| 00:00.26 | blast007_ | are we starting the NSIS 2.0 installer from scratch, or basing it off the one I posted to the forum a while back? |
| 00:00.50 | Patlabor221 | some of each |
| 00:01.01 | Patlabor221 | I'm breaking up the installer more too |
| 00:01.06 | blast007_ | k, feel free to use anything from my installer files, like images etc |
| 00:01.07 | Patlabor221 | gotta make it check for direct X |
| 00:01.24 | Patlabor221 | what images did you have? |
| 00:01.44 | blast007_ | like for the left size of the installer |
| 00:01.59 | Patlabor221 | ohh I'm not doing one with the lefie |
| 00:02.04 | Patlabor221 | doing the header |
| 00:02.10 | Patlabor221 | 2.01 added some more stuff |
| 00:02.18 | Patlabor221 | the new "modern UI" |
| 00:02.31 | blast007_ | k |
| 00:02.31 | DTRemenak | Patlabor221: you should probably have it check for NT4, and give some message about getting a different build since NT4 doesn't do DX7 |
| 00:02.36 | blast007_ | yeah, mine used the modern UI IIRF |
| 00:02.40 | blast007_ | IIRC* |
| 00:03.00 | Patlabor221 | DTRemenak, I am actualy looking at what it would take to have it auto download a new exe |
| 00:03.06 | DTRemenak | ahh, sweet |
| 00:03.27 | Patlabor221 | but at the least it'll say "j00 got no DX7 or higher, get it or get a non DX build " |
| 00:03.36 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 00:03.40 | Patlabor221 | ibot x en de j00 got no DX7 or higher, get it or get a non DX build |
| 00:04.01 | DTRemenak | Patlabor221, I hope you plan on having Real Humans proofread these ;) |
| 00:04.08 | Patlabor221 | that's what CVS is for |
| 00:04.12 | blast007_ | :) |
| 00:06.57 | Patlabor221 | may need to build a DLL to do the checks tho |
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| 00:09.41 | KurtCP23D | Hepcat admin needed - ban player Zapple |
| 00:09.51 | KurtCP23D | he's TKing just like the other day on ducati |
| 00:10.59 | Patlabor221 | DTRemenak, do you know if there is a reg key for what version of DX is installed? |
| 00:11.43 | DTRemenak | Patlabor221: not really sure |
| 00:12.23 | Patlabor221 | well we got time to look |
| 00:12.50 | DTRemenak | ah, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\DirectX\ |
| 00:12.58 | Patlabor221 | sweet |
| 00:13.08 | blast007_away | here was what my installer looked like: http://bzbb.bzflag.org/files/installer.png |
| 00:13.10 | Patlabor221 | got a script that will check for NT |
| 00:13.18 | DTRemenak | the key is InstalledVersion |
| 00:13.31 | Patlabor221 | yeah blast current stuff dosn't look like that anymore |
| 00:13.54 | DTRemenak | although that does look sharp :) |
| 00:13.58 | Patlabor221 | that it does |
| 00:14.00 | blast007_ | guess I'll have to grab the latest version |
| 00:14.15 | blast007_ | think I did that with the first 2.0 release |
| 00:14.27 | Patlabor221 | I'm not gonna finish it now, I just wanted to get something in so I could think about it |
| 00:14.56 | Patlabor221 | I gotta figure out a good thing for the start menu items to make it easyer for the thousands of servers that the kids seem to want to run |
| 00:15.54 | blast007_ | yeah, seems like everyone wants to run one... |
| 00:16.04 | Patlabor221 | resitance is futile |
| 00:16.34 | Patlabor221 | I kinda want to see if I can make the top bar have the same image as the website bar |
| 00:17.01 | blast007_ | heh :) |
| 00:17.14 | Patlabor221 | and I want to make the installer be able to do the alternate data as an install option |
| 00:17.37 | blast007_ | would it download alternate data dynamically? |
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| 00:17.46 | Patlabor221 | that's what I'd like to look into |
| 00:17.59 | blast007_ | yeah, that'd be nice |
| 00:18.00 | KR | Zapple was banned on a poll at hepcat - yet he has shown back up |
| 00:18.14 | Patlabor221 | at least make the alt data one be the default, and then offer a "smaller" isntaller for the lightweights |
| 00:18.14 | KR | anyone want to come look, get an IP or something? |
| 00:18.29 | blast007_ | don't poll bans only last 10 minutes? also, someone with a dynamic IP can come back |
| 00:18.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:18.37 | KR | I dunno :( |
| 00:18.45 | KR | but it wasnt even 10 minutes |
| 00:18.51 | blast007_ | dynamic IP then |
| 00:18.53 | Patlabor221 | one modem reset can fix that |
| 00:19.00 | blast007_ | need an admin to ban his range |
| 00:19.16 | KR | bummer |
| 00:19.18 | KR | :) |
| 00:19.31 | KR | goin back |
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| 00:22.06 | blast007_ | cool, you can build NSIS installers on *nix now |
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| 00:25.47 | Patlabor221 | realy? |
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| 00:26.37 | blast007_ | http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=22049&release_id=270346 |
| 00:27.13 | Patlabor221 | keen |
| 00:30.28 | blast007_ | my installer used the Modern UI |
| 00:31.07 | Patlabor221 | probably with difrent options |
| 00:31.16 | blast007_ | probably |
| 00:31.29 | CIA-4 | libIRC: 03jeffm2501 * 10libirc/src/ (ircBasicCommands.cpp libIRC.cpp): setup for message polling |
| 00:32.39 | CIA-4 | libIRC: 03jeffm2501 * 10libirc/examples/simpleIRCConnect/ (3 files in 2 dirs): simple IRC sample app |
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| 00:33.28 | sbo971 | :D |
| 00:33.39 | sbo971 | I am on a wireless laptop sitting in my bed :D |
| 00:33.43 | sbo971 | this is so nice |
| 00:33.50 | blast007_ | :) |
| 00:33.53 | sbo971 | g2g |
| 00:34.04 | blast007_ | I need to get a wifi card now... ;) |
| 00:34.23 | blast007_ | already got the wireless router |
| 00:34.31 | Patlabor221 | they are cheap |
| 00:34.55 | blast007_ | yeah |
| 00:35.25 | blast007_ | I can get them a bit cheaper through my place of work too (small computer store) |
| 00:35.52 | Patlabor221 | fun |
| 00:35.54 | amathis | now to buy a laptop :D |
| 00:36.19 | blast007_ | hehe |
| 00:36.48 | blast007_ | I'm on my third laptop, but the first two don't count |
| 00:37.30 | amathis | SEND ME ON! |
| 00:37.33 | amathis | *ONE |
| 00:37.37 | blast007_ | first was a 486DX 75MHz |
| 00:37.41 | amathis | :D |
| 00:37.43 | blast007_ | lol |
| 00:37.46 | blast007_ | second one was really beat up, and I ended up removing the screen |
| 00:37.48 | blast007_ | both were free |
| 00:37.55 | blast007_ | (imagine that!) |
| 00:38.34 | blast007_ | cool, NSIS 2.01 finished downloading |
| 00:41.46 | learner | um heh |
| 00:42.16 | blast007_ | hmm, seems anon cvs is still behind a bit |
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| 01:06.45 | learner | ~dict melodramatic |
| 01:06.47 | Patlabor221 | yay |
| 01:07.00 | Patlabor221 | now that IS using the lib ;) |
| 01:07.06 | learner | w00t |
| 01:07.42 | Patlabor221 | and the genified command handalers |
| 01:07.50 | Nidhoggr | I'm feeling a little melodramatic today. doctor's visit didn't go well, so I'm feeling like an episode of peyton place. |
| 01:07.51 | Patlabor221 | tho there are only 5 handalers installed so far :) |
| 01:08.29 | orchid | hi libIRCTest2 |
| 01:09.52 | Patlabor221 | it's not very smart :) |
| 01:10.07 | Patlabor221 | it only knows USER NICK PING and PONG |
| 01:10.14 | Patlabor221 | and the ever present "ALL" message |
| 01:10.52 | Nidhoggr | yay for irc tests! |
| 01:10.53 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 01:11.03 | learner | yay, for successful irc tests |
| 01:11.38 | amathis | :D |
| 01:11.54 | Patlabor221 | I need to hook up some receve handalers now, so that it can do stuff based on events |
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| 01:31.07 | lan56 | http://www.downtownnews.com/development/ <-- enough residential, too many commercial opportunities missed |
| 01:31.53 | CIA-4 | libIRC: 03jeffm2501 * 10libirc/src/libIRC.cpp: make line parsers not suck |
| 01:32.39 | CIA-4 | libIRC: 03jeffm2501 * 10libirc/src/ (ircBasicCommands.cpp ircBasicCommands.h): ping and pong commands |
| 01:33.30 | CIA-4 | libIRC: 03jeffm2501 * 10libirc/include/libIRC.h: store message target in base command info |
| 01:34.24 | CIA-4 | libIRC: 03jeffm2501 * 10libirc/examples/simpleIRCConnect/src/simpleIRCConnect.cpp: make the sample connect with the lib |
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| 01:59.55 | orchid | !dict frantic |
| 01:59.57 | guu | orchid: web1913 and wn responded: web1913: Frantic \Fran"tic\, a. [OE. frentik, frenetik, F. frentique, L. phreneticus, from Gr. ?. See {Frenzy}, and cf. {Frenetic}, {Phrenetic}.] Mad; raving; furious; violent; wild and disorderly; distracted. Die, frantic wretch, for this accursed deed! --Shak. Torrents of frantic abuse. --Macaulay. -- {Fran"tic*al*ly}, adv. -- (2 more messages) |
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| 02:15.00 | wrburns | Anyone know where I could get in touch with the admins for viper.pimpi.org? |
| 02:16.01 | learner | wrburns, why the admins? |
| 02:16.17 | learner | wrburns: Pimpinella is the operator |
| 02:17.48 | wrburns | learner, Umm, I got banned. Hehe. |
| 02:18.10 | wrburns | Apparently the power-hungry admin was offended by the use of words such as "23423416937612ing" |
| 02:19.13 | learner | hrm |
| 02:19.20 | learner | that is a bit obnoxious |
| 02:19.33 | wrburns | On my part? Dude, he considered that swearing |
| 02:19.44 | learner | something 1.11 would have denied :) |
| 02:19.58 | learner | well, that is their turf, their rules |
| 02:20.02 | learner | even if unreasonable |
| 02:20.12 | wrburns | Alright, it's a good server |
| 02:20.18 | wrburns | Too bad, oh well |
| 02:20.21 | learner | who banned? |
| 02:20.22 | wrburns | Thanks anyways ;) |
| 02:20.31 | wrburns | "toaster" |
| 02:20.43 | learner | mm.. hold on a sec then |
| 02:21.20 | wrburns | Alright. |
| 02:21.35 | wrburns | BTW my nick was "Commies unite! Vote Stalin '04!" |
| 02:22.28 | learner | while funny to some, that could easily be seen as offensive |
| 02:22.39 | wrburns | I know ;) |
| 02:22.46 | learner | he's not there any more |
| 02:22.53 | learner | so no can help until I hear his story |
| 02:22.55 | wrburns | Thanks for checking, anyway. :) |
| 02:23.32 | wrburns | He did warn me about swearing, so I substituted my swearing with random numbers |
| 02:24.08 | wrburns | Oh well, when I first was promoted to a moderator on a forum I was a bit power-hungry too. ;) |
| 02:24.13 | orange | some people don't take kindly to smart-aleck actions :-) |
| 02:24.21 | wrburns | OK more serious question |
| 02:24.37 | wrburns | Every time someone IM's me on GAIM, I lose the focus in BZFlag |
| 02:24.50 | wrburns | Effectively I'm unable to get X to respond to any keyboard actions |
| 02:24.57 | wrburns | So I'm forced to kill X and restart. |
| 02:25.17 | wrburns | Anyone else having that problem? It happens in XFCE, KDE, and GNOME |
| 02:25.24 | learner | gaim's stealing the keyboard input |
| 02:25.28 | learner | and bz doesn't resteal it back |
| 02:25.44 | learner | so you'll have to shut off aim if you want that to not happen |
| 02:25.45 | wrburns | learner, Right, is there a way to lock focus to BZF? |
| 02:25.54 | learner | npoe |
| 02:26.13 | wrburns | Ah well. |
| 02:26.45 | wrburns | Maybe that could be added as a flag to bzflag? |
| 02:27.40 | orchid | wrburns: i seem to recall it not doing that in fluxbox |
| 02:27.40 | wrburns | (i.e. make a command-line switch that would let BZF lock the keyboard focus to BZF) |
| 02:27.44 | wrburns | Really? |
| 02:27.47 | wrburns | Hmmm |
| 02:28.02 | orchid | but thats drastic to switch wm's just to play bzflag |
| 02:28.14 | wrburns | :) |
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| 02:28.51 | trepan | learner: worth adding a XGrabKeyboard() or equivalent to the input menu? |
| 02:29.43 | wrburns | Yeah, maybe you could set a timer to do that every, say, 3 seconds |
| 02:29.57 | learner | a game generally should always have the focus, I'd imagine unless the user leaves when windowed |
| 02:30.19 | wrburns | learner, right, but the prob is that GAIM is stealing the focus |
| 02:30.23 | trepan | popup windows steal it |
| 02:30.40 | learner | yeah, depending on the window manager and apps, lots of things can steal the focus |
| 02:31.33 | learner | according to the blackbox folks, they say the icccm (sp) spec says it's our responsibility to say we require the focus |
| 02:31.45 | learner | not sure how we'd go about doing that |
| 02:31.49 | learner | sdl might fix that |
| 02:31.56 | DTRemenak | sdl does |
| 02:31.59 | wrburns | learner, I'll research it for you if you like... |
| 02:32.13 | learner | wrburns, nah, if sdl fixes it, then the problem is solved already |
| 02:32.22 | wrburns | learner, are you switching to SDL in 1.11? |
| 02:32.34 | learner | yes, i personally am switching to sdl |
| 02:32.41 | wrburns | that's good |
| 02:32.46 | learner | heh |
| 02:32.48 | wrburns | should help portability =) |
| 02:32.57 | wrburns | errr, is it not going into the mainline tree? |
| 02:33.04 | learner | meh, we are already pretty darn portable |
| 02:33.09 | trepan | SDL is the default for 1.11.x |
| 02:33.27 | learner | more of the benefits are consistency between the platforms |
| 02:33.48 | DTRemenak | SDL will not help portability at all. We already support all the platforms SDL does :). |
| 02:33.48 | learner | and completeness for the os x folks who've yet to see windowed |
| 02:33.57 | DTRemenak | but yeah, inter-os consistency |
| 02:34.00 | wrburns | learner, wellll... having to use GLX in Linux, CGL in Mac OS X, and whatever-it-is-that-windows-uses is a bit of a pain i bet ;) |
| 02:34.03 | DTRemenak | and bugigness stuff |
| 02:34.19 | learner | yeah, we might even "lose" a platform or two until sdl is tested there |
| 02:34.38 | DTRemenak | learner: I don't know of any plans to remove the native platforms, yet |
| 02:34.47 | trepan | SDL sound is still a bit off |
| 02:35.01 | learner | yeah, though last time I checked native mac, it was totally borked |
| 02:35.25 | DTRemenak | learner: we can drop native platforms as we determine they're useless |
| 02:35.30 | learner | too many ancillary benefits for the mac folk, though |
| 02:36.57 | wrburns | cmon mac programming is the bomb |
| 02:36.58 | DTRemenak | learner: what are the chances of an OS9 SDL build? hopeless? |
| 02:37.08 | wrburns | errr, oh, you talking about OS9? |
| 02:37.29 | DTRemenak | wrburns: no, OSX is currently the only supported mac :) |
| 02:37.39 | wrburns | that's what i thought |
| 02:37.52 | DTRemenak | but SDL supports OS9, so I was wondering how likely it was |
| 02:37.56 | wrburns | well mac os x is great, although i've never done anything with coreaudio (or whatever it is) |
| 02:38.12 | wrburns | well, OS 9 doesn't support sockets |
| 02:38.17 | wrburns | you guys ARE using sockets, right? |
| 02:38.24 | learner | wrburns, i like mac programming as much as the next, but not fixing the existing code |
| 02:38.41 | learner | os 9 used to be supported |
| 02:38.47 | learner | but i could care less :) |
| 02:38.53 | DTRemenak | wrburns: I know nothing about mac programming. I was just curious :). |
| 02:39.08 | wrburns | what API are you using right now? |
| 02:39.13 | learner | if os 9 supports it, there'd be very few changes needed |
| 02:39.23 | learner | mainly the config file and directory path stuff |
| 02:39.38 | wrburns | look, i did a TON of programming on OS 9 |
| 02:39.52 | wrburns | i very seriously doubt you could do a mac os 9 port easily |
| 02:40.09 | learner | s/if os 9 supports it/if sdl supports os 9/ |
| 02:40.12 | wrburns | you'd have to rewrite all of your networking code to use OpenTransport |
| 02:40.19 | wrburns | which is a bitch... |
| 02:40.41 | DTRemenak | wrburns: SDL works on OS9, and there was an old OS9 port of BZ anyway. I believe it used an external sockets library |
| 02:40.51 | PrezKennedy | weird programmers... |
| 02:41.12 | wrburns | DTRemenak, Ah, so you guys ARENT using native Unix sockets for networking? |
| 02:41.22 | DTRemenak | I copied some code from it trying to make BZ compile on OS/2 |
| 02:41.47 | DTRemenak | we're using pretty much BSD sockets. apparently there was a third-party BSD sockets library for OS9. |
| 02:41.52 | learner | wrburns, we are, but ot is not really _that_ hard/bad |
| 02:42.00 | wrburns | learner, Oh yes it is!!! |
| 02:42.02 | wrburns | Hehee. |
| 02:42.06 | wrburns | Well you could use OpenPlay |
| 02:42.10 | wrburns | OpenPlay is pretty easy |
| 02:42.18 | learner | and yeah, there is/was an external lib that made it simple |
| 02:42.36 | wrburns | gotcha |
| 02:42.57 | learner | http://web.mit.edu/macdev/Development/MITSupportLib/SocketsLib/Documentation/ |
| 02:43.41 | learner | easy as ¼ |
| 02:43.52 | wrburns | ah, cool |
| 02:44.03 | wrburns | Mac OS 9 programming was so much fun =) |
| 02:44.13 | DTRemenak | looks like BZ used GUSI - http://www.iis.ee.ethz.ch/~neeri/macintosh/gusi-qa.html#Q1 |
| 02:45.03 | learner | MPW was nifty |
| 02:45.12 | wrburns | yes, it was |
| 02:45.23 | wrburns | though i used CodeWarrior for most of my stuff |
| 02:45.35 | wrburns | CodeWarrior - the Only Good IDE Ever Made(tm) |
| 02:45.41 | learner | ~fishslap DTRemenak |
| 02:45.44 | ibot | ACTION slaps DTRemenak up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 02:46.03 | DTRemenak | what? :) |
| 02:46.07 | learner | :) |
| 02:46.33 | DTRemenak | hmm, how broken is SunPRO's STL implementation? |
| 02:46.43 | learner | nuthing.. if I were at school, i'd probably do that too :) |
| 02:46.45 | wrburns | hmmm |
| 02:46.56 | wrburns | iirc Sun's is one of the worst STL imps |
| 02:46.59 | learner | my stl install was missing a linker, so can't tell ya ;) |
| 02:47.07 | DTRemenak | hm, sounds like fun :) |
| 02:47.08 | learner | s/stl/sunwpro/ |
| 02:47.39 | learner | wierdest thing |
| 02:48.49 | Noodleman | http://hitokiri.ath.cx/what.php |
| 02:49.22 | learner | =) |
| 02:49.32 | DTRemenak | Noodleman: what's at that, I don't go to links from IRC ;) |
| 02:50.50 | huwr | learner, hi. |
| 02:51.04 | huwr | What does it mean if bzflag compiles and fails with an 'asm' error? |
| 02:51.40 | learner | user error? |
| 02:51.46 | huwr | How so? |
| 02:51.50 | learner | j/k .. usually it's an stl bug |
| 02:52.05 | learner | get confused with references to local references |
| 02:52.21 | huwr | So how would I go about starting to fix it? |
| 02:52.29 | learner | make sure you have a clean build |
| 02:52.37 | learner | from scratch |
| 02:52.41 | learner | for starters |
| 02:52.48 | learner | then send learner your build log when if fails |
| 02:52.55 | Noodleman | DTRemenak: hehe |
| 02:52.59 | huwr | Oh, sorry, no it has the asm error while it is compiling. |
| 02:53.10 | learner | yeah, I know |
| 02:53.19 | huwr | Okay. |
| 02:53.22 | huwr | Build log, eh? |
| 02:53.23 | learner | it's a known "issue" on the mac compilers for some systems for some reason |
| 02:53.29 | Nidhoggr | yay. the vioxx is kicking in. |
| 02:53.47 | learner | huwr: make distclean && ./autogen.sh |
| 02:53.54 | huwr | Yep |
| 02:53.57 | learner | then ./configure |
| 02:54.06 | huwr | Then ./configure with some kind of option that turns of kerberos? |
| 02:54.22 | orchid | Nidhoggr: vioxx is some sort of pill i assume? |
| 02:54.29 | learner | make -j2 2>&1 | tee build.log |
| 02:54.31 | Nidhoggr | orchid: for severe pain. |
| 02:54.39 | Nidhoggr | it's an anti-inflamatory. |
| 02:54.51 | orchid | ahh, then yay |
| 02:54.51 | Nidhoggr | fortunately no narcotics. |
| 02:54.57 | learner | heh |
| 02:55.01 | huwr | Should I bother updating from the latest cvs first? |
| 02:55.03 | DTRemenak | oh, but narcotics are so much more fun :) |
| 02:55.11 | learner | huwr, make distclean first .. then cvs update |
| 02:55.17 | huwr | okay |
| 02:55.25 | Nidhoggr | DTRemenak: I like to be able to drive if I need to. :) |
| 02:55.31 | learner | you need to build completely fresh for me to trust the log |
| 02:55.52 | huwr | Yep. |
| 02:56.12 | DTRemenak | Nidhoggr: you wouldn't feel the need to drive :) |
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| 02:56.37 | Nidhoggr | actually, it's bad enough to have to put up with muscle relaxers at night. |
| 02:56.57 | learner | depends how cute he/she is :) |
| 02:57.25 | Nidhoggr | hopefully they figure out what's wrong soon. they are testing for bone cancer first, which kinda freaked me out. |
| 02:57.41 | learner | well, a couple I got for my parents |
| 02:57.46 | learner | ~ww |
| 02:57.50 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 02:57.51 | jomojo | hi learner |
| 02:57.59 | learner | hello |
| 02:58.03 | jomojo | how goes? |
| 02:58.16 | learner | meh |
| 02:58.26 | orchid | Nidhoggr: its normal to test for the worst case first |
| 02:58.32 | jomojo | hi commie |
| 02:58.36 | jomojo | i guess |
| 02:58.39 | CommiesUnite | hehe |
| 02:58.58 | learner | jomojo, good day, bad evening, better night |
| 02:59.15 | jomojo | same @#!@ different day |
| 02:59.15 | Nidhoggr | orchid: yeah.. they are testing for it first because of a history of cancer, otherwise I'd not have freaked out so quickly. :) |
| 02:59.41 | jomojo | oh orchid can you record a match for me? |
| 02:59.53 | orchid | jomojo: i can |
| 03:00.07 | jomojo | alright TAA beat sleepy cow fans 4-2 |
| 03:01.01 | huwr | Cows live near me. |
| 03:01.03 | wrburns | does bzf need any help in the way of developers? |
| 03:01.04 | huwr | They're black, though. |
| 03:01.55 | orchid | jomojo: you gained 5 points |
| 03:02.02 | jomojo | yeah wow |
| 03:02.07 | jomojo | how excitng |
| 03:02.18 | jomojo | not my idea to match them i am just reporting |
| 03:02.23 | orchid | well every bit helps |
| 03:02.42 | jomojo | i don't feel it is even worth it really, if by some freak chance we lost it would costs us huge |
| 03:03.25 | orchid | but that can be interesting |
| 03:03.41 | DTRemenak | wrburns: if you're interested, there's plenty of room :) |
| 03:03.56 | orchid | we *alomst* lost to learners team once |
| 03:04.11 | wrburns | DTRemenak, I want to work on a project, but it seems like every app I've thought of has already been developed |
| 03:04.18 | learner | wrburns, patches are usually quite welcome if the idea is welcome first :) |
| 03:04.18 | huwr | I think someone should write a bzflag clone that goes in arcades. |
| 03:04.31 | wrburns | learner, Well, have a TODO list lying around? |
| 03:04.32 | learner | orchid: har har |
| 03:04.36 | DTRemenak | wrburns: there's a lot of reorganization that could go on with bz |
| 03:04.41 | DTRemenak | there's a TODO in the cvs |
| 03:04.47 | wrburns | OK let me check it then |
| 03:04.47 | learner | you were never close to loosing to bzr |
| 03:05.00 | learner | http://bzflag.bz/cvs/TODO |
| 03:05.19 | huwr | Has anyone fixed the OS X problem where you can't command-tab out of the application? |
| 03:05.31 | learner | fixed |
| 03:05.38 | huwr | Oh, noodles... |
| 03:05.59 | learner | you can minimize, run windowed |
| 03:06.04 | learner | all kinds of good stuff |
| 03:06.13 | huwr | What about the problem where I can't find my bzfs.conf file? |
| 03:06.18 | huwr | Like, it's not there. |
| 03:06.31 | learner | well, I can't help you if you can't find it, but bz can find it just fine :) |
| 03:06.39 | huwr | Ah. |
| 03:06.43 | huwr | Well... bum. |
| 03:06.49 | learner | it not there? |
| 03:06.57 | learner | it should be there in ~/.bzf/config |
| 03:07.05 | DTRemenak | hmmm, configure appears to prefer gcc rather insistently |
| 03:07.15 | learner | oh, bzfs.conf.. |
| 03:07.20 | learner | bzfs can find it just fine |
| 03:07.34 | learner | ./configure CC=cc |
| 03:07.51 | DTRemenak | ah, k |
| 03:08.01 | huwr | Oh... |
| 03:08.08 | huwr | I didn't realise config was a directory. |
| 03:08.16 | learner | huwr, only for the client |
| 03:08.21 | learner | the server config can be anywhere |
| 03:08.22 | huwr | Ah. |
| 03:08.24 | wrburns | will CVS run on the current servers? |
| 03:08.32 | huwr | Like, anywhere? How does it find it? |
| 03:08.33 | learner | huh? |
| 03:09.56 | huwr | So where is bzfs.conf then? Nothing will find it? Or doesn't it exist yet? |
| 03:10.33 | huwr | It's probably somewhere blindingly obvious... |
| 03:11.07 | learner | bzfs.conf is whereever you put it |
| 03:11.11 | learner | you decide |
| 03:11.18 | huwr | How democratic. |
| 03:11.22 | learner | put it on your desktop, whatever |
| 03:11.25 | learner | you tell bzfs where it is |
| 03:11.31 | huwr | Ah, yes. |
| 03:11.39 | huwr | So there is no example anywhere? |
| 03:12.21 | wrburns | lol you guys have a BeOS port? |
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| 03:12.37 | learner | the basics of it was finished |
| 03:12.46 | learner | there was some sound problem, but it was otherwise complete |
| 03:12.55 | wrburns | ah |
| 03:12.55 | DTRemenak | wrburns: there are very few platforms BZ will not run on |
| 03:12.58 | learner | with sdl, it should/could be completed too |
| 03:13.05 | learner | palm os! |
| 03:13.08 | wrburns | DTRemenak, Apparently not! |
| 03:13.12 | wrburns | haha |
| 03:13.24 | wrburns | any plans to port to N-Gage? ;) |
| 03:13.27 | learner | huwr, sure .. the man page has the documentation |
| 03:13.37 | DTRemenak | wrburns: you're more than welcome to try :) |
| 03:13.46 | wrburns | um, i'll pass ;) |
| 03:13.51 | huwr | learner, okay |
| 03:13.55 | learner | http://bzflag.bz/man/bzfs.html |
| 03:14.12 | huwr | Ah... nifty |
| 03:14.21 | learner | bzfs -conf ~/bzfs.conf |
| 03:15.38 | jomojo | hey learner who did you beat on tex back in March? |
| 03:15.51 | learner | no idea |
| 03:16.14 | jomojo | meh |
| 03:16.17 | jomojo | just curios |
| 03:16.24 | jomojo | curious |
| 03:16.28 | learner | sucks to be rusty :) |
| 03:16.32 | jomojo | yeah |
| 03:16.49 | jomojo | lowtop and i are convinced that once you get the rust off you can beat us |
| 03:16.51 | huwr | This compilation is going well. Maybe it won't bjork out this time. |
| 03:17.00 | learner | you guys were good shots |
| 03:17.06 | learner | lowtop can some interesting moves |
| 03:17.20 | learner | reminded me of dabby |
| 03:17.42 | learner | bet he sucks on rico like dabby too :) |
| 03:17.46 | jomojo | yeah |
| 03:17.50 | jomojo | exactly |
| 03:18.02 | jomojo | give him an open field he is better give me the ricos and i am better |
| 03:18.12 | learner | I'm better on rico |
| 03:18.16 | jomojo | i noticed |
| 03:18.40 | learner | the long shooters on a busy field *cough*bzg*cough* are dangerous to my attentions :) |
| 03:18.49 | huwr | There we go. it just bjorked out again... |
| 03:18.54 | DTRemenak | learner: did you ever look into not including libregex.a in libcommon.a? |
| 03:19.01 | DTRemenak | sun's ar complains about it too |
| 03:19.04 | jomojo | yeah no kidding they hide behind something and snipe away at you |
| 03:19.23 | learner | DTRemenak, i discovered a gcc flag that will save the day for the mac builds and make that not necessary any more :) |
| 03:19.28 | orchid | jomojo & learner boo hoo :) |
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| 03:19.41 | DTRemenak | learner: coolness. that will be nice to get rid of :) |
| 03:19.57 | learner | though it should be "possible" .. libtool would "do it right" |
| 03:20.06 | learner | libtool would be nice.. |
| 03:20.10 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:20.39 | learner | i don't mind the tactic -- it's quite effective and clever :) |
| 03:20.42 | learner | more power to them :) |
| 03:20.55 | learner | keeps me on my toes :) |
| 03:21.07 | CIA-4 | libIRC: 03jeffm2501 * 10libirc/TODO: one down n-1 to go |
| 03:21.09 | learner | or hunting them down after the 5th kill |
| 03:21.23 | learner | which is usually useless |
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| 03:37.10 | DTRemenak | Octree.h:35: syntax error before numeric constant |
| 03:38.13 | DTRemenak | dammit, WHO used "sun" as a variable name! |
| 03:38.22 | learner | heh |
| 03:38.49 | learner | that would be my guess too :) |
| 03:42.27 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/scene/ (Octree.cxx Octree.h): "sun" is a reserved word on Solaris systems, rename the variable |
| 03:43.47 | trepan | heh, "sun" is reserved? and to think that i was pissed to find out that C++ reserved "new" and "delete" |
| 03:43.50 | sn0w_kitty | name da variable "poOky" |
| 03:44.10 | sn0w_kitty | heehe |
| 03:44.21 | DTRemenak | trepan: yeah, it's reserved :) |
| 03:44.49 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:44.55 | DTRemenak | I just renamed it to sunDir |
| 03:44.59 | trepan | back to the treads... |
| 03:45.20 | trepan_away | DTRemenak: thx =) |
| 03:45.31 | learner | ~kittysnak |
| 03:45.37 | sn0w_kitty | =) |
| 03:46.03 | sn0w_kitty | learner: thanx |
| 03:47.03 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/scene/ZSceneDatabase.cxx: more sun madness |
| 03:48.40 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/scene/ZSceneDatabase.cxx: oops, missed one |
| 03:52.11 | sn0w_kitty | mmmm |
| 03:52.24 | sn0w_kitty | strawberry flavored |
| 03:52.26 | sn0w_kitty | ;) |
| 03:57.36 | DTRemenak | crap, I just completely missed a class, got distracted messing with this Sun :) |
| 03:57.47 | learner | w00t :) |
| 03:57.54 | learner | first of many.. tis a good thing |
| 03:58.03 | huwr | learner, do you know if I've done something wrong or is it something less superficial? |
| 03:58.11 | DTRemenak | hehe :) |
| 04:01.15 | learner | egads |
| 04:01.30 | huwr | oh, dear. |
| 04:01.32 | learner | it's getting confused _somewhere_ in bzfs's parse() |
| 04:01.45 | learner | it's nothing you've done wrong |
| 04:01.50 | learner | just a confused compiler for some reason |
| 04:02.11 | huwr | my brother said that it could be some assembly code, but he didn't look at it for more than a second. |
| 04:02.41 | learner | it is assembly code |
| 04:02.51 | learner | in the stl string implementation |
| 04:02.58 | learner | which is used pretty much everywhere |
| 04:03.21 | learner | ooh, good point though |
| 04:03.22 | huwr | Doesn't that make it platform specific though? |
| 04:03.28 | learner | it's not used in parse() much |
| 04:03.31 | learner | no no |
| 04:03.38 | learner | bz doesn't use any assemly |
| 04:03.50 | learner | it's the compiler's C library code |
| 04:04.00 | huwr | Ah. |
| 04:04.14 | learner | hence why I was saying it's a compiler issue really |
| 04:04.18 | learner | it's just getting confused |
| 04:04.32 | learner | i think I know what might do it though |
| 04:05.43 | learner | try this |
| 04:06.00 | learner | http://bzflag.bz/cvs/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx |
| 04:06.10 | learner | copy that to your src/bzfs dir and run make again |
| 04:06.30 | learner | if that doesn't work, I can try one more thing |
| 04:06.36 | huwr | Okay |
| 04:07.46 | huwr | Off it goesd. |
| 04:09.52 | huwr | There seems to be the same error. |
| 04:10.23 | learner | k, trying second fix |
| 04:13.01 | learner | try it again, same file |
| 04:13.14 | huwr | try it again? |
| 04:13.18 | Pimpinella | good morning |
| 04:13.20 | huwr | No changes? |
| 04:13.29 | learner | there are changes |
| 04:13.33 | huwr | Ah. |
| 04:13.34 | learner | same url |
| 04:13.36 | huwr | Yep. |
| 04:14.48 | huwr | It's doing things like CustomPyramid or CustomCone, or CustomSphere each time I do this, I notice now. |
| 04:15.08 | PrezKennedy | http://s6.invisionfree.com/Graphic_MUD/ |
| 04:15.10 | huwr | It changes from each one to another. Maybe it's making progress? |
| 04:15.15 | huwr | Does that make sense? |
| 04:15.22 | PrezKennedy | im pretty lenient about what games i actually add |
| 04:15.29 | PrezKennedy | but one requirement is that something exists |
| 04:15.33 | learner | you're just typing "make" right? |
| 04:15.50 | huwr | Yep |
| 04:15.52 | learner | not make -j2 |
| 04:15.56 | huwr | Ah. |
| 04:15.58 | huwr | Yeah |
| 04:16.03 | huwr | That's a problem. |
| 04:16.27 | learner | your log was failing on CmdLineOptions |
| 04:16.40 | huwr | no wonder, then. |
| 04:16.47 | learner | and it shouldn't need to keep recompiling Custom* |
| 04:16.57 | huwr | let's try with 'make'? |
| 04:17.26 | learner | let's |
| 04:17.40 | learner | winner gets to kiss you? |
| 04:17.43 | DTRemenak | looks like solaris/gcc works now :) |
| 04:17.54 | learner | eeek, how's that for a ~ww |
| 04:18.08 | huwr | I was wondering... |
| 04:18.26 | huwr | Kabloom. |
| 04:18.44 | PrezKennedy | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 04:18.48 | PrezKennedy | http://osgaming.net/modules/frozen_bubble/highscores.php |
| 04:18.58 | huwr | Seems to be the same issue again. |
| 04:19.06 | PrezKennedy | learner you better get back in there and retake the top |
| 04:19.10 | learner | NNnnnnnoooooooo... |
| 04:19.34 | learner | he got lucky on 37 |
| 04:19.46 | learner | i almost did |
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| 04:22.24 | heinola | does bzflag use sdl currently |
| 04:22.31 | learner | current cvs does |
| 04:22.40 | learner | not 1.10.x, though |
| 04:22.50 | learner | huwr, same file? |
| 04:23.09 | huwr | CmdLineOptions.cxx, even though I did 'make' |
| 04:23.10 | heinola | not the stable then |
| 04:23.17 | Pimpinella | wrburns: toaster asked you to stop expressions like "idiot", "SHIT", "carefuk", "fuckage". Then you decided to try making him ridiculous...results in a ban for me... |
| 04:23.54 | sn0w_kitty | <learner> winner gets to kiss you? |
| 04:24.00 | sn0w_kitty | lol! |
| 04:24.12 | sn0w_kitty | ;) |
| 04:24.18 | sn0w_kitty | =x |
| 04:24.31 | learner | =x |
| 04:24.36 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.54 | heinola | so there is going to be a change to sdl in bzflag ? if i read that right |
| 04:25.15 | learner | heinola, once all the platforms are verified and the bugs are worked out |
| 04:25.26 | learner | 1.12 will be the first test |
| 04:25.29 | heinola | ok cool |
| 04:25.35 | heinola | that will be nice |
| 04:25.35 | learner | s/first / |
| 04:25.50 | heinola | gl witht he debuging |
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| 04:26.25 | heinola | im just starting the learning procces for C based lingo |
| 04:27.13 | sn0w_kitty | wut happend pimpi? |
| 04:27.26 | sn0w_kitty | bad words =P |
| 04:27.37 | Patlabor221 | actualy untill platform is changed, windows won't use SDL |
| 04:27.52 | Pimpinella | troublemakers complain about bad admins who baned them ;) |
| 04:28.02 | sn0w_kitty | o |
| 04:28.20 | heinola | 586 |
| 04:28.35 | heinola | opps nm |
| 04:30.13 | heinola | i run mostly linux noo and days |
| 04:30.44 | heinola | gn all |
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| 04:35.12 | shorty114 | can anyone recommend an FTP server that is free, fast, small and open-source? |
| 04:35.33 | shorty114 | or just an FTP server that's open-source and runs on *nix or OS X? |
| 04:35.49 | orange | pure-ftpd has been mentioned as good |
| 04:35.54 | huwr | OS X comes with an ftpd. |
| 04:36.14 | Patlabor221 | wny not ssh? |
| 04:36.19 | shorty114 | ftp server |
| 04:36.23 | shorty114 | for downloads |
| 04:36.30 | Patlabor221 | yeah ssh |
| 04:36.43 | Patlabor221 | ohh your gonna host warez, got it |
| 04:36.50 | huwr | Oh. |
| 04:36.58 | huwr | OS X comes with an ftp server. No worries. |
| 04:38.31 | learner | huwr, same file? |
| 04:38.35 | learner | that failed |
| 04:38.43 | huwr | Yeah. |
| 04:38.46 | huwr | It did. |
| 04:38.58 | shorty114 | huwr: yes, but it's limited to the system users and the hard drive. |
| 04:39.08 | shorty114 | huwr: i want an ftp servers for hosting downloads |
| 04:39.18 | learner | huwr, try again |
| 04:39.21 | shorty114 | orange: thx, pure-ftpd looks really nice :) |
| 04:39.23 | huwr | Okay... |
| 04:39.30 | orange | shorty114: sure thing |
| 04:39.51 | learner | shorty114, you can set up anonymous ftp easily enough |
| 04:39.57 | learner | with the system ftpd |
| 04:40.04 | huwr | learner, you made changes? |
| 04:40.06 | shorty114 | learner: yes, probably |
| 04:40.11 | learner | huwr, yes |
| 04:40.17 | shorty114 | learner: but how do i set the base dir? |
| 04:40.23 | learner | shorty114, not probably -- definately, i've done it |
| 04:41.01 | learner | you tell ftpd that's your root |
| 04:41.07 | shorty114 | how?: |
| 04:41.10 | learner | google up some anonymous ftp bsd tutorial |
| 04:41.23 | learner | there should even be one for os x |
| 04:41.28 | learner | as a walkthrough |
| 04:41.36 | learner | I've seen a couple |
| 04:42.01 | learner | you'll even end up with a secure anonymous ftp |
| 04:42.28 | learner | at least as secure as you're going to get with that |
| 04:42.51 | learner | huwr, how's that? |
| 04:43.35 | huwr | Trying now. |
| 04:44.03 | huwr | There are warnings. |
| 04:44.08 | huwr | But it did it. |
| 04:44.15 | learner | k |
| 04:44.18 | learner | isolated then |
| 04:44.28 | learner | lemme binary search this then.. |
| 04:45.18 | huwr | Did you want me to show you the warnings? |
| 04:45.25 | learner | no |
| 04:45.30 | huwr | it's a couple of unused variables and stuff. |
| 04:45.38 | learner | try it again |
| 04:46.33 | huwr | It's working so far. |
| 04:47.38 | learner | k, worked? |
| 04:47.59 | huwr | I've only got an iMac, wait for it. :P |
| 04:48.16 | learner | bzadmin must be compiling |
| 04:48.32 | learner | which means it worked |
| 04:48.56 | huwr | w00t! |
| 04:49.01 | learner | try again now |
| 04:49.31 | huwr | try what again? |
| 04:49.40 | learner | same file |
| 04:49.41 | huwr | It hasn't compiled fully yet. |
| 04:49.51 | learner | mmm |
| 04:50.07 | shorty114 | patience is essential, learner :) |
| 04:50.09 | learner | shoulda cd'd to bzfs |
| 04:50.42 | huwr | So when this either fails or no, I should retry it again with another updated thingie? |
| 04:50.47 | shorty114 | wow long ./configure for pure-ftpd |
| 04:51.06 | learner | it probably didn't fail if it's taking this long |
| 04:51.19 | learner | and yes.. try again with the new update |
| 04:51.30 | learner | the update _should_ fail if I've narrowed it down |
| 04:51.55 | huwr | So it should fail next time? Okay... |
| 04:52.17 | huwr | But won't it just go all "There is nothing to be done" or does it some how know that I've changed the files? |
| 04:52.34 | learner | it's magic |
| 04:52.36 | learner | it knows |
| 04:52.39 | huwr | Ah. |
| 04:52.40 | huwr | Nifty. |
| 04:53.02 | learner | if you cd to src/bzfs |
| 04:53.17 | learner | you can just: curl -O http://bzflag.bz/cvs/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx |
| 04:53.24 | learner | and then "make" right there |
| 04:53.25 | huwr | Ah, okay. |
| 04:54.05 | Nidhoggr | http://www.noghri.net/uploads/SEP_EHZ_UW.2004092712.gif |
| 04:54.11 | Nidhoggr | she's gunna blow! :) |
| 04:54.39 | Patlabor221 | what is that? |
| 04:54.50 | Nidhoggr | seismo for mt st helens |
| 04:54.52 | shorty114 | earthquake? |
| 04:54.54 | shorty114 | oh |
| 04:54.55 | shorty114 | lol |
| 04:55.08 | shorty114 | i heard about that on the news a few days ago... |
| 04:55.14 | Nidhoggr | it's getting worse. |
| 04:55.24 | shorty114 | good thign i don't live near it :) |
| 04:55.39 | shorty114 | besides...i thought they said there was nothing to worry about... |
| 04:55.45 | Nidhoggr | it's pretty amazing. |
| 04:55.50 | shorty114 | yes |
| 04:55.54 | huwr | shorty114, that's what they want you to think! |
| 04:56.08 | shorty114 | huwr: well, i'm not a volcanic expert or anything... |
| 04:56.30 | shorty114 | g2g |
| 04:56.33 | shorty114 | bye everyone |
| 04:56.36 | shorty114 | and thx again orange |
| 05:00.55 | learner | could i get a ping time avg on 66.225.201.10 from some folks? |
| 05:01.23 | learner | huwr, results? |
| 05:01.47 | Nidhoggr | pinging now, learner |
| 05:01.48 | huwr | 257.274ms |
| 05:02.09 | learner | huwr, i meant compile results from you |
| 05:02.14 | huwr | Ah |
| 05:02.18 | huwr | It's still going on the first one. |
| 05:02.25 | learner | jeesh |
| 05:02.39 | learner | that's right.. server, client, bzadmin |
| 05:02.47 | huwr | I could cd to /src/bzfs and do it straight there, but won't that break it? |
| 05:02.55 | Nidhoggr | 50 packets transmitted, 50 received, 0% loss, time 49102ms |
| 05:02.55 | Nidhoggr | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 90.840/91.282/91.752/0.363 ms |
| 05:03.02 | learner | no it'll work fine |
| 05:03.32 | huwr | Australia... |
| 05:03.47 | huwr | I've got quite a bit of traffic happening, too. |
| 05:03.53 | learner | ahh, only 325 or less guarantee to there |
| 05:04.19 | huwr | huh? |
| 05:04.27 | learner | nvr mind |
| 05:04.28 | huwr | Really? |
| 05:05.02 | learner | i'm looking at host networks, thats there SLA guarantee |
| 05:05.13 | learner | looks like it's true |
| 05:05.20 | huwr | fair enough. |
| 05:05.23 | learner | which means this is good for europe and us |
| 05:05.41 | learner | < 150 for europe, < 115 for US |
| 05:06.37 | huwr | Fair enough. |
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| 05:08.22 | orange | 33.5ms avg over 50 packets for me, learner |
| 05:08.44 | learner | i'd suspect the .ca folks are fastest :) |
| 05:08.56 | learner | unless you live up north us |
| 05:09.09 | orange | I'm in the south, y'all |
| 05:09.56 | learner | really? interesting |
| 05:10.06 | orange | atlanta, ga |
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| 05:14.24 | huwr | Ouch. My mate's computer in Perth is getting 504.213 |
| 05:14.31 | huwr | w00t. Compiling complete. |
| 05:14.59 | sgk284 | anyone know how long ago tepan was on? |
| 05:15.04 | sgk284 | trepan* |
| 05:15.16 | orange | ~seen trepan |
| 05:15.17 | ibot | trepan <~trepan@trepan.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1h 30m 18s ago, saying: 'back to the treads...'. |
| 05:15.39 | sgk284 | thx orange heh i forgot about ibot |
| 05:16.53 | PrezKennedy | well learner, i worked on OSG today |
| 05:18.09 | trepan | sgk284: ? |
| 05:18.24 | trepan | ... and if it's bad, i didn't do it |
| 05:18.31 | sgk284 | lol nah nothing bad |
| 05:18.36 | sgk284 | no bug reports or anything heh |
| 05:18.54 | learner | wow, PrezKennedy.. :) |
| 05:19.01 | huwr | I thought he was shot. |
| 05:19.16 | sgk284 | just was looking at your screenies and was just wondering how that work is coming along |
| 05:19.24 | huwr | learner, looks like you found the problem. After curling like you said the error came back up again. |
| 05:19.34 | learner | excellent, sorta |
| 05:19.39 | huwr | Well, yeah. |
| 05:19.42 | huwr | :) |
| 05:20.08 | trepan | sgk284: not too badly, been playing around with some tank animation this week |
| 05:20.42 | sgk284 | i was thinking maybe we could give the tanks animated treads |
| 05:21.11 | trepan | sgk284: see the reply from orange's ibot query? |
| 05:21.26 | trepan | they're already animated, just need to make 'em look proper |
| 05:21.45 | trepan | ... and cleanup some display list junk in the process |
| 05:21.47 | sgk284 | oh wow haha you read my mind |
| 05:21.50 | learner | huwr, again please? |
| 05:21.54 | huwr | okay |
| 05:22.21 | learner | sorry for all the recompiles.. I'm otherwise just guessing since I don't get the problem here |
| 05:22.23 | sgk284 | if you send it to cvs tonight let me know:) |
| 05:22.41 | trepan | sgk284: the junky version has been in there since last night |
| 05:22.42 | huwr | hrm... with this one that built before, do I just copy it into the bzflag.app package and it should run? |
| 05:22.57 | trepan | sgk284: real version proly won't hit anon cvs for another day or two |
| 05:23.02 | learner | this shall definately be "trepan's release" or something :) |
| 05:23.02 | huwr | learner, the latest changes still give an error. |
| 05:23.09 | learner | really? .. hrm |
| 05:23.39 | learner | I wonder.. |
| 05:23.41 | learner | try again |
| 05:24.00 | huwr | k |
| 05:24.47 | huwr | That latest one still has the asm error. |
| 05:24.49 | learner | ooooh |
| 05:24.52 | learner | hrm |
| 05:26.42 | learner | again please |
| 05:26.56 | huwr | k |
| 05:28.01 | huwr | The error is still there. |
| 05:28.04 | learner | f!f!F! |
| 05:28.57 | learner | again? |
| 05:29.24 | huwr | okay |
| 05:30.31 | huwr | Ah ha! |
| 05:30.40 | huwr | A different kind of error |
| 05:30.50 | learner | bah, syntax probably |
| 05:30.54 | huwr | CmdLineOptions.cxx:798: error: `args2' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 05:31.13 | learner | okay, again |
| 05:32.08 | huwr | still with the error |
| 05:32.09 | learner | extremely insanely remote debugging |
| 05:32.40 | learner | okay, this has gotta work |
| 05:33.03 | huwr | ready? |
| 05:33.05 | learner | yea |
| 05:33.19 | learner | erm yea :) |
| 05:34.13 | huwr | No. |
| 05:34.15 | huwr | I did now. |
| 05:34.30 | learner | sorry, file wasn't saved |
| 05:34.34 | huwr | heh |
| 05:35.27 | huwr | hrm... |
| 05:35.31 | huwr | No luck this time. |
| 05:35.45 | learner | eh? |
| 05:35.57 | learner | i'm back to where we started |
| 05:36.12 | learner | save two declaration lines |
| 05:36.27 | learner | same asm error? |
| 05:36.32 | huwr | hrm? The build log? |
| 05:36.42 | huwr | same asm error, as far as I can see. |
| 05:37.23 | learner | once more to be complete, if you would |
| 05:37.36 | huwr | curl it again and stuff? |
| 05:37.44 | learner | yeah |
| 05:38.33 | huwr | No change. |
| 05:38.39 | learner | wierd |
| 05:38.59 | learner | again please |
| 05:39.20 | huwr | k |
| 05:40.18 | huwr | Still with the error... |
| 05:40.41 | learner | woah, that i'm not beleiving.. |
| 05:41.33 | learner | make sure the asm error says something about "parse" |
| 05:41.45 | huwr | Yeah. |
| 05:41.52 | huwr | parse(int, char**, CmdLineOptions&, bool)': |
| 05:42.50 | learner | well, here's the last version again .. this is where we were a while back that worked |
| 05:43.48 | learner | the offending sections are completely gone from the file |
| 05:44.04 | huwr | Really? |
| 05:44.10 | learner | still fails? |
| 05:44.17 | learner | recurled? |
| 05:44.18 | huwr | Yeah. |
| 05:44.24 | huwr | I'll try once more. |
| 05:45.15 | learner | if that's no good, then I'm stumped for now -- regardless, enough of your time, albeit very appreciated |
| 05:45.29 | huwr | That's okay. |
| 05:45.46 | huwr | Heh |
| 05:46.13 | learner | did it work? |
| 05:46.23 | huwr | Nope. |
| 05:46.48 | learner | so odd |
| 05:47.15 | huwr | Does anyone else get the same error or is it just me? |
| 05:47.17 | learner | there are no more std::strings in use directly.. and it worked in one of the intermediate stats |
| 05:47.33 | learner | i think there was another imac guy who had a similar problem |
| 05:47.46 | learner | haven't been able to reproduce otherwise |
| 05:48.03 | learner | and he was worthless in terms of debugging .. |
| 05:48.06 | learner | you've been quite helpful |
| 05:48.11 | learner | even if it wasn't fixed |
| 05:48.15 | huwr | Thank you. |
| 05:49.13 | learner | thanks to you really -- it's rather fscking frustrating to have a problem like that that I can't reproduce faithfully or even deterministically enough to fix |
| 05:49.54 | huwr | I do programming at school, I guess I can say that I know the feeling. |
| 05:50.05 | learner | last time I saw that problem was over a year ago -- and it was a bug in the stl headers |
| 05:50.50 | huwr | it could also be a bug in atomicity.h:65... |
| 05:51.02 | learner | it's not exactly tied to versions of gcc, though I have heard that a good ol' gcc_select to a different version usually fixes are provokes the problem |
| 05:51.17 | learner | it is, in a way |
| 05:51.30 | learner | that's related to the stl implementation directly |
| 05:51.50 | learner | used to make some of the stl operations atomic |
| 05:52.02 | learner | for things like guaranteeing thread safeness |
| 05:52.18 | huwr | hrm... |
| 05:52.29 | learner | all low-level behind-the-scenes stuff |
| 05:52.54 | learner | implementation details of apple/gnu's ppc/stl headers |
| 05:53.44 | huwr | I'd better be off now. See ya. :) |
| 05:56.19 | learner | thanks again |
| 05:56.29 | learner | btw, we're not the only ones with this problem apparently |
| 05:56.34 | learner | http://www.google.com/search?q=/usr/include/gcc/darwin/3.3/c%2B%2B/ppc-darwin/bits/atomicity.h:65:+error:+%60asm'operand+requires+impossible+reload&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 05:57.13 | learner | people have gotten around it by 1) editing their system header file (bad), and 2) changing build optimization options |
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| 06:09.43 | sgk284 | hey i have to go to sleep, but let me mention real quick that i just compile from cvs and keyboard doesnt work during game play, even when forced to keyboard in options, during menu selection it does work |
| 06:10.02 | sgk284 | last time there was a problem like this, it was an uninited var |
| 06:10.19 | sgk284 | just thought i'd throw it out there for a dev:) |
| 06:10.43 | sgk284 | trepan however said his keyboard worked fine :/ not sure if we had the same version of cvs though |
| 06:10.59 | trepan | you using SDL or non-SDL? |
| 06:11.05 | sgk284 | sdl |
| 06:11.32 | trepan | thx, same here |
| 06:11.42 | sgk284 | night |
| 06:11.57 | trepan | ciao |
| 06:50.59 | learner | that only took what.. |
| 06:51.10 | learner | 4 months? |
| 06:51.17 | learner | maybe 3 |
| 07:40.05 | PrezKennedy | bout time |
| 07:40.15 | PrezKennedy | so when will you be open for business learner? |
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| 08:02.59 | newbie_dont | ~d |
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| 08:28.13 | bomber_ | moin |
| 08:36.02 | bomber_ | what about efficiency column (points/numb_of_match) in team evaluation on http://www.bzflag.org/league/ page |
| 08:41.35 | Chestal | bomber: that's not really a useful number because you do not accumulate points |
| 08:43.31 | Chestal | a graph might be nice, showing how the rating developed over time |
| 08:50.49 | bomber_ | hmmm |
| 08:51.46 | bomber_ | but its harder to play few games against hard teams compare to many against weaker |
| 08:57.35 | Chestal | this should level out in the long run; of course it would be best if there would be a good mix in opponents |
| 08:58.03 | Chestal | normally a team should play other teams with a somewhat similar rating |
| 09:08.32 | Chestal | willkommen |
| 09:08.34 | Chestal | oops |
| 09:09.02 | newbie_dont | ? |
| 09:09.06 | newbie_dont | :) |
| 09:18.44 | Pimpinella | bomber_: teams with high rating have much more problems finding a match with much points to win than a weaker one |
| 09:20.30 | Pimpinella | if dub plays how, dub can win lots of points, but how could even play vbz and it would remain a cheap match |
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| 10:07.14 | bomber_ | ok ..the graph would be than better....as chestal already mentioned |
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| 10:53.15 | Phonica | hey peeps |
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| 11:50.36 | amathis_ZzZ | ello' all |
