17.36 | patlabor221 | is the 2d nature of gameplay a core part of it? |
| 06:17.40 | wobbly_carrot | well that's probably not for me to say |
| 06:17.49 | patlabor221 | or is it just the tanks and ping pong balls |
| 06:17.53 | wobbly_carrot | but i strongly feel the 2d nature is probably rule # 1 |
| 06:17.58 | patlabor221 | well somehone needs to say |
| 06:18.11 | wobbly_carrot | 2d natures of tanks anyway |
| 06:18.16 | wobbly_carrot | and shots |
| 06:18.38 | wobbly_carrot | but then it seems lame to mix 2d tanks and 3d worlds |
| 06:18.41 | patlabor221 | pyramids and rico are allreayd screwing that up now |
| 06:18.47 | wobbly_carrot | yes |
| 06:18.55 | wobbly_carrot | like i said, i amazed they made it in |
| 06:19.03 | patlabor221 | so is bzflag just a nice looking version of bolo then? |
| 06:19.12 | wobbly_carrot | bolo? |
| 06:19.17 | patlabor221 | a 2d game with a 3d thick candy shell |
| 06:19.21 | patlabor221 | !google bolo |
| 06:19.23 | Guu | patlabor221: Search took 0.167973 seconds: Bolo Home Page: <http://www.lgm.com/bolo/>; Bolo Pages: <http://rescomp.stanford.edu/~cheshire/Bolo.html>; The Bolo Page: <http://www.tri-gon.net/bolo.htm>; Welcome to Ulfilas': <http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/uni/sii/Ulf/Bolo/Bolo.html>; Bolo Home Page Moved: <http://deckard.mc.duke.edu/bolo/>; Bayon Hotel: (1 more message) |
| 06:20.00 | patlabor221 | !more |
| 06:20.00 | Guu | patlabor221: <http://www.bayonhotel.com/>; .:: Yami Bolo and Yam Euphony Music Co || Welcome ::.: <http://www.yami-bolo.com/>; Kenny's Bolo Page: <http://members.aol.com/kennyk359/private/Bolo.html>; Club bolo danse country Montreal: <http://www.clubbolo.com/>; Bolo Pages: <http://www.bolo.net/> |
| 06:20.56 | patlabor221 | bz plays a lot like Specter |
| 06:21.32 | wobbly_carrot | i guess 3d munitions are ok |
| 06:21.46 | wobbly_carrot | just not non-level tanks |
| 06:22.07 | patlabor221 | then how do the shots get non level? |
| 06:22.13 | wobbly_carrot | heh |
| 06:22.15 | wobbly_carrot | gm |
| 06:22.20 | wobbly_carrot | pyrs |
| 06:22.32 | patlabor221 | so no real aim |
| 06:22.37 | wobbly_carrot | right no aiming |
| 06:22.40 | patlabor221 | then a non flat world is pointless |
| 06:23.00 | patlabor221 | cus then your just giving a select few the ability to shoot across levels |
| 06:23.13 | wobbly_carrot | yup |
| 06:23.36 | wobbly_carrot | well, i'm ok with a 'Mortar' weapon that shot 'fixed' parabolas |
| 06:24.10 | patlabor221 | would be a total pain to aim |
| 06:24.11 | wobbly_carrot | and other 'fixed' 3d shots |
| 06:24.38 | wobbly_carrot | i'd assume with mortar there would be a large circumverence of explosion area |
| 06:25.04 | patlabor221 | your applying an arbitrary limit to the world, some people will not like that |
| 06:25.27 | wobbly_carrot | meaning flat driving? |
| 06:25.38 | patlabor221 | and no vertical aim |
| 06:25.51 | patlabor221 | if the mortar can fire up, then why can't they adjust the angle? |
| 06:25.52 | patlabor221 | :) |
| 06:25.58 | wobbly_carrot | yes, some may not like that, but it keeps to 'easy to learn, difficult to master' |
| 06:26.05 | wobbly_carrot | which i think is very important |
| 06:26.09 | patlabor221 | yes it's arbitary tho |
| 06:26.23 | patlabor221 | you just ahve to acknowlege that it is |
| 06:26.31 | wobbly_carrot | perhaps |
| 06:26.33 | patlabor221 | it may be ok |
| 06:26.47 | Big_Barrel | good night guys :) |
| 06:26.50 | patlabor221 | but it is a limit that is imposed, at least in a players mind |
| 06:26.52 | patlabor221 | see ya |
| 06:26.57 | Big_Barrel | night |
| 06:27.09 | wobbly_carrot | i would think if you wanted 3d terrain, then you would need automatic pitch aiming based on targetting system |
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| 06:27.26 | wobbly_carrot | that might be playable, but would be different than bz |
| 06:27.30 | Big_Barrel | oops forgot to message chestal |
| 06:28.01 | patlabor221 | automatics are hard |
| 06:28.09 | patlabor221 | they generaly can't "lead" a target |
| 06:28.18 | patlabor221 | what you really need is user aim |
| 06:28.19 | wobbly_carrot | patlabor221: no i mean just in the z direction |
| 06:28.23 | patlabor221 | so I do |
| 06:28.31 | patlabor221 | you often need to lead in all 3 axis |
| 06:28.49 | patlabor221 | if somone is falling you can't shoot where they are in S |
| 06:28.50 | patlabor221 | Z |
| 06:28.51 | wobbly_carrot | perhaps |
| 06:28.57 | patlabor221 | or if they are even moving down a slope |
| 06:29.03 | patlabor221 | you would never hit anything |
| 06:29.14 | patlabor221 | it's been done in many games |
| 06:29.16 | wobbly_carrot | also the physics of shots would have to be completely different |
| 06:29.19 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 06:29.30 | wobbly_carrot | the shots would have to go a whole lot faster if gravity is to be pulled into it |
| 06:29.36 | wobbly_carrot | and shots that fast are difficult to play with |
| 06:29.38 | patlabor221 | you would have to put the aiming axes on the analog devices |
| 06:29.51 | patlabor221 | or you could make them not do grav |
| 06:29.56 | patlabor221 | say they are "engergy" |
| 06:30.00 | patlabor221 | that's been done too |
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| 06:30.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o learner] by ChanServ |
| 06:30.09 | patlabor221 | you really need to play more games :) |
| 06:30.12 | Carnage_ | Good nite people |
| 06:30.18 | wobbly_carrot | seems to me if you have 'real' worlds than gravity has to effect bullets |
| 06:30.25 | wobbly_carrot | patlabor221: amen |
| 06:30.44 | patlabor221 | and if you are in a real world then you should be able to aim up and down |
| 06:30.44 | learner | nasty bug.. |
| 06:30.53 | learner | and not jumpt |
| 06:30.58 | TyroneFHornigh | That looked like you hit it. |
| 06:31.05 | patlabor221 | depends what your "real" vehcile |
| 06:31.06 | learner | yep.. almost immediately |
| 06:31.06 | patlabor221 | is |
| 06:31.16 | wobbly_carrot | yea |
| 06:31.27 | patlabor221 | if it's like a hover tank, then making it jump is not that unreasonable |
| 06:31.31 | learner | didn't have the second display running to recover in gdb, though.. |
| 06:31.39 | learner | Window Server went zombie on me |
| 06:31.44 | wobbly_carrot | can you shoot down in a tank? |
| 06:31.55 | learner | some of them you can |
| 06:32.00 | TyroneFHornigh | me too, It looks like most of the loop is running, but the swapbuffers is very slow. |
| 06:32.04 | learner | most no, though |
| 06:32.19 | wobbly_carrot | so gravity would be the only way to hit some lower tanks in that case |
| 06:32.40 | patlabor221 | real world tanks have limited vertical travel |
| 06:32.40 | learner | yea, my system was "fine" until I sent the window server a hup, everything went () after that |
| 06:32.52 | patlabor221 | some can even tilt the chasis to help |
| 06:33.01 | TyroneFHornigh | Did you get a chance to walk through the loop at all? |
| 06:33.09 | wobbly_carrot | That's ctrl-TD |
| 06:33.18 | wobbly_carrot | or was it Alt-TL |
| 06:33.23 | wobbly_carrot | dang, i just got killed |
| 06:33.33 | learner | no, not yet.. restarted to get the secondary display running.. |
| 06:33.43 | learner | now it's running so .. here I go |
| 06:33.52 | TyroneFHornigh | cya later :) |
| 06:33.56 | learner | where was that point ? |
| 06:34.02 | learner | to set a breakpoint? |
| 06:34.33 | TyroneFHornigh | #6 0x80009b78 in MacWindow::swapBuffers() (this=0x92c9c0) at MacWindow.cxx:544 |
| 06:34.36 | patlabor221 | whoot, OnHover actions work in the UI :) |
| 06:34.38 | wobbly_carrot | The simpleton that i am doesn't like most games for over complexity |
| 06:35.07 | patlabor221 | then if you have a simple game, would you not want a simple world? not a complex one? |
| 06:35.12 | TyroneFHornigh | That's part of the loop where it is slow, so you probably want to break before that. |
| 06:35.39 | wobbly_carrot | yes, 2-1/2d is the right answer for bz /me thinks |
| 06:35.39 | learner | bash-2.05a$ cvs update -dP |
| 06:35.39 | learner | ? .DS_Store |
| 06:35.39 | learner | ? .gdb_history |
| 06:35.39 | learner | ? .new |
| 06:35.39 | learner | ? INSTALL |
| 06:35.40 | learner | ? config.guess |
| 06:35.42 | learner | ? config.sub |
| 06:35.44 | learner | ? dc |
| 06:35.46 | learner | ? dc2 |
| 06:35.48 | learner | ? depcomp |
| 06:35.50 | learner | ? get |
| 06:35.52 | learner | ? install-sh |
| 06:35.52 | TyroneFHornigh | I've been getting there just by hitting <ctrl>-C |
| 06:35.54 | learner | ? missing |
| 06:35.56 | learner | ? mkinstalldirs |
| 06:35.56 | wobbly_carrot | wow xchat has cvs! |
| 06:35.58 | learner | ? shift.sh |
| 06:36.00 | learner | ? test.cxx |
| 06:36.02 | learner | ? web |
| 06:36.04 | learner | ? include/stamp-h1 |
| 06:36.06 | learner | ? src/.DS_Store |
| 06:36.08 | learner | ? src/bzfls/bzfls |
| 06:36.10 | learner | ? src/bzfs/bzfs.existing |
| 06:36.12 | learner | ? src/platform/.DS_Store |
| 06:36.14 | learner | ? src/platform/MacOSX/.DS_Store |
| 06:36.16 | learner | dang it |
| 06:36.18 | learner | sorry |
| 06:36.20 | patlabor221 | I have never tried to build x-chat, as it needs GTK |
| 06:36.20 | learner | copy paste screwed up |
| 06:36.22 | *** part/#bzflag learner (sean@chr160dhcp1509.chrchv01.md.comcast.net) |
| 06:36.24 | patlabor221 | and that is a pain in tha ss |
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| 06:36.28 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o learner] by ChanServ |
| 06:36.46 | learner | config.status: error: cannot find input file: win32/VC6/Makefile.in |
| 06:36.47 | TyroneFHornigh | Guu didn't seem to enjoy that. |
| 06:37.10 | patlabor221 | you guu killer |
| 06:37.43 | patlabor221 | no wonder she left, you freak |
| 06:38.00 | *** join/#bzflag Guu (~girlbot@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 06:38.02 | wobbly_carrot | heh |
| 06:38.27 | TyroneFHornigh | !sniff |
| 06:38.27 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: Error: 'sniff' is not a valid command. |
| 06:38.41 | learner | hi guu |
| 06:38.42 | Guu | howdy, learner :) |
| 06:38.49 | patlabor221 | !rock it |
| 06:38.51 | TyroneFHornigh | She's not as freaky as ibot |
| 06:38.55 | patlabor221 | that's my guu |
| 06:38.59 | patlabor221 | !glut |
| 06:38.59 | Guu | tastes as bad as it sounds. |
| 06:39.01 | TyroneFHornigh | ibot sucks |
| 06:39.02 | | If you got $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 06:39.09 | TyroneFHornigh | ibot fark |
| 06:39.14 | patlabor221 | ~who is your daddy? |
| 06:39.15 | | YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 06:39.28 | patlabor221 | !fark |
| 06:39.28 | Guu | patlabor221: Error: 'fark' is not a valid command. |
| 06:39.34 | TyroneFHornigh | ibot farq |
| 06:39.36 | | I think you meant fuck. dont beat around the bush, man. |
| 06:39.46 | TyroneFHornigh | ibot rtfm |
| 06:39.47 | | hmm... rtfm is read the f*cking manual... try asking me about "FAQ" |
| 06:39.56 | TyroneFHornigh | ibot faq |
| 06:39.57 | | from memory, faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/, or asking smart questions at http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 06:40.10 | TyroneFHornigh | seedy bot |
| 06:40.40 | captain_proton | quite pedestrian |
| 06:40.47 | TyroneFHornigh | guu praise the lord |
| 06:40.47 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: Error: 'praise' is not a valid command. |
| 06:40.54 | TyroneFHornigh | guu load fundb |
| 06:40.55 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: Error: You don't have the "owner" capability. |
| 06:41.18 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 06:41.38 | TyroneFHornigh | guu load fundb |
| 06:41.39 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:41.46 | TyroneFHornigh | guu praise the lord |
| 06:41.52 | TimRiker | !praise me |
| 06:42.00 | TyroneFHornigh | !praise allah |
| 06:42.06 | TimRiker | !praise yourself |
| 06:42.16 | TimRiker | !praise himself |
| 06:42.25 | TyroneFHornigh | !herself |
| 06:42.26 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: Error: 'herself' is not a valid command. |
| 06:42.30 | TimRiker | heh |
| 06:42.33 | TyroneFHornigh | !praise herself |
| 06:42.36 | captain_proton | TimRiker: guu is most definitely female |
| 06:42.38 | patlabor221 | I have allways thought allah needed some chips ahoy |
| 06:42.48 | TyroneFHornigh | can she rub her tummy at the same time? |
| 06:43.06 | TimRiker | !leet [praise herself] |
| 06:43.34 | TimRiker | !outfilter leet |
| 06:43.34 | Guu | 7!mR!k3r: 7h3 0p3r@!0n 5ucc33d3d. |
| 06:43.40 | TimRiker | !slashdot |
| 06:43.41 | Guu | 7!mR!k3r: 3rr0r: '5145hd0+' !z n0+ 4 v41!d c0mm4nd. |
| 06:43.50 | TimRiker | !outfilter |
| 06:43.51 | Guu | TimRiker: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:43.54 | TyroneFHornigh | talented girl |
| 06:44.01 | TyroneFHornigh | !insult TimRiker |
| 06:44.02 | Guu | TimRiker: Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelled of elderberrys. (#1) |
| 06:44.38 | TimRiker | !translate en sp [insult TyroneFHornigh] |
| 06:44.39 | Guu | TimRiker: Error: 'translate' is not a valid command. |
| 06:44.53 | TimRiker | !load help |
| 06:44.54 | Guu | TimRiker: Error: No plugin help exists. |
| 06:44.56 | TimRiker | !load html |
| 06:44.57 | TyroneFHornigh | !list plugin |
| 06:44.57 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: Error: There is no plugin named plugin, or that plugin has no commands. |
| 06:44.58 | Guu | TimRiker: Error: No plugin html exists. |
| 06:45.03 | TyroneFHornigh | !list plugins |
| 06:45.03 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: Error: There is no plugin named plugins, or that plugin has no commands. |
| 06:45.08 | TyroneFHornigh | !list |
| 06:45.08 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelDB, Debian, Factoids, Friendly, Fun, FunDB, Google, Http, Karma, Lookup, Math, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Movies, Owner, QuoteGrabs, Quotes, RSS, Services, Status, Todo, Topic, URL, Unix, User |
| 06:45.15 | TimRiker | captain_proton: index into the <foo> array. |
| 06:45.27 | TimRiker | !praise 1 captain_proton |
| 06:45.31 | TimRiker | !praise 2 captain_proton |
| 06:45.36 | TimRiker | etc |
| 06:45.37 | captain_proton | is that just a temporary thing? |
| 06:45.45 | captain_proton | because it seems quite silly |
| 06:45.46 | TimRiker | nope. it's on all the time. |
| 06:45.55 | TimRiker | !stop being silly |
| 06:45.56 | Guu | TimRiker: Error: 'stop' is not a valid command. |
| 06:46.13 | TimRiker | ~make Guu stop being silly |
| 06:46.16 | | make: *** No rule to make target `Guu stop being silly'. Stop. |
| 06:46.32 | captain_proton | ~make it work |
| 06:46.35 | | make: *** No rule to make target `it work'. Stop. |
| 06:46.56 | TimRiker | !load http |
| 06:46.56 | Guu | TimRiker: Error: That module is already loaded. |
| 06:46.57 | captain_proton | oh no! |
| 06:47.11 | TimRiker | !help translate |
| 06:47.12 | Guu | TimRiker: Error: There is no such command translate. |
| 06:47.19 | TimRiker | !load BabelFish |
| 06:47.19 | Guu | TimRiker: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:47.25 | TimRiker | !translate en sp [insult TyroneFHornigh] |
| 06:47.27 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: Su madre era un hámster, y su padre olido de elderberrys. (# 1) |
| 06:47.57 | TimRiker | !list babelfish |
| 06:47.58 | Guu | TimRiker: babelfish, babelize, randomlanguage, translate |
| 06:48.08 | TyroneFHornigh | !randomlanguage |
| 06:48.09 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: German |
| 06:48.18 | TimRiker | !babelize en de [insult TyroneFHornigh] |
| 06:48.23 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: Their a hamster was more more more nut/mother and your father, who was smelled of elderberrys. (# 1) |
| 06:48.32 | TyroneFHornigh | !translate en de [lart TimRiker ] |
| 06:48.35 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 06:48.46 | learner | !babelize English [randomlanguage] [insult TyroneFHornigh] |
| 06:48.49 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: Its to mother was the hamster, and its to father smelled of elderberrys. (# 1) |
| 06:49.27 | TimRiker | yeah, it's got some amusing features that's for certian. |
| 06:49.37 | TyroneFHornigh | !translate en [randomlanguage [lart learner ] |
| 06:49.37 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: Error: Missing "]" |
| 06:49.44 | TyroneFHornigh | !translate en [randomlanguage] [lart learner ] |
| 06:49.46 | TimRiker | !googlewar blootbot supybot |
| 06:49.47 | Guu | TimRiker: Error: 'googlewar' is not a valid command. |
| 06:49.54 | TimRiker | ~help google |
| 06:50.01 | TimRiker | !help google |
| 06:50.01 | Guu | TimRiker: (google <search> [--{language,restrict}=<value>] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches google.com for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain classes of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly work-unsafe results. |
| 06:50.06 | TimRiker | !list google |
| 06:50.07 | Guu | TimRiker: config, fight, google, info, licensekey, metagoogle, spell |
| 06:50.17 | TimRiker | !google fight blootbot supybot |
| 06:50.19 | learner | !fight |
| 06:50.19 | Guu | learner: |
| 06:50.20 | Guu | TimRiker: 'blootbot': 899, 'supybot': 70 |
| 06:50.40 | TimRiker | !google fight timriker bzflag |
| 06:50.43 | Guu | TimRiker: 'bzflag': 23700, 'timriker': 105 |
| 06:50.47 | learner | heh |
| 06:50.55 | TimRiker | !google fight "tim riker" bzflag |
| 06:50.55 | learner | "you lose" |
| 06:50.58 | Guu | TimRiker: 'bzflag': 23700, 'tim riker': 8480 |
| 06:51.08 | TimRiker | yowser |
| 06:52.27 | TyroneFHornigh | !translate la en exame |
| 06:52.27 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: Error: 'la' is not a valid language. Valid languages include Portuguese, Chinese, German, Spanish, Japanese, French, English, Korean, and Italian |
| 06:52.41 | TyroneFHornigh | !translate portuguese en exame |
| 06:52.43 | Guu | TyroneFHornigh: examination |
| 06:52.59 | TyroneFHornigh | An interesting translation for learner |
| 06:53.55 | TimRiker | http://home.hccnet.nl/willem.penninckx/bzflag/ |
| 06:55.59 | TyroneFHornigh | !translate en jp [insult TimRiker] |
| 06:56.01 | Guu | TimRiker: あなたの母はハムスターであり、あなたの父はelderberrys の臭いがした。(# 1) |
| 06:56.38 | TyroneFHornigh | No Japanese translation for elderberrys. :) |
| 06:58.00 | TimRiker | patlabor221: neato. |
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| 07:26.59 | learner | dang what a hard bug to isolate |
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| 08:24.01 | |tim| | ~d |
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| 11:31.35 | chatelaine | ~toronto |
| 11:33.49 | Tupone | ChanServ: hi |
| 11:33.57 | Tupone | chatelaine: hi |
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| 13:51.25 | [dmp] | gee, i admire toofunny - he is soo cool. |
| 13:52.00 | [dmp] | I say so cool stuff.. The way he plays with the language, uh.. And he can cheat too..My man |
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| 15:10.03 | yoyox | !google strona yoyox |
| 15:10.05 | Guu | yoyox: No matches found Search took 0.134185 seconds: |
| 15:10.13 | yoyox | !google yoyox |
| 15:10.15 | Guu | yoyox: Search took 0.125991 seconds: Genome@home user statistics - YoYoX: <http://gah.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/userpage.pl?q=YoYoX>; Genome@home: 1rl3: <http://gah.stanford.edu/proteins/PDB/1rl3/>; Personal info for yoyox: <http://old.jabber.org/person/yoyox/>; Who's New at Jabber.org: <http://old.jabber.org/newusers.html>; Battles: <http://ist.baat.dk/ist_battles/>; (2 more messages) |
| 15:10.29 | yoyox | !google yoyox nikt |
| 15:10.30 | Guu | yoyox: Search took 0.087509 seconds: Personal info for yoyox: <http://old.jabber.org/person/yoyox/> |
| 15:10.42 | yoyox | !google nikt yoyox |
| 15:10.44 | Guu | yoyox: Search took 0.108718 seconds: Personal info for yoyox: <http://old.jabber.org/person/yoyox/> |
| 15:11.18 | yoyox | !google yoyox armies |
| 15:11.20 | Guu | yoyox: Search took 0.11687 seconds: The Armies: <http://ist.baat.dk/ist_armies/>; Battles: <http://ist.baat.dk/ist_battles/> |
| 15:11.34 | yoyox | !google yoyox art |
| 15:11.36 | Guu | yoyox: No matches found Search took 0.109285 seconds: |
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| 15:30.05 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 15:31.28 | Chikorita | it looks like Knightmare has struck Pattys bz boards again :P |
| 15:32.32 | [dmp] | toofunny? |
| 15:32.40 | Chikorita | ya |
| 15:32.46 | Chikorita | hi dmpee :) |
| 15:32.53 | Chikorita | god dag |
| 15:32.58 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 15:32.59 | [dmp] | Hejsa .9 |
| 15:33.17 | [dmp] | My shift isnt what it used to be :) |
| 15:33.20 | Chikorita | .9? |
| 15:33.34 | Chikorita | o i c heh |
| 15:33.49 | Chikorita | use da otha shift key , maybee itll work betta |
| 15:34.03 | Chikorita | usually theres 2 on every standard kb |
| 15:34.18 | [dmp] | I use both of them, depending on which key i need to be "shifted" |
| 15:34.49 | [dmp] | if i need to shift a, i use the right-shift, if i need to shift l, i use the left one :) |
| 15:34.59 | [dmp] | My hands (almost) multitask :) |
| 15:35.07 | Chikorita | i use heavily da one on da left , buh if dats not workin good ums i use da otha 1 |
| 15:35.11 | Chikorita | nooH |
| 15:35.19 | Chikorita | i type wif two fingerz |
| 15:35.37 | Chikorita | an a thumb |
| 15:35.39 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 15:36.01 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 15:36.07 | [dmp] | Thumbs for space! :) |
| 15:36.20 | [dmp] | Dont use them of much else :) |
| 15:36.31 | Chikorita | mmhmm thumb 2 drop da flag |
| 15:36.47 | Chikorita | i go play alil bz now.. |
| 15:37.00 | Chikorita | o btw i wil answer ur PM lata... |
| 15:37.15 | Chikorita | i dunno wut ftp iz ...iz dat like http? |
| 15:37.28 | Chikorita | i only kno http |
| 15:37.46 | [dmp] | FTP is used for uploading your homepage (pictures, files) |
| 15:38.17 | [dmp] | But I guess we need to find some software for you, so you dont have to worry about that |
| 15:38.27 | Chikorita | actually i change my mind i dunt wanna make a blog . no time |
| 15:38.40 | [dmp] | Okey |
| 15:38.54 | Chikorita | plus im too puter retarded , i would only burden u wif programmin questions :( |
| 15:39.08 | Chikorita | lol dmpee |
| 15:39.17 | [dmp] | Dont worry about that. We all have to learn it |
| 15:39.21 | Chikorita | tru , i would b like dat , prolly less even |
| 15:39.48 | Chikorita | i would update weneva a blu moon comes along |
| 15:39.56 | [dmp] | You cant get any worse than my gf.. The homepage she like to do, have been "under construction" for 4 years :) |
| 15:40.03 | Chikorita | i really dunt kno wut 2 say... |
| 15:40.11 | Chikorita | LoL dmpee! |
| 15:40.27 | [dmp] | Ah well, that part i cant help with. I dont have anything interesting to tell either :( |
| 15:40.30 | [dmp] | im a geek. |
| 15:40.42 | [dmp] | i study, make homework, use the computer |
| 15:40.47 | [dmp] | ... how fun is that? :) |
| 15:40.50 | Chikorita | wel sum peeple r good at writin journals , mee i have alot 2 say buh i jus like 2 keep it to meeself |
| 15:40.58 | Chikorita | lol dmpee |
| 15:41.04 | Chikorita | nno im sure u r more than dat |
| 15:41.07 | Chikorita | :) |
| 15:41.32 | Chikorita | u need 2 add "nice guy" sumwhere in dat list of self description ;) |
| 15:41.56 | [dmp] | :) |
| 15:41.57 | Chikorita | ok i go play now |
| 15:42.03 | [dmp] | have fun |
| 15:42.06 | Chikorita | byez , bbl maybee |
| 15:42.10 | Chikorita | u 2 |
| 15:42.12 | Chikorita | :) |
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| 19:41.24 | Chikorita | hi hi |
| 19:42.14 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 19:42.36 | Chikorita | ~weather khgr |
| 19:43.10 | Chikorita | lala |
| 19:43.24 | Chikorita | ~seen sn0w_d0ggy |
| 19:43.25 | | sn0w_d0ggy <~mikep@adsl-68-73-87-15.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 23h 36m 13s ago, saying: '~weather batavia, IL'. |
| 19:43.35 | Chikorita | ~seen Merry |
| 19:43.35 | | i haven't seen 'merry', Chikorita |
| 19:43.42 | Chikorita | ~seen Merry_ |
| 19:43.42 | | merry_ <~mikep@adsl-68-73-87-15.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 23h 17m 58s ago, saying: 'hi jolly'. |
| 19:44.11 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack candy corn |
| 19:44.11 | | thanks, Chikorita |
| 19:44.17 | Chikorita | yw :) |
| 19:44.25 | Chikorita | it was leftova from halloween |
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| 19:55.57 | Carnage | hi |
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| 23:01.14 | Nivex | Has anyone else seen this behaviour?: Whenever you drop the Theif flag, all textures go away for about 1-2 sec. |
| 23:01.58 | learner | nope |
| 23:02.23 | learner | sounds rather fishy, though.. when you drop the theif flag, you are forced to reload for about 1-2 sec |
| 23:04.16 | Nivex | I just checked it. The textures go away for about 1 second, reload time is 3. |
| 23:04.27 | learner | okay |
| 23:04.59 | learner | that 1-2 sec is about how long it takes for theif to "unexpand" too |
| 23:06.15 | Tupone | hiya learner |
| 23:06.20 | learner | hey tupone |
| 23:06.30 | Nivex | only buildings, pyramids, and walls are affected. sky and floor remain. |
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| 23:07.37 | Tupone | Nivex: can be a video board problem ? How much RAM texture ? |
| 23:08.18 | Nivex | Tupone: Riva TNT2, 16MB RAM. It's only the theif flag that is doing it though. Other size changing flags such as tiny or narrow do not exhibit the behaviour. |
| 23:08.55 | Tupone | rumour says TNT2 is not fully openGL compliant |
| 23:09.39 | Tupone | Could be a bzbugs too |
| 23:15.18 | wobbly_carrot | 16 is lite |
| 23:16.12 | Nivex | yes, but it's not like y'all are coding Unreal Tournament here :) |
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| 23:18.53 | Big_Barrel | anyone here want a match? |
| 23:19.19 | Big_Barrel | who would like the honors of matching HoW on their 200th match??? |
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| 23:20.52 | wobbly_carrot | hey henry! |
| 23:20.57 | wobbly_carrot | awww |
| 23:21.14 | TimRiker | heh |
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| 23:21.29 | TimRiker | using Henry's computer |
| 23:21.45 | TimRiker | ibot been ok? |
| 23:21.46 | | no idea, TimRiker |
| 23:21.51 | TimRiker | ~1+2 |
| 23:21.53 | | 3 |
| 23:21.59 | TimRiker | ~xmission |
| 23:22.07 | TimRiker | ~xmission |
| 23:22.10 | TimRiker | ~statusx |
| 23:22.12 | TimRiker | ~status |
| 23:22.13 | | Since Sat Nov 15 05:27:26 2003, there have been 21 modifications, 39 questions, 20 dunnos, 0 morons and 37 commands. I have been awake for 17h 54m 46s this session, and currently reference 85640 factoids. I'm using about 14736 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 466.56/72.92 child 102.28/6.41 |
| 23:22.34 | wobbly_carrot | ya know you really ought to upgrade the pics, he's prolly 20 by now |
| 23:22.36 | wobbly_carrot | http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/henry_riker.jpg |
| 23:22.39 | TimRiker | looks ok. ibot and jbot are now the same process. |
| 23:23.27 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 23:23.39 | TimRiker | who put in the M$ logo? what a crackup |
| 23:23.44 | wobbly_carrot | huh? |
| 23:24.05 | wobbly_carrot | i though the misses must have insisted that he not be a nix boy |
| 23:24.21 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 23:25.11 | TimRiker | http://henry.rikers.org/20020914a.jpg <- original |
| 23:25.33 | wobbly_carrot | yup, i'll fess up :) |
| 23:26.19 | TimRiker | http://cameron.rikers.org/20031110boyssnow.jpg <- newer pics |
| 23:29.54 | wobbly_carrot | awwww look mom bought matching shirts |
| 23:29.55 | wobbly_carrot | http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/rikerboys.jpg |
| 23:30.09 | wobbly_carrot | how cute |
| 23:30.27 | captain_proton | haha |
| 23:30.31 | captain_proton | having fun? |
| 23:30.35 | wobbly_carrot | yes, yes i am |
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| 23:36.06 | learner | ~dict ball |
| 23:36.18 | learner | !dict ball |
| 23:36.19 | Guu | learner: Error: 'dict' is not a valid command. |
| 23:36.26 | learner | !dictionary ball |
| 23:36.26 | Guu | learner: Error: 'dictionary' is not a valid command. |
| 23:36.32 | learner | !apropos dict |
| 23:36.32 | Guu | learner: Error: No appropriate commands were found. |
| 23:45.30 | wobbly_carrot | wow learner, such self control!!! no checkins! |
| 23:45.37 | Big_Barrel | who would like the honors of matching HoW on their 200th match??? |
| 23:45.57 | Big_Barrel | learner: chiko is online :) |
| 23:46.00 | Big_Barrel | you guys want match? |
| 23:49.12 | wobbly_carrot | Tim, are you playing Caspar, Melchior, and Balthasar this year? |
| 23:49.36 | wobbly_carrot | s/and/or/ |
| 23:55.29 | Tupone | Mac can you help me to see something, joining learner playgroud? |
