| 00:00.57 | MrApathyCream | commentification :) |
| 00:05.44 | Tupone | MrApathyCream: how we celebrate? |
| 00:06.13 | learner | :) |
| 00:06.36 | Tupone | have we already got a name? |
| 00:07.03 | Tupone | psyche was that? |
| 00:08.25 | learner | I'm still fond of "Meh, it's good enough" :) |
| 00:08.44 | larsl | Will 1.10 be released on december 9? |
| 00:09.20 | Tupone | Mac has made a statistics, something like psycostoriography, and obtained that date |
| 00:09.30 | captain_proton | probably. then i bet 1.12 will be 6/19 |
| 00:11.18 | learner | two singletons converted, wee |
| 00:11.27 | captain_proton | converted? |
| 00:12.12 | MrApathyCream | learner:) |
| 00:12.13 | learner | yep.. converted over to use a base template class so that they are all the same |
| 00:12.24 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: yup |
| 00:12.47 | MrApathyCream | jeff boosted the vc6 build :( |
| 00:14.32 | Tupone | learner: I don't think a branch for the 1.11 is good. I'll prefer a branch for the 1.10. We will work a lot more on the odd version |
| 00:15.30 | learner | tupone, the branch would only live until 1.10 was released and then it would be merged and closed with head |
| 00:16.24 | Tupone | Hmm, but working way, we probably got lost searching for history |
| 00:16.49 | larsl | learner: There |
| 00:16.59 | larsl | 's a singleton in bzadmin too (UIMap). |
| 00:17.14 | learner | i noticed |
| 00:17.43 | Tupone | e.g. annotate on the current cvs gives nothing about fixes made during the 1.7g2 development |
| 00:18.21 | learner | yea, I know.. the merge commit message would have to report everything that was done on the branch |
| 00:18.40 | learner | but the branch commit messages would still be there |
| 00:19.17 | learner | i probably won't .. at least I'll wait until the 10th :) |
| 00:20.40 | Tupone | Why not creating a branch for the, let say, 1.10rc, and continue with the developing |
| 00:20.56 | learner | that would be more ideal, yes |
| 00:20.56 | Tupone | on the 10th, naturally |
| 00:21.25 | learner | but then we might have to get tim to agree :) |
| 00:21.34 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (2 files): Fixed resizing problem in bzadmin (at least for ncurses with KEY_RESIZE support (seems to be the default)), could still be improved (by rewrapping the text in the main window, for example), this won't build with PDCurses but that's OK for now since we don't use bzadmin on Windows, added some doxygen comments |
| 00:21.40 | MrApathyCream | what'ya doin? |
| 00:21.46 | Nidhoggr | must be a new cheat client available fairly broadly. I banned 4 people using a god mode just today. |
| 00:21.55 | Tupone | :( we lost on that |
| 00:23.42 | Tupone | I'm leaving! g'nite learner, Mac, bzgirl, capt , etc |
| 00:23.49 | learner | branching of a maintenance branch for 1.10 would be a very "good idea" |
| 00:23.55 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): Removed bug entry |
| 00:23.56 | learner | good night |
| 00:24.02 | Tupone | oh I forget larsl |
| 00:24.06 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-96-102.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 00:27.40 | MrApathyCream | awwwl and here i thought you were scheming some deceitful plot |
| 00:28.45 | learner | hehe |
| 00:28.54 | learner | that works for me too :) |
| 00:33.30 | MrApathyCream | jeffffff |
| 00:33.35 | MrApathyCream | booosted vc6 |
| 00:33.48 | Patlabor221 | no I fixed it |
| 00:33.59 | Patlabor221 | I built with 6 and 7 before I checked in |
| 00:34.00 | MrApathyCream | dont know how |
| 00:34.07 | Patlabor221 | let met get latest |
| 00:34.17 | Patlabor221 | it was busted this AM when I got up |
| 00:34.22 | Patlabor221 | they changed config stuff |
| 00:34.25 | Patlabor221 | what dosnt' work for you? |
| 00:34.37 | Patlabor221 | and how was your tanksgiving? :) |
| 00:34.37 | MrApathyCream | lots o |
| 00:34.39 | MrApathyCream | error C2632: 'int' followed by 'int' is illegal |
| 00:34.55 | MrApathyCream | typedef int socklen_t; |
| 00:34.56 | Patlabor221 | do you still have a config.h in your win32 dir? |
| 00:35.12 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 00:35.16 | Patlabor221 | remove it |
| 00:35.19 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 00:35.21 | Patlabor221 | there is one in /VC6 now |
| 00:35.25 | Patlabor221 | and one for /VC7 |
| 00:35.35 | Patlabor221 | it got to harry trying to support both, so I split them |
| 00:35.49 | Patlabor221 | the *nixies changed how it works on us and didn't tell us |
| 00:36.00 | Patlabor221 | so they busted older VC6 systems that don't define the socetlen thing |
| 00:36.57 | Patlabor221 | the _HAS_SOCKETLEN_T define isn't used anymore |
| 00:37.15 | Patlabor221 | you just define it if it don't exist in config.h now |
| 00:37.33 | Patlabor221 | so it now has a #ifndef socketlen_t thing in the config |
| 00:38.19 | Patlabor221 | I think you didn't have the problem cus you have the updated platform SDK that does define it |
| 00:38.29 | Patlabor221 | and I have VC7.1 that does define it as well |
| 00:39.13 | MrApathyCream | still no |
| 00:39.55 | Patlabor221 | try commenting out the line in config.h that defines it |
| 00:40.07 | Patlabor221 | may need to find a better way to do that test |
| 00:40.17 | MrApathyCream | yes that works |
| 00:40.36 | Patlabor221 | ok so it's not using the #ifndef socketlen_t then |
| 00:40.37 | Patlabor221 | hmm |
| 00:40.43 | Patlabor221 | I wonder what else we can switch on |
| 00:41.00 | Patlabor221 | is there a version define in the file that defines that? |
| 00:42.12 | MrApathyCream | um |
| 00:42.43 | learner | if it isn't define, config.h would normally contain "typedef int socklen_t", otherwise HAVE_SOCKLEN_T is defined |
| 00:42.44 | Patlabor221 | I don't have that file |
| 00:43.13 | Patlabor221 | the problemn we have learner is there are 2 versions of VC6, on has it, one dosn't |
| 00:43.27 | MrApathyCream | ws2tcpip.h |
| 00:43.28 | Patlabor221 | it all depends on if they have updated headers |
| 00:43.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah that file |
| 00:43.52 | Patlabor221 | my origonal MSDN VC6.0 dosnt' define socketlen_t |
| 00:44.04 | MrApathyCream | no version |
| 00:44.10 | Patlabor221 | but MAC has one that uses the newer windows SDK |
| 00:44.16 | Patlabor221 | can you send me your file MAC? |
| 00:44.22 | MrApathyCream | sure |
| 00:44.36 | Patlabor221 | I'll compare them and see if there is some #define that is difrent |
| 00:45.49 | MrApathyCream | sending? |
| 00:45.53 | Patlabor221 | grr at my firewall |
| 00:46.23 | Patlabor221 | what port does DCC use? |
| 00:46.33 | MrApathyCream | *shrug* |
| 00:47.17 | Patlabor221 | hang on got a plan |
| 00:47.28 | MrApathyCream | posting to my web server |
| 00:47.54 | MrApathyCream | http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/WS2tcpip.h |
| 00:48.14 | Patlabor221 | or that works |
| 00:49.52 | Patlabor221 | ahh good, looks like I can key off of IPV6 support |
| 00:49.55 | Patlabor221 | you have it , I don't |
| 00:53.02 | Patlabor221 | give that a whirl |
| 00:53.04 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (config.h): switch not on the struct, switch on if we have new headers or not. |
| 00:56.47 | Patlabor221 | this is why I find it best not to directly use low level APIs in game code :) |
| 01:52.28 | *** join/#bzflag KR (~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com) |
| 01:53.04 | KR | hi all |
| 01:56.29 | learner | howdy kr |
| 01:56.33 | learner | how went the boating? |
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| 01:58.06 | sn0w_d0ggy | Hi, all! |
| 01:58.15 | learner | hi merry |
| 02:02.15 | KR | had a good time on the boat, great way to start Thanksgiving :) going to make it "tradition" ;) |
| 02:02.25 | KR | hi merry |
| 02:02.41 | KR | ~d |
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| 02:02.48 | orchid | !debian version bzflag |
| 02:02.50 | Guu | orchid: Total matches: 0, shown: 0. |
| 02:03.01 | sn0w_d0ggy | hi orchid |
| 02:03.05 | orchid | hey merry |
| 02:03.07 | sn0w_d0ggy | hi kr |
| 02:03.23 | sn0w_d0ggy | my birfday is in a week and 2 days! |
| 02:03.25 | sn0w_d0ggy | I can't wait |
| 02:03.26 | sn0w_d0ggy | !! |
| 02:03.38 | KR | lol congrats |
| 02:03.54 | sn0w_d0ggy | ~q2 |
| 02:03.59 | KR | off to duc for a bit |
| 02:04.04 | sn0w_d0ggy | ~d |
| 02:04.09 | sn0w_d0ggy | k |
| 02:04.09 | sn0w_d0ggy | bye |
| 02:07.49 | MrApathyCream | still no go for Flag.cxx and ShotUpdate.cxx |
| 02:08.00 | learner | where were they going? |
| 02:08.08 | Patlabor221 | or not going |
| 02:08.11 | sn0w_d0ggy | bye |
| 02:11.38 | Big_Barrel | someone go play with Killer C on q2.bzlfag.org:8083 for 10 min :) |
| 02:11.39 | Big_Barrel | plz |
| 02:12.18 | orchid | /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a(glthread.o): In function `_glthread_SetTSD': |
| 02:12.18 | orchid | glthread.o(.text+0xa8): undefined reference to `pthread_setspecific' |
| 02:12.18 | orchid | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 02:12.18 | orchid | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.53 | Patlabor221 | thats deep in the GL |
| 02:13.00 | MrApathyCream | tsd thread safe data? |
| 02:13.21 | MrApathyCream | probably update your gl libs |
| 02:13.25 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:13.43 | Patlabor221 | it's the GL lib it'self not wanting to be nice not any BZ code |
| 02:13.56 | Patlabor221 | like the libs are not for your treading system or something |
| 02:15.29 | orchid | im not sure what debian packgae supplies glibs |
| 02:15.49 | Patlabor221 | gl-dev or something like that IIRC |
| 02:16.23 | orchid | libglib1.2 ? |
| 02:16.31 | orchid | libglib1.2 - The GLib library of C routines |
| 02:16.41 | Patlabor221 | sure why not :) |
| 02:16.59 | orchid | heh |
| 02:17.05 | captain_proton | glib is something completely different |
| 02:17.08 | captain_proton | you want libGL |
| 02:17.16 | MrApathyCream | Flag.cxx |
| 02:17.16 | MrApathyCream | C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDK\include\ws2tcpip.h(647) : error C2632: 'int' followed by 'int' is illegal |
| 02:17.16 | MrApathyCream | C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDK\include\ws2tcpip.h(647) : warning C4091: 'typedef ' : ignored on left of 'int' when no variable is declared |
| 02:17.22 | captain_proton | its odd that its linking with libGL.a - sure thats not something old? |
| 02:17.38 | orchid | its a fresh install of woody |
| 02:17.44 | Patlabor221 | so mac it's still doing the #def in your config.h |
| 02:17.46 | Patlabor221 | what is up with that |
| 02:17.55 | Patlabor221 | are your #ifndefs not working? |
| 02:18.06 | Patlabor221 | it should not define it |
| 02:18.12 | Patlabor221 | unless there is an order problem |
| 02:18.12 | captain_proton | orchid: what i mean is that libGL.a could be a broken library supplied by X |
| 02:18.19 | captain_proton | and libGL.so could be whatever is installed by your driver |
| 02:18.21 | captain_proton | or something |
| 02:18.41 | orchid | maybe the nvidia driver overwrote something |
| 02:19.04 | MrApathyCream | perhaps windows.h isn't included for somethings? |
| 02:19.09 | MrApathyCream | and thus the define isn't hit? |
| 02:19.39 | Patlabor221 | well it is at some point later, that is the problem you have |
| 02:19.43 | Patlabor221 | it's being defined 2x |
| 02:19.45 | MrApathyCream | yes, after config.h |
| 02:19.57 | Patlabor221 | dono |
| 02:20.05 | MrApathyCream | Flag.cxx, ShotUpdate.cxx |
| 02:20.07 | Patlabor221 | perhaps thow a windows.h in config.h |
| 02:20.18 | Patlabor221 | or move windows up before the common.h inclue |
| 02:21.57 | MrApathyCream | hmm slapping in Windows.h in Flags.cxx causes duplicate everything errors in winsock |
| 02:22.31 | Patlabor221 | probably in platform |
| 02:22.38 | Patlabor221 | in some sort of winsock include |
| 02:23.12 | orchid | checking for glBegin in -lGL... no |
| 02:23.13 | orchid | checking for gluScaleImage in -lGLU... no |
| 02:23.23 | orchid | im getting that during configure |
| 02:23.37 | orchid | everything else checks yes |
| 02:23.41 | MrApathyCream | network.h |
| 02:24.04 | Patlabor221 | just swap it all to enet :) |
| 02:26.19 | MrApathyCream | i guess i just comment it out :( |
| 02:27.09 | Patlabor221 | throw a #include for that file before the test in config.h |
| 02:27.13 | Patlabor221 | that should do it |
| 02:28.35 | MrApathyCream | w00t |
| 02:28.58 | Patlabor221 | I asume it did it |
| 02:29.15 | MrApathyCream | well.. |
| 02:29.24 | MrApathyCream | if i put them at the top of Flag.cxx it fixes Flags.cxx |
| 02:29.37 | MrApathyCream | but if i put them in config.h, i get a bazillion dup errrors |
| 02:29.46 | Patlabor221 | them == ? |
| 02:29.56 | MrApathyCream | #include <winsock2.h> |
| 02:29.56 | MrApathyCream | #include <ws2tcpip.h> |
| 02:30.05 | MrApathyCream | as found in network.h |
| 02:30.16 | Patlabor221 | odd but ok |
| 02:30.34 | Patlabor221 | commit that and I will try to build with my VC |
| 02:30.55 | MrApathyCream | commit it in config.h? |
| 02:31.00 | MrApathyCream | or Flag.cxx |
| 02:31.12 | Patlabor221 | what ever builds for you |
| 02:32.34 | learner | silly windows |
| 02:32.48 | Patlabor221 | silly VC6 actualy |
| 02:33.10 | Patlabor221 | not defing a noraml sockets thing till 1/2 way thru the product |
| 02:33.10 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/common (2 files): fix the socket_len prob on vc6 |
| 02:33.33 | Patlabor221 | VC7+ does not have this issue |
| 02:34.30 | Patlabor221 | silly BZ app code for using low level net structs in game code too |
| 02:34.40 | MrApathyCream | more to come |
| 02:34.41 | Patlabor221 | what if you wanted to take the thing to some other networking system |
| 02:34.44 | MrApathyCream | unfortunately |
| 02:34.50 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 02:34.58 | MrApathyCream | bill would slap you |
| 02:35.19 | Patlabor221 | what if somone makes QTXF/IP and it's "THE Shziznit!" |
| 02:35.28 | Patlabor221 | would be a pain for us to change |
| 02:36.40 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/net (5 files): fix sock_len prob on vc6 new headers |
| 02:37.08 | Patlabor221 | I fixed someproblems in the VC6 projects too |
| 02:37.15 | Patlabor221 | some of the inc files were not right still |
| 02:37.23 | MrApathyCream | i can believe it |
| 02:38.10 | Patlabor221 | and really, need to teach these people to put a farkin F after all there decimal values |
| 02:39.01 | Patlabor221 | ahh but I forget the compiler they use isn't that compliant :) |
| 02:40.29 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 02:40.39 | Patlabor221 | tho nether is yours |
| 02:40.41 | MrApathyCream | they are not on the bzdev platform of choice |
| 02:40.50 | MrApathyCream | i catch the needed f's |
| 02:41.14 | Patlabor221 | you catch the shorts to uint_8? |
| 02:41.22 | learner | compliant? float blah = 0.0; // not an error |
| 02:41.29 | Patlabor221 | it's a warning |
| 02:41.36 | Patlabor221 | don't you all see them? |
| 02:41.46 | Patlabor221 | gahhh BZFS is full of em |
| 02:41.51 | learner | right, it's a warning |
| 02:41.57 | MrApathyCream | not sure about the trunc warnings |
| 02:41.59 | Patlabor221 | and should all code not be warning free? |
| 02:42.04 | learner | no, compiler doesn't complain -- it "does the right thing" |
| 02:42.06 | Patlabor221 | to ease the debuging |
| 02:42.27 | Patlabor221 | ohh mine works, it just lets me know the code is crap :) |
| 02:42.41 | Patlabor221 | tho this one could be bad |
| 02:42.55 | Patlabor221 | lot of short to byte and long to short assigments in bzfs |
| 02:43.50 | Patlabor221 | wonder when that changed |
| 02:44.14 | Patlabor221 | I'm just trying to make less text for you all, cus you know, I care :) |
| 02:44.20 | Patlabor221 | and you have a LOT of text |
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| 02:45.51 | Patlabor221 | ohh this is a good one |
| 02:46.05 | Patlabor221 | pingReply.maxTime = (int)0.0f; |
| 02:46.15 | trepan | heh |
| 02:47.40 | Patlabor221 | I just think that its nice to see 0 errors 0 warnings |
| 02:48.07 | learner | my compile is error/warning free :) |
| 02:48.09 | Patlabor221 | so that when you add new code, and you get warnings, you know it's something you did, and maybe it will help you know if you have a problem |
| 02:48.16 | Patlabor221 | you turned them off |
| 02:48.21 | learner | nope |
| 02:48.40 | Patlabor221 | dosn't show the warnings by default? |
| 02:49.17 | MrApathyCream | 0:0 agreed |
| 02:49.17 | learner | it does |
| 02:49.40 | Patlabor221 | I just like having something to bitch about in the compiler wars :) |
| 02:50.18 | Patlabor221 | tho that template thing did baffle me |
| 02:51.05 | MrApathyCream | this is really irritating |
| 02:51.25 | learner | problem with code like the double to float problem is that it is conformant, and might have been what I intended. regardless if it isn't, there's nothing "wrong" with it. |
| 02:51.25 | MrApathyCream | you would think you could add those two includes to the config file |
| 02:51.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah you would |
| 02:51.43 | MrApathyCream | but then you get dup errors |
| 02:51.49 | MrApathyCream | why? they are ifdef protected |
| 02:51.57 | Patlabor221 | dono |
| 02:53.16 | Patlabor221 | well VC7 builds with your changes |
| 02:53.19 | Patlabor221 | checking my VC6 now |
| 02:54.04 | MrApathyCream | vc6 still boosted |
| 02:54.06 | MrApathyCream | for me |
| 02:54.18 | MrApathyCream | still more includes to add |
| 02:54.31 | Patlabor221 | sux |
| 02:54.50 | Patlabor221 | downdate your headers :) |
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| 02:55.46 | Patlabor221 | or you could come up to 7.1 |
| 02:55.52 | learner | weee.. all singletons converted |
| 02:55.56 | Patlabor221 | your last changes build in my 6.0 just fine |
| 02:56.48 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): make with the typecasting for those of us who belive that all warnings are flaws. |
| 02:57.27 | Patlabor221 | I think I am gonna kill adobe |
| 02:58.21 | learner | have any in mind MAC? =) |
| 02:59.30 | Patlabor221 | do they work? |
| 02:59.59 | learner | yep, didn't change functionality at all really |
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| 03:01.13 | MrApathyCream | Well, BZ needs a face lift, so how bout the decorator pattern |
| 03:01.15 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
| 03:01.30 | learner | heh |
| 03:01.34 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (BZAdminClient.cxx): quell some deep compiler moaning (header error) on os x gcc 3.3 |
| 03:01.40 | learner | Mmm.. skinning |
| 03:02.05 | Patlabor221 | redo the texture loader first |
| 03:03.44 | Patlabor221 | by the godess it will change res on the fly :) |
| 03:03.56 | Patlabor221 | even go full screen or windowed on the fly now :) |
| 03:05.08 | Patlabor221 | I must say that tank looks prety slick rendered at 1600x1200 |
| 03:06.10 | learner | hehe |
| 03:07.38 | Patlabor221 | http://ryoko.bakadigital.com/temp/tanky.jpg |
| 03:07.58 | Patlabor221 | can see all the crap in the texture |
| 03:08.40 | learner | yep.. |
| 03:08.50 | Patlabor221 | I made the default list server room icon be a little tank |
| 03:11.50 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (Singleton.h): simplified interface and removed the creation and threading policies (so just new/delete and not thread safe for now). Documented usage as well. |
| 03:13.24 | MrApathyCream | ;( |
| 03:32.04 | Patlabor221 | it allso now allows you to specify a wallpaper image for when you are in the menus :) |
| 03:38.12 | Patlabor221 | http://ryoko.bakadigital.com/temp/largeShot.jpg |
| 03:39.03 | captain_proton | augh, the lens flares, they burn |
| 03:39.46 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 03:39.53 | Patlabor221 | you can replace the image with anyting |
| 03:39.58 | Patlabor221 | and the default is black |
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| 03:41.21 | Patlabor221 | how bout this one, http://ryoko.bakadigital.com/temp/largeShot2.jpg |
| 03:41.58 | Patlabor221 | this is true |
| 03:42.04 | captain_proton | heh, ecchi |
| 03:42.04 | Patlabor221 | I just had paint up tho |
| 03:56.44 | scanline | project24's logo is a power switch icon? |
| 03:56.54 | Patlabor221 | for now, yeah |
| 03:57.10 | Patlabor221 | coudn't think of anything better |
| 03:57.13 | scanline | mmkay |
| 03:57.14 | Patlabor221 | and it looked kinda coo |
| 03:57.22 | Patlabor221 | got any ideas? |
| 03:57.30 | scanline | how about a really really big orange flashing "24" in sanskrit |
| 03:57.50 | Patlabor221 | orange? |
| 03:57.58 | scanline | or brown |
| 03:58.08 | scanline | preferably dithered somehow |
| 03:58.47 | Patlabor221 | flashing? |
| 03:58.53 | scanline | really fast |
| 03:59.05 | Patlabor221 | is the plan to cause seasures? |
| 03:59.08 | scanline | you'll need support for the <blink> tag in your 3D engine |
| 03:59.45 | Patlabor221 | the menu system uses a dialog type item system, so you just derive one off and make it blink |
| 03:59.48 | Patlabor221 | would be simple |
| 03:59.52 | scanline | NO |
| 03:59.54 | scanline | <blink> tag! |
| 04:00.02 | Patlabor221 | ok, make it take the blink tag then |
| 04:00.05 | scanline | your menus must be changed to support HTML 2.6 |
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| 04:00.22 | Patlabor221 | you should see the menu transitions, they crossfade :) |
| 04:00.29 | scanline | ooooooooooooh |
| 04:00.39 | scanline | crossfades, from a project that doesn't even have support for the basic blink tag |
| 04:00.43 | scanline | so sad |
| 04:00.45 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 04:00.56 | Patlabor221 | I am the odd one, you know that |
| 04:01.18 | Patlabor221 | actulay some of this is caps code I think |
| 04:01.25 | Patlabor221 | ye olde panel manager |
| 04:01.50 | JBdiGriz | we seem to have lost the bzflag.org dns servers |
| 04:03.07 | JBdiGriz | ~bzflist |
| 04:03.27 | JBdiGriz | ~xmission |
| 04:03.45 | JBdiGriz | ~nslookup xmission.bzflag.org |
| 04:04.36 | Patlabor221 | actualy the buttons kinda "throb" on a hover, can that count as blink? |
| 04:08.05 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (BZAdminClient.cxx): who's got clear in std::string? |
| 04:10.34 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz_ (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
| 04:12.50 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (bryjen@ky-owensboro1a-242.owboky.adelphia.net) |
| 04:13.12 | bryjen | ~nslookup bzbb.bzflag.org |
| 04:18.40 | Quol | anybody listening? |
| 04:21.18 | JBdiGriz | what? |
| 04:26.11 | Patlabor221 | whoa, I didn't know that XP could go into 320x200 mode |
| 04:30.33 | MrApathyCream | pretty aint it |
| 04:30.58 | Patlabor221 | not really, my UI isn't made for less then 800x600 :) |
| 04:31.00 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Cleanup textures step 1: prelim refactor |
| 04:32.28 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: where do you wanna go from here? |
| 04:32.30 | Quol | you still there JB? |
| 04:32.49 | Patlabor221 | well optimaly all textures should be managed by a single thing |
| 04:32.57 | Patlabor221 | able to load textures at run time |
| 04:33.03 | MrApathyCream | did you lookie? |
| 04:33.04 | Patlabor221 | initaly specified by name |
| 04:33.06 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 04:33.14 | MrApathyCream | up |
| 04:34.00 | Quol | bed time for me... |
| 04:34.03 | Quol | see ya |
| 04:34.08 | Patlabor221 | you added files? |
| 04:34.23 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 04:34.28 | Patlabor221 | to what projects? |
| 04:34.30 | Patlabor221 | and what files? |
| 04:34.34 | Patlabor221 | I have to add them to .net |
| 04:34.36 | MrApathyCream | ogl and include |
| 04:34.45 | MrApathyCream | TextureManager.cxx and .h |
| 04:34.56 | Patlabor221 | is that my manager or something else? |
| 04:34.56 | MrApathyCream | and i moved texture.h from bzflag to include |
| 04:35.02 | MrApathyCream | something else |
| 04:35.04 | MrApathyCream | of course |
| 04:35.09 | MrApathyCream | it is simplistic |
| 04:36.07 | MrApathyCream | ah i guess i gotta fixee the nix build |
| 04:36.30 | Patlabor221 | it needs to be a lot more generic |
| 04:36.39 | Patlabor221 | and can't use enums for the actual textures |
| 04:37.22 | Patlabor221 | since it's not a simple type/variant type of thing |
| 04:37.58 | Patlabor221 | also who is doing the binding? |
| 04:38.13 | Patlabor221 | openGLGState? |
| 04:39.09 | MrApathyCream | binding? |
| 04:39.12 | Patlabor221 | cus generaly you want to minimse binds |
| 04:39.23 | Patlabor221 | when using texture objects ( all cards today ) |
| 04:39.32 | Patlabor221 | you set a texture as the currrent one to use |
| 04:39.35 | Patlabor221 | that is called binding |
| 04:39.41 | Patlabor221 | you want to do that as few times as posible |
| 04:39.55 | MrApathyCream | mm, well that hasn't changed |
| 04:39.57 | Patlabor221 | so usualy you sort objects by texture ID |
| 04:40.03 | Patlabor221 | I know, where is it being done |
| 04:40.16 | Patlabor221 | I see that the texture object does the acual bind |
| 04:40.20 | Patlabor221 | but who sorts them |
| 04:40.31 | MrApathyCream | dunno |
| 04:40.34 | MrApathyCream | looking |
| 04:40.46 | MrApathyCream | it could be that objects aren't sorted by texture |
| 04:40.53 | MrApathyCream | i'd be willing to guess |
| 04:40.58 | Patlabor221 | be nice to get rid of all the non texture object cases |
| 04:41.13 | Patlabor221 | as I can't think of a system in the last 5 years that can't do a bind |
| 04:41.23 | Patlabor221 | tho maybe Tims old irix |
| 04:41.51 | MrApathyCream | heh |
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| 04:43.19 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC71 (ogl.vcproj): add the apathetic new wonder files |
| 04:45.27 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/ogl (Makefile.am): Fixee the nixee |
| 04:47.51 | MrApathyCream | hmm OpenGLDisplayList, seems to only be used for background stuff--mountains, ground, etc |
| 04:48.18 | Patlabor221 | that would make sense |
| 04:48.20 | Patlabor221 | they never change |
| 04:48.24 | Patlabor221 | so lists are good for them |
| 04:48.32 | Patlabor221 | and noone can colide with them |
| 04:48.36 | Patlabor221 | they are fluff |
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| 04:52.16 | MrApathyCream | sorting seems to happen in SceneRenderer::render |
| 04:52.21 | MrApathyCream | but that seems to be depth first |
| 04:52.27 | MrApathyCream | not texture based |
| 04:52.28 | Patlabor221 | that needs to be done too |
| 04:52.42 | Patlabor221 | well only if you don't have a Z buffer |
| 04:52.45 | MrApathyCream | i assume this is only for when depth buffer is turned on |
| 04:52.52 | Patlabor221 | or are doing transpeancys |
| 04:52.55 | Patlabor221 | off |
| 04:53.01 | Patlabor221 | if you have a zbuffer |
| 04:53.02 | *** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (david@electricelf.usercloak.freenode) |
| 04:53.03 | Patlabor221 | you are good |
| 04:53.09 | Patlabor221 | that's the kinda stuff I want to rip |
| 04:53.16 | Patlabor221 | asume they have a z buffer |
| 04:53.27 | Patlabor221 | if they don't, tell them to come into the 90s |
| 04:53.30 | MrApathyCream | but chestals squirrels don't! |
| 04:53.33 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 04:53.38 | MrApathyCream | really |
| 04:54.51 | MrApathyCream | i mean depth buffer = off, means no texture sorting |
| 04:54.57 | MrApathyCream | right? |
| 04:55.17 | Patlabor221 | you would still want to do texture sorts no mater what |
| 04:55.36 | Patlabor221 | the only thing the Z buff woudl change would be that you draw back to front |
| 04:55.43 | Patlabor221 | still sorting textures for stuff that dosn't overlap |
| 04:55.49 | MrApathyCream | gotcha |
| 04:56.28 | MrApathyCream | you really want getTexture("RedBolt")? |
| 04:56.36 | Patlabor221 | tho if you don't ahve a z buffer, you have no right doing textures |
| 04:56.48 | MrApathyCream | ya |
| 04:57.19 | Patlabor221 | cus that means your on a pentium |
| 04:57.22 | Patlabor221 | or a 486 |
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| 04:57.56 | MrApathyCream | your feeling is that riker will say no, to kill the zbuffer off option? |
| 04:58.40 | Patlabor221 | what you really should do is detach all that stuff |
| 04:58.47 | Patlabor221 | so that we can make multiple renderers |
| 04:59.00 | Patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 04:59.06 | Patlabor221 | he may |
| 04:59.09 | Patlabor221 | he may not |
| 04:59.30 | MrApathyCream | has he been around, or is he waiting for 12/9? |
| 04:59.52 | purple_cow | /win 4 |
| 05:00.21 | Patlabor221 | take all the current stuf, get all the rendering abstracted |
| 05:00.35 | Patlabor221 | and make to so that all the rendering stuff is in a single project |
| 05:00.51 | Patlabor221 | then make it so that based on a build configuration, you link with one of multiple libs |
| 05:00.57 | Patlabor221 | then leave the current stuff as it is |
| 05:01.15 | Patlabor221 | and then make a copy and rip it a new one |
| 05:01.44 | Patlabor221 | and have the old one set to like a "my computer sucks" build option |
| 05:02.00 | Patlabor221 | since I don't think all of Tims supported platforms can do dynamic loading plugin renderers |
| 05:03.11 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:03.13 | Patlabor221 | then do the same thing with the hud and sound :) |
| 05:03.45 | Patlabor221 | at that point then you can have a headless client too :) |
| 05:04.27 | Patlabor221 | then take the logic for each game type, and make them all nice and seperate based on some base game class |
| 05:04.36 | Patlabor221 | so there isn't a ton of if tests |
| 05:06.10 | Patlabor221 | then remove platform and hook up SDL :) |
| 05:06.58 | Patlabor221 | then remove net and replace it with net |
| 05:07.00 | Patlabor221 | enet |
| 05:07.07 | Patlabor221 | then remove sound and replace it with openAL |
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| 05:18.07 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): terminate the texture manager |
| 05:21.10 | Patlabor221 | didya make it a singlton? |
| 05:21.56 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:22.06 | MrApathyCream | but i resisted the urge to use learners class |
| 05:22.14 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): more texs |
| 05:22.24 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 05:22.38 | Patlabor221 | would not one singleton implemenation be preferable? |
| 05:23.29 | Patlabor221 | ohh sorry forgot your prefrence for the reinvention of the circular locomotion devices :) |
| 05:24.36 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:25.04 | MrApathyCream | i wasn't gonna be the guinea pig. it isn't used afaik |
| 05:25.22 | Patlabor221 | then why is it there? |
| 05:25.54 | MrApathyCream | learner likes to play |
| 05:26.11 | Patlabor221 | surely the devs would have all agreed on the implemetaion of such an important core structure? |
| 05:26.16 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:26.20 | MrApathyCream | surely |
| 05:26.47 | MrApathyCream | i just approved it cause i saw you had signed off on it already |
| 05:26.50 | Patlabor221 | cus that "Shove it on up in there" methodology supports all that kinda stuff right? |
| 05:26.51 | MrApathyCream | so i didn't really look at it |
| 05:27.17 | Patlabor221 | I don't do anyting unless people ask or complain too much anymore, you know that |
| 05:29.02 | MrApathyCream | gruff but loveable jeff |
| 05:29.08 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 05:29.39 | Patlabor221 | well I still don't see anything chaning |
| 05:33.53 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (BackgroundRenderer.cxx): oops |
| 05:38.00 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 05:38.29 | Chikorita | is bzflag.org still down? |
| 05:39.03 | Chikorita | ~quol |
| 05:39.35 | *** part/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@ACA5E0EF.ipt.aol.com) |
| 05:46.13 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@ACA5E0EF.ipt.aol.com) |
| 05:46.31 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): more texs |
| 05:51.44 | GenRommel | -q2 |
| 05:51.47 | GenRommel | -quol |
| 05:51.59 | Patlabor221 | ~quol |
| 05:52.11 | GenRommel | it looks like the domain is down |
| 05:52.27 | Patlabor221 | there are DNS issues |
| 05:54.01 | GenRommel | did some major DNS server go down or just their ISP? |
| 05:56.36 | GenRommel | anyways, I can't believe I have to wake up tomorrow, er - it's today |
| 05:56.39 | Patlabor221 | I think it was just tim |
| 05:56.56 | Patlabor221 | all the blzflag.org stuff is wigin |
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| 06:03.35 | GenRommel | Patlabor221 - nice to meet you so early in the morning, I don't believe I've seen you playing before - what's your bz nick? |
| 06:03.46 | Patlabor221 | the same as here |
| 06:03.49 | Patlabor221 | I don't play |
| 06:03.51 | fhffhqvb | list.bzflag.org A record not found, server failure |
| 06:03.53 | Patlabor221 | not much at least |
| 06:03.58 | Patlabor221 | yes the dns is donw |
| 06:03.59 | GenRommel | ugh |
| 06:04.10 | Patlabor221 | and it's not morning here :) |
| 06:04.15 | fhffhqvb | snort. |
| 06:04.26 | GenRommel | if you don't play - then what is your interest? |
| 06:05.00 | Patlabor221 | well It started when I worked on geting the very first version of BZ to work on windows |
| 06:05.06 | Patlabor221 | back in the day |
| 06:05.26 | *** part/#bzflag fhffhqvb (fhff@c51471c2e.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 06:05.37 | Patlabor221 | awww sussidio got boored |
| 06:05.52 | GenRommel | that must've been mid-90's, because I was playing bzflag on SGI in 93-94 |
| 06:06.02 | Patlabor221 | yes it was 95 IIRC |
| 06:06.07 | Patlabor221 | or maybe 96 |
| 06:06.11 | GenRommel | so you ported a game you have no interest in playing? |
| 06:06.15 | Patlabor221 | I did not port |
| 06:06.24 | Patlabor221 | I helped CRS get it to work proper |
| 06:06.32 | Patlabor221 | I made the windows editor |
| 06:06.40 | Patlabor221 | I yell at MrApathyCream a lot :) |
| 06:06.54 | Patlabor221 | and I run the BZBB |
| 06:07.15 | Patlabor221 | mostly it just cus of the few good people left |
| 06:07.19 | GenRommel | nice meeting you |
| 06:07.24 | Patlabor221 | you as well |
| 06:07.47 | Patlabor221 | And so I can steal all the devs, and make them work on the Uber pojekt :) |
| 06:08.14 | GenRommel | Uber? what would that be? |
| 06:08.25 | Patlabor221 | it means above all others |
| 06:08.30 | *** join/#bzflag |tim| (~|tim|@ip68-106-184-191.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 06:08.41 | GenRommel | i know Deutschland Uber Alles :) |
| 06:09.05 | Patlabor221 | so a project above all others |
| 06:09.15 | GenRommel | World Domination (tm) ? |
| 06:09.16 | Patlabor221 | of the 24th degree |
| 06:09.21 | MrApathyCream | so jeff, could you jump from the beginning, or was that added later, and if so, was there alot of hubbub about it? |
| 06:09.43 | Patlabor221 | when I started, net play was seen as just silly |
| 06:09.46 | Patlabor221 | and I htink you could jump |
| 06:09.59 | Patlabor221 | there was not a list server back in the day IIRC |
| 06:10.15 | Patlabor221 | I recall no hubub about jumping |
| 06:10.17 | GenRommel | no list server - we played on a LAN |
| 06:10.21 | Patlabor221 | but then there also was no reall comunity |
| 06:10.29 | GenRommel | you know something |
| 06:10.31 | Patlabor221 | I just worked on what I was told |
| 06:10.38 | GenRommel | back in the day I used to play a lot of netrek |
| 06:10.46 | GenRommel | they had a list server |
| 06:11.01 | GenRommel | they had authenticated client/server to prevent cheating |
| 06:11.01 | Patlabor221 | bzflag is a lan game |
| 06:11.12 | Patlabor221 | the list server was added as an afterthought |
| 06:11.33 | GenRommel | but for some reason I don't play netrek anymore |
| 06:11.44 | Patlabor221 | tastes change |
| 06:11.45 | GenRommel | you really need a good 8 people team to play it |
| 06:11.53 | Patlabor221 | noone plays the same games forever |
| 06:12.01 | Patlabor221 | so if the game can't evolve it will get turnover |
| 06:12.29 | Patlabor221 | that's why people still play quake, all the mods and stuff, the game has evolved so it can keep people |
| 06:12.36 | GenRommel | I keep telling guys to look at netrek when they complain of cheaters and lag issues, but then nobody cares |
| 06:13.06 | Patlabor221 | autnetication isn't really a good cheat prevention alone |
| 06:13.15 | GenRommel | no more doom/quake for me - i don't even like jumps - get dizzy easily |
| 06:13.16 | Patlabor221 | IIRC nettrec does authoritive server as well |
| 06:13.31 | Patlabor221 | that is the core cheat protection |
| 06:13.43 | GenRommel | netrek releases "blessed" clients in binary only |
| 06:13.44 | Patlabor221 | binary client verification would be very problimatatic |
| 06:13.48 | Patlabor221 | yes, we can't do that |
| 06:13.52 | Patlabor221 | too many platforms |
| 06:14.20 | Patlabor221 | and it would be easy to fake if it was still open source |
| 06:14.32 | Patlabor221 | the rule is, you can never trust a client |
| 06:14.33 | Patlabor221 | ever |
| 06:14.35 | GenRommel | you only need to compile once :) there was/is even a netrek client for apollo - whatever that is :) |
| 06:14.50 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (HUDui.cxx): more texs |
| 06:14.57 | Patlabor221 | sure, you wana make me a single binary that works on all linux platforms? |
| 06:15.13 | GenRommel | statically compiled - heheh |
| 06:15.35 | Patlabor221 | still if source was tehre, a packet sniffer and some hacks and you can fake the auth |
| 06:15.44 | Patlabor221 | just see what a good client sends |
| 06:15.46 | Patlabor221 | and send that |
| 06:15.57 | Patlabor221 | now your "blessed" as well |
| 06:16.21 | GenRommel | what you're saying is that you can fake PKI infrastructure |
| 06:16.30 | GenRommel | you should be working for the NSA :) |
| 06:16.49 | Patlabor221 | is nettrec open source? |
| 06:16.53 | GenRommel | yes |
| 06:16.58 | GenRommel | it's open source |
| 06:17.14 | Patlabor221 | ok, then is there some difrence between the source and the binarys that are blessed? |
| 06:17.20 | Patlabor221 | some module that is not open? |
| 06:17.57 | Patlabor221 | or do they verify all input fromt he client is correct based on the output sent to the client? |
| 06:18.04 | Patlabor221 | to verify it's logic? |
| 06:18.10 | GenRommel | exactly |
| 06:18.19 | Patlabor221 | so it is an authoritive server |
| 06:18.26 | Patlabor221 | you don't need a blessed binary in that case |
| 06:18.33 | GenRommel | if a client does not respond correctly to the RSA challenge from a server, it's deemed to be a bot client |
| 06:18.33 | Patlabor221 | cus you are verifying all input |
| 06:18.41 | Patlabor221 | ohh it's just a challange thing |
| 06:18.46 | Patlabor221 | not all input? |
| 06:18.47 | GenRommel | no - not all input |
| 06:19.02 | GenRommel | just an initial "handshake" RSA challenge |
| 06:19.04 | Patlabor221 | so is the code to generate a proper responce open? |
| 06:19.15 | GenRommel | yes, but the key is not |
| 06:19.32 | Patlabor221 | and the key is in blessed binarys? |
| 06:19.35 | GenRommel | yes |
| 06:19.48 | Patlabor221 | so if I use an assembly level debuger I can go grab the key |
| 06:19.57 | Patlabor221 | cus I have the source and I know how it sends it |
| 06:20.01 | Patlabor221 | I plug that into my client |
| 06:20.03 | Patlabor221 | I'm good |
| 06:20.34 | Patlabor221 | they have to give out the key, they just try to hide it the best they can |
| 06:20.45 | Patlabor221 | ofuscation is not security |
| 06:21.28 | GenRommel | i am not a crypto specialist, but i have not seen anybody cheat |
| 06:21.42 | Patlabor221 | sure, I'm sure they do more then just the auth thing |
| 06:21.53 | Patlabor221 | all you have to do is verify that input makes sense |
| 06:21.56 | GenRommel | www.netrek.org |
| 06:22.00 | Patlabor221 | then that really limits what you can do |
| 06:23.07 | Patlabor221 | if they don't have lag issues on the net then that have to have some sort of compensating server state |
| 06:23.16 | Patlabor221 | cus no code can make a packet go faster |
| 06:23.53 | GenRommel | all of the computation is done server-side |
| 06:24.09 | GenRommel | with a timestamp on a client-side |
| 06:24.17 | Patlabor221 | yes that is an authoritive server state |
| 06:24.18 | GenRommel | so if a server says you're hit, then you're hit |
| 06:24.20 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 06:24.25 | Patlabor221 | that is your core cheat protection |
| 06:24.33 | Patlabor221 | the auth stuff is just to make it harder to make bots |
| 06:24.43 | Patlabor221 | if they didn't have that, you would still only be able to send valid input |
| 06:24.52 | Patlabor221 | techinaly that's not "cheating" |
| 06:24.56 | Patlabor221 | it's just not using a human |
| 06:25.02 | Patlabor221 | the input is still game valid |
| 06:25.07 | Patlabor221 | not like flying tanks |
| 06:25.17 | Patlabor221 | that's sending data that is outside of the game "rules" |
| 06:25.50 | GenRommel | yes, logically speaking you could write a piece of code to interpret the little dots on the screen |
| 06:25.56 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 06:26.18 | GenRommel | but that makes it too hard for the purpose - which is merely a game |
| 06:26.19 | Patlabor221 | but I see a "cheat" as doing stuff that is not allowed by the rules |
| 06:26.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah, you just ahve to make a barier to cheat |
| 06:26.53 | Patlabor221 | I'm doing something like that |
| 06:27.01 | GenRommel | i think in this case the barrier would be very-very hight |
| 06:27.05 | Patlabor221 | dev built binarys are "signed" using closed source logic |
| 06:27.13 | Patlabor221 | stuff built from the open source is "unsigned" |
| 06:27.20 | Patlabor221 | and they show as seperate in the list server |
| 06:27.41 | Patlabor221 | somone could find the key in a day if they really wanted to |
| 06:28.19 | Patlabor221 | in my case the onlything signed and unsigned bins do is let users know if they are connecting to a moded server or not |
| 06:28.27 | Patlabor221 | the server still does an authoritive state |
| 06:29.06 | GenRommel | check this out: http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/rec.games.netrek/2001-November/003812.html |
| 06:29.07 | Patlabor221 | so that lets people still experiment with the open source part and make the game grow |
| 06:30.02 | Patlabor221 | there is even one more way, find the auth module, and pull out the assembly, then put it into a built client |
| 06:30.08 | Patlabor221 | let it do it's thing as a black box |
| 06:30.33 | Patlabor221 | since you have source you know where in mem it will probably be and all that |
| 06:31.06 | Patlabor221 | RSA is not a surefire way to verify a binary |
| 06:31.12 | GenRommel | well, the only thing you don't know is all the challenges |
| 06:31.13 | Patlabor221 | since you have to send the key |
| 06:31.25 | Patlabor221 | you don't need to, you just use the existing code |
| 06:31.28 | Patlabor221 | it knows them |
| 06:31.37 | Patlabor221 | and it knows how to compute the responces |
| 06:31.40 | Patlabor221 | so just use that |
| 06:31.44 | Patlabor221 | in it's raw form |
| 06:31.57 | Patlabor221 | RSA is a good way to verify a user account and stuff tho |
| 06:32.07 | Patlabor221 | you could have keys made for each user |
| 06:32.21 | Patlabor221 | would be rather hard to do identity theft then |
| 06:32.29 | GenRommel | :-) |
| 06:32.32 | Patlabor221 | unless you got access to the core key database |
| 06:32.58 | GenRommel | i know - but again - it's not some super-duper secrets we're talking about |
| 06:33.04 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 06:33.14 | Patlabor221 | this is probably good engouh for them |
| 06:33.29 | GenRommel | people wouldn't put all this effort in - just to look good in some game |
| 06:33.34 | Patlabor221 | for BZ, a game with 200 or so players, I don't see it really adding things |
| 06:33.46 | GenRommel | network gaming doesn't get you laid, you know :) |
| 06:33.52 | Patlabor221 | this is VERY true |
| 06:34.32 | Patlabor221 | a RSA key type system here would require a much more orginised mangament backend then the project currently has |
| 06:34.55 | Patlabor221 | where as simple server side improvements can help the vulgar cheats |
| 06:35.10 | Patlabor221 | without redoing the entire managment/build/release system |
| 06:35.28 | GenRommel | even moving some computation to server side would help a lot |
| 06:35.35 | Patlabor221 | thats what I am saying |
| 06:35.41 | GenRommel | the simplest thing ever - don't get killed :) |
| 06:35.55 | Patlabor221 | the server dosnt' even have a gamestate right now |
| 06:35.59 | GenRommel | reduce tank size or don't even respond when killed |
| 06:35.59 | Patlabor221 | it dosnt' know where shots are |
| 06:36.23 | Patlabor221 | so It can't even do hit or proper spawn computations |
| 06:36.29 | Patlabor221 | and none of the messages are time stamped |
| 06:36.41 | GenRommel | spawns - don't even start me on those :) |
| 06:36.44 | Patlabor221 | so no single computer has an acurate game state |
| 06:37.03 | Patlabor221 | you wana change your spawn, go ahead, each client computs it's own |
| 06:37.30 | GenRommel | heh - thanks for the tip :) |
| 06:37.43 | Patlabor221 | a good number of the cheats do that |
| 06:37.51 | Patlabor221 | that and just spawning shots right inside tanks |
| 06:39.03 | GenRommel | so - bzserver only re-broadcasts whatever clients send? no checking? |
| 06:39.18 | Patlabor221 | it does a tad bit of checking now |
| 06:39.21 | Patlabor221 | the speed kicks |
| 06:39.27 | Patlabor221 | the out of world kicks and stuff |
| 06:39.29 | Patlabor221 | but yeah |
| 06:39.49 | Patlabor221 | it does keep the score now, but based on each clients input |
| 06:40.02 | GenRommel | hmmm... |
| 06:40.18 | GenRommel | because there have been situations when my score was not credited for a kill |
| 06:40.29 | Patlabor221 | yes there are bugs in it |
| 06:40.37 | GenRommel | i guess the other client didn't acknowledge a kill, even though he blew up |
| 06:40.40 | Patlabor221 | since its' based on client input, |
| 06:41.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah, he could not have sent a "I lost a point" message |
| 06:41.06 | Patlabor221 | or your "I got a point" message didn't make it |
| 06:41.16 | Patlabor221 | since the server dosnt' do kills, it's buggy |
| 06:41.40 | Patlabor221 | like the speed kick, since the server dosnt' compute acceleration, just pos, it has to guess at it, and it's offten wrong |
| 06:41.47 | Patlabor221 | with all the difrent flags and states |
| 06:41.51 | Patlabor221 | jumping and all that |
| 06:42.00 | GenRommel | ok man, it's past 1:30 here, I'm going to try to get some sleep, but check out netrek |
| 06:42.02 | Patlabor221 | the server dosn't know if your jumping, it just knows your off the ground |
| 06:42.08 | Patlabor221 | or above Z0 |
| 06:42.16 | Patlabor221 | I did |
| 06:42.21 | GenRommel | for the ctf - which is no jumping, their code might be swappable - with diff gui :) |
| 06:42.29 | Patlabor221 | it's basicly the same stuff I've been thinking about |
| 06:42.35 | GenRommel | good night then :) |
| 06:42.36 | Patlabor221 | just more on the server |
| 06:42.38 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 06:42.41 | GenRommel | ciao |
| 06:44.05 | Patlabor221 | why is it that when people see another game that does something vaugly like the game they like, they asume that you can jsut take it and shove it in? |
| 06:44.38 | Patlabor221 | cus no jumping != no z movement |
| 06:46.14 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/ogl (TextureManager.cxx): patch corruption |
| 06:49.46 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:50.55 | Patlabor221 | looks like basicly netrek is basicly doing what I am doing, just more emphisas on not allowing bots at all |
| 06:51.10 | Patlabor221 | and they curb new dev a lot with that method |
| 06:51.20 | Patlabor221 | each new server needs a new entire client binary |
| 06:52.57 | MrApathyCream | bah, silly |
| 06:53.04 | Patlabor221 | it has some merit |
| 06:53.15 | Patlabor221 | it's just not right for bzflag |
| 06:53.40 | Patlabor221 | not when it's devs are more putterers then a lean mean dev force to be reconed with |
| 06:53.55 | Patlabor221 | you could not just go in and add a new feature |
| 06:54.58 | Patlabor221 | there would be a bottleneck on the "blessed" people |
| 06:55.10 | Patlabor221 | all client changes would be beholdent to them |
| 06:55.46 | Patlabor221 | I'm just using that type of method to let users know where a server comes from |
| 06:55.53 | Patlabor221 | kinda reverse usage |
| 06:57.06 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): more texs |
| 06:57.39 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:03.09 | Patlabor221 | I must say the menu system looks rather slick with a background image :) |
| 07:04.05 | purple_cow | as slick as wasabi's menu? :) |
| 07:04.16 | Patlabor221 | not quite that slick |
| 07:04.24 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 07:04.27 | Patlabor221 | somewhere between the BZ menu and that |
| 07:04.34 | Patlabor221 | it is what I aspire to :) |
| 07:04.37 | MrApathyCream | way to burst his bubble |
| 07:04.41 | purple_cow | heh |
| 07:04.44 | MrApathyCream | ya meenie |
| 07:04.52 | Patlabor221 | ohh I know there are many slicker things :) |
| 07:05.35 | Patlabor221 | I do take some pride in the knowledge that this stuff is now easy to change so that later when somone wants to put more time into it, it can be made wasabi class slick |
| 07:06.15 | Patlabor221 | who did the art for wasabi? |
| 07:06.25 | purple_cow | scanline & i did all the icons |
| 07:06.27 | purple_cow | via blender |
| 07:06.31 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 07:06.49 | Patlabor221 | thats what I need to do, I'm just runnin of stock art for now |
| 07:06.50 | purple_cow | came up with a nice style for them i think |
| 07:07.02 | Patlabor221 | yes, it has a very "together" look |
| 07:07.02 | purple_cow | went beyond apple's lickable-ness and straight to edible :) |
| 07:07.08 | scanline | yep yep |
| 07:07.30 | Patlabor221 | it must look kick ass in motion |
| 07:07.41 | scanline | indeed |
| 07:07.48 | purple_cow | you should be able to get it running in win32 ;) |
| 07:07.59 | scanline | it's really inefficient as it is now |
| 07:08.07 | scanline | but runs fast enough on our overkill hardware |
| 07:08.11 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 07:12.13 | Patlabor221 | well I have atempted to make all my interface based on a base "item" so that they can be swaped out later and not affect the menu logic |
| 07:12.32 | Patlabor221 | tho sans blink tag :) |
| 07:15.21 | Patlabor221 | wow this card suports some odd resolutions, 1360x768 |
| 07:15.27 | Patlabor221 | WTF is that for? |
| 07:18.34 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): show the mcnasty |
| 07:30.05 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): kick on explode bug |
| 07:34.28 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (config.h): use the latest |
| 07:48.47 | MrApathyCream | well i'm off, having caused enough damage |
| 09:17.21 | *** part/#bzflag trepan (~trepan@CPE0040f42db082-CM00e06f15f704.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 09:34.24 | *** join/#bzflag bomber (~bomber@ap97.physik.uni-frankfurt.de) |
| 09:34.27 | bomber | moin |
| 10:10.18 | *** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-113-133.hispeed.ch) |
| 10:21.31 | *** join/#bzflag grobi233 (~grobi233@www.timberfrog.com) |
| 10:39.12 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (dennis@blade25.cs.auc.dk) |
| 10:43.51 | [dmp] | bzflag.org is down? |
| 10:44.09 | [dmp] | or is it the dns that is foobar'd ? |
| 10:44.20 | [dmp] | cant connect to bzflag.org, bzbb.bzflag.org |
| 10:46.21 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-209-1-24-199.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:46.50 | bomber | me 2 |
| 10:50.56 | [dmp] | dennis@blade25:dennis/ host bzflag.org |
| 10:50.57 | [dmp] | Host bzflag.org not found: 2(SERVFAIL) |
| 10:54.13 | [dmp] | damn, somebody bought bzflag.dk :( |
| 11:02.01 | grobi233 | 1 bzflag.com works |
| 11:48.37 | *** join/#bzflag rooter_the ([9a1udSg3W@webguy.cc.westga.edu) |
| 11:48.43 | rooter_the | ~d |
| 11:48.59 | rooter_the | is ducati down? I can't connect |
| 11:54.13 | rooter_the | is anybody here? |
| 11:54.46 | rooter_the | too much of an echo in here. |
| 11:57.50 | rooter_the | ~x en ger this sucks |
| 12:01.53 | bomber | me 2 |
| 12:01.57 | bomber | nlol |
| 12:02.11 | rooter_the | :) |
| 12:02.38 | rooter_the | oh well... so much for the my ducati addiction |
| 12:03.18 | bomber | maybe another server? |
| 12:03.20 | rooter_the | i can't get to http://www.bzflag.org either |
| 12:03.30 | rooter_the | i can't get to quol either |
| 12:03.34 | bomber | lol |
| 12:04.33 | bomber | bzflag.pimpi.org? |
| 12:05.10 | rooter_the | yeah |
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| 13:20.32 | [dmp] | rooter_the: it seems bzflag.org's nameserver is odd today. So no *.bzflag.org seems to work. |
| 13:27.51 | KR | I noticed that too, dmp. After trying ducati, no server at all came up on the list |
| 13:28.18 | [dmp] | yeah, bzflag.org controls the listserver too :( |
| 13:28.51 | KR | guess that means its time to start work... :( |
| 13:29.50 | [dmp] | :-) |
| 13:39.58 | learner | Program received signal EXC_BAD_ACCESS, Could not access memory. |
| 13:39.59 | learner | 0x0009bcf4 in OpenGLTexture::unref() () |
| 13:41.43 | KR | got a confirmation email dmp - thx |
| 13:42.08 | [dmp] | KR: You're welcome :) |
| 13:42.34 | [dmp] | KR: you will now suffer from the "I got a match, go to ducati now"-mails :) |
| 14:09.02 | Pimpinella | i set up another ducati-style sever (in germany too) while ducati is inaccessible |
| 14:13.29 | KR | anyone up for a few minutes of bz? I'll be at pimpi's server :) |
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| 15:08.27 | Death_Barrel | hey guys..... are these sites working for you guys? >>>> |
| 15:08.46 | Death_Barrel | www.bzflag.org/league bzbb.bzflag.org |
| 15:08.49 | rooter_the | nope |
| 15:08.50 | Death_Barrel | ? |
| 15:08.53 | Death_Barrel | ah ok |
| 15:08.59 | Death_Barrel | so it isnt just me |
| 15:09.10 | rooter_the | [dmp]: "it seems bzflag.org's nameserver is odd today. So no *.bzflag.org seems to work. " |
| 15:09.31 | Death_Barrel | hi root |
| 15:09.36 | Death_Barrel | it has been a while |
| 15:09.38 | rooter_the | hello |
| 15:09.40 | Death_Barrel | how you been? |
| 15:09.43 | rooter_the | not bad |
| 15:09.44 | rooter_the | busy |
| 15:09.46 | *** topic/#bzflag by [dmp] -> http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/20/bzflag.html || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || beta builds http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds/ || http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs470ta/labs/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || bzflag.org / *.bzflag.org do not work |
| 15:09.48 | Death_Barrel | same here |
| 15:10.15 | rooter_the | how was your thanksgiving? |
| 15:10.19 | Death_Barrel | any clue as to how long it will be down? |
| 15:10.28 | Death_Barrel | good, great turkey and ham!! how about u? |
| 15:10.43 | Death_Barrel | good beer ;) |
| 15:10.52 | *** join/#bzflag larsl_school (~LarsL@mat01.nada.kth.se) |
| 15:11.35 | Death_Barrel | they injected the turkey with a butter jalapeno combo |
| 15:11.38 | rooter_the | it was good... too many relatives... but with enouch beer who cares |
| 15:11.41 | rooter_the | interesting |
| 15:11.44 | Death_Barrel | it was the best turkey i have ever had |
| 15:12.11 | Death_Barrel | and my wife mad a ham.....and it was the best ham i have ever had...melted in my mouth!! |
| 15:12.33 | [dmp] | bzflag.com/league seems to work, but is very slow (here) |
| 15:12.38 | Death_Barrel | i am sure i gained about 10 pounds over the 4day weekend ;) |
| 15:13.03 | rooter_the | can't even get there here |
| 15:13.35 | Death_Barrel | i can't get there either |
| 15:14.05 | [dmp] | i can, after a few mins :) |
| 15:14.11 | Death_Barrel | lucky |
| 15:14.13 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 15:15.16 | rooter_the | ah... i can now... but it's slow |
| 15:15.31 | Death_Barrel | www.bzflag.org/league |
| 15:15.52 | Death_Barrel | i still can't |
| 15:16.00 | [dmp] | try .com |
| 15:16.17 | Death_Barrel | ok |
| 15:16.27 | Chestal | .org works for me, but slow |
| 15:16.27 | Death_Barrel | www.bzflag.com/league ?? |
| 15:16.50 | Chestal | might be due to galeon's aggressive DNS caching |
| 15:17.07 | rooter_the | it works for me on one machine but not on another... i think it has something to do with timeout |
| 15:17.24 | Death_Barrel | ok .com works for me but slow |
| 15:17.42 | Death_Barrel | very slow :( |
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| 15:19.01 | Death_Barrel | i hate this proxy |
| 15:19.14 | Death_Barrel | i think it boots me every 15min |
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| 15:22.05 | Death_Barrel | good morning JB |
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| 15:26.52 | Death_Barrel | morning noodle |
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| 15:28.11 | [dmp] | Chestal: "host" tells me: Host bzflag.org not found: 2(SERVFAIL) |
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| 15:34.44 | Noodleman | Death_Barrel: mornin |
| 15:35.55 | Death_Barrel | how was your thanksgiving? |
| 15:36.26 | Nidhoggr | good morning, all. |
| 15:36.46 | Noodleman | it was good |
| 15:37.02 | Noodleman | lay around, watch cartoons, eat, eat, and eat :-) |
| 15:37.11 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 15:37.12 | Noodleman | and play a little bzflag |
| 15:37.19 | Death_Barrel | hehe |
| 15:37.33 | Noodleman | how was yours? |
| 15:37.41 | Death_Barrel | yeah mine was eat eat eat....drink drink drink....bz bz bz! |
| 15:37.41 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): Added configure check for pod2man (used to generate a man page from bzfquery.pl), configure will fail now if it can't find pod2man, should it maybe ignore it instead and just don't make the manpage? |
| 15:38.01 | Death_Barrel | damn turkey made me tired lol |
| 15:38.25 | Noodleman | turkey's got tryptophan |
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| 15:38.35 | Noodleman | that's what makes it so good :-) |
| 15:38.38 | Death_Barrel | damn proxy!! |
| 15:38.44 | Noodleman | turkey's got tryptophan |
| 15:38.45 | Noodleman | that's what makes it so good :-) |
| 15:38.48 | Death_Barrel | yeah |
| 15:39.46 | Nidhoggr | turkey.. the real man's sedative. |
| 15:39.47 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:40.11 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 15:40.15 | Nidhoggr | our neighbors got broken into twice in last 2 weeks. |
| 15:40.24 | Nidhoggr | they are having alarm installed today. |
| 15:40.34 | Noodleman | ugh |
| 15:40.36 | Nidhoggr | we are not in bad neighborhood either. |
| 15:40.38 | Nidhoggr | but... |
| 15:40.41 | Noodleman | anything get stolen? |
| 15:40.45 | Nidhoggr | a lot. |
| 15:40.55 | Nidhoggr | all her jewelry and her electronics. |
| 15:41.03 | Noodleman | i hope they had insurance |
| 15:41.12 | Nidhoggr | my partner was home sick last week and heard knocking at door. |
| 15:41.20 | Nidhoggr | answered door, was hispanic teen |
| 15:41.26 | Nidhoggr | "is melissa here?" |
| 15:41.35 | Nidhoggr | no one named melissa ever lived at our place. |
| 15:41.43 | Noodleman | weird |
| 15:41.57 | Nidhoggr | partner saw beige low rider with 2 more hispanic teens in it on street. |
| 15:42.24 | Nidhoggr | talked to neightbor... she said cops told her they chased beige late model car through the alleys in the neighborhood. |
| 15:42.49 | Nidhoggr | I want to put webcam in our back yard. |
| 15:42.54 | Noodleman | good idea |
| 15:43.14 | Nidhoggr | also want to put glass break sensors on our alarm. |
| 15:44.04 | Noodleman | i really think that theft would be greatly reduced if they would just get rid of prohibition on drugs |
| 15:44.28 | Noodleman | it makes drugs so darned expensive, people have to steal to get them |
| 15:44.52 | Noodleman | and they think, "well, i'm doing something illegal anyway, what's the harm in doing more?" |
| 15:45.08 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 15:45.35 | Noodleman | and drugs only harm the people that use them |
| 15:45.56 | Nidhoggr | I agree with legalizing drugs. |
| 15:46.08 | Noodleman | it makes no sense |
| 15:46.13 | Nidhoggr | takes the money out of the hands of the criminals. |
| 15:46.43 | Noodleman | why allow alcohol to be legal when it has even more capacity to tear apart homes and harm people? |
| 15:46.55 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 15:47.21 | Nidhoggr | a good friend of mine has recently destroyed most of his life with alcohol. |
| 15:47.33 | Nidhoggr | pushed all his friends and girlfriend away. |
| 15:47.44 | Nidhoggr | kinda sad. |
| 15:47.50 | Noodleman | and then they make marijuana illegal, and that can only harm someone that is using it |
| 15:48.03 | Nidhoggr | it's a social thing. |
| 15:48.22 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 15:48.26 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:48.35 | Nidhoggr | sounds like we agree on something anyway. |
| 15:48.39 | Noodleman | yeah |
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| 15:49.03 | Noodleman | we probably agree on alot of political things |
| 15:49.35 | Nidhoggr | probably. |
| 15:49.54 | Nidhoggr | I am liberal socially, and conservative economically. |
| 15:50.10 | Noodleman | likewise |
| 15:51.18 | Nidhoggr | feels wierd to be at work after 4 days off. |
| 15:51.39 | Noodleman | yeah, i bet :-) |
| 15:51.50 | Nidhoggr | so far things are quiet. |
| 15:52.08 | Nidhoggr | we have strobes when hosts go down or tickets open up. |
| 15:52.23 | Nidhoggr | no flashing yet this morning. |
| 15:52.32 | Noodleman | you mean, a light flashes? |
| 15:52.42 | Noodleman | a real physical light flashes? |
| 15:52.43 | Nidhoggr | and it looks like we are headed for a record bandwith throughput today. |
| 15:52.44 | Nidhoggr | yes. |
| 15:52.46 | Noodleman | that's cool! |
| 15:52.57 | Nidhoggr | our little NOC is pretty cool. |
| 15:53.04 | Noodleman | ~me googles |
| 15:53.08 | Nidhoggr | we have a scoreboard that scrolls ticket info, etc. |
| 15:53.35 | Nidhoggr | I should take pics in here and post them. |
| 15:54.03 | Nidhoggr | I'm fairly sure our flashing lights are home grown. |
| 15:54.21 | Nidhoggr | serial to relay controllers |
| 15:54.36 | Noodleman | cool |
| 15:54.44 | Pimpinella | wow secretplace is pretty crowdet |
| 15:54.52 | Pimpinella | hi all |
| 15:54.58 | Nidhoggr | yes, it's always crowded lately. |
| 15:54.59 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:55.01 | Nidhoggr | hiya |
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| 15:55.16 | Pimpinella | only one free slot |
| 15:55.17 | Nidhoggr | I want to put up a rotating server, too. |
| 15:55.25 | brlcad | howdy |
| 15:55.31 | Nidhoggr | hi brlcad |
| 15:56.04 | Nidhoggr | I still need to figure out why I can't use the hostname, or it won't show up on listserver. |
| 15:56.05 | Noodleman | jeez, why would a serial activated relay cost $389 ?? |
| 15:56.09 | Nidhoggr | we tried again the other day. |
| 15:56.28 | Nidhoggr | noodle, let me check with our chief engineer and see what he ordered/payed. |
| 15:56.32 | Pimpinella | for me it works again |
| 15:56.34 | Noodleman | ok |
| 15:56.46 | Nidhoggr | he might even be able to help with scripts. |
| 15:56.47 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.14 | Nidhoggr | I'll try again later, when I have time to restart and it's not so full. |
| 15:57.25 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 15:57.38 | Nidhoggr | it's harder and harder to find low usage times. |
| 15:58.09 | Pimpinella | anyone knows why bzflag.org's DNS is down? |
| 15:58.29 | Nidhoggr | dunno |
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| 15:58.59 | Death_Barrel | when i was in Germany, i caught an guy breaking into my arms room! |
| 15:59.01 | Nidhoggr | our new hack is pretty cool. shows admins as (A) on /lagstats... and shows @ people in lagstats. |
| 15:59.10 | Nidhoggr | oh, that's smart. :) |
| 15:59.11 | Noodleman | either ns1.codepoet.org or ns.mecworks.com is messed up |
| 15:59.44 | Death_Barrel | it was a rush |
| 16:00.17 | Pimpinella | ur arms room? |
| 16:00.28 | Death_Barrel | yeah, our weapons room |
| 16:00.30 | brlcad | room filled with body parts -- arms :) |
| 16:00.37 | Noodleman | lol |
| 16:00.40 | Death_Barrel | arms room= room full of weapons |
| 16:00.47 | Death_Barrel | military |
| 16:00.55 | Pimpinella | aaaaaahhhhhhh |
| 16:02.24 | Pimpinella | laws concerning weapons r not as they r in us |
| 16:02.24 | Death_Barrel | when i did a tour in europe....our Rules of Engagement were shoot to kill, don't fire a warning shot |
| 16:02.40 | Pimpinella | in germany? |
| 16:02.45 | Death_Barrel | yes |
| 16:02.53 | Pimpinella | amazing |
| 16:02.58 | Death_Barrel | you are to give 3 warnings |
| 16:03.09 | Death_Barrel | then shoot to kill, no warning shot |
| 16:03.27 | Death_Barrel | naturally this guy stoped and gave himself up :) |
| 16:03.47 | Pimpinella | if u do that in us i believe, but in germany... |
| 16:04.01 | Death_Barrel | no, US orders are warning shot |
| 16:04.06 | Noodleman | i think everybody that doesn't have a violent criminal background should be able to carry concealed weapons |
| 16:04.06 | Death_Barrel | in most places |
| 16:04.16 | Death_Barrel | yep :) |
| 16:04.24 | Pimpinella | no |
| 16:04.28 | Death_Barrel | yes ! |
| 16:04.30 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:04.34 | Noodleman | that way, nobody can get mugged |
| 16:04.37 | Death_Barrel | but must be trained the proper way |
| 16:04.47 | Noodleman | because everybody will be armed |
| 16:04.49 | Death_Barrel | lol, want to hear a mugging story? |
| 16:05.01 | Noodleman | well, everybody still has to have a firearms permit |
| 16:05.10 | Noodleman | sure, let's hear it |
| 16:05.12 | Death_Barrel | ok |
| 16:05.19 | Death_Barrel | when i was in basic training |
| 16:05.38 | Death_Barrel | i had a drill sergeant who was special forces platoon sgt |
| 16:05.53 | Death_Barrel | he was with his wife and kids one day at an atm |
| 16:06.02 | Pimpinella | atm? |
| 16:06.09 | Noodleman | bank machine |
| 16:06.16 | Death_Barrel | (i mind you that in ft. bragg, they were issued permits to carry their side arm |
| 16:06.17 | Pimpinella | ntnx |
| 16:06.22 | Death_Barrel | anyways |
| 16:06.32 | Death_Barrel | this guy pull a gun to his back |
| 16:06.42 | Death_Barrel | and right infront of his wife and kid |
| 16:06.55 | Death_Barrel | he turned around and emptied his clip on the mugger |
| 16:07.00 | Noodleman | haha! |
| 16:07.06 | Death_Barrel | yep |
| 16:07.13 | Death_Barrel | i loved that story! |
| 16:07.21 | Death_Barrel | it pumped me up |
| 16:07.21 | Noodleman | that's why everyone should be able to carry concealed weapons |
| 16:07.28 | Death_Barrel | yeah |
| 16:07.33 | Death_Barrel | to an extent |
| 16:07.35 | Death_Barrel | one sec |
| 16:07.39 | Noodleman | of course |
| 16:07.46 | Death_Barrel | we will finish this conversation when i get back |
| 16:07.51 | Death_Barrel | ;) |
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| 16:09.31 | brlcad | DB==DM? |
| 16:09.44 | Noodleman | it doesn't make that much difference now, does it? :-) |
| 16:10.16 | Pimpinella | DM? |
| 16:10.26 | brlcad | sure.. I wouldn't talk about DM without him being around but that DB fella.. I tell ya.. |
| 16:10.40 | Pimpinella | whos dm? |
| 16:10.52 | brlcad | Dead_Meat |
| 16:10.55 | [dmp] | DeathMeat |
| 16:11.04 | brlcad | pappy to Big_Barrel |
| 16:11.19 | Pimpinella | no, DB==DB |
| 16:11.36 | brlcad | well, that's obvious :) |
| 16:11.42 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 16:11.43 | [dmp] | BB==DB too |
| 16:12.07 | [dmp] | in the barrel-context anyway :) |
| 16:12.27 | brlcad | BB's not old enough :) |
| 16:12.46 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: what was up with secretplace yesterday, really bad connections........just curious. |
| 16:12.49 | brlcad | to have served in germany .. but his father is (and he did server, iirc) |
| 16:12.57 | brlcad | s/ver/ve/ |
| 16:13.32 | Pimpinella | DB is chief of HoW |
| 16:14.16 | [dmp] | BB/BigBarrel have always been chief of HoW. |
| 16:15.29 | brlcad | *cough* *cough* |
| 16:15.30 | Death_Barrel | ok srry guys |
| 16:15.34 | Death_Barrel | back now :) |
| 16:15.48 | Death_Barrel | DB = Big Barrel |
| 16:15.50 | brlcad | Death_Barrel: who are you? :) |
| 16:15.53 | brlcad | ah hehe |
| 16:16.02 | Death_Barrel | i am big barrel |
| 16:16.13 | Death_Barrel | the arteest formally known as big barrel ;) |
| 16:16.18 | brlcad | you're old enough to have already served in germany?? |
| 16:16.23 | Death_Barrel | yes |
| 16:16.32 | brlcad | young cadet, eh? :) |
| 16:16.40 | Pimpinella | i served in germany too :) |
| 16:16.55 | Death_Barrel | you are german? |
| 16:17.00 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 16:17.31 | Death_Barrel | cool, it is a law over there to serve like 2yrs in public service |
| 16:17.41 | Death_Barrel | right? |
| 16:17.52 | Pimpinella | only 1 year now |
| 16:17.55 | Death_Barrel | ah |
| 16:17.59 | Death_Barrel | hehe |
| 16:18.07 | Death_Barrel | it was 2 when i was over there |
| 16:18.11 | Death_Barrel | i think |
| 16:18.11 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:18.31 | Pimpinella | well then u r over 35 years old |
| 16:18.41 | Death_Barrel | really? |
| 16:18.44 | Death_Barrel | nah |
| 16:18.51 | Pimpinella | at least! |
| 16:18.55 | Death_Barrel | i thought it was 2 yrs like only 1 yr ago |
| 16:19.04 | Death_Barrel | i could be worng |
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| 16:19.21 | Pimpinella | i served 94/95 and only for 1year |
| 16:19.21 | Death_Barrel | obviously i am ;) |
| 16:19.27 | Death_Barrel | wow |
| 16:19.28 | Death_Barrel | cool |
| 16:19.41 | Death_Barrel | hmm, r u sure they did not bump it up since then? |
| 16:20.07 | Pimpinella | its only 10 month now IIRC |
| 16:20.28 | Death_Barrel | i was talking to some german air force cadets, and i thought that was what they said |
| 16:20.31 | brlcad | Pimpinella is just dodging the draft :) |
| 16:20.33 | Death_Barrel | i guess i am wrong |
| 16:20.39 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:20.49 | Death_Barrel | anywho |
| 16:20.52 | Death_Barrel | i got a user |
| 16:20.55 | Pimpinella | ~x en de draft |
| 16:21.00 | Death_Barrel | with a problem i have never seen before |
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| 16:21.38 | Death_Barrel | windows explorer won't open.....and give this error message "Unable to run this command" |
| 16:21.46 | david_v | hello folks. anyone else who has problems reaching bzflag.org right now? |
| 16:21.51 | Pimpinella | they should stop it, nobody can learn the job in only 10 month |
| 16:22.00 | Death_Barrel | yeah |
| 16:22.03 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:22.10 | brlcad | draft is what you call it when the gov calls you to military service |
| 16:22.12 | Death_Barrel | 10 months is crazy |
| 16:22.22 | Death_Barrel | no point |
| 16:22.40 | Pimpinella | david_v: DNS is down |
| 16:22.56 | Death_Barrel | anywhoo....about the weapons |
| 16:22.57 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:23.05 | david_v | Pimpinella: hm. any idea why? |
| 16:23.08 | Pimpinella | i served at the navy |
| 16:23.10 | Death_Barrel | those damn criminals |
| 16:23.15 | Death_Barrel | i was US Army |
| 16:23.35 | Pimpinella | david_v: no, try ducati.unix_ag.com, should work |
| 16:24.12 | Pimpinella | never went on a ship, but server in a server-room |
| 16:24.14 | Chestal | .unix-ag.org that is |
| 16:24.21 | Pimpinella | served |
| 16:24.45 | Pimpinella | tnx Chestal |
| 16:25.20 | david_v | Chestal: is there a workaround to access the website? or logging into the forum? |
| 16:25.41 | Death_Barrel | yes |
| 16:25.44 | Death_Barrel | use .com |
| 16:25.50 | Death_Barrel | bzbb.bzflg.com |
| 16:26.01 | Death_Barrel | www.bzflag.com/league |
| 16:26.03 | Pimpinella | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/ |
| 16:26.14 | Death_Barrel | those worked "very slow" last time i checked |
| 16:26.15 | david_v | Pimpinella: i can't login with that, it tries to redirect me to bzflag.org |
| 16:26.25 | Pimpinella | works for me |
| 16:26.28 | Pimpinella | hmm |
| 16:26.31 | Death_Barrel | the whole problem is screwed up! |
| 16:26.45 | david_v | hm, well thanks anyway, maybe i can clean out my cookies and retry |
| 16:27.03 | Death_Barrel | oki :) |
| 16:27.37 | Death_Barrel | is nidhoggr still here? |
| 16:28.02 | Pimpinella | amazing, host bzbb.bakadigital.com fails |
| 16:28.07 | Chestal | david_v: put www.bzflag.org 66.35.250.210 in your /etc/hosts :-) |
| 16:28.38 | Death_Barrel | pimp: try bzbb.bzflag.com |
| 16:28.59 | david_v | Chestal: ah, duh. thanks :) |
| 16:29.04 | Pimpinella | Host bzbb.bzflag.com/ not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 16:29.04 | Chestal | david_v: eh, the other way around |
| 16:29.11 | Death_Barrel | hmmm |
| 16:29.14 | david_v | Chestal: i get your point ,that's enough :) |
| 16:29.21 | Chestal | david_v: hmm, I don't think so |
| 16:29.28 | Chestal | david_v: or maybe you do, whjo knows :-) |
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| 16:29.41 | Death_Barrel | works for me |
| 16:29.47 | Death_Barrel | bzbb.bzflag.com |
| 16:29.56 | david_v | Chestal: huh :) |
| 16:30.44 | Death_Barrel | *.bzflag.org is down, i did a nslookup |
| 16:30.53 | Death_Barrel | could not find |
| 16:30.54 | Pimpinella | Chestal: yes, but i could open it with Konqueror, has Konqueror cache on its own? |
| 16:31.34 | Pimpinella | if host cant resolve it konq. also shouldnt |
| 16:31.35 | Death_Barrel | i know how to slove this whole problem :) |
| 16:31.56 | Pimpinella | recover the NS? |
| 16:32.11 | Death_Barrel | we load all these machines on a big truck and throw them out of the truck and various speeds ;) |
| 16:32.12 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:32.33 | Death_Barrel | say 100-200 kpH |
| 16:32.57 | Death_Barrel | then we turn around and run em over ;) |
| 16:32.58 | Pimpinella | this would resolve them, indeed :) |
| 16:33.20 | Death_Barrel | it has always worked for me ;) |
| 16:33.22 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:33.24 | [dmp] | hej david_v |
| 16:33.43 | Death_Barrel | well, windows machines |
| 16:33.53 | Death_Barrel | win really pissess me off |
| 16:34.11 | Death_Barrel | it is just asking to be tossed out of a truck at various speeds |
| 16:35.30 | bomber | cant connect to ducati :o( |
| 16:36.22 | *** topic/#bzflag by [dmp] -> http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/20/bzflag.html || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || beta builds http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds/ || http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs470ta/labs/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || bzflag.org / *.bzflag.org do not work ducati@ ducati.unix-ag.com |
| 16:36.57 | Death_Barrel | ~d |
| 16:37.16 | Death_Barrel | hi bomber :) |
| 16:37.37 | [dmp] | bomber: ducati.unix-ag.com:5156 my master, chestal, says :) |
| 16:37.41 | Death_Barrel | well it looks like the following teams are entering the IST Finals: |
| 16:38.08 | Death_Barrel | #1 USA, #2 Canada, #3 Poland, #4 Italy |
| 16:38.39 | Death_Barrel | USA will match Italy, Canada will match poland .... and the winners will match for the championship |
| 16:39.01 | Death_Barrel | i am not sure i like the way the IST is setup |
| 16:39.15 | bomber | dmp: unknow host :o) |
| 16:39.22 | bomber | lol |
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| 16:40.11 | Pimpinella | also no access to ducati for me now |
| 16:40.22 | Pimpinella | it worked before |
| 16:40.27 | Pimpinella | :( |
| 16:40.41 | bomber | bzflag.pimpi.org.... |
| 16:41.46 | Pimpinella | yes, changed the map after ducati got inaccessible |
| 16:42.20 | bomber | 5155 |
| 16:42.21 | Pimpinella | no other ducati-style-server in europe:( |
| 16:42.43 | bomber | should i set one ? |
| 16:43.06 | *** topic/#bzflag by [dmp] -> http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/20/bzflag.html || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || beta builds http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds/ || http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs470ta/labs/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || bzflag.org / *.bzflag.org do not work ducati@ ducati.unix-ag.org |
| 16:43.25 | [dmp] | bomber: not .com .. .org :-) |
| 16:43.35 | bomber | lets try |
| 16:43.50 | Pimpinella | mine is in europe |
| 16:43.53 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 16:44.03 | Pimpinella | pimpi.org is mine |
| 16:44.21 | bomber | is working...but nobody inside |
| 16:44.25 | bomber | n:o(( |
| 16:44.37 | brlcad | nheh |
| 16:44.49 | bomber | ducati.unix-ag.org |
| 16:46.02 | Pimpinella | [dmp]: turkey? |
| 16:47.00 | brlcad | anyone know what has happened to dutchrai and his site? (other than the fact that the site is gone) |
| 16:47.47 | Pimpinella | cu later, gt work :( |
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| 16:52.57 | david_v | [dmp]: hey, was eating :) |
| 16:58.27 | Death_Barrel | ~d |
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| 17:04.46 | [dmp] | david_v: :-) We're still trying to make our project look like something we might pass :-) |
| 17:05.29 | david_v | [dmp]: heh |
| 17:06.51 | [dmp] | david_v: actually, im drawing shadows on an arrorw on the blackboard.. :) forgot that blackboards can be quite fun :) |
| 17:08.08 | david_v | [dmp]: er ok :) |
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| 17:34.43 | larsl | What's the email address in the topic? |
| 17:35.10 | Patlabor221 | dono |
| 17:35.37 | Patlabor221 | perhaps a dns entry for ducati |
| 17:35.44 | Patlabor221 | since tim is AWOL again |
| 17:35.51 | Patlabor221 | allong with his DNS |
| 17:37.48 | Chestal | there's no email address in the topic |
| 17:42.23 | Patlabor221 | it kinda looks like one |
| 17:42.43 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.47 | Patlabor221 | if you don't see the space |
| 17:43.27 | Chestal | ah, my ircii here wraps the topic after ducati@ :-) |
| 17:43.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah mine did too |
| 17:43.46 | Patlabor221 | it coudl confuse somone tho |
| 17:44.01 | Patlabor221 | since your just trying to save 2 chararacters :) |
| 17:44.05 | Patlabor221 | any word on Tim? |
| 17:44.08 | Patlabor221 | or what is up? |
| 17:44.28 | Chestal | I didn't set it, if you want, do ducati= or something |
| 17:44.35 | Chestal | no idea |
| 17:44.44 | JBdiGriz | Tracing back the SOA records, it looks like the debian.org administration is messed up as well. |
| 17:45.07 | *** topic/#bzflag by Patlabor221 -> http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/20/bzflag.html || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || beta builds http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds/ || http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs470ta/labs/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || bzflag.org / *.bzflag.org do not work ducati = ducati.unix-ag.org |
| 17:47.17 | JBdiGriz | The two supposedly authoritative sites, ns1.codepoet.org, and ns.mecworks.com can't deliver a SOA record for bzflag.org, so it probably isn't Tim's problem unless he manages his own DNS. |
| 17:47.48 | Patlabor221 | he does manage his own dns |
| 17:48.29 | Chestal | a type NS query returns those two hosts, though |
| 17:48.42 | JBdiGriz | I just found his name server, ns1.rikers.org. There's a SOA record for bzflag.org available, but it's not being distributed. |
| 17:52.28 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (2 files): bzadmin now works with xcurses again |
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| 17:55.22 | trepan | Patlabor221: almost have those makefiles done, nivie and listserv build |
| 17:57.28 | brlcad | I could set up a bunch of temporary routing names for whatever.brlcad.org in the meantime if someone could put together a list of IPs |
| 17:57.51 | JBdiGriz | host ducati.bzflag.org ns1.rikers.org |
| 17:58.18 | brlcad | ns1.rikers.org? |
| 17:58.21 | JBdiGriz | The problem is that the list server reports the bzflag.org domain name, so most people will just click on that. |
| 17:58.53 | brlcad | right.. I cna't fix the website, but I can route names for the game |
| 17:58.55 | JBdiGriz | That's tim's name server. It took me a while to find it. Evidently it's not distributing it's maps to the secondarys. |
| 17:58.58 | brlcad | is the site all that's busted? |
| 17:59.51 | Patlabor221 | trepan, they do, kewl :) |
| 18:00.04 | brlcad | ah.. but then ches and others would still need to update the bzfs conf to report the new name.. hrm, not so useful idea.. |
| 18:00.41 | Nidhoggr | I should set up a web-based dns thing, and host some dns stuff for folks. |
| 18:01.01 | Patlabor221 | that would be better then the single point of entry that is there now |
| 18:02.15 | Patlabor221 | is his dns not his home machine? |
| 18:02.58 | Nidhoggr | we could spread it out a bit. do secondary on a network that isn't where it is now. |
| 18:03.05 | Nidhoggr | and even terciary, etc. |
| 18:03.06 | JBdiGriz | The dns servers reported are not his home machine, and are evidently only secondary servers. They would get the map from the primary server, which is probably ns1.rikers.org. |
| 18:03.16 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 18:03.35 | JBdiGriz | All of the machines are available right now, but obviously there's a problem with the map transfer. |
| 18:06.11 | Patlabor221 | do you know where ns1.rikers.org is? |
| 18:07.43 | larsl | ns1.rikers.org == c-24-1-99-18.client.comcast.net |
| 18:07.57 | Nidhoggr | is a lookup loop |
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| 18:08.02 | Nidhoggr | misconfig'd dns |
| 18:08.54 | Patlabor221 | it's his house |
| 18:09.16 | Patlabor221 | he runs his own dns out of his house |
| 18:09.17 | JBdiGriz | That looks like comcast's reverse lookup to his connection. There's no problem with that. |
| 18:09.26 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 18:09.35 | Patlabor221 | unless something at his house borks, then all the dns stuff is down |
| 18:09.39 | Patlabor221 | like it is now |
| 18:09.41 | Nidhoggr | codepoet doesn't have a current zone file, then. |
| 18:09.44 | larsl | (That's from xtraceroute) |
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| 18:10.46 | guest349 | ~d |
| 18:11.01 | JBdiGriz | It's set not to expire for 1000 hours. That's usually enough time to get a machine back up and a map transfer done. |
| 18:11.31 | Nidhoggr | true |
| 18:12.18 | JBdiGriz | I have my expire set for 168 hours, and it's on a dialup which isn't always on. |
| 18:12.35 | Nidhoggr | my expires are set to a handful of minutes. |
| 18:12.56 | Nidhoggr | I can set them back up, since I'm done with all my moves. |
| 18:13.03 | JBdiGriz | That's reasonable for a machine which has a permanent connection to the backbone. :) |
| 18:13.07 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:13.20 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (3 files): Removed some ugly #ifdefs, added another function to the pdcurses_adapter (wresize() is called resize_window() in pdcurses) |
| 18:13.20 | Nidhoggr | I have both machines set up as nameservers. |
| 18:13.33 | trepan | Patlabor221: updated my SDL, now client builds... only server to go |
| 18:13.43 | Nidhoggr | larsl, have you done any changes to the 1.7 bzadmin in a while? |
| 18:13.50 | larsl | Nidhoggr: Nope. |
| 18:14.02 | JBdiGriz | Nidhoggr: Can you set one up as a secondary for bzflag.org, and try requesting a map transfer? |
| 18:14.02 | trepan | Patlabor221: it's got some sort of weird iterator problem |
| 18:14.17 | Nidhoggr | I can try, i suppose. |
| 18:14.20 | Nidhoggr | hang on. |
| 18:14.52 | larsl | Nidhoggr: There's not much new in the 1.9 version either, mostly bugfixes and some code cleaning. |
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| 18:16.18 | Nidhoggr | Dec 1 11:16:03 logos named[32094]: zone bzflag.org/IN: refresh: non-authoritative answer from master 208.186.182.170#53 |
| 18:17.22 | Nidhoggr | if we knew the address of the SOA |
| 18:18.01 | JBdiGriz | pardon the minor flood |
| 18:18.39 | JBdiGriz | Server: ns1.rikers.org |
| 18:18.39 | JBdiGriz | Address: 24.1.99.18#53 |
| 18:18.39 | JBdiGriz | bzflag.org |
| 18:18.39 | JBdiGriz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.40 | JBdiGriz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.42 | JBdiGriz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.44 | JBdiGriz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.54 | JBdiGriz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.56 | JBdiGriz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.58 | JBdiGriz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.47 | Nidhoggr | got it! |
| 18:19.49 | Nidhoggr | I have the zone. |
| 18:20.00 | Nidhoggr | it got it from tim's machine just fine. |
| 18:20.40 | JBdiGriz | so zone transfers are working on tim's end, but the secondary's are b0rked. |
| 18:20.45 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 18:20.59 | Nidhoggr | they seem retarded on where to find the zone file. |
| 18:21.16 | JBdiGriz | Do you mind being a secondary nameserver? |
| 18:21.29 | Nidhoggr | not at all. |
| 18:21.33 | Nidhoggr | ns1.tiphareth.net |
| 18:21.39 | Zarquon | sooo...not to be rude, but does anyone know the address of ducati.bzflag.org :) |
| 18:21.52 | Nidhoggr | ducati.unix-ag.org |
| 18:22.03 | Nidhoggr | ~nslookup ducati.unix-ag.org |
| 18:22.09 | Zarquon | thx! |
| 18:22.09 | JBdiGriz | Let's find tim and have him add you as another authoritative host. |
| 18:22.15 | Nidhoggr | okie. |
| 18:24.18 | stibnite | I'd be more than willing to slave as well |
| 18:24.53 | JBdiGriz | careful, the people from LA county might object to the DNS jargon :) |
| 18:25.04 | stibnite | lol |
| 18:25.41 | stibnite | auth00.allaboutuptime.net is my best server (but auth03 and auth04 are okay too) |
| 18:26.31 | *** join/#bzflag sn0w_m0nkey (~sn0w_m0nk@photon.health.unm.edu) |
| 18:26.32 | *** join/#bzflag tea|tree (~tea|tree@pD9E9706F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:26.43 | sn0w_m0nkey | mornin |
| 18:26.44 | Chestal | heh monkey |
| 18:26.47 | Chestal | hi Tee |
| 18:26.48 | tea|tree | hey all ^^ |
| 18:26.54 | tea|tree | huhu ches .. |
| 18:27.02 | tea|tree | long tome no see @ ches and monkey |
| 18:27.13 | sn0w_m0nkey | same tea. how ya been? |
| 18:27.19 | stibnite | hiya sn0wy |
| 18:27.25 | tea|tree | fine fine |
| 18:27.27 | sn0w_m0nkey | chestal how ya been? |
| 18:27.33 | tea|tree | and u? |
| 18:27.35 | sn0w_m0nkey | hey there stibnite! |
| 18:27.41 | sn0w_m0nkey | good tnx you tea |
| 18:28.07 | Nidhoggr | at least my machine can find listserver now. :) |
| 18:28.17 | Nidhoggr | since I made myself a secondary. |
| 18:28.25 | sn0w_m0nkey | i can't even log in to bzbb today |
| 18:28.43 | stibnite | hehe Nidhoggr |
| 18:28.45 | sn0w_m0nkey | keeps requesting .org which fails |
| 18:28.45 | Nidhoggr | let me see if it has an alias you can use snow_monkey. |
| 18:28.59 | Chestal | sn0w: bad as usual |
| 18:29.20 | sn0w_m0nkey | bad? its the holidays chestal, good for some bad for others eh? |
| 18:29.26 | JBdiGriz | Cool, I can set resolv.conf to point to nid's machine and connect to all of the bzflag.org :) |
| 18:29.47 | Nidhoggr | bzbb.secretplace.us will reach it. you'll have to re-login. |
| 18:29.54 | Chestal | sn0w_m0nkey: well, no Thanksgiving here and 3 more weeks to xmas. Not sure I'm looking forward to that, though |
| 18:30.08 | sn0w_m0nkey | Nidhoggr: tnx you |
| 18:30.12 | Nidhoggr | np |
| 18:30.12 | tea|tree | back too snow :( |
| 18:30.20 | tea|tree | ches: hats bei euch schon geschneit? |
| 18:30.37 | Chestal | tea|tree: Ende Oktober 3.5 Flocken |
| 18:30.47 | tea|tree | lol |
| 18:30.48 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 18:31.00 | sn0w_m0nkey | Chestal: perhaps its just monday. i'm never thrilled for mondays. |
| 18:31.13 | Chestal | sn0w: ah, monadays are ok |
| 18:32.10 | Nidhoggr | I really wonder how some places can keep in business with as bad administration as they have. |
| 18:32.48 | JBdiGriz | There aren't many admins who really understand how it all works. |
| 18:32.54 | Nidhoggr | true. |
| 18:33.30 | sn0w_m0nkey | after i submit my login and passwd i still get a request for a failed bakadigital.org address. |
| 18:33.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | strange |
| 18:33.39 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 18:33.41 | Nidhoggr | let me look. |
| 18:33.47 | Chestal | noone understands how it all works :-) |
| 18:33.47 | Chestal | the good thing is: "it" is fine with it and still works |
| 18:34.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | well...i still have hope to marry jessica alba. so hope is not lost chestal. |
| 18:34.44 | sn0w_m0nkey | ;) |
| 18:35.19 | JBdiGriz | Chestal: Would you like to hire some people who do? |
| 18:35.31 | Chestal | sn0w: hmm, who's that? |
| 18:36.00 | Nidhoggr | hrm I guess that won't work... since it's hard coded to bzflag.org |
| 18:36.04 | Nidhoggr | dunno how to change that. |
| 18:36.13 | sn0w_m0nkey | ummm...only possibly the most beautiful creature mine eyes have ever seen. |
| 18:36.51 | Chestal | JBdi: I'm not in the position to hire anyone, but whoever claims to have such a deep understanding is either not telling the truth or overestimating himself :-) |
| 18:37.13 | Chestal | sn0w: you haven't seen me yet ;-) |
| 18:37.15 | sn0w_m0nkey | Chestal: http://www.jessicaalba.net/pics/alba1046.jpg |
| 18:37.21 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe chestal g1 |
| 18:37.35 | JBdiGriz | You should attend a couple of the usenix conferences with the developers. :) |
| 18:38.23 | sn0w_m0nkey | JBdiGriz: conferences in uhhmm places like las vegas? |
| 18:38.51 | JBdiGriz | Actually, I have never attended usenix in las vegas. I don't recall it ever being there. |
| 18:38.56 | Nidhoggr | I'm of the opinion that people shouldn't be setting up services on the internet if they don't know basics like DNS, and DEFINITELY shouldn't be secondarying for people. |
| 18:39.07 | Nidhoggr | but I'm just an old fart |
| 18:39.08 | purple_cow | /win 4 |
| 18:39.12 | purple_cow | bah |
| 18:39.15 | purple_cow | /me kicks irssi |
| 18:39.23 | purple_cow | wtf |
| 18:39.27 | JBdiGriz | Handling secondary is easy |
| 18:39.33 | purple_cow | it hates me |
| 18:39.34 | purple_cow | :( |
| 18:39.37 | Nidhoggr | it SHOULD be :) |
| 18:39.52 | Nidhoggr | someone on my shell machine uses irssi. |
| 18:39.57 | Nidhoggr | I should check it out. |
| 18:41.17 | stibnite | irssi is beauty on a stick |
| 18:41.20 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:41.22 | JBdiGriz | Handling primary can be an art form. :) |
| 18:41.28 | Nidhoggr | it can be |
| 18:41.31 | purple_cow | /win 25 |
| 18:41.36 | Nidhoggr | I only have a dozen or so domains that I primary. |
| 18:41.52 | Nidhoggr | so it's not rocket science for me. |
| 18:41.55 | stibnite | JBdiGriz: some would consider what "Blue Man Group" does an art form |
| 18:41.55 | JBdiGriz | I only do my own two. |
| 18:42.20 | JBdiGriz | stibnite: some would consider it programming :) |
| 18:45.10 | JBdiGriz | sn0w_m0nkey: were you really trying to reach a bakadigital.org address? |
| 18:46.57 | stibnite | I consider it disturbing |
| 18:47.29 | *** join/#bzflag Grumbler (~Bagheera@h-68-165-122-98.MCLNVA23.covad.net) |
| 18:47.53 | JBdiGriz | Grumbler isn't sure if he's coming or going today. :) |
| 18:48.18 | Grumbler | playing around with color options......it required a restart :) |
| 18:48.37 | sn0w_m0nkey | JBdiGriz: after i click the login button, i keep getting a failed host lookup for bakadigital.org |
| 18:49.26 | JBdiGriz | What address are you trying to get to, there's no such domain as bakadigital.org. Typically it is bzflag.org or bakadigital.com. |
| 18:49.35 | sn0w_m0nkey | figured someone screwed something |
| 18:49.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | i use http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/ |
| 18:50.10 | sn0w_m0nkey | yeah i noticed .org does not exist :) |
| 18:50.47 | JBdiGriz | try http://bzbb.bzflag.org, sort of like it says in the topic :) |
| 18:51.18 | JBdiGriz | That might not work right now because someone has screwed something, but it's on the right track. :) |
| 18:52.12 | sn0w_m0nkey | same prob with that addy JBdiGriz |
| 18:52.27 | sn0w_m0nkey | it keeps requesting that .org domain... |
| 18:52.40 | Grumbler | i think its dead jim |
| 18:52.42 | JBdiGriz | what os are you using? |
| 18:52.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | linus torvalds system |
| 18:53.16 | sn0w_m0nkey | using mozilla |
| 18:53.28 | JBdiGriz | try adding "nameserver 69.28.129.162" to the /etc/resolv.conf file |
| 18:54.00 | Grumbler | never knew linus gave up the blanket, must have been beat up by lucy |
| 18:54.12 | JBdiGriz | temporary fix until bzflag.org domain gets unscrewed |
| 18:54.27 | sn0w_m0nkey | no worries |
| 18:54.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | eats feeding time at the z00 |
| 18:54.58 | sn0w_m0nkey | ciao |
| 19:03.42 | tea|tree | Chestal? |
| 19:05.35 | Grumbler | ~invisibles |
| 19:05.37 | | i guess invisibles is at http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/index.shtml |
| 19:06.12 | Patlabor221 | we have all but the cactus one |
| 19:10.13 | Patlabor221 | actualy we have all now |
| 19:10.22 | tea|tree | hey Patty |
| 19:10.28 | Patlabor221 | hallo |
| 19:11.34 | *** join/#bzflag Death_Barrel (clx@gss-tech.com) |
| 19:11.46 | tea|tree | hey barrel |
| 19:11.52 | rooter_the | hello All |
| 19:11.54 | Death_Barrel | anyone know when *.bzflag.org sites will be up again? |
| 19:11.56 | rooter_the | hello TeA |
| 19:11.58 | Death_Barrel | hi tea |
| 19:12.05 | tea|tree | hey roooooot |
| 19:12.37 | rooter_the | if you add: 66.35.250.210 www.bzflag.org |
| 19:12.40 | rooter_the | to /etc/hosts |
| 19:12.48 | rooter_the | then the main page will work |
| 19:13.14 | tea|tree | lol |
| 19:13.32 | JBdiGriz | Try adding "nameserver 69.28.129.162" to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:13.34 | Nidhoggr | death_barrel, you can set your nameserver to 69.28.129.162 temporarily, since I've got the zone files. |
| 19:13.36 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:14.06 | JBdiGriz | GMTA |
| 19:14.30 | tea|tree | geesh |
| 19:14.30 | rooter_the | that would work... and you could get to *.bzflag.org |
| 19:14.34 | tea|tree | all freaks here ^^ |
| 19:14.41 | rooter_the | i think they are win users though |
| 19:15.03 | rooter_the | you can go into your network config and add another DNS server |
| 19:15.04 | JBdiGriz | oooh, that's fighting words to bb :) |
| 19:15.09 | tea|tree | im a happy win user ^^ |
| 19:16.23 | JBdiGriz | Then you have to go clicky clicky and reboot 5 times to get to the right window to add a name server :) |
| 19:16.28 | rooter_the | hehe |
| 19:16.33 | tea|tree | true ^^ |
| 19:16.46 | tea|tree | just deleted linux ^^ |
| 19:16.53 | tea|tree | because i dont know how to use it |
| 19:17.00 | rooter_the | you have to reboot everytime you scratch your a$$ in win |
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| 19:36.11 | Death_Barrel | ok i back :D |
| 19:39.01 | trepan | Patlabor221: they all compile now, and listserv and server seem to run. client has segv probs. you want that i should add the Make stuff to your CVS? |
| 19:43.43 | Nidhoggr | man.. chili for lunch. now I need a nap. |
| 19:43.58 | stibnite | hehe chili good |
| 19:44.10 | JBdiGriz | turkey chili? |
| 19:44.29 | Nidhoggr | regular chili |
| 19:44.32 | Nidhoggr | someone made it at work |
| 19:44.43 | Nidhoggr | I'm going to make MY chili sometime this week. |
| 19:44.51 | Nidhoggr | injure the whole office. |
| 19:45.02 | stibnite | hah |
| 19:46.15 | *** join/#bzflag Death_Barrel (clx@gss-tech.com) |
| 19:47.54 | Noodleman | i wanna try your chili :-) |
| 19:52.03 | *** join/#bzflag |tim| (~|tim|@ip68-106-184-191.sb.sd.cox.net) |
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| 19:58.36 | Grumbler | chili and corn bread......ymmmm |
| 19:59.37 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas (~topgunp38@adsl-68-73-92-215.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 19:59.51 | Grumbler | .......and a beer........cool, fall weather............sitting by the dock watching the boats go by.......... |
| 20:00.28 | Legolas | ~d |
| 20:00.37 | Legolas | ~quol |
| 20:00.56 | Noodleman | *.bzflag.org DNS is borkified |
| 20:03.29 | Legolas | oh i see |
| 20:03.49 | Legolas | is that why you cant get into any of the bzflag webbys? |
| 20:05.10 | Death_Barrel | yes |
| 20:06.01 | Legolas | ty\ |
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| 20:14.01 | *** join/#bzflag mikep (~mikep@adsl-68-73-92-215.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 20:14.06 | mikep | Hi all |
| 20:14.10 | mikep | Grrr |
| 20:14.31 | |tim| | hey Merry |
| 20:15.33 | Merry | hey tim |
| 20:16.37 | |tim| | whats up? |
| 20:16.49 | *** join/#bzflag Death_Barrel (clx@gss-tech.com) |
| 20:16.49 | Merry | nutt'in much, u? |
| 20:16.56 | Merry | hi bb |
| 20:17.00 | Merry | :( |
| 20:17.13 | |tim| | I'm kinda sick, I stayed home from school today |
| 20:17.27 | Merry | LoL, lucky u |
| 20:17.34 | |tim| | :) |
| 20:18.50 | Merry | how are you? |
| 20:18.52 | Merry | tho |
| 20:18.54 | Merry | ?/ |
| 20:19.07 | Merry | ~d |
| 20:19.16 | Merry | ~q2 |
| 20:19.33 | |tim| | I just have a head ache; but over the weekend I wasn't doing good at all |
| 20:19.40 | Merry | eek |
| 20:20.07 | Merry | just a sec..lemme check bz |
| 20:21.02 | Merry | back |
| 20:26.59 | *** join/#bzflag Death_Barrel (clx@gss-tech.com) |
| 20:28.51 | |tim| | I'm off |
| 20:28.52 | |tim| | bye |
| 20:32.43 | Merry | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.29 | creeperz | hi |
| 20:37.49 | Merry | how r u? |
| 20:37.56 | Merry | also, long time no see |
| 20:37.58 | Merry | :) |
| 20:42.03 | Merry | bye, all...;D see ya 'round all! |
| 20:42.06 | *** part/#bzflag Merry (~mikep@adsl-68-73-92-215.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 20:44.20 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor222 (~JeffM@208.48.199.202) |
| 20:45.07 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 20:46.35 | Nidhoggr | okie. how can I make it so that there are 5 max per team, 8 max rogues, but 20 max players on the server? |
| 20:47.56 | Chestal | something like -mp 8,5,5,5,5 -mp 20 should work, I forgot the exact order |
| 20:48.21 | Nidhoggr | cool. I'll test it out :) thanks, chestal. |
| 20:50.11 | Tupone | Chestal: whats the ip address for ducati? |
| 20:50.23 | Tupone | or an alias |
| 20:50.39 | Tupone | ok |
| 20:50.40 | Tupone | I got |
| 20:55.01 | *** join/#bzflag sn0w_m0nkey (~sn0w_m0nk@photon.health.unm.edu) |
| 20:56.35 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (LocalPlayer.cxx): Better limiting delta height of exploding tank |
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| 21:06.22 | Nidhoggr | grrr. |
| 21:06.28 | Nidhoggr | my mrtg stats are hosed, too. |
| 21:06.33 | Nidhoggr | frm the DNS problems. |
| 21:07.58 | Grumbler | knowledge is dangerous, you are better off.......ignorance is bliss |
| 21:08.12 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 21:08.15 | sn0w_m0nkey | drunk is blss, ignorant is ignorant :) |
| 21:08.40 | sn0w_m0nkey | says the monkey |
| 21:09.57 | Grumbler | poor monkey has not been the same since the end of cell.unm.edu....... |
| 21:10.09 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 21:10.15 | sn0w_m0nkey | hey its still around btw |
| 21:10.19 | Grumbler | .....come to think of it, neither has gerbil |
| 21:10.24 | sn0w_m0nkey | only for the tank gods though :) |
| 21:10.39 | Grumbler | haha, a monkey god i assume |
| 21:10.44 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 21:10.48 | Death_Barrel | hey snow :) |
| 21:10.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | hi barrel |
| 21:10.57 | Death_Barrel | how you been man? |
| 21:11.13 | sn0w_m0nkey | good good tnx you |
| 21:11.19 | Death_Barrel | full! |
| 21:11.21 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 21:11.23 | sn0w_m0nkey | hows the ist stuff goin for ya? |
| 21:11.24 | Death_Barrel | still full |
| 21:11.34 | Death_Barrel | good! USA is #1 |
| 21:11.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahh |
| 21:11.40 | Death_Barrel | going into finals today |
| 21:11.44 | sn0w_m0nkey | cool |
| 21:11.47 | Death_Barrel | yep |
| 21:11.55 | sn0w_m0nkey | any jumping games or straight ducati ctf stuff? |
| 21:11.57 | Death_Barrel | USA, Canada, Italy, Poland |
| 21:12.08 | sn0w_m0nkey | canaduh? is in 2nd? |
| 21:12.11 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 21:12.14 | Death_Barrel | just ducati CTF style |
| 21:12.23 | Death_Barrel | yep canada is a tough team :) |
| 21:12.29 | sn0w_m0nkey | i figured the germans would be up there |
| 21:12.40 | Death_Barrel | but we kicked their asses yestarday 8-0 :) |
| 21:12.46 | sn0w_m0nkey | yeah those candiens are pretty good these days |
| 21:12.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahhh |
| 21:12.49 | Death_Barrel | Germans don't play enough |
| 21:12.55 | sn0w_m0nkey | no doubt |
| 21:13.04 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahem...mole...ahem |
| 21:13.07 | Grumbler | .....too much time drinking |
| 21:13.11 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 21:13.17 | Death_Barrel | Moles are inactive |
| 21:13.20 | Death_Barrel | go look :) |
| 21:13.25 | Death_Barrel | HoW is ranked #2 :) |
| 21:13.27 | sn0w_m0nkey | they are defunct? |
| 21:13.31 | Death_Barrel | yep |
| 21:13.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | wow |
| 21:13.35 | Death_Barrel | inactive list |
| 21:13.36 | Death_Barrel | again |
| 21:13.41 | sn0w_m0nkey | Chestal: that is possible? |
| 21:13.42 | Death_Barrel | for the 3rd time |
| 21:13.54 | sn0w_m0nkey | wow |
| 21:13.57 | Death_Barrel | yep |
| 21:14.07 | Death_Barrel | it is a shame |
| 21:14.09 | Death_Barrel | hehe |
| 21:14.19 | Nidhoggr | insurance stuff is crazy. |
| 21:14.21 | *** join/#bzflag Death_Barrel (clx@gss-tech.com) |
| 21:14.23 | Death_Barrel | srry |
| 21:14.33 | Death_Barrel | i get disconnected every 15min here at work |
| 21:14.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | that high speed server on quols site... |
| 21:14.36 | Grumbler | quack quack |
| 21:14.41 | Death_Barrel | proxy i think |
| 21:14.41 | Nidhoggr | barrel has a naughty connection |
| 21:14.42 | sn0w_m0nkey | now that is bzflag |
| 21:14.57 | Death_Barrel | what is bzflag? |
| 21:15.00 | sn0w_m0nkey | all high speed flags, and jumping |
| 21:15.04 | sn0w_m0nkey | that is the stuff |
| 21:15.05 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 21:15.05 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 21:15.08 | Death_Barrel | nah |
| 21:15.11 | sn0w_m0nkey | i am serious! |
| 21:15.16 | Death_Barrel | i will stick to the ground ;) |
| 21:15.23 | Nidhoggr | I wanna do some testing to see who's go the best connected server. |
| 21:15.24 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:15.38 | Death_Barrel | haha i know the answer already :) |
| 21:15.42 | Death_Barrel | proxs.bzflag.org:7000 |
| 21:15.45 | sn0w_m0nkey | hashmark |
| 21:15.45 | Death_Barrel | that is the best |
| 21:15.49 | sn0w_m0nkey | hashmark |
| 21:15.50 | Death_Barrel | i guraentee |
| 21:15.54 | Death_Barrel | proxs.bzflag.org |
| 21:15.55 | sn0w_m0nkey | fattest pipe |
| 21:15.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | hashmark |
| 21:15.59 | Nidhoggr | maybe write some stats scripts that do ping tests. |
| 21:15.59 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 21:16.02 | Nidhoggr | what is pipe? |
| 21:16.05 | Death_Barrel | proxs.bzflag.org:7000 check it out |
| 21:16.11 | Death_Barrel | but it isn't public |
| 21:16.32 | Nidhoggr | secretplace is 100mbps straight into backbone. |
| 21:16.37 | Death_Barrel | the server is in atlanta, and i am in TX, i get a better lag there than i do on my own server ...lol |
| 21:16.43 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 21:16.50 | Death_Barrel | Kelsoes.com is a good one also |
| 21:16.53 | Death_Barrel | my server :) |
| 21:17.03 | Death_Barrel | it is on a fiber connection |
| 21:17.06 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: when you get a chance, can you add Grumbler to my Bagheera callsign registery on secretplace.....or isnt that possible? |
| 21:17.26 | Death_Barrel | bbl |
| 21:17.27 | Nidhoggr | you'd have to add it seperately. |
| 21:17.36 | Death_Barrel | building a new server ;) |
| 21:17.38 | Death_Barrel | bbl |
| 21:17.39 | Grumbler | ok |
| 21:17.40 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 21:17.41 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:17.56 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: thanks anyhow.........fyi secretplace had flag issues yesterday |
| 21:18.14 | sn0w_m0nkey | sorry phone |
| 21:18.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | pipe= |
| 21:18.24 | sn0w_m0nkey | bueller? |
| 21:18.33 | Grumbler | ferris |
| 21:18.37 | Nidhoggr | hrm. flag issues usually show up for 2 reasons... 1) someone has a cheat client and messing with stuff. 2) server has been up for a long time. |
| 21:18.46 | Nidhoggr | and it was only restarted a few days ago. |
| 21:19.14 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: a blue flag was visible on the field, but could not get picked up......and yes there where possible cheat clients |
| 21:19.29 | Nidhoggr | ah, that's a bug with the server... I've seen it a number of times. |
| 21:19.36 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: but not enough evidence because of lag stats varying |
| 21:19.41 | Nidhoggr | happens sometimes with 1.7 |
| 21:19.44 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 21:20.03 | Nidhoggr | I am pulling lagwarn down to 400 or 350 I think. |
| 21:20.15 | Grumbler | yeah, i was going to do a flag reset, but trying to get X^2 people to drop the flags is not a real option |
| 21:20.21 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 21:20.34 | Nidhoggr | server gets crazy busy lately. |
| 21:20.52 | Nidhoggr | I need to use dragon.org for testing more now, since it's not often used. |
| 21:20.57 | Grumbler | yep, i didnt see the usual admins this weekend, guess everybody was on vacation.... |
| 21:21.09 | Nidhoggr | nod. I was only on for a bit in the mornings. |
| 21:21.16 | Grumbler | dragon.org had major cheat clients this weekend |
| 21:21.21 | Nidhoggr | really? |
| 21:21.21 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 21:21.26 | Nidhoggr | I need to share ban files. |
| 21:21.29 | Grumbler | yeah, but i can not admin there |
| 21:21.31 | sn0w_m0nkey | yes |
| 21:21.38 | Nidhoggr | I thought I added you there. |
| 21:21.43 | sn0w_m0nkey | yes |
| 21:21.45 | sn0w_m0nkey | :) |
| 21:21.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | no |
| 21:21.53 | Nidhoggr | oh, well. I'll copy the admin files from secretplace. |
| 21:22.04 | Grumbler | yeah, i though so for a bit, but i think everytime it gets reset, i lose priviledges |
| 21:22.15 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 21:22.22 | Grumbler | not a big issue....... |
| 21:22.22 | Nidhoggr | I haven't changed the files recently. |
| 21:22.28 | Nidhoggr | I'll copy over anyway. |
| 21:22.31 | Nidhoggr | it'll be a good thing. |
| 21:22.34 | sn0w_m0nkey | secretplace is yours Nidhoggr? |
| 21:22.42 | Nidhoggr | secretplace and dragon.org |
| 21:23.30 | Nidhoggr | http://www.dragon.org/mandrake/rack.jpg top one is secretplace (tiphareth.net) and one under that is dragon.org |
| 21:24.11 | sn0w_m0nkey | ooohhhhhh ssswweeeeet |
| 21:24.30 | brlcad | drat.. missed merry.. |
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| 21:24.44 | sn0w_m0nkey | i wish more people would play on the speed server |
| 21:24.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | who needs missles anyways... |
| 21:25.01 | sn0w_m0nkey | bags :) |
| 21:25.01 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 21:25.25 | sn0w_m0nkey | i must confess a love for the laser though |
| 21:25.32 | sn0w_m0nkey | monky like lights |
| 21:25.33 | Grumbler | laser is my friend.... |
| 21:25.44 | Nidhoggr | freedomlives map is fun, but frustrating. |
| 21:25.48 | Grumbler | i have lost my taste for GM......... |
| 21:26.11 | sn0w_m0nkey | i think mad city is the classic map for jumping |
| 21:26.20 | Nidhoggr | I should put up megadome, with no flags and 2 shots, no rico. :) |
| 21:26.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | sounds like fun |
| 21:26.48 | Nidhoggr | I had it up with 2 shots, but had flags for a while. |
| 21:26.52 | sn0w_m0nkey | mega* anything sounds cool |
| 21:27.17 | Grumbler | oy, 2 shots.......4 min........IMHO |
| 21:27.26 | sn0w_m0nkey | 4? |
| 21:27.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | thats like more than....2 or 3 |
| 21:27.39 | Grumbler | covers the lagger issues... |
| 21:27.44 | sn0w_m0nkey | true |
| 21:27.49 | sn0w_m0nkey | helps you mean :) |
| 21:27.54 | Grumbler | yep |
| 21:28.24 | Grumbler | especially the variable laggers out there........ |
| 21:28.42 | sn0w_m0nkey | you mean..those people running soundcast??? |
| 21:28.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | shoutcast* |
| 21:28.55 | Grumbler | ? |
| 21:29.01 | Grumbler | ~google shoutcast |
| 21:29.44 | sn0w_m0nkey | i've some people when i noticed strange lag effects but good lagstats if they are running shoutcast |
| 21:29.44 | Grumbler | wow, pretty big.....5000 servers.... |
| 21:29.49 | Nidhoggr | I have low tolerance for >300ms lag time on bzflag. you shouldn't be playing on a modem, and if you have broadband, and you're over 300ms, you're doing more than bzflag. |
| 21:29.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | a few of them have indeed said yes. |
| 21:30.20 | larsl | sn0w_m0nkey: I suppose they could get high lag temporarily while the player is refilling the buffer. |
| 21:30.27 | sn0w_m0nkey | how much is PC performance though...? |
| 21:30.33 | Patlabor221 | P24's sound engine now supports shoutcast :) |
| 21:30.42 | Grumbler | yeah, there were a couple yesterday on secretplace..........tman and ac ouple others.......decided to let it alone |
| 21:31.02 | sn0w_m0nkey | larsl: buffer full and/or be swapped right? |
| 21:31.12 | Nidhoggr | if people keep getting kicked for lag, and they keep rejoining, I usually warn, then ban for 2 hours. |
| 21:31.23 | larsl | Nidhoggr: I sometimes get 200-300 on secretplace without doing anything else (and I have 10Mbit broadband). |
| 21:31.28 | Legolas | ~d |
| 21:31.30 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 21:31.32 | Nidhoggr | I wonder why |
| 21:31.35 | larsl | I don't mind a lagkick on 300 ms though. |
| 21:31.40 | Nidhoggr | nod. |
| 21:32.10 | Nidhoggr | we are getting oc48 in the next few weeks, so hopefully it will improve our network to other countries a bit. |
| 21:32.17 | larsl | oc48? |
| 21:32.20 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 21:32.22 | Grumbler | lag kick at 300 is good...........it would be interesting if the lag message could be echo'd to the admins when they are on as well |
| 21:32.47 | Nidhoggr | we are oc12 now (12x45mbps) |
| 21:32.52 | larsl | Ah. |
| 21:33.08 | Nidhoggr | I was thinking same thing, bags. |
| 21:33.19 | sn0w_m0nkey | Nidhoggr: i thought that was a gang sign |
| 21:33.29 | Nidhoggr | which? |
| 21:33.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | oc48 |
| 21:33.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | :) |
| 21:33.49 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:34.08 | sn0w_m0nkey | i have side effects from living in LA |
| 21:34.24 | Nidhoggr | when you see ocXX when referring to internet connections, it means a fiber connection, and you can multiply the XX by 45 to get speed in megabits/second |
| 21:34.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | cool |
| 21:34.37 | sn0w_m0nkey | noted |
| 21:34.40 | Nidhoggr | :) |
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| 21:34.50 | Nidhoggr | GX has some oc192 connections. |
| 21:34.52 | Nidhoggr | FAST |
| 21:34.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | someday i will learn to say "hello world" |
| 21:34.59 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 21:35.08 | sn0w_m0nkey | GX? |
| 21:35.14 | Nidhoggr | our streaming media business does a CD worth of bandwidth every second. |
| 21:35.18 | Nidhoggr | global crossing. |
| 21:35.22 | sn0w_m0nkey | wow |
| 21:35.22 | Nidhoggr | one of our uplinks. |
| 21:35.26 | Patlabor221 | they are our ISP |
| 21:35.29 | sn0w_m0nkey | thats pretty sick |
| 21:35.32 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 21:35.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | man..i am thinking heavy numbers |
| 21:35.56 | Nidhoggr | we do over half of all internet radio. |
| 21:36.03 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahhh...is that the prob with bzbb??? |
| 21:36.07 | sn0w_m0nkey | the isp? |
| 21:36.08 | Nidhoggr | no |
| 21:36.08 | Patlabor221 | idiot IS boy replaced the windows PDC today, it now keeps restarting, hilarity ensues for our company |
| 21:36.15 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 21:36.18 | Nidhoggr | it's the nameserver for bzflag.org |
| 21:36.22 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahhh |
| 21:36.41 | Nidhoggr | not associated with my boxen |
| 21:36.42 | Patlabor221 | still no word from Tim? |
| 21:36.52 | Nidhoggr | haven't seen him today at all. |
| 21:36.59 | sn0w_m0nkey | i need to stop being afraid and take some C |
| 21:37.02 | Patlabor221 | how about we put multiple domains in the app as defalt |
| 21:37.07 | larsl | When was src/bzflag/texture.h removed? |
| 21:37.11 | sn0w_m0nkey | but you guys keep scaring me from it |
| 21:37.30 | Patlabor221 | like a bzflag.or, a dragon.org, a blrcad.org and a bakadigital.com |
| 21:37.36 | Patlabor221 | just for cases like this |
| 21:37.41 | Patlabor221 | last night |
| 21:37.45 | Patlabor221 | it was moved to inc |
| 21:37.55 | Patlabor221 | MAC is working on centeralising textures |
| 21:37.57 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 21:38.00 | Patlabor221 | in an effort to get me to make changes |
| 21:38.06 | Pimpinella | is Tim==|tim| ? |
| 21:38.11 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 21:38.21 | larsl | OK. |
| 21:38.28 | Pimpinella | u mean TimRiker? |
| 21:38.29 | Patlabor221 | TimRiker != |tim| |
| 21:38.39 | Patlabor221 | he is the man |
| 21:38.47 | Patlabor221 | not the absolute value of tim |
| 21:39.31 | Patlabor221 | MAC didn't use your singleton class |
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| 21:40.12 | Pimpinella | didnt know which tim u were talking about ;) |
| 21:40.23 | Patlabor221 | the one that runs it all |
| 21:40.25 | brlcad | pat: i know |
| 21:40.28 | Patlabor221 | the MPOE |
| 21:40.30 | brlcad | I already added it to his |
| 21:40.46 | sn0w_m0nkey | does chris S. stay involved? |
| 21:40.49 | brlcad | i have everything converted over, just not commited |
| 21:40.50 | sn0w_m0nkey | badger |
| 21:40.54 | Pimpinella | yes, i know now... |
| 21:41.01 | Patlabor221 | brlcad, I wonderd why he didn't, cus you know his "just shove it on up in there" devology should support that right? |
| 21:41.08 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Removed references to removed files in the Makefile.ams, 'make dist' works again |
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| 21:42.35 | brlcad | I'm thinking of just "shoving it on up in there" myself tonight :) |
| 21:42.44 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton / purple_cow, I have the witch hunter robin OST if you are interestd |
| 21:42.48 | Patlabor221 | I know you were |
| 21:42.54 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: yes |
| 21:42.55 | captain_proton | yes yes! |
| 21:42.56 | Patlabor221 | so you are folowing his devology |
| 21:43.03 | Patlabor221 | I thought you may |
| 21:43.03 | brlcad | maybe that'll get Tim to poke his head in here so the dns issues can get worked out :) |
| 21:43.06 | Patlabor221 | I shall send |
| 21:43.24 | Patlabor221 | you interesetd in the FFXI OST? |
| 21:43.50 | captain_proton | dunno |
| 21:43.55 | captain_proton | haven't heard it |
| 21:44.03 | captain_proton | its not exactly like we're lacking for storage space, though |
| 21:44.34 | Patlabor221 | WHR is on it's way to /navi/incoming/.... |
| 21:44.53 | Patlabor221 | this is OST 1, I will be geting OST2 soon |
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| 21:45.37 | Patlabor221 | I would vote for puting in at least 2 more DNS entrys into the game as backups incase bzflag.org can not be found |
| 21:45.52 | Patlabor221 | and I offer bakadigital.com as one of those if it is wanted |
| 21:45.56 | captain_proton | well - most important is that it has the title theme |
| 21:46.00 | captain_proton | since thats a kickass song |
| 21:46.09 | Patlabor221 | yes it has it |
| 21:46.15 | Patlabor221 | tho it is the TV edit |
| 21:46.21 | Patlabor221 | the OST2 has the longer one |
| 21:46.25 | Patlabor221 | that is why I must get it |
| 21:46.32 | captain_proton | :) |
| 21:46.37 | sn0w_m0nkey | song? |
| 21:46.41 | Patlabor221 | song |
| 21:46.43 | JBdiGriz | the game doesn't take dns entrys. It takes a name which the server provides. You can provide any name that you would like and make all the dns servers you want associated with it. |
| 21:47.02 | Grumbler | ....a voice from beyond...... |
| 21:47.06 | Patlabor221 | does it not look up the list server by using list.bzflag.org ? |
| 21:47.23 | JBdiGriz | Patlabor221: If Tim != |tim|, doesn't that imply that Tim is negative? |
| 21:47.32 | Patlabor221 | or imaginary :) |
| 21:47.45 | Patlabor221 | and you know my opinion on tim in that regards |
| 21:47.48 | captain_proton | or just higher dimensional |
| 21:48.01 | JBdiGriz | I'm not sure what the absolute value of an imaginary component is. |
| 21:48.14 | Pimpinella | the ip could be providet to the listserver as fallback |
| 21:48.15 | Patlabor221 | tim can only be expressed as an area :) |
| 21:48.25 | JBdiGriz | perhaps Tim is case sensitive? |
| 21:48.28 | Patlabor221 | the IP changes, thats why it's name based |
| 21:48.31 | Pimpinella | by the server |
| 21:48.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | sounds like a girl i knew |
| 21:48.35 | Patlabor221 | so a single IP is nfg |
| 21:48.41 | captain_proton | JBdiGriz: well - you can treat it as a determinant of a complex value |
| 21:49.05 | JBdiGriz | It's not an IP, it's a name, you can have several IP addresses associated with a name. |
| 21:49.14 | Patlabor221 | but who hosts that name? |
| 21:49.21 | Patlabor221 | is that not what is not responding? |
| 21:50.10 | Patlabor221 | if ns1.rikers.org goes down, are we not screwed? |
| 21:50.11 | brlcad | It's more like a thin twig |
| 21:50.23 | brlcad | apparently we are :) |
| 21:50.23 | JBdiGriz | The secondary servers for the domain are not responding with a SOA record. That usually means that a map transfer hasn't successfully occurred within the expiration timeout. |
| 21:50.48 | Patlabor221 | so still if it had a second name to try, woudl that not be a good thing? |
| 21:51.04 | JBdiGriz | No, because something else is happening which we don't have control over. map transfers can successfully occur from ns1.rikers.org. mvf nid proved that. |
| 21:51.25 | JBdiGriz | The map hasn't reached it's expiration timeout yet (1000 hrs.) |
| 21:51.43 | Patlabor221 | so can we just not get to the list server? or do we not know it's IP? |
| 21:52.06 | Patlabor221 | is it a connection issue or a resolution issue? |
| 21:52.08 | JBdiGriz | If ns1.rikers.org goes down, we are screwed after the expiration, or in about 2.3 weeks. |
| 21:52.27 | Patlabor221 | asuming the list server IP stays static for that long? |
| 21:53.03 | Patlabor221 | or is there another server that tim updates with the current IP? |
| 21:53.05 | JBdiGriz | It seems like a resolution issue. Tim could add nid's site as a secondary to the hosting record, so that the higher level servers would let us query him as well. |
| 21:53.07 | larsl | -mo option for bzfs is gone? |
| 21:53.32 | JBdiGriz | If the DNS server goes down, and the list server changes it's IP, we're screwed. |
| 21:53.33 | Patlabor221 | so if we had another domain that knew the IP of the list server we could get thru? |
| 21:53.56 | Tupone | larsl: I think Tim has put that on inside -mp |
| 21:53.57 | Patlabor221 | the list server is dynamic, that changed when he moved to texas |
| 21:54.19 | JBdiGriz | Yes, a different domain so that the server request goes to a different location. |
| 21:54.54 | JBdiGriz | Right now we can get to the list server, at least i can, but we can't resolve any of the sites which use the bzflag.org domain. |
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| 21:55.30 | Nidhoggr | mine's working because I set myself as the nameserver. |
| 21:55.37 | Patlabor221 | that is what I am saying we should have a couple extra names |
| 21:55.47 | Patlabor221 | as default in the software |
| 21:56.03 | JBdiGriz | Nidhoggr: was the list server broken for you, or just the bzflag.org connections? |
| 21:56.05 | Patlabor221 | lets say Tim decides to say "enough" and quit and take the domain with him |
| 21:56.23 | Nidhoggr | not sure, because I couldn't get to the list server |
| 21:56.26 | Patlabor221 | or texas falls into the ocean |
| 21:56.46 | JBdiGriz | then all of those people who have requested a name in the bzflag.org namespace are screwed, and have to change their server names to something like brlcad.org |
| 21:57.02 | Nidhoggr | if I had the resources, I'd build a box for bzflag.org, and stick it in my rack. |
| 21:57.06 | Patlabor221 | yes, I say put brlcad.org in the software as a backup |
| 21:57.12 | Nidhoggr | it only costs me a small amount to actually rack a server. |
| 21:57.51 | Nidhoggr | I just think this sort of thing begs for a dedicated, not dialup/dsl/broadband solution. |
| 21:57.58 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:58.06 | JBdiGriz | then if learner decides to go postal, we have the same problem. We need a list server at a nice ISP (e.g. mvf nid) and people need to control their namespaces on their own |
| 21:58.10 | Patlabor221 | when it is the backbone of a game |
| 21:58.19 | Patlabor221 | thats why we have more then 2 |
| 21:58.21 | Patlabor221 | 3 or 4 |
| 21:58.28 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 21:58.32 | JBdiGriz | it's nice to have a name in the bzflag.org namespace, but it comes with a cost. |
| 21:59.21 | captain_proton | yay, its like a whr soundtrack |
| 21:59.38 | Patlabor221 | the relyablity of the bzflag.org domain does not have the best track record |
| 21:59.50 | Nidhoggr | whr? |
| 21:59.57 | captain_proton | witch hunter robin |
| 21:59.59 | Patlabor221 | Witch Hunter Robin |
| 22:00.00 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 22:00.04 | Patlabor221 | it's about 1/2 way done cap |
| 22:00.12 | Patlabor221 | the title is the 2econd to last song |
| 22:00.19 | captain_proton | mmmk |
| 22:00.20 | Nidhoggr | i don't mean to sound mean, but I've had a lot of problems with listserver and dns over the last few weeks. |
| 22:00.24 | JBdiGriz | Either nid or i can probably track that down and redo the domain so it's always available. |
| 22:00.40 | Nidhoggr | we can work together :) |
| 22:00.49 | Patlabor221 | together is good |
| 22:00.50 | captain_proton | it'd be really nice to have a redundant system of list servers that sync to each other, then use round-robin DNS |
| 22:01.10 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 22:01.14 | Patlabor221 | yeah that kinda thing |
| 22:01.17 | Nidhoggr | I can even cname ns1.tiphareth.net to ns1.bzflag.org, etc. |
| 22:01.20 | Patlabor221 | it's such a bottle neck going thru tim |
| 22:01.20 | JBdiGriz | The secondary servers chosen appear to be flakey, so the easiest thing would be to add a couple of more reliable secondaries, and then put the primary somewhere where it's got higher availability |
| 22:02.05 | JBdiGriz | The redundant system of list servers would be really nice, but has almost nothing to do with DNS except that it uses it as the round robin system. |
| 22:02.19 | Patlabor221 | I was just thinking of what I know could be done in app code, but if you dns gurus can make it work otherwise, more power to ya |
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| 22:02.21 | *** mode/#bzflag [+bbb *gorb*!*@* *sussudio*!*@* *cell*!*@*] by sterling.freenode.net |
| 22:02.21 | *** mode/#bzflag [+bbb *!*@68.111.116.228 *!*edelstei*@* *!*@*.dip.t-dialin.net] by sterling.freenode.net |
| 22:02.28 | JBdiGriz | It doesn't relate to the current situation. |
| 22:02.33 | Nidhoggr | it just needs reliable secondaries. |
| 22:02.43 | Nidhoggr | I am pageable 24/7 for real issues. |
| 22:03.03 | captain_proton | JBdiGriz: true |
| 22:03.14 | JBdiGriz | That's probably why your servers are more reliable. :) |
| 22:03.23 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:03.31 | Patlabor221 | somethign needs to be done, if anyone wants to see the game grow |
| 22:03.33 | Nidhoggr | caveat: I don't get paged much. :) |
| 22:03.55 | Patlabor221 | it's been down for how many days now? |
| 22:04.10 | JBdiGriz | about 12 hours |
| 22:04.14 | Nidhoggr | nod. |
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| 22:04.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | you want this game on xbox? |
| 22:04.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | growth |
| 22:05.06 | Patlabor221 | that's another platform |
| 22:05.06 | JBdiGriz | It wouldn't affect me either way monk. :) |
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| 22:05.20 | sn0w_m0nkey | heh |
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| 22:05.29 | Nidhoggr | ugh. irc network is hosed again. |
| 22:05.32 | sn0w_m0nkey | seems like its coming to a living room near you is all |
| 22:05.41 | Patlabor221 | but you get another coulple hunderd users and this kinda stuff would be in excusable |
| 22:05.49 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 22:06.07 | sn0w_m0nkey | i like the quirks |
| 22:06.27 | Patlabor221 | you may |
| 22:06.28 | JBdiGriz | There's no excuse for the quirks except inexperience or laziness. |
| 22:06.30 | Patlabor221 | most people don't |
| 22:06.48 | Patlabor221 | when you have a core gaming comunity of less then 50 people, it's not that bad |
| 22:06.53 | Patlabor221 | cus they can all just find out what is up |
| 22:07.07 | Patlabor221 | but you get 2-3 thousand, that'll kill ya |
| 22:07.09 | sn0w_m0nkey | but its a free ninety free game |
| 22:07.10 | JBdiGriz | Most of the people here have a ton of experience with development, but aren't as well versed in admin. |
| 22:07.17 | Grumbler | assuming they have a common point of communication |
| 22:07.18 | Pimpinella | cant follow u, ur writing too fast and i have to something else :(, but if it is needet i can provide another fallback-server, but i think several others could do also |
| 22:07.19 | Nidhoggr | how open is tim to fixing this sort of thing? |
| 22:07.26 | sn0w_m0nkey | i wouldn't think about complaining |
| 22:07.44 | Patlabor221 | take a look at continum/subspace it's free and has thousandas |
| 22:07.49 | Nidhoggr | I am not great at coding, but have a knack for administration. |
| 22:08.02 | JBdiGriz | We can ask him when he gets back from wherever he is. He hasn't been on for 5 days. |
| 22:08.12 | Nidhoggr | probably holiday stuff. |
| 22:08.18 | Nidhoggr | has anyone tried to email him? |
| 22:08.18 | Grumbler | ......turkey travel |
| 22:08.54 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe thats astroids! |
| 22:08.58 | JBdiGriz | That's one of my strengths in consulting. I understand the admin and the development. It tends to put me more in a management position a lot of the time. |
| 22:09.03 | sn0w_m0nkey | i must dl this |
| 22:09.17 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 22:09.45 | JBdiGriz | ~bzflist |
| 22:10.14 | JBdiGriz | There are still almost 100 people playing, they just aren't on the bzflag.org machines. |
| 22:10.31 | Grumbler | dragon.org has users....... |
| 22:10.33 | Nidhoggr | just emailed tim. |
| 22:10.53 | Nidhoggr | wow. |
| 22:11.02 | Nidhoggr | and I was just going to kill it and restart. :) |
| 22:11.02 | Grumbler | my map LIVES :) |
| 22:11.05 | Nidhoggr | good thing. |
| 22:11.22 | Grumbler | probably just a bunch of cheaters............of course i am a little pessimistic |
| 22:11.48 | JBdiGriz | hard to tell cheats from network problems a lot of the time. |
| 22:11.57 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 22:12.19 | Grumbler | ditto nod |
| 22:12.52 | JBdiGriz | then again, there are people who I will just avoid playing with, since it seems like the clients they use are always "different" from others. |
| 22:13.47 | sn0w_m0nkey | i've been cussed out by players who think i cheat JBdiGriz |
| 22:13.58 | sn0w_m0nkey | all i can say is "nope" and shoot them |
| 22:14.18 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 22:14.26 | Grumbler | lag, and those who dont have the experience with lag, seem to cause most problems lately |
| 22:14.38 | JBdiGriz | i've been cussed out, and one even went and started up a cheat client because he thought i was cheating. |
| 22:14.49 | sn0w_m0nkey | thats bad |
| 22:14.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | to come back with a cheat |
| 22:15.13 | Grumbler | and then there are the low fps issues.....which look like a cheat, have no lag stat, but are not |
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| 22:15.50 | sn0w_m0nkey | i only ban when i see someone fly, or turn mid air with control etc... |
| 22:16.08 | JBdiGriz | the low fps seems to only affect the person who has the problem, unlike the network issues which affect everyone on the server. |
| 22:16.14 | Nidhoggr | a new admin at secretplace sent an email saying that someone is almost done with an "admin" client that makes the play invisible on radar and visually and makes them invincible, etc. and told people to email him if they were interested. I replied that I would ban anyone I caught using it. |
| 22:16.45 | sn0w_m0nkey | hmmm |
| 22:16.49 | Grumbler | not sure, when i was low fps, i had several people accuse me of cheating..........new graphics card, no accusations.......except the usual fools |
| 22:16.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | new cheat on the way? |
| 22:16.54 | sn0w_m0nkey | sucks |
| 22:16.57 | Nidhoggr | probably. |
| 22:17.00 | larsl | How would a player be invisible on the radar without having ST? |
| 22:17.07 | JBdiGriz | i would be interested in seeing the source for that client, or possibly the binary if we could analyze the traffic coming from it. |
| 22:17.08 | Nidhoggr | I've seen a LOT of "god mode" cheaters recently |
| 22:17.11 | Nidhoggr | dunno |
| 22:17.42 | Chestal | larsl: he wouldn't. The only possibilty I can think of is something like teleporting, that can easily be done |
| 22:17.50 | sn0w_m0nkey | mole! |
| 22:17.56 | larsl | Chestal: Yes, that's what I thought too. |
| 22:18.21 | Chestal | he might be driving aroudn normally from his point of view and simply send no or bogus MsgPlayerUpdate packets |
| 22:18.37 | Chestal | right before shooting he'd have to send his actual position due to the server checks |
| 22:18.48 | Chestal | but he could teleport away right after shooting again |
| 22:18.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | or his client gets popped off the server? |
| 22:19.06 | sn0w_m0nkey | for no checks? |
| 22:19.11 | Chestal | shots are ignored by the server when they orignate too far from the tank |
| 22:19.14 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahh |
| 22:19.32 | JBdiGriz | there was one player who seemed to be very hard to hit. we asked him to check his client and his connection. this guy never replied to anything but kept on going. Eventually we kicked him a couple of times until he would either work with us or leave. |
| 22:20.08 | Grumbler | nice to do on small servers |
| 22:20.46 | JBdiGriz | I tend to hang out on ducati style servers. |
| 22:20.54 | Chestal | I better go to bed, cu |
| 22:20.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | i am server slut |
| 22:21.01 | sn0w_m0nkey | nite ches |
| 22:21.17 | Nidhoggr | whee... about 320 Gigbytes of bzflag bandwidth for last month. |
| 22:21.25 | Chestal | night old monkey, maybe next year we'll battle once more :-) |
| 22:21.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe...you better bet on that |
| 22:21.38 | Nidhoggr | just over 1 mbps |
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| 22:22.33 | Grumbler | so like i was saying, once i get the bomb in place we can ransom microsoft for a couple billion |
| 22:22.42 | Grumbler | oh, there back |
| 22:22.50 | Grumbler | ssshhhhh |
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| 22:22.58 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 22:23.07 | JBdiGriz | but daBomb isn't here. :) |
| 22:23.19 | Grumbler | but dave is still here, man |
| 22:23.26 | JBdiGriz | dave? |
| 22:23.36 | Grumbler | dave's not here? |
| 22:23.45 | Nidhoggr | dave's not here, man. |
| 22:23.47 | david_v | depends which dave you mean :) |
| 22:23.57 | JBdiGriz | it's me, open the door. |
| 22:23.57 | Nidhoggr | oh, your DAVID, not dave. ;) |
| 22:24.01 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 22:24.02 | david_v | ah :) |
| 22:24.06 | Grumbler | ha |
| 22:24.23 | david_v | you just solved my identity crisis :) |
| 22:24.41 | Nidhoggr | I'm good like that. |
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| 22:25.28 | Grumbler | yeah, think i may have found a new nick..........one that suits me better......heh |
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| 22:25.43 | Nidhoggr | which is that? |
| 22:25.48 | Grumbler | Grumbler |
| 22:25.50 | JBdiGriz | david_v: As my father once told me "Every Tom, Dick, and Harry is named David" |
| 22:26.11 | Grumbler | may have to kill off Bagheera and Koba |
| 22:26.22 | sn0w_m0nkey | your koba also? |
| 22:26.26 | JBdiGriz | ~murder Bagheera |
| 22:26.28 | | ACTION shoots Bagheera in his sleep |
| 22:26.29 | sn0w_m0nkey | you little...grrrr |
| 22:26.29 | Grumbler | i am many people |
| 22:26.34 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 22:26.42 | JBdiGriz | ~kill Koba |
| 22:26.44 | | ACTION slits Koba's throat |
| 22:26.44 | sn0w_m0nkey | ok sybil |
| 22:27.05 | JBdiGriz | !lart Grumbler |
| 22:27.05 | Nidhoggr | heh |
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| 22:27.17 | Nidhoggr | I need a callsign that people don't wierd out over. |
| 22:27.26 | sn0w_m0nkey | yeah |
| 22:27.31 | sn0w_m0nkey | lets come up with one |
| 22:27.43 | Grumbler | Puff |
| 22:27.46 | sn0w_m0nkey | sn0w_s0mething |
| 22:27.56 | JBdiGriz | How about Ishmael? |
| 22:28.00 | Grumbler | sn0w_Puff |
| 22:28.00 | Nidhoggr | snort. |
| 22:28.11 | sn0w_m0nkey | sn0w_bl0wer |
| 22:28.22 | Nidhoggr | hrm not a good idea. |
| 22:28.26 | Grumbler | hahah |
| 22:28.35 | JBdiGriz | people would get the wrong idea with sn0w_bl0wer, or sn0w_sn0rt |
| 22:28.51 | sn0w_h0ggr | :) |
| 22:29.21 | JBdiGriz | you could use MVF :) |
| 22:29.39 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:30.45 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 22:31.01 | Grumbler | WingedLizard |
| 22:31.05 | sn0w_m0nkey | sn0w_bl0wer sounds like a disco drug dealer eh |
| 22:31.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | wingedlizard....you must have watched alot of cheech and chong movies |
| 22:31.47 | Grumbler | EnlightenedDinosaur |
| 22:32.12 | sn0w_m0nkey | you read buddhist chants |
| 22:32.19 | sn0w_m0nkey | recite i mean |
| 22:32.43 | sn0w_m0nkey | FreeWheelin' Franklin |
| 22:32.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | now thats an alias! |
| 22:32.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 22:32.53 | Grumbler | The Tao of Poo, The Tee of Piglet....hahaha |
| 22:33.05 | JBdiGriz | sn0w_m0nkey: you've been reading too many comix :) |
| 22:34.05 | sn0w_m0nkey | i grew up on the wrong kind of comix i think |
| 22:34.25 | sn0w_m0nkey | my mom was a zz top groupie... |
| 22:34.31 | Nidhoggr | I could do jormungandr again. |
| 22:34.38 | JBdiGriz | If you grew up on the freak bros, that was probably not the best influence. |
| 22:34.49 | Grumbler | .....thought you wanted something people wouldnt freak out to |
| 22:35.08 | Nidhoggr | I do buddhist chant as part of my daily meditations, after my rosary. |
| 22:35.14 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:35.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | you know what sigh freaks me out..its this one |
| 22:35.23 | sn0w_m0nkey | ^-^ |
| 22:35.30 | Nidhoggr | it's a kitty |
| 22:35.32 | sn0w_m0nkey | for some reason..thats scares me |
| 22:35.32 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:35.35 | sn0w_m0nkey | is it really? |
| 22:35.38 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 22:35.41 | sn0w_m0nkey | noway |
| 22:35.45 | sn0w_m0nkey | oh my |
| 22:35.46 | Nidhoggr | or ^.^ |
| 22:35.47 | JBdiGriz | sticking it's head over a fence |
| 22:35.49 | sn0w_m0nkey | yes |
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| 22:35.54 | sn0w_m0nkey | geeez |
| 22:35.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | i'm old |
| 22:36.10 | Grumbler | zz top will do that to you |
| 22:36.13 | sn0w_m0nkey | haha |
| 22:36.18 | Nidhoggr | urnot old |
| 22:36.19 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:36.20 | JBdiGriz | if you grew up on freak bros. you're younger than nid or i. |
| 22:36.24 | Nidhoggr | <--- is old. |
| 22:36.30 | sn0w_m0nkey | really? |
| 22:36.36 | Nidhoggr | well, not REALLY old. |
| 22:36.42 | Nidhoggr | just a little old. |
| 22:36.42 | sn0w_m0nkey | haha |
| 22:36.47 | Grumbler | age is a state of mind............as such, i should be getting buried any day now |
| 22:36.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | word |
| 22:36.58 | JBdiGriz | he doesn't measure up to MrAC, and he's only a little behind me. |
| 22:37.07 | sn0w_m0nkey | wow |
| 22:37.12 | sn0w_m0nkey | 34 |
| 22:37.32 | sn0w_m0nkey | thats why i had to get rid of m0nkey_b0y |
| 22:37.38 | Nidhoggr | scipio is 28 |
| 22:37.41 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 22:38.16 | sn0w_m0nkey | purple_cow |
| 22:38.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | thats a good alias, fun for the family |
| 22:38.29 | JBdiGriz | he's a youngster |
| 22:38.48 | Patlabor221 | purple_cow is a baby |
| 22:39.15 | Patlabor221 | and on that note, captain_proton, WHR is done |
| 22:39.34 | sn0w_m0nkey | proton is a scary name |
| 22:39.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | the captain part lightens it up ;) |
| 22:39.55 | Patlabor221 | it's just a charged particle |
| 22:39.57 | Grumbler | a bit larger than captian_quark |
| 22:40.02 | Patlabor221 | ~particleoftheday |
| 22:40.05 | sn0w_m0nkey | heh |
| 22:40.05 | Nidhoggr | if it was colonel or general proton, I'd be scared. |
| 22:40.05 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:40.17 | sn0w_m0nkey | GERNERAL_PROTON |
| 22:40.22 | sn0w_m0nkey | hmmmm...there ya go |
| 22:40.32 | sn0w_m0nkey | oops |
| 22:40.55 | JBdiGriz | How about Colonel_Kernel as a nick? |
| 22:41.01 | sn0w_m0nkey | heh |
| 22:41.08 | sn0w_m0nkey | sounds like a medical condition |
| 22:41.10 | Grumbler | Capn_Chaos |
| 22:41.23 | sn0w_m0nkey | wasn't that a cartoon? |
| 22:41.35 | Grumbler | Kernel_Chaos........south park |
| 22:41.40 | sn0w_m0nkey | or was that capn caveman? |
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| 22:41.49 | Grumbler | capn_caveman |
| 22:41.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahhh |
| 22:41.57 | daBomb | hello? |
| 22:42.02 | sn0w_m0nkey | you must be my age bags |
| 22:42.04 | sn0w_m0nkey | hi db |
| 22:42.05 | Grumbler | caaaaaaaappppppnnnnnn_caaaaaavvvvvvvvemannnnnnnn |
| 22:42.10 | sn0w_m0nkey | yup thats it |
| 22:42.23 | daBomb | ah. finally some action |
| 22:42.27 | JBdiGriz | daBomb is in daHouse. |
| 22:42.34 | sn0w_m0nkey | we are pretending to play bz db |
| 22:42.41 | daBomb | yeah hommie |
| 22:42.45 | Grumbler | time to get daHeck out |
| 22:42.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | ciao bags |
| 22:43.03 | Grumbler | j/k |
| 22:43.06 | sn0w_m0nkey | oh duh |
| 22:43.23 | daBomb | he just wanted to sound gangsta i think ; |
| 22:43.24 | daBomb | ) |
| 22:43.25 | sn0w_m0nkey | i was the slowest in my class |
| 22:43.34 | sn0w_m0nkey | and that was a crappy school |
| 22:43.52 | Grumbler | wasnt capn_caveman on with JabberJaw and josie and the pussycats......hmmmmm |
| 22:44.04 | sn0w_m0nkey | wow |
| 22:44.05 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:44.14 | Patlabor221 | tho he had a band too |
| 22:44.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | i have the munchies now |
| 22:44.35 | Grumbler | they all did, i think.......scooby doo wannna bees |
| 22:44.43 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:44.56 | Patlabor221 | odd as they were made by the same compnay |
| 22:44.59 | JBdiGriz | When cartoons started to get really bad. |
| 22:45.17 | Patlabor221 | the 70s HB toons where mostly crap |
| 22:45.17 | sn0w_m0nkey | johnny quest rules i tell ya |
| 22:45.32 | sn0w_m0nkey | bandit was the shizzznit |
| 22:45.36 | daBomb | dexter can beat them all |
| 22:45.39 | sn0w_m0nkey | heh |
| 22:45.41 | Patlabor221 | race bannon was the man |
| 22:45.41 | JBdiGriz | sn0w_m0nkey: the original or the remakes? |
| 22:45.46 | sn0w_m0nkey | original |
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| 22:46.11 | daBomb | dexter is daMan |
| 22:46.15 | sn0w_m0nkey | heh |
| 22:46.23 | JBdiGriz | I liked the originals, but I thought they were 60's cartoons. |
| 22:46.28 | sn0w_m0nkey | yeah way old |
| 22:46.38 | daBomb | dexter rules |
| 22:46.43 | Grumbler | thats when i turned to robotech.......come to think of it, they are re-releaseing the orginal with new content |
| 22:46.45 | brlcad | scrollback home |
| 22:46.50 | brlcad | er, heh |
| 22:46.59 | daBomb | dexter is cool |
| 22:47.06 | sn0w_m0nkey | yes i think i heard that bags |
| 22:47.28 | Grumbler | expensive as i remember though.... |
| 22:47.35 | JBdiGriz | sn0w_m0nkey: Thanks, I remember watching them when they first came out :P |
| 22:48.02 | Patlabor221 | robotech is a travesty |
| 22:48.10 | daBomb | dexter can even eat a frog (well if he wants to) |
| 22:48.10 | Patlabor221 | you should watch the origonals |
| 22:48.12 | Grumbler | but historical |
| 22:48.34 | Patlabor221 | you do know that robotech was origonaly 3 totaly seperate shows, right? |
| 22:48.47 | Patlabor221 | ohh I watched it religously :) |
| 22:48.49 | sn0w_m0nkey | yeah i saw them in japan when i was a kiddo |
| 22:49.05 | Patlabor221 | all people need to watch macross pluss |
| 22:49.10 | Patlabor221 | and I mean ALL |
| 22:49.47 | daBomb | he is small maybe but he is very powerfull. i would say 'little body has a big spirit' |
| 22:50.05 | Patlabor221 | I am hoping to get Gensis CLimber Mesopedia for X-mas ( that waht the 3rd gen was taken from ) |
| 22:50.11 | sn0w_m0nkey | JBdiGriz: still doing the math on that :) |
| 22:50.27 | JBdiGriz | on what? |
| 22:50.45 | sn0w_m0nkey | original movie dates => present day |
| 22:50.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | your like older than me |
| 22:51.04 | daBomb | dexter is cute |
| 22:51.21 | Patlabor221 | dexter is one of the better modern shows |
| 22:51.31 | JBdiGriz | I figured that one out back on the fabulous furry freak bros. reference. :) |
| 22:51.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | heh |
| 22:51.41 | Patlabor221 | Samuri Jack is where it's at tho |
| 22:51.58 | sn0w_m0nkey | golgo 13 |
| 22:52.04 | sn0w_m0nkey | he is daman |
| 22:52.10 | Patlabor221 | Gigantor?! |
| 22:52.16 | sn0w_m0nkey | duke togo |
| 22:52.20 | Patlabor221 | Biger then Big? stronger then strong |
| 22:52.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | smoother than smooth |
| 22:52.34 | daBomb | who? |
| 22:52.35 | Grumbler | samurai jack is pretty interseting |
| 22:52.46 | sn0w_m0nkey | yeah thats a not bad show at all |
| 22:52.47 | Patlabor221 | Big O could kick Gigantors ass |
| 22:52.53 | daBomb | dexter? |
| 22:53.01 | sn0w_m0nkey | daBomb: golgo 13 is duke togo |
| 22:53.22 | Grumbler | jimmy neutron has geek fun written all over it |
| 22:53.31 | daBomb | hmmm |
| 22:53.42 | sn0w_m0nkey | my gf really like that show, i don't know why. |
| 22:53.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | strange.. |
| 22:54.02 | Grumbler | hannnnnging and foooooollding |
| 22:54.02 | JBdiGriz | back when the phrase "Japanese Animation" had a very different connotation to it. :) |
| 22:54.02 | Death_Barrel | *.bzflag.org still is not up? |
| 22:54.32 | KR | pimpis server is still up tho |
| 22:55.21 | Death_Barrel | wad up kr! |
| 22:55.23 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 22:55.44 | KR | wassup dead barrel |
| 22:56.07 | daBomb | lol |
| 22:56.09 | daBomb | hi DB |
| 22:56.13 | *** join/#bzflag Death_Barrel (clx@gss-tech.com) |
| 22:56.20 | Death_Barrel | dammit i hate you proxy!! |
| 22:56.21 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 22:56.24 | Grumbler | a heavily armed sailboat...... |
| 22:56.25 | sn0w_m0nkey | ~d |
| 22:56.26 | KR | get me a stinger missle too |
| 22:56.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | well looky there |
| 22:56.49 | daBomb | and little rescue submarine just in case :) |
| 22:56.54 | KR | hmmm sm has multi personailty |
| 22:57.01 | KR | lol dB |
| 22:57.03 | Death_Barrel | maybe a .50 Cal also, for backup :) you never know when you might need it ;) |
| 22:57.29 | KR | welll then, might as well put in some torpedo tubes and some ballistic missles, too |
| 22:57.30 | Grumbler | is he going sailing or pirating |
| 22:57.30 | Death_Barrel | you know how the coast gurad is.....might have to take em out! |
| 22:57.53 | KR | and one of those super-fast machine guns with a Gatling barrel |
| 22:58.00 | KR | Phalanx |
| 22:58.16 | Grumbler | i know several ring knockers in the Coast Guard.......i will put the alert out.... |
| 22:58.22 | KR | lol |
| 22:58.23 | Death_Barrel | arrrrrrrrr matty |
| 22:58.26 | Death_Barrel | mattie |
| 22:58.30 | sn0w_m0nkey | arrrrrrrrr |
| 22:58.39 | KR | the name of my boat is um uh "purty Boat", yeah thats it ;) |
| 22:58.42 | Grumbler | a pirate_monkey |
| 22:58.47 | sn0w_m0nkey | i forget that ole pirate song |
| 22:58.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | 16 beers on a dead mans chest |
| 22:59.05 | sn0w_m0nkey | yo ho ho and a bottle of rum |
| 22:59.09 | sn0w_m0nkey | is that right? |
| 22:59.16 | Death_Barrel | rum is good |
| 22:59.16 | sn0w_m0nkey | 16 beers? |
| 22:59.17 | KR | "A Pirate Looks At Forty" by James Buffett |
| 22:59.19 | sn0w_m0nkey | can't be |
| 22:59.20 | KR | :) |
| 22:59.21 | Death_Barrel | so is beer |
| 22:59.26 | Grumbler | :) |
| 22:59.36 | sn0w_m0nkey | i was a kid i forgot it! |
| 22:59.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | damn dirty monkey |
| 22:59.49 | Death_Barrel | uuummmmmm i love the warm feeling you get when you drink rum |
| 22:59.58 | KR | maybe "and a dead mans chest" |
| 23:00.04 | Death_Barrel | great for those cold winter nights |
| 23:00.04 | KR | not "on " |
| 23:00.05 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehehehe |
| 23:00.10 | KR | but I dont know |
| 23:00.13 | sn0w_m0nkey | sorry i cannot remember it at all |
| 23:00.15 | KR | i'll check google |
| 23:00.22 | Noodleman | yo ho ho, and a bottle of rum! |
| 23:00.24 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 23:00.49 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (~leena@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 23:00.53 | Death_Barrel | yo ho ho, and a keg of rum sounds better to me ;) |
| 23:01.20 | Grumbler | talk of rum, and the canadian goddess joins the ranks......coincidence or not? |
| 23:01.26 | sn0w_m0nkey | Fifteen men on a dead man's chest |
| 23:01.32 | KR | sm got it |
| 23:01.34 | sn0w_m0nkey | Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum |
| 23:01.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehehe yay! |
| 23:01.39 | Death_Barrel | 99 bottles of beer on the deck, 99 bottles of beer! u take one down pass it to KR and Snow Monkey, 98 bottles of rum on the deck |
| 23:01.40 | orchid | are you guys drunk? |
| 23:01.44 | sn0w_m0nkey | not enuff |
| 23:01.52 | sn0w_m0nkey | monkey needs booze |
| 23:01.53 | Death_Barrel | whaaastheht??? |
| 23:01.57 | KR | we're waiting on some girls to show up, orchid ;) |
| 23:02.01 | Death_Barrel | droonk? |
| 23:02.06 | KR | drinkle |
| 23:02.11 | sn0w_m0nkey | we need women arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 23:02.12 | *** topic/#bzflag by ElectricElf -> http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/20/bzflag.html || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || beta builds http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || bzflag.org / *.bzflag.org do not work (ducati = ducati.unix-ag.org; xmission = 166.70.135.189) |
| 23:02.19 | Death_Barrel | balaehlerea man i am wasted again, libalaehrelsdf |
| 23:02.32 | Death_Barrel | ~dict droonk |
| 23:02.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | i slobbered |
| 23:02.36 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 23:02.41 | Death_Barrel | ~dict drunk |
| 23:02.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | Drink and the devil had done for the rest |
| 23:02.50 | orchid | ElectricElf: is is safe to go from woody to sid? i need to upgrade |
| 23:02.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum. |
| 23:03.03 | sn0w_m0nkey | cool song |
| 23:03.05 | Death_Barrel | "The husband drinks and beats his wife" <<<<< lmfao |
| 23:03.21 | ElectricElf | orchid: There's a local root exploit in the kernel, so you may want to upgrade to the most recent release of the Woody kernel (if you're using the packaged kernel) before you go. |
| 23:03.30 | Death_Barrel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.41 | sn0w_m0nkey | i just found my new alias :) |
| 23:03.48 | ElectricElf | orchid: Otherwise, I believe there's a minor problem with python2.3, one of the packages trying to overwrite another's - nothing a --force-overwrite won't fix. |
| 23:03.55 | orchid | ElectricElf: im using 2.4.18bf2 |
| 23:03.59 | KR | orchid: I did that last year, it worked some broke some as far as KDE - which you are using now right? |
| 23:04.29 | Death_Barrel | i am telling you guys,,, the way to fix this problem>>>> |
| 23:04.39 | sn0w_m0nkey | beer? |
| 23:04.47 | KR | explosions |
| 23:04.48 | Death_Barrel | load up all the servers in a truck and throw them out and various speeds |
| 23:05.00 | Death_Barrel | then turn around and run em over |
| 23:05.04 | KR | lol |
| 23:05.05 | sn0w_m0nkey | at different heights? |
| 23:05.06 | daBomb | may i abandon ship skipp? |
| 23:05.18 | KR | permission granted |
| 23:05.23 | Death_Barrel | hmmm, sure different heights will probabally work also |
| 23:05.25 | KR | leave yer loot behind |
| 23:05.31 | orchid | kr im having problems compiling bz in woody, so i want to go to sid and try it, also, i dont like all the old stuff in woody, like xchat 1.8 |
| 23:05.34 | daBomb | aye aye. abandoing ship then |
| 23:05.42 | daBomb | see ya and good nite |
| 23:05.49 | KR | fair winds, following seas, dB |
| 23:05.49 | sn0w_m0nkey | argrrrrrrrrr |
| 23:05.57 | daBomb | likewise |
| 23:05.58 | *** part/#bzflag daBomb (~dalskdjal@215-bem-10.acn.waw.pl) |
| 23:05.58 | sn0w_m0nkey | woody is redhat? |
| 23:06.02 | Death_Barrel | argrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 23:06.10 | Death_Barrel | argrrr argrrr |
| 23:06.11 | david_v | sn0w_m0nkey: a version of Debian |
| 23:06.12 | orchid | mb: woody is debian stable |
| 23:06.14 | sn0w_m0nkey | ahhh |
| 23:06.24 | *** join/#bzflag Death_Barrel (clx@gss-tech.com) |
| 23:06.27 | KR | why not sarge? |
| 23:06.31 | orchid | !debian version bzflag |
| 23:06.31 | sn0w_m0nkey | one day i will try bsd |
| 23:06.34 | Guu | orchid: Total matches: 0, shown: 0. |
| 23:06.54 | orchid | kr sarge ive never tried |
| 23:06.55 | KR | i know - becuase sid is such a cool name :) |
| 23:07.02 | david_v | heh |
| 23:07.08 | KR | as in sid viscious |
| 23:07.13 | KR | lol |
| 23:07.19 | KR | thats a typo :) |
| 23:07.20 | sn0w_m0nkey | sid "sex is boooooring" vicious |
| 23:07.22 | david_v | i prefer sid actually |
| 23:07.37 | david_v | everything else is too old :) |
| 23:07.51 | *** part/#bzflag DB7654321 (~DB7654321@atlnga1-ar2-4-33-115-228.atlnga1.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 23:07.55 | david_v | i think even sarge comes with KDE 2 |
| 23:08.00 | david_v | not really |
| 23:08.24 | david_v | when they say "unstable" on Debian, it's really the stable versions... imo :) |
| 23:08.27 | KR | this distro I'm using now is sarge based, has kde 3.1.4 IIRC |
| 23:08.35 | david_v | the real development versions don't even hit the Debian networks |
| 23:08.37 | david_v | afaik |
| 23:08.45 | david_v | oh? |
| 23:08.45 | sn0w_m0nkey | pico and the man |
| 23:08.46 | david_v | weird |
| 23:09.03 | david_v | maybe i was thinking about woody |
| 23:09.04 | KR | I'll have to install sid when I get done with this beta test |
| 23:09.04 | Noodleman | livin' in the fridge! |
| 23:09.11 | Death_Barrel | we should all go jump out of an airplane! |
| 23:09.19 | KR | woody from this distro has kde2.2 |
| 23:09.21 | sn0w_m0nkey | count me in |
| 23:09.32 | david_v | KR: btw, if you think Debian sid is living on the edge... consider Gentoo ;) |
| 23:09.37 | KR | lol |
| 23:09.38 | Death_Barrel | been there done that and i want to do it again ;) |
| 23:09.46 | david_v | KR: and FYI, i'm using it :P |
| 23:09.51 | KR | i've been wanting to try that |
| 23:10.00 | david_v | it's nice. just takes time to compile stuff |
| 23:10.13 | Death_Barrel | what? gentoo or jumping from a plane? |
| 23:10.37 | KR | pat - my brother is building his own airplane, an RV-7A |
| 23:10.40 | Death_Barrel | nothing is perfect ;) |
| 23:10.49 | KR | I get free rides when he finishes |
| 23:10.50 | Death_Barrel | besides beer and Carmen Electra ;) |
| 23:11.03 | sn0w_m0nkey | you must mean jessica alba |
| 23:11.08 | david_v | well now i'd better start preparing for bed... good night all |
| 23:11.10 | Death_Barrel | uuuuummmmmmmmm |
| 23:11.10 | sn0w_m0nkey | carmen is married |
| 23:11.13 | Death_Barrel | yes her too |
| 23:11.14 | KR | c ya david |
| 23:11.22 | Death_Barrel | cu dav |
| 23:11.28 | KR | the girl from DareDevil movie is my current fav |
| 23:11.34 | sn0w_m0nkey | oh yeah |
| 23:11.35 | KR | meow |
| 23:11.39 | sn0w_m0nkey | meeooow |
| 23:11.45 | Death_Barrel | ruuffff |
| 23:11.50 | sn0w_m0nkey | its the leather eh |
| 23:11.58 | Death_Barrel | ooooo baby |
| 23:12.00 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 23:12.03 | KR | the curly long hair and blue eyes :) |
| 23:12.07 | sn0w_m0nkey | heh |
| 23:12.11 | KR | grrrrrowwwwllll |
| 23:12.16 | sn0w_m0nkey | yo ho ho and bottle of rum |
| 23:12.17 | KR | :-D |
| 23:12.18 | Death_Barrel | yeah !!! |
| 23:12.21 | Death_Barrel | whoot whoot |
| 23:12.45 | Death_Barrel | I'm dead sexy! get in my belley! |
| 23:13.08 | KR | http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&id=1800338890&cf=pg&photoid=433379&intl=us |
| 23:13.08 | sn0w_m0nkey | i'm not much for afflack movies |
| 23:13.09 | KR | :) |
| 23:13.23 | KR | yeah that duck drives me crazy |
| 23:13.25 | sn0w_m0nkey | that guy has only one good movie... "dazed and confused" |
| 23:13.44 | Death_Barrel | jenifer garner>>> stars in the TV series "alias" |
| 23:13.50 | Death_Barrel | whoot whoot!! |
| 23:14.00 | KR | havent heard of that BB |
| 23:14.03 | Death_Barrel | dazed and confused!!!!!! |
| 23:14.04 | JBdiGriz | He's not particularly impressive, and the effects weren't very good either. It was worth a rental, though. |
| 23:14.08 | KR | will have to watch tv someitme now :) |
| 23:14.16 | KR | agreed JB |
| 23:14.36 | KR | tonight is Charlie Angels II for me :) |
| 23:14.42 | KR | Cameron |
| 23:14.45 | |tim| | 0.0; I just saw the preview to Halo 2 on TechTV |
| 23:14.45 | Death_Barrel | you got a joint? no, "sure would be cool if you did" |
| 23:14.47 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 23:14.48 | KR | buh buh buh |
| 23:15.20 | JBdiGriz | She is an interesting character, kr. |
| 23:15.22 | KR | is that from Charlies or DareDevil BB? |
| 23:15.22 | Death_Barrel | wazzzzzz up libahalaalalblah timmmmaaaaaahhhhhhh |
| 23:15.37 | Death_Barrel | that is from dazed and confused! |
| 23:15.38 | KR | timah |
| 23:15.39 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 23:15.45 | *** join/#bzflag o (nikt@bx88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 23:15.46 | KR | tim tim timah |
| 23:15.48 | |tim| | :) |
| 23:15.51 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 23:16.03 | Death_Barrel | south park libalalblahlalablah timmmmahhhh |
| 23:16.09 | Death_Barrel | heheeh |
| 23:16.13 | KR | still havent seen the South Park where Timah becomes a rock star |
| 23:16.29 | |tim| | Thats the best one! |
| 23:16.35 | *** join/#bzflag Death_Barrel (clx@gss-tech.com) |
| 23:16.58 | KR | Otimo |
| 23:17.15 | KR | trying to make an ASCII wheelchair with Tim in it |
| 23:17.21 | Death_Barrel | http://www.sptimmy.com/timmy.gif <<<<< |tim| |
| 23:17.39 | |tim| | hehe |
| 23:18.02 | KR | O\tim/o |
| 23:18.13 | Death_Barrel | http://www.sptimmy.com/videos/ <<<< |tim|'s videos |
| 23:18.13 | KR | good on eBB |
| 23:18.54 | |tim| | Death_Barrel, http://www.sptimmy.com/pics/gotimmygo800x600.jpg shall be my desktop |
| 23:19.19 | Pimpinella | |tim|: what is ip for xmission? |
| 23:19.28 | Death_Barrel | lmfao tim :D |
| 23:19.41 | Death_Barrel | do a nslookup for xmission |
| 23:19.42 | |tim| | Pimpinella, I have no clue |
| 23:19.52 | |tim| | ElectricElf, do you know? |
| 23:20.05 | Death_Barrel | what is xmission's full name and i will tell you |
| 23:20.09 | Pimpinella | |tim|: ur admin there? |
| 23:20.18 | JBdiGriz | ~bzflist |
| 23:20.28 | |tim| | uh......... |
| 23:20.37 | JBdiGriz | ~nslookup xmission.bzflag.org |
| 23:20.42 | sn0w_m0nkey | heh barrel |
| 23:20.45 | sn0w_m0nkey | your bad! |
| 23:20.48 | Death_Barrel | there you go :) |
| 23:21.02 | ElectricElf | It's in the topic. :) |
| 23:21.10 | Pimpinella | ???? |
| 23:21.11 | KR | lol busted |
| 23:21.13 | ElectricElf | |tim|: Put there by me not long ago :) |
| 23:21.13 | Death_Barrel | http://www.sptimmy.com/games/timmy_game.htm >>>>>> i am playing this as we speak! |
| 23:21.18 | Pimpinella | ns wors again? |
| 23:21.25 | sn0w_m0nkey | timmy |
| 23:21.33 | sn0w_m0nkey | as in timmy from south park? |
| 23:21.39 | Death_Barrel | yep |
| 23:21.45 | sn0w_m0nkey | cool a game? |
| 23:21.45 | Pimpinella | cool |
| 23:21.46 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 23:21.49 | Death_Barrel | |tim| is the real deal :) |
| 23:21.53 | |tim| | uh oh |
| 23:21.57 | |tim| | dads home and i'm sick |
| 23:21.59 | |tim| | *cough* |
| 23:22.01 | |tim| | brb |
| 23:22.01 | Death_Barrel | yep game!!! the liballablhabhdg timmmmahahhhh |
| 23:22.03 | Death_Barrel | game |
| 23:22.12 | sn0w_m0nkey | dude |
| 23:22.14 | sn0w_m0nkey | sweet |
| 23:22.30 | sn0w_m0nkey | eh cool |
| 23:22.37 | sn0w_m0nkey | my boss wants to go drink beers |
| 23:22.53 | sn0w_m0nkey | l8ers sk8ers |
| 23:22.56 | JBdiGriz | If he's buying, then he's the boss. |
| 23:23.26 | *** part/#bzflag nikt (nikt@bx88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 23:24.08 | |tim| | back |
| 23:24.15 | Death_Barrel | hehe |
| 23:24.17 | Death_Barrel | http://www.sptimmy.com/games/timmy_game.htm |
| 23:24.26 | Death_Barrel | it is fing haliarous |
| 23:24.27 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 23:24.49 | ElectricElf | Anybody want to come play on xmission? |
| 23:24.57 | Pimpinella | k |
| 23:25.58 | |tim| | I keep on hitting logs on that game |
| 23:26.54 | *** join/#bzflag Death_Barrel (clx@gss-tech.com) |
| 23:28.17 | Death_Barrel | lol, wait til you get to lvl 2 |
| 23:28.19 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 23:28.24 | Death_Barrel | i already beat it! |
| 23:28.28 | Death_Barrel | only 4 lvls :( |
| 23:28.30 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 23:28.42 | Death_Barrel | does it have sound tim? |
| 23:28.56 | Death_Barrel | |tim| : does it have sound? |
| 23:28.59 | |tim| | yeah |
| 23:29.23 | Death_Barrel | is is funny? |
| 23:29.43 | Death_Barrel | i need to install my audio drivers |
| 23:29.50 | Death_Barrel | brb pee break |
| 23:30.06 | Patlabor221 | TMI man, TMI |
| 23:30.12 | |tim| | yeah; It says "libalalibala timmahhhhhh" |
| 23:30.23 | |tim| | and every time you score it says "timmaaaahhh |
| 23:30.45 | Patlabor221 | livin larg livin loud, Timmy! |
| 23:30.55 | *** join/#bzflag RedRock (~chatzilla@adsl-139-67.wanadoo.be) |
| 23:30.57 | |tim| | - Ludacris |
| 23:31.05 | RedRock | heya |
| 23:31.10 | |tim| | hiya RedRock |
| 23:31.40 | RedRock | Is there something with the bzflag.org and ducati? |
| 23:31.51 | Patlabor221 | the DNS is down |
| 23:31.52 | RedRock | get a lookup host failed error |
| 23:31.56 | RedRock | aah |
| 23:32.05 | |tim| | For how long? |
| 23:32.07 | Patlabor221 | you can use the domains and IPs in the topic |
| 23:32.09 | Patlabor221 | we dn't know |
| 23:32.16 | Patlabor221 | no word from the man at all |
| 23:33.11 | RedRock | I saw someone on ducati ... |
| 23:33.23 | RedRock | but I couldn't get in |
| 23:33.29 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (frank@p50820409.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:33.30 | Patlabor221 | what error? |
| 23:33.31 | RedRock | the stats said one green was there |
| 23:33.36 | Death_Barrel | try this>>>> ducati.unix-ag.org |
| 23:33.40 | Death_Barrel | :5156 |
| 23:33.44 | RedRock | hostname lookup failed |
| 23:33.52 | Patlabor221 | put in that domain |
| 23:33.53 | RedRock | will do t |
| 23:33.55 | RedRock | tx |
| 23:34.04 | Patlabor221 | all .bzflag.org names will fail |
| 23:34.59 | RedRock | nobody there :( lol |
| 23:35.37 | Pimpinella | where does ElectricElf live? |
| 23:35.50 | RedRock | in the fairt tell forest? |
| 23:35.55 | orchid | Pimpinella: toronto |
| 23:35.56 | RedRock | speeling is wrong but anyway |
| 23:36.18 | ElectricElf | Pimpinella: Erk, sorry I left so quickly. |
| 23:36.20 | ElectricElf | Pimpinella: Phone call. |
| 23:36.33 | RedRock | man you type quick |
| 23:36.49 | Pimpinella | amazing, my lag was even lower than urs |
| 23:36.49 | ElectricElf | orchid: I'm looking for a job, incidentally. If you know anybody looking for *nix admins, drop me a line? |
| 23:36.55 | RedRock | luckily there aren't any speed-violations possible on that :) |
| 23:36.57 | ElectricElf | s/job/new job/ |
| 23:36.58 | *** join/#bzflag Death_Barrel (clx@gss-tech.com) |
| 23:36.58 | |tim| | brb |
| 23:37.06 | orchid | my isp were hiring EE |
| 23:37.09 | ElectricElf | Pimpinella: Yeah. Rogers sucks. |
| 23:37.14 | ElectricElf | orchid: Oh pity - were? |
| 23:37.21 | orchid | well last month |
| 23:37.25 | ElectricElf | orchid: Oh, you mean magma? |
| 23:37.27 | RedRock | I saw some on an interim-website here..was just curiuous in lmaybe a student job |
| 23:37.30 | orchid | check their site |
| 23:37.36 | ElectricElf | Yeah, doing so. |
| 23:37.37 | orchid | ElectricElf: yeah |
| 23:37.49 | ElectricElf | orchid: Thought you meant one you worked at :) |
| 23:38.01 | ElectricElf | orchid: For Toronto? |
| 23:38.07 | ElectricElf | orchid: (Er, were they hiring for Toronto?) |
| 23:38.16 | orchid | ElectricElf: i think Ottawa |
| 23:38.19 | orchid | not sure |
| 23:38.36 | ElectricElf | I know their main offices are in Ottawa, don't even know if they've got any real offices here. |
| 23:38.43 | ElectricElf | Looking for something in TO though. |
| 23:39.26 | orchid | you wouldnt want an it job at my place |
| 23:39.36 | orchid | youd have me to deal with ;-) |
| 23:39.42 | Death_Barrel | cu guys |
| 23:39.47 | RedRock | bye bb |
| 23:39.48 | Death_Barrel | time for me to get on home :D |
| 23:39.53 | orchid | ncu |
| 23:39.54 | RedRock | lol |
| 23:40.16 | ElectricElf | orchid: Good grief :) |
| 23:40.57 | Patlabor221 | you could come work here, but you would have to beat our IT guy in trial by combat |
| 23:41.04 | Patlabor221 | as I think thats the only way to get a job here |
| 23:41.28 | RedRock | what is your job description if I may ask... |
| 23:41.53 | orchid | ElectricElf: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade yes? is that the best way? |
| 23:42.08 | ElectricElf | orchid: You using Sid? |
| 23:42.18 | orchid | woody right now, new install |
| 23:42.32 | orchid | i want to use sid though |
| 23:42.55 | ElectricElf | orchid: Going to Sid, yeah, that's what you want./ |
| 23:42.58 | ElectricElf | s/\/$// |
| 23:43.00 | RedRock | yeeh you're all busted..company check .. no chatting on work hours (I think so :)) |
| 23:43.22 | orchid | :) |
| 23:43.33 | RedRock | spiil out your names... |
| 23:43.35 | RedRock | :d |
| 23:43.44 | RedRock | yeeh you on computer c11 |
| 23:44.27 | RedRock | you're connection will be termintaed muhaaaa |
| 23:45.12 | Pimpinella | killing interupt handler aaiiiiiiiieeeee |
| 23:45.18 | RedRock | can you pls tell me the command for sdisconnecting you? |
| 23:45.31 | RedRock | PLS! |
| 23:46.04 | RedRock | I seem to need a higher valued pasword too? Hmm, you have one? |
| 23:46.19 | brlcad | time to go gyming, cya peoples |
| 23:46.26 | RedRock | have fun... |
| 23:46.51 | Pimpinella | no pity!! |
| 23:46.53 | RedRock | Instead of sayiong stuypid stuff here..I better could go sleeping, hmm.. |
| 23:47.19 | RedRock | aa gym.how long has it been that I did that.. |
| 23:47.51 | RedRock | does jogging count? |
| 23:48.20 | Pimpinella | c? why c? |
| 23:48.30 | *** part/#bzflag RedRock (~chatzilla@adsl-139-67.wanadoo.be) |
| 23:48.33 | *** join/#bzflag RedRock (~chatzilla@adsl-139-67.wanadoo.be) |
| 23:49.09 | RedRock | isn't ibot the autmated bot? |
| 23:49.26 | Pimpinella | i love strayers pages |
| 23:49.26 | RedRock | Can you ask it questions? It is a bot not? |
| 23:49.38 | Pimpinella | u can ask |
| 23:50.02 | RedRock | Hi ibot how it's going? Had any annoying questions lately? |
| 23:50.14 | RedRock | lol..(oh man I need some sleep :d) |
| 23:50.16 | JBdiGriz | start your line with ibot |
| 23:50.20 | JBdiGriz | ibot: hi |
| 23:50.20 | | niihau |
| 23:50.32 | RedRock | LOL |
| 23:50.39 | Pimpinella | ~botsmack |
| 23:50.40 | | sure, wanna snort some with me? |
| 23:50.49 | RedRock | ibot: what does niihau mean? |
| 23:50.51 | | RedRock: i don't know |
| 23:50.59 | JBdiGriz | chinese for hello |
| 23:51.12 | JBdiGriz | ibot: translate en ch hello |
| 23:51.13 | | JBdiGriz: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:51.20 | RedRock | ibot: JBDigriz know what it means |
| 23:51.22 | | RedRock: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:51.44 | JBdiGriz | ibot: translate en de hello |
| 23:52.02 | Pimpinella | ibot: where is montreal |
| 23:52.03 | | Pimpinella: what are you talking about? |
| 23:52.34 | RedRock | ibot:Montreal is a little town |
| 23:52.36 | | RedRock: okay |
| 23:52.36 | JBdiGriz | Guu: weather montreal, canada |
| 23:52.37 | Guu | JBdiGriz: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 23:52.42 | RedRock | lol |
| 23:53.02 | JBdiGriz | Guu: weather montreal, qu |
| 23:53.04 | Guu | JBdiGriz: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 23:53.07 | RedRock | ibot: No, ..Montreal is a big town |
| 23:53.08 | | okay, RedRock |
| 23:53.10 | JBdiGriz | Guu: weather montreal, quebec |
| 23:53.12 | Guu | JBdiGriz: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 23:53.24 | RedRock | finally a fluent conversation :) |
| 23:53.27 | JBdiGriz | she doesn't seem to know much about canada :) |
| 23:53.44 | RedRock | ibot: who is your "creator" |
| 23:53.47 | | I think you lost me on that one, RedRock |
| 23:53.58 | RedRock | ibot: where are you? |
| 23:53.59 | | [ibot] a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. eliza's boyfriend. Enemy of SCOBot |
| 23:54.20 | Pimpinella | Guu: weather Jever, germany |
| 23:54.21 | Guu | Pimpinella: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 23:54.37 | RedRock | ibot: do you like Belgium?Ever seen some pîctures of it? |
| 23:54.38 | | no idea, RedRock |
| 23:54.55 | Pimpinella | ibot: atomium |
| 23:54.56 | | Pimpinella: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:54.56 | RedRock | ibot: Belgium is a small country in Europe |
| 23:54.58 | | RedRock: okay |
| 23:55.10 | RedRock | ibot: indeed you have the Atomium in Brussels, in Belgium |
| 23:55.13 | | RedRock: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:55.34 | RedRock | ibot:yes, I have been there |
| 23:55.35 | | RedRock: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 23:55.37 | creeperz | ~creeperz |
| 23:55.39 | RedRock | people ibot is a bot right? |
| 23:55.46 | *** join/#bzflag GenRommel (~gene@24-168-159-42.nj.rr.com) |
| 23:55.46 | RedRock | you're not screwing me? |
| 23:55.49 | creeperz | ibot, what is creeperz |
| 23:55.50 | | creeperz: what are you talking about? |
| 23:56.05 | creeperz | you art stupid! |
| 23:56.11 | creeperz | :-) |
| 23:56.18 | Pimpinella | yes ibot is a bot |
| 23:56.18 | GenRommel | is bzflag domain still down? |
| 23:56.26 | Pimpinella | nseems so |
| 23:56.28 | RedRock | ibot: say: creeperz is creeperz |
| 23:56.29 | | RedRock: okay |
| 23:56.44 | GenRommel | any other games going on? |
| 23:56.52 | GenRommel | ctf-style |
| 23:56.59 | RedRock | can be |
| 23:57.03 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.06 | Pimpinella | many |
| 23:57.08 | RedRock | ibot: ctf games ? |
| 23:57.09 | | no idea, RedRock |
| 23:57.12 | JBdiGriz | Set an additional nameserver to ns1.tiphareth.net, and you can resolve bzflag.org |
| 23:57.13 | RedRock | hehe |
| 23:57.18 | RedRock | what's the use of this bot? |
| 23:57.23 | GenRommel | thanks jb |
| 23:57.39 | JBdiGriz | do a /msg ibot and you can have a private conversation with her. |
| 23:57.52 | RedRock | :) |
| 23:58.08 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 23:58.13 | RedRock | ibot: do you want a private conversation with me? |
| 23:58.15 | | RedRock: i don't know |
| 23:58.28 | RedRock | ibot: we can laugh some then.. |
| 23:58.30 | | i don't know, RedRock |
| 23:58.42 | RedRock | ibot: you're a tough one, aren't you? |
| 23:58.44 | | RedRock: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 23:58.54 | RedRock | ibot: ok I'll stop asking :d |
| 23:58.56 | | RedRock: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:59.15 | RedRock | ibot: Do you want me to talk more to you? |
| 23:59.16 | | RedRock: are you using Windows? |
| 23:59.25 | RedRock | ibot: no, linux |
| 23:59.26 | | RedRock: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 23:59.31 | Pimpinella | ~x de en Rotkohl |
| 23:59.32 | RedRock | lol |
| 23:59.55 | Pimpinella | ~x de en Kohl |
| 23:59.56 | RedRock | ibot: ,,, |
| 23:59.56 | | RedRock: are you using Windows? |
