| 00:00.40 | larsl | I'm not sure how to specialise on template types, that code worked in GCC but it could eb incorrect. |
| 00:01.13 | learner | any reason for the preference on the template trickery? :) |
| 00:01.13 | larsl | Maybe I should add "typename" somewhere. =) |
| 00:02.20 | larsl | It's nice to be able to do registerVariable("option", var) for all stream-compatible types. |
| 00:02.37 | larsl | But in this case it seems to be a bit tricky. |
| 00:03.07 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@AC995B20.ipt.aol.com) |
| 00:04.04 | learner | ah dangit.. that's not gonna work. Tim reverted the changes that made it work with gcc2 here |
| 00:10.39 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-204.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 00:10.52 | learner | howdy tupone |
| 00:10.57 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: ask tupone about the binding if you need help |
| 00:11.01 | Chikorita | ~weather khgr |
| 00:11.12 | Tupone | learner: how it is going ? |
| 00:11.23 | MrApathyCream | snowing there yet learner? |
| 00:11.33 | learner | nafaik |
| 00:11.48 | MrApathyCream | Chikorita: you a marylander too? |
| 00:12.29 | Chikorita | MrApathyCream: ya |
| 00:12.29 | MrApathyCream | w00t |
| 00:12.29 | MrApathyCream | center of the bzuniverse |
| 00:12.29 | Chikorita | itz snowin here |
| 00:12.29 | Chikorita | MrApathyCream: heh ;) |
| 00:12.30 | larsl | MrApathyCream: Do you have VC6? It looks like that version doesn't support partial specialization. |
| 00:12.33 | MrApathyCream | nuttin |
| 00:12.37 | learner | tupone: still ill, but the orange dayquil pills keep me from getting lost in the rabbit hole |
| 00:12.38 | Chikorita | gonna snow for da next few days i heard |
| 00:12.41 | MrApathyCream | larsl: vc6 yes |
| 00:12.45 | larsl | Argh. |
| 00:12.52 | MrApathyCream | there are some that have vc5 :) |
| 00:13.08 | Tupone | lol |
| 00:13.27 | larsl | I suppose I can rewrite the vector parser as a separate template class, so there only will be one level of templatisation. =) |
| 00:13.34 | learner | uh oh.. irix compiler is not happy with many recent changes |
| 00:13.43 | MrApathyCream | larsl that would be nice |
| 00:21.15 | CIA-4 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/OptionParser.h: VC6 doesn't like partial template specialization, avoid it by making the VectorParser a separate template class and not a specialization of VariableParser |
| 00:21.22 | MrApathyCream | w00t! |
| 00:22.14 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/TextUtils.h: char is not necessarily signed |
| 00:23.55 | larsl | ~spell templatisation |
| 00:23.58 | | possible spellings for templatisation: temptation depolarization democratization demoralization demonetization Templeton templates demilitarization |
| 00:25.31 | MrApathyCream | closer... |
| 00:25.32 | MrApathyCream | Z:\bz\bz_cvs\bzflag\src\bzadmin\bzadmin.cxx(82) : error C2667: 'registerVariable' : none of 2 overload have a best conversion |
| 00:25.32 | MrApathyCream | Z:\bz\bz_cvs\bzflag\src\bzadmin\bzadmin.cxx(82) : error C2668: 'registerVariable' : ambiguous call to overloaded function |
| 00:25.32 | MrApathyCream | Z:\bz\bz_cvs\bzflag\src\bzadmin\bzadmin.cxx(84) : error C2667: 'registerVariable' : none of 2 overload have a best conversion |
| 00:25.33 | MrApathyCream | Z:\bz\bz_cvs\bzflag\src\bzadmin\bzadmin.cxx(84) : error C2668: 'registerVariable' : ambiguous call to overloaded function |
| 00:25.43 | MrApathyCream | i think the case from char * to std::string & is failing |
| 00:25.48 | MrApathyCream | cast |
| 00:25.49 | larsl | Bastards. |
| 00:26.25 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 00:27.10 | larsl | Looks like it can't tell whether vector<string> fits best to a vector<T> or just a T. |
| 00:27.19 | MrApathyCream | mmm perhaps |
| 00:31.56 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (9 files in 4 dirs): irix compiler sees the singleton initializations as specializations, so we comply |
| 00:35.59 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (include/Team.h src/common/Team.cxx): a const type qualifier on a bool return type is meaningless |
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| 00:42.55 | CIA-4 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/ (OptionParser.h bzadmin.cxx): Rename one registerVariable() to registerVector() to avoid ambiguous overloading |
| 00:43.06 | Grumbler | sleet here |
| 00:43.08 | larsl | ~spell ambiguous |
| 00:43.10 | | 'ambiguous' may be spelled correctly |
| 00:43.11 | Grumbler | ...lots of sleet |
| 00:45.14 | learner | hrm.. looks like windows client isn't finding the badwords file properly |
| 00:45.32 | learner | mac, doy you have to double \\ espace backslashes in the config file? |
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| 00:54.43 | larsl | MrApathyCream: Does the code compile now? |
| 01:01.49 | MrApathyCream | checking |
| 01:02.10 | MrApathyCream | learner: what? |
| 01:03.11 | learner | never mind, I think I found the problem -- but my question is whether or not you'd need to escape a filename in the config file if it were to be set to a bzdb var |
| 01:03.16 | MrApathyCream | it snowing! |
| 01:03.40 | MrApathyCream | it compiles, larsl! thanks |
| 01:04.06 | MrApathyCream | now we can cut the release :) |
| 01:04.48 | MrApathyCream | if a path is in the config file you don't need to escape it |
| 01:05.23 | CIA-4 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (LocalPlayer.cxx RobotPlayer.cxx): Robotlayer shoot with LocalPlayer weapons |
| 01:06.00 | MrApathyCream | wow! |
| 01:06.08 | larsl | What does that mean? |
| 01:06.12 | Tupone | forget a P :( |
| 01:06.29 | MrApathyCream | larsl, robots can pick up flags, i guess |
| 01:06.35 | Tupone | no |
| 01:06.40 | MrApathyCream | oh |
| 01:06.43 | Tupone | only a simple thing |
| 01:06.52 | Tupone | RobotPlayer does not know how to shoot |
| 01:07.10 | Tupone | just use Locallayer routine (weapon :) ) |
| 01:07.23 | MrApathyCream | ah, heh, ok |
| 01:07.39 | larsl | RobotPlayer inherits LocalPlayer, right? |
| 01:07.45 | Tupone | so don't need anymore to fix here and there |
| 01:07.50 | Tupone | now yes |
| 01:07.53 | larsl | Nice. |
| 01:08.00 | MrApathyCream | gotcha |
| 01:08.28 | Tupone | now its about 300 lines |
| 01:08.40 | MrApathyCream | cool |
| 01:09.28 | Tupone | are we going to release this night? |
| 01:10.06 | MrApathyCream | ask learner :) |
| 01:10.22 | Tupone | learner: how near from a release? |
| 01:10.28 | learner | sounds good to me! |
| 01:10.37 | *** join/#bzflag your_dog (~jake@216-24-109-225.access.naxs.com) |
| 01:10.59 | MrApathyCream | has jeff shown up? |
| 01:11.34 | learner | jeff has not, I'm thinking he got tied up with work nastiness |
| 01:11.46 | MrApathyCream | on saturday? |
| 01:11.57 | learner | yeah |
| 01:12.04 | learner | but who knows |
| 01:12.27 | Tupone | learner: this will be the last 1.10 release ... apart bugs and omissions? |
| 01:12.52 | learner | i imagine we'll still have at least a 1.10.6 eventually, but we can move head to new development |
| 01:13.15 | learner | hehe |
| 01:13.30 | larsl | All the new graphics stuff can go in 1.10 as well as 1.12, most of it probably doesn't break network compatibility. |
| 01:13.39 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 01:13.57 | Tupone | but I prefer not doing a lot of work in both branches |
| 01:14.05 | Tupone | cvs does not handle very well |
| 01:15.12 | learner | it'll definately have a lot less activity than head, if we make a maintenance branch for 1.10. So it shouldn't be too bad. |
| 01:15.41 | MrApathyCream | yah |
| 01:17.15 | Tupone | the name, we need a name! |
| 01:17.29 | Blue_Beard | A name for what? :) |
| 01:17.44 | larsl | Yes! We haven't had codenames for the last two releases. |
| 01:17.49 | learner | i thought we weren't naming patch releases :) |
| 01:18.03 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: delete l10n dir on uninstall |
| 01:18.05 | *** join/#bzflag menotume (~menotume@pcp08377888pcs.cnclrk01.pa.comcast.net) |
| 01:18.07 | Tupone | even 1.7g2 has been named |
| 01:18.11 | larsl | BZFlag 1.7g2 "Steely Eyed Banana" (was 1.7g1) |
| 01:19.36 | Tupone | walk on mars |
| 01:19.42 | Blue_Beard | Knock on wood. |
| 01:19.43 | Blue_Beard | ;) |
| 01:19.44 | scanline | BZFlag 1.10.4 "The calm before the doomy banana cream texturestorm" |
| 01:20.50 | MrApathyCream | a winner |
| 01:20.52 | learner | "just a simple patch release" |
| 01:21.00 | larsl | Haha. =) |
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| 01:22.43 | MrApathyCream | So what are the things we need to do before release? |
| 01:22.56 | Tupone | All code is commited to CVS |
| 01:23.01 | learner | there's a list in DEVINFO |
| 01:23.11 | Tupone | ChangeLog |
| 01:23.20 | Tupone | Version numbers |
| 01:23.23 | learner | so, are we going to name? |
| 01:23.28 | scanline | BZFlag 1.10.4 "Prosthetic Forehead" |
| 01:25.28 | Blue_Beard | Ugh.. food... cursed stuff. |
| 01:26.04 | Blue_Beard | No more brownies for me.. at least not for a few days. :) |
| 01:26.32 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/DEVINFO: more steps |
| 01:26.36 | learner | Does anyone have any code that they care to commit still? |
| 01:26.49 | learner | speak up now/soon |
| 01:27.13 | larsl | I have some manpage updates, writing them now. |
| 01:27.13 | learner | k |
| 01:28.03 | MrApathyCream | well jeff said he wanted to check one last thang in |
| 01:28.43 | learner | you want to wait? |
| 01:29.01 | learner | i'd just as rather put that in 1.10.6 or 1.11 |
| 01:29.20 | learner | unless he shows up in the next half hour :) |
| 01:30.12 | MrApathyCream | lets wait and see |
| 01:30.22 | MrApathyCream | DTRemenak: more problems? |
| 01:30.35 | DTRemenak | ya, same as last time: typedef referring to a nested class |
| 01:30.41 | MrApathyCream | where now? |
| 01:30.47 | DTRemenak | hudrenderer |
| 01:30.51 | Noodleman | DTRemenak: <message type="subliminal">kazaa</message> |
| 01:31.22 | Blue_Beard | They have KaZaA for 56k? That should be illegal. |
| 01:31.22 | learner | okay, so we can test some more and wait for the patlabor to return |
| 01:31.23 | Blue_Beard | Errr... |
| 01:31.24 | Blue_Beard | ;) |
| 01:31.32 | Noodleman | haha |
| 01:31.48 | Noodleman | i've created a monster |
| 01:31.53 | Noodleman | i'm so full of guilt |
| 01:31.57 | DTRemenak | or is it desired that I keep fixing it/working around vc5? |
| 01:31.58 | Noodleman | i told pyrobunny about organic root beer, and how good it is |
| 01:32.04 | Noodleman | so he goes and buys a whole bunch of it and drinks it all at once |
| 01:32.09 | Noodleman | now he's got a hangover, and is addicted |
| 01:32.12 | Noodleman | he's broke |
| 01:32.14 | Noodleman | and he's a user ;-) |
| 01:32.20 | MrApathyCream | ah MarkerList? |
| 01:32.27 | Blue_Beard | Noodleman- ;) |
| 01:32.27 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 01:32.31 | Blue_Beard | >:) |
| 01:32.33 | MrApathyCream | go ahead and fix |
| 01:32.43 | DTRemenak | if you unnest marker from hudrenderer it works |
| 01:32.57 | MrApathyCream | want me too? |
| 01:33.05 | Noodleman | the consequences of my actions weigh heavily upon me |
| 01:33.22 | DTRemenak | I can, and post as patch |
| 01:33.24 | Blue_Beard | So.. who's pyrobunny? |
| 01:33.33 | Noodleman | he's one of my teamies |
| 01:33.38 | Blue_Beard | Ahhh. |
| 01:33.42 | Blue_Beard | Oh well.. :) |
| 01:33.47 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: may I have CVS access? |
| 01:33.49 | MrApathyCream | dt no need, i'll just fix |
| 01:33.58 | DTRemenak | k |
| 01:34.01 | MrApathyCream | DTRemenak: captain_proton can give it to you too |
| 01:34.46 | DTRemenak | seems like someone breaks vc5 every few weeks |
| 01:34.50 | DTRemenak | maybe every week :) |
| 01:35.44 | learner | http://sourceforge.net/projects/dev-cpp/ |
| 01:35.53 | larsl | It can't handle nested classes at all? |
| 01:35.54 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.h: make vc5 happy again |
| 01:36.09 | MrApathyCream | nested templated classes |
| 01:36.17 | larsl | Ah. |
| 01:36.40 | MrApathyCream | DT maybe you can get a student version |
| 01:36.51 | DTRemenak | mm, possibility |
| 01:36.51 | MrApathyCream | cheap just doesn't have distributable dlls etc |
| 01:37.17 | DTRemenak | learner: I have been unable to get dev-cpp to link bzflag |
| 01:37.29 | CIA-4 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/man/bzadmin.6s: Document the bzadmin menu |
| 01:37.32 | DTRemenak | win98 has a limitation on the length of a commandline |
| 01:38.03 | larsl | Rename all the object files to 1.o, 2.o, ... =) |
| 01:38.19 | MrApathyCream | he |
| 01:39.00 | DTRemenak | lol |
| 01:39.15 | DTRemenak | but that would go up to what, 10203.o? |
| 01:39.40 | larsl | Since we're not releasing in the next 30 minutes, I'll add some small cosmetic changes to bzadmin. |
| 01:40.39 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 01:41.09 | your_dog | are DB or Carnage |
| 01:41.26 | your_dog | here? |
| 01:41.38 | MrApathyCream | larsl: ok |
| 01:42.27 | larsl | your_dog: Thanks for the pointers to getbegyx and getmaxyx, that was exactly what I was looking for. |
| 01:46.17 | learner | any more good ideas for a release name? something to the effect of "damn, this is a patch?!" |
| 01:46.54 | Tupone | nothing in the name about the good texture |
| 01:47.11 | scanline | hmm yep.. |
| 01:47.25 | scanline | JPEG would definitely be nice for this animated teleporter thing |
| 01:47.37 | scanline | the same teleporter texture which is about a 4k JPEG is a 25k PNG |
| 01:49.58 | CIA-4 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/ (CursesMenu.cxx CursesMenu.h CursesUI.cxx): Add menu header |
| 01:50.17 | MrApathyCream | Patch Smatch |
| 01:51.07 | learner | 25k is still _tiny_ |
| 01:53.02 | Blue_Beard | Every little bit counts. ;) |
| 01:56.32 | scanline | learner: there are 32 of these textures |
| 01:56.40 | scanline | so it's the difference between around 150k and 800k |
| 01:57.06 | Blue_Beard | Shall I say it again for emphasis? ;) |
| 01:57.44 | scanline | 'course if you folks would rather have 800k more in the data directory than JPEG support, that works too |
| 01:59.52 | learner | works for me :) |
| 02:00.07 | learner | but I don't care really :) |
| 02:00.08 | Blue_Beard | Consider the poor dialup users. ;) |
| 02:00.43 | Blue_Beard | Callsign shuffle? |
| 02:01.12 | Grumbler | Blue_Beard, stop chatting and work on the map :) |
| 02:01.13 | MrApathyCream | Blue_Beard cares about me |
| 02:02.10 | TaskMasterGrumbl | dang....what could that be |
| 02:03.03 | Blue_Beard | Ack!! Map! Didn't really remember that until now.. whoops. :) |
| 02:03.23 | Blue_Beard | Time for some alterations. But it'll hafta wait a minute.. I'm chatting, working out, and changing.. at once. |
| 02:03.30 | Blue_Beard | Oh.. he left. |
| 02:03.38 | Blue_Nose | :) |
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| 02:03.56 | Blue_Nose | MrApathyCream: What exactly did you mean by that? |
| 02:03.56 | Blue_Nose | LoL |
| 02:07.02 | MrApathyCream | <Blue_Beard> Consider the poor dialup users. ;) |
| 02:07.14 | Blue_Nose | Ohh.. you use dialup? :) |
| 02:07.45 | MrApathyCream | yuppers |
| 02:08.05 | Nidhoggr | more EOF errors from SF |
| 02:08.09 | Blue_Beard | Ic Ic. I never knew that.. :) |
| 02:10.08 | Tupone | MrApathyCream: do you mind if I remove mouse warping at restart when autopilot? |
| 02:10.23 | MrApathyCream | mouse warping? |
| 02:10.33 | Tupone | mouse at center every restart |
| 02:10.47 | MrApathyCream | i guess thats ok |
| 02:10.49 | MrApathyCream | why? |
| 02:11.09 | Tupone | when you have autopilot, posisbly you are doing other things |
| 02:11.13 | Tupone | with mouse |
| 02:11.39 | Tupone | when your pilot dies, you have to remove the mouse back |
| 02:11.41 | MrApathyCream | thats fine |
| 02:11.59 | Tupone | thats fine what? I can do? |
| 02:12.36 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 02:12.42 | Tupone | ok |
| 02:14.47 | CIA-4 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/CursesMenu.cxx: Show score/wins/losses/tks in the playerlist submenu |
| 02:15.08 | larsl | Tupone: You know it's 3:15 AM, right? =) |
| 02:15.10 | larsl | Good night. |
| 02:15.14 | Tupone | yeah |
| 02:24.05 | SportChick | ooo I just had a kick problem |
| 02:24.09 | SportChick | on secretplace |
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| 02:24.19 | MrApathyCream | got voted off? |
| 02:24.26 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 02:24.35 | SportChick | apparently you cannot kick someone who has a name with multiple words and that contains a quotation mark |
| 02:24.41 | SportChick | not ME silly |
| 02:25.04 | MrApathyCream | who's this distain fella, new boyfriend? |
| 02:25.16 | learner | heh |
| 02:25.26 | SportChick | hehe |
| 02:25.30 | MrApathyCream | name with quote. probably should be disallowed |
| 02:25.30 | michaelhhh | -- /kick "blah blah" |
| 02:25.42 | SportChick | I agree. is that a server function or what? |
| 02:25.50 | CIA-4 | wibble |
| 02:25.53 | learner | SportChick: you could have ban'd the ip for just a second |
| 02:25.59 | MrApathyCream | server function |
| 02:26.03 | SportChick | that's actually what I did |
| 02:26.09 | SportChick | but we SHOULD Be able to kick |
| 02:26.20 | michaelhhh | you have to escape the " |
| 02:26.30 | michaelhhh | it's either \" |
| 02:26.32 | michaelhhh | or /" |
| 02:26.36 | michaelhhh | I forget |
| 02:26.42 | michaelhhh | if the name has one in it |
| 02:26.43 | SportChick | the problem is the name was blah blah (with a blah "blah") |
| 02:26.44 | learner | \ |
| 02:27.06 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.07 | michaelhhh | -- /kick "blah \"blah\"" |
| 02:27.18 | SportChick | so whenI typed the kick function, it stopped recognizing the name at the first " after the beginning fo the name |
| 02:27.47 | SportChick | now he is back and there are even more quotations in his name |
| 02:27.58 | SportChick | although I don't need to kick him again at the moment |
| 02:28.34 | michaelhhh | what a jerk.. we should just ban "s |
| 02:28.53 | michaelhhh | if you use the server command line it should escape them properly |
| 02:29.06 | michaelhhh | I forget if it's O or whatever |
| 02:29.12 | SportChick | so, I'm trying to understand...for example if a name is SportChick (with a capital "S"), how would I type it to kick? |
| 02:29.22 | SportChick | I can't use an o function in bzadmin |
| 02:29.28 | michaelhhh | oops |
| 02:29.30 | michaelhhh | heh |
| 02:29.40 | michaelhhh | -- /kick SportChick |
| 02:29.46 | michaelhhh | or -- /kick "SportChick" |
| 02:30.11 | SportChick | even though there is more to the name than that? the name is 'SportChick (with a capital "S")' |
| 02:30.14 | michaelhhh | I haven't put that kind of parsing into anything else though |
| 02:30.28 | CIA-4 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: mouse is not recentered at restart when autopilot is active |
| 02:30.28 | SportChick | I tried the kick command and it didn't recognize the partial name |
| 02:30.38 | SportChick | I'm running this morning's compile, I think |
| 02:30.41 | michaelhhh | eh.. why should it |
| 02:30.59 | SportChick | why should it what? |
| 02:30.59 | michaelhhh | you mean.. just the first few matching letters or so? |
| 02:31.10 | michaelhhh | what do yo mean by partial |
| 02:31.32 | michaelhhh | you mean upper case vs. lower case? |
| 02:31.33 | SportChick | well, no..I typed in the entire name, but it stopped at the first quotation mark that was IN the name. But it said there was no such player |
| 02:31.35 | SportChick | no |
| 02:31.40 | SportChick | quotation marks |
| 02:31.54 | SportChick | let me give you a different example, since mine seems to be causing confusino |
| 02:31.55 | michaelhhh | You have to escape quotes that are not the ending quotes |
| 02:32.04 | SportChick | 'SportChick (who isn't "here")' |
| 02:32.08 | SportChick | that's the name |
| 02:32.12 | SportChick | so, how would I kick |
| 02:32.12 | Tupone | completation does not work? |
| 02:32.15 | michaelhhh | that's the email address |
| 02:32.22 | michaelhhh | (email address) |
| 02:32.33 | michaelhhh | it's just sportchick in that case |
| 02:32.38 | SportChick | no, email addresses do not show up in bzadmin |
| 02:32.48 | michaelhhh | I wouldn't know |
| 02:32.50 | SportChick | I can't SEE email addresses...it's part of his name |
| 02:33.02 | michaelhhh | someone else who knows bzadmin? |
| 02:33.07 | CIA-4 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/Makefile.am: Add colors.h to the sources in Makefile.am |
| 02:33.14 | michaelhhh | he put parentheses in as well? |
| 02:33.18 | SportChick | MrApathyCream or learner, do you know the answer to this? |
| 02:33.25 | SportChick | yes, he had both parenthesis AND quotations |
| 02:33.33 | MrApathyCream | no idea |
| 02:33.42 | michaelhhh | I would just ban the guy for being annoying |
| 02:33.44 | michaelhhh | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.47 | MrApathyCream | we should remove ' and " as valid chars for names |
| 02:33.53 | SportChick | let's say I WASN'T in bzadmin, how would I do it? |
| 02:33.58 | SportChick | I agree, MAC |
| 02:34.12 | Nidhoggr | anyone that goes out of their way to make it hard to kick them needs a ban. |
| 02:34.20 | michaelhhh | I think it's the O key |
| 02:34.33 | michaelhhh | but you'll have to scroll through all the commands to find the kick one |
| 02:34.45 | michaelhhh | all it does is format the name correctly and send it to the server |
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| 02:35.47 | SportChick | Nid, do you think he KNEW he was hard to kick |
| 02:36.17 | SportChick | hubby just mentioned another issue with names...if a player has a really really long name, you can't see what flag they have |
| 02:36.31 | michaelhhh | lol |
| 02:36.32 | Nidhoggr | probably |
| 02:36.56 | michaelhhh | Same with email too |
| 02:37.11 | michaelhhh | and you can have 255 characters in the email field :) perhaps that could be changed |
| 02:37.44 | SportChick | some people do it on purpose...even will put a lot of spaces after their name to make the flag disappear |
| 02:38.06 | michaelhhh | or they do it to be funny |
| 02:38.40 | MrApathyCream | trailing spaces are sposed to be stripped |
| 02:39.12 | michaelhhh | and if they put 100 spaces and one character? |
| 02:39.36 | michaelhhh | just curious |
| 02:39.53 | SportChick | that maybe what they do |
| 02:39.53 | SportChick | dunno |
| 02:40.02 | SportChick | either way, if it's too long, you can't see the flag |
| 02:40.47 | learner | MrAC, do you know who/why the slash between the player name and flag was removed? |
| 02:41.06 | michaelhhh | it seems to dissapear and reappear at various moments |
| 02:41.27 | michaelhhh | like the waxing and waning of the moon |
| 02:41.50 | MrApathyCream | SportChick: first prob fixed |
| 02:41.54 | MrApathyCream | learner: no |
| 02:42.19 | MrApathyCream | the interesting thing is that the player doesn't know you stripped the characters :) |
| 02:42.46 | CIA-4 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: disallow \' and " in callsigns |
| 02:43.10 | SportChick | thanks Mac! appreciated |
| 02:44.09 | MrApathyCream | np |
| 02:44.43 | michaelhhh | because they always see their version.. |
| 02:45.01 | michaelhhh | So does it now allow those players to connect or it just strips them? |
| 02:45.13 | michaelhhh | not |
| 02:45.49 | michaelhhh | I vote it should say "You are an obnoxious twit and theorfore your connection has failed" |
| 02:46.06 | michaelhhh | instead of "error connecting to server" |
| 02:46.53 | MrApathyCream | they connect, and it strips them behind their backs. |
| 02:47.02 | MrApathyCream | but in their hud, they still have the quotes |
| 02:47.03 | MrApathyCream | :) |
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| 02:47.23 | MrApathyCream | Hey, it's MrSportChick |
| 02:48.15 | MrApathyCream | oofa |
| 02:48.25 | mozul | soon ill make a name for myself. |
| 02:48.35 | MrApathyCream | isn't that enough, really? |
| 02:48.53 | mozul | It is good, but I do want to be my own man. |
| 02:49.09 | MrApathyCream | hahahahaaha |
| 02:49.12 | MrApathyCream | thats a good one |
| 02:50.07 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: added you to sf project. welcome aboard! |
| 02:50.18 | DTRemenak | thanks! :) |
| 02:50.21 | MrApathyCream | yay for DTRemenak |
| 02:50.39 | MrApathyCream | bless you |
| 02:50.49 | MrApathyCream | you prolly still almost like eachother and all... |
| 02:51.05 | learner | hehe |
| 02:51.49 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 02:51.58 | MrApathyCream | lemon squares gone yet? |
| 02:52.05 | SportChick | not yet |
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| 02:54.57 | scanline | yay |
| 02:56.27 | MrApathyCream | FIST!! |
| 02:57.55 | MrApathyCream | hello sailor |
| 02:58.05 | michaelhhh | ew |
| 02:58.30 | Blue_Beard | A lil' too much male bonding in here. :P |
| 02:58.30 | captain_proton | learner: did you still want an mpeg of that dealybob? |
| 02:58.36 | learner | sure |
| 03:00.44 | MrApathyCream | i saw him behind that polyester suite a couple of hours ago |
| 03:02.49 | Blue_Beard | Umm... how do I remove my mail line in the config file now? |
| 03:02.57 | Blue_Beard | I'm not used to all of this "set _________" stuff. |
| 03:03.10 | SportChick | now there are fewer lemon squares left, MAC...down to 5 |
| 03:03.15 | MrApathyCream | awww |
| 03:03.23 | MrApathyCream | and they're all the corner pieces too |
| 03:03.46 | MrApathyCream | set email |
| 03:03.47 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 03:04.08 | captain_proton | there we go |
| 03:04.11 | Blue_Beard | I thought so.. but I unno. |
| 03:04.20 | Blue_Beard | Seems like nothing's ever set up how I think it should be. :) |
| 03:04.21 | captain_proton | http://navi.cx/~jupiter/snapshot00.m2v |
| 03:04.24 | Blue_Beard | Brb.. I'll try it. |
| 03:05.12 | Blue_Beard | Yep.. that works, MrApathyCream. :) |
| 03:05.44 | MrApathyCream | coo |
| 03:09.29 | MrApathyCream | classfactory can not supply class: EEk the fist is using java |
| 03:16.09 | TimRiker | hmm. Sure enough scores show in bzadmin now, but IPs don't. |
| 03:17.47 | SportChick | in which version of bzadmin? |
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| 03:21.56 | learner | oof! |
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| 03:24.35 | Blue_Beard | Okay... so... no offense to the dev's whatsoever... but what's the difference in the new client? |
| 03:24.51 | Blue_Beard | I see that observer is a "team" now... umm.. the hunt function is cool.... ? |
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| 03:25.18 | SportChick | oh, did they put up new software? on public site? |
| 03:25.49 | Blue_Beard | SportChick: Nope. I just downloaded the last release.. I haven't played BZ in three months. LoL |
| 03:26.37 | SportChick | oh...ok |
| 03:26.47 | SportChick | you had me all excited that 1.10.4 might beout |
| 03:26.54 | SportChick | I'm playing on a compile from this morning |
| 03:27.19 | Blue_Beard | Ahhhhh. :) Sorry to get your hopes up.. hehe. |
| 03:27.22 | Blue_Beard | Bbs. |
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| 04:07.36 | SportChick | still no sign of Pat? |
| 04:13.06 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/mediafile/PNGImageFile.cxx: quell sgi irix compiler warning |
| 04:20.07 | learner | no sign :( |
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| 04:28.43 | HoMo-Phobe | hello |
| 04:29.27 | Adam | awww comon someone has to be alive.... |
| 04:29.51 | GuidedMonkey | ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz |
| 04:29.59 | Adam | hey |
| 04:30.06 | learner | no lives here |
| 04:30.13 | Adam | do you have the bzedit 1.6? |
| 04:30.26 | Adam | the link is down and i need it badly |
| 04:30.38 | learner | bzedit is in cvs |
| 04:30.43 | Adam | if anyone has a link or could dcc it... |
| 04:30.48 | Adam | cvs? |
| 04:31.02 | Adam | could u provide a link or a explantion |
| 04:31.09 | GuidedMonkey | bzflag.sf.net |
| 04:31.22 | GuidedMonkey | click the link that talks about access to the CVS repository |
| 04:31.31 | Adam | k |
| 04:31.57 | learner | ~bzedit |
| 04:31.58 | | hmm... bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 04:32.03 | Adam | oh ok |
| 04:32.09 | GuidedMonkey | http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=3248 |
| 04:32.33 | GuidedMonkey | or use those links ibot posted ;) |
| 04:32.39 | GuidedMonkey | ibot: botsnack |
| 04:32.39 | | GuidedMonkey: aw, gee |
| 04:32.57 | GuidedMonkey | but, using CVS, you can live on the bleeding edge |
| 04:34.07 | Adam | the cvs respitor hass only linux links |
| 04:34.16 | Adam | and im no pro w/ linux |
| 04:34.47 | Adam | this link dosent work... >>>>>http://www.artemisgames.com/BZEdit/#download |
| 04:35.22 | learner | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzeditw32/ is not for linux |
| 04:35.28 | learner | can you compile? |
| 04:37.06 | Blue_Beard | Wow. |
| 04:37.06 | learner | oh well |
| 04:37.08 | Blue_Beard | LoL |
| 04:37.08 | Blue_Beard | Look what ya did, learner. ;) |
| 04:38.19 | learner | bye bye zelazny |
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| 04:38.22 | Blue_Beard | And welcome back. LoL |
| 04:38.22 | DTRemenak | Adam: http://www.bakadigital.com/BZ/edit/BZE_1.6.1_Installer.exe |
| 04:38.22 | Blue_Beard | Err.. baka is down right now DTR. |
| 04:38.22 | DTRemenak | eh |
| 04:38.22 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:38.22 | Blue_Beard | It's been down for a day or two.. at least. |
| 04:38.22 | Adam | no i cant compile sorry i was afk |
| 04:38.22 | Blue_Beard | I guess it has something to do with Patlabor's net troubles. |
| 04:38.22 | Adam | can anyone DCC it to me? |
| 04:38.48 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.h: const type qualifier on return type is meaningless |
| 04:39.05 | Adam | :( |
| 04:39.31 | learner | i have a copy somewhere, I'll see if I can dig it up |
| 04:39.43 | Adam | thanks |
| 04:40.37 | learner | i make no promise ;) |
| 04:40.46 | Adam | ya i know |
| 04:45.37 | Adam | so any luck? |
| 04:47.53 | learner | nope, just finished looking |
| 04:47.57 | learner | dunno where i put it |
| 04:48.03 | Adam | damn.... |
| 04:48.24 | Adam | u on linux |
| 04:48.35 | learner | no, i'm on os x |
| 04:48.49 | Adam | mac :\ |
| 04:49.07 | Adam | that explanes why i couldent netBIOS you.... |
| 04:49.48 | Adam | i cant wait to get my hands on PHLAK.... |
| 04:49.59 | Adam | u hear of it? |
| 04:50.03 | learner | nope |
| 04:50.14 | Adam | no? :\ |
| 04:50.28 | Adam | pro hacker linux attack kit |
| 04:50.40 | Adam | its the god of linux distros |
| 04:51.10 | Adam | it runs off a cd so i can go and hack form a internet cafe and run away once im done... |
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| 04:56.23 | Adam | is there any outher place where map makers meet that i could get it from? |
| 04:56.23 | SportChick | Chestal, any luck with your network guy, or is the mail server still down? |
| 04:56.23 | learner | adam, not likely |
| 04:56.23 | learner | just have to wait |
| 04:56.23 | learner | or figure out how to compile :) |
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| 04:57.01 | Adam | awwww could u compial it for me? |
| 04:57.01 | Adam | cuz i would compile but it would take me like a 2 day period to dl the compialer itself |
| 04:57.37 | learner | uh, sorry no |
| 04:57.37 | purple_cow | i hope you're not talking about downloading visual C++ |
| 04:58.03 | Adam | no.... im talking about borland c++ or similar |
| 04:58.24 | Adam | or just a c++ compialer but all that in impossiblt on a 28.8 kbps modem |
| 04:58.42 | learner | but a l33t hacker as yourself surely dives into and compiles code already, no? |
| 04:58.59 | Adam | lol im not l33t |
| 04:59.08 | Adam | more of a learner |
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| 04:59.42 | Adam | but i have gotten caught/charged before so dose that count? :P |
| 04:59.51 | learner | midnight mac |
| 04:59.53 | DTRemenak | it's MFC based, you'll have a bit of trouble w/o msvc |
| 05:00.06 | Adam | os it in C++? |
| 05:00.10 | Adam | oh |
| 05:00.15 | creeperz | umm |
| 05:00.31 | Noodleman | found a bug in 1.10.2 where if you /set _gravity *, then jump, the server segfaults |
| 05:00.36 | creeperz | when your admin in a server and you type "/set _something *" it bugs out |
| 05:00.42 | Noodleman | has someone already found that yet? |
| 05:00.45 | purple_cow | hmm, *? |
| 05:00.55 | learner | Noodle a real "*" or anything |
| 05:00.55 | purple_cow | Noodleman: can you try latest CVS? if not, file a bug report |
| 05:01.05 | Noodleman | ok, i'll do just that |
| 05:01.23 | creeperz | yippee |
| 05:01.29 | DTRemenak | heh, bzedit doesn't even compile on vc5 |
| 05:01.30 | creeperz | see yu on ye olde server |
| 05:01.35 | Noodleman | ok |
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| 05:06.24 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: irix finds unused var |
| 05:08.00 | Blue_Beard | Is there a Quol admin here??? |
| 05:08.00 | Blue_Beard | Please? |
| 05:08.23 | Blue_Beard | There's a cheater on Quol's CTF server.. he even admits to it. He can turn invincibility on and off. :( |
| 05:08.39 | creeperz | knightmare |
| 05:08.44 | Blue_Beard | Yep. |
| 05:08.46 | creeperz | and he's not invincible |
| 05:08.54 | creeperz | he can fly too |
| 05:09.06 | Blue_Beard | He gave out the address http://www.knightmare.webhop.com or something. |
| 05:09.08 | creeperz | and just type "cl" and spawn a cloaking flag |
| 05:09.14 | creeperz | yup yup |
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| 05:10.09 | ski | quol here? |
| 05:10.25 | ski | ~seen quol |
| 05:10.35 | | quol <~quolsimo@65.39.216.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 48m 31s ago, saying: 'MrApathyCream: so no updates then - it may still be broken??'. |
| 05:10.35 | learner | i took care of it |
| 05:10.39 | Blue_Beard | Thanks learner. :) |
| 05:10.45 | Blue_Beard | He's gone, ski. |
| 05:10.50 | Blue_Beard | learner fixed it. :) |
| 05:10.52 | ski | ah, k thanks ski |
| 05:11.01 | ski | oops |
| 05:11.06 | ski | lol |
| 05:11.15 | ski | i think im typing an email |
| 05:11.45 | ski | just wonderin, cause i figured hed wanna clean up the crap goin on in his server |
| 05:12.07 | ski | bunch of players ive never heard of |
| 05:12.32 | ski | cursin, accusing, stuff like that |
| 05:12.37 | ski | *sigh* |
| 05:12.50 | Blue_Beard | Bummer, ski. :( |
| 05:13.02 | ski | ah well whatcha gonna do |
| 05:13.11 | Blue_Beard | Well... I just got ahold of him about re-enstating my admin powers now that I'm playing again. :) |
| 05:13.37 | Blue_Beard | So... that'd add some more coverage to the server. |
| 05:13.41 | ski | cool |
| 05:13.52 | ski | we need more admins |
| 05:14.10 | learner | Q server should have the voting system enabled |
| 05:14.26 | learner | would have been easy to vote him off |
| 05:14.26 | creeperz | i'll be an admin on someone's server |
| 05:14.35 | creeperz | currently im only admin on xmission |
| 05:14.38 | ski | i think so but most of them were causing probs |
| 05:14.41 | Blue_Beard | That'd be good. But when there are like four rednecks there who won't do anything.. :) |
| 05:14.47 | Blue_Beard | Exactly, ski. :) |
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| 05:15.28 | ski | ah well, im gonna see if there are any other ctf servers being played |
| 05:15.40 | *** part/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 05:15.56 | ski | cya all |
| 05:16.43 | Blue_Beard | Hmm. Seems I still have admin rights as Spiff. |
| 05:16.57 | Blue_Beard | I guess I can use that if I have to.. but I don't want to be known as Spiff anymore. :( |
| 05:17.40 | creeperz | (where is spiff) |
| 05:17.49 | Blue_Beard | <<<<< Formerly Spiff |
| 05:18.02 | DTRemenak | if you have admin rights, mightn't you be able to add yourself again? |
| 05:18.16 | Blue_Beard | I think you have to be the server OP to add other admins. |
| 05:18.27 | creeperz | ohhhh |
| 05:18.36 | DTRemenak | could be, I dunno how it's set up |
| 05:18.48 | learner | Q set up a COPS group |
| 05:18.54 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 05:18.55 | learner | not true admins |
| 05:19.00 | Blue_Beard | Thought so. :) |
| 05:20.03 | learner | drat.. hard to compile bzadmin for irix... so much standard template library issues |
| 05:20.43 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 05:20.49 | SportChick | learner are you there? |
| 05:20.56 | purple_cow | learner: are you using MIPSPro? |
| 05:21.00 | learner | nope, I"m here |
| 05:21.06 | learner | purple_cow: yes |
| 05:21.30 | SportChick | I just had a very bad experience on compile from this morning...running medium quality, textures off |
| 05:21.42 | SportChick | I don't see Pat, who I should probably complain to |
| 05:21.59 | learner | he's been gone all day -- something must be up/wrong with him |
| 05:22.08 | SportChick | but the radar portion of the screen wasn't centered and kept moving around and zooming in and out...out to the point where it would disappear entirely |
| 05:23.00 | learner | purple_cow: I'm getting errors inside of /usr/include/CC/stl_vector.h .. iterator erase(iterator __position) (a macro invocation has too many arguments) .. etc etc etc |
| 05:23.23 | learner | SportChick: very wierd, eh? :) |
| 05:23.37 | Adam | holy shit #c is savage |
| 05:23.52 | SportChick | learner: unreal! and made it impossible to play rabbit |
| 05:23.57 | SportChick | couldn't see where anything was |
| 05:24.05 | learner | watch the language, Adam. you won't be warned twice |
| 05:24.31 | SportChick | ~seen Chestal |
| 05:24.33 | | chestal is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 308 messages. Is idling for 5h 25m 40s |
| 05:25.01 | SportChick | learner: any idea what it is or what's causing it? should I file a bug report? or try and talk to pat first |
| 05:25.25 | Adam | oh ic u guys got that PG 13 thing in here to? |
| 05:25.38 | learner | SportChick: try to talk to pat first |
| 05:25.39 | purple_cow | Adam: its just that we like to keep it polite in here |
| 05:26.22 | learner | might wanna wait till you get a new one before you do that chick :) |
| 05:26.53 | SportChick | I'm very frustrated right now |
| 05:27.06 | MrApathyCream | try a lemon bar |
| 05:27.12 | learner | what do you mean by wasn't centered? |
| 05:27.13 | Adam | lol i got banned from #c for useing "all caps" |
| 05:27.17 | purple_cow | lemon bars are good frozen |
| 05:27.21 | purple_cow | meaning excellent |
| 05:27.33 | learner | Mmmm.. i like the orange pushup things |
| 05:28.50 | learner | cappy, any ideas on how to appease the irix compiler for this stl badness? |
| 05:28.57 | SportChick | Learner: it was like a moving target. There's sort of a black box where the radar sectino of the screen should be. But in fact, the actual graphic that should have been there kept moving around as I moved. And on top of that (which was bad enough), it kept zooming in and out. It was sort of like watching one of those cartoons, where at the end, the screen shrinks and shrinks and shrinks until there's nothing left an |
| 05:29.13 | purple_cow | learner: not really |
| 05:29.25 | purple_cow | i've not done much with it, always used gcc |
| 05:29.26 | learner | :( |
| 05:29.46 | SportChick | learner: think about it as if there are two squares..you move one so it's no longer in line with the other and all you can see is where they overlap |
| 05:29.56 | MrApathyCream | learner: it would appear that whatever the class that is the item in the vector does not have the necessary capailities needed by the Vector class |
| 05:30.39 | MrApathyCream | if you can look at the erase method, you may be able to see what methods are required |
| 05:31.05 | MrApathyCream | rots ruck |
| 05:31.31 | learner | heh, rank u shaggy |
| 05:31.52 | SportChick | I already had one lemon bar...don't wanna go on a sugar rush...it'll give me a headache |
| 05:31.56 | learner | sportchick: where'd you get that compile from? |
| 05:32.05 | SportChick | nidhoggr |
| 05:32.13 | learner | i can't imagine what would have caused that -- never heard of it |
| 05:32.16 | SportChick | it's on his site for admins to get the latest and greatest |
| 05:32.24 | learner | ah |
| 05:32.33 | learner | hehe |
| 05:32.36 | learner | silly nid |
| 05:32.55 | SportChick | we test the things like crazy for you! ;) |
| 05:33.09 | learner | wierd stuff like that tends to happen when one of us don't make the builds :) |
| 05:33.56 | SportChick | well, to be fair...he did the build on the last one I had loaded and it didn't have that problem |
| 05:34.19 | SportChick | do you have a copy of today's compile for windows I can test and see if it does the same thing |
| 05:34.23 | *** join/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@pcp05927753pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 05:34.27 | Blue_Beard | SGI! :) |
| 05:34.33 | learner | need to get herr pat to try and make one |
| 05:34.33 | SGI | hello |
| 05:34.38 | Blue_Beard | How goes it, might tanker? |
| 05:34.40 | learner | howdy sgi :o) |
| 05:34.54 | SGI | great |
| 05:35.03 | Blue_Beard | SIG taught me how to play. ;) |
| 05:35.04 | SGI | double S double D |
| 05:35.05 | SportChick | MrApathyCream: what about you? do you have a windows build from this morning (or last night)? |
| 05:35.22 | MrApathyCream | i can post one, but youll have to wait a while (dialup) |
| 05:35.29 | SportChick | I'm patient |
| 05:35.31 | learner | SGI taught me to always watch my radar :) |
| 05:35.37 | learner | my arch nemesis :) |
| 05:35.43 | SportChick | I was trying, I was trying! |
| 05:36.02 | Blue_Beard | We were even teammates for a while. Wow.. that was ages ago. |
| 05:36.09 | learner | you need to poke hubby to make better progress with dev-c++ :) |
| 05:36.13 | SGI | Im suck on Ducati right now but my rico still "dangerous" |
| 05:36.19 | Blue_Beard | And I taught you how to die, learner. ;) |
| 05:36.41 | learner | nah, my playing died down when you peaked :P |
| 05:36.41 | Blue_Beard | (Teaching by example, of course.) :) |
| 05:36.42 | SGI | learner you still my preferite target |
| 05:36.50 | learner | heh |
| 05:37.24 | MrApathyCream | i'll let you know when it's there |
| 05:37.25 | Blue_Beard | SGI- Still playing at all? |
| 05:37.39 | SportChick | k, thanks |
| 05:38.00 | SGI | little bit on xmission |
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| 05:38.48 | learner | hrm.. irix is failing inside of CursesUI.h .. i wonder if there's some #define conflict |
| 05:39.09 | SportChick | brb... |
| 05:39.11 | *** part/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 05:40.41 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 05:40.56 | SportChick | I'm back |
| 05:40.57 | Blue_Beard | Awww.. no ducati style SGI? :) |
| 05:41.29 | SGI | nope a couple shots sometimes but not anymore like 6 months ago |
| 05:41.55 | SGI | Im spending to time playing |
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| 05:42.18 | Blue_Beard | Well... I hope to see you around some. We had some good battles. :) |
| 05:42.35 | SGI | Ducati |
| 05:42.49 | Blue_Beard | Yep yep. I am "0:)" now.. hehe. |
| 05:43.02 | SGI | but your bear is blue |
| 05:43.29 | Blue_Beard | Hehehe. That's a long story.. involving Kool-Aid... |
| 05:43.30 | Blue_Beard | ;) |
| 05:43.49 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 05:44.12 | creeperz | i was hit by kool-aid once |
| 05:44.22 | creeperz | back in the war...of that one year |
| 05:44.33 | creeperz | back in the day |
| 05:45.35 | creeperz | oh kool aid |
| 05:47.00 | Nidhoggr | sporty. I put build up around noon on admin files dir |
| 05:48.31 | learner | heya Nid.. |
| 05:48.37 | Nidhoggr | hi learner |
| 05:48.51 | learner | you run a server, right? |
| 05:48.55 | SportChick | I know...that version for some reason is giving me a really weird error |
| 05:48.55 | Nidhoggr | 2 |
| 05:48.57 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 05:49.10 | Nidhoggr | what sort of error? |
| 05:49.11 | SportChick | that's why MAC was gonna give me a new compile...to see if I still have the same problem |
| 05:49.13 | learner | do you run the word filter? |
| 05:49.18 | Nidhoggr | yes :/ |
| 05:49.32 | Nidhoggr | it's a little picky with ' still |
| 05:49.44 | learner | yes.. I've not been able to fix that yet |
| 05:49.55 | learner | where's it running at? |
| 05:50.06 | Nidhoggr | dragon.org and bzflag.secretplace.us |
| 05:50.32 | *** join/#bzflag triclops_pb (~caleb@203-219-160-62-nsw.tpgi.com.au) |
| 05:50.42 | Nidhoggr | I can always put up a test server, too if you need it. |
| 05:50.56 | learner | are they both running aggressive? |
| 05:50.58 | SportChick | learner: Nid's super-helpful! :) |
| 05:51.05 | Nidhoggr | also.. when new server hardware arrives next week, I'm going to offer space for devs on it. |
| 05:51.05 | Nidhoggr | yes |
| 05:51.08 | Nidhoggr | both aggressive |
| 05:51.22 | Nidhoggr | 100% bz server box |
| 05:51.23 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 05:51.25 | learner | are they recent builds? |
| 05:51.33 | Nidhoggr | hang on.. |
| 05:52.02 | learner | sorry for all the questions.. I made some changes recently, and I just wanted to make sure they are working as expected |
| 05:52.13 | Nidhoggr | -rwsr-sr-x 1 nobody nobody 4462033 Jan 15 11:23 /usr/games/bzflag/bzfs |
| 05:52.33 | Nidhoggr | I can schedule an update/reboot for tonight |
| 05:52.39 | Nidhoggr | err restart |
| 05:52.43 | Nidhoggr | no reboot for me :) |
| 05:53.02 | Blue_Beard | Does anyone else here run Windows XP Pro? |
| 05:53.06 | Nidhoggr | me |
| 05:53.09 | Adam | me |
| 05:53.15 | Adam | u need a key? |
| 05:53.23 | Blue_Beard | Err.. no. LoL |
| 05:53.27 | Adam | oh ic |
| 05:53.27 | Blue_Beard | I have a stupid question.. |
| 05:53.28 | SportChick | not me |
| 05:53.33 | Adam | sure |
| 05:53.34 | Blue_Beard | Does the clock ever randomly reset on you? |
| 05:53.41 | Nidhoggr | not me. |
| 05:53.41 | SportChick | I'm on the apparently EVIL version, 98SE |
| 05:53.44 | Adam | no |
| 05:53.51 | Blue_Beard | For some reason, I keep waking up and finding it set two hours earlier. |
| 05:53.51 | Adam | it is evil |
| 05:53.55 | Blue_Beard | I'm wondering if AIM is doing it. |
| 05:54.00 | Nidhoggr | weird. blue |
| 05:54.08 | Adam | ur standing naked in the street as far as sicurity goes |
| 05:54.20 | Adam | hmmm |
| 05:54.20 | Blue_Beard | Hmm? |
| 05:54.22 | Adam | i dunno |
| 05:54.37 | Blue_Beard | I can help Sport.. :) |
| 05:54.39 | MrApathyCream | SportChick: that would be good |
| 05:54.44 | Adam | i have a script for that... |
| 05:54.53 | Blue_Beard | Click "Settings".. and "Preferences"... |
| 05:54.53 | SportChick | yes it would..how do you do it, spacey? |
| 05:55.17 | captain_proton | Adam: please don't advertise warez here, we don't condone software piracy |
| 05:55.23 | learner | SportChick: very good ;) |
| 05:55.24 | Adam | ? |
| 05:55.24 | Blue_Beard | Then go to the "General" tab (on the left).. and there is a box that says "Extra words to highlight on:" |
| 05:55.30 | Adam | how was i doing that? |
| 05:55.30 | captain_proton | <Adam> u need a key? |
| 05:55.46 | Blue_Beard | Maybe it was just a friendly question. :) |
| 05:55.48 | Adam | i wasent saying warez.... |
| 05:56.02 | Adam | i was going to say u will need to activate it so dont bother |
| 05:56.03 | SportChick | done |
| 05:56.08 | SportChick | now someone say something to me |
| 05:56.09 | Adam | sheesh :P |
| 05:56.12 | Blue_Beard | Sport? |
| 05:56.13 | Blue_Beard | :) |
| 05:56.16 | Blue_Beard | Hehehe. |
| 05:56.20 | Nidhoggr | sportchick is silly ;) |
| 05:56.21 | learner | SportChick: no |
| 05:56.22 | SportChick | grrrr...figures...I didn't do that one |
| 05:56.22 | Adam | capton obvios... |
| 05:56.30 | Adam | captin* |
| 05:56.35 | Blue_Beard | ;) |
| 05:56.35 | Blue_Beard | LoL |
| 05:56.48 | Adam | better... |
| 05:56.52 | SportChick | okay, now how do I change the sounds? |
| 05:57.06 | SGI | no admin for freedomlives here |
| 05:57.18 | learner | ~ispell captin |
| 05:57.21 | | possible spellings for captin: captain Capitan cap tin cap-tin capt in capt-in caption Capetown carpeting Clapton captains Patin Catina caping capon Capt capita capt |
| 05:57.41 | captin_obvios | oof, i've completley forgotten what i was going to look for |
| 05:57.42 | SGI | I love Clapton |
| 05:57.42 | Blue_Beard | Hmm.. mine doesn't seem to have any sounds. :S |
| 05:58.08 | Blue_Beard | Maybe I turned 'em off way back when I got it. I'll look. :) |
| 05:58.32 | SportChick | mine doesn't beep, it clicks |
| 05:58.38 | SportChick | I want something more obvious |
| 05:58.58 | Blue_Beard | In the "General" tab you can turn the sounds off... Hmmm. |
| 05:59.03 | Adam | well i cant do if ur not... sheehs |
| 05:59.10 | Blue_Beard | It beeps for me. Ick. |
| 05:59.11 | Adam | sheeh* |
| 05:59.13 | Blue_Beard | *hates sounds* |
| 05:59.39 | SportChick | I want to CHANGE the sound..not turn on/off |
| 05:59.58 | Adam | lol when net slits happen me and a group on another server use to all change nicks it was funny when ppl came back... |
| 06:00.11 | Blue_Beard | Yeah.. I know. :) |
| 06:00.25 | Blue_Beard | But sounds are evil.. ;) |
| 06:00.34 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 06:00.42 | Blue_Beard | LoL Sport |
| 06:00.49 | learner | hehe |
| 06:01.06 | learner | well, it looks like it's working properly now |
| 06:01.08 | SportChick | woulda kicked him but he'd already let |
| 06:01.14 | SportChick | let=leFt |
| 06:01.20 | MrApathyCream | SportChick: bzflag.mebigfatguy.com take download link |
| 06:01.22 | Noodleman | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/talibantelephone.php |
| 06:01.26 | SportChick | thanks MAC |
| 06:01.36 | MrApathyCream | hey the beep worked! |
| 06:01.50 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 06:01.54 | learner | beep? |
| 06:02.06 | MrApathyCream | beep on hilited messages |
| 06:02.13 | learner | ah, hehe |
| 06:02.21 | Adam | beep is a command to beep ur pc speaker... |
| 06:02.42 | Blue_Beard | Noodleman: LoL |
| 06:03.22 | learner | i wonder what happened to him |
| 06:03.35 | Blue_Beard | Happened to who? |
| 06:03.39 | SportChick | he's been working a lot...maybe he fell asleep |
| 06:03.42 | Blue_Beard | Patlabor? Or Tali-Ban? ;) |
| 06:03.44 | SportChick | Rumplestilskin |
| 06:04.57 | SGI | no freedomlive admins here |
| 06:06.03 | SportChick | I'll be back in a bit...gonna go see if I stll have same problem |
| 06:08.01 | *** join/#bzflag Sport (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 06:08.41 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 06:08.53 | SportChick | learner: it still does the same thing, even with new compile MAC just made for me |
| 06:09.19 | MrApathyCream | now if i could get xchat to do text-to-speech |
| 06:09.32 | SportChick | lol |
| 06:09.57 | SportChick | MAC, is learning avoiding me again? |
| 06:10.56 | learner | impatient, isn't she? |
| 06:11.46 | learner | hrm. can you grab some screenshots for me? |
| 06:11.54 | SGI | chetaer on xmission |
| 06:12.05 | learner | just hit f5 a bunch of times, sportchick |
| 06:12.06 | SGI | long name start with djand numbers |
| 06:12.13 | MrApathyCream | sgi well vote him off! |
| 06:12.14 | SportChick | F5, right? |
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| 06:18.41 | SportChick | learner: I took the screen shots...where are they and how do I get them to you |
| 06:18.49 | SportChick | (where are they saved) |
| 06:19.10 | SGI | MrApathyCream...his name is too long and when you have to finish to calll the poll the server tell |
| 06:19.19 | SGI | .that person are not here |
| 06:19.54 | learner | if you start a poll to ban him, it won't matter if he changes his name |
| 06:20.04 | SportChick | actually, I foundthe screen shots..where do I send them? |
| 06:20.05 | learner | oh, where were they? |
| 06:20.09 | learner | i was hunting docs |
| 06:20.14 | SportChick | in my program files folder |
| 06:20.25 | scanline | C:\PROGRA~1 |
| 06:22.16 | SGI | time to go ...little one wake up early in the morning |
| 06:22.37 | SGI | nite |
| 06:24.03 | Adam | ttyl |
| 06:25.54 | SportChick | learner: I tried to give you several different views...it's doing something pretty weird here |
| 06:25.59 | learner | okay |
| 06:26.11 | SportChick | gonna go play on mozul's computer for a bit |
| 06:26.24 | SportChick | say my name if you need me...hopefully I'll hear it |
| 06:27.06 | learner | heh, alight |
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| 06:40.37 | learner | SportChick: very wierd.. looks like patlabor has the settings wrong |
| 06:40.42 | learner | you said that was medium? |
| 06:40.52 | SportChick | yes |
| 06:41.09 | SportChick | we tried low and it didn't work, so he told me just to use medium |
| 06:41.46 | SportChick | learner: see? I'm NOT crazy..it really IS weird |
| 06:42.11 | SportChick | and look at #5, I think it was...at the top of the screen. The bridge graphics blot out my test |
| 06:42.20 | SportChick | test=text |
| 06:43.30 | learner | oh, don't worry.. I still think you're crazy |
| 06:44.00 | Adam | is there any way to switch veiws in the game? |
| 06:44.50 | learner | adam: as observer yes, while playing no |
| 06:45.11 | learner | SportChick: "didn't work" == ? was the same? |
| 06:45.26 | SportChick | Noodleman, there were other problems |
| 06:45.32 | SportChick | he said just to stickwith medium |
| 06:45.40 | SportChick | I am trying to remember the problem...think it was lag |
| 06:45.50 | learner | er, okay |
| 06:45.59 | SportChick | the fps was very very low and going to lower didn't help |
| 06:46.05 | SportChick | (lower quality) |
| 06:46.12 | SportChick | played best in medium quality |
| 06:46.14 | SportChick | yeah, that's it |
| 06:46.19 | learner | try moving your config file out of the way and re-running -- see if anything's different |
| 06:49.10 | SportChick | you mean into different folder? |
| 06:49.47 | learner | sure anywhere |
| 06:51.57 | learner | well? |
| 06:58.41 | learner | wow, medium quality is aweful |
| 06:58.59 | learner | i woulda called that low |
| 06:59.30 | SportChick | sorry it took so long, I was testing something |
| 06:59.41 | SportChick | if I turn "smoothing" on, the problem goes away |
| 07:00.07 | SportChick | but the minute I turn it off, it's a problem. I cycled through every option and the only one that made a difference was turning smoothing "on" |
| 07:00.09 | learner | so if smoothing is off, and quality is medium, it goes nuts? |
| 07:00.22 | learner | what about low and high quality? |
| 07:02.55 | SportChick | I couldn't play with the high quality...way too much lag...couldn't even see what was happening. |
| 07:02.55 | SportChick | learner: correct |
| 07:04.34 | SportChick | okay...I remember problem with low qual now. Entire top 1/2 of screen is blocked out |
| 07:04.41 | SportChick | completely black. |
| 07:05.16 | SportChick | That's why he said don't go to low. On high, it seems okay with smoothing on (although, again, it's sooooo laggy I can't see much of anything, but tried going in and just watching the radar and it seemed ok). |
| 07:09.31 | learner | my my.. knightmare is rather presumptuous |
| 07:09.43 | Noodleman | what's he doing now? |
| 07:09.52 | learner | just had a little chat with him on his server |
| 07:10.00 | learner | about his server reporting the wrong player count |
| 07:10.08 | Noodleman | yeah, what'd he say? |
| 07:10.32 | learner | he not only admitted to it, it was rather vehement that he was going to continue to do it |
| 07:10.52 | Noodleman | yeah, i'm on the record saying that he's a jerk |
| 07:10.56 | Noodleman | and he knows it :-) |
| 07:11.09 | learner | i warned him that he's going to get himself banned from the list server, and he threatened to "take the whole list server down" |
| 07:11.16 | Noodleman | heh |
| 07:11.17 | learner | heh |
| 07:11.38 | Noodleman | fun fun, we have a script kiddie in our midst |
| 07:11.50 | Noodleman | and that's on the record too :-) |
| 07:12.02 | Noodleman | is he still there? |
| 07:12.07 | learner | then he started ranting about how he's going to teach others how to do it, apparently pushing his website now |
| 07:12.24 | learner | yea, he's the paused Hello Something player |
| 07:12.24 | SportChick | do you need anything else from me, learner, or can I go play now? (mozul gave up his computer for a while) |
| 07:12.36 | learner | sorry, chick, got sidetracked |
| 07:12.39 | Noodleman | oh, hello friend, i guess |
| 07:12.48 | Noodleman | i'm gunna go have some phun |
| 07:12.50 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 07:13.31 | learner | sportchick: i saw the problem, briefly -- that'd be a bonefide bug indeed. Can you not play at high quality with the other settings disabled? |
| 07:13.43 | learner | light lighting |
| 07:13.52 | SportChick | no...too much lag |
| 07:13.54 | learner | er, like lighting and blending |
| 07:14.20 | learner | wow |
| 07:14.24 | learner | what kind of machine is that? |
| 07:14.34 | learner | what's the graphics card? |
| 07:15.26 | learner | well, the one good thing about people like knightmare is that he'll keep us in check -- the list server shouldn't be as open as it is now anyways |
| 07:17.06 | SportChick | It's my laptop..graphics card is a Rage LT Pro AGP 2x |
| 07:18.35 | Noodleman | little knightmare guy's gonna hack my stats page :-) |
| 07:18.44 | Noodleman | better run apt-get upgrade |
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| 07:25.44 | Blue_Beard | Noodleman: Trouble with morons? :) |
| 07:26.46 | Noodleman | Blue_Beard: yes |
| 07:26.50 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 07:27.13 | Noodleman | knightmare is a pain in the butt, if nothing else |
| 07:28.19 | SportChick | learner: will you come to secretplace...mac issue |
| 07:28.30 | Blue_Beard | LoL.. yep. Acne on the butt of the world. |
| 07:28.31 | Blue_Beard | LoL! |
| 07:28.39 | Noodleman | lol |
| 07:28.43 | Noodleman | that works |
| 07:29.51 | Blue_Beard | I just now looked at the newer Stats.. looks good. :) |
| 07:29.59 | Noodleman | yes, i like it |
| 07:31.21 | Noodleman | i wouldn't doubt it |
| 07:32.06 | Noodleman | ok, running no unnecessary services |
| 07:32.25 | Noodleman | hrml, let's turn off the cvs pserver just for the hey of it |
| 07:33.27 | Noodleman | ok, g'night peoples |
| 07:33.43 | Noodleman | let the blow fall, i await its coming |
| 07:33.51 | creeperz | ahh |
| 07:33.59 | creeperz | its only 1:30 |
| 07:34.06 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 07:34.07 | creeperz | not bed time for another 12 hours |
| 07:34.35 | Noodleman | haha |
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| 07:43.17 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 07:47.13 | Patlabor221 | so larsl wants to turn BZflag into doom? |
| 07:47.21 | Patlabor221 | with billboarded sprites? |
| 07:51.29 | Rubin | i was thinking bzflag would be cool if modded to be slightly more like descent |
| 07:52.00 | captain_proton | hiya Patlabor221 |
| 07:52.13 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 07:52.16 | captain_proton | how goes? |
| 07:52.27 | Patlabor221 | not as good as it should be going |
| 07:53.51 | Patlabor221 | and I can only seem to get body.c to draw one side of the tank |
| 07:55.17 | Patlabor221 | how is it going out there? |
| 07:55.43 | captain_proton | pretty decent, i suppose |
| 07:55.51 | captain_proton | got this code for class drawing purdy graphs |
| 07:56.40 | Patlabor221 | splain |
| 07:56.50 | captain_proton | http://navi/~jupiter/logistic-maps/ |
| 07:57.29 | captain_proton | i think 3.6 is my favorite |
| 07:58.10 | Patlabor221 | let me turn that into a real URL |
| 07:58.18 | captain_proton | err |
| 07:58.20 | captain_proton | navi.cx :P |
| 07:58.26 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 07:58.34 | captain_proton | instead of just navi |
| 07:58.43 | Patlabor221 | there we go |
| 07:58.50 | learner | patlabor! |
| 07:58.53 | learner | how goes it? |
| 07:59.08 | Patlabor221 | what does this code draw |
| 07:59.19 | Patlabor221 | hey learner, it's "fun", how is it out there? |
| 07:59.34 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: the logistic map Xn+1 = RXn(1-Xn) |
| 07:59.35 | learner | i'm still ill, and it's snowing |
| 07:59.41 | captain_proton | (basic stuff in chaos theory) |
| 07:59.45 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 08:00.10 | Patlabor221 | this is a python graphics class that does the drawing for you? |
| 08:00.11 | captain_proton | didn't you go to art school? :) |
| 08:00.20 | Patlabor221 | for a Time |
| 08:00.24 | captain_proton | its actually gnuplot |
| 08:00.27 | learner | icky default gnuplot graphs |
| 08:00.35 | learner | heh |
| 08:00.35 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 08:00.40 | captain_proton | learner: how would you make them purdier? |
| 08:01.04 | Patlabor221 | started at CSUN, for comp sci, went to moorpark for graphic design, transerferd to radio-television, then went back to comp sci |
| 08:01.16 | Patlabor221 | then got a real job and didn't have time |
| 08:01.24 | Patlabor221 | lense flair :) |
| 08:01.29 | captain_proton | hehehehe |
| 08:01.30 | learner | set terminal pict landscape color dashes "Monaco" 14 1280 768; |
| 08:01.42 | learner | and plot "with dots" |
| 08:02.26 | Patlabor221 | learner I don't know if I will be able to make the change I wanted to make |
| 08:02.34 | learner | no? |
| 08:02.36 | Patlabor221 | I can only get 1 of the 2 sides to draw |
| 08:02.42 | Patlabor221 | it's pissing me off |
| 08:02.48 | learner | we waited all day for your change hoping :) |
| 08:03.04 | Patlabor221 | I know I worked on it for a long time last night, and a long time this AM |
| 08:03.07 | learner | 1 of 2 sides? |
| 08:03.12 | learner | pics? |
| 08:03.13 | Patlabor221 | it should be drawing |
| 08:03.25 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: winding? |
| 08:03.27 | Patlabor221 | you know how the body of the tank is just like a loped paper? |
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| 08:03.40 | learner | yes |
| 08:03.41 | Patlabor221 | I tried reversals, so it's not winding |
| 08:03.49 | Patlabor221 | well I'm puting caps on those open sides |
| 08:03.52 | Patlabor221 | so it's solid |
| 08:04.16 | Patlabor221 | cap, I did the geo as an obj model |
| 08:04.29 | Patlabor221 | then copied the data right into the code |
| 08:04.38 | SportChick | hiya pat |
| 08:04.40 | Patlabor221 | so I am prety sure winding is right |
| 08:04.53 | Patlabor221 | and when it does tanks its doing double sided, so I don't think winding maters |
| 08:04.59 | Patlabor221 | hello SportChick how are you? |
| 08:05.10 | Patlabor221 | how is it slightly south of me here? :) |
| 08:05.33 | SportChick | I'm okay, but had some problems earlier. learner has the screenshots |
| 08:05.45 | Patlabor221 | and posibly ever so slightly east |
| 08:05.54 | Patlabor221 | is this on the laptop? |
| 08:06.02 | Blue_Beard | *blinks* Wow.. my clock isn't wrong.. it's 3:10 AM. |
| 08:06.07 | learner | yea, pat, there's some issue with medium quality and smoothing disabled |
| 08:06.15 | captain_proton | learner: hmm, those settings give me syntax errors |
| 08:06.20 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 08:06.23 | learner | probably existed before the modes were collaped, but rare case |
| 08:06.39 | Patlabor221 | the only thing that colapsed was textures |
| 08:07.02 | Patlabor221 | current medium is just like old medium just with textures off |
| 08:07.30 | learner | cappy, pict might be a darwin extension.. the important part is dashes and setting the font to something nice, and using dots instead of those nasty circles |
| 08:07.31 | Patlabor221 | smothing is still a real option |
| 08:07.48 | Patlabor221 | we can put it all back for now if you want |
| 08:07.55 | learner | there's an option to actually plot the curves for you, but I can never remember it |
| 08:08.03 | captain_proton | i don't want curves |
| 08:08.06 | Patlabor221 | maybe it'll be better to wait till the the engine is done |
| 08:08.27 | captain_proton | is dashes a term pict option? i'm not seeing it in term png |
| 08:08.38 | learner | yeah |
| 08:08.46 | Patlabor221 | maybe it's all the texture binds that screw people up |
| 08:08.59 | Patlabor221 | one bind per textue per object drawn |
| 08:10.13 | Patlabor221 | if you want to roll it back please feel free to do so |
| 08:12.11 | Patlabor221 | I would thinkI shoudl only see 2 Y values for the main loop each oposets of each other |
| 08:12.48 | learner | but at medium, aren't textures off? |
| 08:13.18 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 08:13.18 | Patlabor221 | I was thinking of other problems some people have hadd |
| 08:13.20 | SportChick | did you want screen shots of the problem I have on low qual too, guys? |
| 08:13.21 | learner | the problem is specifically with medium and apparently smoothing |
| 08:13.23 | Patlabor221 | does 10.2 in med w/textures off have the same problem |
| 08:13.38 | Patlabor221 | on what cards? |
| 08:13.39 | Patlabor221 | any? |
| 08:13.46 | Patlabor221 | and smothing on or off? |
| 08:13.56 | Patlabor221 | and can we try it in 10.2? |
| 08:13.58 | SportChick | Patlabor221, are you talking to me or learner? |
| 08:14.14 | Patlabor221 | anyone who will listen today :) |
| 08:15.31 | SportChick | it works fine in 1.10.2 |
| 08:15.34 | SportChick | with smoothing off |
| 08:15.38 | SportChick | and quality at medium |
| 08:15.43 | Patlabor221 | and textures off? |
| 08:15.47 | SportChick | (on my computer anyway) |
| 08:15.51 | learner | yeah, just worked for me too |
| 08:15.53 | SportChick | .ummmm...gotta check |
| 08:16.01 | Patlabor221 | then lets revert |
| 08:16.12 | Patlabor221 | and what is the problem? |
| 08:16.21 | Patlabor221 | can somone show me a pict? |
| 08:16.26 | learner | yea, hold |
| 08:17.02 | SportChick | yes, it's okay in 1.10.2 with textures off, medium quality and smoothing off |
| 08:17.18 | SportChick | I sent photos to learner...you want me to forward them to you? |
| 08:17.33 | SportChick | do you want to see screenshots of the problem I have with low quality, too? |
| 08:17.35 | Patlabor221 | he cah host them in a place I can see problem |
| 08:17.39 | SportChick | ok |
| 08:18.02 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/bug/ |
| 08:18.22 | SportChick | should I make screen shots of the low-quality problem too? |
| 08:18.34 | learner | are they similar? |
| 08:18.37 | SportChick | no |
| 08:18.48 | SportChick | the top 1/2 of the screen is all black |
| 08:19.42 | learner | if you don't mind, sure |
| 08:19.49 | learner | just one or two are fine |
| 08:20.35 | learner | patlabor, it looks like the depth buffer is screwed |
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| 08:20.44 | Patlabor221 | no its the sicior |
| 08:21.02 | learner | sicior? |
| 08:21.05 | *** join/#bzflag SC (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 08:21.11 | Patlabor221 | well it's like it's a lower res depth buffer |
| 08:21.31 | Patlabor221 | maybe I'm not initing something in new medium |
| 08:21.36 | Patlabor221 | go ahead and revert it |
| 08:21.42 | scanline | scissor? |
| 08:21.43 | SC | sent |
| 08:21.46 | learner | i dunt know what you modified |
| 08:21.51 | Patlabor221 | yea soory |
| 08:21.58 | scanline | yikes.. bzflag uses scissor tests? |
| 08:22.02 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 08:22.05 | scanline | scary |
| 08:22.07 | Patlabor221 | for the stupid hud |
| 08:22.15 | Patlabor221 | and the radar |
| 08:22.18 | scanline | but... |
| 08:22.21 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 08:22.24 | learner | no buts! |
| 08:22.24 | scanline | shouldn't it set the viewport for that sort of thing? |
| 08:22.26 | scanline | :) |
| 08:22.28 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 08:22.34 | Patlabor221 | there are LOTS of things |
| 08:22.51 | Patlabor221 | go ortho set the viewport and just draw |
| 08:23.11 | captain_proton | scanline: it does it in full opacity mode |
| 08:23.11 | scanline | yeah |
| 08:23.22 | captain_proton | since the software guys take a fill-rate hit from it |
| 08:23.38 | scanline | captain_proton: yeah, but it would be even faster to use a smaller viewport, rather than doing a scissor test |
| 08:23.43 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 08:23.50 | Patlabor221 | or jsut don't draw outside of it |
| 08:24.04 | SC | learner: did you get the email? |
| 08:24.08 | captain_proton | the scissor tests should only actually occur during the main scene |
| 08:24.11 | captain_proton | (i think) |
| 08:24.13 | captain_proton | (maybe) |
| 08:24.16 | learner | sc: yes |
| 08:24.21 | SC | k |
| 08:24.26 | Patlabor221 | well it's geting all riped |
| 08:24.30 | Patlabor221 | later |
| 08:24.35 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 08:24.37 | SC | some of the issues are the same (with radar), but that HUD is weird |
| 08:25.02 | Patlabor221 | when did I remove the texture thing? |
| 08:25.04 | captain_proton | wow, badger was on? |
| 08:25.05 | Patlabor221 | on the 14th? |
| 08:26.06 | captain_proton | i like the name of his latest machine |
| 08:26.16 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/bug/2. |
| 08:26.46 | Patlabor221 | there must be something not set right |
| 08:26.53 | Patlabor221 | I'm reverting now then I'll do a build |
| 08:26.59 | Patlabor221 | tho I have nowhere to post it |
| 08:27.10 | learner | you can send it my way |
| 08:27.14 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 08:27.21 | learner | er, don't you have an account? |
| 08:27.29 | Patlabor221 | posibly |
| 08:27.48 | Patlabor221 | I don't show one in my ssh thingy |
| 08:27.52 | learner | meh, send it and I can put it somewhere that's got a little better rate than brlcad.org |
| 08:28.18 | Patlabor221 | if I have the login for dragon still I can put it there |
| 08:28.34 | learner | whatever works for you :) |
| 08:28.46 | Patlabor221 | if I don't I shall send to you |
| 08:28.52 | learner | k |
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| 08:29.24 | Patlabor221 | I knew I should have left that code commented out |
| 08:29.34 | SportChick | sorry, for some reason, xchat keeps disconnecting me |
| 08:32.20 | SportChick | Well, if you all don't need anything else from me, I'm gonna hit the hay |
| 08:32.39 | learner | g'night sportchick ;) |
| 08:34.19 | Rubin | this is very strange... somehow i did something to my bzflag install, such that -windowed doesnt work anymore (xp) |
| 08:34.34 | Rubin | i'm using the same icon from the installer even.. |
| 08:34.51 | captain_proton | perhaps thats because the option is -window instead of -windowed ? :) |
| 08:35.09 | Rubin | no heh |
| 08:35.30 | Patlabor221 | cap there is a shortcut in the installer |
| 08:35.32 | Rubin | when you run bzflag with commandline args does it save them as the next default? |
| 08:35.35 | Patlabor221 | that is what he is taking about |
| 08:35.41 | Patlabor221 | no it does not |
| 08:35.52 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ah |
| 08:35.52 | Rubin | coz it was working.. and then i like, was playing with the various view commands |
| 08:35.58 | Patlabor221 | I will make sure the installer has the shortcut for window proper |
| 08:36.08 | Rubin | it does because i've used it b4 |
| 08:36.09 | learner | uh, it saves them as the default here |
| 08:36.13 | captain_proton | Rubin: oh - it may save the -view stuff |
| 08:36.14 | captain_proton | try -view normal |
| 08:36.16 | Patlabor221 | I know it works |
| 08:36.20 | Rubin | where does it save them? |
| 08:36.22 | Patlabor221 | I made it |
| 08:36.25 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't save them |
| 08:36.36 | Patlabor221 | not the CLI options |
| 08:36.40 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: view is a bzdb item |
| 08:36.42 | Patlabor221 | it saves some stuff in config |
| 08:36.45 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 08:36.47 | Patlabor221 | fun |
| 08:36.51 | captain_proton | if you set -view stereo, it could screw some stuff up |
| 08:37.00 | Patlabor221 | sucky |
| 08:37.12 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 08:37.14 | Patlabor221 | then check your config see it has any funk |
| 08:37.27 | captain_proton | or just run -view normal :)' |
| 08:37.44 | Patlabor221 | tho I guess you could say it does save any comand line option that is in BZDB to the config |
| 08:37.47 | Patlabor221 | like the username |
| 08:37.58 | Patlabor221 | port it to windows and the tosh and thensure |
| 08:38.01 | Patlabor221 | and make it clicky |
| 08:38.17 | scanline | gconf already is clicky.. and in theory it could work on any OS |
| 08:38.36 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 08:38.37 | scanline | but it's silly for a non-gnome-type app |
| 08:39.01 | Patlabor221 | the last verson of GTK i used on windows was horibly unstable |
| 08:39.20 | Rubin | ahh yeah, that fixed it |
| 08:39.31 | scanline | last time I used gtk on windows the biggest problem I had was click-to-focus |
| 08:39.31 | Rubin | tho i've noticed if I click on any other windows, bzflag minimizes itself automatically |
| 08:39.33 | Rubin | whats up with that |
| 08:39.42 | Patlabor221 | it's a feature |
| 08:40.47 | captain_proton | scanline: i wish it could use gconf :( |
| 08:40.47 | Rubin | it makes it a little hard to multitask bzflag and irc (: |
| 08:40.47 | Patlabor221 | we minimise on a lose focus event |
| 08:40.47 | Patlabor221 | it's a game, your suposed to play it |
| 08:40.47 | scanline | captain_proton: we just need to fork, and release gpybzflag++ |
| 08:40.47 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 08:40.48 | Patlabor221 | probably shoudl not do it if we are in window mode tho |
| 08:40.48 | Patlabor221 | we have to do it if we are in full screen |
| 08:40.48 | Rubin | oh.. yeah |
| 08:40.48 | Rubin | defaintely shouldnt in windowed mode |
| 08:42.12 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): put the texture item back in. |
| 08:42.38 | scanline | captain_proton: if I forget where I put all the movies on yoshi, tell me they're in /var/media |
| 08:43.00 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 08:43.04 | captain_proton | i'm supposed to remember that? |
| 08:43.08 | scanline | yes :) |
| 08:43.11 | captain_proton | i'll bet the locate command can remember it |
| 08:43.19 | scanline | no. only you |
| 08:43.23 | Patlabor221 | now what one is yoshi? |
| 08:43.24 | captain_proton | oh |
| 08:43.29 | scanline | Patlabor221: my desktop |
| 08:43.36 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 08:43.40 | Patlabor221 | how is navi? |
| 08:43.46 | scanline | Patlabor221: with navi missing a disk controller, we have media spread out all over the network :( |
| 08:43.54 | captain_proton | oh, i suppose i should order that |
| 08:43.58 | scanline | yes! |
| 08:44.14 | Patlabor221 | cap did you ever get Prince of Persia? |
| 08:44.19 | Patlabor221 | we finished it this week |
| 08:44.27 | Patlabor221 | finished metal arms tonight |
| 08:44.36 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: not for cheap enough to afford at present |
| 08:45.01 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's still in the $40 price point |
| 08:45.18 | captain_proton | also found that we need to get the wallace and gromit game :P |
| 08:45.25 | Patlabor221 | I saw that |
| 08:45.34 | Patlabor221 | don't know how it is tho |
| 08:45.46 | captain_proton | looked pretty |
| 08:45.59 | captain_proton | and it has a turnip launcher |
| 08:46.27 | captain_proton | which i'd guess means they're already using stuff from the great vegetable caper |
| 08:46.27 | Patlabor221 | Metal Arms was fun, it was difrent, more of an "adventure" shooter, with a bit of humor |
| 08:46.39 | Patlabor221 | is that a new one |
| 08:46.39 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 08:47.23 | captain_proton | yeah, won't be out until 2k6, i think |
| 08:47.28 | captain_proton | full-length feature film :) |
| 08:47.39 | Patlabor221 | I found it funny that the 2 robots sent to train you on your first live fire exerse were named "hozed" and "screwed" |
| 08:47.43 | scanline | 2k6.. |
| 08:47.44 | Patlabor221 | ohh wow, that will be cool |
| 08:47.50 | scanline | an electrical engineer would usually read that as 2600 |
| 08:48.08 | Patlabor221 | would that not be 2.6k ? |
| 08:48.10 | captain_proton | scanline: you losers |
| 08:48.15 | scanline | Patlabor221: right.. or 2600 |
| 08:48.29 | Patlabor221 | well 2.6K != 2k6 |
| 08:48.29 | scanline | captain_proton: hey, I'm not technically an EE |
| 08:48.39 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 08:48.42 | scanline | Patlabor221: in eletronics, 2.6k == 2k6 |
| 08:48.43 | Patlabor221 | in math that would be 2*k*6 |
| 08:48.55 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:48.56 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/World.h: who keeps putting in anonymous typedefs of named structs? try named typedefs of anonymous structs instead. |
| 08:49.02 | captain_proton | heh |
| 08:49.12 | Patlabor221 | if k = 1000, then 12000 |
| 08:49.16 | captain_proton | yay for abusing the + dealybob in creating accounts for things |
| 08:49.34 | scanline | oh, those email auto-aliase dealys? |
| 08:49.55 | scanline | yay, space |
| 08:50.16 | Patlabor221 | why you need multiple winderz? |
| 08:50.54 | scanline | Patlabor221: 30-day free trial of Protel DXP |
| 08:51.10 | Patlabor221 | what is that? |
| 08:51.22 | scanline | non-sucky PCB design and schematic capture software |
| 08:51.28 | scanline | great program, but I don't have $8000 |
| 08:51.29 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 08:51.39 | captain_proton | guh |
| 08:51.54 | Patlabor221 | that's how much 2/3s of our software costs |
| 08:52.01 | captain_proton | newegg makes it a royal pain to ship to an address that isn't the billing address |
| 08:52.08 | scanline | it's a good thing I don't need your software |
| 08:52.29 | scanline | captain_proton: is that new? I've ordered from newegg many a time before |
| 08:52.36 | Patlabor221 | well if you did, you would be running a CNC shop, and ours would be one of the cheapest ones |
| 08:53.01 | captain_proton | scanline: must be - i'd need to call bellco and have them list this address as an alternate ship-to, and then they call bellco to verify |
| 08:53.12 | scanline | fun |
| 08:53.22 | captain_proton | and this new place has fedex 2-3 day insured for only $1 more, which i should have noticed |
| 08:53.30 | scanline | ooh |
| 08:54.00 | Patlabor221 | I just changed my bank addy to my work to make it simpler to ship stuff there |
| 08:54.21 | shkoo | i think i need to learn opengl. |
| 08:54.31 | Patlabor221 | it's not that hard, it's just an API |
| 08:54.45 | shkoo | i did a bit of gl back in my SGI days, but i bet opengl is different. |
| 08:54.46 | scanline | shkoo: nah, aalib is all the rage these days |
| 08:54.46 | Patlabor221 | just for the love of the godess don't use BZ as an example :) |
| 08:54.50 | shkoo | heh |
| 08:54.56 | shkoo | aalib? hmm. |
| 08:55.04 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 08:55.12 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/menus.cxx: irix mipspro finds dead code |
| 08:55.30 | Patlabor221 | a new 10.3 is uploading now |
| 08:55.34 | shkoo | ... AAlib is an portable ascii art GFX library |
| 08:55.36 | Patlabor221 | so you can test it all out |
| 08:55.43 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 08:55.43 | captain_proton | GABLARGH |
| 08:55.45 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 08:55.50 | captain_proton | According to our new policy, we do not ship to alternate shipping address besides PO BOX address (see details in policies ) . Therefore, your order only can be shipped to your billing address. Sorry for any inconvenience. Thank you. |
| 08:55.52 | Patlabor221 | why do people do that? |
| 08:55.55 | shkoo | mm hmm. |
| 08:56.16 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: fraud |
| 08:56.26 | Patlabor221 | no I mean the ascii art |
| 08:56.31 | Patlabor221 | I know why they don't do the addrss thing |
| 08:56.34 | captain_proton | oh |
| 08:57.24 | scanline | Patlabor221: it's a lot faster than making ascii art movies and photos by hand :) |
| 08:57.25 | captain_proton | i also hate how you have to create an account |
| 08:57.33 | captain_proton | tastybite is neat in that they let you order without it |
| 08:57.39 | Patlabor221 | hmm now what is the URL to get the dragon.org betas |
| 08:57.42 | Patlabor221 | heh, scanline |
| 08:57.48 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: unused variableness |
| 08:58.03 | captain_proton | UGH UGH UGH |
| 08:58.13 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.13 | scanline | | |__ (_) |
| 08:58.13 | scanline | | '_ \| | |
| 08:58.13 | scanline | | | | | | |
| 08:58.13 | scanline | |_| |_|_| |
| 08:58.14 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.15 | captain_proton | ewiz.com also does the verify-with-credit-card-company dealybob |
| 08:58.17 | scanline | ascii art is fun, see? |
| 08:58.26 | Patlabor221 | yes I see |
| 08:58.33 | Patlabor221 | http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds/1.10.4/bzflagW321.10.3-2003.18.1.exe |
| 08:59.30 | fontenot | damn, I'm trying to checkout latest bzflag to test and I am getting cvs error |
| 08:59.37 | Rubin | hrm |
| 08:59.40 | Rubin | it runs windowd now, but its rendering the graphics really weird.. looked like i was looking up into the sky, i think it was scaling it as if the whole screen but then only drawing it in the window |
| 08:59.40 | fontenot | I wonder if it's me or sourceforge |
| 08:59.49 | Rubin | where does bzflag store all these settings -view and stuff? |
| 08:59.52 | Rubin | can i reset it to defaults? |
| 09:00.11 | fontenot | hmm it wont even let me login |
| 09:00.15 | Patlabor221 | in mydocuments/my bzflag files/ |
| 09:00.22 | scanline | eek |
| 09:00.24 | Patlabor221 | in your config file |
| 09:00.25 | scanline | "my bzflag files"? |
| 09:00.30 | Patlabor221 | yeah yeah |
| 09:00.50 | scanline | how about C:\home\<username>\.bzflag :) |
| 09:00.54 | Patlabor221 | it's what it would need to be named to be XP cert if it stays in my docuemnts |
| 09:01.11 | Patlabor221 | cus you may not have a C drive :) |
| 09:01.28 | scanline | you might not? |
| 09:01.34 | fontenot | anyone feel like trying a checkout? |
| 09:01.35 | scanline | windows still runs from floppies? |
| 09:01.47 | Patlabor221 | it should really go into OSDRIVE:/docuements and setings/<username>/application data/BZflag/<BZversion>/ |
| 09:01.56 | Patlabor221 | no, |
| 09:02.07 | Patlabor221 | but you don't have to have a drive labeled C |
| 09:02.18 | Rubin | that fixed it |
| 09:02.20 | Patlabor221 | all the NT ones will work on any drive letter |
| 09:02.28 | fontenot | cvs [login aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 09:02.39 | Patlabor221 | you timed out try again |
| 09:02.53 | learner | okay, I've got all the source files building with mipspro again (except a couple in bzadmin) .. now to just figure out this linking problem |
| 09:02.55 | Patlabor221 | just dont do -view when you don't know what they do |
| 09:03.05 | Rubin | how do you find out without doing them? :P |
| 09:03.12 | Patlabor221 | read the help |
| 09:03.14 | Rubin | problem is it perminantly corrupts the config file |
| 09:03.14 | fontenot | Patlabor221, I've tried like 30 times |
| 09:03.23 | Patlabor221 | you may have a crap route |
| 09:03.54 | triclops_pb | fontenot: i get error too |
| 09:03.55 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: the documentation should be extended a tiny bit to point out that setting certain views (like stereo) may be seriously not supported on some systems, and that a -view normal is required to switch back |
| 09:03.59 | triclops_pb | cvs [login aborted]: recv() from server cvs.sourceforge.net: Connection reset by peer |
| 09:04.04 | triclops_pb | anonymous login |
| 09:04.06 | fontenot | triclops_pb, thanks you! |
| 09:04.07 | Patlabor221 | yes that would be nice |
| 09:04.23 | captain_proton | in fact, i might as well just go ahead and do that |
| 09:04.23 | Patlabor221 | even better would be to make those things in the UI |
| 09:04.33 | fontenot | it's just sourceforge being sourceforge I guess |
| 09:04.34 | Patlabor221 | tho if it affects the UI your kinda screwd :) |
| 09:04.42 | captain_proton | well - switching views requires recreation of the context |
| 09:04.44 | Patlabor221 | is this anon or SSH CVS? |
| 09:04.49 | triclops_pb | anon |
| 09:04.56 | captain_proton | at least as far as stereo is concerned |
| 09:05.05 | triclops_pb | well thats all i got |
| 09:05.14 | captain_proton | switching between normal and three should work with an existing context |
| 09:05.26 | fontenot | Patlabor221, anon |
| 09:06.00 | scanline | VMware Workstation unrecoverable error: (vcpu-0) |
| 09:06.00 | scanline | NOT_IMPLEMENTED F(770):414 |
| 09:06.02 | Patlabor221 | ok learner current CVS has the tuxture thing reverted, you can test it out |
| 09:06.04 | scanline | grrrrrr |
| 09:06.43 | Patlabor221 | yeah looks like anon is down yet again |
| 09:07.25 | captain_proton | what docs do we have other than man pages? |
| 09:08.09 | fontenot | it just immediately closes port 2401 |
| 09:08.26 | fontenot | their stupid status page is useless as always |
| 09:08.26 | learner | patlabor: okay |
| 09:08.43 | learner | cappy: we have the start of docbookness, but nothing uses it yet |
| 09:08.48 | captain_proton | ah |
| 09:08.51 | Patlabor221 | seems medium does mess with the texture seting |
| 09:08.56 | Patlabor221 | probably what is screwing it up |
| 09:08.57 | triclops_pb | fontenot: it appears sf are doing some work on the cvs. 10h downtime |
| 09:09.03 | learner | if it's to a manpage, don't bother |
| 09:09.08 | triclops_pb | look at the notice at the end |
| 09:09.14 | Patlabor221 | we'll consolodate them later when the rendering system is better understood |
| 09:09.22 | fontenot | triclops_pb, I thought that does not start til noon on the 18th - and no downtime for anon is anticipated |
| 09:09.38 | Patlabor221 | medium and texturing on in the old version just textures the ground |
| 09:09.40 | learner | the docbook versions of the manpages were generated automatically, and are presently out of sync |
| 09:10.07 | learner | they'll get regenerated for a last time when the manpages go bye bye |
| 09:11.00 | triclops_pb | fontenot: hmm, good point. i guess we'll have to settle for old code for now |
| 09:13.52 | Patlabor221 | snaps not working? |
| 09:14.01 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: should be |
| 09:14.16 | Patlabor221 | get a snap then guys |
| 09:14.23 | captain_proton | yup |
| 09:15.36 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-109-1-3-248.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:17.12 | scanline | so, things might work a bit better in general if my / partition wasn't full |
| 09:17.24 | captain_proton | heh |
| 09:17.32 | captain_proton | maybe |
| 09:17.44 | scanline | yay.. vmware in linux 2.6 |
| 09:20.07 | captain_proton | grr |
| 09:20.14 | captain_proton | CIA-4 is a loser |
| 09:20.18 | Patlabor221 | anyone have a problem with me changing the hardcoded geometry files from being .c includes to real cpp files with a function that builds each part? |
| 09:20.28 | scanline | is CIA via sourceforge being laggy again? |
| 09:20.39 | scanline | maybe I should try enabling XML-RPC for bzflag to see if that works on sourceforge :) |
| 09:20.39 | captain_proton | scanline: yes, but i got the email notification already |
| 09:20.44 | scanline | hmm |
| 09:20.50 | fontenot | darn I forgot about snaps - sorry |
| 09:21.11 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:21.12 | captain_proton | it dropped one of the commits i did a couple days ago completely (somewhere, dunno if it was sf, cia, etc) |
| 09:21.13 | scanline | ^ could be you |
| 09:21.23 | captain_proton | hmmmm |
| 09:21.29 | captain_proton | you're the one who set up the script |
| 09:21.46 | scanline | captain_proton: yeah, but it's pasky's script.. and it might still have bugs that get it to sometimes produce invalid XML |
| 09:21.46 | fontenot | hmm where are the snaps again? |
| 09:22.07 | scanline | hah, yep |
| 09:22.15 | scanline | there was a "<>" in the message, and it didn't get escaped |
| 09:22.20 | scanline | silly perl script.. |
| 09:22.24 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 09:22.38 | fontenot | i only see links to sf |
| 09:22.44 | scanline | I sure thought he fixed that though, long before I installed this for bzflag |
| 09:22.51 | Patlabor221 | scanline, once I didn't leave a commit mesage and saw errors from the CIA thingy in the CVS client |
| 09:23.00 | captain_proton | fontenot: sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org |
| 09:23.11 | scanline | Patlabor221: doesn't really help me that much, I didn't write that script :P |
| 09:23.25 | Patlabor221 | ok, just mentioning it |
| 09:23.48 | fontenot | captain_proton, thanks |
| 09:24.22 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (frank@p50820819.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:25.15 | CIA-4 | 03micahjd * 10CVSROOT/ciabot.pl: Couldn't hurt to upgrade the CIA client anyway |
| 09:26.25 | CIA-4 | 03micahjd * 10CVSROOT/ciabot.pl: Test commit with some funny <> characters & stuff that pasky's script hopefully escapes right this time |
| 09:26.34 | scanline | yay, so I guess he did fix that |
| 09:31.28 | captain_proton | aww |
| 09:31.31 | Patlabor221 | learner I will have a change that requires changes to the 'nix build |
| 09:32.07 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:32.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah they make mobos too |
| 09:32.14 | Patlabor221 | I own one |
| 09:32.18 | scanline | silly name |
| 09:32.25 | Patlabor221 | my router is a gigabyte |
| 09:32.39 | Patlabor221 | yeah, but really if you had to have a company name, it does sound kinda cool :) |
| 09:32.55 | captain_proton | i was wondering if someone other than sgi finally put out a card with a gig of vram |
| 09:32.55 | captain_proton | :) |
| 09:33.07 | scanline | but.. it would be like naming a company milliliter |
| 09:33.20 | Patlabor221 | most on a FX that I know of is 256 |
| 09:33.27 | Patlabor221 | another cool name :) |
| 09:34.37 | captain_proton | aww |
| 09:34.49 | captain_proton | apparently the new ddr400 boards finally outdo rambus' bandwidth |
| 09:35.05 | Patlabor221 | the dual channel stuff? |
| 09:35.10 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 09:35.16 | Patlabor221 | and it's geting cheap |
| 09:35.42 | Patlabor221 | for 512s its cheaper for us to get dual channel then normal DDR |
| 09:35.45 | captain_proton | it amuses me that until very recently, the 2.5-year-old stuff in my machine was still faster than the top end |
| 09:35.52 | captain_proton | top end being the cheap top end :) |
| 09:35.53 | learner | Anyone have any suggestions: http://brlcad.org/tmp/bzfs.log |
| 09:36.20 | scanline | needs a little more teal, less black |
| 09:36.25 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (~bzgirl@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 09:37.03 | captain_proton | learner: can you use linker option -v ? |
| 09:37.11 | learner | doesn't change the output |
| 09:37.21 | Patlabor221 | learner you have any problem with me turning the tank geo into functions instad of an include |
| 09:37.28 | Patlabor221 | it will help me find my problem |
| 09:37.46 | captain_proton | learner: it doesn't? |
| 09:37.46 | Patlabor221 | and just makes more sense |
| 09:37.53 | captain_proton | but it says it will |
| 09:38.06 | captain_proton | (basically, which stdc++ lib are you linking?) |
| 09:38.10 | learner | pat: sure, go ahead |
| 09:38.28 | Patlabor221 | you will need to update the makefiles |
| 09:39.06 | captain_proton | scanline: MAC will have a heart attack |
| 09:39.17 | scanline | don't want that to happend |
| 09:39.19 | scanline | er, happen |
| 09:39.36 | scanline | oop, need numeric_gl |
| 09:40.19 | captain_proton | perhaps that bug is fixed? |
| 09:40.19 | Patlabor221 | the BZ font engine sucks |
| 09:40.34 | scanline | I should check, but I kinda doubt it |
| 09:40.58 | scanline | hehe, I love how pybzengine's sky is screwed up if the window was partially obscured during startup |
| 09:41.56 | learner | @captain_proton: I assume it's using the default stdc++ lib (which might be my problem) -- but it will link and run simple c++ apps |
| 09:47.40 | scanline | ooh.. I forgot how cool pybzengine's sequencer is |
| 09:47.43 | scanline | we need that in bzflag too |
| 09:48.50 | scanline | oooh... |
| 09:48.55 | scanline | and the flags |
| 09:48.57 | scanline | the flags! |
| 09:49.01 | scanline | just think how much faster those would be in C |
| 09:49.04 | captain_proton | THE FLAGS! |
| 09:49.07 | learner | hehe |
| 09:49.21 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (38 files in 7 dirs): |
| 09:49.22 | CIA-4 | if we are going to have hardcoded geometry may as well make it done in a non stupid way |
| 09:49.22 | CIA-4 | make all tank geo be in functions, not in #included .c files |
| 09:49.31 | Patlabor221 | opps I just commited my tank side changes |
| 09:49.37 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 09:49.42 | scanline | hehe |
| 09:49.47 | Patlabor221 | well it'll have one side |
| 09:49.51 | Patlabor221 | better then no sides |
| 09:49.55 | learner | "oops" or oops *cough* *cough* :) |
| 09:50.01 | triclops_pb | lol |
| 09:50.03 | Patlabor221 | no real oops |
| 09:50.10 | Patlabor221 | I havent' fixed the other side yet |
| 09:51.18 | scanline | so scary having a function called integrateSprings() in python... |
| 09:51.43 | Patlabor221 | as bad as having one called makeCheesePlease() ? |
| 09:51.53 | scanline | oooooh... |
| 09:51.55 | scanline | that's right... |
| 09:52.26 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/geometry/models/hitank/body.cxx: opps, remove the high tank side geo as it's not primetime yet |
| 09:52.26 | scanline | captain_proton: the perlin noise generator with textures actually isn't that slow.. it's that it has to run it through a mapping function to make it look cloud-like that kills the speed |
| 09:53.09 | scanline | glPixelTransferi(GL_MAP_COLOR, 1) <-- disgustingly slow on consumer hardware |
| 09:53.38 | captain_proton | ah |
| 09:54.13 | scanline | and that runs it through a table implementing math.log((y-0.35) * 40 + 1) * 0.27 |
| 09:54.27 | scanline | so it would either need hardware acceleration for GL_MAP_COLOR or for logarithms :) |
| 09:54.27 | captain_proton | eep |
| 09:54.36 | captain_proton | well |
| 09:55.00 | scanline | or we just do the sensible thing and render the cloud images slowly in the background, in software, and update them very infrequently |
| 09:55.19 | captain_proton | you could accelerate the map thing with a fragment program |
| 09:55.40 | scanline | well, you could probably do an even spiffier sky with fragment programs |
| 09:56.03 | scanline | BZFlag really needs an implementation of this Animated module... |
| 09:56.06 | Pimpinella | ~bzfquery |
| 09:56.17 | captain_proton | scanline: i was gonna start on that soonish |
| 09:56.21 | scanline | ooh |
| 09:56.47 | captain_proton | since i'll need it for the teles |
| 09:57.04 | scanline | well, I'm sure you could do it without really easily.. but if you have Animated it makes things like that very clean |
| 09:57.18 | scanline | and it would be useful all over the place for other stuff |
| 09:57.23 | scanline | like making text that bounces and rotates :) |
| 09:57.24 | captain_proton | that was my thinking |
| 09:57.29 | captain_proton | animated valuators can be used everywhere |
| 09:58.13 | scanline | mm. as creepy as the VRML parser is, using it sure was convenient |
| 09:58.15 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.30 | learner | eek |
| 09:58.42 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 10:01.48 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 10:01.56 | captain_proton | its disappointing how many new motherboards still use 32bit pci |
| 10:02.10 | captain_proton | i'd expect at least 64, preferably pci-x |
| 10:03.01 | scanline | hmm.. my X server is occasionally blitting pieces of stuff onto other pieces of stuff where it shouldn't |
| 10:03.24 | scanline | then covering its tracks stealthily |
| 10:04.16 | scanline | captain_proton: we should get lurgyman to port Event to C++ |
| 10:04.30 | captain_proton | my god |
| 10:04.32 | captain_proton | that's brilliant! |
| 10:04.36 | Patlabor221 | why not just finish pybzflag? |
| 10:04.37 | scanline | :) |
| 10:04.51 | scanline | Patlabor221: tim would revert it :) |
| 10:05.11 | Patlabor221 | he hasn't reverted any of the things we thought he would |
| 10:05.20 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: pybzflag is cool, and while it works as an example of doing real graphics in python, it could be spectacular in C |
| 10:05.43 | lurgyman | scanline: yes! and it can inherit from 19 different classes! |
| 10:06.01 | scanline | lurgyman: you have to implement the weakref part too :) |
| 10:06.23 | scanline | though I guess that would work with smart pointers |
| 10:07.08 | captain_proton | grr |
| 10:07.13 | scanline | wow.. I'm down to 8 updated packages on yoshi it seems |
| 10:07.19 | scanline | from about 180 yesterday |
| 10:07.24 | captain_proton | in fact, i can't find -any- recent PC motherboards with 64bit pci |
| 10:07.37 | scanline | captain_proton: my old SMP motherboard had 64-bit PCI ;) |
| 10:08.04 | captain_proton | i know |
| 10:08.07 | scanline | but that motherboard is cursed |
| 10:08.50 | scanline | it quickly went from an SMP motherboard to a uniprocessor motherboard.. then it started eating hard disk partitions.. and the 64-bit PCI slots never worke |
| 10:08.53 | scanline | +d |
| 10:09.48 | Patlabor221 | yay there we go proper tank sides |
| 10:09.50 | scanline | ooh.. and it had that cool bug where the CGRAM on my video card would get all garbled between some point in the BIOS's startup procedure to when my init scripts reloaded the console font |
| 10:10.01 | Patlabor221 | helps when you can actualy make functions to draw triangles |
| 10:10.29 | scanline | Patlabor221: why not at least store the geometry in arrays? |
| 10:10.49 | Patlabor221 | I did |
| 10:10.53 | Patlabor221 | for the new parts |
| 10:10.55 | scanline | ah |
| 10:11.02 | Patlabor221 | that is why I made it a function |
| 10:11.08 | Patlabor221 | geo in arays |
| 10:11.17 | scanline | whoa.. my xchat just sort of got squished and sheared a bit, then went back to normal |
| 10:11.26 | Patlabor221 | then made a function to draw a triangle using the same formats as an OBJ file |
| 10:11.31 | Patlabor221 | so I can just copy and paste |
| 10:12.22 | Patlabor221 | f 1/1/1 2/2/1 3/3/2 becomes DrawOBJIndexFace( 1,1,1, 2,2,1, 3,3,2); |
| 10:13.15 | scanline | seems though you could almost as easily stick those in a faceIndices[][3][3] array or something |
| 10:13.27 | Patlabor221 | I could of |
| 10:13.36 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/geometry/models/hitank/body.cxx: give hightank real sides, no more mobius loop tank bodys during explosions. |
| 10:13.44 | Patlabor221 | this just makes it an easy automateable paste job from the obj file |
| 10:13.55 | Patlabor221 | I should just make it read the stinkin file :) |
| 10:14.00 | scanline | yeah, you should |
| 10:14.05 | captain_proton | scanline: it actually doesn't matter at all :) |
| 10:14.11 | Patlabor221 | I will but that is a larger job |
| 10:14.26 | Patlabor221 | this is just cus seeing a hollow tank offends me :) |
| 10:14.28 | scanline | captain_proton: well, it matters when you define the array's initial value |
| 10:14.42 | captain_proton | true |
| 10:14.49 | scanline | and it changes how it's stored in memory, so if it was really speed-critical it would affect the cache |
| 10:14.55 | Patlabor221 | I did the verts as a float [][3] array with the data from the obj right in there |
| 10:15.41 | captain_proton | scanline: it does? |
| 10:15.57 | Patlabor221 | I also think(tm) that I changed the makefiles properly, but somone should check them |
| 10:16.09 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: mmk |
| 10:16.36 | scanline | captain_proton: hmm? |
| 10:16.49 | Patlabor221 | in the dist build part for the geo .c files I changed them to cxx, and in the makefile for geo I added them all to the sources list |
| 10:17.42 | Patlabor221 | going to see if I can get a good screeny of an explostion |
| 10:18.00 | captain_proton | they'rell probably be some osx changes that need to be made, as well, but learner / jbd can handle that |
| 10:18.03 | scanline | captain_proton: each level of [] indirection just indexes into the array to find a pointer to another array.. so if you were iterating the last dimension quickly the pointers for the first few would still be in cache and the values you're loading would be contiguous in memory |
| 10:18.04 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: impossible |
| 10:18.08 | captain_proton | the individual frames look like crap |
| 10:18.17 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 10:18.31 | Patlabor221 | but the picture part will be good, the contents of the picture will be crap |
| 10:18.36 | scanline | we really need particles to do good explosions |
| 10:19.12 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 10:19.24 | Patlabor221 | cept for those softies |
| 10:19.46 | Patlabor221 | wow BZ has engrish!!! |
| 10:19.55 | Patlabor221 | "you were joined to the rogue" |
| 10:20.47 | Patlabor221 | this is in the default languate |
| 10:21.01 | captain_proton | where does that come up? |
| 10:21.02 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/sparks-n-smoke.png |
| 10:21.18 | Patlabor221 | perhaps rogue should only be auto picked only if all the other teams have at least 1 |
| 10:22.10 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: btw, i think i figured out what "i should have reclined you" was supposed to mean :) |
| 10:22.40 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 10:22.45 | Patlabor221 | declined? |
| 10:22.48 | Patlabor221 | slept with |
| 10:22.50 | captain_proton | yup |
| 10:22.55 | Patlabor221 | what one? |
| 10:23.04 | captain_proton | declined |
| 10:23.08 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 10:23.13 | Patlabor221 | the second one is more fun |
| 10:23.29 | captain_proton | yeah, but afaict Amon isn't gay |
| 10:23.43 | Patlabor221 | he could swing both ways |
| 10:24.04 | captain_proton | true, with what i've seen |
| 10:24.07 | captain_proton | (so far) |
| 10:24.08 | Patlabor221 | ok learner my change is in, you may now branch off 10.4 if you wish |
| 10:24.21 | Patlabor221 | what is his power? |
| 10:24.34 | Patlabor221 | "be a real asshole"? |
| 10:24.45 | Patlabor221 | "look moody and forlorn"? |
| 10:24.50 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 10:25.13 | captain_proton | i imagine they'll reveal it sometime |
| 10:25.14 | Patlabor221 | "wear kick ass trench coat 24/7"? |
| 10:26.05 | Patlabor221 | if I was forced to cosplay by a female or something I'd chose to go as one of the STN memeber, just get a trench, put some buttons on the shoulders, and get an air glock and I'm good |
| 10:26.16 | Patlabor221 | then shoot people |
| 10:26.27 | Patlabor221 | and call them witches |
| 10:26.41 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 10:27.19 | Patlabor221 | http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20040116 |
| 10:28.55 | Patlabor221 | hey cap, you need this shirt for your TV |
| 10:28.55 | Patlabor221 | http://www.splitreason.com/productdetail.php?id=48 |
| 10:31.11 | captain_proton | not a bad pic |
| 10:32.21 | Patlabor221 | tho I like this one |
| 10:32.21 | Patlabor221 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/65a4/ |
| 10:32.55 | captain_proton | makefiles look ok, trying to build |
| 10:33.06 | captain_proton | oofa |
| 10:33.11 | captain_proton | automake: src/geometry/Makefile.am: not supported: source file `models/hightank/body.cxx' is in subdirectory |
| 10:33.11 | captain_proton | automake: src/geometry/Makefile.am: not supported: source file `models/hightank/barel.cxx' is in subdirectory |
| 10:33.11 | captain_proton | automake: src/geometry/Makefile.am: not supported: source file `models/hightank/turret.cxx' is in subdirectory |
| 10:33.15 | triclops_pb | Pat: me gots that shirt :-) |
| 10:33.19 | Patlabor221 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/60fd/ |
| 10:33.31 | Patlabor221 | yeah the files are in a subdirs |
| 10:33.36 | Patlabor221 | that's where they have allways been |
| 10:33.37 | learner | i haven't updated makefiles yet |
| 10:33.54 | Patlabor221 | I did |
| 10:33.57 | Patlabor221 | least I tried to |
| 10:34.28 | learner | i see.. |
| 10:34.42 | learner | automake won't like that |
| 10:35.07 | learner | holy moley.. got all of bzadmin to compile now too |
| 10:35.12 | Patlabor221 | wana move them up and rename them? |
| 10:35.23 | learner | now just to get those three suckers to link, and irix will be done |
| 10:35.26 | Patlabor221 | or put them into files like hightank.cxx? |
| 10:35.42 | learner | dunno pat |
| 10:35.44 | captain_proton | what i'd -rather- do is move to am1.7, but apparently that's not an option |
| 10:35.52 | captain_proton | hightank.cxx sounds good to me |
| 10:36.10 | learner | in models though, still, yes? |
| 10:36.22 | captain_proton | probably just in geometry |
| 10:36.29 | Patlabor221 | where ever you want |
| 10:36.42 | Patlabor221 | sounds like just in geo is easyest for your make system |
| 10:36.46 | learner | i'd separate them just anticipating that we'll have more geometry later |
| 10:36.51 | Patlabor221 | maters not to me, I can handle dirs |
| 10:37.05 | Patlabor221 | yes but when we do learner, it will be from model files |
| 10:37.10 | learner | it's trivial to make automake go that deap |
| 10:37.11 | Patlabor221 | not that hardcoded shit |
| 10:37.13 | learner | er, deep |
| 10:37.23 | learner | heh, i agree |
| 10:37.23 | Patlabor221 | then fix it for the current files |
| 10:37.32 | Chestal | fix it, fix it, I want to compile :-) |
| 10:37.46 | Patlabor221 | get windows, works here :) |
| 10:37.48 | learner | heh, g'morning chestal :) |
| 10:38.13 | Chestal | shouldn't you people be sleeping? |
| 10:38.17 | Patlabor221 | I probably should add sides to low and med tank |
| 10:38.20 | Patlabor221 | damn |
| 10:38.22 | Patlabor221 | yeah I should be |
| 10:39.13 | captain_proton | long weekend :) |
| 10:39.32 | learner | sleeping? bah! |
| 10:40.41 | learner | aww, shoot, pat.. you just added too much |
| 10:40.53 | Patlabor221 | for what? |
| 10:40.55 | Patlabor221 | did I beat you? |
| 10:41.08 | learner | i dunno |
| 10:41.18 | Patlabor221 | want me to consolodate? |
| 10:41.27 | learner | need cia |
| 10:41.31 | captain_proton | scanline: kendra will beat you |
| 10:41.42 | scanline | captain_proton: nah, I'll get it done |
| 10:41.54 | scanline | learner: hmm? |
| 10:41.56 | Patlabor221 | CIA showed my commits |
| 10:42.06 | learner | ah, then never mind :) |
| 10:42.53 | scanline | learner: Patlabor221's commit is the most recent one in the procmail log, so it's probably sf's wonderful email service |
| 10:43.23 | learner | i think it's just me, scanline |
| 10:43.26 | Patlabor221 | cap should probably wait till texture manager changes, then you can just add it to that |
| 10:43.56 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/geometry/Makefile.am: just a little too much |
| 10:44.35 | learner | you updated the makefiles for those individual dirs, that's all you needed to do |
| 10:44.58 | Patlabor221 | well they don't hve the "source" sections |
| 10:45.05 | Patlabor221 | as they were not really built before |
| 10:45.11 | Patlabor221 | they were done as #includes |
| 10:45.12 | learner | er, yea, I should fix that too :) |
| 10:45.17 | Patlabor221 | so I don't think they will work |
| 10:45.25 | Patlabor221 | I updated the extra_dist thingy |
| 10:45.34 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: Animated is a different scope than textures |
| 10:45.43 | captain_proton | it just provides a generic framework for animated valuators |
| 10:45.54 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 10:46.09 | Patlabor221 | well then texture manager will be one of the users of that then? |
| 10:46.14 | captain_proton | pybzflag used it for everything from the animated teles to the camera motion |
| 10:46.27 | Patlabor221 | just like an interpolator? |
| 10:46.41 | scanline | it could do interpolation, but was more generic than that |
| 10:46.51 | scanline | it was just a value or vector that you could attach functions to that vary over time |
| 10:47.03 | Patlabor221 | so just an interface to say "gimie the thing at a time"? |
| 10:47.14 | scanline | then there were ramp functions, sine functions, functions that would approach a given value in different ways |
| 10:47.32 | scanline | pretty much |
| 10:47.37 | scanline | and the 'thing' didn't have to stay constant |
| 10:47.53 | Patlabor221 | sure, that's the point of it being animated :) |
| 10:47.59 | scanline | for example the camera used a vector with a function that approached another vector logarithmically |
| 10:48.11 | scanline | Patlabor221: no, the function doesn't have to stay constant |
| 10:48.23 | scanline | so besides the value of the function changing, the function can also change over time |
| 10:48.32 | Patlabor221 | ok, but in that case it allways still returned a vector |
| 10:48.42 | scanline | so when you move the camera, you're actually changing part of the function that returns the camera's position over time |
| 10:48.43 | Patlabor221 | no mater how it fiugured it out |
| 10:48.50 | scanline | well, it didn't have to be a vector |
| 10:49.02 | scanline | the part the stored a vector or a scalar was separate from the function classes |
| 10:49.04 | Patlabor221 | sure I'm sure you could put any class in it |
| 10:49.06 | scanline | you'd attach a function to a container |
| 10:49.34 | Patlabor221 | wasn't limited to any one animatation type, or function |
| 10:49.48 | scanline | mmm.. particles |
| 10:50.10 | Patlabor221 | hmm, VC now does all it's build logs as HTML |
| 10:51.06 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/warp-speed-at-dawn.png |
| 10:51.14 | scanline | not as cool as a still picture though |
| 10:54.11 | Patlabor221 | well commit is done, time for sleep |
| 10:54.14 | Patlabor221 | see ya all later |
| 10:54.31 | captain_proton | 'night Patlabor221 |
| 10:54.34 | scanline | g'night |
| 10:59.09 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 10:59.12 | captain_proton | are models broken now, then? |
| 11:00.20 | learner | testing to make sure it's actually working this time |
| 11:02.00 | captain_proton | testing is good |
| 11:02.33 | fontenot | oooh particles pretty |
| 11:02.54 | scanline | fontenot: and sky :) |
| 11:03.08 | fontenot | yeah that too :-) |
| 11:03.20 | captain_proton | scanline: video of the sky ;) |
| 11:03.29 | scanline | and images :) |
| 11:07.59 | scanline | 8 screenshots of the sky should do it for now.. |
| 11:08.29 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 11:08.36 | captain_proton | the C++ version of Animated will need to abuse templates |
| 11:09.02 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/pybzengine/ |
| 11:09.42 | captain_proton | those mountains really are so much better than bz's |
| 11:09.53 | scanline | it's the gradient |
| 11:09.56 | scanline | gradients change everything |
| 11:10.28 | captain_proton | heh |
| 11:12.20 | fontenot | is Monday some sort of holiday of which I am unaware? |
| 11:12.30 | *** join/#bzflag CIA-3 (~CIA@navi.cs.colorado.edu) |
| 11:12.36 | captain_proton | fontenot: martin luther king day in the US |
| 11:13.05 | fontenot | ah OK. that explains it. I don't get that day off. |
| 11:14.26 | scanline | yay, a few more screenies |
| 11:14.39 | scanline | fonts, the flag, some crates |
| 11:14.51 | fontenot | ah things look even better once I adjusted my gamma |
| 11:15.03 | captain_proton | heh, crates |
| 11:15.29 | fontenot | ah nice flag |
| 11:15.32 | captain_proton | well |
| 11:15.46 | captain_proton | there is an inverse relationship between the quality of the game and the amount of time it takes before you see a crate |
| 11:15.58 | scanline | yes, and we wouldn't want to let people down ;) |
| 11:17.40 | captain_proton | :) |
| 11:17.46 | captain_proton | welp, i think 'tis naptime for me |
| 11:17.51 | scanline | g'night |
| 11:18.14 | captain_proton | tomorrow the pybzflag madness shall commence |
| 11:18.20 | captain_proton | (once i finish up my chaotics homework) |
| 11:18.21 | scanline | I think it's getting to be about the right time of day for electrical engineering myself |
| 11:18.24 | scanline | =) |
| 11:20.24 | scanline | hooray for CIA not exploding into a flurry of underscores every time it floods off |
| 11:20.27 | CIA-3 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/geometry/ (Makefile.am models/Makefile.am): okay, not too much.. but an option helps |
| 11:20.47 | learner | there cappy, chestal.. that should work now |
| 11:21.38 | scanline | man, I'm in the mood for coffee... |
| 11:22.15 | fontenot | I'm hungry. |
| 11:22.37 | CIA-3 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/sound.cxx: don't try to play sounds if the volume is muted |
| 11:22.47 | learner | Hello hungry. |
| 11:22.58 | triclops_pb | try /nick hungry |
| 11:23.23 | fontenot | lol |
| 11:23.32 | triclops_pb | then we can do /whois hungry |
| 11:23.36 | fontenot | hungry is my secret name |
| 11:26.16 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-204.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 11:26.20 | triclops_pb | where is startAudioThread() called? |
| 11:27.27 | Tupone | sound.cxx |
| 11:27.27 | learner | src/bzflag/sound.cxx:142 |
| 11:27.37 | learner | g'morning tupone :) |
| 11:27.45 | learner | as you can see.. we didn't release |
| 11:27.46 | Tupone | learner: hi |
| 11:27.46 | scanline | grep is your friend :) |
| 11:27.55 | triclops_pb | thanks learner, it doesn't turn up in project symbols in xcode |
| 11:28.17 | learner | make tags :) |
| 11:28.20 | triclops_pb | thanks tupone too |
| 11:47.50 | triclops_pb | nite |
| 11:49.06 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-204.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 11:53.35 | *** join/#bzflag your_dog (~jake@216-24-110-2.access.naxs.com) |
| 11:53.39 | your_dog | good morning |
| 12:07.38 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-204.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 12:09.51 | *** join/#bzflag larsl (~larsl@c213-100-50-18.swipnet.se) |
| 12:09.51 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o larsl] by ChanServ |
| 12:10.22 | Tupone | larsl: hi |
| 12:11.40 | larsl | Hello. |
| 12:11.45 | your_dog | hi larsl |
| 12:12.13 | larsl | your_dog: Thanks for the help yesterday, getbegyx and getmaxyx was just was I needed. |
| 12:13.20 | Tupone | larsl: something seems wrong to me with rendering N equipped tank |
| 12:13.20 | Tupone | did you noticed? |
| 12:13.20 | larsl | Haven't looked at it - I can in a moment. |
| 12:13.22 | larsl | Rebuilding. |
| 12:16.20 | larsl | Hm, yes. They are not narrow. |
| 12:16.51 | larsl | Something to do with the new models? |
| 12:17.31 | Tupone | the flag is narrow on the top |
| 12:17.50 | Tupone | have to go |
| 12:17.52 | Tupone | bye |
| 12:17.56 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-204.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 12:18.25 | your_dog | when i try to login anonymously to the cvs server, this is what i get: |
| 12:18.38 | your_dog | Logging in to :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/bzflag |
| 12:18.38 | your_dog | CVS password: |
| 12:18.38 | your_dog | cvs [login aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 12:18.41 | scanline | your_dog: sourceforge anoncvs is down for maintenance |
| 12:18.46 | your_dog | ahhhh |
| 12:18.52 | your_dog | ok thnx |
| 12:19.01 | scanline | try sfsnap |
| 12:19.18 | your_dog | cvs.sfsnap.net? |
| 12:19.28 | triclops_pb | ~sfsnap |
| 12:19.30 | | it has been said that sfsnap is http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/ |
| 12:19.32 | CIA-3 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/BUGS: Narrow tanks are not narrow |
| 12:20.09 | your_dog | i've only used cvs a couple of times, so pardon my stupidity, but how would i enter that |
| 12:20.42 | scanline | that's not a CVS server |
| 12:20.45 | larsl | your_dog: It's not CVS, it's a web address. |
| 12:20.49 | scanline | it's a web server you can download tarballs from |
| 12:20.54 | your_dog | ok |
| 12:21.15 | scanline | when someone commits, a script automatically gets the sfsnap server to update then it makes a new .tar.gz |
| 12:21.37 | your_dog | ahhh, cool |
| 12:22.01 | scanline | 'tis one of captain_proton's contraptions :) |
| 12:22.09 | your_dog | hehe |
| 12:22.44 | your_dog | so which one would be the best to download? |
| 12:22.53 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 12:22.57 | your_dog | is one a lttle more stable than the other? |
| 12:23.10 | scanline | the one with the more recent date generally, unless you know of a specific problem |
| 12:23.25 | scanline | that would be the one at the bottom, timestamped 05:20 |
| 12:23.40 | your_dog | ok, thnx |
| 12:23.59 | your_dog | i'm fixin to start downloadin it, so i may be slow talking |
| 12:24.23 | scanline | hehe |
| 12:24.41 | scanline | if only there was a linux version of Protel... |
| 12:29.12 | larsl | Not just narrow - none of the special tank shapes are working. |
| 12:31.57 | CIA-3 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/BUGS: More info |
| 12:40.54 | scanline | computers took your heroes and encoded them in ones and zeroes |
| 12:41.00 | scanline | robots took your songs and sung them wrong, all wrong |
| 12:41.39 | scanline | let's stay alive, let's stay alive, let's stay alive, let's stay alive... |
| 12:41.40 | scanline | impossible! |
| 12:43.11 | triclops_pb | in sound.cxx why does openSound() take a char but never assign it to a var? |
| 12:44.54 | larsl | Line? |
| 12:45.05 | triclops_pb | 116 |
| 12:45.30 | larsl | Hm, we can't have the same version. |
| 12:45.35 | larsl | src/bzflag/sound.cxx? |
| 12:46.03 | triclops_pb | yeah |
| 12:46.08 | larsl | Latest CVS? |
| 12:46.12 | triclops_pb | not quite |
| 12:46.47 | triclops_pb | a day old me thinks |
| 12:46.51 | larsl | learner touched that file yesterday. I don't know what he changed. |
| 12:47.04 | triclops_pb | okay, maybe was that |
| 12:48.08 | scanline | electricity |
| 12:48.11 | scanline | it's in me |
| 13:01.17 | your_dog | i've downloaded the tar ball and unzipped it, what now? |
| 13:01.26 | your_dog | i don't c how to build it |
| 13:02.00 | larsl | ./autogen.sh; ./configure; make |
| 13:02.10 | your_dog | ahhh, ok, thnx |
| 13:02.43 | your_dog | i don't know that much about this :( |
| 13:02.54 | larsl | You need some dev tools for that (automake and autoconf). |
| 13:03.00 | your_dog | but ask me an auto motor question :) |
| 13:03.53 | your_dog | hehe |
| 13:04.02 | CIA-3 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/BUGS: Even more info |
| 13:05.00 | larsl | The only engines I've ever learned anything about are theoretical Carnot engines, and I've forgotten all about those. =) |
| 13:06.49 | your_dog | a single cylinder 4 stroke-cycle engine running at 3600 RPM has an expolsian in the combustion chamber 30 times a second :) |
| 13:06.51 | scanline | hehe |
| 13:07.13 | your_dog | hehe |
| 13:08.16 | scanline | with frictionless tires and a massless steering wheel |
| 13:08.26 | your_dog | lol |
| 13:09.25 | your_dog | your car running at 6000 RPM has an explosion 50 times a second |
| 13:09.40 | your_dog | that's kinda hard to imagine |
| 13:09.59 | your_dog | that's just in one cylinder |
| 13:10.21 | your_dog | and if your car is a V6...well, this isn't a car form :) |
| 13:10.28 | your_dog | so i'll b quiet now :) |
| 13:11.13 | your_dog | *car channel |
| 13:11.25 | scanline | your computer running at 1 GHz has a clock cycle 1 billion times a second |
| 13:11.28 | scanline | also kinda hard to imagine :) |
| 13:11.40 | your_dog | yes it is :) |
| 13:11.55 | your_dog | that's what our computer is (1 GHz) |
| 13:12.35 | scanline | clock cycles are a lot like explosions |
| 13:12.39 | scanline | both cause a lot of harm |
| 13:12.55 | scanline | and are loud |
| 13:13.07 | scanline | they're both important to the movie industry |
| 13:13.34 | your_dog | hehe |
| 13:13.49 | your_dog | i have to go eat some breakfast (yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw!) :) |
| 13:13.55 | larsl | I think my CPU fan is going insane. It's changing speed every two seconds. |
| 13:14.06 | scanline | nah, those are the gremlins |
| 13:14.11 | your_dog | i'll b back in a few minutes |
| 13:14.14 | scanline | gremlins like to change speed |
| 13:14.26 | triclops_pb | loud? my 1.25Ghz G4 AlBook makes no noise at all |
| 13:14.49 | scanline | triclops_pb: shhh, you're breaking my simile |
| 13:15.33 | triclops_pb | woops, sorry. never let a counter example get in the way of a generalisation |
| 13:15.39 | scanline | exactly! |
| 13:15.53 | scanline | and I never said the computers were loud, I said clock cycles are |
| 13:15.55 | scanline | big difference |
| 13:16.12 | scanline | each clock cycle actually involves a small army of hamsters changing state millions of times |
| 13:16.19 | scanline | and those plane tickets get expensive |
| 13:16.24 | scanline | so naturally they squeak a lot |
| 13:16.51 | scanline | that breaks a lot of FAA regulations |
| 13:17.14 | triclops_pb | PAA? |
| 13:17.28 | scanline | no, they don't care so much |
| 13:17.43 | triclops_pb | FAA |
| 13:17.59 | triclops_pb | hmm F and P look almost identical with this font |
| 13:20.11 | triclops_pb | what sort of plane are these hamsters taking that they can change state millions of time within 1 billionth of a second |
| 13:20.27 | triclops_pb | either they're fast or travel very short distances |
| 13:20.35 | scanline | both |
| 13:20.42 | scanline | I think they're patented by intel, or the FBI |
| 13:20.45 | scanline | maybe both |
| 13:21.11 | scanline | AMD's CPUs just train the hamsters to jump very well |
| 13:21.33 | scanline | this makes the hamsters hot and tired, hence the need for bigger fans on AMD's processors |
| 13:38.46 | your_dog | i'm switching computers, i'll brb |
| 13:39.11 | *** join/#bzflag your_dog (~jake@216-24-110-2.access.naxs.com) |
| 13:39.32 | your_dog | back |
| 13:44.29 | scanline | I got hit by a mink car, hit by a mink car driven by a guitar |
| 13:55.20 | CIA-3 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/include/TextUtils.h: Must cast currentChar to char, or tokenize() will just return tokens that are strings of numbers |
| 13:55.48 | your_dog | lol |
| 13:55.56 | your_dog | i just saw that, i've been playing bz |
| 13:56.09 | your_dog | the new textures are soooooo cool |
| 13:57.07 | larsl | your_dog: You saw the tokenize() bug? |
| 13:57.25 | your_dog | no, what is it? |
| 13:58.08 | larsl | Just an internal bug. It could have strange effects on the server messages etc, but most servers probably don't run that new code. |
| 13:58.19 | your_dog | oh, ok |
| 13:58.29 | your_dog | someone want to go play with me on quol? |
| 13:59.19 | your_dog | hehe, i'm more important ;) |
| 13:59.39 | your_dog | i'll give you some on quol :-D |
| 14:01.08 | your_dog | ok, well, i'm going to play some |
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| 14:04.38 | your_dog | oman, you want to play some on quol? |
| 14:04.45 | Oman | Yeah |
| 14:04.49 | Oman | 1.10 |
| 14:04.51 | your_dog | ok, i'm there |
| 14:04.56 | Oman | see ya there |
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| 15:50.58 | SportChick | ~weather klax |
| 15:54.22 | Chikorita | ~weather khgr |
| 15:55.06 | Chikorita | bleh :P |
| 15:57.12 | Chikorita | wish i was in da bahamas right bout now.. |
| 16:02.12 | Chikorita | ~weather mynn |
| 16:03.34 | Chikorita | ~weather tnca |
| 16:03.54 | Chikorita | mmmm |
| 16:04.33 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack pudding pop |
| 16:04.33 | | :), Chikorita |
| 16:04.37 | Chikorita | :) |
| 16:04.45 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:05.15 | Chikorita | scanline: good morning |
| 16:05.48 | scanline | mornin |
| 16:06.07 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 16:06.26 | Chikorita | o |
| 16:06.30 | Chikorita | bbl |
| 16:11.08 | *** part/#bzflag tup-one (tup-one@ppp-82-84-110-118.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 16:20.51 | Pimpinella | sf anoncvs is not accessable? |
| 16:21.04 | scanline | it's down for maintenance apparently |
| 16:21.14 | Pimpinella | ah |
| 16:21.14 | scanline | but there's sfsnap |
| 16:21.52 | Pimpinella | will get it there :) |
| 16:36.04 | SportChick | ibot: botsnack lemon square |
| 16:36.04 | | thanks, SportChick |
| 16:41.30 | SportChick | anyone wanna play for a couple of minutes on quol? |
| 16:41.59 | Chestal | has anybody seen Quol? |
| 16:42.29 | SportChick | I haven't, chestal |
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| 17:18.01 | Chestal | hmm: "src/geometry/Makefile.am:1: option `subdir-objects' not recognized" |
| 17:18.38 | michaelhhh | To have a "foggy spot" in bzflag, would you have to use volumetric fog? |
| 17:19.07 | michaelhhh | It seems like conventional fog would work if there was only 1 person on the field |
| 17:20.27 | scanline | michaelhhh: what are you talking about? |
| 17:20.43 | michaelhhh | If you wanted to put fog on the maps at certain designated locations |
| 17:21.12 | michaelhhh | So you for example couldn't always see the other players |
| 17:21.57 | michaelhhh | So if a player went into a "foggy spot" you couldn't see them for example.. or not easily |
| 17:22.30 | michaelhhh | My question is, is this as hard it seems like it might be? |
| 17:23.06 | michaelhhh | because you can obviously take the 1st person perspective and fog what that one player is seeing |
| 17:23.25 | michaelhhh | but to see someone else enter the fog? or be half way in and out of the fog? |
| 17:24.21 | scanline | fog basically just obscures objects based on distance from the camera... |
| 17:24.38 | scanline | so you'd turn on fog when your tank rolls into a foggy spot |
| 17:24.45 | scanline | then everything would be foggy, including other tanks |
| 17:25.21 | scanline | you only need more complex fog if you want the fog to be based on something other than just distance, like you want it to occupy a canyon or something |
| 17:25.44 | scanline | if you're outside the fog, you'd probably want to represent it with a cloud of translucent particles |
| 17:25.57 | michaelhhh | that was my question |
| 17:26.34 | michaelhhh | because obviously if you're outside of the foggy area you don't see fog anymore :) |
| 17:27.35 | michaelhhh | So what exactly is a particle .. <-- newbie |
| 17:27.47 | michaelhhh | is it just a 3d pixel? |
| 17:27.50 | scanline | it's a little thingy made of something :P |
| 17:28.11 | michaelhhh | I mean do you have to draw them the same way... |
| 17:28.13 | scanline | usually you draw particles as billboarded polygons, i.e. they always face toward the camera |
| 17:28.14 | michaelhhh | point to point to point |
| 17:28.28 | scanline | then you can stick textures on each particle |
| 17:28.50 | scanline | generally you also have some physics model determining the position of particles, though for fog they could be static |
| 17:29.15 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/pybzengine/sparks-n-smoke.png <-- particles |
| 17:29.26 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/pybzengine/warp-speed-at-dawn.png <-- more particles |
| 17:30.29 | michaelhhh | so is billboarded one of the projections then? |
| 17:30.47 | scanline | no |
| 17:31.10 | michaelhhh | it's position is just always computed to face the camera? |
| 17:31.20 | scanline | there are some OpenGL extensions to do billboarding in hardware, but usually you represent the particle with a center point and a side, then calculate the actual vertices so it points at the camera |
| 17:31.53 | scanline | s/side/size/ |
| 17:32.01 | michaelhhh | ooh cool so we could make rain |
| 17:32.10 | scanline | yeah. bzflag 1.8 had that |
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| 17:44.42 | Grumbler | i guess anonymous CO from SF have changed over the last month.....ug |
| 17:44.52 | scanline | Grumbler: no, it's just down |
| 17:45.03 | michaelhhh | heh |
| 17:45.41 | Grumbler | oh....well, that would explain it to |
| 17:45.48 | michaelhhh | Could you create like a one account and hand it to trusted people w/o ssh access? |
| 17:45.54 | scanline | no |
| 17:45.59 | scanline | there's a reason sfsnap is set up |
| 17:46.01 | michaelhhh | bad idea? |
| 17:46.15 | Grumbler | so if i have ssh access I can do a CO |
| 17:46.28 | michaelhhh | they would have to give you cvs access |
| 17:46.46 | michaelhhh | hhmmm |
| 17:47.04 | scanline | er, sighs.. |
| 17:47.07 | scanline | just use sfsnap |
| 17:47.14 | Grumbler | "they" = bz developer, "they" = SF people? |
| 17:47.24 | scanline | they = tim or captain_proton |
| 17:47.26 | Nidhoggr | I'm getting a lot of EOF with non-anon sf cvs today |
| 17:47.31 | scanline | ... |
| 17:47.34 | scanline | Nidhoggr: it's down.. |
| 17:47.46 | michaelhhh | both down? |
| 17:47.52 | *** topic/#bzflag by scanline -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/16/0119206 || time to release v1.10.4 so test, test, test || Sourceforge anoncvs is down for maintenance, use sfsnap |
| 17:48.11 | Grumbler | :) |
| 17:48.16 | michaelhhh | so what is this cvs thing all about? |
| 17:48.19 | scanline | great 3rd person grammar you have... |
| 17:48.44 | Grumbler | fingers have a mind of their own |
| 17:48.57 | michaelhhh | I'll just have to apply some fog here and clear it all up |
| 17:49.26 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr, did you like Waterdecks as a rabbit hunt? |
| 17:49.53 | Nidhoggr | don't think I've tried it for rabbit. |
| 17:50.02 | Nidhoggr | it seems like it'd be really godo |
| 17:50.03 | Nidhoggr | good |
| 17:50.13 | Nidhoggr | all the hidey spots. |
| 17:50.29 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr, ohh, i saw a mandrake......made a bad assumption |
| 17:50.33 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 17:50.56 | Nidhoggr | someone is using some mandrake callsign on sp too |
| 17:51.10 | Nidhoggr | saw them a few times. |
| 17:55.52 | Chestal | someone knows a thign about autoconf/automake? |
| 17:56.16 | michaelhhh | not moi |
| 17:56.34 | michaelhhh | have to find the automake wizzard |
| 17:57.48 | CIA-3 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/geometry/models/tank/ (- New directory): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/src/geometry/models/tank added to the repository |
| 17:59.13 | michaelhhh | moving the models? |
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| 18:05.44 | Adam | hey ppl |
| 18:05.51 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:05.53 | Noodleman | hey hey hey |
| 18:05.59 | Adam | whats new? |
| 18:06.31 | Adam | i slept for like 12 hours so im in a cherry disposition |
| 18:08.19 | michaelhhh | or at least you will be until you can't get to sleep tonight |
| 18:08.32 | learner | ~dict cherry |
| 18:09.21 | michaelhhh | ~dict learner |
| 18:09.39 | michaelhhh | ~dict ibot |
| 18:09.39 | Chestal | learner: ah, there you are :-) |
| 18:09.55 | Chestal | learner: automake1.4 cannot handle bzflag anymore? |
| 18:12.46 | CIA-3 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/geometry/models/ (35 files in 5 dirs): moved models to src/geometry/tank/. in order to group them all together, renamed files using model quality so that they can be linked without requiring automake to use subdir-objects |
| 18:13.09 | CIA-3 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/geometry/Makefile.am: moved models to src/geometry/tank/. in order to group them all together, renamed files using model quality so that they can be linked without requiring automake to use subdir-objects |
| 18:13.45 | Chestal | learner: ah, does that mean that 1.4 will work again soon? :-) |
| 18:14.11 | Chestal | now that I finally found out how to force it to use the new autotools and how to giev them a config.cache |
| 18:14.11 | CIA-3 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.in: no more separate model dirs. should be all better now chestal ;) |
| 18:14.59 | learner | ... :) |
| 18:15.08 | learner | it should work now |
| 18:15.19 | Chestal | problem is that I have to force it to use gcc 2.95 instead of 3.3 |
| 18:15.28 | Chestal | because I am partially 'cross-compiling' |
| 18:15.43 | Nidhoggr | I thought cvs was broken? |
| 18:15.54 | Chestal | obviously the new autoconf doesn't create a config.cache by default, soI had tocall it with -C |
| 18:16.03 | Chestal | dev cvs works fine for me |
| 18:16.12 | learner | cvs was being a little pissy for me, but it works |
| 18:16.15 | Nidhoggr | I'm getting EOF errors with dev |
| 18:16.22 | learner | just keep trying |
| 18:16.25 | Chestal | src/geometry/Makefile.am: not supported: source file `models/tank/high_barrel.cxx' is in subdirectory |
| 18:16.25 | Nidhoggr | I'll keep trying |
| 18:16.27 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:16.38 | learner | eek, chestal :*( |
| 18:17.00 | learner | hrm |
| 18:17.10 | learner | there has to be a way to do that with that version.. |
| 18:17.14 | Chestal | hmm, somethign is wrong here |
| 18:17.52 | Chestal | src/geometry/models/hitank/ still exists? |
| 18:18.41 | learner | update -dP? |
| 18:18.56 | Chestal | did -PdA |
| 18:19.08 | Chestal | ah |
| 18:19.13 | Chestal | it contains the generated files only |
| 18:19.46 | learner | maybe your cvs wouldn't prune because you have turds in there |
| 18:20.42 | Chestal | maybe, the turds were Makefile and Makefile.in |
| 18:21.02 | michaelhhh | hmmmmmmm turds |
| 18:21.02 | learner | well.. chestal, we could move the models all the way up to geometry, or have them build their own .a that gets linked into libGeometry |
| 18:21.16 | learner | moving the models up seems messy to me |
| 18:21.19 | Chestal | I actualyl ahve newer automake here, but the Debian AI scripts decides to use 1.4 for bzflag |
| 18:21.21 | learner | but is a quick fix |
| 18:21.36 | Chestal | mayeb this is because of those deprecated things in there that 1.9 always complains about? |
| 18:21.51 | learner | probably |
| 18:21.56 | Chestal | but AFAIK we decided to support 1.4 anyway |
| 18:22.00 | learner | or just the fact that we don't have a require version command |
| 18:22.15 | Adam | ~dict shamble |
| 18:23.44 | learner | chestal, preference on those two solutions? or shall i keep digging for a third solution? |
| 18:24.19 | Chestal | learner: maybe also think of the narrow etc. bug? This is related to the changes to these files, isn't it? |
| 18:24.36 | learner | narrow bug? |
| 18:24.54 | Chestal | narrow, obesity (and probably thief) now look normal |
| 18:25.12 | learner | hrm.. perhaps |
| 18:25.13 | Chestal | I only read what is in BUGS, sounds like the former code used macros to make this work |
| 18:25.39 | Adam | dose anyone have bzedit (any version)? |
| 18:33.47 | Nidhoggr | yes, adam. why? |
| 18:34.15 | Adam | could u dcc it to me please? |
| 18:34.43 | Adam | are u on windows? |
| 18:34.47 | Nidhoggr | why not just download it? |
| 18:34.54 | Adam | from where pratell |
| 18:34.59 | Nidhoggr | ~bzedit |
| 18:35.01 | | [bzedit] http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 18:35.01 | Adam | all the links are down... |
| 18:35.07 | Nidhoggr | artemisgames one |
| 18:35.22 | Nidhoggr | I don't have the install.. just the installed version. |
| 18:35.30 | Adam | works* |
| 18:36.00 | Nidhoggr | it's working for me. just slow. |
| 18:36.08 | Adam | http://www.bakadigital.com/BZ/edit/BZE_1.6.1_Installer.exe |
| 18:36.12 | Adam | nope |
| 18:36.36 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 18:36.37 | Adam | u getting it? |
| 18:36.45 | Adam | 404.. |
| 18:36.47 | Nidhoggr | I just pulled up the page. |
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| 18:37.16 | Adam | do u have it? could u dcc it? |
| 18:37.24 | Nidhoggr | trying to get it. |
| 18:37.29 | Adam | k |
| 18:38.01 | Nidhoggr | it's timing out. |
| 18:38.23 | Nidhoggr | you probably need to hollar at patlabor221 when he shows up. |
| 18:38.56 | Adam | ya? |
| 18:39.00 | Adam | ok i will... |
| 18:39.09 | Tupone | head_exploding: worst heh? |
| 18:39.19 | head_exploding | aweful :( |
| 18:39.20 | Adam | ~seen patlabor221 |
| 18:39.24 | | patlabor221 <~JeffM@adsl-64-167-79-227.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 7h 45m 10s ago, saying: 'see ya all later'. |
| 18:40.16 | Nidhoggr | learner, why the big headache? sinuses? tension? |
| 18:40.28 | head_exploding | i am rather ill |
| 18:40.36 | Nidhoggr | flu? |
| 18:40.38 | head_exploding | sinus pressure |
| 18:40.41 | head_exploding | probably |
| 18:40.42 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 18:40.43 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 18:40.49 | Nidhoggr | 2 of us at our house have that right now. |
| 18:41.55 | head_exploding | used up all the dayquil... |
| 18:42.06 | Nidhoggr | time to get some more. |
| 18:42.18 | yoyox | ~bzlist |
| 18:42.53 | yoyox | ~respect ibot ;P |
| 18:43.07 | Nidhoggr | ~bzflist |
| 18:43.13 | yoyox | Ops. |
| 18:43.17 | yoyox | Nidhoggr: Thanks. |
| 18:43.23 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:44.12 | head_exploding | tupone/chestal: i had an interesting chat with knightmare yesterday regarding his server reporting incorrect counts to the list server |
| 18:44.23 | Tupone | what he says |
| 18:45.01 | Chestal | hi yoyox, seen Quol lately? |
| 18:45.03 | head_exploding | not only did he admit to it, but he said he would continue to, and threatened to "take the whole thing down" if we tried to do anything about it |
| 18:45.09 | yoyox | Chestal: Hi. |
| 18:45.16 | yoyox | Quol is detached :( |
| 18:45.23 | head_exploding | then he started spouting about how he was going to teach others as well |
| 18:45.29 | Nidhoggr | he's such a weenie. can't we contact his ISP and report him? |
| 18:45.34 | yoyox | ~seen Quol |
| 18:45.37 | | quol <~quolsimo@65.39.216.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 14h 23m 33s ago, saying: 'MrApathyCream: so no updates then - it may still be broken??'. |
| 18:45.37 | head_exploding | nah |
| 18:46.09 | Chestal | I want Quol to upadte his servers |
| 18:46.10 | head_exploding | I'd say just set up the list server to block certain servers/ip addresses |
| 18:46.18 | Chestal | and ask him about that requireidentify thing |
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| 18:46.29 | Nidhoggr | probably a good idea. |
| 18:46.35 | Nidhoggr | hi larsl |
| 18:46.40 | head_exploding | we could add a simple ban table into the list server |
| 18:46.47 | larsl | Hello. |
| 18:47.02 | Chestal | make the lsit server only report that server to knighmare's client IP :-) |
| 18:47.08 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 18:47.29 | Nidhoggr | I wonder if the reason he is so down on my server, etc., is jealousy. |
| 18:47.38 | Chestal | I could also run 2 dozen bzadmins on his server all the time |
| 18:47.44 | Tupone | we need a server authentication |
| 18:47.56 | larsl | What are you talking about? |
| 18:48.01 | Chestal | what kind of lien does his server have? |
| 18:48.18 | Tupone | larsl: nightmare server |
| 18:48.24 | Nidhoggr | larsl K*****M*** |
| 18:48.55 | Tupone | we should have anonymous server and registered one |
| 18:49.05 | Adam | why?... |
| 18:49.14 | Nidhoggr | he started doing that after we removed his ability to hack the server list. |
| 18:49.17 | Chestal | so, anyomne else with bzadmin problems besides me? |
| 18:49.30 | larsl | Chestal: Still no text in the curses UI? |
| 18:49.32 | head_exploding | i'd still want to set up a banlist just to keep the social abusers in check |
| 18:49.34 | Nidhoggr | dunno.. can't get newest dev cvs right now. |
| 18:50.11 | head_exploding | if we had access to the list server box itself, i'd just put a firewall block manually, but alas |
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| 18:50.48 | Adam | what u guys need is the ability to to kill a users ability to speak that way he wont be able to... |
| 18:51.31 | Chestal | larsl: do you have any idea how we can debug my problem? |
| 18:51.52 | Chestal | larsl: still all blank |
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| 18:52.40 | larsl | Chestal: If it works with -stdboth the problem should be in the curses UI. Try adding some debug output to stderr in CursesUI::outputMessage(), or set a breakpoint there and run it in gdb. |
| 18:52.41 | Chestal | larsl: but just to let me be sure, I'll do a fresh co and build |
| 18:53.14 | Chestal | larsl: 2 days ago I addes some debug output there; IIRC the text comes in there alright |
| 18:53.23 | head_exploding | i personally don't mind him running a modified/cheat server -- it's his own playground for him to do as he pleases. but he has no right to modify the server rankings for his own benefit or amusement. |
| 18:54.19 | Nidhoggr | personally, it doesn't really bother me, which he is hoping it would. The community, in general, knows that I make a contribution of sorts, and that's all that matter. |
| 18:54.21 | Tupone | if we put authentication on, we could give a list of rated sites, and unrated |
| 18:54.23 | Nidhoggr | *matters |
| 18:54.51 | Nidhoggr | he's gunna be really annoyed when my new dedicated bzflag server arrives. :) |
| 18:55.18 | michaelhhh | You could run a script which attaches x bzadmin clients to make up for the difference |
| 18:55.58 | head_exploding | tupone: even with authenticated and anonymous, his server will report incorrectly. i don't think that should be allowed regardless. |
| 18:56.16 | head_exploding | still need ability to punish |
| 18:56.45 | Tupone | he can report anything, we just put on a second page all unrated |
| 18:56.52 | Adam | i found a bug.... |
| 18:57.05 | Tupone | N tank? |
| 18:57.11 | Adam | yes |
| 18:57.16 | michaelhhh | What about narrow tanks? |
| 18:57.21 | head_exploding | what's to stop him from registering his site and still report incorrectly? |
| 18:57.30 | Nidhoggr | I switched to regular cvs in cygwin, and it works fine. bug in wincvs |
| 18:57.47 | Adam | when it crashes it sets my monitors/mraphics card brightness to a WAY TO HIGH setting... |
| 18:57.49 | larsl | Tupone: Did you see my comments about that bug in BUGS? |
| 18:57.58 | Tupone | yeah, I saw |
| 18:58.00 | *** part/#bzflag ThX (~kts@14.52-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 18:58.18 | michaelhhh | well adam, perhaps it shouldn't crash :) |
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| 18:58.21 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 18:58.26 | Chestal | there he is |
| 18:58.31 | Tupone | michaelhhh: N tank are now normal tank |
| 18:58.32 | Chestal | he, which broke the narrow :-) |
| 18:58.33 | head_exploding | there's the guy |
| 18:58.43 | Nidhoggr | fix our narrow tanks! |
| 18:58.44 | Nidhoggr | ;) |
| 18:58.57 | head_exploding | mornin' patlabor |
| 18:59.17 | Nidhoggr | good morning patlabor221 |
| 18:59.31 | Patlabor221 | hallo |
| 18:59.36 | Patlabor221 | how goes it |
| 18:59.41 | larsl | Chestal: Which GCC version did you use? |
| 18:59.43 | Chestal | larsl: frech build, problem persists,will add some debug stuff |
| 18:59.45 | head_exploding | i feel like sht |
| 18:59.45 | Tupone | apart the tank rendering |
| 18:59.47 | larsl | Hello Patlabor221. |
| 18:59.47 | Tupone | good |
| 18:59.55 | Chestal | larsl: on one box2.95, on other 3.3 |
| 18:59.57 | Patlabor221 | n tanks didnt change |
| 19:00.00 | larsl | Hm. |
| 19:00.15 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 19:00.23 | Chestal | larsl: both boxes are unstable debian with similiar lib versions |
| 19:00.53 | Patlabor221 | the scale #def |
| 19:01.03 | larsl | Chestal: They might not be initializing scrollOffset to 0 - I don't know if should or if that's unspecified behaviour. |
| 19:01.08 | larsl | I can initialise it explicitly. |
| 19:01.24 | larsl | Although I have 3.3. |
| 19:01.40 | Chestal | larsl: depends on where the variable lives |
| 19:01.44 | larsl | Member variable. |
| 19:02.02 | Chestal | then your ctor must init it |
| 19:02.09 | larsl | OK, doing that... |
| 19:02.13 | CIA-3 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/CursesUI.cxx: Initialize scrollOffset explicitly to 0 |
| 19:02.24 | Chestal | otherwise it wil be default-initialized whichis a noop for integral types |
| 19:02.38 | larsl | OK. |
| 19:02.44 | Chestal | at least Ibelieve it is :-) |
| 19:02.46 | larsl | If that was the problem it should work now. |
| 19:03.01 | Patlabor221 | I'm guessing tiny, and all the other tank sizes are busted too? |
| 19:03.05 | head_exploding | larsl, I have a bunch of changes to CursesUI.cxx that were needed to make it compile on irix. mostly ncurses vs. curses stuff. |
| 19:03.06 | larsl | Patlabor221: Yes. |
| 19:03.12 | Chestal | oh, I see colours |
| 19:03.20 | larsl | Chestal: Woohoo. =) |
| 19:03.23 | Patlabor221 | k I think I know why |
| 19:03.29 | Patlabor221 | let me take a looksee |
| 19:03.50 | larsl | Patlabor221: They use the real glVertex3f and glNormal3f instead of the modified ones in TankRenderNode. |
| 19:03.52 | Chestal | hmm, it doesn't tab-complete my password ;-) |
| 19:04.03 | larsl | Chestal: Tell me what it is and I'll add it. =) |
| 19:04.12 | Chestal | it segfaults on /playerlist |
| 19:04.37 | larsl | Hm, |
| 19:04.38 | larsl | . |
| 19:04.45 | Chestal | after I became admin |
| 19:05.10 | larsl | Must be the parsing (BZAdminClient::getServerString(), MsgMessage case). |
| 19:05.11 | Patlabor221 | yes I know that now |
| 19:05.13 | Patlabor221 | I am working on it |
| 19:05.36 | michaelhhh | why is the flag like way over the tank? |
| 19:05.44 | michaelhhh | it's like 5 feet above the tank |
| 19:06.23 | larsl | Sounds like someone changed a BZDB variable. |
| 19:06.51 | CIA-3 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/geometry/ (Makefile.am models/Makefile.am models/tank/Makefile.am): okay.. one more time with effort for the old automake users that don't like SOURCES in subdirs. make a temp archive of the tank models and link the geometry library with it. |
| 19:07.38 | head_exploding | chestal: give that a try, if you would |
| 19:08.10 | Chestal | head: hmm, I'm a bit scared, will take me 15 minutes to get a workign bzflag if it won't (and if it does,too :-) |
| 19:08.24 | head_exploding | heh |
| 19:08.46 | head_exploding | 15 min? you can just go to src/geometry ; make clean ; make |
| 19:08.54 | head_exploding | er, never mind |
| 19:09.02 | head_exploding | ya te entiendo :) |
| 19:09.21 | Patlabor221 | ok have a posible simple fix, testing it now |
| 19:09.40 | Tupone | head_exploding: config.status: error: cannot find input file: src/geometry/models/tank/Makefile.in - is it from you? |
| 19:09.53 | head_exploding | had to run automake again |
| 19:10.35 | head_exploding | s/had/you need/ |
| 19:11.08 | Patlabor221 | what is Tinys flag name? just T? |
| 19:11.12 | larsl | Mmm, Portishead. |
| 19:11.25 | Nidhoggr | yes, pat |
| 19:11.28 | Nidhoggr | T |
| 19:11.45 | Tupone | portishead: what does it mean now portishead ? |
| 19:12.13 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (~MAC@core-balt-5-41.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 19:12.14 | portishead | music.. trying to sooth my head with music |
| 19:12.29 | portishead | yay |
| 19:12.36 | portishead | almost every's here now :) |
| 19:12.49 | Patlabor221 | what is wrong with this CLI? |
| 19:12.50 | Patlabor221 | bzfs.exe" -ms 5 -j +r -t +f PZ +f T +f N +f O |
| 19:13.16 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage_ (strayer@dyn216-8-132-184.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 19:13.40 | portishead | Patlabor221: that works for me |
| 19:13.47 | portishead | cept for your quote there |
| 19:14.07 | Patlabor221 | well that's cus its in a shortcut there is more before the bzfs.exe |
| 19:14.17 | portishead | i figured..just making sure :) |
| 19:14.37 | Patlabor221 | hmmm didn't like +f O |
| 19:15.06 | portishead | perhaps s/0/O/ ? |
| 19:15.33 | portishead | but I assume no, if that was copy-pasted verbatim |
| 19:15.57 | Patlabor221 | it was pulled right outa the shortcut |
| 19:16.00 | Patlabor221 | ohh well |
| 19:16.14 | Patlabor221 | if tiny and narrow work then the others will too |
| 19:16.27 | Chestal | hmm, +f O should work |
| 19:16.38 | Patlabor221 | if it does work we can get rid of the #def glVerted |
| 19:17.04 | Tupone | ../geometry/libGeometry.a(TankSceneNode.o)(.text+0x3261): In function `TankScene |
| 19:17.04 | Tupone | Node::LowTankRenderNode::makeBody()': |
| 19:17.04 | Tupone | : undefined reference to `buildLowBody()' |
| 19:17.22 | michaelhhh | we only need the turret anyway |
| 19:17.24 | Tupone | portishead: ? |
| 19:17.29 | Chestal | larsl: can I already filter the kill messages? |
| 19:17.32 | portishead | tupone, did you re-run autogen.sh and configure? |
| 19:17.32 | Patlabor221 | check your makefile |
| 19:17.41 | Tupone | yeah |
| 19:17.45 | portishead | hrm |
| 19:17.50 | larsl | Chestal: Filter? |
| 19:18.03 | michaelhhh | so is bzflag currently super-fubared ? |
| 19:18.05 | larsl | You can turn them on and off with the -show and -hide options. |
| 19:18.08 | Tupone | portishead: but I build on a separate directory |
| 19:18.19 | portishead | that shouldn't matter, afaik |
| 19:18.20 | Chestal | larsl: yes, that's what I mean. No way to change it while running I assume? |
| 19:18.38 | larsl | Chestal: Not right now - I'm planning to add it though. |
| 19:19.01 | portishead | tupone: i had to make clean src/geometry since there was alreadya .a there |
| 19:19.51 | david_v | Quol: ! |
| 19:19.53 | david_v | Quol: match ;) |
| 19:20.02 | Quol | is yoyo around? |
| 19:20.07 | Nidhoggr | new changes to bzadmin are awesome. |
| 19:20.09 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:20.11 | *** join/#bzflag Adam (Adam@edtntnt3-port-420.dial.telus.net) |
| 19:20.16 | portishead | chestal's looking for you too, Q -- howdy |
| 19:20.19 | david_v | Quol: i dunno. he didn't reply to my PM yet. but somebody said he was here a while ago |
| 19:20.44 | Quol | he's not on ICQ/jabber... |
| 19:20.45 | yoyox | Quol: Hello;-) |
| 19:20.48 | david_v | ~seen yoyox |
| 19:20.51 | | yoyox is currently on #bzflag (2d 25m 38s). Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 6s |
| 19:20.51 | david_v | oh |
| 19:20.53 | david_v | lol |
| 19:21.02 | Chestal | hi Quol |
| 19:21.06 | Quol | hey Chestal |
| 19:21.07 | yoyox | Bu -) |
| 19:21.10 | Quol | how r ya? |
| 19:21.15 | Chestal | Quol: you had problems with requireidentify? |
| 19:21.17 | Quol | he there yoyo :) |
| 19:21.24 | Quol | Chestal - ya |
| 19:21.31 | Chestal | Quol: only as an admin? |
| 19:21.37 | Quol | Chestal: there a fix yet? |
| 19:21.40 | Carnage_ | quol |
| 19:21.44 | Chestal | right now it's so that admins must identify always |
| 19:21.48 | Carnage_ | can me and u play poland |
| 19:21.54 | Chestal | all other players do nothave to by default |
| 19:21.55 | yoyox | ~seen yoyox |
| 19:21.56 | | yoyox is currently on #bzflag (2d 26m 43s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 1s |
| 19:22.00 | yoyox | Pff. |
| 19:22.06 | Quol | Chestal: that might make sense |
| 19:22.23 | Chestal | on my server I am the only admin |
| 19:22.25 | Quol | Chestal: but I did test using a bogus user account - same thing |
| 19:22.30 | david_v | Carnage_: i asked earlier though :) |
| 19:22.34 | Chestal | others are in groups liek ref and cop and can play unidentified |
| 19:22.46 | Chestal | Quol: hmm, that should not happen |
| 19:22.50 | david_v | Carnage_: i would need to take it now due to timezones |
| 19:22.52 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, medtank/barrel.cxx and hitank/barrel.cxx are both configured to produce the output file release/barrel.obj |
| 19:22.58 | Chestal | Quol: what exactly happened? Player got kicked when he tried to spawn? |
| 19:23.16 | portishead | MrApathyCream: those directories were removed |
| 19:23.25 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 19:23.27 | Patlabor221 | learner, I am just going to conbine them all |
| 19:23.27 | Quol | Chestal: ya - that's about right |
| 19:23.29 | Patlabor221 | this is lame |
| 19:23.38 | Patlabor221 | everyone is having problems |
| 19:23.40 | Quol | Chestal: I tried to overide it with the group files - didn't work though |
| 19:23.45 | portishead | combine them? |
| 19:23.51 | Patlabor221 | yeah, hightank.cpp |
| 19:23.56 | Patlabor221 | lowtank.cpp |
| 19:24.04 | Patlabor221 | and that has all the parts in functions |
| 19:24.11 | Chestal | Quol: it works for me, i.e. I have to identify but others don't |
| 19:24.13 | Patlabor221 | none of this subdir |
| 19:24.19 | Patlabor221 | none of this files with the same name |
| 19:24.20 | Chestal | Quol: can you give it another try with the current version? |
| 19:24.24 | Patlabor221 | will make ti a lot easyer |
| 19:24.34 | portishead | ah, yea, that's fine -- that doesn't change the behaviour, though |
| 19:24.37 | Chestal | Quol: your old servers have the IMHO bad spawning, not suitable for matches |
| 19:24.39 | MrApathyCream | so delete the models directory? |
| 19:24.41 | Quol | Chestal: I will compile this afternoon from current CVS and tryt |
| 19:24.47 | portishead | patlabor: the files were renamed already |
| 19:24.56 | portishead | there are high_.. medium_.. low_... files |
| 19:25.01 | Chestal | my group file does not contain requireidentify |
| 19:25.03 | portishead | in src/geometry/tank/. |
| 19:25.05 | david_v | Quol: i think we're in a bit of a hurry, is it possible to match right now? |
| 19:25.05 | Chestal | I haven't changed them |
| 19:25.10 | Quol | Chestal: the tournament server is CVS from the 15th - that should be better |
| 19:25.23 | Chestal | Quol: ah, that might be, have only tried the public one |
| 19:25.30 | portishead | er, src/geometry/models/tank/ |
| 19:25.37 | Patlabor221 | ahh no wonder my stuff dosn't work |
| 19:25.38 | Quol | Chestal: I had issues with CVS though and the server dying with some 10.2 clients? |
| 19:25.48 | portishead | sorry, pat |
| 19:25.53 | Patlabor221 | portishead: the windows files were not updated, thanks |
| 19:25.55 | portishead | shoulda said that |
| 19:26.02 | Patlabor221 | MAC, just hold on a sec we need to update |
| 19:26.11 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 19:26.28 | Chestal | Quol: I didn't experience any problems |
| 19:26.34 | Patlabor221 | after I tried to make there makefiles work :) |
| 19:26.44 | Chestal | Quol: of course there have been some bugs now and then, maybe you were unlucky to co at the wrong point of time |
| 19:26.50 | Patlabor221 | not my fault your sily compiler can't have a source file in a sub dir :) |
| 19:27.21 | portishead | it can, but chestal's got an old automake |
| 19:27.40 | Quol | Chestal: I am going to match fortix - but the IRC logs for wednesday I think have a conversation on xmission and my server crashing with a message trying to connect to the server - something about bad response trying to get flag info or something.. |
| 19:27.46 | portishead | and tim doesn't want to up the requirement beyond 5 years ago |
| 19:27.54 | Chestal | Quol: yes, there was something |
| 19:28.20 | Patlabor221 | I wonder if the person who did all the modeling knew that the way they did it woudl cause this much pain |
| 19:28.22 | Chestal | wel, as long as we support VC6, we can support other ancient software,too :-) |
| 19:28.33 | Patlabor221 | hey it can take a sub dir |
| 19:28.41 | Patlabor221 | and I'm fine for killing VC6 |
| 19:28.44 | Chestal | but it cannot take C++ stuff from 8 years ago |
| 19:29.06 | Patlabor221 | depends what update you have |
| 19:29.18 | Patlabor221 | want me to just can the entire windows version? |
| 19:29.23 | Chestal | well, the famour for (int i=0; :-) |
| 19:29.25 | Patlabor221 | would that make it easyer? |
| 19:29.43 | portishead | is it a pretty can? |
| 19:29.48 | Chestal | anyway, I am fine with requiring a newer automakeversion |
| 19:30.01 | Chestal | but I think Tim insisted on 1.4 |
| 19:30.15 | portishead | chestal: there is one last resort that _will work |
| 19:30.36 | portishead | i just want to try to get it to work without resorting to that first |
| 19:30.52 | david_v | Chestal: did you mix up 5156 and 59998? seems like the 5x5 is on 59998 :D |
| 19:30.55 | CIA-3 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/ (VC6/geometry.dsp VC71/geometry.vcproj): use the right tank geo this time. |
| 19:31.02 | david_v | Chestal: we're going to match, so it would be helpful if you can try and fix |
| 19:31.07 | Chestal | portis: shall I try again? |
| 19:31.23 | Chestal | david_v: ah,uhm, I frogot to add the newoption to both of them |
| 19:31.28 | david_v | Chestal: :) |
| 19:31.30 | Chestal | david_v: shall I restart? |
| 19:31.40 | david_v | Chestal: in exactly one minute if you can. thanks |
| 19:31.43 | Chestal | ifso, getthose peopel off my server :-) |
| 19:31.55 | Chestal | at least of the 59998 one |
| 19:31.58 | portishead | someone recently add class Marker to src/bzflag/? |
| 19:32.13 | david_v | Chestal: just restart. i told 'em :) |
| 19:32.16 | Chestal | MAC moved some HUD marker class around |
| 19:32.22 | MrApathyCream | portishead: is was changed from internal class to external |
| 19:32.28 | MrApathyCream | to support VC5 |
| 19:32.35 | portishead | ah, that is a namespace conflict here :) |
| 19:32.48 | Chestal | david_v: ok, try again |
| 19:32.49 | MrApathyCream | change it to HUDMarker then |
| 19:33.04 | Chestal | VC5B? |
| 19:33.05 | david_v | Chestal: hmm i don't see any diff |
| 19:33.16 | Chestal | hmm |
| 19:33.40 | MrApathyCream | DTRemenak, et al, use VC5 |
| 19:34.06 | david_v | Chestal: if there is a code problem we'll just try some superkills... i guess we can make it |
| 19:34.11 | Chestal | david_v: my fault, try again :-) |
| 19:34.15 | david_v | Chestal: ah ok |
| 19:34.25 | david_v | Chestal: great thx |
| 19:34.28 | david_v | bbl |
| 19:34.46 | Chestal | wow, that must be liek using gcc 2.7 |
| 19:35.08 | Chestal | which I did 6 or 7 years ago |
| 19:35.16 | CIA-3 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx HUDRenderer.h): class Marker conflicts with a system sound class on mac os x |
| 19:36.27 | Chestal | larsl: what exactly does -show do? add to the default messages or does it start from nil? |
| 19:36.44 | Chestal | larsl: e.g., when I only do -show chat, should I seejoin messages? |
| 19:37.15 | portishead | any irix c++ stl gurus have any ideas on how to get this link to work http://brlcad.org/tmp/bzfs.log ? |
| 19:37.36 | Patlabor221 | ok one more try |
| 19:37.50 | larsl | Chestal: Yes. There is a set of message types that are shown by default. |
| 19:37.55 | portishead | Chestal: don't bother trying yet.. still b0rkaged |
| 19:37.57 | larsl | -show adds to that set, -hide removes. |
| 19:38.01 | portishead | with automake/that is |
| 19:38.07 | larsl | The default ones are listed in the man page. |
| 19:38.55 | Chestal | portis: can you compile+link a simple application using some STL containers? |
| 19:39.10 | portishead | yes |
| 19:39.10 | Chestal | larsl: ok, thanks, so I use -hide to get rid of killed messages |
| 19:39.17 | larsl | Yes. |
| 19:39.51 | Adam | hwo do yuo get rid of kill messages... |
| 19:39.53 | portishead | the errors look, to me, like there are issues accessing/using the stl from within template classes (notice most of the errors are singleton classes) |
| 19:40.40 | Chestal | it's all in libcommon.a if I see it correctly |
| 19:40.45 | MrApathyCream | it now piles on the bz platform of choice |
| 19:41.26 | portishead | you got it to build on BeOS?! shweet! |
| 19:41.41 | Adam | lol that could be cool... |
| 19:41.47 | CIA-3 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (17 files in 3 dirs): |
| 19:41.49 | CIA-3 | use a horible cheese hack to fix the horible scaling system for tanks. |
| 19:41.51 | Adam | would* |
| 19:41.51 | CIA-3 | still uses a #define on an Open GL call, C++ my ass. |
| 19:42.26 | portishead | Adam, mmu_man was really close to getting it to work, but he cheesed off |
| 19:42.35 | larsl | As long as it works... it can hardly be worse than the previous method. |
| 19:42.45 | portishead | Mmmm.. cheese |
| 19:43.10 | portishead | wtf, it's not combining archive symbols |
| 19:44.03 | Patlabor221 | well go ahead and test that out yall |
| 19:44.24 | Patlabor221 | if the flags are misaligned it may be because it's not using the right scale |
| 19:44.29 | Patlabor221 | but I left the old scale code in there |
| 19:44.42 | Patlabor221 | so if it used the sysetem that changed it shoudl work |
| 19:45.10 | portishead | larsl, it'll presently fail for make .. |
| 19:45.22 | larsl | Do we have a way to turn off the grid on the ground? |
| 19:45.28 | mmu_man | portishead the BeOS port is quite frozen because |
| 19:45.32 | Patlabor221 | not that I know of |
| 19:45.51 | mmu_man | 1) the new GL stack causes lots of debugging problem and I think it's buggy |
| 19:45.58 | mmu_man | 2) I plan on porting DRI to BeOS |
| 19:45.59 | Patlabor221 | stack? |
| 19:46.17 | portishead | the beos stack? |
| 19:46.22 | mmu_man | yeah |
| 19:46.23 | larsl | portishead: So it does. |
| 19:46.28 | mmu_man | the Dano one exactly |
| 19:46.34 | mmu_man | which has a different API btw |
| 19:46.41 | Patlabor221 | mmu_man: if I can finish my GL changes in BZ it should make it easy for you, there will be one place where we start all GL calls, and one place where it ends |
| 19:46.46 | portishead | Dano? |
| 19:47.00 | mmu_man | Patlabor221 ah that's a great news ! |
| 19:47.01 | portishead | not the GL2 lib? |
| 19:47.07 | mmu_man | yep that one |
| 19:47.09 | mmu_man | GL2 |
| 19:47.12 | portishead | ah |
| 19:47.26 | portishead | I'd read that it should mostly work .. hrmph. |
| 19:47.52 | Patlabor221 | hmm where does the flag get put onto the tank? |
| 19:47.59 | Patlabor221 | is there a BZDB item I can search for? |
| 19:49.57 | portishead | dunno |
| 19:50.13 | portishead | hrm.. so it is archiving in the libTank.a, but it's not resolving the symbols |
| 19:52.04 | Chestal | larsl: in the palyerlist parsing, what do you expext iss.str() to contain after iss >> c >> pt >> d? |
| 19:52.58 | SportChick | anyone wanna play ctf on Quol? |
| 19:53.02 | larsl | Chestal: It depends on whether it's a playerlist entry or not. If it is, I expect a callsign, a ':', an IP and possible "udp" or "udp+". |
| 19:53.26 | Chestal | looks like iss.str() is empty for me |
| 19:53.36 | Chestal | I am not100% how the istringstream should behave |
| 19:53.47 | Chestal | would it work to use the full line string (returnString) there? |
| 19:55.16 | larsl | To the tokenizer? Perhaps. |
| 19:55.35 | Chestal | the token vectoris empty then *rbegin() crashes |
| 19:55.54 | Chestal | what does the 'show players' menu item use /playerlsit for? |
| 19:56.06 | larsl | To get the IP. |
| 19:56.29 | larsl | Although I saw just a minute ago that only a few characters of the IP is shown, need to fix that. |
| 19:57.17 | *** join/#bzflag |tim| (~|tim|@ip68-106-184-191.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 19:59.13 | CIA-3 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/SceneRenderer.cxx geometry/TankSceneNode.cxx): make experimental quality not do tank LOD at all, use hightank for all distances |
| 20:01.53 | Patlabor221 | how would I set something into BZDB in code? |
| 20:02.11 | Patlabor221 | like I want to put the quality seting into BZDB so I can easaly get it elsewhere |
| 20:02.15 | Patlabor221 | other then the scene node |
| 20:02.25 | larsl | BZDB.set("name", "value") I think. |
| 20:02.34 | Patlabor221 | what if it's an it? |
| 20:02.57 | Patlabor221 | sorry an int |
| 20:03.20 | larsl | You need to serialize it first, I think. |
| 20:03.27 | Patlabor221 | and how does one do that? |
| 20:03.45 | larsl | sprintf() or ostringstream. |
| 20:05.08 | larsl | Or our string_util::format(). |
| 20:05.25 | Chestal | larsl: I'm comitting a change to the playerlist parsing if you don't mind |
| 20:05.31 | larsl | Not at all. |
| 20:05.33 | Patlabor221 | ahhh cool that is a lot easyer |
| 20:05.51 | Chestal | larsl: added some checks and tokenizer uses full string instead of iss.str() |
| 20:06.02 | larsl | Chestal: OK. |
| 20:06.02 | Tupone | portishead: what is missing is the tank library on the link command |
| 20:06.06 | CIA-3 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: be more cautious when parsing /playerlist output |
| 20:06.23 | larsl | I thought that iss.str() would return the current buffer - maybe it doesn't. |
| 20:06.32 | Chestal | larsl: I noticed that when I first use show players in the menu, the output of /playerlist isn't echoed in the message area, but for later uses it is |
| 20:06.36 | Patlabor221 | so like this |
| 20:06.37 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.42 | Patlabor221 | where value is an int? |
| 20:06.52 | larsl | Patlabor221: That should work. |
| 20:07.12 | Patlabor221 | what file is string_util in? |
| 20:07.21 | larsl | For more complex objects in the heap there is a BZDB.set("name", ptr) too. |
| 20:07.25 | larsl | TextUtils.h |
| 20:07.37 | Chestal | larsl:ah, I think I am confused, it always echoes on 'reload', ok |
| 20:07.49 | Chestal | urgs, that evil ptr in bzdb thingy |
| 20:07.57 | Patlabor221 | I don't want to do that |
| 20:08.15 | Patlabor221 | I just want to keep the current quality in the database since it's an easy centeral place to lookup stuff |
| 20:08.53 | Chestal | if you ned to access it often, it must be cached (and we _must_ rethink / do bzdb in next version) |
| 20:08.54 | larsl | We should add convenience functions for setting ints and floats in BZDB without using format(). |
| 20:09.15 | Patlabor221 | yes it would be nice |
| 20:09.24 | CIA-3 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (BackgroundRenderer.cxx SceneRenderer.cxx): make, experimantal quality not draw ground grid lines. |
| 20:09.31 | Patlabor221 | then maybe later if the backend changes to support them in a non memory hog way the code does not have to change |
| 20:09.50 | Patlabor221 | there now you can turn off the grid lines :) |
| 20:10.10 | larsl | =) |
| 20:10.27 | Patlabor221 | I wonder if the qualitys are mentioned in the help |
| 20:10.33 | Patlabor221 | and if I should add to it |
| 20:11.50 | Patlabor221 | nope dosn't mention them |
| 20:12.48 | Patlabor221 | ohh I think there should be a change to automatic team |
| 20:13.25 | Patlabor221 | it should only pick rogue when all other teams have 1 person |
| 20:13.36 | Patlabor221 | and it should not say "you have been added to the rogue" |
| 20:14.25 | Chestal | larsl: is it possible that team messages from other teams are displayed in bzadmin withotu a callsign? |
| 20:14.38 | SportChick | should say "You are now a rogue and can shoot anyone and everyone!" |
| 20:14.43 | Chestal | I wonder why the server sends them to everyone in the first place |
| 20:15.03 | larsl | Chestal: Hm, maybe - I think I assumed that it wouldn't receive team messages to other teams. |
| 20:15.27 | Chestal | I guess it would make sense to only forward those to team members |
| 20:15.38 | Chestal | are rogues a team for team messages? |
| 20:15.44 | *** join/#bzflag CIA-4 (~CIA@navi.cs.colorado.edu) |
| 20:15.58 | larsl | Chestal: Looks like it. |
| 20:16.02 | Patlabor221 | probably should just say "you were added as a rogue" |
| 20:16.21 | Chestal | larsl: can I send a mesage to the obs team with bzadmin? |
| 20:16.41 | larsl | Chestal: No, there's no such target in the list. |
| 20:16.44 | larsl | Could be added. |
| 20:17.30 | CIA-4 | 03larsl * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/CursesMenu.cxx: Clean up the playerlist output in the curses menu |
| 20:18.23 | Chestal | I could change sendMessage() in bzfs so it would only send team mesasges to members of the team |
| 20:18.34 | larsl | That would be good. |
| 20:18.47 | Patlabor221 | I can't even find the message in the code |
| 20:18.54 | Patlabor221 | where would it be? |
| 20:18.54 | MrApathyCream | what was up about the team message question? |
| 20:19.26 | larsl | Patlabor221: playing.cxx:5338 and down. |
| 20:21.08 | larsl | MrApathyCream: bzfs sends team messages to everyone. |
| 20:21.18 | MrApathyCream | ah yes |
| 20:21.20 | Patlabor221 | how bout for the normal ones, "you have joined" |
| 20:21.24 | Patlabor221 | not you were joined |
| 20:21.35 | MrApathyCream | so admins can snoop i spose |
| 20:22.07 | larsl | Patlabor221: Sounds good. |
| 20:22.18 | larsl | Admins can look at the log. |
| 20:22.21 | *** join/#bzflag michaelhhh (Mouse@171-210.dynamic.visi.com) |
| 20:22.34 | Patlabor221 | and for rogue "you joined as a rogue" |
| 20:23.07 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/geometry/models/tank/Makefile.am: oops, missed one |
| 20:23.23 | Patlabor221 | how can we make it only pick rogue after all the other teams have 1 |
| 20:23.34 | Patlabor221 | as it seems odd to have blue vs rogue |
| 20:24.45 | Tupone | Patlabor221: code is bzfs.cxx IIRC |
| 20:25.20 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/geometry/Makefile.am: |
| 20:25.20 | CIA-4 | alrighty, since we don't do shared libraries or use libtool yet, we cannot use |
| 20:25.20 | CIA-4 | automake "convenience libraries" and must list all objects to link. acceptible |
| 20:25.20 | CIA-4 | compromise in order to maintain ability to have subdir building. |
| 20:26.06 | portishead | cool.. cia doesn't report escaped quotes any more |
| 20:26.18 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: change auto join team names to be in english, not engrish. |
| 20:26.41 | david_v | Chestal: hmpf, FNO-Fortix 3-2 (asinur and me) |
| 20:27.01 | portishead | Chestal: i do believe that it should finally be working right now, even with the older automake |
| 20:27.37 | Chestal | david_v: sounds like it was a good game,though |
| 20:27.51 | david_v | Chestal: it sure was. but i wish i would have had daBomb with me :( |
| 20:28.02 | Chestal | next time :-) |
| 20:28.09 | david_v | grml... :) |
| 20:28.17 | Adam | wow i was just in a room and one guy has 140+ kills... |
| 20:29.11 | larsl | Adam: Annoying, isn't it? You know that you have to play for hours to even get close to him. |
| 20:29.53 | Adam | lol ya if i could even get a positive in that game |
| 20:29.55 | Chestal | I need two players for a test on ducati 59155 |
| 20:30.02 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzeditw32/BZEdit32/api.h: whoops, mised a file |
| 20:30.03 | Adam | my laggy modem is shit to play with |
| 20:30.13 | Adam | ill have to wait till i get a 56k modem... |
| 20:30.28 | Patlabor221 | get DSL |
| 20:30.34 | Patlabor221 | dosn't cost that much more usualy |
| 20:30.40 | larsl | ~d |
| 20:30.56 | Chestal | down for maintenance :-) |
| 20:31.00 | Chestal | please join 59155 |
| 20:31.01 | Patlabor221 | http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds/bzedit/BZE_1.6.1a_Installer.exe |
| 20:31.06 | Patlabor221 | for those who can't build |
| 20:31.17 | Adam | YAY thanks |
| 20:31.24 | larsl | Eh? |
| 20:31.27 | Adam | chestal where is it? |
| 20:31.29 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: was todays changes just code reorg, or did new stuff go in? |
| 20:31.30 | larsl | 10 second maxidle? |
| 20:31.30 | Patlabor221 | asgard is down |
| 20:31.38 | Patlabor221 | MAC? define? |
| 20:31.45 | larsl | And I got a core dump too. |
| 20:31.47 | MrApathyCream | directory structure, et al |
| 20:31.55 | Patlabor221 | but what "new stuff" |
| 20:32.07 | MrApathyCream | dunno, wonderful Patlabor221 new stuff, kind of stuff |
| 20:32.15 | david_v | Chestal: BTW another match is up on 59998 (IST between Poland and Canada) |
| 20:32.17 | Patlabor221 | the hightank body now has sides |
| 20:32.18 | SportChick | Chestal: did your network guy ever get back to you about the changes to ducati so I can connect? |
| 20:32.22 | Patlabor221 | that's about it |
| 20:32.23 | Chestal | sorry forthe short idle kick |
| 20:32.25 | MrApathyCream | sides? |
| 20:32.30 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:32.30 | Chestal | SPort: not yet |
| 20:32.35 | SportChick | :( |
| 20:32.37 | Patlabor221 | you know how the middle was hollow |
| 20:32.39 | larsl | Chestal: My client crashed in cmdPause(), I have to take a look at that. |
| 20:32.43 | Patlabor221 | like a loop of paper |
| 20:32.49 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 20:32.49 | Chestal | join ducati.bzflag.org 59155 please |
| 20:32.53 | Patlabor221 | it has sides now |
| 20:32.54 | Chestal | larsl: mine, too, when I wasidlekicked |
| 20:32.59 | Patlabor221 | so it looks more solid |
| 20:33.02 | SportChick | who, chestal? |
| 20:33.15 | Chestal | larsl: it crashed, don't know where |
| 20:33.16 | Patlabor221 | also it would be easyer to change the model now |
| 20:33.22 | larsl | playing.cxx:2071 for me. |
| 20:33.45 | larsl | Does myTank exist before I spawn the first time? |
| 20:33.52 | Chestal | anyone please join ducati.bzflag.org 59155 |
| 20:33.55 | larsl | Hm, it should. |
| 20:34.08 | Patlabor221 | goin in now chestal |
| 20:34.21 | larsl | There. |
| 20:34.27 | Chestal | something is wrong |
| 20:34.30 | Chestal | I cannot join my server |
| 20:34.39 | Adam | im in... |
| 20:34.40 | Chestal | ah,I know |
| 20:34.44 | Chestal | we need better reject messages |
| 20:35.42 | portishead | "Your punk*ss badness was denied access to this mofo server" |
| 20:36.05 | Chestal | I joined with same callsign twice |
| 20:36.12 | Chestal | and only get 'communication error' in client |
| 20:36.49 | portishead | hrm.. shouldn't do that |
| 20:37.03 | portishead | callsign rejections are supposed to be one of the known rejection types, iirc |
| 20:37.14 | Adam | i pushed "alt-tab" then reenterd and it was all smeary... |
| 20:37.16 | Chestal | larsl: there's a small glitch when I edit a variable |
| 20:37.23 | Patlabor221 | wow with the new grass and not having the lines there, it does look rather slick |
| 20:37.32 | Chestal | larsl: after I press enter, the old value reappears, then get corrected on next refresh |
| 20:37.47 | david_v | |tim|: you there? |
| 20:37.51 | |tim| | yeah |
| 20:37.52 | faucet_nose | SportChick: care to spar a little? |
| 20:38.01 | david_v | |tim|: are you up for a fun match? you and me vs Zees |
| 20:38.05 | |tim| | sure |
| 20:38.14 | david_v | ok come back to Ducati we'll set something up |
| 20:38.15 | SportChick | it depends...I can't play very well on my laptop and hubby has his computer |
| 20:38.17 | larsl | Chestal: Yes, it doesn't show the new value immediately. It gets it from BZDB, and the value isn't set in BZDB until the server sends a MsgSetVar. |
| 20:38.19 | |tim| | ok |
| 20:38.25 | faucet_nose | ah, okay then |
| 20:38.31 | larsl | And if you're not admin, it won't change at all. |
| 20:39.17 | Adam | where do the "save world" maps go? |
| 20:39.28 | Adam | oops nm |
| 20:39.31 | Chestal | hmm, the teamcolor<->player conversion is in 3 different places now |
| 20:39.45 | Chestal | playing.cxx, bzadmin and bzfs.cxx |
| 20:40.11 | faucet_nose | sounds like a libGame piece of code, eh? :) |
| 20:40.50 | michaelhhh | are the models really c++ code? |
| 20:41.03 | faucet_nose | presently, yes |
| 20:41.07 | faucet_nose | they are opengl instructions |
| 20:41.13 | faucet_nose | hard-coded |
| 20:41.23 | michaelhhh | ... aren't they more c |
| 20:41.41 | larsl | C is C++ (almost). |
| 20:41.47 | faucet_nose | ah, that kind of "code" |
| 20:41.54 | Patlabor221 | they don't realy use objects |
| 20:42.06 | larsl | Unless it has implicit pointer conversions and funky C99 stuff, it's C++ as well as C. |
| 20:42.07 | Patlabor221 | so yeah they could be "c" |
| 20:42.37 | Patlabor221 | does it really matter if it's "C" or "C++" |
| 20:42.46 | Patlabor221 | it's not like they are really difrent languages |
| 20:42.48 | michaelhhh | I'm just asking |
| 20:42.50 | Patlabor221 | just difrent sets |
| 20:42.53 | Patlabor221 | but yes |
| 20:43.06 | Patlabor221 | they are cxx files in the geometry project |
| 20:43.14 | Patlabor221 | I just hand added 22 faces to high tank |
| 20:44.07 | michaelhhh | so is there supposed to be nothing in hitank, lowtank, etc? |
| 20:44.42 | Patlabor221 | the folders? |
| 20:44.44 | Patlabor221 | not anymore |
| 20:45.48 | Patlabor221 | we changed it today |
| 20:45.48 | Patlabor221 | it's all in tank now |
| 20:45.48 | Patlabor221 | the old C files were actualy in a #include |
| 20:45.48 | Patlabor221 | now they are built proper |
| 20:45.48 | Patlabor221 | so functions can be used in them |
| 20:45.48 | michaelhhh | ah so |
| 20:45.48 | Patlabor221 | all the build systems should be updated now |
| 20:45.48 | Patlabor221 | I did the windows ones |
| 20:46.16 | Patlabor221 | http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds/1.10.4/screens/aniso.png |
| 20:46.29 | Patlabor221 | kills the crap out fillrate but looks purdy |
| 20:47.15 | Chestal | ground always looks crappy with other filters |
| 20:47.33 | Patlabor221 | yeah mip maping isn't great for the ground |
| 20:47.43 | Patlabor221 | there may be some things I can do when I break the ground up |
| 20:48.00 | SportChick | does anyone know if ^nightmare^ is the same as knightmare? |
| 20:48.46 | michaelhhh | one has a horse and a big sword |
| 20:51.51 | michaelhhh | my computer is going back in time |
| 20:53.32 | michaelhhh | at first it gained time, now it is losing it |
| 20:58.09 | CIA-4 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: send team messages to team members only |
| 20:59.04 | captain_proton | aww, no more engrish? |
| 20:59.18 | faucet_nose | so are we just about getting stable for 1.10.4 release again? |
| 20:59.34 | Chestal | time for new features to break stability :-) |
| 20:59.39 | Noodleman | SportChick: no, he's different |
| 20:59.41 | Chestal | well, I had a client crash half an hour ago |
| 20:59.47 | Noodleman | he's one of his toadies, tho |
| 21:00.55 | SportChick | Noodleman: thanks |
| 21:00.58 | Noodleman | np |
| 21:01.05 | larsl | Does anyone know why people sometimes get "Sealed" when they push close to a building? |
| 21:01.17 | larsl | Without OO. |
| 21:01.54 | SportChick | faucet_nose: remember that weird thing that happened last night where a word was filtered, but not all the time? it just happened again with the word "page" |
| 21:02.11 | Chestal | hmm, cannot reproduce the crash now |
| 21:02.57 | faucet_nose | all by itself, or was there more, sportchick? |
| 21:03.05 | SportChick | both |
| 21:03.23 | Chestal | learner: automake 1.4 works |
| 21:03.32 | SportChick | first I typed it (it got censored when ~I~ was talking) saying something like "go to the page to see it" |
| 21:03.45 | Tupone | larsl: I know! Can I answer |
| 21:03.57 | SportChick | then, I repeated the word "page" by itself twice |
| 21:04.02 | larsl | Tupone: Yes, if you fix it. =) |
| 21:04.03 | SportChick | everytime it got bleeped |
| 21:04.15 | Tupone | This is not to fix, this is the solution |
| 21:04.24 | larsl | SportChick: The filtering depends on the context. |
| 21:04.36 | SportChick | I was not saying ANYTHING That seemed out of place |
| 21:04.50 | Tupone | It happened that when you loose the OO flag inside a building, you could shoot |
| 21:04.59 | SportChick | I said to go to our page (on our website) and the word got bleeped |
| 21:05.12 | SportChick | then, when I repeated the word by itself, it got bleeped again |
| 21:05.34 | Tupone | so now, if you are partially inside a building, you are like OO in term of shooting and visual |
| 21:05.48 | larsl | Hm. Why do someone get inside a building? |
| 21:06.34 | faucet_nose | Nidhoggr: could you check the server log and tell me what the exact string was? |
| 21:07.08 | Tupone | cause, IIRC, collision check is made the 1st time with all building. Then when you know exactly the building with you collide, that is taken for a major precision |
| 21:07.23 | Tupone | could be that the buidling are 2 |
| 21:07.53 | Tupone | so collision check is good for the first, but not for the other. |
| 21:07.55 | faucet_nose | the filter is deterministic, so i just need the exact string entered.. i'm thinking many false positives are actually typos (though apostrophes and quotes will increase falseness) |
| 21:08.04 | *** join/#bzflag Grumbler (~Grumbler@pool-162-84-18-201.sal.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:08.38 | larsl | Tupone: That's probably it, it happened to me when I drove in between two boxes. |
| 21:09.15 | faucet_nose | it's a bit cold to be swimming in a pool here |
| 21:09.27 | *** join/#bzflag asinur (~asinur@212.182.117.114) |
| 21:09.31 | faucet_nose | unless it's indoor |
| 21:09.34 | Blue_Beard | Pool *playing"... :) |
| 21:09.40 | Blue_Beard | Like with a table, cue, and balls... |
| 21:11.05 | Blue_Beard | That's a crime. :) |
| 21:11.43 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage_ (strayer@dyn216-8-132-184.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 21:11.49 | Blue_Beard | Logs?? |
| 21:12.25 | larsl | I see the flags high above the tanks too now. |
| 21:12.25 | *** join/#bzflag RuFiToS (~rufitos@adslsapo-b3-236-155.telepac.pt) |
| 21:13.31 | Chestal | larsl: on tanks or on ground? |
| 21:13.37 | larsl | On tanks. |
| 21:13.46 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage_ (strayer@dyn216-8-132-184.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 21:13.50 | Chestal | I haven't checked with new version yet |
| 21:14.02 | Chestal | can you come to 59155 once more? |
| 21:14.37 | MrApathyCream | faucet nose :) |
| 21:14.48 | Grumbler | SportChick, ? |
| 21:15.58 | *** join/#bzflag |tim| (~|tim|@ip68-106-184-191.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 21:17.15 | SportChick | Grumbler: yes? |
| 21:17.59 | SportChick | (I was the in kitchen heating up some lasagna) |
| 21:18.13 | Grumbler | SportChick, access to logs? |
| 21:18.40 | Grumbler | what logs? |
| 21:18.54 | SportChick | ah..no, I was just saying if I had access to the logs on dragon/secretplace, then I could answer learner's question. But since I don't (I've got ops privileges, not admin), then he has to wait for nid |
| 21:19.14 | Grumbler | oh |
| 21:19.54 | Grumbler | SportChick, you all should get an email, but any admin on dragon/secretplace is an admin on bzflag.galkire.net as well |
| 21:20.23 | SportChick | oh, okay..I didn't know |
| 21:20.35 | Grumbler | it just happened a couple hours ago. |
| 21:20.44 | SportChick | admin ANd ops |
| 21:20.50 | Nidhoggr | which line did you need? what did you seay that was filtered? |
| 21:20.57 | SportChick | page |
| 21:21.07 | Nidhoggr | you said it a few times. which one was filtered? |
| 21:21.12 | Grumbler | whatever your status is on d/s, it is there |
| 21:21.15 | SportChick | the first, second and third, I think |
| 21:21.42 | SportChick | finally, I said it with a capital "p" and it was no longer lagged |
| 21:22.00 | SportChick | Grumbler: those with admin privileges only or with OPS too? |
| 21:22.02 | Nidhoggr | try RTW page together |
| 21:22.13 | Nidhoggr | both instances said "RTW page" |
| 21:22.40 | SportChick | then, I tried typing it just "page" by itself and it got bleeped, too |
| 21:22.41 | Grumbler | SportChick, complete copy, admin and ops |
| 21:23.03 | SportChick | k...what rules do you have in effect, there, Grumbler? same as SP and dragon? |
| 21:23.10 | Grumbler | SportChick, yep |
| 21:23.18 | SportChick | k |
| 21:23.21 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@host-224-161.dialup.innercite.com) |
| 21:23.50 | SportChick | I assume we'll have to register separately on your server |
| 21:23.53 | Patlabor221 | wow knightmare must be proud of his server that noone can connect to |
| 21:25.08 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 21:25.16 | Blue_Beard | Quite an accomplishment, eh Patlabor221? :) |
| 21:25.22 | SportChick | I looked at it last night andit was really weird...all tanks were superspeed |
| 21:25.22 | Grumbler | SportChick, i copied the password file, so it should be transparent |
| 21:25.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:25.34 | SportChick | ok |
| 21:25.38 | SportChick | I'll try going there now |
| 21:25.45 | Blue_Beard | Three cheers for the wannabe trouble maker. :) |
| 21:27.13 | Patlabor221 | he ether did 1 of 3 things, 1) bumped the version on his cheat server thinking it would just work, 2) changed protocoll so it only works with his lame client, or 3) made mods to the server and screwed up. |
| 21:27.42 | Grumbler | ...you forgot he just wants to be a pain-in-......etc |
| 21:27.51 | SportChick | Grumbler: It's not recognizing my ops status |
| 21:27.54 | Patlabor221 | if he did #2 that's great, he should just change the version too so only his lame clients and lame servers are shown |
| 21:28.04 | Grumbler | SportChick, doh |
| 21:28.05 | SportChick | didn't require log in when I got there |
| 21:28.11 | SportChick | either |
| 21:28.32 | Grumbler | grrr, bet i have to restart the server...... |
| 21:28.41 | Blue_Beard | Patlabor221: I doubt he wants to put his server on it's own list. Only two or three people would ever come there. |
| 21:28.47 | SportChick | doesn't recognize I'm registered |
| 21:29.00 | Blue_Beard | It's all about attention. :) |
| 21:29.46 | Blue_Beard | "Look at me! I can edit a character out of my client to make myself invincible!!" Just proves that any old moron can use the delete key... ;) |
| 21:30.24 | Patlabor221 | ok bb you can calm down now |
| 21:30.36 | Grumbler | try now |
| 21:30.45 | SportChick | ok |
| 21:30.56 | Blue_Beard | Oh.... it just hit a nerve (the knightmare thing). He was cheating last night.. and saying dirty stuff to people.. etc. |
| 21:31.05 | Patlabor221 | he does that |
| 21:31.20 | Patlabor221 | best to just ignore him or you'll stress to an early grave |
| 21:31.27 | Patlabor221 | since there is no reall thing that can be done about it |
| 21:31.34 | Blue_Beard | Stress me? Nah.... I just kick him. :) |
| 21:34.25 | Nidhoggr | probably forgot the pass file |
| 21:34.36 | Grumbler | SportChick, you going to be around a bit to try this out a couple more times? |
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| 21:34.42 | SportChick | Grumbler: if you need me, just holler |
| 21:34.47 | Grumbler | cool |
| 21:35.10 | SportChick | I may be out of the room, but probably won't be for long, so as long as you are patient (not MY strong suit, but...) |
| 21:35.28 | Patlabor221 | one more build then I can go get lunch :) |
| 21:35.41 | SportChick | no!! you are CHAINED to your desk, PatLbor221 |
| 21:35.53 | Patlabor221 | lunch is at my desk |
| 21:35.58 | Patlabor221 | and this build is for you |
| 21:35.59 | Nidhoggr | pizza just arrived, too. I'm starving. |
| 21:36.48 | captain_proton | woodle |
| 21:36.57 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 21:37.03 | captain_proton | "this build is for you" sounds like a song |
| 21:37.21 | SportChick | awwwww..thanks Pat! :) |
| 21:40.29 | Grumbler | SportChick, try now |
| 21:40.39 | SportChick | k..just a sec |
| 21:47.21 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (creeperz@host-179-73-220-24.midco.net) |
| 21:48.04 | Nidhoggr | if betty page comes back on the server, ban her. |
| 21:48.23 | Nidhoggr | her website is adult, and it's in her email field. |
| 21:48.59 | Patlabor221 | using BZflag to promote porn sites? |
| 21:49.00 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 21:49.13 | Blue_Beard | Patlabor221: Not the first time. |
| 21:49.31 | Patlabor221 | doubt it would be a real female |
| 21:50.27 | creeperz | acky |
| 21:50.38 | Patlabor221 | seems like they don't know the target. BZ being played by what seems to be the "moral majority" |
| 21:50.41 | Blue_Beard | Ick. Cyber cross-dressers. |
| 21:51.10 | creeperz | lol |
| 21:51.11 | Nidhoggr | I banned her. |
| 21:51.21 | Patlabor221 | you don't go out on the web much in games do you bb? |
| 21:51.38 | Patlabor221 | play EQ, and see how many female high elves are played by guys |
| 21:52.02 | Blue_Beard | I have a bit. :) I can understand a girl pretending to be a guy (to avoid being hirassed).. but a guy pretending to be a girl... that's pretty sick. |
| 21:52.07 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: well, role-playing is somewhat different |
| 21:52.08 | Patlabor221 | just standard RP, not a cross dresser |
| 21:52.19 | Blue_Beard | Well yeah.. obviously. :) |
| 21:52.22 | Patlabor221 | in your opinion there BB, it's yours keep it to yourself |
| 21:52.24 | Blue_Beard | I'm with proton on that. |
| 21:52.35 | Patlabor221 | yes RP is difrent then cross dressing |
| 21:52.40 | Patlabor221 | but he groups them togeterh |
| 21:52.46 | Patlabor221 | maybe people RP bz |
| 21:52.51 | Patlabor221 | evertank! :) |
| 21:53.05 | Blue_Beard | Patlabor221: I don't think that stating that I think cross dressing is gross is wrong.. in any way, shape or form. |
| 21:53.13 | Blue_Beard | It's simply how I feel. :) |
| 21:53.17 | Patlabor221 | nope it's not wrong |
| 21:53.21 | Patlabor221 | never said it was |
| 21:53.23 | Blue_Beard | If someone wants to tell me that they think it's cool.. they can do that. |
| 21:53.52 | Patlabor221 | or if somone wants you to stop sayin "ick" and what seems to be vauge generlisations, they can do that too |
| 21:54.14 | Patlabor221 | yay 1 version is uploaded |
| 21:54.15 | Blue_Beard | Some people need to read less into other people's chat. :) |
| 21:54.17 | Patlabor221 | now for the fat one |
| 21:54.22 | Patlabor221 | yes they do |
| 21:54.37 | Blue_Beard | :) |
| 21:54.58 | Patlabor221 | is that what you look at yourself in? but lets just drop this here as it's pointless as I have found in the past |
| 21:55.09 | Nidhoggr | gender dysphoria is a serious thing. I counsel a few trans people, and they are good people. |
| 21:55.11 | Patlabor221 | and we have lives to get on with |
| 21:55.31 | Blue_Beard | Didn't say they were bad people. :) I just think it's gross.. nothing against the human being itself. |
| 21:55.57 | Blue_Beard | Sorta like I find indecent dress to be.. well.. indecent. Nothing against the person.. I just don't like the clothes. |
| 21:56.05 | Patlabor221 | damnit I named the version from last night 2003 |
| 21:56.17 | Blue_Beard | :) Patlabor221. |
| 21:56.26 | Blue_Beard | I'm still telling people that I'm 17. Whoops. |
| 21:56.34 | Patlabor221 | umm ok |
| 21:56.55 | Blue_Beard | Nevermind. |
| 21:57.20 | Nidhoggr | I haven't told anyone I'm 17 for about 25 years :) |
| 21:58.30 | david_v | hmm... and you're still 17 i suppose? ;) |
| 21:58.49 | Nidhoggr | 17 at heart maybe. |
| 21:58.57 | Nidhoggr | my bones are 42 though. |
| 21:59.03 | david_v | the magic number |
| 21:59.11 | david_v | that means you have to die now :) |
| 21:59.21 | david_v | sorry. :) |
| 21:59.38 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:00.36 | *** join/#bzflag Death_Barrel (~chatzilla@64.217.126.149) |
| 22:01.19 | captain_proton | yay, food |
| 22:02.04 | Patlabor221 | http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds/1.10.4/bzflagW321.10.3-2004.18.1.exe |
| 22:02.10 | Patlabor221 | http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds/1.10.4/bzflagW321.10.3-2004.18.1_high_res.exe |
| 22:02.16 | Patlabor221 | for those who are intersted |
| 22:02.21 | SportChick | which has higher resolution, generally? .gif or .jpg files? |
| 22:02.32 | Nidhoggr | sportchick: doesn't apply |
| 22:02.36 | Nidhoggr | can be either |
| 22:02.47 | SportChick | it does to what I'm doing! I'm trying to make a card for anniversary with hubby |
| 22:02.55 | Nidhoggr | hrm. make it jpg |
| 22:02.58 | SportChick | ok |
| 22:02.58 | SportChick | thanks |
| 22:03.02 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr, neat effect, if I have ssh open, and play bzflag, it hangs the ssh session |
| 22:03.02 | captain_proton | SportChick: the format doesn't affect resoution |
| 22:03.03 | Nidhoggr | gif is limited to 256 colors iirc |
| 22:03.25 | captain_proton | Nidhoggr: yup |
| 22:03.33 | scanline | Nidhoggr: right, but that's not resolution (spatial resolution at least) |
| 22:03.43 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 22:03.53 | Nidhoggr | but if she's doing a card, jpg will give her more depth. |
| 22:04.06 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:04.39 | Patlabor221 | there we go build done, time to go get food |
| 22:04.51 | Nidhoggr | good work, patlabor221 :) |
| 22:08.27 | Noodleman | png, unless it's indexed, will give more depth, too |
| 22:08.30 | Noodleman | and alpha |
| 22:08.41 | *** join/#bzflag your_dog (~jake@216-24-109-181.access.naxs.com) |
| 22:08.52 | Noodleman | hey your_dog |
| 22:09.04 | Patlabor221 | se ya all later |
| 22:09.04 | your_dog | howdy noodleman |
| 22:09.07 | your_dog | bye |
| 22:09.08 | Noodleman | you wanna do a match? |
| 22:09.17 | Noodleman | i think i have someone that can play |
| 22:09.38 | your_dog | maybe in just a sec, my brother is using the connection right now :( |
| 22:09.47 | creeperz | not i said the purple piglet |
| 22:09.49 | creeperz | ;-) |
| 22:09.50 | Noodleman | hehe, the story of my life |
| 22:09.58 | Noodleman | creeperz: hah |
| 22:10.03 | your_dog | what is? |
| 22:10.13 | Noodleman | someone always hogging the connection |
| 22:10.21 | Blue_Beard | Poor Noodleman. :) |
| 22:10.22 | creeperz | yea same here |
| 22:10.32 | Noodleman | we've only got a 384k DSL |
| 22:10.33 | your_dog | hehe, yup |
| 22:10.52 | creeperz | ive only got a cable line...im the only one who uses it though... |
| 22:10.59 | creeperz | BUT SOMEONE ALWAYS TIES IT UP! |
| 22:11.13 | your_dog | poor noodle :) |
| 22:11.13 | Noodleman | lol |
| 22:11.18 | your_dog | i have a 28.8k modem :( |
| 22:11.21 | Noodleman | ack |
| 22:11.23 | creeperz | ewww |
| 22:11.29 | your_dog | actually, it's a 56k, but we only get 28.8 |
| 22:11.32 | Noodleman | how do you play bz with just a 28.8 modem? |
| 22:11.35 | Noodleman | yeah |
| 22:11.43 | Blue_Beard | I was getting around 36kbps or so before I got on cable. |
| 22:11.52 | Blue_Beard | Some of you would remember when I was still laggy and hard to hit. ;) |
| 22:12.07 | *** join/#bzflag triclops_pb (~caleb@203-219-160-62-nsw.tpgi.com.au) |
| 22:12.07 | Noodleman | in central oregon, where i last used dialup, the lines are raunchy |
| 22:12.22 | your_dog | i usually get around 180ms on quol, so it's not too bad |
| 22:12.30 | your_dog | it's not usually more than about 250ms |
| 22:12.32 | Noodleman | and the phone company is either incompetent, or just plain evil |
| 22:12.33 | Blue_Beard | Oregon... ohhhh. I wish I'd known that before, Noodleman. :) |
| 22:12.55 | Noodleman | i kinda suspect both :-) |
| 22:13.01 | your_dog | hehe |
| 22:13.26 | creeperz | why are monkeys eating my eyes? |
| 22:13.53 | Noodleman | maybe you should swat them away |
| 22:13.58 | Noodleman | just a suggestion |
| 22:14.09 | creeperz | im blind |
| 22:14.13 | creeperz | i cant see |
| 22:14.20 | creeperz | good suggestion though noodleman :-) |
| 22:14.20 | Noodleman | you must be an excellent typist, then |
| 22:14.36 | Blue_Beard | You're not supposed to look when you type, Noodleman. ;) |
| 22:14.37 | Noodleman | and have a screen reader |
| 22:14.44 | creeperz | im an excellent typist (but its not like noodleman just yped that) |
| 22:14.48 | Noodleman | yeah, i know :-( |
| 22:15.00 | Noodleman | i can't look away from my hands most of the time |
| 22:15.03 | creeperz | typed* |
| 22:15.15 | creeperz | same here |
| 22:15.26 | Noodleman | and i've always typed incorrectly |
| 22:15.40 | Noodleman | but i've done it so long, i can manage 40 WPM |
| 22:15.49 | your_dog | i only look at my hands when i'm typing #s |
| 22:16.20 | Blue_Beard | Hehehe Noodleman. :) |
| 22:16.33 | your_dog | i mess up when i look at my hands |
| 22:16.33 | Blue_Beard | I do the same.. but with finger placement. I can type blindfolded.. but not with the right fingers. |
| 22:17.31 | Nidhoggr | <--- 85 words per minute. |
| 22:17.53 | Blue_Beard | 50% errors? ;) |
| 22:17.54 | Blue_Beard | LoL |
| 22:18.07 | david_v | good night folks |
| 22:18.11 | Noodleman | yeah, my boss could push 90, even when he was writing code :-) |
| 22:18.13 | Blue_Beard | Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of our country. |
| 22:18.13 | Noodleman | he was good |
| 22:18.20 | Blue_Beard | Laterz david. |
| 22:18.25 | Nidhoggr | I used to do data entry. I'm good at inopportune typos |
| 22:18.30 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 22:20.21 | Nidhoggr | so 25,500 keystrokes/hour. |
| 22:20.28 | Nidhoggr | most data entry places require 11000 |
| 22:20.28 | Noodleman | something to that effect :-) |
| 22:20.34 | Noodleman | so, anybody want a match? |
| 22:20.42 | Noodleman | come on, i'll keep insisting |
| 22:20.46 | Noodleman | i won't shut up |
| 22:20.49 | Blue_Beard | My right hand isn't that dexterous. :) My left hand could only stand it consistently because I play the guitar. |
| 22:20.59 | SportChick | what does this error message mean? "Graphic image viewport width/height exceeds 27"'? |
| 22:21.50 | Noodleman | come on |
| 22:21.59 | creeperz | rubber baby buggy bumpers |
| 22:22.00 | Noodleman | is everybody afraid they'll beat us? |
| 22:22.11 | Noodleman | it's not that painful |
| 22:22.13 | creeperz | im a scared |
| 22:22.13 | Noodleman | come on! |
| 22:22.27 | |tim| | Noodleman, I'll match |
| 22:22.43 | Blue_Beard | Noodleman: I don't play in the League anymore. Or I'd take you on 2v1. ;) |
| 22:22.44 | Noodleman | ok, do you happen to have 2 teamies? |
| 22:22.50 | Noodleman | haha |
| 22:24.03 | creeperz | ;-) |
| 22:24.13 | Blue_Beard | Maybe Death_Barrel is busy.. or asleep.. or something. |
| 22:24.20 | |tim| | he's uploading something |
| 22:24.23 | |tim| | :-\ |
| 22:26.03 | *** join/#bzflag mauddib (~mauddib@cpe-024-165-180-044.midsouth.rr.com) |
| 22:26.13 | mauddib | any one wanna match anihilation 3v3 |
| 22:26.29 | Noodleman | we're trying |
| 22:26.35 | |tim| | OooOo, 3vs3 <-- ewwwww |
| 22:26.36 | mauddib | oh lol :) |
| 22:26.37 | Noodleman | everybody's a bunch of wimps |
| 22:26.43 | mauddib | c'mon |
| 22:26.48 | your_dog | i would if i can get my teammates |
| 22:26.51 | your_dog | just a sec |
| 22:26.56 | |tim| | your_dog, isn't meno online? |
| 22:26.57 | mauddib | ewww eez? |
| 22:27.09 | your_dog | yeah, but he's away i think |
| 22:27.14 | mauddib | look on stats.bzflag.com |
| 22:27.22 | |tim| | oh yeah, he's got his mobile on |
| 22:27.27 | mauddib | compliments of noodleman |
| 22:27.29 | creeperz | i'll take yu Noodleman! Im not a wimp! |
| 22:27.45 | Noodleman | hmm, didn't know stats.bzflag.com worked :-) |
| 22:27.52 | Noodleman | lemme add that to apache |
| 22:28.15 | mauddib | I will take you creep |
| 22:28.18 | mauddib | grrr... |
| 22:28.20 | Blue_Beard | Don't call names. ;) |
| 22:28.21 | Blue_Beard | LoL |
| 22:28.24 | your_dog | ok, i have one teammate |
| 22:28.29 | your_dog | who wants to play 2v2 |
| 22:28.32 | mauddib | wanna sub noodle? |
| 22:28.38 | mauddib | maybe |
| 22:28.48 | mauddib | wanna do substitutions noodle? |
| 22:29.01 | Noodleman | i wanna play :-( |
| 22:29.11 | your_dog | binh doesn't want to play stronger teams, sorr time |
| 22:29.12 | mauddib | well we will sub every 2 min |
| 22:29.13 | Noodleman | i asked for a match :-( |
| 22:29.23 | mauddib | play eez 2v2 |
| 22:29.31 | mauddib | we can sub every few minutes |
| 22:29.35 | your_dog | yeah, play EEZ |
| 22:29.42 | mauddib | noodle? |
| 22:29.46 | Noodleman | yeah? |
| 22:29.54 | Noodleman | does eez want a match? |
| 22:29.56 | your_dog | you want to? |
| 22:29.58 | your_dog | yeah |
| 22:30.05 | your_dog | quol:59998 |
| 22:30.08 | Noodleman | sure, who want's to play with me? |
| 22:30.30 | mauddib | me |
| 22:30.35 | Noodleman | ok |
| 22:30.41 | mauddib | cya there |
| 22:30.42 | your_dog | quol:59998? |
| 22:30.46 | mauddib | sure |
| 22:30.48 | Noodleman | i'll be at quol.bzflag.org:59998 |
| 22:30.52 | mauddib | or noodleroni maybe |
| 22:30.52 | your_dog | ok, be there in a sec |
| 22:30.54 | mauddib | ok |
| 22:30.59 | mauddib | be there in a sce |
| 22:33.15 | *** topic/#bzflag by faucet_nose -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || time to release v1.10.4 so test, test, test || Sourceforge anoncvs is down for maintenance, use sfsnap |
| 22:34.51 | triclops_pb | faucet_nose: in MacMedia is the sound command queue thread safe? |
| 22:36.40 | faucet_nose | I don't recall |
| 22:37.17 | MrAC | ssh cvs down? |
| 22:37.26 | dayquil_junkie | I'm having trouble too |
| 22:37.54 | triclops_pb | theres a 10 hour outage or something |
| 22:38.03 | larsl | Getting EOF. |
| 22:38.05 | MrAC | mm |
| 22:38.14 | larsl | 10 hour? |
| 22:38.17 | larsl | Ouch. |
| 22:38.29 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o MrApathyCream] by ChanServ |
| 22:38.55 | triclops_pb | "Developer CVS access will be down for about 10 hours on Sunday January 18, 2004 starting at noon." |
| 22:39.58 | dayquil_junkie | noon est or pst? |
| 22:40.06 | dayquil_junkie | or gmt |
| 22:40.11 | larsl | Not GMT. |
| 22:40.23 | larsl | That was 11 hours ago. |
| 22:40.23 | *** join/#bzflag tapo (~tapo@p50929741.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:40.34 | dayquil_junkie | so probably pst |
| 22:40.54 | dayquil_junkie | so i'm looking at about 7-8 hours |
| 22:41.00 | MrApathyCream | why is it pist? |
| 22:41.13 | tapo | what means that "Menu silenced" in the log windows right after starting bzflag? |
| 22:43.23 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 22:43.28 | captain_proton | this'll mean i can kill snaps |
| 22:46.15 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (bryjen@ky-owensboro1a-242.owboky.adelphia.net) |
| 22:47.55 | larsl | There's a guy on SF asking for an IRIX build of 1.10.2. |
| 22:48.43 | dayquil_junkie | i noticed that |
| 22:48.51 | dayquil_junkie | still can't get the sucker to link |
| 22:49.12 | captain_proton | what libstdc++ is it using?? |
| 22:50.09 | dayquil_junkie | from all I can tell, it doesn't use a libstdc++ |
| 22:50.31 | dayquil_junkie | i tried the most up to date stl headers listed on their site |
| 22:50.44 | dayquil_junkie | but i just get a different set of errors |
| 22:51.13 | dayquil_junkie | i'm still digging, though |
| 22:51.18 | *** join/#bzflag mauddib (~mauddib@cpe-024-165-180-044.midsouth.rr.com) |
| 22:51.54 | *** join/#bzflag Bunny (~cgiirc@66.62.140.111) |
| 22:51.59 | Bunny | hey |
| 22:52.14 | mauddib | hi |
| 22:52.23 | Bunny | me and my brother just got banned from Secretplace by Holy Iron Skillet |
| 22:52.25 | Bunny | is he here? |
| 22:52.40 | creeperz | Holy Iron Skillet? |
| 22:52.40 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 22:52.42 | creeperz | why? |
| 22:52.46 | Bunny | there was a guy in there who kept logging in and requesting a poll to kick Texas Hunter |
| 22:52.49 | Bunny | and then he'd leave |
| 22:52.59 | Bunny | so they were looking for his IP |
| 22:53.04 | Bunny | and they accidentally hit ours |
| 22:53.09 | Pimpinella | ~seen BaDiN |
| 22:53.19 | | badin <Paramount@81.193.147.64> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 10d 22h 20m 40s ago, saying: 'okay, bye :)'. |
| 22:53.20 | Bunny | and now we can't get it to tell them |
| 22:53.20 | mauddib | that sux |
| 22:53.20 | larsl | Nidhoggr is the secretplace admin, he might be here. |
| 22:53.20 | Bunny | he was there |
| 22:53.20 | Bunny | in the game |
| 22:53.22 | Nidhoggr | it wasn't an accident. |
| 22:53.27 | Bunny | it wasn't? |
| 22:53.28 | Nidhoggr | I pulled the IP from the logs. |
| 22:53.33 | Bunny | but we didn't |
| 22:53.55 | Nidhoggr | it was someone with the callsign "ROCK" |
| 22:53.57 | MrApathyCream | you perhaps share a similar ip, and the ban used wildcards? |
| 22:54.01 | Nidhoggr | logs don't like. |
| 22:54.01 | Bunny | go back to your crazy logs |
| 22:54.04 | Bunny | our IP is 68.94.72.41 |
| 22:54.15 | captain_proton | dayquil_junkie: it has to link with a libstdc++ |
| 22:54.20 | captain_proton | or something similar |
| 22:54.25 | captain_proton | libc doesn't have c++ stuff |
| 22:54.25 | Bunny | logs don't, admins who aren't careful mighht |
| 22:54.57 | Nidhoggr | Player ROCK [17] has joined from 68.94.72.41:4542 on 21 |
| 22:54.58 | Bunny | we had been on for five minutes |
| 22:55.06 | dayquil_junkie | cappy: from what I read in the docs, most all of the stl is done completely in the headers, but i do agree -- but have found no reference to one |
| 22:55.07 | Bunny | ROCK |
| 22:55.11 | Bunny | THERE IS HIS IP |
| 22:55.17 | Bunny | duh |
| 22:55.28 | Bunny | Nidhoggr?? |
| 22:55.42 | Nidhoggr | Player ROCK [17]: /poll ban [TLZ] Texas Hunter |
| 22:56.34 | *** join/#bzflag Bunny (~cgiirc@66.62.140.111) |
| 22:56.41 | Nidhoggr | looks like same ip to me. |
| 22:56.41 | dayquil_junkie | Bunny, why don't you use a real irc client? |
| 22:56.45 | Bunny | whoop |
| 22:56.46 | Bunny | hang on |
| 22:56.47 | Bunny | I'm back |
| 22:56.53 | Bunny | okay, I see suddenly |
| 22:57.03 | Bunny | last night somebody was on using my AIM screenname |
| 22:57.14 | Bunny | I got a message saying that somebody logged in at a different location |
| 22:57.23 | Bunny | using the same screenname |
| 22:57.31 | Bunny | don't get me wrong, but I say we're being hacked |
| 22:57.52 | Bunny | it DOES look like the same IP |
| 22:57.59 | Nidhoggr | it IS the same. |
| 22:58.10 | Bunny | I am sitting in the computer room |
| 22:58.11 | dayquil_junkie | use a real irc client to get in here, and you'll help improve your credibility |
| 22:58.18 | Pimpinella | get a terminator then and keep off our machines |
| 22:58.21 | Bunny | I see all people playing all games |
| 22:58.34 | Bunny | so there can be no alternative |
| 22:58.57 | Nidhoggr | nope. someone using that computer/network was breaking our rules. |
| 22:59.00 | Bunny | sorry, Nidhoggr |
| 22:59.18 | Bunny | yet I know none of us were playing as Rock |
| 22:59.24 | Nidhoggr | so you need to figure out how someone was hacking your network. |
| 22:59.28 | Bunny | yes |
| 22:59.31 | Bunny | absolutely |
| 22:59.38 | Bunny | it's not really fair that we can't play at secretplace |
| 22:59.43 | Nidhoggr | meanwhile, no access to sp |
| 22:59.43 | Bunny | but we can't change that |
| 22:59.52 | Bunny | hold on |
| 23:00.02 | Bunny | I know how to find the hacker |
| 23:00.03 | Nidhoggr | email bzflag@dragon.org when you figure it out and fix it. |
| 23:00.17 | Nidhoggr | I have houseguests and can't sit here for much longer. |
| 23:00.24 | Bunny | that's fine |
| 23:00.27 | Bunny | I see you often enough |
| 23:00.29 | Bunny | in other places |
| 23:00.33 | Nidhoggr | ok |
| 23:00.38 | Bunny | you and sportchick |
| 23:01.08 | SportChick | huh? |
| 23:02.23 | Bunny | my brother and I got banned from secretplace due to somebody using our internet connection |
| 23:02.26 | Bunny | playing as "rock" |
| 23:02.38 | Bunny | nidhoggr won't unban us |
| 23:02.44 | Bunny | and I understand the reasoning |
| 23:02.52 | MrApathyCream | Bunny: that's _VERY_ unlikely |
| 23:02.53 | Bunny | but I can find the hacker's IP in moments |
| 23:02.57 | Bunny | it happened |
| 23:03.18 | Nidhoggr | who is your brother? |
| 23:03.31 | Blue_Beard | This scenario sounds strangely familiar. :) |
| 23:03.37 | MrApathyCream | why would a hacker, use this great success to play bzflag? |
| 23:03.48 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:04.05 | MrApathyCream | i would more likely try to empty your bank account |
| 23:04.19 | MrApathyCream | being so l337 |
| 23:04.22 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: can't get jailed for playing bzflag ;) |
| 23:04.34 | bryjen | MrApathyCream: maybe the accounts were already empty? |
| 23:04.40 | MrApathyCream | perhaps |
| 23:04.46 | bryjen | no use stealing maxed out credit cards ;) |
| 23:05.00 | Bunny | he was playing as <StepBhanS> |
| 23:05.11 | Blue_Beard | That'd be one disappointed thief. :) |
| 23:05.26 | Bunny | I don't keep e-mail addresses or credit card info on my PC |
| 23:05.29 | MrApathyCream | There was cc fraud tv show, where they placed a credit card cleaning machine next to the mac |
| 23:05.41 | MrApathyCream | You were supposed to swipe your card there, before using the mac |
| 23:05.48 | MrApathyCream | you'd be amazed how many people did just that |
| 23:05.56 | Bunny | hehe |
| 23:05.59 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-204.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 23:06.21 | Bunny | well, last night I got an IM that somebody had logged in using my screenname at a different location |
| 23:06.30 | Bunny | for AOL instant messenger |
| 23:06.41 | dayquil_junkie | so change your passwords |
| 23:06.43 | MrApathyCream | thats not quite the same as stealing iips |
| 23:06.45 | Bunny | okay, I'm narrowing down to find his IP |
| 23:06.49 | dayquil_junkie | or file a report |
| 23:06.54 | Bunny | well, none of us EVER play as "Rock" |
| 23:07.03 | Bunny | and nobody could ever guess my password |
| 23:07.12 | MrApathyCream | 'rabbit'? |
| 23:07.22 | Bunny | and my brother and I were the ONLY ones using our computer system at the time anyway |
| 23:07.34 | dayquil_junkie | bunny, I don't get it.. you're at a machine that you can install bz on, yet not a real irc client? |
| 23:07.38 | Bunny | how do I know? Because all comuters are located in a ten foot radius |
| 23:07.43 | MrApathyCream | i thought you said you were in a computer room? |
| 23:07.45 | Bunny | yes |
| 23:07.53 | Bunny | I don't care about a real IRC client |
| 23:07.58 | Bunny | this works, don't it ? :D |
| 23:08.03 | MrApathyCream | badly |
| 23:08.42 | Bunny | I think I may have found his IP |
| 23:08.55 | dayquil_junkie | IPs from an anonymous mouth are useless |
| 23:09.06 | Bunny | well, perhaps |
| 23:09.21 | Bunny | but not necessarily, if he's still connected to me and doesn't know I know about him |
| 23:09.23 | bryjen | heh. "anonymous mouth" there's a callsign :) |
| 23:10.59 | Bunny | it responds to ping |
| 23:11.11 | dayquil_junkie | so does my machine right now |
| 23:11.24 | Bunny | so? |
| 23:11.29 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@host-224-161.dialup.innercite.com) |
| 23:11.37 | dayquil_junkie | exactly. doesn't mean anything |
| 23:11.58 | Bunny | well |
| 23:12.07 | MrApathyCream | this just in... cvs still down |
| 23:12.11 | Bunny | wouldn't that mean that it's a valid IP? |
| 23:14.25 | Bunny | hehehehe, I'm browsing the PC now |
| 23:14.38 | Bunny | oop, disconnect |
| 23:14.40 | Bunny | rats |
| 23:17.13 | Bunny | okay, I'm out |
| 23:17.28 | Bunny | c-yall later |
| 23:17.32 | Nidhoggr | later |
| 23:17.53 | Bunny | I have his IP, but it looks like he went offline the moment I connected to his computer |
| 23:18.00 | Bunny | So he knew I was coming |
| 23:18.08 | MrApathyCream | prolly looking over your shoulder |
| 23:18.13 | Bunny | or, rather, knew that I had connected |
| 23:18.18 | Bunny | no way |
| 23:18.41 | Bunny | there's nothing I can say that will make you believe me |
| 23:18.49 | MrApathyCream | not so far |
| 23:18.52 | Bunny | so I'm not even going to try, other than that I know the truth |
| 23:19.07 | *** join/#bzflag Grumbler (~Grumbler@pool-162-83-18-74.sal.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:19.13 | Bunny | did you know that Sirius is a member of your admin team? |
| 23:19.14 | Nidhoggr | provide proof to bzflag@dragon.org, and I'll consider unbanning. |
| 23:19.28 | Bunny | last time we got banned from secretplace it was due to him |
| 23:19.31 | Nidhoggr | no sirius is a member of sp admin team. |
| 23:19.40 | Bunny | oh okay |
| 23:19.49 | Bunny | so that would explain why we got banned by him |
| 23:19.56 | Bunny | because it listed no reason |
| 23:19.58 | Bunny | just that |
| 23:20.07 | MrApathyCream | you got banned 'last time"? |
| 23:20.12 | Bunny | yes |
| 23:20.19 | Bunny | once again, we did nothing |
| 23:20.22 | MrApathyCream | and we are to believe you because? |
| 23:20.23 | Bunny | this was several months ago |
| 23:20.30 | Bunny | you can if you want to |
| 23:20.41 | MrApathyCream | i'll choose not to, thanks :) |
| 23:20.47 | Bunny | I'm as dead-serious as I can possibly be over chat |
| 23:20.56 | Bunny | I figured as much ;) |
| 23:21.13 | Bunny | it's all a very frustrating thing |
| 23:22.11 | Bunny | you know, even did I present "evidence", how would you be able to believe me? |
| 23:22.25 | Bunny | what kind of evidence CAN you get in the digital world? |
| 23:22.32 | triclops_pb | logs |
| 23:22.40 | Bunny | ahhhh |
| 23:22.41 | creeperz | porn? |
| 23:22.52 | Bunny | teenagers....go figure ::) |
| 23:22.54 | creeperz | sorry. wrong channel |
| 23:22.57 | creeperz | :-) |
| 23:22.58 | Bunny | heh |
| 23:27.58 | larsl | Ugh, it's late... and school starts tomorrow. |
| 23:27.59 | larsl | Today. |
| 23:28.15 | Bunny | bye |
| 23:28.22 | Bunny | (larsl) |
| 23:29.01 | Bunny | whoa |
| 23:29.04 | Bunny | there's the loophole |
| 23:29.46 | Bunny | it's a problem with the dynamic ICMP Traffic permissions settings |
| 23:30.00 | larsl | Ehum? |
| 23:30.00 | Bunny | now just to find that blasted "proof" |
| 23:30.09 | Bunny | (i.e. the logs) |
| 23:30.23 | Bunny | well, thanks for nothing folks |
| 23:30.24 | Bunny | bye |
| 23:31.02 | Nidhoggr | ~lart bunny |
| 23:31.36 | bryjen | stacks of VAX |
| 23:31.44 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:38.40 | Nidhoggr | some people are so full of hooey |
| 23:42.54 | MrApathyCream | yup bunny hooey |
| 23:43.32 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:43.39 | Nidhoggr | you got lagged off server :( |
| 23:47.14 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 23:47.25 | MrApathyCream | hmm, Burrow's shadow is incorrectly drawn |
