| 00:01.23 | brlcad | heh 592 posts and ski's still a private first class :) |
| 00:02.21 | Patlabor221 | he's geing promoted as we type |
| 00:02.27 | Patlabor221 | he's up to Sarge now |
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| 00:02.50 | brlcad | hi flower |
| 00:03.03 | orchid | hello |
| 00:03.05 | Patlabor221 | he'll stop at captain |
| 00:03.07 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 00:03.11 | Patlabor221 | tho he is close to Major |
| 00:03.18 | Tupone | ciao orchidea |
| 00:03.34 | brlcad | hrm.. 241 is sarge, 592 is still sarge? |
| 00:03.41 | orchid | ciao Tupone |
| 00:03.42 | Patlabor221 | I am still adding htem |
| 00:03.48 | brlcad | ah, k |
| 00:03.50 | Patlabor221 | so it goes to to the hightest one |
| 00:03.56 | Patlabor221 | adding staff sarge now |
| 00:04.20 | Patlabor221 | I wrote up a chart with the limits |
| 00:04.22 | brlcad | So no more Omega code for devs now.. |
| 00:04.24 | Patlabor221 | so I'm just going down it |
| 00:04.28 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 00:04.37 | Patlabor221 | but there are 3 levels of devness now |
| 00:04.58 | Patlabor221 | it was funny |
| 00:05.13 | Patlabor221 | I just typed those in at random, didn't even shoot for 8, it's just what fit |
| 00:05.19 | brlcad | wow.. chikorita's gat a neat logo now |
| 00:05.40 | Patlabor221 | ahh red monica |
| 00:05.52 | Patlabor221 | joe mad is a good artist |
| 00:07.15 | Patlabor221 | should start to see some difrence in the people now |
| 00:07.23 | Patlabor221 | up to the 250 mark |
| 00:07.31 | brlcad | yep |
| 00:08.21 | Patlabor221 | now up to the oficer level |
| 00:08.49 | brlcad | occifer, I shwear I did not doo itt |
| 00:11.00 | Patlabor221 | Legolas outranks ski |
| 00:12.13 | brlcad | Merry's not far behind |
| 00:12.30 | Patlabor221 | I don't think anyone has over 1k posts do they? |
| 00:12.37 | brlcad | spiff did |
| 00:12.57 | brlcad | but he's disabled, of course |
| 00:13.02 | Patlabor221 | then that would have been Gen. Spiff |
| 00:13.22 | brlcad | well.. I'm glad I don't have to hear that |
| 00:13.38 | brlcad | :) |
| 00:15.03 | Patlabor221 | that should do it |
| 00:15.46 | brlcad | Is Dervish's three blue flags custom? |
| 00:15.56 | brlcad | he has 879 posts |
| 00:16.47 | brlcad | It'd be informative to have the insignia link back to a page that explains them all |
| 00:17.35 | brlcad | By the way pat... |
| 00:17.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah I have to do the customs now |
| 00:17.43 | creeperz | what ever happened to [Blitz]? |
| 00:18.11 | brlcad | Is "Master Chef" intentional or did you mean "Master Chief"? :) |
| 00:18.18 | brlcad | http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=1218 |
| 00:19.14 | brlcad | ~dict chef |
| 00:20.00 | Patlabor221 | ohh did I do that again |
| 00:20.29 | brlcad | likewise "Chef Technical Sergeant" |
| 00:20.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:20.39 | Patlabor221 | least I'm consitent |
| 00:20.51 | brlcad | :) |
| 00:21.40 | Patlabor221 | did it correct in the image names :) |
| 00:21.47 | brlcad | eep, time to go gyming |
| 00:22.14 | KR | Pat whats the uRL for Project 24? |
| 00:22.36 | Patlabor221 | http://p24.bakadigital.com |
| 00:22.45 | KR | ok |
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| 00:27.09 | Patlabor221 | and gives learner a proper one as well |
| 00:28.53 | Patlabor221 | well I figured these would be a bit more fun :) |
| 00:29.15 | JBdiGriz | No more developer guru's? I rather liked that one. |
| 00:29.34 | Patlabor221 | I made them tech seargants |
| 00:29.41 | Patlabor221 | I can keep them dev guru |
| 00:30.13 | JBdiGriz | That's quite a demotion, from guru t o sergeant. :) |
| 00:30.16 | Patlabor221 | there back |
| 00:30.32 | Patlabor221 | got any beter names for the other 2 levels of dev? |
| 00:31.11 | JBdiGriz | Most of the time I use wizard, I like the connotation of stirring pots in a dark cave and experimenting with arcane ideas. |
| 00:31.22 | Patlabor221 | how bout Dev Moneky, Dev Guru, Dev wizard. |
| 00:31.39 | Patlabor221 | or Dev Guru, Dev Wisard, Dev Arch-Litch |
| 00:32.07 | JBdiGriz | ~spelling litch |
| 00:32.33 | JBdiGriz | That ones not used often, and most people would wonder about it. |
| 00:32.41 | JBdiGriz | ~spell litch |
| 00:32.44 | | possible spellings for litch: litchi latch lurch Licha loch lit ch lit-ch larch Itch itch glitch lech Fitch Mitch aitch bitch ditch hitch pitch witch Leach leach leech Lucho |
| 00:32.44 | Patlabor221 | Arch-Magi ? |
| 00:33.02 | JBdiGriz | ~dict litch |
| 00:33.10 | JBdiGriz | ~dict leitch |
| 00:33.57 | JBdiGriz | Even ibot would get confused. Magi has the christmas connotation. I think monkey, guru, wizard actually looks fairly good. |
| 00:34.17 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 00:34.43 | JBdiGriz | That probably means I have to post a few more articles to get a decent title again though. :) |
| 00:34.58 | Patlabor221 | I think your set as a monkey |
| 00:35.07 | JBdiGriz | That's what I expected. |
| 00:35.18 | Patlabor221 | the devs are not based on post count |
| 00:35.34 | Patlabor221 | can't do multiple groups till phpbb 2.2 |
| 00:36.04 | Patlabor221 | there you are now a guru :) |
| 00:36.26 | JBdiGriz | oooooh, i get to sit on a mountain and contemplate my navel. :) |
| 00:36.35 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:36.37 | Patlabor221 | with chestal |
| 00:36.52 | JBdiGriz | i'll definitely contemplate my navel rather than his. |
| 00:37.34 | Patlabor221 | probably for the best that is. |
| 00:38.02 | JBdiGriz | yoda day this is now? |
| 00:38.15 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 00:38.23 | creeperz | mmm ramen |
| 00:38.23 | Patlabor221 | ok that should really do it |
| 00:38.26 | Patlabor221 | do they look ok? |
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| 00:39.45 | Patlabor221 | looks its PFC. tim :) |
| 00:40.08 | JBdiGriz | That looks good. |
| 00:42.55 | JBdiGriz | There was yet another Tim on ducati earlier. I had to chide people into treating him as a newcomer since they expected one of the other two. |
| 00:42.58 | Patlabor221 | I still think it keeps with the "tank" feel |
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| 00:51.59 | Patlabor221 | wow legolas is the top active poster that's not me |
| 00:53.50 | Patlabor221 | methinks I'll have to adjust the scale |
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| 00:54.44 | Patlabor221 | I caped it at 1500 instead of 3000 |
| 01:34.48 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Colour Blindness stopped working out of the window. Fixed |
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| 01:37.10 | KR | is there a command to silence all chatter when playing? |
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| 01:38.42 | KR | bzg - is there a command to silence all chatter when playing? |
| 01:38.48 | orchid | k* |
| 01:38.57 | KR | ok |
| 01:39.00 | orchid | i use it alot, works great |
| 01:39.17 | orchid | except freinds think your ignoring them, so i manully unsilence them |
| 01:39.20 | KR | I think I will do that too, and start playing aliased unless matching |
| 01:39.45 | KR | tired of that sort of bs |
| 01:39.45 | orchid | your letting asdf get to you |
| 01:39.51 | KR | screw him |
| 01:39.55 | KR | :) |
| 01:40.06 | orchid | i asked him privately just then why he was being an ass |
| 01:40.07 | KR | with all due respect, I have no respect for him |
| 01:40.15 | orchid | he said "kr started it" :) |
| 01:40.22 | KR | oh, I did? |
| 01:40.31 | KR | did I? |
| 01:40.39 | orchid | its like recess time in the playground |
| 01:40.46 | KR | its ridiculous |
| 01:41.08 | KR | and he got huh saying stuff too - too much... |
| 01:41.57 | orchid | its kind of childish but id just brush it off |
| 01:42.05 | orchid | (im a fine one to talk) ;-) |
| 01:42.11 | KR | lol |
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| 01:42.52 | KR | when you silence someone - do they know it? |
| 01:42.59 | orchid | no they dont |
| 01:43.08 | KR | ah - too bad :) |
| 01:43.08 | orchid | unless they issue a clientquery |
| 01:43.17 | orchid | then they could tell |
| 01:43.36 | KR | it would be a discreet way to send a "message" |
| 01:43.41 | orchid | hi Elf |
| 01:44.09 | KR | if when they talked to you they got a "You are silenced" or "I didn't hear that" reply |
| 01:44.11 | ElectricElf | Hey orchid |
| 01:44.29 | KR | BTW, where has CapN been? |
| 01:44.37 | KR | haven't seen him in weeks |
| 01:44.43 | orchid | hes not playing anympore |
| 01:44.51 | orchid | maybe untill after the new year |
| 01:44.53 | KR | awww no way! why is that? |
| 01:45.13 | orchid | i dunno |
| 01:45.13 | KR | bumer |
| 01:45.13 | KR | +m |
| 01:45.30 | KR | bzdiet? :) |
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| 03:14.25 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (TextureManager.cxx): Pacify learner, Move TextureManager to bzflag, to cleanup deps |
| 03:15.54 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32/VC6 (2 files): Pacify learner, Move TextureManager to bzflag, to cleanup deps |
| 03:16.17 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/ogl (TextureManager.cxx): Pacify learner, Move TextureManager to bzflag, to cleanup deps |
| 03:19.31 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src (2 files in 2 dirs): Pacify learner, Move TextureManager to bzflag, to cleanup deps |
| 03:20.54 | JBdiGriz | You can also blame me for those changes. Having the library depend on a function defined in the program seems counterintuitive. |
| 03:22.32 | MrApathyCream | well the plan was to move texture.cxx out of bzflag too |
| 03:22.37 | MrApathyCream | but, this works too |
| 03:23.08 | JBdiGriz | I tried that, but it depends on the file manipulation utilities. I was looking at splitting the file up based on what it does next. |
| 03:38.37 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): learner is loopy |
| 03:41.17 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (TODO): remaining bits |
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| 04:30.00 | MrApathyCream | anyone know how the noise texture works? |
| 04:30.09 | learner1 | hehe |
| 04:30.18 | captain_proton | i think it pregenerates 8 frames or so |
| 04:30.22 | learner | wrong way mac :) |
| 04:30.24 | MrApathyCream | it would appear that it has at least a few frames |
| 04:30.34 | MrApathyCream | but there is only one call to makeNoise |
| 04:30.48 | MrApathyCream | and only one texture |
| 04:31.04 | captain_proton | check how its actually drawn |
| 04:31.14 | captain_proton | it could generate one large noise texture and then draw slices out of it |
| 04:31.20 | MrApathyCream | ah maybe texture coords? |
| 04:31.26 | captain_proton | yup |
| 04:31.28 | MrApathyCream | allocated as 4 * 128 * 128 |
| 04:31.33 | MrApathyCream | so maybe 4 subtextures? |
| 04:31.42 | captain_proton | sounds likely |
| 04:31.46 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 04:32.24 | MrApathyCream | ah, no one else will use TextureManager but bzflag so.... |
| 04:32.52 | learner | not necessarily true.. just true right now |
| 04:33.11 | MrApathyCream | you thinking of another headful module besides bzflag? |
| 04:33.17 | learner | yep |
| 04:33.33 | MrApathyCream | well, then bzflag into several libs |
| 04:33.39 | learner | but then, perhaps ogl still wouldn't be it's home, it'd be the/a new game lib |
| 04:33.45 | learner | yea |
| 04:33.45 | MrApathyCream | right |
| 04:33.48 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 04:33.53 | MrApathyCream | great minds.... |
| 04:33.59 | learner | ... think alike |
| 04:34.18 | MrApathyCream | either that or the squirrel's are related |
| 04:34.25 | learner | lol! |
| 04:34.57 | MrApathyCream | i can't believe cvs doesn't hava a move command to keep history info |
| 04:35.29 | captain_proton | well - cvs is really old |
| 04:35.30 | captain_proton | and stuff |
| 04:35.42 | learner | the history isn't "lost", per se, but yea.. it still sucks |
| 04:35.55 | learner | directories are even worse |
| 04:35.56 | MrApathyCream | learner: it is if you delete it from one dir, and and add it to the next |
| 04:36.11 | learner | you can still do a log on the deleted file |
| 04:36.26 | learner | diff versions, etc |
| 04:36.44 | learner | you just have to use the old path/name instead of the new |
| 04:36.44 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: even if dirs aren't versioned, they could keep history |
| 04:37.17 | learner | MAC: if you have access to the repository itself, you can do it manually, but we don't on sf of course |
| 04:37.17 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: thus why i use subversion instead of cvs when i can |
| 04:38.18 | captain_proton | well - moving files around on the cvs server has an even bigger problem |
| 04:38.29 | learner | true.. |
| 04:38.31 | captain_proton | because while you keep the file's history, you lose something more important - its name |
| 04:38.39 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: svn: yup |
| 04:39.27 | learner | As long as the old tag on the deleted file points to the location of the new, and the new refers to where the old was, there really shouldn't be a problem |
| 04:40.00 | learner | since you can then at least see the entire history without revision query hunting |
| 04:40.50 | learner | but that requires paying a little more attention to what you write in the commit message log |
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| 04:45.43 | MrApathyCream | oh, yes, ok.. i see |
| 04:45.52 | learner | *snort* |
| 04:48.45 | MrApathyCream | hmmm can you say friend struct foo; ? |
| 04:49.39 | MrApathyCream | hmm apparently not |
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| 04:58.23 | MrApathyCream | its big jeff! |
| 04:58.32 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 04:58.43 | Patlabor221 | Dev Monkey MrApathyCream |
| 04:58.55 | Patlabor221 | how goes it? |
| 04:59.58 | Patlabor221 | ggahhh |
| 05:00.16 | Patlabor221 | ok I resend the gahh |
| 05:00.26 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:00.27 | Patlabor221 | or at least redirect it to his IRC client |
| 05:00.49 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add ability for proc textures |
| 05:01.04 | Patlabor221 | as in procedrual? |
| 05:01.13 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:01.14 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 05:01.21 | Patlabor221 | splain |
| 05:01.24 | MrApathyCream | just procedures to create bitmap textures |
| 05:01.41 | MrApathyCream | in this example the jamming noise |
| 05:01.43 | Patlabor221 | ohh like to make new ones in code and get |
| 05:01.45 | Patlabor221 | got it |
| 05:01.51 | Patlabor221 | that could be rather usefull |
| 05:01.55 | Patlabor221 | would need that for lightmaps |
| 05:03.17 | Patlabor221 | ohh most things you do are usefull in some way |
| 05:03.48 | Patlabor221 | I have never said they were not, I just sometimes question the order and reasons for doing them :) |
| 05:05.14 | Patlabor221 | cleaning up the texture system is a good thing, and it's definaly a thing that needs doing |
| 05:05.35 | Patlabor221 | your hooks will allow procedural textures |
| 05:05.47 | Patlabor221 | for nice clouds :) |
| 05:07.12 | Patlabor221 | did ya see the new rank icons on bzbb? |
| 05:07.22 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 05:07.25 | Patlabor221 | and do you want to be something other then a dev monkey? |
| 05:07.31 | MrApathyCream | thats fine |
| 05:07.40 | Patlabor221 | you could be a dev guru |
| 05:07.43 | Patlabor221 | or a dev wizard |
| 05:09.19 | learner | s/rd/ss/?? |
| 05:09.26 | Patlabor221 | cap is still the fist, tho there are some more captains now |
| 05:09.34 | captain_proton | not THE hat |
| 05:09.38 | captain_proton | just -a- hat :) |
| 05:09.50 | Patlabor221 | does it come with a cat? |
| 05:09.58 | captain_proton | 'fraid not |
| 05:10.18 | Patlabor221 | not in a house, not on a plane? |
| 05:10.25 | Patlabor221 | not even out in the rain? |
| 05:10.43 | captain_proton | sorry to disappoint |
| 05:12.02 | MrApathyCream | more wizard: just cause i'm an old decrepid guy |
| 05:12.18 | Patlabor221 | that and you know a lot more then a monkey |
| 05:14.16 | Patlabor221 | let me get signet and I shall change ya up :) |
| 05:15.52 | Patlabor221 | there we go, phenomial cosmic power, and the third stripe |
| 05:16.13 | MrApathyCream | nice icons |
| 05:16.42 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 05:16.54 | Patlabor221 | sucks makes me want to redo the logo now |
| 05:17.03 | Patlabor221 | as it looks bland compared to them |
| 05:19.07 | Patlabor221 | do settings on the client go into bzdb? |
| 05:19.13 | Patlabor221 | like texture queality and stuff? |
| 05:19.23 | JBdiGriz | one of these days, i will beat it into learner not to use absolute paths to files in the project. |
| 05:19.42 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): RadarRenderer now uses TextureManager |
| 05:19.43 | Patlabor221 | he did? |
| 05:19.43 | learner | i shwear I dudn't do it |
| 05:19.55 | JBdiGriz | texture.cxx, check it out |
| 05:20.09 | learner | xcode does it out from under me for some reason |
| 05:20.18 | JBdiGriz | yeah right, the computer did it. |
| 05:20.26 | learner | I always say group relative |
| 05:20.30 | Patlabor221 | computers only do what you tell them |
| 05:21.12 | learner | not exactly.. they do what they're told, but not necessarily what _I_ tell them :) |
| 05:21.25 | Patlabor221 | you installed X code |
| 05:21.33 | JBdiGriz | Build succeeded :) |
| 05:21.35 | Patlabor221 | so you told it to do what x code says :) |
| 05:21.45 | JBdiGriz | I still have to fix bzadmin |
| 05:22.06 | learner | I also often tell it to go to hell, and it never does.. specially windows |
| 05:22.45 | Patlabor221 | software dosn't do what you tell it, jsut hardware :) |
| 05:22.49 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: texture qual in bzbb, not as of now |
| 05:23.15 | Patlabor221 | it would be nice to have a single place ( not nesisaraly bzdb) were one coudl querry settings like that |
| 05:23.21 | JBdiGriz | dang, we need to fix the packaging too. "Can't continue without font: fixedbr" |
| 05:23.28 | MrApathyCream | patches welcome :) |
| 05:23.44 | JBdiGriz | Here patches, come here boy..... good patches. |
| 05:23.45 | Patlabor221 | I tried I didn't know where all the settings were |
| 05:24.01 | Patlabor221 | the seem all spread out |
| 05:25.02 | MrApathyCream | that they are |
| 05:25.53 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: any eta on the full version of ``shell'' ? =) |
| 05:26.01 | Patlabor221 | shell? |
| 05:26.07 | captain_proton | the whr title song |
| 05:26.17 | Patlabor221 | ohh I didn;'t get a chance to go to the store today |
| 05:26.29 | Patlabor221 | I'll be poping over tehre probably after work tomorow |
| 05:26.38 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 05:26.47 | Patlabor221 | it's a good soundtrack isn't it? |
| 05:27.00 | captain_proton | quite |
| 05:27.04 | captain_proton | now i just need more of the show |
| 05:27.10 | Patlabor221 | if I make enough statments, evenualy MAC implments them :) |
| 05:27.19 | Patlabor221 | I think I will be geting disk2 for the holidays |
| 05:27.48 | MrApathyCream | heh |
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| 05:28.30 | MrApathyCream | i attempt to get the code closer to what you want so that you will do some wildly cool stuff |
| 05:28.41 | Patlabor221 | that would make me more willing |
| 05:28.49 | captain_proton | i've been trying to track down older fansubs of it, but no luck so far |
| 05:28.59 | Patlabor221 | I own disk1 |
| 05:29.11 | Patlabor221 | it is just not here, and we have not watched it all |
| 05:29.48 | Patlabor221 | I have just seen 1 ans 2 |
| 05:32.05 | captain_proton | pybzengine has a very cute particle system |
| 05:32.07 | captain_proton | as does jetstream |
| 05:32.11 | captain_proton | as far as efficiency goes |
| 05:32.17 | Patlabor221 | FF11 has a really purdy one |
| 05:32.31 | captain_proton | i mean cute in the code sense ;) |
| 05:33.24 | Patlabor221 | and I mean purdy in a "DAMN that was cool" sense |
| 05:33.37 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): disallow anyone from deleting the tm's textures, or creating their own on heap: ctor elim tbd |
| 05:33.48 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: you will need to rework your vc7 projects (move TextureManager to bzflag proj |
| 05:33.50 | Patlabor221 | you can actualy see the heat waves from campfires :) |
| 05:33.54 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 05:34.17 | Patlabor221 | and man do they got some flair on the ground |
| 05:35.28 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: that's not done with particles is it? |
| 05:35.40 | Patlabor221 | the dust and stuff is |
| 05:35.45 | Patlabor221 | but the plants, no |
| 05:35.54 | captain_proton | i mean the heat waves |
| 05:36.00 | Patlabor221 | I don't know |
| 05:36.04 | Patlabor221 | it's probably shaders |
| 05:36.09 | Patlabor221 | but it works with the fire particles |
| 05:36.12 | Patlabor221 | it looks really good |
| 05:36.36 | Patlabor221 | masive atention to detail in the game |
| 05:36.54 | Patlabor221 | all the clothes made for my character are talored to allow for my tail |
| 05:37.03 | Patlabor221 | instead of just making it poke thru the model |
| 05:37.19 | captain_proton | :) |
| 05:37.56 | Patlabor221 | even like a tunic was cut so the hem of it had a slot for the tail to go in when I run |
| 05:38.21 | Patlabor221 | to my boobs seem to get smaller in some of the shirts |
| 05:40.01 | MrApathyCream | i hate when that happens |
| 05:40.30 | Patlabor221 | or maybe the other stuff is just padded |
| 05:40.31 | Patlabor221 | I dono |
| 05:40.37 | Patlabor221 | would have to ask Square-Enix |
| 05:41.00 | Patlabor221 | why would texturemanager not be in common? |
| 05:41.03 | Patlabor221 | or OGL? |
| 05:41.22 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: learner complained |
| 05:41.28 | MrApathyCream | the dependencies |
| 05:41.34 | Patlabor221 | so he can fix them |
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| 05:41.38 | MrApathyCream | it was originally in ogl |
| 05:41.48 | Patlabor221 | does it have any openGL code in it? |
| 05:41.57 | MrApathyCream | but learner stole my puppy, and said i had to move it |
| 05:42.07 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 05:42.17 | Patlabor221 | then it should go in common |
| 05:42.23 | Patlabor221 | as it's not client specific |
| 05:42.27 | Patlabor221 | any app could use it |
| 05:42.36 | MrApathyCream | currently the problem is that it relies on texture which is in bzflag |
| 05:42.36 | Patlabor221 | like ohh say a certan 'editor' |
| 05:42.44 | Patlabor221 | move texture then |
| 05:42.47 | MrApathyCream | one could move texture |
| 05:42.49 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:42.51 | Patlabor221 | or migrate that file into the manager |
| 05:43.03 | MrApathyCream | you are welcome to move it whereever you like |
| 05:43.18 | MrApathyCream | i stll have work to do, converting over the font textures |
| 05:43.32 | Patlabor221 | I would just like to get it to link |
| 05:43.41 | MrApathyCream | it doesn't link? |
| 05:44.02 | Patlabor221 | nope unresolved externals |
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| 05:44.24 | Patlabor2221 | bzflag error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "protected: __thiscall TextureManager::~TextureManager(void)" (??1TextureManager@@IAE@XZ) |
| 05:44.25 | MrApathyCream | like...? |
| 05:44.31 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:44.32 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 05:44.36 | Patlabor2221 | was geting to it |
| 05:44.47 | Patlabor2221 | IRC is on ryoko, compile is on mihoshi |
| 05:44.47 | MrApathyCream | that call should never be called |
| 05:44.53 | MrApathyCream | i think |
| 05:44.56 | MrApathyCream | but i'll add it |
| 05:45.10 | MrApathyCream | oh, maybe learners singleton stuff did that |
| 05:45.18 | Patlabor2221 | um how is it destroyed then? |
| 05:45.18 | MrApathyCream | operator='s to? |
| 05:45.35 | Patlabor2221 | bzflag error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "private: __thiscall TextureManager::TextureManager(void)" (??0TextureManager@@AAE@XZ) |
| 05:45.43 | Patlabor2221 | bzflag error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "public: class OpenGLTexture * __thiscall TextureManager::getTexture(enum TextureType)" (?getTexture@TextureManager@@QAEPAVOpenGLTexture@@W4TextureType@@@Z) |
| 05:45.51 | Patlabor2221 | bzflag error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: class OpenGLTexture * __thiscall TextureManager::getTexture(enum TextureType,int)" (?getTexture@TextureManager@@QAEPAVOpenGLTexture@@W4TextureType@@H@Z) referenced in function "public: __thiscall HUDuiControl::HUDuiControl(void)" (??0HUDuiControl@@QAE@XZ) |
| 05:45.54 | MrApathyCream | did you include TextureManager.cxx? |
| 05:45.55 | Patlabor2221 | that is it |
| 05:45.57 | Patlabor2221 | yes I did |
| 05:46.03 | Patlabor2221 | added it to the bzflag project |
| 05:46.07 | Patlabor2221 | header and inc |
| 05:46.08 | MrApathyCream | full build? |
| 05:46.13 | Patlabor2221 | yeah |
| 05:46.24 | Patlabor2221 | I'll rebuild to be sure |
| 05:46.28 | MrApathyCream | well ctor and getTexture are in .cxx |
| 05:46.36 | Patlabor2221 | I added the cxx |
| 05:47.42 | Patlabor2221 | doing a rebuild all now |
| 05:47.47 | Patlabor2221 | maybe I got a borked object |
| 05:49.31 | MrApathyCream | remove the TextureManager.o in ogl |
| 05:50.43 | Patlabor2221 | full build fixed it |
| 05:50.54 | MrApathyCream | w00t |
| 05:51.35 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/win32/VC71 (bzflag.vcproj): texturemanager.cxx into project |
| 05:52.22 | Patlabor221 | there ya go sparky |
| 05:52.57 | MrApathyCream | danka |
| 05:56.53 | MrApathyCream | 6 days and counting |
| 05:57.18 | Patlabor221 | and you'll be commiting up till the end? |
| 05:57.27 | MrApathyCream | ya |
| 05:57.37 | Patlabor221 | why not branch and stamp |
| 05:57.39 | MrApathyCream | of course we won't ship on 12/9 so it won't matter that much |
| 05:57.54 | Patlabor221 | and if any crit fixes need to go in they just get put in 2 places? |
| 05:58.23 | learner | you put them in the branch |
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| 05:58.42 | learner | it's usually rather trivial to merge a branches changes back into HEAD |
| 05:58.57 | Patlabor221 | at work we just do it in 2 places |
| 05:59.05 | learner | especially if the remerge is performed often |
| 05:59.22 | Patlabor221 | as by the time your at that point where you should not have many changes at all |
| 05:59.30 | Patlabor221 | and somone has allrady riped head a new one :) |
| 06:06.56 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221 == someone |
| 06:07.55 | Patlabor221 | well generaly that was the point of the branch so you could continue to work on head wile the release goes thru the motions |
| 06:10.13 | Patlabor221 | ???? tim hasn't been here in ages :) |
| 06:18.07 | learner | hehe.. I think he means me :) |
| 06:18.25 | learner | GoF patterns.. |
| 06:18.35 | Patlabor221 | ohh I count you as one of the core 4 |
| 06:18.43 | learner | ha |
| 06:18.56 | Patlabor221 | your one that commits |
| 06:19.07 | Patlabor221 | you MAC, tupone |
| 06:19.32 | Patlabor221 | and tim, the diehards |
| 06:19.44 | learner | heh |
| 06:19.56 | JBdiGriz | the Hardy boys? |
| 06:20.12 | learner | i guess that number conveniently comes to four as well.. |
| 06:20.27 | Patlabor221 | that was not his mention? |
| 06:20.36 | Patlabor221 | and why can't teuxtemanager be in common? |
| 06:21.21 | JBdiGriz | It depends on a routine which is currently defined in texture.cxx and built in BZFlag. |
| 06:21.55 | learner | I believe he was referring to the classic Gang of Four, that initially described most of the common patterns we've come to know and love |
| 06:21.56 | Patlabor221 | so move that too |
| 06:22.21 | JBdiGriz | It depends on some file manipulation routines which are defined elsewhere. |
| 06:22.25 | Patlabor221 | you see I never actualy finished college |
| 06:22.32 | Patlabor221 | so move them |
| 06:22.55 | learner | texture.cxx has dependancies on libcommon and libmediafile, which libglkit presently does not have |
| 06:23.17 | Patlabor221 | I know, I'm not saying put it in the GL lib |
| 06:23.24 | Patlabor221 | I'm saying put it in common |
| 06:23.24 | learner | texture.cxx would need to be decoupled (i.e. reworked/rewritten) to move it properly |
| 06:23.30 | JBdiGriz | I was looking into that. MrAC took it on himself to move things around tonight. I'm not the c++ expert around here, so it takes me a bit longer to catch on. |
| 06:23.50 | Patlabor221 | is that not what texutre manager is for, move the code into the texture manager proper |
| 06:23.53 | learner | hrm.. I don't think it "belongs" in common.. |
| 06:24.02 | learner | but perhaps |
| 06:24.08 | Patlabor221 | it has no GL calls |
| 06:24.22 | Patlabor221 | it is a common feature that any app can use |
| 06:24.44 | Patlabor221 | somone could implement another backend for openGLTexture later and still be good |
| 06:24.54 | learner | does TextureManager have ogl calls? |
| 06:25.00 | Patlabor221 | MAC says no |
| 06:25.11 | Patlabor221 | all the GL calls are done in the OpenGLTexture class |
| 06:25.18 | Patlabor221 | and that is in the OGL lib |
| 06:25.30 | learner | if neither call ogl, sure, they could be completely merged together and shoved into libcommon |
| 06:25.31 | Patlabor221 | it is a high level object manager |
| 06:25.49 | Patlabor221 | the OpenGLTextureClass does call GL |
| 06:25.52 | Patlabor221 | the manager does not |
| 06:26.04 | Patlabor221 | yes I concer one manager in common |
| 06:26.21 | Patlabor221 | it just hapens to use OGL for it's backend |
| 06:26.32 | JBdiGriz | That looks right browsing through the source. |
| 06:26.46 | Patlabor221 | this is how nice APIs are created :) |
| 06:26.51 | learner | jb, do you remember if libcommonnet is dependant on libglkit? |
| 06:27.14 | learner | if it's not, that would be an argument against shoving it in |
| 06:27.15 | Patlabor221 | then perhaps later some editor or other app can use the same texutre manager |
| 06:28.19 | JBdiGriz | I don't see a dependency in xcode |
| 06:28.48 | Patlabor221 | or perhaps a new lib |
| 06:28.50 | Patlabor221 | "engine" |
| 06:29.04 | Patlabor221 | and we can start moving the high level drawing code in there |
| 06:29.06 | learner | yea, I agreed with mac that the new libgame would be a good home |
| 06:29.15 | Patlabor221 | game is a bad name |
| 06:29.18 | learner | i know |
| 06:29.20 | Patlabor221 | in implys game logic |
| 06:29.25 | Patlabor221 | libEngine |
| 06:29.38 | Patlabor221 | then like the window setup can go in there |
| 06:29.44 | JBdiGriz | learner: Can you build a working client currently? |
| 06:29.44 | Patlabor221 | the high level world stuff |
| 06:29.50 | learner | jb: haven't tried |
| 06:29.57 | Patlabor221 | a particle system ( when we have one ) |
| 06:29.59 | Patlabor221 | and the like |
| 06:30.46 | JBdiGriz | I'm having a problem with finding the data directory. The package appears to be built correctly. I didn't think that source had changed, but I'll go looking for it. |
| 06:30.48 | learner | only thing I don't like about engine is that it could be a logic engine class, a graphics engine class, or some confabulated mix of both (which would be bad, but would be more likely) |
| 06:31.03 | Patlabor221 | then lib3dEngine |
| 06:31.05 | learner | perhaps libGameLogic of libGameEngine |
| 06:31.16 | Patlabor221 | it really has nothing to do with the game tho |
| 06:31.19 | learner | and libGraphicsEngine |
| 06:31.20 | Patlabor221 | it could be used by an editor |
| 06:31.24 | Patlabor221 | that would work |
| 06:31.33 | Patlabor221 | or just libBZEngine |
| 06:31.43 | Patlabor221 | I dono |
| 06:31.49 | Patlabor221 | but I think we are on the same page |
| 06:32.07 | Patlabor221 | one place to put common graphics related things |
| 06:32.15 | Patlabor221 | like the base scene stuff |
| 06:32.27 | Patlabor221 | but not the derived versions for the real objects |
| 06:32.33 | Patlabor221 | as those are specific to the bz game |
| 06:32.36 | learner | I'm wanting an api for completely hud/graphics-less clients for the bzbots |
| 06:32.53 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 06:33.04 | Patlabor221 | but that does not mean all graphics stuff has to go in just one lib |
| 06:33.07 | learner | as well the ability to separate out the rendering engine |
| 06:33.24 | Patlabor221 | it makes sense to split up the rendering engine into generic and game specific parts |
| 06:33.37 | learner | since I'll undoubtedly want to eventually observe the little suckers |
| 06:33.51 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 06:34.13 | Patlabor221 | the core game engine should just have a "world" and just call a function to "figure it out and draw it" |
| 06:34.23 | Patlabor221 | if it's headless, you just don't call that |
| 06:34.32 | learner | agreed |
| 06:34.45 | Patlabor221 | but that world can be based on some generic world |
| 06:34.56 | Patlabor221 | then another lib that registers the bzflag specific objects |
| 06:35.04 | Patlabor221 | asuming there are still objects |
| 06:35.26 | Patlabor221 | if the world was changed to some generic definition then you would not need that |
| 06:35.35 | Patlabor221 | like a queake map |
| 06:35.55 | learner | it would be generic for what I have planned, but I'm sure others have different goals |
| 06:35.58 | Patlabor221 | all game specific logic can happen in the game part, as the rendering engine is robust engouh to handle all things in the world |
| 06:36.20 | Patlabor221 | would the base world define a "pyramid" or any other primitive? |
| 06:36.33 | learner | no |
| 06:36.41 | Patlabor221 | then that is what I think of as well |
| 06:36.55 | Patlabor221 | the base world part just knows it has a list of "things" |
| 06:37.09 | Patlabor221 | and it managers them and tells them to draw or do what ever |
| 06:37.18 | learner | yeep |
| 06:37.35 | Patlabor221 | still object based, but generic enough |
| 06:37.36 | learner | that's so far down the road from now, though.. |
| 06:37.58 | learner | I'll have to rip bzfs a new one before then |
| 06:38.07 | Patlabor221 | well if MAC keeps a chuginn, maybe not :) |
| 06:38.12 | learner | heh |
| 06:38.15 | Patlabor221 | have to give it a world state |
| 06:38.24 | Patlabor221 | well you would not if you didn't care for it to have one |
| 06:38.41 | Patlabor221 | you coudl do all the splits in the game then give the server a state when it's all split |
| 06:38.58 | learner | yes, and a logging mechanism and a better command handler |
| 06:39.01 | Patlabor221 | or you could just move it all into a SGM/CGM combo :) |
| 06:39.13 | learner | and a revamped network layer too |
| 06:39.42 | learner | SGM? |
| 06:39.53 | Patlabor221 | ServerGameModule |
| 06:39.58 | learner | ah :) |
| 06:40.08 | Patlabor221 | the serverside part of the game |
| 06:40.14 | Patlabor221 | thats loaded at run time |
| 06:40.18 | Patlabor221 | each room has one |
| 06:44.57 | Patlabor221 | the SGM and the CGM can use the same world object, jus the SGM never sends it to a renderer |
| 06:45.18 | learner | after perusing the linux documentation project again today after last having visited years ago, i was encouraged by the idea of setting up a web editable docbook-based document management system |
| 06:46.35 | Patlabor221 | que es estos? |
| 06:46.38 | learner | they've made great progress, at one point they were even using a wiki to generate docbook documents |
| 06:47.25 | learner | basically you write up documentation in the docbook xml format, and you can then "render" the document into text, man pages, pdf, web, sgml, etc |
| 06:47.35 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 06:47.42 | Patlabor221 | I've seen stuff like that |
| 06:48.16 | learner | i set up a system for the dept of ed a few years ago that did this, and the linux doc project was just getting started, docbook was in it's infancy |
| 06:48.53 | learner | docbook is now pretty much the defacto xml documentation format, and the tools are slowly maturing |
| 06:49.43 | learner | it's gone from bleeding edge, to cutting edge, and now it's approaching just the "leading edge" .. |
| 06:51.10 | learner | having all the linux monkies work on the sgml, dsssl, and xml tools has made it almost work out of the box now |
| 06:51.41 | learner | I found a bunch of tutorials on tldp site and noticed how much more simple the process to do a basic conversion now takes |
| 06:52.00 | Patlabor221 | that is a lot of acronyms |
| 06:52.13 | learner | even installing and setting up the tools is now simplified, it seems (it was like customizing the linux kernel at first) |
| 06:52.19 | MrApathyCream | learner is the fifth - Gamma, Helm, Johnson, Vlissides, learner |
| 06:52.24 | Patlabor221 | it's so cool to have edit text boxes :) |
| 06:52.27 | learner | haha |
| 06:56.31 | learner | welp. time to shleep |
| 06:57.11 | MrApathyCream | your not going to sleep |
| 06:57.13 | MrApathyCream | we know better |
| 06:57.46 | Patlabor221 | I think he meant sheep |
| 06:57.58 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 06:58.13 | learner | pff |
| 06:58.22 | MrApathyCream | see! |
| 07:01.00 | MrApathyCream | hmmm the mountain texture will be more difficult to shoehorn in |
| 07:01.37 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 07:01.53 | learner | which? |
| 07:03.23 | learner | you referring to that mountain thing I was poking at last night, mac? |
| 07:03.41 | learner | I was just toying.. the libs need more work |
| 07:03.52 | Patlabor221 | skybox it!!!! :) |
| 07:04.05 | learner | OH.. never mind.. I think you mean integration into the TextureManager |
| 07:04.16 | learner | I'm slown down.. it's late |
| 07:04.19 | learner | and I'm sore |
| 07:05.12 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 07:05.24 | MrApathyCream | there's alot of stuff it does that i don't understand |
| 07:18.29 | Patlabor221 | how many horsies are there? |
| 07:21.18 | MrApathyCream | 8 |
| 07:21.42 | Patlabor221 | I used to be scared of horses |
| 07:21.56 | Patlabor221 | I thought the hated us for riding them, and they would bite my hand off |
| 07:22.06 | MrApathyCream | some will! |
| 07:22.10 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 07:22.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah I know |
| 07:22.36 | MrApathyCream | fear is a good fall back plan |
| 07:22.36 | Patlabor221 | but I have meet a number that didn't |
| 07:22.42 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 07:22.48 | Patlabor221 | so I know if I don't piss them off they won't bite me |
| 07:22.56 | Patlabor221 | specialy if I have food for them |
| 07:23.03 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:23.24 | Patlabor221 | apples seemd to work wonders for the ones I meet |
| 07:23.37 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:23.40 | MrApathyCream | and carrots |
| 07:23.51 | MrApathyCream | and peppermints |
| 07:24.17 | Patlabor221 | can't say I ever had the chance to use ether of those |
| 07:24.30 | Patlabor221 | only saw some cus my ex used to ride |
| 07:24.39 | Patlabor221 | and she would wear those pants |
| 07:24.44 | Patlabor221 | those are good pants |
| 07:24.45 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:24.49 | Patlabor221 | very very good pants |
| 07:26.37 | Patlabor221 | are yours just for hanging around or are they race/jump/show horses? |
| 07:28.49 | MrApathyCream | show horses, well we breed show horses |
| 07:28.57 | MrApathyCream | mostly |
| 07:29.27 | MrApathyCream | 2 are babies |
| 07:29.38 | Patlabor221 | fun |
| 07:29.45 | Patlabor221 | so they just run around, eat and poo? |
| 07:30.03 | MrApathyCream | pretty much |
| 07:30.09 | MrApathyCream | like me |
| 07:30.18 | Patlabor221 | they can code? |
| 07:30.19 | MrApathyCream | altho i don't do much running |
| 07:30.37 | MrApathyCream | only vb |
| 07:30.42 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 07:30.49 | Patlabor221 | they haven't got up to C# yet? |
| 07:31.26 | MrApathyCream | i keep telling them if they want to C#, they need to eat alot more carrots |
| 07:32.46 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 07:32.56 | Patlabor221 | well lets see if I can derive off an edit text |
| 07:33.53 | Patlabor221 | whoot, 1 password edit text :) |
| 07:34.15 | Patlabor221 | did ya hear, tupone got P24 to compile ( for the most part ) on linux |
| 07:34.23 | Patlabor221 | sorry trepan |
| 07:34.26 | Patlabor221 | not tupone |
| 07:35.04 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 07:38.12 | Patlabor221 | I may just have to burn it on a CD and send it to you |
| 07:38.23 | Patlabor221 | as the data dir is a bit large for dialup |
| 07:39.32 | MrApathyCream | that would be good |
| 07:40.15 | Patlabor221 | we are also trying to get ssh keys set on the machine |
| 07:40.22 | Patlabor221 | so maybe that will help your CVS issues |
| 07:40.38 | MrApathyCream | perhaps |
| 07:41.28 | Patlabor221 | one more menu then I'm done with them for a while, and can make the thing actualy connect to a game server |
| 07:44.02 | MrApathyCream | coo |
| 07:49.21 | Patlabor221 | well I must get as well, have a good evening |
| 07:50.41 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
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| 08:56.55 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (ServerListCache.cxx): Use all eight (or more) characters in the protocol version in the server cache filename so we don't cache e.g. 1909 and 1910 servers in the same file |
| 09:09.21 | Pimpinella | hö |
| 09:10.15 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 09:12.15 | Pimpinella | ne, jetzt sind die ducati-server zur Abwechslung mal ganz weg... |
| 09:28.09 | larsl | ~translate de en Abwechslung |
| 09:28.38 | larsl | ~towers |
| 09:29.11 | bomber | ~d |
| 09:33.31 | Pimpinella | larsl: ducati is down, thats what i said ;) |
| 09:33.43 | larsl | =) |
| 09:33.44 | larsl | =( |
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| 09:52.45 | strayer | good morning... |
| 10:14.39 | bomber | hey strayer |
| 10:21.17 | strayer | bomber: :o) |
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| 12:09.48 | rooter | KR... free for a match |
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| 15:10.24 | Death_Barrel | hey guys |
| 15:10.40 | Death_Barrel | wow, i really like the new avitar rankings for the bzbb site |
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| 17:01.15 | david_v | hey [dmp] :) |
| 17:01.28 | [dmp] | hey david_v |
| 17:07.51 | [dmp] | so how is sweden? :) |
| 17:08.31 | david_v | other than cold, you mean? :) |
| 17:08.46 | david_v | other than boring? other than dark? other than Swedish? :) |
| 17:08.54 | david_v | i guess not much :) |
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| 17:12.54 | [dmp] | sounds:) |
| 17:12.56 | [dmp] | damn |
| 17:13.01 | [dmp] | -sounds |
| 17:13.16 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:13.29 | [dmp] | -sound = mute? :) |
| 17:14.43 | david_v | in some programs maybe. i prefer -<param>=<value> :) |
| 17:16.31 | [dmp] | -sound=yes ? |
| 17:17.30 | david_v | or -sound=no for mute :) |
| 17:18.13 | Patlabor221 | anyone here on windows? |
| 17:18.24 | learner | blasphemy! |
| 17:19.02 | Patlabor221 | I just need to see if IE shows an image as crap |
| 17:19.09 | Patlabor221 | seems my IE got a png fix |
| 17:19.32 | Patlabor221 | and I normaly use firebird |
| 17:21.06 | Patlabor221 | hmmm I can just run the IE at my house |
| 17:21.17 | learner | I have IE |
| 17:21.32 | learner | albeit IE for Mac, which is a diff engine |
| 17:21.54 | Patlabor221 | well can you try to go to one of my posts and see if my rank icon is trans? |
| 17:22.35 | Patlabor221 | looks like IE will do 8 bit transperant PNGs just not 24 bit ones |
| 17:22.44 | learner | which icon? |
| 17:22.54 | Patlabor221 | mine |
| 17:23.08 | Patlabor221 | I just did the 5 star as a test |
| 17:23.10 | learner | in your footer, or your avatar? |
| 17:23.17 | learner | ah, rank |
| 17:23.48 | Patlabor221 | yeah rank |
| 17:24.38 | learner | looks okay to me |
| 17:24.43 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 17:24.45 | Nidhoggr | hey, no fair. I'm site admin and still show up as PFC :) |
| 17:24.53 | Patlabor221 | you do? |
| 17:24.56 | Nidhoggr | yup |
| 17:25.19 | Patlabor221 | you do? |
| 17:25.38 | Nidhoggr | thanks :) |
| 17:25.46 | Patlabor221 | do you want any other name? |
| 17:26.02 | Nidhoggr | what would be cool? |
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| 17:26.19 | Patlabor221 | Bandwith Pimp |
| 17:26.23 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 17:26.24 | Death_Barrel | hey pat :D |
| 17:26.27 | Death_Barrel | ni nid |
| 17:26.28 | Nidhoggr | that sounds fun :) |
| 17:26.29 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 17:26.38 | Death_Barrel | **hi nid |
| 17:26.38 | Nidhoggr | bandwidth |
| 17:26.45 | Nidhoggr | don't forget the d |
| 17:26.46 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:26.52 | Nidhoggr | ~spell bandwidth |
| 17:26.54 | | 'bandwidth' may be spelled correctly |
| 17:27.06 | Nidhoggr | hi death_barrel |
| 17:27.24 | Death_Barrel | i like the new ranking *.pngs |
| 17:27.30 | Patlabor221 | done |
| 17:27.31 | Death_Barrel | on the bzbb site |
| 17:27.31 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 17:27.37 | Death_Barrel | very coo |
| 17:27.38 | Death_Barrel | l |
| 17:27.42 | Patlabor221 | I'm fixing them so they don't loook like ass on IE |
| 17:27.53 | Death_Barrel | and it makes me feel like i have power now :D |
| 17:28.19 | Death_Barrel | i can tell all the privates to stand at Perade Rest and to do pushups and stuff ;D |
| 17:28.24 | Patlabor221 | still you must all listen to Col. Legolas |
| 17:28.32 | Patlabor221 | and soon to be Gen. Legolas |
| 17:28.34 | Death_Barrel | they look fine when i use IE with them |
| 17:28.46 | Patlabor221 | do they have an odd bacground color? |
| 17:28.58 | Death_Barrel | hmmm, let me check |
| 17:29.05 | Patlabor221 | like that is not the same as the site background? |
| 17:29.08 | Death_Barrel | i use mozilla, but not for bzbb site |
| 17:29.20 | Death_Barrel | my proxy has touble updating it with mozilla for some reason |
| 17:29.21 | Patlabor221 | I use firebird for as much as I can |
| 17:29.24 | Death_Barrel | one sec i will look |
| 17:29.48 | Death_Barrel | brown bg color |
| 17:29.57 | Death_Barrel | not supposed to have that>? |
| 17:30.01 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 17:30.07 | Patlabor221 | look at one of my posts now |
| 17:30.13 | Patlabor221 | is my bg color any difrent? |
| 17:30.16 | Death_Barrel | ah, it looks more military with the brown :D |
| 17:30.41 | Death_Barrel | still brown |
| 17:30.50 | Patlabor221 | what old ass version of IE you using? |
| 17:31.20 | Death_Barrel | ah ok i see what you mean, no seems to be transparent with mozilla |
| 17:31.27 | Death_Barrel | i am using IE 6 |
| 17:31.36 | Death_Barrel | let me do a refresh |
| 17:31.59 | Patlabor221 | you have quicktime installed? |
| 17:31.59 | Death_Barrel | ok it is working now |
| 17:32.01 | [dmp] | is the listserver down? |
| 17:32.04 | Patlabor221 | it seems to install a proper png reader |
| 17:32.05 | Death_Barrel | i just had to refresh it |
| 17:32.16 | Patlabor221 | well IE should show the other ones as trans |
| 17:32.18 | Death_Barrel | yes i have quicktime installed |
| 17:32.23 | Patlabor221 | the latest? |
| 17:32.27 | Death_Barrel | yes |
| 17:32.31 | Patlabor221 | what OS? |
| 17:32.31 | [dmp] | ..or ducati? |
| 17:32.33 | Death_Barrel | just installed it 2 days ago |
| 17:32.38 | Death_Barrel | win2k pro |
| 17:32.47 | Patlabor221 | ahh maybe it's an XP thing then |
| 17:33.06 | Death_Barrel | well, the brown is gone on your ranking now |
| 17:33.12 | Death_Barrel | i had to refresh it |
| 17:33.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah I changed mine to 8 bit |
| 17:33.29 | Patlabor221 | working on the others now |
| 17:33.46 | Death_Barrel | cool |
| 17:33.58 | Death_Barrel | you should give them a camo bg |
| 17:33.59 | Patlabor221 | there that sould get more of them |
| 17:34.00 | Death_Barrel | hehe |
| 17:34.05 | Patlabor221 | what cammo? |
| 17:34.11 | Death_Barrel | cammoflauge |
| 17:34.15 | Patlabor221 | green/brown dosn't really go with the site |
| 17:34.19 | Death_Barrel | hehe |
| 17:34.22 | Death_Barrel | i was kidding |
| 17:34.23 | Patlabor221 | umm there are MANY types of cammo |
| 17:34.31 | Patlabor221 | forest is just one |
| 17:34.32 | Death_Barrel | yes, make your own |
| 17:34.41 | Death_Barrel | i think gimp does cammo in the script fu |
| 17:35.00 | Patlabor221 | dono, don't use gimp |
| 17:35.04 | Patlabor221 | it blows |
| 17:35.27 | Patlabor221 | I like my apps to run for more then 5 min |
| 17:35.48 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:35.55 | Death_Barrel | yeah you got most of em |
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| 17:36.15 | Death_Barrel | sgt major and gunnery sergeant and a few others still are brown |
| 17:36.28 | Patlabor221 | I am doing the enlisted now |
| 17:36.39 | Death_Barrel | NCO |
| 17:37.03 | Death_Barrel | pat: r u in USA? |
| 17:37.08 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:37.12 | Nidhoggr | hrm I need a peep avatar. |
| 17:37.20 | Death_Barrel | have you heard any of the bud light commercials? |
| 17:37.29 | Patlabor221 | not that I can say |
| 17:37.56 | Death_Barrel | Real American Genius "today we salute you, mister major highway line painter" |
| 17:38.00 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:38.22 | Death_Barrel | Real American Genius "today we salute you, mister pro wrestling wardrobe designer" |
| 17:38.24 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah those are old |
| 17:38.28 | Death_Barrel | hehe |
| 17:38.30 | Death_Barrel | funny |
| 17:38.31 | Death_Barrel | i laugh |
| 17:38.45 | Patlabor221 | "mr. coffie house pourer guy" |
| 17:38.51 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:38.54 | Death_Barrel | have not heard that one |
| 17:38.55 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:39.29 | Death_Barrel | mister topay wearer |
| 17:39.35 | Death_Barrel | ~spell topay |
| 17:39.38 | | possible spellings for topay: Topsy to pay to-pay top tippy dopa topaz Tokay copay today dopey toper tap tipsy topiary tip tops tape toady pay toy soapy Twp repay twp |
| 17:41.08 | Patlabor221 | there thats all of them |
| 17:43.00 | Patlabor221 | ahh the trans background on your avatar makes it somewhat less disturbing :) |
| 17:43.17 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:43.23 | Death_Barrel | i made him |
| 17:43.32 | Death_Barrel | did i give you that link? |
| 17:43.34 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 17:43.49 | Death_Barrel | http://www.budlight.com/ |
| 17:43.58 | Death_Barrel | they have some funny stuff |
| 17:44.17 | Patlabor221 | no thanks, it's such a crapy beer I don't want them to think that there ads are working |
| 17:44.52 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:44.54 | Death_Barrel | i agree |
| 17:44.59 | Death_Barrel | watered down |
| 17:45.08 | Death_Barrel | i like the german beer much better :D |
| 17:45.31 | Patlabor221 | all beer is better then bud |
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| 17:46.18 | Patlabor221 | why is it that you drop all the time? |
| 17:46.39 | Death_Barrel | what? |
| 17:47.36 | Patlabor221 | you discconect and connect like every 20 min |
| 17:47.40 | Death_Barrel | ah |
| 17:47.41 | Death_Barrel | proxy |
| 17:47.47 | Patlabor221 | you shoudl fix that |
| 17:47.48 | Death_Barrel | kicks me every 15min |
| 17:47.53 | Death_Barrel | srry about that |
| 17:47.58 | Death_Barrel | i am sure it is anoying |
| 17:48.20 | Death_Barrel | mister fancy coffe shop coffee pourer |
| 17:48.21 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:48.24 | Death_Barrel | i just heard it |
| 17:48.45 | Death_Barrel | mr, giant taco salad inventer |
| 17:49.20 | Patlabor221 | *sigh* now I'm gonna have to redo the logo, as it looks kinda bland |
| 17:50.46 | Patlabor221 | Nidhoggr, what is the machine name that bzbb is on now? |
| 17:50.53 | Patlabor221 | I'm gonna take the baka outa the logo |
| 17:51.36 | Death_Barrel | mr, hollywood plastic surgeon |
| 17:51.37 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:51.49 | Death_Barrel | mr. tiny thong bikni wearer |
| 17:52.03 | Death_Barrel | mr. beach metal dector guy |
| 17:53.18 | Death_Barrel | bbl |
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| 18:03.30 | Nidhoggr | hiya tim |
| 18:04.24 | Nidhoggr | pat: logos.tiphareth.net |
| 18:06.16 | Patlabor221 | is it not also bzbb.dragon.org? |
| 18:06.39 | Nidhoggr | well, that's a virtual host on logos. |
| 18:06.45 | Nidhoggr | as is bzflag.secretplace.us |
| 18:06.55 | learner | hey pat.. you ever play super mario 3? |
| 18:06.56 | Patlabor221 | I put that there instead of bzbb.bakadigital.com |
| 18:07.01 | Nidhoggr | bzbb.dragon.org works, though. |
| 18:07.02 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
| 18:07.03 | Patlabor221 | just so I can know what server I'm on :) |
| 18:07.14 | Patlabor221 | learner, back in the day yes |
| 18:07.55 | Nidhoggr | where is that at, pat? |
| 18:08.03 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/SMB3_in_11_minutes.wmv |
| 18:10.47 | Patlabor221 | tanking forever to connect |
| 18:11.19 | Patlabor221 | and how is that for a logo at the top of the forums? |
| 18:11.40 | Nidhoggr | NICE! |
| 18:11.55 | Patlabor221 | I'd really like to move it over to the left |
| 18:11.59 | Patlabor221 | but that would take code |
| 18:12.07 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:12.13 | Patlabor221 | need to rethink the entire header |
| 18:12.24 | Nidhoggr | a change might be nice. |
| 18:12.55 | Patlabor221 | perhaps something with out the shots and a single tank, like the P24 one |
| 18:13.25 | learner | pat, it's 18mb, so it's probably downloading |
| 18:13.37 | Patlabor221 | they did it in 11 min? |
| 18:13.38 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 18:13.48 | learner | it's amazing to watch |
| 18:14.34 | Patlabor221 | sadly the bz tank does NOT look so good close up |
| 18:25.21 | Chestal | waaah, I want my galeon to start workign again |
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| 18:27.03 | learner | howdy tupone :) |
| 18:29.41 | Tupone | heja |
| 18:30.37 | Tupone | I found that CB things! |
| 18:31.12 | learner | i saw, coolie |
| 18:31.38 | Tupone | whenever we fix a bug, another is coming :) Just mutation |
| 18:31.59 | learner | yes, heh |
| 18:33.21 | Tupone | I think its time to use wiki to put new things to do on the 1.11 |
| 18:34.00 | learner | tupone, you like groove armada? |
| 18:34.12 | Tupone | what is that ? |
| 18:34.16 | learner | http://68.33.165.229/Unknown%20Artist/Unknown%20Album/Groove%20Armada%20-%20At%20the%20River.mp3 |
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| 18:35.36 | Death_Barrel | patlabor? |
| 18:35.39 | Death_Barrel | u still here? |
| 18:36.17 | Death_Barrel | what is the link to the page that shows the #of posts required for each ranking? |
| 18:36.29 | learner | second forum sticky |
| 18:36.40 | Death_Barrel | where at bzbb? |
| 18:36.43 | learner | yea |
| 18:36.48 | Death_Barrel | ok i will look :D |
| 18:36.49 | Death_Barrel | thx |
| 18:39.19 | Death_Barrel | learner: under which post? |
| 18:43.25 | learner | it should be the first post in the second section (general discussion or something) |
| 18:44.42 | learner | http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=1218 |
| 18:45.01 | Death_Barrel | ok thx again :D |
| 18:45.14 | Death_Barrel | not that |
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| 18:45.39 | Death_Barrel | i need the one that says how many posts it takes to get to the next ranking |
| 18:45.45 | Death_Barrel | on a different site i think |
| 18:45.57 | learner | oh |
| 18:46.03 | learner | never mind then :) |
| 18:46.53 | Death_Barrel | ok here it is i found it :D |
| 18:46.54 | Death_Barrel | http://p24.bakadigital.com/p24bb/viewtopic.php?t=6 |
| 18:48.07 | Death_Barrel | bbl |
| 19:01.04 | Patlabor221 | I am here, was puting up the dev/tree |
| 19:02.34 | Patlabor221 | there is no page that shows the list that you canget too |
| 19:02.41 | Patlabor221 | ohh he left |
| 19:02.52 | Patlabor221 | well the p24 limits are difrent |
| 19:02.56 | Patlabor221 | then the bzbb limits |
| 19:02.58 | learner | hehe |
| 19:04.19 | Patlabor221 | so I hope he dosn't try to shoot for 5k :) |
| 19:04.45 | learner | dunno, once he saw the list, he dashed off like he was in a hurrty to get some posts up :) |
| 19:05.02 | learner | might turn into a spiff before long after all |
| 19:05.04 | Patlabor221 | it's ok, they are easy to remove :) |
| 19:05.11 | learner | :) |
| 19:07.49 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-96-102.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 19:08.10 | Patlabor221 | I also monkeyfied tupone there |
| 19:10.09 | learner | tupone doesn't have a bzbb accounT? |
| 19:11.02 | Patlabor221 | he does |
| 19:11.09 | Patlabor221 | I made him dev monkey |
| 19:11.37 | learner | search for author of c3po or tupone come up empty, what's his handle? |
| 19:13.02 | Patlabor221 | Tupone |
| 19:13.07 | Patlabor221 | I don't know if he has acualy posted |
| 19:13.11 | Patlabor221 | but he has an account |
| 19:14.00 | learner | grr.. not an easy way to get to a user's profile page.. |
| 19:14.12 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 19:14.36 | Patlabor221 | that is one thing I hope they change with phpbb2.2 |
| 19:14.49 | Patlabor221 | or do recent |
| 19:14.52 | learner | yep.. zero posts |
| 19:14.55 | Patlabor221 | he joined just a bit a go |
| 19:15.04 | learner | uid 369 |
| 19:15.50 | Patlabor221 | i go now |
| 19:15.56 | learner | interesting if you sort by top posters.. |
| 19:20.06 | david_v | heh |
| 19:27.57 | learner | captain_proton: =) |
| 19:28.24 | learner | "Rawr" :) |
| 19:45.31 | corndawg | mornin all |
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| 19:56.04 | david_v | hm Ducati is down? |
| 19:56.20 | david_v | i can't reach it anyway |
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| 19:58.26 | david_v | hi Tim |
| 19:58.53 | corndawg | hey all |
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| 20:07.56 | strayer | hiho |
| 20:15.34 | Pimpinella | somebody knows Rufis icq? |
| 20:16.08 | strayer | Pimpinella: U had looked 4 it on the forum's site? |
| 20:16.30 | Pimpinella | no, goos idea |
| 20:17.16 | strayer | dunno if there is there is an entry of him, just an idea... |
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| 20:18.11 | Pimpinella | no icq but at least an email :) |
| 20:18.17 | Pimpinella | tnx strayer |
| 20:18.28 | strayer | better than nothing... np ;o) |
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| 20:30.25 | izto | Two matches just finished: |
| 20:30.49 | izto | consumption vs Kol (5-3, consuption won) |
| 20:31.08 | izto | consumption vs Fortix (0-9, Fortix won) |
| 20:31.12 | izto | Hi all btw :) |
| 20:32.51 | learner | wow |
| 20:32.52 | strayer | hi izto |
| 20:32.55 | learner | hi itzo :) |
| 20:33.13 | learner | good to see the consumers consuming again :) |
| 20:33.18 | Chestal | hi izto. Kol=Kolousci? |
| 20:34.30 | izto | Yes, Kol=Kolousci |
| 20:34.36 | corndawg | hey Chestal.. ltns |
| 20:35.01 | izto | Consuming and hiring :) Anyone fell free to join |
| 20:35.04 | izto | feel i mean |
| 20:37.14 | strayer | izto: U have 8 members...isn't it enough? |
| 20:39.30 | izto | That's because the team is open in the league. But there are only 3 active members: UK Monkey, Ramsten and me. |
| 20:39.38 | izto | Ramstein, sorry. |
| 20:39.53 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): merged two getTexture as per Mac wishes |
| 20:44.17 | izto | w |
| 20:44.20 | izto | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.18 | Patlabor221 | cap, WHR OST2 is ripping now |
| 20:56.22 | *** join/#bzflag strayer (~8b141175@server24.greatnet.de) |
| 20:59.35 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/guide (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/doc/guide added to the repository |
| 20:59.36 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/howto (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/doc/howto added to the repository |
| 20:59.36 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/faq (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/doc/faq added to the repository |
| 20:59.37 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/man (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/doc/man added to the repository |
| 21:00.28 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/guide/Commands (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/doc/guide/Commands added to the repository |
| 21:00.29 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/guide/Geometry (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/doc/guide/Geometry added to the repository |
| 21:00.29 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/guide/Flags (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/doc/guide/Flags added to the repository |
| 21:00.29 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/guide/Tactics (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/doc/guide/Tactics added to the repository |
| 21:00.39 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: sweeeet |
| 21:01.58 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/faq (6 files): initially stubbed faq entries |
| 21:02.49 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/guide (11 files): initial guide documents |
| 21:02.58 | Patlabor221 | in fact I shall upload as it rips :) |
| 21:03.08 | Nidhoggr | hrm. is there a command to tell a blootbot to leave a single channel without having to /kick it? |
| 21:03.20 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.29 | Nidhoggr | it's not doing it. |
| 21:03.34 | Patlabor221 | what bot? |
| 21:03.44 | Nidhoggr | mine |
| 21:03.46 | Patlabor221 | ibot: part #bzflag |
| 21:03.52 | | Patlabor221: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 21:04.01 | Patlabor221 | ~part #bzflag |
| 21:04.12 | Patlabor221 | ~leave #bzflag |
| 21:04.15 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/guide (4 files in 4 dirs): initial makefiles |
| 21:04.17 | captain_proton | learner: ooh, docbook? |
| 21:04.23 | Patlabor221 | ~getdahellout #bzflag |
| 21:04.33 | learner | cap: indeed :) |
| 21:05.14 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/howto (5 files): initial howto docs |
| 21:06.46 | Patlabor221 | cap it's sending at a whoping 7.5 k a sec |
| 21:07.40 | captain_proton | hm, we're not quite saturated |
| 21:08.04 | Patlabor221 | up to 21 k now |
| 21:09.36 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/man (6 files): initial manual page docs (still need to update to docbook format) |
| 21:10.15 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc (Makefile.am): initial stubbed Makefile.am |
| 21:12.23 | *** join/#bzflag larsl (~larsl@c213-100-62-55.swipnet.se) |
| 21:12.23 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o larsl] by ChanServ |
| 21:12.30 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): added doc dirs for Makefile generation |
| 21:12.40 | Patlabor221 | the rip is done so now it's just time to send |
| 21:13.06 | Patlabor221 | I really shuld do them as ogg |
| 21:14.13 | larsl | What are all the new XML files? Docbook? |
| 21:14.53 | Patlabor221 | pr0n |
| 21:14.58 | Patlabor221 | pure pr0n |
| 21:14.58 | larsl | Or XHTML? |
| 21:15.01 | larsl | Ah. |
| 21:15.17 | Patlabor221 | it's new pr0n 2.0 |
| 21:15.29 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc (3 files): moved three text documents (Filtering, Voting System, and Networking Protocol) into doc/guide for conversion to docbook |
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| 21:17.44 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o learner] by ChanServ |
| 21:18.52 | learner | larsl: docbook, but right now, it's basically just a bunch of stubbed positions |
| 21:19.02 | learner | s/positions/files/ |
| 21:21.16 | larsl | Are the files in doc/man supposed to be docbook XML too? Right now it looks like nroff source. |
| 21:21.29 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (Makefile.am): added doc dir |
| 21:21.30 | learner | they eventually will be |
| 21:21.36 | larsl | OK. |
| 21:21.55 | learner | as you can probably tell, I'm commiting while I do it.. |
| 21:22.09 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: how many tracks are there? |
| 21:22.10 | learner | in case anyone cares to help asyncronously :) |
| 21:22.23 | larsl | learner: What needs to be done? |
| 21:22.26 | learner | captain_proton: +) |
| 21:22.36 | learner | "Rawr" |
| 21:22.42 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 21:22.53 | captain_proton | well the box was just so artistic when i got it that i had to add some stuff |
| 21:23.00 | learner | larsl: well.. the man pages need to be updated to docbook :) |
| 21:23.04 | larsl | Hehe, OK. |
| 21:23.10 | Patlabor221 | 23 |
| 21:23.33 | learner | heh |
| 21:23.56 | larsl | Are there any GUI tools that generates docbook code? I've never written raw XML. |
| 21:24.11 | learner | not yet.. working on that |
| 21:24.20 | learner | for starters we'll just have to manually do it |
| 21:24.30 | learner | there are lots and lots of examples at tldp.org |
| 21:28.09 | larsl | Looks like LyX can write DocBook. |
| 21:28.22 | captain_proton | LyX is neat |
| 21:28.52 | learner | the previous manpages shouldn't go away until the whole system is actually generating |
| 21:29.36 | larsl | Hm. Doesn't look like LyX can import DocBook though. |
| 21:29.57 | learner | none of the docs in our cvs are docbook yet |
| 21:31.10 | learner | http://cvsview.tldp.org/index.cgi/LDP/ |
| 21:31.41 | learner | wikitext sounds rather cool for editing the docs, but I've yet to hear back from the author why tldp stopped using it |
| 21:42.08 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: did your upload quit or did you run out of encoded tracks to upload? |
| 21:43.32 | Patlabor221 | at the time I did the upload I only ha 19 done |
| 21:43.35 | Patlabor221 | the rest are going now |
| 21:44.16 | captain_proton | ah, ok - 2.3M seemed a little small but i guess i listen to longer music usually |
| 21:46.21 | Patlabor221 | no that's how big it says it is on my disk |
| 21:46.40 | Patlabor221 | its on 21 now |
| 21:47.50 | Patlabor221 | I should have just put the disk in asgard and let you rip it to your spec :) |
| 21:48.31 | Patlabor221 | hmm is it posible to eject a machines CD from ssh CLI? |
| 21:48.31 | captain_proton | heh |
| 21:48.41 | captain_proton | sure, with the right perms |
| 21:48.44 | captain_proton | the 'eject' command |
| 21:48.59 | Patlabor221 | that would be funn |
| 21:49.09 | Patlabor221 | it would be asking "Feed me" |
| 21:49.09 | captain_proton | even better is to do: |
| 21:49.16 | Patlabor221 | ohh crap |
| 21:49.16 | captain_proton | while [ 1 ]; do eject; eject -t; done |
| 21:49.21 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 21:49.32 | Patlabor221 | just keeps it going in and out? |
| 21:49.43 | captain_proton | yup |
| 21:49.47 | Patlabor221 | funny |
| 21:49.55 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:50.24 | larsl | Unfortunately the Sun computers wouldn't eject unless there actually was a CD in the player. |
| 21:50.32 | scanline | too bad eject -t doesn't work on laptops |
| 21:51.31 | Patlabor221 | ahh it got up to 30k thats not too bad |
| 21:53.24 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 21:53.34 | Patlabor221 | it's done |
| 21:53.40 | captain_proton | apparently virtual PC is faster at starting windows apps than osx's classic environment is at starting os9 apps |
| 21:53.47 | Patlabor221 | anything else I can get for yeah |
| 21:55.08 | Patlabor221 | hmmm the version of shell is instrumental |
| 21:55.11 | Patlabor221 | it's rather good |
| 21:55.21 | Tupone | learner: doclifter? tried yet? |
| 21:55.41 | larsl | Tupone: Just found that. |
| 21:56.50 | larsl | doclifter gives me some error messages. |
| 21:57.55 | larsl | But it does produce XML files for all man pages except bzfquery.6 |
| 21:58.32 | larsl | Wow, XML is really verbose. =) |
| 21:59.24 | learner | yes it is, but that's what allows it to generate everything so easily an uncryptically |
| 21:59.28 | Tupone | that come from podman, it should interpret the input from |
| 21:59.47 | learner | tupone: haven't looked at it, but that sounds like a great idea for auto-converting the existing manpages |
| 22:00.41 | Tupone | generation system is working yet? |
| 22:01.17 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/faq (FAQ.xml): initial faq in docbook |
| 22:04.47 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/faq (FAQ.xml): er, let's start with the latest docbook spec for this new stuff |
| 22:06.46 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/ (Makefile.am): doc should be browsed not just for dist-ribution |
| 22:07.46 | learner | oops, missed that |
| 22:09.53 | corndawg | phew |
| 22:10.00 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/doc (Makefile.am): Need to browse SUBDIRS |
| 22:12.02 | larsl | Nice, Konqueror can render docbook files. |
| 22:12.12 | learner | oh, sweet |
| 22:12.27 | learner | i think IE, at least latest versions, also will |
| 22:12.37 | learner | WordPerfect has great support too |
| 22:12.41 | learner | if you happen to have that |
| 22:12.58 | larsl | Can you add some style sheets to it, or do you have to convert to another format for that? |
| 22:13.12 | learner | s/great/cool yet very buggy/ |
| 22:13.42 | learner | You can directly apply stylesheets in wp |
| 22:13.59 | learner | but it's a bit involved to set up initially |
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| 22:22.16 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc/faq (4 files): actual meat to the initial faq entries |
| 22:22.31 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/doc/man (3 files): Converted some man pages to XML with doclifter. I'm not sure if its valid XML, but docbook2html generates nice pages from it, so it's a start. The other man pages were not convertable. |
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| 22:33.35 | corndawg | brb all |
| 22:37.28 | david_v | hm i still can't join on Ducati, does anyone know what this is about? |
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| 22:54.56 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o learner] by ChanServ |
| 23:00.15 | *** mode/#bzflag [-v larsl_food] by larsl_food |
| 23:00.26 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o larsl_food] by larsl_food |
| 23:00.29 | *** part/#bzflag larsl_food (~larsl@c213-100-62-55.swipnet.se) |
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| 23:01.01 | Death_Barrel | ~netstat ducati.bzflag.org |
| 23:01.20 | Death_Barrel | oops |
| 23:01.28 | Death_Barrel | ~nslookup ducati.bzflag.org |
| 23:01.33 | *** join/#bzflag corndawg (~who_cares@c-24-131-245-105.mw.client2.attbi.com) |
| 23:01.35 | corndawg | heyas all |
| 23:01.39 | Death_Barrel | try that david_v |
| 23:01.43 | Death_Barrel | use the ip |
| 23:06.16 | david_v | nah it's not a DNS issue, it's just that i get connection failed |
| 23:06.29 | david_v | and rather fast. the server is responding somehow, but not letting me in |
| 23:08.15 | corndawg | heyas.. what ports do i need open on the router for the server? |
| 23:08.21 | corndawg | cant remember for the life of me |
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| 23:13.24 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton, http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ is a 404 now, is there a better URL? |
| 23:14.35 | Patlabor221 | is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/ where it should be at? |
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| 23:50.23 | corndawg | wait.. |
| 23:50.23 | corndawg | fired it otu |
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| 23:58.00 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: looks like it |