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| 00:17.54 | |tim| | Team killer on q2 |
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| 00:39.49 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: tortoise works! |
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| 00:42.10 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 00:42.12 | Patlabor221 | congrats |
| 00:42.23 | Patlabor221 | its' nice isn't it? |
| 00:42.39 | MrApathyCream | yes, altho i don't think a full cvs up is nearly as fast as cmd line |
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| 00:43.25 | Patlabor221 | probably not |
| 00:43.36 | MrApathyCream | but yes tis nice |
| 00:43.44 | Patlabor221 | I just prefer the simplicty of it |
| 00:43.45 | MrApathyCream | does it handle line ending changing? |
| 00:43.52 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:43.58 | MrApathyCream | that alone is worth it |
| 00:44.10 | scanline | dont |
| 00:44.11 | Patlabor221 | I never have to use a convert util on anything |
| 00:44.12 | scanline | er |
| 00:44.22 | scanline | don't all windows cvs clients change the line endings for text files? |
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| 00:44.32 | MrApathyCream | yes i always used editpadpro before checkin, pain in the neck |
| 00:44.32 | Patlabor221 | the should, but not all of them do |
| 00:44.45 | MrApathyCream | scanline: no, the cvshome.org one doesn't |
| 00:44.46 | Patlabor221 | the icons on the things are really what does it for me |
| 00:44.51 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 00:44.53 | scanline | hmm |
| 00:44.54 | Patlabor221 | lets me know what is clean and dirty |
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| 00:45.00 | Patlabor221 | at a glance |
| 00:45.08 | MrApathyCream | hadn't noticed |
| 00:45.13 | MrApathyCream | have to look |
| 00:45.20 | MrApathyCream | :0 |
| 00:45.34 | MrApathyCream | scanline, uussusussusuddd wwwiwwiwiwwindows? |
| 00:45.49 | scanline | yes MAC, i've used windows |
| 00:45.51 | scanline | I just don't like it |
| 00:45.53 | MrApathyCream | :0 |
| 00:45.54 | Patlabor221 | I have it puting ! for changed files, ? for unknows, and a check for clean files in the lower left of each icon |
| 00:46.06 | scanline | I even installed XP on my desktop a couple days ago |
| 00:46.18 | MrApathyCream | got sars? |
| 00:46.37 | scanline | heh |
| 00:48.35 | Tupone | most are bots! (forget those) |
| 00:49.43 | MrApathyCream | sf is down |
| 00:49.57 | MrApathyCream | hmmm scheduled |
| 01:02.19 | MrApathyCream | learner u here? |
| 01:04.33 | Tupone | is away (shopping) |
| 01:07.47 | Scipio | wheee |
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| 01:08.01 | Scipio | hello all |
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| 01:12.39 | MrApathyCream | mm |
| 01:12.55 | Tupone | whats up? |
| 01:13.05 | MrApathyCream | figured it out |
| 01:13.09 | MrApathyCream | bot entry crash fixed |
| 01:13.12 | bryjen | could packet lossage cause the UDP link to fail to establish and the server then kick the player "for no UDP" ? |
| 01:13.23 | MrApathyCream | bryjen: yes |
| 01:13.29 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Robots haven't been allocated when addPlayer is called, so don't set the team until the robot has been added. |
| 01:13.31 | MrApathyCream | i would think |
| 01:14.04 | bryjen | my ISPs having fits |
| 01:14.18 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): Robots haven't been allocated when addPlayer is called, so don't set the team until the robot has been added. |
| 01:14.37 | bryjen | there's a comms closet somewheres with lots of my packets littering the floor :( |
| 01:15.40 | MrApathyCream | gotta broom? |
| 01:18.33 | bryjen | ~mop bryjen's packets |
| 01:18.36 | | ACTION get's a mop and cleans up after bryjen's packets |
| 01:21.45 | CIA-1 | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Unused timeout var removed |
| 01:22.30 | CIA-1 | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): bot does not register as Observer anymore |
| 01:28.23 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 01:28.34 | MrApathyCream | tupone, you removed a line that i accidentally commented out for testing :) |
| 01:28.46 | Tupone | lol |
| 01:29.05 | Patlabor221 | ahhh a 5700 ultra and an XP 2800+ |
| 01:29.29 | Scipio | ah |
| 01:29.32 | Tupone | I should ask! next time, I'll do. I was getting error by the compiler |
| 01:29.41 | Tupone | for unused var |
| 01:29.54 | Patlabor221 | then you should use them :) |
| 01:30.42 | Scipio | mac, did you see my reply to your patch? |
| 01:30.52 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (World.cxx): Write the world object out if world size or flag height are different from default. |
| 01:31.27 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): Write the world object out (for save world) if world size or flag height are different from default. |
| 01:31.50 | MrApathyCream | Scipio: ummm what patch? |
| 01:33.20 | Scipio | mac: the spawning stuff |
| 01:33.53 | Scipio | snort...that was eloquent =/ |
| 01:34.05 | MrApathyCream | on sf? |
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| 01:34.43 | MrApathyCream | ack sf is down, still |
| 01:35.04 | bryjen | 2-3 from 3PM in what TZ ? |
| 01:35.20 | bryjen | projected for 2-3 hours that is |
| 01:35.31 | MrApathyCream | ca i suppose |
| 01:35.53 | Scipio | pacific |
| 01:35.57 | MrApathyCream | ya |
| 01:36.03 | bryjen | .ca |
| 01:36.03 | Scipio | GMT-8 |
| 01:36.09 | Scipio | .ca is canada =) |
| 01:36.20 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 01:36.34 | MrApathyCream | hmm new .name tld |
| 01:36.36 | bryjen | yes, and its winter, so its darrrrrk up 'dere |
| 01:36.42 | Scipio | hahaha |
| 01:37.08 | Scipio | and dem pyooters iz soler pah'r'd |
| 01:37.33 | bryjen | er dey can't find da power switches in da dhark |
| 01:38.09 | Scipio | mac: still have issues with spawning 'near' other tanks |
| 01:38.23 | Scipio | esp directly in front of or behind |
| 01:38.40 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): tupone fixes a'nutter |
| 01:38.53 | Scipio | oooh colors |
| 01:38.59 | bryjen | it doesnt know anything about which way anyone is facing |
| 01:39.07 | Scipio | that looks ever so pretty on my display |
| 01:39.11 | MrApathyCream | Scipio: was this in rabbit? |
| 01:39.26 | Scipio | bryjen: it needs to |
| 01:39.28 | MrApathyCream | cause that was fixed later |
| 01:39.29 | Scipio | mac: no, ffa |
| 01:39.41 | MrApathyCream | scipio are u sure the server was upgraded? |
| 01:39.46 | Scipio | yes |
| 01:39.51 | Scipio | Nidhoggr updates the cvs |
| 01:39.54 | MrApathyCream | Scipio: was the server full of tanks |
| 01:39.57 | Scipio | we are running 20031228 |
| 01:39.57 | CIA-1 | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): oOp |
| 01:40.16 | Scipio | it can have as few as 10 tanks and it's an issue |
| 01:40.19 | bryjen | hehe, ever one (but one) is on one team in rabbit, so they're all friendly and therefor "safe" |
| 01:40.43 | Scipio | the most noticable is when you spawn right next to the tank that just shot you |
| 01:41.15 | MrApathyCream | Scipio: well, i think it now tries for 10ms? and then gives up and uses the best found. |
| 01:41.35 | MrApathyCream | was -sb used? |
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| 01:41.41 | bryjen | spawning too close to /anyone/ is unsafe. teammates included :) |
| 01:41.54 | bryjen | or right in front of 'em |
| 01:41.54 | MrApathyCream | bryjen: yup |
| 01:42.22 | Scipio | we keep sb on because it seems to lower the chance |
| 01:42.28 | Scipio | since it gives more places to spawn |
| 01:42.35 | MrApathyCream | good yes it should |
| 01:42.36 | Scipio | although i don't have anything to back up that idea |
| 01:42.41 | Scipio | oh okay |
| 01:43.03 | Scipio | bry: that is the problem |
| 01:43.17 | Scipio | if you wanna check it out, play on Nidhoggr's server, bzflag.secretplace.us |
| 01:43.24 | Scipio | that's where we notice it alot |
| 01:43.27 | MrApathyCream | grr tortoius update takes forever |
| 01:43.33 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 01:43.47 | MrApathyCream | does he have a constant world or does he rotate? |
| 01:44.02 | Scipio | we had to change add -tk so that you'd stop dying when you spawn in front of teammates and they shoot you |
| 01:44.07 | Scipio | contstant |
| 01:44.15 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 01:44.16 | Scipio | we are running doug's spirals map |
| 01:44.29 | bryjen | eh. the wide-open hose-fest ;) |
| 01:44.32 | Scipio | so there's lots of open ground |
| 01:44.34 | Scipio | yup |
| 01:44.53 | Scipio | don't particularly like having to -sb because it hoses people camping |
| 01:45.33 | MrApathyCream | some would say that was good :) |
| 01:45.36 | Scipio | bryjen: people seem to like the spray-and-pray. |
| 01:45.44 | Scipio | mac: not when you actually have the GM flag ;) |
| 01:45.49 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 01:45.51 | Scipio | it's great when someone else does |
| 01:45.55 | Scipio | but when it's your turn... |
| 01:46.59 | Scipio | i hope i don't piss off the coders with my ideas |
| 01:47.05 | Scipio | i dunno |
| 01:47.06 | MrApathyCream | no probls |
| 01:47.34 | Scipio | cause on secretplace it's so busy we tend to notices problems and come up with ideas that would help us out |
| 01:47.54 | bryjen | ~bzflist17 |
| 01:48.08 | bryjen | ~bzflist |
| 01:48.17 | MrApathyCream | w00t! |
| 01:48.20 | Scipio | what are s and p in those lists? |
| 01:48.26 | bryjen | hashmark is inflated |
| 01:48.27 | MrApathyCream | server people ? |
| 01:48.33 | Scipio | wow secretplace and dragon are in the top 3 |
| 01:48.42 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bzflag.hashmark.net |
| 01:48.55 | MrApathyCream | nids is secretplace? |
| 01:49.02 | Scipio | and dragon |
| 01:49.04 | Scipio | both |
| 01:49.15 | Scipio | dragon is currently rabbit chase on the basement map |
| 01:49.34 | bryjen | note the team totals |
| 01:50.07 | bryjen | and there's only ~ a dozen real players. Its still running 1.10.0 |
| 01:50.31 | bryjen | so there's more like 60 players on 1.10 |
| 01:50.37 | Patlabor221 | any video card that requires you to trim a ram clip would be considerd masive I would think |
| 01:51.05 | bryjen | heh. full-size PCI ? |
| 01:51.12 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 01:51.13 | Scipio | agp 8x |
| 01:51.16 | Patlabor221 | AGP |
| 01:51.17 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:51.23 | Patlabor221 | the 5700 ultra is huge |
| 01:51.24 | Scipio | the new geforce? |
| 01:51.31 | Scipio | or is that ati? |
| 01:51.37 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:51.39 | Patlabor221 | ati |
| 01:51.41 | bryjen | beh. AGPCI whateva |
| 01:51.42 | Patlabor221 | soryr geforce |
| 01:51.45 | Patlabor221 | ATI is crap |
| 01:51.48 | Patlabor221 | total crap |
| 01:51.52 | Scipio | i'm still on the first radion |
| 01:51.59 | Patlabor221 | that is what I yanked out |
| 01:52.02 | Patlabor221 | a VIVO |
| 01:52.03 | Scipio | yes but they're cheaper than geforce |
| 01:52.15 | Patlabor221 | the 5700 was only about 180 |
| 01:52.23 | Patlabor221 | and it's about as fast as a 9700 |
| 01:52.28 | Patlabor221 | they compare about the same |
| 01:52.30 | Scipio | pat: oh i mean the first radeon...before tey had numbers |
| 01:52.41 | Patlabor221 | yeah thats what I have a radeon VIVO no numbers |
| 01:52.47 | Scipio | vivo? |
| 01:52.48 | Patlabor221 | and no shaders |
| 01:52.55 | Patlabor221 | Video In Video Out |
| 01:52.56 | bryjen | still, full-size anythings rare. I only one I've seen was a PCI RAID controller |
| 01:53.10 | Patlabor221 | it's not really "full" size, just very very wide |
| 01:53.18 | bryjen | phat |
| 01:53.20 | Scipio | oh hmmm. drivers for mine says "radeon 7200 series" |
| 01:53.23 | Patlabor221 | had to cut the handle off a dimm clip |
| 01:53.31 | Patlabor221 | yes it's based on the 7000 core |
| 01:53.36 | Scipio | oh i'm not nifty enough for one of those |
| 01:53.52 | Scipio | i've only got the 32mb onboard video ram one |
| 01:54.18 | Patlabor221 | the one I had was only a holdover cus I had to put the GF 4 ti 4200 in the bossmans machine |
| 01:54.19 | Scipio | but then i'm on a soyo dragon mb with an athlon 1.1 ghz |
| 01:54.25 | Patlabor221 | bit old |
| 01:54.33 | Patlabor221 | this is in a P4 2.53 |
| 01:54.38 | Scipio | ah |
| 01:54.46 | Scipio | i have a hard time paying $$ for intel |
| 01:54.50 | Patlabor221 | when I get home I have to put in my new XP 2800 |
| 01:54.56 | Patlabor221 | I didn't pay for the P4 so I can't complain |
| 01:54.57 | Scipio | nice |
| 01:55.01 | Scipio | hahahha |
| 01:55.10 | Scipio | hmmm |
| 01:55.30 | Scipio | i need to start a list for the features/bugs to put on source forge when it comes back up |
| 01:55.34 | Scipio | *grin* |
| 01:56.07 | shkoo | me too. |
| 01:56.09 | Scipio | lesse, dear santa. this year i would like priv msgs with . to not go everyone when the person i am trying to signs off |
| 01:56.17 | Scipio | heya o |
| 01:56.19 | shkoo | hi |
| 01:56.26 | shkoo | so is anyone working on the other rabbit selection systems? |
| 01:56.37 | Scipio | -s ? |
| 01:56.43 | Scipio | more than one has been suggested? |
| 01:57.12 | shkoo | well, there's the current score-based one, there's the person-who-killed-the-rabbit one, and there's straight random. |
| 01:57.18 | Scipio | ah |
| 01:57.36 | shkoo | i don't know if straight random is desirable, though. |
| 01:57.45 | Scipio | oh, other one, f6 and f7 in observer mode should follow slot numbers in /playerlist and not whatever method it's using now |
| 01:57.50 | Patlabor221 | peron who killed makes it tag |
| 01:57.52 | bryjen | i think Tupone was working on the score-based formula |
| 01:58.00 | Patlabor221 | then you shoudl score based on how long they are the rabit |
| 01:58.13 | Tupone | I put that one in |
| 01:58.26 | Scipio | pat: score based makes it rich richer/poor poorer |
| 01:58.36 | bryjen | that's tag backwards, I tag "it" and then I become "it" |
| 01:58.55 | Scipio | as opposed to being tagged by it and then becoming it |
| 01:59.14 | bryjen | normal tag, you're trying to get rid of being "it" by passing it on to someone else |
| 01:59.30 | Patlabor221 | I know, thats why I say make the score not based on kills, but based on time |
| 01:59.34 | Patlabor221 | so call it reverse tag |
| 01:59.40 | bryjen | gat ? |
| 01:59.45 | bryjen | :) |
| 02:00.02 | Patlabor221 | if you make it so the rabit can't shoot, and the hunters are invulerable you have CTC |
| 02:00.44 | bryjen | capture-the-?? |
| 02:00.55 | Patlabor221 | CHICKEN!!!! |
| 02:00.57 | Tupone | in the formula in CVS, RabbitRank is computed by win/(win+losses) corrected by a penalty for the new-comers |
| 02:01.09 | Scipio | fps? |
| 02:01.12 | Patlabor221 | sounds overly complex |
| 02:01.22 | Patlabor221 | have you even looked at other games that do this? |
| 02:01.25 | bryjen | cheee-kin! |
| 02:01.37 | Scipio | we've noticed that if you have a neg score, you are rabbit far less often |
| 02:01.38 | Patlabor221 | cheee-kin gooood |
| 02:01.50 | Tupone | no! I think we should display that score |
| 02:02.12 | Scipio | also, hunters should not be rogues |
| 02:02.43 | Scipio | and who made rogues a team so that 'm' send to all rogues? |
| 02:02.49 | Scipio | that's just wrong |
| 02:03.38 | Scipio | too many newbies join Rabbit and shoot other rogues and complain when they blow up |
| 02:04.18 | Scipio | i agree |
| 02:04.20 | bryjen | big vests |
| 02:04.21 | Patlabor221 | thats why you make them invulnerable and give the white guy a chicken! |
| 02:04.28 | Scipio | oh white |
| 02:04.32 | Scipio | that reminds me |
| 02:04.45 | Scipio | black observers in score are hard to see at night |
| 02:05.00 | Scipio | they are black in score but white in console |
| 02:05.06 | Scipio | i don't get that =) |
| 02:05.19 | bryjen | and light colored team are hard to see in the blue daytime sky. there's no winning. |
| 02:05.25 | Scipio | hahahaha |
| 02:05.43 | Scipio | actually i have no problems seeing the light tanks...it's always blue |
| 02:05.48 | bryjen | same reason rogues are yellow on radar - black-on-black doesnt work |
| 02:05.56 | Patlabor221 | yes there is, you put a transperant background behind the text |
| 02:05.58 | Patlabor221 | and make it light |
| 02:06.04 | Patlabor221 | all games ahve had to deal with this |
| 02:06.18 | Patlabor221 | we had the same problem in treadmarks |
| 02:06.24 | Scipio | since observers have no tanks, it shouldn't be an issue |
| 02:06.28 | bryjen | i was talking about reading the scoreboard that floats in the sky |
| 02:06.45 | Scipio | oh....i haven't had issues with that. |
| 02:06.52 | Patlabor221 | yeah you can't just slap text on the world, you never know it's color |
| 02:06.54 | Scipio | only issues with black observers at night |
| 02:07.05 | Patlabor221 | no one color will ever work |
| 02:07.22 | Patlabor221 | or light blue observers in the day |
| 02:07.28 | Patlabor221 | it's part of a larger problem |
| 02:07.37 | Patlabor221 | could white outline all the fonts |
| 02:07.51 | Scipio | heh. how about orange or pink or brown |
| 02:08.33 | Patlabor221 | the goal is to make the world be more customsiable, when that happens you will not be able to know what color will be behind it, so it needs to be solved now |
| 02:09.10 | Scipio | what...customizable colors? |
| 02:09.16 | Scipio | so we can pick what color tanks are? |
| 02:09.16 | Patlabor221 | user textures |
| 02:09.21 | Scipio | hmmmm |
| 02:09.32 | Scipio | user defined or server defined? |
| 02:09.37 | Patlabor221 | so you can put more then briks on a wall or that bland blue sky and mounans |
| 02:09.42 | Patlabor221 | map defined is the plan |
| 02:09.47 | Scipio | ah |
| 02:09.48 | Patlabor221 | pulled from the server if needed |
| 02:09.52 | bryjen | purple-and-pink-poka-dotted-pyarmids ;) |
| 02:09.53 | Patlabor221 | you know, real maps |
| 02:09.55 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 02:09.59 | Scipio | hehehhe |
| 02:10.00 | Patlabor221 | what ever floats your boat |
| 02:10.15 | Patlabor221 | there is also no reason a tank color should be tied to the team |
| 02:10.17 | bryjen | alliteration apparently |
| 02:10.24 | Patlabor221 | in real FFA there are no teams |
| 02:10.31 | Patlabor221 | but then BZ dosn't do real FFA |
| 02:10.38 | Patlabor221 | not DeathMatch FFA |
| 02:10.38 | Scipio | that's going to be confusing if teams aren't easily identifiable |
| 02:10.46 | Patlabor221 | for team games yes |
| 02:10.55 | Scipio | sure it can. -mp 0,0,0,0,20,5 |
| 02:10.57 | Patlabor221 | but the server could define what team = what color |
| 02:11.07 | Patlabor221 | so you could have the pinks vs the blues |
| 02:11.19 | Patlabor221 | and interanal thats just team 1 vs team 2 |
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| 02:11.56 | Patlabor221 | you can have a default set of colors but hardcoding jsut limits options |
| 02:12.01 | Scipio | well apparently i have been voluntered to make chili |
| 02:12.07 | Scipio | so i'm gonna wander off |
| 02:12.09 | Patlabor221 | good luck |
| 02:12.13 | Patlabor221 | victory or death! |
| 02:12.16 | Patlabor221 | not and death |
| 02:12.16 | Scipio | hehehe |
| 02:12.18 | Patlabor221 | cus that's messy |
| 02:12.31 | jacques | is there a way to get info from external apps onto the bzflag display? |
| 02:12.32 | Scipio | *grin* |
| 02:12.45 | *** join/#bzflag |tim| (~tim@209-102-174-73.coastalnow.net) |
| 02:12.45 | Scipio | lemme guess....mp3s? |
| 02:12.56 | Patlabor221 | I don't think bzflag pipes |
| 02:13.06 | Scipio | i love when infinite tries to get his bzflag to tell us what mp3s he's listening to |
| 02:13.11 | Scipio | irritating to say the least |
| 02:13.20 | Patlabor221 | it would jsut be a code change |
| 02:13.23 | jacques | would be nice to know when certain ppl are IMing me for example |
| 02:13.35 | Scipio | & |
| 02:13.35 | Patlabor221 | you could run in a window |
| 02:13.39 | Patlabor221 | or get 2 monitors :) |
| 02:13.46 | jacques | would be easy enough to make a plugin for gaim, but would need a way to get it on the bzflag screen |
| 02:14.02 | jacques | unfortunately when I play I go into a trance |
| 02:14.08 | Patlabor221 | you could have it login like a bzadmin client and send you a message |
| 02:14.09 | jacques | hours fly by |
| 02:14.18 | jacques | Patlabor221: oooh that's an idea |
| 02:14.20 | Patlabor221 | that's about the only way I can think of |
| 02:14.25 | Patlabor221 | or just edit the bzflag code |
| 02:14.31 | Patlabor221 | and make it do what ever you need |
| 02:15.03 | jacques | yes, that's always an option - just wanted to see if I was reinventing the wheel |
| 02:15.11 | Patlabor221 | you could probably make the gaim plugin pipe to bzadmin and have it do it all, login, and the send |
| 02:15.24 | Patlabor221 | but that's the project motto :) |
| 02:15.30 | scanline | there was a proggie included in pybzflag that let you pipe text in and out of bzflag chat |
| 02:15.37 | scanline | but that needs updating to work with 1.10 |
| 02:16.20 | jacques | pybzflag? |
| 02:16.24 | scanline | yep |
| 02:16.25 | jacques | sounds interesting |
| 02:18.23 | jacques | on another subject, what's the etiquette on joining a public server with bots in tow? |
| 02:19.00 | jacques | i have been joining some empty servers with 4 bots (different teams) to play |
| 02:20.43 | MrApathyCream | jacques: most would say that was rude unless it was your own |
| 02:21.00 | MrApathyCream | or unless everyone is ok with it |
| 02:21.01 | jacques | MrApathyCream: OK I won't do it anymore |
| 02:21.21 | MrApathyCream | or if the server is empty |
| 02:21.24 | jacques | I was only joining empty servers, but then ppl showed up because there were players |
| 02:21.39 | MrApathyCream | i think that's legit |
| 02:21.53 | jacques | nobody complained |
| 02:21.54 | MrApathyCream | but if a bunch show up, ask if they want the bots to go |
| 02:22.01 | jacques | yeah good policy |
| 02:22.34 | Tupone | We should have a command to unregister our bots :) |
| 02:22.51 | jacques | sounds useful :-) |
| 02:23.28 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): works now... someone fixed who?? |
| 02:26.41 | jacques | I just googled some pybzflag screenshots - it looks awesome |
| 02:26.56 | scanline | most of the screenshots were lost in a disk crash unfortunately |
| 02:27.15 | scanline | there are some thumbnails on navi, but the actual screenies there went poof |
| 02:27.31 | scanline | it does have nicer graphics than bzflag proper :) |
| 02:28.36 | jacques | yeah I was wondering why I could not get the big images :-) |
| 02:29.22 | scanline | we had some RAID tools eat our partition, the images there were all recovered from the lost+found after a big reiserfsck |
| 02:29.40 | scanline | but the pybzflag directories only had thumbnails |
| 02:30.08 | jacques | and that exmplains the filenames |
| 02:30.17 | scanline | yyep |
| 02:31.43 | Nidhoggr | we REALLY need to not have rogue colors for rabbit hunt. |
| 02:31.58 | jacques | hmm looks like sf is down for maintenance - no bzflag forums or list archives for me :-\ |
| 02:32.04 | Nidhoggr | every noob that joins kills 5 people before they get the clue. |
| 02:32.13 | jacques | lol |
| 02:32.52 | Tupone | the better way IMHO is to change to another team |
| 02:33.01 | jacques | how is the rabbit chosen? hoghest score ? |
| 02:33.22 | Tupone | on the 1.10.2 ? |
| 02:33.33 | Nidhoggr | your guess is as good as anyone's ;) |
| 02:33.40 | *** join/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@pcp05927753pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:33.44 | SGI | hi |
| 02:33.48 | jacques | yeah 1.10.2 |
| 02:33.50 | Nidhoggr | hi sgi |
| 02:33.58 | Tupone | win * (win - loss) |
| 02:34.08 | jacques | ah thanks |
| 02:34.18 | Tupone | this is not good! I replaced it |
| 02:34.34 | SGI | to everyone here ..happy new year |
| 02:34.42 | Nidhoggr | we are doing a reverse tag patch for rabbit hunt. |
| 02:34.47 | Nidhoggr | it's done.. just gotta run it. |
| 02:35.06 | jacques | i suupose the idea is the rabbit is the strongest player? |
| 02:35.28 | Tupone | yeah |
| 02:35.32 | Nidhoggr | the reverse tag patch will make whoever shoots the rabbit the next rabbit. |
| 02:35.45 | jacques | it's a good game to play against bots |
| 02:35.48 | Nidhoggr | or random/old way if both die. |
| 02:36.00 | SGI | yeah will b e great |
| 02:36.10 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 02:36.19 | MrApathyCream | try starting this came with -c http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/robobase.bzw |
| 02:36.25 | MrApathyCream | and then joining with some bots |
| 02:37.04 | MrApathyCream | bzfs -world c:\robobase.bzw -fb -j -c |
| 02:39.18 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): more info |
| 02:39.27 | SGI | ~seen Quol |
| 02:39.29 | | quol <~quolsimo@65.39.216.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5d 7h 59m 28s ago, saying: 'be back in a minute - rebooting.....'. |
| 02:39.53 | SGI | this is a joke |
| 02:40.07 | Tupone | MrApathyCream: there is no collision check for bot! |
| 02:41.20 | MrApathyCream | yes bots assume they are never off the ground |
| 02:41.31 | MrApathyCream | so don't worry about falling |
| 02:41.40 | MrApathyCream | other than < 0, set to 0 |
| 02:42.31 | Tupone | We should wait for a new big release, when we put collision check in common between bot and player |
| 02:43.09 | *** part/#bzflag nikt (nikt@sq127.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 02:44.33 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): more bot clarity |
| 02:45.02 | MrApathyCream | tupone, yes a game library, then write bot api |
| 02:45.14 | MrApathyCream | hopefully 1.12.0 |
| 02:45.29 | Tupone | that is written in one of the learner task IIRC |
| 02:45.32 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 02:45.49 | MrApathyCream | do we know where we are? |
| 02:45.54 | jacques | bot api!! coool |
| 02:46.04 | MrApathyCream | are we just in 1.10.4 bug fixing for the indefinite future? |
| 02:46.37 | MrApathyCream | would be fun to start working on karma, bots, et al. but i guess we need to see this version settle |
| 02:46.56 | Tupone | I should say, just fix some of the minor BUGS, that does not change the way of playing. |
| 02:47.12 | Tupone | Bigger change should go in the 1.11 or later |
| 02:47.33 | MrApathyCream | yes, but when does 1.12 start? |
| 02:47.46 | MrApathyCream | after 1.10.4, 1.10.6? |
| 02:48.48 | Tupone | I think we should decide! But 1.11 not 1.12 |
| 02:49.14 | Tupone | I suppose the 1.10.4 should be branched |
| 02:51.14 | MrApathyCream | well 1.11 is the development version, on release it's 1.12 |
| 02:51.22 | MrApathyCream | yes we should branch |
| 02:53.15 | Tupone | I think the remaining BUGS to fix should be only the player counter given by listserver (if has not already been fixed) |
| 03:05.30 | MrApathyCream | i'm hoping the bunny bug in bugs is gone now |
| 03:05.57 | MrApathyCream | yeah, other than that they are insignifcant |
| 03:15.06 | Tupone | have you seen the wrong score anymore? |
| 03:15.46 | Tupone | not score , hmm, num of player |
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| 03:23.03 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-126-24.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
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| 03:40.57 | MrApathyCream | ooof |
| 03:41.32 | MrApathyCream | wassup? |
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| 03:44.23 | TimRiker | ouch. those thorns hurt |
| 03:45.23 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 03:45.37 | MrApathyCream | so what's your plan for new versions 1.10.4 vs. 1.12? |
| 03:48.41 | MrApathyCream | sigh! the rhodedendrun have engulfed him |
| 03:56.12 | Nidhoggr | vicious has done 2 patches... one is a -reqidentify switch to force those with a reg'd callsign to identify. and a -reversetag option instead of rabbit, so make whoever kills rabbit next rabbit. |
| 03:57.27 | MrApathyCream | on sf? |
| 03:57.32 | Nidhoggr | not yet |
| 04:04.06 | learner | Nidhoggr: is the -reversetag option in addition to -rabbit to specify a different rabbit selection algo only? |
| 04:04.34 | learner | Mmm.. tupone and mac have been busy :) |
| 04:04.38 | learner | howdy! |
| 04:04.46 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 04:05.10 | Scipio | so does -reversetag require -rabbit or replace -rabbit |
| 04:05.11 | MrApathyCream | himmm CIA is gone |
| 04:05.25 | learner | Scipio: that is my question :) |
| 04:05.33 | MrApathyCream | prolly would be better to have a -rabbit derivative |
| 04:05.39 | Scipio | learner: okay, just wanting to make sure |
| 04:05.52 | Scipio | mac: ? |
| 04:06.09 | Scipio | hmmm |
| 04:06.13 | MrApathyCream | -rabbit_score and -rabbit_shooter |
| 04:06.14 | Scipio | vicious idle 41 minutes |
| 04:06.15 | MrApathyCream | or whatever |
| 04:07.29 | MrApathyCream | watch out learner, TimRiker is watching you from that hydrangea over by the bench |
| 04:07.49 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (~sussudio@81.68.131.0) |
| 04:08.00 | learner | it works as a modifier well enough too -rabbitTag ;) |
| 04:08.10 | sussudio | ~kill cheaters |
| 04:08.14 | | ACTION shoots a super-inverse positrino gun at cheaters |
| 04:08.26 | learner | i noticed.. has me edgy that he'll jump out and poke me too |
| 04:08.45 | sussudio | bzflag with software rendering kinda hurts |
| 04:11.51 | MrApathyCream | sussudio: kinda ? |
| 04:11.59 | jacques | two to three hours my a$$ - sf still down |
| 04:12.21 | MrApathyCream | yuppers |
| 04:12.32 | MrApathyCream | thats 2-3 dog hours |
| 04:12.37 | learner | oh wow.. sf down, eh? best not to refresh my browser then.. |
| 04:12.57 | MrApathyCream | can always use google cache |
| 04:13.15 | sussudio | MrApathyCream: well with the pink buildings and stuff. |
| 04:13.20 | learner | I had it left open on the feature requests.. good enough for me ;) |
| 04:13.27 | MrApathyCream | sussudio: yes being facetious |
| 04:13.48 | sussudio | i dont think this matrox g100 has any 3d hardware acceleration |
| 04:13.56 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 04:14.00 | sussudio | snort. |
| 04:14.03 | MrApathyCream | and prolly 2k of vid ram |
| 04:14.30 | sussudio | 4MB |
| 04:14.52 | sussudio | well 64, with the AGP stuff. |
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| 04:16.39 | MrApathyCream | welcome back |
| 04:17.54 | Scipio | vicious says his -reversetag patch implies -rabit |
| 04:18.21 | Scipio | it starts a rabbit game with the reverse-tag style |
| 04:18.59 | MrApathyCream | understood but if we could keep the implications down it would be better |
| 04:19.24 | MrApathyCream | so make -reversetag something else that actually means something |
| 04:19.37 | MrApathyCream | -rabbit[shooter] |
| 04:19.40 | MrApathyCream | i donnu |
| 04:19.46 | learner | I think he's actually treating it like a new gamestyle "Reverse Tag" |
| 04:19.46 | MrApathyCream | something |
| 04:19.57 | shkoo | i was modelling it after -cr which implies capture the flag. |
| 04:20.02 | learner | just without all of the "other stuff" that has to be done for a full gamestyle |
| 04:20.12 | MrApathyCream | shkoo: yes, and i think -cr is bad |
| 04:20.15 | shkoo | oh. :) |
| 04:20.36 | shkoo | so it should require -rabbit instead of imply it? |
| 04:20.53 | learner | unless you plan on making it a full game style :) |
| 04:21.12 | learner | i.e. show up in the list server as not rabbit hunt |
| 04:21.44 | learner | as a mod flag to -rabbit is most certainly easiest/best for now |
| 04:22.52 | shkoo | how about "-rabbitstyle shooter"? so then the default would be "-rabbitstyle score", but we could have like "-rabbitstyle random" or potentially other things... |
| 04:23.17 | learner | sure, that'd be cool |
| 04:23.29 | learner | -rabbitSelection |
| 04:23.44 | learner | ? |
| 04:23.44 | sussudio | ~bunnies |
| 04:23.46 | | Bunnies are evil. Just look at their long ears and the way they twitch their noses. They're evil i tell you! And the reason they don't wear glasses, is because they use contacts. |
| 04:28.20 | learner | MAC, bzfs complains when I try to run "bzfs -world c:\robobase.bzw -fb -j -c" |
| 04:28.35 | learner | something about not finding the world file |
| 04:29.40 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 04:29.47 | learner | :) |
| 04:30.22 | MrApathyCream | shkoo -rabbitstyle is better than reversetag |
| 04:30.28 | learner | #flood might |
| 04:30.39 | sussudio | even if the channel was called #pasteyourcraphere |
| 04:31.03 | learner | the server you will likely kick for flooding unless things are arranged with lilo first |
| 04:31.03 | MrApathyCream | i always enjoy ascii art |
| 04:31.16 | MrApathyCream | but then i'm an odd chap |
| 04:31.18 | sussudio | :-| |
| 04:31.42 | learner | ascii art is good |
| 04:32.10 | sussudio | ~fix MrApathyCream |
| 04:32.13 | | ACTION takes MrApathyCream to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 04:36.41 | *** join/#bzflag CIA-1 (~CIA-1@navi.cs.colorado.edu) |
| 04:37.16 | learner | :( no delayed notification even? |
| 04:37.59 | scanline | patches welcome |
| 04:38.46 | MrApathyCream | scanline would do it, but he's enthrawled in the power of XP |
| 04:39.33 | MrApathyCream | ~lart doc.xsl |
| 04:39.38 | learner | lol |
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| 04:48.40 | Grumbler | the canadian snowgirl arrives, how's the weather |
| 04:49.12 | MrApathyCream | unseasonably warm here in the bzflag state of the world |
| 04:49.24 | learner | ~weather kapg |
| 04:49.33 | Grumbler | could be all those bugs in bunny hunt :) |
| 04:49.35 | learner | yep |
| 04:50.27 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/doc (doc.xsl): do stuff in lieu of actually getting the friggin thing to work |
| 04:50.43 | Grumbler | lol |
| 04:51.38 | Grumbler | ug, sf down, no way to log bugs |
| 04:51.58 | learner | sure there is.. the BUGS file :) |
| 04:52.26 | Grumbler | cant get to it if sf is down......unless there is some backdoor |
| 04:53.01 | learner | I'll not respond to profane backdoor references, but there is CVS :) |
| 04:53.24 | learner | http://brlcad.org/bzflag/cvs/BUGS |
| 04:54.32 | Grumbler | the bunny hunt bug needs more detail, not necessarily the worst player, just a player |
| 04:55.10 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/doc (doc.xsl): Note to self, don't embed div's in a table if you want to show/hide them. D'oh! |
| 04:55.29 | MrApathyCream | bunny hunt selection algo has changed |
| 04:55.30 | learner | the BUGS file are really just dev notes -- not exactly bug reports, but I bet you figured that out already |
| 04:55.38 | learner | tupone already changed it |
| 04:55.42 | learner | yesterday |
| 04:55.49 | learner | haven't tested it, though |
| 04:55.57 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr did a cvs build on dragon.org, same problem |
| 04:55.58 | MrApathyCream | altho if there really is a bug there, the change probably won't fix it |
| 04:56.11 | Grumbler | so you are correct mac |
| 04:56.42 | MrApathyCream | it has something to do wtih players being in some confused state ie not alive |
| 04:56.43 | learner | interesting |
| 04:56.45 | MrApathyCream | at selection time |
| 04:56.50 | Nidhoggr | it was jumping between best player with 30some points and worst player with -12, etc. |
| 04:57.03 | learner | yea, /me vaguely remembers pondering that with you earlier |
| 04:57.15 | MrApathyCream | only explaination afiacs |
| 04:57.15 | Nidhoggr | and they were getting annoyed that they were the only 2 becoming rabbit. |
| 04:57.36 | Grumbler | to the extent that they were pausing to not be the rabbit |
| 04:57.41 | Nidhoggr | chili is HOT and yummy. |
| 04:57.52 | Grumbler | tofu or mad cow |
| 04:58.03 | Nidhoggr | pork and turkey |
| 04:58.15 | learner | Mmm.. tofu AND mad cow |
| 04:58.23 | Nidhoggr | we are not doing non-organic beef right now. |
| 04:59.11 | Grumbler | sounds good. |
| 04:59.34 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/doc (doc.xsl): remove 'it don't work' comment |
| 04:59.40 | Nidhoggr | I was supposed to make chili for new year's eve party tomorrow, but I don't know if I'll have time. |
| 05:00.00 | Nidhoggr | I still might if I can get off of work early. |
| 05:00.13 | learner | MAC.. perhaps it's FlagActive |
| 05:00.25 | learner | most bunny maps are flag filled |
| 05:00.33 | learner | that would plain it a lil |
| 05:00.41 | learner | skips everyone carrying a flag |
| 05:01.09 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.10 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.10 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.10 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.10 | MrApathyCream | topRatio = ratio; |
| 05:01.11 | MrApathyCream | rabbitIndex = i; |
| 05:01.15 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.17 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.19 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.21 | MrApathyCream | where is flag active used? |
| 05:01.27 | Nidhoggr | a lot of people (like me) like to search for good flags while others are getting flattened. |
| 05:01.31 | MrApathyCream | maybe notResponding |
| 05:01.50 | learner | where is PlayerAlive? |
| 05:02.01 | MrApathyCream | see above |
| 05:02.11 | MrApathyCream | player[i].state == PlayerAlive |
| 05:02.17 | orchid | sorry Grumbler, was away playing a silly time wasting game, weather here mild |
| 05:02.28 | learner | no, I mean where is it defined? |
| 05:02.35 | Grumbler | orchid, np, just a chitchat |
| 05:02.47 | MrApathyCream | oh wait!!!!! |
| 05:02.50 | MrApathyCream | that's a bit map |
| 05:02.53 | MrApathyCream | woooot!!! |
| 05:02.55 | MrApathyCream | thats the problem |
| 05:03.04 | learner | :) |
| 05:03.06 | learner | yay! |
| 05:03.07 | learner | what? |
| 05:04.26 | MrApathyCream | player[i].state can be more than just alive or dead |
| 05:04.32 | MrApathyCream | there are other bits in there |
| 05:04.42 | MrApathyCream | so a pure == is wrong |
| 05:04.54 | Grumbler | so it should be PlayerNotDead |
| 05:04.57 | learner | ah :0 |
| 05:05.16 | Grumbler | or PlayerNotDeadYet |
| 05:05.20 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): fix the frigin rabbit bug |
| 05:05.36 | Grumbler | lot of anger there |
| 05:06.21 | Grumbler | in a perfect world, if a player paused while he/she was rabbit they would lose a point |
| 05:06.34 | Grumbler | instead of just not being the rabbit any longer |
| 05:06.53 | Grumbler | well, in my perfect world |
| 05:07.08 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): oops drawkcab |
| 05:07.53 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): Rabbit bug fixed. PlayerState is a bit mask so doing state == PlayerAlive is wrong. This causes valid players to be bypassed. Need to just check the bit. |
| 05:08.07 | shkoo | uhh |
| 05:08.22 | learner | shweet |
| 05:08.29 | Grumbler | bonus |
| 05:08.39 | shkoo | are you thinking of .status? |
| 05:08.49 | shkoo | .state isn't a bitmap... |
| 05:09.52 | MrApathyCream | huh? |
| 05:09.55 | MrApathyCream | comes from the client no |
| 05:09.57 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 05:10.43 | MrApathyCream | alive, flagactive, crossingwall, falling, etc etc? |
| 05:11.44 | shkoo | .state in PlayerInfo, which anointNewRabbit checks against PlayerAlive, is an enum (ClientState), not a bitmap. |
| 05:12.49 | MrApathyCream | ug |
| 05:12.57 | MrApathyCream | oops |
| 05:13.12 | learner | ~fishslap ClientState |
| 05:13.15 | | ACTION slaps ClientState up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 05:15.11 | learner | that would lean me twards notresponding or oldrabbit |
| 05:15.57 | learner | still.. maybe player state isn't set yet/properly |
| 05:16.03 | MrApathyCream | learner oldrabbit would only account for 1 skipped player |
| 05:16.41 | learner | assuming we're not in some loop were oldrabbit is repeated "updated" |
| 05:16.56 | MrApathyCream | true |
| 05:16.58 | learner | repeatedly |
| 05:17.01 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): *blush* roll back... to many 'state' variables in bzfs |
| 05:17.28 | MrApathyCream | anyone got the old BUGS text? |
| 05:18.27 | learner | according to that state enum -- could be in limbo or invalid player |
| 05:18.46 | Grumbler | well it does cycle through all the players, maybe the ratio is calculation is not passed properly so that every ratio is better than the last, |
| 05:19.08 | learner | MAC, i have it, cvs does too.. why? |
| 05:19.36 | MrApathyCream | need to put it back .... grin |
| 05:19.45 | MrApathyCream | or dead |
| 05:20.08 | Grumbler | what file are you all looking at? |
| 05:20.37 | Grumbler | i am using learners http to look at the files.....fyi |
| 05:20.54 | learner | they are auto-updated to cvs every few minutes |
| 05:22.10 | Grumbler | C doesnt have the == and === garbage does it.....ug |
| 05:22.10 | MrApathyCream | bzfs.cxx |
| 05:22.17 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 05:22.18 | Grumbler | there now, thnx |
| 05:22.28 | MrApathyCream | line 2640 |
| 05:22.43 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): *blush* roll back... to many 'state' variables in bzfs |
| 05:22.48 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 05:23.52 | learner | Grumbler: I started adding a HunterTeam so line numbers might be off by one or two in some files |
| 05:24.07 | learner | don't think anything in bzfs is affected yet, though |
| 05:24.24 | Grumbler | no problem....i am just searching for the word rabbit right now to see how everything is initialized |
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| 05:26.48 | MrApathyCream | uhoh |
| 05:27.06 | MrApathyCream | bzfs.cxx seems to have line ending problems :( |
| 05:27.24 | learner | yes.. you seem to keep sneaking in carriage returns somehow |
| 05:28.58 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): how are these dang carriage returns suddenly sneaking in |
| 05:29.27 | MrApathyCream | learner: what's the difference between <chapter> and <screen> |
| 05:30.59 | CIA-1 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/doc (doc.xsl): bye bye carriage returns (for now) |
| 05:31.09 | MrApathyCream | er, i mean <para> and <screen> |
| 05:31.35 | learner | screen is a raw section of preformatted text |
| 05:31.37 | Grumbler | return average*penalty.....returns a float right?....or an integer?, oh well wish i had that book ehre |
| 05:31.46 | learner | para is a regular paragraph |
| 05:32.09 | MrApathyCream | Grumbler: if av or pen is a float it's a float |
| 05:32.15 | MrApathyCream | if both ints then it's an in |
| 05:32.16 | MrApathyCream | t |
| 05:32.24 | learner | whitespace matters inside of a screen, probably best converts to an html <code></code> or <pre></pre> block |
| 05:32.29 | Grumbler | ok |
| 05:32.31 | Grumbler | thnx |
| 05:33.29 | learner | the sum is an int, but is cast to a float everywhere so all computations are floating point |
| 05:37.31 | CIA-1 | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/doc (doc.xsl): handle <screen> |
| 05:37.51 | Grumbler | is the array of players a constant, so that the i'th player is always the same player? |
| 05:37.56 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:38.00 | MrApathyCream | unless they leave |
| 05:38.37 | learner | using NoPlayer is bogus -- since it's 255 and there could potentially be that many players, but I'm not seeing anything yet |
| 05:39.26 | MrApathyCream | learner: i think its ok |
| 05:39.42 | MrApathyCream | const PlayerIdLastRealPlayer = 243; |
| 05:39.51 | MrApathyCream | code should respect that |
| 05:39.55 | MrApathyCream | <hope so> |
| 05:40.15 | Grumbler | ok so the first loop tries to pick the next rabbit, the second loop is there if it fails, and the third double checks that it is not picking the old rabbit again |
| 05:40.41 | learner | given the behavior, I'm gonna bet that rabbitIndex is never set and we always get into the second section |
| 05:41.00 | learner | MrApathyCream: so impossible to have more than 243 players without unexpected behavior? |
| 05:41.02 | Grumbler | > PlayerInLimbo |
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| 05:41.33 | sussudio | haha that dillhole knightmare tried to kill me with my own bug |
| 05:41.55 | MrApathyCream | learner: yes |
| 05:42.23 | learner | I'll need more than that once bots get rolling :) |
| 05:42.37 | Grumbler | ha, i think i see things now |
| 05:42.53 | Grumbler | assume that both loops failed |
| 05:43.03 | Grumbler | and you get to the third |
| 05:43.05 | learner | evolutionary algorithms with populations under 256 can be tough for a domain space this complex :) |
| 05:43.32 | learner | you mean third section? there is no third loop |
| 05:43.44 | Grumbler | err, yeah, third section |
| 05:44.07 | Grumbler | (oldRabbit != NoPlayer), this would be true, since the oldRabbit existed |
| 05:45.02 | Grumbler | oh, barf....no missing a setting for rabbitIndex.... |
| 05:45.35 | MrApathyCream | hmmm look at the last 4 lines |
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| 05:45.40 | Grumbler | it has to be set to the highest value of i(the array length) so that it picks the worst player |
| 05:45.50 | MrApathyCream | you could broadcast that the rabbit is NoPlayer |
| 05:45.54 | MrApathyCream | not that i think thats the problem |
| 05:46.26 | learner | could happen, I supposed |
| 05:46.29 | learner | er suppose |
| 05:47.44 | learner | that global really needs to go bye bye |
| 05:47.58 | MrApathyCream | ya know the second loops seems silly |
| 05:48.03 | TimRiker | sussudio: as well they should not. you might never run the server, and you might only run the server. |
| 05:48.06 | MrApathyCream | you would think you'd just need to check the oldrabbit |
| 05:48.43 | sussudio | TimRiker: meh? |
| 05:49.57 | learner | it does seem pointless, mac -- only difference in the loop is that this time we should end up picking oldRabbit unless there is a better dead player |
| 05:50.01 | TimRiker | sussudio: the debian packages. |
| 05:50.20 | MrApathyCream | ah dead i see |
| 05:50.23 | sussudio | TimRiker: bzflag and bzflag-server are seperate packages |
| 05:50.31 | Grumbler | where does oldRabbit get set to the oldRabbit |
| 05:50.32 | TimRiker | for just that reason. |
| 05:50.54 | MrApathyCream | seems like a bad idea to anoint a dead person |
| 05:51.09 | Grumbler | is rabbitIndex remembered from the previous loop |
| 05:51.10 | sussudio | TimRiker: i did apt-get install bzflag on a clean debian install and it just got xserver-common, that way you can't actually play bzflag |
| 05:51.11 | learner | Grumbler: at the top of the routine before we start |
| 05:51.21 | MrApathyCream | Grumbler: yes |
| 05:51.36 | learner | that's the global |
| 05:51.42 | MrApathyCream | learner if there isn't a rabbit and someone comes alive, don't they become rabbit? |
| 05:51.49 | TimRiker | sussudio: huh? you should have some gl/glu libs or the install would complain. |
| 05:51.53 | learner | MrApathyCream: yes |
| 05:52.08 | TimRiker | the client should depend on them. the server should not. |
| 05:52.08 | MrApathyCream | so anoint should just check the old rabbit if exists in the second part |
| 05:52.44 | MrApathyCream | not that that is the solution |
| 05:52.48 | MrApathyCream | just refactoring |
| 05:52.51 | Grumbler | doesnt this field remember that player[oldRabbit].wasRabbit = true; |
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| 05:53.24 | Grumbler | so instead of checking if i=oldRabbit, you could just check wasRabbit==true |
| 05:53.27 | learner | chestal added that later |
| 05:53.33 | Grumbler | ok |
| 05:53.39 | sussudio | BZFlag Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.1-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3-0pre9), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3-0pre9), xlibmesa3-gl | libgl1, xlibmesa3-glu | libglu1, xlibs (>> 4.1.0) |
| 05:53.56 | MrApathyCream | wasrabbit is just for figuring tk-ers |
| 05:54.06 | sussudio | that's the stuff it installs.... you need at least an xserver and xclient to run it, that's what i meant. |
| 05:54.19 | learner | i still think that should be a more general previousTeam field |
| 05:54.53 | MrApathyCream | prhaps |
| 05:54.57 | Grumbler | so that field is set here, and then reset elsewhere after the bullets stop flying around |
| 05:56.00 | MrApathyCream | wasRabbit is cleared once you click the restart |
| 05:56.24 | MrApathyCream | it's probably flawed, but unrelated |
| 05:57.01 | Grumbler | but then it couldnt be used as i thought.....thats ok though |
| 05:58.17 | MrApathyCream | this problem it would seem would be easy to fix with a little debug trace on a server that exhibits the problem |
| 05:58.35 | MrApathyCream | the problem as i see it is, it's hard to reproduce |
| 05:58.38 | MrApathyCream | but perhaps i'm wrong |
| 05:59.00 | Grumbler | ok another dum question...... |
| 05:59.02 | Grumbler | int oldRabbit = rabbitIndex; |
| 05:59.02 | Grumbler | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.14 | MrApathyCream | yes..? |
| 05:59.37 | Grumbler | those two lines are executed one after another....not simulataneously where things may not act like you would expect |
| 05:59.37 | MrApathyCream | rabbitIndex is global |
| 05:59.52 | MrApathyCream | yes one after another |
| 06:00.21 | MrApathyCream | Grumbler: Nidhoggr: can you reproduce this? |
| 06:00.41 | Grumbler | its Nidhoggr's server.... |
| 06:00.54 | Grumbler | i played a long time tonight |
| 06:01.46 | MrApathyCream | and...? |
| 06:02.23 | Grumbler | yep, so no, i cant help reproduce the problem, ihave just observed the effects all night on dragon.org |
| 06:02.37 | learner | and learner tries a lil debugging before calling it a night |
| 06:02.51 | MrApathyCream | outputing why player was skipped? |
| 06:03.16 | learner | outputing when player is set, etc |
| 06:03.46 | learner | just want to at least see which loops are getting entered |
| 06:03.57 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 06:04.10 | MrApathyCream | want testers? |
| 06:04.18 | Grumbler | ditto |
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| 06:04.28 | MrApathyCream | sf is up |
| 06:04.28 | learner | sure |
| 06:04.36 | Grumbler | where |
| 06:04.55 | MrApathyCream | ditto |
| 06:05.40 | learner | my bunny server |
| 06:06.06 | sussudio | =:-B |
| 06:06.51 | MrApathyCream | one sec |
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| 06:14.42 | sussudio | gr. |
| 07:02.48 | SGI | good nite |
| 07:03.02 | SGI | bye and happy new year |
| 07:40.11 | learner | where do f5 screenshots get saved? |
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| 07:40.22 | MrApathyCream | the 'current' directory |
| 07:40.34 | learner | ah, there they are |
| 07:41.20 | learner | cool, it works :) (!!!) |
| 07:41.38 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:41.59 | learner | i was worried about the ogl frame locking on os x, but apparently it's not a problem :) |
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| 07:42.52 | learner | heh "Got shot by bunnies (Rabbit)" |
| 07:43.37 | learner | well, nothing blatently horrible there |
| 07:43.47 | MrApathyCream | i wonder how many cmdline options you can have before your app uses an excessive amount |
| 07:43.52 | fontenot | hmm, I can't figure out how to download the maps from sf |
| 07:43.56 | fontenot | for example decks |
| 07:44.17 | MrApathyCream | just join a server that is using decks, and then hit menu/options/saveworld :) |
| 07:44.33 | learner | g'night |
| 07:45.02 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
| 07:45.11 | fontenot | MrApathyCream, d'oh - I never knew that |
| 07:45.22 | MrApathyCream | new in 1.10 |
| 07:46.03 | MrApathyCream | well sl33p time |
| 07:46.46 | sussudio | =:-B |
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| 07:59.09 | fontenot | interesting - do you drop your flag when paused? |
| 08:03.16 | TimRiker | fontenot: team flags, yes. |
| 08:05.01 | fontenot | i just picked up a SB on empty server and paused to talk to someone on IM, and after a few seconds I dropped the flag |
| 08:05.14 | fontenot | tho I suppose I could have hit the wrong button and not noticed it |
| 08:05.46 | creeperz | :-) |
| 08:05.49 | fontenot | but yeah, I could see that definitely being necessary for team flags |
| 08:06.10 | creeperz | <subliminal message>SEND ME MONEY!</subliminal message> |
| 08:08.07 | |tim| | My GM flag dropped after I paused, and I noticed you could change the time limit with "/set _pauseDropTime" |
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| 08:18.35 | TheDarkSamurai | hi all |
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| 09:09.56 | Patlabor221 | well now that was the world's most involved bios upgrade |
| 09:10.02 | purple_cow | yayay flcl |
| 09:10.12 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 09:10.16 | Patlabor221 | kanti rocks |
| 09:10.40 | Patlabor221 | I have the first disk of "magical shoping arcade, abenobashi" that I have to watch |
| 09:11.10 | purple_cow | never heard of it |
| 09:11.42 | Patlabor221 | same people, as eva, flcl, et all |
| 09:11.48 | Patlabor221 | this the latest |
| 09:11.53 | purple_cow | ahh |
| 09:12.36 | Patlabor221 | damn 2/3s of my ram is not PC2700 |
| 09:13.03 | Patlabor221 | I fell sad with only 512 |
| 09:13.27 | purple_cow | navi is about to get a gig |
| 09:13.54 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 09:14.06 | Patlabor221 | I had a gig and a half, but only one dimm was 2700 |
| 09:14.14 | Patlabor221 | and I just put in the new CPU |
| 09:15.16 | Patlabor221 | but at least I have a CPU that runs over 2 real gigahtz |
| 09:15.36 | purple_cow | fun |
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| 09:16.10 | Patlabor221 | yeah, I'll just ahve to look around and find machines with 2700 that don't need it and swap them out for 2100 tomorow |
| 09:34.06 | Patlabor221 | well I guess I'll have to live with 350 fhz |
| 09:38.23 | purple_cow | eh, 'tis higher than your refresh anyhow |
| 09:39.03 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 09:39.10 | Patlabor221 | well not in bzflag it isn't |
| 09:39.29 | purple_cow | hm? |
| 09:39.30 | Patlabor221 | I get 60-50 on most maps |
| 09:39.33 | purple_cow | ah |
| 09:39.46 | Patlabor221 | it ensadens me |
| 09:40.47 | purple_cow | well, a lot of that is due to the maps |
| 09:41.22 | Patlabor221 | and the app that does the drawing |
| 09:41.41 | Patlabor221 | it's not poly count, test app draws more then the maps |
| 09:42.05 | Patlabor221 | it's worse in 1.10.x |
| 09:42.13 | Patlabor221 | something is flushing the state too much |
| 09:42.19 | purple_cow | test app? |
| 09:42.49 | Patlabor221 | an old test app that draws a bunch of textured polys |
| 09:43.35 | Patlabor221 | with lists everyting fits on the card and I get those 350's |
| 09:43.37 | purple_cow | ahh |
| 09:44.00 | Patlabor221 | so it's not drawing time that is sucking it up |
| 09:44.53 | Patlabor221 | I should make a "worst case" map render test |
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| 10:04.20 | sussudio | wouldn't a purple cow just be a really big pig? |
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| 11:07.45 | CIA-1____ | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): Apage satanas! eh, CRs |
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| 11:17.17 | CIA-4 | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): world weapon bug still persists for me |
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| 13:33.04 | CIA-4 | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): it's all shiny |
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| 13:54.33 | Chestal | hi Quol |
| 13:55.03 | Quol | How are you Chestal? Ready for the new year? |
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| 14:04.43 | Chestal | Quol: not really, the end of the year always comes all of a sudden :-) |
| 14:05.50 | Quol | Chestal: I know what you mean - well I hope you have a great new year :) are you doing anything for tonight? |
| 14:06.29 | Chestal | nope, nothing |
| 14:06.46 | Chestal | I hope I'll advance a bit in my reading of Moby Dick |
| 14:08.00 | Quol | ahhh - have fun captain nemo - watch out for the whale :) |
| 14:08.21 | Chestal | ahem, it's Ahab :-) |
| 14:09.05 | Quol | lol - ya - I forgot :) |
| 14:09.23 | Quol | whereis captain nemo from then?.... |
| 14:09.40 | Chestal | he's the captain of the Nautilus |
| 14:10.42 | Chestal | 20,000 Leagues under the Sea, Jules Verne |
| 14:11.05 | Quol | ahh - that must be it - haven't read those in years... |
| 14:11.25 | Quol | read them all in high school - so that would be about 13 years ago :) |
| 14:11.54 | Quol | know I only have time to read technical manuals or white papers or technology books :( |
| 14:12.02 | Chestal | I'm reading Moby Dick in English - and it's not too easy |
| 14:12.11 | Quol | wow - must not be... |
| 14:12.22 | Quol | they must have translated it into germain? |
| 14:12.30 | Chestal | yes, of course |
| 14:12.34 | Quol | err - german I mean ;) |
| 14:12.44 | Chestal | but I figured it would be better in English |
| 14:13.05 | Quol | good luck - how far along are you |
| 14:13.07 | Chestal | and cheaper, too :-) |
| 14:13.17 | Chestal | about 2/5 |
| 14:13.41 | Quol | that's pretty good...so by the end of today you will be 4/5 :) |
| 14:13.48 | Chestal | uhm |
| 14:14.05 | Chestal | it took me weeks to get as far asI am :-) |
| 14:14.05 | Quol | ok - 2.2/5 |
| 14:14.20 | Chestal | usually only reading a few minutes in the evening |
| 14:14.38 | Quol | ya - that's my favorite reading time |
| 14:14.55 | Quol | after my wife and kids are in bed, and i can actually have some quite time and think |
| 14:14.59 | Chestal | my next book will be in German and also take place on a sailing ship |
| 14:15.04 | Quol | that's usually around 10:30PM |
| 14:15.13 | Chestal | I think in English it's called 'The Discovery of Slowness' |
| 14:15.25 | Quol | haven't heard of it... |
| 14:15.36 | Chestal | I guess it's only really famous in Germany |
| 14:15.56 | Chestal | was written about 20 years agoI think, but AFAIK there is a good English translation |
| 14:16.31 | Quol | I will check it ou |
| 14:16.33 | Quol | t |
| 14:18.27 | Chestal | http://www.canongate.net/list/glp.taf?_p=6650 |
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| 14:20.47 | Quol | ya - I can pick it up from amazon.ca for 6.99 canadian -not bad |
| 14:22.14 | Chestal | I haven't read contemporary literature for some time, I have lots of classic to discover yet |
| 14:22.37 | Quol | There are lots of good books out there.... |
| 14:23.04 | Chestal | yes, so much to read so little time (elsewhere wasted :-) |
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| 14:23.46 | Quol | yes...is bzflag wasting time - if that's so then I have wasted 5 about 5 years :) |
| 14:23.56 | Smilodon | Hello |
| 14:24.05 | Quol | Hello Smilodon |
| 14:27.08 | sussudio | that's it, no more hello's from Quol |
| 14:28.02 | Quol | lol sussudio |
| 14:28.15 | Quol | I didn't know that they were so offensive :) |
| 14:30.06 | sussudio | your nick probably means something really naughty in spanish |
| 14:30.32 | Quol | lol - maybe |
| 14:31.43 | Quol | unfortunately - it's not even english, I mispelled a latin word I believe, but have gotten known as this, and have used the "wrong" spelling of it for years now - not just BZ - but it's become my online identity whereever I go - so too late now :) |
| 14:32.59 | sussudio | it could be klingon. |
| 14:33.10 | sussudio | Qu'Ol - to beat up small children with heads of lettuce |
| 14:33.33 | Quol | lol |
| 14:47.55 | CIA-5 | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): comment on increased gravity respawn |
| 14:48.58 | CIA-5 | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): doubt menu bug |
| 14:49.27 | Quol | all you CVS boys - is there a way to graph or report all the files that make up a release on a module - by tag or something - but at the module level? |
| 14:49.36 | Quol | not at the individual file level? |
| 14:50.34 | Quol | so if I have release 4.3, and I want to have a report that lists all the revisions for each file at the module level for any release (tag of 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 etc..) |
| 14:51.51 | Quol | I now that cvsweb/viewcvs can sort of do it - but you can't generate a report from that...hence the question... |
| 14:51.54 | Chestal | sorry, allI can do is cvs up, cvs diff and cvs commit :-) |
| 14:52.46 | Quol | ahh - OK, I am not much more than that...except I know cvs status and history too, as well as add and remove/release :) |
| 15:12.27 | learner | the menu bug might be fixed now |
| 15:19.41 | Nidhoggr | shkoo posted his -requireIdentify patch on sourceforge *cheer* |
| 15:19.57 | Nidhoggr | he's going to wait on the rabbit stuff until the troubleshooting/fixing is done. |
| 15:21.47 | triclops | year++ |
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| 15:41.35 | michaelh | . |
| 15:42.12 | michaelh | looks like another slack off day ahead, but I killed the machine that could reallly run bzflag |
| 15:42.40 | michaelh | four red leds ... sniff |
| 15:43.54 | michaelh | so can putting a ddr dimm in backwards kill the cpu somehow? Obvious it can damage somethings ....... |
| 15:46.05 | bryjen | dimms are keyed -- notched to only go in one way. |
| 15:46.23 | Nidhoggr | it shouldn't hurt the CPU, but it MIGHT hurt the DIMM |
| 15:46.34 | Nidhoggr | if you could manage to put it in wrong somehow. |
| 15:47.10 | Nidhoggr | you can force older dimms in to the wrong socket if the socket was cheap, and the key bent easily. |
| 15:47.26 | bryjen | crack the mobo or the dimm pushing on it hard enough to overcome the keying |
| 15:47.27 | Quol | well guys - if I am not back - Happy new years to you all... |
| 15:47.42 | learner | Quol doesn't mean anything in Spanish that I'm aware of. The closest is probably "cual" which usually means "which" as in "cual vas a mater" -> "which are you going to kill" |
| 15:47.43 | Nidhoggr | happy new year, quol |
| 15:47.52 | learner | Happy new years quol |
| 15:48.07 | learner | s/mater/matar/ |
| 15:48.27 | bryjen | ~x es en quol |
| 15:48.35 | bryjen | uh |
| 15:48.42 | bryjen | ~x en es which |
| 15:49.27 | michaelh | hmm |
| 15:49.28 | bryjen | ~x es en qual |
| 15:49.49 | michaelh | so perhaps the MB is fubared |
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| 15:50.44 | michaelh | got those 4 red led things, manual says it's not making it past the power on stage |
| 15:50.55 | michaelh | the very first part of the post |
| 15:51.07 | bryjen | well, there's probly a good reason they're keyed, so if you manged to plug it in backward w/o physically breaking anything, something may have fried :( |
| 15:52.09 | michaelh | stupid me |
| 15:52.22 | michaelh | was kind of dark |
| 15:52.46 | michaelh | crappy bios layout for this motherboard |
| 15:52.52 | michaelh | weird menu layouts |
| 15:53.48 | michaelh | msi 865PE Neo2 ls -- of course now I don't have to watch them anymore since it never actually displays anything on screen anymore |
| 15:54.02 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 15:54.34 | michaelh | If I got paid on Dec 31 that counts towards 2003 taxes, right? :) |
| 15:54.44 | Nidhoggr | yup |
| 15:55.05 | michaelh | My company does this european once a month pay thingee |
| 15:56.18 | bryjen | hmm sussudio had a mobo die the other day too. maybe its a year 2004 hardware eating bug and your bios clocks were fast :) |
| 15:56.32 | Nidhoggr | we get 2 times a month. 15th and last day |
| 16:00.17 | michaelh | maybe so |
| 16:00.53 | michaelh | Was repeatedly crashing bzflag hardcore, then I swapped out a dimm and it went for almost an hour straight no crashing |
| 16:00.54 | Nidhoggr | you might try removing the MB battery for a few minutes. |
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| 16:01.19 | michaelh | then I went to try to put the bad one back in, and in the process I killed the puter |
| 16:01.20 | Nidhoggr | that SOMETIMES works... although not often. |
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| 16:12.06 | Noodlema1 | why all of a sudden is everything trying to connect thru the access point across the street? |
| 16:12.06 | Noodlema1 | grrrrr |
| 16:14.32 | Grumbler | you kicked the plug out of the outlet again, didnt you :) |
| 16:17.45 | Noodlema1 | Grumbler: haha |
| 16:17.50 | Nidhoggr | grumbler.. I added you to ops group on both servers. |
| 16:18.24 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: cool, time for a power trip ...........just kidding :) |
| 16:18.24 | Noodlema1 | i have been known to kick plugs out of outlets... |
| 16:22.39 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 16:24.34 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: we did some more debug of bunny hunt last night................ |
| 16:25.08 | Grumbler | the problem only seemed to show up with large number of players(>4) |
| 16:25.13 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 16:25.21 | Grumbler | 4 being an approximation |
| 16:25.34 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 16:25.40 | Grumbler | also, it was a different OS server |
| 16:25.57 | Grumbler | os x, to be specific |
| 16:25.59 | Nidhoggr | well, shkoo isn't going to do the reversetag option until the rabbit code is debugged.. it'd be too much to keep up. |
| 16:26.29 | Grumbler | the routine that actually picks the next rabbit is really compact/easy to look at |
| 16:26.29 | Nidhoggr | but he did do the requireIdentify patch, and put on SF last night. |
| 16:26.47 | Nidhoggr | it might not be after it's "fixed" ;) |
| 16:27.33 | Grumbler | nah, even i could come up with some routine..........and a rotating selection is the easiest one to implement |
| 16:28.03 | Grumbler | but adding a penalty for pausing while a rabbit might be more difficult |
| 16:31.47 | Nidhoggr | yeah. I think making it impossible to pause would be better. have the server report incorrectly that you are in the air or something? |
| 16:31.50 | Nidhoggr | dunno. |
| 16:32.32 | bryjen | maybe if they pause it just randomly picks someone else. |
| 16:32.42 | Grumbler | if there was a pause routine, you could add something to effect a kill |
| 16:34.19 | Nidhoggr | it sorta does that now bryjen |
| 16:34.28 | Nidhoggr | but people pause to avoid being rabbit. |
| 16:34.52 | michaelh | kkill the wabbit killl the wabbit |
| 16:36.44 | bryjen | i like pat's idea of doing away with the kills/deaths point scoreboard for rabbit chase and keeping track of how long each player has been rabbit |
| 16:37.08 | Nidhoggr | that's not a bad idea. |
| 16:37.13 | bryjen | then again, i think the individual scores shouldn't be displayed in CTF... |
| 16:37.18 | Grumbler | and with the bug that exists now, and the person with the TopRatio using pause, it picks the same person over and over again.......usually the worst player, poor fellow |
| 16:37.37 | Nidhoggr | I bet that's why that guy kept getting rabbit last night. |
| 16:37.47 | Grumbler | howLong * numberOfKills |
| 16:38.13 | Nidhoggr | once the bugs are fixed, I'm going to make pausing while rabbit a kickable/bannable offense. |
| 16:38.30 | Grumbler | when the guy rejoined though, it picked him again a few times, but then the bug was not active...........hmmm |
| 16:38.45 | bryjen | just howLong. its about staying alive and staying rabbit. to do so, you'd probly have to kill a few folks tho... :) |
| 16:38.48 | Nidhoggr | because he had a 0 score... and no bad rations. |
| 16:38.52 | Nidhoggr | ratios |
| 16:39.17 | Nidhoggr | and the non-rabbit color really HAS to change. |
| 16:39.19 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 16:39.26 | Grumbler | second that |
| 16:39.40 | Grumbler | the color, not the nuking |
| 16:39.47 | bryjen | would somebody please turn off that broken recordplayer? :) |
| 16:39.55 | Nidhoggr | and the non-rabbit color really HAS to change. |
| 16:39.57 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 16:40.20 | Grumbler | and the non-rabbit and rabbit color really HAS to change |
| 16:40.24 | Grumbler | and the non-rabbit and rabbit color really HAS to change |
| 16:40.25 | michaelh | <Nidhoggr> and the non-rabbit color really HAS to change. |
| 16:40.27 | Grumbler | and the non-rabbit and rabbit color really HAS to change |
| 16:40.33 | Nidhoggr | I know I say that too much, but it really is annoying when you have 20 people playing hunt the rabbit. |
| 16:40.50 | Grumbler | second that |
| 16:40.52 | Nidhoggr | and 3 of them are not aware of how it works. |
| 16:40.59 | michaelh | I unsecond that |
| 16:41.16 | Grumbler | seeing the removal of a second, i third it |
| 16:41.25 | Nidhoggr | dragon.org/basement was fun with 20 people playing though. |
| 16:41.47 | Nidhoggr | it makes bzflag a lot more funnerer |
| 16:41.48 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 16:41.56 | michaelh | I strenuously object sir! |
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| 16:42.00 | bryjen | kinda like when 2 out of four colors in four-team CTF are really just playing FFA style? |
| 16:42.12 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 16:43.11 | Grumbler | Would the distinctive sir from michael-town like to give way? |
| 16:44.22 | michaelh | pffft |
| 16:44.28 | Grumbler | God save the Queen......of england, not the other kind, well not that i have anything against the other kind, just not the intended punch line i was looking for, and of course "bring out your dead" |
| 16:44.41 | Grumbler | :) |
| 16:45.16 | Nidhoggr | "strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government." |
| 16:45.17 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:45.26 | Grumbler | here here |
| 16:45.57 | Nidhoggr | "supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony!" |
| 16:45.58 | bryjen | soggy tarts or somethinglikethat |
| 16:46.14 | Nidhoggr | moistened bint |
| 16:46.16 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:46.32 | Nidhoggr | "just because some watery tart threw a sword at you" I think. |
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| 16:54.44 | Nidhoggr | good morning, orchid |
| 16:54.55 | orchid | morning :) |
| 16:55.17 | orchid | how are my little bz-munchkins today? |
| 16:56.05 | Nidhoggr | gearing up for the big party tonight. |
| 16:56.24 | orchid | ahh, still undecided what I will do |
| 16:56.57 | Nidhoggr | brb. gotta reboot a server... |
| 16:57.23 | orchid | in 1.10*, the config file is ~/.bzf/config? |
| 16:57.41 | orchid | where i put the email line: set email "" |
| 16:57.54 | orchid | but that works for one session only |
| 16:58.06 | orchid | next game restart it is overwritten |
| 16:58.10 | bryjen | i dont think it likes the blank |
| 16:58.26 | orchid | and my name is <nick> (anonymous) |
| 16:58.50 | orchid | so it cant be blank? |
| 16:59.02 | michaelh | set it to a space? |
| 16:59.08 | orchid | how? |
| 16:59.13 | michaelh | " " ? |
| 16:59.15 | bryjen | i'm not sure. i couldn't get mine to remember it as blank |
| 16:59.22 | orchid | hmm |
| 16:59.28 | michaelh | I can take a gander at that |
| 17:00.05 | orchid | space gives me <nick> ( ) |
| 17:00.20 | bryjen | i'm guessing when you exit, it basically re-writes-out the file and if the email item is blank in memory, it omits writing the email entry at all |
| 17:00.40 | orchid | but it does remember the ( ) on restart |
| 17:01.05 | bryjen | yeah. space character not = blank |
| 17:01.27 | orchid | but id like to lose the () al together |
| 17:02.05 | bryjen | i donno if it does that. Or have you seen someone without it? |
| 17:02.13 | orchid | yeah |
| 17:02.16 | bryjen | hmm |
| 17:02.21 | orchid | and it did it with 1.7 |
| 17:02.31 | orchid | i could sign on with just bzg |
| 17:02.49 | orchid | not bzg ( ) |
| 17:02.50 | bryjen | this is 1.10 now. new "features" ;) |
| 17:03.01 | orchid | o well |
| 17:03.49 | michaelh | there's also some bug where the server command key thingee stops working |
| 17:04.00 | orchid | also ive noticed shots are bigger out the window, was that changed? like your shot will obsure the view of the enemy shot coming toward you, more so than in 1.7 |
| 17:04.35 | michaelh | You mean GM s ? or regular shots? |
| 17:04.36 | orchid | especially as rabbit, theres a huge halo around the white bullet |
| 17:04.43 | orchid | regular shots |
| 17:04.43 | Nidhoggr | why was ban taken out of server command key thing, and bzfs? |
| 17:04.54 | orchid | ban isnt there? |
| 17:04.58 | orchid | hmm |
| 17:05.01 | bryjen | i donno. i have gotten shot 'cause of that a few times :( |
| 17:05.54 | Nidhoggr | it doesn't fill out the ban info like it used to when you can get ban to show up.. and it's no longer set as f6 in bzadmin |
| 17:06.30 | Chestal | Nidhoggr: the old feature relied onthe client knowing the IPs of all clients |
| 17:06.43 | Chestal | it doesn't in 1.10, it would have to use /playerlist to get at them |
| 17:07.01 | Nidhoggr | hrm |
| 17:07.10 | orchid | i use the 0 + arrow keys to find ban option |
| 17:07.28 | Chestal | I never use that quick admin key, only by accident, too dangerous for me |
| 17:07.39 | orchid | i think they reset it though Chestal |
| 17:07.58 | orchid | after you login as admin, the first o option isnt kick anymore |
| 17:08.05 | bryjen | heh |
| 17:08.07 | orchid | so your safe from me :) |
| 17:09.13 | bryjen | h-e-l-l-o-...Kick Orchid [ENTER] Where'd she go? :) |
| 17:09.23 | orchid | :) |
| 17:09.41 | bryjen | (notice no N to begin chatting) |
| 17:09.48 | orchid | nyeah |
| 17:10.02 | Nidhoggr | then "why can't I see the flags on radar?!" |
| 17:10.03 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 17:10.05 | bryjen | which means i've probly also disappeared my flags |
| 17:10.10 | bryjen | yup :) |
| 17:10.11 | Nidhoggr | hahahahaha |
| 17:10.31 | michaelh | I have a patch that adds ban by name |
| 17:10.50 | michaelh | Which acomplishes the same thing 99% of the time |
| 17:11.08 | michaelh | It moves it serverside more or less |
| 17:13.27 | michaelh | really i think the ban command should have parameters attached to it, there are some many different ways of banning people |
| 17:14.04 | michaelh | ideally really you could ban people by the id# and not the name |
| 17:14.56 | michaelh | I can see everyone is thrilled |
| 17:15.09 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:15.30 | bryjen | it helps that the server now removes untypealbe chars from callsigns, but going by id would make banning somereallylongstupidname easier |
| 17:16.12 | bryjen | ~spell untypeable |
| 17:16.15 | | possible spellings for untypeable: untenable unstoppable untrappable unutterable untellable untypical undroppable intuitable unnoticeable untouchable unportable incapable untraceable |
| 17:16.15 | michaelh | But if you can ban by name, ip, id .. etc.. and put on a reason, etc.. it gets harder and harder to parse |
| 17:17.13 | michaelh | but something like /ban name='fart a fart' ip ='12.2323.23.23' reason='bleh' can be more flexible |
| 17:17.32 | orchid | and much too complex for me to type in :) |
| 17:17.37 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.52 | michaelh | I think that would work |
| 17:18.23 | bryjen | first param tells you what the second one is. the third is always the reason |
| 17:18.48 | michaelh | that could work |
| 17:19.38 | michaelh | does player list show the ids ? |
| 17:19.53 | bryjen | i think so |
| 17:20.56 | bryjen | in brackets before their name |
| 17:32.34 | michaelh | #define CFGMGR (ConfigFileManager::instance()) <-- goofy |
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| 17:40.59 | michaelh | now we have all these DEFINE's all over the palce |
| 17:41.00 | michaelh | place |
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| 17:51.55 | michaelh | does isspace only look for ' '? |
| 17:52.42 | Chestal | no, at least space, tab, cr, lf |
| 17:52.52 | Chestal | probably also some lesser used ascii chars |
| 17:57.51 | Grumbler | yeah, i noticed that the "O" options are a real pain to scroll through now, they have a tendancy to hang up every now and again |
| 17:58.56 | michaelh | as in not respond at all? |
| 17:59.16 | michaelh | or just pause when something is happening in the game |
| 18:04.04 | Tupone | Chestal: still have the big gravity, with a long explosion time? |
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| 18:17.02 | Grumbler | michaelh: sry, got taken away there........not respond for long periods(20-45 seconds) |
| 18:17.24 | Grumbler | could be game related, but i dont remember it ever doing that before |
| 18:20.38 | CIA-5 | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (Player.cxx): pieces from tanks explosion are wiped out when on the ground |
| 18:21.28 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton / purple_cow | scanlime, ether of you guys know how to have an application specify anisotropic texture filtering? |
| 18:34.01 | Patlabor221 | cus all 3d applications need it |
| 18:34.03 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/temp/filter.png |
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| 18:43.00 | Nidhoggr | shkoo put in the -requireIdentify and -rabbitSelection patches in patches. any reason they can't go in cvs? |
| 18:46.39 | Patlabor221 | you just have to wait for learner or mac to wake up and commit them |
| 18:47.06 | Nidhoggr | they'd have to download patch and apply.. and commit. |
| 18:47.50 | Patlabor221 | yeah, but they have to wake up |
| 18:47.55 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:47.57 | Patlabor221 | that's the hard part |
| 18:48.00 | Nidhoggr | saw learner on earlier. |
| 18:50.02 | CIA-5 | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): use zero tolerance define instead of hard-coded constants everywhere |
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| 18:55.24 | orchid | hi RuFiToS |
| 18:55.32 | RuFiToS | hi bzg |
| 18:58.49 | Nidhoggr | I am still getting statedatabase::evaluation warning in compile. |
| 19:00.11 | Nidhoggr | StateDatabase.cxx: In method `float StateDatabase::evaluate |
| 19:00.11 | Nidhoggr | (vector<StateDatabase::ExpressionToken, |
| 19:00.11 | Nidhoggr | allocator<StateDatabase::ExpressionToken> >) const': |
| 19:00.11 | Nidhoggr | StateDatabase.cxx:266: warning: control reaches end of non-void |
| 19:00.11 | Nidhoggr | function |
| 19:01.47 | Tupone | I think you have an old StateDatabase.cxx or is one that is patched? |
| 19:02.25 | Nidhoggr | I am pretty sure that I've rm -rf'd the whole tree recently. |
| 19:02.48 | Tupone | what version you got? HEAD? |
| 19:03.42 | Tupone | there is some stickiness? |
| 19:04.07 | Nidhoggr | my StateDatabase is dated Dec 28 |
| 19:04.30 | Tupone | can you cvs update -A StateDatabase.cxx ? |
| 19:04.32 | Nidhoggr | I just updated to newest cvs this AM |
| 19:06.17 | Nidhoggr | not sure how to do that |
| 19:06.26 | Tupone | or do this "cvs status src/common/StateDatabase.cxx" |
| 19:07.19 | Nidhoggr | File: StateDatabase.cxx Status: Up-to-date |
| 19:07.19 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.19 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.19 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.19 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.21 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.40 | Tupone | what you have at line 266? |
| 19:08.41 | Nidhoggr | is a { |
| 19:09.12 | Tupone | same as mine :) That warning is completely wrong then |
| 19:09.22 | Nidhoggr | how can a warning be wrong? |
| 19:09.38 | shkoo | nid: is this on logos? what's the directory you're compiling in? |
| 19:09.43 | Nidhoggr | tiamat |
| 19:09.52 | Nidhoggr | I should give you login on tiamat. |
| 19:10.10 | Nidhoggr | it's just a warning, not an error. |
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| 19:10.47 | bryjen | better yet, what around line 834 where StateDatabase::evaluate ends? a return statement? |
| 19:11.35 | bryjen | eh, I didnt see line 266 in the error message. n/m |
| 19:12.02 | Tupone | StateDatabase.cxx:266: warning: control reaches end of non-void |
| 19:12.35 | bryjen | yeah. wierd. |
| 19:14.51 | Nidhoggr | brb. food. |
| 19:15.02 | shkoo | nid: what directory? |
| 19:17.54 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.34 | Nidhoggr | tiamat is an old redhat 7.3 machine. |
| 19:21.15 | shkoo | wow, that's really strange. |
| 19:21.36 | Nidhoggr | might be OS bug |
| 19:22.11 | Tupone | gcc bug ? |
| 19:22.35 | Nidhoggr | 2.96 |
| 19:22.49 | shkoo | yes, i suspect compiler bug. |
| 19:22.52 | Nidhoggr | doesn't happen with 3.2 |
| 19:22.55 | shkoo | without -O2 it works fine |
| 19:23.09 | Tupone | so, problem with the template? |
| 19:23.10 | shkoo | but, i guess that also disables some of the control-flow warnings since it doesn't calculate control flow... |
| 19:23.49 | Nidhoggr | I wonder if there is an rpm for newer gcc for redhat 7.3 |
| 19:24.16 | Tupone | I think it was |
| 19:25.49 | shkoo | if you take out the -fno-exceptions it works fine. |
| 19:26.29 | Nidhoggr | wierd |
| 19:27.10 | Nidhoggr | yum doesn't have newer gcc for redhat 7.3 |
| 19:30.09 | Tupone | I didn't find :( |
| 19:30.37 | CIA-5 | 03michaelh20 * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (bzflag.cxx): add "set anonymous 1" to config to be anonymous. This sticks unlike set email "" and it seems more logical |
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| 19:38.03 | shkoo | nid: it's probably easiest to compile statically off of logos. just add "-static" to bzfs_LDFLAGS in src/bzfs/Makefile |
| 19:40.36 | Nidhoggr | okie. |
| 19:40.57 | Nidhoggr | thanks for looking at it for me. :) |
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| 19:43.46 | michaelh | Did my dinky commit go through? |
| 19:43.57 | michaelh | uh oh |
| 19:44.20 | michaelh | if you add "set anonymous 1" it should stick |
| 19:44.59 | Nidhoggr | <CIA-5> michaelh20 * bzflag/src/bzflag (bzflag.cxx): add "set anonymous 1" to |
| 19:45.00 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.00 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.01 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:45.10 | michaelh | thanks |
| 19:45.25 | michaelh | Yet another 1 liner from yours trully |
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| 19:45.41 | michaelh | I suppose I should document it somewhere |
| 19:45.53 | michaelh | naaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 19:46.37 | Grumbler | Does the Gentleman from michaelh have problems with documentation? :) |
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| 19:53.50 | michaelh | does it make any sense to just have a thing under options to set anonymous? |
| 19:53.54 | michaelh | in the menus? |
| 19:54.10 | Nidhoggr | that might help |
| 19:54.22 | Nidhoggr | a good number of people ask about it. |
| 19:54.50 | bryjen | a field where you could type your email address (or whatever) or select anonymous |
| 19:55.08 | bryjen | maybe that's two things tho.. |
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| 19:55.40 | Skipp | hello |
| 19:55.49 | Grumbler | michaelh: yes, it would |
| 19:56.19 | michaelh | do other games ask for peoples email addresses? |
| 19:56.21 | michaelh | ?? |
| 19:56.22 | Grumbler | so long as anonymous was " " nothing, not (anonymous), which is really overkill |
| 19:56.39 | michaelh | it seems to be nothing |
| 19:57.29 | Grumbler | at some point it would be a nice tie in for an IM client for voice communications or something......when infinite bandwidth starts to become more prevalent |
| 19:58.16 | Grumbler | right now, IMHO, it is really bogus |
| 19:58.28 | michaelh | what a shocking statement |
| 19:58.34 | bryjen | many people who don't just turn it off ( with -anonymous) put something else in there anyways. its almost like a sig line |
| 19:58.35 | michaelh | :) |
| 19:58.47 | Grumbler | Thank you to the Gentleman from the east |
| 19:58.57 | michaelh | So should I call it something else? |
| 19:59.06 | creeperz | monkeys swallowed my quarters |
| 19:59.33 | bryjen | i donno. its called email now. |
| 20:00.33 | Grumbler | "Advertizing" |
| 20:01.27 | bryjen | ~spell advertizing |
| 20:01.29 | | possible spellings for advertizing: advertising adverting advertisings adversing advertising's |
| 20:01.41 | bryjen | zing |
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| 20:02.22 | Grumbler | its all about selling the goods, has nothing to do with quality |
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| 20:14.39 | TheDarkSamurai | hi everybody |
| 20:14.52 | orchid | hi TheDarkSamurai |
| 20:15.43 | TheDarkSamurai | ain't seen you on bzflag before orchid |
| 20:15.59 | orchid | bzg |
| 20:16.04 | TheDarkSamurai | ah |
| 20:16.24 | TheDarkSamurai | that would explain quite alot of questions |
| 20:16.59 | TheDarkSamurai | anyone playing on q2? |
| 20:17.15 | orchid | was earlier |
| 20:17.36 | TheDarkSamurai | do you know if carnage has hosted my map yet? |
| 20:17.46 | TheDarkSamurai | its called The Final Castle |
| 20:17.56 | orchid | i didnt know carnage ran a server |
| 20:18.12 | orchid | do you mean Quol? |
| 20:22.44 | shkoo | so, like, what's the difference between doc/man/bzfs.xml and man/bzfs.6s? |
| 20:24.09 | bryjen | eh. |
| 20:26.36 | bryjen | the other .xml files are.... except bzfrelay |
| 20:27.08 | shkoo | they're almost the same, but not quite. i'm guessing that wasn't on purpose. |
| 20:27.39 | bryjen | ~seen learner |
| 20:27.43 | | learner is currently on #project24 #bzflag. Has said a total of 257 messages. Is idling for 4h 39m 36s |
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| 20:33.22 | TheDarkSamurai | hi again |
| 20:36.19 | Grumbler | so said he a few days ago |
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| 21:09.32 | Noodlema1 | grrr, i just can't think of what to do next... |
| 21:09.39 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 21:09.50 | Nidhoggr | how much of it is within your control? |
| 21:10.03 | Noodlema1 | what do you mean? |
| 21:10.19 | Nidhoggr | how much could you fix without other's help? |
| 21:10.45 | Noodlema1 | i could fix the whole thing if i just could figure out what to try next |
| 21:11.01 | Nidhoggr | what's happening? |
| 21:11.29 | Noodlema1 | well, i've got a NIC that is running as an access point, and it works |
| 21:11.49 | Noodlema1 | i've got 2 stations that use it, and they work |
| 21:12.08 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 21:12.39 | Noodlema1 | i'm trying to add another station, but what it looks like is that this station just keeps scanning without finding anything |
| 21:12.55 | Noodlema1 | well, that's what happens in windows 98 |
| 21:13.19 | Noodlema1 | on linux, it finds the right AP, but it sends out a DHCP request that nobody picks up |
| 21:13.39 | Nidhoggr | could it be that the station drivers/software isn't versitile enough to see the WAP without some help? |
| 21:13.49 | Noodlema1 | maybe |
| 21:13.58 | Nidhoggr | especially with 98 :( |
| 21:14.02 | Noodlema1 | heh |
| 21:14.04 | Noodlema1 | yes |
| 21:14.05 | Nidhoggr | what brand? |
| 21:14.09 | Noodlema1 | netgear |
| 21:14.10 | bryjen | have you tried manually giving it an IP and then pinging around? |
| 21:14.21 | Nidhoggr | double click on the netgear icon in the lower right tray |
| 21:14.32 | Noodlema1 | i have used this particular card in an ad-hoc config in the past |
| 21:14.33 | Nidhoggr | it should bring up config |
| 21:14.39 | Noodlema1 | under linux |
| 21:14.45 | Nidhoggr | winders |
| 21:14.45 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:14.46 | Noodlema1 | ok, i'll try it |
| 21:15.32 | Nidhoggr | you have to find the part that looks for the access points, and manually select the one you want, and click apply. |
| 21:16.11 | Nidhoggr | then it should find and use it. |
| 21:16.21 | Nidhoggr | had this problem 2 days ago with a friend's new setup. |
| 21:16.39 | Noodlema1 | it doesn't find any access points |
| 21:16.54 | Nidhoggr | did you have "adhoc" selected in the setup? |
| 21:17.05 | bryjen | is there an ad-hoc/infastructure toggle somewheres? |
| 21:17.09 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 21:17.11 | Noodlema1 | infrastucture is set |
| 21:17.13 | Nidhoggr | should be. |
| 21:17.29 | Noodlema1 | maybe this card is bad? |
| 21:17.34 | Nidhoggr | could be. |
| 21:18.01 | Noodlema1 | last time i used it was before the computer got shipped cross-country |
| 21:18.06 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 21:18.30 | Noodlema1 | last idea |
| 21:18.39 | Noodlema1 | maybe i'll try a different antenna... |
| 21:20.01 | Nidhoggr | :) |
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| 21:23.28 | Noodlema1 | ok, my conclusion is that it's bad |
| 21:23.34 | Noodlema1 | X-P |
| 21:23.44 | Nidhoggr | especially if the other ones are working fien. |
| 21:23.45 | Nidhoggr | fine |
| 21:23.51 | Noodlema1 | yeah |
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| 22:10.42 | googol | bzflag = too addicting = me installs and uninstalls lots and lots of times |
| 22:10.45 | googol | anyway... |
| 22:11.02 | googol | can i use one of them screenshots on my website to promote bzflag, if i wanted to ? |
| 22:12.30 | nikt | ~seen yoyox |
| 22:12.33 | | yoyox <yoyox@koty.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 10d 10h 10m 18s ago, saying: 'bzflag-1.10.2.20031221 -> ./configure --disable-client => config.status: error: cannot find input file: src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.in What? :( Dir is empty.'. |
| 22:12.52 | googol | ~seen googol |
| 22:12.52 | | googol is currently on #bzflag (2m 36s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 22:13.06 | Chestal | googol: I made the 1.7 ones which are on bzflag.org, you can use them |
| 22:13.18 | googol | woo! |
| 22:13.31 | Chestal | it#s easy to make your own in 1.10, at least with current cvs code |
| 22:13.54 | googol | are you talking to me ? |
| 22:14.03 | googol | :no: |
| 22:14.55 | googol | i'm gonna leave |
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| 22:15.20 | Chestal | hmm, that was a 2004er |
| 22:15.49 | Chestal | hi learner |
| 22:20.56 | brlcad | hi Chestal, happy new year |
| 22:21.38 | Chestal | brlcad: same to you, still 38 minutes to go here |
| 22:21.46 | brlcad | yep ;) |
| 22:22.03 | brlcad | still 7 hours and 38 minutes to go here |
| 22:24.00 | Chestal | now it's only 36 minutes :-) |
| 22:24.43 | Chestal | but then, I could use my real local time and ignore the tyranny of time zones |
| 22:25.59 | Chestal | which should give me an additonial 28 minutes or so |
| 22:26.16 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:27.01 | Chestal | on the other hand, I am not quite sure how well UTC is in sync with solar time right now anyway |
| 22:27.07 | Chestal | hmm, this is quite complex after all :-) |
| 22:27.46 | brlcad | :-) |
| 22:27.57 | brlcad | doing anything special? |
| 22:28.17 | Chestal | nope, have just been reading a little, although not as much as I planned to |
| 22:28.46 | brlcad | going to write up some cool new bz mod or get drunk in the channel tonight? :) |
| 22:29.21 | Chestal | I already had some alcohol, not very much, but then I am not used to it so even little of it has some effect on me |
| 22:29.38 | brlcad | it's noticeable, but good :) |
| 22:30.44 | Chestal | are you going to do something tonight? |
| 22:31.27 | Chestal | seems to me that overall significantly less people are only than usual |
| 22:34.05 | brlcad | i volunteered to babysit my godkids whilst my friends go party -- we'll have our own party at my home |
| 22:34.26 | brlcad | dinner with friends in a hour or two also |
| 22:34.39 | Chestal | what age are those kids? |
| 22:35.14 | brlcad | 7, 8, and 9 |
| 22:35.52 | brlcad | they are great fun |
| 22:36.20 | Chestal | I am usually not 'exposed' to kids |
| 22:36.32 | Chestal | so I don't really know if I can handle them well |
| 22:36.38 | brlcad | heh, nor I -- save these three |
| 22:37.39 | Chestal | you can teach them how to play bz :-) |
| 22:37.42 | brlcad | these are great -- old enough to take care of themselves, so if I want to be left alone to code, they can entertain themselves. otherwise, old enough to play games and have fun |
| 22:37.50 | shkoo | ok, i think i got the documentation update right. |
| 22:37.55 | brlcad | hehe, I had them playing bz the last time they were over :) |
| 22:38.00 | brlcad | they loved it |
| 22:38.04 | shkoo | complete with the config file builder and everything. yay! |
| 22:38.31 | brlcad | shkoo: ? |
| 22:39.01 | Chestal | hmm, my ogmtools are confused |
| 22:39.21 | Chestal | 2004 will have a sad start |
| 22:39.30 | shkoo | brlcad: i submitted two patches on sf earlier. i just now updated them to update the documentation instead of just the code. |
| 22:39.39 | Chestal | my keycard won't open the holy doors of the university |
| 22:39.42 | brlcad | ah, cool |
| 22:39.46 | shkoo | still, no one has committed them yet. :) |
| 22:40.15 | Chestal | only the finest of patches ever get commited, that is not to say yours are not, I don't know them :-) |
| 22:40.15 | brlcad | well, with documentation, they are surely to be accepted! hehe |
| 22:40.43 | brlcad | patch id? |
| 22:41.01 | shkoo | 868550 and 868290 |
| 22:41.03 | fiberchunks__ | hooray! happy pre-new years to y'all |
| 22:41.15 | brlcad | happy new years fiber |
| 22:41.22 | brlcad | have you started? |
| 22:41.26 | Chestal | hi fiber, only 18m30s to go here |
| 22:41.32 | fiberchunks | not yet :) but soon |
| 22:41.48 | brlcad | aaah.. rabbit selection |
| 22:41.53 | fiberchunks | ah, well then happy 18m to new years to ya chestal :) |
| 22:42.27 | brlcad | i think chestal's gonna be first to face the new year, anyone else sooner? |
| 22:42.50 | fiberchunks | anyone in asia / australia I imagine -- but none here, I wager |
| 22:43.53 | fiberchunks | brlcad: you're babysitting? blasphemy (but highly righteous, I might add) |
| 22:44.00 | brlcad | hehe |
| 22:44.18 | brlcad | I know.. I didn't feel like going out this year |
| 22:44.24 | fiberchunks | it's only 1730 here EST, and already I've seen a boatload of cops lurking |
| 22:44.49 | brlcad | funny, you're only 14 minutes late, then :) |
| 22:44.57 | brlcad | 15 |
| 22:45.14 | fiberchunks | heh, I never keep my computer time accurate -- keeps me on my toes :) |
| 22:45.25 | fiberchunks | time.nist.gov is a godsend |
| 22:47.50 | brlcad | shkoo: regarding the patch to require callsigns.. any thoughts/plans on adding to the menu system the ability to auto-identify to servers on join? perhaps a menu to set up profiles that get auto-identified when you join if a password was given |
| 22:48.22 | shkoo | that sounds really useful. :) |
| 22:48.23 | brlcad | fiberchunks: aren't you technically babysitting as well? :) |
| 22:49.45 | fiberchunks | not right now -- the gf is watching the rats |
| 22:49.55 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:50.08 | fiberchunks | although we did go to that overpriced hole in the wall chuck E cheeze today :\ |
| 22:50.13 | shkoo | i'm planning on trying to compile bzflag under windows sometime, but for right now i'm only working on server stuff. |
| 22:50.18 | fiberchunks | and drained daddy's wallet :\ |
| 22:50.41 | brlcad | i never said i was going to "watch" them, did I? ;) ha, i was thinking of taking them to the cheeze hole later today too |
| 22:51.22 | fiberchunks | ugh, don't bother -- I keep forgetting what a gyp that place is -- I mean, come on: $50 for 2 pizzas, some drinks and $10 worth of tokens?! that's outlandish |
| 22:51.23 | brlcad | shkoo: server-side is where all the action is ;) |
| 22:51.55 | brlcad | (more than the client, at least) |
| 22:52.11 | brlcad | hehe, true fiber true |
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| 22:52.39 | fiberchunks | oooo, ain't you important ;) |
| 22:52.46 | brlcad | nope |
| 22:52.59 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:53.07 | fiberchunks | ^^ blah. |
| 22:53.12 | brlcad | heh |
| 22:53.25 | fiberchunks | I feel like I'm going to separate a rib with all this damned coughing :\ |
| 22:53.35 | brlcad | eek, you too? |
| 22:53.40 | fiberchunks | any spiffy new year's resolutions? |
| 22:53.48 | fiberchunks | yeah, regrettably -- the whole family |
| 22:54.05 | brlcad | that's no fun -- and you still went out |
| 22:54.14 | fiberchunks | still _am going_ out :) |
| 22:54.21 | brlcad | haha |
| 22:54.21 | fiberchunks | beer waits for no man |
| 22:55.07 | fiberchunks | I think when the clock strikes twelve, and I'm out of butts, I'll quit smoking for mine |
| 22:55.25 | brlcad | Once I get back home with them, and more adult units arrive (the party is finishing at my place too), I'll be tasting the brew |
| 22:55.32 | fiberchunks | good man |
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| 22:55.54 | brlcad | better man you, if you do |
| 22:55.54 | fiberchunks | nice little kegger happenin at my buddies' place |
| 22:56.09 | brlcad | Mmm.. good times |
| 22:56.19 | fiberchunks | I have made a 'fuel injector' just for the occasion ;) |
| 22:56.56 | brlcad | 3 minutes, chestal... |
| 22:57.54 | fiberchunks | ~time |
| 22:57.56 | | well, time is 7:02 |
| 22:58.04 | fiberchunks | ~botsnack |
| 22:58.04 | | aw, gee, fiberchunks |
| 22:58.49 | fiberchunks | wait a minute -- what timezone is ibot in? |
| 22:58.58 | fiberchunks | ~time EST |
| 22:59.31 | brlcad | i would have figured one over like tim |
| 22:59.35 | brlcad | so 5pm |
| 22:59.46 | fiberchunks | isn't time mountain or central? |
| 22:59.51 | fiberchunks | whoops, I mean tim |
| 23:00.26 | bryjen | ~help time |
| 23:00.27 | triclops | use /time |
| 23:00.35 | brlcad | last time i ctcp time'd him, he was only an hour off -- but I would have guessed mountain |
| 23:01.12 | fiberchunks | ~help time |
| 23:01.46 | fiberchunks | yeah, but ibot's off by an hour with respect to EST -- and the wrong way too |
| 23:02.16 | brlcad | must be floating on a boat in the atlantic somewhere |
| 23:02.18 | fiberchunks | should be 1700 tim's time if central, or 1400 if mountain, not 7 pm |
| 23:02.22 | fiberchunks | yeah |
| 23:02.35 | brlcad | or brazil/greenland, maybe |
| 23:02.44 | fiberchunks | wierdness |
| 23:03.01 | brlcad | well, off to din din with the friend kin |
| 23:03.11 | fiberchunks | enjoy - happy new years again |
| 23:03.17 | brlcad | same to you! |
| 23:05.18 | Chestal | I made the leap, hurrah ;-) |
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