| 00:00.21 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c5b-b-192.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 00:09.00 | Patlabor221 | whoot, server side rain :) |
| 00:14.04 | blast007_ | cool :) |
| 00:15.55 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:15.55 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: make rain change when bzdb items change. |
| 00:15.55 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: make rain items be global and be set by the server |
| 00:16.36 | blast007_ | so, are there going to be weather zones too, or not decided yet? |
| 00:16.50 | Patlabor221 | I'm not going to do them yet |
| 00:16.53 | blast007_ | k |
| 00:16.55 | Patlabor221 | still much to be done on this weather |
| 00:17.06 | Patlabor221 | I'll wait till it's all good with this |
| 00:17.28 | Patlabor221 | there are other uses for zones too, so probably shoudl work it into a fullbown zone featureset |
| 00:18.02 | blast007_ | ok, looking awesome so far |
| 00:18.10 | Patlabor221 | but it's not fast |
| 00:18.14 | Patlabor221 | it needs to be fast |
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| 00:19.09 | blast007_ | yeah, think I was getting about 18FPS on a P4 2.4 with a GeForce 2 MX |
| 00:19.24 | blast007_ | 1024x768 |
| 00:19.37 | Patlabor221 | it'll be better now |
| 00:19.43 | Patlabor221 | it at least uses lists now |
| 00:19.45 | blast007_ | haven't tried it on my home computer yet |
| 00:21.04 | Patlabor221 | I should have the culling done soon |
| 00:21.16 | Patlabor221 | that should help speed it up |
| 00:21.45 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): smarter color parsing |
| 00:21.50 | trepan | a few color formats: 3 floats, 4 floats, name, and name + alpha float value |
| 00:21.58 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 00:22.15 | trepan | might also add #AABBCC / #aabbccdd, but doesn't seem to be much reason |
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| 00:22.43 | trepan | also need to fill in more color names... |
| 00:23.00 | Patlabor221 | if you can't divide by 256 you should not be seting colors :) |
| 00:23.01 | trepan | makes the map stuff so much nicer :) |
| 00:23.17 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 00:25.39 | Patlabor221 | building bzfs for linux now, gonna try to set up a server that has rain |
| 00:25.46 | Patlabor221 | that is public |
| 00:26.09 | DTRemenak | heh, you're gonna beat me to it :) |
| 00:26.17 | Patlabor221 | well I dono |
| 00:26.21 | Patlabor221 | this isn't that fast :) |
| 00:26.28 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 00:26.33 | Patlabor221 | well yeah I may beat you |
| 00:26.42 | Patlabor221 | 2.4 gig p4 |
| 00:26.46 | DTRemenak | which is also installing GDB at the same time |
| 00:26.49 | Patlabor221 | on a T1 |
| 00:27.58 | Patlabor221 | you should try _rainType particle |
| 00:28.02 | trepan | Patlabor221: mind if i switch your evalTriplet()'s over? |
| 00:28.10 | Patlabor221 | have at it |
| 00:28.12 | DTRemenak | this is on a connection fast enough that the hard drive is slower than the network :) |
| 00:28.26 | Patlabor221 | that's nice |
| 00:28.36 | Patlabor221 | the CPU is probably slower then the connection ;) |
| 00:28.51 | DTRemenak | yeah. it's faster to download things uncompressed than trying to decompress them :) |
| 00:28.57 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 00:29.33 | DTRemenak | very strange feeling after being on ultra-crappy dialup :) |
| 00:36.00 | Patlabor221 | it's running |
| 00:36.03 | DTRemenak | hm. wonder if I could set up mingw as a distcc client for that box. |
| 00:36.11 | Patlabor221 | myth.bakadigital.com:5154 |
| 00:44.09 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/ (bzflag/WeatherRenderer.cxx common/global.cxx): forgot the texture vars |
| 00:49.48 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/common/ParseColor.cxx: compile\! |
| 00:50.55 | bryjen | escape\! |
| 00:51.01 | DTRemenak | whoops :) |
| 00:51.46 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/common.vcproj: new files! |
| 00:53.32 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/common/ParseColor.cxx: compile on vc! |
| 00:54.28 | bryjen | excitable, ain't he? ;) |
| 00:54.38 | DTRemenak | yup! |
| 00:55.33 | trepan | Patlabor221: i just noticed that you don't seem to use puddleColor, and possibly others |
| 00:55.52 | Patlabor221 | I should |
| 00:56.04 | trepan | or maybe they're just not updated |
| 00:56.09 | trepan | or maybe i'm drunk |
| 00:56.17 | trepan | or colorblind, ya, that's probably it |
| 00:56.24 | Patlabor221 | if (dbItemSet("_rainPuddleColor")) |
| 00:56.24 | Patlabor221 | BZDB.evalTriplet("_rainPuddleColor",puddleColor); |
| 00:56.43 | Patlabor221 | OpenGLMaterial puddleMaterial(puddleColor, puddleColor, 0.0f); |
| 00:56.44 | Patlabor221 | puddleGStateBuilder.setMaterial(puddleMaterial); |
| 00:56.44 | Patlabor221 | puddleState = puddleGStateBuilder.getState(); |
| 00:56.54 | Patlabor221 | it should be all updated |
| 00:57.07 | Patlabor221 | _rainPuddleTexture was missing fromt he globals list |
| 00:57.57 | Patlabor221 | tho that update won't set the state I see now :) |
| 00:58.47 | DTRemenak | Patlabor221: snow looks strange drawn on top of teleporters |
| 00:59.04 | DTRemenak | when it's falling behind them |
| 00:59.13 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/WeatherRenderer.cxx: set the material AFTER the puddle color is overiden |
| 00:59.17 | Patlabor221 | they don't set anything in the z buffer |
| 00:59.26 | Patlabor221 | same thing happens when it goes behind the ground |
| 00:59.41 | trepan | Patlabor221: why not? |
| 00:59.42 | Patlabor221 | I'm thinking about taking a Z buffer only pass on the gruond and the TPs to fix that |
| 00:59.53 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 00:59.57 | Patlabor221 | trepan, are they not stenceled? |
| 01:00.18 | Patlabor221 | none of the particles actualy write to the depth buffer, but they test it |
| 01:00.32 | trepan | that's not the stencil |
| 01:00.40 | trepan | zbuffer != stencil |
| 01:00.46 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 01:00.53 | Patlabor221 | sorry meant stipple |
| 01:00.54 | trepan | it's an entirely separate comparison mechanism |
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| 01:01.07 | Patlabor221 | they are stippled so I don't think they do buffer writes when they are drawn |
| 01:01.12 | Patlabor221 | unless you chanted that |
| 01:01.12 | trepan | stipple is used for shadows mostly |
| 01:01.17 | Patlabor221 | just like the shadows |
| 01:01.21 | Patlabor221 | then I dono |
| 01:01.22 | trepan | and to fake blending if you have low quality |
| 01:01.28 | Patlabor221 | ja |
| 01:01.43 | Patlabor221 | shadows do it to get over the shaddow overlap |
| 01:01.50 | Patlabor221 | thought TP Fileds did the same |
| 01:01.57 | Patlabor221 | so they wouldn't have to be sorted |
| 01:02.14 | trepan | they are sorted |
| 01:02.23 | Patlabor221 | do the do depth writes? |
| 01:02.28 | trepan | actually, they are currently mesh faces |
| 01:03.07 | Patlabor221 | tho I am drawing AFTER them |
| 01:03.18 | Patlabor221 | so that would screw up the ordering |
| 01:03.28 | Patlabor221 | they should actualy be drawn after me |
| 01:03.45 | Patlabor221 | since you'd want them to alpha on top of the drop |
| 01:04.06 | DTRemenak | what if the drop is between you and the teleporter |
| 01:04.24 | Patlabor221 | then it's ok to draw it after the teleporter |
| 01:04.34 | Patlabor221 | for proper transperancy you need to draw from back to front |
| 01:04.47 | Patlabor221 | since you can't draw something semi transperant "Behind" something |
| 01:04.52 | Patlabor221 | the buffers don't work that way |
| 01:05.47 | Patlabor221 | that' when you are seeing a snowflake thru a TP, it's not being shaded |
| 01:06.03 | Patlabor221 | it's because the TP was drawn first |
| 01:06.10 | Patlabor221 | tho that means it's NOT doing depth writes |
| 01:07.03 | Patlabor221 | hmm maybe I should do the enviroment before the main render loop? |
| 01:07.17 | Patlabor221 | trepan, where? |
| 01:07.20 | Patlabor221 | I try to find them |
| 01:07.25 | Patlabor221 | but VC dosnt' seem to warn on them |
| 01:07.28 | Patlabor221 | wonder if I can turn it on |
| 01:07.34 | DTRemenak | yay, it finished |
| 01:07.41 | trepan | turning it on would be a good thing if possible |
| 01:07.49 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/WeatherRenderer.cxx: improve weather color parsing |
| 01:07.51 | DTRemenak | killall bzfs && bzfs-start |
| 01:07.53 | DTRemenak | whoops |
| 01:08.40 | bryjen | killall: no process bzfs |
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| 01:09.06 | a_monkey | 'ey guys, |
| 01:09.29 | a_monkey | there's private servers up and running thru 1.12.0 right? |
| 01:09.48 | DTRemenak | trepan (or other nixish person): can you look at a core dump for me? gdb is not cooperating - claims there are no symbols. tried building a newer gdb, but won't compile. |
| 01:09.57 | Patlabor221 | a_monkey, there is no 1.12.0 version |
| 01:10.15 | a_monkey | well whats the latest version of bzfs |
| 01:10.20 | blast007_ | 1.11 |
| 01:10.30 | a_monkey | oh |
| 01:10.33 | blast007_ | 1.11.20 I think is the current |
| 01:10.50 | Patlabor221 | it won't be 1.12 till it's done |
| 01:10.56 | DTRemenak | http://131.215.170.125/bzfs.core |
| 01:10.58 | Patlabor221 | and yes there are servers for it right now |
| 01:10.59 | Patlabor221 | not many |
| 01:11.00 | Patlabor221 | but some |
| 01:11.07 | a_monkey | k |
| 01:11.16 | Patlabor221 | we have to test somehow |
| 01:13.03 | a_monkey | so, DTRemenak, what the heck do i do with this file? |
| 01:13.23 | DTRemenak | a_monkey: it's not for you |
| 01:13.31 | a_monkey | aw |
| 01:13.36 | a_monkey | oh |
| 01:13.40 | Patlabor221 | not everyitng is about you :) |
| 01:13.43 | blast007_ | lol |
| 01:13.44 | a_monkey | i know |
| 01:13.56 | a_monkey | just the topic was on what i was talking bout |
| 01:14.00 | a_monkey | :) |
| 01:14.16 | DTRemenak | more than one conversation can take place in a channel at one time :) |
| 01:14.24 | a_monkey | oh really?? |
| 01:14.31 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 01:14.42 | Patlabor221 | there are 3 right now |
| 01:15.06 | Patlabor221 | probably best then to not comment on things you don't understand |
| 01:15.16 | blast007_ | probably a good sign it doesn't involve you ;) |
| 01:15.19 | a_monkey | i dont understand anything though |
| 01:15.28 | Patlabor221 | you'll live |
| 01:15.34 | bryjen | 'tis a dark and rainy night on bryjen.bzflag.org:5158 :) |
| 01:15.50 | Patlabor221 | for proper transperancy to work I would need to draw before the transperant stuff. |
| 01:16.12 | Patlabor221 | bryjen, you can also set _skyDarknessFactor to adjust the sky color |
| 01:16.16 | a_monkey | where would i find a list of beta-bzfs servers though? |
| 01:16.22 | Patlabor221 | 1 is normal 0 is full black. |
| 01:16.34 | Patlabor221 | a_monkey, in the game when you run it, just like normal |
| 01:16.40 | bryjen | will that have much effect at night? |
| 01:16.52 | Patlabor221 | bryjen, it will never go below black :) |
| 01:16.53 | blast007_ | well, I used to have a list on my site, but my host died ;) |
| 01:17.02 | Patlabor221 | or just run the game |
| 01:17.09 | Patlabor221 | guu serverlist |
| 01:17.09 | bryjen | make the stars dimmer tho? |
| 01:17.18 | guu | Patlabor221: (O:0) || *THEMAN (H:0) || 401 Heavy Tank Brigade (B:1) || 50ftElvis (X:-1) || A Peregrine Falcon (X:-8) || A Peregrine Falcon (O:0) || A Peregrine Falcon (O:0) || ADMIN (O:0) || AlexanderTheGreat (P:-5) || ammoniaca (B:4) || another lousy shot (X:-1) || aperitivo (R:0) || Area251_Bronx-Style (B:-4) || BANGBOOM (G:-32) || Big Bill (R:0) || BLASTER (Wisconsin) (7 more messages) |
| 01:17.19 | Patlabor221 | bryjen, no I don't think so |
| 01:17.29 | a_monkey | whats the url of the guu serverlist |
| 01:17.38 | Patlabor221 | the same list bzflag uses |
| 01:17.41 | blast007_ | http://db.bzflag.org/db/ |
| 01:17.41 | bryjen | i'll try it and see what it does |
| 01:17.43 | Patlabor221 | the same one in the game |
| 01:17.46 | Patlabor221 | just RUN THE GAME |
| 01:18.28 | a_monkey | the client? |
| 01:18.33 | blast007_ | yeah |
| 01:18.41 | Patlabor221 | that would be the game part |
| 01:18.52 | a_monkey | it just gives me the main menu when i run the client |
| 01:19.01 | blast007_ | :/ |
| 01:19.04 | DTRemenak | heh. when you join a server that has rain, and then join a server that doesn't, it keeps raining... |
| 01:19.09 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 01:19.16 | Patlabor221 | so you've never played bzflag? |
| 01:19.21 | Patlabor221 | ever? |
| 01:19.45 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 01:19.46 | Patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 01:19.54 | Patlabor221 | I'll fix that :) |
| 01:20.03 | DTRemenak | Patlabor221: what do I need to set for rain - just _rainType and _rainDensity? |
| 01:20.12 | trepan | increasin _rainDensity from a client kills my client |
| 01:20.13 | Patlabor221 | just rainType |
| 01:20.14 | trepan | WeatherRenderer.cxx:596 |
| 01:20.18 | Patlabor221 | it'll set a default raindesntity |
| 01:20.19 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 01:20.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah mine too |
| 01:20.45 | Patlabor221 | a_monkey, it works the same as all other bzflags |
| 01:21.51 | a_monkey | so youre telling me to access the listserver and ill find a list of servers? |
| 01:22.06 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 01:22.14 | Patlabor221 | I'm telling you to play the game like you normaly do |
| 01:22.18 | a_monkey | ok |
| 01:22.21 | Patlabor221 | do you not know how to conenct to a server in 1.10? |
| 01:22.28 | Patlabor221 | how to list all the games? |
| 01:22.29 | a_monkey | yeah |
| 01:22.29 | DTRemenak | hah, well gee, that's why I can't set the rain... |
| 01:22.32 | Patlabor221 | and all that? |
| 01:22.39 | a_monkey | list all the games? no |
| 01:22.55 | Patlabor221 | and how long have you been playing bzflag? |
| 01:23.02 | Patlabor221 | how do you find servers in 1.10? |
| 01:23.03 | a_monkey | six months |
| 01:23.18 | a_monkey | i find them by accessing the current listserver |
| 01:23.31 | Patlabor221 | well the same list server is still used |
| 01:23.36 | a_monkey | oh |
| 01:23.41 | Patlabor221 | but you know there is a "find servers" item there on the menu |
| 01:23.46 | Patlabor221 | lists all the games |
| 01:23.48 | a_monkey | of course |
| 01:23.57 | a_monkey | but that doesnt work |
| 01:24.00 | Patlabor221 | same thing works in all versions of bzflag |
| 01:24.06 | Patlabor221 | what version of the client do you have? |
| 01:24.12 | a_monkey | 1.11.x |
| 01:24.18 | a_monkey | or 1.12.0 |
| 01:24.21 | Patlabor221 | *sigh* what is the "x' |
| 01:24.28 | Patlabor221 | no you don't have 1.12.0 |
| 01:24.33 | Patlabor221 | noone does |
| 01:24.42 | Patlabor221 | please provide proper info when your asking for help |
| 01:24.54 | a_monkey | says version is "1.12.0 (used to be 1.11.x)" |
| 01:25.02 | Patlabor221 | where does it say that? |
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| 01:25.16 | a_monkey | in the changelog |
| 01:25.20 | Patlabor221 | no no no |
| 01:25.22 | a_monkey | in the cvs |
| 01:25.23 | Patlabor221 | when you start the game |
| 01:25.25 | Patlabor221 | dude |
| 01:25.27 | a_monkey | oh |
| 01:25.28 | Patlabor221 | comeon think |
| 01:25.56 | a_monkey | 1.11.20.2004blablablab |
| 01:26.18 | Patlabor221 | you behind a proxy or something? |
| 01:26.31 | Patlabor221 | or running a firewall? |
| 01:26.37 | a_monkey | yea |
| 01:26.44 | Patlabor221 | what one? |
| 01:26.46 | a_monkey | but i can normally access the listserver |
| 01:26.47 | Patlabor221 | proxy or firewall? |
| 01:26.53 | a_monkey | firewall |
| 01:27.03 | Patlabor221 | did you have to open something for that version of BZ to connect? |
| 01:27.06 | a_monkey | but i set my firewall to allow bz stuff thru |
| 01:27.26 | Patlabor221 | did you have to set it per application? or per port? |
| 01:27.31 | a_monkey | per port |
| 01:27.38 | Patlabor221 | then it should work |
| 01:27.45 | Patlabor221 | or maybe you have old code |
| 01:27.47 | Patlabor221 | update and build |
| 01:27.58 | a_monkey | i just did last night... |
| 01:28.03 | Patlabor221 | so |
| 01:28.07 | Patlabor221 | we change code every day |
| 01:28.11 | a_monkey | ok |
| 01:28.19 | a_monkey | this might take awhile |
| 01:28.30 | Patlabor221 | why is your computer that slow? |
| 01:29.23 | a_monkey | takes like 20 mins to build |
| 01:29.38 | Patlabor221 | that's prety slow |
| 01:29.52 | Patlabor221 | tho an update build won't build anything that didn't change |
| 01:29.53 | Patlabor221 | it's faster |
| 01:30.20 | DTRemenak | hm, fatrain leaves no puddles? |
| 01:31.00 | Patlabor221 | probably not |
| 01:31.14 | a_monkey | yea ur talking bout raining and snowing servers on 1.11? |
| 01:31.17 | bryjen | hmm. i can set a fixed Time-Of-Day on the client command line with -time hh:mm:ss, which is stuffed into a bzdb item, _fixedTime. but an in-game /set of that doesn't change anything... |
| 01:31.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah no puddles in fatrain |
| 01:31.50 | bryjen | it'd be nice for the server to be able to spec a given time of day too |
| 01:31.59 | Patlabor221 | is it in globals? |
| 01:32.13 | Patlabor221 | oh and /set dosn't like anything that dosn't seem to be a number |
| 01:32.48 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/WeatherRenderer.cxx: stop the rain when the world says there is not to be anymore rain |
| 01:32.59 | Patlabor221 | DTRemenak, if you want it to do puddles, set _useRainPuddles |
| 01:33.06 | DTRemenak | k :) |
| 01:33.27 | Patlabor221 | hmm my lists get jacked when they are rebuilt too |
| 01:33.48 | bryjen | does the server option synctime just sync everybody's UTC, which would be subject to lat/long considerations to determine daylight? |
| 01:34.13 | bryjen | err, n/m. that'd be silly. |
| 01:38.18 | a_monkey | UGHGHG |
| 01:38.25 | a_monkey | i messed it up now i gotta start all over |
| 01:39.29 | Patlabor221 | how can you mess up "cvs update" ? |
| 01:39.34 | Patlabor221 | then make |
| 01:39.57 | Patlabor221 | time to find the density crash |
| 01:41.35 | a_monkey | my computer is SOOOOOOO sluggish... |
| 01:41.43 | a_monkey | in the words of macaddict |
| 01:41.50 | Patlabor221 | what is it? |
| 01:43.31 | a_monkey | ah yes |
| 01:43.34 | a_monkey | a few more mins |
| 01:43.48 | a_monkey | what is macaddict? |
| 01:44.07 | Patlabor221 | no your mac |
| 01:44.09 | Patlabor221 | or computer |
| 01:44.11 | Patlabor221 | or whatever |
| 01:44.12 | Patlabor221 | what is it |
| 01:44.19 | Patlabor221 | why is it so slow? |
| 01:44.28 | a_monkey | cuz its 3 yrs old |
| 01:44.41 | a_monkey | i too cheap to get a new one |
| 01:46.20 | Patlabor221 | what model |
| 01:46.23 | Patlabor221 | thats what I want to know |
| 01:47.40 | a_monkey | oh |
| 01:47.45 | a_monkey | emac |
| 01:48.54 | Patlabor221 | that shouldn't be too slow |
| 01:50.21 | a_monkey | well it is |
| 01:50.29 | a_monkey | i still love it to death |
| 01:50.38 | *** join/#bzflag nilson (~nilson@pcp03331736pcs.tsclos01.al.comcast.net) |
| 01:50.47 | a_monkey | like it and i were the last two people standing on earth |
| 01:51.09 | a_monkey | heh |
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| 01:53.55 | Patlabor221 | learner, is 10.1 ok or do I nEED 10.2? |
| 01:54.30 | bryjen | MacDoom? can i get a shake and fries with that? |
| 01:54.32 | bryjen | ;) |
| 01:55.04 | Patlabor221 | they may be worth more then this |
| 01:55.09 | Patlabor221 | it's a G3 |
| 01:55.13 | bryjen | that'd be a MacDoom Supreme |
| 01:55.13 | a_monkey | gosh still building |
| 01:55.25 | a_monkey | how long has it been? |
| 01:55.38 | a_monkey | its only done with bzfrelay |
| 01:55.45 | a_monkey | nothing else... |
| 01:56.34 | Patlabor221 | no bryjen just a G3 |
| 01:56.36 | Patlabor221 | nothing else |
| 01:56.41 | Patlabor221 | just the G and the 3 |
| 01:57.56 | bryjen | sha. apple's only on G, intel's, like, 9 letters ahead of 'em with P |
| 01:58.14 | Patlabor221 | it's beige |
| 01:58.18 | Patlabor221 | with ADB |
| 01:58.25 | Patlabor221 | dosn't even have USB |
| 02:02.00 | bryjen | the new one are all white? |
| 02:02.36 | Patlabor221 | "platnum" |