| 00:00.18 | creeperz | i had a 1.10 server running and he connected and we played for like 3 hours straight with him running under 150 ms all the time |
| 00:00.30 | creeperz | but with my 2.0 server running, he pushed 2000 |
| 00:00.35 | JeffM2501 | in 2.0 does his fps drop? |
| 00:00.46 | JeffM2501 | on the same map? |
| 00:01.04 | bryjen | yikes |
| 00:02.39 | Grumbler | whoohoo my first mesh to bzw conversion......not bad actually |
| 00:03.20 | creeperz | JeffM2501: not really |
| 00:03.30 | creeperz | it stays at about 35 fps all around |
| 00:03.33 | creeperz | any map for him |
| 00:04.24 | creeperz | :-) |
| 00:04.40 | Grumbler | heh, made a few mistakes though |
| 00:04.46 | Grumbler | no color, all white |
| 00:04.58 | Grumbler | size is slightly off |
| 00:05.23 | Grumbler | and probably should have just made one individual grass and trees instead of a forest |
| 00:05.25 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6631 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (Box.py Object.py): more implementation of base-class stubs |
| 00:05.59 | Grumbler | ....and probably should have added the drive-through stuff |
| 00:06.07 | Grumbler | ..and....and...... :) |
| 00:21.36 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6632 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Box.py: copy over some more code |
| 00:23.05 | sussudio | what does it mean when someone has a '-' in front of their name in 2.0? |
| 00:23.57 | blast007 | their name is registered, but they didn't log in |
| 00:24.50 | sussudio | mkay |
| 00:29.51 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6633 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/World.py: add a world object |
| 00:30.05 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6634 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/World.py: typo |
| 00:31.49 | brlcad | JeffM2501: nope |
| 00:33.07 | Grumbler | well, too much success for one night |
| 00:33.14 | Grumbler | :) |
| 00:35.24 | Legoguy | % bzflag |
| 00:35.24 | Legoguy | WARNING: player already exists at location with id 17 |
| 00:35.24 | Legoguy | zsh: 3917 segmentation fault bzflag |
| 00:35.36 | Legoguy | everyone in the server crashed |
| 00:35.39 | Legoguy | i did twice |
| 00:36.42 | Legoguy | and the server is fine |
| 00:36.46 | Legoguy | no crashing there |
| 00:36.49 | Legoguy | just clients |
| 00:36.50 | Legoguy | :-/ |
| 00:38.04 | Legoguy | sussudio: no, a GeForce FX 5900 128MB |
| 00:38.16 | Legoguy | sussudio: + a 3.2 GHz P4 with HT |
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| 00:51.28 | amathis | eh? |
| 00:51.39 | JeffM2501 | just stuff we are talking about here |
| 00:51.49 | JeffM2501 | making a table that can simulate trerain for miniatures |
| 00:51.57 | Legoguy | hmmmmm |
| 00:52.00 | Legoguy | use send only when connected |
| 00:52.00 | Legoguy | zsh: 3996 segmentation fault bzflag |
| 00:52.30 | Legoguy | everyone died again |
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| 01:05.00 | brlcad | JeffM2501: heh |
| 01:06.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah I asked him to do it |
| 01:07.19 | JeffM2501 | the KFJ can not rest |
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| 01:22.19 | Noodle-sensei | kentucky fried jerboa |
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| 01:23.01 | brlcad | kentucky fried jar jar? |
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| 01:37.58 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6635 10bzedit/scripts/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add a logger, start reworking the importer to use the new objects |
| 01:43.54 | PrezKennedy | kentucky fried jerky! |
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| 01:53.42 | SirLance-A-Lot | Anyone know how to make a realtime lobby for a website? |
| 01:53.54 | SirLance-A-Lot | that shows whos there |
| 01:55.29 | JeffM2501 | http://www.hotscripts.com/ |
| 01:55.41 | JeffM2501 | has many website script thingys |
| 01:55.46 | SirLance-A-Lot | ok i'll chek |
| 01:55.48 | JeffM2501 | chat boxes and the like |
| 01:55.52 | SirLance-A-Lot | ja |
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| 02:03.28 | mikep | hi |
| 02:03.35 | mikep | this is Roadkill |
| 02:03.38 | orchid | hello |
| 02:04.02 | mikep | I'm using 2.0 on a gentoo linux box and I can't move with keyboard or mouse |
| 02:04.17 | mikep | I can shoot, jump, respawn, chat |
| 02:04.22 | mikep | but can't move |
| 02:04.26 | orchid | did you look at the keymap? |
| 02:04.31 | mikep | yes |
| 02:04.42 | mikep | I even reset to default |
| 02:04.48 | orchid | hmm |
| 02:05.11 | mikep | any ideas? |
| 02:05.30 | orchid | try moving ~/bzfs/2.0 out of the way maybe |
| 02:05.37 | mikep | odd thing is that i was playing yesterday with the same set up |
| 02:05.39 | orchid | let it create a new one |
| 02:05.44 | orchid | oh |
| 02:05.47 | mikep | i moved the whole .bzf directory |
| 02:05.52 | mikep | same problem |
| 02:06.07 | mikep | I rebuilt bzflag also |
| 02:06.32 | mikep | i'm getting the shakes :) |
| 02:06.39 | orchid | heh |
| 02:06.45 | orchid | you build with SDL? |
| 02:07.43 | mikep | not sure what you mean |
| 02:08.00 | mikep | i get a sound repeated over and over really fast |
| 02:08.12 | mikep | i can move with the kb in observer mode |
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| 02:09.26 | wegstar | who's watching the state of union address of our dear president? :) |
| 02:09.31 | MeBigFatGuy | what does your input menu say? |
| 02:10.06 | orchid | wegstar: there's paint drying on the other channel, I have that on instead |
| 02:10.22 | mikep | mouse, none, yes, yes |
| 02:10.33 | mikep | it was auto, none, yes, yes |
| 02:10.52 | wegstar | umm... right... orcid |
| 02:10.55 | mikep | when it starts it's saying it's using dsp for audio |
| 02:10.57 | wegstar | orchid, sorry |
| 02:11.13 | wegstar | crummy introduction :) |
| 02:11.23 | MeBigFatGuy | what if it says keyboard? |
| 02:11.23 | orchid | wegstar: I'm joking :) |
| 02:11.24 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 02:11.30 | mikep | is there a way to get bzflag to not grab the mouse when started with -window |
| 02:11.45 | orchid | wegstar: I wouldnt watch paint dry |
| 02:11.51 | mikep | same problem |
| 02:12.02 | wegstar | hehe |
| 02:12.18 | wegstar | tsk.. how true |
| 02:12.43 | mikep | should it be using dsp as the audio driver |
| 02:13.00 | wegstar | I should channel my thoughts somewhere else... :) |
| 02:14.15 | wegstar | n/join #politics |
| 02:14.18 | wegstar | oops |
| 02:20.28 | mikep | what was the comment about SDL for orchid, what is SDL's purpose |
| 02:21.26 | mikep | rebuilding again without SDL |
| 02:23.47 | bryjen | ~SDL |
| 02:23.48 | ibot | sdl is, like, Look at http://www.libsdl.org |
| 02:25.04 | bryjen | libsdl is a programming toolkit. makes doing multiple-operating-system easier |
| 02:25.11 | mikep | anybody aware of any problem with running version 2.0 with version 1.2.6 of SDL |
| 02:26.59 | bryjen | hmm, i've got 1.2.7 |
| 02:27.10 | mikep | I'm going to upgrade to 1.2.8 |
| 02:27.33 | wegstar | phht... |
| 02:28.58 | Legoguy | So. who would like to see Overlord CTF on top of Caverns? :P |
| 02:29.24 | Legoguy | Or kroboto's idea, Spirals on top of Caverns |
| 02:33.10 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: ? |
| 02:33.54 | wegstar | human embryos! |
| 02:34.03 | creeperz | ewww |
| 02:34.17 | creeperz | theyre still runny! |
| 02:34.19 | wegstar | ooops |
| 02:34.26 | wegstar | darn window keeps popping up :( |
| 02:34.27 | creeperz | ...like really young chickens! |
| 02:34.44 | creeperz | :-) |
| 02:37.29 | JeffM2501 | umm I'll be the first to say "WTF?" |
| 02:37.36 | wegstar | WTF |
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| 02:43.42 | wegstar | "allies of freedom" :) |
| 02:45.35 | mikep | ok, built without sdl and i seem to have movement via mouse |
| 02:47.43 | mikep | trying to rebuild with 1.2.8 |
| 02:47.48 | mikep | sdl 1.2.8 |
| 02:49.05 | bryjen | JeffM2501: but not the last |
| 02:49.07 | bryjen | WTF? |
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| 02:49.59 | mikep | looks like we have some interesting conversations on this channel... |
| 02:50.52 | wegstar | wtf is the blue finger..? |
| 02:51.22 | brlcad | it's what happens when you try to fix a leaking toilet |
| 02:51.45 | sussudio | or pleasure a smurf. |
| 02:53.29 | wegstar | HEH.. |
| 02:56.09 | Roadkill | aren't the bzflag IRC and forums passwords shared? |
| 02:56.24 | sussudio | ofcourse not |
| 02:56.34 | brlcad | Roadkill: why do you ask?? |
| 02:56.34 | wegstar | no! |
| 02:56.42 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6636 10bzedit/scripts/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fix up a lot of little syntax errors and other trivial boo-boos. it imports boxes now! |
| 02:56.53 | Roadkill | My callsign is already registered on IRC |
| 02:56.58 | wegstar | ah.. |
| 02:57.41 | Roadkill | I'm not a big irc user so maybe i registered it but have forgotten the password |
| 02:57.54 | wegstar | ah |
| 02:57.57 | brlcad | they are separate systems |
| 02:58.21 | Roadkill | ok |
| 02:58.44 | brlcad | Roadkill: are you linuxlvr? |
| 02:58.48 | Roadkill | How would I find out if the Nick Roadkill is mine or someone else's |
| 02:58.51 | purple_cow | brlcad: i'll have a bzflag-capable machine at siggraph this year ;-) |
| 02:58.58 | Roadkill | no mikep |
| 02:58.58 | JeffM2501 | you just picked a name somone else has :) |
| 02:59.03 | orchid | Roadkill: there might be another roadkill on irc |
| 02:59.11 | JeffM2501 | the users for IRC are for more then bzflag |
| 02:59.27 | wegstar | right... :) |
| 02:59.31 | brlcad | purple_cow: w00t! :) |
| 02:59.55 | Roadkill | I understand that, I know Roadkill isn't unique just wondering |
| 03:00.12 | JeffM2501 | the user reg here is for the entire network |
| 03:00.20 | Roadkill | How would I find out who owns Roadkill |
| 03:00.29 | JeffM2501 | do a /whois roadkill |
| 03:00.44 | brlcad | hasn't been around in 4 months |
| 03:00.50 | wegstar | hmm |
| 03:01.05 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.35 | purple_cow | and it won't be a piece of apple garbage! :) |
| 03:01.40 | Roadkill | got it, thanks |
| 03:01.58 | JeffM2501 | will it be intel garbage? |
| 03:02.28 | brlcad | ahh, so you are getting a powerbook this time :) |
| 03:02.37 | wegstar | "imperial communism".. Muhahahha |
| 03:02.45 | JeffM2501 | brlcad: no a mini |
| 03:03.28 | brlcad | hehe |
| 03:03.34 | JeffM2501 | brlcad: you find the source yet? :) |
| 03:03.48 | brlcad | with a flat panel strapped to his back |
| 03:04.00 | brlcad | no e-mailies yet |
| 03:04.34 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 03:04.34 | bryjen | that'd make it hard for _him_ to play bzflag. |
| 03:04.34 | bryjen | tie it to scanline |
| 03:04.34 | blast007 | autopilot ;) |
| 03:04.36 | JeffM2501 | no scanline, has to run the generator |
| 03:04.42 | JeffM2501 | with his peddal power |
| 03:04.45 | *** part/#bzflag Roadkill (~mikep@adsl-68-73-119-243.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 03:05.34 | brlcad | he would do something like that |
| 03:05.44 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 03:05.55 | purple_cow | he had his laptop plugged into a model airplane battery the other day |
| 03:06.01 | scanline | :) |
| 03:06.07 | JeffM2501 | so the 10 inch flat pannel from a Ps1 will be stuck on his hat |
| 03:06.20 | bryjen | "I need more MIPS, pedal faster!" |
| 03:06.21 | bryjen | ;) |
| 03:07.06 | scanline | no, you pedal faster when the power inverter makes squealing noises and flashes red |
| 03:07.26 | purple_cow | i still like the idea of a flywheel powering navi |
| 03:07.27 | brlcad | we were going to strap an O2 to |
| 03:07.27 | scanline | ooh.. we could make a bicycle powered hair dryer |
| 03:07.34 | wegstar | heh |
| 03:07.40 | brlcad | to Justin a couple years ago |
| 03:07.47 | scanline | purple_cow: yep |
| 03:07.55 | purple_cow | brlcad: hah |
| 03:07.56 | brlcad | UPS on back, O2 on front |
| 03:08.06 | scanline | one o' these days we should test whether you really can't fry an egg with a bicycle powered hair dryer |
| 03:08.10 | brlcad | then tip em over :) |
| 03:08.25 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:08.26 | purple_cow | it's just a shame that o2s are so slow |
| 03:15.24 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6637 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (Pyramid.py Reader.py Types.py): add a pyramid object and import them too |
| 03:17.24 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 03:17.25 | Legoguy | ~bzquery turbogfx.homelinux.org:5159 |
| 03:17.34 | wegstar | later |
| 03:17.53 | blast007 | ~bzfquery turbogfx.homelinux.org:5159 |
| 03:39.34 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6638 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Types.py: add stubs for all those unimplemented types |
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| 03:42.22 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6639 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (Reader.py Types.py): more enumeration |
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| 04:05.13 | Legoguy | heh, ok people, my experimental Caverns is now combined with CTF Quadlord on turbogfx.homelinux.org:5159 |
| 04:05.51 | Legoguy | have yet to make the top of the box grass |
| 04:21.46 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6640 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: clear out the list of objects when we're starting to parse a file |
| 04:25.23 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6641 10bzedit/scripts/test_parse.py: this doesn't work anymore, and doesn't need to |
| 04:28.56 | Aribeth | ~seen trepan |
| 04:28.57 | ibot | trepan is currently on #bzflag (22h 56m 5s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 6h 47m 37s |
| 04:30.35 | *** join/#bzflag SC (~SportChic@ca-redbch-cuda1-c5b-b-192.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 04:31.48 | retro | ~seen Nidhoggr |
| 04:31.50 | ibot | nidhoggr is currently on #brlcad (8d 18h 37m 26s) #bzflag (8d 18h 37m 26s). Has said a total of 900 messages. Is idling for 8h 54m 3s |
| 04:33.20 | purple_cow | huh |
| 04:33.31 | purple_cow | what are these 'noculling' and 'nosorting' options that weren't in the man page? :P |
| 04:34.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bzgirl * 10bzflag/ (ChangeLog src/bzfs/commands.cxx): Server now announces who issued the countdown command |
| 04:34.49 | brlcad | hehe |
| 04:36.45 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6642 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: add in some undocumented things so we don't upchuck when we see them |
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| 04:39.25 | trepan | purple_cow: noculling: don't do face orientation culling (only useful for mesh clusters) |
| 04:39.56 | trepan | purple_cow: nosorting: do not sort the object, even if translucent, draw as an opaque object |
| 04:40.12 | trepan | alphathesh: setup an alpha threshold (opengl style) |
| 04:40.40 | trepan | they were added at the last minute to allow for faster flare objects (like the branches in JeffM's tree) |
| 04:42.05 | trepan | or bzw.5 |
| 04:42.06 | bryjen | or .5 |
| 04:42.16 | bryjen | but its not me |
| 04:42.21 | trepan | nor i |
| 04:42.47 | purple_cow | alphathresh would have a single float argument? |
| 04:42.56 | trepan | yyup |
| 04:44.04 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6643 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Reader.py: another undocumented parameter |
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| 04:47.33 | brlcad | heh, hi sussudio |
| 04:47.50 | brlcad | er, talk about last second miss |
| 04:47.59 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 04:53.51 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6644 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (Mesh.py Types.py): start adding a mesh type. so far this just reads in vertices |
| 04:58.40 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 04:58.52 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6645 10bzedit/ (oak2.bzw scripts/BZFlag/Mesh.py): set scale properly assuming a 400x400 world. damn that's sexy! |
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| 05:14.16 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6646 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (Mesh.py Reader.py): slightly less broken |
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| 05:29.29 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 05:29.42 | purple_cow | these trees are *mostly* importing |
| 05:30.17 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6647 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Mesh.py: import faces. not sure if this is completely working right yet |
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| 05:36.19 | purple_cow | vertices in faces are just array indices, right? |
| 05:37.16 | cods | yes |
| 05:37.21 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 05:49.53 | brlcad | nice |
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| 06:08.50 | Pimpi | Legoguy: that dungeon map is nice |
| 06:13.11 | jpa_ | morning |
| 06:15.24 | *** part/#bzflag Tegan (~lyra@dsl081-067-057.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 06:15.33 | Pimpi | morning jpa_ |
| 06:15.41 | jpa_ | hello Pimpi |
| 06:16.10 | jpa_ | ~pimpi++ |
| 06:16.29 | Pimpi | ty, but for what? |
| 06:16.30 | purple_cow | hrmy hrm hrm |
| 06:16.49 | purple_cow | this has got to be an off-by-one somewhere, but i don't have any simple enough models to debug |
| 06:16.52 | jpa_ | Pimpi: for being present and saying "morning jpa_" :) |
| 06:16.57 | purple_cow | quick, someone give me something basic! |
| 06:17.18 | Pimpi | basic for what? |
| 06:17.24 | purple_cow | mesh |
| 06:17.25 | jpa_ | purple_cow: have you already used examples in http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/ |
| 06:17.29 | jpa_ | oh |
| 06:17.30 | jpa_ | mesh |
| 06:17.31 | jpa_ | :S |
| 06:17.41 | jpa_ | i can email you trepans lousy rocks |
| 06:17.44 | jpa_ | they are not simple |
| 06:17.49 | jpa_ | and not basic |
| 06:17.51 | jpa_ | :) |
| 06:17.58 | purple_cow | i have complicated models already |
| 06:18.03 | jpa_ | oh |
| 06:18.06 | purple_cow | i need something simple and i'm too lazy to make my own |
| 06:18.18 | jpa_ | simple.. hmm |
| 06:18.19 | Pimpi | purple_cow: i have a simple cone and a simple box for u |
| 06:18.30 | jpa_ | there are escalator meshes in river map |
| 06:18.34 | jpa_ | they are quite simple |
| 06:18.52 | jpa_ | just a: |
| 06:19.02 | jpa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.07 | jpa_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:21.08 | trepan | purple_cow: '/set saveAsMeshes 1' will cause the client to save primitives (arc/cone/etc) as meshes |
| 06:22.09 | jpa_ | wow |
| 06:22.11 | jpa_ | cool :) |
| 06:22.12 | Pimpi | purple_cow: http://balhttp://balin.pimpi.org/p_c.bzwin.pimpi.org/p_c.bzw |
| 06:22.13 | trepan | there's also 'saveFlatFile' to save "unfolded" groups |
| 06:22.41 | Pimpi | i made these before i found meshbow and meshpyr |
| 06:23.31 | purple_cow | oof |
| 06:23.35 | trepan | purple_cow: if you have a --enable-debug client, you can also use /localset to adjust those parameters in-game |
| 06:23.36 | Pimpi | oops... |
| 06:23.41 | purple_cow | so if i just do the simple elevator mesh, it works :P |
| 06:23.41 | jpa_ | ewww |
| 06:23.59 | Pimpi | http://balin.pimpi.org/p_c.bzw |
| 06:24.02 | Pimpi | thats it |
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| 06:26.07 | HeadCrash | I'm having strange problems with my client tonight |
| 06:26.25 | HeadCrash | I'm running the latest 2.0 under Debian Linux Stable (built from source) |
| 06:26.34 | trepan | Pimpi: those are actually more efficient then the meshbox/meshpyr |
| 06:26.38 | HeadCrash | Things were working fine last time I played |
| 06:26.43 | jpa_ | HeadCrash: stable? woody? |
| 06:26.45 | trepan | just harder to control the texture maping |
| 06:26.53 | jpa_ | HeadCrash: hmm.. what kind of problems |
| 06:27.00 | Pimpi | trepan: why? |
| 06:27.14 | HeadCrash | My tank is frozen in place |
| 06:27.25 | jpa_ | HeadCrash: i have had strange problems with debian woody and bzflag server.. (newest stable) |
| 06:27.26 | Pimpi | why more efficient? |
| 06:27.41 | HeadCrash | I can sometimes jump (if not on the "ground plane") and shoot, but the tank won't go forward, back or turn. |
| 06:27.44 | trepan | meshpyr/box are hacks that use cones/arcs, they have more faces then are needed |
| 06:27.56 | jpa_ | HeadCrash: keyboard or mouse? |
| 06:28.03 | HeadCrash | I've tried both |
| 06:28.03 | Pimpi | ic |
| 06:28.12 | jpa_ | hm |
| 06:28.22 | jpa_ | try removing config |
| 06:28.35 | HeadCrash | I did that. Same problem |
| 06:29.06 | HeadCrash | (I removed the .bzf directory to see if it would make a difference -- it didn't) |
| 06:29.12 | jpa_ | hmh |
| 06:29.14 | jpa_ | strange |
| 06:29.29 | jpa_ | i assume bzflag -d does not give any more info |
| 06:29.30 | HeadCrash | I was on bzflag.secretplace.us |
| 06:29.34 | trepan | Pimpi: face count comparison: pyr 5 vs 8, box 6 vs 12 |
| 06:29.40 | HeadCrash | Apparently others have had the same problem tonight |
| 06:29.51 | jpa_ | HeadCrash: so other servers work? |
| 06:29.52 | HeadCrash | Haven't tried -d |
| 06:30.04 | trepan | the top (bottom) have 4 faces instead of 1 |
| 06:30.16 | HeadCrash | Other servers give the same problem -- I just didn't stick around to ask if others had been having problems. |
| 06:30.25 | cods | trepan: oh, interesting.. |
| 06:30.39 | HeadCrash | I actually talked to the folks on secretplace (them being my freinds and all...) |
| 06:31.07 | HeadCrash | In particular, EvilBob mentioned "ice" -- this problem with tanks being frozen |
| 06:31.09 | jpa_ | hello cods |
| 06:31.12 | cods | hi |
| 06:31.20 | purple_cow | time to go buy some groceries |
| 06:32.00 | HeadCrash | I gather secretplace server admins are aware of this issue, but nobody had anything useful to suggest. |
| 06:32.10 | brlcad | purple_cow: oreo cookies |
| 06:32.32 | brlcad | and some vodka |
| 06:32.36 | HeadCrash | I even went as far as rebuilding my client from source -- it didn't help. |
| 06:32.39 | brlcad | and milk |
| 06:33.36 | brlcad | HeadCrash: if you can't move.. sounds like input bindings |
| 06:33.46 | brlcad | when you built from source, did you build against SDL? |
| 06:34.05 | HeadCrash | I know, but I checked those and they were fine. Resetting to default values didn't change it. |
| 06:34.30 | HeadCrash | I'm not sure -- I didn't check. However, I used the same .config that worked before. |
| 06:34.47 | HeadCrash | Again, it was a problem that suddenly cropped up -- I hadn't rebuilt the client |
| 06:35.03 | HeadCrash | I only rebuilt because I tried everything else |
| 06:35.18 | purple_cow | brlcad: i've got tastier liquor already |
| 06:36.22 | HeadCrash | Has anyone else reported anything like this problem? |
| 06:36.23 | brlcad | HeadCrash: hrm, i'm not sure you're conveying anything debuggable yet |
| 06:36.33 | brlcad | what version worked for you last? |
| 06:36.42 | brlcad | purple_cow: godiva ? |
| 06:36.45 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Exactly the same version that I am using now |
| 06:36.48 | jpa_ | brlcad: 2.0.0 has worked, problem appeared suddenly |
| 06:36.56 | HeadCrash | brlcad: bzflag-2.0.0.20050117 |
| 06:37.01 | trepan | HeadCrash: is it map specific ? |
| 06:37.19 | HeadCrash | brlcad: This version worked fine. Then suddenly it didn't. It is not map or server specific. |
| 06:37.45 | brlcad | and you did try rm -rf ~/.bzf |
| 06:37.50 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.54 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Yes. No changes. |
| 06:38.05 | brlcad | with bz not running, I hope |
| 06:38.07 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Or rather -- everything reset to defaults, but it didn't fix the problem. |
| 06:38.18 | HeadCrash | brlcad: No, not with bz running. |
| 06:39.04 | HeadCrash | brlcad: some background here: I'm an MIT Ph.D, with over 15 years of *NIX experience and lots of hacking cred. |
| 06:39.07 | brlcad | does driving by keys work? |
| 06:39.16 | HeadCrash | brlcad: No, keybindings don't work |
| 06:39.30 | brlcad | none of them? |
| 06:39.35 | brlcad | can you traverse menus? |
| 06:39.36 | HeadCrash | brlcad: I tried all of the obvious ways to work around the problem in order to characterize it. |
| 06:40.17 | HeadCrash | brlcad: You missed my first statements: Other function keys work. Even the mouse _buttons_ work for shooting and jumping. But nothing will cause the tank to move (other than jump) |
| 06:42.07 | HeadCrash | brlcad: I blieve that shooting and jumping are UDP based, yes? But steering and such is TCP? |
| 06:42.56 | HeadCrash | brlcad: It occured to me that there could be some network strangeness at work here, though i'm not doing anything with trafic shaping or otherwise mucking with my network |
| 06:43.16 | brlcad | mm. that is possible |
| 06:43.28 | HeadCrash | brlcad: And EvilBob (and others) at secretplace reported that other users were having problems |
| 06:44.11 | brlcad | secret's reverse mapping changed a while back, but you say it's the same on all servers? |
| 06:44.35 | HeadCrash | It is the same on all the servers that I tried -- hepcat for sure, and I think I tried at lest one other. |
| 06:44.51 | HeadCrash | brlcad: I should mention that as "observer" everything seems fine |
| 06:45.04 | HeadCrash | brlcad: and I can chat with other users |
| 06:45.13 | brlcad | try using mouse and keyboard at the same time |
| 06:45.20 | HeadCrash | brlcad: the server tells me that I'm logged in. |
| 06:45.32 | HeadCrash | brlcad: ... how do you mean, mouse and keyboard at the same time? |
| 06:45.33 | brlcad | see if it at least says "mouse movement" "keyboard movement" |
| 06:45.41 | jpa_ | hmm..didn't we have one "freezes when i spawn" report about 15 hours ago? |
| 06:45.47 | jpa_ | was it solved? |
| 06:46.01 | brlcad | that should at least tell whether the client is processing the input events or whether they were culled somehow |
| 06:46.15 | HeadCrash | Ok. I'll try that. Hold on. |
| 06:47.45 | jpa_ | so, when shall we have tv commercials? :) |
| 06:48.58 | HeadCrash | Yes, I'm getting "mouse movement" and "keyboard movement" messages |
| 06:49.06 | brlcad | ahh, that's good |
| 06:49.36 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 06:49.37 | brlcad | so the bindings are good, and the events are generated |
| 06:49.43 | brlcad | does it say "Sealed" in red ? |
| 06:49.49 | jpa_ | would server have some debug output. |
| 06:49.52 | jpa_ | .. |
| 06:50.00 | HeadCrash | No, I'm not "Sealed" |
| 06:50.25 | HeadCrash | I should mention one other strange phenominon -- this will be confirmed by EvilBob and others on secretplace |
| 06:50.54 | jpa_ | connect to warri1.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 06:50.56 | brlcad | HeadCrash: try joining antescher |
| 06:51.02 | jpa_ | i'm logging -dddd server output |
| 06:51.04 | HeadCrash | when I spawned on the ground plane I could not jump (I could if I spawned on geometry up above) and was basically invulnerable |
| 06:51.13 | HeadCrash | I'll do it. |
| 06:51.41 | brlcad | now _that_ sounds like packets getting lost |
| 06:51.57 | brlcad | fire |
| 06:52.24 | HeadCrash | Heh, that seemed to work fine. |
| 06:52.53 | brlcad | woot, problem solved *ahem* |
| 06:53.05 | jpa_ | ~brlcad++ |
| 06:53.08 | HeadCrash | brlcad: So what was it? |
| 06:53.54 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Are things fixed if I connect to other servers? What is up? |
| 06:54.23 | jpa_ | ... |
| 06:55.00 | HeadCrash | Still having the same problems on secretplace |
| 06:55.09 | jpa_ | (he probably is debugging something etc. now :) |
| 06:55.23 | HeadCrash | Gotcha |
| 06:55.47 | brlcad | HeadCrash: heh, no no.. it was a j.. never mind :) |
| 06:56.27 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Clarify? a.j. ? |
| 06:56.41 | brlcad | a joke |
| 06:57.13 | brlcad | that was utterly killed after the fact |
| 06:57.14 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Indeed. Been a while since I've hung out on IRC. Was there at the beginning, though... |
| 06:57.46 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Any clue? Your server worked, others do not. |
| 06:58.08 | brlcad | network dust bunnies |
| 06:58.15 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Are you running a stock server, or is this something from the development branch? |
| 06:58.19 | brlcad | no seriously, I'm thinking your on track with the networking |
| 06:58.40 | brlcad | ahh, that's another good point |
| 06:58.40 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Yes, I figure. I should try some network forensics. |
| 06:58.49 | brlcad | secret's running the latest cvs |
| 06:58.55 | brlcad | at least close to latest |
| 06:59.29 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Yes -- [SERVER->] BZFlag server 2.0.1.20050128-DEVEL-linux-gnu-SDL, http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 06:59.34 | brlcad | give me a second to update the build and debug test |
| 06:59.43 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Sure. |
| 07:04.17 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Interesting |
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| 07:19.29 | HeadCrash | brlcad: So, what does this mean? Is the problem with the latest CVS server code? Or has this exercised a hiterto unreported bug in the client? |
| 07:19.32 | brlcad | ahh, well we are one of the most robust at CSG :) |
| 07:19.52 | brlcad | HeadCrash: yes, latest CVS problem |
| 07:20.09 | brlcad | you're seeing it on a couple of the popular servers because they've been updating in sync frequently |
| 07:20.18 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Also interested in finite element analysis for thermal engineering. We make tiiiiny little packages with warm chips in them. |
| 07:20.44 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Gotcah. Well, I should definitely sign off and go to bed soon. |
| 07:20.49 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Glad to help debug this. |
| 07:20.51 | brlcad | likewise |
| 07:20.55 | brlcad | thanks |
| 07:21.09 | jpa_ | brlcad: humm.. so is this associated somehow with the problem i have been having.. |
| 07:21.13 | HeadCrash | brlcad: So, where do I get the latest version of BRL-CAD now that it is _for_real_ open source? |
| 07:21.35 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org |
| 07:21.39 | brlcad | sf.net |
| 07:21.40 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Trie sourceforge a while ago, but there didn't appear to be any packaged files. |
| 07:21.44 | jpa_ | twice (different persons) i have seen a tank going in circles on the sky, shooting but not shootable, on my server |
| 07:21.56 | jpa_ | with that grey bubble around |
| 07:22.03 | brlcad | no, no binaries just quite yet except for 64 bit platforms and 32bit irix |
| 07:22.19 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Source packages? Or just anonymous CVS checkout? |
| 07:22.28 | brlcad | HeadCrash: there should be binaries up real soon - it's been very busy since the announcements and attention |
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| 07:23.14 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Inded. Anyway, nice working with you. I'm Rich -- http://devaul.net/~rich if you are curious. |
| 07:23.34 | brlcad | HeadCrash: both -- I'd give anonymous cvs a try if you've got a decent autotools install -- if not 7.0.4 or 7.0.2 should do just fine |
| 07:23.41 | HeadCrash | brlcad: ... and I should probably get a real IRC client one of these days. |
| 07:23.54 | jpa_ | irssi :) |
| 07:24.22 | brlcad | feel free to drop by #brlcad if questions come up, or through the other usual channels of communication |
| 07:24.36 | HeadCrash | jpa_: so noted. :) |
| 07:25.13 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Gotcha. |
| 07:25.58 | brlcad | likewise nice talking to you .. see if we can't get the bz bugs worked out |
| 07:26.27 | HeadCrash | jpa_: sudo apt-get install irss-gnome ;) |
| 07:26.47 | HeadCrash | brlcad: Nice talking to you. |
| 07:27.00 | HeadCrash | 'Night all. |
| 07:27.18 | HeadCrash | (make that install irssi-gnome. Oops) |
| 07:28.39 | jpa_ | HeadCrash: eww.. not -gnome |
| 07:28.45 | jpa_ | HeadCrash: it is old and useless |
| 07:28.56 | jpa_ | HeadCrash: use irssi-text :) |
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| 14:51.30 | Grumbler | apt-get |
| 14:51.44 | Grumbler | ww |
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| 15:06.20 | cods | does Zones support all transformations (including shear and spin) ? |
| 15:17.58 | Pimpi | do static procedures need no declaration? |
| 15:18.40 | cods | hmm, what ? |
| 15:19.15 | cods | what language are you talking about ? |
| 15:19.21 | Pimpi | c++ |
| 15:19.56 | Pimpi | i don't find declarations for the handle*Cmd() stuff |
| 15:20.00 | cods | by procedures, you mean function returning void ? Static or not, functions are defined the same ways. |
| 15:20.28 | cods | if static, then it's only visible inside the translation unit |
| 15:20.52 | Pimpi | sure, but still i don't find the declarations |
| 15:21.30 | cods | it's about commands.cxx ? |
| 15:21.39 | Pimpi | yeah |
| 15:22.07 | cods | functions are first defined, then used later in code.. |
| 15:22.39 | Pimpi | no, they are first declared, later defined |
| 15:23.36 | cods | unless I'm wrong with terminology, it's a declaration: "static void foo();", and it's a definition: "static void foo() { ... }" |
| 15:23.40 | trepan | func protos are used to avoid forward referencing |
| 15:24.26 | Pimpi | cods you r right |
| 15:24.49 | Pimpi | they are defined, but not declared |
| 15:25.24 | cods | taking one random command, such as 'handleUptimeCmd', show that function is first defined, then called later in the source code.. |
| 15:25.55 | Pimpi | yeah, from parseCommand() |
| 15:26.21 | Pimpi | parseServerCommand now |
| 15:26.53 | cods | but what's the problem then ? |
| 15:27.17 | jpa_ | humm |
| 15:27.28 | jpa_ | how do i disable bots? |
| 15:27.49 | cods | -disableBots ? :) |
| 15:27.50 | jpa_ | cods: i think zones do not support transformations |
| 15:27.56 | jpa_ | cods: thx |
| 15:28.20 | jpa_ | it is not in manpage :) |
| 15:28.25 | cods | it is |
| 15:29.40 | jpa_ | humm |
| 15:29.47 | jpa_ | oh |
| 15:29.49 | jpa_ | true |
| 15:29.55 | jpa_ | was reading old manpage |
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| 15:32.40 | bryjen | Pimpi: functions are often declared (prototyped or whatever its called) in the .h files |
| 15:33.05 | Pimpi | yeah, they were formerly, but not anymore |
| 15:33.18 | Pimpi | thats why some hunks failed |
| 15:33.35 | Pimpi | so i was searching to where they moved |
| 15:33.48 | Pimpi | but it seems they aren't there anymore |
| 15:33.52 | cods | but since they're static, declared or not, you can't use them from another module. |
| 15:34.09 | Pimpi | sure, and i don't need to |
| 15:34.24 | Pimpi | but i was sure c++ forces declaration |
| 15:34.31 | bryjen | so as long as they are define before you try to use them, you're OK |
| 15:34.37 | cods | definition is a declaration |
| 15:34.45 | Pimpi | ic |
| 15:36.21 | cods | so C++ force you to have function defined prior to calling it, but since declaration also introduce definition implictly, it's fine. |
| 15:36.42 | Pimpi | that explains |
| 15:36.51 | Pimpi | ~cods++ |
| 15:37.32 | Grumbler | anybody know if its better to make one large mesh, or a bunch of little meshes......ie, grass, trees, stone walls...etc |
| 15:38.18 | cods | Grumbler: I think it's equivalent in most of the cases. |
| 15:39.01 | cods | since what matter is total number of vertices and number of faces. Splitting mesh or not will not change these points. |
| 15:39.14 | cods | again.. for such a question, trepan is better to answer that :) |
| 15:39.44 | Pimpi | not sure, but yesterday i saw a map made of only one mesh, 4800 vertices almost 10000 faces and it was fast |
| 15:40.10 | cods | the problem may be with inside/outside points (for now at least) |
| 15:40.38 | cods | and, I think, collision detection is perhaps better optimized with several meshes instead of one. |
| 15:40.44 | Pimpi | shouldn't be wrong to have large meshes so |
| 15:41.00 | Pimpi | yeah probably |
| 15:43.22 | Pimpi | pimpi.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 15:43.32 | Pimpi | quite impressing |
| 15:45.11 | cods | yeah.. and so fast to render.. |
| 15:45.26 | Pimpi | it's all one mesh |
| 15:51.38 | cods | I'm really interested to know how one big mesh work with collision detection |
| 15:51.57 | orange | that's a very cool map |
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| 15:57.36 | Nidhoggr | pretty cool map, pimpi. |
| 15:57.38 | harmonic | i'm having an issue on secretplace... everytime i spawn, i can't move, and i seem to be invinsible |
| 15:57.52 | Pimpi | Nidhoggr: by legoguy iirc |
| 15:57.58 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
| 15:58.05 | TheRedBaron | Harmonic: are you joining as observer? |
| 15:58.19 | harmonic | TheRedBaron, no rouge |
| 15:58.22 | SportChick | jpa_: ping |
| 15:58.46 | harmonic | Sportchick says that Roadkill was also having an issue |
| 15:58.55 | SportChick | yes he was |
| 15:58.56 | TheRedBaron | hmm rouge team could be full and booting you to observer. .. |
| 15:58.58 | cods | Not a firewall issue ? |
| 15:59.10 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 15:59.16 | Nidhoggr | possibly. |
| 15:59.16 | harmonic | i have no firewall |
| 15:59.23 | harmonic | hi SportChick |
| 15:59.43 | harmonic | this is Annihilator |
| 15:59.50 | SportChick | rk had the identicle problem yesterday - last time I saw him, he was trying to rebuild. |
| 15:59.56 | Grumbler | Pimpi< have you looked at the -cache/-cacheout options......trepan was pointing me in that direction to speed up map transfer |
| 15:59.56 | SportChick | harmonic: yes, I figured that out! :) |
| 16:00.08 | TheRedBaron | Harmonic: What operating system? |
| 16:00.23 | harmonic | TheRedBaron, gentoo linux |
| 16:00.51 | TheRedBaron | harmonic: hmm I'm a windows user, so i'm of no help. Sorry :) |
| 16:01.04 | PrezKennedy | mmm gentoo ricer |
| 16:01.29 | harmonic | no, all my compile options are conservative |
| 16:02.20 | PrezKennedy | -05? |
| 16:02.21 | PrezKennedy | ;-) |
| 16:02.45 | harmonic | no -02 |
| 16:03.30 | Pimpi | Grumbler: speedup from server to client? |
| 16:03.38 | Grumbler | yes |
| 16:03.41 | Nidhoggr | I'm not seeing any clues in the logs on secretplace. |
| 16:03.59 | Pimpi | won't be too fast here, it's my box at home |
| 16:04.13 | Pimpi | only 160kbps upload ;) |
| 16:04.33 | Annihilator | Nidhoggr, thanks for checking |
| 16:04.38 | Pimpi | but i'll take a look on it |
| 16:04.39 | Nidhoggr | no problem |
| 16:04.44 | Grumbler | but it reduces the file size signifucant |
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| 16:05.08 | Pimpi | oh, ic |
| 16:05.58 | TheRedBaron | !seen orchid |
| 16:05.58 | guu | TheRedBaron: orchid was last seen here 13 hours, 6 minutes, and 54 seconds ago saying: <orchid> Roadkill: there might be another roadkill on irc |
| 16:10.28 | SportChick | Pimpi: VERY fun map |
| 16:10.37 | SportChick | except if you die and try to respawn |
| 16:11.08 | Pimpi | had never problems with it |
| 16:11.16 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: I know Roadkill had a similar problem yesterday - on linux but don't know which version |
| 16:11.46 | Annihilator | update: i just tried it again and i'm still frozen when i spawn, but i can be killed |
| 16:12.50 | TheRedBaron | Annihilator: ok I've got a dumb question/solution but have you checked the keymapping? |
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| 16:14.41 | Annihilator | TheRedBaron, well, the thing is, everything works on a different server (i was just on hepcat). it's just on secretplace. so that kinda rules out a configuration issue |
| 16:15.25 | Annihilator | plus, i even renamed my .bzflag directory to take my config back to default... problem persists |
| 16:15.28 | TheRedBaron | Annihilator: You are correct, sorry. |
| 16:15.34 | t-s | I changed a variable name in StateDatabase.h, StateDatabase.cxx and global.cxx but my builds of bzfs still use the old name. I trashed those .o files and recompiled but no luck. How can that happen |
| 16:15.41 | Nidhoggr | I have been putting off a recompile/restart because of various things. |
| 16:15.43 | Nidhoggr | maybe I should. |
| 16:15.56 | Annihilator | TheRedBaron, good suggestion tho... |
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| 16:17.41 | TheRedBaron | Annihilator: my problem is I see computer problems as from a mechanic's point of view |
| 16:18.08 | Annihilator | TheRedBaron, yeah, that's a good way to solve problems |
| 16:18.17 | TheRedBaron | its often the small unchecked things that result in a car breakdown, So i check the "dumb" things first :) |
| 16:19.20 | Annihilator | TheRedBaron, yeah, i had just already checked the small dumb things when you made the suggestion :) |
| 16:19.27 | bryjen | its better to check the power cord first than spend an hour disassembling and reassembling the PC :) |
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| 16:22.13 | Annihilator | what identifiers does the server use to ID a player? i'm thinking my ID might be in some corrupted state on secretplace since i was playing on a bad connection last night. i've change my nick and IP, and the problem persists. does anyone know if the server "fingerprints" players in any other way? |
| 16:25.21 | bryjen | there's a "slot" or "playerID" number that's used in the data structures. Really, nothing in the server should persist once you've disconnected. |
| 16:26.27 | Annihilator | bryjen, okay. i thought that something might persist as a cheat pervention measure |
| 16:27.05 | bryjen | your IP and hostname if you get banned ;) |
| 16:28.29 | Annihilator | i was thinking the server might possibly bury some cookies in your config directory or something like that |
| 16:28.59 | Nidhoggr | if my server gave out cookies, I'd axe it. ;) |
| 16:29.12 | bryjen | Mmmm |
| 16:30.07 | Nidhoggr | actually, I like some cookies... choc chip, peanut butter, etc... but I despise cake. |
| 16:30.14 | Annihilator | yeah... and it could easily be circumvented by a dedicated cheater |
| 16:30.23 | RedBaron2 | yea, cake isn't very good |
| 16:30.42 | RedBaron2 | i'm not to keen on cookies either though.. |
| 16:30.58 | RedBaron2 | my weak point is ice cream :) |
| 16:31.05 | Nidhoggr | I like moist and chewy cookies. not fond of crunchy ones. |
| 16:31.30 | RedBaron2 | right, and when they're hot out of the oven.. |
| 16:31.37 | PrezKennedy | mmmm cookies |
| 16:31.50 | Nidhoggr | we have otis redinbacher oven and dough at work. |
| 16:31.55 | Nidhoggr | we make fresh cookies all the timel |
| 16:32.20 | Grumbler | ~slap Nidhoggr for making me hungry |
| 16:32.22 | ibot | ACTION slaps Nidhoggr for making me hungry, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 16:32.25 | PrezKennedy | if only we could all work at a bakery :-P |
| 16:32.31 | RedBaron2 | oh..nothing beats a fresh, gooey cookie |
| 16:32.36 | Annihilator | cookiedough is the best |
| 16:32.37 | Nidhoggr | I work at an internet co |
| 16:32.41 | Nidhoggr | they are just big geeks |
| 16:32.48 | Nidhoggr | and we have an otis factory next to us. |
| 16:32.56 | PrezKennedy | you work on.... Internet??? :-O |
| 16:33.17 | Nidhoggr | http://www.limelightnetworks.com |
| 16:33.20 | PrezKennedy | id hate to see the bottom line |
| 16:33.27 | PrezKennedy | no profits whatsoever from that bakery |
| 16:33.49 | TheRedBaron | dang, we'd be fat and broke... |
| 16:33.57 | TheRedBaron | not a good combo.. |
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| 16:34.07 | Nidhoggr | we just have cool management. |
| 16:34.20 | Nidhoggr | bbq every friday... free food and sodas at work, etc. |
| 16:34.32 | Grumbler | so are they hiring |
| 16:34.42 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:34.46 | trepan | -cache does not reduce the map transfer size |
| 16:34.48 | Nidhoggr | they are going to be hiring more. |
| 16:35.05 | Grumbler | i could be their eastcoast headquarters |
| 16:35.21 | trepan | it uses a more streamlined transfer process |
| 16:35.40 | Nidhoggr | our management is moving into the building across the parking lot and we are expanding engineering/ops to take over this building. |
| 16:35.49 | Grumbler | trepan< so its -cacheout that does that? |
| 16:36.06 | bryjen | -cacheout generates the file to be used with -cache |
| 16:36.11 | trepan | Grumbler: neither does that |
| 16:36.23 | trepan | zlib is used for all file transfers |
| 16:36.40 | Grumbler | hmm, it went from 4M to ~600kb with -cacheout |
| 16:36.51 | trepan | -cache uses http as opposed to call/respond mechanism |
| 16:36.57 | trepan | Grumbler: use some -d's |
| 16:37.10 | trepan | all map transfers are compressed |
| 16:37.13 | bryjen | the 4M is a text .bzw file, yes? |
| 16:37.22 | trepan | OMG, what will it take? |
| 16:37.26 | Grumbler | ok, i will look again, i just noted that the file shrunk |
| 16:37.54 | bryjen | trepan? |
| 16:38.22 | Grumbler | bryjen< yes, it was a 4M bzw |
| 16:38.30 | Grumbler | text file |
| 16:38.45 | JeffM2501 | my 2 meg text file compressed down to 180k when sending |
| 16:38.48 | trepan | take the ascii map file -> make a binary format -> compress it -> <sned to a binary file with -cacheout OR send it using the normal transfer mechanism> |
| 16:38.54 | bryjen | the cacheout result is the same binary data that bzfs normally sends to the client. |
| 16:39.35 | Grumbler | ah, see like, that wasnt in the -help message......so my assumption was wrong.............well, not the first time |
| 16:39.41 | trepan | sry, tired, crashing :) |
| 16:41.09 | Grumbler | heck, i am still trying to put color on my meshes......to heck with this cache stuff :) |
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| 16:42.06 | Grumbler | as a future frame of reference, the obj was 8m, the bzw was 6m, and the -cacheout was ~680kb |
| 16:42.14 | Pimpi | so whats the benefit of -cacheout? |
| 16:42.30 | TheRedBaron | 14mb to 680kb? |
| 16:42.30 | Pimpi | reducing cpu usage? |
| 16:42.36 | Grumbler | well, using trepans definition, its faster transfer |
| 16:42.47 | bryjen | Pimpi: you can put the file on a http or ftp server so that bzfs doesn't have to send it |
| 16:42.59 | Pimpi | oh, ic |
| 16:43.09 | bryjen | hopefully on a different net link, save your game link some bandwidth |
| 16:43.40 | Grumbler | -cache uses http as opposed to call/respond mechanism |
| 16:43.48 | bryjen | and use a nicer transfer protocol instead of bz's builtin, should go a bit faster |
| 16:46.28 | JeffM2501 | hmmm, somone is not geting good performance on a k6 300 with a riva 128, imagine that.... |
| 16:46.39 | Noodle-sensei | holy crap, are you serious?? |
| 16:46.57 | bryjen | no, he's JeffM2501 |
| 16:47.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah it must be a fatal flaw in the rendeting system |
| 16:47.14 | JeffM2501 | to not support a system of that magnitude |
| 16:47.20 | Noodle-sensei | yes, we'll need to spend months to overhaul it |
| 16:47.33 | Noodle-sensei | it has to be terribly inefficient |
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| 16:48.32 | Grumbler | if he paints my house, i will give him a new computer.....maybe even a celeron |
| 16:48.39 | JeffM2501 | I had a riva 128 when I started |
| 16:48.40 | Noodle-sensei | :-) |
| 16:48.50 | JeffM2501 | I could not get more then 15fps with it |
| 16:48.55 | Noodle-sensei | i had a geforce 2 |
| 16:48.55 | JeffM2501 | back in 1.7b2 |
| 16:49.09 | JeffM2501 | well yeah I started a bit before you did :) |
| 16:49.10 | Noodle-sensei | 1.7e2 |
| 16:49.23 | bryjen | 16 colors! w000! |
| 16:49.24 | JeffM2501 | I upgraded to a 3dLabs Permidia 2 |
| 16:49.27 | JeffM2501 | that helped a lot |
| 16:49.30 | JeffM2501 | I could turn on textures |
| 16:49.38 | Noodle-sensei | bryjen: i remember my first computer was one of those |
| 16:50.09 | Noodle-sensei | i loved that thing |
| 16:50.58 | TheRedBaron | Noodle-sensei: I'm still stuck with a geforce 2. |
| 16:51.31 | Noodle-sensei | i can't remember what my powerbook has |
| 16:51.48 | Noodle-sensei | i know my power mac G4 has a geforce 4 ti |
| 16:52.59 | TheRedBaron | I can't understand it, I was getting 20fps on a 2.0 rabbit server. that tuxee one... does 2.0 really tax the card? |
| 16:53.11 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, find any code yet? :) |
| 16:54.29 | cods | I don't know why, but tuxee server is the most problematic map for 2.0 |
| 16:54.50 | cods | perhaps because I'm abusing transparents walls. |
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| 16:55.55 | Grumbler | cods< stop abusing the walls, or i will have to report you |
| 16:56.07 | cods | :) |
| 16:56.40 | cods | unfortunately I'm not good enough in english to fully understand the meaning of what I wrote :) |
| 16:56.41 | TheRedBaron | the government has a branch for walls too? sheesh, whats next?!? |
| 16:58.37 | Grumbler | heh |
| 16:59.46 | Grumbler | TheRedBaron< well, for one thing, dont go to a doctor anymore....they have been replaced by the coven. i would say more, but this channel is unsecure. |
| 17:00.44 | JeffM2501 | witches are HOT |
| 17:01.03 | jpa_ | SportChick: pong |
| 17:01.24 | TheRedBaron | jeffM2501: please contain the outburts, you're making me nervous... |
| 17:01.30 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 17:01.34 | JeffM2501 | you'll live |
| 17:01.50 | TheRedBaron | unfortunately :P |
| 17:01.57 | cods | ~dict outburts |
| 17:02.01 | JeffM2501 | what card do you have? |
| 17:02.16 | jpa_ | cods: how are you abusing them? |
| 17:02.25 | TheRedBaron | off of the top of my head.. Geforce 2 gts... |
| 17:02.41 | cods | jpa_: I mean "using to many transparents faces" |
| 17:02.44 | cods | s/to/too/ |
| 17:02.48 | jpa_ | oh |
| 17:02.49 | JeffM2501 | does the map have a lot of extra things? |
| 17:02.54 | TheRedBaron | cods: outburst... sorry, spelling error |
| 17:02.56 | JeffM2501 | like those transperant faces |
| 17:02.58 | JeffM2501 | extra texturss |
| 17:03.03 | JeffM2501 | a ton of rain? |
| 17:03.13 | JeffM2501 | mirrors? |
| 17:03.49 | Grumbler | JeffM2501< you have obviously not visited tuxee.....yes to all. ;) |
| 17:03.51 | TheRedBaron | I had those turned off. |
| 17:03.54 | cods | which map ? Mine ? No mirror, no rain, no extra texture |
| 17:03.55 | JeffM2501 | trees that are more then a cylinder wiht a cone on top |
| 17:04.02 | JeffM2501 | then yes that will jack with the engine |
| 17:04.12 | JeffM2501 | bzflag's rendering system does not handle all that well |
| 17:04.20 | cods | Grumbler: hmm ? NO to all.. :) |
| 17:04.25 | JeffM2501 | just cus it can draw it, dosn't mean it draws it well :) |
| 17:04.41 | Grumbler | cods< well, the last time i was there, it was all on. ;) |
| 17:04.43 | JeffM2501 | lots of rain is a big killer |
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| 17:04.55 | cods | the only things are: some transparents walls, some box converted to arcs. |
| 17:04.59 | cods | nothing else actually. |
| 17:05.00 | JeffM2501 | the mirror makes basicly all things be done 2 times |
| 17:05.10 | cods | no mirror, no rain.. |
| 17:05.15 | JeffM2501 | how many trany things? |
| 17:05.34 | cods | what ? |
| 17:05.36 | JeffM2501 | transperant things mean they have to be sorted |
| 17:05.42 | JeffM2501 | the more of them, the more sorting |
| 17:05.46 | JeffM2501 | and sorting is not fast |
| 17:05.52 | Grumbler | trany.....oh JeffM2501-ism for transparent |
| 17:05.58 | cods | oh |
| 17:06.48 | cods | hmm, there is.. wow.. about 500 transparents faces. |
| 17:06.57 | JeffM2501 | that's a lot of sorting |
| 17:07.49 | cods | (I know that involve sorting for transparents faces) |
| 17:09.01 | cods | however.. only half of these faces are "visibles" (CCW) at any time. |
| 17:09.13 | JeffM2501 | they are still tested |
| 17:09.22 | JeffM2501 | but yeah that helps |
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| 17:09.31 | JeffM2501 | more == slower |
| 17:09.34 | JeffM2501 | less == faster |
| 17:09.41 | JeffM2501 | it's a simple ratio :) |
| 17:09.55 | TheRedBaron | hmmm, even i can understand that ratio... |
| 17:10.23 | JeffM2501 | the sorting is done CPU side, NOt card side |
| 17:10.34 | JeffM2501 | how fast is your CPU? |
| 17:10.39 | JeffM2501 | and memory bus? |
| 17:10.45 | cods | sorting 500 floating points is probably very fast.. no ? |
| 17:11.00 | cods | doh.. s/floating points/floats/ |
| 17:11.03 | JeffM2501 | no, it's more then that, it has to be sorted with all the other objects |
| 17:11.06 | JeffM2501 | that can be seen thru it |
| 17:11.19 | cods | oh |
| 17:11.19 | JeffM2501 | it's not just sorting them with themselves |
| 17:11.31 | JeffM2501 | since you can see thru them, you have to draw the stuff behind them first |
| 17:11.33 | JeffM2501 | then them |
| 17:11.43 | JeffM2501 | then the stuf in front of them |
| 17:11.44 | cods | very good point :) |
| 17:11.50 | JeffM2501 | so it can get very complex |
| 17:11.59 | JeffM2501 | and it's more then just a sort on the center point |
| 17:12.02 | JeffM2501 | it's a plane |
| 17:12.07 | JeffM2501 | at any angle |
| 17:12.11 | cods | so yes, once I've a transparent faces, everything should be sorted.. hmm.. argh. |
| 17:12.27 | JeffM2501 | everytying that is in the proejcted nodes |
| 17:12.33 | JeffM2501 | the octree helps cull out others |
| 17:12.39 | cods | well, bzflag sort by center point |
| 17:12.41 | JeffM2501 | but the more ther is, the more that has to be sorted. |
| 17:13.10 | jpa_ | and also, they are not that transparent that it would be anything else than good-looking |
| 17:13.10 | JeffM2501 | ahh then trepan cheezed out ;) |
| 17:13.29 | cods | jpa_: what you mean ? |
| 17:13.40 | jpa_ | cods: on your server |
| 17:13.47 | jpa_ | (the last time i checked) |
| 17:14.10 | cods | ok, but what you mean ? (I don't understand what you said..) |
| 17:14.17 | jpa_ | umm |
| 17:14.35 | jpa_ | i mean that they are not that transparent that it would be useful for game playing |
| 17:14.38 | JeffM2501 | it could be better if bzflag had a better world database |
| 17:14.46 | JeffM2501 | and did some more presorting and previs |
| 17:14.51 | jpa_ | you have to look to even notice them |
| 17:16.21 | brlcad | JeffM2501: nope not yet |
| 17:16.45 | JeffM2501 | if I'm buging you too much just let me know :) |
| 17:16.58 | brlcad | nope |
| 17:17.21 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, find any source yet? ;) |
| 17:17.26 | brlcad | hehe |
| 17:17.33 | brlcad | found it! *ahem* |
| 17:17.51 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:17.59 | JeffM2501 | man do I hate this language |
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| 17:18.14 | brlcad | english? :) |
| 17:18.18 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:18.32 | JeffM2501 | our internal programing language for generating programs for CNC machines. |
| 17:18.35 | JeffM2501 | "compost" |
| 17:18.42 | brlcad | ahh |
| 17:18.52 | JeffM2501 | no infix math |
| 17:19.02 | JeffM2501 | no functions with paramaters |
| 17:19.16 | JeffM2501 | If can only have an else and an end |
| 17:19.43 | JeffM2501 | it's just all nasty |
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| 17:49.43 | ruskie | *cry* |
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| 17:50.47 | ruskie | bzflag2 is hopelessly borked for me it seems... I start it up... connect to some server and bang... my screen shuts down and I have to hard reboot my linux box... :'( |
| 17:52.24 | Tupone | http://wiki.ffii.org/Restart050202En |
| 17:53.04 | JeffM2501 | they go from 0 to 1 |
| 17:53.16 | JeffM2501 | wher 1 is a full texture size in that axis |
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| 17:53.35 | JeffM2501 | so a shift of 0.5 0.5 moves the texture over 1/2 in it's X and Y |
| 17:53.56 | cods | ohh.. ok, thx. it's not coordinate. |
| 17:54.03 | JeffM2501 | the "size" is a size in world coords |
| 17:54.21 | JeffM2501 | it is a coordinate, a Texture Coordinate :) |
| 17:54.27 | JeffM2501 | it's called UV space |
| 17:55.11 | ruskie | hmmm any clues why bzflag2 would behave in such a way??? |
| 17:55.25 | cods | in fact, I'm trying to just make a texture rotate around Y axis (on a meshbox defined by 'meshbox; position 0 0 0; size 20 20 5; end' + a texture matrix object) |
| 17:55.26 | JeffM2501 | bad GL |
| 17:55.42 | cods | but I can't position the center (tried .5 .5, 5 5, 0 0, 10 10,..) |
| 17:55.53 | JeffM2501 | cods, what do you mean "rotate around Y, what would be a 3d rotation, on a 2d image |
| 17:56.22 | cods | 2d image is a 3 planes for me. In my case, for the top of the meshbox. |
| 17:56.27 | JeffM2501 | the texture matrix just does transforms to the texture, in texture space, not how it's applied to to the model |
| 17:56.35 | ruskie | JeffM2501, using dri.sf.net with a radeon 9250 and it worked this way when it was using sdl to render and then I switched to pure X and it worked fine for a few days but today when I want to play again I keep getting the same thing... |
| 17:56.50 | cods | JeffM2501: ok. It's not very clear for me, but I know where to search now. |
| 17:56.56 | JeffM2501 | then you want to rotate around the Texture's local Z cods, no Y, it's in the textures frame, not what it's applied to |
| 17:57.13 | JeffM2501 | you can apply the same tranfromation to any texture on any face, regardless of orientation |
| 17:57.19 | cods | oh, I mean Z axis.. indeed... not Y (argh, sorry for confusion) |
| 17:57.20 | JeffM2501 | so it can't be in world space |
| 17:57.42 | JeffM2501 | didn't trepan just give a rotate transform? |
| 17:57.56 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, DRI blows, get the ATI drivers. |
| 17:58.12 | ruskie | afaik the ati drivers are total and utter crap |
| 17:58.34 | JeffM2501 | well then so is DRI |
| 17:58.45 | ruskie | well I can try it... |
| 17:58.46 | JeffM2501 | I never use ATI |
| 17:58.49 | Chestal | software rendering works fine :-) |
| 17:58.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah or just do software |
| 17:58.59 | cods | JeffM2501: I tried to start from that: http://tuxee.net/maptm.txt so that in observer mode, you viewing top of the meshbox, the texture would rotate around the Z axis (around center of the face) |
| 17:59.01 | JeffM2501 | and watch the slideshow |
| 17:59.16 | JeffM2501 | cods, gimme a sec |
| 17:59.17 | ruskie | so far I had no problems with any GL games with dri... and ati... only bzflag is causing problems... |
| 17:59.22 | Chestal | ruskie: but disabling dri/glx might be a good idea to see if it still crashes |
| 17:59.48 | ruskie | worth a shot |
| 17:59.55 | Chestal | not sure if your setup uses LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT variable, you can try |
| 18:00.03 | JeffM2501 | techincaly we should not be able to kill nix, we are just an app, if it kills the system that's usualy a driver level thing. |
| 18:00.44 | Chestal | ruskie: try env LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 glxinfo |
| 18:00.58 | Chestal | see what it says about direct rendering |
| 18:01.03 | ruskie | says no |
| 18:01.19 | ruskie | and glxgears confirm it |
| 18:01.30 | Chestal | good, then try starting bzflag that way |
| 18:01.43 | Chestal | should be slow, but let's see if it crashes |
| 18:02.37 | Chestal | apart from that, there's not much I casn think of. Didable textures and stuff and see if it makes a difference, probably run with -window |
| 18:04.04 | ruskie | well didn't crahs with that but here's a riddle for you... then why did it work before and then again starts crashing... I mean I've played ok a day or two ago... |
| 18:04.18 | JeffM2501 | something on the computer changed |
| 18:04.30 | ruskie | no dri nor xorg updates... |
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| 18:04.37 | JeffM2501 | maybe the card is overheating when doing hardware rendering? |
| 18:04.40 | ruskie | no bzflag rebuilds |
| 18:04.43 | JeffM2501 | the fan on it still working? |
| 18:04.47 | ruskie | hmmm yeah that could be it... |
| 18:04.50 | JeffM2501 | any bugs or dust in it? |
| 18:04.55 | ruskie | passive cooling only... |
| 18:05.01 | JeffM2501 | ewww |
| 18:05.06 | JeffM2501 | on a 9200 |
| 18:05.07 | Grumbler | did you change resolution settings in between playing |
| 18:05.07 | ruskie | zalman passive cooling |
| 18:05.11 | ruskie | on a 9250 |
| 18:05.11 | JeffM2501 | they myst be joking |
| 18:05.14 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 18:05.24 | JeffM2501 | that' just means it's an overcolocked 9200 :) |
| 18:05.27 | ruskie | acctually the stock cooler is something small and a big joke |
| 18:05.35 | JeffM2501 | slap a fan on that sucker |
| 18:05.48 | ruskie | what I've put on is bigger then the whole card twice over |
| 18:06.07 | ruskie | but I've been planing on adding a fan to it... |
| 18:06.36 | ruskie | or I could just turn on the system fans |
| 18:07.48 | JeffM2501 | it would be something to try |
| 18:08.12 | ruskie | I really need to go and buy that addon fan for it... but atm am broke... |
| 18:08.24 | JeffM2501 | then software it is for you :) |
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| 18:08.40 | Chestal | would be interesting to test if it#s really the overheating |
| 18:09.01 | bryjen | http://www.ati.com/designpartners/media/images/R9250_board_lg.jpg |
| 18:09.14 | bryjen | surface area and airflow |
| 18:09.24 | ruskie | though the weirdest thing so far I've come accross was a few reboots ago when I've rebooted and came back to a bzflag screen... |
| 18:09.31 | ruskie | seems the video mem wasn't wiped... |
| 18:09.32 | JeffM2501 | awww it's a baby card. |
| 18:09.33 | ruskie | openurl 23 |
| 18:09.34 | JeffM2501 | how cute |
| 18:09.43 | ruskie | ups |
| 18:09.56 | ruskie | was missing a / |
| 18:10.31 | ruskie | http://ruskie.dtdm.org/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=random&id=IMG_0703 <-- this is how mine is equpied |
| 18:10.53 | ruskie | and that's only the top side... there's another such thing on the bottom |
| 18:11.12 | Grumbler | thats a little scary |
| 18:11.21 | JeffM2501 | how much are you overclocking it? |
| 18:11.22 | ruskie | took me half an hour to assemble |
| 18:11.25 | ruskie | nothing |
| 18:11.30 | ruskie | I don't OC hardware |
| 18:11.40 | ruskie | all I want is quite and working hardware |
| 18:11.45 | ruskie | quiet even |
| 18:11.46 | JeffM2501 | yet you put masive colling fins on them? |
| 18:11.53 | bryjen | no, you just mutate the heatsink |
| 18:12.02 | JeffM2501 | get a mini, they are quiet |
| 18:12.12 | bryjen | it had a fan before? |
| 18:12.15 | ruskie | nope |
| 18:12.25 | bryjen | then why? |
| 18:12.39 | ruskie | stock cooler is just a 45x45mm piece of aluminum |
| 18:12.47 | ruskie | no fan or anything |
| 18:13.02 | bryjen | yes, and that's probly what their engineer determined it needed.... |
| 18:13.04 | Chestal | IMHO you should really use case fans when your video card has none |
| 18:13.15 | ruskie | <-- has case fans... 2 of them... |
| 18:13.19 | JeffM2501 | on modern GPU hardware yeah |
| 18:13.27 | Grumbler | heh, bryjen do you actually think an engineer got involved....i suspect a marketing guy |
| 18:13.41 | ruskie | I'd say a financials guy |
| 18:14.13 | bryjen | it the stock heatsink was insufficient, people would be metling chips left and right. not good for marketing or sales either. |
| 18:14.15 | ruskie | i.e. you don't really need a fan on it and it saves us N $$$ a piece |
| 18:14.52 | ruskie | well here goes nothing... should be cool enough for now... |
| 18:15.03 | *** part/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACD47438.ipt.aol.com) |
| 18:15.12 | ruskie | atleast to try... |
| 18:15.49 | Grumbler | bryjen< a little over the top, most likely it would just reboot every now and again......and then everybody would blame it on windows |
| 18:16.43 | bryjen | well, maybe. it wouldn't just melt into a puddle right after you power it up, but it could eventually dammage it. |
| 18:16.45 | cods | hmm, about U/V I understand how that work. Now, I've to find how objects such as arc, cone,.. define them. |
| 18:18.09 | bryjen | and its not necessarily the size. the little black one in my link had "fingers" providing surface area for air to pass over and carry away the heat. |
| 18:18.24 | bryjen | it wasn't just a block of metal |
| 18:20.46 | JeffM2501 | cods, did ou get your rotate working |
| 18:20.56 | JeffM2501 | I haven't had a chance to look for the UV rot ( I'm at work ) |
| 18:20.58 | cods | JeffM2501: yes |
| 18:21.01 | JeffM2501 | ok good |
| 18:21.12 | JeffM2501 | well the prims have a default maping |
| 18:21.27 | JeffM2501 | but they use the texture size to determine the number of repeats |
| 18:21.36 | cods | ok |
| 18:21.50 | JeffM2501 | like default for a mesh box, does 1 texture repeat per 1 bzflag world unit |
| 18:21.53 | JeffM2501 | I think |
| 18:22.19 | JeffM2501 | so if the top is 1 unit by 1 unit, it's UV will be 1.0 1.0 for the max corner |
| 18:22.37 | ruskie | well that failed miserably... |
| 18:22.53 | JeffM2501 | meshes define the UVs in the texture coordinate for each vert on each face |
| 18:23.01 | ruskie | now I've hacked togheter a fan from my random-stuff box and attached it I hope it'll be better now... |
| 18:24.10 | ruskie | hmmmm... guess it was overheating... |
| 18:24.13 | cods | JeffM2501: ok. Thx for help. It's more clear now. |
| 18:25.22 | JeffM2501 | well I could just be babbleing, but hey if it helps :) |
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| 18:35.37 | orange | brlcad: antescher filtered out the word "rules" :-) |
| 18:36.35 | orange | making me think that rules is a dirty word at that server |
| 18:37.32 | t-s | Hmm, I hate not being familiar with the code :-( |
| 18:38.28 | t-s | I have const BaseLocalPlayer* tank but want to know whether this one has shot himself |
| 18:40.14 | *** join/#bzflag Grumbler (~Grumbler@grumbler.bronze.supporter.pdpc) |
| 18:40.23 | Grumbler | grumble, grumble, grumble |
| 18:42.47 | jpa_ | degrumble, degrumble, degrumble |
| 18:42.57 | jpa_ | that word is difficult to write :S |
| 18:44.06 | cods | and even to read :) |
| 18:44.24 | Grumbler | you think xchat could handle getting the network cable unplugged for a bit.........and then getting a new, and then getting another new ip.....jeesh |
| 18:45.54 | Grumbler | ~x en de grumble |
| 18:46.08 | Grumbler | hmmm.....murrener |
| 18:46.35 | cods | ~x en fr grumble |
| 18:46.43 | cods | arf |
| 18:46.56 | Grumbler | try spelling that three times....fast |
| 18:47.07 | jpa_ | ~x en fi grumble |
| 18:47.29 | jpa_ | ibot has something against my country |
| 18:47.34 | t-s | Grumbler: The word you wrote doesn't exist in german |
| 18:47.39 | jpa_ | ~bzfrag ibot |
| 18:47.41 | ibot | ACTION destroys ibot with a guided missle |
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| 18:48.07 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 18:48.12 | jpa_ | hello tim |
| 18:48.21 | Grumbler | timm-aaa |
| 18:49.12 | cods | jpa_: I guess it's because google don't support this language |
| 18:49.34 | jpa_ | cods: :( |
| 18:49.38 | cods | ~x en jp grumble |
| 18:49.45 | cods | hehe |
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| 18:50.02 | *** part/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c114-p158.vtx.ch) |
| 18:50.04 | t-s | Grumbler: A person who grumbles is a "Murrer" in german |
| 18:50.59 | t-s | Hmm, what encoding is this? UTF-8? |
| 18:51.01 | Grumbler | hmm, Murrer, Mariner, Lurker, Mooo-er......it just not working |
| 18:51.24 | t-s | ~x en jp grumble |
| 18:51.41 | t-s | Aha, it's UTF-8 :-) |
| 18:53.37 | t-s | No help related to my question? I am not shure how I should do it. :-( |
| 18:53.50 | t-s | s/shure/sure |
| 18:55.08 | Grumbler | hmm, its utf-8....hmmm.....i suppose i should see something besides two boxes |
| 18:55.40 | t-s | Grumbler: That depends on the font you are using... |
| 19:00.09 | Grumbler | ~x en jp grumble |
| 19:00.31 | Grumbler | hmm, fonts must be borked....it was working with mozilla |
| 19:03.51 | ruskie | well I guess cooling will help... |
| 19:04.38 | t-s | Hmm, xchat on MS-Windows...what font is used to display the messages? |
| 19:04.51 | ruskie | whatever you select... |
| 19:05.39 | Grumbler | ~fishslap bryjen |
| 19:05.41 | ibot | ACTION slaps bryjen up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 19:06.05 | bryjen | odd i1568 ? |
| 19:06.47 | Grumbler | t-s, yep, whatever you select, but i think something is funky....i tried three fonts that are suppose to have extended character sets, but those characters are still boxes.........wouldnt it be funny if that was the character...heh |
| 19:07.47 | t-s | Grumbler: They are two different chars. I see it with Lucida Grande, which is not available for you, I guess. |
| 19:08.51 | Grumbler | bryjen< now i get it....yeah, maybe i am running on something experimental |
| 19:10.46 | t-s | Mozilla is walking across all available fonts when the selected font hasn't a specific char, then using another one from a different font so at least one font you have installed is capable of displaying it correctly |
| 19:11.14 | Grumbler | smart tool |
| 19:11.54 | ruskie | well freetype does that as well iirc... |
| 19:12.26 | t-s | The technology behind Seamonkey (AKA Mozilla Suite) and Firefox is pretty impressive :-) |
| 19:14.20 | TimRiker | http://pastebin.ca/5219 <- hehe. pastebin does not appear to like utf8 pastes. |
| 19:15.12 | ruskie | hmm that's what my terminal is doing lately for utf-8 chars... :'( |
| 19:17.00 | TimRiker | http://paste.husk.org/paste <- that one worked |
| 19:17.21 | TimRiker | er http://paste.husk.org/2580 |
| 19:17.25 | Legoguy_ | trepan_away: can I have horizontal teleporters that you have to fall through? |
| 19:18.02 | t-s | Still no one knows how to access the info whether player has killed himself inside "GuidedMissleStrategy.cxx"? If there is no smart way I will try hacking it |
| 19:18.08 | TimRiker | Legoguy_: because you have not writtent he code yet. |
| 19:19.13 | Legoguy_ | say what? i'm no C++ programmer :( |
| 19:19.23 | ruskie | :)) |
| 19:20.44 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy_, that is a nice way of saying ,'no' |
| 19:20.57 | JeffM2501 | well 'no.. but if you want to do it have at it' |
| 19:24.47 | bryjen | t-s: where in GuidedMissleStrategy.cxx ? |
| 19:26.44 | t-s | GuidedMissileStrategy::checkHit |
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| 19:27.56 | Bagheera | ~x en jp grumble |
| 19:28.12 | ruskie | whoa... I see jp signs... |
| 19:28.30 | bryjen | if tank->getId() == getPath().getPlayer() { this tank fired the shot } |
| 19:31.52 | t-s | bryjen: Wow, I thought it would be much harder |
| 19:41.42 | t-s | ~bryjen++ |
| 19:41.51 | cods | how is computed the normal at a given point of a face for smoothbounce ? it's the "average"(weight? not sure of the term here?) of the 3 normals in the corresponding triangle ? |
| 19:46.26 | jpa_ | umm |
| 19:46.38 | jpa_ | i think for arc, it is from the middle point |
| 19:47.05 | jpa_ | or is smoothbounce for meshes, too? |
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| 19:47.23 | sussudio | err. bzflag 2 just froze on me on ducati and then exited |
| 19:47.41 | jpa_ | have you removed your config files after updating? |
| 19:48.51 | sussudio | huh? |
| 19:49.12 | sussudio | it creates a whole new one, why would i have to remove anything? |
| 19:49.54 | cods | jpa_: I mean for general case. For a given face with normals, how is computed the normal at one point on this face. Well, I can check source code.. |
| 19:59.07 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6654 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (Box.py Object.py Pyramid.py World.py): assign materials to faces |
| 20:06.25 | Bagheera | when life gets really wierd http://www.newsnet5.com/news/4160551/detail.html |
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| 20:11.07 | bryjen | Exit Only. Do Not Enter. |
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| 20:40.13 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (GameKeeper.cxx GameKeeper.h bzfs.cxx commands.cxx): Fixes for hostban? |
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| 20:49.35 | Tupone | bryjen: any chance to test my changes? |
| 20:59.51 | bryjen | changes? |
| 21:00.04 | Noodleman | !weather krdm |
| 21:00.08 | guu | Noodleman: The current temperature in Roberts, Oregon is 63°F (12:56 PM PST on February 03, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 29°F. Wind: SSE at 8 mph (13 km/h). Pressure: 30.25 in (1024 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 3 out of 12 |
| 21:00.11 | Noodleman | w00t!! |
| 21:00.38 | Noodleman | that smashes the record temp of 61F from 1960 |
| 21:00.52 | Birdie | krdm = roberts? how do you know that |
| 21:01.09 | Noodleman | that's actually roberts field, redmond, oregon |
| 21:01.10 | bryjen | !help weather |
| 21:01.11 | guu | bryjen: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city. |
| 21:01.28 | Birdie | !weather Belgium |
| 21:01.41 | Birdie | so not like that:) |
| 21:01.42 | Noodleman | !weather brussels, belgium |
| 21:01.43 | guu | Noodleman: The current temperature in Brussels, Belgium is 45°F (9:20 PM CET on February 03, 2005). Conditions: Light Drizzle Mist. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 43°F. Pressure: 30.54 in (1034 hPa). Visibility: 3.1 miles (5.0 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 21:01.54 | Birdie | oh |
| 21:01.55 | Birdie | thx |
| 21:02.15 | Birdie | he will only know brussels propably? |
| 21:02.18 | Birdie | * she |
| 21:02.28 | Noodleman | !weather antwerp, belgium |
| 21:02.31 | guu | Noodleman: The current temperature in Antwerp, Belgium is 45°F (9:20 PM CET on February 03, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 43°F. Pressure: 30.57 in (1035 hPa). Visibility: 7.0 miles (10.0 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 12 |
| 21:02.51 | Noodleman | guess not |
| 21:03.21 | bryjen | not much difference from brussels to antwerp |
| 21:03.21 | Noodleman | where are you at? |
| 21:03.41 | Noodleman | belgium isn't a big country either :-) |
| 21:03.44 | Birdie | 45 min with train from brussels |
| 21:03.48 | Birdie | lol i know that:( |
| 21:03.58 | Birdie | between the coat and brussels, in the middle |
| 21:04.00 | Birdie | something like that |
| 21:04.55 | Noodleman | i wish the US would do real public transport like european countries do |
| 21:05.07 | Birdie | they dont? |
| 21:05.12 | Noodleman | not really |
| 21:05.25 | bryjen | no, everyone owns a car. |
| 21:05.34 | Noodleman | when they do, it's done by the city |
| 21:05.45 | Noodleman | and it's hard to get the city to do it right |
| 21:05.53 | bryjen | well. its expected that everyone has a car. |
| 21:06.01 | Noodleman | well, i don't own i car :-) |
| 21:06.09 | Noodleman | i either hoof it, or ride my bicycle |
| 21:06.11 | bryjen | a generalization on ourselves |
| 21:06.15 | Birdie | most people have a car here to though, but if you want you can get everywhere with bus / train |
| 21:06.37 | Noodleman | Birdie: the US is stupid, just trust me :-P |
| 21:07.51 | Noodleman | but if you tell that to a stupid american, he will argue the point to no end like a totally self-righteous idiot |
| 21:08.08 | Noodleman | ok, /me gets off his soapbox and goes back to work |
| 21:08.12 | bryjen | larger cities do it better. most places you're on your own |
| 21:08.38 | Birdie | i dont like really big cities though |
| 21:08.55 | Birdie | i went on several places in my life,but where its soooo busy 24hour/24 |
| 21:08.57 | Birdie | i dont like that |
| 21:09.15 | Birdie | thats why i'm good that i live here in my litlle belgium |
| 21:10.01 | bryjen | ack. cvs merge conflicts. i guess sgk or someone commited for the hostban code? |
| 21:14.02 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, find any source yet? ;) |
| 21:14.09 | Nidhoggr | 13:40 < CIA-3> BZFlag: atupone * bzflag/src/bzfs/ (GameKeeper.cxx GameKeeper.h |
| 21:14.09 | Nidhoggr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.57 | bryjen | ah, is that what you were asking about, Tupone,? |
| 21:15.42 | Tupone | yeah |
| 21:15.56 | bryjen | compiling now |
| 21:19.08 | CIA-3 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r6655 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/ (Material.py Object.py Reader.py Types.py): stub out a Material class |
| 21:27.01 | *** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@dialup-4.159.47.153.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net) |
| 21:27.09 | bryjen | Nidhoggr: can you join bryjen.bzflag.org:5154 ? |
| 21:29.59 | bryjen | hmm, i'm not getting "Pattern Added" confirmation |
| 21:30.02 | Nidhoggr | bryjen: give me a few moments. |
| 21:30.29 | bryjen | did you see that, sussudio ? |
| 21:31.29 | sussudio | bryjen: server forced a disconnect |
| 21:32.07 | sussudio | Looking at Pumpernickel (Purple Team) with Oscillation Overthruster |
| 21:32.07 | sussudio | Server forced a disconnect |
| 21:33.07 | bryjen | Ok. I think I see where it's missing. |
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| 21:38.24 | bryjen | there was no success message for adding a hostban, just a warning if there was no ADNS |
| 21:39.22 | Tupone | I know, the hostban is the successfull or not? |
| 21:40.43 | bryjen | Nidhoggr, did it work? |
| 21:40.54 | Nidhoggr | I was banned i think |
| 21:41.45 | Tupone | Nidhoggr: is this ok or not? |
| 21:42.07 | bryjen | *.bzflag.bz is banned, but Nidhoggr has antiban permission |
| 21:42.19 | Tupone | ah ok |
| 21:42.38 | bryjen | it should let him avoid the ban |
| 21:42.43 | Tupone | ban logic is only in doStuffOnPlayer |
| 21:43.29 | Nidhoggr | it let me on then booted me. |
| 21:43.52 | Nidhoggr | afk for a few minutes. |
| 21:44.51 | Tupone | You haven't lost antiBan in the mean time? |
| 21:45.41 | Nidhoggr | I don't know what method was used to antiban me. |
| 21:45.48 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:45.49 | bryjen | http://pastebin.ca/5240 |
| 21:45.57 | Tupone | I suppose is in the database |
| 21:46.45 | Nidhoggr | how did you do antiban, bryjen ? |
| 21:47.45 | bryjen | group bryjen.oper has it, and you're in that group on the forum |
| 21:48.05 | Nidhoggr | aah |
| 21:48.06 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 21:48.15 | Nidhoggr | did my global stuff go through ok? |
| 21:48.17 | Nidhoggr | bbiaf. |
| 21:48.27 | Tupone | But if listserver does not says it at the good time ... |
| 21:48.48 | Tupone | Does not work this way |
| 21:49.14 | Tupone | I suppose should be a local things, so not a group, but a nick shoud work |
| 21:49.53 | *** part/#bzflag |zongo| (~zongo@80-218-159-180.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 21:49.55 | Tupone | I don't really know when group are said to bzfs |
| 21:49.59 | bryjen | i'm only using -groupdb, no -userdb |
| 21:50.43 | Tupone | can you add it |
| 21:51.07 | Tupone | because nick is know at enter. Group is know after listserver talks |
| 21:51.34 | Tupone | I think we should fix the whole thing. I see some bug there, or imperfection |
| 21:52.17 | Tupone | Probably delaying the client until the listserver have talked |
| 21:53.02 | blast007 | Tupone: but then if the list server goes down... |
| 21:53.13 | Tupone | you 'll have a degraded mode |
| 21:53.45 | Tupone | just wait for some time. If that times has gone, use local info |
| 21:54.11 | Tupone | without any global authntication |
| 21:54.40 | Chestal | what's the point of the antiban stuff? Not needing to restart server if one of my admins goes berserk? |
| 21:55.09 | blast007 | Chestal: certain players can get around a ban, like for white listing |
| 21:55.17 | Tupone | antiban is cause they want to ban a whole range of ip address/domain. But some admin are in that area |
| 21:55.28 | bryjen | Chestal: being able to ban *.texas.us to stop 1 assclown, while still letting registered players from texas in |
| 21:55.38 | Chestal | hmm, but a ban still works at join time AFAIK? |
| 21:55.45 | sussudio | s/*.texas.us/*.aol.com/ |
| 21:55.48 | Chestal | IP based bans at least |
| 21:55.50 | Tupone | me moved at enter |
| 21:56.10 | Tupone | so at least the nick is known |
| 21:56.14 | bryjen | Chestal: that's the problem. needs to be after user verification somehow |
| 21:56.59 | Tupone | s/me/we/ |
| 21:57.07 | Nidhoggr | bryjen: it's possible that the double IP on that machine made it so that my global login failed. |
| 21:57.15 | Nidhoggr | let me try from my desktop |
| 21:57.21 | Nidhoggr | err laptop |
| 21:57.23 | bryjen | before it was on accept of the ip connection. sgk tried moving it to addPlayer, but ADNS doesn't complete resolving in time. |
| 21:57.26 | Tupone | Nidhoggr: I know is the group things |
| 21:58.05 | Tupone | We know only the nick at that time |
| 21:58.38 | bryjen | s/doesn't/does not always/ |
| 21:58.41 | Chestal | well, so we have to asynchronous events, we don't know which si first (ADNS and lsit serv) |
| 21:58.52 | blast007 | how about a player joins, and it says "Please wait for user verification", and they can't spawn or talk until that is done |
| 21:59.01 | Nidhoggr | I didn't get validated with global users the last time. |
| 21:59.24 | blast007 | then when it's done, it does all the other stuff, like kick a banned player, etc, or it let's them talk and spawn |
| 21:59.29 | Tupone | yeah, that is what I thinked for delaying a client |
| 21:59.47 | Chestal | somethign similar can be done already by removing spawn perm from everyone group |
| 22:00.32 | Chestal | uh, have to go, cu! |
| 22:00.33 | bryjen | Nidhoggr: one more time |
| 22:00.33 | Tupone | Nidhoggr: I think now hostban works, Group unban on join does not, and there is some problem with the current design to let it work |
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| 22:03.38 | Nidhoggr | broked |
| 22:04.05 | Tupone | bryjen: -userdb? |
| 22:04.18 | bryjen | you can't rely on info from the forum for antiban. it worked with the userdb |
| 22:04.30 | Tupone | the listserver is late |
| 22:04.51 | rabbit | hi! |
| 22:04.58 | Tupone | listserver answer is arriving after banning :) |
| 22:04.59 | blast007 | rabbit: hello |
| 22:05.18 | Nidhoggr | if there was a way for the server to query the listserver frequently for members of the antiban group, and keep a local copy, that might work. |
| 22:06.08 | Tupone | you have to get a copy of all users :( |
| 22:06.12 | bryjen | player info needs a flag to show if listserver has already answered and group info is known. bans would ignore players without that set |
| 22:06.33 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 22:06.39 | Nidhoggr | like caching group info locally |
| 22:06.44 | Tupone | so a banned player can play when listserver is down ? |
| 22:07.16 | bryjen | hrm. |
| 22:08.12 | bryjen | or a result of "list server error" is still a answer (a bad one :( ) that goes ahead and sets the flag |
| 22:08.39 | bryjen | then anitBan doesn't work when the listserver is down |
| 22:09.12 | Nidhoggr | then maybe we need to go back to another way of getting around the ban, like a whitelisted IP file. |
| 22:09.20 | rabbit | hi! |
| 22:09.25 | Nidhoggr | hello rabbit |
| 22:09.27 | rabbit | 100804hi |
| 22:09.38 | Nidhoggr | colors are frowned upon |
| 22:09.47 | Tupone | IP sometimes are natted even with big provider |
| 22:10.27 | Nidhoggr | can listserver antiban work without changing protocol? |
| 22:10.30 | Tupone | I'd put player on the userdb with antiban and requireIdentify |
| 22:11.00 | Nidhoggr | can we make a person invisible on the server, and unable to talk, etc., until the global auth either fails or suceeds? |
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| 22:11.30 | Nidhoggr | if there is not global auth attempt, it just proceeds to check the banfile, etc., and boot. |
| 22:11.43 | blast007 | Nidhoggr: that was my initial thought, cuz then they would know the connection was successful, but that it was waiting for authentication |
| 22:12.26 | Tupone | Nidhoggr: do you wanna this for 2.0.2 :) |
| 22:12.35 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 22:12.47 | Tupone | I'd go for userdb and fix that at 2.0.4 |
| 22:13.26 | Tupone | Now there is hostban, ip ban, and whitelistening with userdb |
| 22:13.52 | retro | Nid, some of us have been seeming GM kill ourselves with the gmdelay set to 0.3. HW had a suggestion that instead of delaying GM activation, the tank speed should initially be added to the GM speed, and then it quickly decays to normal GM speed. |
| 22:13.59 | retro | comments? |
| 22:14.26 | retro | I guess if you're moving backward, the GM speed would increase to normal, not decay. :) |
| 22:15.05 | Tupone | Seems reasonable. 2.2.0 :) |
| 22:15.17 | Nidhoggr | retro: it's a known bug. I have mentioned it many times, but, frankly, there are a few other priorities before I can lean on it. |
| 22:15.25 | retro | heh. I don't know if GM changing speeds would be a major pain to implement in the code. |
| 22:16.08 | retro | oh sure, I'm not pressing for a quick fix. I just wanted to make sure HW's suggestion was heard somewhere where knowledgable people would hear it. |
| 22:16.59 | bryjen | someone is working on adding a self-kill delay to GM, that may help |
| 22:17.25 | bryjen | s/adding/adding back/ as it was there before |
| 22:17.43 | bryjen | still haven't heard why it was changed. BRLCAD? |
| 22:17.46 | retro | I'm actually having a hard time imagining when a GM should _EVER_ kill you? Maybe if you shoot a wall |
| 22:17.50 | retro | right in front of you? |
| 22:18.00 | bryjen | GM doesn't rico |
| 22:18.18 | retro | right, but if the explosion goes off, and you're near, maybe you should die. |
| 22:18.49 | bryjen | it's a bug somewhere. someone was speculating it happens mostly a very low frame rates |
| 22:19.15 | retro | yeah, I'm only getting 'bout 15 fps (maybe less when firing GM). I've been too busy to install my new radeon 9800. :( |
| 22:19.17 | blast007 | retro: the bug only occurs on crappy video cards ;) |
| 22:19.40 | retro | OK, I've now got incentive to get my 9800 in this weekend. |
| 22:19.45 | blast007 | :) |
| 22:20.06 | bryjen | if you up the GM's turn rate, you can shoot it in a circle, in which case it should be able to kill you ;) |
| 22:20.16 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:20.40 | retro | is the GM turn rate a settable variable in the server? |
| 22:20.46 | blast007 | yup |
| 22:20.58 | bryjen | so be careful locking on to a PZ, as he can just drive into you.... |
| 22:22.05 | retro | hrm, I really need to setup a server hear at work and start some tourneys. Then I'll change all the vars and really screw with my co-workers. :) |
| 22:23.21 | retro | was it frustratingly slow, or different and fun? |
| 22:23.36 | blast007 | it was fun for a while |
| 22:23.41 | sussudio | blast007: or you could just use a vanta tnt2 videocard |
| 22:23.46 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:24.01 | retro | The old Cinematronics Spacewar arcade machine had a slow mode. It was actually quite fun. You really had to plan ahead, as dodging was not really an option. |
| 22:24.02 | blast007 | or an 8MB Savage ;) |
| 22:24.18 | sussudio | !kill savage |
| 22:24.19 | guu | sussudio: are you 10? |
| 22:24.31 | sussudio | be quiet bot |
| 22:24.31 | retro | I need to remove the pile of junk in front of my spacewar machine and play it again.... |
| 22:25.03 | sussudio | bloody s3 savage card >:-| |
| 22:27.51 | Nidhoggr | what did you do that deserves the pink slip? |
| 22:27.52 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:28.05 | Nidhoggr | you can't do a 10th as bad as one of my customers today. |
| 22:28.14 | SportyGal | what did your customer do? |
| 22:28.37 | Nidhoggr | his machine is a wide open relay for email. |
| 22:28.42 | Nidhoggr | or was. |
| 22:28.48 | Nidhoggr | until I beat it with a stick |
| 22:29.04 | Nidhoggr | now I wanna beat customer with a stick. :) |
| 22:29.46 | Nidhoggr | well, it wasted abour 4 hours of my day so far. |
| 22:32.27 | Nidhoggr | I never see the settings, since I hardly get to play. |
| 22:32.37 | Nidhoggr | although, they need a /defaults command |
| 22:33.10 | Nidhoggr | as long as you remember what you changed and change it back :) |
| 22:33.22 | blast007 | /reset * |
| 22:33.35 | Nidhoggr | is that with 2.0, or the new stuff in HEAD? |
| 22:33.41 | blast007 | I think 1.10 has that too |
| 22:33.42 | SportyGal | I always change it back before I leave (and if I forget, I usually have someone ping me to come change it) |
| 22:33.48 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 22:33.50 | retro | really? Are those compiled in defaults, or back to the settings the server started with? |
| 22:34.03 | blast007 | I think compiled defaults |
| 22:34.04 | Nidhoggr | hopefully the ones the server started with. |
| 22:34.06 | Nidhoggr | aah |
| 22:34.09 | blast007 | haven't really checked though |
| 22:34.11 | Nidhoggr | cuz I have a conf/vars file. |
| 22:34.16 | Nidhoggr | and a -vars line |
| 22:34.31 | retro | hrm, perhaps a /defaults command needs to be added. So much to do, so little time. :) |
| 22:34.59 | retro | I also hope to find time this weekend to port my code from 1.10.8 that added autokick limits for jitter and ooo/lost packets to the 2.0 server. |
| 22:35.10 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 22:35.46 | sgk284 | bryjen, ping |
| 22:35.54 | retro | I've spent most of yesterday and today fixing bugs in the make system for etherboot. We're starting to use it at work, and it has a few small build issues. :( |
| 22:35.55 | Nidhoggr | I'm out of town tomorrow, so I want to recompile and get changes in place before then. not sure if it's feasable. |
| 22:36.08 | retro | good idea! Change everything and leave! |
| 22:36.10 | retro | :) |
| 22:36.13 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:36.19 | Nidhoggr | that's the plan ;) |
| 22:36.33 | retro | Leave Sporty in charge. |
| 22:36.54 | Nidhoggr | I'm trying to get sudo to allow admins to log in and restart the server, etc. |
| 22:37.01 | sgk284 | any devs around for a quick question? |
| 22:37.27 | retro | That should be doable. |
| 22:37.29 | SportyGal | retro: now you're REALLY asking for trouble |
| 22:37.33 | sgk284 | nid, sudo not working out? |
| 22:38.00 | retro | SportyGal, punish me tonight in the arena. :) |
| 22:38.03 | Nidhoggr | I have to figure out what permissions to give people for chroot and some scripts. It's a matter of spending time on it. |
| 22:38.06 | Nidhoggr | bbiaf. |
| 22:38.43 | retro | SportyGal, I checked out oceans after you mentioned it. Fun place. :) |
| 22:39.16 | SportyGal | oh yea, you'll have so much snow you can't see and white sky and white mirror |
| 22:39.20 | retro | then we'll be on equal footing, as it's all new to you too. Remember, I _ASKED_ for most of those changes last night. |
| 22:39.25 | SportyGal | heheh |
| 22:43.23 | blast007 | looks like the /reset * does use compiled defaults, as defined in src/common/global.cxx |
| 22:43.40 | blast007 | they get set even before the command line paramaters are parsed |
| 22:43.54 | orchid | !debian version bzflag woody |
| 22:43.55 | guu | orchid: No package found for bzflag woody (all) |
| 22:44.03 | orchid | !debian version bzflag |
| 22:44.12 | guu | orchid: 6 matches found: bzflag (stable: 1.7e4); bzflag (testing: 2.0.0.20050118); bzflag (unstable: 2.0.0.20050118); bzflag-server (stable: 1.7e4); bzflag-server (testing: 2.0.0.20050118); bzflag-server (unstable: 2.0.0.20050118) |
| 22:47.05 | SportyGal | Nidhoggr: how long you gonna be out of town? |
| 22:49.09 | Nidhoggr | until the evening. |
| 22:49.18 | Nidhoggr | we are going to tucson for the day. |
| 22:49.33 | Nidhoggr | will be reachable by phone and email to my phone/pager (cjmandrake@tmail.com) |
| 22:50.37 | Nidhoggr | if you don't still have my cell number /msg me and I will give it to you. :) |
| 22:50.43 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
| 22:51.09 | SportyGal | finally gonna make it to tucson, eh? |
| 22:51.16 | SportyGal | say hi to my cousins and grandpa while you are there |
| 22:51.19 | SportyGal | ;) |
| 22:51.21 | Nidhoggr | we went last weekend to the gem and mineral show. |
| 22:51.22 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:51.26 | Nidhoggr | and we are going back. |
| 22:51.32 | SportyGal | oh, you DID make it - I thought your friends bailed |
| 22:51.34 | Nidhoggr | I bought a bunch of beads last weekend. |
| 22:51.40 | Nidhoggr | we went sunday |
| 22:51.49 | Nidhoggr | they made up for saturday |
| 22:51.50 | SportyGal | how're your auctions doing? |
| 22:51.56 | Nidhoggr | sold 1 so far. |
| 22:52.03 | SportyGal | cool |
| 22:52.05 | SportyGal | buy it now? |
| 22:52.07 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 22:52.09 | SportyGal | or ongong? |
| 22:52.12 | SportyGal | hehe |
| 22:52.16 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:52.27 | SportyGal | pretty funny when you can spell but not type |
| 22:52.38 | Nidhoggr | I know that feelign well |
| 22:52.43 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 22:52.58 | SportyGal | hehe |
| 22:53.09 | SportyGal | ~nidhoggr++ |
| 23:01.15 | retro | Nidhoggr, so you've got a sidekick huh? Did the planned 6 hour server upgrade last weekend take 48 hours for you too? |
| 23:03.20 | Nidhoggr | retro: I am still having problems with web stuff. |
| 23:03.21 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 23:03.52 | retro | hrm. that bites. It has gotten much better for me. I run with pictures turned off usually. Perhaps you should try that. |
| 23:04.04 | Nidhoggr | I can't even get a page. |
| 23:04.12 | Nidhoggr | well, I haven't tried yet this afternoon. |
| 23:04.22 | Nidhoggr | our ticket system binary was hacked to work with the SK :) |
| 23:04.49 | retro | I had to turn wireless off and then back on at one point to make things work. Try that too. |
| 23:05.01 | Nidhoggr | ok. |
| 23:05.05 | Nidhoggr | I can even reboot it. |
| 23:05.08 | Nidhoggr | no biggie. |
| 23:05.39 | retro | Oh yeah, I think I remember seeing a webpage of yours a while back with a picture of your sidekick running something you'd hacked up. |
| 23:05.48 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 23:05.56 | Nidhoggr | I was using bzadmin in a ssh shell |
| 23:05.58 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:06.05 | retro | Oh yeah, that was it. :) |
| 23:06.52 | sussudio | bring your tomato to the slaughter at ducati |
| 23:07.21 | Nidhoggr | I should check it out on new bzadmin soon |
| 23:11.14 | *** join/#bzflag bz3334 (~18e7b876@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:11.30 | bz3334 | hey everyone...can someone tell me where to find the server code for bzflag? |
| 23:11.51 | blast007 | it comes with the bzflag source distribution |
| 23:12.04 | bz3334 | is there a "standalone" version? |
| 23:12.20 | retro | just download the src package. It's not that big... |
| 23:12.29 | bz3334 | alright thanks |
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| 23:19.50 | retro | Nidhoggr, I just tried to load a web page on my SK II, and it couldn't. So, I turned off wireless, and then back on, and it's working fine now. |
| 23:20.11 | retro | I sure wish they could remotely tell my SK when it needs to restart wireless services... |
| 23:21.13 | Nidhoggr | cool |
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| 23:35.07 | SportyGal | I missed the answer this morning - what was the deal with annihilator - he could spawn but not jump or move? someone is on sp right now who has the same problem |
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| 23:45.46 | DBlue | hi tim riker you here? |
| 23:47.48 | DBlue | wanted to say your game is a big hit even with us.no blood. no human blooshed, very cool |
| 23:49.36 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:49.39 | DBlue | i represent ULC church, modesto calif, i say your game is okay, i might have some colleges say elsewise but not so far |
| 23:50.37 | DBlue | so i give you software game BZFLAG 99% okay rating |
| 23:52.36 | DBlue | i congradulate you on JOB well done!!!!!!!! very addictive gane, very graphic and sounds are cool too@!we havent seen 2,0 yet........... looking forward to it |
| 23:53.37 | DBlue | on behalf of ULC, i give you KUDOS! handshakes!! very well done! |
| 23:54.23 | DBlue | this is from me, REV. Roger D. King, D.D. |
| 23:55.13 | DBlue | good game not like sick games like GTA |
| 23:57.56 | DBlue | u did good game, and all can play, exceptione are ones that use profrainty which is so far 1 outta 99, not bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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