| 00:07.06 | TimRiker | what's wrong with the list server? |
| 00:08.03 | TimRiker | Nidhoggr: other server are listed by name ok, dns issue? |
| 00:08.23 | stibnite | TimRiker: it does not seem to work when a hostname is provided as a parameter to -publicaddr |
| 00:08.57 | TimRiker | 1.9? 1.7? |
| 00:09.09 | stibnite | the problem only occured with 1.7 in my experience |
| 00:09.17 | TimRiker | ~nslookup bzflag.secretplace.us |
| 00:09.33 | stibnite | in fact, the very same server name would list fine with 1.9, and fail with 1.7 |
| 00:09.57 | TimRiker | hmm. there are many server listed now by name |
| 00:09.59 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 00:10.23 | stibnite | yes, i saw the problem beginning at 5pm, |
| 00:10.40 | stibnite | Nidhoggr saw the problem after a server restart last night |
| 00:11.18 | TimRiker | hmm. the number of listed servers has been dropping for the past week. |
| 00:12.04 | stibnite | i had the problem just now, |
| 00:12.22 | stibnite | server started up, -publicaddr was set to bzflag.hashmark.net, not listed |
| 00:12.36 | stibnite | restarted it, with -publicaddr 65.164.216.37, and no problem |
| 00:12.48 | TimRiker | restarted the list server.... try now. |
| 00:13.24 | stibnite | looks like it is fixed |
| 00:13.33 | TimRiker | wild. |
| 00:13.40 | TimRiker | and bizarre too |
| 00:13.41 | stibnite | listening on 65.164.216.37:5155 |
| 00:13.41 | stibnite | Player [0] accept() from 24.1.99.18:2698 on 9 |
| 00:14.07 | stibnite | that connection didn't even take place before |
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| 00:23.04 | stibnite | not sure, definitely me, Nidhoggr, and bryjen |
| 00:48.45 | TimRiker | TimRiker: yep, more servers are showing up. good catch. someone should msg me when there are list server issues. ;-) |
| 00:48.54 | TimRiker | ~botmail read |
| 00:49.00 | TimRiker | ~+botmail read |
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| 05:10.19 | Ares | morning |
| 05:10.32 | Ares | is patlabor here? |
| 05:10.45 | learner | hello |
| 05:10.46 | Ares | or any developer |
| 05:10.53 | Ares | hey learner |
| 05:11.13 | Ares | do you know anything about roamin in OSX? |
| 05:11.23 | Ares | s/roamin/roaming/ |
| 05:11.23 | learner | yes |
| 05:11.38 | Ares | killer chiwawa is complaining that he can't roam in OSX |
| 05:11.55 | Ares | the shift/alt/ctrl+arrows isn't working for h im |
| 05:12.03 | learner | the keybindings were not implemented in 1.7, it's fixed when 1.10 is released |
| 05:12.13 | Ares | i see |
| 05:12.21 | Ares | So, in the meantime he's SOL? |
| 05:12.34 | learner | I fixed that among a lot of other little things like gamma control and depth buffering |
| 05:13.19 | learner | yea, SOL, though 1.10 should be Dec. 9th, or it's so rumored around then |
| 05:13.29 | Ares | oh, ok |
| 05:13.48 | Ares | does v1.10 include the protocol change? |
| 05:14.25 | learner | what protocol change? |
| 05:14.52 | Ares | I thought the new version wasn't going to be compatible with the old servers/clients due to a protocol change |
| 05:15.07 | learner | yes |
| 05:15.08 | Ares | (old as in current) |
| 05:15.19 | Ares | that's what I thought |
| 05:15.37 | learner | 1.10 will not be compatible due to a variety of protocol changes |
| 05:15.49 | Ares | Is the protocol change going to fix some of the lag problems (or at least reduce)? |
| 05:16.21 | learner | lag issues are slated for 1.12, unfortunately |
| 05:16.28 | Ares | oh, i see |
| 05:16.46 | Ares | i wouldn't mind helping out with some of the programming |
| 05:16.54 | Ares | i couldn't do some small parts |
| 05:16.57 | learner | please do :) |
| 05:17.11 | Patlabor221 | lag isn't the issue, I feel it's time syncs and flooding of pipes |
| 05:17.18 | learner | hehe, "couldn't" -- go right ahead and do some big parts :) |
| 05:17.26 | Ares | lol |
| 05:17.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah bang on what ever you want :) |
| 05:18.08 | Ares | do you snoop ports to see what kind of traffic is coming across during a game? |
| 05:18.11 | Patlabor221 | for it seems thats the idiom here |
| 05:18.14 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 05:18.21 | Patlabor221 | BZ does no throleing |
| 05:18.23 | learner | Ares: yea, that's been done.. "too much" |
| 05:18.39 | Patlabor221 | and no one client has a correct game state |
| 05:18.49 | Patlabor221 | it's a network free forall |
| 05:18.51 | learner | "there can be only one" |
| 05:18.57 | Ares | lol |
| 05:19.11 | Patlabor221 | should jsut call it packetWar |
| 05:19.22 | Ares | mirella brought up an interesting project |
| 05:19.23 | learner | My focus/efforts are going to be on seriously modifying the server |
| 05:19.35 | Ares | i thought about it too, but don't know how easy it would be to implement |
| 05:20.02 | Ares | she suggested a way to capture a game so that it could be replayed. |
| 05:20.39 | learner | that includes moving a lot of code around, so we'll see what happens. ultimately, it should do a lot more intelligent packet managmement |
| 05:20.59 | Ares | I really haven't looked at any of your guys code, so I couldn't tell for sure how you go about implementing cooridanate tracking |
| 05:21.23 | Patlabor221 | you could do it with a loging client |
| 05:21.29 | Patlabor221 | then you could replay that clients gamestate |
| 05:21.35 | Patlabor221 | but the server has no gamestate |
| 05:21.47 | Patlabor221 | and don't blame the code in there on us :) |
| 05:21.48 | learner | once the current set of changes I have in mind for bzfs are completed, it'll be trivial to record games on the server |
| 05:22.02 | Ares | kewl |
| 05:22.02 | Patlabor221 | ohh just do it learner |
| 05:22.05 | Ares | lol |
| 05:22.08 | Patlabor221 | 1.10 will never ship |
| 05:22.13 | learner | heh |
| 05:22.26 | Patlabor221 | since it is just you and the other 1.5 guys |
| 05:22.43 | Ares | lol |
| 05:22.57 | learner | Mac quoted the 9th, so I'll wait until then. Perhaps even until after christmas before I really begin to hack and whack |
| 05:23.16 | Patlabor221 | ether someone will add something and delay it more, or someone else will get fed up and just ship it with all it's currrent bugs |
| 05:23.45 | Patlabor221 | or you could make the P24 client draw purdy pictures on the Mac :) |
| 05:23.51 | Ares | do you guys work on this project just for the hell of it, or do your guys job provide some kind of incentive? |
| 05:23.53 | learner | speaking of the big man, has mac been around? |
| 05:24.08 | learner | Ares: ! |
| 05:24.21 | Patlabor221 | ares developer support has droped off big time lately |
| 05:24.24 | learner | *cough*, *choke* |
| 05:24.28 | Patlabor221 | but people just do it cus they want to |
| 05:24.48 | Patlabor221 | there used to be the incentive for me of the players, but not it seems most of them are just assholes |
| 05:25.06 | Patlabor221 | MAc suposedly had some hardware issues |
| 05:25.11 | Patlabor221 | video died |
| 05:25.18 | learner | yea, I read the e-mail |
| 05:25.28 | Patlabor221 | I will send him a new card, just need to find out if he needs AGP or PCI |
| 05:25.37 | learner | I was thinking the same thing |
| 05:25.45 | Patlabor221 | I have a pile on the desk |
| 05:25.56 | Patlabor221 | and I even think I have his addy |
| 05:26.04 | learner | ah, cool |
| 05:26.05 | Ares | well, to tell you the truth, i'm a unix sys admin |
| 05:26.17 | Ares | just do programming as hobby on the side |
| 05:26.18 | learner | Ares: as are many others that frequent here :) |
| 05:26.20 | Patlabor221 | it's ok, we won' hold that against ya :) |
| 05:26.55 | Ares | I considered getting a developer's job (have even been offered a couple) but I don't know if I want to do that as a full time job |
| 05:27.13 | Patlabor221 | I find it funny that a game that is played mostly on windows is maintained mostly by *nixies :) |
| 05:27.27 | Ares | thats the way it always is |
| 05:27.35 | Ares | i don't like playing the game on windows though |
| 05:27.38 | Patlabor221 | no, not really, just with this one :) |
| 05:27.42 | Ares | doesn't perform as well |
| 05:27.45 | learner | I'm not a pixie! .. oh wait, you said *nix.. never mind |
| 05:28.00 | Patlabor221 | I have windows and a linux machine, they perform the same |
| 05:28.08 | Patlabor221 | allmost to the frame |
| 05:28.10 | Ares | i mean, all the infrastructure is *nix while all the users are windows users |
| 05:28.25 | Patlabor221 | umm ok, if you say so |
| 05:28.48 | Ares | all my companies infrastucture is sun |
| 05:29.01 | Patlabor221 | all of my compays is windows |
| 05:29.06 | Patlabor221 | run by a moron |
| 05:29.10 | Ares | the majority of the users are on windows though |
| 05:29.14 | Ares | lol |
| 05:29.23 | Patlabor221 | ohh I thought you were talking about games |
| 05:29.39 | Ares | thats cause who ever the IT director is is short sited |
| 05:29.39 | Patlabor221 | most games start on windows |
| 05:29.45 | Ares | yes thats true |
| 05:30.04 | Patlabor221 | our "IT director is a 22 year old moron" |
| 05:30.11 | Ares | lol |
| 05:30.12 | learner | interestingly enough, bz didn't |
| 05:30.25 | Patlabor221 | tho most of the stuff works, just the things he plays with don't |
| 05:30.35 | Patlabor221 | yes BZ is an oddity |
| 05:30.38 | Patlabor221 | in MANY ways |
| 05:30.38 | Ares | did they hire him straight out of college? |
| 05:30.48 | Patlabor221 | dude he didn't go to college |
| 05:30.59 | Patlabor221 | he's worked there since he was in High School |
| 05:31.00 | Ares | oh man |
| 05:31.02 | Ares | thats even worse |
| 05:31.06 | Patlabor221 | yea |
| 05:31.12 | Ares | he know someone in the company? |
| 05:31.18 | Patlabor221 | we just took away all the core services and replicated them upstairs |
| 05:31.25 | Ares | lol |
| 05:31.34 | Ares | you guys are funny |
| 05:31.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah he knew the guy who used to have his job |
| 05:31.42 | Ares | oh, i see |
| 05:31.54 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's messed up, but we made it work |
| 05:31.57 | Patlabor221 | not a large company |
| 05:32.14 | Patlabor221 | and it's not like many of our servers could go to *nix |
| 05:32.21 | Patlabor221 | probably just web |
| 05:32.38 | Patlabor221 | and maybe one of the fileservers |
| 05:32.48 | Ares | your domain controllers could go on linux boxes |
| 05:32.50 | Patlabor221 | all the others run windows apps as services |
| 05:32.58 | Patlabor221 | we don't have a domain controller |
| 05:33.05 | Ares | peer to peer? |
| 05:33.05 | Patlabor221 | so I guess ours is nix |
| 05:33.09 | Patlabor221 | as it's at the ISP |
| 05:33.31 | Patlabor221 | they host all our DNS stuff |
| 05:33.44 | Patlabor221 | all internal stuff is W2k active directory |
| 05:33.47 | Ares | just let them know when you need to change something? |
| 05:33.51 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:33.56 | Patlabor221 | and that is a rare thing |
| 05:34.13 | Ares | i'm getting the feeling of exactly how small this is |
| 05:34.22 | Patlabor221 | less then 50 emploies |
| 05:34.31 | Ares | is all your e-mail handled throught the ISP also? |
| 05:34.35 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 05:34.45 | Ares | exchange servers? |
| 05:34.46 | Patlabor221 | we have an MS exchange server |
| 05:34.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:34.49 | Ares | server |
| 05:35.01 | Ares | 2000? 2002? |
| 05:35.06 | Patlabor221 | don't know |
| 05:35.21 | Patlabor221 | he was gonna up it to 2k2, don't know if he did |
| 05:35.30 | Ares | just curious. we're still running exchange 5.5, but planning to upgrade to 2002 soon |
| 05:35.59 | Ares | it's just a huge task cause we have so many servers and clients |
| 05:35.59 | Patlabor221 | My friend works at ms and does the builds for exchange |
| 05:36.06 | Ares | i really wish we could convince management to ditch the exchange platform though |
| 05:36.16 | Ares | thats cool |
| 05:36.38 | Patlabor221 | learner: really P24 could use some 'tosh lovin :) |
| 05:36.54 | Patlabor221 | and some 'nix lovin too |
| 05:36.59 | Ares | not even going to ask what that is. |
| 05:37.14 | Ares | macintosh |
| 05:37.15 | Patlabor221 | learner is the master of 'tosh lovin :) |
| 05:37.17 | Ares | got it |
| 05:37.22 | Ares | lol |
| 05:38.00 | Patlabor221 | I thought he was gonna mary one of those new G5's he got in |
| 05:38.30 | Ares | well guys, it's 0038 on the east coast, so i'm going to call it a night |
| 05:38.39 | Patlabor221 | have fun |
| 05:38.49 | Ares | thx for answering my questions |
| 05:39.17 | Ares | night |
| 05:39.24 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
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| 07:17.58 | learner | time to sleepy |
| 08:21.19 | TimRiker | ~spell succesfully |
| 08:21.22 | | possible spellings for succesfully: successfully successful successively unsuccessfully |
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| 11:06.12 | Chikorita | tupone? |
| 11:06.19 | Tupone | yeah |
| 11:06.25 | Chikorita | morning |
| 11:06.32 | Tupone | morning to you too |
| 11:06.45 | Chikorita | :) |
| 11:07.06 | Tupone | that's really morning there! sunset is arrived? |
| 11:07.15 | Chikorita | <<waiting for da saturday mornin cartoons to come on |
| 11:07.40 | Chikorita | itz stil dark here ..sunrise prolly in an hour or so |
| 11:08.00 | Tupone | oh ... sunrise :) |
| 11:08.16 | Chikorita | ur in da USA , yes? |
| 11:08.21 | Tupone | Italy |
| 11:08.25 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 11:08.37 | Tupone | so here is quite time for lunch |
| 11:09.03 | Chikorita | mmm |
| 11:09.19 | Chikorita | time 4 breakfast here |
| 11:09.33 | Tupone | hungry? yet? |
| 11:10.01 | Chikorita | alil |
| 11:10.49 | Tupone | ? alil ? |
| 11:10.52 | Chikorita | does the weather ever get cold in italy? |
| 11:11.00 | Chikorita | alil= a little |
| 11:11.13 | Tupone | cold, but not too much |
| 11:11.32 | Chikorita | o ok |
| 11:11.34 | Tupone | where are you from? NY? |
| 11:11.41 | Chikorita | MD. |
| 11:11.55 | Chikorita | maryland . about 300miles south of NY |
| 11:12.11 | Tupone | ok! So should not be so cold too |
| 11:12.44 | Chikorita | sometimes it is very cold here . alot of snow. but today has been unusually warm |
| 11:13.12 | Chikorita | sometimes i worry that the global climate wil change very drastically soon 1 day |
| 11:13.36 | Tupone | had tanky playing alot yesterday? |
| 11:13.38 | Chikorita | strange weather here |
| 11:13.53 | Chikorita | lol no not alot . alittle bit |
| 11:14.15 | Tupone | Yesterday not playing at all :( |
| 11:14.17 | Chikorita | i try to cut back to maybe 1 hour aday total |
| 11:14.44 | Chikorita | :( |
| 11:15.29 | Tupone | I had been near the Great Lake for about a month. Weather change alot, from summer to winter in days/hours |
| 11:15.36 | Chikorita | somedays i dont play well . so itz better to not play at all |
| 11:16.15 | Tupone | I mean Ontario Lake |
| 11:16.21 | Chikorita | yes the weather in that area changes often , because of the lake |
| 11:17.19 | Chikorita | what part of italy r u from? roma? |
| 11:17.26 | Tupone | and the night, when we parked the car, we take great attention where we park. otherwise we could not find that under 1 meter of snow |
| 11:17.27 | Chikorita | sicily? |
| 11:17.32 | Tupone | Rome |
| 11:17.40 | Tupone | I should say Roma |
| 11:17.45 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 11:18.04 | Chikorita | u live near w339 i think |
| 11:18.27 | Chikorita | he is also in roma |
| 11:18.30 | Tupone | Near is a very relative terms :) |
| 11:18.43 | Chikorita | yea tru |
| 11:19.00 | Chikorita | same city as u , but rome i imagine is a big city |
| 11:19.26 | Tupone | yeah, big, but not too much |
| 11:19.35 | Chikorita | the world to mee , seems very small |
| 11:19.59 | Chikorita | i travel alot , and everywhere i discover peeple are da same |
| 11:20.22 | Chikorita | just language an sum customs different |
| 11:21.01 | Tupone | :) you have to learn both similarity and difference between people, because they are and You should aprecciate both :) |
| 11:21.23 | Chikorita | yes :) |
| 11:21.40 | Tupone | I'm just a little anti-global |
| 11:21.51 | Chikorita | its funny . people are the same in many ways , but also very individual in their own way too |
| 11:22.14 | Tupone | that's what I like to ear |
| 11:22.50 | Chikorita | instincts are similar...personalities very different |
| 11:23.24 | Chikorita | have u heard the expression , "when in Rome , do as the Romans do."? |
| 11:23.34 | Tupone | oh, you changed way of writing! thanks a lots. |
| 11:23.37 | Tupone | yeah |
| 11:23.53 | Tupone | I like to do the same when I was abroad |
| 11:23.58 | Chikorita | lol yw . i try to adjust so u can understand better . |
| 11:24.32 | Tupone | I love your writing, just I take more time |
| 11:24.35 | Chikorita | yw=your welcome |
| 11:24.45 | Chikorita | tupone: :) |
| 11:25.25 | Chikorita | my writing is very simple to understand really . i use shortcuts alot |
| 11:25.41 | Chikorita | for example : r=are c=see 4=for 2=too |
| 11:26.21 | Tupone | Yeah, I just have to read aloud, then I understand. |
| 11:26.22 | Chikorita | and abbreviations : btw=by the way , ty=thank you , yw=your welcome |
| 11:26.48 | Tupone | not really aloud, but in my mind, that works |
| 11:26.55 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 11:27.16 | Chikorita | uh huh its all just a play on words . phonics... |
| 11:28.13 | Tupone | sometime I get on google to get hacker jargon. but the phonic one, I don't need, and I suppose I cannot find |
| 11:29.07 | Tupone | I should take something to eat, before going to Mum. |
| 11:29.10 | Tupone | CYL |
| 11:29.17 | Chikorita | well if u misunderstand mee , just ask mee and i will be more than happy to explain or type it in a way u can understand :) |
| 11:29.24 | Chikorita | okies ciao |
| 11:29.28 | Tupone | ciao |
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| 11:44.32 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (bzadmin.cxx): bzadmin.cxx does not need to include ServerLink.h directly |
| 11:45.51 | larsl | What does the winsock magic in the beginning of main() in bzadmin.cxx do? |
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| 12:05.40 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): Added bzadmin bug |
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| 12:23.55 | orchid | hello |
| 12:27.50 | larsl | Hello. |
| 12:29.42 | orchid | :) |
| 12:31.10 | larsl | orchid: Do you have a bzadmin binary from current CVS? |
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| 12:34.02 | larsl | If someone has time, I'd like to get a bzadmin bug confirmed. When I connect to a server using the curses interface and resize the terminal it's running in, it exits (not crashes). |
| 12:34.11 | larsl | Does anyone else get that? |
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| 12:57.37 | Pimpinella | anonymous CVS works again --> nice |
| 12:57.55 | larsl | Yes, it's been working for some days. And it's even fast. =) |
| 12:58.06 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 13:05.08 | orchid | larsl, no i dont |
| 13:05.33 | larsl | OK. |
| 13:05.48 | orchid | larsl i can grab it if you want |
| 13:06.32 | larsl | It's not very important, I'm almost sure that it's a bug. |
| 13:07.08 | larsl | It looks like fixing it needs some signal handling - that will get ugly when it's ported to Windows. |
| 13:07.45 | orchid | it crashes when resizing? |
| 13:08.08 | Pimpinella | just checked out cvs, works really fast |
| 13:08.41 | larsl | It doesn't crash, it just exits. It seems to think that it gets a communication error from the server, but I'm pretty sure that it's a bug in the curses interface. |
| 13:08.48 | Pimpinella | dont have to beg for a checkout at the developers |
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| 15:42.02 | learner | hi tupone :) |
| 15:42.10 | learner | mornin' |
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| 15:44.37 | learner | ah.. much better |
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| 16:54.58 | Michaelh | boo |
| 16:56.20 | Michaelh | what the heck is coloninja |
| 16:57.06 | Michaelh | 16 hops to monkey.coloninja.com aka xmission |
| 16:58.10 | Michaelh | wouldnt colonninja be better? |
| 16:58.20 | Legolas | ~d |
| 16:59.04 | Michaelh | Plus I'm on free dial up in france ... |
| 16:59.15 | Michaelh | on a crappy GDI mode maptop |
| 16:59.20 | Michaelh | laptop |
| 16:59.27 | Michaelh | lag .. what lag? |
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| 17:15.59 | Michaelh | interesting that it is playable at least the 1.7 version in GDI mode |
| 17:16.27 | Michaelh | even though my lag stinks majorly on all the US servers .. small wonder |
| 17:17.27 | Michaelh | how many hops do you guys think is too much lag wise? |
| 17:18.04 | Michaelh | I mean 20 or 16 is obscene isn't it? |
| 17:21.04 | Michaelh | .. |
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| 17:45.59 | Michaelh | pat -- it is playable at least the 1.7 version in GDI mode |
| 17:46.08 | Michaelh | lag is horrid though |
| 17:46.48 | Patlabor221 | how many FPS? |
| 17:47.08 | Patlabor221 | and it's not GDI mode, it's open GL, just a software implemenation :) |
| 17:47.23 | Patlabor221 | the app dosn't have a software renderer in it |
| 17:48.31 | Michaelh | oop it says GDI when it pops up |
| 17:48.40 | Michaelh | so It's just faking it |
| 17:48.42 | Michaelh | ? |
| 17:48.53 | Michaelh | the bastard! |
| 17:49.14 | Patlabor221 | the openGL DLL is probably using GDI |
| 17:49.19 | Patlabor221 | that is what returns that string |
| 17:49.35 | Michaelh | Dial up from france 16 hops to xmission |
| 17:50.17 | Michaelh | Does that qualify as bad? |
| 17:50.25 | Patlabor221 | what is your ping? |
| 17:50.36 | Michaelh | think it was 400 something |
| 17:50.49 | Patlabor221 | for BZ that is bad |
| 17:51.54 | Michaelh | moyenne = 325 |
| 17:52.03 | Michaelh | :) |
| 17:53.21 | Michaelh | "Mauvais paramètre 6." love that mauvais also means evil I believe |
| 17:53.52 | Michaelh | there's no dollar sign on my keyboard |
| 17:54.08 | Michaelh | doh yes there is |
| 17:54.19 | Michaelh | $£¤ |
| 17:56.30 | Michaelh | I bought some 10 euro speakers today |
| 17:56.42 | Michaelh | I won't ever do that again |
| 17:56.55 | Michaelh | doh |
| 17:57.12 | Michaelh | I turn them on and immediately I hear BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
| 17:57.36 | scanline | what did you expect? |
| 17:58.01 | Michaelh | heh |
| 17:58.22 | Michaelh | Only speakers that I actually saw in the store curiously |
| 18:00.10 | Michaelh | Do you have to do a traceroute to know how many hops away something is? |
| 18:00.41 | Michaelh | that's a multistep process isn't it? |
| 18:02.15 | Michaelh | given my position I'd kind of like to have real pings and hops to deal with for servers |
| 18:03.37 | Michaelh | Ok now it's funny french vocabulary time |
| 18:04.11 | Michaelh | what do you think Grippe is? |
| 18:04.51 | Michaelh | anyone anyone? |
| 18:04.56 | Michaelh | beuler beuler? |
| 18:05.04 | Michaelh | Do I hear Flu ? |
| 18:05.44 | Michaelh | I saw these people blabbing on the tube about how they all had Grippe and I was like ... what the ... |
| 18:06.30 | Michaelh | Or peanuts -- Cacahuetes |
| 18:06.39 | Michaelh | caacaahootees |
| 18:08.56 | Michaelh | I paid 3.40 for a load of laundry too ... |
| 18:09.10 | Michaelh | that was interesting |
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| 18:10.39 | learner | howdy freelancer |
| 18:10.45 | freelancer | hi |
| 18:10.53 | freelancer | any of my team around |
| 18:10.57 | david_v | freelancer: we're matching Kol meanwhile |
| 18:11.07 | freelancer | ok ho ahead |
| 18:11.19 | freelancer | go agead |
| 18:11.33 | freelancer | ahhhhh ahead |
| 18:13.30 | Michaelh | (on topic) what are world weapons? |
| 18:13.59 | learner | they are weapons that automatically shoot |
| 18:14.02 | learner | part of maps |
| 18:14.02 | larsl | Michaelh: Lasers, bullets, shock waves etc that are controlled by the server. |
| 18:14.04 | learner | like a turret |
| 18:14.45 | Michaelh | it's just some category? |
| 18:15.08 | larsl | Category? |
| 18:15.10 | Michaelh | oh wait .. controlled by the server as in the server shoots stuff too? |
| 18:15.15 | learner | yea |
| 18:15.32 | larsl | Yes, you set a time offset and an interval for each weapon. |
| 18:15.44 | larsl | And position and direction, of course. |
| 18:15.51 | learner | mount a bullet shooter or laser inside of a tunnel that shoots every couple seconds, for example |
| 18:16.20 | Michaelh | This is something in development or is it actually live now? |
| 18:16.26 | learner | it's live now |
| 18:16.33 | learner | and in development |
| 18:16.35 | larsl | Has been in CVS for a few months, I think. |
| 18:16.38 | learner | live in 1.9, that is |
| 18:17.26 | larsl | Nidhoggr: Are you here? I've forgotten my password to secretplace. =P |
| 18:17.33 | trepan | any plans to move the world weapons processing client side? (with time sync'ing) |
| 18:17.52 | learner | ? client side |
| 18:18.11 | trepan | so that we don't waste bandwidth send shot information |
| 18:18.22 | trepan | s/send/sending |
| 18:19.00 | learner | hmm.. not likely |
| 18:19.24 | learner | more likely is that the server will actually get fixed so that networking is done more intelligently |
| 18:19.55 | trepan | it would help regardless, but i guess it's probably small potatoes |
| 18:20.15 | learner | oh, trepan.. I don't think your latest patch is safe to put in before release.. it's a little more complex than I'm comfortable throwing in at the last minute.. |
| 18:20.40 | learner | yea, there are bigger problems that world weapon chatter |
| 18:20.42 | trepan | the way it is right now is broken IMO |
| 18:21.00 | learner | broken? they just can't be synced, no? |
| 18:21.09 | learner | they still "fire" and work, right? |
| 18:21.16 | trepan | no, weapons lose sync with respect to each other |
| 18:21.28 | trepan | you lose shots |
| 18:21.47 | learner | how are shots lost? |
| 18:21.55 | larsl | Are we in the last minute? |
| 18:22.04 | trepan | because you only get to make one shot pr weapon per select() interval |
| 18:22.17 | learner | yes, we are apparently larsl |
| 18:22.39 | learner | mac quoted dec 9, so any mods should be documentation and bug fixing only |
| 18:22.57 | trepan | if there are more then 2 shots between wWeapons.fire() calls, you get backed up |
| 18:23.17 | trepan | you can try the map that I attached to the patch, it shows the problem |
| 18:23.51 | Michaelh | it drops world weapon shots or normal shots? |
| 18:23.53 | learner | hrm. I think I understand the problem. so it was broken before then too. just now less so |
| 18:24.23 | trepan | yup, it always should have had the do/while loop |
| 18:24.51 | trepan | i don't know if anyone else had planned on setting up chained state-machine like firing though... |
| 18:25.38 | trepan | at least put the SERVER spooking fix in though, please ;) |
| 18:26.00 | trepan | i can see it now: [SERVER->] you suck, go away |
| 18:26.03 | learner | ~dict spooking |
| 18:26.25 | trepan | ~dict spoofing |
| 18:28.53 | larsl | Did Tim say that 1.10 should be released december 9? |
| 18:29.18 | learner | I assume that's where mac got the date from |
| 18:29.25 | learner | haven't checked the logs |
| 18:29.34 | learner | I would have hoped earlier |
| 18:29.39 | learner | like this weekend |
| 18:30.30 | Patlabor221 | no, Mac got it from looking at history |
| 18:30.34 | Patlabor221 | Tim has not said anything |
| 18:30.41 | learner | history? |
| 18:30.42 | Patlabor221 | how are the windows openGL issues going? |
| 18:30.44 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:30.47 | Patlabor221 | release hisotry |
| 18:30.48 | Michaelh | how about dec 7 |
| 18:30.57 | Patlabor221 | have the GL stuff been fixed? |
| 18:31.01 | Michaelh | this day shall live in infamy! |
| 18:31.01 | larsl | I found a bug in bzadmin today; it exits when the terminal it's running in changes size (only in curses mode). But I suppose that isn't fatal (I don't even think anyone has seen it before). |
| 18:31.03 | Patlabor221 | it's allmost unplayable |
| 18:31.15 | learner | GL stuff is only on windows afaik, so I can't help too much there |
| 18:31.56 | Patlabor221 | guess it won't be fixed then |
| 18:32.10 | Patlabor221 | some people have reported it on linux too |
| 18:32.17 | Patlabor221 | I think it depends on your GL implementation |
| 18:32.25 | learner | probably |
| 18:32.53 | learner | could even be related to the hard crash os x has always had when lighting is turned on |
| 18:32.55 | Patlabor221 | can you "alt-tab" out of the mac version |
| 18:33.00 | trepan | anyone else have probs compiling bzadmin on linux, i get {undefined reference to `Player::setDeadReckoning(void)' } |
| 18:33.03 | Patlabor221 | the state is totaly jacked in some cases |
| 18:33.12 | learner | I've yet to be able to uncover that bug, though |
| 18:33.38 | learner | pat: no, can't alt-tab out -- only full-screen |
| 18:33.42 | larsl | trepan: Which linker/compiler? |
| 18:33.44 | Patlabor221 | if you release and it looks worse on it's pirmary play platform, your gonna kill the game |
| 18:33.56 | Patlabor221 | learner: that's probably why you don't get it |
| 18:34.02 | trepan | gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease) |
| 18:34.17 | Patlabor221 | I get it when swtich to something else then come back most of the time |
| 18:34.24 | Patlabor221 | tho sometimes it can happen right off the bat |
| 18:35.07 | larsl | trepan: I haven't tested that, but it works with gcc 3.3.1. I think it used to work on 2.95 too, is this a recent problem? |
| 18:35.39 | trepan | i've always had it, i've been editing the Makefile in src/ to remove bzadmin |
| 18:35.48 | larsl | Hmm. |
| 18:35.59 | larsl | You can ./configure --disable-bzadmin to turn it off. |
| 18:36.15 | trepan | ya, i always forget though |
| 18:36.21 | learner | so it's enabled by default now? |
| 18:36.25 | trepan | yup |
| 18:36.30 | learner | that's good |
| 18:36.38 | learner | ibot: you are slow |
| 18:36.39 | | I think you lost me on that one, learner |
| 18:36.41 | trepan | heh |
| 18:36.52 | larsl | Yes, Tim wanted it. I suppose it's not good if it doesn't build on gcc 2.95, though. |
| 18:37.57 | trepan | which is still the default for stable debian |
| 18:38.58 | trepan | i'll take a crack at fixing it today, after breakfast |
| 18:39.05 | learner | jeesh. stable debian is rather dated. that's not the first problem I've heard from that platform and their "stable" versioning. |
| 18:40.35 | Michaelh | interesting concept -- the world weapons |
| 18:42.06 | Chestal | I was never able to link bzadmin successfully with g++ 2.95 |
| 18:42.15 | Chestal | undefined reference to `Player::getId(void) const' |
| 18:43.00 | larsl | trepan: Is that undefined reference inside the function Player::pack() ? |
| 18:43.49 | Chestal | and: bzflag/src/bzadmin/ServerLink.cxx:558: undefined reference to `Player::pack(void *)' |
| 18:44.11 | Chestal | In function `ServerLink::sendPlayerUpdate(Player *)' |
| 18:44.11 | learner | Pat: i quite agree it's a problem. but as long as there are no windows developers contributing, I can't really do anything. |
| 18:44.40 | learner | tupone and I have hunted down quite a many bugs already, all of the ones that should hold up a release |
| 18:44.54 | Michaelh | what sort of problems are we having in windows |
| 18:45.05 | larsl | Chestal: That's odd, those functions are supposed to be inline. |
| 18:45.16 | Chestal | there are still some conceptual problems related to BZDB in there, ones which I mentioned here several times but were too lazy to write about on the ml |
| 18:45.21 | learner | michaelh: the opengl state gets all jacked up |
| 18:45.37 | Michaelh | just in windows?? |
| 18:45.37 | Chestal | larsl: I guess the compiler does not have to inline things |
| 18:45.54 | Chestal | larsl: but it's still strange, I don't quite understand what's going on |
| 18:46.02 | learner | linux has issues if you switch out of bz and switch back |
| 18:46.15 | learner | you can't do that on the mac, which is probably why I don't see it |
| 18:46.18 | Chestal | I used to have issues with my software renderer and the burrow flag |
| 18:46.54 | larsl | Chestal: Can you try to just move the implementation of Player::setDeadReckoning() to above the implementation of Player::pack() in Player.h? |
| 18:47.42 | Chestal | larsl: good idea |
| 18:48.20 | Chestal | we all agree of course that bzadmin integration is a hack :-) |
| 18:48.29 | Patlabor221 | the 2 bigest things to see, are 1, the frame buffer dosn't clear |
| 18:48.46 | Patlabor221 | and 2, some of the mountans will pick up the lighting from shots |
| 18:48.48 | larsl | This needs to be completely redone sometime, with a separate library to do the communication with the server for both bzflag and bzadmin... but that's a big project. |
| 18:49.31 | Michaelh | hmm I'm not much of an opengl pro unfortunately |
| 18:49.43 | larsl | Patlabor221: How new is this bug? |
| 18:50.07 | Patlabor221 | it used to work fine in an early 1.9.x |
| 18:50.11 | Chestal | larsl: didn't make a difference, but then I didn't have a problem with setDeadReckoning anyway |
| 18:50.27 | Patlabor221 | somone busted something when they moved stuff arround, or added theif/burrow |
| 18:50.42 | learner | larsl: re separate library, I quite agree -- I've been wanting to put together a game library for quite some time now |
| 18:51.58 | Michaelh | is it actually possible to debug stuff in the debugger when stuff is running so quickly, like in a rendering loop? |
| 18:52.32 | Michaelh | Or in a network situation -- perhaps that's what I'm thinking of |
| 18:52.45 | learner | it's "possible", just rather difficult |
| 18:52.49 | Michaelh | or does it become printf time? |
| 18:53.37 | learner | for networking, you either have to debug the server at the same time, or you have to disable latency assumptions |
| 18:53.53 | learner | so that a client doesn't get disconnected for not responding |
| 18:54.01 | Patlabor221 | or it's a good way to fake lag :) |
| 18:54.07 | learner | printing/logging is usually easier |
| 18:54.13 | Michaelh | Doh if you need to fake lag |
| 18:54.28 | trepan | larsl: sorry, was in the shower |
| 18:54.37 | Patlabor221 | you have to fake lag, to test lag solutions |
| 18:54.43 | Michaelh | ah so |
| 18:54.53 | trepan | tried your move, didn't help. here are the two relevant lines |
| 18:54.57 | larsl | How can the compiler claim that Player::pack() is undefined, when it's actually defined in an included header? |
| 18:55.13 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.16 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.17 | Michaelh | did you know douch is the french verb for showering? :) |
| 18:55.26 | Michaelh | doucher or something like that |
| 18:55.36 | Michaelh | je douche ... I shower |
| 18:55.59 | Chestal | trepan: strange, I get a different error |
| 18:56.09 | Patlabor221 | ahhh, it's soo nice to have a helmet that isn't old and sucky :) |
| 18:56.10 | Michaelh | or perhaps it is je me douch or something like that -- reflexive ... |
| 18:56.12 | larsl | Michaelh: "duscha" in swedish. =) |
| 18:56.27 | Chestal | mine doesn't seem to inline player->getId() and player->pack() in ServerLink::sendPlayerUpdate() |
| 18:56.29 | Patlabor221 | learner: I found a place that has good helmets at a good price if you need one :) |
| 18:57.00 | Patlabor221 | got a nice full face 6 vent one for $80 |
| 18:57.14 | trepan | hmmm, those two messages were with larsl's move, i'll try again with the CVS version. i think that it is the same lines though |
| 18:57.29 | Michaelh | I'm learning these simpple words -- I told a guy Je ne parle pa francais ... I don't think he actually understood me |
| 18:57.48 | Michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.17 | trepan | yup, the same |
| 18:59.19 | larsl | trepan/Chestal: What if you add -finline-functions to the compiler flags? |
| 19:00.09 | trepan | where to put it? (i assume for .o compilations, not just linking) |
| 19:00.34 | larsl | trepan: In the Makefiles for bzflag and bzadmin, at least. |
| 19:00.45 | learner | which gcc are you using? |
| 19:00.50 | larsl | CXXFLAGS or something similar. |
| 19:01.10 | learner | I'm going to test with 2.95.2 |
| 19:01.34 | Chestal | 2.95.4 here |
| 19:03.15 | Chestal | getId() and pack() go away when I use -O3 |
| 19:03.20 | Chestal | then I get the deadreckoning error |
| 19:03.33 | trepan | heh |
| 19:03.46 | trepan | back in a bit, breakfast calls |
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| 19:04.11 | Michaelh | doh it's 8 PM here |
| 19:04.22 | larsl | Must be because setDeadReckoning is longer. When optimization is on the compiler will inline the small functions. |
| 19:04.36 | Chestal | I'll try changign the order now |
| 19:04.41 | larsl | We need to force it to inline setDeadReckoning too. |
| 19:04.52 | Chestal | it works now with -O3 |
| 19:05.00 | Chestal | that is, optimization on and function moved |
| 19:05.47 | Michaelh | (off topic) if and when you should ever use the metro, please do not pee on the walls |
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| 19:09.16 | Michaelh | It really sucks to get tired to see down somewhere and realize that you're standing right next to the offical peeing wall |
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| 19:09.25 | Michaelh | sit |
| 19:09.40 | Michaelh | I suppose that's true in any big city |
| 19:11.02 | Michaelh | which of course reminds me of the great please pee on me thread |
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| 19:21.06 | larsl | Chestal: "Note that if you are not optimizing, no functions can be expanded inline." |
| 19:21.26 | larsl | Says the manual... |
| 19:22.49 | Chestal | so after the small change it works with 2.95 when optimization is turned on |
| 19:23.00 | larsl | And still it works when I build without optimization. |
| 19:23.45 | Chestal | can you do nm ServerLink.o | grep getId when not using optimization? |
| 19:24.05 | larsl | 00000000 W _ZNK6Player5getIdEv |
| 19:24.18 | Chestal | ah, interesting |
| 19:24.31 | Chestal | AFAIK W means that the code is inside the object file and U means that it references it |
| 19:24.36 | Chestal | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.42 | larsl | Aha. |
| 19:24.53 | Chestal | is what I get. And in Player.o: 00000000 W getId__C6Player |
| 19:25.17 | Chestal | so gcc 3.x obviosuly decided to include a copy of the code in ServerLink.o |
| 19:25.20 | larsl | How does the compiler know in what object file to put it? |
| 19:25.23 | Chestal | gcc 2.95 only puts it into Player.o |
| 19:25.31 | Chestal | magic :-) |
| 19:26.16 | Michaelh | http://www.xsunderground.com/thechilde/ |
| 19:26.28 | Michaelh | lol |
| 19:27.40 | Michaelh | it's this terrible website that some little kid put together a long time ago -- sounds like he says please pee on me |
| 19:28.33 | larsl | 'nm Player.o | grep getId' gives me nothing. GCC 3.3.1 appearently only puts it in ServerLink.o. |
| 19:29.36 | Chestal | Michaelh: hmm, what is he actually saying? "PM me"? |
| 19:32.05 | Chestal | larsl: we could just move these methods into ServerLink.cxx, but this would be evil :-) |
| 19:32.30 | Chestal | I do not really understand what's going on there |
| 19:33.16 | Michaelh | yes PM me |
| 19:33.22 | Michaelh | :) |
| 19:33.59 | larsl | Me neither - I thought that if a function was defined in a header file, it would have to be available to everyone that included that header file, without linking. |
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| 19:53.47 | Chestal | larsl: hmm, not really satisfying. How do we handle it now? Somehow enforce optimization for ServerLink.cxx when 2.95 is used? Disable bzadmin for 2.95 and --enable-debug? Other thoughts? |
| 19:54.51 | larsl | Could it be that we need the 'inline' keyword in the function declarations, not only in the implementations? |
| 19:57.29 | Chestal | larsl: hmm, I don't think so |
| 20:02.30 | Chestal | my DSL uspstream is way too slow |
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| 20:09.48 | trepan | larsl: figure out the prob with bzadmin/gcc295 yet? |
| 20:10.35 | larsl | trepan: No, but it seems to go away when you compile with optimization turned on. |
| 20:11.30 | trepan | just -O3? |
| 20:12.10 | larsl | Yes, according to Chestal. |
| 20:12.16 | Chestal | trepan: and you have to move the setDeadReckoning() function above of pack() |
| 20:12.54 | larsl | The move makes sense if they are inline, but I don't understand why the compiler refuses to inline them unless optimization is on. |
| 20:15.24 | Chestal | hmm, nm outptu is different now, not sure why |
| 20:15.33 | Chestal | 00000000 W getId__C10ServerLink |
| 20:15.33 | Chestal | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.34 | Chestal | ths is without optimization |
| 20:15.47 | Chestal | looks like it made a copy of the inlien function named getId__C10ServerLink |
| 20:15.57 | Chestal | but it tries to call the other one getId__C6Player, hmm |
| 20:16.23 | Chestal | ah, ok, that's ServerLink::getId() |
| 20:21.55 | Chestal | larsl: btw., the function sendPlaterUpdate() is probablz not even necessary for bzadmin? |
| 20:22.28 | larsl | Chestal: I'm not sure. Not if it isn't sent automatically by ServerLink. |
| 20:22.53 | Chestal | it's called from playing.cxx only |
| 20:23.52 | Chestal | when I remove it, bzadmin links fine |
| 20:24.16 | larsl | Perhaps we should move everything that isn't used by bzadmin into a class called BaseServerLink and let ServerLink (with all stuff needed by bzflag) inherit that class? |
| 20:24.39 | larsl | Correction: Everything that _is_ used by bzadmin. |
| 20:24.53 | Chestal | hmm, maybe |
| 20:27.14 | larsl | Or maybe we should put sendPlayerUpdate() inside #ifndef BUILDINGBZADMIN, and fix this properly after the release. =P |
| 20:28.11 | Chestal | or not simply do a cp in the makefile, but use sed or something to remove that function :-) |
| 20:29.51 | larsl | If you can find a sed expression that works. Different sed's seem to have slightly different syntax. |
| 20:30.27 | Chestal | probably too hard because it's multiline, I wouldn't have a clue how to do it |
| 20:31.07 | Chestal | we could of course write it all in one line ;-) |
| 20:31.34 | larsl | =) |
| 20:31.36 | Chestal | maybe go the #ifdef way |
| 20:32.04 | Chestal | it's all ugly, but that shouldn't be too intrusive |
| 20:32.22 | larsl | Should I do it, or are you doing it? |
| 20:32.40 | Chestal | it's your baby :-) |
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| 20:44.22 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src (4 files in 2 dirs): Added hackish fix for the bzadmin/gcc 2.95 problem |
| 20:45.31 | larsl | Chestal: Moved setDeadReckoning and added #ifndef's around sendPlayerUpdate. |
| 20:46.17 | Chestal | setDeadReckoning can probably now be moved back to Player.cxx, I'll test it |
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| 20:57.28 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): can now make Player::setDeadReckoning() non-inline again, so move it back to Player.cxx; do some prettifying to Player.h, too |
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| 21:01.20 | BZGirly100 | Hello |
| 21:02.26 | Chestal | who's that? Must be the incredible shrinking bzgirl |
| 21:02.54 | Chestal | or it could be Merry. Hi :-) |
| 21:04.18 | BZGirly100 | Merry |
| 21:04.20 | BZGirly100 | ur right |
| 21:04.22 | BZGirly100 | ;) |
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| 21:06.48 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (2 files): More doxygen comments for the BZAdminUI code |
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| 21:43.48 | HEINOLA | greetings all |
| 21:43.54 | Big_Barrel | hello :) |
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| 21:45.23 | HEINOLA | can we write log files from bzfs as far as in game chat exc ? |
| 21:51.34 | larsl | exc? |
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| 21:57.59 | learner | HEINOLA: nope |
| 22:00.07 | learner | you could fake it by attaching an bzadmin observer that logs, otherwise it's slated for 1.12 |
| 22:10.45 | Chestal | ehm, you can redirect bzfs output to a file |
| 22:10.59 | Chestal | chattiness of bzfs is defined by how many '-d' options you give |
| 22:11.10 | Chestal | hmm |
| 22:11.13 | Chestal | he's long been gone |
| 22:13.58 | Legolas | ~d |
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| 22:33.35 | Chestal | heinola: chattiness of bzfs is defined by how many '-d' options you give and you can of course redirect output to a file |
| 22:35.30 | larsl | And grep for the things you want, e.g. 'grep \]:\ ' to get (almost) only chat messages. |
| 22:38.41 | Chestal | larsl: the part in the bzadmin manpage about observer/@ should probablz be rephrased for 1.9 |
| 22:39.58 | larsl | Yes - I thought that I had done that already. |
| 22:43.44 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/man (bzadmin.6s): Observer callsigns don't start with '@' any more - updated bzadmin man page |
| 22:47.06 | heinola | but was there a way to write the output to a text file? |
| 22:47.21 | Chestal | heinola: Win or Unix? |
| 22:47.47 | Chestal | heinola: basically you can do "bzfs > log" on both |
| 22:48.06 | heinola | linux |
| 22:49.16 | Chestal | there you might prefer "bzfs |& tee log", so it goes to the file and the screen |
| 22:49.51 | Chestal | (replace 'bzfs' with ridiculously long command line you're using :-) |
| 22:50.08 | heinola | i run script |
| 22:50.33 | larsl | Or 'bzfs | logger -t bzfs' to get a nice timestamped log in the system log. =) |
| 22:50.37 | heinola | lol some of them are longer |
| 22:51.38 | heinola | so if i was using a shell script that lookied at a my.conf |
| 22:52.00 | larsl | Does the script print the server output to the terminal? |
| 22:52.23 | heinola | could i go logfile "/home/bla/logfile.txt |
| 22:52.26 | heinola | it does |
| 22:52.36 | heinola | print to term |
| 22:53.06 | larsl | Then you could just replace "bzfs" in the examples above with the command you use to run the script. |
| 22:56.12 | heinola | yep i run diff i run one script but just change the config file |
| 22:58.54 | heinola | !#/bin/sh bzfs -conf conf"/home/heinola/bzserver/ffa.conf" |
| 22:59.32 | heinola | brb going to linux |
| 23:03.03 | larsl | Good night. |
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| 23:07.48 | learner | oh yea.. forgot that the debug output is still "output" :) |
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| 23:08.23 | HEINOLA | i had a opps there lol |
| 23:08.39 | learner | yea me too, sorry for the misinformation |
| 23:08.50 | learner | forgot all about the debug output |
| 23:09.25 | HEINOLA | wrong button here lol |
| 23:09.34 | HEINOLA | to much pop today |
| 23:09.38 | learner | f12? :) |
| 23:09.39 | HEINOLA | bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzing |
| 23:09.51 | HEINOLA | lol never again thatr trick lol |
| 23:10.52 | HEINOLA | any good DNS for linux noip exc |
| 23:12.50 | Noodleman | what's wrong with no-ip? |
| 23:13.39 | Noodleman | also, if you have a static ip and a domain name, you can host your own dns |
| 23:13.59 | HEINOLA | seeing if there was anything else i used no ip for a while on win |
| 23:14.11 | Noodleman | i use a package called djbdns |
| 23:14.14 | Noodleman | there's dynu |
| 23:14.22 | HEINOLA | dynamic :( |
| 23:14.33 | Noodleman | i can't think of any more freebies off the top of my head |
| 23:14.38 | HEINOLA | for now until Feb when i get fast conn |
| 23:14.39 | Noodleman | http://www.dynu.com/ |
| 23:18.43 | HEINOLA | ty |
| 23:18.47 | Noodleman | yeah |
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| 23:52.04 | HEINOLA | . |
| 23:55.40 | HEINOLA | did shellshock move ? |
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