| 00:00.22 | Patlabor221 | so intersect and get normal for each object then |
| 00:00.23 | trepan | with the renamed function inCylinder(), inBox(), and in inMovingBox() |
| 00:00.47 | trepan | pretty much everything in Obstacle.h |
| 00:00.53 | Patlabor221 | ok, but each object is responsible for doing it's own collision detection |
| 00:00.56 | trepan | and i'm going to end up adding some more stuff |
| 00:01.11 | trepan | Patlabor221: yup, once the CM figures out if it's even worth testing |
| 00:01.15 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 00:01.54 | Patlabor221 | I'm more keen on the idea of there being a generic "colision object" that the specific object fills out, then the CM does the tests for collision |
| 00:02.01 | Patlabor221 | then the backend can be changed at any time |
| 00:02.09 | Patlabor221 | without changing the indivisual objects |
| 00:02.25 | Patlabor221 | and arbitary tests can be done between any objects |
| 00:02.37 | Patlabor221 | like "do these boxes intersect" |
| 00:03.12 | Patlabor221 | that could be used for a lot of other stuff |
| 00:03.26 | trepan | sure, but i'm almost all typed out for the week |
| 00:03.33 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 00:03.35 | Patlabor221 | fair enough |
| 00:03.40 | Patlabor221 | baby steps |
| 00:03.42 | trepan | it for the moment, the unneccasary complexity for what i'm after |
| 00:03.51 | Patlabor221 | that it probably is |
| 00:04.16 | trepan | but for OC, oh ya |
| 00:04.17 | Patlabor221 | just thought you should know my overall idea ( hint hint, wink wink, nudge nudge) |
| 00:04.40 | Patlabor221 | you sure |
| 00:04.46 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure I could be more subtle :) |
| 00:04.59 | trepan | no, just finishing the movie quote ;) (doing my best Eric Idle accent) |
| 00:05.05 | Patlabor221 | hmm teleporters should be source and dest zones too |
| 00:05.15 | Patlabor221 | what movie? |
| 00:05.37 | trepan | monty python something-or-other, he keeps poking the guy with his elbow |
| 00:05.46 | Patlabor221 | can't say I recall that |
| 00:05.52 | Patlabor221 | well vaugly |
| 00:05.55 | trepan | it's a vague memory |
| 00:06.19 | trepan | but for the real coldet stuff, we're talking meshes and whatnot, it's a good bit more work |
| 00:07.06 | Patlabor221 | or just use a lib |
| 00:07.10 | Patlabor221 | like "coldet" |
| 00:07.12 | trepan | true |
| 00:07.20 | Patlabor221 | many seem to like ODE these days |
| 00:07.23 | trepan | coldet would suck from what i've seen of it |
| 00:07.30 | trepan | ODE may be a bit big, dunno |
| 00:07.40 | Patlabor221 | but that's why I think moving the collisions to a generic manger is nice, so that that backend can be done once |
| 00:08.02 | trepan | it's really wouldn't be much work either way |
| 00:08.15 | Patlabor221 | be nice to move physics respince into a similar( if not same ) manager |
| 00:08.20 | Patlabor221 | so that it's allways the same |
| 00:08.24 | trepan | definitely |
| 00:08.31 | Patlabor221 | but thenI'm talking silly |
| 00:08.45 | trepan | that's one of my big issues, and as to whether or not it would be better done in integers for OS consistentcy |
| 00:09.00 | trepan | you can do a lot with integers =) |
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| 00:09.31 | Patlabor221 | I think the difrences would be so small that it woudn't be that discernable |
| 00:09.45 | trepan | for co-sim, exactness is primo importante |
| 00:09.58 | trepan | think butterfly |
| 00:10.26 | Patlabor221 | well then make the server authoritive and send out small corections |
| 00:10.57 | Patlabor221 | then it dosnt mater, cus everyone is really using the same CPU |
| 00:11.05 | trepan | it can be designed to not require that, saves on network bandwidth |
| 00:11.06 | Patlabor221 | but they do there own that is right 99% of the time |
| 00:11.19 | Patlabor221 | only send it if they are wrong |
| 00:11.31 | Patlabor221 | I ausme that compilers are gonna be the same most of the time |
| 00:11.38 | trepan | you've got to counter-check that they are wrong... more bandwidth |
| 00:11.49 | Patlabor221 | check em on there next update |
| 00:11.50 | trepan | anyways, i'm still playing with some of that |
| 00:11.54 | Patlabor221 | they have to send it anyway |
| 00:12.12 | trepan | depends on the update type, you'd be assumming absolute position |
| 00:12.23 | Patlabor221 | I think you have to do abs pos |
| 00:12.29 | trepan | you can do better bandwidth wise with delta coding, or user iniput |
| 00:12.41 | trepan | Patlabor221: i don't think so, but we'll see |
| 00:12.44 | Patlabor221 | I think in this day in age, saving 4 byts isn't work it |
| 00:13.06 | Patlabor221 | screw the dialups :) |
| 00:13.06 | trepan | aim for 200 users =) |
| 00:13.12 | Patlabor221 | only send updates that are close to you |
| 00:13.19 | trepan | that's the tradeoff |
| 00:13.31 | Patlabor221 | but yes we will see |
| 00:13.35 | trepan | plus, just sending inputs makes it harder to cheat |
| 00:13.42 | Patlabor221 | I think delta allows for too much error |
| 00:14.11 | Patlabor221 | I feel you can do the same by checking postions |
| 00:14.22 | Patlabor221 | not just input |
| 00:14.27 | Patlabor221 | I'd like to know how others did it |
| 00:14.30 | Patlabor221 | like subspace |
| 00:14.43 | Patlabor221 | wonder if Tim could let us inteview Jeff one day |
| 00:14.44 | trepan | just give me a little time to play with it, and i'll probably go that way |
| 00:14.50 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 00:14.50 | trepan | meantime, coffee break |
| 00:17.31 | Patlabor221 | I so wish you could do a switch statement on std::string :) |
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| 00:27.56 | Patlabor221 | so brlcad think it's ok to have an objet say it wants to be represented by a viual thing by calling, VisualElementManager::instance()->newObject("Teleporter",this); |
| 00:29.02 | Patlabor221 | and implementing a couple standard info methods |
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| 00:45.20 | learner | Patlabor221, what type is "this"? |
| 00:45.34 | learner | maybe ->newObject(Teleporter, this);? |
| 00:45.36 | Patlabor221 | a base class |
| 00:45.47 | Patlabor221 | that implements standard info geting thingys |
| 00:46.02 | Patlabor221 | in that example it's the teleporter obstacle it'self |
| 00:46.24 | learner | so type Teleporter? |
| 00:46.34 | Patlabor221 | not in the function no |
| 00:46.48 | Patlabor221 | BaseVisualElement* newObject ( std::string &className, BaseVisableObject *parent ); |
| 00:47.05 | learner | no, I get that.. I mean the object itself |
| 00:47.10 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:47.30 | learner | why class name instead of class type? |
| 00:47.52 | Patlabor221 | ohh just the name of the class of visual object you want |
| 00:47.54 | Patlabor221 | it could be type |
| 00:47.58 | learner | you could have a static method in BaseVisualObject return the classname |
| 00:47.59 | Patlabor221 | or whatever |
| 00:48.10 | learner | so you could actually templatize it |
| 00:48.19 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 00:48.22 | Patlabor221 | that would work too |
| 00:48.39 | Patlabor221 | I can make that change when they are all converted |
| 00:48.50 | Patlabor221 | I'm testing it by just converting teleporters first |
| 00:49.17 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure there is oddles of room for optimisation and slickage :) |
| 00:49.39 | Patlabor221 | gotta make sure it works first :) |
| 00:50.23 | Patlabor221 | the cool thing is, in a non drawing implementation, the manager has no elements registerd, the new fails, and the object dosnt' care ether or |
| 00:50.38 | Patlabor221 | yet it can can still do it's own thing |
| 00:51.03 | Patlabor221 | or somone could implement a set of 2d visables, and have the drawables do a 2d top down view |
| 00:51.26 | Patlabor221 | so kinda like plugin views |
| 00:53.02 | learner | interesting |
| 00:53.28 | Patlabor221 | or "beefyer" visibles for newer hardware |
| 00:53.37 | Patlabor221 | like with shaders and stuff :) |
| 00:54.20 | Patlabor221 | tho right now I am screwed cus there is allready a "mathutils.h" |
| 00:54.26 | Patlabor221 | and I added one :) |
| 00:55.06 | Patlabor221 | guess I just need a better name |
| 00:55.29 | Patlabor221 | guess it's more of a types file, then utils |
| 00:55.51 | Patlabor221 | what would you name smething that has vector and matrix classes |
| 00:56.13 | Patlabor221 | that do stuff like transforms, operators, and algebra? |
| 00:56.44 | Patlabor221 | hmm GeoUtils |
| 01:02.01 | learner | hrm, those are math routines too :) |
| 01:02.07 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:02.26 | Patlabor221 | when I need windows.h, is it proper to just include config.h? |
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| 01:02.57 | learner | Is that where it's included? |
| 01:03.07 | Patlabor221 | its in there ya |
| 01:03.21 | learner | bz would be common.h |
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| 01:03.40 | learner | but config.h works too |
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| 01:48.24 | learner | could I get a few folk to give me a latency check on 66.235.201.215 ? |
| 01:49.24 | Patlabor221 | is TimRikerFood what you feed TimRikers? |
| 01:49.34 | TimRiker | hopefully not. |
| 01:49.43 | learner | maybe it's when his kids chew on him a little |
| 01:49.49 | Patlabor221 | well they say you are what you eat |
| 01:49.54 | Patlabor221 | so maybe you eat what you are |
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| 01:57.42 | amathis | ja! |
| 01:57.46 | amathis | nein! |
| 02:00.38 | learner | amathis, what's your ping latency to that address? |
| 02:01.00 | amathis | why should I tell you :) |
| 02:01.44 | lan56 | because I will kill you otherwise :) |
| 02:01.53 | bryjen | --- 66.235.201.215 ping statistics --- 25 packets transmitted, 25 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 123.9/128.6/136.2 ms |
| 02:01.57 | Patlabor221 | vee have vays ov makink you ping! |
| 02:02.11 | learner | hehe |
| 02:02.15 | lan56 | (germa) |
| 02:02.17 | lan56 | (german) |
| 02:02.25 | learner | bryjen, where are you again? :) |
| 02:02.44 | bryjen | ~bryjen |
| 02:02.45 | ibot | well, bryjen is the owner of the KY,US server |
| 02:02.51 | learner | ty |
| 02:03.07 | Patlabor221 | 128ms |
| 02:03.11 | Patlabor221 | you suck dude :) |
| 02:03.13 | Patlabor221 | I had 10 |
| 02:03.20 | learner | hrmph.. not "spectacular" .. wonder if I could get set up in their canada office |
| 02:03.41 | bryjen | traceroutes 15 hops |
| 02:03.43 | lan56 | Pinging 66.235.201.215 with 32 bytes of data: |
| 02:03.43 | lan56 | Reply from 66.235.201.215: bytes=32 time=301ms TTL=54 |
| 02:03.43 | lan56 | Reply from 66.235.201.215: bytes=32 time=241ms TTL=54 |
| 02:03.44 | lan56 | Ping statistics for 66.235.201.215: |
| 02:03.48 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.50 | lan56 | Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: |
| 02:03.52 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.53 | learner | egads.. modem user |
| 02:03.56 | lan56 | 56k |
| 02:03.59 | lan56 | from CA |
| 02:04.00 | Patlabor221 | wow that's prety much the speed of your modem |
| 02:04.00 | lan56 | brb |
| 02:04.01 | blast007 | my average was 185ms (56k too) |
| 02:04.02 | Patlabor221 | cus he's closer |
| 02:04.35 | amathis | unless ping is acting up... |
| 02:04.41 | Patlabor221 | he should be like 4ms from the thing |
| 02:05.04 | PrezKennedy | Reply from 66.235.201.215: bytes=32 time=69ms TTL=47 |
| 02:05.04 | PrezKennedy | Reply from 66.235.201.215: bytes=32 time=70ms TTL=47 |
| 02:05.04 | PrezKennedy | Reply from 66.235.201.215: bytes=32 time=71ms TTL=47 |
| 02:05.04 | PrezKennedy | Reply from 66.235.201.215: bytes=32 time=69ms TTL=47 |
| 02:05.10 | amathis | --- 63.235.201.215 ping statistics --- |
| 02:05.10 | amathis | 36 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 02:05.10 | amathis | amathis@mecca:~$ |
| 02:05.22 | bryjen | ~nslookup 66.235.201.215 |
| 02:05.29 | learner | PrezKennedy: :P I _know_ what it is from here :) |
| 02:05.29 | Patlabor221 | amathis: wrong IP |
| 02:05.31 | blast007 | it's 66, not 63 ;) |
| 02:05.33 | Patlabor221 | you did 63 |
| 02:05.39 | amathis | >_< |
| 02:05.41 | PrezKennedy | im not there though |
| 02:05.45 | PrezKennedy | im at least 5 miles away! |
| 02:05.49 | learner | close enough |
| 02:05.54 | amathis | --- 66.235.201.215 ping statistics --- |
| 02:05.54 | amathis | 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 02:05.54 | amathis | round-trip min/avg/max = 82.9/84.6/87.8 ms |
| 02:05.54 | amathis | amathis@mecca:~$ |
| 02:05.56 | learner | heh |
| 02:05.56 | PrezKennedy | service could drop off horribly ;-) |
| 02:06.17 | amathis | cube is messed up :( |
| 02:06.50 | learner | well, that latency is a tiny strike against them .. i was hoping for fewer hops altogether |
| 02:06.59 | bryjen | 10 ms, Patlabor221 ? |
| 02:07.13 | Patlabor221 | 10 |
| 02:07.17 | Patlabor221 | once I got an 11 |
| 02:07.24 | bryjen | vlpb |
| 02:07.39 | Patlabor221 | it's also like 20 min from me |
| 02:07.49 | Patlabor221 | less probably by the wire |
| 02:08.03 | bryjen | well, obviously ;) |
| 02:09.22 | amathis | here here1 |
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| 02:10.00 | PrezKennedy | is this the new host you were talking about learner? or somethin else |
| 02:11.37 | learner | heh UT .. no! :) |
| 02:11.43 | learner | PrezKennedy, yes |
| 02:12.03 | Patlabor221 | this the new home of brlcad.org? |
| 02:12.29 | learner | perhaps, but probably not .. I have several others in need of a home, though |
| 02:12.42 | learner | bzflag.bz of particular relevance here |
| 02:12.46 | Patlabor221 | sounds like you are the servermister |
| 02:13.17 | learner | that would be Nid with his mini NOC in his living room |
| 02:13.30 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 02:13.47 | bryjen | he works in one, no? |
| 02:13.59 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:14.11 | Patlabor221 | he works at a hosting place |
| 02:14.22 | Patlabor221 | same place he hosts dragon and secretplace |
| 02:17.06 | learner | okay, how about this one 66.98.250.52 ? |
| 02:18.55 | blast007_ | average for me: 165ms |
| 02:19.19 | bryjen | round-trip min/avg/max = 90.7/95.3/103.3 ms ~15 hops |
| 02:19.51 | learner | ahh better for you too :) |
| 02:20.39 | Chewie[] | <sp3k> yes, cvs is giving me HEAD as we speak. |
| 02:20.39 | blast007_ | my ping to my gateway averages about 105ms I think |
| 02:20.50 | bryjen | hrmph. appears i'm 8 hops deep into adelphia's network |
| 02:21.10 | lan56 | back |
| 02:21.22 | blast007_ | wb lan56 :) |
| 02:21.28 | lan56 | what does "wb" mean? |
| 02:21.31 | learner | Patlabor221, how about for you? |
| 02:21.35 | learner | ~wb |
| 02:21.36 | ibot | It's great to be back! |
| 02:21.40 | lan56 | oh, heh, "welcome back" :) |
| 02:21.55 | lan56 | welcome back, welcome back, welcome back |
| 02:22.07 | blast007_ | hehe |
| 02:22.17 | amathis | ~ww |
| 02:22.19 | ibot | Was the window wrong or are you wrong? |
| 02:22.34 | lan56 | how come I see a lot of people type "ww" lately? |
| 02:23.01 | learner | you making fun of my modal irc client? |
| 02:23.15 | Patlabor221 | who what where? sorry I was working |
| 02:23.19 | Patlabor221 | what you want me to do? |
| 02:23.28 | learner | 66.98.250.52 |
| 02:23.48 | Patlabor221 | 80ms |
| 02:24.02 | learner | hrm.. interesting.. |
| 02:24.08 | amathis | 81.2 |
| 02:24.18 | learner | that's about average for the US .. might be a good one |
| 02:24.36 | learner | maybe canadian or ny or something |
| 02:25.04 | bryjen | texas |
| 02:25.32 | learner | NY according to site |
| 02:26.27 | bryjen | ah, my traceroute stopping working at gphou-66-98-241-125.ev1.net |
| 02:26.41 | blast007_ | ditto |
| 02:27.39 | learner | i don't seem to route through them |
| 02:27.48 | bryjen | ah -I for ICMP trace... |
| 02:28.21 | bryjen | ....show thats the last hop before dest |
| 02:29.49 | Patlabor221 | if I go crazy will you still call me superman? |
| 02:30.18 | bryjen | probly just CaptNoPants |
| 02:30.31 | Patlabor221 | close enough |
| 02:30.34 | Patlabor221 | thanks man |
| 02:30.41 | Patlabor221 | you are a true friend |
| 02:31.23 | bryjen | either that or, EeeeeekPutSomePantsOn |
| 02:31.47 | Patlabor221 | I think that one is taken so I'd be EeeeeekPutSomePantsOn_ |
| 02:31.54 | bryjen | and here's a lovely white jacket... |
| 02:32.04 | Patlabor221 | the arms look so nice |
| 02:32.15 | bryjen | :) |
| 02:32.49 | learner | indeed.. visual trace is ending up in TX |
| 02:33.05 | Patlabor221 | where is it suposed to be? |
| 02:33.19 | learner | *shrug* .. their headquarters is in NY |
| 02:33.23 | bryjen | well, theres *dllstx09* and *hstntx01* and the like |
| 02:33.31 | bryjen | oops, boldness |
| 02:33.44 | bryjen | so it was a guess |
| 02:34.08 | learner | only *bold* to you ;) |
| 02:34.20 | bryjen | ~colortest |
| 02:34.21 | ibot | 2c3o4l5o6r7t8e9s10t |
| 02:34.24 | Patlabor221 | yay ebay software done |
| 02:34.36 | Patlabor221 | back to the teleporters :) |
| 02:34.55 | bryjen | seems most of my traffic passes thru *.dfw91.adelphiacom.net |
| 02:35.26 | bryjen | the colors, the colors! |
| 02:36.16 | PrezKennedy | 0' the humanity! |
| 02:50.07 | learner | dagnabit! .. those guys don't allow IRC :( |
| 02:50.45 | learner | but their customer support sounded superb |
| 02:51.03 | learner | damn. /me pouts |
| 02:51.37 | learner | mm.. wet |
| 02:51.54 | JBdiGriz | I should have used dry water? |
| 02:52.21 | learner | I would have appreciated that more ;) |
| 02:52.57 | lan56 | how do I make a laser world weapon shoot along a box? |
| 02:53.07 | lan56 | world weapons don't allow size settings |
| 02:53.19 | learner | gah, and i lost the link for the host that guaranteed 100% uptime |
| 02:56.01 | lan56 | any news on allowing /poll selections to be selected using a "hunt" type style? |
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| 03:01.52 | trepan | lan56: sizes for world weapons, huh? |
| 03:01.59 | lan56 | yup |
| 03:02.08 | trepan | what are you talking about? |
| 03:02.13 | lan56 | like I saw you shot a laser WW in the shape of a heart |
| 03:02.27 | lan56 | WW declarations only allow position, type, etc... but no size |
| 03:02.37 | trepan | you mean the spiral laser thingy? |
| 03:02.41 | lan56 | yes |
| 03:02.49 | trepan | i ricochet it using pyramids |
| 03:03.16 | lan56 | well, then how does "fountain.map" limit the length of the laser shot? |
| 03:03.20 | trepan | and then control the length with _laserAdVel |
| 03:03.27 | lan56 | ahh |
| 03:03.32 | learner | 209.123.186.218 ping times? |
| 03:04.18 | lan56 | Pinging 209.123.186.218 with 32 bytes of data: |
| 03:04.19 | lan56 | Reply from 209.123.186.218: bytes=32 time=335ms TTL=5 |
| 03:04.19 | lan56 | Reply from 209.123.186.218: bytes=32 time=294ms TTL=5 |
| 03:04.19 | lan56 | Reply from 209.123.186.218: bytes=32 time=313ms TTL=5 |
| 03:04.19 | lan56 | Reply from 209.123.186.218: bytes=32 time=311ms TTL=5 |
| 03:04.19 | lan56 | Ping statistics for 209.123.186.218: |
| 03:04.21 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.23 | lan56 | Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: |
| 03:04.25 | lan56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.26 | learner | lan56 you don't count :P |
| 03:04.32 | lan56 | how so? |
| 03:04.48 | learner | your times are capped by your modem line speed already |
| 03:04.58 | lan56 | alright fine :( |
| 03:05.11 | lan56 | ;) |
| 03:05.14 | learner | they'll always be in the 300's until you find something that's > 300 :) |
| 03:05.29 | Patlabor221 | yyeah your ping to your gateway is probably like 280 |
| 03:05.39 | Patlabor221 | do an ipconfig and ping the ip that is your gateway |
| 03:05.43 | Patlabor221 | see what those pings are |
| 03:05.52 | Patlabor221 | that's the fastest you can go |
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| 03:07.01 | Patlabor221 | can you cook soup in it's own can, or am I just too damned lazy? |
| 03:07.10 | lan56 | you're just too damned lazy |
| 03:07.15 | Patlabor221 | damn |
| 03:07.16 | trepan | Patlabor221: i applaud the thought, go for it |
| 03:07.23 | lan56 | barly any heat enters the can that way |
| 03:07.29 | lan56 | unless the lid is open |
| 03:07.36 | Patlabor221 | lid will be open |
| 03:07.43 | lan56 | I suppose, but it might take longer |
| 03:07.52 | trepan | Patlabor221: it'll be like camping |
| 03:08.07 | lan56 | except with microwaves, not fire |
| 03:08.11 | trepan | probably works better if it's got a tomato base |
| 03:08.24 | trepan | mmm, chef boyardee |
| 03:08.57 | learner | Patlabor221: of course you can..I do it frequently :) |
| 03:12.57 | Patlabor221 | I think it wokjred |
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| 03:13.53 | bryjen | erhm, microwaving a _metal_ can may not be a good idea, lan56 |
| 03:14.07 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:14.09 | Patlabor221 | I used real fire |
| 03:14.12 | bryjen | use the stove. fire good! |
| 03:14.12 | Patlabor221 | fire good |
| 03:14.16 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 03:14.16 | bryjen | heh |
| 03:14.19 | lan56 | but then again I want it to be dangerous, look who's cooking ;) |
| 03:14.34 | Patlabor221 | you want me dead? |
| 03:14.45 | lan56 | no, I am just kidding around :) |
| 03:14.56 | bryjen | oh, the speghetti-ohs! everywhere! |
| 03:15.03 | Patlabor221 | ibot sorboslap lan56 |
| 03:15.15 | ibot | ACTION assails lan56 with Kevin Sorbo's sense of self-satisfaction |
| 03:15.15 | lan56 | hah |
| 03:15.18 | lan56 | :( |
| 03:15.21 | bryjen | !lart lan56 |
| 03:15.21 | lan56 | aww |
| 03:15.24 | Patlabor221 | he was taking aim |
| 03:15.29 | lan56 | lol |
| 03:16.14 | learner | bryjen/Pat: might i bother for ping times? |
| 03:16.14 | Patlabor221 | the unfortonate fact is that I have goten season one of andromeda and have been watching sorbo sci-fi |
| 03:16.16 | Patlabor221 | sure gimme the ip |
| 03:16.22 | learner | 209.123.186.218 |
| 03:16.35 | learner | this one is looking good to me.. |
| 03:16.52 | Patlabor221 | 77ms |
| 03:16.53 | learner | no restrictions on use .. my own ping is around 30 |
| 03:16.57 | bryjen | 78.3/84.1/94.6 ms |
| 03:17.21 | Patlabor221 | I got 77,78,77 |
| 03:17.23 | learner | danka gents |
| 03:19.01 | bryjen | !lart 4 lan56 |
| 03:19.02 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (SpawnPosition.cxx WorldInfo.cxx WorldInfo.h bzfs.cxx): caught a couple of NULL derenferences |
| 03:19.14 | Patlabor221 | she has more then one lart? |
| 03:19.19 | Patlabor221 | whooot!!! |
| 03:19.23 | lan56 | !lart everybody |
| 03:19.24 | bryjen | a few |
| 03:20.13 | lan56 | the steroids are paying off |
| 03:21.20 | lan56 | patlabor221: ever stolen a pack of beer? |
| 03:21.39 | Patlabor221 | not that I can remember |
| 03:21.52 | lan56 | neither have i |
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| 03:22.08 | Patlabor221 | generaly I only steal things that 1) people don't need, 2) people won't miss, or 3) people can't prove they ever had |
| 03:22.10 | learner | yay, MeBigFatGuy |
| 03:22.29 | lan56 | you're lame :) |
| 03:22.57 | Patlabor221 | there is a difrence between a theif and a burgler |
| 03:22.58 | MeBigFatGuy | heya learner |
| 03:23.11 | MeBigFatGuy | white collar, blue collar? |
| 03:23.15 | lan56 | what is the difference? |
| 03:23.31 | lan56 | a burgler breaks into a place and then steals? |
| 03:23.35 | learner | MeBigFatGuy: good one |
| 03:23.38 | lan56 | a theif just plainly steals? |
| 03:24.04 | Patlabor221 | all depends on the reasons for taking things |
| 03:24.41 | bryjen | ~dict burglary |
| 03:24.51 | lan56 | exactly what I said |
| 03:24.56 | lan56 | !dict thief |
| 03:24.58 | guu | lan56: web1913 and wn responded: wn: thief n : a criminal who takes property belonging to someone else with the intention of keeping it or selling it [syn: {stealer}] [also: {thieves} (pl)]; web1913: Waster \Wast"er\, n. [OE. wastour, OF. wasteor, gasteor. See {Waste}, v. t.] 1. One who, or that which, wastes; one who squanders; one who consumes or expends (5 more messages) |
| 03:25.06 | lan56 | exactly the same thing I said |
| 03:25.22 | Patlabor221 | what ever floats your boat |
| 03:25.28 | lan56 | water does |
| 03:25.48 | Patlabor221 | boats can float on many a fluid |
| 03:26.01 | lan56 | but why he was...? |
| 03:26.12 | lan56 | oh, I get it :) |
| 03:26.12 | learner | trepan, gently down a stream? |
| 03:26.34 | lan56 | I've never stolen anything in my life that I could get criminal detention for |
| 03:26.44 | trepan | learner: yup, until i hit white water and the damned thing capsized |
| 03:27.09 | lan56 | around here, there is so much crime that stealing a small candy bar for example is normal |
| 03:27.28 | Patlabor221 | mmm good song |
| 03:28.14 | Patlabor221 | so it's ok to be "just like everyone else" even if it's criminal? |
| 03:28.40 | Patlabor221 | how are the horsies MeBigFatGuy |
| 03:29.10 | MeBigFatGuy | ok, i spose |
| 03:29.16 | lan56 | even kids steal candy bars, perfectly normal thing, but it's not the greatest thing |
| 03:29.22 | Patlabor221 | and now that you have used it for a while how do you like VC7.1 over 6? |
| 03:29.39 | MeBigFatGuy | i liked 7.1 the first day i tried it |
| 03:29.45 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 03:29.56 | Patlabor221 | we're geting the betas for 2k5 now in msdn |
| 03:30.01 | Patlabor221 | haven't installed it yet |
| 03:30.25 | MeBigFatGuy | me neither |
| 03:30.29 | Patlabor221 | whoot 127 link errors! |
| 03:30.31 | Patlabor221 | I am the man |
| 03:31.07 | MeBigFatGuy | firestarter? |
| 03:31.12 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 03:31.21 | Patlabor221 | common |
| 03:32.08 | Patlabor221 | firestarter is deadish cus I can't really find help |
| 03:32.27 | MeBigFatGuy | bummer |
| 03:32.36 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 03:32.39 | MeBigFatGuy | i was lookin forward to playin |
| 03:32.48 | lan56 | since you give up on it, how about you still do everything you wanted to do but instead do it to bzflag? |
| 03:32.48 | Patlabor221 | and it was like network playishable |
| 03:32.58 | MeBigFatGuy | hahahahahahaha |
| 03:33.14 | lan56 | I read a lot, just not on all the time |
| 03:33.18 | Patlabor221 | don't laugh MeBigFatGuy |
| 03:33.25 | Patlabor221 | he's righter then you think |
| 03:33.28 | lan56 | like today, this is my first time on here today |
| 03:33.43 | lan56 | no, that's not possible that I am correct |
| 03:33.45 | lan56 | :) |
| 03:33.57 | Patlabor221 | MeBigFatGuy: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=991681&group_id=1&atid=647949 |
| 03:34.32 | trepan | wow, the ground texture shaking is horrible on Test Playground I |
| 03:34.33 | Patlabor221 | t-10 days |
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| 03:35.23 | Patlabor221 | or MeBigFatGuy if you want something that loads faster, http://www.opencombat.net/mission.txt |
| 03:36.32 | MeBigFatGuy | hmmm |
| 03:37.56 | amathis | any children here say I |
| 03:38.11 | lan56 | children how old? |
| 03:38.47 | purple_cow | hehe, MeBigFatGuy pushes that number up a bit :) |
| 03:39.01 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/ (src/bzflag/ControlPanel.cxx win32/VC71/game.vcproj): start to dig out from under all the changes |
| 03:39.01 | MeBigFatGuy | MrsMeBigFatGuy says i'm a kid |
| 03:39.03 | amathis | http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7875/SinglesAdCambridge20-07-2003.jpg <-- dont be mad at me,,, it is hilarious. |
| 03:39.18 | purple_cow | MeBigFatGuy: don't lie. we all know it's true |
| 03:40.08 | lan56 | lol at that link |
| 03:40.25 | lan56 | although, it is mispelled :) |
| 03:42.51 | MeBigFatGuy | so is bzfs supposed to link in obstacle now? |
| 03:43.05 | Patlabor221 | yeah for spawn on spawn action |
| 03:43.11 | MeBigFatGuy | k |
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| 03:44.29 | Patlabor221 | ahh so good to be down to 2 warnings :) |
| 03:44.38 | Noodleman_ | heh |
| 03:44.58 | MeBigFatGuy | bzfs linkes game as well? |
| 03:45.12 | Patlabor221 | probably |
| 03:45.13 | trepan | yup |
| 03:45.26 | Patlabor221 | that "compartemenatlise it" dealy |
| 03:45.35 | Noodleman_ | heh |
| 03:45.38 | trepan | and Net and Common, to finish off the list |
| 03:45.46 | Noodleman_ | this little yappy dog was barking at me |
| 03:45.49 | MeBigFatGuy | k |
| 03:45.55 | Noodleman_ | so i cussed at him in klingon |
| 03:45.58 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/bzflag.sln: start to dig out from under all the changes |
| 03:46.02 | Noodleman_ | made him mad |
| 03:46.46 | trepan | MeBigFatGuy: also notice that there is now a libObstacleGL.a in *nix land, but that may not affect you at all if you never intend on doing non-client builds |
| 03:46.57 | Patlabor221 | DAMNIT |
| 03:47.10 | Patlabor221 | there allready is a ViewFrustum class |
| 03:47.25 | trepan | yup |
| 03:47.31 | Patlabor221 | GLViewFrustum here we come |
| 03:47.48 | trepan | how about ViewFrustumGL, keeps em closer togethr |
| 03:47.59 | Patlabor221 | they are in difrent libs allready |
| 03:48.08 | trepan | ah |
| 03:48.14 | Patlabor221 | but tis a better name |
| 03:48.47 | Patlabor221 | this one has GL, it's derived from a nonGL one in geoutils |
| 03:49.11 | Patlabor221 | one that isn't nesiarialy a view |
| 03:49.16 | Patlabor221 | but any kind of frustum |
| 03:52.21 | MeBigFatGuy | frutratum |
| 03:52.25 | MeBigFatGuy | er, frustratum |
| 03:52.35 | learner | il frustrati? |
| 03:53.05 | Patlabor221 | from the latin frustria, meaning "pissy" |
| 03:54.02 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): start to dig out from under all the changes |
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| 03:56.09 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/game.vcproj: digout complete |
| 03:59.04 | learner | Current leading provider: http://www.jetstreamhosting.com/dedicated_freebsd_lite.php |
| 03:59.26 | MeBigFatGuy | alright what mac guy foobared the windows font loading :) |
| 03:59.46 | Patlabor221 | what we just made it text |
| 03:59.50 | learner | haven't touched code since sunday :) |
| 04:00.24 | MeBigFatGuy | media_dir is now c:documents and settingsmy documentsmy bzflag |
| 04:00.32 | MeBigFatGuy | who stole my slashes? |
| 04:00.43 | Patlabor221 | wot? |
| 04:00.48 | learner | heh |
| 04:00.49 | Patlabor221 | ummm |
| 04:00.50 | Patlabor221 | opps |
| 04:01.01 | Patlabor221 | it should be making them / |
| 04:01.03 | Patlabor221 | unixy |
| 04:01.08 | Patlabor221 | that stuff worked for me |
| 04:01.14 | MeBigFatGuy | set directory "c:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\open_source\bzflag\data" |
| 04:01.16 | Patlabor221 | unless he boosted it |
| 04:01.21 | MeBigFatGuy | in bzflag19.bzc |
| 04:01.29 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 04:01.30 | Patlabor221 | hmm |
| 04:01.36 | MeBigFatGuy | prolly need \\ |
| 04:01.37 | Patlabor221 | never tried the "set" |
| 04:01.50 | Patlabor221 | you shuldn't need them in a text file |
| 04:01.53 | Patlabor221 | thats only for code |
| 04:01.57 | Patlabor221 | the font system uses OS file |
| 04:02.06 | Patlabor221 | so it wants it all in 'nix' paths |
| 04:02.13 | Patlabor221 | but the code is suposed to convert |
| 04:04.08 | MeBigFatGuy | readValue is stripping them |
| 04:04.16 | MeBigFatGuy | in CommandManager |
| 04:05.53 | Patlabor221 | sux |
| 04:05.59 | Patlabor221 | try unix / |
| 04:06.00 | MeBigFatGuy | actually readQuoted |
| 04:06.26 | MeBigFatGuy | i didn't put it in there, 'it' did it |
| 04:06.53 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 04:06.56 | Patlabor221 | well crud |
| 04:07.34 | MeBigFatGuy | yes readQuoted sees |
| 04:07.41 | MeBigFatGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.45 | MeBigFatGuy | and looks at the next character |
| 04:07.55 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 04:08.06 | MeBigFatGuy | so the entry needs |
| 04:08.08 | MeBigFatGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.28 | Patlabor221 | that seems stupid |
| 04:08.32 | Patlabor221 | what would it need to escape to? |
| 04:08.47 | MeBigFatGuy | ah, doesn't matter -- no problem |
| 04:08.53 | MeBigFatGuy | people will be fine with it |
| 04:08.54 | Patlabor221 | I'm working in a branch :) |
| 04:08.59 | Nidhoggr | whee |
| 04:09.03 | Patlabor221 | works in mine :) |
| 04:09.19 | MeBigFatGuy | it looks for t,n,r,\," |
| 04:09.25 | Patlabor221 | in mine "somone" has allmost goten all the warnings out |
| 04:09.39 | MeBigFatGuy | the infamous somebody? |
| 04:09.53 | Patlabor221 | seems to have a long lineage |
| 04:09.57 | MeBigFatGuy | yup |
| 04:10.17 | Patlabor221 | but those code changes can't go into the mainline |
| 04:10.21 | Patlabor221 | they remove to much |
| 04:10.30 | Patlabor221 | like "blending" |
| 04:10.30 | Patlabor221 | "shadows" |
| 04:10.40 | Patlabor221 | "z buffer" |
| 04:16.45 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: ws |
| 04:17.42 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): remove sstream include from common.h and include it in those few files which actually use it |
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| 04:21.54 | learner | guu: slashdot |
| 04:21.55 | guu | learner: Apple, Motorola Plan An iTunes-Friendly Phone || Kevin Rose Load Tests Gmail || Maybe Software Patents Won't Kill FOSS After All || Visiting Every Latitude and Longitude Intersection || Microsoft Longhorn To Support HD DVD Format || Seagate Ups Drive Warranties To 5 Years || TiVo Bug Shuts Out Many Series 1 TiVo Owners? || Mini PC Grows Up? Shuttle XPC Reviewed || (1 more message) |
| 04:22.52 | TimRiker | so the new spawn stuff is working? |
| 04:22.57 | trepan | DTRemenak: ya just had to go and touch common.h, there goes another 5 minutes of my life ;) |
| 04:23.08 | DTRemenak | trepan: I'm about to do it again :) |
| 04:23.18 | trepan | DTRemenak: thx for the heads up |
| 04:23.34 | trepan | TimRiker: works well, cleaned up a bunch of code too |
| 04:23.37 | DTRemenak | there's a set of includes in common that got shoved there when the textutils stuff was in common, and never got taken out |
| 04:23.59 | trepan | brings it one step closer to a common game library |
| 04:27.38 | learner | yay for common game library |
| 04:27.58 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 04:28.26 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (include/TextUtils.h include/common.h src/common/bzfio.cxx): remove stdarg.h include from common.h and include it in those few files which actually use it |
| 04:28.50 | trepan | DTRemenak: safe to go in the pool now? |
| 04:29.01 | DTRemenak | yeah, I'm done for tonight :) |
| 04:29.10 | Nidhoggr | there are sharks in the pool :) |
| 04:29.42 | learner | sharks taste yummy |
| 04:31.00 | Nidhoggr | mmm. shark fin soup. |
| 04:31.09 | DTRemenak | anyone know what bzfio is really for? comment says "Include c++ iostream" but we have lots of files that include <iostream> directly |
| 04:31.31 | DTRemenak | debug stuff? |
| 04:35.53 | learner | probably someone trying to define the printf vs iostream output mechanism long time ago |
| 04:36.43 | DTRemenak | I would reorganize it a bit, but your logging stuff is prolly gonna change it all around anyway...no point in making conflicts |
| 04:37.20 | MacLinux | learner, i updated my xcode dev tools to 1.2, downloaded the latest cvs, and compiled with gcc from scratch after running ./autogen.sh , and am still getting the same error |
| 04:41.57 | MacLinux | is there anything else i can to do try and make it work? |
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| 04:45.24 | learner | MacLinux: ugh |
| 04:45.46 | learner | apologies on the mostly wasted time then |
| 04:45.57 | learner | would you send me a build log? |
| 04:46.57 | learner | MacLinux: another thing you can try is the other installed gcc compiler |
| 04:47.41 | learner | What is gcc_select set to? |
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| 04:50.38 | learner | heh DTRemenak broke the mac build.. |
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| 05:15.02 | learner | howdy? |
| 05:15.12 | MacLinux | learner, ok how should i send it to you? |
| 05:15.34 | learner | MacLinux, what's your gcc_select set to? |
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