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| 01:34.04 | learner | heh, yep late for you :) |
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| 01:35.48 | learner | tupone.. up late? |
| 01:36.02 | Tupone | tomorrow is holiday |
| 01:36.07 | learner | sweet |
| 01:36.16 | Tupone | were you? |
| 01:36.27 | learner | was that me? |
| 01:36.32 | learner | yep :) |
| 01:36.43 | Tupone | k! How I play? |
| 01:36.47 | Tupone | bad! |
| 01:36.55 | Tupone | too jumpy |
| 01:37.03 | learner | hrm.. you seemed good to me |
| 01:37.16 | learner | kicked that annoying green guy pretty good |
| 01:37.33 | Tupone | yeah, lucky |
| 01:37.57 | learner | nah, he sucked.. he'd only hunt for GM and then sit |
| 01:37.59 | Tupone | docbook? progress? |
| 01:38.54 | learner | not today.. still have to put the scripts together that check for the tools (autoconf) and run them to create different doc formats |
| 01:39.43 | Tupone | and if someone doesn't have? |
| 01:40.03 | Tupone | or is in all distro? |
| 01:40.29 | learner | it'll be disabled by default --enable-documentation |
| 01:40.30 | Tupone | even the so lovable Debian stable |
| 01:40.52 | learner | most people won't have docbook processing tools |
| 01:41.06 | Tupone | you mean no man pages for that? |
| 01:41.14 | Tupone | s/that/those/ |
| 01:43.10 | learner | we might have to include some scripts |
| 01:43.35 | learner | so that we at least get manpages, but then the developers will need to right tools to make distributions |
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| 02:52.50 | learner | howdy mac! |
| 02:52.56 | learner | ;) |
| 02:53.20 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 02:53.51 | MrApathyCream | no tim again today? |
| 02:54.04 | learner | actually yes.. |
| 02:54.11 | learner | he was here earlier today this morning |
| 02:54.28 | MrApathyCream | say anything? |
| 02:55.03 | learner | he didn't hint a peep about release, of course, but he was asking about the docbook stuff |
| 02:55.20 | learner | seemed to spark some sort of interest |
| 03:02.33 | MrApathyCream | mmm |
| 03:02.53 | MrApathyCream | Are you trying to get docbook stuff finished for this release? |
| 03:02.59 | learner | nope |
| 03:03.07 | MrApathyCream | Assuming 'this release' is before the sun explodes |
| 03:03.12 | learner | heh |
| 03:03.26 | learner | No, It was just something to keep me busy from messing with the code |
| 03:03.44 | learner | and something familiar and half-interesting, and rather needed (imo) |
| 03:04.03 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 03:04.07 | learner | I want to hook it up to a build target that actually generates the website |
| 03:04.13 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 03:04.22 | MrApathyCream | arg. someone added std::time stuff |
| 03:04.36 | MrApathyCream | needs to be converted to TimeKeeper |
| 03:04.49 | learner | twas not I :) |
| 03:05.09 | MrApathyCream | no, i think larsl |
| 03:05.19 | MrApathyCream | do yo know what std::time(NULL) is supposed to do? |
| 03:05.22 | MrApathyCream | current time i guess? |
| 03:05.35 | learner | should be the same as the standard C time() func |
| 03:05.49 | learner | so, basically time since epoch |
| 03:05.57 | MrApathyCream | returns millis since some date in the past? |
| 03:06.10 | learner | same value you get from TimeKeeper->getCurrentTime() iirc |
| 03:06.28 | learner | or something name similarly to that |
| 03:06.46 | MrApathyCream | what do you suppose this is supposed to do: |
| 03:06.47 | MrApathyCream | banEnd -= long(std::time(NULL) -TimeKeeper::getCurrent().getSeconds()); |
| 03:07.05 | learner | heh |
| 03:07.10 | MrApathyCream | naively that looks like - 0 |
| 03:07.27 | learner | time(NULL) is not 0 |
| 03:07.43 | learner | ah, I think I remember him asking/talking about that |
| 03:07.43 | MrApathyCream | no time - getSeconds is 0, no? |
| 03:07.58 | learner | getCurrent() is returning number of secs since app started or something |
| 03:07.58 | MrApathyCream | or perhaps they are shifting time 'coordinates' |
| 03:08.16 | MrApathyCream | ok, i'll by that |
| 03:08.37 | MrApathyCream | so lets see |
| 03:08.53 | learner | The time() function returns the value of time in seconds since 0 hours, 0 |
| 03:08.53 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.54 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.21 | MrApathyCream | ok, so banEnd -= long(std::time(NULL) -TimeKeeper::getCurrent().getSeconds()); |
| 03:09.28 | MrApathyCream | sets banEnd to when the game was started? |
| 03:09.37 | MrApathyCream | relative to 1/1/70? |
| 03:10.14 | learner | the hamster running around in my head just fell out of his running wheel.. lemme think |
| 03:10.18 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 03:11.43 | learner | banEnd is decremented by the the time when the _server_ was started, not necessarily the game |
| 03:11.58 | learner | assuming his assumption about getCurrent() is correct |
| 03:12.10 | MrApathyCream | ok, lets attack this another way |
| 03:12.15 | MrApathyCream | what is this code trying to do? |
| 03:12.26 | learner | good question |
| 03:12.27 | MrApathyCream | what with bans |
| 03:12.29 | learner | where is it? |
| 03:12.39 | MrApathyCream | accesscontrollist.h |
| 03:12.48 | MrApathyCream | in bzfs dir |
| 03:14.57 | MrApathyCream | hmmm he added a ban file? |
| 03:14.59 | MrApathyCream | perhaps |
| 03:15.17 | learner | yes.. he did |
| 03:15.24 | learner | he added his patch that does -banlist |
| 03:15.31 | learner | for persistent banning |
| 03:15.32 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 03:15.37 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 03:15.54 | learner | so this is what takes that file and loads up an access control list |
| 03:16.00 | learner | to see if they can join |
| 03:16.03 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 03:16.27 | MrApathyCream | so i guess just need to convert std::time to c time |
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| 03:17.14 | learner | yes, it looks like the main difference is that std::time actually returns a numeric value, whereas the c time returns a time_t struct |
| 03:17.30 | MrApathyCream | std::time return seconds since 1/1/70? |
| 03:17.39 | learner | i'm looking that up now |
| 03:17.44 | MrApathyCream | std::time(NULL) that is |
| 03:18.45 | learner | ah, std::ctime returns the struct |
| 03:19.21 | learner | er, no |
| 03:19.24 | learner | never mind |
| 03:19.32 | learner | returns a string formatting time |
| 03:19.52 | triclops | time_t is a long int iirc |
| 03:21.06 | learner | I don't quite get why it can't be done without std::time or time() altogether .. should be able to do whatever he's wanting with the TimeKeeper |
| 03:23.21 | MrApathyCream | that would be better |
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| 03:26.06 | learner | ah, he uses std::time without including <time>.. hrm |
| 03:26.17 | learner | that could be your particular build problem |
| 03:26.34 | learner | he includes <ctime> |
| 03:28.50 | learner | ah.. I see his problem now.. |
| 03:29.33 | learner | getCurrent is returning the time since the server started.. and he needs a global clock so that he can keep track of time across server shutdowns |
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| 03:30.37 | MrApathyCream | learner: yah, that makes sense |
| 03:32.00 | learner | try that |
| 03:32.00 | MrApathyCream | normal time should work then, no? |
| 03:32.04 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 03:32.06 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (AccessControlList.h): convert to time.h for system failing to have std::time() |
| 03:32.17 | MrApathyCream | coo |
| 03:34.41 | MrApathyCream | now i can update the conf builder :( |
| 03:36.08 | MrApathyCream | hmmm did he get rid of the banlist option then |
| 03:36.08 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 03:37.02 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 03:37.04 | MrApathyCream | nope, still there. |
| 03:37.11 | MrApathyCream | seems like the other one could be removed |
| 03:37.47 | learner | yea, I remember tim saying something similar but saying we'll fix it later |
| 03:41.18 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/misc (bzfs_conf.html): add banfile to conf builder |
| 03:41.51 | MrApathyCream | so when you ban a player, does it auto add it to the file? |
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| 03:42.13 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 03:42.15 | MrApathyCream | that would be nice |
| 03:43.14 | learner | it'd be neat if I can figure out a way to get the code to work with the docbook docs too, so that there is only one doc location |
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| 03:46.23 | learner | hola chikorita |
| 03:47.24 | Quol | hello everybody... |
| 03:47.31 | Chikorita | hi learna |
| 03:47.42 | Chikorita | hi Q |
| 03:47.53 | Quol | hello Chiko - how R ya? |
| 03:48.09 | Chikorita | im ok |
| 03:48.12 | learner | howdy Q |
| 03:48.28 | Quol | hey there learner...what's new? |
| 03:48.52 | learner | nothing much, you? |
| 03:49.17 | Quol | nothing much - just looking more into these InnoDB tables with MySQL... |
| 03:49.32 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 03:50.01 | Chikorita | tis slow for a sunday |
| 03:50.32 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): support for VC5 :) - Daniel Remenak |
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| 03:52.09 | | big_barrel <~chatzilla@adsl-64-219-212-46.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 7d 1h 40m 30s ago, saying: 'plz'. |
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| 03:57.39 | Quol | anyone here user PHP and a templating system with it? like patTemplate or something? |
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| 03:58.03 | Chikorita | hi tim tim |
| 03:58.55 | |tim| | hi Chikorita |
| 03:59.31 | |chik| | heehe |
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| 03:59.54 | learner | Q, I've made up my own templating system in php |
| 04:00.11 | |chik| | hi noodleman |
| 04:00.12 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.31 | Quol | learner: ohh - any benefits over patTemplate or fastTemplate? |
| 04:00.56 | learner | i've not used them, though I remember reading about fastTemplate a long time ago -- had promise |
| 04:00.59 | Quol | but not complete seperation of HTML and PHP then? just header/footer stuff? |
| 04:01.40 | learner | mine was not a complete separation, just a very simple one that worked very well in practice (handed it over to non html/php people) |
| 04:02.25 | Quol | i am looking into a complete seperation of site design/back-end code. |
| 04:02.44 | Quol | so the Graphics people can design their HTML with whatever tool they want |
| 04:02.55 | Quol | and it won't screw with the backend PHP code.. |
| 04:03.57 | Quol | something along the lines of asp.net.... |
| 04:04.01 | learner | not an easy task with any tool really, without placing some restrictions on how they get the code in |
| 04:04.41 | Quol | ya- i will settle for certain keywords that the GUI people need to have in their HTML templates.. |
| 04:05.14 | |chik| | ~d |
| 04:05.23 | Quol | I will check out both fast and pat Templates - see if there is any difference..you know of any others? |
| 04:12.06 | |tim| | :) |
| 04:14.35 | RC_cola | ~spell rythm |
| 04:14.39 | | possible spellings for rythm: rhythm rhythms Ruth Ruthe Ruthi Ruthy Roth Retha Thom rhythm's rhythmic rum them Ruthie Ruth's rm |
| 04:14.40 | learner | rhythm |
| 04:14.47 | RC_cola | o okies thnx |
| 04:14.50 | learner | ;) |
| 04:14.56 | learner | heya |tim| |
| 04:15.14 | learner | left you a memo.. accounts upgraded |
| 04:16.30 | |tim| | whaccu mean? |
| 04:16.37 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): fix commit/uncommit menus - Daniel Remenak |
| 04:17.09 | learner | brlcad.org accounts were all reloaded after server upgrade, but I had to reset passwords due to a change in the storage mechanism |
| 04:17.18 | learner | so your password was reset -- read your memo :) |
| 04:22.33 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 04:22.39 | Patlabor221 | you don't know my hell man |
| 04:22.41 | Patlabor221 | you don't know |
| 04:22.58 | MrApathyCream | snowball melts instantaneous |
| 04:23.54 | MrApathyCream | what smatter? |
| 04:24.30 | Patlabor221 | 1) my sisters boyfriend was shot and killed |
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| 04:24.40 | MrApathyCream | wow |
| 04:24.42 | Patlabor221 | 2) the entire network at work was breeched |
| 04:24.51 | Patlabor221 | 3) I have a song stuck in my head |
| 04:25.09 | learner | my goodness, that's aweful |
| 04:25.10 | RC_cola | dang |
| 04:25.21 | learner | #3 that is |
| 04:25.25 | learner | j/k!! |
| 04:25.27 | RC_cola | which song |
| 04:25.30 | RC_cola | sowee |
| 04:25.41 | learner | yea, that's really bad, sorry to hear it |
| 04:25.49 | RC_cola | dats terrible pat |
| 04:25.56 | Patlabor221 | you will all laugh at me |
| 04:26.07 | Patlabor221 | "yo ho, yo ho, a pirates life for me" |
| 04:26.12 | learner | LoL! |
| 04:26.21 | learner | arr |
| 04:26.26 | RC_cola | iznt dat KRs' theme? |
| 04:26.59 | RC_cola | from his Untouchable Scurvy Dog dayz? |
| 04:27.27 | RC_cola | i had a song stuck in mee head , buh i dunt kno who songs it.. |
| 04:27.48 | RC_cola | "o da weather outside iz frightfull..." |
| 04:28.10 | RC_cola | "simply no place ta go , let it snow let it snow let it snow..." |
| 04:28.27 | RC_cola | iz dat perry como who sings dat? or frank sinatra? |
| 04:28.38 | Patlabor221 | oh and somone was trying to wget asgard |
| 04:28.43 | Patlabor221 | mostly the bfoj |
| 04:28.49 | learner | heh |
| 04:29.03 | learner | that's behind an htaccess though, no? |
| 04:29.24 | learner | was the password sniffed? |
| 04:29.47 | Patlabor221 | it is not |
| 04:29.52 | Patlabor221 | I wish to make it so |
| 04:29.54 | Patlabor221 | I tried |
| 04:29.56 | Patlabor221 | I failed |
| 04:29.57 | learner | eep |
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| 04:34.51 | RC_cola | ~google lyric "let it snow" |
| 04:35.38 | MrApathyCream | I wonder if Tim is gonna disappoint all the kiddies |
| 04:36.57 | phillc | Hi guys. I've just downloaded the 1.9.9 beta. Can anyone point me to some active servers? The built in server list doesn't come up with anything. |
| 04:36.58 | RC_cola | dat iz a great song i luv it heh |
| 04:37.29 | MrApathyCream | really |
| 04:38.02 | RC_cola | ~google lyrics a pirates life for me |
| 04:38.31 | Patlabor221 | yes I know the lyrics |
| 04:38.34 | Patlabor221 | I want the song |
| 04:38.44 | Patlabor221 | it's on like 2 out of print CDs |
| 04:38.45 | MrApathyCream | brlcad.org 14243 |
| 04:38.49 | Patlabor221 | and not in itunes |
| 04:38.52 | learner | 1.9.9? we're on 1.9.10, no? |
| 04:38.59 | MrApathyCream | *shrug* |
| 04:39.22 | MrApathyCream | 1.9.10 yes |
| 04:39.27 | DTRemenak | there are no "active" 1.9 servers, if by active you mean having players |
| 04:39.48 | MrApathyCream | phillc:if no servers are showing up, it may be that the protocol changed since your version |
| 04:39.54 | MrApathyCream | thus download the latest |
| 04:39.57 | DTRemenak | and there are no 1.9.10 builds posted, one needs to compile it onesself |
| 04:40.12 | MrApathyCream | If servers show up, but no players on them, then no one is playing |
| 04:40.37 | learner | also it often takes way too long for the server list to show up.. |
| 04:40.59 | MrApathyCream | phillc: can you connect to brlcad.org port 14243? |
| 04:41.25 | phillc | Okay, thanks guys. I'll download and compile 1.9.10 and see what shows up. |
| 04:41.36 | phillc | MyApathyCream: hold on, I'll try connecting. |
| 04:41.48 | Quol | g'night people... |
| 04:41.57 | RC_cola | nite Q |
| 04:42.06 | Patlabor221 | I can't log into my PC here, and I no longer have net access at home |
| 04:42.22 | DTRemenak | according to http://db.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST all the 1.9 servers are 1.9.10 |
| 04:42.39 | phillc | Nope - incompatible version - requires 1.9.10. |
| 04:42.49 | phillc | I'll compile 1.9.10 and try again. |
| 04:42.55 | KR | lmao - check it out "extreme ironing" :-D http://www.extremeironing.com/ |
| 04:43.52 | RC_cola | LoL KR , dat cant b 4 rill |
| 04:44.39 | KR | RC - its on the interent - it *must* be real ;) |
| 04:44.54 | RC_cola | heh |
| 04:45.07 | Patlabor221 | I do report direclty to the presedent |
| 04:45.21 | Patlabor221 | the IS guy was about to cry when I had to step in |
| 04:45.32 | Patlabor221 | it is posible I will be made his supervisor |
| 04:45.42 | RC_cola | yay pat |
| 04:46.12 | Patlabor221 | how are you chika? |
| 04:46.22 | RC_cola | im good |
| 04:46.27 | Patlabor221 | good |
| 04:46.45 | RC_cola | i hope thingz wil get betta 4 u tho |
| 04:47.13 | RC_cola | i wil send u sum of my good luck an good karma over :) |
| 04:47.19 | RC_cola | i have sum to spare |
| 04:47.54 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 04:47.55 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 04:48.04 | Patlabor221 | I just hope this is the end of the year of hell |
| 04:48.23 | RC_cola | at least it might get dat song outta ur head |
| 04:48.30 | Patlabor221 | and at least I have something close to the song stuck in my head |
| 04:48.34 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 04:48.40 | RC_cola | da best way to get rid of a song in ur head iz maybee replace it wif anutha song.. |
| 04:48.46 | Patlabor221 | I got the sountrack to the movie it's rather good |
| 04:48.54 | RC_cola | o |
| 04:49.01 | Patlabor221 | sounds very "big" |
| 04:49.07 | RC_cola | wut movie iz dat from? |
| 04:49.10 | Patlabor221 | like I should be standing ona mast |
| 04:49.16 | Patlabor221 | Pirates of the Carabean |
| 04:49.18 | RC_cola | iz dat from Veggie tales? |
| 04:49.21 | RC_cola | o okies |
| 04:49.23 | Patlabor221 | no no |
| 04:49.33 | RC_cola | im mixed up wif anutha song |
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| 04:49.35 | Patlabor221 | in the movie the actors sing it every so often as a joke |
| 04:49.39 | Patlabor221 | the movie is rather good |
| 04:49.44 | RC_cola | o |
| 04:49.52 | MrApathyCream | I find this is very effective for removing songs from one's head: http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf |
| 04:50.00 | RC_cola | i havent seen it yet.. i was afraid it would b dum |
| 04:50.22 | RC_cola | i like jonny depp tho , he iz 1 of my fav actors |
| 04:50.29 | Patlabor221 | he totaly makes the movie |
| 04:50.32 | Patlabor221 | he is great |
| 04:50.36 | Patlabor221 | it's a very very fun movie |
| 04:50.44 | RC_cola | kewl |
| 04:50.46 | Patlabor221 | the did work soe of the ride in, but very subtle and classy |
| 04:50.52 | RC_cola | so itz a comedey? |
| 04:51.13 | RC_cola | i tho it was a horror movie |
| 04:51.17 | RC_cola | wif pirates |
| 04:51.54 | RC_cola | i hate dat horror-comedy genre |
| 04:51.58 | RC_cola | ~dict genre |
| 04:52.01 | Patlabor221 | ohhh it's more of a action comedy |
| 04:52.08 | Patlabor221 | the undead parts are more campy then sacrey |
| 04:52.15 | RC_cola | o i c |
| 04:53.20 | RC_cola | hmm wel then i wil definately hafta rent it then wen it comes out on dvd , heh |
| 04:53.28 | Patlabor221 | it is on DVD now |
| 04:53.29 | RC_cola | i cant wait for ROTK |
| 04:53.33 | Patlabor221 | nor I |
| 04:53.34 | RC_cola | iz it? |
| 04:53.38 | RC_cola | o dang |
| 04:53.50 | RC_cola | seriously? |
| 04:54.12 | RC_cola | hmm 15 minutes til da rental store closes ...dunno if i can make it |
| 04:54.22 | RC_cola | i try ...brb |
| 04:54.40 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 04:54.44 | Patlabor221 | good luck |
| 05:05.49 | RC_cola | dang |
| 05:05.56 | RC_cola | missed by 2 minutes.. |
| 05:06.37 | RC_cola | i hesitated for 5 minutes ...then i had to find mah purse ...an then i had to drive slow cuz of all da snow.. |
| 05:06.45 | RC_cola | :P |
| 05:07.04 | RC_cola | now i _really_ hafta see it ...tomorrow |
| 05:07.55 | RC_cola | ~d |
| 05:14.39 | MrApathyCream | wonder how phillc is doing :) |
| 05:16.35 | DTRemenak | I think he'll be dissapointed that noone is actually playing 1.9 as of yet |
| 05:21.29 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 05:25.52 | MrApathyCream | nope |
| 05:25.55 | DTRemenak | doesn't appear to be |
| 05:34.02 | Noodleman | who the heck is phillc? |
| 05:34.49 | learner | hehe, that sounded so phallic mac |
| 05:35.24 | MrApathyCream | phillc (~phillc@219-89-147-4.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) has joined #bzflag |
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| 05:46.59 | MrApathyCream | off to feed the horsies |
| 06:04.47 | learner | night kr |
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| 06:21.27 | MrApathyCream | |dave| is back\ |
| 06:21.40 | captain_proton | so MrApathyCream |
| 06:21.42 | captain_proton | hows life? |
| 06:22.49 | MrApathyCream | well, i'm starting to worry that the kiddies will be dissappointed this year |
| 06:22.59 | MrApathyCream | <Bad Santa> |
| 06:23.09 | captain_proton | aw |
| 06:27.46 | MrApathyCream | so cappy, you married now? |
| 06:28.44 | RGJ | for fun |
| 06:31.32 | captain_proton | heh |
| 06:33.01 | MrApathyCream | what you been doin' with yourself then? |
| 06:34.05 | captain_proton | school, mostly |
| 06:34.22 | Patlabor221 | MAC had you traveling the world last month |
| 06:39.53 | MrApathyCream | you gotta be done soon, no? |
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| 06:40.34 | captain_proton | last exam is on the 18th |
| 06:40.43 | MrApathyCream | oofaa |
| 06:40.51 | MrApathyCream | poor cappy |
| 06:40.51 | Patlabor221 | lotta poop? |
| 06:41.11 | captain_proton | only 3 exams - one this friday, one the next monday, and one the 18th |
| 06:41.11 | MrApathyCream | me? |
| 06:41.35 | MrApathyCream | average amount, which is good as they didn't go out today (snow/wind) |
| 06:41.40 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:42.02 | Patlabor221 | ahh that snow stuff |
| 06:43.13 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: mind if i point #commits people to you for Guu? |
| 06:43.27 | Patlabor221 | sure if you can fix guu |
| 06:43.32 | captain_proton | oh |
| 06:43.32 | Patlabor221 | she's a busted now |
| 06:43.53 | Patlabor221 | learner what was the last info on guu? |
| 06:51.24 | learner | no new info.. didn't get in touch with jem yet still |
| 06:52.00 | Patlabor221 | if you can grab the code I can try running it at home |
| 06:52.07 | Patlabor221 | python is isntalled on ryoko now |
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| 06:56.44 | Patlabor221 | I should set up a guu farm |
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| 07:02.36 | learner | hey mac, you'll might appreciate pic #2 here: http://brlcad.org/~sean/Gallery/ |
| 07:04.10 | captain_proton | for 20 points |
| 07:04.15 | captain_proton | which photo doesn't fit? |
| 07:04.21 | learner | heh |
| 07:04.39 | learner | the extra one of niagara I'm thinking :) |
| 07:14.45 | learner | g'night |
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| 07:49.28 | captain_proton | what general framework are you using? |
| 07:49.58 | MrApathyCream | none |
| 07:50.15 | captain_proton | i mean |
| 07:50.18 | captain_proton | what frontend? sdl? |
| 07:50.45 | MrApathyCream | nuttin |
| 07:50.48 | MrApathyCream | just gl |
| 07:50.56 | captain_proton | uhm |
| 07:51.03 | captain_proton | there's gotta be something handing you an opengl context |
| 07:51.09 | captain_proton | whether that be sdl, wgl, glx, etc |
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| 07:52.54 | MrApathyCream | context? |
| 07:53.15 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: what library is giving you the window for opengl? |
| 07:53.29 | captain_proton | or is this inside bzflag? |
| 07:53.30 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.36 | captain_proton | ok, glut |
| 07:53.38 | MrApathyCream | no not in bzflag |
| 07:53.43 | captain_proton | are you swapping buffers? |
| 07:53.47 | captain_proton | (is it double buffered?) |
| 07:53.49 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 07:54.00 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.07 | captain_proton | mmmk |
| 07:54.11 | captain_proton | whats yer transform? |
| 07:54.34 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.53 | MrApathyCream | object is at 0,0,0 |
| 07:55.21 | captain_proton | try turning off lighting |
| 07:55.55 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.57 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.33 | captain_proton | glDisable(GL_LIGHTING); |
| 07:56.45 | captain_proton | then it'll just apply the ambient to everything |
| 07:57.19 | MrApathyCream | no diff |
| 07:57.32 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 07:57.42 | captain_proton | maybe turn off culling too? |
| 07:59.20 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 08:00.24 | MrApathyCream | there should be a debug setting on |
| 08:00.33 | MrApathyCream | that tells you what it's drawing, or why it's not drawing |
| 08:02.59 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added -banfile to bzfs man page and to misc/bzfs.conf |
| 08:12.19 | MrApathyCream | faces are supposed to be ccw, right? |
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| 08:12.42 | bomber | moin |
| 08:12.46 | captain_proton | yeah, but you don't need to worry about that if you turn off culling |
| 08:13.25 | MrApathyCream | yeah |
| 08:14.09 | MrApathyCream | myst be the transform |
| 08:14.48 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: email me the program? |
| 08:15.47 | captain_proton | trowbrds at cs.colorado.edu |
| 08:16.40 | captain_proton | i'll try to take a look at it tomorrow |
| 08:19.23 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 08:20.44 | MrApathyCream | thanks |
| 08:30.08 | MrApathyCream | in your mailbox |
| 08:31.28 | captain_proton | mmm, zip |
| 08:31.30 | captain_proton | how quaint |
| 08:31.32 | captain_proton | :) |
| 08:33.59 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 08:42.10 | MrApathyCream | well off to bed, nite all |
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| 11:28.11 | | dabomb <~dalskdjal@215-bem-10.acn.waw.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 6d 12h 22m 14s ago, saying: 'likewise'. |
| 11:28.22 | yoyox | ~seen asinur |
| 11:28.23 | | asinur <~asinur@212.182.117.114> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 80d 19h 56m 54s ago, saying: 'meet a ducati'. |
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| 15:19.53 | brlcad | Mmm.. rum |
| 15:24.53 | captain_proton | isn't it a bit early for that? |
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| 15:51.56 | brlcad | it's never too early |
| 15:52.02 | brlcad | Hi Tim |
| 15:52.56 | Tupone | hi Tim |
| 16:00.35 | brlcad | lol |
| 16:02.37 | [dmp] | :) |
| 16:05.23 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 16:05.34 | Nidhoggr | anyone know of an irc bot that will also log into AIM? |
| 16:05.42 | Nidhoggr | and become a channel interface? |
| 16:06.52 | Chestal | where can I get that zebra game? |
| 16:07.55 | brlcad | hehe |
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| 16:10.31 | Michaelh | does anyone have the documentation on the rights/users/groups system? |
| 16:10.47 | brlcad | there are minimal docs in the bzfs manpage |
| 16:10.55 | brlcad | feel free to write up better ones :) |
| 16:11.00 | Michaelh | lol |
| 16:11.19 | Michaelh | If I add a right, how is it innited initially? |
| 16:11.35 | Michaelh | I only see certain ones initted without some file being present |
| 16:11.51 | Michaelh | I assume all the others are dumped somewhere in the restricted zone |
| 16:11.58 | brlcad | it's initially hard coded to certain defaults by the code |
| 16:12.08 | brlcad | i think the manpage lists those defaults |
| 16:12.21 | brlcad | if not I can probably rattle them off easily enough |
| 16:12.29 | Michaelh | Is there a html version? |
| 16:12.38 | brlcad | of course not |
| 16:12.41 | brlcad | :) |
| 16:12.54 | brlcad | but there will be if you write one up in docbook :) |
| 16:13.02 | Michaelh | doh |
| 16:13.07 | brlcad | or text |
| 16:13.08 | Michaelh | how about Word |
| 16:13.12 | Michaelh | :) |
| 16:13.12 | brlcad | either way, I'm happy |
| 16:13.15 | brlcad | sure, word's fine |
| 16:13.18 | Michaelh | with huge bitmaps |
| 16:13.22 | brlcad | sure |
| 16:13.25 | Michaelh | lol |
| 16:13.42 | brlcad | that's easy enough to convert |
| 16:13.50 | Chestal | I thought the windows version made html docs outof the man page files? |
| 16:14.31 | Tupone | is there a way to convert that to chm? |
| 16:14.39 | brlcad | could be, i dunno -- I don't "do" that platform :) |
| 16:15.29 | Michaelh | I don't see any html files outside of the same old tired readme html |
| 16:16.33 | Michaelh | I do have a man2html.c file :) |
| 16:16.41 | Tupone | there are xml files! but you should get with cvs update -dP |
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| 16:17.23 | Chestal | there's ./win32/VC71/man2html.vcproj |
| 16:17.29 | Death_Barrel | hey guys |
| 16:17.39 | Death_Barrel | hi chestal |
| 16:17.51 | Chestal | DB: DarkSamurai was looking for you I think, I gave him a couple of UINs, but I'm never sure which ones work |
| 16:18.02 | Death_Barrel | ah |
| 16:18.10 | Death_Barrel | well, i am not on icq |
| 16:18.13 | Death_Barrel | at work |
| 16:18.24 | Death_Barrel | did he say what about? |
| 16:18.38 | Death_Barrel | probabally the new league he is trying to start |
| 16:18.42 | Death_Barrel | *sigh* |
| 16:19.01 | Death_Barrel | players are trying to create these new leages.... it just doesn't make sense |
| 16:19.11 | Death_Barrel | 1 IST league is fine.....but 2|??? |
| 16:19.41 | Death_Barrel | then you got BaDiN trying to make the BIT league, which is almost exactally like the current CTF league |
| 16:19.49 | Death_Barrel | have you heard about this chestal? |
| 16:19.59 | KR | I want to form the KR league, where my team will alwys win, my shots never miss, and , after matches, the Swedish Bikini Team gives me rubdowns... |
| 16:20.16 | KR | wanna join, anyone? |
| 16:20.22 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:20.26 | Death_Barrel | hell yeah |
| 16:20.32 | Chestal | DB: I see some leagues/tournaments popping up, but haven't really been paying attention |
| 16:20.32 | Death_Barrel | where can i sign up? |
| 16:20.45 | KR | not being me, you will die a lot, but the rubdowns make up for that... |
| 16:21.06 | Death_Barrel | Cestal: yeah, i think it is pointless, HoW has been having trouble getting matches lately with the current league |
| 16:21.29 | KR | because HoW is so lame, everyne feels bad beating them up.... |
| 16:21.37 | KR | :-D |
| 16:21.39 | Death_Barrel | KR: that sounds fun :) can we get the rubdowns while we play? |
| 16:21.43 | KR | lol |
| 16:21.45 | Death_Barrel | lol KR |
| 16:22.08 | Death_Barrel | fortix won't match us ...lol |
| 16:22.11 | Death_Barrel | they are scared |
| 16:23.35 | Chestal | it would make sense to organize a _tournament_, though. I am not sure it would work out and it's difficult, but at least it would be a nice addition |
| 16:24.06 | [dmp] | i dont mind the league.. some will die.. Im more worried about the concept that people can be different teams (eg, me and KR is in TDS, but in BIT we can be against eachother etc.) |
| 16:24.36 | KR | [dmp] is scared of playing against me, because I r00l him on the battlefield... |
| 16:24.42 | KR | lmao! |
| 16:24.51 | [dmp] | oh, forgot one |
| 16:24.58 | [dmp] | :) |
| 16:25.09 | KR | hehe |
| 16:25.40 | KR | in the interest of full disclosure, sometimes - well, once - dmp kills me |
| 16:25.48 | KR | :-D |
| 16:26.16 | [dmp] | Wake up KR, you are talking nonsense :) |
| 16:26.23 | KR | lol |
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| 16:26.37 | KR | its the coffee talking, man, I'm an addict... |
| 16:27.07 | Michaelh | I see the answer all commands are given to the admin group by default |
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| 16:27.20 | [dmp] | but i think it shows a problem: web-people dont want to work together on a single project. Everyone wants their own. |
| 16:27.22 | Michaelh | are the bitsets automatically inited to false ? looks so |
| 16:28.12 | Death_Barrel | brb guys |
| 16:29.19 | KR | [dmp] - I see similar on CTF at times - no teamwork, people forget the flag, only worry about kill score... :/ |
| 16:29.26 | Chestal | Michaelh: yes |
| 16:29.29 | KR | must be a "human" thing... |
| 16:30.15 | Michaelh | thems smart people |
| 16:31.28 | [dmp] | KR: i guess so. Its just abit frustrating. Having 3 half good projects, instead of project that would benefit from those behind the 3.. 3 minds works better than one.. (in my case, anyway) |
| 16:32.08 | KR | no flames here, bud - sounds right to me |
| 16:32.22 | [dmp] | it would more fun for me :) |
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| 16:34.26 | strayer | hi :o) |
| 16:34.31 | KR | maybe a new discussion area on Centrum - get the people who want to run leagues to form a "league commitee" composed of themselves (U, BaDiN, Dark, BB) that will work in conjunction to improve the original league system... |
| 16:34.54 | KR | instead of forking leagues all over |
| 16:35.01 | strayer | KR: it's time for sth. like this |
| 16:35.22 | Michaelh | 3 projects for bzflag? |
| 16:35.26 | KR | strayer - sth? |
| 16:35.40 | KR | and Hi :) |
| 16:35.56 | Michaelh | woohoo it compiled |
| 16:36.11 | strayer | sth > something (I'm soo lazy..hehe) |
| 16:36.18 | KR | g4u Michaelh |
| 16:36.22 | [dmp] | KR: learner got some plans. Not sure if he had any progress (doubt it). In short: new site, integrate everything, everybody is happy. :) |
| 16:36.25 | KR | lol stray |
| 16:37.08 | KR | will it include the KR league??????? :) |
| 16:37.11 | strayer | [dmp]: a site with everything? > do U think that will work? |
| 16:37.13 | Michaelh | 3 projects for ? |
| 16:37.52 | KR | Michaelh - there are like 3 differing league efforts right now - the original, and then new ones peeps are starting |
| 16:38.04 | KR | or have started (IST) |
| 16:38.09 | [dmp] | strayer: Its abit optimistic. But if he can motivate people better than i did (or try to), he sure shall have the chance and my support |
| 16:38.27 | Michaelh | So that's separate from bzflag the game, right? |
| 16:38.34 | KR | dmp - free beer motivates me... |
| 16:38.36 | Michaelh | Coding websites; etc ? |
| 16:38.55 | KR | yes - its people trying to play matches more often, I guess |
| 16:39.10 | [dmp] | ..or showing they are better :) |
| 16:39.23 | KR | or they want to make their own idea of a league rules |
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| 16:39.36 | KR | shhhh he is back |
| 16:39.44 | KR | thought I smelled something |
| 16:39.44 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:39.49 | KR | :-D |
| 16:39.55 | Death_Barrel | yeah it is your dildo breath |
| 16:39.56 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:39.59 | Death_Barrel | funky monkey |
| 16:40.19 | strayer | a little imp |
| 16:40.33 | strayer | ;) |
| 16:40.39 | KR | your dad is now starting to give me a hard time when I see him on bzflag.... c what u started??? |
| 16:41.56 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:42.01 | Death_Barrel | KR he thinks it is funny |
| 16:42.02 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 16:42.07 | KR | so Dark Samurai is simply wanting to renew the IST tournament series, right? |
| 16:42.25 | Death_Barrel | lets shoot for this weekend strayer |
| 16:42.44 | Death_Barrel | the past weekend was not that good for me |
| 16:43.05 | strayer | hm...dunno if I will be at home then |
| 16:43.08 | Death_Barrel | KR: no he wants to do it in like a scheduled event |
| 16:43.20 | Death_Barrel | i went ahead and signed us up for it |
| 16:43.28 | Death_Barrel | sounds stupid but we will see |
| 16:43.44 | Death_Barrel | i don't see the point in having another IST |
| 16:44.01 | Death_Barrel | strayer: that is fine...we will get to it eventually :) |
| 16:44.14 | Death_Barrel | strayer: i also wanted to do a guest book page |
| 16:44.28 | KR | good post on league site strayer |
| 16:44.31 | Death_Barrel | strayer: but there is no rush on that |
| 16:45.35 | strayer | KR: thx...but nobody added a comment since 24 hours....that is quite a lot for an INet-comment ;o) |
| 16:45.49 | KR | I just saw it will post to it |
| 16:46.04 | strayer | Death_Barrel: hm...a guestbook > perl-CGI or PHP...what do U want? |
| 16:46.23 | strayer | KR: oh...it's not a must of course...hehe |
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| 16:53.44 | Death_Barrel | strayer: maybe perl-CGI or php, i like both |
| 16:53.54 | Death_Barrel | strayer: i am more of a perl man myself |
| 16:55.35 | strayer | no problem...so U have two possibilities...write one yourself or use one of the existing guestbooks an adapt it > I know Perl but not that good like PHP :o) |
| 16:55.44 | Death_Barrel | strayer: i would also like to setup a HoW Forum, but i have not clue to that one....i have asked around on how to do it and got nothing |
| 16:56.10 | Death_Barrel | strayer: we can use php, it really doesn't matter to me |
| 16:56.39 | strayer | [dmp]: is there a discussion in the BZFlag Centrum too? (or do U mean the 2nd one under 'BZ Bizness'?) |
| 16:57.23 | [dmp] | strayer: the one under "bz biz" |
| 16:57.28 | Death_Barrel | strayer: had to get rid of 3 players on HoW :( |
| 16:57.47 | Death_Barrel | crash and mirella: never see them anymore :( |
| 16:57.58 | Death_Barrel | but they will go into the HoW Hall of Fame :) |
| 16:58.03 | strayer | hm...who is the 3rd one? |
| 16:58.07 | Death_Barrel | that is another page i want to make |
| 16:58.16 | [dmp] | Death_Barrel: use some premade forum, like phorum.org, phpbb, wowbb, whatever.. |
| 16:58.23 | Death_Barrel | Killer C had to quit cause he is studying law |
| 16:58.28 | Death_Barrel | has no time anymroe for it |
| 16:58.32 | Nidhoggr | www.xoops.org :) |
| 16:58.35 | strayer | Death_Barrel: guestbook > it's Ur decision if U wanna use Perl or PHP > U have to do both...I can only assist :) |
| 16:58.40 | Nidhoggr | xoops is pretty darn cool. |
| 16:59.06 | strayer | Death_Barrel: forum....I prefer the same forum we have in the BZFlag Centrum....easy to handle and it works :o) |
| 16:59.09 | Death_Barrel | strayer: that is fine :) i will probabally use perl |
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| 16:59.36 | Death_Barrel | dmp: i like the phpbb, but have no clue how to get the forum setup |
| 17:00.07 | strayer | ever heared of readme-files ;) |
| 17:00.13 | Death_Barrel | yes |
| 17:00.19 | Death_Barrel | but can't find any |
| 17:00.25 | Death_Barrel | have looked and looked |
| 17:00.28 | Death_Barrel | read and read |
| 17:00.36 | Death_Barrel | but never seen anything aobut forums |
| 17:00.38 | strayer | hm?....everything is written down...I read it... |
| 17:00.54 | [dmp] | yeah, i remember phpbb as quite easy to install |
| 17:01.00 | Death_Barrel | i am sure there is, but i just don't know where |
| 17:01.18 | Death_Barrel | where do i get it from dmp? |
| 17:01.32 | strayer | Nidhoggr: do U really think that this is what we need? |
| 17:01.32 | [dmp] | phpbb.org i think |
| 17:01.35 | Death_Barrel | ok |
| 17:01.56 | Death_Barrel | i will look, but that is not my highest priority for the HoW site |
| 17:02.13 | Death_Barrel | ok guys |
| 17:02.17 | Death_Barrel | i got some work to do |
| 17:02.28 | Death_Barrel | bbl |
| 17:02.51 | strayer | cu Death_Barrel |
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| 17:03.28 | strayer | Death_Barrel: btw...what is Ur highest priority? |
| 17:04.31 | [dmp] | just for the fun of it :) |
| 17:05.12 | KR | do it, you have permission to use my IP ;) |
| 17:05.17 | KR | lol |
| 17:05.26 | KR | ther is no SCO IP in my IP, BTW |
| 17:05.41 | KR | D-B - mirella was on educati this morning |
| 17:05.46 | Death_Barrel | strayer: probabally the team pics page |
| 17:05.52 | Death_Barrel | and the guest book |
| 17:06.09 | Death_Barrel | KR: yes but i never see him |
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| 17:06.39 | Death_Barrel | it sucks because mirella is in italy and i am in texas |
| 17:07.16 | Death_Barrel | bbl |
| 17:07.59 | strayer | KR: EDUCATI > nice word |
| 17:08.20 | KR | thats what newbies get when they show up there, eh? |
| 17:08.26 | KR | lol |
| 17:08.28 | strayer | it combines education and ducati > sports and knowledge |
| 17:08.56 | KR | dict educati |
| 17:09.09 | [dmp] | ~dict educati |
| 17:09.14 | [dmp] | =) |
| 17:09.20 | KR | lol |
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| 17:09.38 | KR | ibot sent me a PM saying "someone said that 0 secs ago" |
| 17:09.40 | | KR: are you using Windows? |
| 17:09.47 | KR | no ibot |
| 17:09.55 | KR | ~lart ibot |
| 17:09.59 | KR | lol |
| 17:10.11 | strayer | hehe |
| 17:10.38 | KR | ii peeps on league site now |
| 17:10.42 | KR | 11... |
| 17:12.44 | strayer | that happens from time to time.. :o) |
| 17:13.40 | [dmp] | "I think your homepage is genius, and im mad that i didnt find it. But I find it confusing" .. what to reply? genius == chaos == confusing? :-) |
| 17:17.51 | strayer | hm...who the hell wrote that? (I hope it wasn't me...but I cannot remember...lol) |
| 17:18.17 | KR | heres an idea to play with - how about script generated, random team rosters that would assign new teammates to each other monthly? Using *active team* team members. Team captains could let you know whether certain players (inactive ones) could be excluded. |
| 17:18.44 | KR | lol dmp - that is one confusing message |
| 17:18.48 | [dmp] | strayer: a dane :) |
| 17:18.50 | strayer | hm...even active teams have inactive players |
| 17:19.06 | [dmp] | KR: how to judge if a player is active? |
| 17:19.07 | KR | yes - the team capts could let dmp know who is inactive |
| 17:19.24 | Chestal | we need team managers and a market for players ;-) |
| 17:19.31 | [dmp] | yeah :) |
| 17:19.38 | [dmp] | and setup some bet-thingy :) |
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| 17:19.46 | [dmp] | 2:1 that we beat HoW :-) |
| 17:19.47 | Chestal | a team would have to offer some goodies,or the good players will leave it |
| 17:19.50 | strayer | [dmp]: does this tell me anything about the danish common people? :) |
| 17:20.00 | [dmp] | strayer: No :) |
| 17:20.59 | strayer | Chestal: what kinda goodies? |
| 17:21.08 | [dmp] | KR: Im not sure what your idea would do? What does it solve? |
| 17:21.14 | [dmp] | strayer: beer. |
| 17:21.18 | [dmp] | :) |
| 17:21.20 | strayer | yeahhh |
| 17:21.23 | KR | winners on front page of league site - ie; bragging rights |
| 17:21.30 | Chestal | strayer: money ;-) |
| 17:21.41 | KR | or money, that works.. :) |
| 17:21.57 | [dmp] | Beer! Im sure that daBomb is with me on that one |
| 17:22.03 | strayer | Chestal: U will vreate a special fond for this? ;) |
| 17:22.08 | KR | except for that whole $ to EU conversion thingy.. |
| 17:22.29 | [dmp] | and those countries that dosnt use EU |
| 17:22.45 | KR | dmp - the idea would just make for more match playing within the established league |
| 17:23.10 | KR | also, would help newbies learn match strategy, etc |
| 17:23.29 | strayer | well...I take every currency |
| 17:23.29 | [dmp] | If I leave TDS i would properly join a new team |
| 17:23.45 | KR | no rubdowns if you leave... |
| 17:23.49 | KR | :) |
| 17:23.58 | KR | until after TDS, of course |
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| 17:24.13 | [dmp] | But having new teams every month dosnt give much time to learn teamplay with your teammates |
| 17:24.22 | elscouta | hi |
| 17:24.26 | strayer | right |
| 17:24.30 | strayer | hi elscouta |
| 17:24.51 | KR | ok then, bi-monthly - but - it would give nebies experience with experienced players |
| 17:24.54 | Chestal | [dmp]: if not, send them over here |
| 17:25.21 | KR | on a sidenote - SCO is tanking - :-D - http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=1d&l=on&z=m&q=l&c= |
| 17:25.28 | KR | down over a dollar |
| 17:25.31 | [dmp] | Well.. I guess Im gonna have the rubdowns, so she shouldn t care. |
| 17:25.47 | strayer | hm... :) |
| 17:25.49 | larsl | Hm, gravitywaves isn't listed on the list server - but the server is still running. |
| 17:25.49 | KR | you have to, its a team thing... |
| 17:26.00 | [dmp] | "shutup and go get me a beer" |
| 17:26.03 | KR | take a rubdown for the team! |
| 17:26.08 | [dmp] | that would work, i guess :) |
| 17:26.10 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 17:26.14 | KR | its better than getting shot for the team |
| 17:26.14 | [dmp] | All for the team ! |
| 17:26.17 | Chestal | larsl: just like the real gravity waves, they might be there, but noone can see them :-) |
| 17:26.22 | strayer | have to leave this serious discussion....bye :o) |
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| 17:26.39 | larsl | Can't connect to it either. |
| 17:27.12 | larsl | And bzfs is eating 99.2 % of my CPU time. =P |
| 17:27.22 | Nidhoggr | eek! |
| 17:28.21 | larsl | Does the list server have some kind of history, so I can see when my server stopped responding? |
| 17:29.12 | Chestal | nope, but maybe one of the server list/stats pages lists downtime? I don't think so, though |
| 17:29.12 | Tupone | 1.10? no |
| 17:29.41 | larsl | I have lots of these in the end of the log: |
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| 17:30.06 | larsl | 2003-12-07 16:12:34: Player LiL dOg [MAG] [1] uread() 12.230.35.179:1468 len 47 from XX.XXX.XX.XXX:1468 on 4 |
| 17:30.31 | larsl | Bah, I wanted to mask both IPs. |
| 17:31.03 | larsl | Could it be someone connecting with an older 1.9 client? Would that break the server? |
| 17:33.07 | larsl | Can't even kill bzfs, it went zombie. |
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| 17:49.10 | [dmp] | ~dict facultative |
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| 17:50.33 | [dmp] | ~dict imperative |
| 17:56.02 | larsl | ~gw |
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| 18:06.33 | Tupone | larsl: there was an issue like you said with 1.9.3 and earlier IIRC |
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| 18:16.30 | larsl | Restarted bzfs, now it's eating 99.9% CPU (although no one is connected). |
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| 18:25.20 | Death_Barrel | back from lunch :) |
| 18:25.23 | Death_Barrel | man i am full |
| 18:25.27 | Death_Barrel | dang mexican food |
| 18:26.16 | Death_Barrel | [dmp] , kr you guys still here? |
| 18:27.06 | rooter | mexican makes me slow |
| 18:27.24 | Death_Barrel | hehe |
| 18:27.26 | Death_Barrel | hi root |
| 18:27.33 | Noodleman | mmmm, enchiladas... |
| 18:27.34 | rooter | hello BB or DB |
| 18:27.47 | Death_Barrel | yeah, i just ate the worst chili relleno i have ever had in my life .... eck |
| 18:28.20 | Death_Barrel | emmmmm, enchiladas |
| 18:28.28 | Death_Barrel | that was one of my choices |
| 18:28.43 | Death_Barrel | i had to flip a coin to see which one i would eat |
| 18:29.01 | Death_Barrel | i should have went with the cheese enchiladas |
| 18:29.08 | larsl | Argh! |
| 18:29.10 | [dmp] | im here |
| 18:29.38 | [dmp] | im out :) |
| 18:29.47 | Noodleman | [dmp]: do you still have the code for the ladder? |
| 18:30.02 | Noodleman | i'd be happy to try and integrate it into stats |
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| 18:30.58 | mmu_man | Noodleman: pong |
| 18:31.05 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 18:31.09 | Death_Barrel | noodle: you do the bz flag shirts and stuff? |
| 18:31.17 | Noodleman | i did one design |
| 18:31.19 | Death_Barrel | ah |
| 18:31.21 | Death_Barrel | i like |
| 18:31.30 | Death_Barrel | i want to get one for christmas :) |
| 18:31.36 | Noodleman | i'm trying to think up another good one :-) |
| 18:31.38 | Death_Barrel | i think i will :) |
| 18:31.52 | Death_Barrel | Noodleman: can i send you a custom design? |
| 18:32.01 | Noodleman | send it to Tim |
| 18:32.04 | Death_Barrel | i would really like to help with it :) |
| 18:32.06 | Death_Barrel | ok |
| 18:32.08 | Noodleman | he's the one that runs the store |
| 18:32.12 | Death_Barrel | ah |
| 18:32.13 | Death_Barrel | ok |
| 18:32.19 | Death_Barrel | i want to make a HoW team shirt |
| 18:32.26 | Death_Barrel | we all should make team shirts |
| 18:32.30 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 18:32.38 | Death_Barrel | that would be really cool |
| 18:32.53 | Death_Barrel | cool, i will start working on it right away :D |
| 18:33.54 | KR | pong2 |
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| 18:45.28 | Death_Barrel | kr=krotch rocket |
| 18:45.40 | Noodleman | haha |
| 18:45.43 | Noodleman | ow |
| 18:45.49 | Noodleman | that would sorta hurt |
| 18:45.54 | Death_Barrel | hehe |
| 18:46.05 | Death_Barrel | i love to build new servers |
| 18:46.08 | Death_Barrel | it is sooooooooo fun |
| 18:46.11 | Nidhoggr | crotch rocket is another name for fast motorcycle, silly. :) |
| 18:46.16 | Death_Barrel | it is the highlight of my day :D |
| 18:46.29 | Nidhoggr | building servers is okay, as long as it's your server. |
| 18:46.33 | Death_Barrel | yeah, it is also the name of KR's : butt |
| 18:46.40 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 18:46.43 | Death_Barrel | nah, i just love to build |
| 18:46.43 | Noodleman | Nidhoggr: learn something new everyday :-) |
| 18:47.11 | Death_Barrel | building is fun....and it makes the time go by fast :D |
| 18:47.15 | Nidhoggr | I need to think about replacing tiphareth.net with a new server at some point. |
| 18:47.26 | Nidhoggr | it's a homebrew 1 RU |
| 18:47.41 | Noodleman | Nidhoggr's a poet and he don't know it |
| 18:47.43 | Nidhoggr | cooling is less than stellar, but I have it in a very cold rack. :) |
| 18:47.49 | Death_Barrel | bbl, have to go pickup some round 24" ide cables |
| 18:47.54 | Nidhoggr | :) |
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| 18:54.45 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
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| 19:01.52 | Nidhoggr | what's up pat? |
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| 19:17.08 | Death_Barrel | back |
| 19:17.20 | Noodleman | don't threaten us! |
| 19:17.36 | *** topic/#bzflag by brlcad -> http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/11/20/bzflag.html || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || beta builds http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || Eve of BZ R-Day... |
| 19:17.51 | Noodleman | 'R'-Day? |
| 19:17.58 | brlcad | Release Day :) |
| 19:18.03 | Noodleman | ooooooh! |
| 19:18.24 | brlcad | Tim: *poke* |
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| 19:21.59 | Noodleman | http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/04/23_resume.html |
| 19:22.15 | Noodleman | i wish people would vote libertarian... |
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| 19:27.11 | brlcad | Noodle, you do stats, no? |
| 19:27.59 | brlcad | What can you tell me about the site's implementation? |
| 19:29.32 | Death_Barrel | http://www.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=bzforums&forumid=1&threadid=487&addpost=1&top=0& |
| 19:29.49 | Death_Barrel | these new leagues are starting to piss me off |
| 19:29.55 | Death_Barrel | lol |
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| 19:32.27 | brlcad | DB, why does your irc client keep resetting the connection? |
| 19:32.50 | Noodleman | brlcad: what do you want to know? |
| 19:33.31 | brlcad | Anything you can tell me.. how it's laid out on disk, what the backend and front end are implemented as, scripts/languages, etc |
| 19:33.42 | Noodleman | ah |
| 19:33.45 | brlcad | php perl |
| 19:33.54 | brlcad | mysql oracle |
| 19:33.55 | brlcad | etc |
| 19:33.56 | Noodleman | well, the frontend is all php, the backend is perl and mysql |
| 19:34.16 | Noodleman | the backend uses the BZFlag::Info module to grab the information |
| 19:34.17 | brlcad | is the style copied or in a template? |
| 19:34.48 | brlcad | how's the navigation handled? |
| 19:34.50 | Noodleman | the webpage has a header and a footer include for |
| 19:34.59 | brlcad | k, that's good |
| 19:35.08 | Noodleman | for? what the heck :-) |
| 19:35.15 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:35.28 | Noodleman | you can go to the bottom of every page and click links to view the source |
| 19:35.44 | Noodleman | and i can send you the backend script if you want it |
| 19:35.48 | brlcad | redesigning the main website, and I want to make sure we can either consolidate efforts, or at least integrate cleanly |
| 19:35.54 | Noodleman | it runs every 2 minutes |
| 19:36.03 | brlcad | ah, cool -- view source would be good |
| 19:36.19 | Noodleman | main website == bzflag.org? |
| 19:36.22 | brlcad | yes |
| 19:36.28 | Noodleman | cool |
| 19:36.34 | brlcad | getting everything into cvs |
| 19:36.44 | brlcad | so that documentation, and what not are all in just one place |
| 19:36.52 | Death_Barrel | brlcad: i am running a proxy here at work and it disconnects me every 15min |
| 19:37.01 | Death_Barrel | srry for the inconvience :D |
| 19:37.08 | brlcad | ah, good to know. ok |
| 19:37.09 | Death_Barrel | it is a stupid winproxy] |
| 19:37.18 | brlcad | yes, that is dumb |
| 19:37.22 | Death_Barrel | once again...srry |
| 19:37.24 | Death_Barrel | :) |
| 19:37.28 | Death_Barrel | i hate it |
| 19:37.31 | Death_Barrel | it really sucks |
| 19:38.04 | Noodleman | what ports can you make outside connections to? |
| 19:39.22 | Death_Barrel | not sure |
| 19:39.28 | Death_Barrel | i don't mess w/ the ports |
| 19:39.37 | Death_Barrel | email: 999 and 25 |
| 19:39.53 | Death_Barrel | and 110 for outgoing connections |
| 19:39.56 | Noodleman | what's 999? |
| 19:40.14 | Death_Barrel | our out of house email port |
| 19:40.20 | brlcad | Noodle, working on a redesign of the site that will be integrated into the build system. aiming for a rather simple setup that will allow most anyone with web abilities to contribute to the site/docs/etc -- and managed/controlled/historied via cvs |
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| 19:40.52 | Death_Barrel | brhb gius |
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| 19:41.19 | Noodleman | brlcad: coolage :-) |
| 19:41.25 | brlcad | hopefully |
| 19:41.33 | squashy | if bzflag is so good, why ain't it popular like the gimp ? |
| 19:41.40 | brlcad | it should already be a major leap over the current main site |
| 19:42.00 | brlcad | squashy, bzflag is one of the most popular open source games |
| 19:42.09 | squashy | ok |
| 19:42.21 | brlcad | if not the most at times |
| 19:43.25 | Noodleman | it's not popular like the gimp, because that's like comparing a monkey with an eagle :-) |
| 19:43.41 | brlcad | Noodle: also hoping/wanting to integrate your stats and the league site(s) |
| 19:43.54 | Noodleman | that'd be cool |
| 19:44.08 | brlcad | bzbb is too standalone, righ tnow, but we'll certainly integrate/link to it |
| 19:45.00 | brlcad | So that's why I was asking.. trying to see how much of a feat it'd be to work with what you've done already :) |
| 19:45.16 | brlcad | is the site relocateable? |
| 19:45.23 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 19:45.43 | Noodleman | i think so :-) |
| 19:45.48 | brlcad | heh :) |
| 19:46.05 | Noodleman | but you never know what kind of monkey business my code monkey skills might pull |
| 19:46.13 | brlcad | but the main deps are with a mysql database, and an outbound connection to talk to servers |
| 19:46.16 | brlcad | anything else? |
| 19:46.28 | Noodleman | BZFlag::Info from CPAN |
| 19:46.41 | brlcad | is that officially in CPAN? |
| 19:46.45 | Noodleman | yes |
| 19:47.08 | brlcad | Is that going to make it's way into cvs? |
| 19:47.09 | brlcad | :) |
| 19:47.31 | Noodleman | i suppose if someone wants to put it in cvs :-) |
| 19:47.39 | brlcad | where is it now? |
| 19:48.14 | brlcad | could you package it up and put it in to sf? |
| 19:48.38 | brlcad | bzflag patches tracker, that is |
| 19:49.18 | Noodleman | it's in CPAN, so anyone could just download it and put it up |
| 19:49.23 | Noodleman | i suppose i could do that |
| 19:50.44 | brlcad | i'm thinking, for long term vitality, it would make sense to integrate with cvs so that it continues to be maintained even if you don't :) |
| 19:50.53 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 19:50.57 | Noodleman | good idea |
| 19:51.18 | Noodleman | it doesn't do 1.10 right now, somebody might want to update it |
| 19:51.28 | Noodleman | just 1.7 |
| 19:51.35 | brlcad | that's fine |
| 19:51.56 | brlcad | just cause it's in cvs won't mean that you have to stop work :) |
| 19:52.08 | Noodleman | how hard would it be to update it to do 1.10? |
| 19:52.49 | brlcad | should be trivial -- protocol is not too different |
| 19:52.56 | Nidhoggr | poor larsl :) |
| 19:53.08 | brlcad | larsl? |
| 19:53.32 | brlcad | larsl, are you poor? |
| 19:53.37 | larsl | Rather. |
| 19:53.44 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:54.25 | brlcad | I have been poping penguin mints non-stop for the past 30 min.. |
| 19:54.32 | larsl | Isn't it time to make a test release for 1.9.10? Or are we really going to release 1.10.0 soon? |
| 19:54.56 | Grumbler | ditto |
| 19:54.58 | Nidhoggr | I heard it was tomorrow :) |
| 19:55.24 | brlcad | I was really expecting to release 1.10 tomorrow |
| 19:55.32 | larsl | I think MAC calculated that date using his psychohistorical skills. =) |
| 19:55.32 | brlcad | at least Mac and I are ready :) |
| 19:55.54 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: you still thinking of updating the dragon.org map?............if so, what to? |
| 19:55.58 | Nidhoggr | I need lunch. |
| 19:56.07 | Nidhoggr | I was considering a rotating server. |
| 19:56.18 | Nidhoggr | brb. |
| 19:57.35 | Noodleman | brlcad: ok, uploaded |
| 19:57.40 | brlcad | How do people feel about putting certain maps into CVS? |
| 19:57.49 | brlcad | Noodleman: :) awesome |
| 19:58.00 | brlcad | Noodleman: do you have cvs access? |
| 19:58.05 | Noodleman | nope |
| 19:58.17 | Grumbler | brlcad: its where i have been putting my finished maps |
| 19:58.32 | brlcad | Grumbler: huh? |
| 19:58.41 | brlcad | who's cvs? |
| 19:58.50 | Grumbler | gah, not cvs, sf |
| 19:58.52 | brlcad | I mean bzflag on sf |
| 19:58.55 | brlcad | ah |
| 19:58.57 | brlcad | k |
| 19:59.38 | Grumbler | brlcad: sf is good enough, cvs is probably overkill, unless you have "test" maps |
| 19:59.58 | brlcad | I'm thinking "official" maps for an auto-generated gallery |
| 20:00.27 | brlcad | sort of like what shell shock had, but automated as much as possible |
| 20:00.30 | Noodleman | you mean, like the all-time beloved super classics? :-) |
| 20:00.40 | brlcad | and then some, yes :) |
| 20:00.52 | larsl | hix.bzw is already in CVS. =) |
| 20:01.04 | brlcad | oh, where? misc/? |
| 20:01.07 | larsl | Yes. |
| 20:01.13 | brlcad | cool |
| 20:01.25 | brlcad | then I'll not be breaking new ground :) |
| 20:01.28 | larsl | A map archive included with the distribution is a good idea. |
| 20:01.32 | brlcad | easier to justivy :) |
| 20:01.46 | brlcad | larsl: indeed.. |
| 20:02.04 | brlcad | if you could scroll through them with the client and select one to play from.. fun stuff |
| 20:02.13 | larsl | Exactly what I was thinking. |
| 20:02.20 | brlcad | especially after ai finally works |
| 20:02.26 | Grumbler | you would need to add default server settings for the maps thought....... |
| 20:02.42 | larsl | Just put them in /usr/share/bzflag/maps or ~/.bzf/maps, and they show up in the server menu in bzflag. |
| 20:03.17 | brlcad | automatic beast "just ..." any day :) |
| 20:03.26 | brlcad | er, s/beast/beats/ |
| 20:04.41 | Noodleman | bbl, shower time |
| 20:05.08 | Grumbler | .......gets back to the idea that the maps should have generic server settting embedded |
| 20:05.32 | larsl | conf and vars and map in the same file? |
| 20:05.49 | Grumbler | yes, just default conf/vars |
| 20:05.59 | brlcad | problem is that server config presently also contains world config options.. we're close to separating the two, which should fix that problem |
| 20:06.16 | brlcad | just need a rewrite of the src/bzfs geometry loaders |
| 20:07.33 | brlcad | something like that |
| 20:07.42 | Grumbler | ok |
| 20:08.40 | brlcad | probably do what you said, and add an actual command line option parser that the geometry loader could register options with so that you could do it either way (command line, config file, or world map file) |
| 20:09.03 | larsl | There is a command line option parser in bzadmin. =) |
| 20:09.16 | brlcad | i noticed.. i liked |
| 20:09.25 | Grumbler | yeah, commandl line parser would override the map defaults...etc |
| 20:09.35 | brlcad | need a libGame to move it into :) |
| 20:09.57 | larsl | Although I felt a bit stupid to write that big general class for just one -ui option. |
| 20:10.51 | Grumbler | .......only if it gets ripped out tomorrow, otherwise its useful |
| 20:11.34 | brlcad | larsl: never feel dumb writing code neatly abstract for potential future exansion! :) |
| 20:11.37 | brlcad | hehe |
| 20:12.04 | brlcad | there's quite a bit of code in bzadmin that I'd like to move into libgame |
| 20:12.24 | brlcad | you probably even have a better idea than I |
| 20:12.32 | larsl | Really? What other parts could be used by the other programs (other than the parser)? |
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| 20:13.44 | larsl | The tab completer might be useful for the bzflag chat line, of course. |
| 20:14.01 | brlcad | your separation of ui and logic was good |
| 20:14.06 | brlcad | and the autocompleter |
| 20:14.21 | brlcad | cursesui too, perhaps |
| 20:15.17 | stibnite | I strive to keep logic out of everything I do |
| 20:16.12 | brlcad | bzadmin gives a good hint to what needs to be moved bzfs and bzflag dirs into a libgame |
| 20:16.21 | larsl | brlcad: Oh yes. =) |
| 20:16.36 | brlcad | like serverlink :) |
| 20:16.44 | brlcad | *cough* |
| 20:17.25 | larsl | Time to sleep - I've been up for 20 hours now. |
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| 20:22.11 | Oman | hi |
| 20:22.19 | brlcad | howdy |
| 20:22.28 | KR | hi o |
| 20:22.39 | Oman | hi KR |
| 20:23.34 | Oman | Kr do you think i am getting better at CTF |
| 20:24.17 | Oman | Guys can you guys tell me what this place is for |
| 20:24.27 | brlcad | this==irc? |
| 20:24.32 | Oman | yeah |
| 20:24.58 | brlcad | this channel is for all matters related to bzflag |
| 20:25.04 | Oman | ok |
| 20:25.06 | Oman | thanks |
| 20:25.09 | brlcad | playing, development, website, planning, etc |
| 20:25.15 | Oman | ok |
| 20:25.36 | Oman | Any one have a comment on bzflag leagues |
| 20:25.40 | Oman | ?? |
| 20:25.55 | Oman | if so why |
| 20:25.58 | brlcad | such as? I find the league matches rather fun :) |
| 20:26.16 | brlcad | i'd like to see better integration into a better league system, though |
| 20:26.24 | Oman | me too |
| 20:26.30 | Grumbler | such as? I have observed more arguments over matches than on any other topic :) |
| 20:26.35 | KR | Oman - yes you are |
| 20:27.00 | KR | matches? matches??? WHY YOU>>>!!!! |
| 20:27.08 | KR | :) |
| 20:27.11 | Oman | thanks KR |
| 20:27.22 | brlcad | matches? we don't need no stinking matches! |
| 20:27.26 | Grumbler | such as? Leagues have spawned more lag issues because of the reliance on 2 shots ;) |
| 20:27.29 | KR | matches are for pyros |
| 20:27.55 | Oman | I want to have better lag control for matches |
| 20:28.03 | brlcad | and pyros are for matches |
| 20:28.20 | KR | so I went to brlcad.org, and there was no brlcad for me to d/l and play with ... :/ |
| 20:28.39 | brlcad | hehe :) |
| 20:28.56 | Oman | Do you guys have any comments on the TEX team |
| 20:29.01 | brlcad | the distribution mechanism for brlcad is archaic |
| 20:29.12 | KR | can I apt-get archaic? |
| 20:29.15 | KR | :) |
| 20:29.22 | brlcad | we've been fighting a political battle to update that to modern times for years now |
| 20:29.31 | Grumbler | ?TEX, never met them........... |
| 20:29.38 | KR | Oman - I have never matched TEX |
| 20:29.45 | brlcad | you can download for, fax it in, and wait two weeks for decryption key archaic :) |
| 20:29.47 | KR | Portugal, right? |
| 20:29.50 | Oman | the first match we played aganisted them for my team we had like 5-0 and then this lag went up |
| 20:29.50 | brlcad | s/for/form/ |
| 20:29.55 | Oman | yes |
| 20:30.11 | brlcad | BzR would love to play TEX .. |
| 20:30.14 | KR | one comment |
| 20:30.19 | KR | they are next to Spain |
| 20:30.21 | Oman | ok |
| 20:30.28 | KR | :) |
| 20:30.42 | KR | they seem to do ok lagwise on regular play tho |
| 20:30.46 | Oman | |||||||||| ||||||||||| |
| 20:30.46 | Grumbler | TEX-MEX without the MEX, and more PORT |
| 20:31.00 | KR | arrr! Port for the Capt and crew!!! |
| 20:31.15 | Grumbler | Pussers for everyone |
| 20:31.30 | KR | ooooohhh - you hit my sweet rum-spot |
| 20:31.40 | KR | Painkiller #4's, all around |
| 20:31.52 | Oman | here comes death trailer watch out for the spikes |
| 20:32.00 | KR | Oman - if lag starts to spike during a match, bring it up |
| 20:32.19 | KR | its best to play warm-up for a bit before match start, tho, and look for lag priobs then |
| 20:32.28 | KR | probs |
| 20:32.33 | KR | problems |
| 20:32.33 | Grumbler | would be nice to have a graphical representation of lagstats for all during a match |
| 20:32.36 | Oman | they seen it i don't didn't know what to do when it happened |
| 20:32.48 | KR | u were the lagger? |
| 20:32.53 | Oman | No |
| 20:32.53 | KR | tsk tsk |
| 20:32.56 | Oman | they where |
| 20:32.57 | KR | :) |
| 20:33.31 | Oman | did this conversaition pretty much start when i got here |
| 20:33.33 | KR | well, if it becomes enough of a prob, the referee should notice it , or it will be apparent to all |
| 20:33.58 | brlcad | how high was the lag? |
| 20:34.01 | Oman | well there was no ref |
| 20:34.06 | KR | IRC is like an ongoing conversation, topic changes all the time |
| 20:34.10 | brlcad | if it goes over 250, the match is supposed to be cancelled |
| 20:34.11 | Oman | 2000-3000's |
| 20:34.18 | KR | whoa - thats big |
| 20:34.25 | Oman | i know |
| 20:34.27 | brlcad | that's 2-3 seconds |
| 20:35.08 | brlcad | if that was more than a 30-60 seconds or so, the match should have been cancelled |
| 20:35.10 | KR | if it gets that bad, call the match over, r try a restart maybe |
| 20:35.27 | Oman | we did then we lost |
| 20:35.33 | brlcad | who was the ref? |
| 20:35.39 | Oman | no ref |
| 20:35.40 | KR | did lag go high during second match? |
| 20:35.42 | Oman | just the teams |
| 20:35.43 | brlcad | tsk |
| 20:35.53 | Oman | no just the first |
| 20:36.06 | brlcad | should always have a ref that is not on either team |
| 20:36.16 | brlcad | I don't remember the rules if one is "required" |
| 20:36.28 | [dmp] | brlcad: We normally dont use a ref, unless somebody drops by and ask if they want to be. |
| 20:36.37 | Oman | well some thimes htere is no ref on |
| 20:36.48 | KR | well, unless you were just beating the pants off of them in the first match, then they beat you fair and square it sounds like |
| 20:37.06 | KR | Oman - I will ref if you need one, just ask |
| 20:37.15 | KR | check here |
| 20:37.34 | Oman | do you have a hotmail of a msn e-mail |
| 20:37.44 | KR | blech - no :) |
| 20:38.10 | KR | but usually you can find someone on here who will ref for you probably |
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| 20:38.24 | Oman | ok |
| 20:38.35 | Oman | hi tupone |
| 20:38.50 | Tupone | hi Oman |
| 20:39.27 | Oman | anything else on the topic |
| 20:39.37 | Grumbler | buon pomeriggio |
| 20:39.49 | KR | mm sounds delicious, Grumbler |
| 20:39.53 | Oman | LOL |
| 20:39.59 | brlcad | howdy tupone |
| 20:40.09 | Tupone | read Mac mail? |
| 20:40.13 | brlcad | yes :) |
| 20:40.16 | brlcad | loved it! |
| 20:40.20 | Grumbler | hey, english is getting boring, need to start picking up other languages |
| 20:40.22 | Tupone | me too |
| 20:40.33 | brlcad | see topic? :) |
| 20:40.43 | Tupone | Yeap |
| 20:40.51 | Oman | English is just fine for me |
| 20:41.10 | Tupone | what's Tim dictat? |
| 20:41.21 | brlcad | Tim is silent still.. |
| 20:41.33 | Tupone | like Xmas |
| 20:41.36 | brlcad | Tim: *poke* *poke* |
| 20:42.01 | Oman | oops sry guys let a bomb go off in tims shirt |
| 20:42.04 | Grumbler | brlcad: try "LAST CALL!!!!".......might work better |
| 20:42.27 | Tupone | brlcad: Mac is from MD too? |
| 20:42.39 | brlcad | yes |
| 20:42.50 | brlcad | Are we not ready to release? |
| 20:42.58 | Grumbler | yes, but we are trying to exile him to WV |
| 20:43.37 | KR | lol a fate worse than death |
| 20:44.20 | brlcad | WV is beautiful this time of year :) |
| 20:44.35 | brlcad | I'd love to be exiled there if someone paid all my bills :) |
| 20:45.04 | KR | qualify that : WV is beautiful *to visit* this time of year :) |
| 20:45.56 | brlcad | ever been down the "Technology Corridor" on I69 south?S |
| 20:46.06 | Grumbler | WV is always beautiful........so long as you dont stay over an old coal mine |
| 20:46.07 | KR | actually, went through there about a month and a half ago, just as the leave were changing - it was bootiful; |
| 20:46.30 | Tupone | I'm thinking it's time to put a tag (1.10.0rc) and open a branch 1.10. Tim, can we go? |
| 20:46.31 | Grumbler | brlcad: no, not lately |
| 20:46.32 | KR | nopers on the TechCorr |
| 20:46.40 | brlcad | the state sen, unloaded millions into part of the state.. now's it's almost as yuppy as some of the neighborhoods here in md |
| 20:46.56 | Oman | bye |
| 20:47.03 | KR | bye O |
| 20:47.05 | Grumbler | cafe latte, with moonshine........sounds about right |
| 20:47.09 | KR | lol |
| 20:47.43 | Tupone | oh so Tim, we go, I'll do it |
| 20:47.49 | Tupone | j/k |
| 20:47.58 | brlcad | there's a great little coffee house in downtown baltimore that serves those.. |
| 20:48.05 | brlcad | "Ze Mean Bean" |
| 20:48.17 | brlcad | coffee with an atitude |
| 20:48.21 | brlcad | and alcohol |
| 20:48.31 | Tupone | what's atitude? |
| 20:49.14 | Grumbler | ~dict attitude |
| 20:49.33 | brlcad | ~translate en it attitude |
| 20:50.14 | KR | the match Oman refereed to - looks like they lost it 5-4 |
| 20:50.16 | Tupone | does not ring any bell |
| 20:50.25 | KR | refereed/refered |
| 20:50.30 | KR | lol reffered |
| 20:50.34 | KR | i give up |
| 20:51.04 | Grumbler | KR: put the irish coffee down, and step away from the terminal |
| 20:51.28 | KR | ~lart KR |
| 20:51.54 | brlcad | heh, yay.. i new larting |
| 20:52.06 | brlcad | a no spell right |
| 20:52.12 | Grumbler | where is JB when you need'em |
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| 21:05.13 | brlcad | heya spiff |
| 21:05.31 | Spiff_ | Hi. :-) |
| 21:05.35 | brlcad | moved yet? |
| 21:05.56 | Spiff_ | Noperz.. not yet. I'm just busy now-a-days. :) |
| 21:07.06 | Spiff_ | Arg.. what's the ghost command again? |
| 21:07.26 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.38 | Spiff_ | nAha.. doh. |
| 21:07.43 | Spiff_ | n/msg nickserv help ghost |
| 21:07.53 | Spiff_ | Stupid n. :) |
| 21:08.01 | brlcad | n/yea.. just don't feed your password with the "n" :) |
| 21:08.45 | Spiff_ | Oddly enough.. I haven't played BZ for ages.. and I still use that n sometimes. |
| 21:08.56 | Spiff_ | Bad habbits die hard. :| |
| 21:09.06 | Spiff_ | GHOST |
| 21:09.08 | Spiff_ | Hmmpf. |
| 21:09.12 | Spiff_ | ~ghost |
| 21:09.39 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.44 | Spiff | Got it. :) |
| 21:10.18 | Spiff | So.. what's happened in IRC since I left? :) |
| 21:11.03 | brlcad | hopefully we release 1.10 tomorrow |
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| 21:11.31 | sn0w_m0nkey | mornin |
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| 21:12.28 | brlcad | the ist league is under way, I hear, and doing well |
| 21:13.19 | Spiff | Hi m0nkey. :) |
| 21:13.36 | Spiff | Wow... there's actually going to *be* a new release. ;) |
| 21:13.39 | Spiff | Hehe. |
| 21:13.45 | KR | SCOX closed down $1.32 today (almost 8%), slightly more than avg volume, market cap under 210M - hehe, they got a smackdown Fri :-D |
| 21:13.54 | KR | I loooove it |
| 21:13.58 | Nidhoggr | I really want to start using 1.10 |
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| 21:14.11 | Nidhoggr | the bad word filter will make be very happy. |
| 21:14.22 | brlcad | I'd like to move on to 1.10 too, even if there are bugs to weed out |
| 21:14.39 | brlcad | 1.10.1 will fix a lot of problems, probably, but development can get started again |
| 21:15.07 | brlcad | yea, spiff.. there's a client side word filter for all you folks who have clamored for such a beast |
| 21:15.21 | Spiff | That's cool. :) |
| 21:15.21 | brlcad | and a server side one too |
| 21:15.46 | Spiff | Sheesh.. Mel's been idle since 3:30 AM.. last time we talked. ;) |
| 21:16.44 | Spiff | So.. IRC is as dead as ever. :) |
| 21:17.05 | brlcad | Nah, we just got all quiet when you arrived |
| 21:17.39 | Spiff | I feel so special. :) |
| 21:17.51 | brlcad | don't worry.. you are "special" |
| 21:18.09 | Spiff | Well.. enjoy makin' fun of me while ya can.. 'cause after a while there's a good chance I won't be back. :) |
| 21:18.59 | brlcad | no worries here, I do enjoy |
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| 21:19.08 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:20.17 | brlcad | so spiff, how's what's her name? |
| 21:21.38 | Spiff | Which one? :) |
| 21:22.05 | brlcad | ooo.. she'd slap you for that.. |
| 21:22.36 | Spiff | That's the current one. :) |
| 21:24.18 | Spiff | And if you're referring to Mandi, that's long since dead. |
| 21:24.32 | Spiff | :) |
| 21:24.34 | brlcad | ah.. that's she |
| 21:24.42 | brlcad | you killed her? |
| 21:24.45 | Spiff | Did you get my file send thingie? |
| 21:24.52 | brlcad | no, I did not |
| 21:24.54 | Spiff | No.. I killed the relationship. :\ |
| 21:25.17 | brlcad | So.. you're saying she dumped you then :) |
| 21:25.19 | Spiff | Did ya get that one? |
| 21:25.26 | Spiff | Nope.. I dumped her. :| |
| 21:25.49 | Spiff | Oh bah.. one sec. |
| 21:26.29 | brlcad | I'm not sure I can get via irc with firewall nat |
| 21:26.37 | brlcad | e-mail it to me :) |
| 21:26.37 | Spiff | I'm thinkin' ya can't. :) |
| 21:28.37 | Spiff | Sent. :) |
| 21:28.50 | brlcad | ah, purdy |
| 21:28.58 | Spiff | Yep.. and sweet. |
| 21:29.07 | brlcad | cute puffy cheeks |
| 21:29.19 | Spiff | Hehe.. I love that angle of her. :) |
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| 21:33.28 | Oman | hi all |
| 21:34.40 | Oman | Anyone Home |
| 21:34.48 | Spiff | Hello. |
| 21:35.07 | Oman | is that you spacemanspiff |
| 21:35.42 | Spiff | Yes. :) |
| 21:35.58 | Oman | long time no see |
| 21:36.17 | Spiff | Quite true. Busy, busy. My birthday was last weekend.. and the holidays are coming up. :) |
| 21:36.35 | Oman | happy late birthday |
| 21:36.43 | Spiff | Thanks. =) |
| 21:36.49 | Oman | welcome |
| 21:39.09 | Oman | Is the irc chat embeded of the irc chat full size better |
| 21:39.48 | Oman | oops embedded |
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| 21:44.57 | Oman1 | hi |
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| 21:48.12 | brlcad | happy b-day spiff |
| 21:48.16 | brlcad | how many does that make? |
| 21:49.05 | Spiff | Ty. :) |
| 21:49.09 | Spiff | 18... hehe. |
| 21:49.20 | brlcad | ah good times |
| 21:50.31 | Spiff | You betchaz... tho I must admit that I've been more focused on the upcoming move(s) than my birthday. :) |
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| 21:54.36 | Grumbler | glad to see the talk of liquor and wine has stopped :) |
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| 22:01.24 | Spiff | Hi there Bags. :) |
| 22:01.33 | Tupone | g'nite all and expecially to Tim, that will make next day shining. |
| 22:02.56 | Spiff | C-ya Tupone. :) |
| 22:03.04 | Tupone | cya all |
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| 22:08.24 | Spiff | Am I incorrect to assume Grumbler=Koba=Bagheera? |
| 22:08.43 | Grumbler | Spiff: bingo |
| 22:08.59 | Spiff | Ahh.. Ic Ic. |
| 22:09.02 | Spiff | Do I know ya? :) |
| 22:10.33 | brlcad | everyone knows baggy |
| 22:10.40 | Spiff | He said bingo.... |
| 22:10.46 | Spiff | And I asked if I was incorrect. |
| 22:10.59 | Spiff | So one of us is confused.. possibly both of us. :P |
| 22:11.20 | Grumbler | bingo=correct |
| 22:11.53 | brlcad | well.. you are, of course, incorrect to assume anything. but he is who you _presume_. |
| 22:13.12 | Spiff | Ahh... whatever. :P |
| 22:13.16 | Spiff | :) |
| 22:13.39 | Spiff | Good ol' Bagzerz. |
| 22:13.46 | Spiff | :) |
| 22:15.35 | Grumbler | how is the map coming |
| 22:18.55 | Spiff | Map? |
| 22:19.06 | Spiff | Oh my. I forgot about that map. Oops. :| |
| 22:19.07 | Spiff | LoL |
| 22:19.18 | Spiff | I shall find it and finish it for Quol.. :) |
| 22:20.48 | Grumbler | heh |
| 22:21.23 | brlcad | Spiff, how goes the programming? |
| 22:22.07 | Spiff | I've been too busy. :( |
| 22:22.22 | Spiff | Believe it or not.. I think I've been spending maybe three hours a week on my PC. LoL |
| 22:22.29 | Spiff | If even that. |
| 22:23.28 | Spiff | So.. that translates to... I haven't touched VC++ in about four weeks.. maybe a bit more. |
| 22:23.34 | Grumbler | life is grand, eh |
| 22:23.51 | brlcad | All righty.. permission from Dervish to snarf his stuff |
| 22:24.04 | Spiff | You betcha. It's nice to be busy.. for a while anyone. |
| 22:24.09 | Spiff | What is up with Dervish??? |
| 22:24.19 | Spiff | I've sent him tons of e-mail.. and they all come back. |
| 22:28.21 | Noodleman | m00f |
| 22:28.42 | Spiff | m00f Noodleman. :) |
| 22:28.49 | Noodleman | whazzup? |
| 22:29.26 | Spiff | N2m. Surfing usefilm.com.. :) |
| 22:29.35 | Spiff | These nature pics are beauuuuutiful. |
| 22:29.37 | Spiff | 'Sup with you? |
| 22:30.09 | Noodleman | nothing much |
| 22:30.10 | Spiff | :) |
| 22:30.27 | Noodleman | just enjoying my new plasma TV :-) |
| 22:30.35 | Spiff | Oh??? Those are cool. :) |
| 22:30.50 | TimRiker | BZFlag on your plasma TV? |
| 22:31.43 | Noodleman | i'll have to try that... |
| 22:32.02 | Noodleman | but not right now |
| 22:35.28 | purple_cow | brlcad: what are you snarfing? |
| 22:38.41 | Spiff | http://www.usefilm.com/photos/users/18227/gallery/207510.jpg |
| 22:39.06 | Spiff | Doesn't that just make you want to buy several photography outfits? :) |
| 22:42.13 | brlcad | purple_cow: snarfing some of his guides/documentation on tactics, maps, etc |
| 22:42.27 | brlcad | into docbook stuff |
| 22:42.51 | brlcad | he's got some great pics that I'd like to use |
| 22:43.50 | brlcad | TimRiker: are we releasing? |
| 22:43.57 | brlcad | tomorrow? |
| 22:45.15 | Chestal | TimRiker: Badin was asking me to ask you if you could create bit.bzflag.org and make it point to bit.baat.dk |
| 22:46.55 | brlcad | Chestal: what's your take on releasing tomorrow? A pipe dream of mac and I or something reasonably possible? |
| 22:46.57 | Noodleman | Spiff: hey, i can do photos like that |
| 22:47.02 | Noodleman | i just need a sunset :-) |
| 22:47.13 | Noodleman | and a lake of course :-) |
| 22:47.45 | Spiff | LoL Noodleman. :) |
| 22:47.54 | Spiff | Yes, 90% of it is being in the right place at the right time. |
| 22:48.16 | Spiff | But if you get there.. and you only have a disposable camera or something.. you only have about a 50% chance of getting the picture you want. :) |
| 22:48.52 | Noodleman | i've got a $900 digital camera :-) |
| 22:48.53 | Spiff | Hence my "photography outfit" comment. I still need a good manual camera. :) |
| 22:49.07 | Spiff | That'd be a good thing to have. ;) |
| 22:49.11 | Noodleman | i've also got a film SLR |
| 22:49.19 | Noodleman | i don't use it much anymore |
| 22:51.50 | Chestal | brlcad: I haven't tried it for several weeks |
| 22:52.05 | Chestal | brlcad: so my assumption of course is that it will have bugs :-) |
| 22:52.15 | brlcad | that's a fair assumption |
| 22:52.30 | Chestal | and there are the unresolved issues with the bzdb/caching |
| 22:52.37 | brlcad | though it's running as well as g3 for me, + all the new features |
| 22:52.41 | Chestal | you know, those I always was too lazy to write a lengthy text about |
| 22:52.58 | Spiff | I want like an old Nikon F1. :) |
| 22:53.31 | brlcad | the performance penalty should have been driven into the noise with all of the vars that were put into the bzdb cache |
| 22:54.17 | brlcad | but there's certainly much more room for improvement still |
| 22:54.30 | brlcad | I love my old Nikon |
| 22:54.56 | brlcad | FE2 |
| 22:55.04 | brlcad | a great model/design |
| 22:55.43 | Chestal | brlcad: it's more a problem of consistency, both codewise and value wise |
| 22:56.42 | brlcad | Chestal: I think I mostly agree.. do you think it's a problem that should prevent a release? |
| 22:57.14 | brlcad | And I'd be rather interested in hearing about the code/value concerns you have sometime :) |
| 22:57.15 | Chestal | probably not because it does not really affect the users under normal circumstances |
| 23:02.39 | TimRiker | brlcad: need to review recent changes, but it sure feels like release time. thoughts? |
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| 23:03.31 | KR | dawn pic --> http://liquid-epiphany.com/images/836.jpg |
| 23:03.36 | TimRiker | Chestal: send me an email on domain issues, I archive them. I'll add anything people want basically. bit and not bk? ie: bk.bzflag.org ? |
| 23:03.39 | KR | from anchor |
| 23:05.25 | Chestal | TimRiker: he said 'bit'. Why bk? |
| 23:05.42 | Chestal | TimRiker: it's probably best when Badn sens the email himself then |
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| 23:05.53 | brlcad | TimRiker: It feels like release time to me as well. All of the bug issues that I'm aware of that were release critical were resolved. There are still issues with switching out of bzflag and returning apparently, for some users, but I can't reproduce on os x (because you can't switch out). The last change was the larsl's banlisting -- have not tested it personally. The docbook stuff was not intended for this release, of course. |
| 23:06.00 | TimRiker | bitkeeper is often bk.something. |
| 23:06.32 | Chestal | I don't know what bitkeeper is, but I think it's something unrelated :-) |
| 23:07.24 | brlcad | bitkeeper is a bugtracking/patches system -- linux kernel uses it |
| 23:07.26 | KR | hi bzg |
| 23:07.45 | Spiff | Nice pic, KR. :) |
| 23:08.21 | KR | thx |
| 23:08.26 | TimRiker | Chestal: oh.. ok. I thought you were talking about a bitkeeper tree. a machine called bit is fine with me. yeah, have him email me (Tim@Rikers.org) and I'll add it. |
| 23:08.29 | Spiff | Yw. |
| 23:09.25 | orchid | hi |
| 23:09.38 | Spiff | 'lo orchid. :) |
| 23:09.54 | orchid | ahh spiff, wb |
| 23:10.19 | Spiff | Ty. Tho I'm not exactly "back" as such. :) I just had some free time today.. for the first time in a couple of weeks. |
| 23:10.41 | Chestal | hi orchid |
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| 23:21.35 | Chestal | if you could hold back the release for one more week I'd be happy. Then I could do some testgn myself. But I understand if you don't want to wait fo rme, I have been inactive lately anyway |
| 23:22.30 | brlcad | I think Mac would implode. honest. :) |
| 23:25.02 | Chestal | would still be early for xmas :-) |
| 23:29.08 | Chestal | vertically bouncing shots are funny |
| 23:29.15 | Chestal | what format does 'save world' write? |
| 23:29.28 | brlcad | bzw |
| 23:29.35 | brlcad | text |
| 23:30.22 | brlcad | that's a rather useful feature.. I've used it to save a few -cr random ctf maps that I like |
| 23:31.48 | Chestal | has laser or gm been changed? |
| 23:31.54 | brlcad | how so? |
| 23:31.58 | brlcad | yes |
| 23:32.19 | Chestal | there was talk of reducing gm and/or laser range and similiar things |
| 23:32.41 | brlcad | laser now only bounces 100 times instead of 1000 |
| 23:33.15 | brlcad | the latter would kill the server on small maps if it actually approached 1000 segments before killing everyone |
| 23:33.42 | brlcad | not fatally -- just had to wait for server to catch up with all of the communication |
| 23:34.30 | brlcad | I "think" GM range is now default 95% shotlength, but that's configurable, of course |
| 23:35.22 | brlcad | otherwise, I'm not aware of it changing |
| 23:35.39 | Chestal | ok |
| 23:35.45 | Chestal | that fire ring server is funny |
| 23:35.55 | brlcad | hehe, ya :) |
| 23:35.59 | Chestal | it says it uses a modified server, is that still necessary? |
| 23:36.19 | brlcad | i think, in order to get his timings to work right, yes |
| 23:36.19 | Chestal | hmm, evil "poll" variable still exists :-) |
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| 23:37.20 | brlcad | yes.. I know I know.. StateDB needs mods to better support what I was doing, but then it needs a lot of work still.. good plans for 1.11 ;) |
| 23:37.29 | Chestal | but the feature to be able to use gm and sw as world weapons is standard? |
| 23:37.38 | brlcad | yes |
| 23:37.47 | Chestal | I don't think the poll belongs in bzdb at all |
| 23:37.48 | brlcad | you just can't syncronize the shots |
| 23:38.14 | Chestal | what I don't like is the need to use shift/ctrl in observer mode |
| 23:38.21 | Chestal | handling is uch easier in 1.7 IMHO |
| 23:38.49 | brlcad | i never could use it in 1.7, so I wouldn't know the difference.. |
| 23:39.04 | Chestal | in 1.7, simply using the arrow keys let's you turn |
| 23:39.14 | Chestal | with shift you move horizontally, with alt vertically |
| 23:39.42 | Chestal | so the difference is that I now need to use ctrl for turning |
| 23:39.47 | Chestal | arrow keys by itself do nothing |
| 23:40.11 | brlcad | why not let arrows act like they do in the game (forward/reverse, turnR/turnL) and then use a modifier for altitude/horizontal? |
| 23:40.31 | brlcad | that would seem most familiar, to me.. |
| 23:40.36 | Chestal | I assume it has somethign to do with the new key binding system |
| 23:40.42 | brlcad | everyone knows how the tank controls behave |
| 23:41.24 | Chestal | maybe mouse steering in bserver mode would be cool, too? |
| 23:41.28 | brlcad | Hmmm... perhaps the fact that the arrow keys are already bound for in-game use, and the keymgr doesn't know how to deal.. |
| 23:42.30 | Chestal | do the server spawns work reasonably well? What does it take into account? |
| 23:42.36 | brlcad | yea, you should be able to use mouse too.. identical controls |
| 23:42.46 | Chestal | buildings and last known tank positions? |
| 23:43.03 | TimRiker | we need a script that walks the directories looking at CVS/Entries files comparing them with the Makefile.am contents. |
| 23:43.06 | brlcad | the spawn in building problems were all fixed, afaik |
| 23:43.23 | TimRiker | GM is not 95% length. |
| 23:43.27 | brlcad | TimRiker: doesn't make dist do something similar? |
| 23:43.34 | brlcad | oh? |
| 23:43.40 | TimRiker | I'm thinking laser might want to be 95% too actually. |
| 23:43.51 | TimRiker | s/not/now/ |
| 23:44.02 | brlcad | ah, heh |
| 23:44.08 | Chestal | woah, I can set radar shot size to really look ridiculous |
| 23:44.34 | brlcad | yes you can.. the tail too |
| 23:44.41 | brlcad | until you get onto a large map |
| 23:44.49 | brlcad | then they are still not quite enough |
| 23:44.57 | Chestal | what is the point of that option? Thought the shot length already covered all blind people? |
| 23:45.02 | brlcad | it needs to be normalized to the map size, but that'll be a good feature for later |
| 23:45.29 | TimRiker | brlcad: so what should happen with the docbook stuff for release? include it in the tarballs but not use it for the installed documentation? |
| 23:46.02 | brlcad | the tip of the shots are colored differently depending on the weapon.. GM is a slightly pink tip -- players couldn't see blue GM shots very well |
| 23:46.57 | brlcad | TimRiker: sure. or leave it out altogether, whatever is easier. It's still needs a lot of work. |
| 23:47.07 | Chestal | shots are no longer team colored when the option is activated? |
| 23:47.12 | TimRiker | brlcad: make distcheck does some checking but it'll miss things like image and locale files. |
| 23:47.18 | brlcad | they are team colored |
| 23:47.36 | Chestal | hmm, was jsut joining as a red team and my normal shots where white, regardless of the setting |
| 23:47.38 | brlcad | except for the tip, when the tip size is non-zero |
| 23:47.39 | TimRiker | brlcad: but none of the old docs have been removed yet. correct? |
| 23:48.08 | brlcad | yes.. regular shots are white tipped when non-zero |
| 23:48.14 | brlcad | TimRiker: correct |
| 23:49.03 | brlcad | Chestal: it's a new feature.. you can turn it all the way to left to get the previous behavior |
| 23:49.42 | brlcad | otherwise, turning on tipping gives you a white tip for shots (which I've heard people rather like with a little tail) and reddish for gm |
| 23:49.59 | Chestal | brlcad: I see reddish/blinking gm shots |
| 23:50.06 | Chestal | but my shots are all white |
| 23:50.10 | brlcad | blinking? |
| 23:50.16 | Chestal | it doesn#t really bug me, I always turned colored shots off anyway |
| 23:51.32 | brlcad | Chestal: what's your tip and tail sizes (counting from zero)? |
| 23:51.37 | Chestal | the respawn 'plop' is gone? |
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| 23:52.24 | Chestal | brlcad: I tried all kinds of settings - always white |
| 23:52.42 | brlcad | the tip will always be white until it's "turned off" |
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| 23:54.35 | Chestal | both tip and tail are white |
| 23:55.38 | Chestal | I want my plop back |
| 23:55.38 | brlcad | are your own shots supposed to be white? |
| 23:55.48 | Chestal | is this related to servers-side spawnng? |
| 23:55.51 | Chestal | hmm |
| 23:55.56 | Chestal | that could be an explanation |
| 23:56.24 | Chestal | I'll test with bots |
| 23:57.03 | brlcad | hrmm.. loss of the plop is new |
| 23:57.30 | brlcad | keybindings were broken too.. grr |
| 23:57.44 | brlcad | if you drive with keys, you don't stop |
| 23:58.04 | brlcad | I imagine it has sommething to do with the changes made yesterday.. |
| 23:58.42 | brlcad | those can both be fixed by tonight, though.. |
