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| 00:29.42 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (DEVINFO): added a section with steps on how to make a release |
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| 01:08.15 | MrApathyCream | Hi Boys |
| 01:16.27 | Tupone | Hi MrA |
| 01:17.13 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 01:17.43 | Tupone | Still get some segv, but never when I'm with gdb :) |
| 01:18.09 | MrApathyCream | heh, bzfs? |
| 01:19.00 | Tupone | client. but really I don't know. I play with 2 client. one is with and other without joystick. |
| 01:19.14 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 01:19.40 | Tupone | I got normally when the admin or bzfs kill me (for lag, a superkill) |
| 01:20.09 | Tupone | the one with joystick is a patched client |
| 01:20.25 | Tupone | so could be this patch? who know? |
| 01:20.38 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 01:20.59 | Tupone | Have you heard thief.wav now! |
| 01:21.15 | fhffhqvb | it no longer induces migraines? |
| 01:21.28 | Tupone | it was bad sampled |
| 01:21.52 | fhffhqvb | it should just be "Hi, this is the IRS, we've come to audit you" over and over again |
| 01:22.19 | Tupone | IRS? |
| 01:22.27 | fhffhqvb | ~irs |
| 01:22.39 | fhffhqvb | meh. |
| 01:22.46 | fhffhqvb | the taxman |
| 01:22.52 | Tupone | k |
| 01:23.18 | Tupone | :) lol |
| 01:24.26 | MrApathyCream | downloading now |
| 01:24.29 | fhffhqvb | and maybe for you "questo è il suo dirigente, sono realmente ladro, ma cambierò la legge cosí lei non me può dichiarare colpevole" |
| 01:25.01 | Tupone | Understand! |
| 01:25.48 | Tupone | MrApathyCream: I would like to discuss the Rabbit score. It is not so "good", even if no other bugs are around |
| 01:28.38 | MrApathyCream | Do you mean how a new rabbit is picked? |
| 01:29.01 | Tupone | yeah. Get an example |
| 01:29.19 | Tupone | one does not kill any and was shot 8 |
| 01:29.24 | Tupone | score is 0 |
| 01:29.39 | MrApathyCream | yes 0 is a bad value |
| 01:29.40 | Tupone | one does kill 1 and was shot 7 |
| 01:29.51 | Tupone | score is -6 |
| 01:30.04 | Tupone | one does kill 2 and was shot 6 |
| 01:30.07 | Tupone | score is -8 |
| 01:30.46 | Tupone | it is not pretty good :) |
| 01:30.49 | MrApathyCream | so 0 scorers should be last |
| 01:31.00 | fhffhqvb | does a matrox g100 have any hardware 3d accel whatsoever? |
| 01:31.28 | Tupone | in this case Win=0 loss=8 is the best |
| 01:31.44 | Tupone | second is Win=1 loss=7 |
| 01:31.54 | Tupone | and the last is Win=2 loss=6 |
| 01:32.41 | MrApathyCream | right |
| 01:33.23 | Tupone | I'll prefer something like Win/(Win+Loss)*(1-1/2sqrt(Win+Loss)) :) I like this! |
| 01:33.47 | Tupone | it is just an average between 0 .. 1 |
| 01:34.23 | Tupone | but new player are penalized |
| 01:35.12 | Tupone | this does not suffer from strange effect! Otherwise just use the score |
| 01:37.23 | Tupone | the score suffer from the fact that 8 hour good player are always at top |
| 01:37.52 | Tupone | and a best player, playing just for half an hour are never promoted |
| 01:38.12 | Tupone | s/are/is/ |
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| 01:49.37 | fhffhqvb | or you could base rabbit score on the florida system... Loss(Loss+Loss) = Win |
| 01:50.12 | Tupone | is there a copyright on that? |
| 01:50.18 | fhffhqvb | *shrug* |
| 01:50.35 | Tupone | ciao orchidea |
| 02:02.01 | MrApathyCream | tupone change away |
| 02:02.09 | Tupone | what? |
| 02:02.27 | MrApathyCream | if you want to change the algo...go ahead |
| 02:03.21 | Tupone | I'll go with the more complicated one! in the future we could eventually select the algorithm by option |
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| 02:11.29 | fhffhqvb | an overnight soaking in laundry detergent will do miracles for the plastic parts of old computer cases..... |
| 02:11.37 | fhffhqvb | it gets rid of dust, grime, grease, bunnies..... |
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| 03:02.51 | MrApathyCream | hmmm |
| 03:03.16 | MrApathyCream | ibot, fhffhqvb? |
| 03:03.18 | | bugger all, i dunno, MrApathyCream |
| 03:03.43 | MrApathyCream | an odd bunnies references to be sure |
| 03:07.49 | CIA-1 | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): Subs the Rabbit score formula |
| 03:10.37 | fhffhqvb | =:-B |
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| 03:24.39 | StargateSG1 | howdy apathy |
| 03:29.26 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 03:32.44 | learner | how are the horsies on this cool evening? |
| 03:34.30 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 03:39.33 | fhffhqvb | how's the pigs? |
| 03:39.50 | MrApathyCream | fat |
| 03:40.50 | MrApathyCream | and the bunnies? |
| 03:40.50 | fhffhqvb | evil |
| 03:40.50 | MrApathyCream | <sussudio? |
| 03:41.02 | fhffhqvb | <MrApathyCream? |
| 03:43.24 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b sussudio!*@*] by learner |
| 03:43.50 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 03:43.52 | learner | he's been behaving.. |
| 03:43.53 | MrApathyCream | was he banned? |
| 03:44.01 | learner | his nick was |
| 03:44.08 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 03:44.13 | MrApathyCream | poor fhffudio |
| 03:44.35 | fhffhqvb | MrApathyCream: there's a not-so-subtle-clue when you /whois me. |
| 03:46.17 | MrApathyCream | hmm whois doesn't seem to do anyting for me |
| 03:46.30 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *sussudio*!*@*] by learner |
| 03:46.41 | learner | helps if I get the mask right |
| 03:47.08 | fhffhqvb | :-| |
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| 03:57.01 | MrApathyCream | so i take it that the world weapon bug was fixed? |
| 03:57.48 | MrApathyCream | - Server handles MsgKilled correctly, but client displays it as 'killed by |
| 03:57.50 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.03 | bryjen | "...killed by the cold, cruel world." :) |
| 03:59.35 | learner | yea, apparently it kills, but the killed by player id looks like it's wrong? |
| 04:00.44 | MrApathyCream | looks ok to me |
| 04:00.51 | MrApathyCream | "killed by world weapon" |
| 04:02.47 | learner | is there a server up? |
| 04:03.06 | learner | and where are there docs on how to create world weapons? |
| 04:03.10 | learner | rtfs? |
| 04:03.40 | fhffhqvb | world weapons? |
| 04:03.49 | MrApathyCream | um bzfs.6s |
| 04:03.52 | MrApathyCream | i think |
| 04:03.56 | learner | k |
| 04:03.56 | MrApathyCream | looking.... |
| 04:04.20 | MrApathyCream | yes bzfs.6s |
| 04:04.23 | MrApathyCream | man bzfs |
| 04:04.44 | MrApathyCream | weapon |
| 04:04.44 | MrApathyCream | position 0 0 0 |
| 04:04.44 | MrApathyCream | type F |
| 04:04.45 | MrApathyCream | initdelay 1 |
| 04:04.45 | MrApathyCream | delay 5 |
| 04:04.45 | learner | okay -- people have asked and I did not know. now i know. wee. |
| 04:04.45 | MrApathyCream | end |
| 04:04.49 | bryjen | there's an example in the man. not terribly informative |
| 04:05.01 | learner | :) |
| 04:05.33 | bryjen | in mine, the flag/weapon shown is V. i wonder what that does |
| 04:06.05 | bryjen | how can the world use Velocity (high speed) ? |
| 04:06.15 | MrApathyCream | well what it means is the shot is Normal |
| 04:06.49 | bryjen | ah, because V doesn't modify the shot. |
| 04:06.52 | MrApathyCream | as it's difficult to specify (no flag) |
| 04:07.49 | bryjen | maybe just leave out "type" and have it default to "no flag" ? |
| 04:08.48 | MrApathyCream | yeah it could do that, |
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| 04:09.07 | MrApathyCream | in fact it does just that |
| 04:09.16 | MrApathyCream | so yes bryjen just omit it |
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| 04:09.50 | bryjen | any idea what the for loop at the top of addPlayer in bzfs.cxx does? Maybe I'm just dense, but I Don't Get It(tm) |
| 04:10.25 | MrApathyCream | looking |
| 04:11.23 | MrApathyCream | looking for a free player slot? |
| 04:11.25 | bryjen | was looking for spurious MsgAddPlayer causing learner's client message about "server error when adding player" |
| 04:11.54 | bryjen | haven't you told it what slot with the playerIndex argument? |
| 04:13.04 | learner | yea, MAC.. ran into a nasty bug where the client received a MsgAddPlayer update for a player id that already existed -- caused the client to disconnect from server (all players) |
| 04:13.11 | fhffhqvb | meh. i got spawntrapped on my own server :-| |
| 04:13.42 | learner | i assume it's just a variant of the bug that suss uncovered earlier where a rogue client is sending a bogus id that is valid, yet already in use |
| 04:13.46 | bryjen | i dont see that loop modifing anything 'cept its index/iterator whatever |
| 04:14.22 | MrApathyCream | might be left over from when there were two ports |
| 04:14.23 | MrApathyCream | dunno |
| 04:14.35 | fhffhqvb | well i saw dorkmare was on servers again an hour ago, so chances are he's buggering up stuff now. |
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| 04:15.08 | bryjen | at first i thought it was the check for an already filled slot, which wouldve prevented the client killing |
| 04:15.15 | MrApathyCream | fhffhqvb: spawn trapped? like in, stuck in a building? |
| 04:15.25 | bryjen | but itsnot :( |
| 04:15.35 | fhffhqvb | MrApathyCream: no, like i got killed and it won't let me respawn |
| 04:18.19 | bryjen | fhffhqvb: with (1.10.0) or (1.10.2 or later) ? |
| 04:18.28 | bryjen | i havent seen that since .2 |
| 04:18.34 | fhffhqvb | 1.10.2 server, cvs client |
| 04:18.55 | bryjen | ~seen orchid |
| 04:19.00 | | orchid is currently on #bzflag (2h 32m 18s) |
| 04:19.31 | orchid | i had that respawn thing again |
| 04:19.38 | orchid | on chestals server this time |
| 04:19.44 | orchid | plus on my own |
| 04:19.44 | bryjen | did you find out any more? |
| 04:19.47 | orchid | nope |
| 04:19.52 | MrApathyCream | were you killed by a bullet, or some other way? |
| 04:19.53 | bryjen | ratz |
| 04:20.01 | fhffhqvb | world weapon |
| 04:20.07 | orchid | nope |
| 04:20.07 | MrApathyCream | ah that could splain it |
| 04:20.11 | orchid | regualr bullet |
| 04:20.14 | fhffhqvb | it would? |
| 04:20.43 | MrApathyCream | well, chestal fixed a MsgKilled problem with world weapons today |
| 04:20.51 | MrApathyCream | it might have effected that, dunno |
| 04:20.55 | fhffhqvb | :-B |
| 04:21.14 | bryjen | orchid's issue seem like a larger comms failure, chat messages and stuff not working.... |
| 04:21.16 | fhffhqvb | well it's cvs from last week |
| 04:22.45 | bryjen | kinda like bread baked fresh ... last week |
| 04:22.48 | bryjen | ;) |
| 04:28.03 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (ShotStrategy.cxx): GM doesn't track non-alive players anymore |
| 04:30.00 | bryjen | Ahh |
| 04:30.10 | MrApathyCream | works... of course |
| 04:30.51 | bryjen | methinks I've found where that loop came in |
| 04:30.56 | fiberchunks | spawnfun |
| 04:31.00 | fiberchunks | evening |
| 04:31.05 | MrApathyCream | howdy |
| 04:31.59 | fiberchunks | is the only thing preventing better spawn-ness the lack of shot knowledge server-side? |
| 04:32.13 | bryjen | bzfs.cxx v1.153 with the rabbit/king-ness to test for first player to make them it |
| 04:32.23 | MrApathyCream | fiberchunks: yes, mostly |
| 04:32.29 | fiberchunks | k, just checking |
| 04:32.31 | bryjen | but now the firstplayer flag is gone |
| 04:32.46 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 04:33.01 | fiberchunks | getting spawned into a world with many players / shots directly into bullet paths about 6 times in a row does it for me ;) |
| 04:33.31 | MrApathyCream | fiberchunks: the algo was improved to avoid be plunked down immediately next to tanks however in 1.10.3 |
| 04:33.50 | MrApathyCream | but no shot detection of course |
| 04:33.51 | fiberchunks | ah, well that's a start anyway |
| 04:34.28 | MrApathyCream | heh, learner, with auto now, robots join the observer team :) |
| 04:34.32 | MrApathyCream | i hope they enjoy it |
| 04:34.42 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 04:35.25 | learner | hehe, I noticed :) |
| 04:35.50 | learner | I tried to join 200 of them testing rabbit selection, forgetting all about the team limits.. had a _slew_ of observers.. |
| 04:38.22 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): Robots shouldn't have equal rights... Don't allow them to be observers |
| 04:39.08 | learner | if they made fun of the losers and/or campers, having them as observer could be kinda fun |
| 04:40.09 | learner | oh wow, gnalle is a paying contributor.. heh |
| 04:44.34 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (README): section on testing was moved to DEVINFO |
| 04:46.35 | MrApathyCream | talking bots, that would go over bi |
| 04:46.35 | MrApathyCream | g |
| 04:47.10 | fiberchunks | personality bots -- you could infuse a bot with your personality (or lack thereof) -- that could be interesting, although useless |
| 04:47.37 | Nivex | mmm... scorched earth all over again :) |
| 04:48.23 | fiberchunks | an admin bot would be nifty, imho |
| 04:51.22 | bryjen | hmm.. looks like that brlcad guy removed the unused firstplayer boolean, but not the logic that set it... |
| 04:52.19 | MrApathyCream | stinkin' brlcad guy |
| 04:52.28 | learner | what a careless idiot |
| 04:52.53 | MrApathyCream | fixin bryjen? |
| 04:53.21 | bryjen | i cannot commit |
| 04:53.33 | fiberchunks | seek therapy |
| 04:53.44 | fiberchunks | my gf says that all the time of me ;) |
| 04:54.40 | MrApathyCream | well post to sf |
| 04:58.56 | bryjen | tomorrow. I need to get to bed afore the wife has me committed. :) G'night all |
| 04:59.27 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:01.56 | learner | hehe |
| 05:10.26 | MrApathyCream | so learner is there a docbook viewer for these files? |
| 05:11.07 | learner | not just yet.. haven't gotten back to it since release |
| 05:32.06 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added getTeam to return a team from a team name that parallels getName |
| 05:34.11 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (HUDRenderer.cxx): implemented gnalle's sf request 774563 that colors the team flag name according to the flag that it is instead of the color of the carrier |
| 05:39.10 | learner | ah, that was fun |
| 05:41.23 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (ChangeLog): added line for colored team flags in hud |
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| 06:20.32 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/16/0119206 || v1.10.2 is out |
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| 06:51.04 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (HUDRenderer.cxx): clean up the messy code a lil bit -- just a lil refactorin' |
| 06:51.53 | learner | MrApathyCream: thoughts on jump, rico, and inertia flags reversing roles on maps with those characteristics set? |
| 06:55.10 | learner | i implemented the jump flag toggles jumpability easy enough - though details like making it a bad flag are problematic with the way it's layed out right now |
| 07:34.02 | MrApathyCream | tim said no |
| 07:34.08 | learner | oh really? |
| 07:34.19 | learner | shesh.. and i just got it working |
| 07:34.22 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:34.33 | learner | even puts the flag into the bad flags automatically |
| 07:34.46 | learner | he say why? |
| 07:34.51 | TimRiker | how do the clients handle that? |
| 07:34.52 | MrApathyCream | well |
| 07:35.03 | learner | speak of the man :) |
| 07:35.19 | MrApathyCream | wasn't exactly that, i had jump allow players to jump a second time while in air |
| 07:35.25 | MrApathyCream | so i guess it's not exactly the same |
| 07:35.59 | learner | if jumping is enabled, jump flag disables jumping and acts like a bad flag (so +f bad will get you a jump flag with -jp) |
| 07:36.29 | learner | otherwise, it's just the same as it is now |
| 07:37.16 | learner | before we just manually made the jump flag disappear if -jp was enabled and jump flags were specified -- this gives them toggling behavior |
| 07:38.09 | learner | disappear == removed from the good flag bucket |
| 07:38.25 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:38.38 | MrApathyCream | i did that as a compromise |
| 07:38.54 | MrApathyCream | there a bunch of flags like that PZ, J, R |
| 07:38.57 | MrApathyCream | et |
| 07:38.57 | MrApathyCream | c |
| 07:41.58 | learner | yep. |
| 07:43.31 | learner | basicallly one for all of the "game styles" -- jumping, ricochet, and inertia |
| 07:43.45 | purple_cow | this glasses thing is going to take some getting used to |
| 07:43.51 | learner | not clear what PZ would actually do since having teleporters isn't exactly a game style |
| 07:45.50 | learner | maybe automatically throw you into zombie-mode where you can't shoot or be shot until flag is dropped |
| 07:46.35 | learner | maybe not |
| 07:46.57 | learner | the other three are pretty clear and well behaved |
| 08:00.25 | MrApathyCream | anyone know how to 'view source' on post xsl transform document in ie? |
| 08:00.31 | MrApathyCream | all i'm getting is the source |
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| 08:15.14 | learner | i'm no help since my version of IE takes too long to process them |
| 08:15.21 | MrApathyCream | heh |
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| 08:19.05 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/doc (doc.xsl): |
| 08:19.05 | CIA-1 | Work in progress |
| 08:19.06 | CIA-1 | an XSL file to transform the docbook xml files into something more readable. See help in file |
| 08:19.46 | learner | oh nice ;) |
| 08:20.08 | learner | is that based off of the one in tldp ? |
| 08:20.19 | learner | or from scratch? |
| 08:23.26 | MrApathyCream | scratch |
| 08:23.43 | MrApathyCream | not workin' quite yet |
| 08:23.44 | MrApathyCream | well |
| 08:24.02 | MrApathyCream | the first chapter is shown, but can't switch to other chapters |
| 08:24.17 | MrApathyCream | and it's not the purdiest |
| 08:24.25 | MrApathyCream | but... :) |
| 08:24.27 | learner | hehe |
| 08:24.45 | learner | i see now in the e-mail.. |
| 08:25.16 | MrApathyCream | ah. the power of java xlst--> can see the resultant html file |
| 08:33.27 | learner | woo hoo.. IE completes transforming 1 xml file. total time elapsed: 28 minutes |
| 08:33.38 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 08:33.42 | MrApathyCream | thats bad |
| 08:35.45 | learner | i have no idea what it's doing all that time .. it's not eating up "a lot" of memory or cpu -- it just putters along slowly |
| 08:37.17 | learner | it does annoyingly re-download the entire docbook dtd fileset, which takes all of 1-2 minutes, every refresh, but still.. there's that other 95% of time |
| 08:37.32 | learner | perhaps it validates and builds up a tree for the entire dtd too.. hrm |
| 08:38.20 | learner | oh well, there are better tools here anyhow |
| 08:41.54 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/doc (doc.xsl): still not workin' |
| 08:46.22 | learner | not to stomp on your fun, but tldp has a set of transformers already set up on their site |
| 08:46.30 | learner | http://cvsview.tldp.org/index.cgi/LDP/builder/ |
| 08:47.02 | learner | their xsl->html processor uses walsh's standard example |
| 08:48.45 | learner | they also have a dsssl style sheet |
| 08:48.57 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/doc (doc.xsl): closer.... |
| 08:52.21 | MrApathyCream | :( |
| 08:52.22 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 08:55.39 | learner | heh |
| 08:55.44 | sussudio | =:-B |
| 08:57.16 | learner | it'll undoubtedly end up in the direction you are going anyways .. just need a couple more xsl transforms and we'll be all done! :) |
| 08:59.06 | MrApathyCream | me too |
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| 09:03.28 | learner | howdy dabomb! |
| 09:03.34 | learner | long time no see |
| 09:03.55 | learner | happy holidays! |
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| 10:45.43 | fontenot | spawning in solo games is really not nice |
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| 11:06.30 | Chestal | solo games? |
| 11:06.38 | Chestal | ah, -solo? |
| 11:07.04 | Chestal | worked fine for me when I tried last time with current code, random map, 2 shots and no -sb |
| 11:07.23 | Chestal | and I tried it with as much as 15 bots |
| 11:08.54 | fontenot | wow I must be doing something wrong (entirely possible) |
| 11:09.08 | fontenot | bots keep spawning really lcose to me |
| 11:09.35 | fontenot | twice I had BU and the only way I died (playing rabbit as the rabbit) was when a bot spawned practically on top of me |
| 11:10.09 | fontenot | what's "no -sb" ? |
| 11:31.19 | Chestal | spawn on buildings |
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| 11:35.03 | Chestal | font: you sure you're using the newest code? |
| 12:09.52 | fontenot | is it no longer possible to cheat by getting whatever flag you want? |
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| 12:20.44 | dabomb | hello |
| 12:20.54 | dabomb | anybody home? |
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| 12:26.10 | Sniper50 | Hi! |
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| 12:32.39 | dabomb | hey |
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| 13:06.47 | Chestal | hi |
| 13:07.15 | Chestal | david_v: mail Tim Riker for fortix.bzflag.org; usuallz he creates an alias name for an existing DNS entry, aka ducati.bzflag.org points to ducati.unix-ag.org |
| 13:12.04 | fontenot | this game is so much fun |
| 13:12.18 | fontenot | i just played for 2 hours when I meant to just play got 5 minutes |
| 13:14.43 | david_v | Chestal: hi. thanks, will do |
| 13:38.24 | Chestal | where's learner? :-) |
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| 13:42.35 | sussudio | ok... with the latest bzfs from cvs i don't get spawntrapped anymore but it says killed by (UNKNOWN) now instead of killled by World Weapon? |
| 13:43.46 | Chestal | did it say 'killed by world weapon' before? |
| 13:43.57 | sussudio | yeah and it spawntrapped me after that |
| 13:44.09 | sussudio | that was with the bzfs from unstable debian |
| 13:44.37 | sussudio | bzflag-server_1.10.2.20031223_i386.deb |
| 13:44.39 | Chestal | the current world weapon bug is known, should be fixed soon |
| 13:44.48 | sussudio | k |
| 13:51.39 | sussudio | hmm laser as a world weapon goes through boxes? |
| 13:51.46 | sussudio | ~bzflist |
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| 14:13.23 | sussudio | Warning: getSpawnLocation had to climb too many buildings |
| 14:13.29 | sussudio | it spawned me inside a box :-P |
| 14:15.57 | sussudio | dabomb: Wy be;dziecie udawac' sie; s'lepe wykonanie co |
| 14:22.28 | learner | g'morning chestal :) |
| 14:22.59 | Chestal | hi learner, your latest change doesn't seem to make sense to me |
| 14:23.18 | Chestal | Team::GetTeam expects a team description, but in HudRenderer, you feed it a flag description string? |
| 14:24.11 | learner | it expects a team string/description yes |
| 14:24.40 | Chestal | doing it via strings seems to be wrong to me anyway |
| 14:24.44 | learner | the flags are also named by team |
| 14:24.53 | Chestal | HuRenderer needs flag->color, yes? |
| 14:25.00 | Chestal | ehm |
| 14:25.08 | learner | yes |
| 14:25.13 | Chestal | there is an automaticteam flag? observer team flag? |
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| 14:25.39 | learner | not presently, but perhaps later |
| 14:26.15 | Chestal | still, I think this should be done via the flag, not the string |
| 14:26.21 | Chestal | it's slow and simply wrong :-) |
| 14:26.22 | learner | what are you thinking |
| 14:26.27 | michaelh | was isst das? |
| 14:26.57 | learner | it colors team flags as the color of the team they are |
| 14:27.20 | learner | Chestal: i don't disagree ;) |
| 14:27.54 | learner | adding a flag color to the flag desc would make all of this even more simple |
| 14:28.32 | learner | then it could just pull the color for superflags too |
| 14:30.51 | michaelh | So you didn't want a bunch of funky characters in the name of the flag? |
| 14:31.05 | learner | hmm? |
| 14:31.19 | Chestal | learner: might be the best solution, yes |
| 14:31.47 | michaelh | Is there a flag class? |
| 14:31.59 | learner | if you are on the blue team and pick up the red flag, it presently says michaelh/Red Team and colors it all blue |
| 14:32.00 | Chestal | yes, include/flag.h |
| 14:32.04 | Chestal | looks a bit strange to me, but it |
| 14:32.06 | Chestal | is there |
| 14:32.09 | learner | it's horrible |
| 14:32.22 | michaelh | I understand learner |
| 14:32.39 | learner | bastardized half-singleton with a couple static containers that misbehave |
| 14:33.06 | michaelh | We have an interesting idea about what header files are supposed to contain, don't we |
| 14:33.08 | learner | this makes it color the /Red Team part as red ;) |
| 14:33.08 | Chestal | pfupp, crash |
| 14:33.10 | Chestal | oops |
| 14:34.35 | learner | Chestal: something I didn't consider all-together, which may be wrong, is internationalization -- is the team flag name localized? |
| 14:34.59 | Chestal | learner: on the display, yes, but I do not think you have to think about it internally |
| 14:35.16 | Chestal | still, adding the colour to the flag might be a good idea |
| 14:35.25 | learner | er, then that's a problem -- since that's the string it passes to getTeam |
| 14:35.27 | Chestal | of course, the question is _what_ colour it is |
| 14:35.39 | Chestal | I mean in 3D the flag is either team coloured, white or yellow |
| 14:35.44 | Chestal | but HUD colours are different |
| 14:36.34 | learner | right, I'd expect there's a table elsewhere that says if greenteam then color green |
| 14:36.41 | learner | etc |
| 14:37.00 | learner | whereas I didn't want to shove in yet another table into the middle of drawing code |
| 14:38.02 | learner | but it's wrong for non-english localizations, so it "really is wrong", as opposed to just a bad/slow implementation that works :) |
| 14:38.23 | sussudio | my own firewall gets confused about my current IP :-| |
| 14:38.54 | Chestal | error reading syserr file |
| 14:38.55 | Chestal | oops |
| 14:39.33 | michaelh | isn't there like a Red Yellow Blue enum somewhere |
| 14:42.55 | michaelh | so why isn't FlagStatus worthy of being in the Flag namespace also? |
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| 14:43.53 | sussudio | what comes after the memory check in bios POST? |
| 14:44.21 | michaelh | A+ certification? |
| 14:44.26 | sussudio | no. |
| 14:44.55 | michaelh | boostrap loader? |
| 14:45.00 | michaelh | booooooooooooostrap |
| 14:45.15 | bryjen | probly varies by BIOS manufacturer. possibly by individual BIOS |
| 14:45.25 | michaelh | he just doesn't know |
| 14:45.33 | michaelh | :) |
| 14:45.53 | michaelh | Although it's probably true |
| 14:46.14 | sussudio | well i get a black screen without beeps. when i yank out the dimm, it does the single long beep thing, so it must get stuck after the memory test somewhere. |
| 14:47.24 | bryjen | tried a different video card? (black screen) or does it not even hit the disk drives and /sound/ like its trying to boot? |
| 14:47.50 | sussudio | yes, i tried an AGP, PCI and ISA card.... it doesn't access either the harddisk, floppy or cdrom |
| 14:48.47 | sussudio | i tested the cpu and memory in another pc and i swapped powersupplies too....... |
| 14:49.56 | bryjen | start unplugging unecessary stuff... cards, cdrom, hard disk (boot from floppy), floppy disk (no disks to boot from, but it should complain about that not just black screen) |
| 14:50.28 | sussudio | i unplugged everything |
| 14:51.10 | bryjen | maybe a bad motherboard then. or maybe the DIMM, it could be stuck /during/ the memory test |
| 14:51.14 | sussudio | just the powerconnector, memory, soft switch and videocard on there |
| 14:51.56 | sussudio | i tried 5 different dimms. the board worked before, it just stopped booting up for no reason |
| 14:52.17 | michaelh | Sounds like it is toast |
| 14:52.36 | michaelh | Grounding, shorting out with the case and mb ? |
| 14:53.07 | sussudio | i put it outside the case on a piece of wood, didn't make a difference. |
| 14:53.33 | michaelh | I know getting the floppy and disk connectors backwards can do stuff like that... but you covered that already |
| 14:53.43 | michaelh | How old is it? |
| 14:53.56 | sussudio | i got it 3 days ago, second hand |
| 14:54.02 | michaelh | doh |
| 14:54.06 | michaelh | has it ever worked? |
| 14:54.15 | sussudio | yes it just stopped working for no reason |
| 14:54.28 | michaelh | shareware motherboard? |
| 14:54.30 | sussudio | i already ripped out the battery, maybe the cmos is fuxored or something |
| 14:54.32 | michaelh | :0 |
| 14:56.19 | bryjen | bah, sf is down. again. at least this time the status page acknowledges it. "Offline - Unplanned Downtime In-Progress" |
| 15:09.37 | david_v | sf is back online now |
| 15:11.24 | Nidhoggr | I'd suggest replacing the dimm first. |
| 15:11.43 | Nidhoggr | memory goes bad far more often than motherboards |
| 15:11.58 | sussudio | i tried 5 different dimms. |
| 15:12.06 | Nidhoggr | eeek |
| 15:12.20 | sussudio | i tested the dimms in another system with memtest86 |
| 15:12.27 | Nidhoggr | what kind of motherboard is it? and are you using right type of dimm? |
| 15:12.48 | sussudio | it came with a 32mb dimm |
| 15:13.40 | sussudio | i think it's on crack or something. |
| 15:13.49 | Nidhoggr | what type of processor/mb? |
| 15:14.06 | sussudio | slot1 p2 |
| 15:14.17 | Nidhoggr | ah. then it's not an ecc issue |
| 15:14.23 | sussudio | no |
| 15:14.38 | Nidhoggr | have you tried a different processor? |
| 15:14.42 | sussudio | yep |
| 15:15.27 | sussudio | well why does it bloody beep when i pull out the dimm then if it's dead...... |
| 15:15.41 | michaelh | it's mearly brain dead |
| 15:15.45 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 15:15.49 | michaelh | vegatative state |
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| 15:29.41 | michaelh | sounds like it is toast |
| 15:30.03 | michaelh | I had one that randomly reboot the machine every so many hours .. that was fun |
| 15:30.52 | bryjen | reboot roulette! |
| 15:30.58 | bryjen | !roulette |
| 15:30.59 | guu | bryjen: *click* |
| 15:32.46 | Nidhoggr | ~seen larsl_56k |
| 15:32.47 | | larsl_56k <~ll@md4690b0e.utfors.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3d 20h 5m 46s ago, saying: 'What bugs?'. |
| 15:33.00 | Nidhoggr | ~seen larsl |
| 15:33.01 | | larsl <~larsl@c213-100-62-55.swipnet.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 11d 15h 14m 56s ago, saying: 'Eek, that thief sound is loud.'. |
| 15:34.03 | michaelh | ~seen ibot |
| 15:34.04 | | ibot is currently on #picogui (9h 8m 37s) #zaurus (9h 8m 37s) #teleconf (9h 8m 37s) #opie (9h 8m 37s) #tomcat (9h 8m 37s) #familiar (9h 8m 37s) #uclibc (9h 8m 37s) #intimate (9h 8m 37s) #gllug (9h 8m 37s) #gpe (9h 8m 37s) #elinux (9h 8m 37s) #openembedded (9h 8m 37s) #handhelds.org (9h 8m 37s) #utah (9h 8m 37s) #project24 (9h 8m 37s) #bzflag (9h 8m 37s) #openzaurus (9h 8m 37s) |
| 15:34.39 | bryjen | grr @ sourceforge |
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| 15:35.06 | learner | hello tupone |
| 15:35.10 | Tupone | hi |
| 15:35.12 | michaelh | plus it can never update a file and a comment at the same time |
| 15:37.51 | Tupone | learner: did you see the Rabbit score function? Seems ok? |
| 15:38.01 | learner | haven't tested it |
| 15:38.15 | Tupone | but looked at? |
| 15:38.19 | learner | nope :/ |
| 15:38.59 | Tupone | to see if work I think we should add the RabbitRank on the Player Status display |
| 15:40.36 | Nidhoggr | at night, the rabbit game on dragon.org has become more popular than secretplace. |
| 15:40.42 | Nidhoggr | it's a lot of fun. |
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| 15:54.02 | Tupone | MrApathyCream: hi |
| 15:54.38 | MrApathyCream | howdy |
| 15:54.48 | bryjen | wow. MrAC in the daylight. :) |
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| 15:55.28 | Grumbler | dang, hate it when there is a channel, but no one is on...... |
| 15:55.35 | Nidhoggr | hiya M_A_C! |
| 15:55.37 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:55.51 | Nidhoggr | po po mister grumbler. |
| 15:55.57 | MrApathyCream | howdy all |
| 15:55.59 | MrApathyCream | sick day |
| 15:56.05 | Nidhoggr | got the flu? |
| 15:56.10 | MrApathyCream | somethin |
| 15:56.14 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 15:56.15 | MrApathyCream | *shrug* |
| 15:56.21 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: yep, how am I suppose to figure out what things to look out for on my mini |
| 15:56.36 | Grumbler | been there mac.......5 days worth |
| 15:56.38 | Nidhoggr | you got a mini cooper? |
| 15:56.49 | MrApathyCream | lovely |
| 15:57.01 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: its being built.../just ordered.... |
| 15:57.01 | MrApathyCream | tomorrow i plan on 'sharing' it with my office-mates |
| 15:57.06 | Nidhoggr | oooh. nice. |
| 15:57.18 | Nidhoggr | I remember when I got my car. i was so excited. |
| 15:57.25 | Nidhoggr | that was in 99, though. :) |
| 15:57.36 | MrApathyCream | how much did the mini run you, if you don't mind me asking |
| 15:57.44 | Grumbler | ~20k |
| 15:57.50 | MrApathyCream | oofa |
| 15:57.54 | Nidhoggr | but it's still my dream car.. which I bought with cash from .com stock at the time. (global crossing stock) |
| 15:57.57 | Grumbler | i didnt get the supercharged |
| 15:58.08 | Nidhoggr | my beetle was more expensive. |
| 15:58.19 | Nidhoggr | I added a lot though. |
| 15:58.22 | Nidhoggr | about 10K worth. |
| 15:58.28 | Grumbler | ooof |
| 15:58.30 | Nidhoggr | you got a good deal grumbler. |
| 15:58.52 | Grumbler | we'll see, it has a lot to go through before it gets here |
| 15:58.57 | Nidhoggr | I added sunroof, cruise, spoiler, pinstriping, momo wheels, nice tires. |
| 15:59.05 | Nidhoggr | and yellow carbon fiber interior. |
| 15:59.21 | Grumbler | yellow carbon fiber...........sounds like a bee hive |
| 15:59.23 | MrApathyCream | must be nice |
| 15:59.25 | Nidhoggr | it's purdy |
| 15:59.38 | Nidhoggr | at least I'm not making payments on it. *whew* |
| 15:59.49 | Nidhoggr | I'da lost it when I got layed off if I was. |
| 16:00.02 | Grumbler | i have a new car about ever two years......i have just gotten used to the payment |
| 16:00.20 | Nidhoggr | was unemployed for about a year. |
| 16:00.29 | Nidhoggr | it was enough to pay my HUGE rent. |
| 16:00.40 | Nidhoggr | all my savings was sapped. |
| 16:00.41 | MrApathyCream | you have one now? w00t! |
| 16:01.21 | MrApathyCream | welp gotta run |
| 16:01.22 | Grumbler | lets see........79 mercury zephr, saturn sl1, honda civic coupe(red)(the only car i regret getting rid off), acrua rl, ford f150, honda crv se........and now a mini |
| 16:01.25 | MrApathyCream | --wifee-- |
| 16:01.26 | Nidhoggr | see ya mac |
| 16:01.40 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:01.56 | Nidhoggr | I wanted a yellow vw beetle since I was 12. |
| 16:02.01 | Nidhoggr | then they stopped making them. |
| 16:02.05 | Nidhoggr | I was heartbroken. |
| 16:02.07 | Grumbler | i had the coupe the longest...........120k miles.........it was a great car |
| 16:02.22 | Nidhoggr | then in 95, they announced the newbeetle... and all the prototypes were yellow. |
| 16:02.39 | Grumbler | i liked the new beetles, but i had a 73 rabbit that forced me to never by VW again..... |
| 16:02.41 | Nidhoggr | I got a few models of them and swore I'd have one by y2k |
| 16:02.58 | Nidhoggr | and I got it in 99... paid cash. :) |
| 16:03.07 | Grumbler | how is the mpg |
| 16:03.11 | Nidhoggr | about 33 |
| 16:03.21 | Grumbler | regular or premium |
| 16:03.26 | Nidhoggr | regular. |
| 16:03.31 | Grumbler | bonus |
| 16:03.33 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:03.44 | Grumbler | the mini is premium, with similar mpg |
| 16:03.46 | Nidhoggr | it's a fun car to drive. |
| 16:03.48 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
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| 16:04.08 | Grumbler | you havent driven a mini yet :) |
| 16:04.26 | Nidhoggr | the wide tires (235/45r17) make it really fun in the mountains to and from flagstaff. |
| 16:04.33 | Grumbler | now that is fun........a little scary with 18 wheelers, but fun |
| 16:04.49 | Nidhoggr | I paste the cruise on 85 and go like a madman. |
| 16:05.24 | Grumbler | i was considering going back to the vw dealer..........do you have to get the flowers... hahaha |
| 16:05.43 | Grumbler | i assume with yellow, it came with sunflowers :) |
| 16:07.06 | Nidhoggr | I got my flowers myself |
| 16:07.09 | Nidhoggr | it didn't come with. |
| 16:07.20 | Nidhoggr | I got big black-eyed susans |
| 16:07.24 | Nidhoggr | :) |
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| 16:09.13 | Grumbler | how well.......i have to wait 2-3 months before mine will make it over to this coast..........have to clean out the garage |
| 16:10.56 | bryjen | Torture, apparently |
| 16:11.26 | bryjen | sourceforge, really |
| 16:12.02 | Grumbler | ............installing those new bryjen mods, eh |
| 16:12.04 | fontenot | i call is sourcescourge |
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| 16:25.54 | learner | Mmmm.. BZFlag is still 3rd on sf activity stats :) |
| 16:27.35 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 16:27.41 | Noodleman | coolage |
| 16:31.15 | bryjen | learner: might i paste you a short patch, since i cant get sf to work? |
| 16:31.25 | learner | Tux racer and Doom are the only games that have more downloads, though rival tux has more than doulbe our download count :/ |
| 16:31.42 | learner | e-mail it to me |
| 16:32.09 | Grumbler | its hard to beat a sliding penguin |
| 16:32.30 | learner | i can see the wider appeal, and he does have better graphics |
| 16:32.36 | Grumbler | maybe a sliding penguin that can fire lasers :) |
| 16:33.00 | Noodleman | even though is only has 3 levels :-) |
| 16:33.14 | michaelh | tux is some sort of game |
| 16:33.15 | michaelh | ? |
| 16:33.29 | Grumbler | penguin skiing/luge |
| 16:33.40 | michaelh | ah so |
| 16:34.14 | Grumbler | maybe if we added some of the intro music like in BF 1942........... |
| 16:34.32 | learner | pretty simple, but it has good graphics, works on a lot of systems, is incredibly simple (did I mention that), and decent music |
| 16:35.22 | learner | BZ is magnitudes more complex/mature/old but more fun too, imo |
| 16:36.07 | fontenot | easy to learn, nearly impossible to master |
| 16:36.29 | Noodleman | that's the kinda game i like :-) |
| 16:36.33 | fontenot | (referring to bzflag) |
| 16:36.36 | MasterGrumbler | :) |
| 16:36.49 | fontenot | :-D |
| 16:37.37 | learner | interesting how we can maintain such a high sf activity rating, especially compared to the other, more general public, apps |
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| 16:40.40 | Chestal | I have my doubts about making sw,g, l, and gm white in HUD |
| 16:40.52 | Chestal | strange selection, are these supposed to be extra dangerous? |
| 16:41.43 | bryjen | that seems to be the pattern |
| 16:41.56 | bryjen | highly offensive weapons ;) |
| 16:41.56 | learner | that was the original idea, iirc |
| 16:42.19 | Chestal | learner: I'm rewriting the team color flag thing |
| 16:42.29 | learner | i figured you'd beat me to it :) |
| 16:42.30 | Chestal | learner: there is FlagInfo::flagTeam after all |
| 16:42.37 | learner | Team.cxx |
| 16:42.46 | learner | oh, there not where |
| 16:43.09 | learner | yes, but I didn't have the team -- just the name |
| 16:43.21 | learner | or did i and I just couldn't find it? |
| 16:43.35 | learner | s/find/realize/ |
| 16:44.41 | Chestal | learner: all flags except the teamflags have set this to NoTeam |
| 16:44.51 | Chestal | I"m compiling right now, a lot of files seem to depend on flag.h | |
| 16:45.08 | learner | ah, so i did miss that :| |
| 16:47.19 | Chestal | I guess it works |
| 16:47.31 | Chestal | are you keen on keeping the function you added? |
| 16:48.12 | Chestal | it's unused now |
| 16:48.20 | learner | it's potentially useful, I'd say keep it just because it's the reverse of the other routine |
| 16:48.54 | learner | but I'm not that strongly attached so whatever |
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| 16:49.33 | CIA-1 | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (HUDRenderer.cxx): use FlagInfo::flagTeam for HUD flag coloring |
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| 16:50.43 | CIA-1 | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): const on return value is useless; and ws, too |
| 16:54.35 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): bryjen points out some dead code related to the variable formerly known as firstplayer |
| 16:58.06 | learner | on second thought -- just remove it if you haven't already |
| 16:59.38 | Chestal | I haven't |
| 17:00.05 | Chestal | it seems we still have a couple gl bugs |
| 17:00.17 | Chestal | I think I can reproduce one of themmyself on my home computer |
| 17:00.28 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): better to avoid encouraging managing flags as strings. besides it doesn't work for localizations anyways. |
| 17:00.31 | Chestal | and one other on this computer |
| 17:00.52 | learner | i can bring my system down to it's knees rather easily with lighting enabled |
| 17:01.06 | Chestal | the first is the white ground syndrome |
| 17:01.12 | Nidhoggr | Warning: getSpawnLocation had to climb too many buildings <-what's taht mean? |
| 17:01.14 | Chestal | the other is the messed up ground syndrome |
| 17:01.37 | learner | Nidhoggr: it means the world is too complex for the random spawn guessing |
| 17:01.45 | Nidhoggr | hrm |
| 17:01.46 | Chestal | Nidhoggr: with -sb enabled, it tried to get on top of a flat building several times and gave up |
| 17:01.52 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 17:02.20 | Chestal | not sure when exactly this happens, though |
| 17:02.38 | learner | it had to climb 50 buildings for that to happen, though |
| 17:02.50 | learner | i told mac that the limit was too low |
| 17:03.10 | Chestal | much more than 50 tries might take too long, though |
| 17:03.15 | Chestal | depends on the machine of course |
| 17:03.47 | learner | right, but the alternative leaves players spawned into buildings -- which is worse than a hiccup on the server |
| 17:03.56 | Chestal | maybe the only way to get quick and good spawning is to really precalculate lots of spawn candidates |
| 17:04.24 | learner | hmm.. someone changed the failsafes too |
| 17:04.57 | Chestal | failsafe is 100, yes? |
| 17:05.04 | learner | yes |
| 17:05.05 | Chestal | I don't think I can tolerate more than 100 on ducati |
| 17:05.30 | learner | it shouldn't get anywhere near 100 on ducati.. |
| 17:05.31 | Chestal | maybe 200 |
| 17:05.46 | Chestal | depends |
| 17:05.56 | Chestal | I tried with more players |
| 17:06.05 | Chestal | and different settings for minimum distance |
| 17:06.16 | Chestal | I think with the current settings it would take up to 50 tries |
| 17:07.47 | Chestal | if the number of tries is too low for more complex settings, we need to speed it up |
| 17:08.18 | Nidhoggr | I don't have 50 buildings to climb.. but it might be trying to spawn at the teleport all the way over the map? |
| 17:08.22 | Chestal | another approah would be to look every 50 tries or so how much time we spent, and stop as sonn as the time limit has exceeded |
| 17:08.28 | Chestal | so you coudl get more tries onfaster machines |
| 17:08.57 | learner | i like a timelimit based limit much more -- for this coin flip decision |
| 17:09.18 | learner | though a different algo all together is clearly needed |
| 17:09.34 | Chestal | the algo is not that bad |
| 17:09.37 | Chestal | or what do you mean? |
| 17:09.38 | learner | the failsafe was only supposed to prevent looping to infinity |
| 17:10.09 | learner | i mean randomly guessing positions and seeing how they are on the fly is "less than optimal" |
| 17:10.27 | learner | we try many many possibilities that will never be acceptible |
| 17:10.29 | Chestal | well, the client did the same |
| 17:10.36 | Chestal | which does not mean it's perfect of course |
| 17:10.45 | Chestal | we could precompute |
| 17:10.59 | Chestal | then we would just have to check for tanks, not for buildings |
| 17:11.33 | Chestal | hmm, the fabs(z1-z1)<1 in proximitycheck could be a problem, too |
| 17:11.41 | learner | i'd think precomputing spawn zones would be the most flexible, and then use the time limiter still |
| 17:11.42 | Chestal | coul dplace you close to a jumping tank |
| 17:12.05 | Chestal | how to do zones? spots would be easy, of course we'd need lots of them |
| 17:12.49 | learner | we'd need too many, I think - to avoid predictability, but perhaps for slower servers it would help |
| 17:13.08 | Chestal | I thought of about 1000 or maybe 5000 |
| 17:13.18 | learner | spawn zones would basically be a set of 2d rects that you could spawn onto |
| 17:13.36 | Chestal | yes, but how to calc these spawn zones? seems similar to the robots' region |
| 17:13.38 | learner | some simple boolean preprocessing when the geometry is loaded |
| 17:13.50 | Chestal | that turned out not to be so simple ;-) |
| 17:13.51 | learner | probably very similar to the robots indeed |
| 17:14.14 | Chestal | zones would have to be weighted by their area |
| 17:14.22 | Chestal | and we would want to spawn on buildings, too |
| 17:14.30 | learner | right all flat surfaces |
| 17:14.53 | Chestal | spawn spots would be trivial to implement |
| 17:15.14 | Chestal | of course calculatign the spots should not take over half a second or so |
| 17:15.36 | Chestal | we coudl even add more in the background whiel the server is waiting |
| 17:16.13 | Chestal | I am not sure whether the building or tank check takes more time on a typical setup |
| 17:16.17 | Chestal | I'd guess buildings? |
| 17:16.37 | learner | once there is a real game state, spawn zones could be automatically updated on the fly so that selecting a location takes o(1) no time |
| 17:17.17 | Chestal | hmm, I doubt however, that the updating will take less time |
| 17:17.43 | learner | the gamestate itself will already have to do everything you need to know |
| 17:17.48 | Chestal | shall I chaneg failsafe so it will try for at most 10ms? |
| 17:17.58 | learner | we'll need the locality tracking for packet culling anyways |
| 17:18.12 | Chestal | those are nice plans |
| 17:18.23 | Chestal | I am not so sure if it will work out |
| 17:18.25 | Chestal | it isn't easy |
| 17:19.39 | learner | indeed it is not, but it's coming along nicely so far -- lots and lots of refactoring and movement must happen before than can |
| 17:19.43 | Nidhoggr | I think precomputing might actually help with some of the lag people are complaining about. |
| 17:20.09 | learner | an async server should help some of the lag too |
| 17:20.39 | Nidhoggr | what would the async server do differently? |
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| 17:21.08 | learner | not stall the server while computing some values or handling some request |
| 17:21.17 | Nidhoggr | so it'd be multi-threaded? |
| 17:21.50 | Chestal | can someone look at the logic of building climbing, especially when the tries run out? |
| 17:22.02 | learner | if you have a long chat input string and feed the word filter a dictionary of about 10000 words, you'll send all the players NR until the processing is completed |
| 17:22.06 | Chestal | it would need 50 buildings stacked on each other to happen? |
| 17:23.06 | learner | 50 that have less than two tank height distances separating them |
| 17:23.47 | Nidhoggr | how long before we see async server code? |
| 17:24.06 | Chestal | an dif it gives up, will it try to use that spot? I am not quite sure |
| 17:25.53 | Nidhoggr | where is this task manager? :) |
| 17:26.03 | Chestal | does 10ms sound liek a good upper limit? checked every 50 tries? |
| 17:26.08 | Patlabor221 | SF |
| 17:26.13 | learner | http://sourceforge.net/pm/?group_id=3248 |
| 17:26.26 | Chestal | those are tries in the outer loops, btw., so in case the climbing itself takes forever, it will not catch it |
| 17:27.00 | learner | but probably the first time it has to climb that much, it'll eject via time limit |
| 17:27.35 | Chestal | but I only check it every 50 tries |
| 17:27.46 | Chestal | maybe tries should be increased int he inner loop, too, then? |
| 17:27.58 | Chestal | otherwise it could do 50*50 climb tries before it checks the tim |
| 17:28.46 | learner | yea, i'd increase the inner |
| 17:29.16 | bryjen | why count tries? why not just check the elapsed time? |
| 17:29.45 | Chestal | measuring time takes too long to do it on every iteration |
| 17:29.52 | bryjen | Ah. I see. |
| 17:30.52 | learner | hurry up :) |
| 17:31.40 | Chestal | is 10ms ok? |
| 17:32.19 | learner | dunno.. you have the slowest box, so I'd say print out how much time it usually takes you |
| 17:32.30 | learner | and use something just under that |
| 17:32.37 | Chestal | well, the question rather it how much delay we are willing to accept |
| 17:32.57 | Chestal | it will add random noise to lag |
| 17:32.58 | learner | right, but 10ms might not be enough for you |
| 17:33.13 | Chestal | it will do at least 50 tries |
| 17:33.32 | learner | on building'd maps |
| 17:33.54 | Chestal | on all maps |
| 17:33.55 | learner | i'm saying/hoping that 10ms is enough time on ducati-style |
| 17:35.56 | Chestal | come and test on ducati 59155 please in 10s |
| 17:36.28 | Chestal | I'll bring my friends along :-) |
| 17:38.37 | Chestal | the algorithm coudkl be changed, too |
| 17:39.21 | Chestal | instead of enforcing a minimum safeness on each iteration (and relaxing that when it failed), it could memorize thebest effort to date and when it gives up on finding a safe spot pick the safest so far |
| 17:45.11 | Chestal | learner: I am not even on the server, who are you talking to? :-) |
| 17:45.18 | learner | hehe |
| 17:45.23 | learner | you all went nr to me :) |
| 17:45.34 | learner | half the clients didn't disconnect properly |
| 17:45.51 | Chestal | you mean that strange CTF map? |
| 17:45.55 | Chestal | oh |
| 17:45.57 | learner | yea |
| 17:46.02 | Chestal | Player Chestal05 [6] on 11 removed: ECONNRESET/EPIPE |
| 17:46.04 | Chestal | evil bots |
| 17:46.22 | learner | tsk tsk |
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| 17:47.09 | Chestal | I think it's running now |
| 17:47.15 | learner | same port? |
| 17:47.50 | tapo | need a 3D card in my work place computer ... :) |
| 17:48.26 | Chestal | try again |
| 17:48.28 | learner | odd.. world size is set in the real bzw -- bug |
| 17:48.34 | learner | it's 104, but 100 will do |
| 17:48.35 | Patlabor221 | GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 256meg |
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| 17:53.01 | bryjen | wheee, robots spawning in-air and raining from the sky! |
| 17:55.22 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 17:57.26 | learner | lots of bugs shown there |
| 17:57.27 | Chestal | learner: as I said, min distance is relative toworld size |
| 17:57.43 | Chestal | bots cannot really live with jumping |
| 17:57.50 | Chestal | they only work on ground |
| 17:58.12 | Chestal | guess I'll have to steal another map |
| 17:58.14 | learner | but they were spawning on the roof and sliding through _sometimes_ |
| 17:58.33 | learner | you didn't get the world size from the saveworld |
| 17:58.45 | learner | then didn't spawn on bases |
| 17:58.55 | bryjen | http://bryjen.bzflag.org:8008/~bzserve/randcubes.bzw |
| 17:58.57 | bryjen | i think |
| 18:06.32 | CommanderGrumble | I second the 5950 Ultra |
| 18:10.04 | Patlabor221 | I should be geting my 5700 ultra 256er today |
| 18:12.28 | LtCmdrGrumbler | enjoy, i know my difficulties with Tanner Tools have disappeared since my migration to the 5950......but it also helps to have a few extra GHz |
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| 18:30.11 | Chestal | maybe we should add an epsilon when climbing? |
| 18:30.31 | learner | Thread 0 Crashed: |
| 18:30.31 | Chestal | I wonder what happens when building height is 0? |
| 18:30.31 | learner | 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90009260 strncmp + 0xe0 |
| 18:30.31 | learner | 1 BZFlag 0x00043d30 addPlayer(unsigned char, void*, int) + 0x1f8 |
| 18:30.31 | learner | 2 BZFlag 0x00045854 enterServer(ServerLink*, World*, LocalPlayer*) + 0x5c0 |
| 18:30.31 | learner | 3 BZFlag 0x00043754 joinGame(StartupInfo const*, ServerLink*) + 0x838 |
| 18:30.39 | Chestal | the bot problem? |
| 18:30.44 | Chestal | want to test again without my bots? |
| 18:30.51 | learner | sure |
| 18:31.06 | Chestal | ok, server up |
| 18:33.20 | bryjen | many bots signoff, a few others just go NR |
| 18:33.57 | bryjen | not that the 10 zillion bot case needs to be worried about.... :) |
| 18:36.38 | Chestal | what doyou think about the epsilon? |
| 18:36.53 | Chestal | I still don't see how peopel can get more than 50 climb attempts |
| 18:36.56 | learner | dunno.. 30 bots doesn't seem crazy to me |
| 18:37.29 | Chestal | bot bugs are loooow priority for me |
| 18:37.43 | bryjen | that map didn't have many stacks of boxes, mosty floating ones |
| 18:37.46 | learner | the NR'ing was probably just because everyone was fighting for the network pipe |
| 18:38.19 | learner | i did spawn in the air more than once |
| 18:38.43 | bryjen | perhaps a map mostly covered by a stepped-pyramid of boxes? |
| 18:39.05 | Chestal | but it must be 50 climb attempts in a row |
| 18:39.14 | Chestal | for same x/y pos |
| 18:39.32 | Chestal | epsilon? :-) |
| 18:41.38 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): muchos bichos -- lots of bot and spawn bugs from testing |
| 18:42.48 | Chestal | would be nice to be able to reproduce this climbing bug myself |
| 18:44.06 | Chestal | bryjen: your world only has integer coords+dimensions, yes? |
| 18:44.32 | bryjen | probly. lots of x.0 y.0 x.0 |
| 18:44.55 | Chestal | pos[2] = building->pos[2] + building->size[2]; |
| 18:45.24 | Chestal | if I understand that corectly, then tanks pos (= bottom) is exactly the same as upper edge of obstacle after that? |
| 18:45.43 | Chestal | I think adding 1mm or so would be a good idea |
| 18:45.51 | Chestal | so we get a tiny fall |
| 18:46.17 | Chestal | otherwise we might get rounding errors and be inside the same building over and over again I guess |
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| 18:47.43 | michaelh | did that get through? |
| 18:47.52 | Chestal | what? |
| 18:47.55 | michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.55 | michaelh | <michaelh> There's nothing in the system logs either |
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| 18:48.30 | michaelh | it's some sort of fatal exception, right? |
| 18:48.51 | Tupone | learner: bot does not have collision check! Thats why they go on the basement |
| 18:49.08 | Patlabor221 | you can hit the "show me the techincal info" link |
| 18:49.15 | Patlabor221 | and it will show you what puked |
| 18:49.19 | michaelh | doh |
| 18:49.24 | Patlabor221 | it's there just on another dialog |
| 18:49.29 | michaelh | even when it's just text? |
| 18:49.44 | michaelh | iirc |
| 18:49.48 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:50.07 | Patlabor221 | the text from 2k is just put in the "techinal" section |
| 18:50.15 | Patlabor221 | tell you the error and the module |
| 18:50.15 | michaelh | I think the memory is kind of poopy on that system |
| 18:50.28 | michaelh | Good thing I tested it with bzflag |
| 18:50.34 | michaelh | :) |
| 18:50.44 | michaelh | Maybe I need to do some more testing |
| 18:52.03 | CIA-1 | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): try to find good spawn spot for no longer than 10ms; but try 50 times at least (that should be <10ms anyway) |
| 18:53.16 | CIA-1 | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): climb up one more 1/10th of a mm to counter rounding errors |
| 18:59.03 | david_v | ahh |
| 19:12.34 | michaelh | is there anything I can accomplish with a complete memory dump in xp? |
| 19:12.50 | michaelh | can I look at it somehow or is just for microsquash's benefit |
| 19:13.09 | Patlabor221 | if you don't like windows, why use it? |
| 19:13.21 | michaelh | wasn't that a simple question? |
| 19:13.23 | Patlabor221 | if you have the debuger installed you can break in it |
| 19:13.34 | Patlabor221 | and you can see the module |
| 19:13.37 | Patlabor221 | that's about it |
| 19:14.01 | Patlabor221 | if you had debug symbols for your libs you could see what function it barfed in |
| 19:14.02 | michaelh | so I can see where in the code it was? |
| 19:14.20 | Patlabor221 | in VC6 you can see it in asembly |
| 19:14.33 | Patlabor221 | in VC7+ you can see it in the code if you have the soruce for that module |
| 19:14.49 | Patlabor221 | VC6 will not atach a debuger to a process that is allready running |
| 19:15.02 | Patlabor221 | well it can try ,but it has issues |
| 19:15.15 | learner | Tupone: that would explain the bug then :) |
| 19:15.40 | michaelh | so youre saying debug the process after it crashes, but the dump isn't really usefull? |
| 19:16.11 | Patlabor221 | well if you wanted you could use the mem dump to check the offsets and recreate the state in that DLL |
| 19:16.16 | Patlabor221 | but it's a lot of work by hand |
| 19:16.21 | michaelh | doh |
| 19:16.22 | Patlabor221 | much better to use the debuger |
| 19:17.21 | Patlabor221 | so it is not useless, just not very usefull to you. |
| 19:17.22 | michaelh | cool so I don't have to write a gig everytime it crashes I suppose |
| 19:17.42 | michaelh | kind of time consuming |
| 19:17.52 | Patlabor221 | this is why we have debugers |
| 19:21.12 | michaelh | ah so |
| 19:21.28 | michaelh | New to xp, never have seen the writing of the memory to disk thing before |
| 19:21.45 | michaelh | bewsides of course in unix the core dump things |
| 19:22.23 | Nidhoggr | hrm. bzadmin has slow/wierd response in screen. |
| 19:23.01 | michaelh | something stupid, but I've noticed that with textures off, if detail is in high or medium, the screen gets fubarred |
| 19:23.32 | michaelh | perhaps it's just my gdi generic thingee that isn't doing something right :) |
| 19:25.01 | michaelh | Is it sensible, logical to be in high detail with no textures? |
| 19:25.06 | michaelh | I'm curious |
| 19:26.32 | michaelh | curious minds want to know |
| 19:26.45 | Chestal | it shouldn't mess up things |
| 19:27.32 | michaelh | GDI Generic means it's running in software opengl mode, right? |
| 19:27.58 | michaelh | Runs pretty well well on a P4 2.4 with everything turned off |
| 19:28.34 | michaelh | It's a voodoo3, I guess that doesn't count for anything hardware wise :) perhaps the drivers are not installed or something |
| 19:28.46 | Patlabor221 | yes usualy that is what it means |
| 19:28.55 | Patlabor221 | means it's running the openGL32.dll that ships with windows |
| 19:29.06 | Patlabor221 | not the one provided by your ICD |
| 19:29.17 | michaelh | I've seen nightmere stories about voodoo3's though |
| 19:29.21 | bryjen | you should be able to squeeze something out of that card |
| 19:29.41 | Patlabor221 | the voodo up to the voodoo3 didn't have an ICD |
| 19:29.42 | michaelh | doesn't bzflag have issues with voodoo stuff? |
| 19:29.47 | Patlabor221 | they only had a parcial |
| 19:29.51 | Patlabor221 | many apps do |
| 19:29.57 | Patlabor221 | they didn't implement all the API |
| 19:30.06 | Patlabor221 | so BZ has to not call some stuff |
| 19:30.07 | michaelh | doh |
| 19:30.11 | Patlabor221 | there are #defs all over |
| 19:30.19 | Patlabor221 | the cards are dead we could remove those |
| 19:30.39 | Patlabor221 | the last set of voodoo3 drivers had at least all the API implemented IIRC |
| 19:31.21 | Patlabor221 | or break rendering into it's own lib so that some poor sap can maintain a "voodoo comptable" rendere |
| 19:31.53 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): with a timer we can try in air a little harder and allow for more twisted worlds |
| 19:32.01 | Nidhoggr | I have a voodoo3 in my new server. |
| 19:32.03 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:32.11 | michaelh | Does it run bz at all? |
| 19:32.14 | Nidhoggr | I was thinking about hooking it up for bzflag on leenooks |
| 19:32.18 | Nidhoggr | haven't tried |
| 19:32.22 | Nidhoggr | but I want to. |
| 19:32.33 | Nidhoggr | hrm. I wonder if I have another video card I can use in it... |
| 19:32.33 | Patlabor221 | it should |
| 19:33.04 | Patlabor221 | the big problem was with the voodo 1 and 2 |
| 19:33.08 | michaelh | Well it's cool for the gigahertz crowd that they run the software mode |
| 19:33.11 | Patlabor221 | as they were 3d only cards |
| 19:33.15 | Patlabor221 | no 2d |
| 19:33.31 | michaelh | for all those gigahertz plus people out there without real video cards.... |
| 19:34.32 | Patlabor221 | well yes those cards are slower then most modern machien's software OG |
| 19:34.33 | Patlabor221 | GL |
| 19:34.47 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah the i80's were horible |
| 19:34.50 | Patlabor221 | and the verge |
| 19:34.55 | Patlabor221 | the first 3d Decellerator |
| 19:35.39 | Patlabor221 | I remember when I was soo happy to get a 3d labs permedia 2 |
| 19:36.50 | Nidhoggr | I should see how my intel built in graphics do with my 2.4 ghz machine, then I can use the nice ATI in the fileserver. |
| 19:37.00 | Nidhoggr | then i could do good graphics for bz on linux. |
| 19:37.19 | Patlabor221 | what mobo chipset is it |
| 19:37.26 | Nidhoggr | it's some athlon |
| 19:37.30 | Patlabor221 | the put video right into a numbeer of them |
| 19:37.32 | Nidhoggr | 700ish mhz |
| 19:37.49 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 19:37.50 | Nidhoggr | oh, the 2.4, not the fileserver... |
| 19:37.51 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 19:37.55 | Nidhoggr | I don't remember. |
| 19:37.58 | Nidhoggr | I can find out. |
| 19:38.11 | Patlabor221 | probably an 845 or something |
| 19:39.53 | learner | what does everyone else think about automatic creating two-player teams first, and then assigning to the least filled? |
| 19:41.51 | Chestal | it depends :-) |
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| 19:42.29 | Chestal | it desn't apply to my servers |
| 19:42.30 | Nidhoggr | intel 845GE |
| 19:42.41 | Chestal | for a 4 team CTF server, it might be a good thing |
| 19:43.24 | Patlabor221 | Nidhoggr, it should run BZ, there is some 3d accell in that |
| 19:43.30 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 19:43.38 | Patlabor221 | just get good drivers |
| 19:44.17 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:45.27 | learner | anyone know the flag code well enough to answer a question? |
| 19:45.40 | Chestal | not without my lawyer |
| 19:45.46 | learner | *snort* |
| 19:45.53 | learner | :) |
| 19:46.52 | Chestal | waah - /dev/hdb6 37G 37G 72M 100% /home |
| 19:47.14 | orchid | :) |
| 19:47.25 | orchid | too many movies |
| 19:47.39 | michaelh | I think whoever did prefers to remain anonymous |
| 19:47.49 | CIA-1 | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): if I cannot find a safe spot for spawning, use the safest I found |
| 19:48.06 | michaelh | they're in teh witness protection program now |
| 19:49.26 | learner | Flags::Jumping is a pointer to a FlagDesc, which appears to get stashed into a static map and a static set inside of the FlagDesc class -- if I change one of the values of the flag (or any flag) they don't affect the one used once the game is running -- if I erase and re-insert i also see the same effect |
| 19:50.12 | learner | my example is if I set a flag parameter manually in CmdLineOptions in bzfs, when a certain option is encountered |
| 19:50.51 | michaelh | so if I have STOP 0x000000c5 0x0000000000 0x00000002 0x00000001 0x80536BA0) what is that talking about? |
| 19:51.26 | Patlabor221 | that is the offset into the module that died |
| 19:52.04 | michaelh | seems to be the bsod xp style .. no text info, just freezes the system |
| 19:54.05 | Patlabor221 | could be in a driver |
| 19:55.08 | Patlabor221 | your best bet is to check the system and appication logs, and go from there |
| 19:55.22 | Patlabor221 | or check the MS tech knowlege base |
| 19:55.48 | learner | can't you step with the debugger and set breakpoints? |
| 19:56.19 | Patlabor221 | only if he has code for it with VC6 |
| 19:56.31 | Patlabor221 | if he had VC7 he could break at the exception |
| 19:56.47 | Patlabor221 | with VC6 you have to start the process from the debuger |
| 19:56.55 | Patlabor221 | VC7 added the "atach to running" feature |
| 19:57.07 | Chestal | learner: cannot really help you with that, woul have to look at the code myself |
| 19:57.20 | learner | k, thanks ches |
| 19:58.52 | learner | woo woo woo! 10 three stooges movies on new years! |
| 19:59.03 | Chestal | that's 30 stooges! |
| 20:01.27 | TimRiker | ~10 * three |
| 20:01.29 | | 30 |
| 20:01.52 | Chestal | see? :-) |
| 20:01.59 | TimRiker | ~convert 30 stooges to learners |
| 20:02.05 | TimRiker | ~+convert 30 stooges to learners |
| 20:02.15 | TimRiker | aw. |
| 20:02.17 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 20:02.28 | Nidhoggr | what is +convert? |
| 20:02.38 | TimRiker | the + forces reply to the channel. |
| 20:02.41 | bryjen | ten three, 10 3, 103 ? |
| 20:02.42 | TimRiker | ~+help |
| 20:03.07 | learner | learner is a stooge |
| 20:03.17 | TimRiker | ~learner |
| 20:03.18 | | rumour has it, learner is your friend |
| 20:03.30 | TimRiker | ~learner is also a stooge |
| 20:03.32 | | TimRiker: okay |
| 20:03.49 | learner | :) |
| 20:03.54 | tapo | me is me |
| 20:03.59 | tapo | ~me |
| 20:04.01 | | well, me is the most important person in the whole world!! |
| 20:04.07 | tapo | :) |
| 20:06.15 | bryjen | ~convert 103 decimal to hexadecimal |
| 20:06.48 | bryjen | hehe "Unknown unit `mal'" |
| 20:11.18 | TimRiker | ~+help hex |
| 20:11.26 | TimRiker | hmm. |
| 20:11.50 | TimRiker | ~+help ord |
| 20:12.18 | TimRiker | ~0x234 |
| 20:12.42 | TimRiker | ~hex I know there is a way, I just forgot the syntax. |
| 20:12.42 | | I know there is a way, I just forgot the syntax. is 49 20 6B 6E 6F 77 20 74 68 65 72 65 20 69 73 20 61 20 77 61 79 2C 20 49 20 6A 75 73 74 20 66 6F 72 67 6F 74 20 74 68 65 20 73 79 6E 74 61 78 2E |
| 20:13.37 | dheckaman_ | kewl |
| 20:15.31 | TimRiker | ~dec2hex 103 |
| 20:15.32 | | 67 |
| 20:15.47 | dheckaman_ | TimRiker: ok, #asterisk is angry... they cant do hex to ascii :P |
| 20:17.14 | bryjen | ~hex2dec 103 |
| 20:17.16 | | 259 |
| 20:17.34 | bryjen | ~oct2dec 103 |
| 20:25.00 | bryjen | hmm |
| 20:25.05 | bryjen | ~ord A |
| 20:25.05 | | 'A' is ascii 32, bryjen |
| 20:25.07 | bryjen | ~ord B |
| 20:25.07 | | bryjen: 'B' is ascii 32 |
| 20:25.11 | bryjen | ~ord C |
| 20:25.11 | | bryjen: 'C' is ascii 32 |
| 20:25.55 | bryjen | isnt 32 (decimal) ascii the space char? |
| 20:26.19 | david_v | yep |
| 20:26.25 | Patlabor221 | isn't A 40 somemething? |
| 20:26.29 | david_v | 65 |
| 20:26.51 | bryjen | ~hex A |
| 20:26.51 | | A is 41 |
| 20:26.55 | david_v | eh |
| 20:27.00 | david_v | well yes, in hex |
| 20:27.13 | david_v | i meant 65 decimal |
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| 20:27.55 | Oman | Anybody here up for a match |
| 20:28.01 | TimRiker | ~ascii 32 |
| 20:28.01 | | TimRiker: ascii 32 is ' ' |
| 20:28.15 | Oman | Noodleman get a teammate I want a match |
| 20:28.21 | TimRiker | ~hex2dec 32 |
| 20:28.22 | | 50 |
| 20:28.25 | TimRiker | ~ascii 50 |
| 20:28.25 | | ascii 50 is '2', TimRiker |
| 20:28.44 | TimRiker | ord is busted... |
| 20:28.52 | Oman | Noodleman Are you on tex |
| 20:29.21 | Oman | Match Noodleman?? |
| 20:29.34 | *** part/#bzflag Oman (~18f78b5b@server24.greatnet.de) |
| 20:30.47 | TimRiker | ~reload |
| 20:30.47 | | reloading... |
| 20:30.48 | | reloaded: UserExtra.pl |
| 20:30.52 | TimRiker | ~ord A |
| 20:30.52 | | 'A' is ascii 65, TimRiker |
| 20:30.55 | TimRiker | ~ord B |
| 20:30.55 | | 'B' is ascii 66, TimRiker |
| 20:31.33 | michaelh | if I crash ntdll.dll is that not a good thing? |
| 20:32.02 | TimRiker | it's fine if your not running windows. ;-) |
| 20:32.36 | Patlabor221 | it means you probably blew out some memory |
| 20:32.39 | Patlabor221 | get to debugin |
| 20:37.19 | michaelh | I think this puter is fubarred |
| 20:37.32 | michaelh | crashed when I ran windows player |
| 20:37.57 | Patlabor221 | probably |
| 20:37.58 | michaelh | DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL |
| 20:38.01 | michaelh | ?? |
| 20:38.25 | Patlabor221 | probably a bad driver or bad ram |
| 20:38.34 | Patlabor221 | get a new one |
| 20:38.41 | *** part/#bzflag tapo (~hannes@p50928ECA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:39.02 | michaelh | Just a bunch of freeware drivers that don't quite install right |
| 20:39.07 | michaelh | for the voodoo3 |
| 20:39.22 | Patlabor221 | then get a new card |
| 20:39.26 | Patlabor221 | those drivers suck |
| 20:39.29 | michaelh | Heh |
| 20:39.32 | Patlabor221 | doubt they are XP certified |
| 20:39.39 | michaelh | it's not even my machine of course |
| 20:39.42 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 20:39.44 | Patlabor221 | then give it back |
| 20:39.55 | michaelh | It's the offical wyde server |
| 20:40.01 | michaelh | at least for the US office |
| 20:40.25 | Patlabor221 | still don't mean it can't suck |
| 20:40.42 | michaelh | I just don't think I should waste my money on it |
| 20:40.48 | Patlabor221 | or install an OS that still has active development for anchent hardware drivers |
| 20:41.06 | michaelh | Although I suppose if the thing crashes it isn't good for business either |
| 20:42.00 | michaelh | If I do revert driver, does it actually revert all the files? |
| 20:42.13 | michaelh | Curious minds want to know |
| 20:42.29 | Patlabor221 | it would do everying that is in the script |
| 20:42.51 | michaelh | So it just follows the drivers uninstall ? Or it does follows the old install |
| 20:42.52 | Patlabor221 | that wasn't bound to anything else |
| 20:43.00 | Patlabor221 | it does both |
| 20:43.06 | michaelh | Narly |
| 20:43.06 | Patlabor221 | uninstall this one, install last one |
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| 20:44.54 | TheDarkSamurai | ok hi all |
| 20:45.04 | Oman | Hi |
| 20:45.22 | Oman | Me and DarkSamurai here want a match |
| 20:46.07 | TheDarkSamurai | that is against TeX |
| 20:46.17 | Oman | Yuppers |
| 20:47.27 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-133-8.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 20:47.44 | Oman | TEX want a match |
| 20:47.48 | TheDarkSamurai | hi carnage |
| 20:47.49 | Oman | or anybody |
| 20:47.58 | Carnage | hi |
| 20:48.01 | TheDarkSamurai | :-) |
| 20:48.18 | david_v | Carnage: er are you really stressed heh... i dunno where he is, but i think he's not available right now |
| 20:48.35 | Carnage | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.38 | david_v | why? |
| 20:48.48 | Carnage | Canada vs poland :( |
| 20:48.53 | david_v | oh |
| 20:48.56 | TheDarkSamurai | hehehe] |
| 20:49.03 | david_v | i think he won't be able to match today or tomorrow, unfortunately |
| 20:49.34 | Carnage | ahh! |
| 20:49.42 | Carnage | quols is finally on now |
| 20:49.47 | Oman | anybody want to MATCH DT |
| 20:49.53 | TheDarkSamurai | anyone know where noodleman is? |
| 20:50.17 | TheDarkSamurai | i want to kick him S**tless |
| 20:50.40 | Oman | me too! |
| 20:51.10 | Carnage | ure oman |
| 20:51.11 | TheDarkSamurai | urm you don't have "beef" with him (apparently) |
| 20:51.33 | Oman | I am Oman |
| 20:51.36 | Oman | Yup |
| 20:51.41 | TheDarkSamurai | no your not |
| 20:51.44 | Patlabor221 | he's probably busy |
| 20:51.44 | Patlabor221 | ~seen noodleman |
| 20:51.51 | | noodleman is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 4h 15m 22s |
| 20:51.51 | TheDarkSamurai | not lie |
| 20:51.51 | Oman | Yees i am |
| 20:51.54 | Oman | I am Oman |
| 20:52.05 | Oman | lol |
| 20:52.08 | Patlabor221 | well whatever he's been idle for 4 hours he's nto here, send him a mail or something |
| 20:52.12 | TheDarkSamurai | yep lol |
| 20:52.29 | Oman | Go PAT |
| 20:52.44 | TheDarkSamurai | so no one knows which servers hes on then |
| 20:52.55 | TheDarkSamurai | they messed up teh stats page |
| 20:52.56 | Patlabor221 | he may not even be playing |
| 20:53.06 | bryjen | wow. hashmark's player counts and team scores are foobar |
| 20:53.08 | TheDarkSamurai | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.13 | TheDarkSamurai | i quote |
| 20:53.23 | michaelh | I quote also |
| 20:53.31 | michaelh | How often do you quote |
| 20:53.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah he's loged into the channel but he is not active |
| 20:53.32 | Oman | I QUOTE TOO |
| 20:53.38 | Patlabor221 | many people leave it running |
| 20:53.47 | TheDarkSamurai | lol |
| 20:53.48 | Oman | YUPPERS |
| 20:54.03 | *** join/#bzflag dabomb (~dabomb@215-bem-10.acn.waw.pl) |
| 20:54.11 | TheDarkSamurai | oh i am yhinking of starting a CTF tournament |
| 20:54.22 | TheDarkSamurai | for teh begining of the new year |
| 20:54.34 | Oman | cool |
| 20:54.40 | TheDarkSamurai | good idea or not people |
| 20:54.41 | TheDarkSamurai | ? |
| 20:54.44 | Oman | DB and Carnage would like that |
| 20:54.50 | TheDarkSamurai | lol |
| 20:54.58 | Oman | I vote Good idea |
| 20:54.59 | Carnage | anyone seen Db lately? |
| 20:55.10 | Carnage | dabby |
| 20:55.11 | Patlabor221 | he was here yesterday IIRC |
| 20:55.12 | TheDarkSamurai | saw him on friday |
| 20:55.19 | dabomb | hello |
| 20:55.36 | TheDarkSamurai | so whats tyhe verdict carn, Dabby? |
| 20:55.37 | Oman | No Carnage have you seen him latly though thats the qustion |
| 20:55.39 | dabomb | i havent seen him lately |
| 20:56.17 | Carnage | darn |
| 20:56.38 | TheDarkSamurai | acually now having second thoughts Sod the CTF tournament |
| 20:58.00 | dabomb | BaDin has opened one recently |
| 20:58.06 | dabomb | and there is a IST as well |
| 20:59.28 | dabomb | i have ambivalent thoughts about that |
| 20:59.56 | TheDarkSamurai | ambivalent means? |
| 20:59.57 | Patlabor221 | hmm looks like somone was playing with mass amounts of bots earlyer today |
| 21:00.19 | dabomb | hehe, that wasnt me |
| 21:00.27 | Oman | lol |
| 21:01.04 | dabomb | TDS: opposite feelings. dunno how to say it other way. check www.dictionary.com |
| 21:01.12 | bryjen | Ches & learner were testing the spawn location code with lots'o'bots |
| 21:02.03 | TheDarkSamurai | k thnx dabby |
| 21:02.08 | Oman | I have seen you bryjen before |
| 21:02.21 | Tupone | bryjen: where |
| 21:02.54 | Tupone | IC |
| 21:03.12 | bryjen | They were on ducati:59xxx |
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| 21:06.18 | Carnage | BBL |
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| 22:03.15 | bryjen | ~bzflist17 |
| 22:03.23 | bryjen | ~bzflist |
| 22:03.58 | Chestal | 125? is that a real number? or partly due to wrong player count bug? |
| 22:04.09 | Chestal | 36 player on hashmark, uhm |
| 22:04.10 | bryjen | inflated a bit |
| 22:04.27 | Chestal | ~bzfquery bzflag.hashmark.net |
| 22:04.35 | bryjen | yeah, hashmark's counts arent right |
| 22:04.47 | Chestal | old server version I guess? |
| 22:04.54 | bryjen | 1.10.0 i think |
| 22:05.12 | Chestal | although I am not sure that that bug has been fixed |
| 22:05.18 | Chestal | I only know about wrong counts on rabbit servers |
| 22:05.55 | bryjen | 1.10.0.20031212-RELEASE-linux-gnu |
| 22:05.57 | Nidhoggr | dragon.org has 7, is reporting 5. |
| 22:06.40 | bryjen | ~bzflist |
| 22:06.59 | bryjen | ~bzfquery dragon.org:5255 |
| 22:07.04 | Nidhoggr | looks okay now. |
| 22:07.45 | Nidhoggr | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 22:08.16 | bryjen | hashmark has about a dozen. colors and rogues, FFA |
| 22:08.32 | Nidhoggr | not sure if I understand "Traffic Sign Cream" as a callsign in any language. |
| 22:08.36 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:18.26 | bryjen | there's a server in the list 0.0.0.0:80 ?!? |
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| 22:28.52 | Nidhoggr | one thing I really like about rabbit is that you have time to hunt for good flags. |
| 22:29.35 | Nidhoggr | bunny hunt has evil algo for choosing bunny. |
| 22:29.38 | Nidhoggr | it is broked |
| 22:30.46 | orchid | new players still shoot teamates, theyre confused by the rogue color |
| 22:30.54 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 22:31.07 | Nidhoggr | that happens a lot on dragon.org.. but we edumacate them fast. |
| 22:34.16 | Nidhoggr | has someone fixed bug where ' wacks out bad word filter? |
| 22:34.40 | Patlabor221 | they just change the name of the thing to "get whitie" and it'll be fine |
| 22:34.51 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 22:34.54 | Nidhoggr | you are so bad. |
| 22:35.06 | Patlabor221 | or "stick it to da' man" |
| 22:46.05 | bryjen | we went thru this afore, and you realized YOU were the man, and quickly changed your tune. ;) |
| 22:47.08 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:03.49 | david_v | Chestal: Fortix-TLZ 4-3 :) |
| 23:04.11 | orchid | david_v: who played? |
| 23:04.20 | orchid | and 1.7? |
| 23:04.28 | david_v | me and Bomb vs Fanta and BeZee in 1.7 |
| 23:04.36 | orchid | nice |
| 23:04.41 | orchid | i will enter it |
| 23:04.54 | david_v | thanks. Bomb scares me... :) |
| 23:06.13 | orchid | you went from 1327 to 1361 |
| 23:06.25 | orchid | 1317* |
| 23:06.42 | david_v | :) |
| 23:07.28 | orchid | heh, did you see oman's team logo? |
| 23:08.09 | david_v | yeah :) |
| 23:33.34 | david_v | good night folks |
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