| 00:02.30 | *** join/#bzflag CIA-2 (~CIA@to.je.spocco.com) |
| 00:04.29 | shorty114 | ~viper |
| 00:04.30 | ibot | viper is probably a serpent |
| 00:04.41 | shorty114 | ~viper.pimpi.org |
| 00:05.24 | Patlabor221 | just do the query |
| 00:05.52 | Patlabor221 | ibot viper.pimpi.org is see bzfsquery viper.pimpi.org |
| 00:05.53 | ibot | okay, Patlabor221 |
| 00:06.09 | Patlabor221 | ibot viper.pimpi.org |
| 00:06.10 | ibot | somebody said viper.pimpi.org was see bzfsquery viper.pimpi.org |
| 00:06.14 | Tupone | DTRemenak: no real problem, just had to automake |
| 00:06.22 | DTRemenak | Tupone: cool |
| 00:06.24 | Patlabor221 | ibot forget viper.pimpi.org |
| 00:06.24 | ibot | i forgot viper.pimpi.org, Patlabor221 |
| 00:08.08 | CIA-2 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10worldtest/_test/data/ (grass.tga rock.tga): add bzflag texures |
| 00:08.15 | shorty114 | ~bzfsquery viper.pimpi.org |
| 00:08.23 | shorty114 | i think it's down |
| 00:08.36 | shorty114 | ~bzfsquery bzflag.grassrootsportal.net |
| 00:08.41 | CIA-2 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10worldtest/openCombatTerainTest/ (4 files): fun with drawing field geo out of "invalid" geometry |
| 00:08.56 | shorty114 | Patlabor |
| 00:09.03 | shorty114 | for the opencombat icon |
| 00:09.05 | Patlabor221 | shorty114, |
| 00:09.17 | shorty114 | can i just send you 32x32, 16x16, etc. pngs? |
| 00:09.24 | shorty114 | so you can make windows icons? |
| 00:09.28 | shorty114 | i can make osx icnos |
| 00:09.38 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 00:09.41 | shorty114 | ok |
| 00:09.45 | Patlabor221 | got a sample before you do all that work tho? |
| 00:09.50 | shorty114 | no |
| 00:09.52 | shorty114 | just wondering |
| 00:09.53 | shorty114 | cuz |
| 00:10.00 | shorty114 | if i do and you can't, boom |
| 00:10.23 | Patlabor221 | anything can be converted |
| 00:10.27 | Patlabor221 | by the power of voltron |
| 00:10.48 | shorty114 | ooookay... |
| 00:12.39 | Patlabor221 | never understimate the power of the defender of the entire universe |
| 00:12.48 | Patlabor221 | or someone who has lion heads for hands. |
| 00:15.45 | shorty114 | bye bye |
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| 00:36.03 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
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| 00:36.19 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
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| 00:50.45 | shorty114 | heh CIA problems |
| 00:51.12 | shorty114 | !help |
| 00:51.13 | guu | shorty114: (help [<plugin>] <command>) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 00:51.18 | shorty114 | !help join |
| 00:51.19 | guu | shorty114: (join <channel>[,<key>] [<channel>[,<key>] ...]) -- Tell the bot to join the whitespace-separated list of channels you give it. If a channel requires a key, attach it behind the channel name via a comma. I.e., if you need to join both #a and #b, and #a requires a key of 'aRocks', then you'd call 'join #a,aRocks #b' |
| 00:51.30 | shorty114 | !join #shorty114 |
| 00:51.37 | shorty114 | heh |
| 00:51.46 | shorty114 | ~+chan #shorty114 |
| 00:59.17 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (bryjen@69-166-140-167.clvdoh.adelphia.net) |
| 01:00.49 | Patlabor221 | she won't join unless I tell her to |
| 01:01.20 | bryjen | egads, 11mb for debug/profile enabled bzfs |
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| 01:03.39 | Patlabor221 | sad, man really sad |
| 01:03.45 | shorty114 | what? |
| 01:03.49 | shorty114 | amathis put -m |
| 01:03.58 | Patlabor221 | modes for the joy of modes |
| 01:04.06 | shorty114 | i set it back to +m |
| 01:04.16 | Patlabor221 | hey what ever floats your boat |
| 01:04.27 | amathis | huh? |
| 01:04.28 | amathis | what? |
| 01:04.50 | Patlabor221 | guu is designed to help with projects, I don't really see that chanel as being tied to a real project, but more of a place for you to hang out. |
| 01:05.20 | shorty114 | Project shorty114...;) |
| 01:05.32 | Patlabor221 | dude, don't pull that |
| 01:05.49 | Patlabor221 | describe your project with out using the words "what ever you want" |
| 01:07.45 | bryjen | oop. i need a newer client here :( |
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| 01:09.50 | bryjen | Patlabor221: use the i486 |
| 01:10.14 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 01:10.42 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 01:10.43 | bryjen | so compile on a 486 |
| 01:10.44 | Patlabor221 | probably |
| 01:10.50 | Patlabor221 | all I have is a P80 |
| 01:10.58 | bryjen | close 'nuff |
| 01:10.59 | bryjen | ;) |
| 01:11.11 | Patlabor221 | it used to be a 486dx2 66 but then it got the pentium ODP |
| 01:11.42 | bryjen | ooo, smokin'. I was thinking 80 wasn't a standard mhz |
| 01:11.50 | Patlabor221 | it wasn't |
| 01:11.56 | Patlabor221 | it was an underclocked p90 |
| 01:12.04 | Patlabor221 | one of those overdrive things |
| 01:12.12 | Patlabor221 | put a Pentium in a 486 socket |
| 01:12.34 | Patlabor221 | so know how to subdivide a surface? |
| 01:12.49 | Patlabor221 | a very simple surface |
| 01:12.59 | Patlabor221 | all the edges are lines |
| 01:16.34 | Patlabor221 | nor I |
| 01:16.41 | Patlabor221 | at least not on subdivision |
| 01:16.48 | Patlabor221 | tho it should probably be easy since it's all lines |
| 01:16.55 | Patlabor221 | and convex in 2d |
| 01:27.21 | bryjen | ok. client ready. testors? |
| 01:27.35 | Patlabor221 | I can |
| 01:27.40 | Patlabor221 | debug build just finished |
| 01:28.02 | bryjen | server started bryjen.bzflag.org:5158 |
| 01:28.04 | Patlabor221 | bloody hell, more warnings |
| 01:28.54 | Patlabor221 | bahh it didn't build |
| 01:28.55 | Patlabor221 | one sec |
| 01:29.30 | trepan | Patlabor221: what kind of surfaces? |
| 01:29.52 | Patlabor221 | my own tripy kind of surfaces |
| 01:30.08 | trepan | you can do an easy grid/heightmap subdivision |
| 01:30.27 | Patlabor221 | it's allways convex, edges are lines |
| 01:30.32 | Patlabor221 | just not planar |
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| 01:31.08 | Patlabor221 | ooo look at bz crash |
| 01:31.57 | trepan | how is it represented though? are you doing polynomial approxs? you just trying to smooth out an existing set of vertices... need more info ;) |
| 01:32.06 | Patlabor221 | should not " charascii; |
| 01:32.06 | Patlabor221 | " in bzfevent.h be an unsigned char |
| 01:32.18 | Patlabor221 | I got a list of verts |
| 01:32.27 | Patlabor221 | and some computed normals |
| 01:32.45 | trepan | and you want more verts to smooth it out more? |
| 01:32.47 | Patlabor221 | and trying to render it smother, and also do a projection on it |
| 01:32.49 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:33.39 | trepan | ah, assuming triangles, split each edges with a new vertex |
| 01:33.51 | trepan | that should give you 4 tris where you had 1 |
| 01:33.51 | Patlabor221 | there are N edges |
| 01:34.15 | trepan | then use a polynomial approx to find the location for the new verts |
| 01:34.23 | trepan | then redo the normal smoothing |
| 01:34.35 | trepan | curve fitting |
| 01:34.42 | Patlabor221 | did key manager change at all recently? |
| 01:34.45 | Patlabor221 | cus it's all busted up |
| 01:35.13 | Patlabor221 | it's passing negitive values to ispace and that's bad |
| 01:36.03 | trepan | if you've got polygonal faces, then i might suggest first running a pass to convert them into triangles using a vertex at the mean of the vertices along the face plane |
| 01:36.09 | trepan | then run the triangle splitter |
| 01:37.05 | trepan | the 'polygonal mean' vertex should also be adjusted along the plane normal |
| 01:41.13 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/common/KeyManager.cxx: don't let negitive values into isspace, it makes baby jesus cry. |
| 01:41.21 | shorty114 | and patlabor: i haven't tried to run supybot |
| 01:41.41 | Patlabor221 | well you gave up after 5 min on blootbot |
| 01:41.56 | shorty114 | nah my perl wasn't working |
| 01:41.58 | shorty114 | i had to |
| 01:42.04 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/common/PositionTracker.cxx: warnings |
| 01:42.09 | Patlabor221 | no, you could have fixed it |
| 01:42.12 | Patlabor221 | but you gave up |
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| 01:44.37 | shorty114 | yay supybot worked! |
| 01:44.48 | shorty114 | somebot help |
| 01:44.48 | somebot | shorty114: (help [<plugin>] <command>) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 01:44.53 | Patlabor221 | don't bring it here |
| 01:44.55 | shorty114 | ok |
| 01:45.01 | Patlabor221 | take it to your channel or botpark |
| 01:45.19 | shorty114 | happy? ;) |
| 01:45.36 | Patlabor221 | this chanel isn't for playing around |
| 01:46.15 | Patlabor221 | and I don't think you get that |
| 01:46.21 | bryjen | ah. it creates the file on exit. |
| 01:47.03 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 01:47.24 | bryjen | and the file is tiny |
| 01:47.30 | DTRemenak | yeah, it's just usage data |
| 01:47.40 | Patlabor221 | that was some serious lag |
| 01:47.46 | DTRemenak | list of functions with the # of times called and amount of CPU time eaten |
| 01:47.57 | bryjen | chat messages and joins seem to peg the CPU |
| 01:48.10 | Patlabor221 | the filters? |
| 01:48.24 | bryjen | we shall see |
| 01:48.44 | learner | chat for sure with filtering enabled |
| 01:49.09 | learner | server-side that is |
| 01:49.37 | DTRemenak | learner: server messages are filtered? |
| 01:50.06 | learner | all chat messages are filtered |
| 01:50.06 | DTRemenak | lagstats and clientquery both kill it |
| 01:50.18 | DTRemenak | incoming or outgoing? |
| 01:50.26 | learner | outgoing |
| 01:50.34 | DTRemenak | hm, why not incoming? |
| 01:50.57 | trepan | cause you can offend bzfs, just not the people attached to it ;) |
| 01:51.07 | learner | that should work too |
| 01:51.19 | learner | just dont' need both, obviously |
| 01:51.23 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:51.36 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/ (BZFlag_high_res.nsi SDL_BZFlag.nsi): update installers to actualy install the fonts dir |
| 01:51.48 | learner | inbound might actually work better |
| 01:51.53 | DTRemenak | bryjen: did you have filterCallsigns on too? |
| 01:52.05 | DTRemenak | 'cause that might explain some of the join lagginess |
| 01:52.20 | bryjen | i believe so |
| 01:52.37 | learner | since inbound will still catch commands like /me says sh!t /msg blah blah .. which were problematic |
| 01:52.39 | DTRemenak | well, the profile log should give us some more solid answers anyway |
| 01:52.40 | bryjen | any special requests for gprof options? |
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| 01:53.31 | learner | that log N thing from earlier was #1 when tupone profiled earlier |
| 01:53.47 | learner | that fix made it go from 10% cpu to 0.05% |
| 01:54.06 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (lan56@dialup-4.233.23.63.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net) |
| 01:54.24 | The_Viper | Can anyone help...anyone know any tips to get less skippy gameplay, i got a mx440, tried messing with moniter settings and stuff. |
| 01:54.36 | DTRemenak | The_Viper: latest drivers? |
| 01:54.39 | The_Viper | lol had it running good a while back. |
| 01:54.42 | Patlabor221 | and what OS? |
| 01:54.48 | The_Viper | xp |
| 01:55.02 | Patlabor221 | what drivers? |
| 01:55.07 | trepan | turn off textures/lighting/shadows |
| 01:55.19 | Patlabor221 | he shoun't have to on a MX |
| 01:55.35 | The_Viper | yea lighting dose it, but it looks crappy. |
| 01:55.41 | The_Viper | had it running good before. |
| 01:55.42 | Patlabor221 | what drivers? |
| 01:55.50 | Patlabor221 | the ones that came with XP? |
| 01:55.56 | The_Viper | no |
| 01:56.02 | The_Viper | i updated when you helped me. |
| 01:56.05 | The_Viper | before. |
| 01:56.21 | Patlabor221 | got any other apps running in the background |
| 01:56.27 | Patlabor221 | like spyware/adware? |
| 01:56.58 | The_Viper | nope...clean comp today. and just checked prossesis |
| 01:57.07 | bryjen | http://bryjen.bzflag.org/bzfs-1.11.10.20040824-profile.txt |
| 01:57.25 | Patlabor221 | well you can allways update drivers again, maybe something got replaced |
| 01:57.31 | The_Viper | ok |
| 01:57.35 | Patlabor221 | you have current directX? |
| 01:57.39 | The_Viper | yea |
| 01:57.48 | Patlabor221 | 9.0c? |
| 01:58.15 | The_Viper | i got it last time..ill redownload it. and see what that dose. |
| 01:58.23 | MeBigFatGuy | sfsnap@babylonia.flatirons.org seems to be ill, anyone have an address where i can send flowers? |
| 01:58.39 | Patlabor221 | you didn't accedentaly install the drivers that are in windows update did you? |
| 01:58.47 | The_Viper | installing now |
| 01:58.58 | Patlabor221 | cus the driver in windows update sucks |
| 01:59.00 | The_Viper | i hope not. |
| 01:59.09 | The_Viper | my dad may have. |
| 01:59.38 | bryjen | sorry DTRemenak , should've warned you, the gprof output is 4.8M |
| 01:59.47 | DTRemenak | eh, doesn't matter |
| 02:00.00 | learner | MeBigFatGuy: hehe |
| 02:00.15 | DTRemenak | although I did wonder why it was still loading :) |
| 02:00.39 | learner | DTRemenak: the app will generally run impressively much slower with profiling too ;) |
| 02:00.50 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 02:00.56 | bryjen | the captured data file was only 431k |
| 02:01.02 | MeBigFatGuy | impressively slower -- hehe -- me tries to google-wack with that |
| 02:01.05 | learner | specifically with gprof, that is |
| 02:01.24 | learner | heh |
| 02:01.41 | MeBigFatGuy | bah > 11000 |
| 02:01.44 | trepan | learner: i've been running bzflag lately with profiling enabled, it is much better these days (at least with gcc-3.[34] |
| 02:02.45 | learner | it's not much slower than with debug enabled, but to get useful stats you usually need -g -pg and no more than -O (if even that) |
| 02:02.47 | MeBigFatGuy | ibot, wacking |
| 02:02.48 | ibot | MeBigFatGuy: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:03.00 | bryjen | gcc 3.2.2 / glibc 2.3.1 here |
| 02:03.01 | MeBigFatGuy | ibot, google wacking |
| 02:03.11 | learner | hehe |
| 02:03.14 | MeBigFatGuy | bah |
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| 02:03.17 | trepan | that's the default for --enable-profiling in BZ, isn't it? |
| 02:03.38 | learner | *shrug* |
| 02:03.48 | The_Viper | directx didn't affect...ill try reinstalling the nivida drivers |
| 02:04.10 | MeBigFatGuy | ibot, google wacking |
| 02:04.39 | bryjen | ibot, wack MeBigFatGuy |
| 02:04.40 | ibot | bryjen: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 02:05.31 | MeBigFatGuy | ibot is impressively stupid this evening |
| 02:05.32 | ibot | i don't know, MeBigFatGuy |
| 02:05.59 | bryjen | !lart MeBigFatGuy |
| 02:06.26 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 02:07.35 | bryjen | lame |
| 02:07.36 | DTRemenak | bryjen: is this compile with system regex, or bzflag regex? |
| 02:07.54 | bryjen | !lart 5 MeBigFatGuy |
| 02:08.13 | bryjen | DTRemenak: i donno |
| 02:08.22 | bryjen | whichever one configure picked |
| 02:08.33 | DTRemenak | 'cause that's where it's spending 95% of its time... |
| 02:09.07 | bryjen | clues in include/config.h ? |
| 02:09.19 | DTRemenak | yeah, BUILD_REGEX |
| 02:09.47 | learner | that means it's filtering like a mofo |
| 02:09.47 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.48 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.50 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.51 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.17 | learner | you said you enabled filtering? |
| 02:10.21 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/ (BZFlag.nsi BZFlag_high_res.nsi): bump to 1.11.10 |
| 02:10.50 | DTRemenak | I'd assume so, since almost all the regex calls are from WordFilter :) |
| 02:10.53 | bryjen | my launch script has -filterCallsigns -filterChat |
| 02:11.09 | learner | ahh, then indeed you are |
| 02:11.15 | DTRemenak | aggressiveFilter no less |
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| 02:11.22 | learner | hrm.. so filtering all outbound wasn't such a good idea ;) |
| 02:11.24 | The_Viper | it seems worse :( |
| 02:11.40 | Patlabor221 | The_Viper: then you got something else in there sucking up CPU or something |
| 02:11.43 | Patlabor221 | what is your FPS? |
| 02:11.44 | learner | must be filtering the shot messages too |
| 02:11.47 | DTRemenak | learner: I'd say inbound sounds better :) |
| 02:11.49 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 02:12.11 | DTRemenak | well, dunno - shot messages may be binary till client-end |
| 02:12.59 | The_Viper | ill find out |
| 02:13.05 | Patlabor221 | http://bzflag.dragon.org/builds/1.11/ |
| 02:13.06 | learner | no, I mean the general "picked up flag" .. "killed by..." |
| 02:13.09 | Patlabor221 | for those that need em |
| 02:13.23 | Patlabor221 | tho high res still has 1:06 to go |
| 02:13.28 | DTRemenak | learner: yeah, that's what I mean |
| 02:13.37 | trepan | filtering is done in sendMessage, no shots there |
| 02:13.40 | The_Viper | 57 on my server. |
| 02:13.43 | The_Viper | it was 80 |
| 02:13.53 | DTRemenak | learner: that stuff should be binary until client end |
| 02:13.56 | trepan | bryjen: any chance you could rebuild with system regex? |
| 02:13.58 | DTRemenak | MsgShotEnd and so on |
| 02:14.14 | bryjen | trepan: sure |
| 02:14.16 | learner | hrm, that is true.. those aren't really chat |
| 02:14.25 | learner | bryjen, was anyone even chatting? |
| 02:14.32 | trepan | learner: not much |
| 02:14.35 | DTRemenak | yeah, chat caused a bit of a slowdown |
| 02:14.40 | DTRemenak | clientquery killed it though |
| 02:14.46 | trepan | just seems like the builting regex is borked |
| 02:15.02 | learner | I use the built-in all the time |
| 02:15.04 | Patlabor221 | have fun with your filtering stuff, it's time for justice :) |
| 02:15.19 | trepan | what kind of files do you have for filtering? |
| 02:15.20 | learner | it's actually faster than my system regex |
| 02:15.22 | DTRemenak | learner: seems like multithreading regex may have been a good idea - at least then /clientquery would not mean /flag reset :) |
| 02:15.25 | The_Viper | I checked prossese and everything...nothin wierd...and rand 2 spyware progs and avg |
| 02:15.26 | trepan | word lists that is... |
| 02:16.03 | learner | DTRemenak, it would have been (and I really considered it) .. but vied to "do it right" and get the whole loop multithreaded instead |
| 02:16.05 | DTRemenak | er, multithreading wordfilter - you know what I mean |
| 02:16.19 | learner | that was when filtering was "really" slow .. |
| 02:16.20 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's a better idea - but will it help 1.12? ;) |
| 02:16.26 | bryjen | uhmm, configure --without-regex ? |
| 02:16.32 | DTRemenak | bryjen: yup |
| 02:16.43 | bryjen | configure: error: conditional "BUILD_REGEX" was never defined. |
| 02:16.45 | bryjen | Usually this means the macro was only invoked conditionally. |
| 02:16.55 | learner | oop |
| 02:17.14 | bryjen | i'm using multilingualSwearList.txt from the misc dir |
| 02:17.25 | learner | yep, thats what I use |
| 02:17.46 | learner | all my servers except one, iirc |
| 02:18.08 | bryjen | what kind of hardware ? |
| 02:18.50 | learner | dual g4 500 |
| 02:19.52 | learner | bryjen, what are you running on? |
| 02:19.55 | bryjen | this'll make her feel better: mine's a dual pentium 133 w/ 192mb ram |
| 02:20.06 | learner | ah, hehe |
| 02:20.31 | lan56 | 133 mhz? |
| 02:20.37 | learner | well at least you shouldn't be out of memory any more.. :) filter used to use up gobs of it =) |
| 02:20.43 | bryjen | they sure aint GHz |
| 02:21.03 | DTRemenak | learner: incoming may not be much better, considering all the commands and so on |
| 02:21.14 | DTRemenak | might be better to have exemptions for outgoing |
| 02:21.14 | bryjen | yes, is a wery old box |
| 02:21.17 | lan56 | I can't complain, I used to use a 33mhz performa myself even when there were computers in the GHz range |
| 02:21.33 | DTRemenak | like add an optional bool variable to sendMessage to bypass the filter |
| 02:21.40 | learner | I'm thinking that box is just a bit too slow for the full filter |
| 02:21.49 | DTRemenak | so that clientquery/lagstats/etc could skip it |
| 02:21.49 | bryjen | it runs 1.10.6 OK |
| 02:21.57 | The_Viper | Anyone know what else i could do? |
| 02:22.17 | learner | bryjen: with filtering?? |
| 02:22.25 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.in: don't define the conditional conditionally for BUILD_REGEX |
| 02:22.29 | bryjen | yes, nearly the same launch script |
| 02:22.33 | learner | wow |
| 02:22.45 | learner | yeah, then something's really screwy |
| 02:22.47 | DTRemenak | alright learner, what'd ya change :) |
| 02:23.11 | bryjen | 1.11 ran Ok until this month. or maybe last month. i went a while without updating |
| 02:23.13 | learner | fixed that bug with --without-regex |
| 02:23.45 | learner | then it must be the filtering of all outbound .. but I can't imagine exactly how |
| 02:24.05 | learner | assuming the problem really is filtering, of course |
| 02:24.50 | bryjen | KeyManager.cxx and PositionTracker.cxx changes |
| 02:25.23 | learner | position tracker shouldn't be used unless I accidentally commited something.. |
| 02:25.33 | bryjen | k |
| 02:25.41 | learner | which is not impossible.. |
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| 02:26.01 | The_Viper | damn, not its worse than ever. |
| 02:26.08 | The_Viper | skippy. |
| 02:26.37 | shorty114 | viper u there? |
| 02:26.52 | shorty114 | The_Viper: there? |
| 02:26.58 | lan56 | I'd say so since he just said a message a millesecond ago :) |
| 02:27.06 | shorty114 | anyway |
| 02:27.12 | shorty114 | your filter is incomplete |
| 02:27.17 | shorty114 | on your bzfs |
| 02:27.31 | shorty114 | f*cker and f*cking is uncensored |
| 02:27.37 | The_Viper | yea |
| 02:27.39 | learner | I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the filter is just tipping the usage .. and that the entire loop is slower for some reason |
| 02:27.41 | The_Viper | and crap is lol |
| 02:27.47 | shorty114 | heh |
| 02:27.55 | bryjen | http://66.28.250.180/data/nids/PAH19_0_t.gif a bit o' rain |
| 02:28.05 | The_Viper | well, working to get this damn comp to work. |
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| 02:28.34 | The_Viper | updated directx and nvidia drivers and now getting 55 FPS and was getting 75-80 |
| 02:28.39 | The_Viper | its pissing me off |
| 02:29.36 | bryjen | could -mcpu=i686 be sub-optimal on ye ol pentium classic? |
| 02:29.48 | bryjen | still... |
| 02:30.12 | learner | shouldn't hurt afaik |
| 02:30.26 | lan56 | bryjen: is rain common during this time of year? |
| 02:30.59 | bryjen | in the Ohio Valley Rain Forest? |
| 02:31.08 | lan56 | no, on that map you showed |
| 02:31.16 | The_Viper | anyone know where i can go to get help? |
| 02:31.16 | lan56 | that was nearly an entire state |
| 02:31.29 | lan56 | beats me as well |
| 02:31.41 | bryjen | that map is pieces of 6 states |
| 02:31.59 | bryjen | unless you didn't get the same one i did |
| 02:32.05 | lan56 | oh, I see the black lines :) |
| 02:32.12 | lan56 | gotta look closely and I see them |
| 02:32.23 | bryjen | i'm below the e on the end of Evansville |
| 02:32.31 | The_Viper | im going to uninstal directx and the nvidia drivers maby that will make it better. |
| 02:32.32 | The_Viper | lol |
| 02:32.45 | lan56 | not too much rain it looks |
| 02:32.56 | bryjen | the downward hook in the dark line that is the River |
| 02:33.10 | bryjen | was a big red spot over me :) |
| 02:33.38 | The_Viper | DAMN, cant even find how to uninstall. |
| 02:33.53 | bryjen | The_Viper: directx ? you probly can't |
| 02:34.03 | DTRemenak | The_Viper: language please |
| 02:34.15 | lan56 | nah, those aren't really strong bad words |
| 02:35.32 | The_Viper | is there a way to wipe out updated drivers and get old? |
| 02:37.02 | DTRemenak | The_Viper: what kind of drivers? |
| 02:37.15 | The_Viper | yes fixed |
| 02:37.18 | The_Viper | i dont know how |
| 02:37.26 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:37.30 | The_Viper | i just messed with settings thats how i fix things :) |
| 02:37.50 | The_Viper | well going to play finaly later dudes. |
| 02:38.40 | DTRemenak | bryjen: i686 will definately hurt performance on a P5 |
| 02:40.01 | bryjen | compiled --without-regex segfaults on bzfs --version :( |
| 02:40.01 | lan56 | I'd say as long as the FPS is >= 20, there shouldn't be noticeable differences |
| 02:40.22 | lan56 | the human eye only sees about 20 fps anyway, exactly 20 IIRC |
| 02:40.54 | DTRemenak | regex uses a lot of variables with the "register" keyword, and 686 archs have more registers available than 586s, thus the compiler will try to cram more in the registers than it can, and you'll end up with critical variables in main memory, which is not good |
| 02:40.57 | lan56 | a movie theatre film projector runs at 24 FPS as to keep the black screen inbetween frames from being noticable |
| 02:41.17 | lan56 | if the human eye saw more than 20, 24 fps would be wimpy and a mistake |
| 02:41.18 | DTRemenak | lan56: dunno what you're talking about, but we're talking about bzfs :) |
| 02:41.29 | lan56 | I don't even know what I am talking about myself :) |
| 02:41.51 | DTRemenak | yeah, the thing to look for is what changed :) |
| 02:42.27 | lan56 | I was just talking about how many FPS a normal human eye sees, and how that should be taken into consideration when considering how noticeable a bzflag fps of 30 is compared to, say, 120 |
| 02:42.28 | DTRemenak | bryjen: did you have 1.10 running while you were testing 1.11? |
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| 02:42.45 | bryjen | DTRemenak: no. made sure i shut it off |
| 02:43.08 | grape219 | =) |
| 02:43.46 | grape219 | i set up bzflag server at wurk, and put info on intranet, rofl |
| 02:47.34 | DTRemenak | lan56: in bzflag, FPS also means cycles/second of the main loop - player update processing and so on. 20 FPS adds 50ms to your lag, and because of the way things are ordered, displaying may take a couple more cycles. So even if you have decent 200ms network lag, you may have 500 ms (1/2 sec) lag until you see someone move |
| 02:47.52 | bryjen | joins quicker |
| 02:48.00 | DTRemenak | bryjen: what's top say? |
| 02:49.17 | lan56 | well, I always knew that you are not only lagged by your own client->server lag, but by everybody else's lag, i.e., if my lag is 200ms and somebody else's is 500, I get his messages 700ms later, if I figured things out correctly |
| 02:49.28 | lan56 | but I see what you mean |
| 02:49.50 | learner | register is just a compiler hint to try and use a hardware memory register. if it's not available is just as if you left the keyword off |
| 02:50.34 | DTRemenak | learner: key word is "compiler" hint |
| 02:50.34 | DTRemenak | so if the compiler thinks your proc has more registers than it does... |
| 02:50.37 | learner | yeah, but I'm pretty sure that's not controlled at all by march |
| 02:50.42 | learner | or mcpu |
| 02:51.15 | DTRemenak | it is by march - e.g. x86-64 gets pretty good boost on some progs because of the additional registers |
| 02:51.52 | DTRemenak | to really know whether it made a difference in this case we'd have to do some tests |
| 02:51.58 | learner | the boost is supposed to be coming from arch-specific instructions |
| 02:52.07 | bryjen | well, i686 doesn't seem so bad on the i586 with word filters turned off |
| 02:52.25 | DTRemenak | heh, well it _was_ 95% of your processing time :) |
| 02:52.32 | learner | heh |
| 02:53.06 | DTRemenak | if someone handed me a 19x faster processor, I'd take it :) |
| 02:53.09 | learner | bryjen, what was the segfault? |
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| 02:54.15 | purple_cow | lan56: the human eye can see many more than 20fps, it's just that 24 is sufficient for the brain to see motion |
| 02:54.23 | purple_cow | lan56: this is why people see flicker on monitors |
| 02:54.36 | bryjen | learner: here or /query ? |
| 02:54.46 | learner | query me |
| 02:55.07 | lan56 | then how come I can still see things under 24 fps? |
| 02:55.21 | MeBigFatGuy | i'm always amazed how many people can look at a 60Hz monitor all day and not be bothered by it |
| 02:55.38 | MeBigFatGuy | i walk over to theirs, and complain the minute i arrive |
| 02:55.41 | purple_cow | because 24 isn't a lower limit either :P |
| 02:55.56 | DTRemenak | lan56: your brain interpolates - you know those little flip-book things? < 5 fps and your brain can fit the peices together |
| 02:56.13 | lan56 | flip books only work in the cartoons :) |
| 02:56.54 | DTRemenak | MeBigFatGuy: what amazes me more are people who use monitors at 60hz under flourescent lighting |
| 02:56.59 | lan56 | then how come 20 or so fps looks the same as 50 fps, from what I've seen? |
| 02:57.13 | DTRemenak | lan56: you watch too many movies? |
| 02:57.21 | grape219 | flicker on monitors is in relation to Crt, and vertRefresh |
| 02:57.30 | lan56 | not really |
| 02:57.34 | grape219 | strobe is from fps |
| 02:58.02 | grape219 | and ghosted strobe is from LSD, lol |
| 02:58.13 | DTRemenak | lan56: I can tell a big difference between 20 and 30, and that there is a difference between 30 and 60 |
| 02:58.26 | lan56 | well, I guess I just need better glasses then |
| 02:58.43 | DTRemenak | lan56: it's a neural cortex thing, not a lenses thing :) |
| 02:58.53 | lan56 | I guess I just need better eyes then |
| 02:59.02 | grape219 | you can hav mine :) |
| 02:59.06 | grape219 | but i want something in return ;] |
| 02:59.21 | lan56 | like what? |
| 02:59.32 | grape219 | changed my mind, not giving |
| 02:59.34 | lan56 | my magnificent, award winning coding skills? |
| 02:59.53 | grape219 | lol, coding without seeing, rofl |
| 02:59.57 | lan56 | ahh, too many things that I have that you want, not enough time to think which one in particular :) |
| 03:00.01 | bryjen | braile |
| 03:08.51 | bryjen | eep. lights dimmed |
| 03:09.04 | DTRemenak | got a UPS? |
| 03:09.19 | bryjen | yeah |
| 03:09.23 | DTRemenak | good :) |
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| 03:34.34 | DTRemenak | learner: by the segfault? |
| 03:34.39 | learner | yes |
| 03:34.45 | learner | it's very odd |
| 03:34.58 | DTRemenak | hm, odd :) |
| 03:42.39 | bryjen | whoever was wondering: -enable-debug --enable-profiling does seem to remove -O |
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| 04:03.57 | learner | anyone familiar with regex have any ideas why gnu's regex would choke on: d+[^abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz]*[o0]+[^abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz]*m+ |
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| 04:18.40 | bryjen | any ideas on figuring out where the bz supplied regex is eating the CPU? |
| 04:23.26 | learner | I'd guess debug compilation |
| 04:23.38 | learner | debug on that sucker is gonna be really slow |
| 04:23.50 | learner | could try compiling it separately with optimizations on |
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| 04:42.51 | bryjen | no help |
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| 05:18.08 | Tegan | greetings |
| 05:20.46 | learner | howdy |
| 05:29.29 | Nidhoggr | hrm. I wonder what the chance is of going into local apple store and actually being able to carry out laptop without having to order and wait a few weeks. |
| 05:34.12 | learner | pretty good chance |
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| 05:38.17 | learner | 0 bzflag 0x000ef188 OpenGLTexture::bind() + 0x1c (OpenGLTexture.cxx:220) |
| 05:38.18 | learner | 1 bzflag 0x000ef0c8 OpenGLTexture::execute() + 0x20 (OpenGLTexture.cxx:211) |
| 05:38.18 | learner | 2 bzflag 0x000aeee0 TextureManager::bind(int) + 0xd4 (TextureManager.cxx:120) |
| 05:38.18 | learner | 3 bzflag 0x0004c858 RadarRenderer::render(SceneRenderer&, bool) + 0x87c (RadarRenderer.cxx:248) |
| 05:39.14 | trepan | segv spot? |
| 05:39.22 | learner | bus error, but yeah |
| 05:40.07 | learner | joined with 10 bots.. bots never showed up .. started driving .. then poof |
| 05:40.24 | learner | mrac's map |
| 05:40.43 | trepan | consistent? only with bots? |
| 05:41.24 | learner | nope |
| 05:41.29 | learner | now it's working |
| 05:41.38 | trepan | ah, good job, problem fixed :) |
| 05:41.45 | learner | heh |
| 05:56.21 | BZFlag9194 | Is there a page that has a how to for local 'lan' list server/ server pair. |
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| 05:58.53 | learner | BZFlag9194: not that I know of |
| 05:58.59 | calnu29 | hi all |
| 05:59.08 | BZFlag9194 | I am a bit confused about what happens when I set up the sever side and then joining the game. Why it was listed along with all the public servers. |
| 05:59.36 | learner | it shows up in your local client through local network discovery |
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| 05:59.45 | BZFlag9194 | not that it is terrible I just imagined not suppling an IP number I would get errors. |
| 06:00.09 | learner | it won't show up in others outside your local subnet unless you make it a public server |
| 06:00.11 | BZFlag9194 | Oh okay |
| 06:00.26 | learner | if the list server can't get to listed ip, it won't list it anyways |
| 06:00.42 | BZFlag9194 | How can I tell there didn't seem to be any way to say one way or the other. |
| 06:00.53 | learner | tell what? |
| 06:01.15 | learner | if it's public or private? |
| 06:01.17 | BZFlag9194 | so the list server is a serparate process that is called from bzflag |
| 06:01.18 | BZFlag9194 | ?? |
| 06:01.38 | learner | the list server is a separate machine altogether |
| 06:01.44 | BZFlag9194 | One side to do network discovery and the other to host game. |
| 06:01.48 | learner | db.bzflag.org |
| 06:01.57 | BZFlag9194 | Oh okay thanks |
| 06:02.08 | learner | you don't do anything with the list server really, unless it's a public server |
| 06:02.23 | learner | you don't "run" it, at least |
| 06:02.29 | learner | you just talk to it |
| 06:02.43 | BZFlag9194 | Yes but it does seem to be invoke automatically |
| 06:02.46 | calnu29 | hi all. |
| 06:02.47 | learner | and if it's a private server it doesn't even talk to it |
| 06:02.59 | BZFlag9194 | only way around is to play sole that I can see anyway. |
| 06:03.04 | learner | the client talks to the list server to get the publicly listed servers |
| 06:03.28 | BZFlag9194 | great I do get it. |
| 06:03.35 | learner | hrm.. you sure? |
| 06:03.42 | learner | sounds like you're missing some point :) |
| 06:04.14 | BZFlag9194 | so when my server appeared on the list it was just another one discovered locally in fact. Is that right. |
| 06:04.14 | learner | how are you starting a server? |
| 06:05.02 | learner | yes, it showed up in the list because it was simply discovered by the client.. the list server wasn't even involved |
| 06:05.06 | BZFlag9194 | I am launching bzflag and then using the join features submenu to create a server |
| 06:05.21 | learner | ahh, then yes.. that is a non-public server |
| 06:05.31 | learner | so the list server is never involved |
| 06:05.53 | learner | only players on your local subnet will see it in their list |
| 06:06.02 | BZFlag9194 | Okay I understand |
| 06:06.39 | BZFlag9194 | I was curious because it showed in active processes after I quit the game. |
| 06:07.03 | learner | trepan, ran a profile |
| 06:07.28 | BZFlag9194 | and I used the kill cmd to deal with it but I thought it would shutdown because I exited using the menu |
| 06:07.52 | learner | testOrigRectRect() is rather expensive.. getting called a lot for some reason |
| 06:08.16 | trepan | ah, what map? |
| 06:08.24 | learner | BZFlag9194, hrm.. yeah it just execs it so it'll run until you force it down |
| 06:08.35 | learner | trepan, MrAC's playground.. |
| 06:08.56 | trepan | what's calling it? |
| 06:09.04 | trepan | and what's the setup? bots, etc... |
| 06:09.15 | learner | spending a lot of time in Intersect.cxx:558-561 |
| 06:09.39 | BZFlag9194 | that bring up my other couriosity for the night maps are there editors or is it all coded scripts or execs? |
| 06:10.26 | trepan | night maps? |
| 06:10.27 | learner | trepan, called by testRectRect .. called by BoxBuilding::inBox |
| 06:11.07 | learner | hit the +- keys and it'll change from night to day |
| 06:11.17 | trepan | learner: well, the octree should limit it to a local box, but other then that, i haven't tried to work on the actual testOrigRectRect() function |
| 06:11.35 | trepan | heh, mac playground only has 8 obstales, doesn't it? |
| 06:11.39 | learner | why is the server calling that thoug? |
| 06:12.17 | trepan | where you spawning alot? |
| 06:13.15 | learner | oh yeah.. joined with -solo 14 |
| 06:13.28 | trepan | it's probably being called from WorldInfo::boxInBuilding() |
| 06:13.30 | learner | never did get to see 14 of em |
| 06:13.37 | learner | lucky to see 6 |
| 06:13.46 | learner | (which seemed like a bug) |
| 06:13.57 | learner | also took them a _long_ time to show up at all |
| 06:14.09 | trepan | use the same algo as bzflag to avoid those annoying air-spawns |
| 06:14.49 | learner | what did it used to do? |
| 06:15.18 | trepan | used a cylinder, which is cheaper |
| 06:15.31 | trepan | but when you're talking about a real map, with say 400+ boxes |
| 06:16.01 | trepan | the octree knocks it down to about 4-8 tests from 200, so the low-level algo performance hit is negligible |
| 06:16.48 | trepan | 200+ tests actually, the chances of not being on an obstacle are also good |
| 06:21.03 | BZFlag9194 | thanks and g-night |
| 06:21.09 | learner | cya |
| 06:22.49 | trepan | learner: the spawning algos (both player and flag), could be improved by returning a list of obstacles that intersect with an infinite height box or cylinder |
| 06:23.04 | trepan | get that list once, and then start climbing |
| 06:23.38 | learner | don't quite get how they are having so much trouble on the playground.. maybe the box is too big? |
| 06:24.21 | trepan | huh? one sec, i'll revert some of my 1.11.x so i can go take a look-see |
| 06:25.01 | trepan | you have the colderXXX parameters setup funny? |
| 06:25.09 | trepan | s/colder/coldet |
| 06:25.37 | learner | i haven't done anything |
| 06:25.42 | learner | same ol' map |
| 06:27.36 | trepan | hehe, forgot, i've got base tops using texture matrices, that map is dizzying |
| 06:28.39 | trepan | coldet looks fine on it, but i'd change coldetElements to 1, shouldn't make a big difference though |
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