| 00:00.35 | JBdiGriz | Found it :) |
| 00:01.57 | orchid | there seems to be a community for everything |
| 00:02.16 | orchid | Guys Who Use Women's Razors :-\ |
| 00:02.29 | JBdiGriz | Actually, the first one I went looking for wasn't to be found. |
| 00:02.43 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/scene.dsp: fix typo |
| 00:03.19 | Chestal | well, it's late, good night |
| 00:03.57 | orchid | cu Chestal |
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| 00:04.57 | BaDiN | hey |
| 00:05.00 | BaDiN | anyone to enter a score? |
| 00:06.30 | captain_proton | JBdiGriz: ABA? |
| 00:07.14 | learner | ~ABA |
| 00:07.21 | | hmm... aba is a swedenian band |
| 00:07.26 | JBdiGriz | http://www.arrogantbastard.com/ |
| 00:07.26 | learner | bah |
| 00:07.48 | learner | ibot, no aba is http://arrogantbastard.com/ |
| 00:07.51 | | okay, learner |
| 00:08.01 | JBdiGriz | You'll find the community under Stone Brewing. |
| 00:08.33 | captain_proton | learner looks a lot younger than i imagined |
| 00:08.50 | JBdiGriz | He looks exactly like what I expected. :) |
| 00:08.55 | captain_proton | heh |
| 00:08.58 | learner | hehe |
| 00:09.31 | learner | that is about 6-7 years old, and people generally tell me I look a lot younger than I am |
| 00:10.13 | JBdiGriz | I should look to see if their is a community for the old Unix folk |
| 00:10.18 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 00:10.31 | scanline | we should get MAC on orkut :) |
| 00:10.32 | captain_proton | i think a lot of people would unjustly consider themselves a crusty unix hacker |
| 00:12.08 | scanline | ooh, a screen community |
| 00:12.29 | orchid | with freaky screen tricks |
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| 00:12.52 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 00:12.56 | captain_proton | yay for freaky screen tricks |
| 00:13.11 | scanline | aww, I feel so un-leet.. I've only ever used one nested screen |
| 00:13.21 | captain_proton | :) |
| 00:13.24 | captain_proton | mmmmMMMMmmmmm |
| 00:13.32 | scanline | ooh, it's done espressing? |
| 00:13.34 | captain_proton | yup |
| 00:14.34 | scanline | mmmm, that is tasty |
| 00:14.50 | JBdiGriz | I found one Unix community, Tim is there :) |
| 00:16.03 | mmu_man | I really need to port DRI |
| 00:16.11 | mmu_man | bz is unplayable with soft gl and a mouse |
| 00:23.50 | CIA-3 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/configure.in: check if whoami is available |
| 00:29.39 | CIA-3 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/include/common.h: include windows header on MinGW32 and the W32_DEBUG_TRACE |
| 00:32.39 | CIA-3 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/include/network.h: have pragma warning only on MS Compiler |
| 00:35.07 | CIA-3 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/common/BundleMgr.cxx: unused var removed |
| 00:36.12 | JBdiGriz | Tupone: Where is your SDL include files located? I am installed in /usr/local/include/SDL, and I need to change the configure.in to add in the path. |
| 00:36.58 | Tupone | you should run sdl-config to get the include dir |
| 00:37.07 | mmu_man | JBdiGriz you should use sdl-config to find those |
| 00:37.12 | mmu_man | never hardcode paths |
| 00:37.20 | mmu_man | eh :) |
| 00:37.38 | Tupone | JBdiGriz, if you want to change the include location, edit sdl-config |
| 00:37.52 | JBdiGriz | That sounds good, but the SDL_CFLAGS isn't getting used in the compile. I don't want to change the location, since that's the default. |
| 00:38.21 | Tupone | it is used, why not? |
| 00:38.45 | JBdiGriz | That's what I'm looking for now. |
| 00:39.21 | Tupone | look at src/platform/Makefile.am |
| 00:40.35 | JBdiGriz | AM_CPPFLAGS = $(SDL_CFLAGS) |
| 00:40.44 | JBdiGriz | There's no mention in CPPFLAGS |
| 00:41.01 | JBdiGriz | That's in the Makefile that's generated. |
| 00:41.02 | CIA-3 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/common/TimeKeeper.cxx: compiler warning about comparing unsigned with 0 |
| 00:42.05 | Tupone | AM_CPPFLAGS is alway added as a compiler options. Isn't that? |
| 00:44.00 | JBdiGriz | Yes it is, and now that I've added it into the configure.in again, it's in there twice. Very odd. |
| 00:44.55 | JBdiGriz | It's a problem with the Mac OS X automake, I can fix that and check it in. |
| 00:45.06 | Tupone | I have only on Makefile.am |
| 00:45.14 | mmu_man | autotools sux anyway |
| 00:45.15 | captain_proton | hrm, anyone know how to set rgb values for specific data sets in gnuplot? |
| 00:45.26 | Tupone | and that option are used only inside src/platform |
| 00:45.41 | mmu_man | theer rare times they would be useful for BeOS they aren't used to do the correct checks |
| 00:45.43 | JBdiGriz | mmu_man: I'm not trying to change everything, just test out this joystick use on the Mac ;) |
| 00:45.51 | mmu_man | that is AC_CHECK_LIB(sqrtf,m) |
| 00:46.09 | mmu_man | still didn't test joysticks in BeOS |
| 00:46.19 | mmu_man | except with a nice prog that emulates the mouse |
| 00:46.25 | JBdiGriz | Tupone: It's a quick addition in src/platform/MacOSX |
| 00:46.54 | CIA-3 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/common/WordFilter.cxx: compiler warning about unused parameter |
| 01:08.17 | JBdiGriz | Tupone: The joystick basically works, although it backs up in the neutral position. Button mapping needs a lot of work. |
| 01:08.45 | Tupone | what you mean by backup? |
| 01:09.12 | learner | sounds like it's not calibrated |
| 01:09.15 | JBdiGriz | The tank travels backwards with the joystick in the middle position. |
| 01:09.21 | JBdiGriz | learner: yep |
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| 01:16.23 | Tupone | hi Chiko |
| 01:16.38 | RC_cola | ciao tupo |
| 01:16.42 | learner | oh, hi! |
| 01:16.51 | RC_cola | o hi L! |
| 01:16.53 | RC_cola | ;) |
| 01:16.59 | learner | didn't see you sneak in ;) |
| 01:17.03 | RC_cola | hehee |
| 01:17.19 | RC_cola | i tippy toed i;) |
| 01:17.25 | RC_cola | -i |
| 01:17.29 | RC_cola | ugh |
| 01:17.36 | RC_cola | too cold...to type :P |
| 01:20.12 | RC_cola | wow itz -3 degrees here |
| 01:20.54 | RC_cola | aw |
| 01:20.57 | RC_cola | heh |
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| 01:32.02 | CIA-3 | 03dbw192 * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am: Simple change for SDL include. |
| 01:37.25 | learner | aww |
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| 02:05.27 | MrApathyCream | i see we're fixing all the 'tough' problems, eh? |
| 02:07.05 | JBdiGriz | We're also having a good time with the orkut communities. |
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| 02:32.41 | learner | ;) |
| 02:33.00 | Patlabor221 | so where is the kick ass karma implementation? |
| 02:35.08 | learner | it kicked tim's ass and took off running |
| 02:35.29 | learner | j/k tim :) |
| 02:36.16 | Patlabor221 | heh that just gave me an odd vision. |
| 02:37.05 | CIA-3 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/bzflag.dsw: follow along with the new important changes |
| 02:37.05 | Patlabor221 | To figure out what features go into a version, the "champion" of each feature joins a game as a tank named like the feeature |
| 02:37.05 | Patlabor221 | and they all duke it out :) |
| 02:37.05 | Patlabor221 | then Karam could kick your ass |
| 02:37.35 | MrApathyCream | it would be a lonely battlefield, no? |
| 02:37.35 | Patlabor221 | well yeah |
| 02:37.35 | Patlabor221 | ok we could set up bots and let them duke it out |
| 02:37.37 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 02:37.52 | Patlabor221 | "Karam vs. A_better_map_format" |
| 02:38.03 | Patlabor221 | round 1 |
| 02:39.45 | Patlabor221 | hmmm dosn't look like there is really a way to make a client run headless without at least 1 #def |
| 02:39.53 | Patlabor221 | unless dynamic libs are used |
| 02:42.15 | MrApathyCream | i take it bzfs is dependent on game which is dependent on common |
| 02:42.17 | MrApathyCream | anything else? |
| 02:43.03 | learner | presently, no |
| 02:43.08 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 02:45.07 | CIA-3 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/bzflag.dsw: follow along with the new important changes |
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| 03:16.40 | Patlabor221 | gahhh recursion hurts brain |
| 03:16.44 | Patlabor221 | or maybe it's the beer |
| 04:34.26 | CIA-3 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/ (28 files in 4 dirs): pitch in with the important work |
| 04:37.43 | Patlabor221 | well I now have a nested visable object manager, if BZ ever supported groups, it could use it. |
| 04:38.47 | CIA-3 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/obstacle/Makefile.am: remember the big people |
| 04:43.23 | CIA-3 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): oops one more part to the important work |
| 04:44.22 | CIA-3 | 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/obstacle/Makefile.am: do more 'memberin' |
| 04:50.11 | Patlabor221 | is the plan to keep worlds basicly the same ( a buttload of objects ) for 1.11 ? |
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| 05:10.52 | fiberchunks | whee! that was fun |
| 05:11.08 | fiberchunks | 10 person CTF is craziness though |
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| 05:17.52 | fiberchunks | time for bed, gnight all |
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| 06:16.55 | scanline | YAY, it's MrApathyCream on orkut! |
| 06:18.01 | fontenot | oh really? |
| 06:25.14 | gonkulator | oh well |
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| 06:32.02 | captain_proton | yay |
| 06:32.05 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream is my friend :) |
| 06:32.11 | scanline | now MrApathyCream just needs a photo |
| 06:33.27 | gonkulator | ROFLMAO |
| 06:33.28 | gonkulator | Q: Hey I just found this game, and I'm getting pounded, what do I do? |
| 06:33.30 | gonkulator | A: Hey I've played alot, and still get pounded. :) |
| 06:33.35 | gonkulator | thats great |
| 06:37.59 | creeperz | ~bzflist |
| 06:38.00 | creeperz | hrm |
| 06:38.00 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:38.03 | creeperz | why wont it work? |
| 06:38.09 | creeperz | ok |
| 06:38.12 | creeperz | just a lil slow |
| 06:40.17 | fontenot | anyone wanna be my friend? (jacques) |
| 06:40.20 | gonkulator | heh |
| 06:40.47 | fontenot | heh I could have written that FAQ |
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| 07:05.24 | gonkulator | MrApathyCream: orkut is good |
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| 07:49.58 | creeperz | fnally a theme i like |
| 07:50.20 | creeperz | yea... that was in the wrong channel so just ignore ^ that |
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| 08:27.11 | bomber | moin |
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| 09:20.24 | Pimpinella | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:58.44 | fontenot | interesting - 1.11 bahaves differntly in decks |
| 11:58.55 | fontenot | because shots now bounce off the bottom of the surfaces |
| 11:59.08 | Chestal | 1.10 does this, too |
| 11:59.19 | fontenot | ah I guess I never noticed |
| 12:00.57 | Chestal | bin kurz weg |
| 12:00.59 | Chestal | oops |
| 12:10.38 | fontenot | hmm I'm observing a game on secretplace and someone killed a purple player using G and the other purple player did not die - no BU was involved |
| 12:14.41 | fontenot | hmm that time it worked , ah well |
| 12:16.49 | your_dog | quick question |
| 12:16.56 | your_dog | how do you change your nick like that? |
| 12:17.10 | your_dog | --- mmu_man is now known as mmu |
| 12:20.32 | fontenot | you mean on irc? |
| 12:21.29 | your_dog | yeah |
| 12:21.51 | fontenot | use the /nick command |
| 12:21.59 | your_dog | ahhh, ok, thnx |
| 12:22.50 | your_dog | cool :) |
| 12:30.12 | mmu_man | nono |
| 12:30.21 | mmu_man | use /quit /nick newnick |
| 12:30.23 | mmu_man | :P |
| 12:31.23 | your_dog | hmmmm, i don't know much about IRC, but i don't think i want 2 do that :) |
| 12:56.15 | mmu_man | :p |
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| 13:53.32 | mmu_man | any way of knowing the FPS in bz ? |
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| 14:04.37 | creeperz | "t" key |
| 14:05.44 | your_dog | ~quol |
| 14:05.54 | your_dog | any1 want 2 join me? |
| 14:09.21 | your_dog | no one? i might cry :D |
| 14:09.49 | your_dog | come on, i want beat you too badly :) |
| 14:36.12 | your_dog | ls |
| 14:36.14 | your_dog | lol |
| 14:36.51 | your_dog | i was thinkin about somethin else, and switched to the wrong window, was supposed to go to my terminal |
| 14:49.29 | your_dog | ~quol |
| 14:49.37 | your_dog | ~d |
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| 15:28.51 | fontenot | is there any way to change world map when starting server from client? |
| 15:29.04 | fontenot | it looks like there should be |
| 15:32.55 | Nidhoggr | there should be... I'm not sure how, though. |
| 15:33.09 | Nidhoggr | let me check mine... |
| 15:35.39 | Nidhoggr | if you are using 1.10.4, you can specify the map in the "start server" menu. |
| 15:35.47 | Nidhoggr | 1.10.2 doesn't support it. |
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| 15:47.52 | Grumbler | ~gmm |
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| 15:51.01 | TheDarkSamurai | hi guys |
| 16:06.22 | Nidhoggr | ~seen larsl |
| 16:06.25 | | larsl <~larsl@c213-100-50-18.swipnet.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 7d 5h 8m 50s ago, saying: 'Yes, ibot.'. |
| 16:06.31 | Nidhoggr | wow. |
| 16:08.19 | bomber | ~d |
| 16:14.03 | Grumbler | ~gmm |
| 16:16.41 | Nidhoggr | I have a horrible habit of yelling into the phone if I can't hear the other person very well. |
| 16:17.49 | fontenot | Nidhoggr, my start server menu only has random map and wont allow me to change that :-\ |
| 16:18.11 | Nidhoggr | hrm. let me look at the man page. |
| 16:18.46 | fontenot | i just started a bzfs |
| 16:19.01 | fontenot | i have come to the conclusion that bots suck at decks :-D |
| 16:20.10 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:20.13 | Nidhoggr | definitely. :) |
| 16:20.18 | Nidhoggr | bots just aren't very good. |
| 16:20.32 | fontenot | they wont even jump |
| 16:20.35 | Nidhoggr | but it does make you feel better when you can get a high score for once. :) |
| 16:20.41 | fontenot | much less jump onto things |
| 16:20.45 | Nidhoggr | nope |
| 16:20.46 | fontenot | Nidhoggr, exactly :-D |
| 16:20.57 | fontenot | i can kick the bots' booty |
| 16:23.14 | Nidhoggr | I'm just guessing, but maybe it needs the maps in a specific directory or something or added to a config file. I'll hunt around some more. |
| 16:24.08 | fontenot | yeah I was thinking that too - a maps dir somewhere |
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| 16:30.27 | Nidhoggr | patlabor221! |
| 16:30.28 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:30.39 | Nidhoggr | maybe you know the answer... since it's not in the man page. :) |
| 16:31.15 | Nidhoggr | in bzflag, 1.10.4, if you want another map to launch from the client, how do you get it to select something besides "random map"? |
| 16:33.40 | Patlabor221 | did they put a world pramater in there? |
| 16:33.47 | Nidhoggr | yep |
| 16:33.50 | Patlabor221 | cus as far as I know, there is no way. |
| 16:33.58 | Nidhoggr | there is a world perameter. |
| 16:34.08 | Patlabor221 | then put the map path/name in that param |
| 16:34.12 | Patlabor221 | and it'll start that map |
| 16:34.13 | Nidhoggr | maybe they have to be in a specific dir. |
| 16:34.19 | Nidhoggr | you can't type over it. |
| 16:34.33 | Nidhoggr | hrm. maybe it'd save it where it needs to be. |
| 16:34.36 | Patlabor221 | it's relitive to the app dir |
| 16:34.48 | Patlabor221 | or put in the full path |
| 16:34.54 | fontenot | but you cant change it |
| 16:34.56 | Patlabor221 | well I should say "working dir" |
| 16:35.08 | Patlabor221 | you can't edit the world param? |
| 16:35.12 | fontenot | correct |
| 16:35.24 | Patlabor221 | who was the person who implemented that? |
| 16:35.28 | Nidhoggr | dunno. |
| 16:35.37 | Nidhoggr | it wasn't in 1.10.2, but it's in 1.10.4 |
| 16:35.45 | Patlabor221 | way to go for testing on that one |
| 16:35.48 | Nidhoggr | it'd be cool if it works. :) |
| 16:35.59 | Nidhoggr | it might work, but we might not be using it right. |
| 16:36.12 | Patlabor221 | how else can an edit text box work? |
| 16:36.16 | Nidhoggr | fontenot, try saving a world with the save option, then see if it shows up there. |
| 16:36.31 | Nidhoggr | maybe cycle through maps in a dir with arrow keys? |
| 16:36.44 | Patlabor221 | like somone made it some sorta funky "pull down" ? |
| 16:37.16 | fontenot | well the save option puts the map in the cwd |
| 16:37.40 | fontenot | so maybe if I start bzflag from a dir with maps in it ? |
| 16:37.50 | Nidhoggr | maybe. |
| 16:37.56 | Nidhoggr | worth a try. |
| 16:39.15 | fontenot | no joy |
| 16:39.22 | fontenot | ah well, I can just use bzfs anyway |
| 16:39.25 | Nidhoggr | well, someone will know. :) |
| 16:39.28 | fontenot | not a big deal |
| 16:39.33 | Nidhoggr | nod. |
| 16:42.18 | fontenot | dunno if anything can be done, but on my ATI binary driver box, I cant change brightness using the menu in fullscreen mode - can in -window mode |
| 16:43.02 | Nidhoggr | probably a good thing to submit to bugs. |
| 16:43.55 | fontenot | ah yeah good point |
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| 16:44.24 | Nidhoggr | mooooO! |
| 16:44.35 | Noodleman_laptop | moof0rz |
| 16:44.40 | Noodleman_laptop | what's up? |
| 16:44.49 | Nidhoggr | bad lighting. |
| 16:44.50 | Noodleman_laptop | hehe |
| 16:44.51 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:53.26 | Patlabor221 | fotenot windows or linux? |
| 16:53.32 | fontenot | Patlabor221, linux |
| 16:53.37 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 16:53.39 | Patlabor221 | then can't help ya |
| 16:53.54 | fontenot | np I was just curious |
| 16:55.53 | Patlabor221 | generaly it's a driver thing |
| 16:56.07 | Patlabor221 | on windows that can hapen when you have the current drivers and an old DirectX |
| 16:57.45 | fontenot | i can change it using xgamma |
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| 17:18.09 | Nidhoggr | fontenot, ATI puts out their own drivers for linux, which you might want to try. |
| 17:19.20 | your_dog | ~qoul |
| 17:19.28 | your_dog | ~d |
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| 17:55.23 | brlcad | it's not an edit text box |
| 17:55.55 | brlcad | fontenot: *ping* |
| 17:56.24 | brlcad | i believe it looks in your current directory or your ~/.bzf/. dir |
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| 18:00.52 | brlcad | fontenot: it will look in both ~/.bzf/. and your -data directory under linux, something similar on windows |
| 18:01.14 | brlcad | could probably add current working dir as well |
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| 18:07.30 | Grumbler | found an interesting bug this weekend..........if a map contains bases(team bases), but you run the map as rabbit(or possibly ffa, didnt try that), flags spawn as if the bases were there |
| 18:07.59 | brlcad | heh, it's a "feature" :) |
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| 18:08.38 | brlcad | i bet if you enable flags on buildings (-fb), it'll work |
| 18:08.46 | Grumbler | nice feature, just a little frustrating |
| 18:09.06 | Grumbler | it was an elevated base....so -fb was set |
| 18:09.47 | Grumbler | it was the TheFinalCastle to be specific, and D.Samurai put a base on top as a decorative item |
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| 19:40.20 | Tupone | DTRemenak: hi |
| 19:40.26 | DTRemenak | tupone: hello |
| 19:46.25 | Tupone | DTRemenak: I saw a flag (CL) moving, like a ghost. I didn't see the tank, only the flag. :) 1.11 |
| 19:46.39 | DTRemenak | ooh, sounds fun |
| 19:47.40 | Tupone | should be one of the last changes |
| 19:51.36 | CIA-4 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/obstacle/ (9 files): Warning fixed about missing end-of-line |
| 19:52.34 | CIA-4 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/include/ObstacleSceneNodeGenerator.h: Warning fixed about missing end-of-line |
| 19:58.25 | Grumbler | is there a way to set world size for a random world? |
| 20:06.25 | bryjen | I've seen the flags of cloaked tank still be visible in 1.10.4 |
| 20:07.09 | bryjen | and when I had the seer flag, the CL tanks reappear, but their flags do not |
| 20:25.56 | Nidhoggr | wierd. |
| 20:28.52 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: is there a switch to set the size of a random world? |
| 20:29.57 | Nidhoggr | yeah... should be in the man page... hang on. |
| 20:30.11 | Nidhoggr | -worldsize |
| 20:30.25 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: hmmm, i thought your extra special config file had all the options.....aah |
| 20:30.30 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: thnx |
| 20:30.33 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 20:30.45 | Nidhoggr | not sure the format. |
| 20:30.46 | Grumbler | my tribute to chardonney needs a larger world |
| 20:30.55 | Nidhoggr | aaah. :) |
| 20:36.07 | Grumbler | seems to be a single number.....so a 300x300 world, would be -worldsize 150 |
| 20:36.20 | Noodleman_laptop | csh is real smart :-) |
| 20:36.33 | Noodleman_laptop | [root@fomalhaut html]# "How would you rate Bush's incompetence? |
| 20:36.34 | Noodleman_laptop | Unmatched ". |
| 20:36.51 | Noodleman_laptop | [root@fomalhaut html]# make fire |
| 20:36.51 | Noodleman_laptop | make: *** No rule to make target `fire'. Stop. |
| 20:36.51 | Noodleman_laptop | [root@fomalhaut html]# why? |
| 20:36.51 | Noodleman_laptop | why?: No match. |
| 20:36.58 | Noodleman_laptop | hehe |
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| 20:48.40 | bryjen | hrm. stick_s_. typo spoiled my rhyme :( |
| 20:49.18 | TyroneFHornigh | bryjen: We don't have basements in So Cal. ;) |
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| 20:59.32 | fiberchunks | argh, this anti-biotic is making me nauseous |
| 20:59.57 | Grumbler | killing off the bacteria in your stomach has that effect.... |
| 21:00.27 | your_dog | fiberchunks: btw, don't know if i said the other night, but sorry for your injury |
| 21:00.45 | your_dog | well, i'm not sorry for your injury, but for you :) |
| 21:01.01 | fiberchunks | the docs warned me of this, apparently it's some sort of super anti-biotic -- I dunno, I just eat the stupid things ;) |
| 21:01.05 | fiberchunks | your_dog, thx |
| 21:01.34 | Grumbler | fiberchunks, cipro? |
| 21:01.40 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 21:02.15 | Grumbler | been on that for a few months over the past year....yeah, its a pain........getting off is worse though |
| 21:02.55 | fiberchunks | oh, then I look forward to it :\ |
| 21:03.01 | fiberchunks | luckily, it's only for 7 days |
| 21:04.11 | Grumbler | 7 days?....hmmm, my usual dosage was 15.........guess they think you have healthy pets :) |
| 21:04.59 | Nidhoggr | fiber, go get some yogurt with active culture in it. |
| 21:05.02 | Nidhoggr | and it it a LOT |
| 21:05.05 | fiberchunks | it's twice a day for 7 days, iirc - that matter? |
| 21:05.24 | fiberchunks | I am _bathing_ in alcohol ;) |
| 21:05.33 | fiberchunks | the non-drinkable kind, regrettably ;) |
| 21:05.35 | Nidhoggr | that's not gunna help the bacteria in your tummy. :) |
| 21:05.44 | Nidhoggr | oh, bummer. |
| 21:05.46 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:05.59 | fiberchunks | then I'll use the drinkable kind (pure-grain should about kill anything off! ) |
| 21:06.25 | Nidhoggr | the problem is that the antibiotic is killing off the good bacteria in your tummy. |
| 21:06.45 | Nidhoggr | acidopholis milk or active yogurt will help replenish. |
| 21:06.52 | fiberchunks | popular college remedy for everything from broken bones to the gout: drink 1/5 of jack daniels or jim beam, and eat a whole package of garlic (the pills, not the fresh stuff) :) Worked pretty good |
| 21:08.21 | Grumbler | drunk and bad breath.............guess it cures the social life, although you wont really notice..........so there is a bright side |
| 21:08.44 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 21:08.54 | fiberchunks | the pills have no odor :) |
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| 21:53.40 | TyroneFHornigh | Tupone: *ping* |
| 21:54.10 | Tupone | pong |
| 21:54.22 | Tupone | high lag |
| 21:54.41 | TyroneFHornigh | I was playing with the joystick buttons yesterday. The key menu tried to map them into known events. |
| 21:54.57 | Tupone | yeah, F1, F2 ... |
| 21:55.20 | TyroneFHornigh | Well,no. tab backspace, right, left, middle mouse button. |
| 21:55.50 | Tupone | the first 3 are mouse button, then F1 F2 ... IIRC |
| 21:55.53 | TyroneFHornigh | There was one that kept coming up as <unmapped> |
| 21:56.39 | Tupone | I made a weird thing trying to map a button as I liked :) |
| 21:57.08 | Tupone | I shift one of the button |
| 21:57.10 | TyroneFHornigh | I'll have to try each of them again. What am I going to run into when I try to add ten or twenty joystick button events into the KeyManager? |
| 21:58.35 | Tupone | line 4911 of playing.cxx |
| 21:58.45 | Tupone | and BzfWindow.cxx |
| 21:59.30 | Tupone | is that the answer ? |
| 21:59.49 | TyroneFHornigh | That looks like a good start, which is really what I need. |
| 22:00.25 | Tupone | I saw the irc log, about why I made all stuff in SDLDisplay. It was by you? |
| 22:00.37 | TyroneFHornigh | Buttons 3,4,5,6,7 weren't causing events for me. |
| 22:01.08 | TyroneFHornigh | That was by me, but it doesn't look like it was just you. It looks like all of the platforms work that way, and I didn't understand it. |
| 22:02.20 | Tupone | I put that in, just because I think it is temporary. When we'll find all SDL working n all the platform, we have to think of a new restructuring, avoiding display, window and visual. They are just X11 classification |
| 22:03.07 | TyroneFHornigh | Will SDL become it's own platform, and we do away with the Mac/Win/Linux implementations? |
| 22:04.02 | Tupone | IMHO, we should remove all the platform not SDL based, and then rethink to a new layer to fit all non-SDL platform |
| 22:04.16 | Tupone | so deletin and restructuring |
| 22:04.36 | Tupone | but could be too hard ... |
| 22:05.15 | Tupone | so the answer is yes, that is my wish |
| 22:07.20 | TyroneFHornigh | Thanks, I'll let you know what happens with the buttons, and then we can play with the rest of SDL on the mac. |
| 22:07.33 | Tupone | tty |
| 22:12.05 | DTRemenak | ~spell queuing |
| 22:12.06 | | 'queuing' may be spelled correctly |
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| 22:39.17 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr: having any network issues? |
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| 22:40.02 | Nidhoggr | depends on where you are geographically. |
| 22:40.17 | Grumbler | hmm, it might be me |
| 22:40.46 | Grumbler | but getting out of the mid-atlantic today has been rough |
| 22:40.48 | Nidhoggr | we had a problem in new york. |
| 22:41.12 | Nidhoggr | not sure what it was, though. engineer looking at it now. it seems to be working now, though. |
| 22:41.31 | Grumbler | i actually got kicked off of galkire.net |
| 22:41.46 | Grumbler | but, like i said, there is something else.......... |
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| 22:41.53 | Nidhoggr | might be global crossing related. |
| 22:42.07 | Grumbler | connection to hashmark was ~700ms |
| 22:43.24 | Grumbler | some sites are quick...oh well thats life |
| 22:43.46 | Nidhoggr | it does look like a problem with one of our peers, which you'd see to multiple sites. |
| 22:44.02 | Nidhoggr | it's because we're stripping the floor in our mantrap. :) |
| 22:44.10 | Nidhoggr | broke the whole internet. |
| 22:44.19 | Grumbler | :) |
| 22:44.37 | Grumbler | that will teach you to have stippers in your man trap |
| 22:45.48 | Grumbler | time to go.... |
| 22:52.48 | Pimpinella | ~d |
| 22:53.16 | Pimpinella | hrmpf |
| 22:54.01 | TyroneFHornigh | ~bzflist |
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| 23:29.45 | CIA-4 | 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/common/bzfio.cxx: ws |
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| 23:46.09 | BaDiN | olá |
| 23:46.14 | BaDiN | people, tell me something: |
| 23:46.16 | BaDiN | what's the difference between a P4 3GHz and PowerPC G4 1Ghz? |
| 23:46.29 | captain_proton | one is a P4, running at 3GHz |
| 23:46.37 | captain_proton | one is a G4, running at 1GHz |
| 23:46.51 | BaDiN | ´lol |
| 23:46.58 | scanline | but, it's like in pinball, where you get the score multiplier |
| 23:47.00 | BaDiN | but if they are comparable |
| 23:47.13 | captain_proton | apples and powerpcs |
| 23:47.17 | captain_proton | err |
| 23:47.22 | captain_proton | apples and pentiums :) |
| 23:47.37 | BaDiN | why P4 has to run at 3 GHz and G4 only at 1 GHz? |
| 23:48.11 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 23:48.14 | BaDiN | theoretically, the G4 is more potent than the P4? |
| 23:48.17 | triclops_pb | p4 is made to run at insane clock speeds so people think its really fast and buy it over other chips |
| 23:48.32 | Tupone | why they don't run at 4 GHz ? |
| 23:48.40 | TyroneFHornigh | There's a difference in the instruction sets. |
| 23:49.24 | BaDiN | but they are related somehow. my question is: how can they be comparable if one runs at 3 GHz and the other at 1 GHz? |
| 23:49.50 | TyroneFHornigh | Actually, the clock speed is pretty unrelated. |
| 23:49.50 | captain_proton | There's a difference in the instruction sets. |
| 23:49.58 | triclops_pb | a better comparison is how long does it take each to execute an instruction |
| 23:50.07 | BaDiN | oh |
| 23:50.08 | captain_proton | the G4 does more per clock cycle |
| 23:50.16 | triclops_pb | but that still doesn't tell you everything |
| 23:50.35 | BaDiN | that means that the G4 is... better? |
| 23:50.37 | captain_proton | (sometimes) |
| 23:50.45 | captain_proton | neither is "better" |
| 23:50.51 | BaDiN | because it would be faster if running at 3 GHz |
| 23:50.56 | BaDiN | than the P4 |
| 23:50.57 | TyroneFHornigh | What are you trying to compare? Give me your definition of "better" |
| 23:51.10 | captain_proton | buy a G4 if you're a rich apple-loving hippy, buy a P4 if you're a starving college student =} |
| 23:51.24 | TyroneFHornigh | Rumor has it that the 3GHz G5 will be available this summer. |
| 23:51.42 | TyroneFHornigh | If all you want is clock speed and bragging rights. ;) |
| 23:52.06 | TyroneFHornigh | captain_proton: That's rather simplistic, and doesn't fairly compare costs. |
| 23:52.11 | DTRemenak | heh, I don't know many starving college students with intel procs... AMD if you're a starving college student |
| 23:52.26 | TyroneFHornigh | Although I know several people who feel that's accurate. ;) |
| 23:52.51 | captain_proton | DTRemenak: well, you have to consider it from multiple points of view |
| 23:52.54 | BaDiN | lol |
| 23:53.06 | captain_proton | what you might save on buying AMD over Intel you lose with the electricity bills ;-) |
| 23:53.32 | BaDiN | lol |
| 23:53.42 | TyroneFHornigh | and what you might save on buying Pentium over PowerPC, you lose on downtime and fiddling time. ;-) |
| 23:53.51 | CIA-4 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: using _FD_SET to avoid compiler warning on win32 |
| 23:54.01 | captain_proton | heh, i dunno |
| 23:54.09 | captain_proton | these little ibooks are a PITA |
| 23:55.29 | BaDiN | well |
| 23:55.31 | TyroneFHornigh | I'm having a great time with my little ibook. It's a clamshell SE. |
| 23:56.00 | triclops_pb | my AlBook kicks butt |
| 23:56.04 | BaDiN | what I understand is that G4 works better but slower, and the P4 not as efective, but faster |
| 23:56.10 | BaDiN | so, they have similar performances |
| 23:56.10 | BaDiN | ? |
| 23:56.28 | BaDiN | the G4 could be compared to the centrino? |
| 23:56.30 | TyroneFHornigh | The NT admin was here earlier. They were redoing the network, and screwed up, and I was able to connect to the servers faster with my ibook than any other machine around. |
| 23:56.39 | CIA-4 | 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/net/Ping.cxx: using _FD_SET to avoid compiler warning on win32 |
| 23:57.29 | TyroneFHornigh | If you're trying to compare processors, you have to define what you're trying to do with it. You are far better off comparing the instruction sets, register sets, and speed of instruction execution before you get to clock speed. |
| 23:57.45 | triclops_pb | and cache sizes |
| 23:57.56 | TyroneFHornigh | Yep |
| 23:58.22 | BaDiN | well |
| 23:58.26 | BaDiN | let me make this simplier |
| 23:58.26 | BaDiN | lol |
| 23:58.32 | TyroneFHornigh | There's probably a lot of other more important parameters that I'm forgetting, since I'm just going off the top of my head rather than looking at the papers right now. |
| 23:58.51 | BaDiN | what processor would you buy: the G4 1 GHz, the P4 3 GHz or the Centrino 1.7 GHz? |
| 23:59.17 | BaDiN | :) |
| 23:59.17 | TyroneFHornigh | What are you trying to do with it? |
| 23:59.17 | Tupone | and how instruction scheduling performs (parallelize) for "normal program" |
| 23:59.45 | TyroneFHornigh | That's often a function of the compiler, although compilers are getting pretty conventional as well. |