| 00:00.03 | Rubin | i include my own vsnprintf in some channel service software I wrote a few years ago, for that reason |
| 00:00.07 | captain_proton | i'll just cap it to 8192 for now |
| 00:00.46 | scanline | haha |
| 00:00.50 | scanline | this is nuts |
| 00:01.52 | scanline | it looks like the platform-specific code smartdata added to cli_c has its own vsnprintf |
| 00:02.26 | scanline | it uses something they copied from glib to determine an upper bound on the string returned for a particular format string and list of args, then if that's bigger than the buffer it returns -1 |
| 00:02.27 | captain_proton | hehehe |
| 00:02.31 | scanline | otherwise it uses a normal vsprintf() |
| 00:03.29 | scanline | hmm.. then there's a layer on top of vsnprintf() I wrote that returns a malloc()'ed buffer |
| 00:03.37 | scanline | looks like it starts with 100 bytes, and doubles that if it's too small |
| 00:03.58 | CIA-5 | 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/ (include/TextUtils.h src/common/bzfio.cxx): Pacify Mr. Micah. |
| 00:09.46 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-204.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 00:18.26 | scanline | yikes... |
| 00:18.33 | scanline | Patlabor221: are the flags supposed to be all grayscale and stuff? |
| 00:19.02 | scanline | and... I think I'm going to need to fix xinerama support in bzflag :P |
| 00:19.13 | scanline | it's still spanning itself across both my monitors |
| 00:22.12 | *** join/#bzflag michaelhhh (Mouse@172-144.dynamic.visi.com) |
| 00:23.21 | orchid | is the var _jumpVelocity in units? (like a tank can jump by default 16 units high i think) |
| 00:23.52 | your_dog | ok, i have to go, so i'll talk to y'all l8r |
| 00:23.52 | orchid | ncu |
| 00:23.53 | your_dog | hehehe, 'n' :) |
| 00:24.04 | your_dog | i can tell you play bz ;) |
| 00:24.09 | orchid | :) |
| 00:24.16 | your_dog | cya |
| 00:24.16 | creeperz | nWho? |
| 00:24.19 | your_dog | lol |
| 00:24.23 | michaelhhh | it's the inital velocity in the upwards direction |
| 00:24.43 | michaelhhh | so as gravity acts against it the tank acceleration upwards is decreased |
| 00:25.14 | michaelhhh | So I'm pretty sure it's in m/s^2 |
| 00:25.30 | creeperz | woohoo! |
| 00:25.30 | orchid | ok |
| 00:25.32 | creeperz | m/s^2! |
| 00:25.40 | shkoo | uh, velocity would be in units/sec, not units/sec^2... |
| 00:25.49 | michaelhhh | doh |
| 00:25.51 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@host-224-77.dialup.innercite.com) |
| 00:25.57 | creeperz | acceleration is m/s^2 |
| 00:25.59 | michaelhhh | but gravity is in in that |
| 00:26.15 | michaelhhh | and I'm sure it's set to 9.6 by default or something like that |
| 00:26.25 | creeperz | (yes) |
| 00:27.05 | michaelhhh | so after a certain # of seconds the velocity goes to 0, that's the peak heigh |
| 00:27.11 | michaelhhh | and then it falls down again |
| 00:27.33 | michaelhhh | this is known as gravity |
| 00:28.01 | michaelhhh | I guess tanks don't weigh very much -- that must be why they take so long to come down again |
| 00:28.22 | CIA-5 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (menus.cxx HUDui.h HUDui.cxx): Create sliders dynamically for options that use them |
| 00:28.26 | DTRemenak | if they weighed too much they wouldn't be able to jump |
| 00:28.30 | creeperz | kinda like how master chief can flip a tank? |
| 00:28.36 | creeperz | thats a pretty cool suit then... |
| 00:29.19 | michaelhhh | but what exactly are we saying their weight is then? |
| 00:29.40 | DTRemenak | you can calculate it |
| 00:29.41 | michaelhhh | like .00000000000000000000000001 grams? |
| 00:29.49 | DTRemenak | gravity is 9.8 m/s/s |
| 00:30.20 | DTRemenak | hm...we don't know the force with which they jump |
| 00:30.25 | DTRemenak | maybe you can't calculate it |
| 00:31.32 | michaelhhh | so either the force is huge or the tank is very light |
| 00:31.50 | DTRemenak | right, since they jump some 18 meters |
| 00:32.02 | michaelhhh | but how could you make a tank stay in the air for like 3 seconds? |
| 00:32.15 | DTRemenak | huge force or light tank :) |
| 00:32.31 | michaelhhh | so the height is much higher than it appears? |
| 00:32.46 | DTRemenak | no...there's an altimeter built in to the hud |
| 00:32.52 | DTRemenak | on the right side of the mousebox |
| 00:32.58 | DTRemenak | that's what those numbers are |
| 00:33.10 | michaelhhh | how hight is the normal jump then? |
| 00:33.20 | DTRemenak | you can jump a bit more than 18 m in normal gravity |
| 00:33.20 | michaelhhh | <bztrivia> |
| 00:33.30 | DTRemenak | iirc |
| 00:34.18 | michaelhhh | Do you normally have another nick? |
| 00:34.27 | DTRemenak | who, me? |
| 00:34.31 | michaelhhh | yes |
| 00:34.34 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 00:34.38 | DTRemenak | don't play online much |
| 00:34.48 | DTRemenak | I'm on dialup, so I lag like heck |
| 00:34.55 | michaelhhh | had cvs access for sometime? |
| 00:35.01 | michaelhhh | I am also? |
| 00:35.06 | michaelhhh | I am also.. |
| 00:35.44 | michaelhhh | It's kind of expensive to get dsl just for bzflag |
| 00:35.57 | DTRemenak | if any of those comments were questions it would be excellent if you could restate it with both a subject and a predicate. |
| 00:36.41 | michaelhhh | I haven't seen many commits from you in the past, are you a recent addition or a veteran developer? |
| 00:36.53 | michaelhhh | maybe i'm blind |
| 00:36.59 | *** part/#bzflag pyrobunny (~mauddib@cpe-024-165-180-044.midsouth.rr.com) |
| 00:37.03 | DTRemenak | recent...I did patches for a long time |
| 00:37.34 | michaelhhh | I tinker a bit myself .. I don't quite dedicate the hours that some of these folks do |
| 00:38.18 | DTRemenak | finally got fed up with everyone breaking vc5 and asked for/recieved cvs access |
| 00:38.33 | DTRemenak | yesterday :) |
| 00:38.41 | michaelhhh | Why.. are you using that ? |
| 00:38.44 | michaelhhh | $ ? |
| 00:38.51 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 00:39.20 | michaelhhh | or do you like it better for some reason? |
| 00:39.47 | DTRemenak | I've actually never used a newer version...this is what I have, and I don't want to spend $300 or whatever for a newer one |
| 00:40.47 | michaelhhh | understandable for what bzflag is |
| 00:41.08 | michaelhhh | no forms, gui stuff |
| 00:41.45 | DTRemenak | there's getting to be quite a bit I can't compile anymore...things depending on MFC6 |
| 00:41.54 | michaelhhh | has someone been farting around with textutils.h? |
| 00:42.19 | DTRemenak | that would be captain_proton |
| 00:45.28 | michaelhhh | vsnprintf' is not recognized by my system |
| 00:45.28 | DTRemenak | why...did he break it? |
| 00:45.32 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 00:45.38 | michaelhhh | I think it's never been used before :) |
| 00:45.39 | DTRemenak | what os? |
| 00:45.42 | scanline | so.. would it be better to add Xinerama support to bzflag's Xlib code, or just write a new SDL platform and be done with it? |
| 00:45.48 | michaelhhh | vc6 |
| 00:45.55 | DTRemenak | m |
| 00:46.04 | michaelhhh | Does it work for you? |
| 00:46.12 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 00:46.47 | CIA-5 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/include/TextUtils.h: vsnprintf is _vsnprintf on win32 |
| 00:46.53 | michaelhhh | how is allocating a 8mb buffer a good thing? |
| 00:47.13 | scanline | ... |
| 00:47.14 | DTRemenak | 8k |
| 00:47.28 | DTRemenak | still not a good thing, but let's not blow it out of proportion |
| 00:47.54 | michaelhhh | I think it's the first time that function has been used |
| 00:48.25 | michaelhhh | the beauty of #ifdef! |
| 00:48.36 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:48.50 | michaelhhh | why 8k in particular you think? |
| 00:49.33 | DTRemenak | prolly 'cause it's a real big buffer |
| 00:49.40 | michaelhhh | so I was thnking of 8192 * 1000 |
| 00:49.52 | michaelhhh | that would be big |
| 00:49.57 | michaelhhh | or 1024 or whatever |
| 00:49.58 | DTRemenak | that would be REALLY big |
| 00:50.18 | DTRemenak | ooh, he broke bzfs too |
| 00:51.09 | CIA-5 | 03micahjd * 10bzflag/BUGS: No time to hack at Xinerama now, but it should at least be in BUGS |
| 00:51.26 | michaelhhh | Xinerama ?? |
| 00:51.46 | CIA-5 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/common/bzfio.cxx: vsnprintf is _vsnprintf on win32 |
| 00:53.57 | CIA-5 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/common.dsp: Add bzfio.cxx to VC6 project |
| 00:53.57 | scanline | DTRemenak: shouldn't you just "#if defined(_WIN32) #define vsnprintf _vsnprintf" somewhere instead of adding an #ifdef every single place vsnprintf gets used?? |
| 00:54.07 | DTRemenak | probably |
| 00:54.12 | DTRemenak | I thought there was only one |
| 00:54.15 | DTRemenak | but there were two |
| 00:54.22 | DTRemenak | are we planning on using it more? |
| 00:55.00 | scanline | it doesn't matter |
| 00:55.07 | DTRemenak | heh, ok |
| 00:55.14 | scanline | much cleaner to make your little kludge just once |
| 00:55.33 | michaelhhh | scanline is the #define dude |
| 00:55.44 | michaelhhh | if I am not mistake |
| 00:55.45 | michaelhhh | n |
| 00:55.53 | scanline | michaelhhh: you like talking don't you |
| 00:55.59 | michaelhhh | Am I right? |
| 00:56.14 | michaelhhh | I'm sure you're correct in this case |
| 00:56.14 | JBdiGriz | Actually he likes typing |
| 00:56.35 | michaelhhh | It just doesn't work as well in vc++ |
| 00:56.37 | scanline | michaelhhh: sure it's fun to abuse the preprocessor sometimes, but #ifdef is something you want as little of as possible |
| 00:57.03 | michaelhhh | because vc++ doesn't seem to track #define very well, at least not 6 |
| 00:57.22 | *** join/#bzflag KR (~krrt@cae168-234-239.sc.rr.com) |
| 00:57.35 | KR | hi all |
| 00:57.51 | michaelhhh | I figure you must *not* be using it and that's why define looks/works better for you |
| 00:58.04 | sussudio | badger |
| 00:59.06 | michaelhhh | chipmunk? |
| 00:59.15 | sussudio | badgerrrrrrrr |
| 01:00.32 | captain_proton | michaelhhh: um, it should |
| 01:01.09 | michaelhhh | I just mean you can't wave your mouse over it and figure out what it is |
| 01:01.45 | michaelhhh | It compiles fine for sure |
| 01:02.10 | CIA-5 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (include/TextUtils.h src/common/bzfio.cxx win32/VC6/config.h): Make scanline happy |
| 01:02.22 | captain_proton | michaelhhh: that's an awfully bad excuse for not doing it =/ |
| 01:02.28 | michaelhhh | Awww |
| 01:02.46 | JBdiGriz | hey kr, quol |
| 01:02.55 | michaelhhh | Well I don't know.. does 7 tell you what it is? |
| 01:03.00 | KR | how-dee JB |
| 01:03.13 | Quol | hey JBdiGriz |
| 01:03.36 | Quol | anyone know where that badwords file is kept? |
| 01:03.58 | scanline | michaelhhh: you'd really be far better off if you stopped to learn how to program rather than expecting fancy tools and other people to tell you what's going on |
| 01:04.01 | JBdiGriz | Quol, learner should be able to help you with that. He's hiding around here today. |
| 01:04.06 | captain_proton | its in cvs - bzflag/misc/multilingualSwearList.txt |
| 01:04.50 | mobile | http://brlcad.org/bzflag/cvs/misc/multilingualSwearList.txt |
| 01:12.43 | CIA-5 | 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/ (include/common.h win32/VC6/config.h): move the _vsnprintf definition to a place where all windows users can benefit |
| 01:17.49 | *** part/#bzflag orchid (~bzgirl@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 01:19.11 | michaelhhh | but at least I don't propose huge commercial ventures and ask if someone else would like to *help* |
| 01:19.31 | sussudio | who came up with these dutch cursewords? they're crap |
| 01:19.43 | Noodleman | contribute some |
| 01:20.11 | sussudio | 'makak' isn't even a real word, i've never heard it being used before |
| 01:20.44 | captain_proton | sussudio: yes, if things are incorrect, please make an effort to fix them, rather than just complaining =/ |
| 01:21.46 | stibnite | lol |
| 01:21.50 | michaelhhh | you speak dutchish? |
| 01:22.37 | sussudio | ha schweinehund is misspelled |
| 01:22.38 | stibnite | pfft |
| 01:22.51 | stibnite | michaelhhh: the word you're looking for is 'hollandaise' |
| 01:23.06 | michaelhhh | ah so |
| 01:23.17 | stibnite | not the first time I've been called one |
| 01:23.28 | michaelhhh | ah so! |
| 01:24.00 | sussudio | lord of the donkeys?? |
| 01:24.20 | michaelhhh | So is " |
| 01:24.20 | michaelhhh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.24 | stibnite | pick a title and stick with it, suss |
| 01:24.33 | michaelhhh | patlabor in disguise? |
| 01:24.37 | mobile | there are a variety of misspellings on purpose |
| 01:25.36 | sussudio | mobile: makak and ekrem are not dutch words, let alone cursewords |
| 01:26.14 | mobile | i don't recall all of the contributions, that might be from another language or perhaps phonetic even |
| 01:34.48 | *** join/#bzflag jacques (~foo@westcoast.activebuddy.com) |
| 01:35.34 | *** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (~david@electricelf.registered.freenode) |
| 01:40.33 | jacques | cool sf anon cvs is back |
| 01:47.54 | creeperz | how do i get current cvs source? |
| 01:49.19 | sussudio | weeperz: http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/ |
| 01:49.21 | Noodleman | ~sfsname |
| 01:49.24 | Noodleman | ~sfsnap |
| 01:49.26 | | [sfsnap] http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/ |
| 01:49.37 | captain_proton | supposedly anon should be reasonably synced with devel, now |
| 01:50.20 | creeperz | last time i tried to build i got like 800 soem errors for some strange reason :-/ |
| 01:51.30 | jacques | I just checked out anon cvs and am building now |
| 01:51.53 | jacques | on slow work machine tho |
| 01:52.44 | jacques | captain_proton: I saw your "voyager" episode last night :-) |
| 01:53.17 | captain_proton | its just a good name |
| 01:54.28 | jacques | heh |
| 02:02.29 | creeperz | how do i compile pybzflag? |
| 02:02.35 | Patlabor221 | you don't |
| 02:02.38 | Patlabor221 | it's python |
| 02:02.44 | Patlabor221 | no complie |
| 02:02.45 | Patlabor221 | just run |
| 02:02.54 | creeperz | what do i run? |
| 02:03.04 | Patlabor221 | do you ahve python and all the modules installed? |
| 02:03.11 | *** join/#bzflag michaelhhh (Mouse@172-144.dynamic.visi.com) |
| 02:03.13 | Patlabor221 | and what pybzflag module do you want to run? |
| 02:03.13 | creeperz | i thought i did |
| 02:03.28 | creeperz | hmm |
| 02:03.29 | creeperz | dont |
| 02:03.31 | michaelhhh | I was just autokicked for going too fast, it was when I grabbed a burrow flag |
| 02:03.33 | creeperz | let me grab it |
| 02:03.41 | creeperz | same here :-) |
| 02:03.45 | Patlabor221 | well again what pybzflag module do you want to run? |
| 02:03.52 | Patlabor221 | map viewer |
| 02:03.56 | Patlabor221 | server connection thing? |
| 02:04.02 | Patlabor221 | model viewer? |
| 02:04.08 | creeperz | i wanna PLAY it |
| 02:04.12 | Patlabor221 | play what? |
| 02:04.17 | Patlabor221 | there is NO game |
| 02:04.36 | Patlabor221 | it was never finsihed |
| 02:04.41 | scanline | creeperz: pybzflag was just an experiment really, it's for developers.. there's nothing to play, and it's not going to be easy to use |
| 02:04.52 | creeperz | i know |
| 02:05.05 | Patlabor221 | there is no game part |
| 02:05.07 | creeperz | noodle already told me bout it |
| 02:05.17 | Patlabor221 | then why do you say you want to "play" it? |
| 02:05.25 | Patlabor221 | there is nothing to play |
| 02:05.30 | scanline | you can use it to connect to a bzflag server and look around (or at least you could before the protocol changed) and you can view levels in it |
| 02:05.32 | Patlabor221 | you can look at some maps, and stuff |
| 02:05.39 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:05.47 | scanline | but there's no playable client |
| 02:06.04 | Patlabor221 | scanline did it log in as an observer? |
| 02:06.09 | scanline | so the coolest things you can do with it right now are view levels, or try some of the small tech demos |
| 02:06.14 | scanline | Patlabor221: yes |
| 02:06.17 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 02:06.30 | Patlabor221 | recording movies of that would be neat :) |
| 02:06.33 | scanline | shouldn't be hard to fix, as all the protocol definitions in pybzflag are pretty high-level |
| 02:06.51 | creeperz | ok, what the fuck ever. i just wanted to "view" it or what the fuck ever |
| 02:07.04 | Patlabor221 | view a map? |
| 02:07.09 | Patlabor221 | and watch the language please |
| 02:07.18 | scanline | creeperz: you just have to understand pybzflag isn't a single program that you 'play' or 'view'.. it's a library, and there are a bunch of small programs using that library |
| 02:07.23 | Patlabor221 | you can log in as an observer in a 1.7 game |
| 02:07.32 | scanline | Patlabor221: no, it wasn't 1.7 |
| 02:07.42 | Patlabor221 | oh it was early 1.9 wasnt it |
| 02:07.46 | scanline | yep |
| 02:07.47 | Patlabor221 | so there are no servers around for it |
| 02:07.53 | michaelhhh | doh |
| 02:07.57 | creeperz | damn |
| 02:07.58 | Patlabor221 | then you can load maps creeper |
| 02:07.59 | creeperz | oh well |
| 02:07.59 | scanline | it does include its own server :) |
| 02:08.04 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 02:08.04 | michaelhhh | 1.9 ? |
| 02:08.15 | Patlabor221 | 1.9.x the betas |
| 02:08.23 | scanline | and it has sort of a virtual map namespace, so you can load ASCII maps, binary maps, generate random maps, and such |
| 02:08.26 | Patlabor221 | that wat was before 1.10 |
| 02:08.28 | michaelhhh | the server I mean .. is it 1.9 or 1.7 |
| 02:08.43 | Patlabor221 | probably the 1.9 variant they last worked on |
| 02:08.44 | scanline | the server is the same protocol as the client, they use the same code |
| 02:08.52 | michaelhhh | narly |
| 02:09.08 | jacques | oooh I love the new tank skins |
| 02:09.19 | michaelhhh | the flags are cool too |
| 02:09.27 | jacques | yeah definitely |
| 02:09.43 | Patlabor221 | scanlines pybzflag flag texture is now in the standard install :) |
| 02:09.52 | scanline | Patlabor221: why did you desaturate it so much? |
| 02:09.55 | michaelhhh | not sure I quite dig the base texture |
| 02:10.01 | Patlabor221 | well cus of team colors |
| 02:10.10 | Patlabor221 | it does a color blend for team flags |
| 02:10.18 | Patlabor221 | and it looked odd blending yellow with say green |
| 02:10.21 | scanline | hmm |
| 02:10.31 | scanline | hence it being superflag.png :) |
| 02:10.34 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 02:10.43 | scanline | mmkay |
| 02:10.46 | Patlabor221 | but I can't make BZ use a difrent texture for CTF flags |
| 02:10.53 | Patlabor221 | all flags are prealocated |
| 02:11.01 | Patlabor221 | so the texture is asigned before we know what it is |
| 02:11.03 | Patlabor221 | it sucked |
| 02:11.10 | Patlabor221 | I wanted to do per team flags |
| 02:11.23 | scanline | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/pybzflag/BZFlag/Protocol/FromServer.py?rev=1.12&view=markup <-- yum, nice clean protocol definition :) |
| 02:11.30 | Patlabor221 | I will do per team flags, but I have to rip flag handaling, or at least flag drawing a new one |
| 02:11.40 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (bryjen@ky-owensboro1a-242.owboky.adelphia.net) |
| 02:11.42 | Patlabor221 | so in the meantime, I make it gray |
| 02:11.56 | Patlabor221 | it's still a better flag then the old one, IMHO |
| 02:12.06 | Patlabor221 | I may use that tank image for the bases, I really like it |
| 02:12.11 | scanline | well, that's not hard :) |
| 02:12.13 | Patlabor221 | I used it for the new menu_arrow too |
| 02:12.19 | scanline | eh.. IMHO a tank image on the base is silly |
| 02:12.20 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (~bzgirl@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 02:12.37 | Patlabor221 | I like it better then the old 100% color one |
| 02:12.43 | Patlabor221 | your bases are better |
| 02:12.45 | scanline | captain_proton should retake some screenies and movies of pybzflag, since it isn't working for me at the moment :) |
| 02:12.49 | Patlabor221 | I thought about making a static one |
| 02:13.02 | Patlabor221 | based on your images |
| 02:13.09 | captain_proton | heh |
| 02:13.18 | Patlabor221 | maybe I'll do that for the high res ones |
| 02:14.32 | *** join/#bzflag KR (~krrt@cae168-234-239.sc.rr.com) |
| 02:14.43 | KR | re |
| 02:17.45 | Nidhoggr | wow. howard dean is REALLY trailing in the caucuses with only 18% with 50some percent of the precincts reporting. |
| 02:18.40 | Patlabor221 | I know there was one more graphic thing I wanted to do |
| 02:19.47 | Patlabor221 | scanline do you even have a thumbnail of what the pybzflag bases looked like? |
| 02:20.01 | sussudio | Patlabor221: sacrifice a goat? |
| 02:20.04 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 02:20.22 | scanline | Patlabor221: yeah, lemme get the URL... |
| 02:20.24 | scanline | er |
| 02:20.25 | scanline | wait |
| 02:20.30 | Patlabor221 | a goat? no I'm not doing any fertility stuff |
| 02:20.35 | scanline | that was on the RAID, and we still have no controller card |
| 02:21.16 | Nidhoggr | crap build fails on vc71 in bzfs. |
| 02:21.27 | Patlabor221 | error? |
| 02:21.37 | scanline | http://navi.cx/~micah/pybzflag-recovered/ |
| 02:21.39 | Nidhoggr | bzfs error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "void __cdecl formatDebug(char const *,...)" (?formatDebug@@YAXPBDZZ) referenced in function "void __cdecl pwrite(int,void const *,int)" (?pwrite@@YAXHPBXH@Z) |
| 02:21.45 | Nidhoggr | a bunch of those |
| 02:21.49 | Patlabor221 | sigh, CAPPPPY!!!!!! |
| 02:21.53 | Patlabor221 | what got added? |
| 02:22.04 | Patlabor221 | thanks scanline |
| 02:22.05 | Nidhoggr | bzfs error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "void __cdecl formatDebug(char const *,...)" (?formatDebug@@YAXPBDZZ) referenced in function "void __cdecl pwrite(int,void const *,int)" (?pwrite@@YAXHPBXH@Z) |
| 02:22.14 | Patlabor221 | it's ok nid, don't need to see any more |
| 02:22.22 | Nidhoggr | I thought it might be different |
| 02:22.26 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (~MAC@balt-209-163-100-142.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 02:22.26 | Patlabor221 | it's ok |
| 02:22.28 | Patlabor221 | I know what happend |
| 02:22.29 | Nidhoggr | since it repeats 4 times |
| 02:22.29 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 02:22.30 | Patlabor221 | fixing now |
| 02:22.33 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 02:22.51 | Nidhoggr | <--- just trying to be helpful. |
| 02:22.56 | Nidhoggr | one too many beers maybe. |
| 02:22.57 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 02:23.15 | scanline | ooh yeah.. bzflag needs water, like pybzflag had :) |
| 02:23.28 | Patlabor221 | what objects had it? |
| 02:23.38 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i added src/common/bzfio.cxx |
| 02:23.42 | scanline | flat-ish pyramids near the ground |
| 02:23.45 | Patlabor221 | ok, thanks |
| 02:24.09 | MrApathyCream | scanline: upside down? |
| 02:24.27 | scanline | no, this was written before anybody really used those much IIRC |
| 02:24.50 | sussudio | MrApathyCream: [00:40:13] * captain_proton wonders if MAC is gonna survive the flood of trowbridge commits |
| 02:24.54 | scanline | ooh yes.. and X-Ray Mode! |
| 02:25.00 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 02:25.03 | *** join/#bzflag jacques (~foo@westcoast.activebuddy.com) |
| 02:25.22 | jacques | wow, remind me not to do that again |
| 02:25.31 | MrApathyCream | sussudio: these are in the future? |
| 02:25.45 | jacques | i wanted a few more fps on this slow work machine so I ran nvclock |
| 02:25.46 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: checked yer dev email? |
| 02:25.50 | sussudio | MrApathyCream: future? |
| 02:25.55 | jacques | i think I must have put in the wrong values :-) |
| 02:26.16 | MrApathyCream | yes... checking again |
| 02:26.35 | MrApathyCream | i see a thousand jeff's |
| 02:26.49 | sussudio | multiplicity? |
| 02:27.04 | creeperz | how do i build just bzflag? |
| 02:27.23 | MrApathyCream | no cappy |
| 02:28.26 | MrApathyCream | ths is bzflag he checked into? |
| 02:29.13 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/common.vcproj: add capys new file to the .net build |
| 02:29.18 | Patlabor221 | 1000 me's |
| 02:29.25 | Patlabor221 | creeper, what build sytem? |
| 02:29.33 | scanline | http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag |
| 02:29.48 | scanline | there are a few davidtrowbot commits there... |
| 02:30.06 | MrApathyCream | i haven't got any yet |
| 02:30.19 | Patlabor221 | how do we see who is winning? |
| 02:30.31 | jacques | wow the grungy teleporters are awesome |
| 02:30.45 | Patlabor221 | yeah they came out prety good |
| 02:30.51 | scanline | http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author |
| 02:30.57 | Patlabor221 | Nidhoggr, you should be good now |
| 02:31.21 | Patlabor221 | ohh any way to sort by project? |
| 02:31.40 | scanline | Patlabor221: how would that work? a lot of people work on multiple projects... |
| 02:31.44 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: weird |
| 02:32.00 | Patlabor221 | yes, but you could still see a comparison in one project |
| 02:32.08 | Patlabor221 | sorry not sort |
| 02:32.13 | Patlabor221 | yes it makes no sense on that list |
| 02:32.16 | captain_proton | http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/davidtrowbridge |
| 02:32.17 | captain_proton | :) |
| 02:32.21 | scanline | yeah. I could set up a stats://project/BZFlag/authors page maybe |
| 02:32.26 | Patlabor221 | yeah like that |
| 02:32.32 | MrApathyCream | last one was: Sean: 1:34 bzflsMy.php 1.15.1.16 |
| 02:32.54 | scanline | CIA really just needs a way to make associations between authors and projects.. there's a pretty good method for doing that in the TODO list |
| 02:33.11 | MrApathyCream | oh! hehe, email is at: 20 of 132 |
| 02:33.33 | Patlabor221 | be cool to see who is the commit master for each release :) |
| 02:33.35 | MrApathyCream | dialup ya know |
| 02:34.49 | mobile | afternoon, mac |
| 02:34.53 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton / scanline, so it's a gray base color ( texture? ) with a color tinged outer box, and a color tinged inner rotor? |
| 02:35.15 | Patlabor221 | how is the sickness going learner? |
| 02:35.23 | scanline | Patlabor221: the base is rendered just like a box, so it has the world-aligned concrete and the oil stains and such.. then there are two decals |
| 02:35.23 | MrApathyCream | hey learner |
| 02:35.34 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 02:35.37 | mobile | i've stayed here in bed most of the day, getting better, I think |
| 02:35.38 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: the pybzflag bases? |
| 02:35.42 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 02:35.44 | captain_proton | lemme make a video |
| 02:35.48 | Patlabor221 | ooo :) |
| 02:36.27 | Patlabor221 | I dig the look of them, going to see what I can do for a recreation in the current system |
| 02:36.54 | Patlabor221 | ok so box tops were the concrete.jpg I asume |
| 02:37.22 | scanline | there were multiple styles of concrete IIRC |
| 02:37.33 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/include/TextUtils.h: ifdef for win |
| 02:37.51 | captain_proton | http://navi.cx/~jupiter/snapshot01.avi |
| 02:38.08 | scanline | ok, yep.. concrete.jpeg was the top and bottom of boxen |
| 02:38.14 | scanline | at least normal boxen |
| 02:38.15 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 02:38.23 | scanline | oh, wait |
| 02:38.29 | scanline | that was only when multitexture wasn't avaliable |
| 02:38.31 | Patlabor221 | okk looks like a blend from color to white |
| 02:38.39 | Patlabor221 | the "throb" |
| 02:38.52 | scanline | with multitexture it used both concrete.jpeg and lightmap.jpeg |
| 02:39.00 | Patlabor221 | ohh ok |
| 02:39.09 | creeperz | i get this when i try to build: |
| 02:39.10 | creeperz | Error executing c:\windows\system32\cmd.exe. |
| 02:39.23 | Patlabor221 | what part are you trying to buid? |
| 02:39.26 | Patlabor221 | what are you clicking on? |
| 02:39.30 | creeperz | installer |
| 02:39.31 | scanline | Patlabor221: if you have a pybzflag source tree handy, this is all in BZFlag/UI/Drawable/Box.py |
| 02:39.42 | Patlabor221 | I do |
| 02:39.44 | creeperz | well, everything gets that |
| 02:39.47 | Patlabor221 | I just got the code part |
| 02:39.51 | creeperz | bzfs, bzadmin, bzflag |
| 02:40.01 | Patlabor221 | creeper right click on the BZFLAG project and hit "rebuild" |
| 02:40.24 | scanline | Patlabor221: most of the textures in there actually were designed to be multitextured.. the walls were brick.jpeg + wall_grime.jpeg, with different repeats for instance |
| 02:40.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:40.44 | Patlabor221 | I'm kinda faking it |
| 02:40.53 | MrApathyCream | i am gonna even recognize the game when i start playing? |
| 02:41.01 | Patlabor221 | what did it do for a non square base? |
| 02:41.11 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: the real graphics stuff hasn't even begun yet |
| 02:41.22 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 02:41.27 | scanline | Patlabor221: the decals were scaled in an aspect-preserving way |
| 02:41.37 | scanline | IIRC |
| 02:41.52 | creeperz | build or build (selection only)? |
| 02:42.06 | Patlabor221 | rebuild |
| 02:42.36 | creeperz | where does it say rebuild? |
| 02:42.40 | scanline | Patlabor221: I think actually that the fixed portion was scaled to the entire base size, but the rotating part always stays circular |
| 02:42.56 | scanline | so if you have a really oddly proportioned base, there's a border around the whole thing, but you have a small circle rotating in the middle |
| 02:43.54 | captain_proton | what i really needs is to have separate textures for the corners & sides of the border |
| 02:43.58 | captain_proton | so you can preserve aspect on those too |
| 02:44.01 | scanline | indeed |
| 02:44.02 | Patlabor221 | that would be cool |
| 02:44.31 | creeperz | patlabor221: Right-click on "bzflag files" and click rebuild? |
| 02:45.08 | Patlabor221 | your using VC 6 ? |
| 02:45.21 | creeperz | yes |
| 02:45.30 | Patlabor221 | then just hit build |
| 02:45.35 | Patlabor221 | on bzflag |
| 02:45.47 | Patlabor221 | or change the build to bzflag and pick rebuild all from the build menu |
| 02:45.52 | creeperz | Error executing cl.exe |
| 02:46.02 | Patlabor221 | then your VC is not installed properly |
| 02:46.04 | Patlabor221 | reinstall it |
| 02:46.14 | Patlabor221 | ok I can do a quicky static image, |
| 02:46.14 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/stopgap.png |
| 02:46.23 | Patlabor221 | or do some more work and put the spining thing on it |
| 02:47.10 | scanline | well, the color's wrong.. and the middle doodad is a bit small |
| 02:47.32 | scanline | what's up with the sides of the base? |
| 02:47.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah I just busted out a test in photoshop |
| 02:47.41 | MrApathyCream | creeperz, right click bzflag, and choose build selection |
| 02:47.42 | Patlabor221 | to see how it worked |
| 02:47.53 | Patlabor221 | I am tweaking it now |
| 02:48.10 | creeperz | same error |
| 02:48.27 | Patlabor221 | did you recently reinstall windows and not reinstall VC? |
| 02:48.49 | creeperz | recently reinsalled windows |
| 02:48.55 | creeperz | and not reinstall vc |
| 02:49.00 | Patlabor221 | you can't do that |
| 02:49.04 | Patlabor221 | reinstall VC too |
| 02:49.14 | Patlabor221 | VC adds stuff to the sytem |
| 02:49.25 | Patlabor221 | you don't have the VC registry stuff |
| 02:49.31 | Patlabor221 | and probaly none of the files |
| 02:50.05 | creeperz | ahh |
| 02:50.17 | creeperz | k |
| 02:51.49 | jacques | what options should I adjust to increase my fps on this slow machine? |
| 02:52.05 | captain_proton | what card? |
| 02:54.15 | jacques | nvidia geforce2 mx |
| 02:54.32 | Patlabor221 | what OS? |
| 02:55.31 | jacques | linux |
| 02:55.47 | Patlabor221 | how many FPS you geting on average now? |
| 02:55.49 | jacques | this is my work machine - at home I dont have to worry about fps :-D |
| 02:55.56 | jacques | averaging around 35 |
| 02:56.03 | Patlabor221 | a MX should be fine |
| 02:56.26 | jacques | but then I am running 1280x1024 in 24/32 bpp |
| 02:56.28 | Patlabor221 | I get 60+ on my little GF 2, and the 2MX |
| 02:56.34 | Patlabor221 | yeah me too |
| 02:56.38 | jacques | since that's what my x session runs at |
| 02:56.38 | Patlabor221 | usualy 1600 |
| 02:56.41 | Patlabor221 | the one true res |
| 02:57.07 | jacques | argh I wonder what my problem is then - CPU is slow too - PIII 550 |
| 02:57.23 | Patlabor221 | does it seem worse on more complex maps? |
| 02:58.15 | jacques | well I just built CVS and am in observer mode on a spirals 3.0 game |
| 02:58.32 | jacques | havent run recent versions on this machine so I dont have a lot of data points |
| 02:58.56 | MrApathyCream | i think observer mode drawing is oddly slow |
| 02:59.24 | jacques | aah let me join quickly and see if there's a difference |
| 03:00.07 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/ (4 files): use pybzflag inspired base textures |
| 03:01.11 | jacques | ok I joined and sometimes seemed to get a few more fps but not many, then the firewall shut me down :-( |
| 03:01.20 | jacques | i guess I just cant play at work |
| 03:01.38 | jacques | strangely it had mo problem with observer mode |
| 03:01.50 | jacques | is observer tcp and play udp? |
| 03:03.34 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 03:03.59 | MrApathyCream | it may be that observer redraws based on network traffic, i dunno tho |
| 03:04.06 | Patlabor221 | MrApathyCream, did you see the feature I added for you? |
| 03:04.21 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 03:04.27 | MrApathyCream | still waiting for email |
| 03:04.32 | jacques | i wonder why our firewall would let me observe but not play |
| 03:04.40 | Patlabor221 | pole width |
| 03:05.02 | Patlabor221 | it's a real geo pole now for exp quality |
| 03:05.18 | MrApathyCream | ah, cool |
| 03:06.13 | Patlabor221 | and did you see the new flag? |
| 03:06.34 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 03:06.38 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 03:06.58 | MrApathyCream | my email is choking, it appears, i've gotten about 5 duplicates of everything so far |
| 03:07.11 | MrApathyCream | did 1.10.4 go out? |
| 03:07.21 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/mobeterflag.png |
| 03:07.22 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 03:07.25 | Patlabor221 | not yet |
| 03:07.41 | MrApathyCream | oh the visual, i saw the email |
| 03:08.57 | MrApathyCream | cool |
| 03:09.10 | MrApathyCream | are the team/antidote flags the same? |
| 03:09.37 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/boxwall.png: use pybzflag boxwall cus it kicks more ass then ass should be kicked. |
| 03:09.37 | Patlabor221 | all flags look like that |
| 03:09.40 | Patlabor221 | but are colored |
| 03:09.43 | MrApathyCream | are the exper graphics part of the installer? |
| 03:09.51 | Patlabor221 | there are 2 installers |
| 03:09.57 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 03:09.58 | Patlabor221 | check your dir |
| 03:10.03 | Patlabor221 | one for normal and one for high res |
| 03:10.03 | MrApathyCream | ah ok |
| 03:10.10 | Patlabor221 | we'll jsut publish both |
| 03:10.15 | MrApathyCream | for all platforms? |
| 03:10.17 | Patlabor221 | and I'll make zip/tgz files |
| 03:10.19 | Patlabor221 | no just for windows |
| 03:10.27 | Patlabor221 | don't know how to do installers for "them" |
| 03:10.36 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 03:10.40 | Patlabor221 | didn't want them in the default install, as it adds like 4 megs |
| 03:10.43 | MrApathyCream | but in theory that is what should be done? |
| 03:10.59 | Patlabor221 | yes if they want to keep up with us here on the cutting edge |
| 03:11.01 | MrApathyCream | nice |
| 03:11.19 | MrApathyCream | we are the bz dev platform of choice, after all |
| 03:11.52 | Patlabor221 | still haven't found a good pyramid texture |
| 03:12.16 | Patlabor221 | the pybzflag black marble dosn't do it for me |
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| 03:14.07 | scanline | Patlabor221: well, it's cooler with dynamic environment maps :) |
| 03:14.16 | Patlabor221 | yeah I'm sure it is |
| 03:14.25 | Patlabor221 | I do like the blueness of the current one |
| 03:14.31 | Patlabor221 | and I'm sure you used a difrent repeat system |
| 03:14.36 | Patlabor221 | here it repeats way too much |
| 03:14.42 | scanline | oh, yeah |
| 03:15.03 | Patlabor221 | the boxwall does look good |
| 03:15.07 | Patlabor221 | it's now the standard |
| 03:15.12 | MrApathyCream | finally here comes the cappy checkins |
| 03:15.13 | scanline | neat |
| 03:15.56 | Patlabor221 | the cool thing is I don't think Timmy will complain about the new textures, cus I don't think he ever fires up a client |
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| 03:17.44 | MrApathyCream | createsliders... what a concept |
| 03:17.45 | Patlabor221 | wonder how many people will do the high res pack |
| 03:17.47 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 03:17.54 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: hehe |
| 03:18.03 | mobile | do I get to complain if I don't like them? |
| 03:18.12 | Patlabor221 | no, your a mac user |
| 03:18.25 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 03:18.36 | Patlabor221 | Could make a aqua set for you :) |
| 03:18.42 | mobile | heh |
| 03:18.43 | Patlabor221 | make everying be blue and wet |
| 03:18.50 | bryjen | slimey |
| 03:18.51 | mobile | brushed metal |
| 03:18.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah that too |
| 03:19.18 | Patlabor221 | even tho the bases are static, I think they look better then the silly tank ones |
| 03:19.58 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.29 | bryjen | for the hi-res textures |
| 03:20.47 | mobile | Z archives that we can decompress in memory would be great for plugin themes |
| 03:20.55 | MrApathyCream | woops |
| 03:20.55 | jacques | I'll definitely try high res textures on my home machine - I get about 160fps now so I have a few to spare |
| 03:21.09 | MrApathyCream | hey folks, looks like i stomped on a vnsprintf fix |
| 03:21.24 | MrApathyCream | so we should use vsnprintf everywhere and it's ifdefed somewhere? |
| 03:21.58 | CIA-5 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/include/TextUtils.h: Simplify things by including common.h instead of however many header files and ifdefs |
| 03:22.02 | DTRemenak | MAC: just took care of it :) |
| 03:22.08 | MrApathyCream | ok rhanks |
| 03:22.39 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/bases.png |
| 03:22.49 | Patlabor221 | don't worry about the texture repeat now, I'm working on that |
| 03:23.05 | creeperz | purty |
| 03:23.17 | bryjen | hehe. rotary telephone dial. phone home :) |
| 03:23.40 | Patlabor221 | still makes a cool base |
| 03:23.57 | jacques | wowee! candyland! |
| 03:24.52 | bryjen | oh! or a transport ring platform. |
| 03:25.24 | scanline | Patlabor221: does it glow yet? :) |
| 03:25.28 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 03:25.34 | Patlabor221 | not gonna do that this time |
| 03:25.43 | Patlabor221 | would have to add a new scene node |
| 03:26.12 | Patlabor221 | working on changing the reps for exp mode |
| 03:27.17 | jacques | i think it should glow and emit low level ground hugging haze |
| 03:27.40 | Patlabor221 | teleporters should have the goua'ld transport rings come out of the ground |
| 03:28.07 | bryjen | naw. the gate effect instead of the black curtain thing. |
| 03:28.16 | bryjen | with yellow-out |
| 03:28.25 | Patlabor221 | well need to types of porters then don't we |
| 03:28.44 | scanline | jacques: eventually the bases will probably look like this -> http://navi.cx/~jupiter/snapshot01.avi |
| 03:29.43 | Nidhoggr | oooh purdy |
| 03:30.00 | Patlabor221 | mac what is the fix for the vsprintf thing? |
| 03:30.23 | MrApathyCream | apparently it is ifdefed in some header |
| 03:30.26 | MrApathyCream | so my thingy was reverted |
| 03:30.35 | Patlabor221 | so what do I do? |
| 03:30.37 | DTRemenak | vsnprintf is _vsnprintf on windows |
| 03:30.39 | Patlabor221 | just update? |
| 03:30.42 | DTRemenak | ya |
| 03:30.43 | MrApathyCream | just use vnsfprintf |
| 03:31.11 | Patlabor221 | vSn or vNs ? |
| 03:31.18 | Patlabor221 | and do we commit this change? |
| 03:31.21 | DTRemenak | vsn |
| 03:31.22 | Patlabor221 | as I 'm not buildablen ow |
| 03:31.27 | Patlabor221 | vsnprintf |
| 03:31.31 | Patlabor221 | NFG on my system |
| 03:31.40 | DTRemenak | it's defined in config.h |
| 03:31.42 | MrApathyCream | vsnprintf |
| 03:31.43 | DTRemenak | er, common.h |
| 03:31.55 | DTRemenak | but common.h wasn't included |
| 03:32.10 | Patlabor221 | trying |
| 03:32.50 | jacques | scanline: hmm my mplayer wont play that :-( |
| 03:33.19 | jacques | but xine does - WOW |
| 03:34.08 | jacques | when do we get ingame vid screens? :-D |
| 03:35.55 | Patlabor221 | that do what? |
| 03:37.39 | bryjen | play ads from the server to generate revenue for the operators? |
| 03:41.16 | CIA-5 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/bzflag.dsp: stars are now in a .h...let's tell vc! |
| 03:44.25 | *** join/#bzflag KR (~krrt@cae168-234-239.sc.rr.com) |
| 03:45.18 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (SceneBuilder.cxx SceneRenderer.cxx bzflag.cxx): make experimental mode use a texture repeat that works beter with high res textures. |
| 03:46.03 | MrApathyCream | bryjen, why not just put texture ads on the buildings |
| 03:49.59 | bryjen | still needs server supplied textures |
| 03:50.11 | MrApathyCream | yupyup |
| 03:50.15 | bryjen | and Pat's gone home, so maybe tomorrow ;) |
| 03:50.22 | MrApathyCream | he'll be home in 10 mins |
| 03:50.26 | MrApathyCream | to start up again :) |
| 03:51.36 | jacques | yeah I guess the vid screens could really be abused by some server ops :-) |
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| 03:55.01 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: how do you specify debug settings in bzflag (ie -d as in bzfs)? |
| 04:08.01 | Noodleman | i r a crystalized cat kidney |
| 04:13.35 | creeperz | noodleman is too |
| 04:13.53 | creeperz | just look at his beady lil elbows |
| 04:19.49 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o MrApathyCream] by ChanServ |
| 04:34.39 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/ (src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx src/common/bzfio.cxx include/bzfio.h): Enable cout debugging in bzflag on win32 |
| 04:43.15 | creeperz | do de do |
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| 04:58.42 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/common/StateDatabase.cxx: give win32 a chance to debug statedatbase |
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| 05:05.40 | Nidhoggr | patlabor.. feel free to stick your alternate file on dragon.org for downloading if your connection is getting really bogged down. |
| 05:06.24 | Nidhoggr | ah |
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| 05:07.16 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: -debug |
| 05:07.24 | MrApathyCream | -debug -debug -debug ? |
| 05:07.46 | MrApathyCream | and does that set BZDB.setDebug() ? |
| 05:08.12 | captain_proton | yes to the first |
| 05:08.52 | MrApathyCream | meh to the second? |
| 05:08.57 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 05:09.02 | captain_proton | it actually uses a global |
| 05:09.14 | MrApathyCream | so -debug is only tied to DEBUG1 etc? |
| 05:09.14 | captain_proton | as i don't think everything has a BZDB right now |
| 05:09.20 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~JeffM@adsl-64-167-79-227.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 05:09.20 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 05:09.23 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: yup |
| 05:09.26 | MrApathyCream | look it's the king |
| 05:09.40 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 05:10.23 | *** join/#bzflag zoink (~cgiirc@66.62.140.111) |
| 05:10.47 | Patlabor221 | king? |
| 05:10.56 | Patlabor221 | elvis is here? |
| 05:11.37 | MrApathyCream | that b u |
| 05:11.39 | captain_proton | right now the only stuff that actually uses the debug level stuff is DEBUGx(), so i didn't see the need to go through all the effort and overhead of using BZDB |
| 05:11.44 | Patlabor221 | me? |
| 05:11.48 | MrApathyCream | yah |
| 05:11.56 | Patlabor221 | I'm not elvis |
| 05:12.08 | Patlabor221 | tho are you trying to say I'm geting fat? |
| 05:12.12 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: BZDB does rather lengthy debug code outside of DEBUGx so i'll set setDebug on for debuglevel 4 |
| 05:13.44 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: set BZDB debugging on if -debugLevel is 4 |
| 05:15.31 | zoink | um is there a place to learn how things work in here? |
| 05:15.48 | Patlabor221 | in IRC? |
| 05:16.05 | zoink | yes like a website |
| 05:16.22 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure there are some IRC tutorials on google |
| 05:16.31 | zoink | ok thankyou |
| 05:18.10 | Patlabor221 | how did I get "king" status? |
| 05:19.18 | TimRiker | zoink: http://irchelp.org/ |
| 05:19.39 | zoink | thank you Mr. Ricker |
| 05:19.49 | TimRiker | heh. Riker, but ok. np. |
| 05:20.06 | Patlabor221 | dude your old, he called you Mr. ;) |
| 05:20.28 | zoink | just trying to be polite to my elders :) |
| 05:20.34 | TimRiker | sure Mr Patlabor221 |
| 05:21.06 | Patlabor221 | My Neice's 9 year old friends make me feel old tho |
| 05:21.08 | TimRiker | zoink: note that native clients have more features than the CGI:IRC web interface you are using. |
| 05:21.20 | Patlabor221 | by far they do |
| 05:22.06 | TimRiker | zoink: the web interface is a good way to try it out though. welcome. |
| 05:22.30 | zoink | thank you |
| 05:22.46 | Patlabor221 | ok so I can add a field "name myboxname" to each object? |
| 05:22.56 | Patlabor221 | or just boxes and pyramids? |
| 05:22.57 | zoink | would a native client be like gaim? |
| 05:23.05 | Patlabor221 | that would be one of them yes |
| 05:23.12 | Patlabor221 | Xchat is also another good one |
| 05:23.25 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/common/Bundle.cxx: print unmapped locale strings on debug level 4 |
| 05:23.41 | zoink | i tried it what information should i enter? into gaim |
| 05:23.54 | Patlabor221 | server irc.freenode.net |
| 05:23.57 | Patlabor221 | port 6667 |
| 05:24.02 | Patlabor221 | chanel #bzflag |
| 05:24.47 | Patlabor221 | what will 1.7 do with maps that have fields it dosn't grok? |
| 05:25.02 | creeperz | sally sells sea-shells by the seashore |
| 05:25.38 | MrApathyCream | yurp i believe |
| 05:25.38 | zoink | Pallabor22:1 what do i but into the group |
| 05:25.42 | Patlabor221 | group? |
| 05:25.55 | MrApathyCream | try leaving it blank |
| 05:25.57 | Patlabor221 | there is no real group in IRC that may just be a gaim thing to put servers together |
| 05:26.02 | Patlabor221 | yeah blank |
| 05:27.01 | zoink | then it says "SNAC threw error: Busted SNAC payload" |
| 05:27.29 | Patlabor221 | IRC in gaim was kind of an afterthought, you may have better luck with xchat |
| 05:27.38 | zoink | ok |
| 05:28.01 | MrApathyCream | xchat.org |
| 05:28.01 | Patlabor221 | xchat should even have freenode allready in it |
| 05:28.45 | MrApathyCream | irc code? |
| 05:28.47 | Patlabor221 | Cap why did you not slap me whenI made this thing |
| 05:28.48 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 05:28.51 | Patlabor221 | this code |
| 05:28.56 | MrApathyCream | ah :) |
| 05:29.07 | Patlabor221 | bzedit |
| 05:29.21 | Patlabor221 | somone really need to take up ownership of it and give it a good ripping |
| 05:30.16 | Patlabor221 | naw I wrote it, have to pass the buck :) |
| 05:30.50 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:30.55 | MrApathyCream | blend 1134 acc/sec |
| 05:31.27 | Patlabor221 | blend? |
| 05:31.36 | MrApathyCream | the BZDB var |
| 05:32.04 | Patlabor221 | I cached poleWidth ( I think ) |
| 05:32.09 | Patlabor221 | can you make sure I did it right? |
| 05:32.16 | Patlabor221 | I copied pole len |
| 05:32.39 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i made it a point to not look at anything other than your gl code ;) |
| 05:32.53 | Patlabor221 | well still should have been some slapin |
| 05:32.58 | Patlabor221 | even that gl code is fugly |
| 05:33.53 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 05:34.22 | *** join/#bzflag Design (~John@24-116-195-69.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 05:34.38 | Design | this is zoink did it work? |
| 05:34.39 | creeperz | cool |
| 05:34.43 | creeperz | lotza static |
| 05:34.54 | creeperz | ouchie |
| 05:35.00 | Patlabor221 | looks like it did |
| 05:35.06 | creeperz | my right hand is numb :-( |
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| 05:35.38 | Design | it says my name zoink is in use how do i fix that |
| 05:35.58 | Patlabor221 | you didn't quit out of the web one |
| 05:36.03 | Design | o |
| 05:36.05 | Patlabor221 | so it's still online |
| 05:36.10 | creeperz | it timed out |
| 05:36.42 | *** join/#bzflag zoink (~cgiirc@66.62.140.111) |
| 05:36.45 | Patlabor221 | ok it did |
| 05:36.52 | Patlabor221 | so just type /nick zoink |
| 05:37.09 | Design | test |
| 05:37.32 | Patlabor221 | it'll say your nickname is now zoink when it works |
| 05:37.37 | Patlabor221 | just type that just like it shows there |
| 05:38.00 | Design | i logged on over the internet how do i log out |
| 05:38.10 | Patlabor221 | ??? |
| 05:38.17 | Patlabor221 | you mean a web page? |
| 05:38.23 | Patlabor221 | all things go over the net |
| 05:38.35 | Design | sry my bad... watch |
| 05:38.46 | zoink | see i |
| 05:38.54 | creeperz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.57 | TimRiker | zoink: type /quit |
| 05:39.11 | Design | ack duh |
| 05:39.13 | TimRiker | or perhaps /disconnect |
| 05:39.15 | Design | stupid me |
| 05:39.49 | zoink | test |
| 05:39.54 | creeperz | (now you should register your nick) |
| 05:40.11 | zoink | is it the same as bzflag |
| 05:40.18 | creeperz | no |
| 05:40.26 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/World.cxx: make world saver not use flipZ, and use passable |
| 05:40.30 | zoink | um what does that mean? |
| 05:40.34 | creeperz | type /nickserv register <password> |
| 05:40.42 | TimRiker | -Design- VERSION xchat 2.0.7 Windows 5.1 [i1586/2.59GHz] |
| 05:40.45 | creeperz | then to identify type /nickserv identify <password> |
| 05:40.58 | creeperz | noone can steal your nick |
| 05:41.05 | Patlabor221 | an impresive archetcture :) |
| 05:41.29 | Patlabor221 | you may want to wash it off first |
| 05:41.37 | TimRiker | ~spell archetcture |
| 05:41.40 | | possible spellings for archetcture: architecture architectures architecture's architectural architected architect |
| 05:41.55 | creeperz | why'd yu take my mojo? |
| 05:42.10 | TimRiker | creeperz: couldn't steal your nick. ;-) |
| 05:42.17 | creeperz | ahhh |
| 05:42.18 | creeperz | :-) |
| 05:43.32 | creeperz | why must i have funk/disco music stuck in my head?! |
| 05:43.46 | TimRiker | ~lart funk/disco music |
| 05:43.56 | TimRiker | ~dance |
| 05:43.58 | | ACTION becomes steve ballmer |
| 05:44.03 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 05:44.06 | creeperz | you judo chopped my brain? |
| 05:44.10 | creeperz | haha |
| 05:44.49 | zoink | so is there a problem with -Design_VERSION xchat 2.0.7 Windows 5.1 [i1586/5.59Ghz} |
| 05:45.16 | zoink | should i be on linux instead or something |
| 05:45.31 | Patlabor221 | you should be on what ever you want to be on |
| 05:45.34 | Patlabor221 | it's just odd it has a 1 |
| 05:45.40 | Patlabor221 | usualy it's i586 |
| 05:45.46 | Patlabor221 | somone probably just borked a string |
| 05:46.16 | creeperz | mmm pork |
| 05:47.11 | zoink | well time for sleep thanks for the help Patlabor221 and Riker(is that what you like to be called) |
| 05:47.18 | TimRiker | zoink: no biggie. I just found it amusing. |
| 05:47.28 | creeperz | monitor+static*mouse=BIG SHOCK! |
| 05:47.36 | TimRiker | sure. Tim, Riker, Number 1, whatever. |
| 05:47.44 | zoink | well people seem to find me that way |
| 05:47.48 | zoink | lol |
| 05:48.25 | TimRiker | nice chap. ;-) |
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| 05:48.43 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:49.08 | creeperz | he just saw the green dot in front of your name (or @) and said to himself "he's going to kill me" |
| 05:49.16 | creeperz | ;-) |
| 05:49.33 | MrApathyCream | green dot hmmm, reminds me of a puzzle |
| 05:51.00 | creeperz | still getting the cl.exe error :-/ |
| 05:51.35 | creeperz | oh well, do something with it in the morn |
| 05:51.51 | Patlabor221 | did you reinstall VC and all service packs? |
| 05:51.58 | creeperz | yes |
| 05:52.06 | Patlabor221 | then you go issues |
| 05:52.19 | MrApathyCream | A sadistic jailer holds a bunch of extremely smart and honest prisoners. |
| 05:52.27 | MrApathyCream | The prisoners are aware of this fact. |
| 05:52.30 | MrApathyCream | One day he drugs them all, and paints a red or green dot on each forehead |
| 05:52.33 | MrApathyCream | when they awake, he tells them, Each of you has a dot, either red or green |
| 05:52.37 | MrApathyCream | At least one has a green dot. Each day you will assemble and without communication |
| 05:52.42 | MrApathyCream | of any kind, you can inspect the dots of your prison mates. Then you will be put |
| 05:52.48 | MrApathyCream | back in solitary confinement. If you are sure of the color of the dot on your head |
| 05:52.52 | MrApathyCream | I will release you. |
| 05:53.10 | MrApathyCream | When and how many prisoners are released? |
| 05:53.11 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzeditw32/ (BZEdit32/objects.cpp BZEdit32/world.cpp _test/BZEdit.nsi): maintain extended objet flags on read/write. add support for passable, proper name, and neg scales |
| 05:53.26 | creeperz | WOOHOO! |
| 05:53.54 | Patlabor221 | why woohoo? |
| 05:54.03 | Patlabor221 | dosn't say anything about an interface to set them |
| 05:54.03 | creeperz | you did something you regret |
| 05:54.37 | scanline | they revamped the airport completely, now it looks just like a night club |
| 05:54.43 | scanline | everyone's excited, and confused |
| 05:55.54 | creeperz | plus, not only diid you do something you regret, this is the first thing (ive seen) done on the bzeditw32 project |
| 05:56.18 | Pimpinella | good mornin |
| 05:56.34 | scanline | TimRiker: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag |
| 05:56.45 | scanline | :) |
| 05:57.20 | creeperz | uugh, why does tomorrow have to be the first day of the second semester? |
| 05:58.12 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: well if all but one have red dots, then the green guy could go free. |
| 05:58.38 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 05:58.42 | MrApathyCream | , is that all you can say? |
| 05:58.43 | Patlabor221 | all of them |
| 05:58.49 | Patlabor221 | they will guess each day |
| 05:58.54 | Patlabor221 | one day the will be right |
| 05:58.56 | creeperz | i say he should just take a run for it |
| 05:59.05 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: they don't guess |
| 05:59.11 | MrApathyCream | they have to be sure |
| 05:59.13 | Patlabor221 | so in 2 days they are all out |
| 05:59.15 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 05:59.23 | Patlabor221 | what if they are wrong? |
| 05:59.30 | MrApathyCream | they are executed |
| 05:59.42 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: hmm. if one leaves and he had the only green dot than everyone else leaves the next day. |
| 05:59.44 | creeperz | then the black knight from monty python and the hoyl grail kills them |
| 05:59.48 | MrApathyCream | but being extremely intelligent they dont do that |
| 05:59.53 | MrApathyCream | tim no |
| 06:00.03 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: why not? |
| 06:00.17 | creeperz | cool |
| 06:00.19 | Patlabor221 | and define "no comunication" ? |
| 06:00.25 | creeperz | i have my own list |
| 06:00.26 | MrApathyCream | oh, your saying because they all have red? yes in that case |
| 06:00.32 | TimRiker | the others knew he was green and that they could not be or he would not have "known". so they must not be. |
| 06:00.39 | MrApathyCream | TimRiker: ok, yes |
| 06:00.47 | MrApathyCream | can you do anymore? |
| 06:01.15 | MrApathyCream | in the case that there is more than 1 green |
| 06:01.15 | TimRiker | I can't think if a way out if they there are say, two green and two red. |
| 06:01.27 | Tupone | 1 days more for each green |
| 06:01.28 | creeperz | why dont they just scratch off some of the paint and look at it? |
| 06:01.37 | Patlabor221 | they are honest |
| 06:01.40 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 06:01.54 | TimRiker | gree would see one green and two red. no conclusion there. |
| 06:02.00 | creeperz | are there any shiny objects? |
| 06:02.07 | MrApathyCream | creeperz: no, you can't see yourself |
| 06:02.09 | TimRiker | red would see one red and two green. no conclusion there either. |
| 06:02.15 | creeperz | ahhh |
| 06:02.21 | creeperz | its like a 1st person shooter |
| 06:02.24 | MrApathyCream | yah |
| 06:02.44 | Tupone | first day no conclusion, but whatabout 2ns day |
| 06:02.53 | MrApathyCream | TimRiker: these prisoners are verry intelligent :)( |
| 06:03.08 | TimRiker | ah... so second day. hmm. |
| 06:03.50 | TimRiker | if I only see one green, then I can assume I am green or others would have left. |
| 06:03.52 | SportChick | ~botsnack |
| 06:03.52 | | SportChick: :) |
| 06:04.00 | creeperz | ok, they all make their guesses, whoever isnt executed is freed |
| 06:04.04 | TimRiker | the green would have.... |
| 06:04.17 | TimRiker | so I must be gree too. all greens leave on second day. |
| 06:04.34 | MrApathyCream | your saying if there are 10 greens they all leave on day 2? |
| 06:04.39 | TimRiker | so if you are not green you must be red. you can leave too. |
| 06:04.46 | MrApathyCream | mmm no |
| 06:05.02 | TimRiker | no. I'm saying for my 2g 2r example. |
| 06:05.03 | Patlabor221 | how do the greens know they are green? |
| 06:05.14 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: thats the puzzle |
| 06:05.15 | Patlabor221 | and if they don't know the counts |
| 06:05.17 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 06:05.22 | Patlabor221 | I am restating it |
| 06:05.27 | MrApathyCream | all they know that there is at least on green |
| 06:05.33 | MrApathyCream | one |
| 06:05.42 | TimRiker | so nobody leaves till the green day count. then everbody else leaves the next day. |
| 06:05.50 | MrApathyCream | good for TimRiker |
| 06:05.52 | MrApathyCream | correct |
| 06:06.25 | Patlabor221 | splain the "count" part |
| 06:06.34 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: on day 2 |
| 06:06.41 | MrApathyCream | you look out, and see 1 green dot |
| 06:06.46 | MrApathyCream | what does that mean? |
| 06:06.59 | Patlabor221 | difrent dots each day? |
| 06:07.03 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 06:07.03 | TimRiker | nope. |
| 06:07.09 | creeperz | im goin to bed |
| 06:07.12 | Patlabor221 | ok then how is day 2 difrent from day 1? |
| 06:07.14 | creeperz | so i can sleep in school |
| 06:07.17 | creeperz | see yu |
| 06:07.27 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: on day 1, you see a green dot, can you leave? |
| 06:07.34 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 06:07.36 | TimRiker | seeing 1 green on second day means that the green guy also saw 1 green or he would have known. so you must be green. |
| 06:07.37 | MrApathyCream | correct |
| 06:07.45 | MrApathyCream | on day 2, you see the same dot, ??? |
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| 06:07.49 | Patlabor221 | what if there are more then one green? |
| 06:07.57 | Patlabor221 | when you don't know the counts |
| 06:08.02 | TimRiker | there is. you are green as well. |
| 06:08.20 | JBdiGriz | the smart guys would know that the other guy saw a green as well, which is why they didn't leave |
| 06:08.21 | Tupone | if there are 2 green you know that this 2 green will leave on 2nd day |
| 06:08.30 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: if there was one green, then he would see all red, and be gone on day 2. |
| 06:08.32 | Tupone | unless you re green |
| 06:09.07 | TimRiker | Patlabor221 must be a red dot. |
| 06:09.10 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 06:09.23 | MrApathyCream | induction proof |
| 06:09.31 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 06:09.46 | creeperz | dot |
| 06:10.08 | TimRiker | oh. dot. |
| 06:10.14 | jacques | that sounds a lot like that MS interview question |
| 06:10.27 | TimRiker | 1,2,5,10 crossing? |
| 06:10.33 | MrApathyCream | yeh |
| 06:10.43 | MrApathyCream | someone said Tim had a green dot by his name... that's what reminded me |
| 06:10.55 | creeperz | sorry :-D |
| 06:11.09 | MrApathyCream | ouch |
| 06:11.29 | CIA-5 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/CursesUI.cxx: when !HAVE_NCURSES got unused parameter warning |
| 06:12.10 | DTRemenak | if I get ".infig.status: error: cannot find input file: bzflag.spec" when running ./config, what am I doing wrong? |
| 06:12.24 | MrApathyCream | using unix |
| 06:12.28 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:12.55 | creeperz | haha |
| 06:12.55 | DTRemenak | I want to be sure this compiles on more than one platform before I commit it :) |
| 06:14.01 | jacques | just curious - what was decided on the release? |
| 06:14.03 | TimRiker | not ./configure ? |
| 06:14.17 | DTRemenak | er, that's what I ment |
| 06:14.18 | DTRemenak | meant |
| 06:14.26 | DTRemenak | see, I'm missing keys all over the place :) |
| 06:15.46 | MrApathyCream | maybe 1586 means pentium pro |
| 06:16.01 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/ (26 files in 4 dirs): cache BZDB(blend) to eliminate >1100 var hits |
| 06:17.38 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: _flagPoleWidth looks right |
| 06:18.03 | Patlabor221 | yay |
| 06:18.46 | MrApathyCream | You are given 12 perfectly uniform diamonds, |
| 06:18.46 | MrApathyCream | (cut, color, clarity,everything--identical) |
| 06:18.46 | MrApathyCream | Except one is a zirconium, but you can't visually tell. |
| 06:18.46 | MrApathyCream | You are told this fake is slightly different weight than the others. |
| 06:18.46 | MrApathyCream | You are given a balance scale, and allowed three weighings. |
| 06:18.47 | MrApathyCream | 1 v. 1, 2 v. 2, 4 v. 4, (whatever) but only 3 weighings |
| 06:18.51 | MrApathyCream | Can you tell which is the fake, and weither light or heavy? |
| 06:19.13 | Patlabor221 | binary search |
| 06:19.37 | MrApathyCream | as long as it's only 3 deep :) |
| 06:20.23 | SportChick | easy... 1v2, 1v3, 1v4 |
| 06:20.38 | SportChick | (1 is your "standard") |
| 06:20.40 | Patlabor221 | 6 v 6 then of the one that is difrent 3 v 3 then one the one that is diff pick 2 and do it, if they are the same then the one you didn't do is it |
| 06:20.40 | triclops_pb | i think you can do it in 2 |
| 06:20.50 | MrApathyCream | SportChick: how do you know which is a standard? |
| 06:20.58 | MrApathyCream | triclops_pb: no |
| 06:21.18 | MrApathyCream | pat no |
| 06:21.34 | TimRiker | SportChick: that takes 12 weighings |
| 06:21.36 | Patlabor221 | yeah I would not get the heavyer or lighther cept for luck |
| 06:21.38 | SportChick | it doesn't matter....as long as the weighings are consistent. That way all of them get weighed against one. If 1 is lighter than 2 and 3 and 4, it is the zirconium. If not, then 1 is a standard to use. |
| 06:21.50 | SportChick | (or heavier) |
| 06:21.51 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: don't know which is lighter (or maybe you do?) |
| 06:21.52 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 06:22.05 | Patlabor221 | but you know only 1 is difrent |
| 06:22.11 | MrApathyCream | the zirc may be lighter or heavier |
| 06:22.16 | Patlabor221 | ohh crud |
| 06:22.17 | triclops_pb | you have to weigh 4 and 4 |
| 06:22.18 | Patlabor221 | your right |
| 06:22.21 | SportChick | yes, that's why I added havier |
| 06:22.24 | MrApathyCream | triclops_pb: why? |
| 06:22.29 | SportChick | havier=heavier |
| 06:22.59 | TimRiker | well zirconia is heavier than diamond. |
| 06:23.04 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:23.14 | MrApathyCream | ok, a stone made of flibberflabber, then |
| 06:23.17 | SportChick | oops..I read your initial comment wrong...didn't realize there were 12 gems |
| 06:23.18 | TimRiker | heh |
| 06:23.24 | triclops_pb | Mac: well if they balance you know its in the other 4 which is easy to do. |
| 06:23.33 | triclops_pb | The trick is if its in the first 8 |
| 06:23.46 | MrApathyCream | well.... lets say it's one of the last 4 |
| 06:23.53 | MrApathyCream | how do you find it, with 2 weighs left? |
| 06:24.16 | TimRiker | 3v3, then one of those sets against the other narrows it down to 3. then 1v1 out of the three gets you the other. |
| 06:24.39 | triclops_pb | hmm, its been a while... |
| 06:24.43 | MrApathyCream | tim what happens if 3v3 are equal? |
| 06:24.52 | MrApathyCream | you got 6, how do you find it in 2 |
| 06:25.02 | TimRiker | oh.. I only did 9 gems... |
| 06:26.06 | TimRiker | ok, 4v4 then one of those 4 v the remainder. you know which 4 it's in. then 1v1 from the odd 4, if even 1 vs any other get's you the result. |
| 06:26.30 | TimRiker | that's 3, perhaps 4 weighings. |
| 06:26.33 | MrApathyCream | TimRiker: i think thats more than 3 |
| 06:26.39 | SportChick | okay, weigh 4v4. If identicle, then split remainng group into 2v2 (and you also then know heavier/lighter |
| 06:26.41 | TimRiker | now to get down to always 3... |
| 06:26.53 | TimRiker | SportChick: good point! |
| 06:26.56 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 06:27.02 | MrApathyCream | so lets assume that youve got 4 left |
| 06:27.05 | MrApathyCream | and two weighings |
| 06:27.10 | SportChick | (I think you'd still need 4 weighings though) |
| 06:27.27 | SportChick | 4 left and 2 weighings |
| 06:27.31 | MrApathyCream | there is a way with 3 |
| 06:27.42 | SportChick | well, your scale was balanced, right? |
| 06:27.45 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 06:27.51 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: if you did both first weighings you also know if it's light or heavy. |
| 06:27.52 | MrApathyCream | no tricks |
| 06:28.01 | SportChick | so do you KNOW weights when you balance first ones? |
| 06:28.05 | SportChick | or just that they matched? |
| 06:28.17 | jacques | heading home |
| 06:28.19 | MrApathyCream | if they don't match then one side is heavy one side is light |
| 06:28.26 | SportChick | (and I never saw answer to your first riddle, btw) |
| 06:28.27 | MrApathyCream | but that doesn't in itself tell you |
| 06:28.40 | SportChick | okay, but you don't know the weight in miligrams or whatever |
| 06:28.45 | MrApathyCream | SportChick: no |
| 06:29.04 | SportChick | (why am I doing this? it's my anniversary... :( ) |
| 06:29.09 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:29.12 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzeditw32/BZEdit32/ (BZEdit32.rc world.cpp): drive/shoot/passable interface for objects. |
| 06:30.01 | SportChick | well, you could try then weighing 1v1 (and PRAY) they don't match |
| 06:30.14 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 06:30.24 | SportChick | then you could pick one of the two unmatching and weigh against one of the other 2, but that's not a sure thing |
| 06:30.42 | MrApathyCream | can do it for sure in 3 |
| 06:30.42 | SportChick | cuz if they did match, you'd still need 4 tries |
| 06:30.57 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzeditw32/ (BZEdit32/BZEdit32.rc _test/BZEdit.nsi): version bump to 1.6.2 |
| 06:31.09 | *** join/#bzflag Dave2 (~dave@teppic.demon.co.uk) |
| 06:31.12 | SportChick | oh |
| 06:31.27 | SportChick | wait |
| 06:31.49 | SportChick | you want them to stay in groups of 3 |
| 06:31.59 | SportChick | the LAST weighing should be from a remainder of 3 gems |
| 06:32.17 | SportChick | cuz then no matter which of the 3 you pick, you have your answer |
| 06:32.52 | SportChick | 4v4, |
| 06:32.58 | SportChick | (I'm thinking out loud) |
| 06:33.25 | Patlabor221 | hmm how do I add a new release type? |
| 06:33.31 | Patlabor221 | like BZedit ? |
| 06:33.34 | SportChick | then if one doesn't match, take that group out. If they all match, then go to other group of 3 |
| 06:33.39 | SportChick | 4, I mean |
| 06:34.04 | SportChick | when you're down to 4, go 1 to 1 |
| 06:34.08 | *** join/#bzflag Silly (Chikorita@AC99424A.ipt.aol.com) |
| 06:34.09 | SportChick | if they match, then go 1 to 1 |
| 06:34.11 | SportChick | on other group |
| 06:34.16 | SportChick | there...3 weighings |
| 06:34.43 | MrApathyCream | SportChick: what if 1st 4v4 is unequal |
| 06:34.47 | triclops_pb | ahh, i got it |
| 06:34.55 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 06:35.00 | triclops_pb | 4 groups of 3 |
| 06:35.09 | triclops_pb | lets call them 1,2,3 and 4 |
| 06:35.09 | Silly | bz match>? |
| 06:35.14 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 06:35.30 | SportChick | that's right..he's got it |
| 06:35.34 | triclops_pb | compare 1 and 2, if equal then in either 3 and 4 |
| 06:35.39 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 06:35.49 | triclops_pb | compare 1 and 3 in that case to determine which three it is in |
| 06:36.01 | MrApathyCream | ok, so lets assume its group 4 |
| 06:36.06 | MrApathyCream | you've got one left |
| 06:36.07 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: you weigh 4v4. if equal deal with 3 of the rest as 2v2. if equal then you have the answer, if not 1v1 from the 2 side gets the answer. |
| 06:36.18 | TimRiker | if the origninal was not the same then.... |
| 06:36.42 | MrApathyCream | TimRiker: ok 4v4 are equal |
| 06:36.47 | MrApathyCream | what do you do on second weight? |
| 06:36.54 | SportChick | 1 v1 |
| 06:36.57 | triclops_pb | Mac: you can figure out a group of 3 in 1 weighing, if you know if the culprit is heavy or light |
| 06:37.03 | Patlabor221 | Tim is it in the realm of my permisions to add a new release type to the SF page? |
| 06:37.06 | MrApathyCream | but you don't triclops_pb |
| 06:37.28 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: take 4 of the 4 remaining and add one of the known set. |
| 06:37.34 | Patlabor221 | I guess it's a package I need to add |
| 06:37.35 | TimRiker | er 3 of the 4... |
| 06:37.37 | SportChick | but you can still figure out a group of three in one waying |
| 06:37.43 | SportChick | oops..nm |
| 06:37.44 | triclops_pb | yep, i see your point... |
| 06:37.46 | MrApathyCream | so 3 of the unknowns, and 1 of the controls ok |
| 06:37.50 | MrApathyCream | and do? |
| 06:37.58 | TimRiker | compare 2v2 |
| 06:38.08 | MrApathyCream | ok, lets assume they are equal |
| 06:38.28 | TimRiker | if same, then the other remaining it it. |
| 06:38.32 | TimRiker | er is it. |
| 06:38.36 | MrApathyCream | correct |
| 06:38.42 | MrApathyCream | and if they are unequal? |
| 06:39.21 | TimRiker | take the 2 that do not have the control in them and weigh. |
| 06:39.39 | MrApathyCream | ok, and they are unequal? |
| 06:39.49 | TimRiker | if those 2 were light, and unequal, then the light one is it. |
| 06:40.00 | TimRiker | if they were heavy then the heavy one is it. |
| 06:40.09 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 06:40.10 | MrApathyCream | good |
| 06:40.15 | TimRiker | if they are the same then the other one is it. |
| 06:40.19 | MrApathyCream | now how about if the first 4v4 are unequal |
| 06:40.24 | Silly | o iz dis a science/math word problem? |
| 06:40.25 | TimRiker | ugh... |
| 06:41.13 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: something like.... take 2 and 2 from one of the 4 and add 1 and 1 from the other 4. |
| 06:41.31 | MrApathyCream | so 2 from one and 1 from the other, and vice versa? |
| 06:42.09 | TimRiker | no. 2 and 2 from the first set and 1 more split from the 2nd set. |
| 06:42.19 | SportChick | Good night all |
| 06:42.27 | Patlabor221 | night |
| 06:42.28 | Silly | nnite |
| 06:42.41 | MrApathyCream | so assume jewels left are A B C D (heavy) E F G H (lite) |
| 06:42.47 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-82-84-120-204.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 06:43.09 | TimRiker | say ABE and CDF |
| 06:43.20 | MrApathyCream | ok, lets say they are equal |
| 06:43.35 | TimRiker | GvA |
| 06:43.52 | MrApathyCream | equal |
| 06:44.09 | MrApathyCream | stone is? |
| 06:44.15 | TimRiker | hmmm. no. GvH |
| 06:44.28 | MrApathyCream | g is heavy |
| 06:44.38 | TimRiker | then h is it. |
| 06:44.42 | MrApathyCream | and it is.... |
| 06:45.04 | MrApathyCream | (H/L) ? |
| 06:45.12 | TimRiker | cause we are looking for the light one which we know from the first test, |
| 06:45.19 | MrApathyCream | yah |
| 06:45.36 | MrApathyCream | how bout if ABE == CDF |
| 06:45.38 | TimRiker | well, thr first and second tests... ;-) |
| 06:45.48 | Patlabor221 | cap, you around? can you add a package or 2 on SF for me? |
| 06:45.50 | TimRiker | that's what we just did |
| 06:45.55 | MrApathyCream | oh |
| 06:46.08 | MrApathyCream | ABE (heavy) CDF (light) |
| 06:46.41 | TimRiker | hmm |
| 06:47.15 | Silly | ~d |
| 06:47.29 | Silly | ~quol |
| 06:47.38 | Silly | hmm |
| 06:47.59 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: huh? |
| 06:48.13 | Patlabor221 | I want to make new packages in SF to put BZedit |
| 06:48.20 | Patlabor221 | but it does not seem like I have perms |
| 06:48.25 | Patlabor221 | and tim is in boggle mode |
| 06:48.28 | captain_proton | ah |
| 06:48.29 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: my head hurts... probably AvB but maybe CvD have to think on it. |
| 06:48.38 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 06:48.42 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:48.48 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: account name? |
| 06:48.54 | Patlabor221 | JeffM2501 |
| 06:49.09 | Patlabor221 | have bzedit bin and src to post as release |
| 06:49.32 | Patlabor221 | and don't want to stick it in the normal win32 dir |
| 06:50.44 | TimRiker | hmm. you are a release technician. what won't it let you do? |
| 06:50.55 | Patlabor221 | add a pakage |
| 06:51.03 | Patlabor221 | I can only eddit or add to existing packages |
| 06:51.49 | Patlabor221 | if you make the package(s) then that's all I need |
| 06:51.55 | TimRiker | BZEdit? or BZedit etc? |
| 06:52.03 | Patlabor221 | your call |
| 06:52.04 | TimRiker | or just bzedit? |
| 06:52.12 | Patlabor221 | dono |
| 06:52.16 | Patlabor221 | I call it bzedit |
| 06:52.26 | TimRiker | ok, bzedit it is... |
| 06:52.31 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 06:52.48 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-109-1-5-163.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 06:53.25 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: done. |
| 06:53.31 | Patlabor221 | I see, thanks |
| 06:53.50 | TimRiker | no, thank you. ;-) |
| 06:53.54 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:55.52 | Patlabor221 | there we go, now that should stop them all from complaining :) |
| 06:57.22 | fontenot | there's a new bzedit? |
| 06:57.25 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 06:57.26 | Patlabor221 | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3248 |
| 06:57.34 | Patlabor221 | I'll leave world weps for somone else |
| 06:58.14 | fontenot | cool, and someone said it works under wine? |
| 06:58.26 | Patlabor221 | that it is suposed to |
| 06:59.48 | Patlabor221 | ever think you would have 2 "products" ? :) |
| 07:00.54 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:03.27 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: are you finished what you want to do for 1.10.4? |
| 07:03.28 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): more caching of hiuse bzdb vars |
| 07:05.29 | Patlabor221 | I know I'm forgeting one more thing |
| 07:05.30 | Patlabor221 | but sure |
| 07:05.34 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:05.39 | MrApathyCream | TimRiker: Release plan? |
| 07:06.14 | Patlabor221 | I would like to finialise the alt images |
| 07:06.25 | Patlabor221 | but that can procede parallel |
| 07:06.44 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 07:06.51 | MrApathyCream | i like the new base btw |
| 07:07.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah it came out OK |
| 07:07.52 | Patlabor221 | will be better once it's animated |
| 07:08.05 | Patlabor221 | have you run in experimental mode recently? |
| 07:09.12 | TimRiker | nope. /me tries experimental... |
| 07:09.33 | Patlabor221 | well really should have the alternate textures for proper experimental mode |
| 07:10.00 | Patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/alternate.zip |
| 07:10.18 | Patlabor221 | that is the current set that I am evaluating |
| 07:15.35 | Patlabor221 | well thin bases look cool now, they get a color band around them |
| 07:15.54 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/ (src/common/BZDBCache.cxx include/BZDBCache.h): oops, vars are server vars, cache there |
| 07:15.57 | MrApathyCream | nice |
| 07:16.32 | Patlabor221 | need a new high res roof texture |
| 07:16.57 | Patlabor221 | I lub the new flag |
| 07:18.36 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: how does geoPole get set? |
| 07:18.44 | Patlabor221 | from bzdb |
| 07:18.58 | Patlabor221 | on a style change |
| 07:19.01 | MrApathyCream | experimental? |
| 07:19.13 | MrApathyCream | or just hard set in bzdb |
| 07:19.14 | Patlabor221 | yes only used for experimental mode |
| 07:19.18 | MrApathyCream | oh ok |
| 07:19.29 | Patlabor221 | I did the same thing pole height did |
| 07:19.46 | Patlabor221 | hmm tho that won't force a style update |
| 07:19.55 | Patlabor221 | it needs changing if you want to change it in game |
| 07:20.37 | Patlabor221 | ohh I did it right |
| 07:20.38 | MrApathyCream | hmm i get obilisks, am i missing a png? |
| 07:20.39 | Patlabor221 | nevermid |
| 07:20.47 | Patlabor221 | ?? |
| 07:20.51 | Patlabor221 | for what? |
| 07:20.54 | MrApathyCream | the pole |
| 07:21.00 | Patlabor221 | it has no texture |
| 07:21.04 | Patlabor221 | it's just a black box |
| 07:21.07 | MrApathyCream | oh ok |
| 07:21.08 | Patlabor221 | a thin black box |
| 07:21.12 | MrApathyCream | maybe set too big :) |
| 07:21.16 | MrApathyCream | i did, that is |
| 07:21.16 | Patlabor221 | probably |
| 07:21.26 | Patlabor221 | it's still a billboard |
| 07:21.29 | Patlabor221 | just not a glLine |
| 07:21.38 | Patlabor221 | but a GL quad |
| 07:21.40 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.46 | Patlabor221 | that is where geopole is set |
| 07:21.56 | Patlabor221 | so exp or better |
| 07:21.59 | MrApathyCream | that we go |
| 07:22.14 | TimRiker | base textures are cool. flag texture too. |
| 07:22.19 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 07:22.20 | TimRiker | flag poles are short? |
| 07:22.20 | MrApathyCream | very nice |
| 07:22.26 | MrApathyCream | tim update |
| 07:22.31 | TimRiker | update what? |
| 07:22.34 | MrApathyCream | cvs |
| 07:22.40 | TimRiker | that's a full rebuild. |
| 07:22.48 | Patlabor221 | a LOT changed |
| 07:22.48 | MrApathyCream | do an update :) |
| 07:22.49 | TimRiker | with an update first. |
| 07:22.54 | MrApathyCream | do it again |
| 07:22.56 | MrApathyCream | dod spec |
| 07:23.03 | fontenot | dammit Im stuckj on a pyramid |
| 07:23.22 | TimRiker | [timr@cn014a0868018l1 bzflag]$ cvs up -PdA |
| 07:23.22 | TimRiker | ? data/alternate |
| 07:23.22 | TimRiker | P include/BZDBCache.h |
| 07:23.22 | TimRiker | P src/common/BZDBCache.cxx |
| 07:23.28 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:23.30 | MrApathyCream | that fixes |
| 07:24.03 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.10 | MrApathyCream | or whatever |
| 07:24.40 | MrApathyCream | oooh, Patlabor221 can do that now!! |
| 07:25.26 | Patlabor221 | once the drawables and visible objets are in sure |
| 07:25.36 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: boxes/pyr texs change? |
| 07:25.41 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 07:25.48 | Patlabor221 | well boxes did |
| 07:25.58 | Patlabor221 | the standard pyr no |
| 07:26.02 | Patlabor221 | used boxes from pybzflag |
| 07:26.20 | MrApathyCream | ah very nice |
| 07:26.25 | MrApathyCream | tops and bottoms too? |
| 07:26.36 | Patlabor221 | in experimental it also changes the texture repeats |
| 07:26.42 | MrApathyCream | coo |
| 07:26.52 | Patlabor221 | the roofs are a bit dif, but verys similar |
| 07:26.56 | Patlabor221 | alt has a cooler one now |
| 07:27.14 | Patlabor221 | TP texture changed |
| 07:27.28 | MrApathyCream | dirty, yes? |
| 07:27.31 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 07:27.53 | Patlabor221 | only non modified texture is the outer wall |
| 07:27.59 | Patlabor221 | and the shots |
| 07:28.07 | MrApathyCream | very nice |
| 07:28.30 | Patlabor221 | larger worlds look nicer, http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/hix2.png |
| 07:28.34 | Patlabor221 | no textures on the porter |
| 07:28.43 | MrApathyCream | yeah, cappies was sweet |
| 07:28.56 | TimRiker | the banding on the buildings in a bit odd. |
| 07:29.07 | Patlabor221 | what texture you using? |
| 07:29.08 | TimRiker | the repeating texture on the floor is too. |
| 07:29.17 | Patlabor221 | and in what mode? |
| 07:29.24 | TimRiker | the advanced.zip in experemental. |
| 07:29.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah I am trying to smooth out the luminosity to minimse that banding |
| 07:29.58 | Patlabor221 | really need detail textures |
| 07:30.25 | Patlabor221 | so far this is the least banding wall texture of them all |
| 07:30.56 | Patlabor221 | hence why I say I still want to tweak the textures |
| 07:31.06 | scanline | Patlabor221: well, pybzflag's boxen were quite a bit different due to the mulitexture and decals |
| 07:31.13 | Patlabor221 | yes they were |
| 07:31.21 | Patlabor221 | it's still a better base texture |
| 07:31.23 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: fyi there is not a real console for debug use in bzflag for windows |
| 07:31.31 | MrApathyCream | er, s/not/now/ |
| 07:31.41 | Patlabor221 | I just need to mod it for this usage |
| 07:31.43 | scanline | the walls in pybzflag looked a little better with multitex, but I still wasn't happy with how much it could repeat on very tall boxen.. I was still looking for a better way to texture those |
| 07:31.45 | Patlabor221 | define "real"? |
| 07:31.54 | MrApathyCream | you can do couts now |
| 07:32.04 | Patlabor221 | where does it put it? |
| 07:32.08 | MrApathyCream | in a console |
| 07:32.21 | MrApathyCream | but only debug mode |
| 07:32.23 | Patlabor221 | in a windows console, or my VC output console? |
| 07:32.32 | MrApathyCream | windows console |
| 07:32.43 | Patlabor221 | why not VC console? |
| 07:33.11 | MrApathyCream | did it do that before? |
| 07:33.19 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 07:33.25 | Patlabor221 | but if your gonna do it, do it slick :) |
| 07:33.29 | Patlabor221 | TRACE() :) |
| 07:33.32 | MrApathyCream | don't know how i suppose |
| 07:33.33 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 07:36.03 | MrApathyCream | so are we ready to ship? |
| 07:36.05 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 07:37.01 | TimRiker | hmm. |
| 07:39.13 | MrApathyCream | ~learnersnak |
| 07:39.30 | TimRiker | /set _flagPoleSize 50 looks wild. ;-) |
| 07:39.48 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:40.01 | Patlabor221 | bumpercar mode |
| 07:40.02 | MrApathyCream | .3 looks good for bigger poles sizes |
| 07:40.17 | MrApathyCream | oh size, yes .3 is good for width |
| 07:40.39 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@AC9A2A64.ipt.aol.com) |
| 07:41.01 | MrApathyCream | 50 defeats stealth alil |
| 07:41.22 | triclops_pb | umm, in observer if you 'float' over a teleport you get the funky teleport effect happening |
| 07:41.40 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 07:41.53 | Patlabor221 | the port fog is based on camera pos |
| 07:42.07 | triclops_pb | maybe it should have a height restriction |
| 07:42.09 | MrApathyCream | if you go thru tele in observer to you transport? |
| 07:42.48 | triclops_pb | i don't think so |
| 07:43.04 | MrApathyCream | prolly not |
| 07:43.05 | Patlabor221 | no you don't |
| 07:43.13 | Patlabor221 | that is based in the tank code |
| 07:43.18 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 07:43.19 | Patlabor221 | but the fog is in another part of the code |
| 07:43.39 | MrApathyCream | makes sense |
| 07:44.23 | triclops_pb | its kinda wierd when your roaming up high and the screen goes all yellow |
| 07:47.18 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/data/ (boxwall.png std_ground.png): clean up some of the rep boogers |
| 07:47.43 | Patlabor221 | is there a bzdb item for team |
| 07:47.49 | Patlabor221 | or the fact that you are an observer? |
| 07:47.56 | MrApathyCream | i don't recal that there is |
| 07:48.05 | Patlabor221 | NM don't need it |
| 07:48.08 | Patlabor221 | can get myTank |
| 07:52.17 | *** join/#bzflag SC (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c10a-a-255.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 07:52.50 | MrApathyCream | hmmm kicked for burrowing to fast |
| 07:53.00 | Patlabor221 | that is the complaint of the day |
| 07:53.05 | Patlabor221 | somone added a new speed check |
| 07:54.35 | fontenot | how can some ppl drop BU but I can't? |
| 07:55.13 | fontenot | is BU supposed to be droppable? |
| 07:55.21 | TimRiker | fontenot: you don't have a space bar? ;-) |
| 07:55.38 | MrApathyCream | fontenot: yes |
| 07:55.57 | MrApathyCream | perhaps we should ignore 2 secs after flag grab as well as flag drop |
| 07:55.57 | fontenot | space bar? |
| 07:56.16 | fontenot | so BU is dropped differently? |
| 07:56.16 | TimRiker | fontenot: to drop. ;-) |
| 07:56.23 | MrApathyCream | fontenot: no |
| 07:56.25 | MrApathyCream | same as any |
| 07:56.26 | fontenot | my normal drop button does not drop BU |
| 07:56.32 | fontenot | unless the mapping changed in this last build |
| 07:56.39 | fontenot | because believe me I know how to drop a flag |
| 07:56.43 | TimRiker | heh |
| 07:57.17 | MrApathyCream | or perhaps client should immediately slow when burrowing |
| 07:57.23 | MrApathyCream | altho thats a client change |
| 07:57.51 | MrApathyCream | would encourage upgrades :) |
| 07:58.25 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/SceneRenderer.cxx: don't do porter fog when observer |
| 07:58.48 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: better default high res repeat |
| 08:01.24 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/BUGS: doc burrow speed kick prob |
| 08:02.18 | MrApathyCream | does client adjust its position/azimuth based on network packets it sends to itself? |
| 08:02.33 | MrApathyCream | i guess not |
| 08:03.22 | Patlabor221 | what was 1.10.2 called? |
| 08:03.37 | TimRiker | with lighting and shadows off and, low, no textures. why are some building sides white? |
| 08:03.58 | Patlabor221 | ummm probably cus there is a bug |
| 08:04.27 | Patlabor221 | probably missed an init |
| 08:05.21 | Patlabor221 | slap it in the bugs list and I'll look at it |
| 08:05.26 | TimRiker | ok. |
| 08:05.29 | Patlabor221 | probably didn't get the useColorTExture right |
| 08:06.03 | Patlabor221 | pyramids look oK? |
| 08:06.08 | Patlabor221 | and porters? |
| 08:06.10 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: must beat that david guy |
| 08:06.42 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/BUGS: more doc burrow speed kick prob |
| 08:06.51 | Patlabor221 | I find the shading system with lighing off to be VERY funny |
| 08:06.59 | Patlabor221 | hardcode the colors of each box side |
| 08:08.55 | TimRiker | hmm. can't get it to happen again. =( |
| 08:09.12 | Patlabor221 | hmm and did you start in low, or change to no tex from having tex? |
| 08:09.27 | Patlabor221 | now there used to be a bug that did that |
| 08:09.30 | Patlabor221 | but it was fixed |
| 08:09.31 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: looks like 1.10.2 didn't have a name. It didn't really get announced either. |
| 08:09.46 | Patlabor221 | whatcha gonna call this one? :) |
| 08:09.49 | MrApathyCream | TimRiker: no announce correct |
| 08:09.56 | MrApathyCream | Patch Smatch |
| 08:09.58 | MrApathyCream | i vote for |
| 08:10.02 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 08:10.16 | Patlabor221 | then 1.10.2 could be called "the invisible release" |
| 08:10.21 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 08:10.22 | Patlabor221 | or "unspoken" |
| 08:10.36 | MrApathyCream | area 51 |
| 08:10.42 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: only do burrow speed checks once you burrowed to the bottom |
| 08:10.43 | Patlabor221 | BZFlag 1.10.4 "the white album" |
| 08:11.16 | TimRiker | starting in low and turning textures on does not get base textures |
| 08:11.26 | Patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 08:11.37 | TimRiker | starting in exp and turning textures off gets white building edges. |
| 08:11.42 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 08:11.48 | Patlabor221 | then I know what is hapening |
| 08:11.53 | Patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 08:12.08 | Patlabor221 | world stuff is only set at load time |
| 08:12.15 | Patlabor221 | need to reload the world on a style change |
| 08:12.56 | Patlabor221 | MAC that console REALLLY messes up the event loop when you put in a breakpoint |
| 08:13.01 | Patlabor221 | I don't like it |
| 08:13.14 | MrApathyCream | really? |
| 08:13.18 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 08:13.18 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: so change it. ;-) |
| 08:13.25 | Patlabor221 | where is it MAC? |
| 08:13.33 | MrApathyCream | bzfio.cxx |
| 08:13.33 | Patlabor221 | I will hook up trace |
| 08:13.37 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 08:13.46 | MrApathyCream | common |
| 08:13.55 | Patlabor221 | that's the plan Tim, this is the "discussion and ranting" phase |
| 08:13.56 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 08:14.06 | MrApathyCream | i didn't have troubles |
| 08:14.11 | MrApathyCream | but trace is fine |
| 08:14.20 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 08:14.24 | Patlabor221 | but your using an inferior compiler |
| 08:14.28 | Patlabor221 | update or die :) |
| 08:14.30 | MrApathyCream | you phase pusher, you |
| 08:14.34 | TimRiker | heh |
| 08:14.36 | MrApathyCream | someday |
| 08:14.40 | TimRiker | need to sleep. |
| 08:15.55 | TimRiker | let's get some debug builds up? release this weekend or so? |
| 08:15.55 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 08:15.55 | MrApathyCream | post release candidates on sf, you mean? |
| 08:18.41 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: doc the burrow thang |
| 08:19.47 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: you can nuke the initDebug and termDebug stuff then |
| 08:19.52 | MrApathyCream | and pull from bzflag.cxx |
| 08:20.07 | MrApathyCream | just do Trace from formatmessage or whatever its called |
| 08:20.21 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 08:20.28 | Patlabor221 | I just replaced all that with a single line |
| 08:20.31 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 08:20.36 | MrApathyCream | can remove .h files too |
| 08:20.42 | MrApathyCream | in bzfio.cxx |
| 08:21.29 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: not in the SF files stuff cause you can't get rid of those. |
| 08:21.34 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 08:21.53 | MrApathyCream | just on the boards then |
| 08:21.56 | TimRiker | feel free to make a test/ directory and put them there if you like. |
| 08:22.11 | CIA-5 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/common/bzfio.cxx: |
| 08:22.12 | CIA-5 | use the power, the IDE compells you..... |
| 08:22.12 | CIA-5 | replace silly console thingy with VC trace functions, much cooler |
| 08:22.27 | Patlabor221 | we have dragon.org for builds |
| 08:22.33 | TimRiker | that's fine too. |
| 08:22.44 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 08:22.52 | Patlabor221 | http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds/1.10.4/ |
| 08:22.58 | MrApathyCream | plan for saturday i guess |
| 08:23.00 | Patlabor221 | tht's where I been puting the last ones |
| 08:23.49 | MrApathyCream | alright time for bed, nice stuff Patlabor221, l8r |
| 08:23.56 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's late |
| 08:24.01 | Patlabor221 | need to not stay up to 3 am |
| 08:24.10 | Patlabor221 | I will think about how to fix that color thing |
| 08:24.21 | Patlabor221 | without ripping the system a complete new one |
| 08:25.02 | Patlabor221 | maybe just make a new function that redoes all the node info on a state change |
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| 08:25.45 | MrApathyCream | eek |
| 08:25.51 | MrApathyCream | ALTTRACE probs :) |
| 08:25.53 | MrApathyCream | alas |
| 08:30.34 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/ (src/common/bzfio.cxx include/bzfio.h src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx): MAC hopes he hasn't started another vc version war |
| 08:33.27 | CIA-5 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/common/bzfio.cxx: put back needed inc |
| 08:33.41 | MrApathyCream | ok now bed |
| 08:36.39 | TimRiker | nite |
| 08:54.41 | fontenot | was tehre any netcode change between 10.2 and latest CVS? |
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| 09:11.00 | captain_proton | fontenot: no |
| 09:11.04 | bomber | moin |
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| 09:59.58 | fontenot | i am seeing strange lag behavior tonight |
| 10:01.34 | fontenot | ppl who I hit are not dying |
| 10:01.45 | fontenot | and they only show like 250 lag |
| 10:13.06 | Pimpinella | ~sfsnap |
| 10:13.09 | | sfsnap is, like, http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/bzflag/ |
| 10:23.26 | Pimpinella | in README.MacOSX is tomething mentioned about 'Project Builder project'. how can i use this? |
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| 10:38.13 | Pimpinella | is there a pre-build cvs-snapshot for MacOSX? |
| 10:50.53 | Chestal | ela: du hast den Film bestimmt nicht gesehen |
| 10:51.00 | Chestal | oops |
| 10:51.28 | Pimpinella | Chestal: kennst du dich evt. mit OSX aus? |
| 10:51.28 | Chestal | Pimpinella: |
| 10:51.38 | Pimpinella | ja? |
| 10:52.23 | Chestal | Pimpinella: ne, kenn aber einen der sich auskennen sollte |
| 10:52.28 | Chestal | inwiefern denn? |
| 10:53.31 | Pimpinella | irgendwie sollte man mit'Project Builder -irgendwas' und Xcode ein OSX-Paket bauen können |
| 10:53.55 | Pimpinella | soll angeblich einfach gehen, nur kann ich das nicht ausprobieren |
| 10:54.46 | Pimpinella | kein howto gefunden |
| 10:57.03 | Pimpinella | Chestal: Hallo von Zongo, ist für ihn :) |
| 10:57.37 | Chestal | uhm, jetzt für bz? |
| 10:59.08 | Pimpinella | ja, in README.MacOSX steht, das in src/platform/MacOSX ein Project Builder project zu finden wäre, ich hab blos keine Ahnung wie man das anwendet |
| 11:00.19 | Chestal | starten, klicken, laden? :-) |
| 11:00.24 | Chestal | mein Experte ist gerade net da |
| 11:01.08 | Pimpinella | :) ich sags ihm mal, könnte klappen... |
| 11:04.24 | fontenot | could it be that if a server does not have enough bw there are strange lag effects when too many connections? |
| 11:04.35 | fontenot | because once the player count went down things got much better |
| 11:05.42 | Chestal | well, when the server's upstream cannot handle the amount of data, it's obviously unplayable |
| 11:28.38 | CIA-5 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDui.cxx HUDui.h): replace createSlider with a simpler (albeit probably less efficient) implementation |
| 11:29.29 | CIA-5 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/WorldFileObstacle.cxx: pasable -> passable |
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| 11:55.22 | mobile | Pimpinella, the Xcode/ProjectBuilder project has not been updated in some time and is presently out of date. Doing things the unix way will work just fine, though. |
| 11:56.11 | duebel | http://www.funtest.de/diebspiel/?id=18712 |
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| 12:22.29 | Pimpinella | tnx mobile |
| 12:23.21 | Pimpinella | hmm, who was it, maybe learner? |
| 12:35.57 | Chestal | yes |
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| 12:51.33 | Pimpinella | bomber: why did everybody leave? |
| 12:55.14 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 13:26.29 | bomber | pimp: lunch |
| 13:26.39 | bomber | pimp: but iam back now |
| 13:28.57 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 13:40.23 | bomber | ~d |
| 13:49.42 | bomber | ~d |
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| 14:40.13 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
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| 14:41.26 | Grumbler | the list server should probably not include observers |
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| 15:22.08 | bomber | ~d |
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| 15:34.39 | your_dog | good morning all |
| 15:36.13 | SC | ~seen Chestal |
| 15:36.15 | | chestal is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 464 messages. Is idling for 3h 18s |
| 15:41.17 | SportChick | Is the listserver down? |
| 15:41.53 | SportChick | I've had it pull up no servers before, but never this! It has all servers in alphabetical order, but can't seem to identify which servers have players. |
| 15:44.46 | your_dog | wish i could help, but i'm an idiot :-D |
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| 15:48.22 | Nidhoggr | wierd, SC |
| 15:48.38 | SportChick | didyou see it too, Nid? |
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| 15:50.50 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 15:52.04 | your_dog | ok, g2g, cy'all l8r |
| 15:53.55 | Nidhoggr | I am at work, so I don't get listserver entries. |
| 15:53.59 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 15:55.41 | Nidhoggr | just tested on my work machine. got list just fine. |
| 16:15.33 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 16:17.53 | bomber | ~d |
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| 16:38.25 | Patlabor221 | I asume that "#if DEBUG" in WordFilter.cxx is meant to be #ifdef ? |
| 16:39.38 | Patlabor221 | or is it a real variable? |
| 16:43.22 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 16:49.23 | Patlabor221 | ok who totaly jacked ALL the debug stuff? |
| 16:50.50 | Chestal | works for me on Linux, at least it compiles |
| 16:52.32 | Patlabor221 | so you can do #if DEBUG |
| 16:52.32 | Patlabor221 | when debug is not defined? |
| 16:52.38 | Patlabor221 | and if it is defined you can have glBegin take a paramater? |
| 16:52.56 | Patlabor221 | sorry glEnd |
| 16:53.17 | Patlabor221 | tho I'm beting your configure sets debug to 0 or something |
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| 17:08.25 | *** topic/#bzflag by brlcad -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ || ban exceptions /mode #BZFlag +e nick!*user@*.dip.t-dialin.net || v1.10.4 this Saturday! |
| 17:09.11 | Patlabor221 | not if I can't fix this debug stuff :) |
| 17:10.12 | brlcad | debug stuff is easy to "fix" |
| 17:10.20 | Patlabor221 | yeah remove it |
| 17:10.25 | brlcad | :) |
| 17:10.44 | Patlabor221 | but then cap will get all pouty |
| 17:10.45 | brlcad | #define debug_stuff |
| 17:11.02 | Patlabor221 | I may go that route |
| 17:11.07 | Patlabor221 | put it around a #def debug |
| 17:11.20 | Patlabor221 | cus it seesm DEBUG is allways defined for you guys |
| 17:11.25 | Patlabor221 | but I'm trying a fix now |
| 17:11.37 | brlcad | DEBUG is only defined for --enable-debug |
| 17:11.48 | brlcad | otherwise it's not |
| 17:12.02 | Patlabor221 | then how the hell does #if DEBUG work for non debug? |
| 17:12.05 | brlcad | release builds will/should not have debug enabled |
| 17:12.14 | Patlabor221 | does it have it set to 0 ? |
| 17:12.17 | Patlabor221 | defined but 0 |
| 17:12.24 | brlcad | ah, i recant .. yes yes |
| 17:12.24 | Patlabor221 | very difrent from undefined |
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| 17:12.33 | Patlabor221 | it's not defined as 0 for windows |
| 17:12.36 | Patlabor221 | it's not even defined |
| 17:12.39 | brlcad | not consistnent with with autoconf stuff |
| 17:12.48 | Patlabor221 | I am fixing |
| 17:12.53 | brlcad | should be made consistent |
| 17:13.00 | Death_Barrel | league site down? |
| 17:13.01 | brlcad | so it's either defined or ndef |
| 17:13.05 | Patlabor221 | had to move stuff to our conig.h files |
| 17:13.24 | brlcad | i think the setting for debug comes from our config.h as well |
| 17:13.29 | brlcad | as does NDEBUG |
| 17:14.40 | brlcad | interesting.. my config.h actually has DEBUG undefined, not set to 0 |
| 17:15.54 | Patlabor221 | then how can #if debug work? |
| 17:15.57 | brlcad | yea, and I don't see it set anywhere else |
| 17:16.02 | Patlabor221 | I get undefined symbol |
| 17:16.15 | brlcad | #if DEBUG can't work |
| 17:16.24 | Patlabor221 | its ALLL over the code |
| 17:16.58 | brlcad | it could be passed in on the compilation line |
| 17:17.04 | brlcad | -DDEBUG |
| 17:17.16 | brlcad | but I don't recall seeing that.. |
| 17:17.28 | brlcad | example of where you see #if DEBUG? |
| 17:18.59 | Patlabor221 | just do a search |
| 17:19.11 | brlcad | i did for server.. came up empty |
| 17:19.12 | Patlabor221 | sound.cxx 156 |
| 17:19.28 | Patlabor221 | bzfgl.h: 39 |
| 17:19.37 | Patlabor221 | and other places |
| 17:19.48 | Patlabor221 | also glEnd does not take any paramaters |
| 17:20.12 | brlcad | it's a macro def |
| 17:20.19 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:20.25 | brlcad | doesn't matter then |
| 17:20.27 | Patlabor221 | and the macro has value |
| 17:20.32 | Patlabor221 | it does for my compiler |
| 17:20.44 | Patlabor221 | "not enough actual paramaters for macro glEnd" |
| 17:21.16 | brlcad | interesting preprocessor.. |
| 17:21.40 | Patlabor221 | it's what I got |
| 17:22.16 | brlcad | i don't know if feeding the preprocessor an empty param list is kosher |
| 17:22.21 | brlcad | hopefully |
| 17:22.43 | brlcad | otherwise we'll have to #ifdef win32 it |
| 17:23.02 | Patlabor221 | well it never has a param |
| 17:23.13 | Patlabor221 | you are replacing glEnd() |
| 17:23.25 | brlcad | right, but you can't just #define glEnd ... |
| 17:23.47 | brlcad | I'm saying I don't know if cpp will like #define glEnd() ... |
| 17:23.59 | Patlabor221 | mine does |
| 17:24.51 | brlcad | hence my comment of hopefully it works for cpp too |
| 17:25.53 | Nidhoggr | feeling any better, learner? |
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| 17:28.02 | Patlabor221 | so I can change it all to #ifdef DEBUG? |
| 17:28.11 | Patlabor221 | that would make it a lot easyer for me |
| 17:28.27 | brlcad | yeah, thanks, quite a bit better Nid -- first day I can walk/talk/etc |
| 17:28.44 | brlcad | yeah, pat.. that's the way it's supposed to be anyways |
| 17:28.59 | Nidhoggr | cool, learner. good to hear. :) |
| 17:29.32 | brlcad | must have been oversights or lack of communication |
| 17:31.39 | brlcad | how come the #if DEBUG is only now a problem? that should have caused a problem some time ago.. |
| 17:32.38 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 17:32.59 | JBdiGriz | is it #if DEBUG, #ifdef DEBUG, #if defined(DEBUG), or some other variation? |
| 17:33.15 | brlcad | either of the latter two |
| 17:34.12 | brlcad | unless we start using DEBUG to actually store a debug "level", which I don't recall us doing |
| 17:34.42 | brlcad | we have debug levels, but they are run-time |
| 17:34.55 | JBdiGriz | We were talking about storing a debug bit mask at one point. |
| 17:35.29 | Chestal | I have created a menu screen todefine the quickMessages |
| 17:35.59 | JBdiGriz | Chestal, Thanks, I was looking for the documentation on those the other day. |
| 17:36.00 | Chestal | currently it's a submenu of the keymap screen |
| 17:36.01 | brlcad | oh great ... |
| 17:36.12 | Chestal | might need some fine tuning |
| 17:36.24 | brlcad | so now i get to see repititious annoyances from everyone now, eh Chestal? :) |
| 17:36.37 | brlcad | j/k ;) |
| 17:36.40 | Patlabor221 | oh wow, dosn't look like I have to call trace, stderr goes out to the consoleIO in the IDe in debug :) |
| 17:36.51 | JBdiGriz | brlcad, I'll have to define a key just for you :) |
| 17:36.56 | brlcad | hehe |
| 17:37.07 | Chestal | and if we would get rid of the 'hide flag in main view' key, the keymapping menu would be balanced again :-) |
| 17:37.17 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.43 | JBdiGriz | brlcad, it's /poll mute <user>, go check with the developer :) |
| 17:37.56 | brlcad | heh, oops |
| 17:38.21 | brlcad | i did toy with merging those two commands |
| 17:38.21 | CIA-4 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/menus.cxx: add new menu to define quickMessages |
| 17:38.52 | brlcad | ah, the beast that is menus.cxx continues to grow... |
| 17:39.17 | JBdiGriz | Actually, adding mute to the vote command has a certain appeal. It's a little more than a kick but not quite a ban. |
| 17:39.21 | CIA-4 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: quickmessage menu |
| 17:39.23 | Chestal | menus.cxx is quite messy |
| 17:39.34 | brlcad | playing.cxx is worse.. |
| 17:42.05 | CIA-4 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: speling |
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| 17:42.14 | JBdiGriz | I have to get a better class of email friends. I just received this URL. http://www.deathclock.com/ |
| 17:44.12 | Patlabor221 | I did figure out how to fix the bug tim found last night with textures |
| 17:44.13 | brlcad | pat, how'd it work before? |
| 17:44.42 | Patlabor221 | dono, all that stuff wasn't in there before |
| 17:44.49 | Patlabor221 | cap was doing debug stuff yesterday |
| 17:45.05 | brlcad | i think mac added the wrapper around the gl defines |
| 17:45.23 | Patlabor221 | so probably weren't calling them before |
| 17:45.46 | Patlabor221 | I had to move MACs trace call into config.h |
| 17:45.53 | brlcad | but the #if should have caused problems without DEBUG defined |
| 17:45.53 | Patlabor221 | since it's depriciated for me |
| 17:45.58 | brlcad | was DEBUG being defined? |
| 17:46.03 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 17:46.33 | brlcad | was the compiler at least complaining non-fatally? |
| 17:46.53 | brlcad | otherwise, I don't see how it could have worked |
| 17:47.18 | brlcad | i.e. i don't see how win32 could have been building for the past two months |
| 17:49.15 | Chestal | we need auto-scrolling text input fields |
| 17:50.43 | JBdiGriz | Your admin has an interesting sense of propriety. It takes your height, weight, and date of birth, and returns a countdown clock. |
| 17:51.02 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 17:51.06 | brlcad | ah, hehe |
| 17:51.41 | brlcad | there are vast amounts of entire subnets that get blocked here - not too telling |
| 17:52.22 | brlcad | security would rather have us fill out a form for every url we visit beforehand.. |
| 17:56.23 | Chestal | someone tried the quickMessages? |
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| 17:58.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | sup |
| 18:03.59 | Chestal | hi sm |
| 18:04.08 | Chestal | Pat: you readded the texture option? |
| 18:06.35 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:06.43 | Patlabor221 | other things hinged on it, so I didn't want to break them |
| 18:07.02 | Patlabor221 | will wait till the backend is all redone before removing that |
| 18:09.25 | CIA-4 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: -notime option (delete fixedTime) + a piece of code was duplicated |
| 18:13.27 | Chestal | Patlabor: looked at invisibles yet?I need #4 |
| 18:13.59 | sn0w_m0nkey | ~d |
| 18:14.06 | Patlabor221 | yeah one sec let me find our list |
| 18:14.27 | Patlabor221 | we only have 1,2,5,6, and 8 |
| 18:14.33 | Patlabor221 | but we are short a man till tomroow |
| 18:15.32 | JBdiGriz | Amazing, I can actually help on invisibles this week. That should be a clue right there :) |
| 18:15.58 | Patlabor221 | the bikin one is some impreseive photoshop |
| 18:17.14 | Chestal | and a movie which obviously nooned besides me has seen :-) |
| 18:17.26 | Patlabor221 | was it a popular one? |
| 18:17.31 | Patlabor221 | would I have seen it over here? |
| 18:17.34 | Chestal | hmm, no, a bit "artsy" |
| 18:17.54 | Chestal | but that girl that you cannot see is pretty :-) |
| 18:18.35 | JBdiGriz | I suspect that Pat thinks they took out the wrong parts of the picture. :) |
| 18:19.07 | JBdiGriz | Chestal, did you get #4? |
| 18:19.09 | Patlabor221 | wow we got #4 |
| 18:19.14 | Patlabor221 | just right now |
| 18:19.20 | JBdiGriz | did the clue i gave help? |
| 18:20.13 | Patlabor221 | when abouts was #3 releasesed? |
| 18:21.17 | Chestal | JBdiGriz: no, all except #4 |
| 18:21.36 | Chestal | Patlabor: I saw #3 last year |
| 18:21.36 | JBdiGriz | older movie, very popular in the states |
| 18:21.47 | Patlabor221 | had a popular soundtrack |
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| 18:25.11 | Grumbler | ~invisibles |
| 18:25.15 | | i guess invisibles is at http://www.filmwise.com/invisibles/index.shtml |
| 18:25.56 | Chestal | ok, got #4, wouldhave been easy without your hints actually, although I never saw it |
| 18:26.20 | Chestal | hi Tim |
| 18:26.22 | Patlabor221 | we will wait for our missing guy to come in tomorow before we try #3 |
| 18:26.38 | Chestal | TimRiker: remember the key to hide flags in main view? |
| 18:26.50 | Grumbler | j or h |
| 18:26.57 | Patlabor221 | Tim I figured out how to fix the txture problem you found last night, I just need to get this debug stuff fixed up then I can work on it. |
| 18:27.30 | JBdiGriz | Chestal, the quickkeys menu looks good |
| 18:28.29 | Chestal | JBdiGriz: only problem is when you type really long messages. I setan upper limit of 40 characters, but thiscan still mess upthe display |
| 18:29.23 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (8 files in 6 dirs): |
| 18:29.23 | CIA-4 | #if DEBUG is very difrent from #ifdefDEBUG |
| 18:29.23 | CIA-4 | .net can just use stdout for debug loging, it will go to the IDE terminal ( yes we have one ). |
| 18:29.23 | CIA-4 | glEnd does not take any paramaters so it's debug macro should not require andy ( breaks VC7.1 ) |
| 18:29.23 | CIA-4 | Allways include windows before config when in windows files. |
| 18:29.33 | JBdiGriz | I didn't try very long messages, since that tends to detract from game play anyway. You might want to add a warning. |
| 18:30.03 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 18:30.11 | Chestal | JBdiGriz: would be nice to have aninput widget which would scroll |
| 18:30.53 | CIA-4 | 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: ignore roger key when observing |
| 18:31.05 | JBdiGriz | You should really rent #4 and watch it. It is a classic. |
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| 18:33.40 | Chestal | I have only seen 3, 7 and 8 |
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| 18:40.38 | Patlabor221 | by "depth grid" does the person who just posed that feature request mean the ground grid? |
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| 19:00.21 | CIA-4 | 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/SceneBuilder.cxx geometry/WallSceneNode.cxx): |
| 19:00.21 | CIA-4 | shuffle around texture tests so they work if the modes are changed mid game. |
| 19:00.21 | CIA-4 | Only use color texture if texture is on NOW not when loaded |
| 19:01.29 | Patlabor221 | didn't MAC fix the burrow speed kick by waiting till the tank was down to full depth? |
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| 19:03.31 | Grumbler | someone yesterday did a refix based on position, not time.....as i remember |
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| 19:16.49 | Tupone | Patlabor221: why you put #ifndef DEBUG on WorldFilter instead of #if DEBUG ? Should be #ifdef DEBUG ? a typo? |
| 19:17.16 | Patlabor221 | yes typo |
| 19:17.22 | Patlabor221 | good catch :) |
| 19:49.30 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 19:57.21 | Grumbler | out chumbawamba, in great big sea |
| 19:57.29 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 19:58.53 | Grumbler | ibot: mm is <reply> see bzfquery bzflag.galkire.net:5555 |
| 19:58.55 | | ...but mm is already something else... |
| 19:59.07 | Grumbler | ibot: g is <reply> see bzfquery bzflag.galkire.net:5555 |
| 19:59.09 | | ...but g is already something else... |
| 19:59.16 | Grumbler | ibot: gmm is <reply> see bzfquery bzflag.galkire.net:5555 |
| 19:59.19 | | Grumbler: okay |
| 19:59.23 | Grumbler | ~gmm |
| 20:00.12 | bryjen | ibot: mm? |
| 20:00.20 | | Shared Memory Library. URL: http://www.engelschall.com/sw/mm/ |
| 20:00.32 | bryjen | ibot: g? |
| 20:00.36 | | g is, like, used to indicate a GNU version or GTK version of a program. or the gravitational constant in physics (~9.81 m/s^2 for most places on Earth), or an abbreviation for the ebonic slang word Gangsta, as in "Wassup G?", or abbreviation for giga |
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| 20:03.08 | larsl | The gravitational constant is 6.672*10^-11 Nm^2/kg^2 everywhere. |
| 20:19.08 | Grumbler | larsl: prove it |
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| 20:30.44 | CIA-4 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfgl.h src/common/WordFilter.cxx): typo => #if[n]def DEBUG |
| 20:35.26 | CIA-4 | 03larsl * 10bzedit/aclocal.m4: Remove generated file from CVS |
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| 20:47.19 | Grumbler | out great bit sea, in clancy brothers |
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| 21:12.04 | CIA-4 | 03larsl * 10bzedit/ (7 files): Remove the 'deprecated and discouraged' acconfig.h, removed some #include <gnome.h> to avoid strange libintl.h compilation error |
| 21:17.37 | larsl | Grumbler: About your question if building the Linux version of bzedit was an exercise in futility: http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=1369 |
| 21:18.10 | Grumbler | larsl: cooll.......i have a chance then |
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| 21:18.35 | Grumbler | larsl: thnx for cleaning up some of the junk :) |
| 21:19.43 | Grumbler | larsl: i would ask, where did you find the tkglarea includes?....i had a hard time finding them.....and kept getting errors for not including glut.h |
| 21:19.48 | larsl | Someone should fix it to support the new map objects and building properties, it shouldn't be too hard. |
| 21:19.52 | larsl | Hm. |
| 21:20.19 | Grumbler | l am slowing trying to take on that task......it should be a simple thing,.....i hope |
| 21:20.30 | larsl | Mine are in /usr/include/gtkgl-2.0/ |
| 21:20.53 | Grumbler | ok, i will look, maybe my include path is bogus |
| 21:21.18 | Grumbler | thnx |
| 21:21.38 | larsl | My glut.h is in /usr/X11R6/include/GL. The configure script wouldn't find it until I added the configure option --with-gl-prefix=/usr/X11R6. |
| 21:23.08 | Grumbler | i definitely dont do this enough to find things like that quickly.....and understand why and what to do |
| 21:24.22 | larsl | Did someone change the fonts in bzflag? Some of the letters in the menu look as if they have been rendered in a too small bounding box, the edges have been cut off. |
| 21:24.38 | larsl | Or maybe it's always been like that, and I just haven't noticed it before. |
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| 21:27.47 | Death_Barrel | testing |
| 21:29.05 | Death_Barrel | still testing |
| 21:29.30 | Death_Barrel | better =D |
| 21:34.44 | Grumbler | ~gmm |
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| 21:42.18 | Death_Barrel | ~d |
| 21:54.29 | creeperz | i eat people |
| 21:54.42 | creeperz | taste like chicken |
| 21:54.49 | creeperz | or cat food |
| 21:55.47 | Grumbler | badger badger badger badger, mushroom mushroom |
| 21:55.59 | creeperz | haha |
| 21:56.05 | creeperz | ewww its a snake! |
| 21:56.22 | Grumbler | it wont leave my HEAD......badger badger badger |
| 21:58.02 | creeperz | listen to Play that funky music by Wild Cherry |
| 21:58.09 | creeperz | thats the song i had stuck in my head last night |
| 21:59.36 | Grumbler | no, i refuse, one stuck song is enough.....badger, badger, badger |
| 21:59.44 | creeperz | haha |
| 21:59.44 | Grumbler | ;) |
| 22:01.28 | creeperz | http://albinoblacksheep.com/flash/usar.php |
| 22:01.38 | creeperz | ewww |
| 22:01.40 | creeperz | bad nding |
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| 22:11.59 | CIA-4 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/RobotPlayer.cxx: don't bother too much with paused players |
| 22:18.42 | Grumbler | ~bzflist |
| 22:32.52 | SportChick | ~bzflist |
| 22:38.07 | Grumbler | someone is not to fond of AOL |
| 22:38.27 | yoyox | ~d |
| 22:38.46 | Pimpinella | tnx yoyox :) |
| 22:42.57 | yoyox | :-) |
| 22:44.17 | creeperz | lol |
| 22:44.18 | creeperz | http://www.ihateaol.co.uk/misc/galleries/show.php/640x640//funnypics/Owned.StarWars.jpg |
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| 23:05.29 | Noodleman_laptop | 1.10.4 is going to be released!!! |
| 23:05.45 | Noodleman_laptop | w00w00 |
| 23:06.19 | SportChick | we always knew it WOULD be released...just not when! ;) |
| 23:06.26 | Noodleman_laptop | hehe |
| 23:06.41 | larsl | When will it be released? |
| 23:07.24 | Noodleman_laptop | "v1.10.4 this Saturday!" |
| 23:07.27 | Pimpinella | its in topic |
| 23:07.43 | SportChick | ~seen learnquil |
| 23:07.53 | | learnquil is currently on #project24 #bzflag. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1d 9h 6m 17s |
| 23:07.58 | larsl | Yes, but the topic just means that we shouldn't put in any big new features, just fix bugs. |
| 23:08.00 | larsl | There are a few. |
| 23:08.49 | Pimpinella | most r fixed yet |
| 23:08.57 | Pimpinella | almost seems to me so |
| 23:09.27 | Pimpinella | well, gotta snooze |
| 23:09.34 | Pimpinella | g'nine al |
| 23:09.36 | Pimpinella | all |
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