| 00:00.06 | Rufus | bzedit seems to be only win 32. |
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| 00:00.16 | david_v | Rufus: there's a source package on the top |
| 00:00.24 | Rufus | indeed |
| 00:00.38 | Rufus | that conarins the source files for bzedit for win 32 |
| 00:00.47 | david_v | hmm |
| 00:00.54 | david_v | i haven't checked it myself, one sec |
| 00:01.03 | david_v | uh yes it says in the name. hm |
| 00:01.15 | Rufus | indeed |
| 00:01.20 | david_v | http://flightboards.4gigs.com/fortix/download.php |
| 00:01.26 | david_v | there's a link there to BZedit 2.1 at least |
| 00:01.40 | Rufus | so.. a game that has run on *nix for .. ever.. and the only editor for it .. runs on windows. |
| 00:02.11 | learner | there's a linux editor too |
| 00:02.31 | learner | in cvs |
| 00:02.45 | Rufus | ahhh |
| 00:02.47 | Rufus | beta? |
| 00:02.54 | learner | no |
| 00:03.06 | learner | just not very polished |
| 00:03.11 | Rufus | ahhh |
| 00:03.20 | david_v | Rufus: the link on our site works, i've tried it :) |
| 00:03.33 | david_v | but it's not as up-to-date |
| 00:03.51 | Rufus | well that kinda sucks |
| 00:04.13 | Rufus | next thing you know BzFlag is gonna end up like Falcons eye |
| 00:04.24 | david_v | nah |
| 00:04.27 | Rufus | Out of Date for Unix and .. up to date for windows |
| 00:04.53 | david_v | i don't believe that. however, bzedit seems to be less maintained than any other BZ package |
| 00:05.23 | Rufus | very true |
| 00:05.38 | learner | technically, even the windows one is slightly out of date, if I'm not mistaken (but it's minor) |
| 00:05.47 | Rufus | where can i get a tarball of bzedit |
| 00:06.09 | Rufus | i wish they would drop the price of maya |
| 00:06.13 | david_v | Rufus: http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz - the link is on my site |
| 00:06.13 | learner | they were never incorporated into the main cvs checkout, hence never maintained with the main sources, hence rather crufty |
| 00:06.17 | Rufus | ... to a little less the 3d max |
| 00:08.22 | Rufus | well we're about to see if it'll compile with gcc3 |
| 00:08.30 | Rufus | noope |
| 00:08.56 | Rufus | well it will |
| 00:09.04 | Rufus | provided my gtk was up to date |
| 00:09.18 | Rufus | or wait |
| 00:09.23 | Rufus | gtk-gl? |
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| 00:15.33 | Rufus | hey |
| 00:15.47 | Rufus | you guys wants mt to generate an rpm for it? |
| 00:15.53 | Rufus | or try to? |
| 00:16.10 | learner | for bzedit? |
| 00:16.19 | Rufus | got gtkgl |
| 00:16.25 | Rufus | and bzedit |
| 00:17.24 | Rufus | for both of the avove mentioned |
| 00:17.27 | Rufus | above |
| 00:17.30 | learner | be more interesting to update it so that it builds again :) |
| 00:17.44 | Rufus | MAN ever since i quit smoking my typo % has gone nuts |
| 00:17.58 | Rufus | i am having no problems so far |
| 00:18.13 | Rufus | well exceot i needed to get gtkgl |
| 00:21.05 | Rufus | erk |
| 00:21.13 | Rufus | issues |
| 00:21.18 | Rufus | if i could code... |
| 00:21.22 | Rufus | i'd update the thing |
| 00:21.25 | Rufus | but i can't |
| 00:24.48 | Rufus | odd |
| 00:24.55 | Rufus | i compiled gtkglarea |
| 00:24.58 | Rufus | and installed it |
| 00:25.04 | Rufus | and configure can't find it |
| 00:26.21 | learner | try ./configure CC="gcc -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/include" |
| 00:26.29 | Rufus | thanks |
| 00:27.48 | Rufus | unreconginzed option -I |
| 00:28.34 | learner | that's an "eye" |
| 00:28.41 | Rufus | i know |
| 00:28.50 | Rufus | and thats what i put |
| 00:29.21 | learner | odd |
| 00:29.33 | learner | oh, and that was supposed to be -L/usr/local/lib |
| 00:29.42 | Rufus | there got it |
| 00:29.52 | learner | where is gtkglarea installed? |
| 00:30.03 | Rufus | still nothing |
| 00:30.11 | Rufus | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.38 | Tupone | CC="gcc -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/include" ./configure |
| 00:30.50 | Tupone | CC="gcc -I/usr/local/include -L/usr/local/lib" ./configure |
| 00:31.05 | Tupone | :) |
| 00:31.31 | learner | or that ;) |
| 00:31.35 | Rufus | still nothing |
| 00:31.53 | Rufus | it will not find gtkglarea |
| 00:32.18 | Rufus | something to do with pkg-config |
| 00:32.26 | learner | what's the error? |
| 00:32.51 | Rufus | juset a sec |
| 00:33.30 | Rufus | i can't cut paste with this machine so hold on a sect |
| 00:34.49 | Rufus | Package gtkgl-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 00:35.56 | Rufus | Perhaps you should add the directory containing 'gtkgl-2.0.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH enviroment variable |
| 00:36.29 | learner | so did you do that? :) |
| 00:36.31 | Rufus | i can only guess thats in the configure file |
| 00:36.37 | Rufus | i am not sure how... |
| 00:36.44 | Rufus | first tim i got this error |
| 00:37.06 | learner | well, find gtkdl-2.0.pc first |
| 00:37.07 | Rufus | but hey it's a learning experiance. |
| 00:37.10 | CIA-4 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (AudioMenu.cxx AudioMenu.h): |
| 00:37.10 | CIA-4 | driver for sound. It will be used the next run. Only used with SDL. |
| 00:37.10 | CIA-4 | Empty chooses default. Linux values could be dsp (OSS), esd, alsa ... |
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| 00:37.41 | Rufus | gtkdl = gtkgl |
| 00:38.08 | Rufus | it's in /usr/local |
| 00:38.17 | Rufus | include/ and lib/ |
| 00:38.43 | Rufus | hmmmm but my version is wrong i think |
| 00:38.47 | Rufus | i compile 1.2.1 |
| 00:38.48 | learner | export PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/usr/local:/usr/local/lib:/usr/local/include:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH" |
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| 00:42.27 | Rufus | man |
| 00:42.37 | Rufus | it's very very hard to fid gtkglarea |
| 00:43.15 | Rufus | fid = find |
| 00:43.45 | Rufus | well lets compile it agaist glarea 1.2 |
| 00:43.55 | Rufus | apearently thats the current version o fthe prick for gtk 2 |
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| 00:45.30 | Rufus | here we go |
| 00:45.40 | Rufus | nope still died horrably |
| 00:48.15 | Rufus | according to some new groups |
| 00:48.22 | Rufus | gtkgl-2.0 |
| 00:48.25 | Rufus | doesn't exist |
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| 00:48.28 | Rufus | anymore |
| 00:49.49 | Rufus | i don't knwo what to say learnre |
| 00:49.58 | Rufus | i think the whol ething need to be rebuilt |
| 00:50.05 | Rufus | whole thing rather |
| 00:50.22 | Rufus | creepers |
| 00:50.22 | creeperz | hi |
| 00:50.23 | Rufus | my version is so old it would scare you |
| 00:50.34 | Rufus | << BitchX 75p1 |
| 00:50.41 | Rufus | hehehehe on redhat 5.2 |
| 00:50.54 | Rufus | i am on my terminal |
| 00:50.57 | creeperz | wow |
| 00:51.22 | learner | 'bout time for MrApathyCream to show up |
| 00:51.45 | Rufus | leaner was that you! |
| 00:51.54 | Rufus | you are so gonna die! |
| 00:52.36 | Rufus | hey learner |
| 00:53.02 | Rufus | man thats alot of source.. |
| 00:53.18 | Rufus | erg i guess no editing for me... |
| 00:53.44 | Rufus | i hate being told what i can and can't do with my machine |
| 00:57.38 | Tupone | Rufus: Have you downloaded gtkglarea-xxxx.tar.gz ? |
| 00:58.11 | Rufus | yes |
| 00:58.14 | Rufus | i compiled |
| 00:58.17 | Rufus | and installed it |
| 00:58.32 | Tupone | and bzedit did not founf it? |
| 00:58.38 | Rufus | nope |
| 00:58.56 | Tupone | have you looked at config.log? |
| 01:00.16 | Rufus | i ran ldconfig |
| 01:00.20 | Rufus | and then automake |
| 01:00.26 | Rufus | and autoconf |
| 01:00.33 | Rufus | they both truned out fine |
| 01:00.44 | Rufus | This is after i checked the config.log |
| 01:00.49 | Rufus | several times |
| 01:00.59 | Tupone | ./configure too I hope? |
| 01:01.04 | Rufus | yes |
| 01:01.11 | Rufus | and still nothing |
| 01:01.21 | Tupone | and what config.log says about gtkglarea? |
| 01:01.30 | Rufus | just a second |
| 01:01.37 | Rufus | see since i am in the middle of something |
| 01:01.54 | Rufus | my gf decides that THIS Is the perfect oppertunity to pester me |
| 01:01.57 | Rufus | so i'll brb |
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| 01:07.30 | Rufus | back |
| 01:08.30 | Rufus | hmmmmm |
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| 01:11.27 | Michel | heya all |
| 01:11.33 | Michel | quiet soem people I see |
| 01:11.36 | Michel | hey fubar |
| 01:11.44 | Rufus | ... |
| 01:11.47 | Rufus | anyway |
| 01:11.54 | learner | howdy Michel |
| 01:12.00 | Rufus | something has to be done about taht editor |
| 01:12.20 | learner | patches welcome |
| 01:12.52 | Rufus | yeah love to... |
| 01:13.07 | Rufus | problem is gtkglarea is dead |
| 01:13.15 | Rufus | meaning you'd probably have to code from scratch |
| 01:13.21 | Patlabor221 | port the windows one :) |
| 01:13.23 | Rufus | here have a look see |
| 01:13.54 | Rufus | OK! I'll get right on that |
| 01:14.10 | Rufus | right after i goudge the eyes out of my head and stable my hands to the floor |
| 01:14.10 | Patlabor221 | actualy they share some code |
| 01:14.16 | Rufus | seeing as it would be less painful |
| 01:14.18 | Rufus | ... |
| 01:14.21 | Patlabor221 | just full of peaches you are today |
| 01:14.36 | Patlabor221 | it'd just be an inteface |
| 01:14.40 | learner | hey, if it means you'll be coding, I'm all for it :) |
| 01:14.47 | JBdiGriz | That was interesting, I finally got the SDL version to compile. It flashed several times rather slowly, and then put up the bzflag start screen. I couldn't move the cursor to different items, although return and escape worked. |
| 01:14.52 | learner | gouge away |
| 01:14.54 | Patlabor221 | the world class and file IO are all plat indepenenent |
| 01:15.10 | Rufus | will do |
| 01:15.17 | Patlabor221 | the SDL implementation "needs work" |
| 01:15.21 | Patlabor221 | so does platform |
| 01:15.51 | JBdiGriz | That's what I'm trying to determine. What "work" is needed. I have a gamepad to play with. |
| 01:16.06 | Patlabor221 | for gamepad I think it's all there |
| 01:16.21 | Patlabor221 | the "shoehorn" into BZ plat is not as good as it should be |
| 01:16.21 | Rufus | well i guess i have to go learn C everbody |
| 01:16.28 | Rufus | i'll be back in about 2 years with a patch |
| 01:16.31 | Patlabor221 | that is the language of BZ |
| 01:16.37 | Patlabor221 | or you could work with pybzflag |
| 01:16.41 | Patlabor221 | what language do you know now? |
| 01:16.45 | Rufus | PERL |
| 01:16.59 | JBdiGriz | It doesn't look like it goes together easily. I'd like to get the gamepad working with the current video/sound, and then proceed. |
| 01:17.04 | Rufus | and even then it's limited to Web back ends and such |
| 01:17.17 | Rufus | Java could be used.. but i am a noice at best |
| 01:17.28 | Tupone | JBdiGriz, for that to work, just dont use the MacPlatform |
| 01:17.29 | Rufus | i am a systems adminstrator... i am not a hacker. |
| 01:17.36 | Tupone | I mean the one from me |
| 01:18.10 | Tupone | the joystick is embedded on BzfWindow.cxx for now |
| 01:18.27 | Patlabor221 | Tupone: there are a lot of problems with the SDL for video implementiaton |
| 01:18.35 | Patlabor221 | platform should be split up |
| 01:18.44 | Tupone | Yeah, I know that they will be :( |
| 01:18.46 | JBdiGriz | Tupone: thanks, I'm going to start really looking at the source rather than playing with the compile now. There were several issues with various Makefiles.am that really should be fixed. |
| 01:19.00 | JBdiGriz | I'll get around to doing that soon. |
| 01:19.27 | JBdiGriz | After that, I might try to get it all back into the xcode project again. :) |
| 01:19.52 | Tupone | I had worked with linux, looking at linux platform code, and at SD code, to have what is in, now |
| 01:20.42 | JBdiGriz | How were you selecting the various menu options at the start screen? Still using the arrow keys, or the joystick? |
| 01:21.07 | Tupone | I'm starting to do the same for windows, if I succeed |
| 01:21.10 | Tupone | arrow key |
| 01:21.16 | JBdiGriz | Tjat |
| 01:21.28 | JBdiGriz | That's an issue with the Mac platform then. |
| 01:21.51 | Tupone | explain |
| 01:22.24 | Tupone | please |
| 01:22.28 | JBdiGriz | I wasn't able to use arrow keys to move from item to item. There is some interpretation in the Mac platform sources for the arrow keys. |
| 01:22.53 | JBdiGriz | Clearly, I need to pay attention to what's being included. |
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| 01:23.21 | JBdiGriz | Does the keyboard still work in the same manner, even if SDL is configured? |
| 01:23.38 | Tupone | yeah, if you put back the MacPlatform files |
| 01:23.48 | Tupone | I hope ! |
| 01:23.55 | Tupone | don't have a Mac here |
| 01:24.15 | JBdiGriz | I was hoping to create a build which would work in the same manner as the current build but enables a gamepad if it's available. |
| 01:24.58 | Rufus | ARG! |
| 01:25.16 | JBdiGriz | Otherwise, I'll just dump the mess into learner's plate, and let him worry about getting a build which does everything. :) |
| 01:25.28 | Tupone | so, really no need to have the SDL enabled MacPlatformFactory.cxx |
| 01:25.48 | Tupone | Can you try to put back the cvs one and see if it work? |
| 01:26.02 | JBdiGriz | Not for video and sound yet. I will do that quickly and see what happens. |
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| 01:26.34 | Tupone | just all from CVS, and configured with --with-SDL |
| 01:26.59 | learner | Rufus: ? |
| 01:27.23 | JBdiGriz | Tupone: That doesn't quite work due to other issues, but I'll get close. |
| 01:27.34 | Rufus | i am having issues |
| 01:27.43 | learner | i see that |
| 01:27.49 | Rufus | same problem |
| 01:27.55 | Rufus | looking for a solution |
| 01:28.29 | learner | did the binary not work? |
| 01:28.40 | Rufus | ? |
| 01:28.45 | Rufus | theres a binary version? |
| 01:28.48 | Rufus | of the editor? |
| 01:28.52 | learner | somewhere |
| 01:29.03 | learner | it will probably make old maps |
| 01:29.08 | learner | but that's something |
| 01:29.13 | learner | try poking captain_proton |
| 01:29.14 | Rufus | that would well |
| 01:29.26 | Rufus | erg... |
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| 01:29.42 | learner | so is proxs going to match today? :) |
| 01:34.04 | JBdiGriz | It seemed to still do everything with the video, and the selection wasn't working. I have to actually do some analysis and debugging rather than just throwing things around. |
| 01:34.34 | JBdiGriz | First I have to feed the kids. I'm a single father for the weekend. |
| 01:36.18 | Tupone | that is far more important :) |
| 01:41.06 | Rufus | arg! |
| 01:42.26 | Rufus | well there has to be somebody who playz bzflag that can code a new editor for linux |
| 01:48.13 | Rufus | alright lets just say i wanted to work on this |
| 01:48.19 | Rufus | where would i start? |
| 01:48.38 | Rufus | i'd have to change glarea to glExt |
| 01:48.43 | fiberchunks | oooo, getting bit by a large iguana on one's neck is a relatively interesting experience |
| 01:48.45 | Rufus | which will probably be sticking around |
| 01:59.11 | fiberchunks | here, look at this: http://bzbb.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?t=1425 NOT for the faint of heart |
| 01:59.55 | learner | ouch! |
| 02:00.04 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 02:00.11 | learner | that's a lot of stitches! |
| 02:00.25 | fiberchunks | never mind the 5 per cut that are internal :) |
| 02:00.42 | learner | So... |
| 02:00.52 | learner | Having something that tastes like chicken for dinner? |
| 02:01.05 | fiberchunks | nah -- he's still my boy -- just a lapse in caution on my part |
| 02:01.08 | Rufus | i can't see the image |
| 02:01.15 | fiberchunks | you must download it |
| 02:01.21 | Rufus | ahhh |
| 02:01.38 | fiberchunks | I didn't want to display something as potentially nasty as this is |
| 02:01.55 | Rufus | hmmm |
| 02:01.58 | learner | it's not that bad a pic.. it's a bad injury :) |
| 02:02.08 | Rufus | no link either I must be blind or something |
| 02:02.27 | fiberchunks | did you click on the 'download' icon ? |
| 02:02.47 | creeperz | not the icon |
| 02:02.50 | creeperz | text below |
| 02:03.25 | fiberchunks | ah, attached images do not display for non-registered folk |
| 02:03.27 | Rufus | i must be blind.. |
| 02:03.33 | Rufus | AHHHHH |
| 02:03.36 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 02:03.46 | Rufus | well i might as well sign up |
| 02:03.52 | fiberchunks | indeed :) |
| 02:03.59 | Rufus | i need to post the topic "what about the linux editor!" |
| 02:04.01 | learner | ~fishslap Rufus |
| 02:04.11 | | ACTION slaps Rufus up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 02:04.11 | fiberchunks | so learner, you want an iguana now :) |
| 02:04.33 | learner | we eat those where I used to live :) |
| 02:04.51 | fiberchunks | they're a popular food source in central / south america |
| 02:05.22 | learner | yep ;) |
| 02:05.41 | learner | you see them running all over the place.. if you're quick enough to catch one... mMMmmm.. |
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| 02:14.32 | Michel | cyal all nice talking :) |
| 02:14.34 | Michel | bye |
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| 02:58.28 | learner | went in with a buddy .. there were only guys in there |
| 03:02.21 | fiberchunks | lol |
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| 03:35.25 | creeperz | how do i make .wav files for bzflag? |
| 03:35.29 | creeperz | w/ my mic? |
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| 03:53.37 | Rufus | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.43 | Rufus | hey |
| 03:53.47 | Rufus | is there a server Poll |
| 03:53.56 | Rufus | like who's got the best server and such? |
| 03:56.34 | Rufus | lol somebody has the name ob1explodi |
| 03:56.43 | Rufus | THATS funny! |
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| 05:03.26 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/bzflag.dsp: Add new files to VC project |
| 05:10.26 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (CustomBox.cxx CustomGate.cxx CustomPyramid.cxx): fabs() requires math.h |
| 05:11.37 | DTRemenak | learner: ping |
| 05:12.04 | learner | pong |
| 05:12.11 | DTRemenak | hello :) |
| 05:12.17 | learner | howdy ;) |
| 05:12.24 | DTRemenak | why is votingarbiter in game? |
| 05:12.24 | learner | i try |
| 05:12.52 | learner | why? |
| 05:12.57 | DTRemenak | according to the README, it's for client-end stuff, but votingarbiter is server-end |
| 05:13.18 | learner | ah, i meant application front-end |
| 05:13.26 | learner | client in a general sense.. my bad |
| 05:13.33 | DTRemenak | hm |
| 05:13.37 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 05:13.49 | DTRemenak | so both server and client stuff goes into game? |
| 05:13.54 | learner | that code is probably still close to borderline, but it is reuseable |
| 05:13.59 | learner | albeit still bz-specific |
| 05:14.16 | learner | yes.. since eventually, there will be the game state in game |
| 05:14.19 | learner | and bzfs will use it |
| 05:14.33 | DTRemenak | hm...but then we compile unnecessary things into bzflag? |
| 05:14.35 | learner | same for networking, etc |
| 05:14.58 | learner | you mean link? |
| 05:15.09 | DTRemenak | ah...this is supposed to be a dynamic lib? |
| 05:15.48 | learner | it's more on par with common |
| 05:16.01 | learner | server doesn't use everythign in client either |
| 05:16.06 | learner | s/client/common/ |
| 05:16.16 | learner | nor does client use everything in common |
| 05:16.24 | learner | but they both link against it |
| 05:16.26 | DTRemenak | so, then why is it there? :) |
| 05:16.40 | learner | it's more just a logical ordering of the code on reuseability and connectivity |
| 05:16.53 | DTRemenak | hm |
| 05:17.28 | learner | the code in game is supposed to be code that could generically be applied to other applications, yet is still app/bz specific making it unsuitable for common |
| 05:17.55 | learner | i suppose we could still leave something like the arbiter out |
| 05:18.12 | learner | i threw it in mainly because I knew it had no external dependancies |
| 05:18.18 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 05:18.22 | learner | it's reuseable as is |
| 05:18.36 | DTRemenak | my biggest question right now is: is it going to stay there? |
| 05:18.38 | learner | even if only bzfs presently uses it |
| 05:19.15 | DTRemenak | if it is, I'll tell VC to look for it there. actually, I should probably make a "game" project... |
| 05:19.33 | learner | probably, since it still falls under the reuseable-yet-app-specific code category |
| 05:19.45 | DTRemenak | but right now, only bzfs would depend on game, which would confuse me :) |
| 05:19.45 | learner | yes, it should be the same as common or platform or ogl, etc |
| 05:20.00 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 05:20.02 | learner | yes, only bzfs presently depends on game |
| 05:20.13 | learner | real soon, the client will too, but not yet |
| 05:21.08 | DTRemenak | heh, what really surprised me was that bzfs compiled even though it couldn't find a file :) |
| 05:21.14 | DTRemenak | voting was broke tho |
| 05:21.19 | learner | heh |
| 05:21.26 | learner | yea, that's odd |
| 05:22.38 | DTRemenak | where should game fall in the dependency chart? right now bzfs depends on common, net, date in that order |
| 05:23.06 | DTRemenak | or should it "not matter"? |
| 05:23.59 | learner | uh, game potentially depends on at least common |
| 05:24.12 | learner | but the order should not matter |
| 05:24.14 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 05:27.22 | Rufus | hmmm |
| 05:34.31 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/ (bzflag.dsw bzfs.dsp): add game as a separate VC project and make bzflag and bzfs depend on it because learner says that's how it should be |
| 05:34.54 | CIA-4 | 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/game/README: clarify a little |
| 05:35.12 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/game.dsp: add game as a separate VC project and make bzflag and bzfs depend on it because learner says that's how it should be |
| 05:36.16 | DTRemenak | ahh, that readme makes it much clearer :) thanks |
| 05:44.16 | learner | np.. |
| 05:44.23 | Rufus | hmmm |
| 05:44.27 | learner | oh, and bzadmin will also eventually depend on it |
| 05:44.38 | Rufus | sorry i am lost |
| 05:44.41 | Rufus | here |
| 05:44.42 | DTRemenak | heh, I'll let someone else deal with that |
| 05:44.50 | Rufus | as long as it's not windows specific |
| 05:45.12 | DTRemenak | I can't compile bzadmin anyway :) |
| 05:45.37 | Rufus | i am off to reinstall rh 7.3 on my laptop |
| 05:45.45 | Rufus | and then update so i can run BzFlag |
| 05:46.00 | Rufus | hehehehe runs great with no mapping |
| 05:46.06 | Rufus | and 640x480 res |
| 05:46.07 | Rufus | lol |
| 05:46.36 | Rufus | I swear bz flag runs on almost anything |
| 05:47.10 | Rufus | now if you guys could add differant vehicles and maybe little guys and stuff |
| 05:47.15 | Rufus | now that would be cool |
| 05:47.29 | Rufus | little guy running around with a flag in his hand |
| 05:47.42 | fontenot | like bz on pc |
| 05:47.51 | fontenot | you could get out of tank and snipe |
| 05:47.59 | Rufus | hhehe |
| 05:48.04 | fontenot | nad I loved running over the little guys with my tank |
| 05:48.24 | Rufus | nah leave it the way it is |
| 05:48.27 | Rufus | if ya wadd to much |
| 05:48.33 | Rufus | it'll just suck |
| 05:48.39 | Rufus | the way it is rocks |
| 05:48.51 | fontenot | hey you started it |
| 05:48.58 | Rufus | yeah |
| 05:49.01 | Rufus | but then i thought about it |
| 05:49.04 | Rufus | if they add to much |
| 05:49.05 | fontenot | heh |
| 05:49.07 | Rufus | it'll start sucking |
| 05:49.20 | Rufus | just get the damn editor working in linux again! |
| 05:49.26 | Rufus | that would be nice. |
| 05:50.38 | Rufus | DTRemenak .. if i could code i would |
| 05:51.03 | Rufus | but i can't btw the time i'd learn you'd probably have removed *nix compatibily all together |
| 05:51.15 | DTRemenak | quite honestly, it is not that hard to learn if you have a few hours of spare time every day over a few months |
| 05:51.21 | Rufus | and stuck them in the "patches Welcome" directory |
| 05:51.39 | DTRemenak | and removing anything is really hard to do :) |
| 05:51.52 | DTRemenak | break it, maybe... |
| 05:54.35 | Rufus | you know for a really really rish university |
| 05:54.39 | Rufus | rish = rich |
| 05:54.46 | Rufus | prinstons network is slow as hell |
| 05:54.53 | DTRemenak | seriously, if you want to get bzedit/linux working again, check out a copy in CVS and hack on it until you get it to work. The best way of learning is to try it...google for errors you get, and you won't make them again |
| 05:55.21 | Rufus | ... |
| 05:55.32 | DTRemenak | that is, if you have the time |
| 05:55.43 | Rufus | i have no idea where to start |
| 05:55.48 | Rufus | apart from hello world |
| 05:55.52 | DTRemenak | well, what's wrong with it? |
| 05:55.55 | learner | there are plenty of programmers who don't know how to code :) |
| 05:55.58 | Rufus | i have never programmed a damn thing |
| 05:56.06 | Rufus | needs a completely new UI |
| 05:56.06 | DTRemenak | good place to start :) |
| 05:56.18 | Rufus | based on something othe rthen glarea |
| 05:56.26 | Rufus | because glarea is now defunct |
| 05:56.35 | learner | make it use bz's windowing facilities |
| 05:56.36 | Rufus | replaced with GlExt |
| 05:56.40 | DTRemenak | ok...so what could you replace it with |
| 05:56.42 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 05:56.45 | learner | then just pure ogl |
| 05:56.57 | Rufus | that would have been the best solution to start with |
| 05:57.01 | learner | then it'd work on anything |
| 05:57.02 | Rufus | NEVER use NON native libs |
| 05:57.11 | Rufus | because when they go out of favour |
| 05:57.18 | Rufus | you'll have to rewrite it |
| 05:57.29 | Rufus | might as well code it from cratch in the first place |
| 05:57.40 | Rufus | otheriwse you have what we have here... |
| 05:57.48 | DTRemenak | so...look for a project that used to use glarea and has switched to something else, and look at the changes they had to make |
| 05:57.48 | Rufus | a situation where the Core works |
| 05:57.52 | learner | perhaps, though I'm sure there are pieces in both the windows and linux version that can be reused |
| 05:57.54 | Rufus | and the susidiaries don't |
| 05:57.56 | Rufus | this is not good |
| 05:58.12 | DTRemenak | then start making the same changes until it compiles & runs w/o glarea at all |
| 05:58.22 | Rufus | sure |
| 05:58.29 | Rufus | ... |
| 05:58.29 | learner | maybe trim down the bzflag client to just a basic rendering menu without any of the game logic |
| 05:58.35 | learner | and then add in the bzedit stuff |
| 05:58.45 | captain_proton | ...bzedit? |
| 05:58.51 | learner | there he is ;) |
| 05:59.02 | Rufus | as i said... by the time i had it running you'll have the rest of the unix support for the program rammed into "patches welcome" |
| 05:59.06 | captain_proton | uh oh |
| 05:59.14 | learner | took quite a while to summon thee captain_proton |
| 05:59.18 | learner | ;) |
| 05:59.37 | DTRemenak | for "the program"? bzedit? |
| 05:59.45 | learner | Rufus, there's the guy I told you to go poke ;) |
| 05:59.50 | Rufus | Bzflag as a whole |
| 05:59.56 | Rufus | replace program with project |
| 06:00.04 | DTRemenak | that will never happen, I can just about guarantee it |
| 06:00.18 | DTRemenak | linux is an expanding userbase, for one |
| 06:00.30 | DTRemenak | bzflag was originally written for irix, for two |
| 06:00.44 | learner | the unix support is certainly not going away.. |
| 06:00.56 | DTRemenak | our maintainer runs only *nix machines, for three |
| 06:01.08 | learner | a majority of the developers are *nix |
| 06:01.21 | DTRemenak | there are only 3 active windows devs, for four |
| 06:01.34 | DTRemenak | and we struggle to keep the windows version compiling |
| 06:01.43 | Rufus | well then how the hell did bzedit make it to "windows only" |
| 06:01.52 | learner | speaking of such.. wonder where the ice cream man is? |
| 06:01.57 | DTRemenak | because noone wanted to work on bzedit/linux :) |
| 06:02.08 | DTRemenak | and patlabor was willing to work on bzedit/win |
| 06:02.20 | Rufus | i'd love to by my knowledge is less then beginner |
| 06:02.22 | learner | there are two completely separate versions of bzedit |
| 06:02.27 | Rufus | if it w3as written in Perl/Tk |
| 06:02.32 | Rufus | MAYBE i coudl BEGIN to learn it |
| 06:02.38 | DTRemenak | rufus: we all start knowing nothing! |
| 06:02.47 | scanline | eek, Perl/Tk... I remember that |
| 06:02.53 | Rufus | hehehe i still use it |
| 06:02.58 | scanline | scary how I used to use that a bit... |
| 06:03.01 | Rufus | it gets the job done for cetrain things ... |
| 06:03.05 | scanline | perl and tk are both rather silly |
| 06:03.06 | learner | so write it in perl/tk *cough* -- just accept that like the existing bzedit's that there's not much chance it will get maintained by others |
| 06:03.08 | DTRemenak | I am self-taught (which explains why I do stupid things sometimes) |
| 06:03.39 | DTRemenak | just start devoting time to it |
| 06:03.50 | DTRemenak | if you have the time to devote |
| 06:04.03 | learner | heck, if you can figure out perl, you should be able to take on a little c and c++.. |
| 06:04.14 | Rufus | a little... |
| 06:04.25 | Rufus | you're asking me to rewrite an entire application |
| 06:04.29 | DTRemenak | maybe start by finding a copy of glarea |
| 06:04.40 | DTRemenak | and see if you can get the current bzedit/lin compiling |
| 06:04.53 | DTRemenak | then start moving little bits and peices over |
| 06:05.00 | learner | http://www.ece.ucdavis.edu/~kenelson/gtk-glarea/ |
| 06:05.17 | learner | I would not go with that for a new app, though |
| 06:05.28 | Rufus | no |
| 06:05.29 | learner | sdl or bz libs would be a more maintainable approach |
| 06:05.39 | Rufus | exactly |
| 06:05.45 | Rufus | see i don't even know where to start |
| 06:05.46 | DTRemenak | actually, the bz ogl project would be the best choice |
| 06:05.54 | Rufus | but i do know when you right an app |
| 06:06.02 | Rufus | when you right compliant apps |
| 06:06.09 | Rufus | you should use the same libs |
| 06:06.17 | Rufus | that way when it does become unmaintained |
| 06:06.24 | Rufus | atleast you can still compile and use the prick |
| 06:06.31 | learner | there are plenty of people here that will help you figure it out, but you'll have to want to hunker down and learn as you go along |
| 06:06.48 | DTRemenak | make sure you can compile it with glarea first |
| 06:06.51 | Rufus | so in other words if i want it to work |
| 06:06.54 | Rufus | i'll be doing it myself |
| 06:07.03 | Rufus | you can |
| 06:07.10 | Rufus | i have tried three seperate platforms |
| 06:07.16 | Rufus | RH, slackware, and debian |
| 06:07.22 | Rufus | all wouldn't compile |
| 06:07.28 | DTRemenak | why not? |
| 06:07.32 | learner | changing distros is not the solution |
| 06:07.32 | Rufus | i have multiple machines so i can move the source around |
| 06:07.38 | learner | you have to figure out exactly why it's failing |
| 06:07.46 | Rufus | learner i have 5 machines |
| 06:07.48 | learner | and I don't mean the error -- i mean the problem |
| 06:07.58 | Rufus | glarea |
| 06:08.07 | learner | so what's wrong with glarea? |
| 06:08.09 | Rufus | KILL that library |
| 06:08.13 | Rufus | and build a new interface |
| 06:08.20 | Rufus | it's depreicated |
| 06:08.29 | learner | it may be, that doesn't mean it won't work |
| 06:08.33 | Rufus | i can't fid the version it's looking for |
| 06:08.38 | DTRemenak | yes...but if you can't compile to test, you can't move anything at all |
| 06:08.39 | Rufus | and the older one is not compatible |
| 06:08.55 | learner | not compatible with what? |
| 06:08.55 | DTRemenak | what version does it want? |
| 06:08.59 | Rufus | 2.0 |
| 06:09.29 | learner | it wants version 2.0?? |
| 06:10.26 | learner | there is no gtk-glarea 2.0.. they're at 1.2 |
| 06:10.35 | Rufus | exactly |
| 06:10.50 | learner | rather "he" .. it's one guy |
| 06:11.10 | Rufus | the project is no longer maintained |
| 06:11.26 | Rufus | it has been moved to GlExt |
| 06:11.38 | learner | that's fine, but irrelevant really |