| 00:01.00 | learner | new autoconf and automake is sadly usually the only means they provide.. freaking annoying |
| 00:02.58 | TimRiker | well the autoconf etc would be included in the tarball. |
| 00:03.13 | learner | i've had to deal with more automake+libtool+-libtoolize problems than I ever cared to think about |
| 00:03.16 | TimRiker | ie: only need to run it if you get cvs. |
| 00:03.21 | learner | i'm just ranting.. this isn't bz-specific :) |
| 00:03.34 | TimRiker | ~sing with us |
| 00:03.43 | TimRiker | heh |
| 00:03.45 | JeffM2501 | here goes nothing...... |
| 00:03.54 | TimRiker | ooh! a big nothing! |
| 00:04.12 | JeffM2501 | about to replace 32 files in bzbb |
| 00:04.37 | Nidhoggr | whatcha replacing? |
| 00:04.45 | JeffM2501 | a number of the php files and templates |
| 00:04.51 | JeffM2501 | applied a mod |
| 00:05.01 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/README.DEVC++: take away as much liability on my part, add some helpful stuff, reword so it sounds correct for release builds |
| 00:05.02 | TimRiker | that does? |
| 00:05.10 | JeffM2501 | attachements |
| 00:05.17 | JeffM2501 | they released the 2.0.11 version of the mod |
| 00:05.20 | JeffM2501 | so I could apply it |
| 00:05.21 | learner | TimRiker, I've found that there are still a slew of incompatibilities on a pregenerated configure script from various system setups too .. at least projects that pick up the full gnu build toolset |
| 00:05.29 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/TODO: elaborate on the global login issues |
| 00:05.37 | JeffM2501 | and not worry about bring old posible unsecure code in form pre .11 |
| 00:05.38 | TimRiker | learner: sad, but true. |
| 00:05.58 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: cool. |
| 00:08.49 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.in: don't need the objc libs or cflags, so simplify. try to define the missing fastdep symbol to an AM_CONDITIONAL like automake was supposed to do for us, tying it to dependency checking selection. |
| 00:08.57 | learner | just crossed 1.200 on configure.in |
| 00:10.12 | DTRemenak | learner: did you ever implement more aggressive checks for the float math functions? |
| 00:10.27 | JeffM2501 | there we go |
| 00:10.37 | DTRemenak | seems to me someone else was complaining about that on some linux system too |
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| 00:11.32 | learner | DTRemenak, linux was failing most all of the function tests due to a bad ldflag |
| 00:11.49 | DTRemenak | hm. think could be the same issue with solaris? |
| 00:12.05 | learner | that should be fixed in cvs as of this morning |
| 00:12.07 | DTRemenak | except that they falsely succeed on solaris where they *should* fail |
| 00:12.15 | DTRemenak | ok, I'll look at it |
| 00:13.00 | learner | oh, that's right |
| 00:13.29 | learner | sorry, yeah I had started adding math function tests but stopped when you said you got it working with sunwspro |
| 00:13.31 | Chestal | learner: seems to work so far, slowest machine still configuring |
| 00:13.37 | JeffM2501 | well it was a pita, but Attachments are back on bzbb |
| 00:14.12 | DTRemenak | learner: "use sunwpro" is not a really good solution. I'd actually rather have gcc/solaris working than sun-cc/solaris |
| 00:14.41 | DTRemenak | otoh, maybe I've just got a screwy system here |
| 00:15.12 | learner | such a small user base.. it's like irix.. they're either happy to get the binary, or they know how to hack it to work usually |
| 00:15.39 | DTRemenak | shipping binaries on solaris is a bad idea in general |
| 00:15.52 | DTRemenak | but yeah on the hack it to work thing |
| 00:16.14 | learner | bad idea? |
| 00:16.22 | DTRemenak | so many processor types |
| 00:16.23 | learner | just tarball up an install root :) |
| 00:16.32 | learner | bah |
| 00:16.33 | Chestal | we almost installed SOlaris 10 on a good old 4-CPU Pentium Pro system here a few days ago |
| 00:16.35 | learner | sparc |
| 00:16.43 | DTRemenak | yeah, but which sparc :) |
| 00:16.47 | Chestal | but it has EISA which isn't supported |
| 00:16.52 | learner | the one that's not 10 years old :P |
| 00:17.08 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:17.35 | Chestal | so no it's Debian like every other box... |
| 00:18.46 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am: reorder sources, and change cppflags to cppflags ;) |
| 00:23.55 | JeffM2501 | whats the easyest way to trim off any leading whitespace off a std::string ? |
| 00:24.20 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (configure.in src/bzflag/Makefile.am): add windres tool check, and allow mingw32* host_os |
| 00:29.34 | Chestal | JeffM2501: hmm, you could do s.erase(0,s.find_first_not_of(" \t\r\n")) |
| 00:30.00 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 00:30.06 | Chestal | but it might be better to use a isspace function |
| 00:30.21 | JeffM2501 | so there isn't like a trim_left or anything? |
| 00:30.22 | Chestal | then you'd have t either iterate by hand or use the generic find algorithm |
| 00:30.39 | Chestal | no, std::strign has no concept of whitespace by itself |
| 00:30.45 | JeffM2501 | suxor |
| 00:30.57 | JeffM2501 | I think tokenize will help me |
| 00:31.03 | JeffM2501 | I know it's allways spaces |
| 00:31.17 | JeffM2501 | so if I tok based on the space I should just get a vector of words |
| 00:31.22 | JeffM2501 | and that's good enough |
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| 00:41.18 | JeffM2501 | trepan does the material system support shinyness? |
| 00:41.30 | trepan | yup |
| 00:41.36 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:41.45 | Chestal | IMHO we should move to -O3 on Linux, btw. |
| 00:41.59 | Chestal | it can sometimes speed up things considerably when compared to O2 |
| 00:44.39 | JeffM2501 | in linux is \ a valid part of a filename? |
| 00:44.52 | Noodleman | sure |
| 00:45.01 | JeffM2501 | does anyone REALY use them? |
| 00:45.07 | Noodleman | no |
| 00:45.09 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 00:45.09 | Chestal | I hope not :-) |
| 00:45.10 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:46.05 | cods | only / and '\0' are not allowed in filename. |
| 00:46.34 | learner | you can have / in a filename |
| 00:46.42 | JeffM2501 | I'm just generaly thinking that if I find a \ in a path then I'm "PROBABLY" on windows |
| 00:47.27 | cods | learner: huh? / as separator, but not in filename. That depend of definition of filename of course. |
| 00:48.08 | learner | thought there were ways to escape it |
| 00:48.59 | learner | hrm, maybe not :) |
| 00:49.24 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (include/URLManager.h src/common/URLManager.cxx): reorganize to reduce code duplication |
| 00:52.34 | JeffM2501 | parsing so wicked easy when you have tok :) |
| 00:52.42 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 00:52.45 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/include/TextUtils.h: ws |
| 00:54.23 | JeffM2501 | and with stl containers :) |
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| 01:03.09 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/date/buildDate.cxx: bump to .38 for RC2 to distinguish it from older .37s |
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| 01:11.59 | Chestal | what troubles your mind? |
| 01:12.28 | learner | if peoples would stop commiting changes that cause a reconfig, this test compile might actually finish tonight sometime :) |
| 01:12.48 | Chestal | you don't _have_ to cvs up, you know :-) |
| 01:12.55 | learner | telnet brewer.lemis.com 4135 |
| 01:12.59 | learner | it's automatic :) |
| 01:13.25 | learner | too hard to shut off.. er, lazy |
| 01:19.08 | Chestal | what is this telnet? |
| 01:19.41 | learner | the temperature of some guy's fridge that he uses to brew beer |
| 01:19.56 | learner | temperature is monitored and controlled by a bsd box |
| 01:20.04 | Chestal | ah, the famous internet fridge |
| 01:20.05 | learner | (upcoming /. article) |
| 01:20.12 | Chestal | they promised me this years ago ;-) |
| 01:20.17 | Chestal | (or was it a toaster?) |
| 01:20.35 | learner | there .. the article just went live |
| 01:20.59 | Chestal | I'll go unlive now, though. Good night |
| 01:21.34 | learner | night Chestal |
| 01:21.41 | learner | cya in the morning maybe ;) |
| 01:21.57 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: oops, bump this too |
| 01:22.29 | Chestal | only if you stay up too long or I get up too early :-) |
| 01:23.07 | learner | exactly |
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| 01:28.04 | DTRemenak | learner: if you feel the need or desire to post a mac build, http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=26743 has the .38 win build |
| 01:28.57 | learner | k |
| 01:29.16 | DTRemenak | you feeling good about releasing tonight or tomorrow, or want more time? |
| 01:29.16 | qbwwdp | hey guys |
| 01:29.19 | qbwwdp | i'm trying to show people bzflag |
| 01:29.27 | qbwwdp | could you please come on my server and play for a bit |
| 01:29.31 | qbwwdp | britsystems.com |
| 01:29.49 | learner | DTRemenak, either works for me.. xcode is completely behaving now, so I'm chipper |
| 01:30.01 | DTRemenak | ah, coolness |
| 01:30.09 | learner | qbwwdp, do people ever join after your spamming the channel? |
| 01:30.27 | DTRemenak | as far as I'm concerned, we can give RC2 a couple hours to make sure it's not busted, then roll out 2.0 |
| 01:30.36 | qbwwdp | yes |
| 01:30.40 | qbwwdp | they always do |
| 01:30.54 | qbwwdp | please come play |
| 01:30.56 | learner | sounds like a plan |
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| 01:34.37 | DTRemenak | heh, I think Scorch just got told :) http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2654 |
| 01:34.48 | wegstar | heh |
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| 01:36.03 | wegstar | hey legolas |
| 01:38.07 | trepan | DTRemenak: the expected pronoun switch isn't present :) |
| 01:39.09 | JeffM2501 | trepan got a simple meshmap? |
| 01:39.29 | JeffM2501 | kooky |
| 01:39.54 | trepan | gave learner a triangle mesh for bzw.5 |
| 01:39.58 | JeffM2501 | and kind of mean |
| 01:40.09 | trepan | you want something specific? |
| 01:40.15 | JeffM2501 | just an example |
| 01:40.46 | JeffM2501 | looking at 3ds2bzw isn't easy to follow |
| 01:40.49 | trepan | http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5s , a triangle |
| 01:40.55 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 01:40.56 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 01:41.18 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 01:41.25 | JeffM2501 | it's just an indexed face? |
| 01:41.31 | trepan | yup |
| 01:41.39 | JeffM2501 | well sheeeeet |
| 01:41.48 | trepan | vertices, normals, and texcoords are all indexed |
| 01:41.48 | JeffM2501 | this is gonna be easy |
| 01:41.56 | JeffM2501 | 1 or 0 bases? |
| 01:41.59 | JeffM2501 | ahh 0 |
| 01:42.00 | trepan | 0 |
| 01:42.10 | trepan | doing an obj converter or something? |
| 01:42.16 | JeffM2501 | :D |
| 01:42.21 | trepan | the format is very similar, just a little more verbose |
| 01:42.27 | JeffM2501 | yup |
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| 01:43.35 | JeffM2501 | but that dosn't have a material |
| 01:44.32 | trepan | add a 'matref <name>' into the beginning of the mesh, and it will |
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| 01:44.49 | trepan | (assuming that <name> has already been specified) |
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| 01:45.01 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:45.11 | JeffM2501 | now I REALY see the obj roots |
| 01:45.26 | trepan | obj's have separate files for mats |
| 01:45.48 | trepan | and all the mesh objects can also be specified with individual material properties |
| 01:46.08 | trepan | ex: color, texture, texture matrices, etc... |
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| 01:48.13 | tea\tree | hu |
| 01:48.19 | learner | huzzah |
| 01:48.45 | Noodleman | o, sing a song of bzflag |
| 01:48.46 | Noodleman | the l33test game around |
| 01:48.46 | Noodleman | we shoot and steal and camp and frag |
| 01:48.46 | Noodleman | and POUND YOU TO THE GROUND!!! |
| 01:48.57 | trepan | it's also more state driven, so that you can start with a 'matref', and still change the color for the current material in between face definitions |
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| 01:55.20 | trepan | lan56: your dev-c++ with current CVS good to go? they're talking release in a couple 'o hours |
| 01:55.45 | lan56 | indeed, it's a-ok |
| 01:55.50 | lan56 | but I could rebuild |
| 01:56.00 | lan56 | I am judging from a CVS update today, that there were no new fiels |
| 01:56.02 | lan56 | *files |
| 01:56.11 | tea\tree | what the |
| 01:56.19 | trepan | cvs up -dPC , some #def's might have changed too |
| 01:56.46 | lan56 | trepan: but yes, it is perfected from what I last knew, but I will rebuild and CVS update right now just to double check |
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| 01:57.13 | JeffM2501 | trepan, yes I am readin int he matl files |
| 01:57.17 | JeffM2501 | and grouping based on mat |
| 01:57.23 | JeffM2501 | and all that :) |
| 01:57.44 | JeffM2501 | void readMTL ( trmodel &model, std::string file ) |
| 01:58.16 | JeffM2501 | got a simple of a material? |
| 02:00.34 | JeffM2501 | hmm tho I see an issue, I have verts for the entire file, not verts per mesh |
| 02:02.33 | learner | ack.. bz crashd |
| 02:02.43 | trepan | JeffM2501: bzw.5 has the material spec |
| 02:04.09 | trepan | JeffM2501: seaching for "notextures" should find it quickly |
| 02:05.24 | trepan | learner: these things will happen... release it! |
| 02:05.39 | JeffM2501 | the one on the web must be old then |
| 02:05.42 | JeffM2501 | I'll look |
| 02:05.55 | JeffM2501 | have to reindex the verts first |
| 02:06.27 | lan56 | trepan: the bzflag project file, bzflag.dev, is a-ok, let me check the bzfs and bzadmin ones, but I strongly doubt that they are in need of repair, but will check now anyway |
| 02:07.35 | tea\tree | hi im 8 and im new in bzflag |
| 02:09.09 | learner | trepan: hehe |
| 02:09.16 | learner | can't figure out why it's doing it yet.. |
| 02:09.30 | learner | not exiting abnormally.. like it's reaching an exit |
| 02:09.54 | trepan | in-game, startup? |
| 02:10.09 | learner | it goes fullscreen, displays everything including menu, console, fonts, etc, then quits |
| 02:10.33 | learner | ooh, i wonder if cgl thing is biting me |
| 02:11.00 | learner | hrmph.. checking for CGLGetCurrentContext... yes |
| 02:11.43 | trepan | fyi: the glXGetCurrent... test if failing, only works because of the fall-thru |
| 02:12.07 | lan56 | trepan: all of the project files check out and are ready to rumble |
| 02:12.11 | trepan | the context checking probably isn't even required |
| 02:12.16 | trepan | lan56: thx for checking |
| 02:12.22 | lan56 | all in the line of duty |
| 02:13.57 | learner | glX will fail.. don't have it |
| 02:14.23 | trepan | missing libs during the test |
| 02:14.28 | learner | ahh |
| 02:14.39 | trepan | only gets -ladns -lm |
| 02:15.13 | learner | rebuilding to see if it was something related to all these reconfigures that happend during compile |
| 02:17.00 | learner | okay.. i need that quad g5 right about now |
| 02:17.26 | DTRemenak | quad? |
| 02:18.47 | JeffM2501 | learner, did you see the thing where 5 mini's fit in a cube |
| 02:20.06 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/README.DEVC++: more help for dummy users :) |
| 02:21.08 | learner | JeffM2501, heh, no |
| 02:21.14 | JeffM2501 | let me find t |
| 02:21.36 | JeffM2501 | http://appletalk.rhapsody.com.hk:443/appletalk/viewtopic.php?t=9233 |
| 02:26.29 | lan56 | this is really exciting if a release will be coming out soon, as in, a day or even just a few hours |
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| 02:27.20 | learner | nice pic :) |
| 02:27.50 | learner | now if they shipped a 5 or 6-way 1+GHz g4 cube, I'd so be all over that :) |
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| 02:29.40 | trepan | JeffM2501: libwave + 10 mins = job already done :) |
| 02:29.52 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:30.00 | JeffM2501 | I'm doing some other stuff too |
| 02:30.10 | JeffM2501 | I allrady had the obj reader done |
| 02:30.23 | JeffM2501 | and does libwave exist on other plats? |
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| 02:31.07 | trepan | it's a parser + iris/openGL, standard C |
| 02:31.13 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 02:31.18 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 02:32.03 | JeffM2501 | what's an "addtexture" ? |
| 02:32.07 | JeffM2501 | another pass? |
| 02:32.20 | kFraction | ok, quick question guys. ive just set up a server and im trying to increase the movement, rotation, and jumping speeds. i tried settinged the -a switch to -a 50000 50000 but thats still really slow.. any ideas or am i doing something wrong? |
| 02:32.50 | learner | set _tankSpeed 100000 |
| 02:32.59 | trepan | JeffM2501: for unimplemented mutlitex |
| 02:33.18 | kFraction | learner , where do i set that? on the command line? |
| 02:33.19 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 02:33.33 | JeffM2501 | kFraction, you set a vars file and put it in there |
| 02:33.34 | learner | kFraction in a -vars file |
| 02:33.37 | JeffM2501 | it's not a command line thing |
| 02:33.55 | blast007 | can you also put them in the map file? |
| 02:33.55 | bryjen | -a is for acceleration values when using inertia |
| 02:34.11 | bryjen | i think |
| 02:34.13 | learner | kFraction, you can test values on a running server by going admin and running /set .. gives a list of variables |
| 02:34.19 | kFraction | right. so how do i set up a vars file? |
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| 02:35.03 | kFraction | bryjen , yes thats correct |
| 02:35.15 | croftj | Hi Yall |
| 02:35.20 | JeffM2501 | -vars SOME_FILE |
| 02:35.29 | kFraction | what do i put in the file? |
| 02:35.31 | JeffM2501 | then put set whatever value in the file |
| 02:35.40 | croftj | ~bzfquery linuxlots.com:5155 |
| 02:35.41 | blast007 | the set commands |
| 02:35.48 | JeffM2501 | in your case _tankSpeed |
| 02:35.51 | learner | BZFlag has exited due to signal 14 (SIGALRM). |
| 02:35.55 | blast007 | like: set _tankSpeed 300 |
| 02:36.15 | kFraction | so "set _tankSpeed 300" in a file? |
| 02:36.19 | croftj | Anyone want to check out the CTF map I created? I'm looking for feedback etc. |
| 02:36.22 | blast007 | yup |
| 02:36.23 | kFraction | then execute with -vars filename? |
| 02:36.38 | blast007 | and you can add more set commands too (do one per line) |
| 02:36.46 | kFraction | i c |
| 02:39.35 | trepan | p.s. vars files are deprecated in 2.0 |
| 02:39.47 | croftj | How do you get your server listed on the server list? |
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| 02:40.16 | Thumper_ | trepan: in favour of what? |
| 02:40.29 | trepan | -set |
| 02:40.33 | JeffM2501 | croftj, use -public |
| 02:40.38 | JeffM2501 | like is says in the manpage |
| 02:40.42 | trepan | both in conf files, and in .bzw "options" blocks |
| 02:40.50 | croftj | I did, and it doesn't |
| 02:40.57 | JeffM2501 | yes it does |
| 02:41.06 | JeffM2501 | -public "some description" |
| 02:41.29 | trepan | Thumper_: -set <var> will automatically be saved into "options" blocks for saved files right now |
| 02:41.37 | JeffM2501 | -public description |
| 02:41.38 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.46 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 02:41.46 | trepan | you'll get the same rain, mirror, speed, etc... settings |
| 02:42.01 | Thumper_ | I see the new bzw man page... |
| 02:42.03 | Thumper_ | thx |
| 02:43.14 | trepan | just don't try to "include" a file with an "options" block, it won't work |
| 02:43.56 | croftj | Hmmm... |
| 02:44.20 | croftj | Okay... damned suse, I guess I'll have to force it |
| 02:44.46 | JeffM2501 | public is NOT the default |
| 02:46.42 | croftj | I see, I can set public through the suse sysconfig file, but it gives no description |
| 02:47.12 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 02:47.15 | DTRemenak | suse set up a sysconfig for bzflag? |
| 02:47.21 | JeffM2501 | it's a command line for bzflag |
| 02:47.35 | JeffM2501 | how are you starting bz? |
| 02:47.40 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: they do that with a lot of programs. Just kind of surprising for bzfs |
| 02:47.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:47.57 | croftj | Yes, they have a sysconfig for everything... anything to add to the fun of configuring thier system :) |
| 02:47.57 | JeffM2501 | how do they make it use it by default? |
| 02:48.14 | JeffM2501 | some script that takes the bzfs hit? |
| 02:48.26 | DTRemenak | good question. could be a shell script, or a hacked bzfs |
| 02:49.52 | croftj | they load the command line options from the sysconfig file. |
| 02:50.12 | croftj | They messed up, they didn't realize the -public option has an argument |
| 02:50.42 | JeffM2501 | bzflag has it's own config file system |
| 02:50.47 | JeffM2501 | -config YOURFILE |
| 02:50.57 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@70-57-235-119.sxfl.qwest.net) |
| 02:51.25 | blast007 | actually, it's -conf YOURFILE |
| 02:51.34 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas (~Legolas@69.106.132.154) |
| 02:51.44 | Legolas | is it close to being out? |
| 02:51.45 | learner | but but.. what if I want to use MYFILE?? |
| 02:52.10 | JeffM2501 | then your screwd |
| 02:52.15 | Legolas | ok, how do i get two servers runnig at once? |
| 02:52.26 | creeperz | different ports |
| 02:52.28 | Thumper_ | use different ports Legolas |
| 02:52.58 | Legolas | it says unable to start server, maybe one is already runnig |
| 02:53.07 | tea\tree | blubb |
| 02:53.09 | creeperz | i wouldnt suggest 2 servers unless you have a really good connection, though |
| 02:53.16 | Legolas | ni do |
| 02:53.24 | creeperz | ok |
| 02:53.30 | creeperz | hm |
| 02:53.36 | creeperz | never seen that error before |
| 02:53.39 | creeperz | what version? |
| 02:53.44 | Legolas | can you ecxpain the procces to me? |
| 02:54.03 | blast007 | that error normally occurs when that port is already in use (by another bzfs process or another program) |
| 02:54.20 | creeperz | oh |
| 02:54.21 | creeperz | yeah |
| 02:54.26 | creeperz | make another conf file |
| 02:54.31 | Legolas | ok |
| 02:55.12 | trepan | learner: how's the exit() hunt going? |
| 02:56.06 | learner | trepan, it's a SIGALRM |
| 02:56.39 | learner | and we don't call settimer in bz |
| 02:56.46 | learner | so must be from sdl.. |
| 02:57.37 | DTRemenak | ooh, fun stuff... |
| 02:57.56 | *** join/#bzflag Aribeth (~Aribeth@dsl081-067-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 02:59.31 | croftj | Hmmm.... maybe now |
| 03:00.21 | lan56 | dtremenak: that's a tough one, they all look so much fun, especially the homework part :) |
| 03:00.24 | wegstar | what math? |
| 03:00.50 | DTRemenak | wegstar: linear algebra |
| 03:01.01 | Legolas | bzflag then! |
| 03:01.01 | wegstar | ah |
| 03:01.05 | trepan | DTRemenak: another alternative, get pie-eyed drunk until unconsciousness removes your ability to make choices |
| 03:01.06 | wegstar | bzflag then |
| 03:01.21 | DTRemenak | trepan: I do know where I could do that tonight, actually... |
| 03:01.59 | Aribeth | hummmm.....pie-eyed. sounds like a good idea |
| 03:02.08 | Legolas | if i have a dynamic address do i need 2 accounts for 2 servers? |
| 03:02.19 | wegstar | no.. |
| 03:02.21 | DTRemenak | no, just run them on different ports |
| 03:02.41 | Legolas | hmm doesnt seem to work |
| 03:02.52 | trepan | how are you setting the bzfs port? |
| 03:02.55 | JeffM2501 | how are you defining the port? |
| 03:02.57 | blast007 | ex: blast.game-host.org:5154 and blast.game-host.org:5155 |
| 03:03.05 | Legolas | i did that |
| 03:03.11 | trepan | use the -p option? |
| 03:03.12 | JeffM2501 | did you do -p |
| 03:03.19 | JeffM2501 | damn lag |
| 03:03.23 | Legolas | oh not that |
| 03:03.27 | trepan | that might help |
| 03:03.31 | Thumper_ | well that's kind of important :) |
| 03:03.32 | learner | DTRemenak, given the choice to "do it again" and choosing between my suggestion and trepan's, i'd pick his ;) |
| 03:03.34 | JeffM2501 | that would actualy SET the port |
| 03:03.36 | trepan | make sure they're matched |
| 03:03.41 | Legolas | so do -p thats it? |
| 03:03.43 | DTRemenak | learner: heh :) |
| 03:03.52 | Legolas | or -p port#? |
| 03:03.54 | JeffM2501 | -p is port |
| 03:03.58 | trepan | bzfs -p 2345 -pubic blabhlbah:2345 |
| 03:04.00 | JeffM2501 | MAN BZFS |
| 03:04.05 | Legolas | ok |
| 03:04.26 | Legolas | so -p 5155 would work? |
| 03:04.32 | trepan | sure |
| 03:04.35 | trepan | keep about 1024 |
| 03:04.38 | trepan | s/about/above |
| 03:04.44 | DTRemenak | "doomed to repeat himself"...how apropos. |
| 03:04.55 | Legolas | 1024? |
| 03:05.01 | trepan | stay above that number... |
| 03:05.04 | Legolas | ok |
| 03:05.09 | learner | yea thou I listen to a valley of rtfm, i will fear no kiddie .. thy +q and +b comfort me |
| 03:05.23 | Legolas | yeah it worked! |
| 03:05.25 | *** join/#bzflag Zedi (~nathan@c68.112.171.237.dul.mn.charter.com) |
| 03:05.27 | JeffM2501 | I have no q |
| 03:05.27 | kFraction | ok. all working nicely. thx alot guys |
| 03:05.28 | Legolas | thanks |
| 03:05.36 | JeffM2501 | so I have to tell em to RTFM |
| 03:06.00 | *** part/#bzflag kFraction (~kFraction@arg0.net) |
| 03:06.13 | learner | guess so |
| 03:06.18 | wegstar | can ibot query the servers of the new version? |
| 03:06.26 | Legolas | well it worked but it's not on the public list |
| 03:06.39 | *** join/#bzflag Tegan (~lyra@dsl081-067-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 03:06.41 | Aribeth | RTFM |
| 03:06.42 | Legolas | :( |
| 03:06.52 | Legolas | how do i get both on the list? |
| 03:06.54 | trepan | make sure they're matched... |
| 03:06.54 | wegstar | ~bzfquery node.game-server.cc:5154 |
| 03:07.00 | wegstar | darn |
| 03:07.11 | JeffM2501 | make sure the port is your public addr |
| 03:07.15 | JeffM2501 | and that you routed the port |
| 03:07.16 | Aribeth | or look at bzflag.sleepycows.org for howto's |
| 03:07.19 | JeffM2501 | if your behind a firewall |
| 03:07.21 | Legolas | it is |
| 03:07.25 | JeffM2501 | are you behind a firewall? |
| 03:07.25 | *** part/#bzflag Zedi (~nathan@c68.112.171.237.dul.mn.charter.com) |
| 03:07.37 | JeffM2501 | or a router? |
| 03:07.43 | JeffM2501 | or a magic box? |
| 03:07.51 | wegstar | or a smoothwall |
| 03:08.04 | trepan | or a rather large individual with a crow-bar? |
| 03:08.05 | Legolas | i dotn think im on a firewall because i have one on the list |
| 03:08.12 | Legolas | but i am on a router |
| 03:08.19 | JeffM2501 | you probably put a route |
| 03:08.24 | croftj | well it shows up now :)) |
| 03:08.26 | JeffM2501 | in the router to run 5154 |
| 03:08.27 | Legolas | ??? |
| 03:08.28 | wegstar | forward the port |
| 03:08.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:08.33 | Legolas | how? |
| 03:08.39 | blast007 | same way you did the first server |
| 03:08.40 | JeffM2501 | the same way you did for the last server |
| 03:08.47 | learner | they make these things |
| 03:08.50 | learner | called manuals |
| 03:08.52 | learner | you read them |
| 03:08.57 | trepan | first/last, the confusion... |
| 03:08.59 | wegstar | yeah |
| 03:08.59 | learner | and learn |
| 03:09.02 | JeffM2501 | or are the nurons cloged with malted hops and bong resin? |
| 03:09.09 | Legolas | how do i rout the port? |
| 03:09.13 | blast007 | ~rtfm |
| 03:09.15 | ibot | somebody said rtfm was read the f*cking manual... try asking me about "FAQ" |
| 03:09.15 | wegstar | forward |
| 03:09.15 | croftj | learner, don't be spreading vicious lies! |
| 03:09.17 | JeffM2501 | READ YOUR MANUAL ON THE ROUTER!! |
| 03:09.20 | JeffM2501 | damn man |
| 03:09.21 | JeffM2501 | comeone |
| 03:09.25 | JeffM2501 | we can't run your life |
| 03:09.27 | wegstar | i'll guide you |
| 03:09.32 | Legolas | what maual? |
| 03:09.34 | JeffM2501 | if you do, do it in a PM |
| 03:09.36 | JeffM2501 | not here |
| 03:09.37 | wegstar | yeah |
| 03:09.41 | Legolas | what manua*l? |
| 03:09.43 | JeffM2501 | the one that came with your hardware |
| 03:09.45 | JeffM2501 | or ask your dad |
| 03:09.48 | JeffM2501 | he must have set it up |
| 03:10.12 | JeffM2501 | perhaps bzfs should say "parental supervision required" |
| 03:10.14 | Aribeth | must be a hostname conflict |
| 03:10.17 | wegstar | heh |
| 03:10.21 | JeffM2501 | in his head? |
| 03:10.43 | Aribeth | maybe |
| 03:11.19 | Aribeth | just what i needed. a good laugh after a rotten day at work. |
| 03:11.41 | JeffM2501 | what was so bad about it? |
| 03:11.57 | JeffM2501 | did they promice you cake and pie, then provide no cake OR pie? |
| 03:12.16 | Aribeth | a civil servant badmouthed me and was gona try to get me fired |
| 03:12.29 | Aribeth | i made a preemtive strike |
| 03:12.37 | trepan | you killed them? |
| 03:12.50 | Aribeth | i went over his head |
| 03:13.04 | trepan | with a crow-bar? |
| 03:13.07 | JeffM2501 | you missed? |
| 03:13.10 | trepan | (sry, on a kick) |
| 03:13.33 | Aribeth | hummmm....didnt think of that, but might have worked |
| 03:14.10 | JeffM2501 | tis what steel toes are made for |
| 03:14.20 | Aribeth | lol |
| 03:15.05 | *** join/#bzflag Zedi (~nathan@c68.112.171.237.dul.mn.charter.com) |
| 03:15.47 | JeffM2501 | wow XP auto strips the "'s from argv's that have em |
| 03:15.50 | JeffM2501 | how nice of it |
| 03:16.08 | DTRemenak | heh, unless you want them :) |
| 03:16.41 | trepan | JeffM2501: 95/NT/etc... don't? |
| 03:16.42 | JeffM2501 | why would you want them? |
| 03:16.57 | JeffM2501 | I've had to strip them from 9x's |
| 03:17.09 | trepan | that's sad |
| 03:17.22 | JeffM2501 | 9x didn't suport paths with spaces |
| 03:17.27 | JeffM2501 | had to be the "dos name" |
| 03:17.49 | trepan | not directly related, and still sad |
| 03:18.09 | JeffM2501 | well long names in "'s would get passed in as normal |
| 03:18.13 | JeffM2501 | so you'd have to strip em |
| 03:18.14 | JeffM2501 | it was horible |
| 03:19.04 | *** part/#bzflag Legolas (~Legolas@69.106.132.154) |
| 03:20.55 | Zedi | Are you talking about command |
| 03:21.16 | JeffM2501 | the OS in general |
| 03:21.28 | Zedi | .NET supports spaces |
| 03:21.54 | JeffM2501 | XP as an OS does |
| 03:21.59 | JeffM2501 | so do all NT based OSs |
| 03:22.05 | JeffM2501 | dosn't realy have much to do with .net |
| 03:22.15 | JeffM2501 | as it does with the c runtimes |
| 03:22.53 | Zedi | Why wouldn't an OS allow spaces |
| 03:23.07 | JeffM2501 | because it was based on DOS |
| 03:23.11 | Zedi | I think they all should |
| 03:23.13 | JeffM2501 | and dos did the 8.3 thing |
| 03:23.16 | Zedi | oh |
| 03:23.17 | JeffM2501 | they all do now |
| 03:23.28 | JeffM2501 | 95/98/me are not based on a proper core |
| 03:23.36 | trepan | the shell may also be doing the " stripping |
| 03:23.48 | JeffM2501 | I'm not running form a shell |
| 03:24.02 | JeffM2501 | well not from cmd |
| 03:24.03 | trepan | running from a little icon? |
| 03:24.07 | trepan | with args? |
| 03:24.12 | JeffM2501 | drag and drop baby :) |
| 03:24.29 | trepan | just another form of shell |
| 03:24.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:24.38 | JeffM2501 | don't realy care how it's done |
| 03:24.44 | JeffM2501 | code supports striping them in case |
| 03:25.05 | JeffM2501 | code works on nix or win, with out a single #define :) |
| 03:25.12 | JeffM2501 | even reads files made on the other system |
| 03:25.15 | Zedi | You guys are over me |
| 03:25.43 | Zedi | Is there any way you can get the list of channels |
| 03:25.44 | trepan | JeffM2501: would hope so... |
| 03:25.52 | JeffM2501 | a CR is '\r' ? |
| 03:26.07 | JeffM2501 | if so what's a LF? |
| 03:26.14 | Thumper_ | LineFeed |
| 03:26.22 | DTRemenak | \n |
| 03:26.42 | trepan_away | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.42 | trepan_away | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.42 | trepan_away | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.45 | trepan_away | oops |
| 03:26.57 | DTRemenak | trepan_away: you missed the important one :) |
| 03:27.06 | trepan_away | nope, it was /msg'ed |
| 03:27.08 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 03:27.28 | JeffM2501 | hmm so /r/n should be whats at the end of windows files |
| 03:27.35 | *** join/#bzflag PrezKennedy (~Matthew@130.85.255.85) |
| 03:27.41 | Zedi | yes |
| 03:27.47 | JeffM2501 | well \r\n :) |
| 03:27.55 | learner | oh .. you know what |
| 03:29.21 | DTRemenak | ~bzfrag learner |
| 03:29.23 | ibot | ACTION squishes learner with a steamroller |
| 03:29.25 | DTRemenak | that was really bad :) |
| 03:30.00 | *** join/#bzflag phunk (akubai@sdn-ap-002njpennP0172.dialsprint.net) |
| 03:30.15 | *** join/#bzflag hiya (~Legolas@adsl-69-232-118-3.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) |
| 03:30.22 | *** join/#bzflag MeBigFatGuy (dave@balt-209-150-116-21.dynamic-dial.qis.net) |
| 03:30.23 | hiya | hi can some one here kick legolas |
| 03:30.42 | hiya | i am legolas but when i did something to my computer this happened |
| 03:30.44 | MeBigFatGuy | ~ibot kick legolas |
| 03:30.46 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 03:30.54 | *** join/#bzflag Silver[a] (SilverFox@68-116-47-254.or.charter.com) |
| 03:30.55 | MeBigFatGuy | there ya go |
| 03:31.02 | hiya | thanks |
| 03:31.06 | JeffM2501 | kicking will not remove you from the server |
| 03:31.08 | JeffM2501 | dumass |
| 03:31.25 | learner | hehehe |
| 03:31.26 | learner | sucker |
| 03:31.33 | *** join/#bzflag hiya (~Legolas@adsl-69-232-118-3.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) |
| 03:31.37 | hiya | didnt work |
| 03:31.40 | JeffM2501 | of course not |
| 03:31.45 | JeffM2501 | kicking won't remove you from the server |
| 03:31.48 | hiya | ~ibot kick legolas |
| 03:31.50 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 03:31.51 | JeffM2501 | ghost your nick via nickserv |
| 03:32.03 | hiya | how do i do that? |
| 03:32.03 | JeffM2501 | and the bot can't kick |
| 03:32.12 | JeffM2501 | did you register your name? |
| 03:32.18 | hiya | i think so |
| 03:32.21 | orchid | motorola, dlink, netgear, belkin linksys what other major home dsl/cable router companies are there? |
| 03:32.26 | JeffM2501 | then do /msg nickserv help |
| 03:32.26 | wegstar | ... |
| 03:33.04 | learner | JeffM2501, he did not |
| 03:33.19 | JeffM2501 | the he's screwed |
| 03:33.22 | JeffM2501 | just wait it out man |
| 03:33.23 | learner | yup |
| 03:33.26 | wegstar | whose legoguy? |
| 03:34.02 | learner | wegstar, a guy made out of legos? |
| 03:34.05 | Grumbler | gigafast....well, thats what mr jeffM2501recommend at one time |
| 03:34.13 | JeffM2501 | that;s a router |
| 03:34.23 | wegstar | heh, no i mean someone here... confused him/her with legolas |
| 03:34.24 | JeffM2501 | ohh she said router |
| 03:34.39 | JeffM2501 | there are many cheapass brands |
| 03:34.45 | JeffM2501 | linksys is ass |
| 03:34.52 | Grumbler | and linksys is really cisco now |
| 03:35.01 | learner | wegstar, he's here: http://www.geocities.com/pdooma1/disney/legoguy.jpg |
| 03:35.01 | wegstar | dllink is not well made either... |
| 03:35.01 | JeffM2501 | still cisass |
| 03:35.15 | JeffM2501 | I have no problems with my dlink |
| 03:35.16 | learner | and just to imagine.. legoguy plays bz too |
| 03:35.19 | JeffM2501 | tho they only last about 2 years |
| 03:35.20 | wegstar | heh, is that at legoland? |
| 03:35.24 | JeffM2501 | I loved my gigafast |
| 03:35.30 | JeffM2501 | that thing rocked |
| 03:35.36 | JeffM2501 | even did dynadns.org |
| 03:35.43 | Grumbler | what happened to it |
| 03:35.48 | JeffM2501 | it asploded |
| 03:35.54 | JeffM2501 | they all die |
| 03:35.56 | Grumbler | so does netgear now... |
| 03:35.57 | phunk | dyndns works just as well as dynadns |
| 03:35.58 | JeffM2501 | at some point |
| 03:36.01 | wegstar | My dllink burns out constantly-- twice every month |
| 03:36.34 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure there were many difrent versions |
| 03:36.46 | wegstar | yes... |
| 03:36.51 | JeffM2501 | what I SHOULD get is one of the nice 3com office connects we have here |
| 03:36.53 | *** join/#bzflag noyb (~noyb@wbar2.lax1-4-8-213-215.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 03:36.58 | wegstar | hi noyb |
| 03:37.03 | JeffM2501 | it works very well |
| 03:37.07 | Grumbler | even my two netgears act differently, and they are 3 months in devel apart |
| 03:37.09 | JeffM2501 | and does good stable wireless |
| 03:37.26 | JeffM2501 | netgear allways overheats on me |
| 03:37.37 | noyb | hi there! |
| 03:37.40 | JeffM2501 | I used to put my tea on them |
| 03:37.44 | Grumbler | heh, you need to download less pron |
| 03:37.49 | JeffM2501 | it'd keep it nice and tasty |
| 03:37.58 | JeffM2501 | this was at work |
| 03:38.03 | JeffM2501 | and it was just a hub |
| 03:38.17 | noyb | pwd |
| 03:38.24 | noyb | hehe wrong shell... |
| 03:38.27 | JeffM2501 | password not found.. please reenter |
| 03:38.31 | wegstar | i keep switching jacks between my router and my modem... probably that was what burned them out quickly... |
| 03:38.32 | Grumbler | the wireless netgear is trash....but the same basic model with no wireless works real well |
| 03:38.33 | wegstar | hehe |
| 03:39.11 | JeffM2501 | I don't even have wireless at home anymore |
| 03:39.21 | wegstar | why? |
| 03:39.22 | JeffM2501 | tho I thik I'll be geting my zonet wireless one back soon |
| 03:39.30 | noyb | since we're talking netgear... I'm going to guess the release didn't happen. |
| 03:39.34 | JeffM2501 | gave it to a friend to use for a month |
| 03:39.44 | JeffM2501 | noyb, read the topic |
| 03:40.21 | noyb | yeah yeah... but that could have been overlooked during the glee of release :) |
| 03:41.25 | DTRemenak | soon, noyb, soon. |
| 03:41.36 | Grumbler | keeping the faith |
| 03:44.24 | bryjen | cisco bought linksys to have cheap stuff to sell to people who wouldn't buy overpriced stuff |
| 03:44.41 | bryjen | i doubt they've changed any of it |
| 03:44.55 | Grumbler | ...not quite true........ |
| 03:45.40 | *** join/#bzflag [Drizzt] (~[Drizzt]@ACC0AEEB.ipt.aol.com) |
| 03:46.27 | [Drizzt] | silence, am I allowed to talk? |
| 03:46.39 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 03:46.42 | wegstar | ??? |
| 03:46.50 | wegstar | who's silence? |
| 03:46.56 | wegstar | oh |
| 03:47.00 | Aribeth | hi lhfp |
| 03:47.00 | [Drizzt] | :) making people question their existence is fun |
| 03:47.02 | JeffM2501 | man they are coming out in force this week |
| 03:47.08 | wegstar | heh |
| 03:47.22 | [Drizzt] | is 1.whatever out yet |
| 03:47.31 | JeffM2501 | read the topic |
| 03:47.36 | Aribeth | read the topic |
| 03:47.41 | learner | yes there are many 1.whatevers available |
| 03:47.45 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (revol@ALyon-112-1-14-234.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 03:47.45 | learner | go down it |
| 03:47.52 | learner | hurry up now |
| 03:47.59 | [Drizzt] | oh, thats so huge of a file...wait *checks* |
| 03:48.18 | [Drizzt] | yeah, thats the one |
| 03:49.02 | learner | i thought it was the other one |
| 03:49.28 | [Drizzt] | dont play me today, im not very happy |
| 03:49.36 | learner | [Drizzt], http://db.bzflag.bz/tmp/wtf.jpg |
| 03:49.59 | noyb | learner: nice. |
| 03:50.10 | [Drizzt] | ok, is that supposed to mean something |
| 03:50.14 | JeffM2501 | that is so last year |
| 03:50.23 | JeffM2501 | it means your not making any sense |
| 03:50.26 | JeffM2501 | at all |
| 03:50.29 | JeffM2501 | in any way |
| 03:50.31 | JeffM2501 | shape |
| 03:50.32 | JeffM2501 | or |
| 03:50.33 | JeffM2501 | form |
| 03:50.38 | Aribeth | learner,mnow thats funny |
| 03:50.39 | [Drizzt] | shut up |
| 03:50.43 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 03:50.47 | [Drizzt] | k |
| 03:50.49 | JeffM2501 | make sense |
| 03:50.52 | phunk | hey jeff: http://eurakarte.com/funk/grammartime.jpg |
| 03:51.06 | [Drizzt] | what did I not make sense about? |
| 03:51.12 | JeffM2501 | prety much anything |
| 03:51.16 | learner | [Drizzt] don't tell people to shut up unless you'd like the same told to you in more enforceable ways |
| 03:51.18 | phunk | misuse of your/you're. |
| 03:51.21 | JeffM2501 | sad sad forum picts |
| 03:51.27 | JeffM2501 | phunk, you'll live |
| 03:51.32 | phunk | then again, i don't capitalize or use end punctuation |
| 03:51.35 | phunk | so what do i know. |
| 03:51.40 | [Drizzt] | oh no, I didnt use a ' cry me a river |
| 03:51.46 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: on the MAL scale, is 1 or 5 worst? |
| 03:52.07 | JeffM2501 | think defcon |
| 03:52.11 | JeffM2501 | 1 = bad |
| 03:52.15 | DTRemenak | k, thx |
| 03:52.17 | JeffM2501 | where do they come from? |
| 03:52.22 | JeffM2501 | we know they don't read |
| 03:52.28 | DTRemenak | under the bridge, obviously |
| 03:52.33 | JeffM2501 | it's like they are channeling iddiots |
| 03:52.38 | Grumbler | haha |
| 03:52.52 | Aribeth | lol |
| 03:52.53 | *** topic/#bzflag by DTRemenak -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || 1.11.x builds http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11/ || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Release date is a continuum of time in this general area || NO IT'S NOT OUT YET || MAL = 2 |
| 03:53.02 | JeffM2501 | I'd say 1.5 |
| 03:53.10 | JeffM2501 | was it level or condition? |
| 03:53.11 | DTRemenak | you can have a fraction? |
| 03:53.15 | DTRemenak | level |
| 03:53.19 | JeffM2501 | or is the condition the color? |
| 03:53.23 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 03:53.27 | DTRemenak | like "condition blue" |
| 03:53.37 | [Drizzt] | a frikkin 12 gauge what do you think! |
| 03:53.39 | JeffM2501 | purple alert is a fraction |
| 03:53.49 | *** topic/#bzflag by DTRemenak -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || 1.11.x builds http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11/ || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Release date is a continuum of time in this general area || NO IT'S NOT OUT YET || MAL = 1.5 |
| 03:54.15 | *** mode/#bzflag [+R] by learner |
| 03:54.24 | JeffM2501 | I mean damn |
| 03:54.45 | JeffM2501 | I guess mice will allways smell cheese |
| 03:55.00 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 03:55.20 | Aribeth | light show |
| 03:55.39 | JeffM2501 | registration.. it's what's for dinner |
| 03:55.47 | DTRemenak | learner: it's a gradual reaction time. have to make sure there aren't any aftershocks. |
| 03:55.50 | bryjen | that's reservation |
| 03:56.32 | learner | good grief.. 68 people in here.. that's highest i've seen it |
| 03:56.50 | Aribeth | wow |
| 03:56.52 | DTRemenak | learner: did you get your alert problem fixed |
| 03:56.53 | JeffM2501 | still dosn't change the number of intelegeble conversations |
| 03:57.17 | learner | DTRemenak, no.. :( thought it might have been tied to address and limiting timeout to 15 seconds |
| 03:57.19 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: without the +R I'd say it goes like the inverse square of the number of people |
| 03:57.19 | bryjen | actually lowers the likelyhood, i'd bet |
| 03:57.27 | learner | since startup takes like 10 seconds |
| 03:57.31 | DTRemenak | hm |
| 03:57.46 | DTRemenak | any other ideas? |
| 03:57.49 | learner | but i upped to 40 and it still closes |
| 03:57.54 | DTRemenak | can you build with a debug SDL? |
| 03:57.56 | Tupone | do you mind if I commit some other changing headers? |
| 03:57.57 | learner | i'm going to try to comment the alarms |
| 03:58.01 | DTRemenak | or is that like a major pain? |
| 03:58.03 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 03:58.26 | Tupone | DTRemenak: have you tried my build? |
| 03:58.30 | learner | Tupone, go right ahead :) |
| 03:58.35 | learner | and you sure are up late :) |
| 03:58.37 | DTRemenak | Tupone: trying now |
| 03:58.56 | DTRemenak | I had opened the .gz but hadn't extracted it yet |
| 03:59.53 | learner | either of you remember any changes related to an alarm, or Address? |
| 04:00.59 | learner | ahh, lookie there |
| 04:00.59 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.00 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.15 | learner | in getHostByAddress().. it's crashing at about 8-9 seconds |
| 04:01.41 | learner | also getHostAddress() |
| 04:01.44 | Tupone | yeah, cause the libc way to kill dns resolver is alarm |
| 04:01.51 | *** join/#bzflag Privia (~Privia@h000d93444438.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 04:01.52 | Tupone | there is no other way |
| 04:02.00 | learner | so what's change there though?? |
| 04:02.01 | DTRemenak | Tupone: yeah, it works |
| 04:02.18 | Tupone | great, I have even bzadmin, but build without ncurse |
| 04:02.20 | DTRemenak | slowly, but it works |
| 04:02.29 | Tupone | learner: we have not changed anything there |
| 04:02.56 | Tupone | dunno if libcurl use alarm too |
| 04:03.03 | bryjen | something about the machine your testing on perhaps? |
| 04:03.33 | Tupone | DTRemenak: unplayable? |
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| 04:03.44 | DTRemenak | Tupone: on some maps it probably would be |
| 04:03.58 | Tupone | it is sdl enabled? |
| 04:04.00 | wegstar | legolas.. sorry, i accidentally pressed Esc |
| 04:04.03 | DTRemenak | it's about what I was getting on my Mingw+SDL builds... 2/3 the framerate or so |
| 04:04.08 | learner | is the list server contacted on app start? or on join menu? |
| 04:04.34 | Tupone | probably with the karma things, is contacted whenever he need a token |
| 04:04.48 | learner | and when is that done? |
| 04:04.56 | learner | on startup or after main menu? |
| 04:04.56 | Tupone | before joining |
| 04:04.58 | DTRemenak | 15 or 20 fps where I get 30+ on native builds |
| 04:05.00 | bryjen | on find menu, and i think on selecting join to get a token |
| 04:05.13 | learner | so not on main menu, though |
| 04:05.19 | learner | hrmph |
| 04:05.24 | Tupone | motd? |
| 04:05.41 | learner | hrm.. perhaps.. |
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| 04:06.00 | Tupone | DTRemenak: without sdl? same speed? I mean your mingw |
| 04:06.34 | DTRemenak | mingw native is about the same as vc with sdl. 30 fps pretty solid on the same map |
| 04:06.45 | DTRemenak | native with vc is just slightly faster |
| 04:06.50 | Tupone | probably sound then |
| 04:07.13 | Tupone | We should do a mixed build to prove that |
| 04:07.17 | DTRemenak | mixed? |
| 04:07.26 | trepan | would disabling sound be proof enough? |
| 04:07.30 | Tupone | SDL video + native audio |
| 04:07.33 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 04:07.44 | Tupone | trepan: yeah :) |
| 04:08.30 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o DTRemenak] by learner |
| 04:08.34 | *** mode/#bzflag [-R] by learner |
| 04:08.41 | wegstar | ? |
| 04:09.16 | Tupone | CIA is silenced? |
| 04:09.34 | wegstar | he got kicked off earlier.. |
| 04:09.35 | bryjen | cia does not /identify |
| 04:09.40 | wegstar | nvm |
| 04:10.11 | learner | Tupone, not any more |
| 04:10.20 | Tupone | :) |
| 04:10.30 | [Drizzt] | ... |
| 04:10.50 | [Drizzt] | my eyes they burn!! *stops looking at mirror* |
| 04:11.39 | *** join/#bzflag _phunk (akubai@sdn-ap-001njpennP0001.dialsprint.net) |
| 04:11.56 | SilverFox | ah |
| 04:13.58 | Tupone | learner: have you changed list server? in config.cfg |
| 04:14.28 | noyb | CIA-2: where is the love? |
| 04:14.38 | noyb | :) |
| 04:14.41 | learner | Tupone, i delete my config like three times now just to be sure |
| 04:14.57 | noyb | coma |
| 04:15.04 | trepan | that's right, turn the other cheek; bloody pacifists |
| 04:15.34 | learner | aha, isolated |
| 04:15.40 | learner | alarm() is called twice |
| 04:15.45 | learner | by curl |
| 04:15.45 | DTRemenak | hmm |
| 04:15.47 | learner | from url manager |
| 04:15.57 | DTRemenak | curl bug or urlmanager bug? |
| 04:16.01 | learner | i assume my slow startup time is too slow? |
| 04:16.09 | learner | urlmanager did change recent iirc, no? |
| 04:16.22 | noyb | learner: a breakthrough? |
| 04:16.24 | learner | (remember I haven't had a build in a couple days) |
| 04:16.37 | DTRemenak | learner: yeah, it's changed three times in the last two days |
| 04:16.39 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 04:16.53 | learner | here we go |
| 04:16.55 | learner | #0 0x9001e634 in alarm () |
| 04:16.57 | learner | #1 0x96dfb8e0 in Curl_protocol_connect () |
| 04:16.59 | learner | #2 0x96dfbac4 in Curl_connect () |
| 04:17.01 | learner | #3 0x96e045b0 in Curl_perform () |
| 04:17.10 | DTRemenak | try reverting it back a couple days and see if it works then |
| 04:17.23 | learner | #4 0x000cdb44 in URLManager::beginGet(std::string) (this=0x23c8910, URL={static npos = 4294967295, _M_dataplus = {<allocator<char>> = {<No data fields>}, _M_p = 0x23c8a20 "\002<\2120\226?\036?"}, static _S_empty_rep_storage = {0, 0, 0, 0}}) at URLManager.cxx:163 |
| 04:17.37 | learner | (and reads) |
| 04:17.40 | DTRemenak | I may have screwed something up |
| 04:18.10 | bryjen | heh. "reorganize to reduce code duplication" |
| 04:18.23 | tea\tree | uh |
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| 04:19.16 | learner | heh, 163 is right after the line that says " // FIXME: This could block for a _long_ time. " |
| 04:19.25 | learner | no so long after all :) |
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| 04:19.56 | learner | he's spawning! |
| 04:20.05 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:20.50 | orchid | ~ports |
| 04:20.51 | ibot | somebody said ports was http://www.debian.org/ports/, or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers, or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc |
| 04:21.14 | orchid | ~ports is also http://www.portforward.com/routers.htm |
| 04:21.15 | ibot | orchid: okay |
| 04:21.15 | learner | ooh, i think i see it |
| 04:21.49 | learner | ~portage |
| 04:21.50 | ibot | from memory, portage is the gentoo's bsd style ports system written in python, *way* more reliable than apt |
| 04:22.05 | JeffM2502 | man a lot of people must ask about routers for there to be a page like that |
| 04:22.13 | JeffM2502 | what makes people read web and not paper? |
| 04:22.26 | DTRemenak | people read web? |
| 04:22.34 | DTRemenak | I thought they just looked at the pictures |
| 04:22.38 | JeffM2502 | manuals should be printed with porn |
| 04:22.45 | JeffM2502 | then people would read them |
| 04:22.54 | learner | people read? |
| 04:23.03 | JeffM2502 | they read |
| 04:23.51 | JeffM2502 | they just don't look up |
| 04:23.52 | KTL | (ascii-porn of course) |
| 04:23.52 | JeffM2502 | or know how to think for themselves |
| 04:23.52 | DTRemenak | JeffM2502: I'm not sure you could really qualify that as "reading" |
| 04:23.52 | JeffM2502 | if you did it right |
| 04:23.52 | JeffM2502 | and put the instuctions over the naughty bits |
| 04:24.38 | JeffM2501 | bahh, double click |
| 04:24.42 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:25.03 | Tupone | learner: what kind of crash you have? |
| 04:25.12 | learner | SIGALRM |
| 04:25.23 | Tupone | but thats not a crash :) |
| 04:25.26 | learner | there must be an active alarm that is timing out |
| 04:25.41 | learner | did I say it crashed? :) |
| 04:25.45 | JeffM2501 | should I turn the mac on? |
| 04:26.08 | Tupone | it's crashing at about 8-9 seconds |
| 04:26.27 | learner | i thought I was ready to pass it off to you JeffM2501, but then this sigalrm came up.. some urlmanager change |
| 04:26.35 | Grumbler | mac goes on, learner goes under the desk.... |
| 04:26.35 | learner | Tupone, yes |
| 04:26.43 | learner | and i tried disabling the alarms in Address |
| 04:26.54 | JeffM2501 | "it puts the code in the folder....." |
| 04:27.00 | learner | Tupone, yeah yeah.. early presumptuous statement :P |
| 04:27.08 | Tupone | ;) |
| 04:27.57 | Tupone | why not increase the curl timeout? |
| 04:28.06 | Tupone | they are bzdb now |
| 04:28.39 | learner | i tried that |
| 04:28.44 | DTRemenak | it shouldn't abort on a timeout |
| 04:28.59 | DTRemenak | that would kind of make it pointless |
| 04:29.16 | learner | i tried increasing the curl timeout in urlmanager (set to 15) and the bzdb var (also set to 15) |
| 04:29.42 | Tupone | the address alarm is 5 iirc |
| 04:29.47 | learner | what's wierd is even if I toss in an explicit alarm(0); before the curl call.. it still aborts |
| 04:30.02 | JeffM2501 | is there a bzdb thing for the outer wall height? |
| 04:30.32 | learner | never seen the height change |
| 04:30.46 | learner | ooh,.. *cage match* |
| 04:30.52 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yes, there is |
| 04:30.58 | JeffM2501 | actualy I want to remove them |
| 04:30.59 | learner | cool |
| 04:31.00 | DTRemenak | I think it might even be _wallHeight |
| 04:31.08 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 04:31.11 | learner | who added that? |
| 04:31.43 | learner | wierd.. still aborts with an alarm after the call |
| 04:31.52 | bryjen | you can't get outside the wall even if you're above it. its always a cage match |
| 04:32.52 | DTRemenak | that was an anonymous contribution ;) |
| 04:32.53 | Tupone | learner, DTRemenak, bryjen, JeffM2501: gnite |
| 04:32.59 | DTRemenak | nite Tupone |
| 04:33.01 | bryjen | nite |
| 04:33.05 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (Tupone@84.222.137.63) |
| 04:33.34 | Grumbler | sure blow off the grumbler |
| 04:33.37 | tea\tree | gnite all :o) |
| 04:33.42 | learner | got "CURLE_OK" from curl_easy_perform() |
| 04:33.58 | bryjen | ~bzfrag Grumbler |
| 04:34.01 | ibot | ACTION fries Grumbler with a laser |
| 04:34.03 | learner | gnight treeman |
| 04:34.04 | JeffM2501 | see ja |
| 04:34.19 | DTRemenak | hm, y'all know that bzfs.cxx passed 1.1000 yesterday, right? |
| 04:34.21 | bryjen | oh, you said off, not up ;) |
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| 04:34.47 | Grumbler | my doctor warned me about larting |
| 04:34.51 | *** part/#bzflag tea\tree (~t7@pD9E96A01.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:35.17 | DTRemenak | ~lart Grumbler |
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| 04:35.33 | learner | DTRemenak: =) |
| 04:35.38 | bryjen | bzfs.cxx: total revisions: 1291 |
| 04:36.06 | bryjen | that's bound to happen when the major number never changes |
| 04:36.19 | *** part/#bzflag jtickle (~jtickle@student-121-240.pool.appstate.edu) |
| 04:36.32 | DTRemenak | learner: that would not be hard to count |
| 04:37.25 | learner | DTRemenak, yep.. almost done |
| 04:37.30 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 04:37.42 | bryjen | total, or just to bzfs.cxx ? |
| 04:38.07 | learner | both actually :) |
| 04:38.10 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:38.15 | learner | been a while since i saw total |
| 04:38.29 | learner | MeBigFatGuy was top committer last tally |
| 04:38.47 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
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| 04:38.53 | learner | 20 commiters to bzfs.cxx |
| 04:39.19 | trepan | http://trepan.homelinux.net/bzfs_count.txt |
| 04:40.01 | DTRemenak | heh, timriker and MeBigFatGuy are awefully close |
| 04:40.22 | bryjen | needs a sort -n, trepan ;) |
| 04:40.25 | learner | damn "ws" |
| 04:40.31 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 04:40.33 | learner | need to cull those trepan :) |
| 04:40.59 | trepan | better now ? |
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| 04:41.15 | JeffM2501 | wow I did 42 |
| 04:41.18 | JeffM2501 | I am the answer |
| 04:41.39 | JeffM2501 | 200 of tims where ws tho |
| 04:41.40 | bryjen | now if someone would just ask the question... :) |
| 04:41.49 | JeffM2501 | noone ever asks |
| 04:43.51 | JeffM2501 | gahh sometimes I am so stupid |
| 04:43.52 | learner | ahh, looks like about 30-40 are whitespace |
| 04:44.12 | learner | reading logs.. looks like there was indeed a time when riker wrote code |
| 04:44.21 | JeffM2501 | printf != fprintf |
| 04:44.40 | learner | :) |
| 04:44.53 | JeffM2501 | debuger says it's doing all the right stuff |
| 04:44.59 | JeffM2501 | but the file is empty.................. |
| 04:48.21 | learner | whole unpruned archive: http://db.bzflag.bz/tmp/commits.txt |
| 04:48.40 | Grumbler | whoohoo 4 |
| 04:50.05 | JeffM2501 | interesting how it jumps from 833 to 1367 |
| 04:50.06 | bryjen | lies, damn lies, and statistics |
| 04:50.17 | learner | and benchmarks |
| 04:50.42 | JeffM2501 | like there was some threshold at 1000 many dare not reach |
| 04:51.10 | DTRemenak | heh. 3997->8543 |
| 04:51.14 | bryjen | another hole between 2 and 3k |
| 04:51.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:51.25 | JeffM2501 | well ws man can't be counted |
| 04:51.36 | DTRemenak | I'm gettin to 3k, just give me time |
| 04:51.42 | bryjen | copyrights too |
| 04:51.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 04:51.51 | DTRemenak | I've only had commit access for one year and three days |
| 04:52.07 | JeffM2501 | how do you find that out? |
| 04:52.21 | DTRemenak | 'cause I remember that it was the day before one month after my birthday |
| 04:52.28 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 04:52.29 | learner | heh |
| 04:52.31 | DTRemenak | I'm just wierd like that, ok? :) |
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| 04:53.15 | bryjen | his neighbor's sister's dog's former owner wrote it down |
| 04:53.22 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:54.23 | learner | about 1200 or so are ws |
| 04:54.31 | DTRemenak | what about copyright? |
| 04:54.39 | learner | mm.. good one |
| 04:54.47 | DTRemenak | every file in the repository, once a year |
| 04:56.50 | learner | hrm, doesn't add up |
| 04:56.54 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:56.56 | learner | 1800 copyright |
| 04:56.58 | learner | yeah :) |
| 04:58.32 | learner | 966 emacs/vi block commits by yours truely |
| 04:59.01 | DTRemenak | learner: the copyright notices don't necessarily have the word "copyright" in them, either. this year's was "Happy New Year, PS: ccache rox" |
| 04:59.12 | learner | DTRemenak, ahh |
| 05:00.09 | learner | any other example mass updates? |
| 05:00.42 | learner | yea 781 new year |
| 05:01.20 | DTRemenak | just out of curiosity, how many of my commits were ws? :) |
| 05:02.32 | DTRemenak | learner: there's also a big block for "v1_7 to head" |
| 05:03.42 | learner | DTRemenak, k, comparing all comments now :P |
| 05:05.21 | *** part/#bzflag Privia (~Privia@h000d93444438.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 05:05.43 | learner | 1010 ws, 800 1_7 to HEAD, 780 new year, 470 coypright, 400 1.8 initial, 340 1.7 to head... |
| 05:07.31 | TimRiker | are you going to re-credit pat and trepan's stealth submissions? |
| 05:08.22 | DTRemenak | man, this is getting complicated :) |
| 05:09.00 | learner | who did move from LICENSE to COPYING ? |
| 05:09.16 | learner | and .. "Initial version 1.8 revision" |
| 05:09.50 | DTRemenak | that was crs23 |
| 05:09.56 | learner | both? |
| 05:10.06 | DTRemenak | no, the second |
| 05:11.47 | JeffM2501 | the more you ask the longer it takes |
| 05:11.53 | JeffM2501 | when it is done you will see in the topic |
| 05:12.05 | JeffM2501 | you will see people type about uplaoding it |
| 05:12.07 | DTRemenak | LICENSE to COPYING was TimRiker |
| 05:12.09 | JeffM2501 | and you will see a post on bzbb |
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| 05:12.32 | learner | okay, so that makes the commit standings minus mass-commits roughly at: riker with about 3350, dbrosius at 3300, myself around 3100, trepan close at about 3050, dtr at 1950, ... |
| 05:12.33 | DTRemenak | heh, and it seems that around that time the term was "whitespace" not "ws" |
| 05:12.51 | learner | accounted for that |
| 05:12.53 | DTRemenak | k |
| 05:13.12 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:14.08 | learner | that's a close set of commiters |
| 05:14.24 | trepan | not accounting for # line changes, and initial file sizes |
| 05:14.29 | learner | yep |
| 05:14.31 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 05:14.37 | learner | your commits tend to be way larger than mine :) |
| 05:14.41 | trepan | and binary touchups |
| 05:15.06 | DTRemenak | learner: but you did e.g. the menu breakup, etc |
| 05:15.06 | DTRemenak | you've had some large commits :) |
| 05:15.16 | learner | menus and bzfs, yea |
| 05:15.19 | trepan | ya, you'll never really get accurate stats based on block moves, etc... |
| 05:15.25 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 05:15.30 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:15.30 | JeffM2501 | what's the URL for the web based manpage? |
| 05:16.02 | JeffM2501 | or anyone know if there is a endmaterial tag? |
| 05:16.13 | trepan | it's "end" |
| 05:16.17 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 05:16.27 | JeffM2501 | yet face has endface |
| 05:16.28 | trepan | only two special cases, "define" and "face" |
| 05:16.30 | JeffM2501 | ahh it's entest |
| 05:16.34 | JeffM2501 | nested |
| 05:16.36 | trepan | "enddef" and "endface" |
| 05:16.38 | JeffM2501 | don't do nsting |
| 05:16.41 | JeffM2501 | k |
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| 05:17.36 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: and it's actually http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi |
| 05:17.56 | DTRemenak | er, the word "actually" is irrelevant. s/actually// |
| 05:18.16 | DTRemenak | I think I was reading learner's comment :) |
| 05:19.09 | DTRemenak | learner: that'll be misleading too. e.g. almost all of JeffM2501's commits have since been trampled by ws commits because he used standard indent settings |
| 05:19.25 | learner | http://db.bzflag.bz/tmp/lines.txt |
| 05:19.36 | TimRiker | Legolas_alive: do you have callsigns on the forum with @ in them? they should be renamed. we disallow @ now cause we use it on the command line and in the checktokens as a separator. |
| 05:19.50 | learner | that's cvs annotate stats |
| 05:20.20 | JeffM2501 | I haven't commited a single thing |
| 05:20.48 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: your sf username hasn't changed, I was looking at cvs logs |
| 05:20.49 | TimRiker | the man link is on http://bzflag.org/wiki/GettingHelp |
| 05:22.23 | DTRemenak | learner: the .dev projects are _gigantic_ |
| 05:22.30 | learner | ahh |
| 05:22.34 | JeffM2501 | well you know when your fingerpainting...and you get paint everywhere? |
| 05:23.07 | Legoguy | excuse me for getting a bit off topic, but this is a must see "amazing work of art" type thing... http://turbogfx.homelinux.org/juggler.wmv - guy playing piano with juggling balls |
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| 05:23.13 | DTRemenak | bzflag.dev is 4370 lines |
| 05:23.27 | Silver[a] | Galactica is on! |
| 05:23.31 | learner | ahh, that makes more sense |
| 05:23.45 | learner | Silver[a]: so was my dvr ;) |
| 05:23.58 | DTRemenak | bzfs.dev is 2190 lines |
| 05:24.29 | learner | heh, well that's his number right there minus a hundred or so :) |
| 05:24.40 | learner | bzadmin.dev? |
| 05:24.41 | DTRemenak | the bzadmin.devs are about 500 each |
| 05:24.46 | bryjen | wc -l Dev-C++/*.dev |
| 05:24.47 | bryjen | 7546 total |
| 05:24.48 | learner | perhaps annotate is missing |
| 05:25.09 | DTRemenak | some of those lines were likely last touched by me |
| 05:25.20 | DTRemenak | when I reorganized the bzflag.dev project into folders |
| 05:25.41 | learner | ahh yes |
| 05:25.49 | learner | you and jeff claim a large portion |
| 05:26.33 | orchid | Legoguy: xine or mplayer wont play it for me |
| 05:26.43 | Legoguy | :-/ |
| 05:26.50 | Legoguy | download it to disk first |
| 05:26.56 | Legoguy | my mplayer plays it |
| 05:27.14 | Legoguy | xine too |
| 05:28.44 | learner | heh.. "take 'em out?" |
| 05:28.48 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:29.10 | DTRemenak | just curious...out of 56 commits, to have two lines left... |
| 05:29.59 | DTRemenak | learner: I don't suppose you could hack together a shell script to give lines remaining/commit made? :) |
| 05:30.12 | learner | heh |
| 05:30.28 | learner | maybe i'll work something together for a stats page on bzflag.bz |
| 05:30.31 | DTRemenak | the "endurability constant", or "recent activity ratio" |
| 05:30.39 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:30.49 | wegstar | may someone fire up their bzflag client and try connecting to node.game-server.cc:5156? |
| 05:30.55 | DTRemenak | wegstar: version? |
| 05:31.02 | wegstar | 1.11.38 |
| 05:31.25 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.26 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.31 | learner | oop |
| 05:31.41 | learner | sorry jeremiah |
| 05:32.03 | DTRemenak | heh. some two lines :) |
| 05:32.27 | wegstar | does it work? |
| 05:33.55 | learner | DTRemenak, if i'm reading it right, that's Annotations for win32/VC71/zlib.vcproj |
| 05:33.58 | DTRemenak | wegstar: I couldn't spawn |
| 05:34.04 | wegstar | right... |
| 05:34.08 | DTRemenak | learner: say huh? |
| 05:34.30 | DTRemenak | those are changelog and authors |
| 05:34.38 | learner | DTRemenak, never mind |
| 05:34.53 | wegstar | please try registering and identifying before you spawn.. i think that's the problem... |
| 05:34.57 | learner | just confusing myself.. output came after the annotate, so I lost the file association |
| 05:35.12 | DTRemenak | wegstar: ok |
| 05:35.27 | learner | DTRemenak: ahhh, hehe I get it :) |
| 05:35.39 | learner | an author that is author of his changelog author line :) |
| 05:35.50 | wegstar | strange... |
| 05:36.03 | DTRemenak | wegstar: tried do identify, it kicked me off |
| 05:36.08 | wegstar | hmm |
| 05:36.14 | DTRemenak | learner: yeah, that's all that's left unmodified :) |
| 05:36.16 | learner | at least that's all that's untouched since |
| 05:36.41 | wegstar | Jeff says that it is some problem with perms |
| 05:37.17 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: hmm. you changed the server to not request groups that are in the group file? |
| 05:37.38 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: yeah. Chestal expressed some concerns about mis-named groups. |
| 05:37.57 | DTRemenak | this way you need to specifically name the groups which you will allow the list server to fill for you |
| 05:38.08 | TimRiker | ugh. I'm not a fan. |
| 05:38.34 | JeffM2501 | why request groups that will never have perms? |
| 05:38.36 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: you have to add them to the groups file anyway. just one more change at the same time. |
| 05:38.43 | Legoguy | speaking of not spawning, there seems to be a problem (i'll refrain from calling it a bug) that happens fairly randomly, mostly on the first time i start bzflag in a given x session - after joining, the whole display just stops - but I can still navigate menus; I know this because I can hear the menu sounds and am able to exit bzflag from the menu - but again, the screen is just frozen until the time i exit.. |
| 05:38.45 | TimRiker | I'd prefer that groups named local* or similar be local. |
| 05:39.18 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: huh? why have groups in your group file if they don't have perms? |
| 05:39.21 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: so you'd have everyone rewrite their groups files? |
| 05:39.29 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: yes. |
| 05:39.43 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker: I mean why get groups from remote if they ARN'T in your groups file |
| 05:39.47 | TimRiker | they will have to review the user file too. |
| 05:39.51 | JeffM2501 | those groups won't do anything |
| 05:39.59 | learner | could add group categories ala syslog later .. GLOBAL.ADMIN LOCAL.ADMIN .. LOCAL.DEFAULT, etc |
| 05:40.14 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: it used to request all the groups that are in your local file and no others. |
| 05:40.24 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 05:40.36 | JeffM2501 | then that makes sense |
| 05:40.36 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: Chestal was pretty adamant about not wanting anything from the central server that he didn't specifically request |
| 05:40.36 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: now if they are in your local file, they _don't_ get requested. |
| 05:40.44 | DTRemenak | unless you ask for them |
| 05:40.45 | JeffM2501 | chestal wants NO remote groups |
| 05:40.50 | JeffM2501 | and he had no way to turn them off |
| 05:40.55 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: not really |
| 05:41.07 | DTRemenak | he's using the DEVELOPERS group now, for instance |
| 05:41.08 | JeffM2501 | he said he wanted them all off |
| 05:41.15 | JeffM2501 | well I think he's just playing |
| 05:41.18 | learner | well, without changing his group names |
| 05:41.18 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: as I said, I think you should be able to name them such that they are local only. |
| 05:41.36 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: I'd prefer to have to name them to be remote |
| 05:41.40 | JeffM2501 | or the remote ones could be named to reflect remoteness |
| 05:41.49 | DTRemenak | learner's idea sounds best, actually |
| 05:41.56 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: and I'd prefer that you have to name them to be local. |
| 05:42.33 | TimRiker | folks should be encouraged to create global groups. when they add a second server and want to share the groups they would have to convert them all. |
| 05:42.44 | TimRiker | same goes for global users instead of local users. |
| 05:43.02 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: we've also had a number of questions about being able to use a different global groups server, instead of bzbb |
| 05:43.20 | learner | so name both local and remote via LOCAL.|REMOTE. .. unprefixed could be what TimRiker's suggesting that tries to merge? |
| 05:43.23 | Legoguy | TimRiker: not sure if you are receiving my /query message. |
| 05:43.24 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: I'm all for centralization, I'm just telling you what I'm hearing from server ops |
| 05:43.27 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: why? is there a problem with group namespace on the bb? |
| 05:44.00 | TimRiker | Legoguy: have not looked at it. talking here at the moment. =) |
| 05:44.06 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: one of the fellows I was talking to didn't want to have to contact someone to get a group made for him |
| 05:44.15 | Legoguy | TimRiker: understood :) |
| 05:44.16 | DTRemenak | another one wanted to have total control over his group setup |
| 05:45.05 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: If you want to change it to an exclude list, I'm fine with that. |
| 05:45.15 | TimRiker | the default should be that they are global. |
| 05:45.38 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: why don't you go talk to some admins, find out how they feel. I'm cool with changing it, but they won't be. |
| 05:45.54 | learner | it's an untested/unreleased setup right now, so everyone's hesitant -- there's no benefit per-se yet so no sense in forcing it |
| 05:46.32 | TimRiker | I'll take the heat. I'll get heat one way or the other. |
| 05:46.43 | JeffM2501 | exclude list is harder when you don't know/can't see all the posible groups |
| 05:46.49 | JeffM2501 | and why not talk to them |
| 05:46.53 | JeffM2501 | you got that bzbb thingy |
| 05:47.08 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: you only need to exclude ones you create locally that you want to be local. |
| 05:47.26 | TimRiker | the server does _not_ get any groups it does not ask for. |
| 05:47.28 | learner | a couple of the primary active servers are relatively isolationist too -- they've said they'll be disabling most all the centralized features "for now" |
| 05:47.45 | TimRiker | it just used to get any groups in the group database and now gets none of them. |
| 05:47.58 | JeffM2501 | heh upuntill today it got ADMIN :) |
| 05:48.03 | TimRiker | well, unless each one is explicitly added to the command line as well. |
| 05:48.42 | JeffM2501 | few people understand how groups and centeral logins even work |
| 05:48.46 | TimRiker | denying ADMIN is a GoodThing. that should stay. I meant to get to that but hadn't yet. |
| 05:48.47 | learner | TimRiker: what about adding an optional category qualifier to the groups? REMOTE|LOCAL|SYNC with the last being the default |
| 05:48.54 | JeffM2501 | there is little info on why one would want to do this |
| 05:49.05 | learner | and SYNC being optional so unnamed would be what you're saying |
| 05:49.23 | TimRiker | learner: and what would be the difference between remote and sync? |
| 05:49.59 | learner | TimRiker, ignores any local listed/added |
| 05:50.05 | learner | always only uses remote |
| 05:50.31 | TimRiker | learner: huh? uses the remote to set membership and then ignores any permissions that would grant? |
| 05:50.33 | learner | so if they do a groupadd or adds some permission through the interface, it won't get used by design |
| 05:50.36 | TimRiker | what's the purpose in being a member then? |
| 05:50.45 | JeffM2501 | remote dosn't send perms |
| 05:50.52 | JeffM2501 | so it has to be local too |
| 05:50.55 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: you could be a member locally, but not globally |
| 05:51.09 | JeffM2501 | the only thing that makes sense is to have local only groups |
| 05:51.11 | DTRemenak | the "REMOTE" setting would exclude that, but I'm not sure why we'd want to |
| 05:51.28 | JeffM2501 | why not just have 2 groups files |
| 05:51.35 | JeffM2501 | one for remote and one for local |
| 05:51.57 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: please revert the patch. if you would liek to leave it there and reverse it to an exclude list, fine. if you'd like to add support for LOCAL.GROUPNAME that's fine too. |
| 05:52.03 | learner | had complaints about too many server files to manage as it is |
| 05:52.27 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: ok? |
| 05:52.35 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: sure. |
| 05:52.40 | TimRiker | thanx. |
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| 05:53.49 | learner | there's one of those silly operators.. Silver[a] :) |
| 05:53.50 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: but please also talk to some of the admins. They haven't heard anything from you, don't know what to expect, and weren't asked about anything. Ignoring your users is not a good policy. |
| 05:54.01 | Silver1 | huh? |
| 05:54.04 | Silver1 | What'd I do? |
| 05:54.15 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: point taken. |
| 05:54.26 | learner | nothing ;) just talking about you in front of your back |
| 05:54.36 | Silver1 | oh. love that. ;) |
| 05:54.57 | DTRemenak | Silver1: earlier you were expressing some reluctance to move to global groups, and asked about setting up your own phpbb to manage them. TimRiker would like to know what you think. |
| 05:55.03 | learner | how about them Bears |
| 05:55.28 | TimRiker | many of the .h files include common.h now. and multiple headers are included in other source files thus including common.h multiple times. |
| 05:55.28 | Silver1 | DTRemenak, ah... I was just wondering what to expect. |
| 05:55.55 | TimRiker | I'm thinking common.h should be first in all .cxx files and not in _any_ .h files. |
| 05:56.06 | TimRiker | so common.h and then your interface header. |
| 05:56.10 | TimRiker | thoughts? |
| 05:56.19 | Silver1 | wondering what I should be doing to get ready to migrate to 2.0, and wondering if it was possible to use my own phpbb board to handle groups. |
| 05:56.36 | Silver1 | just exploring what options are. |
| 05:56.40 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: sounds good to me |
| 05:56.48 | purple_cow | TimRiker: that's a pretty common modus operandi |
| 05:56.57 | DTRemenak | unless some header requires something in common.h, dunno |
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| 05:57.04 | TimRiker | Silver1: you planning to use central user database, yes? |
| 05:57.20 | trepan | DTRemenak: like uint32_t, etc... |
| 05:57.22 | TimRiker | right now, board admins are the only ones that can create groups. |
| 05:57.43 | Silver1 | TimRiker, I didn't really have any plans. I was just asking what was possible under the new shinier version. |
| 05:58.12 | Silver1 | I was suprised to hear that phpbb was being used to maintain the userdb. Neat idea though. |
| 05:58.32 | learner | TimRiker: common.h needs to come before system headers is the main requirement |
| 05:58.37 | TimRiker | might change the board to allow username.group creation by anyone or something similar in the future, but right now admins will have to request central group creation. |
| 05:58.58 | Silver1 | Thats just fine for now. |
| 05:59.07 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: that's why common.h in first before the interface header. |
| 05:59.16 | SportChick | hi everyone |
| 05:59.21 | DTRemenak | ah, yup |
| 05:59.24 | DTRemenak | heya SportChick |
| 05:59.37 | Silver1 | I was also asking about config settings to accomodate central groups. |
| 06:00.57 | learner | funny how the headers inclusions start to make sense the more they get cleaned up and it actually becomes easier to simplify like this .. they were (and some still are) all over the place |
| 06:01.06 | learner | howdy SportChick |
| 06:01.24 | TimRiker | Silver1: the issue we were discussing is that I had made it so all local groups could be global groups. ie: if you had a group names SILVERADMIN and had given it admin privs... if a bb admin created a group called SILVERADMIN on the central list and made someone else the owner, then they would be able to add/remove folks to the global group which would effectively add/remove them from your local group. |
| 06:01.55 | TimRiker | that would obviously be a Bad Thing. |
| 06:02.06 | Silver1 | I see |
| 06:02.23 | TimRiker | DTRemenak saw the problem, and patches it so that each global group had to be specified on the command line. |
| 06:03.07 | TimRiker | I'm fine with local only groups, but prefer a different approach. I'd still like groups to be global by default cause I think that's the direction we should be moving in. |
| 06:03.46 | TimRiker | I proposed either an -excludegroups option or that groups named LOCAL.FOO be local. |
| 06:03.48 | TimRiker | thoughts? |
| 06:04.22 | TimRiker | perhaps if we do that we should rename ADMIN to LOCAL.ADMIN and then only have one check. thoughts from others? |
| 06:04.29 | learner | w00t .. isolated the SIGALRM! |
| 06:04.43 | learner | TimRiker, that sounds reasonable to me |
| 06:05.02 | learner | assuming you can't register a global group named said LOCAL* |
| 06:05.36 | learner | though bzfs ignoreing anything local.* would be sufficient i suppose |
| 06:06.05 | learner | DTRemenak, it's the curl timeout |
| 06:06.08 | learner | result = curl_easy_setopt((CURL*)easyHandle, CURLOPT_TIMEOUT, timeout); |
| 06:06.18 | JeffM2501 | hmmm I think I got the scale a bit wrong |
| 06:06.19 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/tree/ |
| 06:06.20 | learner | if I don't do that, it's fine |
| 06:06.33 | DTRemenak | learner: hmm |
| 06:07.17 | learner | poor sasami bandwidth |
| 06:07.29 | JeffM2501 | big ass image :) |
| 06:08.16 | learner | purdy tree :) |
| 06:08.33 | wegstar_away | nice... |
| 06:08.34 | learner | big ass tree |
| 06:08.49 | JeffM2501 | direct from a quake3 model |
| 06:08.54 | JeffM2501 | well thru milkshape |
| 06:09.01 | learner | mmmmilkshake |
| 06:09.16 | trepan | polycount? |
| 06:09.29 | JeffM2501 | heck if I know |
| 06:09.43 | JeffM2501 | probalby couple 100 |
| 06:09.45 | JeffM2501 | join the server and see |
| 06:09.52 | trepan | too bad i ditched that edge table patch... :) |
| 06:09.53 | learner | framerate? |
| 06:09.57 | TimRiker | learner: nod. at some point we'll patch phpbb, but bzfs should just ignore them anyway. |
| 06:10.09 | JeffM2501 | join the server and see.... |
| 06:10.16 | JeffM2501 | it's still running |
| 06:10.20 | JeffM2501 | tho you won't have the textures |
| 06:10.26 | learner | JeffM2501: SIGALRMs ;) |
| 06:10.48 | JeffM2501 | better incentive |
| 06:10.53 | JeffM2501 | you'll need these too |
| 06:11.00 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/tree/texture |
| 06:12.41 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): At TimRiker's request, reverse the logic of useremotegroups to create excluderemotegroups instead. change default from only fetching VERIFIED to fetching all except ADMIN. |
| 06:13.37 | DTRemenak | hmm, should have been reading here. TimRiker: do you prefer -excluderemotegroups or LOCAL.? |
| 06:13.41 | learner | DTRemenak: woot, fixed it |
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| 06:13.49 | DTRemenak | ~learner++ |
| 06:14.01 | learner | there's an option in 7.10 to disable the SIGALARM |
| 06:14.24 | learner | .. don't know what it'll go for pre 7.10, but it fixed it for me |
| 06:14.38 | learner | apparently it's a problem with multithreaded apps for some reason in libcurl |
| 06:14.50 | learner | and cocoa apps are intrinsically multithreaded |
| 06:15.24 | learner | at least that was the 2 minute reading assertion.. could be wrong |
| 06:17.43 | bryjen | observer movement keys are still flakey |
| 06:18.06 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.in: need substitions on the major and minor versions (which should probably move from the cxx to this file eventually and be provided via config.h). |
| 06:18.43 | DTRemenak | bryjen: fresh config file? |
| 06:18.57 | DTRemenak | or freshly converted at least? |
| 06:19.06 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag-Info.plist.in: stubbed initial Info.plist that gets its version from configure |
| 06:19.07 | bryjen | probly not |
| 06:19.28 | DTRemenak | kill ~/.bzf/2.0/config.cfg and let it re-import it from your 1.10 config |
| 06:19.35 | bryjen | ok |
| 06:19.40 | DTRemenak | there was a bug in the import stuff that left one of the keys bound |
| 06:20.19 | DTRemenak | err, a bunch of the keys bound to one action |
| 06:21.00 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: no stong opinion, but I suppose LOCAL. is a bit cleaner for the long run. thoughts from others? Silver1? Nidhoggr? |
| 06:21.01 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/BZFlag.xcode/project.pbxproj: use the info.plist in the MacOSX dir |
| 06:21.35 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: that's my thought too, but it would mean people would have to upgrade their groupdbs. |
| 06:21.49 | DTRemenak | they should anyway, but how many won't... |
| 06:22.06 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: well I expect that will happen anyway as admins start to use the global groups. |
| 06:22.08 | DTRemenak | it'd be a temporary problem at least |
| 06:22.15 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 06:23.11 | DTRemenak | ADMIN -> LOCAL.ADMIN is the only default-group change we'll have to make, right? |
| 06:23.47 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am: include the generated BZFlag-Info.plist in source dists. |
| 06:25.20 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: yeah. not much point in changind the others that I can see, though a LOCAL.VERIFIED might have different permissions than the global VERIFIED. But the same can be done with another LOCAL.FOO group with less confusion imho. |
| 06:25.29 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 06:26.00 | bryjen | blew out config, but still needed to "Reset to Defaults" on keybindings menu. seems to work after that tho |
| 06:26.17 | JeffM2501 | HA you can get stuck in the tree :) |
| 06:26.37 | bryjen | i only saw one tree with a trunk |
| 06:26.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah Had a dupe and issue |
| 06:26.55 | JeffM2501 | it's just one small tree now |
| 06:26.56 | bryjen | the rest were root and suspended branches |
| 06:27.03 | JeffM2501 | the tree is realy 3 meshes |
| 06:27.10 | JeffM2501 | the dupe put them in 1 mesh |
| 06:27.16 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/common/URLManager.cxx: |
| 06:27.18 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: if the timeout is reached, default curl behavior is to throw a SIGALRM. this |
| 06:27.20 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: happens on Mac OS X regardless (there was list chatter hinting at it being |
| 06:27.21 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: multithreaded related (which cocoa apps are)) so we need to enable another |
| 06:27.24 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: option that disables throwing the signal. This requires curl 7.10 so may need |
| 06:27.26 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: some version wrapping if older versions are in common use. |
| 06:27.31 | JeffM2501 | to the trunks used the branches texture |
| 06:27.33 | JeffM2501 | join now |
| 06:27.36 | JeffM2501 | it's just one small one |
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| 06:34.13 | DTRemenak | dammit, that was bad timing. |
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| 06:35.42 | sgk284 | lol |
| 06:36.28 | sgk284 | heh gotta love those |
| 06:36.28 | DTRemenak | learner: if plans are to move to the curl to _multi interface anyway, perhaps we should just have configure check for 7.10 or higher anyway? |
| 06:36.28 | bryjen | strong little tree to snare a tank |
| 06:36.28 | learner | DTRemenak, perhaps, but I have no idea what are the common versions in use |
| 06:36.28 | TimRiker | Chestal: you see my email re the Callsign= patch you did? should revert that, it was just the temporarily broken temp.php |
| 06:36.28 | TimRiker | ~dinfo libcurl3 |
| 06:37.09 | DTRemenak | learner: we're distributing the windows version with 7.12.3. slackware 10 has 7.12.1. dunno about anywhere else. |
| 06:37.26 | TimRiker | ~dinfo libcurl3 testing |
| 06:38.39 | DTRemenak | suse 9.2 has 7.12.0 |
| 06:39.02 | DTRemenak | suse 8.2 has 7.10.2 |
| 06:39.15 | learner | i'll probably have to compile from source for irix, so no biggie there |
| 06:41.39 | DTRemenak | freebsd-4.10-stable has 7.11.1 |
| 06:41.42 | jpa- | morning |
| 06:41.49 | Thumper_ | morning jpa |
| 06:42.12 | jpa- | good night thumper |
| 06:42.21 | jpa- | it is already 1:42 there :S |
| 06:42.26 | Thumper_ | yup |
| 06:42.37 | Thumper_ | almost done (been saying that for over an hour...) |
| 06:42.48 | TimRiker | sounds familiar |
| 06:42.50 | jpa- | done in what? |
| 06:43.23 | Thumper_ | is there a way in bzadmin to see who is registered - the old version put (R) in lagstats. Is there something similar in 1.11? |
| 06:43.48 | jpa- | and i would like to see teamcolors too |
| 06:44.00 | DTRemenak | hmm, that's probably broken since it's verified not registered now |
| 06:44.03 | jpa- | in the f2 player list, for example |
| 06:44.11 | DTRemenak | it should be modified to do the @/+ thing |
| 06:44.31 | trepan | looking at that tree, would be nice to be able to force faces to render normally even if they have alpha (just for fluffy gfx) |
| 06:44.32 | Thumper_ | that would be nice... for the next version after 2.0 :) |
| 06:45.14 | sgk284 | does @ pop up just for full server admins or is it possible to make it appear for ops too? |
| 06:45.25 | DTRemenak | sgk284: anyone who has BAN, iirc |
| 06:45.32 | sgk284 | okay |
| 06:45.39 | DTRemenak | maybe SHORTBAN too |
| 06:46.11 | jpa- | there should be a ATSIGN permission :) |
| 06:46.33 | trepan | !hasPerm(hideAdmin) && (Admin || hasPerm(ban) || hasPerm(shortBan) |
| 06:46.34 | guu | trepan: NO this one goes here, THAT one goes there! |
| 06:46.38 | trepan | heh |
| 06:47.24 | trepan | DTRemenak: doesn't appear to be |
| 06:47.36 | Thumper_ | so what is SHORTBAN ? |
| 06:47.38 | DTRemenak | heh. well, I'd do it but I don't know what it does :) |
| 06:47.43 | Thumper_ | LOL |
| 06:47.49 | Thumper_ | fair enough |
| 06:48.09 | trepan | DTRemenak: somes other perms are missing from bzfs.6 too |
| 06:48.15 | sgk284 | i think the config can set like a minimum time period for a ban or something then if you try to ban longer then that for certain people it will say you only have shortban rights... |
| 06:48.24 | sgk284 | i may be wrong |
| 06:48.43 | sgk284 | i remember seeing the code and wondering what it did so i skimmed through it |
| 06:49.12 | learner | DTRemenak, odd no motd |
| 06:49.25 | DTRemenak | learner: you hitting the timeout? |
| 06:49.30 | trepan | the anti's, hideAdmin, record/replay, as a few examples |
| 06:50.00 | DTRemenak | they should probably be doc'ed before release |
| 06:50.13 | trepan | yup, probably |
| 06:50.15 | jpa- | no, do not doc anything :) |
| 06:50.55 | jpa- | so people will learn how bzfs source works and you will get dozens of patches for next release :) |
| 06:51.12 | DTRemenak | or people will say "duhhhhhh....but...." and go play quake |
| 06:51.20 | jpa- | haha :) |
| 06:52.06 | learner | DTRemenak, so in a few hours we can probably begin after your lunchtime |
| 06:52.17 | learner | or later if somethign comes up |
| 06:52.30 | DTRemenak | hm? |
| 06:52.47 | TimRiker | URLManager.cxx: In member function `bool |
| 06:52.48 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.48 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.48 | TimRiker | URLManager.cxx:144: error: invalid conversion from `int' to `CURLcode' |
| 06:53.01 | learner | bleh |
| 06:53.27 | Thumper_ | I'm off - night all |
| 06:53.30 | sgk284 | night |
| 06:53.57 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: just fixed |
| 06:54.24 | trepan | learner: "Falcor's Despair" sound like a decent rel. name? ;-) |
| 06:54.34 | TimRiker | use CURLE_OK ? |
| 06:54.37 | learner | =) |
| 06:54.39 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/common/URLManager.cxx: don't initialize without casting, in fact just don't bother |
| 06:54.53 | DTRemenak | brlcad just smashed my commit |
| 06:54.57 | learner | har har .. beat ya all |
| 06:54.58 | DTRemenak | while it was in process no less |
| 06:55.16 | TimRiker | heh |
| 06:55.19 | DTRemenak | *** error from CVS server: conflict detected. Commit aborted. |
| 06:56.16 | jpa- | cvs wars! |
| 06:56.30 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: and yes, CURLE_OK works |
| 06:57.09 | TimRiker | that's what I was about to do, but I too was shot down. |
| 06:57.14 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:57.20 | DTRemenak | three-way collision! :) |
| 06:57.29 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/common/URLManager.cxx: fine, use CURLE_OK ;) |
| 06:57.39 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:57.42 | learner | no collisions here ;) |
| 06:57.54 | jpa- | is brlcad now the master of cvsverse? |
| 06:58.41 | trepan | could be costly :) |
| 06:59.04 | DTRemenak | nope. I just committed my whole tree for the LOCAL. change |
| 06:59.16 | DTRemenak | I try to keep as close to cvs as possible |
| 06:59.36 | DTRemenak | that way I don't lose things and don't commit accidentally |
| 06:59.46 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 06:59.56 | learner | update and commit frequently ;) |
| 07:00.01 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 07:00.04 | learner | rare a conflict |
| 07:00.33 | DTRemenak | I think that's the first time I've actually seen an error from the server though. Usually it does "up to date check failed for <file>" |
| 07:00.48 | learner | ahh, you were close :) |
| 07:00.56 | jpa- | while true; do sleep 1; cvs co; done; |
| 07:01.01 | jpa- | realtime cvs! :) |
| 07:01.32 | learner | jpa-, i have something similar via cron, albeit not non-stop like that |
| 07:01.52 | learner | and not checkout -- want updates |
| 07:02.30 | jpa- | so you want your bugs to conquer the world, not others bugs to conquer your machine :) |
| 07:03.00 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: ccache is your friend. |
| 07:03.10 | DTRemenak | ccache is a 2gb hdd's enemy :) |
| 07:03.27 | TimRiker | ah. well, I can see that perspective too. |
| 07:03.47 | DTRemenak | but yes, ccache on my slackware install is very impressive |
| 07:04.06 | DTRemenak | I suppose I should figure out how to cross-compile for my server from this machine |
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| 07:06.18 | learner | Lipan, hello :) |
| 07:06.18 | Lipan | learner: Error: "hello" is not a valid command. |
| 07:06.27 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 07:06.29 | learner | Lipan, nick guu |
| 07:06.29 | Lipan | learner: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 07:06.29 | guu | Dunno! |
| 07:06.43 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 07:07.11 | learner | wegstar_away's playing with supy |
| 07:07.18 | DTRemenak | wegstar_away: your bot isn't very well trained :) |
| 07:07.26 | wegstar_away | yep |
| 07:07.36 | wegstar_away | nthough I used something else than PHP :) |
| 07:08.43 | TimRiker | great. we need another supybot in here? |
| 07:08.56 | wegstar_away | heh..no |
| 07:09.42 | TimRiker | #botpark might be a good place to try it out? ;-) |
| 07:09.53 | wegstar_away | yeah.. |
| 07:12.21 | TimRiker | /register should be disabled if there is no passdb |
| 07:14.33 | learner | wouldn't want to use just and in-memory list/file? |
| 07:15.19 | learner | probably doesn't matter .. if they have some wierd desire to reset passwords on a server reset, that's pretty wierd :) |
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| 07:19.22 | Silver1 | TimRiker, regarding groups, global groups being the default and requiring LOCAL.foo for a local makes good sense. |
| 07:19.50 | Silver1 | Yes, I'm laggy. ;) |
| 07:20.39 | SportChick | learner: you kep going nr |
| 07:20.42 | DTRemenak | cool :) |
| 07:23.41 | TimRiker | Silver1: thanx. I think DTRemenak already make it so. |
| 07:24.44 | TimRiker | hmm. /register and /identify should both be disabled if there is no passdb |
| 07:27.55 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker: I made a patch for that |
| 07:28.03 | JeffM2501 | it was just not applied |
| 07:28.21 | SportChick | learner: you kept going nr |
| 07:28.30 | SportChick | and that server seems exceptionally laggy today |
| 07:29.31 | learner | SportChick, expected with a frame rate of 3 |
| 07:29.48 | learner | improved after I set the depth buffer |
| 07:29.56 | learner | (to 20 or so) |
| 07:38.10 | trepan | and bzfs.cxx/622 |
| 07:44.54 | MeBigFatGuy | i don't notice a difference :) |
| 07:45.26 | trepan | you playing against someone? |
| 07:45.31 | MeBigFatGuy | yup |
| 07:45.40 | trepan | hmmm, oh well |
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| 07:47.04 | trepan | wouldn't be that big of a loss if that flag was removed |
| 07:56.32 | MeBigFatGuy | no biggie |
| 07:56.53 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: on SF someplace? |
| 07:58.25 | trepan | MeBigFatGuy: with positional shot updates, and recent timestamp adjustments, it's probably having a negligible effect |
| 07:59.05 | trepan | also, it has the potential to give the lagged player an advantage w.r.t. SR tanks |
| 07:59.16 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 08:12.49 | wegstar | 'nite all |
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| 08:14.20 | trepan | lag flag: to be or not to be? speak now or forever hold your peace |
| 08:15.08 | learner | i'd leave it.. can be fixed later.. okay if does nothing |
| 08:15.24 | trepan | it does 'something' |
| 08:15.43 | learner | at least won't have to break protocol once it's fixed to "turn it on" hopefully |
| 08:15.56 | learner | supposed to queue up messages and deliver them delayed |
| 08:16.17 | trepan | that it does |
| 08:16.34 | learner | perhaps not holding them long enough? |
| 08:16.38 | trepan | but there's more to making it work then that |
| 08:16.40 | learner | or mac's lag is already too high :) |
| 08:16.57 | trepan | see above: positional shot updates, and potential D-R weirdness |
| 08:17.03 | MeBigFatGuy | bing! |
| 08:17.16 | trepan | MeBigFatGuy: that took a while ;-) |
| 08:17.30 | MeBigFatGuy | --LAG |
| 08:23.12 | DTRemenak | how much work is a flag that's no fun anyway worth? :) |
| 08:23.48 | SportChick | yeah! if you wanna work hard on a flag, work on the "Judas Flag"!! |
| 08:24.12 | SportChick | what's not to understand? |
| 08:24.22 | DTRemenak | what's it good...er...bad for? |
| 08:24.54 | SportChick | when you pick up the judas flag, you would be suddenly a diff color on a diff team, so long as you hold the flag |
| 08:25.18 | SportChick | and you have to BE on that team - shoot your former teammates, etc. |
| 08:25.25 | SportChick | when you drop it, you're back to normal |
| 08:25.40 | SportChick | forces people to pay attention ot what they pick up |
| 08:26.07 | DTRemenak | hm. that *is* a challenging one to code up |
| 08:26.14 | SportChick | :) |
| 08:26.25 | SportChick | hey, never say I can't think up things that are challenging for you guys |
| 08:26.39 | DTRemenak | oh, I won't say that :) |
| 08:26.52 | DTRemenak | you have lots of good ideas :) |
| 08:27.43 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (19 files in 6 dirs): remove Lag flag and some unused files |
| 08:27.58 | DTRemenak | just making sure you aren't underestimating your value to us |
| 08:28.15 | SportChick | hehe, yeah, I'm very valuable when it comes to handing out karma |
| 08:28.19 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 08:28.26 | DTRemenak | not quite what I meant... :) |
| 08:28.57 | SportChick | sure it is, you just didn't realize it |
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| 08:29.28 | DTRemenak | heh, trepan: you just broke all the project files, congrats :) |
| 08:29.40 | SportChick | hehe |
| 08:29.55 | DTRemenak | lan56: you've got a couple updates to make to the .dev projects, trepan just ripped out like 6 files |
| 08:30.09 | trepan | 8 |
| 08:30.15 | DTRemenak | ok, 8 :) |
| 08:30.47 | trepan | consider it my version of 'ws' cleanup :) |
| 08:31.06 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 08:32.56 | trepan | i'd fix 'em by hand, but that's probably not a good idea, especially blind |
| 08:32.57 | lan56 | dtremenak: I'll do that now |
| 08:33.37 | DTRemenak | trepan: that's how I do the vc6 files :) |
| 08:34.29 | trepan | shoulda been 10 files, OpenGLDisplayList is unused too |
| 08:36.01 | trepan | oh well, spared for the sake of nostalgia |
| 08:38.31 | TimRiker | package/Make-* aren't used anymore either, right? |
| 08:40.00 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/ (game.vcproj 3D.vcproj): removed files |
| 08:40.19 | MeBigFatGuy | dag nabbit, beaten again |
| 08:40.52 | MeBigFatGuy | welp, off to bed |
| 08:41.31 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC6/ (game.dsp 3D.dsp): removed files |
| 08:42.42 | lan56 | wait a minute, still changing the .dev files |
| 08:42.56 | DTRemenak | trepan: yeah, yeah... |
| 08:43.07 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/package/ (7 files): nuke Make-* |
| 08:44.23 | jpa- | hello, i found a bug |
| 08:44.40 | jpa- | when playing, press pause, wait 1 sec, press del |
| 08:44.46 | jpa- | you self-destruct after pausing |
| 08:44.52 | jpa- | and spawn, shoot and get kicked |
| 08:44.59 | trepan | DTRemenak: lag flag wasn't documented in bzflag.6s anyways :) |
| 08:45.04 | DTRemenak | trepan: :) |
| 08:45.06 | jpa- | i think paused should be cleared when spawning |
| 08:46.06 | TimRiker | ../../../src/common/URLManager.cxx:153: `CURLOPT_NOSIGNAL' undeclared |
| 08:46.34 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: what is your CURL version? |
| 08:46.36 | TimRiker | libcurl 7.9.5 - redhat 7.3 box =( |
| 08:46.49 | DTRemenak | ah. that's probably what learner was talking about then. |
| 08:46.56 | DTRemenak | there's probably a define in curl.h for the version |
| 08:47.52 | DTRemenak | yeah, #define LIBCURL_VERSION_NUM 0x070c03 |
| 08:48.47 | TimRiker | ? meaning you want me to add that? |
| 08:48.52 | DTRemenak | heh, no |
| 08:49.32 | DTRemenak | but you can make the block learner added dependent on #if defined (LIBCURL_VERSION_NUM) && (LIBCURL_VERSION_NUM >= 0x070a00) |
| 08:50.20 | jpa- | should i do something about that bug i found? |
| 08:50.20 | DTRemenak | learner implied that older versions wouldn't trigger the alarms anyway |
| 08:50.27 | jpa- | or just leave it be :) |
| 08:50.57 | TimRiker | jpa-: submit it on SF |
| 08:51.01 | DTRemenak | jpa-: that's a very convoluted bug, and will likely take some time to find the cause of. filing a bug for it on sf.net is probably the best solution |
| 08:51.15 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: LIBCURL_VERSION_NUM should always be defined there, no? |
| 08:51.23 | DTRemenak | afaik |
| 08:51.40 | trepan | (Fixed in 7.10) CURLOPT_NOSIGNAL was added for multi-threaded programs to use |
| 08:52.00 | jpa- | ok |
| 08:52.17 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzflag.dev bzfs.dev): updates |
| 08:52.18 | DTRemenak | trepan: bzfs isn't multithreaded except under mac anyway |
| 08:52.38 | lan56 | anybody have dev-C++ istalled, or willing to try building with the .dev files? I get linker errors, NOT from BZFlag but for c++ stuff, and I don't know why, I want to know if it is just me |
| 08:52.39 | trepan | also in the client? |
| 08:53.03 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: why is it on mac? |
| 08:54.13 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: it's a cocoa app or something |
| 08:54.37 | TimRiker | hmm. with a gui? |
| 08:54.47 | lan56 | I have a hunch it is just me because I just tried out an old copy of the .dev file, and I still get the errors, most likely me, so nobody feel pressured to build those dev-c++ files, I am 99% positive it is just me |
| 08:55.04 | DTRemenak | <learner>and cocoa apps are intrinsically multithreaded |
| 08:55.09 | lan56 | but someone else trying wouldn't hurt either ;) |
| 08:55.13 | DTRemenak | I know nothing more than what he said |
| 08:55.24 | TimRiker | k |
| 08:55.27 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/common/URLManager.cxx: not on old curls |
| 08:55.34 | trepan | lan56: sry, linux only over here; best of luck |
| 08:56.00 | lan56 | trepan: ahh, don't sweat it, it's fine |
| 08:56.01 | DTRemenak | lan56: the only box I had that had dev-c++ functional is in Fresno now |
| 08:56.21 | lan56 | dtremenak: it's cool too |
| 08:58.25 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/.cvsignore: BZFlag-Info.plist |
| 09:01.57 | lan56 | alright, nevermind, I recompiled my .dev file and those errors go away, so yes it was 100% me, so the .dev files are perfectly fine, I repeat, -they are perfectly fine and updated-, just in case anybody was worried, I just goofed as I was playing with GCC earlier |
| 09:02.08 | lan56 | g'night, hope a release is soon |
| 09:03.37 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/bzfs.vcproj: for whatever reason, DelayQueue was being compiled twice in two projects. get rid of the second instance also |
| 09:04.23 | *** topic/#bzflag by DTRemenak -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || 1.11.x builds http://my.bzflag.org/builds/1.11/ || Shellshock is revived http://shellshock.bzflag.bz || Release date is a continuum of time in this general area || NO IT'S NOT OUT YET || MAL = 4 |
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| 09:25.35 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/include/ (9 files): ws |
| 09:25.48 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (39 files in 10 dirs): ws |
| 09:26.04 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 2 dirs): ws |
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| 11:10.29 | Pimpinella | sry for repeat, i dunno if it reached the channel because of a disconnect: |
| 11:10.34 | Pimpinella | DTRemenak: here libcurl is just the version requested by configure (7.9.5 ?) |
| 11:10.40 | Pimpinella | URLManager.cxx:153: `CURLOPT_NOSIGNAL' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 11:10.43 | Pimpinella | what might be this, a missing header? |
| 11:10.45 | Pimpinella | a similar problem was with errno.h lately |
| 11:10.55 | Pimpinella | it built fine in debian/sid, not here with debian/woody |
| 11:14.49 | Pimpinella | About the global groups thing: |
| 11:17.31 | trepan | Pimpinella: a fix for CURLOPT_NOSIGNAL was put in last night |
| 11:18.42 | Pimpinella | making global groups on a groups name while having local groups to be named explicitly would definately be a bad thing (imho) |
| 11:18.45 | Pimpinella | trepan: ty |
| 11:19.12 | trepan | http://members.rogers.com/trepan/treerock.jpg |
| 11:19.42 | trepan | requires a slight protocol mod to speedup alpha-masked rendering... |
| 11:20.01 | Pimpinella | yeah, great |
| 11:20.06 | purple_cow | trepan: wow |
| 11:20.10 | purple_cow | that looks like a real game |
| 11:20.15 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 11:20.18 | trepan | trees are from JeffM's OBJ->bzw converter |
| 11:20.50 | trepan | purple_cow: i've got a partially working blender bzw exporter for meshes |
| 11:21.47 | purple_cow | cool |
| 11:21.59 | purple_cow | trepan: don't worry, it comes quickly |
| 11:22.30 | trepan | ya, it's pretty simple, but the other problem is i haven't found a good spec for the blender python interface |
| 11:22.37 | trepan | based on the OBJ exporter for now |
| 11:23.20 | Pimpinella | giving control about privs out of control of the server operator should only perform explicitly, and not by default (and using global groups gives away control) |
| 11:24.40 | Pimpinella | LOCAL. should be optional, while GLOBAL. would have to be given explicitly |
| 11:24.44 | trepan | purple_cow: and the other larger problem is that i nuked my mesh edge table patch |
| 11:25.08 | trepan | and don't have it in me to recreate it, stuck with damned inside/outside junk unless someone else wants to do it |
| 11:25.24 | Pimpinella | i strongly support DTRemenak's initial point |
| 11:25.29 | cods | trepan: nice trees ! |
| 11:25.47 | trepan | cods: JeffM's converted trees! |
| 11:26.17 | Pimpinella | whats the command to give TimRiker a hint to read here? |
| 11:26.45 | trepan | he might trigger on the word "karma" ;-) |
| 11:26.55 | Pimpinella | lol |
| 11:27.30 | Pimpinella | was something that makes ibot sending him an email |
| 11:27.38 | Pimpinella | iirc |
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| 11:28.25 | Pimpinella | grr, all those guys wot read anything written at this time of day |
| 11:28.45 | Pimpinella | moin sussi |
| 11:28.54 | sussi | nmoin |
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| 11:29.41 | sussi | ciao Z |
| 11:30.00 | |zongo| | hey sussi! |
| 11:30.11 | Pimpinella | yo |zongo| |
| 11:30.21 | |zongo| | yoyo Pimpinella :) |
| 11:31.03 | |zongo| | i see every1 is waiting here :P |
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| 11:35.23 | Pimpinella | especially if operators don't update their group file there's a good chance that they have players with privs on their server wh shuldn't have some |
| 11:35.37 | cods | ah? |
| 11:35.59 | Pimpinella | while the local groups would be ignored |
| 11:42.37 | trepan | http://members.rogers.com/trepan/treerock.jpg , denser trees, no face culling |
| 11:54.08 | trepan | Pimpinella: i would rather see NET.ADMIN groups then LOCAL.ADMIN groups, for the sake of backwards compatibility |
| 11:54.35 | Pimpinella | NET? |
| 11:54.37 | trepan | or GLOBAL.ADMIN, semantics |
| 11:56.32 | trepan | but i also support requiring that public servers honor the GLOBAL/NET permissions |
| 11:57.45 | Pimpinella | DTRemenak made FOO to be taken as local group, while net/global groups had to be given expiitly |
| 11:58.04 | Pimpinella | but TimRiker made him reverting that |
| 11:58.36 | trepan | yup, i think that that was a mistake |
| 11:58.58 | Pimpinella | Tim wants FOO to be global, and local groups to be declared as LOCAL.FOO |
| 11:59.42 | Pimpinella | at least what is now the default group ADMIN will be LOCAL.ADMIN then |
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| 12:00.34 | Pimpinella | i just wonder if TimRiker really ever got in touch with server operators :( |
| 12:01.47 | Pimpinella | whenever i saw him talking about user management he spoke against our interests |
| 12:01.58 | trepan | who is "our" ? |
| 12:02.39 | Pimpinella | s/our/most operators |
| 12:02.55 | Pimpinella | at least most of those i know |
| 12:03.17 | trepan | maybe you could get DTR to make it right again :) |
| 12:03.31 | Pimpinella | hehe |
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| 12:40.49 | mmu_man | Trying... Flags nto supported by this cilent: {1} |
| 12:40.50 | mmu_man | ?? |
| 12:41.07 | mmu_man | ( bzflag.hispot.net:5555) |
| 12:42.57 | Chestal | the lag bad flag got removed, it's probably that |
| 12:45.49 | mmu_man | k |
| 12:50.26 | Pimpinella | where's CURLOPT_NOSIGNAL defined? |
| 12:50.46 | Pimpinella | it's not in /lib/include/curl/* |
| 12:53.18 | Tupone | Pimpinella: what version of curl |
| 12:53.56 | Pimpinella | 7.9.5 |
| 12:55.39 | Tupone | #if LIBCURL_VERSION_NUM >= 0x070a00 |
| 12:55.45 | Tupone | you should not use it |
| 12:57.28 | Pimpinella | hm, ./configure still asks for 7.9.5 here :( |
| 12:58.19 | Tupone | ok, but there is an #if in the code, so NOSIGNAL is not used |
| 12:58.38 | Tupone | going to lunch |
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| 13:59.31 | Pimpinella | the binaries seem to be build with debug symbols, how can i turn this off? |
| 14:01.35 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (10 files in 7 dirs): |
| 14:01.35 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: - bump protocol and version |
| 14:01.35 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: - add "noculling", "nosorting", and "alphathresh" material properties |
| 14:01.35 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: - "noculling" only applies to clustered mesh faces |
| 14:01.35 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: - "nosorting" allows for clustering of alpha'ed mesh faces, and routes |
| 14:01.36 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: them into the depth buffer renderering path (if it is enabled) |
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| 14:15.33 | cods | is something really wrong in this map: |
| 14:15.34 | cods | http://tuxee.net/tele.txt |
| 14:15.35 | cods | ? |
| 14:15.54 | cods | (using 3 days old bzflag cvs) |
| 14:17.02 | Pimpinella | only one link? |
| 14:17.07 | cods | yes |
| 14:17.58 | Pimpinella | nver new, that link works with teleporter names |
| 14:17.59 | cods | I'm updating my script to generate link from teleporter name instead of using teleporter position in the world stream.. and got this error. |
| 14:18.37 | cods | hmm, so it's an error in my map ? |
| 14:18.49 | cods | (i don't really understand your answer) |
| 14:19.28 | Pimpinella | thought it could only be like from 1 to 3 |
| 14:19.42 | Pimpinella | not by teleporter name |
| 14:19.52 | Pimpinella | it's new to me, but really handy |
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| 14:22.27 | cods | ok, I got the answer.. I need to use 'teleporter <name>' and not a 'name' property. |
| 14:22.42 | Pimpinella | explain |
| 14:24.43 | cods | 'teleporter t1; position ...; size ...; end' instead of 'teleporter; name t1; ...; end' |
| 14:25.01 | Pimpinella | ic |
| 14:25.04 | cods | then a link can like in my example, refer to t1:b or t1:c |
| 14:25.13 | cods | s/like/link/ |
| 14:25.20 | cods | hmm, no s/// |
| 14:25.21 | cods | duh |
| 14:25.42 | cods | I mean t1:b or t1:f |
| 14:25.47 | Pimpinella | k |
| 14:25.55 | Pimpinella | just wondering ;) |
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| 16:04.10 | learner | dang unavaible number waking me up |
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| 16:14.19 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.in: prefer to link libcurl static for now on macos due to 10.2 vs 10.3 differences. check for the search_paths_first linker flag to not always use the first dylib found. |
| 16:17.08 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/BZFlag.xcode/project.pbxproj: search our own .app Frameworks via @executable_path/../Frameworks so that we can bundle SDL internally. remove the dynamic lib as required so single binary is used on 10.2 and 10.3. |
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| 16:28.20 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/ (4 files in 4 dirs): accept sf patch 1100328 from arigo -- modifies the MsgTimeUpdate to support times longer than 18 hours and aborting the countdown on a -1 update. future server-side mod may utilize this to pause/resume/stop countdowns. |
| 16:38.06 | learner | DTRemenak: ping |
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| 16:39.58 | learner | we'd talked about where to put new tools.. jeff's obj->bzw converter actually compiles just fine for me so wondering where to put it -- you'd said something about what tools/ vs src/tools/ should mean but I don't remember |
| 16:40.52 | learner | or if anyone else cares to chime in ;) |
| 16:41.53 | learner | for a small tool like that that works everywhere, initial motivation would be to put it into src/tools/toolname/ dir |
| 16:42.33 | learner | though I suppose top level tools could serve just that same purpose too |
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| 16:53.06 | learner | okay so DTRemenak said at the time.. basically have end-user stuff in src/ and rare infrequently used other tools in tools/ |
| 16:53.08 | |zongo| | learner i have a pro building with macosx |
| 16:53.22 | learner | huh? |
| 16:53.29 | |zongo| | MacPlatformFactory.cxx:84: error: parse error before `;' token |
| 16:53.29 | |zongo| | make[3]: *** [MacPlatformFactory.o] Error 1 |
| 16:53.29 | |zongo| | make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 16:53.35 | learner | ahh, pro-blem |
| 16:53.46 | |zongo| | hehe, yes ;) |
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| 16:56.16 | learner | hrm.. that's sdl joystick |
| 16:56.28 | learner | |zongo| are you building with or without sdl and how are you building? |
| 16:56.47 | |zongo| | i did a ./configure --enable-debug |
| 16:56.52 | |zongo| | but i have SDL installed |
| 16:59.21 | learner | i don't know .. did it say it was going to build with sdl? |
| 16:59.37 | |zongo| | wait gonna check |
| 17:01.37 | |zongo| | checking SDL/SDL.h usability... yes |
| 17:01.38 | |zongo| | checking SDL/SDL.h presence... yes |
| 17:01.38 | |zongo| | checking for SDL/SDL.h... yes |
| 17:01.47 | |zongo| | checking for SDL framework... yes |
| 17:02.33 | learner | how did you install sdl? |
| 17:02.49 | |zongo| | well from the sdl download page |
| 17:02.56 | |zongo| | at it worked until today |
| 17:03.20 | |zongo| | i built 1.11.x several times |
| 17:03.21 | learner | it didn't think you had sdl until today :) |
| 17:03.40 | |zongo| | ? |
| 17:03.47 | learner | fixes last night to allow libsdl downloaded framework to work -- it had to be fink before |
| 17:04.12 | learner | regardless, that error's not making sense.. is there an error before it? |
| 17:04.13 | |zongo| | i installed it 1 week ago coz there was something wrong with the non sdl one |
| 17:05.03 | learner | installing the sdl framework wouldn't have made it work.. build changes were needed |
| 17:05.27 | learner | though I did add the -framework check about a week ago |
| 17:05.36 | |zongo| | MacPlatformFactory.cxx:15:22: SDLMedia.h: No such file or directory |
| 17:05.36 | |zongo| | MacPlatformFactory.cxx:16:24: SDLDisplay.h: No such file or directory |
| 17:05.36 | |zongo| | MacPlatformFactory.cxx:17:25: SDLJoystick.h: No such file or directory |
| 17:05.36 | |zongo| | MacPlatformFactory.cxx: In member function `virtual BzfDisplay* |
| 17:05.36 | |zongo| | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.37 | |zongo| | MacPlatformFactory.cxx:41: error: parse error before `(' token |
| 17:05.39 | |zongo| | MacPlatformFactory.cxx: In member function `virtual BzfVisual* |
| 17:05.41 | |zongo| | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.43 | |zongo| | MacPlatformFactory.cxx:52: error: parse error before `(' token |
| 17:05.43 | learner | aha |
| 17:05.45 | |zongo| | MacPlatformFactory.cxx:49: warning: unused parameter `const BzfDisplay*_display |
| 17:05.48 | learner | now THAT is important :P |
| 17:05.57 | |zongo| | im sry i am a newbie :/ |
| 17:06.15 | learner | always best to show the very first error encountered ;) |
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| 17:06.24 | |zongo| | yeah... |
| 17:07.00 | learner | |zongo|, you need to rerune ./autogen.sh && ./configure |
| 17:07.24 | learner | the cppflags changed in that directory's makefile |
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| 17:08.50 | |zongo| | i simply rerun both? dats all? |
| 17:09.03 | learner | should be all |
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| 17:21.18 | t-s | so it's possible to compile latest source on Mac? |
| 17:21.25 | noyb | hi JeffM2501, I just got here too. |
| 17:21.41 | learner | t-s, yes |
| 17:21.47 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 17:21.47 | learner | at least it works here for me |
| 17:21.56 | t-s | Hmpf, how? |
| 17:22.41 | t-s | I've checked out that CVS-version, did ./autogen.sh;./configure;make and got the same error as described above |
| 17:25.35 | noyb | t-s: I missed the error, but it works for me on macosx 10.3.7. |
| 17:25.55 | t-s | Same OS, not working :-( |
| 17:25.57 | learner | t-s, hrm.. might be a automake version incompatibility with the libMac_a_CPPFLAGS |
| 17:26.06 | JeffM2501 | learner: the mac is on |
| 17:26.09 | JeffM2501 | if you need it |
| 17:26.15 | learner | excellent |
| 17:26.24 | learner | yeah, I got a test build ready |
| 17:26.32 | noyb | t-s: I have gcc 3.3 |
| 17:27.03 | JeffM2501 | der linkenstine? |
| 17:27.08 | t-s | iBuch:~/bzflag ts$ gcc --v |
| 17:27.09 | t-s | Reading specs from /usr/libexec/gcc/darwin/ppc/3.3/specs |
| 17:27.09 | t-s | Thread model: posix |
| 17:27.09 | t-s | gcc version 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1666) |
| 17:28.24 | learner | t-s, edit src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am and change libMac_a_CPPFLAGS to AM_FLAGS and redo the ./autogen.sh && ./configure |
| 17:30.56 | JeffM2501 | ibot message for timriker, yes on sf (sorry I went to watch TV) it was patch 1102490 |
| 17:30.58 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/tools/Makefile.am: initial makefile.am to build the optional tools/ stuff. one dir per tool with a make rule for each dir to go into it and build it (some will compile, some will not depending on your system). |
| 17:31.19 | t-s | learner: you mean I should substitute "libMac_a_CPPFLAGS"? |
| 17:32.03 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.in: create tools/Makefile |
| 17:32.31 | JeffM2501 | learner: where would I get said thingy |
| 17:34.01 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/tools/bzwtransform/Makefile.am: add initial build makefile for bzwtransform |
| 17:34.26 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.in: create tools/bzwtransform/Makefile |
| 17:35.01 | t-s | learner: With "libMac_a_CPPFLAGS = AM_FLAGS" it also don't compile |
| 17:35.29 | learner | that's not what I said to do |
| 17:35.43 | learner | JeffM2501, not uploaded anywhere yet |
| 17:35.45 | learner | gimme a sec |
| 17:35.53 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 17:36.04 | JeffM2501 | or just scp it directly if you want |
| 17:36.58 | learner | k, probably faster |
| 17:37.27 | jpa- | how do i disable polls? |
| 17:37.33 | |zongo| | learner: i have the same problems |
| 17:37.46 | jpa- | people polled /set gravity -1 while i was away :D |
| 17:37.59 | JeffM2501 | move the poll perm to admin |
| 17:38.09 | JeffM2501 | well out of reg and default |
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| 17:38.32 | learner | |zongo|, follow the same instructions.. "change libMac_a_CPPFLAGS to AM_FLAGS and redo the ./autogen.sh && ./configure" |
| 17:38.42 | learner | ack, typo |
| 17:38.45 | learner | AM_CPPFLAGS |
| 17:38.52 | |zongo| | ok sry was reading it...i imissed the discussion sry |
| 17:39.09 | learner | t-s, AM_CPPFLAGS = ... |
| 17:40.14 | learner | jpa-, you can also make it impossible to create a poll via poll configuration |
| 17:40.14 | t-s | learner: I understand. I am just too much confused sometimes |
| 17:41.31 | learner | jpa-, bzfs -poll votesRequired 256 for example |
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| 17:43.38 | jpa- | learner: that is wrong in the config file btw |
| 17:43.55 | jpa- | learner: there is -votesRequired, with no -poll in front of it |
| 17:44.02 | jpa- | that is why it didn't work |
| 17:44.32 | learner | jpa-, erhm -- actually it's changed in 1.11 is why |
| 17:44.56 | learner | you're using 1.10 bzfs i take? |
| 17:45.27 | learner | JeffM2501, uploading |
| 17:45.37 | learner | JeffM2501, how does obj2bzw sound? |
| 17:45.59 | JeffM2501 | learner: it's designed to do more then obj |
| 17:46.22 | JeffM2501 | just obj was all I hooked up |
| 17:46.31 | learner | hrm |
| 17:46.42 | learner | k |
| 17:46.57 | JeffM2501 | it should be simple to add stuff like stl |
| 17:47.01 | JeffM2501 | and other things like that |
| 17:47.11 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: I hear from quite a few admins. I realise that the local/global groups is a painful at the moment. however, I feel it is the right way forward. Admins should edit user and group files during the move, and users will be from the global list now. Groups that are shared are easier to admin than local groups. clans, leagues, etc will be global groups so global groups will be the common occurance. |
| 17:48.20 | JeffM2501 | learner: patch 1102809 does not have a makefile ( tho it only needs 2 cpp files ), and does contain 2 extra files that can be removed |
| 17:48.27 | JeffM2501 | the cpp files in the vc71 dir |
| 17:48.29 | JeffM2501 | they are empty |
| 17:48.35 | learner | already noticed :) |
| 17:48.38 | learner | and fixed |
| 17:48.45 | JeffM2501 | leftovers from the project maker thingy |
| 17:48.49 | JeffM2501 | does it run on 'nix? |
| 17:49.09 | learner | ran just fine |
| 17:49.14 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:49.24 | JeffM2501 | notice there isn't a single #def in it for OS :) |
| 17:49.27 | learner | at least compiled glitchless |
| 17:49.36 | learner | i dont' have a obj on hand right this sen |
| 17:49.38 | learner | s/sen/sec |
| 17:49.44 | TimRiker | guu: patch 1102809 |
| 17:50.01 | JeffM2501 | guu sf |
| 17:50.03 | guu | JeffM2501: Module for Sourceforge stuff. Currently contains commands to query a project's most recent bugs and rfes. |
| 17:50.12 | JeffM2501 | it won't do patches |
| 17:50.28 | TimRiker | got this: guu Error: Invalid Tracker page snarfed: http://sourceforge.net/support/tracker.php?aid=1102809 |
| 17:50.58 | JeffM2501 | #1102490 disable logins if no db files are specified and 1102809 OBJ based model converter |
| 17:51.28 | |zongo| | learner: i replaced _correctly_ libMac_a_ by AM but i have errors |
| 17:51.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah it dosn't know how to read patches, just rfe's and bugs |
| 17:51.37 | |zongo| | MacWindow.cxx:421:5: warning: "DEBUG" is not defined |
| 17:51.37 | JeffM2501 | guu sf bugs bzflag |
| 17:51.37 | |zongo| | MacWindow.cxx:543:5: warning: "DEBUG" is not defined |
| 17:51.37 | |zongo| | MacWindow.cxx: In member function `virtual void MacWindow::showWindow(bool)': |
| 17:51.37 | |zongo| | MacWindow.cxx:440: warning: unused parameter `bool show' |
| 17:51.41 | TimRiker | the url forwards to the correct patch page, looks like a supybug that it does not grok the page. |
| 17:51.42 | guu | JeffM2501: #1102836: Paused-state is not cleared when..., #1101389: WindowsXP Server BUG!, #1099597: hunting feature in rabbit mode..., #1097284: bzadmin won't connect by hostname..., #1091616: Autokick for speed dropping burrow..., #1087704: FiringInfo class allows weapon..., #1022834: freeze under fedora core2, #1019619: Can shoot "through" teleporters, #1018890: rpm -bb obsolete: (4 more messages) |
| 17:51.54 | learner | |zongo|, those are warnings |
| 17:51.59 | JeffM2501 | guu sf rfe bzflag |
| 17:52.07 | JeffM2501 | guu sf rfes bzflag |
| 17:52.10 | guu | JeffM2501: #1089431: Secure Scores, #1087847: pausing the timer, #1087710: Halo2-esque player emblems, #1073653: Voice chat key to more team work, #1050384: (CC) Color Changer, #1041603: Global and local "No shooting" zones, #1034428: new ability for administrators -..., #1032367: Grim Reaper, Fog of War, Defender, #1028124: temporal inmunity, #1027214: New fantastic solution on (4 more messages) |
| 17:52.11 | TimRiker | guu: bugs |
| 17:52.15 | guu | TimRiker: #1102836: Paused-state is not cleared when..., #1101389: WindowsXP Server BUG!, #1099597: hunting feature in rabbit mode..., #1097284: bzadmin won't connect by hostname..., #1091616: Autokick for speed dropping burrow..., #1087704: FiringInfo class allows weapon..., #1022834: freeze under fedora core2, #1019619: Can shoot "through" teleporters, #1018890: rpm -bb obsolete: (4 more messages) |
| 17:52.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's right it's the default project |
| 17:52.29 | JeffM2501 | forgot about that |
| 17:52.33 | TimRiker | =) |
| 17:52.35 | learner | |zongo|: first error line? |
| 17:52.37 | JeffM2501 | wonder if they have added patches yet |
| 17:52.38 | *** join/#bzflag bz6803 (~c24eda9f@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 17:52.59 | |zongo| | make[3]: *** [SDLMain.o] Error 127 |
| 17:53.13 | |zongo| | but im not sure if its the very first... |
| 17:53.14 | JeffM2501 | 1102809 was used to make the tree, it could be built binary and included with the windows install to help the future mapers |
| 17:53.19 | JeffM2501 | if you so desire |
| 17:53.22 | *** part/#bzflag ajb (~ajb@jabber.org.uk) |
| 17:53.29 | JeffM2501 | I'm going to use it to make the map of d00m |
| 17:55.12 | JeffM2501 | I "could" add somethig to the converter and realy screw people up :) |
| 17:55.24 | JeffM2501 | C:\Documents and Settings\JeffM\Desktop\BSPLoader_OGL\BSP Loader |
| 17:57.58 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: accept sf patch 1102809 -- initial modeltool source with header fixes. this presently allows direct conversion of .obj files to .bzw |
| 17:58.05 | t-s | learner: I can confirm this one |
| 17:58.53 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10web/ (document.php cgi-bin/moin_config.py): league moved |
| 17:58.56 | t-s | learner: It is the first one! |
| 17:59.07 | learner | |zongo|: that's the summary error.. can you paste the entire last build file and everything that follows to pastebin.ca ? |
| 17:59.35 | |zongo| | ok |
| 18:00.34 | TimRiker | guu: patches |
| 18:00.40 | guu | TimRiker: #1102809: OBJ based model converter, #1102805: ProFont for BZFlag, #1102490: disable logins if no db files are..., #1094268: sdl patch to enable 8 bit direct color, #1058939: Integrate Kerberos with permissions, #1047746: Test dead reckoning quality..., #1000799: insults upon death of player [PATCH], #996930: using FTGL as a font rendering engine, #989301: -requireregister / (4 more messages) |
| 18:00.44 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:01.52 | |zongo| | learner: done |
| 18:01.56 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/vc71/ (modeltool.sln modeltool.vcproj): initial vc71 build from for modeltool from sf patch 1102809 |
| 18:02.31 | *** join/#bzflag sgk284 (~sgk284@static-68-162-83-178.phil.east.verizon.net) |
| 18:02.38 | sgk284 | hello |
| 18:05.49 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/Makefile.am: initial makefile template for modeltool build |
| 18:07.02 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.in: generate the tools/modeltool makefile |
| 18:07.36 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/tools/Makefile.am: add modeltool |
| 18:13.56 | learner | JeffM2501, uploaded to my ~ |
| 18:14.00 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/tools/TextTool-W32/Makefile.am: initial makefile to build texttool even if it is rather platform dependent at the moment |
| 18:15.26 | jpa- | i get: |
| 18:15.27 | jpa- | tools/bzwtransform/Makefile.am:1: invalid unused variable name: `bzwtransform_SOURCES' |
| 18:15.31 | jpa- | tools/modeltool/Makefile.am:3: invalid unused variable name: `modeltool_SOURCES' |
| 18:15.52 | learner | ahh, thx |
| 18:15.53 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/tools/TextTool-W32/res/Makefile.am: initial makefile to build texttool even if it is rather platform dependent at the moment |
| 18:15.55 | jpa- | (from autogen.sh) |
| 18:16.51 | jpa- | haha, learner makes bugs -> 12 minutes and i'm here complaining |
| 18:17.55 | jpa- | or hmm |
| 18:18.14 | jpa- | could it be that, sf cvs is late, isn't it? |
| 18:18.19 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am: revert back to AM_CPPFLAGS for the older automake for now |
| 18:18.31 | noyb | I heard 5 hours |
| 18:19.10 | jpa- | yup |
| 18:19.18 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.in: generate TextTool-W32 makefiles |
| 18:19.23 | sgk284 | anon access is 5 hours behind |
| 18:19.39 | noyb | sry that's what I meant |
| 18:19.53 | JeffM2501 | learner: k |
| 18:20.04 | jpa- | 5hours behind or updating every 5 hours? :) |
| 18:20.45 | JeffM2501 | 33.2 megs... wow |
| 18:20.46 | learner | updates every 5 hours.. so you can be 0->5 hours behind |
| 18:20.57 | learner | SDL is a beast to include |
| 18:21.17 | noyb | oh! that's much better than I thought. I'll cvs more often. :) |
| 18:21.22 | learner | compresses well though |
| 18:21.50 | TimRiker | tools/TextTool-W32/Makefile.am:18: `TextTool_HEADERS' is used but `TextTooldir' is undefined |
| 18:21.51 | TimRiker | tools/TextTool-W32/Makefile.am:9: unused variable: `TextTool_SOURCES' |
| 18:21.51 | TimRiker | tools/bzwtransform/Makefile.am:2: unused variable: `bzwtransform_SOURCES' |
| 18:21.51 | TimRiker | tools/modeltool/Makefile.am:4: unused variable: `modeltool_SOURCES' |
| 18:22.21 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/tools/ (3 files in 3 dirs): add the bin_PROGRAMS for them so something is actually built |
| 18:23.08 | learner | TimRiker, should be fixed now |
| 18:23.12 | TimRiker | ah, was out of date... |
| 18:23.19 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/tools/TextTool-W32/Makefile.am: make the headers effectively noinst headers |
| 18:23.24 | JeffM2501 | umm my / key dosn't seem to work |
| 18:24.46 | JeffM2501 | dosn't work in an app |
| 18:24.48 | JeffM2501 | just bounces |
| 18:25.04 | JeffM2501 | all other keys on the mac keyboard work |
| 18:25.17 | learner | JeffM2501, does it work when called directly? |
| 18:25.29 | JeffM2501 | I can't |
| 18:25.38 | JeffM2501 | cus I can't type a / |
| 18:26.27 | |zongo| | learner: could you find the issue? |
| 18:26.53 | JeffM2501 | can't open library libcrypto.0.9.7.dylib |
| 18:27.04 | JeffM2501 | this is from the bzflag exe in the root of your home dir |
| 18:27.44 | learner | |zongo|, the actual erorr is /bin/sh: line 1: @OBJCDEPMODE@: command not found |
| 18:30.52 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~neo@84.222.128.6) |
| 18:32.01 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Tupone] by learner |
| 18:32.21 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.in: try to accommodate more broken automake objc cruft |
| 18:32.40 | Tupone | DTRemenak, you're here? |
| 18:33.18 | learner | JeffM2501, hrmph, k |
| 18:37.02 | learner | hrm.. libcrypto is curl's doing |
| 18:38.44 | DTRemenak | Tupone: just woke up |
| 18:38.53 | Tupone | hehe |
| 18:38.57 | learner | DTRemenak: unpoke |
| 18:39.13 | DTRemenak | learner: pong, from earlier... |
| 18:39.44 | learner | er, yeah.. unping :) |
| 18:40.10 | Tupone | If you have tryed my build, I wonder what audio driver it display |
| 18:40.54 | Pimpinella | TimRiker said: " Groups that are shared are easier to admin than local groups. clans, leagues, etc will be global groups so global groups will be the common occurance." sure, i have no problem with that, it's just a matter of priority. My /etc/hosts is consulted before a nameserver is asked. That doesn't mean, that most requests are resolved by hosts, it's just, that i want to have my local stuff considered first |
| 18:41.22 | jpa- | i would like RESET -right |
| 18:41.31 | DTRemenak | Tupone: "dsound" |
| 18:41.49 | jpa- | so i could give right to return stuff normal, but not mess around with /set |
| 18:42.07 | Tupone | can you try "waveout", just to see |
| 18:42.37 | Tupone | probably dsound is the newest |
| 18:42.42 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: groups are central. permissions for those groups are local. its not the same as /etc/hosts |
| 18:42.43 | DTRemenak | Pimpinella: take it up with him, he's made it clear what he wants. I'd suggest e-mailing him (Tim@Rikers.org), he tends to listen to e-mails better than anything people say here |
| 18:42.59 | sgk284 | so according to my calculations, 2.0 will be released sometime between the next 3 hours to 160 days (honestly I did the math) |
| 18:43.01 | DTRemenak | ah, or maybe he's here anyway :) |
| 18:43.13 | Pimpinella | DTRemenak: :( |
| 18:43.32 | learner | groups are not just central though.. he's got a point |
| 18:44.36 | *** join/#bzflag Silver[a] (SilverFox@68-116-47-254.or.charter.com) |
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| 18:51.19 | Tupone | ~trepan++ |
| 18:51.33 | Tupone | for removing lag |
| 18:52.34 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: can I ask what the reason would be to create a local group? (note: I'm no referring to the existing groups, I'm thinking in the future) |
| 18:52.46 | TimRiker | s/ no / not / |
| 18:55.24 | noyb | what if one *never* goes online and plays only on a lan, but wants groups. would that still be possible? |
| 18:57.28 | *** part/#bzflag t-s (~ts@pD95639FA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:00.11 | TimRiker | noyb: certianly. and there would be no conflict. |
| 19:02.14 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas (~Legolas@69.106.188.199) |
| 19:02.17 | Legolas | hi guys |
| 19:03.03 | *** join/#bzflag Privia (~Privia@h000d93444438.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 19:03.25 | *** part/#bzflag Privia (~Privia@h000d93444438.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 19:05.11 | Silver[a] | Pimpinella, non-public server |
| 19:05.45 | Silver[a] | err. TimRiker, non-public server. |
| 19:09.16 | TimRiker | Silver[a]: and as I mentioned to noyb there would be no conflict even if you didn't use LOCAL. |
| 19:09.28 | *** join/#bzflag ajb (~ajb@jabber.org.uk) |
| 19:13.57 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): ~0 for paused |
| 19:14.10 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@DHCP-170-110.caltech.edu) |
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| 19:20.13 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: cool. |
| 19:21.00 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: now get out of your tank and climb up there. |
| 19:21.13 | JeffM2501 | that's a difrent game |
| 19:21.38 | TimRiker | =) |
| 19:21.41 | *** part/#bzflag Quol (~quolsimo@modemcable103.129-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 19:22.08 | JeffM2501 | bzflag needs self shadows |
| 19:25.08 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: might as well display it correctly |
| 19:26.03 | DTRemenak | learner: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2656 the first reply is a mac person. |
| 19:37.46 | Legoguy | JeffM2501: that model was made from a 3ds file? |
| 19:38.01 | Legoguy | i'm gonna have to get my rear into motion and start churning out maps :P |
| 19:38.23 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:38.25 | JeffM2501 | no it was not |
| 19:38.31 | Legoguy | obj? |
| 19:38.40 | Legoguy | hand? |
| 19:38.53 | Legoguy | by hand* |
| 19:39.10 | JeffM2501 | obj |
| 19:39.15 | JeffM2501 | out of milkshape |
| 19:39.19 | JeffM2501 | with normals |
| 19:39.41 | Legoguy | ... right, i didn't know there was a completed obj converter for bzflag? |
| 19:39.59 | JeffM2501 | there wasn't untill last night |
| 19:40.03 | Legoguy | :D |
| 19:40.06 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:40.22 | Legoguy | JeffM2501: is it in CVS or is it only on your machine |
| 19:40.36 | JeffM2501 | leaner applied the patch today |
| 19:40.46 | Legoguy | aha |
| 19:40.49 | Legoguy | cool |
| 19:42.02 | Legoguy | i love having a laptop that I can run windows on, and still run linux here |
| 19:42.39 | Legoguy | because one must admit, the apps for 3d modelling that work on linux are far from as advanced as those for windows |
| 19:43.02 | Legoguy | blender is nice... but just not my style |
| 19:51.35 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas (~Legolas@69.106.188.199) |
| 19:51.47 | Legolas | how do you auto identify? |
| 19:54.07 | Legolas | !weather 93637 |
| 19:54.08 | *** join/#bzflag CIA-4 (~CIA@to.je.spocco.com) |
| 19:54.13 | guu | Legolas: The current temperature in Madera, California is 41°F (10:53 AM PST on January 15, 2005). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 38°F. Wind: SSE at 5 mph (7 km/h). Pressure: 30.44 in (1031 hPa). Visibility: 2.5 miles (4.0 kilometers). UV: 1 out of 12 |
| 19:54.43 | Legolas | how do you auto identify? |
| 19:54.51 | Legolas | anyone here? |
| 19:55.41 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar (~wegstar@adsl-67-121-191-13.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 19:55.55 | Legolas | hey wegstar |
| 19:55.57 | Legolas | how do you auto identify? |
| 19:56.02 | wegstar | hey |
| 19:56.09 | wegstar | nwho me? |
| 19:56.31 | wegstar | in what? |
| 19:56.44 | *** join/#bzflag sgk284 (~sgk284@static-68-162-83-178.phil.east.verizon.net) |
| 19:57.09 | TimRiker | Legolas: you put in your username and password from the forums. |
| 19:57.33 | TimRiker | Legoguy: Nicks with @ in them are not supported. iirc you have 2 of the three nicks with @s in them. |
| 19:57.59 | TimRiker | just change your nick on the forums to not have a @ in it. |
| 19:58.05 | sgk284 | TimRiker, is bzbb [A-Za-z0-9] ? |
| 19:58.15 | Legolas | ok thanks |
| 19:58.53 | *** join/#bzflag noyb (~noyb@wbar2.lax1-4-8-213-215.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 19:59.49 | wegstar | hi noyb |
| 20:02.04 | noyb | JeffM2501: cool model. |
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| 20:04.44 | noyb | hi wegstar |
| 20:05.06 | *** part/#bzflag NickT2irc (~ntorys@CPE000102c6bd1e-CM400045980376.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 20:06.36 | Legoguy | can maps have custom textures, ie those not packaged with bzflag? |
| 20:06.54 | cods | no |
| 20:07.03 | Legoguy | poo |
| 20:07.12 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:07.16 | cods | ah? |
| 20:07.19 | cods | how ? |
| 20:07.20 | Legoguy | eh? |
| 20:07.27 | JeffM2501 | just refrence them in the material |
| 20:07.32 | JeffM2501 | and make sure they download them |
| 20:07.36 | Legoguy | right |
| 20:07.45 | cods | i think Legoguy mean that he want additional texture not present in data/.. |
| 20:07.53 | Legoguy | no |
| 20:07.59 | cods | ah ok |
| 20:08.01 | JeffM2501 | they have to be present, they do not have to come with it |
| 20:08.12 | cods | I misunderstood the question. |
| 20:08.18 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/tree/bzfi0001.png |
| 20:08.22 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@DHCP-170-110.caltech.edu) |
| 20:08.26 | JeffM2501 | those are not shiped with bzflag |
| 20:08.35 | cods | of course.. |
| 20:08.55 | Legoguy | well how about i ask this - does it have the ability to auto-download the textures from the server? (my guess is no) |
| 20:08.59 | cods | in my mind, it was to pack new texture with map.. |
| 20:09.17 | JeffM2501 | no it does not |
| 20:09.26 | Legoguy | right |
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| 20:15.08 | Legoguy | Say I wanted to make a volcano of sorts - would I be able to have animated textures of lava, say? |
| 20:17.09 | cods | yes, you can shift the texture over time |
| 20:17.15 | Legoguy | :D |
| 20:17.35 | cods | see 'shift' in material object |
| 20:18.02 | Legoguy | but I wouldn't be able to have different frames? |
| 20:18.06 | cods | s/material/texturematrix/ even |
| 20:18.43 | cods | no, you can't change textures dynamically (unless perhaps by stacking 2 textures, and playing with dynamic alpha, but I'm not sure) |
| 20:19.00 | Legoguy | that sounds like too much of an ugly hack to me :P |
| 20:19.07 | jpa- | ~bzquery warri1.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 20:19.12 | jpa- | hmm |
| 20:19.17 | jpa- | what was the command? |
| 20:19.20 | cods | bzfquery ? |
| 20:19.30 | jpa- | ~bzfquery warri1.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 20:19.35 | jpa- | hmph |
| 20:19.36 | Legoguy | haha |
| 20:19.38 | jpa- | old bot :S |
| 20:19.54 | *** part/#bzflag Quol_Simo (~quolsimo@modemcable103.129-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 20:20.47 | sgk284 | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us |
| 20:25.47 | jpa- | is the listserver broken for new cvs build? |
| 20:25.52 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@2002:45a5:3b8f:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 20:25.55 | jpa- | i just see two server |
| 20:26.55 | jpa- | eww |
| 20:26.55 | jpa- | imcompatible |
| 20:26.55 | jpa- | i hate u people! |
| 20:26.55 | JeffM2501 | what version are you using? |
| 20:26.55 | jpa- | new cvs, @20.00 etc |
| 20:27.06 | JeffM2501 | ok but what version is it? |
| 20:27.48 | jpa- | BZFlag server 1.11.39.20050115-DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL (protocol 0024) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 20:27.56 | jpa- | and client the same |
| 20:28.05 | JeffM2501 | the list server has no version |
| 20:28.09 | JeffM2501 | so if they are the same it will work |
| 20:28.10 | jpa- | yes |
| 20:28.15 | jpa- | i mean |
| 20:28.21 | jpa- | that the protocol has changed |
| 20:28.28 | JeffM2501 | dosnt' mater |
| 20:28.36 | cods | appear to have changed from 0023 to 0024 |
| 20:28.37 | JeffM2501 | as long as the client and server versions are the same |
| 20:29.02 | jpa- | eys |
| 20:29.04 | cods | I guess jpa- mean that list show less server because 0023 are no more visible.. |
| 20:29.10 | jpa- | yes |
| 20:29.19 | jpa- | so i thought it was broken etc |
| 20:29.34 | jpa- | but then i tried ip and realized that protocol had changed |
| 20:29.36 | JeffM2501 | when dealing with dev versions it shoudl be rather expected |
| 20:29.52 | jpa- | yes :) |
| 20:30.00 | jpa- | but i still hate u people! ,) |
| 20:31.44 | *** join/#bzflag joeshrimp (~445fb805@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:32.31 | *** join/#bzflag joeshrimp (~445fb805@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:32.40 | joeshrimp | hey |
| 20:32.43 | joeshrimp | I need some quick help here |
| 20:32.49 | jpa- | so ask |
| 20:32.59 | joeshrimp | how do you start bzfs.exe from a command line in SSH? |
| 20:33.11 | joeshrimp | while using the -conf conf.conf file tag? |
| 20:33.12 | jpa- | umm? |
| 20:33.17 | jpa- | .exe? |
| 20:33.24 | jpa- | linux or windows? |
| 20:33.27 | joeshrimp | linux |
| 20:33.27 | JeffM2501 | I think you mean how do you detach it so it dosn't close when you close the ssh? |
| 20:33.38 | jpa- | use screen |
| 20:33.41 | jpa- | it is good |
| 20:33.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah use screen |
| 20:33.46 | joeshrimp | no, I'm in JTA |
| 20:33.52 | jpa- | jta? |
| 20:34.14 | joeshrimp | I just need to know ify ou know the how to work ssh so you can run program bzfs.exe with the switch -conf |
| 20:34.26 | joeshrimp | (I feel I'm not clear; I'm a newb sry ;)) |
| 20:34.30 | JeffM2501 | well there is no bzfs.exe on linux |
| 20:34.31 | cods | why you keep saying '.exe' ? |
| 20:34.34 | cods | it's unix.. no .exe |
| 20:34.39 | joeshrimp | oh |
| 20:34.42 | JeffM2501 | bzfs -conf YOURFILE |
| 20:34.44 | JeffM2501 | thats' it |
| 20:34.49 | joeshrimp | ahhh |
| 20:34.55 | jpa- | haha :) |
| 20:34.57 | jpa- | (sorry :) |
| 20:34.58 | Legoguy | just thinking how cool it would be to be able to drive at angles, ie up ramps :P |
| 20:34.59 | JeffM2501 | just like man bzfs says |
| 20:35.12 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy: won't happen, been talked about ( A LOT ) |
| 20:35.15 | cods | Legoguy: yeah.. I want such feature in bzflag too :) |
| 20:35.23 | jpa- | Legoguy: you can :P |
| 20:35.23 | joeshrimp | I get "bzfs command not found" |
| 20:35.32 | JeffM2501 | then bzfs isn't in your path |
| 20:35.34 | jpa- | Legoguy: have physics linear 0 0 5 etc :) |
| 20:35.40 | jpa- | it is just a hack, though |
| 20:35.42 | JeffM2501 | where did you get your bzflag install? |
| 20:35.45 | joeshrimp | its in current directory |
| 20:35.55 | joeshrimp | well I'm running it on a remote computer with Unix |
| 20:35.55 | jpa- | so ./bzfs |
| 20:36.01 | joeshrimp | ok |
| 20:36.23 | JeffM2501 | it's still going to quit out of bzfs when you close the ssh terminal |
| 20:36.23 | cods | better found someone that know Unix.. You're problem is not really related to bzflag, but more about using Unix.. |
| 20:36.24 | joeshrimp | I think it's unix |
| 20:36.33 | JeffM2501 | you "think" ? |
| 20:36.35 | cods | s/You're/Your/ |
| 20:36.51 | joeshrimp | yeah I'm a unix newb :P |
| 20:36.58 | jpa- | haha :) |
| 20:37.01 | JeffM2501 | learn your OS before you try to run a server |
| 20:37.08 | joeshrimp | ok |
| 20:37.23 | jpa- | we are not a unix-support channel :) |
| 20:37.30 | Legoguy | ./bzfs -conf conf & disown bzfs |
| 20:37.35 | joeshrimp | I know, just thought I'd ask anyway :) |
| 20:37.40 | Legoguy | then you can exit ssh |
| 20:37.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah the & will detach it |
| 20:37.58 | JeffM2501 | harder to kill |
| 20:38.02 | JeffM2501 | better if you use screen |
| 20:38.53 | Legoguy | i don't think & detaches it - it just sends it to background, disown bzfs is what truly detaches it |
| 20:39.20 | Legoguy | it will still stop when you exit ssh if it's just & |
| 20:39.36 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:39.43 | bryjen | i usually just & mine. |
| 20:40.29 | cods | Personnaly, I run "while:; do bzfs ..; sleep 2; done" in a screen |
| 20:40.48 | jpa- | cods: but your server is different :P |
| 20:41.03 | bryjen | cods is loopy ;) |
| 20:41.07 | Legoguy | i made a whole gentoo init script with support for multiple servers with their own config and the ability to attach each one to a VT |
| 20:41.12 | jpa- | cods: you are just too weird to be happy with a standard server :) |
| 20:41.23 | cods | well, it's nothing special |
| 20:41.31 | JeffM2501 | what's the flag to make something drive thru and shoot thru? |
| 20:41.41 | cods | passable |
| 20:41.48 | jpa- | drivethrough |
| 20:41.49 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 20:41.58 | cods | no, drivethrough don't allow shots |
| 20:42.02 | jpa- | oh |
| 20:42.20 | JeffM2501 | there are 2 bits, one for tanks one for shots |
| 20:42.28 | JeffM2501 | just couldnt remember what the combo tag was |
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| 20:46.49 | *** part/#bzflag Thumper_ (~bernt@CPE000102c6bd1e-CM400045980376.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 20:46.52 | *** join/#bzflag Thumper_ (~bernt@CPE000102c6bd1e-CM400045980376.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 20:47.25 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka_ (~Doug@adsl-18-82-212.sdf.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:47.33 | joeshrimp | ok I can type ./bzfs.exe -conf conf.conf |
| 20:47.43 | cods | rah |
| 20:47.46 | cods | not '.exe' |
| 20:48.18 | JeffM2501 | you sure your not on windows? |
| 20:48.18 | cods | I hope your executable is not named .exe. That would be stupid. |
| 20:48.24 | joeshrimp | ok |
| 20:48.28 | JeffM2501 | no it would just mean its' the wrong one |
| 20:48.32 | jpa- | dos makes people .exe |
| 20:48.35 | JeffM2501 | where did you get your bzflag install? |
| 20:48.41 | joeshrimp | I'm on windows trying to DOS my way into running an exe on linux |
| 20:48.42 | JeffM2501 | did you copy it from your windows system? |
| 20:48.45 | joeshrimp | yup |
| 20:48.50 | JeffM2501 | oh that won't work |
| 20:48.52 | jpa- | oh yes, maybe he is running windows build on unix :D |
| 20:48.59 | JeffM2501 | linux does NOT run windows stuff |
| 20:49.00 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114 (~shorty114@shorty114.user) |
| 20:49.02 | joeshrimp | lol |
| 20:49.02 | joeshrimp | ok |
| 20:49.03 | JeffM2501 | you need to get a linux build |
| 20:49.05 | cods | well, front page extension under Unix end with '.exe'.. (not surprising from microsoft) |
| 20:49.06 | joeshrimp | ok |
| 20:49.23 | joeshrimp | lol man I'm stupid :) okay, getting it from bzflag.org |
| 20:49.24 | joeshrimp | thanks |
| 20:49.24 | JeffM2501 | realy just stop poking it with a stick and go learn how to use your OS |
| 20:49.38 | JeffM2501 | or you just going to dig a biger hole |
| 20:50.18 | JeffM2501 | sigh... |
| 20:50.29 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker.... you around. |
| 20:50.39 | *** join/#bzflag Ping (~432971fd@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:50.53 | Ping | !weather 80012 |
| 20:50.55 | guu | Ping: The current temperature in Aurora, Colorado is 36°F (12:55 PM MST on January 15, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 27°F. Wind: NNW at 5 mph (7 km/h). Pressure: 30.35 in (1028 hPa). Visibility: 25.0 miles (40.2 kilometers). UV: 3 out of 12 |
| 20:50.59 | jpa- | JeffM2501: are you sure we are not supposed to help him configure wine for bzfs.exe? :) |
| 20:51.12 | JeffM2501 | don't even go there |
| 20:51.29 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, you around? |
| 20:51.39 | *** join/#bzflag jomojo (~jomojo@c-24-17-68-130.client.comcast.net) |
| 20:52.15 | joeshrimp | finally, which file do I download from BZFlag sourceforge? |
| 20:52.29 | JeffM2501 | what linux distroubtion are you on? |
| 20:53.05 | jpa- | uname -a |
| 20:53.08 | jpa- | tells it |
| 20:53.11 | jpa- | usually |
| 20:53.20 | joeshrimp | Red Hat Linux 1.3.33 (Unix) I thnk |
| 20:53.22 | Ping | I have a bzflag server (bzflag.kovclan.org) on the same LAN as an associated website. Is there an easy way I could query the bzflag server using .php from the machine hosting the website, for information such as who is playing etc.? I'm doing it now by way of someone else's list server but would like to do the query directly if possible. |
| 20:53.26 | joeshrimp | ok I'll use uname -a |
| 20:53.46 | sgk284 | is it jsut me or is sf.net super slow today? |
| 20:53.57 | JeffM2501 | Ping: there are some php pages and scripts that do that in the misc dir of the source install |
| 20:54.08 | Ping | excellent. thanks. |
| 20:54.19 | Ping | I'll take a looksie |
| 20:54.21 | JeffM2501 | also look at the web project on SF, as there is code there that can do it too |
| 20:54.51 | joeshrimp | i686 i686 i386 |
| 20:55.00 | Ping | Finally completely sick of PHP-Nuke and I'm scrapping it. Figured I'd insert some bzflag stuff into the page while I'm redoing. |
| 20:55.23 | Ping | SF? |
| 20:55.27 | shorty114 | SourceForge |
| 20:55.31 | Ping | ah ok |
| 20:55.35 | joeshrimp | so finally I would need bzflag rh 8 i386 rpm gcc3 ? |
| 20:55.45 | shorty114 | if you're using redhat 8 |
| 20:56.00 | shorty114 | RH 8 stands for RedHat 8 |
| 20:56.03 | joeshrimp | ok thanks for the help |
| 20:56.12 | shorty114 | easiest way would be to build from source. |
| 20:56.23 | shorty114 | for me, at least |
| 20:56.39 | JeffM2501 | I think that's a bit above his head |
| 20:56.47 | joeshrimp | as of now yes |
| 20:56.48 | joeshrimp | ;) |
| 20:56.56 | jpa- | and source-building on redhat..eww |
| 20:57.05 | Ping | heh |
| 20:57.09 | bryjen | the easiest way is to learn the package manager of your distro and use it. |
| 20:57.10 | jpa- | atleast on debian, you can do build-deps bzflag :) |
| 20:57.12 | *** join/#bzflag test (~c392faab@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:57.19 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: yes? |
| 20:58.01 | Ping | anyone running it on linux fedora? |
| 20:58.07 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow: I need you to do me |
| 20:58.11 | JeffM2501 | on sf |
| 20:58.22 | JeffM2501 | learner busted my abilitys to make patches |
| 20:58.32 | joeshrimp | anybody have a pre-extracted copy of bzfs I can download to save time? |
| 20:58.43 | shorty114 | whoa more ops |
| 20:58.44 | purple_cow | huh |
| 20:58.48 | JeffM2501 | joeshrimp: linux is not like windows, you have to use the one for your OS |
| 20:58.50 | cods | joeshrimp: that will not work |
| 20:58.50 | Ping | just nixed it today :( |
| 20:58.54 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow: add me to the project |
| 20:58.58 | JeffM2501 | this one |
| 20:59.11 | joeshrimp | gotcha |
| 20:59.13 | shorty114 | joeshrimp: what linux distribution? |
| 20:59.24 | joeshrimp | I'm on Redhat 8 |
| 20:59.24 | JeffM2501 | joeshrimp: if your too lasy to learn your OS, then running a server is probalby not for you. |
| 20:59.26 | Ping | Are you talking about the current distributed version of bzflag? |
| 20:59.31 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@2002:45a5:3b8f:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 20:59.34 | shorty114 | joeshrimp: ok |
| 20:59.57 | joeshrimp | (it's my first day with Linux...so I'm learning by "jumping in") |
| 21:00.13 | Ping | don't hurt yourself. just download the ready to run install |
| 21:00.21 | Ping | jump in later ;) |
| 21:00.23 | joeshrimp | ok |
| 21:00.30 | JeffM2501 | then I woudl sugest going to a linux channel |
| 21:00.44 | JeffM2501 | we are not here to do OS support and basic ussage |
| 21:00.49 | Ping | Especially if you are on redhat. |
| 21:01.04 | Ping | you can have the server up and running in minutes |
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| 21:01.44 | shorty114 | joeshrimp: if you're using RH, you should upgrade to FC |
| 21:01.56 | joeshrimp | ok |
| 21:02.07 | shorty114 | (FC = Fedora Core) |
| 21:02.08 | Ping | found the stuff at SourceForge. thanks for the tip. |
| 21:02.11 | Ping | *ping runs off to tinker |
| 21:02.14 | shorty114 | at least that's what the #redhat chan says |
| 21:02.23 | joeshrimp | thanks again |
| 21:02.33 | Ping | i'm running a server on Fedora. |
| 21:03.14 | bryjen | he 'thought" it was Unix? Linux? WTF? |
| 21:03.27 | shorty114 | huh? |
| 21:03.33 | bryjen | exactly |
| 21:04.09 | JeffM2501 | he is nowhere ready to run a server |
| 21:04.14 | shorty114 | no kidding. |
| 21:04.15 | JeffM2501 | so it's best just to tell him not to |
| 21:04.21 | JeffM2501 | so don't tell him to upgrade stuff |
| 21:04.29 | JeffM2501 | unless your willing to walk him thru it |
| 21:04.43 | shorty114 | i'll walk him through joining #redhat or #fedora |
| 21:04.45 | bryjen | didn't he say Red Hat 1.something? perhaps FC1 then? |
| 21:04.51 | shorty114 | RH8 |
| 21:05.06 | shorty114 | <joeshrimp> I'm on Redhat 8 |
| 21:05.09 | JeffM2501 | cus he has NO clue what he's doing |
| 21:05.17 | JeffM2501 | shorty114: you didn't read all of his past stuff |
| 21:05.29 | shorty114 | he sounded pretty lost... |
| 21:05.37 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow: anyone can |
| 21:05.44 | shorty114 | purple_cow: i belive JeffM means applying? |
| 21:05.45 | JeffM2501 | but learner changed the thing I was patching |
| 21:05.50 | JeffM2501 | and I'm 5 horus behind |
| 21:05.53 | shorty114 | oh nm |
| 21:06.02 | JeffM2501 | unless your just trying to save me from repeating myself |
| 21:06.04 | JeffM2501 | if so |
| 21:06.08 | JeffM2501 | I salute YOU! |
| 21:06.17 | shorty114 | ^.^ |
| 21:06.24 | shorty114 | normally it's the other way around :) |
| 21:06.30 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 21:06.42 | *** join/#bzflag purple_cow (~jupiter@navi.cs.colorado.edu) |
| 21:06.43 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ |
| 21:06.45 | bryjen | eep |
| 21:08.37 | bryjen | you'd think after dealing with all the people "quitting" and wanting their accounts deleted from bzbb, JeffM2501 would know better... |
| 21:08.40 | bryjen | ;) |
| 21:08.50 | JeffM2501 | I didn't delete my bzbb account |
| 21:09.06 | JeffM2501 | and I didn't write a 4 page letter about how I can't EVER use the computer anymore |
| 21:09.14 | orchid | heh |
| 21:09.20 | shorty114 | wow people are still doing that? |
| 21:09.21 | JeffM2501 | I just stoped deving for tim |
| 21:09.23 | bryjen | nor you SF account. but you did have Riker remove you from BZFlag |
| 21:09.30 | orchid | you did, your dad wouldnt let you post it :P |
| 21:09.32 | JeffM2501 | I removed myself |
| 21:10.19 | bryjen | don't do it _for_ Tim. |
| 21:10.38 | JeffM2501 | I'm not, I'm doing it for learner, and DTR and the other cool guys |
| 21:11.00 | bryjen | 'zactly |
| 21:11.19 | JeffM2501 | and I'm just too lazy to keep up this patch stream :) |
| 21:12.01 | bryjen | shoulda seen that coming too ;) |
| 21:14.04 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker: do me. |
| 21:14.29 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 21:16.59 | *** join/#bzflag Aribeth (~Aribeth@dsl081-067-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 21:18.14 | trepan_away | learner: think you could have simply deleted 'bzwtransform' |
| 21:19.40 | shorty114 | whoa 356 posts on my forums by me ^.^ |
| 21:21.04 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker: basicly I have to make changes to the modeltool and I've become too lasy for the 5 hour wait, so could you go ahead and fix that for me :) |
| 21:22.12 | trepan | hmmm, i'm always "*paused*" now |
| 21:22.32 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: welcome back. |
| 21:22.55 | trepan | "*paused* Dead", "*paused* Ready", and various other flavors of "*paused*" |
| 21:23.28 | TimRiker | trepan: ugh. that was me. should be adding *paused* only when timeLeft = ~0u |
| 21:23.40 | TimRiker | well == |
| 21:25.47 | TimRiker | trepan: should likely init to 0 instead of ~0u =/ |
| 21:26.14 | bryjen | another thing that happens with that status line: if you've got the TRigger happy flag, its constantly firing shots, so the reload timer covers up the bad flag time remaining |
| 21:27.09 | bryjen | maybe that's just another aspect of badness of the flag :) |
| 21:27.43 | bryjen | oh. maybe so, DTR. I haven't looked for it recently |
| 21:28.07 | DTRemenak | yeah, LocalPlayer:805: else if ((getReloadTime() > 0.0f) && (getFlag() != Flags::TriggerHappy)) \ firingStatus = Loading; |
| 21:28.18 | DTRemenak | you'll never show the reload timer with TR |
| 21:28.26 | bryjen | ah, cool |
| 21:28.36 | bryjen | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 21:31.18 | DTRemenak | trepan: a number of people are reporting crashes when trying to connect to your meshified test servers |
| 21:31.43 | DTRemenak | if you don't know the cause already, could you move one of them to .39 so I can test against it? |
| 21:32.50 | shorty114 | ~karma patlabor221 |
| 21:32.50 | ibot | patlabor221 has karma of 241 |
| 21:32.58 | shorty114 | ~karma jeffm2501 |
| 21:32.58 | ibot | jeffm2501 has karma of 1 |
| 21:33.06 | JeffM2501 | I suck |
| 21:33.21 | shorty114 | 241 + 1 = 242...pretty good :) |
| 21:33.23 | |zongo| | ~karma |zongo| |
| 21:33.23 | ibot | |zongo| has neutral karma |
| 21:33.25 | DTRemenak | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 21:33.27 | shorty114 | ~karma shorty114 |
| 21:33.27 | ibot | shorty114 has karma of -479 |
| 21:33.29 | DTRemenak | patlabor221-- |
| 21:33.31 | DTRemenak | ~patlabor221-- |
| 21:33.39 | DTRemenak | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 21:33.41 | DTRemenak | ~patlabor221-- |
| 21:33.47 | shorty114 | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 21:33.49 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: remove label till we finish it |
| 21:33.52 | JeffM2501 | a transfer? |
| 21:33.54 | orchid | host not found on the zip file JeffM2501 |
| 21:33.56 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 21:34.05 | shorty114 | digitial.com |
| 21:34.17 | shorty114 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/bzflag/textures.zip |
| 21:34.17 | DTRemenak | you deserve it more than he does :) |
| 21:34.32 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/bzflag/textures.zip |
| 21:34.40 | JeffM2501 | extract it so it ends up as /data/textures |
| 21:35.17 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-057-023-230.arcor-ip.net) |
| 21:35.43 | JeffM2501 | yay shots don't bounce off the billboard lights anymore :) |
| 21:35.54 | shorty114 | heh |
| 21:35.55 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:36.40 | DTRemenak | your upload speed is pretty bad |
| 21:36.43 | orchid | DTRemenak: good idea |
| 21:36.45 | trepan | DTRemenak: ya, they're supposed to crash :) |
| 21:36.47 | JeffM2501 | wait till I'm done |
| 21:36.52 | DTRemenak | trepan: ok, cool |
| 21:37.04 | orchid | JeffM2501: how big is that file, 10mb? |
| 21:37.07 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: k |
| 21:37.10 | bryjen | yes |
| 21:37.15 | JeffM2501 | something liek that |
| 21:37.26 | JeffM2501 | trepan: is there like a "double sided" material option? |
| 21:37.32 | JeffM2501 | or do I just need to define 2x faces? |
| 21:37.35 | bryjen | getting 17k/s here |
| 21:37.37 | trepan | just put up a non-crash .39 server |
| 21:37.55 | trepan | JeffM2501: added "noculling", "nosorting", and "alphathresh" last night |
| 21:38.01 | trepan | makes flare easier |
| 21:38.19 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:38.21 | trepan | just add them to your tree's Material01 |
| 21:38.25 | DTRemenak | trepan: mostly I was just trying to figure out if it was your fault or the client's :) |
| 21:38.29 | JeffM2501 | I'll have to add ways to set them fom the mat name |
| 21:38.34 | trepan | the server I just put up has them applied |
| 21:38.34 | JeffM2501 | it's nto material01 anymore |
| 21:38.38 | shorty114 | is gftp good? |
| 21:39.00 | orchid | its good at connectiong to ftp servers |
| 21:39.09 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:39.12 | orchid | not so good as a movie player |
| 21:39.13 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/TODO: checktokens |
| 21:39.13 | JeffM2501 | trepan: but does it have a "got root" billboard? |
| 21:39.14 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/bzflag/billboard/bzfi0000.png |
| 21:39.33 | orchid | shorty114: yeah its easy to use |
| 21:40.05 | shorty114 | orchid: k |
| 21:40.25 | orchid | JeffM2501: stop posting links to the same sever I'm trying to download stuff from :) |
| 21:40.35 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:40.38 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 21:40.55 | JeffM2501 | on the next one I'll upload it to myth and it'll be faster |
| 21:41.19 | bryjen | bzflag's png screenshots have no compression, correct? |
| 21:41.29 | DTRemenak | bryjen: no, they're compressed |
| 21:41.38 | bryjen | hmm |
| 21:41.40 | DTRemenak | level 6 compression, no prefiltering |
| 21:42.05 | DTRemenak | tried sub filters and they got bigger |
| 21:42.14 | trepan | JeffM2501: nope, that didn't exactly fit with the forest motif :) |
| 21:42.22 | DTRemenak | never bothered implementing any of the better filtering algorithims |
| 21:42.28 | JeffM2501 | just a 19 |
| 21:42.44 | JeffM2501 | I've got some more trees too |
| 21:43.00 | JeffM2501 | and a rock |
| 21:43.04 | JeffM2501 | and some flair |
| 21:43.22 | DTRemenak | bryjen: uncompressed, that particular screenshots are is just under 6 mb |
| 21:43.33 | trepan | that's what meshes are good for... bring on the models :) |
| 21:43.50 | JeffM2501 | trepan: actualy I'm using milkshape as a full world editor now |
| 21:43.52 | DTRemenak | instead of 1.3 or whatever |
| 21:44.04 | bryjen | s/shots are is/shot is/ |
| 21:44.12 | JeffM2501 | set options in the object and material names |
| 21:44.15 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:44.19 | DTRemenak | didn't even notice |
| 21:44.24 | trepan | JeffM2501: yup, still hard to export to boxes though, heh? |
| 21:44.32 | JeffM2501 | screw boxes |
| 21:44.40 | TimRiker | and bases! |
| 21:44.50 | JeffM2501 | no, I can parse out a base |
| 21:44.52 | JeffM2501 | from the name |
| 21:44.57 | JeffM2501 | and build it from the bbox of the mesh |
| 21:45.02 | purple_cow | hey look, a gnome foot |
| 21:45.06 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 21:45.12 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: any particular reason to have std_ground and wall.png in your texture pack? |
| 21:45.14 | JeffM2501 | the other billboard is better |
| 21:45.22 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak: lazyness |
| 21:45.27 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:45.32 | JeffM2501 | I actualy have objects in the OBJ that use them |
| 21:45.44 | JeffM2501 | but they are set to be auto skiped by the parser |
| 21:46.12 | JeffM2501 | basicly I made a ground box in the modeler |
| 21:46.17 | trepan | we'll soon have a direct blender exporter too |
| 21:46.25 | JeffM2501 | set it's name to start with 00_ and it's auto skiped |
| 21:46.34 | JeffM2501 | who's doing that? |
| 21:46.39 | trepan | y.t. |
| 21:46.43 | JeffM2501 | dun |
| 21:46.45 | JeffM2501 | fun |
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| 21:47.05 | joeshrimp | hehhe |
| 21:47.32 | joeshrimp | anybody know a walkthrough tutorial for how to compile bzfs from source? |
| 21:48.03 | amathis | what OS? |
| 21:48.12 | joeshrimp | Redhat 8 |
| 21:48.12 | amathis | ok |
| 21:48.16 | trepan | JeffM2501: ain't that fond of python yet... i miss the braces |
| 21:48.18 | amathis | get spirce |
| 21:48.21 | amathis | *source |
| 21:48.21 | joeshrimp | ok |
| 21:48.24 | amathis | then do.. |
| 21:48.25 | jpa- | ./autogen.sh ; ./configure ; make ; su -c "make install" :) |
| 21:48.33 | joeshrimp | ok |
| 21:49.02 | JeffM2501 | there is also that thing called a "readme" |
| 21:49.21 | joeshrimp | yeah |
| 21:49.40 | DTRemenak | bryjen: JeffM2501 told me not to until he was done |
| 21:49.43 | DTRemenak | so I didn't |
| 21:49.48 | DTRemenak | want it anyway? |
| 21:49.59 | JeffM2501 | ohh gohead |
| 21:51.23 | bryjen | hmm, this thing doesn't dcc |
| 21:51.27 | cods | jpa-: su -c ? bah, a newbie only use 'root' account, no ? :) |
| 21:51.48 | DTRemenak | http://131.215.170.125/textures.zip |
| 21:51.59 | jpa- | cods: su does not matter then :) |
| 21:52.05 | JeffM2501 | trepan you need a "no shadow" as well |
| 21:52.14 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.22 | trepan | or per-object? |
| 21:52.22 | JeffM2501 | no per object |
| 21:52.26 | JeffM2501 | per material |
| 21:52.33 | trepan | it needs all kinds of things, Jeff |
| 21:52.43 | amathis | :P |
| 21:52.43 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:52.47 | DTRemenak | now that's quotable |
| 21:52.50 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:53.05 | JeffM2501 | the ground REALY needs to set the z buffer in experimental too |
| 21:53.10 | bryjen | wee, 170k/s |
| 21:53.39 | trepan | you've got poorly defined meshes (w.r.t. 0.0) ? |
| 21:54.11 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:54.53 | trepan | it was either 1 of 2 things, you want to limit experimental to Z buffer only (and there's no really good reason for that) |
| 21:55.12 | trepan | or you meant that the ground should fill it's depth buffer values |
| 21:55.40 | trepan | which would most likely mean that you've got meshes crossing 0.0 |
| 21:55.50 | JeffM2501 | many are |
| 21:55.58 | trepan | fix the meshes then |
| 21:56.01 | TimRiker | int NetHandler::sizeOfIP() { |
| 21:56.02 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.13 | JeffM2501 | not allways viable when you want to "bury" things |
| 21:56.18 | TimRiker | that does not look right to me. what makes up the 8 bytes? |
| 21:56.18 | JeffM2501 | yet use them elsewhere too |
| 21:56.40 | JeffM2501 | I want the ground to fill it's detph buffer in exp when depth is ON |
| 21:56.45 | bryjen | cannot load texture oakstmm.png |
| 21:56.53 | trepan | JeffM2501: that's just wasting CPU/GPU |
| 21:56.58 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl be in /data/textures/ |
| 21:57.15 | TimRiker | 4bytes of IP, 1 byte of type (4) 3 bytes of nothing? |
| 21:57.30 | JeffM2501 | trepan: posibly, but it makes a lot of stuff easyer from a maping standpoint |
| 21:57.32 | trepan | if it can be precalced to remove/clip those faces, then it should be |
| 21:57.38 | JeffM2501 | it means I don't have to make special rocks that are "FLAT" |
| 21:57.43 | trepan | back to the laziness angle, heh? |
| 21:57.44 | JeffM2501 | that would work too |
| 21:57.49 | JeffM2501 | most mapers are lazy |
| 21:57.54 | JeffM2501 | thats why they make tools |
| 21:58.00 | JeffM2501 | mr scripting language |
| 21:58.12 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: 131.215.170.125 -> 83D7AA7D |
| 21:58.22 | DTRemenak | an IP4 address takes 8 bytes |
| 21:58.32 | bryjen | ah oakstamm.png. i copied the error wrong. but that file is there |
| 21:58.41 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 21:58.41 | TimRiker | not if you memcopy the network format. then it takes 4 bytes. |
| 21:58.43 | JeffM2501 | try a copy in data |
| 21:58.48 | JeffM2501 | maybe the map is wacky |
| 21:58.50 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: ah, ok |
| 21:58.51 | trepan | JeffM2501: then use 'em :) milkshape have any tools for that kinda thing? |
| 21:58.56 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:59.13 | trepan | you could also write the geometry clipper yourself |
| 21:59.22 | JeffM2501 | lazy remember :) |
| 21:59.25 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: and if we presume it means ascii, how do they get to 20 on IPv6? |
| 21:59.30 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: set a breakpoint and see what's in it :) |
| 22:00.16 | DTRemenak | mm, good question |
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| 22:01.02 | TimRiker | code next does... Address::pack() as: buf = (unsigned char*)nboPackUByte(_buf, 4); ::memcpy(buf, &hostaddr, sizeof(int32_t)); buf += sizeof(int32_t); |
| 22:01.08 | bryjen | ok. copied to data and that one goes away. now its oakblaetter.png. error message, missing on screen, but file is in data/texture/ |
| 22:01.25 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: port number? |
| 22:01.44 | purple_cow | DTRemenak: uhh, 83d7aa7d looks like 4 bytes to me ;) |
| 22:01.47 | DTRemenak | that's 4 bytes, right? |
| 22:01.58 | DTRemenak | purple_cow: depends whether you're binary or ascii :) |
| 22:02.08 | purple_cow | heh |
| 22:02.34 | DTRemenak | er, that's 2 bytes |
| 22:02.40 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: looks to not include the port. |
| 22:02.43 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 22:02.54 | DTRemenak | wow, I'm so inept at counting today :) |
| 22:04.22 | JeffM2501 | noradar would be cool too |
| 22:05.32 | bryjen | dtr: the port would be 4 bytes in an ascii string of hex digits |
| 22:05.41 | DTRemenak | bryjen: yeah |
| 22:05.56 | DTRemenak | but he had already told me that it was network format |
| 22:05.57 | Thumper_ | 1.11.39 protocol number is not compatible with 1.11.37 - should I upgrade my test server to 1.11.39 or leave it? |
| 22:06.18 | DTRemenak | Thumper_: upgrade it. I'll be posting a .39 build in less than an hour probably. |
| 22:06.37 | Thumper_ | there is already debs for .39 on the beta page. thx |
| 22:06.43 | Thumper_ | s/is/are/ |
| 22:07.18 | Chestal | urgs, switching of depth buffer while on that rocks+trees map was a baaaaad idea |
| 22:08.09 | shorty114 | ~help karma |
| 22:09.03 | shorty114 | ~karma TimRiker |
| 22:09.03 | ibot | timriker has karma of -666 |
| 22:09.07 | shorty114 | ^.^ |
| 22:09.25 | Chestal | *yikes* |
| 22:09.47 | Thumper_ | after cvs up; make distclean; sh autogen.sh; ./configure I get the following error: |
| 22:09.47 | Thumper_ | config.status: error: cannot find input file: BZFlag.xcode/Makefile.in |
| 22:10.09 | DTRemenak | Thumper_: cvs update -d |
| 22:10.13 | Thumper_ | thx |
| 22:10.17 | DTRemenak | BZFlag.xcode is a new directory |
| 22:10.25 | cods | Is there somewhere a good explanation about diffuse/ambient/emission/specular/shininess stuff ? I'm lost. I see how ambient and diffuse work, but I'm not sure for the rest. |
| 22:10.28 | trepan | Chestal: hehe, BSP nightmare |
| 22:11.43 | purple_cow | cods: any basic computer graphics book will explain it |
| 22:12.34 | purple_cow | it's a simple model of how light interacts with objects |
| 22:12.42 | jpa- | why do french people always think everyone speaks french? |
| 22:12.55 | cods | I don't. |
| 22:13.25 | jpa- | i can't possibly think why sbgobin sent me mail in french |
| 22:13.36 | cods | hehe :) |
| 22:13.39 | jpa- | he always speaks english in bzflag |
| 22:14.09 | cods | He's speaking english with me, while we're both french.. |
| 22:14.15 | jpa- | now i should understand what he is talking about, probably compiled new cvs version and protocol is imcompatible |
| 22:14.17 | Chestal | trepan: I had to reboot :-| |
| 22:14.36 | trepan | that's pretty bad =) |
| 22:14.44 | shorty114 | heh |
| 22:14.45 | trepan | ctrl-alt-f1 didn't help ? |
| 22:14.55 | Thumper_ | ok after cvs up -d ; sh autogen.sh fails... |
| 22:14.55 | Thumper_ | tools/bzwtransform/Makefile.am:1: invalid unused variable name: `bzwtransform_SOURCES' |
| 22:14.55 | Thumper_ | tools/modeltool/Makefile.am:3: invalid unused variable name: `modeltool_SOURCES' |
| 22:14.57 | cods | purple_cow: yeah, unfortunately I don't have such book. So far, I don't found a good URL about that. But I keep searching. |
| 22:15.01 | Chestal | first I pressed f12, waited for it to finish |
| 22:15.11 | Chestal | but after 2 minutes, I lost pateience, switched to text console |
| 22:15.11 | jpa- | Thumper_: edit the files and remove references |
| 22:15.18 | Chestal | but then obviously the computer froze |
| 22:15.21 | DTRemenak | Thumper_: wait a while then. anoncvs has to sync again, that was broken for a little bit. |
| 22:15.24 | jpa- | Thumper_: learner fixes that in the dev already, i think |
| 22:15.27 | Chestal | I lost my config file, grmpf |
| 22:15.29 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 22:15.37 | Thumper_ | editing... (can't wait ;) |
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| 22:15.45 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 22:15.58 | Chestal | the conversion of 1.10->2.0 config isn't so great, some functins are unbound, like bincoluars |
| 22:16.04 | Chestal | startign with fresh config now |
| 22:16.38 | trepan | Chestal: there should be a disclaimer in the forest, "may cause loss of configuration" |
| 22:16.58 | trepan | we'll tack it on to one of the larger trees ;) |
| 22:17.32 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/include/NetHandler.h: ws |
| 22:18.03 | DTRemenak | Chestal: it shouldn't lose anything for which the command hasn't changed. if the command has changed and it's not converted, then it's because noone told me it had changed when I asked what had changed :) |
| 22:20.25 | DTRemenak | ~ws |
| 22:20.26 | ibot | somebody said ws was short for workstation. White Space, or the country code for Western Samoa |
| 22:21.22 | Chestal | DTRemenak: maybe my 1.7 is strange, haven't checked |
| 22:21.28 | jpa- | everyone else has some nice text that i can understand :) |
| 22:21.28 | DTRemenak | he likes consistent whitespace :) |
| 22:21.37 | jpa- | oh |
| 22:21.38 | jpa- | :D |
| 22:21.38 | DTRemenak | Chestal: 1.7? |
| 22:21.42 | Chestal | DTRemenak: eh, 1.10 |
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| 22:21.54 | DTRemenak | I was gonna say, I haven't tested import from 1.7! |
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| 22:25.14 | Chestal | I activated the mesage tabs, the colorign confuses me, though |
| 22:25.53 | Chestal | a tab seems to be colored red if new messages arrive, but only when the "all" tab is active? |
| 22:26.40 | Chestal | hmm, the new local group system is somewhat ugly |
| 22:27.05 | trepan | Chestal: Pimp was complaining about local groups too |
| 22:27.35 | trepan | i don't see why it can't be global groups, to maintain backwards compatibility at a minimum |
| 22:28.07 | JeffM2501 | ahh I see why the textures didn't work |
| 22:28.16 | JeffM2501 | I think paths are OS specific |
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| 22:28.18 | JeffM2501 | to TM |
| 22:28.40 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: say what? shouldn't be... |
| 22:28.42 | trepan | \ vs. / probs? |
| 22:29.02 | JeffM2501 | map has \ and works for me |
| 22:29.07 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 22:29.11 | JeffM2501 | dosnt' work for them |
| 22:29.14 | DTRemenak | \ is no good for other platforms |
| 22:29.16 | JeffM2501 | seeing if windows works with / |
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| 22:29.26 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.51 | trepan | even all the diff windows flavors? |
| 22:30.08 | DTRemenak | trepan: yup, I checked yesterday. 98 at least accepts / |
| 22:30.09 | JeffM2501 | it "should" run thru OS file |
| 22:30.16 | JeffM2501 | and OS file does the correct thing |
| 22:30.41 | trepan | thought TM already uses OSFile |
| 22:31.40 | JeffM2501 | it should |
| 22:31.45 | JeffM2501 | TM will take all in / |
| 22:31.52 | JeffM2501 | it dosnt' know to convert \ to / tho |
| 22:31.59 | JeffM2501 | it'll convert / to \ if it has to |
| 22:32.18 | trepan | ah, one way street |
| 22:32.53 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah this way / works foe everyone |
| 22:33.47 | cods | / is a good choice :) |
| 22:34.03 | noyb | with billboards... I'm seeing possibilities like selling actual billboard space to companies like Coke, IBM, AMD, ATI, nVidia... |
| 22:34.58 | trepan | don't think either ATI or nVidia would really want the space as it is right now ;) |
| 22:35.22 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 22:35.28 | orchid | google ad space :) |
| 22:35.30 | noyb | no, but the possibilities are there. nice looking gnome billboard. neat stuff. |
| 22:35.37 | trepan | that's something for OC to aspire to |
| 22:36.18 | noyb | or maybe companies would just host their own servers right next to their web servers... save the ad costs.. :( |
| 22:37.04 | noyb | I can see it now... Coke-World. IBM-World. whatever. |
| 22:37.46 | DTRemenak | too bad there's no auto texture download :) |
| 22:38.02 | noyb | pretty soon, bzflag worlds and tanks would look like a stock car race. |
| 22:38.03 | trepan | wouldn't be too hard... |
| 22:38.10 | trepan | but safe? |
| 22:38.37 | DTRemenak | might be hard to make safe |
| 22:39.16 | trepan | or, in the spirit of "screw boxes"; "screw safe"? |
| 22:39.30 | Thumper_ | The Lag bad flag is gone in 1.11.39? |
| 22:39.34 | DTRemenak | We could probably design it to be relatively safe |
| 22:39.36 | DTRemenak | Thumper_: yes |
| 22:39.41 | Thumper_ | thx |
| 22:41.21 | DTRemenak | could even design it to only pull off of my.b.o or something |
| 22:45.18 | shorty114 | ^.^ |
| 22:53.38 | Chestal | DTRemenak: would be better to fix the pause thign first IMHO |
| 22:53.48 | DTRemenak | Chestal: have you updated recently? |
| 22:54.03 | DTRemenak | TimRiker backed out the change that was causing it |
| 22:54.14 | Chestal | oh, must have missed the commit message |
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| 22:58.44 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: .39 |
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| 23:00.53 | JeffM2501 | ok, this should be faster |
| 23:00.54 | JeffM2501 | http://www.opencombat.net/~jeffm/textures.zip |
| 23:01.06 | JeffM2501 | and they just go in the data dir |
| 23:01.10 | JeffM2501 | there are "issues" with sub dirs |
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| 23:06.03 | shorty114 | where is opencombat.net hosted? |
| 23:06.40 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/src/game/NetHandler.cxx: ip len wrong, net protocol changed, but nothing uses this byte anyway |
| 23:06.44 | JeffM2501 | elsewhere |
| 23:07.33 | `ls` | Chestal, DTRemenak: we likely want to make some magic timeout defines like ~0 and ~0-1 etc. |
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| 23:11.59 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/data/fonts/ (10 files): accept sf patch 1102805 from legoguy -- add the ProFont font to BZFlag in sizes 6, 8, 12, and 16. |
| 23:12.23 | DTRemenak | w00t |
| 23:12.25 | learner | DTRemenak, backed out change? |
| 23:12.35 | learner | would this be the byte length? |
| 23:12.36 | DTRemenak | learner: what? |
| 23:12.41 | learner | i forgot to bump protocol for it |
| 23:12.54 | DTRemenak | learner: the *paused* problem |
| 23:12.58 | learner | so that would have been rather problematic |
| 23:13.03 | learner | yeah.. that's the one |
| 23:13.24 | DTRemenak | learner: talk to TimRiker, all I know is that it was busted |
| 23:14.10 | learner | TimRiker, protocol wasn't bumped for the paused problem -- that would have caused a lot of problems. needs a bump. |
| 23:15.32 | shorty114 | *bump* |
| 23:16.50 | learner | sry, DTRemenak |
| 23:17.04 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/date/buildDate.cxx: the msgtimeupdate patch was protocol breaking... |
| 23:17.51 | DTRemenak | learner: all the servers are already running the newer code anyway |
| 23:19.14 | Pimpinella | learner: i told you it broke the protocol ;) |
| 23:19.42 | learner | i know.. i made a note to bump protocol.. but then got distracted *blush* |
| 23:20.07 | Pimpinella | no chance to get it in before release? |
| 23:20.34 | learner | it's in |
| 23:20.42 | learner | (right, dtr?) |
| 23:20.46 | Pimpinella | oh, great then |
| 23:21.12 | Pimpinella | would be odd to wait for the next major release |
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| 23:22.00 | learner | hrm.. 4th most active commiter today on cia.. i bet i can catch up to that qboosh fella |
| 23:22.05 | sgk284 | highly offtopic: anyone here use enlightenment? |
| 23:22.40 | Pimpinella | and it's not liely, that it will harm in any way |
| 23:22.47 | Pimpinella | likely |
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| 23:26.09 | TimRiker | learner: I figured that we'd just done a protocol bump anyway. |
| 23:26.23 | TimRiker | ah well, now we all build packages again. |
| 23:26.24 | learner | k, i'll drop it back then |
| 23:26.35 | TimRiker | never mind. leave it. |
| 23:26.44 | TimRiker | for all we now someone is building now. |
| 23:27.05 | learner | heh |
| 23:27.16 | learner | 9 minutes :) |
| 23:27.29 | TimRiker | the issue is that timeLeft gets initted to ~0u and *pause* wants to display when it is ~0u |
| 23:27.54 | TimRiker | don't know if we should init it to 0 instead? or if then everyone will think we are outta time. |
| 23:28.27 | TimRiker | probably want some time "states" for notRunning and Paused as ~0 and ~0-1 |
| 23:28.27 | learner | it was 0 before the patch when there was no zero |
| 23:28.41 | learner | so none should be assuming 0 means that yet |
| 23:29.03 | purple_cow | learner: really think you can pull off 19 commits in 30 minutes? |
| 23:29.03 | TimRiker | well I changed the init to 0 but it didn't seem to fix the issue. something else set it to ~0 |
| 23:29.22 | learner | purple_cow, oh heck yes |
| 23:30.00 | learner | TimRiker, you don't think that issue was unpacking an int when server only sent a byte? |
| 23:30.13 | learner | or did you restart your server? |
| 23:30.50 | TimRiker | learner: didn't look into it too much. just turned off the *paused* message for the moment. |
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| 23:36.24 | shorty114 | hi ep |
| 23:39.18 | ep | hi |
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| 23:45.54 | DTRemenak | mass changes? |
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| 23:46.15 | mmu_man | do *not* break the beos build or be slapped |
| 23:46.15 | wegstar | that doesn't sound good... |
| 23:46.16 | mmu_man | :p |
| 23:46.30 | mmu_man | zz |
| 23:46.47 | learner | nah, it was benign |
| 23:46.56 | CIA-4 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/MacPlatformFactory.cxx: header clean up |
| 23:47.20 | learner | a migration of common out of headers to the compilation units |
| 23:47.52 | learner | but halfway through seeing some of the files.. it started feeling wrong |
| 23:49.27 | learner | source files _and_ headers are supposed to include what they need .. |
| 23:49.57 | learner | if the file uses system headers, it implies in needs common.h -- unless it has an interface header that already included it |
| 23:50.55 | learner | sure you can force it to all source or header, but then that breaks the "file includes what it uses" for headers.. as it does to force it only to headers too |
| 23:51.27 | learner | .. word filter! |
| 23:51.44 | DTRemenak | learner: when is a good time to release? |
| 23:51.53 | learner | last sunday |
| 23:51.59 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 23:52.00 | wegstar | heh |
| 23:52.07 | Crko | lol |
| 23:52.09 | DTRemenak | ok, how about as soon as someone fixes the *paused* thing? |
| 23:52.28 | DTRemenak | anything else keeping us from it? |
| 23:52.53 | learner | paused is fixed/quelled according to rikerage |
| 23:52.53 | DTRemenak | the sooner we release the less unhappy I'll be |
| 23:53.16 | DTRemenak | but sure, whatever |
| 23:53.24 | Chestal | there have been quite some changes durign the last few days |
| 23:53.31 | learner | i'm thinking we may just need to release multiple mac binaries .. going to try "one more build" for jeff |
| 23:53.34 | Chestal | it feels wrong to release right away after that |
| 23:53.34 | DTRemenak | yeah, and there shouldn't have been |
| 23:53.52 | DTRemenak | every time we get anywhere near a stable, tested source base, people go and change a ton of stuff |
| 23:54.03 | DTRemenak | and every time, it makes me more unhappy |
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| 23:54.11 | TimRiker | learner: not what I said. I welcome someone working on it more. I'm just not planning to quite yet. |
| 23:55.14 | learner | TimRiker: no? "just turned off the *paused* message for the moment." perhaps you meant just locally.. |
| 23:55.14 | DTRemenak | Chestal: and now learner's "looking for something to work on" which means that if we don't release soon, he's gonna change a bunch more stuff, and we're gonna have to wait longer, ad infinitum. |
| 23:55.24 | learner | hehe, no no :) |
| 23:55.37 | learner | i meant cleanupish things |
| 23:55.44 | DTRemenak | learner: anything that's changed is something that hasn't been tested |
| 23:56.30 | DTRemenak | my point is, if we're waiting for more testing, and we change more stuff, we're never going to get it tested. may as well release now. |
| 23:56.57 | learner | only thing I'm waiting on is this compile ;) |
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| 23:59.05 | learner | i'll do this last test build for 10.2, and if it succeeds or fails, I'll be ready to post it up |
| 23:59.13 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:59.19 | learner | s/if/regardless of if/ |
