irclog2html for #bzflag on 20031221

`00:00.59`	`Chestal`	`ehm`
`00:01.04`	`Chestal`	`I wasn't aware that it has been changed`
`00:01.11`	`*** join/#bzflag sussi (~rak64@217-68-182-123.cable.primacom.net)`
`00:01.11`	`Chestal`	`somethign seems to be wrong with MsgGmUpdate`
`00:01.18`	`sussi`	`hi`
`00:01.35`	`learner`	`could be wrong too`
`00:01.36`	`Chestal`	`even with very low overall lag, relocking made the shot do strange things`
`00:01.48`	`sussi`	`Quol_LOTR3: do the server corrections for lag?`
`00:01.55`	`Chestal`	`I haven't looked, I guess GmUpdate also contains pos+speed?`
`00:02.08`	`learner`	`i've noticed a separate problem where it "looks like" it jumps from going one direction to another position going in a different directiono`
`00:02.14`	`Quol_LOTR3`	`sorry sussi?`
`00:02.39`	`sussi`	`i had a qusetion: do the server corrections for lag?`
`00:02.45`	`learner`	`they do not`
`00:02.58`	`Chestal`	`learner: maybe it also was relocking?`
`00:03.09`	`Chestal`	`Quol: enjoyed the movie?`
`00:03.09`	`sussi`	`ahh thx`
`00:03.18`	`learner`	`i thought that two, but it actually jumps to a rather distant position`
`00:03.23`	`learner`	`s/two/too/`
`00:03.38`	`Quol_LOTR3`	`Chestal: was FANTASTIC`
`00:03.48`	`Chestal`	`learner: something is definitely still wrong with GM`
`00:04.27`	`Quol_LOTR3`	`sussi: not sure what you mean - sorry, are you asking me if my servers correct lag...meaning do I have some extra patches on them or someting?`
`00:04.46`	`Patlabor221`	`they don't do lag comps`
`00:04.55`	`Patlabor221`	`when they get a packet they asume it happens right then`
`00:06.49`	`Chestal`	`there also is a minor issue with teamkills I think`
`00:07.18`	`sussi`	`sorry i didnt know about the feature adress a spcific person with q:`
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`01:02.57`	`learner`	`~eat eatme`
`01:03.00`		`ACTION eats eatme and falls over dead`
`01:03.07`	`eatme`	`lol`
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`01:05.50`	`orchid`	`hi jolly`
`01:06.27`	`jolly`	`hey ang :)`
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`01:06.58`	`orchid`	`jolly: you have a new client yet?`
`01:07.36`	`jolly`	`yup`
`01:08.12`	`jolly`	`on the other computer :)`
`01:08.25`	`orchid`	`you have another pc now`
`01:08.30`	`orchid`	`i though you had one?`
`01:08.54`	`orchid`	`m/sg memoserv read 1`
`01:08.57`	`orchid`	`ugh`
`01:09.09`	`jolly`	`well theres my bros and the normal one :)`
`01:09.19`	`jolly`	`my bro came home today though. so he is on his`
`01:09.19`	`orchid`	`my bro isnt normal :)`
`01:09.26`	`jolly`	`lol`
`01:09.32`	`orchid`	`hes a twit`
`01:10.08`	`KR`	`orchid - are you the one who has been telling me to use xchat?`
`01:10.21`	`orchid`	`KR: umm, sure`
`01:10.38`	`KR`	`lol`
`01:10.45`	`orchid`	`KR: i use it & like it, so that should be enough ?`
`01:11.01`	`orchid`	`all the cool kids mimic me :)`
`01:11.11`	`KR`	`I thought we talked about chat clients one day, and you and someone else here were saying it was best`
`01:11.27`	`orchid`	`well its the best graphical one in my opinion`
`01:11.37`	`orchid`	`irssi is pretty good too`
`01:12.15`	`KR`	`grrr - now I have to try another one? ;)`
`01:12.23`	`orchid`	`irssi is text mode`
`01:12.26`	`david_v`	`xchat is THE irc client :)`
`01:12.45`	`david_v`	`and irssi is very handy if you need lightweight stuff`
`01:12.45`	`orchid`	`good to run in /sshscreens and detach from it`
`01:12.57`	`KR`	`maybe it was david_v and orchid then.. :)`
`01:13.02`	`david_v`	`hehe`
`01:13.03`	`orchid`	`ssh/screens*`
`01:13.06`	`KR`	`:)`
`01:13.20`	`david_v`	`i like it... works great. and it's free. what is better than that :)`
`01:13.48`	`david_v`	`free as in GPL:ed beer`
`01:14.24`	`orchid`	`there is a match on my 1.10 server the red barons versus how`
`01:14.33`	`orchid`	`port 59999`
`01:14.46`	`david_v`	`fun match?`
`01:14.49`	`jolly`	`ah really?`
`01:14.56`	`david_v`	`as i understood it they didn't want to match on 1.10 at all...`
`01:14.57`	`jolly`	`i would watch that too :-/`
`01:15.15`	`orchid`	`well theyre matching, and down 2-0 last i looked`
`01:15.30`	`orchid`	`carny/free vs red baron 1 & 2`
`01:16.11`	`KR`	`cool - c ya there`
`01:17.22`	`orchid`	`3-2 how now`
`01:17.42`	`orchid`	`jolly i will give you updates`
`01:17.51`	`orchid`	`jolly: carny just got shot`
`01:17.56`	`orchid`	`jolly: was a rico`
`01:17.59`	`learner`	`heh`
`01:18.36`	`jolly`	`hehe`
`01:18.38`	`jolly`	`:)`
`01:18.40`	`jolly`	`thx`
`01:19.21`	`jolly`	`i told everyone on ducati about the match`
`01:19.25`	`jolly`	`now they all left me :(`
`01:19.29`	`jolly`	`to watch it, waaah`
`01:19.54`	`jolly`	`i have to learn to keep my mouth shut :)`
`01:20.08`	`orchid`	`lol`
`01:20.16`	`orchid`	`jolly: 6-2 how`
`01:20.33`	`jolly`	`how much time is left?`
`01:20.50`	`orchid`	`2 mins`
`01:21.20`	`jolly`	`oh wow`
`01:21.49`	`orchid`	`carny said: ns`
`01:21.54`	`orchid`	`free said: ty`
`01:21.57`	`orchid`	`:)`
`01:22.09`	`jolly`	`lol :)`
`01:28.24`	`orchid`	`gtg, cu all`
`01:28.29`	`learner`	`orchid..`
`01:28.34`	`orchid`	`jolly: bye`
`01:28.35`	`learner`	`did you hear a cheer on capture?`
`01:28.49`	`orchid`	`learner, as observer alot of stuff is no good`
`01:29.34`	`orchid`	`you cant move around so much, the flags werent correct (appeared on the ground in different placers than actual)`
`01:30.21`	`learner`	`okay, thanks`
`01:30.22`	`CIA-1`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): no cheer on capture`
`01:30.49`	`KR`	`I got kicked twice saying UDP wasnt on, tho it was`
`01:30.56`	`orchid`	`but as observer, your not in red or green, so why should you hear a cheer?`
`01:31.01`	`jolly`	`bye bzg`
`01:31.48`	`learner`	`because the audience cheers.. we were the audience.. i remember that working before`
`01:32.22`	`learner`	`lemme see if a i can find a flaggable 1.7`
`01:32.29`	`learner`	`~bzflist17`
`01:34.49`	`orchid`	`gtg , bye`
`01:36.51`	`*** join/#bzflag linuxclub (~linuxclub@62-101-126-233.fastres.net)`
`01:59.28`	`david_v`	`night folks`
`02:12.33`	`*** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-132-25.ADSL.mnsi.net)`
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`02:45.53`	`*** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-53.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)`
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`02:53.32`	`Carnage`	`hey Chikoritia :)`
`02:53.38`	`Tupone`	`good! get for me too`
`02:54.18`	`Chikorita`	`hey Carthage :)`
`02:54.32`	`Chikorita`	`hey Tuponia`
`02:54.35`	`Carnage`	`its The Red Carnage3`
`02:54.37`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`02:55.15`	`Carnage`	`they arnt a half bad team eigher`
`02:55.35`	`KR`	`ssshhhh some people are trying to sleep`
`02:55.51`	`Tupone`	`hi Chiko`
`02:55.51`	`\|tim\|`	`lol`
`02:56.32`	`Carnage`	`lol kr`
`02:57.56`	`Carnage`	`OMG OMG OMG`
`02:58.10`	`Rum`	`MMmmm.. pistachios`
`02:58.21`	`Carnage`	`BBL`
`02:58.36`	`Carnage`	`going to watch 8 krazy nights :)`
`02:58.48`	`KR`	`mmm Rum`
`02:59.02`	`Rum`	`mmm Tequila`
`02:59.24`	`KR`	`mmmm Haggis`
`03:01.28`	`Chikorita`	`8 krazy nites?`
`03:01.46`	`Chikorita`	`iz dat da movie wif Harrison Ford`
`03:02.25`	`Chikorita`	`ah hes a pilot an he crashes on dis island an hes stranded wif dis girl`
`03:02.34`	`\|tim\|`	`i thought it was the animated movie`
`03:02.41`	`\|tim\|`	`with adam sandlers voice`
`03:02.53`	`Chikorita`	`ooH`
`03:02.56`	`Chikorita`	`hmm`
`03:03.27`	`Chikorita`	`yea i think ur right timmay`
`03:03.33`	`Chikorita`	`nvrmnd`
`03:03.37`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`03:03.40`	`\|tim\|`	`:)`
`03:03.52`	`Chikorita`	`tim tim`
`03:03.55`	`Chikorita`	`:)`
`03:04.10`	`Chikorita`	`ok itz 10pm whers ski ums`
`03:04.16`	`*** join/#bzflag ski (ski@pool-151-201-45-251.pitt.east.verizon.net)`
`03:04.20`	`Chikorita`	`LoL`
`03:04.23`	`ski`	`hello`
`03:04.26`	`Chikorita`	`skiiibeeee`
`03:04.27`	`\|tim\|`	`that was weird`
`03:04.31`	`ski`	`wha?`
`03:04.37`	`\|tim\|`	`http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=family-guy.springfield.ru/foto/wallpapers/quagmire1024x768.jpg&imgrefurl=http://family-guy.springfield.ru/foto/wallpapers/wallpapers.htm&h=768&w=1024&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dquagmire%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8`
`03:04.39`	`\|tim\|`	`dack`
`03:04.39`	`Chikorita`	`i was jus sayin LoL`
`03:04.42`	`KR`	`lo ski`
`03:04.48`	`ski`	`hi KR`
`03:05.02`	`\|tim\|`	`wrong box`
`03:05.09`	`KR`	`que pasaaaaa`
`03:05.14`	`ski`	`KR...haavent seen your server up on v1.10 list lately`
`03:05.37`	`ski`	`anyone seen DB?>`
`03:05.43`	`KR`	`yeah - been playing with some new distros, trying to find a new Linux home :)`
`03:05.47`	`\|tim\|`	`i think he's still having car trouble`
`03:05.48`	`Chikorita`	`ski: not yet`
`03:05.57`	`\|tim\|`	`I don't think he got the message`
`03:06.08`	`KR`	`will probably have it back up in a few days`
`03:06.15`	`ski`	`cool`
`03:06.54`	`ski`	`seen death barrel`
`03:07.04`	`KR`	`I can put it up, tho, if you'd like - done using the lappy as a tool :)`
`03:07.07`	`ski`	`~death barrell`
`03:07.11`	`Chikorita`	`~seen Death_Barrel`
`03:07.13`		`death_barrel <clx@gss-tech.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 11h 35m 21s ago, saying: 'brb'.`
`03:07.18`	`ski`	`thanks`
`03:07.19`	`ski`	`lol`
`03:07.28`	`Chikorita`	`~Big_Barrel`
`03:07.29`		`hmm... big_barrel is not little_barrel`
`03:07.30`	`ski`	`2 days ago!..lol`
`03:07.36`	`Chikorita`	`~Big Barrel`
`03:07.38`		`rumour has it, big barrel is a big butt!`
`03:07.44`	`Chikorita`	`~seen Big Barrel`
`03:07.44`		`Chikorita: i haven't seen 'big barrel'`
`03:07.52`	`Chikorita`	`okies`
`03:07.57`	`\|tim\|`	`DM said he was havin' car trouble`
`03:08.03`	`ski`	`ah`
`03:08.08`	`Chikorita`	`inot: botsnack eclair`
`03:08.12`	`ski`	`well we can give hime a few`
`03:08.18`	`Chikorita`	`ibot: botsnack eclair`
`03:08.18`		`aw, gee, Chikorita`
`03:08.24`	`ski`	`otherwise i guess we start w/o hjim`
`03:08.33`	`\|tim\|`	`I'll log it and give it to him`
`03:08.42`	`ski`	`sounds good`
`03:09.09`	`KR`	`~lart ski`
`03:09.16`	`KR`	`hehe`
`03:09.19`	`ski`	`OW!!`
`03:09.21`	`ski`	`lol`
`03:09.24`	`Chikorita`	`~KR`
`03:09.25`		`hmm... kr is Korea (South)`
`03:09.31`	`ski`	`you lucky i dont know how to do that`
`03:09.39`	`ski`	`~ski`
`03:09.40`		`from memory, ski is allright.`
`03:09.44`	`Chikorita`	`lol`
`03:09.45`	`ski`	`:):)`
`03:09.47`	`KR`	`~lart Chikorita`
`03:09.48`	`ski`	`:P`
`03:09.49`	`Chikorita`	`~Chikorita`
`03:09.51`		`[chikorita] a member of Team USA and a really sweet gal`
`03:09.53`	`\|tim\|`	`~\|tim\|`
`03:09.55`		`extra, extra, read all about it, \|tim\| is the length of the absolute value of the one called tim`
`03:10.03`	`ski`	`~lart KR`
`03:10.07`	`ski`	`lol`
`03:10.16`	`KR`	`hmm i bot forgot the "but shee kant spel" part`
`03:10.28`	`Chikorita`	`hmmpf`
`03:10.28`	`\|tim\|`	`lol`
`03:10.39`	`Chikorita`	`~lart KR`
`03:10.50`	`Chikorita`	`duz it change everytime u do dat?`
`03:10.54`	`KR`	`~lart Chikorita`
`03:10.54`	`Chikorita`	`~lart KR`
`03:11.08`	`KR`	`~lart ibot`
`03:11.10`	`ski`	`~lart KR`
`03:11.17`	`KR`	`ooooh thats a bad one!`
`03:11.18`	`ski`	`OMG!!`
`03:11.19`	`Chikorita`	`ok enuff larting`
`03:11.20`	`ski`	`lol`
`03:11.35`	`ski`	`i love ibot`
`03:11.36`	`Chikorita`	`heh`
`03:11.46`	`Chikorita`	`ibot iz kewl`
`03:11.47`		`Chikorita: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about`
`03:11.52`	`KR`	`ibot love ski`
`03:11.55`		`If you love ski so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)`
`03:11.59`	`\|tim\|`	`lol`
`03:12.04`	`Chikorita`	`lol ibot`
`03:12.04`	`ski`	`it?`
`03:12.06`	`ski`	`lol`
`03:12.13`	`KR`	`ski is it`
`03:12.24`	`ski`	`heh`
`03:12.33`	`KR`	`ski - try Linux yet?`
`03:14.17`	`Chikorita`	`y do peeple make such a fuss over an OS?`
`03:14.33`	`Chikorita`	`jus go wif wut works best 4 u`
`03:15.00`	`ski`	`not yet...still using my old PC :(`
`03:15.02`	`KR`	`heh - Chik - I am doing a reinstall for a friend of his win98`
`03:15.20`	`Chikorita`	`win98SE yay`
`03:15.24`	`Chikorita`	`dats wut i use`
`03:15.30`	`KR`	`I put Linux on, it took 10 minutes start to finish`
`03:15.43`	`Chikorita`	`ok`
`03:15.45`	`Chikorita`	`an?`
`03:15.53`	`KR`	`I am putting win98 on, it is an hour, and I just now have booted it the firsttime`
`03:16.10`	`Chikorita`	`hmm`
`03:16.17`	`KR`	`I still have to install soundcard and drivers, NIC and drivers, etc etc, then all the software...`
`03:16.18`	`Chikorita`	`buh win98 has more stuff , duznt it?`
`03:16.27`	`KR`	`no not at all`
`03:16.43`	`Chikorita`	`i c`
`03:16.45`	`Chikorita`	`wel`
`03:16.58`	`DTRemenak`	`kr: what kind of machine is it?`
`03:17.07`	`Chikorita`	`wen u install programs , u hafta convert everything so it can b used on linux , yes?`
`03:17.10`	`KR`	`the Linux distro I am using has like 500 programs or something - took about 20 minutes`
`03:17.12`	`DTRemenak`	`I've never seen 98 take more than 40 mins to install, and that was a p-100`
`03:17.22`	`KR`	`P3 500`
`03:17.24`	`Chikorita`	`lol DTR , yup`
`03:17.45`	`KR`	`the time includes formatting a 20G hd`
`03:17.50`	`DTRemenak`	`ah`
`03:17.55`	`KR`	`which both OS had to do`
`03:17.56`	`Chikorita`	`Win98SE duznt take dat long really to install ..u can do a custom install an skipp all da stuff u dunt need`
`03:17.58`	`DTRemenak`	`fat is so slow...`
`03:19.26`	`DTRemenak`	`chik: but it doesn't let you skip everything you don't need. I'd just as soon not install IE ;)`
`03:20.21`	`KR`	`I stripped out a lot of stuff win wanted to install by default\`
`03:21.20`	`Chikorita`	`i used ta prefer Netscape over IE ..buh i really dunt care wut browser i use , as long as it works an wifout ads`
`03:21.44`	`KR`	`chik - try Firebird browser - its cool :)`
`03:22.20`	`DTRemenak`	`kr: I've found that fb is pretty unstable (both 0.6 and 0.7). I'm a suite guy ;)`
`03:22.37`	`Chikorita`	`honestly ive used WIn98SE for along time now an not had any probs wif it ...`
`03:22.51`	`Chikorita`	`same thing wif IE`
`03:23.43`	`DTRemenak`	`lol, only if you don't consider BSODs problems (ducks)`
`03:23.48`	`Chikorita`	`im no fan of bill gates ..i would use anutha OS an browser ,,,if only da options had stuff on da market for it`
`03:24.29`	`Chikorita`	`most software out on da market iz either for Windows or Mac`
`03:24.46`	`DTRemenak`	`I must admit, I'd spend a lot more time in <insert non-crappy os here> if game developers would get thier act together`
`03:25.17`	`Chikorita`	`an i heard Linux was difficult 2 use for peeple who dunt work wif computers`
`03:25.23`	`DTRemenak`	`OpenOffice and Mozilla have me taken care of as far as productivity goes`
`03:25.49`	`Chikorita`	`wut r BSODs problems?`
`03:26.23`	`DTRemenak`	`it depends what you define as use...if you just want to use it, it's no more difficult than windows...power usage has a steeper learning curve`
`03:26.33`	`DTRemenak`	`BSOD = blue screen of death`
`03:26.38`	`Chikorita`	`ooH`
`03:27.09`	`KR`	`Chiko - there are some really easy to use Linux distros out there now`
`03:27.15`	`Chikorita`	`i dunt c many of those`
`03:27.31`	`KR`	`and you are smart enough to learn what you'd need to be effective, even if you cant spell`
`03:27.47`	`Chikorita`	`anywayz i gotta attend dis IST meetin ..bbl`
`03:27.56`	`KR`	`c ya :)`
`03:27.58`	`Chikorita`	`~shoot KR`
`03:28.01`		`ACTION shoots KR in the head.`
`03:28.03`	`DTRemenak`	`c'ya`
`03:28.07`	`Chikorita`	`heh gotcha ;)`
`03:28.07`	`KR`	`~lart Chikorita`
`03:28.10`	`DTRemenak`	`~lart chikorita`
`03:28.17`	`Chikorita`	`u can run , buh u can outrun mah superbullet ;)`
`03:28.21`	`ski`	`~lart`
`03:28.23`	`Chikorita`	`ow`
`03:28.32`	`Chikorita`	`no lart mee`
`03:28.32`	`ski`	`lart chik`
`03:28.37`	`ski`	`lol`
`03:28.38`	`Chikorita`	`~ski`
`03:28.41`		`ski is, like, allright.`
`03:28.42`	`Chikorita`	`~lart ski`
`03:28.45`	`ski`	`:P`
`03:28.49`	`DTRemenak`	`ooh`
`03:28.54`	`Chikorita`	`~whaleslap KR`
`03:28.57`		`ACTION slaps KR upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh`
`03:29.13`	`KR`	`hugh's my buddy`
`03:29.19`	`Chikorita`	`!lart`
`03:29.19`	`guu`	`Chikorita: (lart [<channel>] [<id>] <text> [for <reason>]) -- Uses a lart on <text> (giving the reason, if offered). Will use lart number <id> from the database when <id> is given. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.`
`03:29.42`	`Chikorita`	`~fishslap KR`
`03:29.45`		`ACTION slaps KR up side the head with a wet fish.`
`03:29.50`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`03:30.03`	`Chikorita`	`btw da fishys name iz Joe`
`03:30.15`	`Chikorita`	`an he iz my friend ;)`
`03:30.40`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`03:30.44`	`DTRemenak`	`if he's your friend, why did you have ibot slap kr with him? seems pretty cruel to me :)`
`03:30.48`	`Chikorita`	`~pillow KR`
`03:30.51`		`ACTION starts a pillow fight with KR`
`03:30.58`	`DTRemenak`	`I wouldn't want to be used to slap someone ;)`
`03:31.31`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`03:31.33`	`DTRemenak`	`owww`
`03:31.50`	`DTRemenak`	`~lart chikorita for slapping kr with dtremenak`
`03:31.50`	`ski`	`hello chik...calling on chik`
`03:31.58`	`Chikorita`	`ahh`
`03:32.00`	`Chikorita`	`heh`
`03:32.02`	`ski`	`lol`
`03:32.22`	`KR`	`10`
`03:32.25`	`KR`	`9`
`03:32.26`	`KR`	`8`
`03:32.28`	`KR`	`7`
`03:32.29`	`Chikorita`	`okies ski im going`
`03:32.31`	`Chikorita`	`>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>`
`03:32.32`	`KR`	`:)`
`03:32.32`	`ski`	`~nuke KR`
`03:32.35`		`nukes KR with a single large nuke`
`03:32.38`	`ski`	`lol`
`03:33.45`	`KR`	`lol DTR`
`03:33.58`	`DTRemenak`	`I always thought that was pretty pointless`
`03:37.36`	`KR`	`same`
`03:39.02`	`Rum`	`this drink is not strong enough..`
`03:39.47`	`KR`	`I may fix a drink too - I forgot just how many reboots I was going to have to sit through....`
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`04:12.03`	`Carnage`	`back :)`
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`04:43.57`	`Rum`	`so we gonna ship this bad boy?`
`04:45.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmmm i wonder why tupone insists that setting config defaults only happens if config file doesn't exist`
`04:46.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`Rum: hope so`
`04:46.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`hey Rum, tupone splain himself?`
`04:47.45`	`Rum`	`all the configs are written out when the app closes, so if "presently" if the file exists it should be fine`
`04:48.07`	`Rum`	`setting the defaults beforehand breaks the ability to set certain keys`
`04:48.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`well if you hand edit the file, you fubar yourself`
`04:48.33`	`Rum`	`planning on rewriting it after we release to fix it`
`04:49.26`	`Rum`	`if it's really fubared, then we could add a simple routine to overload the defaults after the file is read for this release`
`04:49.53`	`Rum`	`set the default for unset actions`
`04:50.08`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`04:50.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`that would prolly work`
`04:50.26`	`Rum`	`or just tell people to not edit manually until the next rev :)`
`04:50.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`04:52.14`	`Rum`	`just moving the loading of defaults either 1) breaks editing the file or 2) breaks editing via the menus`
`04:52.37`	`KR`	`ship it, ship it`
`04:53.59`	`Carnage`	`so`
`04:54.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`so... why can't you replace the defaults?`
`04:54.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`do you know?`
`04:54.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`if you set defaults, and then replace them with what comes from the file?`
`04:54.59`	`Rum`	`i believe it has to do with the way the KEYMGR works right now, iirc`
`04:55.35`	`Rum`	`it doesn't replace, it just keeps adding`
`04:55.54`	`Rum`	`so it might be possible to get it to replace, but tupone didn't make that sound easy`
`04:56.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmmm, ok,.... me steps into the buggler`
`04:57.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`tim been around?`
`04:57.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`any words on release?`
`04:58.23`	`Rum`	`we was a silent visitor earlier`
`04:58.29`	`Rum`	`sounded all for it last night`
`05:00.03`	`MrApathyCream`	`coo`
`05:03.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmmm, ok, i give`
`05:04.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`bump and ship?`
`05:04.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`:)`
`05:06.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`05:06.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`we've got win/mac/src covered what else do we need to post? :)`
`05:17.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`here's a fun one. Delete all the entries in your bzc except for something like email.`
`05:17.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`Then i dare you to try and enter a game`
`05:17.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`:)`
`05:18.47`	`creeperz`	`i was dared to snort part of a pixie stick once`
`05:18.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`did you do it?`
`05:18.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`well, i guess so`
`05:18.59`	`KR`	`:-D`
`05:19.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`based on how you turned out`
`05:19.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`:)`
`05:19.12`	`Noodleman`	`lol`
`05:19.57`	`Rum`	`bump and ship sounds good to me :)`
`05:20.11`	`Rum`	`i'll make the os x package as soon as you do :)`
`05:20.15`	`creeperz`	`:-)`
`05:20.28`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`05:20.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`um`
`05:20.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`05:22.21`	`Noodleman`	`are we going to release?`
`05:22.25`	`Noodleman`	`huh? huh?`
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`05:24.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`one would hope`
`05:25.04`	`Rum`	`does Chikorita think we should release 1.10.2?`
`05:25.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`If tim shows up or if learner breaks down and posts`
`05:25.26`	`Rum`	`is that all it takes?!`
`05:25.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`thats it`
`05:25.55`	`Chikorita`	`if 1.10.2 fixes da bugz in 1.10 , an duznt come wif any 1.10.2 bugz of itz own , then i say "yes" :)`
`05:26.27`	`Rum`	`would you say yes if 1.10.2 doesn't fix "all" of the bugs -- just lots of them?`
`05:26.35`	`Rum`	`:D`
`05:27.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes, the important ones`
`05:27.18`	`Chikorita`	`btw (since im in an IST meetin) wee spotted sum bugz an posted dem in da IST forums if any1 cares 2 browse ova there ;)`
`05:27.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`does babelfish have a translator?`
`05:27.56`	`Rum`	`can someone copy-paste them into a sourceforge bug report?`
`05:28.21`	`Rum`	`MrApathyCream: huh?? babelfish _is_ a translator`
`05:28.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`does babelfish have a chikorita translator ( i mean)`
`05:29.02`	`Chikorita`	`okies learna i wil , buh im not sure how to descibe dem properly`
`05:29.07`	`Chikorita`	`lol MaC`
`05:29.24`	`Rum`	`you can just copy-paste whatever was written, if you like`
`05:29.45`	`Chikorita`	`itz tru tho :P i dunt mind pointin out bugz on an informal place ...buh sourceforge ...i dunnoo`
`05:30.01`	`Rum`	`get one of the others to do it :)`
`05:30.17`	`Chikorita`	`okies i'll try`
`05:30.19`	`Rum`	`like \|tim\| :)`
`05:30.28`	`\|tim\|`	`hu h huh`
`05:30.32`	`Chikorita`	`lol`
`05:30.49`	`Rum`	`you have to have a sourceforge account to post a bug, so try to find someone who already set one up`
`05:30.59`	`Rum`	`yea tim, wake up :)`
`05:31.03`	`\|tim\|`	`I've got one`
`05:31.06`	`Chikorita`	`Rum: okies`
`05:32.04`	`Chikorita`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:33.12`	`Chikorita`	`in regards 2 da v1.10.2 ...i trust ur judgement learna :) if u think itz prudent ,..then i wil agree wif u`
`05:33.44`	`Chikorita`	`to release it or not...`
`05:34.14`	`\|tim\|`	`I think all of 'em should be fixed, so when it comes out, it will be something to get :)`
`05:34.21`	`\|tim\|`	`or mostly all`
`05:35.03`	`Chikorita`	`even 1.7g2 has sum bugz still . yes?`
`05:35.25`	`ski`	`nothing major though`
`05:35.59`	`Chikorita`	`i think mostly iz good enuff ...perhaps tryin 2 gett all da bugz iz too idealistic at dis point?`
`05:36.28`	`Chikorita`	`it would b nice to have a bug-free release`
`05:37.06`	`Chikorita`	`i think da bugz in v1.10 have deterred sum peeps from using it , or sent dem back to playin 1.7`
`05:37.23`	`ski`	`<--me`
`05:37.33`	`ski`	`i like g0`
`05:37.58`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`05:38.00`	`ski`	`have 1.10 but use g0 more often`
`05:38.03`	`Chikorita`	`i like g2`
`05:38.16`	`Chikorita`	`u kno wuts funny`
`05:38.19`	`ski`	`have that too but i hafta get used to it`
`05:38.56`	`Chikorita`	`afta experiencing a bug mishap on v1.10 ..i told ginku "at leats thers good ole 1.7 stil"`
`05:39.05`	`ski`	`heh`
`05:39.18`	`Chikorita`	`an ginku sed "o hell yea 1.7!"`
`05:39.32`	`Chikorita`	`dat was so funny ...comming from ginku`
`05:39.37`	`ski`	`chik, \|tim\| im gonna take a break...play some ctf`
`05:39.47`	`ski`	`if theres anyone on`
`05:39.48`	`Chikorita`	`o okies ski`
`05:40.16`	`Chikorita`	`iz it meetin breaktime eh ;) heh`
`05:40.50`	`Chikorita`	`ski ill have da IST website summary 4 u in da morning`
`05:40.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`Rum, mac build ok :*) ?`
`05:41.00`	`Chikorita`	`i'll work on it 2nite`
`05:42.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmm cia is gone`
`05:43.09`	`ski`	`cool, thx chik`
`05:43.31`	`Chikorita`	`ski: yw :)`
`05:43.47`	`Carnage`	`he he`
`05:44.05`	`Chikorita`	`ski: skisnack chocolate-chip brownie`
`05:44.12`	`Carnage`	`mmmmm :)`
`05:44.14`	`Chikorita`	`hello carny`
`05:44.17`	`Carnage`	`hi!`
`05:44.22`	`Chikorita`	`how was da movie?`
`05:44.41`	`Carnage`	`funny :)`
`05:44.50`	`Carnage`	`im watching the movie elf now`
`05:45.20`	`Chikorita`	`elf?`
`05:45.31`	`Chikorita`	`iznt dat stil in da theatres?`
`05:45.45`	`ski`	`crap no one is ctfing`
`05:46.17`	`Chikorita`	`carny has bootleg dvds`
`05:46.30`	`ski`	`ooooooooooo`
`05:46.32`	`ski`	`lol`
`05:46.35`	`Carnage`	`what?`
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`05:46.40`	`Chikorita`	`dang send mee sum pirate dvds ;)`
`05:46.51`	`Chikorita`	`wb L`
`05:47.00`	`Chikorita`	`lol`
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`05:47.40`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`:)`
`05:48.16`	`\|tim\|`	`Does anyone know the file X-chat puts it's logs in?`
`05:48.26`	`MoreRum`	`MrApathyCream: hmm?`
`05:48.38`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`carny send mee a LOTR3 dvd plz ..u can b my secret santa ;)`
`05:48.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`MoreRum: i changed the mac pbproj file :)`
`05:48.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`still build?`
`05:49.03`	`MoreRum`	`hehe, you changed it manually?`
`05:49.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`05:49.36`	`MoreRum`	`I'll check/fix later, it's missing the new ActionBinding files anyways`
`05:49.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`ah ok`
`05:50.06`	`MoreRum`	`hehe, that's not gonna work :)`
`05:50.27`	`MoreRum`	`you copied the hash ID for a different file :)`
`05:50.36`	`MoreRum`	`oh, you deleted`
`05:50.39`	`MoreRum`	`cough`
`05:50.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`05:51.01`	`MoreRum`	`that should be okay, then, actually`
`05:52.08`	`MrApathyCream`	`sf down?`
`05:53.04`	`MoreRum`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola: there will almost always be bugs given the way software is written in almost every app.. :/ some more than others, some less -- bz is less than most for all but the most popular open source projects`
`05:53.11`	`MoreRum`	`and i like the nick :)`
`05:53.41`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`MoreRum: o okies`
`05:53.52`	`MoreRum`	`but there are fixes that are rather important in 1.10.2, though.. people won't have to update, but it will help a lot of people with problems being seen now`
`05:53.55`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`MoreRum: heh thnx ;)`
`05:54.24`	`MoreRum`	`and then we'll put out a 1.10.4 shortly after, etc, as we keep finding and fixing them :)`
`05:55.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`yupyup`
`05:55.05`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`iz da respwaning bug addressed in 1.10.2?`
`05:55.13`	`MoreRum`	`yep`
`05:55.18`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`kewl`
`05:56.13`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`then i say "go wif it!" *tm chikorita 2003`
`05:56.16`	`MoreRum`	`there were about a dozen things like that fixed almost immediately`
`05:56.18`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`heehe`
`05:56.27`	`MoreRum`	`hehe`
`05:56.54`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`MoreRum: o i c , kewl an good job yay :)`
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`05:57.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`hey look the boys have walked in together`
`05:57.39`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`then u have my vote L ...i wil go wif wuteva decision u think iz right i told u dat already :) i trust u`
`05:58.27`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`brb meeting break iz over :P`
`05:58.49`	`Carnage`	`mmmm cola slushly`
`05:59.59`	`MoreRum`	`all three monkies.. indeed`
`06:00.08`	`captain_pistachi`	`MrApathyCream: well, supposedly scanline doesn't know how to fix the internet right`
`06:00.32`	`scanline`	`captain_pistachi: it's all because of your weird source routing :)`
`06:00.37`	`captain_pistachi`	`yup`
`06:00.48`	`captain_proton`	`'tis indeed a sexy, overcomplicated setup`
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`06:01.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`so stashi, care to release 1.10.2 tonite?`
`06:02.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`woowoo`
`06:05.05`	`Noodleman`	`w00w00`
`06:07.00`	`Noodleman`	`sourceforge...`
`06:08.28`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`hi noodle`
`06:08.39`	`Noodleman`	`hey`
`06:09.08`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`gues wut dis iz noodle>>> )`
`06:09.08`	`MoreRum`	`just need to set BZ_REV to 2 and BZ_BUILD_TYPE to "RELEASE" right?`
`06:09.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes i tink so`
`06:09.31`	`Noodleman`	`what am i supposed to guess about?`
`06:09.52`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`) <<<-- itz a nooodle`
`06:09.56`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`heehe`
`06:09.57`	`Noodleman`	`lol`
`06:10.01`	`Noodleman`	`never woulda guessed`
`06:10.11`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`here iz two noodles`
`06:10.15`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:10.18`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`06:10.21`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`oodles of noodles`
`06:10.30`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:10.35`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`:D`
`06:11.31`	`MoreRum`	`mmmmmm..yummy`
`06:11.36`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`gues wut diz iz >>> []`
`06:11.39`	`scanline`	`~ <-- better noodle`
`06:12.03`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`itz a can of soda []`
`06:12.23`	`scanline`	`% <-- late 12th century impressionist engraving`
`06:12.39`	`Noodleman`	`lol`
`06:13.17`	`scanline`	`@ <-- the bolivian navy on maneuvers in the south pacific`
`06:13.19`	`Noodleman`	`guess what this is -> @`
`06:13.20`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`lol scan`
`06:13.30`	`Noodleman`	`it's a lasso`
`06:13.30`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`noodle dat iz gross LoL`
`06:13.33`	`Noodleman`	`or a snake`
`06:13.34`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`ooH`
`06:13.42`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`okies ;)`
`06:13.46`	`Noodleman`	`or what scanline said :-)`
`06:13.52`	`Noodleman`	`or what you were thinking`
`06:13.56`	`Noodleman`	`whatever it was...`
`06:14.03`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`06:14.03`	`creeperz`	`haha`
`06:14.19`	`creeperz`	`* <- an asterisk??`
`06:14.52`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`dats a headache`
`06:15.02`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`like dis.. *:(`
`06:15.17`	`creeperz`	`or a concusion`
`06:15.25`	`Noodleman`	`what's this? -> M`
`06:15.33`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`hmm`
`06:15.43`	`scanline`	`Noodleman: a prop from Tron`
`06:15.43`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`dats a spida`
`06:15.51`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`lol scan`
`06:15.56`	`creeperz`	`scanline :-)`
`06:15.59`	`Noodleman`	`it's a swayback horse with its head between its legs`
`06:16.17`	`MoreRum`	`no cia...`
`06:16.20`	`creeperz`	`maybe its a bird`
`06:16.29`	`Noodleman`	`is the tag for 1.10.2 v1_10_2 ?`
`06:16.30`	`scanline`	`MoreRum: CIA is here`
`06:16.38`	`MoreRum`	`cia didn't announce`
`06:16.46`	`MoreRum`	`couple min ago now`
`06:16.56`	`scanline`	`sourceforge's mail server can get pretty laggy at times`
`06:17.02`	`creeperz`	`the cia are coming to deliver the evil monkeys to devour your brain`
`06:17.27`	`Noodleman`	`let me devour my own brain in peace, thank you`
`06:17.44`	`creeperz`	`...yeah`
`06:17.49`	`creeperz`	`off to fragging`
`06:17.53`	`Noodleman`	`i am a new species, the autozombie`
`06:18.04`	`Noodleman`	`i subsist entirely on my own gray matter`
`06:18.10`	`Noodleman`	`although i don't last long...`
`06:18.12`	`creeperz`	`ewww`
`06:18.27`	`creeperz`	`ever see hannible?`
`06:18.32`	`Noodleman`	`nope`
`06:18.38`	`Noodleman`	`i prolly don't want to`
`06:18.40`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`06:18.47`	`creeperz`	`the dude makes a cop eat some of his own brains`
`06:18.58`	`Noodleman`	`eww`
`06:19.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`tagged yet, learner?`
`06:19.10`	`creeperz`	`then in the end of the movie, he feeds parts of bains to a little foreign kid!`
`06:19.22`	`Noodleman`	`it doesn't look like it's tagged yet`
`06:19.26`	`creeperz`	`i havent seen it either`
`06:19.58`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`how bout ... "break the world - episode 2"`
`06:20.07`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`"attack of da Roger bots"`
`06:20.14`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`hi pimpi`
`06:20.19`	`Pimpinella`	`nhi`
`06:20.38`	`Pimpinella`	`stormy weather here`
`06:20.46`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`n!!!!`
`06:20.59`	`creeperz`	`can someone redo the models to be frogs?`
`06:21.10`	`Pimpinella`	`:)`
`06:21.13`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`n iz a horrible insult in america ...esp. combined wif da letterz h an i`
`06:21.17`	`creeperz`	`i just dont feel comfy to see a 20 ton object "jump" over me`
`06:21.29`	`Pimpinella`	`more plaing but typing yesterday`
`06:21.52`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`Pimpinella: heehe i c`
`06:21.59`	`ski`	`tim, chik please see our meeting channel`
`06:22.17`	`MoreRum`	`we are now tagged v1_10_2`
`06:22.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`woowoo!!`
`06:22.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`you da man`
`06:22.37`	`Noodleman`	`who da man?`
`06:22.45`	`Noodleman`	`i da man?`
`06:22.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`rum da man`
`06:22.53`	`Noodleman`	`w00, i da man!`
`06:23.00`	`MoreRum`	`woo hoo`
`06:23.02`	`Noodleman`	`heh`
`06:23.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`noo da man`
`06:23.26`	`Neva_Enuff_Cola`	`brb`
`06:23.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`so`
`06:23.33`	`creeperz`	`:-)`
`06:23.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`do we just add 1.10.2 as a release, or replace 1.10.0`
`06:23.55`	`MoreRum`	`add 1.10.2`
`06:26.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`website down for maintenance .... grrrr`
`06:26.21`	`MoreRum`	`hehe`
`06:26.29`	`scanline`	`could have something to do with their email server not reporting commits to CIA :)`
`06:26.45`	`Noodleman`	`cwap`
`06:27.01`	`MoreRum`	`according to status, this isn't scheduled, so it should be back up soon`
`06:27.02`	`Chikorita_Sleepy`	`Gnite all :)`
`06:27.06`	`Noodleman`	`l8r`
`06:27.15`	`perfer_beer`	`good night`
`06:27.25`	`perfer_beer`	`too late`
`06:27.42`	`Noodleman`	`g'night`
`06:28.14`	`perfer_beer`	`no, i just woke up, it ws for chik`
`06:28.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`scanline: i'm getting email notifications`
`06:28.30`	`perfer_beer`	`its 0730 here`
`06:28.43`	`scanline`	`MrApathyCream: hmm.. odd then, because CIA is working for other projects`
`06:29.20`	`captain_proton`	`probably sourceforge being cranky`
`06:29.41`	`MoreRum`	`suure.. blame it on poor lil ol sf`
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`06:31.54`	`kroboto`	`easy question for you people, what can cause a map to lockup the linux client but not the windows client?`
`06:32.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`are u sure its the map?`
`06:33.01`	`kroboto`	`its the only thing that changes, same server config`
`06:33.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`i'd suspect teleporter or teleporter links`
`06:33.26`	`MoreRum`	`probably just a bug that is getting masked/hidden on windows`
`06:33.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`well windows is the bz dev platform of choice`
`06:34.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`kroboto: if you care to make the world available, some nixer could probably tell you`
`06:34.24`	`MoreRum`	`notice os x wasn't included in because -of-course- it wouldn't lock up.. cough cough`
`06:34.34`	`kroboto`	`someone said duplicate objects but there are no dupes`
`06:35.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`rum: hehe`
`06:35.26`	`MoreRum`	`if you do a saveworld from within a client and compare the old with the new, what are the differences?`
`06:35.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`worldweapons`
`06:35.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`and name field`
`06:36.08`	`Carnage`	`bye all`
`06:36.21`	`kroboto`	`i havn't tried a save world yet`
`06:36.38`	`MoreRum`	`oh mac.. something to look into -- client crashed while typing a message when a server was shut down`
`06:36.39`	`kroboto`	`no world weapons in it, yet`
`06:36.52`	`MoreRum`	`Thread 0 Crashed:`
`06:36.52`	`MoreRum`	`0 bzflag 0x0002ffac cmdSend(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, std::vector<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >, std::allocator<std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > > > const&) + 0x12c`
`06:36.52`	`MoreRum`	`1 bzflag 0x0008b1e0 CommandManager::run(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&) const + 0x2a8`
`06:36.52`	`MoreRum`	`2 bzflag 0x00036fb8 doKeyCommon(BzfKeyEvent const&, bool) + 0x3d4`
`06:37.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`06:37.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`not a biggy`
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`06:43.01`	`learner`	`ah.. this seems like so long ago already :)`
`06:43.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`sf back up`
`06:43.09`	`learner`	`cool`
`06:44.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`where do you upload to, its been awhile...`
`06:44.36`	`learner`	`go to admin section, and the File Manager`
`06:44.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok`
`06:46.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`release name is just 1.10.2 ?`
`06:47.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`ah it's upload.sourceforge.net`
`06:48.09`	`learner`	`i'd mimic whatever was done for 1.10.0`
`06:49.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`yupyup`
`06:50.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`uploading now....`
`06:51.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`learner: you gonna upload the source?`
`06:52.09`	`learner`	`if I can figure out how to make it, sure`
`06:53.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`24 minutes to go.... :(`
`06:53.45`	`learner`	`lol, oh yeah`
`06:54.06`	`learner`	`so we'll finish around the same time, by the time I'm finished :)`
`06:54.08`	`\|tim\|`	`it takes that long?`
`06:54.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`hehe`
`06:54.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`modem, and not only that 28.8 cause the phonelines are trashed`
`06:56.52`	`learner`	`:)`
`06:56.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`06:57.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`16...`
`07:05.17`	`kroboto`	`MrApathyCream: its on my site at tuxinside.no-ip.com or I can post it somewhere.`
`07:06.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok i'll go get it, in a lil bit...`
`07:06.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`my network is clogged at the moment`
`07:06.39`	`learner`	`kroboto, how do you make it to know later`
`07:07.09`	`CIA-1`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): ok, it's not a bug but expected now that observers are their own team`
`07:07.09`	`kroboto`	`huh? what do you mean`
`07:07.16`	`CIA-1`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (version.h): bumping and tagging... all bugs fixed, ready to build packages for 1.10.2\!`
`07:08.41`	`kroboto`	`i'm in xchat right now, what does it mean when a senders name is in yellow?`
`07:09.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`it means they mentioned your name`
`07:09.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`(so you can see direct messages to you easily)`
`07:09.56`	`kroboto`	`learner: what do you mean`
`07:11.24`	`learner`	`did you put a source on your site?`
`07:11.30`	`learner`	`source distro`
`07:11.45`	`kroboto`	`not yet`
`07:11.53`	`kroboto`	`i'm a rookie`
`07:11.59`	`kroboto`	`should i?`
`07:12.00`	`learner`	`ah, then you were talking about something else :)`
`07:13.40`	`creeperz`	`kinda`
`07:14.12`	`creeperz`	`i've been listening to the same song for over 10 min now`
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`07:15.00`	`kroboto`	`you've been listening to stairway to heaven?`
`07:15.13`	`kroboto`	`great, now everyone will know i'm old`
`07:15.41`	`creeperz`	`haha`
`07:15.54`	`creeperz`	`Shoots and Ladders by KoRn`
`07:16.19`	`\|tim\|`	`a guy who plays in KoRn lives down the street from me`
`07:16.33`	`creeperz`	`are you serious?`
`07:16.34`	`kroboto`	`new stuff? i got off the music bandwagon in the early 80's`
`07:16.40`	`\|tim\|`	`yeah`
`07:16.42`	`kroboto`	`and i ain't gettin' back on`
`07:16.49`	`\|tim\|`	`his backyard is friggen awesome`
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`07:17.03`	`creeperz`	`where do you live?`
`07:17.17`	`\|tim\|`	`Bakersfield, California`
`07:17.17`	`learner`	`earth`
`07:17.19`	`learner`	`usually`
`07:17.21`	`\|tim\|`	`lol`
`07:17.28`	`creeperz`	`ahh`
`07:17.30`	`kroboto`	`learner, were you reffering to source code for bzflag?`
`07:17.49`	`learner`	`krboto, never mind.. I misunderstood ;)`
`07:18.02`	`learner`	`but yes, I was`
`07:18.13`	`\|tim\|`	`his backyard costed $238,000 alone`
`07:18.18`	`creeperz`	`why is there so much junk on an oem computer w/ windows :-(`
`07:18.22`	`creeperz`	`ouch`
`07:18.53`	`\|tim\|`	`neighbors were trying to get him evicted`
`07:19.07`	`creeperz`	`why?`
`07:19.15`	`\|tim\|`	`they say he parties to loud`
`07:19.22`	`\|tim\|`	`lol`
`07:19.24`	`creeperz`	`whoopdi-doo`
`07:19.26`	`creeperz`	`:-)`
`07:19.31`	`\|tim\|`	`my neighbors are arses`
`07:19.43`	`creeperz`	`i would guess`
`07:20.10`	`kroboto`	`how long does it take for anon cvs to update?`
`07:20.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`up to 24 hours`
`07:20.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`or longer :)`
`07:20.37`	`kroboto`	`bummer`
`07:22.35`	`learner`	`if you need specific files, I have a checkout updated continuously available via http at http://brlcad.org/bzflag/cvs/`
`07:23.22`	`kroboto`	`naw, just wondering. is there any updates to the server end? thats all i really want`
`07:24.25`	`kroboto`	`i'm too lazy to take care of the deps for a full compile. bzfs compiles and the rest gives errors.`
`07:25.01`	`kroboto`	`getting two different versions to install is fun tho. rpm overwrites them.`
`07:26.00`	`learner`	`yep, MAC.. you borked the project file.. no biggie though`
`07:27.10`	`MrApathyCream`	`hehe`
`07:29.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`how to files get removed from the ftp upload directory?`
`07:30.58`	`learner`	`you add them to the project`
`07:31.35`	`learner`	`you can actually "steal" anyone's files, but that'll get you in trouble rather quick, of course ;)`
`07:31.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`ahok`
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`08:09.52`	`\|tim\|`	`I'm getting lots of errors running 10.0.2`
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`08:12.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`what os?`
`08:13.08`	`\|tim\|`	`windows ME`
`08:13.14`	`\|tim\|`	`^^^yukko`
`08:13.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`build it yourslef?`
`08:13.51`	`\|tim\|`	`the computer?`
`08:14.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`bzflag :)`
`08:14.24`	`\|tim\|`	`no`
`08:21.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`what errors?`
`08:21.40`	`\|tim\|`	`http://www.angelfire.com/alt2/timmah/bzflag_error.jpg`
`08:23.03`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`08:23.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`you downloaded from sf?`
`08:23.30`	`\|tim\|`	`yeah`
`08:23.46`	`\|tim\|`	`I feel like i'm playing 21 questions :p`
`08:23.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`08:24.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`i'm downloading now... so i'll try too`
`08:24.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`are you always in observer mode when you crash?`
`08:24.33`	`\|tim\|`	`hmpf`
`08:24.37`	`\|tim\|`	`never payed attention`
`08:24.41`	`\|tim\|`	`it happens off and on though`
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`08:29.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`serves you write for usin' a crappy os :)`
`08:29.29`	`\|tim\|`	`lol`
`08:29.43`	`\|tim\|`	`http://www.angelfire.com/alt2/timmah/bzflag_error2.jpg <-- i thought that was suppose to be out too`
`08:31.03`	`captain_proton`	`weird, its like its not drawing the ground polygon`
`08:31.29`	`captain_proton`	`no source release for 10.2?`
`08:31.37`	`\|tim\|`	`I don't really find much of a difference in this "10.0.2`
`08:32.38`	`MrApathyCream`	`captain_proton: not yet,`
`08:32.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`feel free`
`08:33.11`	`captain_proton`	`cvs head?`
`08:33.26`	`MrApathyCream`	`ask leaerner he tagged`
`08:33.57`	`captain_proton`	`hrm, ChangeLog seems a bit bereft`
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`08:34.17`	`captain_proton`	`and the README & such have the wrong versions`
`08:35.18`	`swinemiester`	`where can one find a list of the new server commands, pray tell?`
`08:35.27`	`captain_proton`	`bzfs.cxx? :)`
`08:35.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`look in the cxx's`
`08:35.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`hehe`
`08:35.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`look in bzfs.html i spose`
`08:36.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`or man depending`
`08:38.23`	`scanline`	`it's like the .c configuration files`
`08:39.26`	`swinemiester`	`must of screwed up something, still have the old man. better try a re-install. Thanks! and merry whatever you celebrate`
`08:39.55`	`*** part/#bzflag swinemiester (~swinemies@h24-108-49-192.no.shawcable.net)`
`08:41.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`win32 seems to hold together`
`08:41.56`	`\|tim\|`	`what bugs were fixed in 10.0.2?`
`08:42.11`	`captain_proton`	`it'd be nice if there were an up-to-date changelog or something =/`
`08:42.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`not sure we have a list`
`08:42.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`i suppose i could go back in the email logs and see`
`08:42.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`LEARNER!`
`08:43.48`	`\|tim\|`	`goodie`
`08:46.06`	`learner`	`who wha?`
`08:46.26`	`learner`	`much better`
`08:46.42`	`learner`	`man newbies.. 50-6 ;)`
`08:46.48`	`captain_proton`	`learner: you realize you tagged without updating version numbers on things like README? :P`
`08:46.55`	`learner`	`3 of those 6 i shot myself :)`
`08:47.18`	`learner`	`that's okay.. tags can be moved :)`
`08:47.30`	`captain_proton`	`and the ChangeLog seems a lot empty`
`08:47.41`	`learner`	`i wasn't worrying about that until I started on the source release`
`08:47.49`	`learner`	`or till someone else did it :P`
`08:47.58`	`captain_proton`	`well - MrApathyCream's already gone and posted a 10.2 release =/`
`08:48.39`	`captain_proton`	`what about updating ChangeLog, etc? :P`
`08:48.58`	`learner`	`that's not in the binary is it?`
`08:49.08`	`learner`	`it's not in my distro's`
`08:49.43`	`captain_proton`	`i think its included in the windows dist`
`08:49.49`	`captain_proton`	`and probably the rpm ones too`
`08:49.58`	`scanline`	`even if it isn't, that's kind of missing the point`
`08:50.05`	`learner`	`i've seen people update the changelog`
`08:50.21`	`learner`	`not much was really added but bug fixes -- it's a minor release`
`08:50.30`	`learner`	`but the README was certainly overlooked`
`08:50.38`	`learner`	`probably shouldn't have a version in there..`
`08:51.10`	`Sasami`	`what happend to 1.10.1?`
`08:51.10`	`captain_proton`	`learner: well - it seems exceedingly silly to build binary dists before source dists - usually the binaries are built -from- the source release`
`08:51.40`	`captain_proton`	`and most importantly, this release needs a tagline, too`
`08:51.59`	`Sasami`	`MAC, if you post an installer you need to post zip source too`
`08:52.02`	`learner`	`for a minor release?`
`08:52.03`	`Sasami`	`dems da rules`
`08:52.10`	`captain_proton`	`learner: every release`
`08:52.21`	`Sasami`	`call it 1.10.2 "the untested release"`
`08:52.28`	`scanline`	`'fiery optic nerve of angst'`
`08:52.55`	`scanline`	`hehe`
`08:53.09`	`Sasami`	`and MAC, do a CVS export on the tag so you don't get any CVS dirs`
`08:53.41`	`Sasami`	`1.10.2 "better late then never"`
`08:53.57`	`*** mode/#bzflag [-o Sasami] by Sasami`
`08:55.06`	`Sasami`	`anyone seen trepan the past week?`
`08:57.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`captain_proton: changelog changed`
`09:00.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`Sasami: learner said he'll post the srcs`
`09:00.29`	`purple_cow`	`MrApathyCream: you'll want to do the .zip on windows`
`09:00.38`	`Sasami`	`he will make a windows ZIP ?!?!`
`09:00.39`	`purple_cow`	`so that the CRLF format is right`
`09:00.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`oh ok`
`09:00.45`	`purple_cow`	`on the project files`
`09:00.46`	`Sasami`	`that ius why YOUI do it mac`
`09:00.53`	`Sasami`	`you make the zip`
`09:00.57`	`Sasami`	`he makes the tarball`
`09:00.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`so just pull with the tag and zip everything?`
`09:01.04`	`Sasami`	`export`
`09:01.06`	`Sasami`	`not check out`
`09:01.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok`
`09:01.24`	`Sasami`	`if he does the windows stuff it will be borked`
`09:01.33`	`Sasami`	`if you do the linux stuff it will be borked`
`09:01.37`	`Sasami`	`so it's a 2 person job`
`09:01.58`	`CIA-1`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (2 files): update references to 1.10.0 to new 1.10.2, albeit late (moving the tag)`
`09:02.14`	`learner`	`ah, cia :)`
`09:02.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`-r 1.10.2 ?`
`09:02.41`	`Sasami`	`what is the tag?`
`09:02.46`	`Sasami`	`you did tag right?`
`09:02.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`that is my question`
`09:02.51`	`learner`	`still have to commit changelog update`
`09:03.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`i put changelog on sf`
`09:03.07`	`learner`	`did you commit it?`
`09:03.30`	`Sasami`	`you built and posted a release before you taged?`
`09:03.34`	`Sasami`	`why would you do that?`
`09:03.40`	`learner`	`no we didn't`
`09:03.48`	`Sasami`	`so there is a tag`
`09:03.52`	`learner`	`but a few files were missed`
`09:03.57`	`learner`	`yes there is a tag`
`09:04.01`	`learner`	`v1_10_2`
`09:04.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok i''ll update chnagelog`
`09:04.23`	`learner`	`the changelog still needs to be updated, and the tags moved before checking that out`
`09:04.55`	`Sasami`	`then you'll have to update the installer`
`09:06.32`	`CIA-1`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (ChangeLog): ChangeLog for 1.10.2`
`09:08.13`	`learner`	`nice notes mac..`
`09:08.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`danka`
`09:09.08`	`learner`	`you pull that from cvs log?`
`09:09.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`email notifications`
`09:09.19`	`learner`	`ah, hehe`
`09:09.32`	`learner`	`so is there a name?`
`09:09.38`	`scanline`	`hm.. CIA is storing the last 1024 commits from each project now =)`
`09:10.00`	`learner`	`or leave it unnamed?`
`09:10.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`unnamed`
`09:10.26`	`MrApathyCream`	`it is still break the world`
`09:10.38`	`learner`	`k`
`09:11.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`i guess the drives didn't work quite right`
`09:11.24`	`CIA-1`	`03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (ChangeLog): fix all of MAC's trailing spaces`
`09:11.27`	`learner`	`we can fix the changelog "authorship" later, I suppose`
`09:11.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`yup`
`09:11.39`	`learner`	`Oh my..`
`09:11.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`?`
`09:11.48`	`learner`	`a trowbridge bot commit`
`09:11.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`mmm`
`09:11.57`	`purple_cow`	`he only works on the toughest of problems`
`09:12.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`09:12.04`	`learner`	`heh`
`09:12.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`learner you posting or what?`
`09:13.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`whistling dixie?`
`09:13.21`	`purple_cow`	`mmm, donuts and coffee are good for the soul`
`09:13.28`	`learner`	`... moving the tag`
`09:13.52`	`CIA-1`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (ChangeLog): consistency space`
`09:14.28`	`MrApathyCream`	`lemmee know when it's retagged`
`09:14.32`	`learner`	`okay.. anything else?`
`09:14.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`nope`
`09:14.43`	`learner`	`then that's it`
`09:15.19`	`learner`	`ChangeLog README and README.WIN32 were the three missed`
`09:15.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`big woop but ok`
`09:15.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`is it tagged?`
`09:15.51`	`learner`	`yea`
`09:15.55`	`learner`	`good to go`
`09:16.10`	`learner`	`cap, are you doing the source release? :)`
`09:16.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`he only does the toughest of jobs, so no.`
`09:18.05`	`learner`	`purple_cow: care to give me the 2cent tour on what I need to do, then? :)`
`09:18.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`for release or src?`
`09:18.55`	`purple_cow`	learner: do `make dist` (or if you really care about things, `make distcheck`)
`09:18.58`	`learner`	`a source release tarball`
`09:20.25`	`learner`	`thanks cow`
`09:21.02`	`learner`	`rotf! hehe`
`09:22.29`	`learner`	`thar she begins..`
`09:22.47`	`learner`	`(successfully)`
`09:22.54`	`learner`	`done`
`09:22.57`	`learner`	`woo hoo`
`09:23.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`captain_proton: how did you get your name on the admin page in sf? :)`
`09:23.39`	`purple_cow`	`MrApathyCream: asked timmy :)`
`09:24.38`	`learner`	`i remember a time in a land far far away when captain_proton worked actively on bzflag`
`09:24.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`it was a magical place`
`09:24.58`	`learner`	`like disney`
`09:25.08`	`learner`	`only without the domestic animals`
`09:25.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`now he's just a finger pointer`
`09:25.15`	`purple_cow`	`:)`
`09:25.29`	`learner`	`if he'd just stop pointing that middle finger ..`
`09:25.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`09:27.02`	`learner`	`os x is uploaded, posted, and notified`
`09:27.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`oof i should notify too`
`09:27.53`	`learner`	`one day the preferred platform will get the "first post" title ;)`
`09:28.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`:)`
`09:29.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`pre 1.8d9 win builds used to take weeks to get after the nix ones were available, so it's getting better:)`
`09:29.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`er 1.7d9`
`09:30.03`	`learner`	`heh, both of the most laggy platforms are now the first to post :)`
`09:30.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`yup, kinda sw33t aint it`
`09:31.35`	`learner`	`os x usually doesn't even release on release day historically (not sure how close rae was to the date)`
`09:32.12`	`MrApathyCream`	`yup`
`09:32.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`man i forget how long a fresh export/co takes to get thru the data dir on modem`
`09:33.24`	`learner`	`heh`
`09:35.14`	`learner`	`um.. should i have done the make dist as root?`
`09:35.32`	`learner`	`for file perms?`
`09:35.48`	`learner`	`rather, for owner/gid settings`
`09:35.58`	`purple_cow`	`learner: probably`
`09:39.16`	`creeperz`	`haha`
`09:39.23`	`creeperz`	`tenacious d is awesome`
`09:42.10`	`creeperz`	`can you imagine 2 grown men beating the crap out of each other for a schnitzel that the other one ate`
`09:50.37`	`learner`	`source update is complete`
`09:51.07`	`learner`	`wow.. nobody has made an o32 release since 1.7e6?`
`09:51.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`09:51.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`still exporting`
`09:52.27`	`learner`	`hrm.. no .bz2 source`
`09:53.07`	`purple_cow`	`learner: i only had access to n32 libs ;)`
`09:53.55`	`learner`	`i wouldn't, but there are still groups at work that insist on o32`
`09:54.48`	`learner`	`heh`
`09:59.36`	`learner`	`coo.. all three source balls are up now`
`10:02.23`	`purple_cow`	`learner: eww`
`10:02.40`	`purple_cow`	`o32 is icky`
`10:05.02`	`learner`	`does w32 build depend on dx or some other lib or just the the video driver libs?`
`10:05.36`	`captain_proton`	`learner: win32 needs dx for resolution switching`
`10:12.49`	`learner`	`we're now down to just 2 feature requests ;)`
`10:15.04`	`creeperz`	`uugh!`
`10:15.15`	`creeperz`	`anyone have problems with the clipboard in windows?`
`10:15.23`	`creeperz`	`it will not copy information`
`10:17.57`	`scanline`	`creeperz: you're not pressing hard enough`
`10:17.58`	`Pimpinella`	`chroot ./sid`
`10:18.13`	`creeperz`	`rebooting brb`
`10:18.35`	`Pimpinella`	`.....wrong window active`
`10:20.47`	`*** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se)`
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`10:23.14`	`david_v`	`good morning, fellow tanks`
`10:24.25`	`\|tim\|`	`mornin' david_v`
`10:24.48`	`david_v`	`hey :)`
`10:38.41`	`purple_cow`	`'night learner`
`10:42.32`	`learner`	`night cow, and thanks`
`11:15.50`	`Pimpinella`	`gniht creeperz`
`11:26.02`	`Pimpinella`	`which curses-libaryins needed by 1.10.2 ?`
`12:02.15`	`yoyox`	`bzflag-1.10.2.20031221 -> ./configure --disable-client => config.status: error: cannot find input file: src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.in What? :( Dir is empty.`
`12:11.28`	`david_v`	`hey Quol :)`
`12:11.39`	`Quol`	`how did you sleep david?`
`12:11.47`	`david_v`	`on my bed :)`
`12:12.01`	`david_v`	`ok i slept well ;)`
`12:12.08`	`Quol`	`was it a good sleep though - must have been short - what time did you get up?`
`12:12.20`	`david_v`	`3 AM - 11 AM`
`12:12.41`	`Quol`	`not bad then..`
`12:12.44`	`david_v`	`nope :)`
`12:13.58`	`Quol`	`it's a cold cold morning over here....I can feel it through the walls.....bbrrrrrrr :)`
`12:15.35`	`david_v`	`sure... heh ;)`
`12:15.44`	`david_v`	`btw it's actually snowing here now`
`12:16.00`	`david_v`	`and 0 C outside. ah, that's warm`
`12:16.33`	`Quol`	`lol`
`12:17.59`	`Quol`	`I don't know the exact temperature outside ( I haven't looked yet ), but I have a dual heating system, and the natural gas only kicks in at -15C or under - and the light is on telling me that the natural gas system is now running instead of hydro - so it's -15C or colder right now :)`
`12:19.10`	`david_v`	`i envy you :)`
`12:20.50`	`Quol`	`I bet..I am dreaming of nice white sandy beaches, and the ocean right now :)`
`12:22.03`	`david_v`	`we have Östersjön, what about that? ;)`
`12:22.41`	`david_v`	`we don't have so many white beaches i know of... none,i guess. but it could always be fixed... :)`
`12:27.32`	`Quol`	`I was thinking about some small island off in the pacific somewhere :)`
`12:29.49`	`david_v`	`we can fix that too. i just need to adjust the Swedish borders :)`
`12:29.59`	`david_v`	`and er, move Sweden a little bit :)`
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`12:42.20`	`david_v`	`heya bzg`
`12:42.30`	`orchid`	`hi`
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`13:58.27`	`Quol`	`wrap all your presents orchid?`
`13:58.37`	`*** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se)`
`13:59.15`	`orchid`	`Quol: well im finishing up from last night`
`13:59.39`	`orchid`	`Quol: wrapping gifts is an art form`
`13:59.56`	`Quol`	`orchid: that's why I just buy those gift bags :)`
`14:00.04`	`orchid`	`tsk tsk`
`14:00.19`	`Chestal`	`mine remain unwrapped`
`14:00.28`	`Quol`	`leave the wraping to the pro's, I will slip my gifts in a bag full of tissue :)`
`14:00.30`	`Chestal`	`that is just in case I even have a gift`
`14:01.03`	`orchid`	`guys suck at wrapping gifts :)`
`14:01.11`	`Quol`	`lol`
`14:01.41`	`Chestal`	`I'm good at unwrapping though`
`14:01.58`	`orchid`	`heh`
`14:02.06`	`Quol`	`well - I agree that most of us are not good with bows and ribbons, but we can put paper on a gift :)`
`14:02.52`	`orchid`	`its fun to wrap them up i think`
`14:03.30`	`orchid`	`Chestal: does germany have the Gap and Old Navy department stores?`
`14:04.00`	`orchid`	`Quol: you can get 99% of your gifts at Old Navy --- just a tip`
`14:04.22`	`Chestal`	`orchid: never heard of them, but I don't do much shopping, so who knows :-)`
`14:04.47`	`orchid`	`:-)`
`14:05.41`	`Quol`	`orchid: ya - unfortunately I like the doing my shopping in the local computer/electronic store or local music store :)`
`14:06.05`	`orchid`	`omg i bought tons of music this year, its sick how much i paid`
`14:06.29`	`orchid`	`its so expensive, and they wonder why we share mp3's!`
`14:06.55`	`Quol`	`ya, it's crazy how much they are charging for CD's now, although I meant more in terms of instruments..`
`14:07.28`	`orchid`	`Chestal: i am running a server with the latested cvs, and as observer cannot use the left/right arrows, also, sometimes after a while, i cannot spawn back into the game`
`14:07.29`	`Quol`	`it will be interesting to see what happens in the next couple of years.`
`14:08.05`	`Quol`	`the music industry will have to adapt, or they will be fighting a long and hard fight again the p2p networks..`
`14:08.06`	`orchid`	`Quol: i am going to buy a subscription to a music service i think in the new year, if i can find a decent one`
`14:08.46`	`orchid`	`Quol: this is a GREAT eyeopener http://www.downhillbattle.org/`
`14:08.48`	`Quol`	`orchid: that will be the chaooenge`
`14:08.51`	`Quol`	`oops`
`14:08.53`	`Quol`	`challenge`
`14:09.10`	`Chestal`	`orchid: hmm, latst client, too?`
`14:10.05`	`Chestal`	`I played on my server yesterday and only bug I encountered was GM related`
`14:10.11`	`orchid`	`Chestal: yes latest client`
`14:10.19`	`Chestal`	`orchid: did you join as observer or automatic?`
`14:10.25`	`orchid`	`it seems i am the only one affected tho`
`14:10.32`	`Chestal`	`and only part of the keys do not work?`
`14:10.37`	`orchid`	`it doesnt matter what player i am`
`14:10.44`	`orchid`	`in observer yes`
`14:10.51`	`orchid`	`as a player keys are fine`
`14:10.57`	`Chestal`	`hmm, works for me`
`14:11.20`	`Chestal`	`there has been a change related to that a few days ago, I am not sure if it makesa difference when you already have a config file or not`
`14:11.38`	`Chestal`	`I never had problems spawning`
`14:12.19`	`orchid`	`Quol: this guy was the producer of Nirvana's "In Utero" look at the numbers breakdown at the bottom. http://www.negativland.com/albini.html`
`14:12.48`	`orchid`	`im using the same config file, but that shouldnt matter should it?`
`14:14.09`	`Chestal`	`I haven't changed anything, just wondering if that may be related to your problem because the key bindings were chnaged internally`
`14:14.16`	`Chestal`	`you are using ctrl-arrow?`
`14:14.34`	`Quol`	`Orchid: I know all about that first hand - it used to be that the bands needed the labels promarily for distribution deals and to get their music out there. but now with the internet this is not needed. will be interesting`
`14:15.21`	`Quol`	`especially since I can get a fairly good studio in my house for under 2K canadian`
`14:15.44`	`Quol`	`record my own stuff, mp3 it to the net and see what happens :)`
`14:15.49`	`orchid`	`Chestal: yeah, ctrl`
`14:16.51`	`orchid`	`Quol: i wish i cold by albums directly from the bands at a cheeaper cost of courrse :)`
`14:17.20`	`Quol`	`I recorded an album, and almost got signed got a distribution deal across canada, but after looking into it we would only start getting any money off of record sales after the 300,000 sale`
`14:17.32`	`orchid`	`eww`
`14:17.40`	`orchid`	`well maybe youd sell that many?`
`14:17.55`	`Quol`	`it ended up going nowehere anyways, but was a learning and educating experience`
`14:18.08`	`orchid`	`yeah i bet`
`14:18.28`	`Quol`	`I doubt we would have sold that many`
`14:20.02`	`Quol`	`sara mcclaughclan (don't know how to spell it), had an interesting comment on it:`
`14:20.19`	`Quol`	`she said that when people stop downloading her music that that is when she will start to worry`
`14:20.46`	`Quol`	`and that the labels will have to adjust and update themselves to the current technologies`
`14:21.08`	`orchid`	`:)`
`14:21.19`	`orchid`	`its probably true`
`14:22.49`	`Quol`	`there are some bands out there fighting their labels on it also - like blink 182 and those "keep 'em seperated" guys - whats their names...`
`14:23.09`	`Quol`	`can't remember..ohh well`
`14:24.02`	`orchid`	`when i figure out httacces i will give you a peek at my mp3's`
`14:25.00`	`Quol`	`heh - what music do you like?`
`14:25.22`	`orchid`	`oh all kinds`
`14:25.52`	`orchid`	`http://bzgirl.bakadigital.com/musiclist.txt this is an old list`
`14:25.55`	`Quol`	`favorite bands?`
`14:25.59`	`orchid`	`theres more there now`
`14:26.25`	`orchid`	`i'd say "supergrass" "proppelerheads" "air" "groove armada"`
`14:26.29`	`Chestal`	`hmm, 1.10.2 been released yet?`
`14:27.02`	`orchid`	`i dunno ches`
`14:27.52`	`*** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-53.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)`
`14:28.58`	`orchid`	`hi Tupone`
`14:29.05`	`Tupone`	`ciao`
`14:29.18`	`Quol`	`orchid: that's quite a lenghthy list :)`
`14:29.33`	`orchid`	`Quol: ive added 3 or 4 hundred since then`
`14:30.15`	`Quol`	`orchid: all on your home internet connection?`
`14:32.42`	`orchid`	`Quol: that and burning them from freinds`
`14:32.52`	`orchid`	`Quol: i have a freind with 7000 cd's!`
`14:36.47`	`Chestal`	`someone up for a test on ducati 59355?`
`14:39.07`	`Tupone`	`Chestal: rebuilding!`
`14:41.00`	`Tupone`	`Chestal: ok`
`14:48.40`	`Tupone`	`Chestal: I think who shot the GM update the missile in the true direction. In between the updates, missiles rendering are driven by each client through the target. If target is wrong, we should have those effect`
`14:52.17`	`Chestal`	`Tupone: hmm, yes, I thought of that, too, but still looked atrange. Whatever, didifult tojudge`
`14:53.07`	`Tupone`	`have you seen strange GM trajectories now?`
`14:54.08`	`Chestal`	`just now? no`
`14:54.17`	`Tupone`	`I looked at the code, but at first glance, nothing raise really bugged:/`
`14:56.13`	`Chestal`	`Tupone: do you know what the state of 1.10.2. is?`
`14:56.43`	`Chestal`	`I have a small bzfs change here, not sure if I should commit. IMHO all 1.10.2. versions should be equal, so we should bump up to 1.10.3 before makign any changes?`
`14:56.57`	`Tupone`	`As I know, is ready for release`
`14:57.39`	`Tupone`	`the only thing I don't like is the Rabbit selection`
`14:58.00`	`Chestal`	`should be easy to fix`
`14:58.07`	`Chestal`	`but we should know what we actually want`
`14:58.09`	`Manu_1`	`bzfs have a little bug jet!`
`14:58.41`	`Tupone`	`Easy to fix, but difficult to agree on!`
`14:59.07`	`Tupone`	`Manu_1: what kind of bug?`
`14:59.15`	`Chestal`	`Tupone: we shoudl agree onsome informal description first, like "highest scoring player" then try to put that into a formula`
`14:59.31`	`Chestal`	`the current one is a bit strange`
`14:59.41`	`Chestal`	`Manu: only one? :-)`
`14:59.57`	`Manu_1`	`in sendMessageToListServerForReal()`
`15:00.16`	`Manu_1`	`the HTTP/1.1 is incorrect.. the server close the communication earlier`
`15:00.44`	`Manu_1`	`i have been testing this morning the correct`
`15:00.51`	`Chestal`	`hmm? be more specific please`
`15:01.36`	`Manu_1`	`in http full duplex, have to test the send command is done vbefore close the socket`
`15:02.03`	`Manu_1`	`the patch is:`
`15:02.04`	`Manu_1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:02.05`	`Manu_1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:02.05`	`Manu_1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:02.05`	`Manu_1`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:02.42`	`Tupone`	`that mean shutdown socket and wait for closing?`
`15:02.48`	`Manu_1`	`no`
`15:03.41`	`Manu_1`	`if the packets go throw a transparent proxy there is a little lag.. if you close the socket before the command ADD is sended.. the commication is unsuccesfull!`
`15:04.04`	`Manu_1`	`the while... wait a little time to the communication is complete`
`15:04.12`	`Tupone`	`the loopy way, IMHO, has devasting effect on other player`
`15:05.19`	`Manu_1`	`but in other way you never know if the listserver get your command... is very little waiting`
`15:05.44`	`Tupone`	`but even 200 msec can be long for this kind of game`
`15:06.06`	`Chestal`	`hmm, do you not normalel send, shutdown send connection, then receive?`
`15:06.21`	`Tupone`	`no shutdown now`
`15:06.23`	`Manu_1`	`yes... i'm workin in another way (separated procceses or threads) but need some work`
`15:06.52`	`Chestal`	`why should recv return -1?`
`15:06.58`	`Tupone`	`for this ADD there is nothing to wait for`
`15:07.30`	`Chestal`	`ah, EAGAIN?`
`15:07.39`	`Manu_1`	`-1 is the response in non-blocking`
`15:08.01`	`Manu_1`	`and EAGAIN in errno`
`15:08.37`	`Manu_1`	`when the communications is complete then the return value is >= -1 and you can get the response`
`15:08.42`	`Chestal`	`I don't know what the current code does, but it should simply send, maybe shutdown, then read all data`
`15:08.58`	`Manu_1`	`no... belive me!`
`15:09.16`	`Tupone`	`there is no shutdown and nothing to read`
`15:09.19`	`Chestal`	`does it not read the respinse at all now?`
`15:09.30`	`Chestal`	`server must send HTTP reply`
`15:09.47`	`Manu_1`	`yes.. is in the HTTP/1.1....`
`15:09.48`	`Tupone`	`yeah, some should arrive but they are not used`
`15:10.14`	`Manu_1`	`read the rfc-2616`
`15:10.39`	`Manu_1`	`it was my problem in this new bzflag version.. my server could not be registered...`
`15:11.00`	`Manu_1`	`now with this patch allways can register in listserver`
`15:11.18`	`Manu_1`	`throw a damn... transparent-proxy`
`15:11.29`	`Chestal`	`transparent proxies are an abomination`
`15:11.40`	`Manu_1`	`yes.. i'm feeling in silence... :)`
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`15:11.53`	`Manu_1`	`only good for isp`
`15:11.59`	`tapo`	`what a fight. :-)`
`15:12.20`	`Tupone`	`I think it should be done this way: open, write, shoutdown, read, wait for EOF, close`
`15:12.58`	`Manu_1`	`i also think so.. but is incorrect`
`15:13.08`	`Chestal`	`no, I am sure this is correct`
`15:13.26`	`Chestal`	`but it is my understanding that bzfs does not do so at the moment`
`15:13.32`	`Chestal`	`it does open, write, close?`
`15:13.35`	`Tupone`	`yeah`
`15:14.00`	`Manu_1`	`i have been testing in blocking and non blocking mode and if you close the socket.. the listserver don't get the ADD or REMOVE command... only get the proxy access`
`15:14.26`	`Chestal`	`Manu: possibly, that's what bzfs is doign now, bout what Tupone proposes does not close`
`15:15.22`	`Manu_1`	`i think the listserver registration is wrongly implemented`
`15:17.11`	`Tupone`	`could be my fault, but I simply used the http access that was previously used in bzfs. I realize that it was not fully standard, so the problem`
`15:17.56`	`Manu_1`	`yes... but http/1.1 is full duplex and no need full duplex in the way bzfs try to be registered in list server`
`15:18.39`	`Manu_1`	`really the listserver close the communication when get the command.. and then try to log in the game server before register in the database`
`15:19.36`	`Tupone`	`we know is wrong as implemented now, even if it works on most of the network`
`15:20.10`	`Manu_1`	`yes... if is near the listserver, no problems...`
`15:21.16`	`Manu_1`	`would be easiest send udp datagrams to the listserver...(actually the bzfs don't test anything)`
`15:32.21`	`Manu_1`	`Is in the cvs bzflag the right 1.10.2 version?`
`15:32.41`	`Chestal`	`anon cvs? don't know, it always lags behind, but noone knows how much`
`15:33.23`	`Manu_1`	`my compilation said yes.. bzflag-1.10.2.20031221.....`
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`16:03.23`	`Pimpinella`	`in build process ncurses wont be found`
`16:03.38`	`Pimpinella`	`configure: WARNING: could not find a curses library, will build bzadmin without curses`
`16:04.11`	`Pimpinella`	`how can i tell ./configure where to find it?`
`16:05.10`	`Manu_1`	`do you have curses library?`
`16:05.57`	`Pimpinella`	`ncurses is installed and working (at least debconf used it a minute before)`
`16:06.41`	`Manu_1`	`i have compiled from cvs 15 minutes ago and no problems`
`16:07.22`	`Pimpinella`	`hm`
`16:07.36`	`Manu_1`	`but you get only a warning. the bzflag must compile ok`
`16:08.21`	`Pimpinella`	`compile is still running, only bzadmin wont work i think`
`16:08.23`	`Chestal`	`Pimpi: maybe you're missing libncurses-dev?`
`16:08.36`	`Pimpinella`	`dont need it anyway`
`16:08.43`	`Pimpinella`	`!`
`16:09.09`	`Pimpinella`	`manchmal ist man einfach zu doof`
`16:09.25`	`Pimpinella`	`Chestal: tnx`
`16:14.37`	`Pimpinella`	`no warning anymore :)`
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`18:02.53`	`learner`	`aua, I knew I shouldn't a slept so much`
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`18:04.58`	`learner`	`mornin' fiber`
`18:05.02`	`Chestal`	`learner: what's the status of 1.10.2?`
`18:05.18`	`learner`	`status as in ?`
`18:05.25`	`Noodleman`	`released :-)`
`18:05.30`	`learner`	`yea :)`
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`18:05.51`	`fiberchunks_`	`mornin`
`18:05.53`	`learner`	`we tagged and made releases last night`
`18:06.03`	`learner`	`there's a v1_10_2 tag`
`18:06.05`	`Chestal`	`should we then tag again and go to 1.10.3?`
`18:06.15`	`Chestal`	`for further changes now`
`18:06.22`	`learner`	`tag again?`
`18:06.36`	`Chestal`	`no more changes should be made to 1.10.2`
`18:06.45`	`Chestal`	`don't want to have different flavours of it flying around`
`18:06.53`	`learner`	`ah, you mean bump the rev number`
`18:06.57`	`Chestal`	`or maybe not tag, but increase the version`
`18:07.01`	`learner`	`yea, okay`
`18:07.05`	`Chestal`	`not quite sure what this tagging is about :-)`
`18:07.14`	`learner`	`it's a marker in cvs`
`18:07.40`	`Sasami`	`when will people be able to work in a 1.11.xx branch?`
`18:07.45`	`Chestal`	`shouldn't it then be tagged, _after_ we have built the release packages?`
`18:07.51`	`learner`	`cvs checkout -r v1_10_2 bzflag will get you the revision of files that are marked with that tag`
`18:08.13`	`Chestal`	`usually soem changes occur while releasing`
`18:08.23`	`Chestal`	`strange Window stuff etc. :-)`
`18:09.01`	`Sasami`	`is that not why it was suposed to be a 1.10.1 testing build`
`18:09.07`	`learner`	`tags can always be deleted/readded/moved to different revisions too if something really significant was missed (like what happened last night)`
`18:09.19`	`Sasami`	`to get all those "little changes" then make it 1.10.2`
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`18:11.37`	`CIA-1`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (version.h): bump up the current cvs version post-release to keep the numbers straight`
`18:11.54`	`learner`	`there we go, commit away ;)`
`18:12.13`	`Chestal`	`hurrah :-)`
`18:12.33`	`learner`	`is anyone working on the other distro's?`
`18:13.10`	`learner`	`redhat rpm, source rpm, debian`
`18:13.17`	`Patlabor221`	`I could make a debian if you need it, if somone tells me how`
`18:13.54`	`learner`	`ah, how fun when only one person knows how to make those ;)`
`18:14.04`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`18:14.18`	`Patlabor221`	`or I can give ssh access to sasami to who ever wants to try`
`18:14.21`	`Noodleman`	`i'm doing redhat rpm's`
`18:14.29`	`learner`	`woo hoo, noodle`
`18:14.37`	`learner`	`noodle, you have 10.2 right?`
`18:14.46`	`learner`	`os x`
`18:14.49`	`Noodleman`	`i have 10.3, actually`
`18:15.22`	`CIA-1`	`03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): do not propogate MsgPlayerUpdate when sending player is already dead; should get rid of "post-teamkilling zombie flash"`
`18:16.11`	`learner`	`Chestal: what was the final outcome of the tiff between you, tupone, and manu?`
`18:16.27`	`learner`	`Noodleman: okay, no matter then`
`18:17.13`	`Chestal`	`learner: hasn't really been resolved. So it's "should be investigated at sometime in the future"`
`18:17.37`	`learner`	`manu's patch wouldn't work? that was along the lines with what I was going to add`
`18:17.49`	`learner`	`just need to recv the response`
`18:17.56`	`Chestal`	`he seemed to busy wait in a loop`
`18:17.58`	`learner`	`at least a partial`
`18:18.02`	`Chestal`	`the recv must be done asynchronously`
`18:18.08`	`Chestal`	`as everythign else in bzfs`
`18:18.22`	`Chestal`	`we cannot afford bzfs sitting anywhere for more than 1-5ms`
`18:19.13`	`learner`	`problem is that the connection is hand-made right there..`
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`18:19.33`	`learner`	`you could add a timer to the loop`
`18:19.37`	`learner`	`speak of the devil`
`18:19.46`	`learner`	`mornin' manu`
`18:20.06`	`jujibo`	`no... (19:20 PM here)`
`18:20.23`	`learner`	`in IGT it's morning for you :)`
`18:20.35`	`jujibo`	`:)`
`18:21.15`	`jujibo`	`it's the cvs version the 1.10.2 final?`
`18:21.24`	`learner`	`not anymore`
`18:21.41`	`learner`	`you'll need to checkout -r v1_10_2 to get the tagged version`
`18:21.58`	`learner`	`can you rebuild the slackware dist?`
`18:22.30`	`Chestal`	`hmm, why is ListSerevrLink.nextMesasge a char* and not an enum?`
`18:22.38`	`jujibo`	`i have the latest cvs in a slackware package... from cvs said 1.10.2.20031221`
`18:23.09`	`learner`	`it was left at 1.10.2 since last night whilst i slept`
`18:23.12`	`learner`	`:)`
`18:23.18`	`learner`	`should be fine`
`18:23.44`	`jujibo`	`well then i have the final package`
`18:24.30`	`learner`	`cool, can you resend me or post?`
`18:25.16`	`jujibo`	`yes.... i have been playing 1 hour ago and run fine!`
`18:25.29`	`jujibo`	`where i can send to you?`
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`18:52.20`	`CIA-1`	`03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): make ListServerLink::nextMessage an enum and give it a better name`
`18:58.28`	`Noodleman_laptop`	`rpm's are up`
`19:03.43`	`learner`	`noodle.. did you hide 1.10.0 or something?`
`19:03.57`	`learner`	`the listing is wrong`
`19:04.30`	`Tupone`	`it's all ok`
`19:04.35`	`Noodleman`	`learner: i didn't hide anything`
`19:04.54`	`learner`	`odd..`
`19:05.16`	`learner`	`OOoh.. you added source rpm too`
`19:05.18`	`learner`	`duh`
`19:05.19`	`learner`	`sorry`
`19:05.22`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`19:05.23`	`Noodleman`	`np`
`19:05.49`	`Tupone`	`we should try to inform gentoo guys`
`19:06.09`	`learner`	`the whole list listed in the README should be informed`
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`19:09.50`	`Sasami`	`yay for exploding power grids!!!`
`19:10.02`	`fiberchunks_`	`read about that -- did that affect you sas?`
`19:10.53`	`Sasami`	`huh?`
`19:10.59`	`Sasami`	`transformer just poped here`
`19:11.08`	`Sasami`	`blew out power for 45 sec`
`19:11.14`	`Sasami`	`but I heard it, it was funny :)`
`19:11.15`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`19:11.34`	`Sasami`	`hope learner wasn't in the middle of a build on sasami`
`19:11.47`	`fiberchunks`	`there was a fire in a power station in SF from what I read, knocked out power I guess (only briefly read it)`
`19:12.09`	`learner`	`not unless sasami is a 64bit irix server`
`19:12.28`	`Sasami`	`hey I never know what kinda hardware I havre here :)`
`19:24.05`	`Tupone`	`learner: did you add 1.11 task list on sf?`
`19:29.34`	`learner`	`yep`
`19:30.02`	`Tupone`	`good. Empty, still!`
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`19:46.07`	`learner`	`~translate es en placar`
`19:46.18`	`learner`	`~translate en es placate`
`19:46.24`	`learner`	`bah!`
`19:46.52`	`Manu_1`	`realmente es calmar..... :)`
`19:47.02`	`learner`	`:)`
`19:47.18`	`learner`	`~translate en es appease`
`19:47.28`	`learner`	`that's closer`
`19:47.30`	`Manu_1`	`apaciguar....`
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`20:03.36`	`Noodleman`	`\|tim\|: i'm uploading BZFlag::Info 1.9.1, which fixes a few little bugs in 1.9.0`
`20:03.44`	`Noodleman`	`just in case you were interested`
`20:03.54`	`Noodleman`	`it should be in CPAN in an hour or so`
`20:05.39`	`learner`	`cool`
`20:05.58`	`learner`	`Noodleman: you noticed that I commited the previous patch to cvs, yes?`
`20:06.10`	`Noodleman`	`ah, no i didn't :-)`
`20:06.38`	`Noodleman`	`where is it in CVS?`
`20:06.42`	`learner`	`heh, odd.. I closed out the patch too :)`
`20:06.55`	`learner`	`it's in misc/stats/.`
`20:07.14`	`Noodleman`	`ah, ok`
`20:07.23`	`learner`	`probably not in the 1.10.2 download.. don't think it was added to the dist yet`
`20:07.35`	`learner`	`need to update the makefiles`
`20:07.54`	`learner`	`http://brlcad.org/bzflag/cvs/misc/stats/`
`20:08.10`	`Noodleman`	`we'll have to update that with the newer module`
`20:08.16`	`Noodleman`	`it now does 1.10`
`20:08.36`	`learner`	`i figured/hoped :)`
`20:12.12`	`Noodleman`	`and it's a lot more comprehesive`
`20:12.28`	`learner`	`coo`
`20:12.41`	`Noodleman`	`it grabs more fun junk, for all the fun junk junkies wanting to grab fun junk ;-)`
`20:12.53`	`learner`	`i figured it'd "grow" .. that's why I kept your structure to keep everything contained`
`20:13.06`	`learner`	`heeh`
`20:13.27`	`Noodleman`	`do you want the backend script for stats.bzflag.org too?`
`20:13.35`	`Noodleman`	`it is pretty specialized, tho`
`20:13.47`	`Noodleman`	`kinda`
`20:13.49`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`20:14.25`	`\|tim\|`	`Ok Noodleman, thanks`
`20:15.08`	`learner`	`the more the merrier`
`20:15.26`	`Noodleman`	`i might have to clean it up, it's quite messy`
`20:16.33`	`Noodleman`	`well, maybe i don't want anyone seeing it quite yet`
`20:16.46`	`Noodleman`	`i'd like to make it multithreaded`
`20:16.56`	`Noodleman`	`to query more than one server at once`
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`20:19.27`	`Skipp`	`hello`
`20:19.45`	`Quol`	`Hey Skipp - how are ya?`
`20:20.05`	`Skipp`	`pretty good, how about u?`
`20:20.15`	`Quol`	`not bad thanks`
`20:20.19`	`Noodleman`	`hey hey hey`
`20:20.25`	`Skipp`	`what's up noodleman`
`20:20.30`	`Noodleman`	`nothing much`
`20:20.34`	`Noodleman`	`coding`
`20:20.35`	`learner`	`Noodleman, don't you have cvs access?`
`20:20.36`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`20:20.51`	`learner`	`you have release perm, but not cvs?`
`20:20.53`	`Noodleman`	`learner: i'm not sure if it's readonly or not`
`20:21.00`	`learner`	`ah`
`20:21.18`	`Skipp`	`u guys should visit the bips site: www.geocities.com/bzflag_bips`
`20:21.24`	`Skipp`	`sign the guestbook :)`
`20:21.31`	`learner`	`ah, well, I don't think it's a problem for at least misc/stats`
`20:21.48`	`learner`	`since you did it and all :)`
`20:21.53`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
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`20:22.52`	`Skipp`	`u guys seen badin today?`
`20:22.58`	`Skipp`	`or rembo?`
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`20:26.18`	`*** topic/#bzflag by Tupone -> http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://stats.BZFlag.org/ \|\| forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ \|\| ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!user@.dip.t-dialin.net \|\| http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/16/0119206 \|\| 1.10.2 is out`
`20:31.54`	`kroboto`	`is there a limit on the number of teleporters in the maps? 1.7gx and 1.10 have issues with one of my maps.`
`20:33.08`	`Noodleman`	`what issues, and what map?`
`20:34.06`	`kroboto`	`on linux only, both client versions lockup. and it is ONLY when this one map is used. My metropolis2 map`
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`20:45.19`	`learner`	`drat...`
`20:45.26`	`learner`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`20:51.27`	`tapo`	`there's this "L" key to have tank labels. That never worked on my computer -- is it a special 3D X feauture my graphics card lacks? (linux)`
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`20:52.23`	`Manu_1`	`it worked for me. In observer mode...you can read the tanks player label`
`20:54.29`	`tapo`	`I thought in normal game playing...`
`20:54.54`	`Manu_1`	`he he... so you could see a ST player.... :)`
`20:56.19`	`tapo`	`st? stealth? you see him, he's not cloaked :). I thought those labels to be in the normal display,. above every tankl.. :-)`
`20:56.42`	`Manu_1`	`i wanted to say can identify a player by his label...`
`20:57.16`	`Manu_1`	`easy to hunt a player in this way`
`20:57.19`	`tapo`	`just updated the client to 1.0.10.2. shall I test? I shouldn't :]`
`20:58.01`	`tapo`	`two times king of bzflag.hashmark.net should be enough... last quit was at 87...`
`20:58.08`	`Manu_1`	`.try it... 1.10.2! (press F12 to be invincible)`
`20:58.17`	`tapo`	`:-)`
`20:58.27`	`tapo`	`s/0./`
`20:58.39`	`Manu_1`	`and 9 key.... perhaps better than you... ;-)`
`21:07.41`	`learner`	`woo hoo.. almost building on irix`
`21:12.35`	`Noodleman`	`Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.`
`21:13.58`	`Manu_1`	`really true!`
`21:14.05`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`21:14.13`	`Manu_1`	`i kew it... :)`
`21:14.17`	`Manu_1`	`knew...`
`21:23.47`	`JBdiGriz`	`learner: Have you checked in the mac changes?`
`21:26.42`	`learner`	`yes cough ahem`
`21:26.48`	`CIA-1`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj (project.pbxproj): some updates to the project for files added`
`21:27.15`	`learner`	`there's still the singleton/directory problem`
`21:32.57`	`JBdiGriz`	`I guess CIA is a little slow on reporting these things :)`
`21:33.17`	`learner`	`very`
`21:33.50`	`JBdiGriz`	`What was the change for the 10.2 issue?`
`21:34.01`	`learner`	`i built on 10.2 :)`
`21:34.15`	`JBdiGriz`	`ah :)`
`21:34.57`	`learner`	`it's a "hack" build -- but it actually has some advantages`
`21:36.22`	`learner`	`i built in 10.2 via make and via xcode in 10.3, then 1) deleted the embedded frameworks in the app bundle and 2) copied the binaries from 10.2 over the app bundle onces -- results in much smaller binaries for some reason`
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`21:39.08`	`scanline`	`JBdiGriz: it's mostly sourceforge's mail server being bogged down`
`21:39.50`	`learner`	`yeah.. that's it..`
`21:40.44`	`learner`	`scanline: I'd bet CIA is a large culprit for that :)`
`21:41.05`	`scanline`	`hehe`
`21:41.15`	`scanline`	`I think all the really high-traffic projects on CIA are hosted elsewhere though`
`21:41.24`	`learner`	`given the amount of traffic in #commits and the number of e-mails going out for some of the high-traffic projects :)`
`21:41.55`	`learner`	`it'd be an interesting statistic`
`21:46.06`	`scanline`	`hm.. I could probaby add a stats ruleset that would collect anything with sourceforge in the email headers :)`
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`22:00.23`	`tapo`	`with client 1.10.2, in the server list it says 255 rogue tanks on bzflag.hashmark.net.`
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`22:00.38`	`tapo`	`blue`
`22:00.53`	`learner`	`it said that before occasionally too`
`22:04.28`	`Grumbler`	`ugggg.....i just experienced the no lock bug.....`
`22:04.42`	`Grumbler`	`none could lock on to me with gm`
`22:05.11`	`Grumbler`	`i tried rejoining.......and it looked like it didnt change, either that or the guy with gm was playing with me`
`22:05.48`	`learner`	`using 1.10.2 ?`
`22:05.48`	`Grumbler`	`and considering it was Quatum Dot that is a probablity`
`22:05.57`	`Grumbler`	`no, is .2 out?`
`22:06.03`	`learner`	`for some platforms`
`22:06.11`	`Grumbler`	`winderz`
`22:06.12`	`Grumbler`	`?`
`22:06.16`	`learner`	`s/some/most/`
`22:06.17`	`learner`	`yes`
`22:06.31`	`Grumbler`	`on my way`
`22:06.36`	`learner`	`all but sgi and debian right now, i believe`
`22:06.46`	`learner`	`spread the word :)`
`22:07.00`	`Grumbler`	`spreading`
`22:07.02`	`david_v`	`hehe`
`22:07.07`	`david_v`	`learner: BTW did you get my query before?`
`22:07.14`	`learner`	`i did not`
`22:07.23`	`david_v`	`ok i'll just take it here :)`
`22:07.24`	`JBdiGriz`	`he's spreading something, it seems to promote growth.`
`22:07.47`	`Grumbler`	`!lart JBdiGriz`
`22:07.49`	`david_v`	`learner: i was thinking about this event: http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=1263`
`22:07.58`	`Grumbler`	`:)`
`22:08.13`	`david_v`	`learner: i just wonder if it will be a "burden" for the people who usually op here, or if you think you'll have time for it`
`22:08.43`	`david_v`	`learner: otherwise i could move it to another channel. i guess it's not much of a deal but i'd like to know ahead of time :)`
`22:08.52`	`Noodleman`	`how do you do a debian build? i can do that`
`22:09.09`	`learner`	`hehe, i like SGI's reponse :)`
`22:09.18`	`david_v`	`learner: i should also point out that i don't yet know how many will come... but... i am expecting one or two troublemakers, unfortunately`
`22:09.26`	`Noodleman`	`i always like SGI's response to everything`
`22:09.28`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`22:09.35`	`david_v`	`hehe SGI is... well... SGI :)`
`22:09.44`	`learner`	`david_v: what do you mean by "have time for it"?`
`22:10.02`	`learner`	`i don't see a problem with it`
`22:10.04`	`david_v`	`learner: i mean, are you ops willing to watch the channel for trouble?`
`22:10.07`	`learner`	`it's what the channel is for, no?`
`22:10.20`	`david_v`	`yes, i just wonder if it collides with any schedule of yours :)`
`22:10.25`	`learner`	`ah, that kind of observation :)`
`22:10.30`	`david_v`	`hmm :)`
`22:10.44`	`learner`	`let's see..`
`22:11.00`	`david_v`	`i'm a little unclear sometimes :)`
`22:11.08`	`JBdiGriz`	`Interesting topic. it shouldn't be a problem. I especially liked the "I'm misunderstood" post.`
`22:11.15`	`david_v`	`i think it's -6 or -7 ;)`
`22:11.29`	`JBdiGriz`	`learner: you should be -5, we're -8 around here.`
`22:11.35`	`learner`	`david_v: someone is almost always around, so I think any time you pick is fine`
`22:11.50`	`david_v`	`learner: ok thanks then`
`22:12.04`	`learner`	`2pm on a sunday? pffssh... yea. i"ll be here`
`22:12.22`	`david_v`	`well... i just picked something ;)`
`22:13.36`	`learner`	`yes.. the crowd already responding is an interesting and often dangerous mix .. heh ;)`
`22:14.02`	`learner`	`like that david_v fella.. he's trouble I tell you`
`22:14.17`	`JBdiGriz`	`http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/`
`22:14.41`	`david_v`	`learner: hear, hear... thanks ;)`
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`22:14.56`	`Grumbler`	`ok new client seems faster......whats up with that`
`22:14.56`	`JBdiGriz`	`Watch out for anyone named "David" you know it's a pseudonym`
`22:15.01`	`learner`	`jessh.. what is the irix compiler wanting:`
`22:15.02`	`david_v`	`hehe`
`22:15.02`	`learner`	`cc-3303 CC: WARNING File = ../../include/Team.h, Line = 36`
`22:15.03`	`learner`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:15.24`	`Grumbler`	`have a good day/night/afternoon, i am off.`
`22:15.26`	`Tupone`	`hi learner`
`22:15.27`	`david_v`	`cya`
`22:15.38`	`learner`	`hola tupone`
`22:15.53`	`Tupone`	`irix compiling eh?`
`22:16.03`	`learner`	`yea.. making progress`
`22:16.10`	`learner`	`lots of little things i never noticed`
`22:17.13`	`Tupone`	`what you wanna do? fix and release bin as 1.10.2 (no) or this is for the next version (yes)`
`22:19.30`	`Tupone`	`why there was a const bool on that line?`
`22:19.41`	`learner`	`irix compiler is usually one of the "nosiest" in terms of generating warnings and errors in my experience, but "usually" is mostly good complaining`
`22:20.21`	`captain_proton`	`learner: i did the irix stuff with gcc last time`
`22:20.48`	`learner`	`yea.. this system doesn't have a full gcc install`
`22:21.10`	`learner`	`and the irix compiler kicks gcc's *ss when it comes to performance`
`22:21.26`	`learner`	`at least on mips`
`22:21.30`	`captain_proton`	`yeah`
`22:21.32`	`captain_proton`	`but you see`
`22:21.36`	`captain_proton`	`i don't have the irix compiler :)`
`22:21.40`	`learner`	`ah hehe`
`22:22.28`	`learner`	`it's actually _still_ one of the best optimizing compilers out there today -- and they haven't updated it really in almost 6 years`
`22:22.55`	`captain_proton`	`uhhuh`
`22:23.01`	`learner`	`i think most of the gurus that they had have been hired on at other companies, and have been spending time reimplementing their own wheels`
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`22:23.38`	`learner`	`i know a couple went to intel, a couple to ibm, one or two to apple`
`22:27.27`	`learner`	`somebody keeps qualifying member names .. i wonder who/why`
`22:28.46`	`tapo`	`hmmm,, I need children protection in my bzflag. protection for kids 35 and up... :-)`
`22:43.21`	`learner`	`woo hoo.. libcommon now done on irix`
`22:48.49`	`CIA-1`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (commands.cxx): protect if c++ compat headers are unavailable`
`22:51.55`	`CIA-1`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (4 files): A qualified name is not allowed in a member declaration.`
`22:55.56`	`CIA-1`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (Team.h): A const type qualifier on a bool return type is meaningless.`
`22:57.16`	`CIA-1`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (Singleton.h): check for atexit and if not available, leave things into the hand of the compiler`
`22:57.40`	`captain_proton`	`so`
`22:57.57`	`captain_proton`	`whats on the slate for 10.4/12.0/2.0?`
`22:58.28`	`Chestal`	`bug fixes :-)`
`22:58.32`	`CIA-1`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/common (Team.cxx): A const type qualifier on a bool return type is meaningless.`
`22:58.59`	`Chestal`	`apart from the BIG plans, better spawning is needed`
`22:59.02`	`captain_proton`	`its weird to do releases without 6 months lag time in between`
`22:59.27`	`learner`	`weird? heh`
`22:59.47`	`captain_proton`	`learner: first time in my 5-6 years :)`
`23:00.02`	`learner`	`once a month at least .. :)`
`23:00.33`	`scanline`	`learner: hmm.. why bother destroying singletons on exit explicitly?`
`23:00.47`	`captain_proton`	`thats a good question`
`23:01.03`	`Chestal`	`can be useful if the singleton needs to do some cleanup`
`23:01.06`	`scanline`	`most things just don't matter at exit.. and anything that does could very easily be done in the wrong order`
`23:01.15`	`Chestal`	`otherwise it might never be destroyed`
`23:01.21`	`learner`	`because in the original, more complicated version, you could actually control singleton destruction`
`23:01.33`	`captain_proton`	`Chestal: i didn't think bzflag was a TSR...`
`23:01.38`	`scanline`	`hehe`
`23:01.50`	`Chestal`	`proton: there are resources which are not under the direct control of the OS`
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`23:02.03`	`scanline`	`Chestal: example?`
`23:02.05`	`Chestal`	`clean destruction is a good thing (tm)`
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`23:02.13`	`learner`	`so that you can do clean-up or reloading, etc, as your app desires and still letting destructors do their job instead of hacking around method calls`
`23:02.23`	`captain_proton`	`Chestal: so? destructors are still called`
`23:02.35`	`learner`	`but you can't guarantee the order`
`23:02.36`	`captain_proton`	`so you can clean up texture ids, etc`
`23:02.53`	`Chestal`	`proton: depend son the implementation of the singleton, when it's constructed via new, then dtor will never be called`
`23:03.00`	`learner`	`for the singletons we presently have it's not so much of an issue, but it could be`
`23:03.13`	`captain_proton`	`Chestal: huh? should be`
`23:03.21`	`captain_proton`	`last time i checked, the heap was cleaned up at exit`
`23:03.25`	`Chestal`	`proton: no, how could it`
`23:04.00`	`captain_proton`	`err, right`
`23:04.05`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: i need coffee ;)`
`23:04.19`	`scanline`	`yep`
`23:05.25`	`learner`	`if you guys have any creative ideas for protecting against cross-library scopes, I'm all ears`
`23:05.45`	`learner`	`for that template singleton class, that is`
`23:05.48`	`Chestal`	`scanline: well, for example the singleton could have some kidn of contact to extra-process entities, maybe via a TCP connection`
`23:06.14`	`Chestal`	`dtors are maybe the single most powerful thing there is in C++`
`23:06.15`	`scanline`	`Chestal: sure, it could in theory.. but does anything actually work like that now?`
`23:06.25`	`Chestal`	`scanline: for bzflag? Don't think so`
`23:06.28`	`scanline`	`destructors are overrated :)`
`23:06.36`	`Chestal`	`nope`
`23:06.39`	`Chestal`	`they are still underrated`
`23:06.45`	`Chestal`	`resource management is hell in Java for example`
`23:06.48`	`captain_proton`	`template specialization is the most powerful feature ;)`
`23:06.57`	`scanline`	`eep`
`23:06.59`	`Chestal`	`that's powerful, too`
`23:07.04`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: the rip failed, my /home filled up`
`23:07.06`	`captain_proton`	`since it turns templates into a turing-complete sublanguage =D`
`23:07.09`	`Chestal`	`but templates are still somewahat beyond me`
`23:07.13`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: so use /navi/tmp/transcode`
`23:07.43`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: NFS is cranky on yoshi, it's easier to delete the three other DVDs from /home :)`
`23:08.21`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: heh, k`
`23:08.41`	`captain_proton`	`http://osl.iu.edu/~tveldhui/papers/Template-Metaprograms/meta-art.html`
`23:09.14`	`captain_proton`	`that article is a fairly gentle introduction`
`23:09.22`	`Chestal`	`Metaprogramming is cool`
`23:09.32`	`learner`	`so no ideas for my problem, though? :(`
`23:09.36`	`Chestal`	`but templates are a bit crappy actually`
`23:09.47`	`Chestal`	`on the other hand I don't think there is anythign better out there`
`23:10.17`	`captain_proton`	`nope, not with the silly C++/java/etc style of OO`
`23:10.25`	`captain_proton`	`(even java is introducing containers, iirc)`
`23:10.30`	`Chestal`	`I don't think there is even somethign comparable in any language`
`23:10.47`	`Chestal`	`the concepts are still not well-understood`
`23:10.58`	`captain_proton`	`well - dynamic typing sidesteps most of the issue`
`23:11.13`	`Chestal`	`I don't like dynamic typing in general`
`23:11.22`	`Chestal`	`type inference like in ocaml is cool`
`23:11.30`	`captain_proton`	`type inference is -the bomb-`
`23:11.51`	`captain_proton`	`probably the coolest programming language feature i've ever seen`
`23:11.59`	`Chestal`	`but sadly, OO and genericty in ocaml does not really look that nice`
`23:12.03`	`learner`	`Chestal: how long would you say is a reasonable wait for a http response?`
`23:12.23`	`Chestal`	`and C++ still remains the only language where you can achieve zero abstaraction penalty in lots of cases`
`23:12.52`	`Chestal`	`learner: well, depends :-)`
`23:13.07`	`Chestal`	`a couple seconds I assume`
`23:13.13`	`learner`	`for bzfs bzfls chatter :)`
`23:13.27`	`Chestal`	`hopefully bzfls woudl respond in <0.5s`
`23:13.45`	`captain_proton`	`wouldn't it be nice if we had a threading model? :)`
`23:13.47`	`learner`	`it should, in my tests much much faster still`
`23:13.58`	`learner`	`captain_proton: :)`
`23:14.12`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: or a good way to do asynchronous I/O?`
`23:14.18`	`Chestal`	`bzfs way of demultiplexing is ok, too`
`23:14.32`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: that too`
`23:14.37`	`captain_proton`	`or even better`
`23:14.38`	`captain_proton`	`both!`
`23:14.41`	`learner`	`i think we'll have a great solution for a multithreaded bzfs for 1.11`
`23:14.41`	`Chestal`	`some of the messiness shoudl be abstracted away into classes, though`
`23:15.25`	`Chestal`	`maybe all of the sockets in bzfs should be handled by one master socket collection class`
`23:15.39`	`Chestal`	`which would then dispatch the work automatically`
`23:15.57`	`learner`	`yes`
`23:16.16`	`Chestal`	`I dont udnerstand this HTTP issue completely though`
`23:16.21`	`learner`	`exactly.. and a general threading interface for handling "subtasks" that can get plugged into the main loop`
`23:16.22`	`Chestal`	`bzfs curerntly calls send, shutdown, close`
`23:16.35`	`Chestal`	`that would guarantee delivery of the data (as far as TCP can), no?`
`23:16.47`	`captain_proton`	`Chestal: yes`
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`23:16.56`	`Chestal`	`so it's a special HTTP issue in that transparent proxies are allowed to dump the data in case of an early close?`
`23:17.02`	`captain_proton`	`unless the socket gets reset in between`
`23:17.38`	`learner`	`the socket is reset while the data is still in flight, proxy isn't finishing the relay`
`23:17.42`	`Chestal`	`we coud simply use another port of course :-)`
`23:18.09`	`learner`	`we're still supposed to listen for a response, though`
`23:18.23`	`Chestal`	`theoretically we are, yes`
`23:18.30`	`Chestal`	`should get a 200`
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`23:18.54`	`Chestal`	`does bzfls return any data for add or remove?`
`23:18.55`	`learner`	`i dump the response in debug4`
`23:19.00`	`learner`	`yes`
`23:20.36`	`learner`	`might be debug blather, though -- because there is no reponse on simple player add remove updates`
`23:20.59`	`learner`	`beyond the http header that it returns, that is`
`23:22.21`	`Pimpinella`	`maybe the title is different in english`
`23:22.33`	`Chestal`	`sounds English to me :-)`
`23:22.43`	`Chestal`	`maybe I'll watch it tomorrow in English`
`23:23.01`	`Pimpinella`	`kammannjaniewissn`
`23:23.57`	`Pimpinella`	`uh, where?`
`23:24.42`	`Chestal`	`here :-)`
`23:24.55`	`Pimpinella`	`siegen?`
`23:25.21`	`Chestal`	`in a town called Hilchenbach close to Siegen, http://viktoria-kino.de`
`23:25.46`	`Pimpinella`	`nowhere here u can see it in english`
`23:26.00`	`Chestal`	`where do you live?`
`23:26.16`	`Chestal`	`German dubbing is usually pretty good`
`23:26.22`	`learner`	`even when they are not in english`
`23:26.24`	`Chestal`	`probably world's best`
`23:26.38`	`learner`	`I'd rather hear german actors in german, than some dubbed voice`
`23:27.00`	`learner`	`give me subtitles any day of the week`
`23:27.44`	`Chestal`	`only movies with subtitles I watch are Japanese ones`
`23:27.56`	`Chestal`	`still, it's somewhat distracting`
`23:28.17`	`Chestal`	`bu tin spite of quite a few such mvoies I watched I still don't understand a word :-)`
`23:29.50`	`learner`	`but you can miss so much of the movie when you don't hear the tone of the person speaking -- this is especially important for comedies`
`23:30.27`	`learner`	`eddie murphy, for example, was one of the main reasons that made shreck such a big success`
`23:30.39`	`Pimpinella`	`g'nite all`
`23:30.43`	`learner`	`there are dubbings on the dvd that are some of the best I've ever heard`
`23:30.57`	`Chestal`	`yes, but subtitles distract away from the image`
`23:30.58`	`learner`	`but it still didn't convey the same humor, as good as it was`
`23:31.15`	`Chestal`	`in rare cases, the dubbed version improves on the original :-)`
`23:31.25`	`learner`	`heh, rare :)`
`23:31.27`	`Chestal`	`happens mostly when the original version is crap, though`
`23:31.39`	`learner`	`yep`
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`23:32.49`	`learner`	`i didn't like subtitles much until I learned the language I was listening to fluently (spanish) -- i was missing so much. I can read fast enough but it did take a few movies to get used to it.`
`23:33.40`	`Chestal`	`most movies I watch are dubbed in German`
`23:33.48`	`Chestal`	`now and then it is one in English`
`23:33.57`	`Chestal`	`I probably miss some subtleties then`
`23:34.05`	`Chestal`	`but for LotR it should be ok`
`23:34.38`	`Chestal`	`or maybe I'll watch it twice, once in German, onec in English`
`23:34.55`	`learner`	`:)`
`23:35.00`	`learner`	`at least :)`
`23:35.32`	`Chestal`	`I'll probably need one viewing to get over the adjustments to the story, so I can enjoy it the second time around :-)`
`23:35.49`	`learner`	`i wanted the first LotR (extended) 3 times in one day (the whole day mostly), listening to director commentary, actors, etc`
`23:36.24`	`Chestal`	`I'd liek to view the long version on the big screen`
`23:36.36`	`learner`	`listening to the actors that play merry and pippen on both the extended editions released is hilarious!`
`23:36.55`	`Chestal`	`maybe in a few years there will be tripel features with the SEE :-)`
`23:37.36`	`learner`	`they had "marathon" runs here right before the third was releasedd in some theaters -- playing both extended editions back to back`
`23:37.46`	`learner`	`with a break for lunch :)`
`23:38.00`	`learner`	`over 8 hours`
`23:38.17`	`learner`	`that's a movie :)`
`23:38.53`	`learner`	`cool, I'm getting back a response of .01 to .02 sec delay from the list server`
`23:39.05`	`learner`	`i think this will work`
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`23:54.26`	`kroboto`	`umm. . . is there a way to take a screenshot while in bzflag full screen?`
`23:54.48`	`learner`	`depends on your OS`
`23:54.51`	`kroboto`	`linux, btw`
`23:55.05`	`learner`	`log in remote and use xscreencapture :)`
`23:55.17`	`Tupone`	`press F5`
`23:55.57`	`kroboto`	`yeah, speeking of F5. how would I convert the raw RGB file to something usable?`
`23:56.11`	`kroboto`	`gimp wont touch it`
`23:56.15`	`Tupone`	`learner knows`
`23:56.32`	`Chestal`	`pnmtools maybe?`
`23:56.44`	`Chestal`	`rawtoppm? not sure`
`23:56.55`	`learner`	`gimp handles http://www.ne.jp/asahi/linux/timecop/loader.html`
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`23:57.40`	`learner`	`it's trivial to convert a raw image file to a ppm by hand`
`23:58.22`	`kroboto`	`you have obviously not met me before learner!`
`23:58.51`	`learner`	`requires adding three lines to the begging of the file with a text editor`
`23:59.03`	`kroboto`	`that i can do`
`23:59.07`	`learner`	`P6`
`23:59.10`	`learner`	`width height`
`23:59.11`	`learner`	`255`
`23:59.32`	`learner`	`and rename the bad boy to blah.ppm and should work`

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