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00:00.33Blademonitors right?
00:00.40blast007yeah
00:01.02Bladeok
00:02.09blast007I've never run BZFlag dual head, so I'm not sure if it works (though, I have barely run the game in Linux at all)
00:02.26BladeI'm just trying to get it to run on one screen
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00:02.49DTRemenakBlade, which half do you see?
00:03.29DTRemenakand is half the screen black, or do you only see what looks like half the display, filling up the entire screen?
00:04.07Bladeok...i see the left half of the screen with Join G, Optio, Help and Quit
00:04.30Bladeand i see all that in the monitor i'm trying to run it in
00:04.44DinkerbellBlade, would it help if I ran over to your place and helped?
00:04.50Bladesure
00:04.55bryjenand this fills one monitor?
00:04.59Bladeyes
00:05.03Blademy main one
00:05.11Bladeor whichever one i open up the game in
00:05.26Bladeit does the same in my secondary monitor as well
00:05.52DTRemenakwhat's the output of "cat ~/.bzf/2.0/config.cfg | grep resolution"?
00:06.02bryjenyou could try starting it in windowed mode and just making the window fit the one monitor
00:06.40Bladehow do i start in a windowed mode?  and do i type that output thing in the command prompt?
00:06.53DTRemenakyeah, type that thing in the command prompt
00:07.01DTRemenakto start in window mode run bzflag -window
00:07.17Bladeok...the resolution is 2048x768..the same as i'm running in linux
00:07.22DTRemenakahh, ok
00:07.31DTRemenaktype "bzflag -geometry 1024x768"
00:08.01Bladeok that filled up both monitors
00:08.07Bladehowever...my secondary was completely black
00:08.08DTRemenakheh
00:08.18Bladeand my main one still had half showing
00:08.29blast007hmm
00:08.38Bladethe window thing works though
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00:17.22Bladeany ideas?
00:19.08DTRemenakyour X setup is not very friendly to bzflag.  bzflag doesn't know you have two monitors, it thinks you have one with a very wide resolution.
00:19.26DTRemenakrunning it in a window is about the only option if you only want to use one monitor.
00:19.36Bladeok
00:19.44brlcadhow about them Bears?
00:20.06Bladewell thank you for the help
00:20.28DinkerbellDTR, is there any plans to bind the mouse to the one monitor in windows, or  doe it depend on someone sending in a patch?
00:21.04DTRemenakBlade, no problem.  sorry we couldn't be more help
00:21.11Bladeit's all good
00:21.24Bladeat least i can run it in a window
00:21.35Bladewhich means i can play
00:21.37Bladewhich is good
00:21.38Bladesee ya
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00:22.05DTRemenakDinkerbell, it's not a very easy/clean thing to do, windows doesn't really like it.  A patch which does it reasonably neatly would be accepted, but would probably be a good deal of effort to write.
00:23.56DinkerbellI was afraid of that, thanks anyway tho
00:24.12DTRemenakthat said, it might happen someday :)
00:24.22DinkerbellOh jolly good show. :0
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01:16.53Grumbleranybody want to buy my old tv....cheap....well, $800 cheap......36", Sony XBR 2001 new........hahaha
01:18.03PizbitNZ$ and free shipping, surrrre:)
01:22.05Grumblerheh
01:22.23Grumbler@~250lbs, shipping might be an issue
01:22.35PizbitMy terms or not at all. :D
01:27.29Grumblerha
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01:33.12Grumblerok, if you pick up shipping, i will throw in the stand and a sony dvd player......
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02:07.44yertmanHello
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02:34.26yertmanWhy is no one talking here?
02:35.31DTRemenakwhy should anyone?
02:36.09yertmanWell it just seem like a lot of people are on the channel and I was suprized no one was talking.
02:36.46yertmanAlso I am using a new IRC client and I was not sure it was working properly.
02:36.56yertmanGuess it is... Thanks.
02:36.59blast007;)
02:37.06DTRemenakheh :)
02:45.55yertmanI am trying to compile bzflag on my SuSE 9.1 system.
02:46.13yertmanI am getting the message "no curses" from configure
02:46.28yertmanI have ncurses and ncurses devel installed.
02:46.48yertmanI can't find anything just called curses.
02:46.52yertmanAny ideas?
02:47.28blast007there are several "curses" libraries, ncurses being one of them
02:48.09blast007so that should be all it needs, but it must not be looking in the right spot
02:49.31yertmanIf I figure out where the ncurses lib is hiding, would I then make a change to the configure script to fix it?
02:50.12blast007I personally have yet to compile on linux, so I won't be of much help in that regard
02:50.41yertmanOkay. Thanks anyhow. I will keep fiddling.
02:51.32yertmanHmm. It appears that libncurses is under /lib
02:51.40yertmanDoesn't seem like that would be real hard to find.
02:52.06blast007hmm, wonder if that's just the runtime lib
02:52.33yertmanhow do you tell the difference?
02:53.00blast007the lib is probably some header files
02:53.04blast007dev lib*
02:53.33blast007ex: I have a header here: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-slackware-linux/3.2.3/include/ncurses/curses.h
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02:58.59yertmanOdd. It seems happy now.
02:59.52yertmanI installed the Xfree86 mesa devel package and that seems to have fixed it.
03:00.10yertmanIf never complained about missing that just complained about no curses.
03:00.21yertmanI will let you know how make and make install do!!
03:00.38blast007k  :)
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03:37.35yertmanYeah! It's working!
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03:42.49Sir_Lance-A-Lotwhats the command to check to see if a server is running
03:43.33blast007ps aux
03:46.08Sir_Lance-A-Lotfor a BZ server - isnt it something like bzquery?
03:46.24blast007oh, ibot's command?
03:46.27Sir_Lance-A-Lotyep
03:46.38blast007it's ~bzfquery server:port
03:46.45Sir_Lance-A-Lotoh
03:47.01Sir_Lance-A-Lot~bzfquery camelot.myvnc.com:5154
03:47.44Grumblerwouldnt that be ps -aux
03:47.46Grumbleror on some systems....  ps -AF
03:48.12blast007Grumbler: ps aux works on my slackware box
03:48.57Grumbleryour just a slacker....i understand ;)
03:49.09blast007;)
03:56.07yertmananyone know where the default bzfs.conf file would be located on a linux system?
03:57.12DTRemenakit's not installed by default.  it's in the misc/ directory of the source distribution
03:57.13blast007if you have the source, I think it's in the misc/ directory
03:57.21blast007heh
03:57.22DTRemenakhah, beatcha this time :)_
03:57.30blast007yup  ;)
03:57.34yertman:) Thanks Ill check.
03:58.21eptest
03:58.28yertmanThere is is. Thank you!
03:58.29blast007Test failed
03:58.37blast007;)
03:59.23yertmannow distracted by multilingual swear list ;)
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04:25.34yertmanThanks for your help!!!!
04:25.39yertmanGood night.
04:25.43blast007g'night  :)
04:25.50yertman:)
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06:21.52jomojothere should be a way to allow admins to rejoin automatically... and still keep the other players for rejoining for a set period of time
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06:24.56trepanjomojo: it would be easy enough to add yet another permission to do that
06:25.13Silver1strange, I got an email that http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=28846#28846 was updated, but it doesn't exist.
06:25.54jomojotrepan: seems reasonable.. admins are more likely to join the other team to balance the sides up.. and much less likely to rejoin for cheating purposes
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06:28.58sgk284anyone have anything against the server ignoring max players if an admin tries to sign on?
06:29.19sgk284i.e. if the server is full, an admin cant get on, this would just ignore the fact that the server is full
06:29.40sgk284almost happened at secretplace the last time bzflag was slashdotted
06:30.08SilverFoxsgk284, that's a pretty good idea actually.
06:30.53sgk284k
06:30.54DTRemenaksgk284: might want to force them to observer if they're joining when all teams are full
06:31.03sgk284okay
06:31.10DTRemenakbut yeah, they should probably be able to join
06:32.07sgk284yea, that wasnt really possible without global auth, but now its pretty easy to implement
06:32.14sgk284~globalAuthentication++
06:32.15DTRemenakyup
06:32.18sgk284:)
06:32.24trepanyou need to reserver some slots
06:32.43trepanmake the lists dynamic, or max them
06:32.50sgk284trepan, okay
06:33.47SilverFoxsgk284, while you're at it, how about an exemption for admins regarding the rejoinTime ?
06:34.15SilverFox!ping
06:34.33trepanbzfs.cxx/2266 for the rejoin, REJOIN perm?
06:34.55SilverFoxtrepan, are you saying its already there?  Or suggesting how to do it?
06:35.00trepanthe latter
06:35.05sgk284ahh okay
06:39.46sgk284trepan, as far as the bzw format goes, think itd be possible ( or perhaps "smart" would be a better term) to add some kind of include statement for other 3d formats like .obj, etc... Instead of converting the meshes to bzw format, just have like "include teapot.obj" and have the client due the parsing natively?
06:40.19trepan"import" was talked about
06:40.23sgk284k
06:40.50sgk284i think it'd work out better then writing a whole bunch of 3d covertering utils
06:41.05sgk284and keep the map kiddies a little happier ;)
06:41.35trepansgk284: you may be forgetting the no other 3D format has all of the features specific to bzflag that the bzw format does
06:42.00Pimpidoes loading a "cached" bz world via http curl buildin?
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06:42.12sgk284trepan, like physics?
06:42.26trepanthat would be one of them
06:42.43sgk284i figured anything like that could be thrown in as a comment, don't most 3d formats have a place for comments or general info like the author etc...
06:42.44trepanyou could put it in comments in the .obj file
06:42.47sgk284yea
06:42.49sgk284:)
06:43.13trepanbut the converter is already written
06:43.29trepanand purple_cow is doing the full-meal-deal with blender from the looks of it
06:43.37sgk284oh okay
06:43.40purple_cowshh
06:43.42trepanteleporters, etc...
06:43.46sgk284heh
06:43.47sgk284nice
06:49.06Nidhoggrit looks like I'll put up a few new servers... like a quiddich match one on dragon with lots of wings.
06:49.20Nidhoggrctf
06:50.21Nidhoggrdrop flaps on secretplace to just enough to get to the top level
06:50.26Nidhoggrand turn off inertia
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06:51.08sgk284Nidhoggr, good idea:)
06:51.14sgk284sure you have the bandwidth? :)
06:51.19Nidhoggryep
06:51.42Nidhoggrctf is kinda strange in that it goes in spurts.
06:51.49Nidhoggrlots of players then none.
06:51.49sgk284heh yea
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06:57.51t3hl33twhere do I find a server address to join a game?
06:58.03JeffM2501run the game and hit the find server item
06:58.44sgk284t3hl33t?
06:58.54sgk284JeffM2501, nice story btw
06:59.11JeffM2501thanks, DTR editied it
06:59.16JeffM2501I need to update and repost
07:00.01sgk284just one quick question... if the initial probe was sent through the singularity, and was 54 light years away, wouldnt it take at least 54 years before they detected a signal from the probe? :)
07:00.18sgk284unless of course the singularity was left open and the signal was sent through that
07:00.25JeffM2501yes it was left open
07:00.29sgk284k:)
07:00.32JeffM2501the wave came back thru
07:00.39sgk284now i can sleep at night
07:00.41sgk284;)
07:00.43JeffM2501heh
07:00.54JeffM2501it should explain that in the warpgate section later
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10:22.22cristihi all
10:22.30cristiwho want to enter to my server?
10:25.24cristi82.137.26.35:5154 ?
10:25.26cristiok ?
10:25.41cristi~bzfquery 82.137.26.35:5154
10:26.12cristihehe
10:29.32cristi'
10:29.50cristinobody talk ???
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10:42.58cristihi
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11:02.54cristinobody talk ???
11:02.56cristi!!!
11:02.56guucristi: I'm sorry, I was listening to Fatboy Slim.
11:03.12cristik
11:03.48cristihow do you know when someone write a msg ?
11:04.01cristimy IRC client is X-Chat
11:04.10cristiguu???
11:05.12[dmp]cristi: you either write /msg <nameofperson> <message> or /query <nameofperson> or you just click on the name in the list, at your right, and select query
11:05.33[dmp]guu is a robot, not a human :) (same is jbot/ibot)
12:13.36Pimpiif i understanc correctly everythin i have to do to invent a new permission is to add it to PlayerAccessInfo::AcessPerm, is that correct?
12:17.52trepanPimpi: it needs to be in a couple of Permissions.cxx functions too
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12:37.31cristihi all
12:39.05cristinobody talk ???
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12:39.40cristihi
12:39.49cristihi birdie :)
12:40.09Birdiehi
12:40.25cristiyou want to connect to my server ?
12:40.38cristi82.137.26.35 :5154
12:40.42cristiplease :DDD
12:40.45Birdiewill you really ask that 15 times in a day?, if no one answers => its a NO
12:41.22cristibut nobody want to connect :(
12:41.22cristi:(
12:41.25cristi:(
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12:46.49codscristi: can you stop that please ? You will not attract player by this way. You're just annoying by repeating the same message all the time. You can however announce your server on bzflag forums (*one* time) eventually.
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12:47.46codsand stop multiple '?' and '!'. We're not stupid, we understand simple punctuation.
12:50.30Pimpicristi: if you want to test a map or a feature or accessability of your server, we're willing to join (just for testing, not for gameplay)
12:51.23Pimpiif you're searching for players, it's probably no good idea to poke ppl to join
12:52.27Pimpiand of course (just in case you're planning to do so) it's  even a worse idea to advertise it on other servers of course...
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13:04.32bz8983hello
13:04.38bz8983anyone here?
13:04.44bz8983i need some assistance
13:06.07[dmp]bz8983: someone might help you, but it really depends if you are talking about code, setup, bzflag server, league code, ect.. or just chatty
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13:08.10cods~ask
13:08.15ibotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
13:08.31bz8983ok
13:08.35bz8983heres the deal
13:09.00bz8983im running gentoo, recently emerge -uDv world brings the wonders of bzflag 2.0.0 to my machine
13:10.39bz8983which is great, except that I cannot run it as a normal user, only as root.  I though it was a permissions issue, but changing them to 777 doesnt help--i get an error "No fonts found  (the -directory option may help).  Exiting
13:10.41bz8983"
13:11.03bz8983the games runs fine as root, however I do not want to do that obviously--
13:11.09codsremove or renamed your ~/.bzf directory
13:11.11cods-d
13:11.20bz8983oh
13:11.22bz8983ok
13:11.25bz8983brb
13:11.30codsit's because your settings is different between root and regular user.
13:11.54bz8983ya, but i tried a su (without the -) to root and that works
13:12.42codsHOME is updated accordingly, even if - is not used
13:12.49bz8983ok
13:12.51bz8983well that didnt work
13:12.56bz8983still the same error
13:13.20bz8983ops
13:13.21bz8983hold on
13:13.40codsthen try to specify a -directory parameter pointing to bzflag data directory
13:14.01bz8983syntax?
13:14.30codsbzflag -directory /the/full/path/to/bzflag/data/directory
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13:15.29cods(probably /usr/share/games/bzflag/ or something similar)
13:15.48codscheck with 'epm -ql bzflag' (if you've epm installed..)
13:20.00bz8983not doing it
13:20.42bz8983that doesnt do it
13:20.46bz8983for some reason
13:20.50bz8983and i dont know why
13:20.51bz8983hm
13:21.03bz8983would copying the root copy of .bzf work?
13:27.30codsI'm using Gentoo, but don't yet tested 2.0.0 ebuild.. I'm not sure what's wrong in your case.
13:27.51bz8983well ok
13:27.55bz8983thanks for your attempt
13:28.00codsyou could try to run "strace -e open bzflag"
13:28.05bz8983i really dont have time to track it down right now
13:28.07bz8983thats an idea
13:28.08codsto see what files are tested
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13:29.25bz8983ok
13:29.28bz8983maybe ill be back later
13:29.33bz8983i need to get some sleep
13:29.43bz8983emerge -v dreamtime
13:29.45bz8983;)
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13:37.42jpa_cods: does bzmap have class for physic drivers?
13:37.52jpa_so they could be rotated etc.
13:38.15jpa_cods: or, are you implementing it or shall i do it :)
13:38.34codsyes, it's supported.
13:39.05codsfor angular, the center "follow" the object if moved.
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13:39.19jpa_ok..
13:39.31jpa_and for linear, is it rotated?
13:40.01jpa_and how do i use it? i was seeing lots of this "raw" stuff
13:40.35cods'raw' is a hack added in old bzmap, for Thumper need.
13:40.56jpa_oh, so phydrvs are only in some "new" bzmap?
13:41.03jpa_and olympics is not using that yet?
13:41.11codsolympics use the hack
13:41.33jpa_yup.. and transformations do not work with that, i suppose
13:41.40codsnope
13:42.01jpa_how lame :(
13:42.08codswait next bzmap :)
13:42.36jpa_why do i always have to wait? i want to do evil obstacles now :)
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13:43.18codsI hope to finish it in 1 week.
13:44.22jpa_and i'm running out of things easy enough for me to code and yet fun :)
13:51.35jpa_Thumper__: something wrong with olympics server?
13:51.53jpa_~bzfquery bzflag.norang.ca:5154
13:51.59codsprobably pbl with its ISP
13:52.06codss/pbl/probleml
13:52.07codss/pbl/problem/
13:52.22codsor breaking it's network again :)
13:52.31codss/it's/its/.. doh
13:52.44jpa_your english is not good
13:52.53jpa_and neither is your regexp :)
13:53.30codsheh, it's monday :)
13:53.59jpa_true :)
13:54.58Chestal~bzflist
13:55.06jpa_for some teachers too, physics teacher was telling something nonsense, and after blackboard full of calculations "i do not know today, go away, we will get back to this tomorrow"
13:55.52codsservers are backs
13:57.12codsno more :)
13:57.28jpa_:P
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14:01.36ToughShooterHi SportChick
14:01.43SportChickhi ts
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14:04.00ToughShooterSportChick: I am trying to make a map by myself. I have to admit it's a lot of work and wiz had done a great job. I tried by myself to bring the original style of Spirals 3.0 to a bigger map and it's nearly impossible
14:04.44SportChickts: yeah, a bunch of people made potential "new" spirals maps.  The admins tried out several of them and wiz's was by far the best.  He did an excellent job imho
14:06.45ToughShooterSportChick: I try to make an independent one now with a few elements by Spirals 3.0. It's really hard to make it balanced..
14:06.47PimpiToughShooter: why is it almost impossible§
14:08.56ToughShooterPimpi: Those gangways are relative to the size of map. Making them bigger changes style on them, too. I addition to that there will be gaps in map, where buildings have been relative near on the original map.
14:13.12Pimpiscale the gangways, fill the gaps with new stuff. also add new gangways where needed. sure the character of the map will be altered, but the size is one of the most important things in a map, it's (of course) impossible to scale a map and keep it's character
14:14.05Pimpiif you make the map bigger you'll need _lots_ of players to fill it
14:14.25Pimpithough i've seen 50+ players on secretplace ;)
14:14.29ChestalPimpi: /help official does not work on the 1vs1 server
14:14.37Pimpioh
14:16.19ToughShooterPimpi: I tried it. It just doesn't work and I want my own theme...
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14:30.50Thumper__jpa_: servers are back up
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14:53.28Birdie!seen wizart
14:53.28guuBirdie: wizart was last seen here 1 week, 0 days, 23 hours, 32 minutes, and 37 seconds ago saying: <wizart> we will have a few new moves then :)
14:54.40cristi!seen blast007_away
14:54.41guucristi: blast007_away was last seen here 2 weeks, 6 days, 10 hours, 37 minutes, and 10 seconds ago saying: * blast007_away really goes to bed now ;)
14:56.24cristiThumper__: hi!
14:56.50cristi!seen ToughShooter
14:56.50guucristi: ToughShooter was last seen here 40 minutes and 29 seconds ago saying: <ToughShooter> Pimpi: I tried it. It just doesn't work and I want my own theme...
14:57.27cristi!seen Thumper__
14:57.27guucristi: Thumper__ was last seen here 26 minutes and 36 seconds ago saying: <Thumper__> jpa_: servers are back up
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14:58.50cristihello zettai
14:58.59Pizbitcristi: Kindly STFU, thanks.
14:59.13zettaihi
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15:00.04cristihi menutume
15:00.14menotumehellos :)
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15:00.41cristimenotume, you want to connect to 82.137.26.35 : 5154 ?
15:00.53menotumeis it 1.10 ?
15:02.34menotumecristi: sry, i can't do 2.0 quite yet
15:02.59codscristi: You really have to stop asking for your server.
15:03.41codsI'm not sure everyone here will have enough patience to tolerate you.
15:05.02Pimpi~seen Birdie
15:05.12ibotbirdie is currently on #bzleague (2h 25m 36s) #bzflag (2h 25m 36s).  Has said a total of 5 messages.  Is idling for 10m 39s
15:06.17menotumePimpi: he is in #guleague
15:06.44Birdieyea i'm talking to him:),  but we are testing what ibot can, guu can, difference etc:)
15:06.53menotumeahh haa
15:06.54Pimpity, was just a test though, i'm actually alking with him on #dub...
15:09.12Pimpi!guu debian version python
15:09.12guuPimpi: Do I look like that kind of girl?
15:09.26Nidhoggrhi all.
15:09.31Pimpi!guu version python
15:09.32guuPimpi: I'm sorry, I was listening to Fatboy Slim.
15:09.37menotumeheya Nidhoggr
15:09.41Pimpihrmm
15:09.42Birdieguu doesnt always listen
15:09.43guuBirdie: Wuo de ma!
15:10.03Pimpi!guu debian
15:10.04guuPimpi: Poke me there again, and you'll pull back a stump.
15:10.18Pimpishe knew it once
15:10.30Pimpi!debian version python
15:10.33guuPimpi: 96 matches found: bonobo-python (stable: 0.2.0-6); dcoppython (stable: 2.2.2-3); diveintopython (testing: 5.4-1); diveintopython (unstable: 5.4-1); drpython (unstable: 3.9.5-1); entity-python (stable: 0.7.2-6); entity-python (testing: 1.0.1-7); entity-python (unstable: 1.0.1-7); gimp-python (stable: 1.2-3); gimp-python (testing: 2.2.2-1); gimp-python (unstable: 2.2.3-2); gnumeric-python (9 more messages)
15:10.35Pimpithats it
15:11.11Grumblertheres always #botpark for testing
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15:56.15Grumblerhmm
15:57.30CIA-1BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/bzadmin.cxx: user@host
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16:22.20rastamendf
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16:36.02Pimpidoes a cache file created with -cacheout need to have a specific name to become accepted by clients?
16:36.38jpa_they are named after md5sum if i recall correctly
16:39.52cristi!redhat version python
16:39.53guucristi: Huwwwwat!!?!?!
16:40.04cristilol
16:40.21Pimpicristi: guu knows only debian iirc
16:40.29cristik
16:40.31cristi:(
16:40.45cristiPimpi: what is your nick on BZFLAG ?
16:41.02cristiPimpi or pimpinella ?
16:41.18PimpiPimpinella
16:41.53Pimpijpa_: so i have to name it manually after it's md5sum?
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16:42.23tea|treehola
16:42.33Pimpihi teebaum
16:42.40tea|treehuh Pimpi
16:42.41jpa_Pimpi: yup.. p<md5sum>.pwc in cache dir it seems..
16:47.36jpa_i mean, .bwc
16:47.40trepanjpa_: are you sure that it has to be so named?
16:47.46jpa_umm
16:47.58jpa_i'm not sure what you are talking about...
16:48.03tea|tree;o)
16:48.08Pimpino, just tried, doesn't seem tp be loke that
16:48.29jpa_i thought you ment to put a cache file in clients folder
16:48.39jpa_Pimpi: noticed my mistake?
16:48.47codstrepan: how can I set texture on a ring object (arc with ratio) so that top texture look.. hmm. "fine" (properly scaled) ?
16:48.58Pimpiyeah, but it seems it can have any name
16:49.05jpa_oh, ok
16:49.22trepancods: dunno what you mean
16:49.36Pimpinot in cache dir, but as cache file for http downoad
16:49.38trepanbut worst comes to worst, fire up blender, and whip one up
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16:49.54jpa_Pimpi: oh, still don't understand :P
16:50.27cristiPimpi: you want to play with me on my server ?
16:50.33cristiPimpi: :)
16:50.42Pimpibfzs has 2 new options -cacheout and -cache
16:50.57jpa_am i the only one slightly getting annoyed from cristi?
16:51.17jpa_Pimpi: oh, ok, so it can download cache file with http?
16:51.33codstrepan: I see.. Not really the answer I would have expected :) I want to create map "by hand" without using modeler. And, I wondered if texsize what useful to make top texture of an arc object defined with some ratio (say .5) so that the texture is mapped as on top of a box for example.
16:51.52codstrepan: in my map, the north cell contains such an object, without any particular texsize, just default value.
16:52.17jpa_and it looks ugly and hurts my eyes
16:52.18trepaniirc, the 3rd and 4th texsize params are for top/bottom
16:52.22codswords are missing to explain that :/
16:52.38Pimpijpa_: yeah
16:52.44jpa_Pimpi: ok
16:53.27trepancods: did you put the arc in a group, and then scale the group?
16:53.44codsnope, I just tried an arc object as the whole map.
16:54.07jpa_trepan: also, is the mesh-teleport-bug between mesh and normal, or between mesh and mesh, too?
16:54.53codstrepan: I tried to read the code about texsz[3] and texsz[4] but I don't see how to set them. Also, I tried to set them to various value (100, 1, .1, and negative values..) but I don't see how that affect the UV space.
16:55.12trepancods: PM me the few lines for the arc
16:55.13cods(doh, i mean [2] and [3])
16:55.17cristicods: how do you generated the 2.0 map with python ?
16:55.30codscristi: see http://bzflag.tuxee.net/
16:55.37codstrepan: ok
16:55.44cristicods: what command you have typed to generate the map ?
16:56.08codscristi: we are using our own scripts.. I'm not sure about what you're talking..
16:56.29jpa_bzmap-system/bzmap.py bzmap-olympic/olympic.py
16:56.30jpa_etc
16:56.40jpa_cods: seeking for bzmap guidance, maybe?
16:57.35jpa_maybe not, anyway..
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17:03.31jpa_hello sporty
17:03.35SportyGalhi jpa_
17:04.11cristicods: how to run bzmap script ?
17:04.25cristicods: i am on linux
17:05.46codscristi: see jpa example above. In short, you just run bzmap.py with module containing map script as argument
17:06.06jpa_mew bzmap $ python system/bzmap -o olympic.bzw olympic/olympic
17:06.13jpa_that is more correct :)
17:06.49codsbut for 2.0 features, you should probably wait next bzmap release.
17:07.01jpa_(olympic is the dir for olympic python-files and system for the systemfiles)
17:07.24cristiso i must do "$bzmap -o -S mymap.bzw" no ?
17:07.43cods-o specify a output filename
17:07.56codsadd a filename after the -o
17:08.07jpa_bzmap -o mymap.bzw -S <script you use without .py ending>
17:08.14codsand you should specify the module containing the map script (which contain a 'build' function)
17:08.40cristii know
17:11.30cristihmm... it doesn't work
17:11.53cristi:(
17:12.05cristicods: you have an idea ?
17:12.13codsdo you have an error ?
17:12.19codswe can continue on private..
17:12.23codsnot really the topic of this channel
17:12.50cristiok
17:12.52cristii continue private
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17:14.57cristihello
17:16.52GrumblerJeffM2501, dude, read, then spell check, then read again.......“When the going gets tough, the
17:18.20JeffM2501Grumbler, yeah, dtr did a post spellcheck proof for me
17:18.26JeffM2501I havent' posted it yet tho :)
17:18.41JeffM2501he liked the politial analist the most :)
17:18.45Grumblerheh, i figured, just ribbing
17:18.58JeffM2501proofreading is not my forte
17:19.26Grumblerhad to read that line four times....the /cr combined with the misspelling had my simple mind confused
17:19.54JeffM2501yeah I think I need to make it do html, or just link to a pdf
17:20.19JeffM2501or I was thinking of making it like a little mini site, where it could be broken into sections
17:20.25JeffM2501and comments left on each section
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17:21.59GrumblerJeffM2501, work is that boring lately, huh
17:22.38JeffM2501I had a dream the night before
17:22.41JeffM2501and had to get it out
17:22.50JeffM2501then it just kinda balloned
17:42.25SportyGalNidhoggr: ping
17:42.31Nidhoggr?
17:42.35SportyGalhiya
17:42.38Nidhoggrhi
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17:52.58Nidhoggrwe still have a fairly annoying bug that didn't go away with the new version.
17:53.21Nidhoggrthe hostname data is not reset when a new player comes on.
17:53.39Nidhoggrso if the player's host doesn't look up, it reflects the lookup of the last player or the listserver.
17:53.46bz0520Hello?
17:53.51blast007bz0520: hi
17:54.10bz0520thanks checking to see if I am truly logged into this channel--I take that as a yes
17:54.16blast007:)
17:56.30bz0520I have two questions:  #1:  on version 1, I choose 'find servers,' it does, and then I try to 'connect' and sometimes it hangs depending on the server... only option is ctrl-alt-f1 login 'killall -9 bzflag'...  any one with a solution to that?
17:56.45Silver2when you do a safety zone, what does Z do in the position? Does it place things at that height, or up to that height?
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17:58.55DTRemenakSilver2, think "box".  Z-position does the position, Z-size does the height.
17:58.56blast007bz0520: version 1? you mean 1.10.x?
17:59.23bz0520blast007:  yes, I mean the version released with FC3, that is not version 2.0
18:00.02blast007probably a connection issue
18:00.11Noodle-senseiSportyGal: monday, by definition, is bad
18:00.12DTRemenakbz0520, there's not really anything you can do about it, except upgrade.  2.0 will let you cancel a connect (hit esc).
18:00.25Noodle-senseimonday is evil
18:00.26DTRemenaksomeone's got a case of the mondays? :)
18:02.54bz0520DTRemenak:  that brings me to question #2:  I did upgrade to v2.0 and all the servers I get logged onto I have speed issues:  choppy graphics, lag, etc....
18:03.18SportyGalNoodle-sensei: it's not so bad
18:03.26blast007bz0520: make sure Depth Buffer is turned on
18:04.38Noodle-senseimonday is EVIL, i tell you!
18:04.47Noodle-senseidon't listen to anything anyone else says!
18:07.52ToughShooterNoodle-sensei: What's when someone else says monday is evil, too? :-)
18:10.54bz0520Noodle-sensei:  EMBRACE the Monday... what you resisit, will persist
18:11.05blast007hehe
18:12.23bz0520Noodle-sensei:  I have trouble with Sunday Night--the anticipation of Monday is what hurts....
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18:25.34Grumblerfear is the mind killer
18:25.58JeffM2501beer is the mind killer
18:28.17Nidhoggrbeer is the brain cell killer :)
18:28.30Nidhoggrthey needed killin' though.
18:28.32Nidhoggr:)
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18:30.19cristihi timriker
18:35.18GrumblerNidhoggr, it is the american motto.......just look at the president ;)
18:36.36Tuponehttp://linux-club.org/gallery/album07/aab?full=1 <<< numanumaye singer
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18:42.16GrumblerTupone, you sure about that.....?
18:42.44Tuponeyeah :)
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18:43.38Tuponethe song was first sing in Italy, all the summer :(
18:43.55Tuponeshe is from Romania
18:44.02Tuponebut she lives in Italy
18:44.34Tuponehttp://www.haiducii.net/
18:46.11Birdiehmmmm finally a good link on #bzflag
18:46.13Birdie:)
18:50.25cristiwho is from romania?
18:51.18cristiTupone: who is from romania?
18:51.34cristi5me ?
18:51.39TuponeHauducii, the singer
18:51.55JeffM2501your mom
18:52.00cristihe is on IRC ?
18:52.18JeffM2501I think your prety mutch it skip.
18:52.22Tuponenah, we talked about a song these days.
18:52.27cristik
18:52.34cristiI am from romania
18:52.36cristimuahahaha
18:52.42trepanhttp://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2913 , can anyone interpret? (ie: is that a request for something?)
18:52.54JeffM2501and that means evil laguh for what reason?
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18:53.07trepanJeffM2501: cause it really is his mom?
18:53.08JeffM2501wow
18:53.15JeffM2501that's just wow
18:53.26TuponeWord from that song: Alo, salut Sint eu, un haidu Si te kog iubirea Mea primeste fericirea
18:53.32JeffM2501trepan, so I had to 'splain sine and cosine to BIYA.. that was fun.
18:54.00trepandid you at least have pictures?
18:54.06JeffM2501nope
18:54.22JeffM2501but I gave him detailed formula
18:54.31JeffM2501that he promptly got backwards
18:56.36ViPeRhey guys i got some problems ever since i added this stuff like +f GM{40} on my server i cant join the game... and i cant identify my self with out geting kick off with the message "server has unexpectedly disconnected"
18:57.55blast007ViPeR: how many flags are you adding?
18:58.10ViPeR40
18:58.12ViPeRwhy
18:58.20blast007just 40?
18:58.21ViPeR40 for each flag
18:58.23cristi<PROTECTED>
18:58.24ViPeRyes
18:58.29cristinice
18:58.31cristi:P
18:59.01trepanViPeR: that's too many flags, it's a known problem
18:59.03blast007that's a lot of flags...
18:59.10ViPeRi i put 1 on each flag and i sill have the same problem
18:59.38cristi3 HEY! 2 Anyone know BZEdit for linux ?
18:59.46blast007cristi: no color please
18:59.53cristiok
19:00.09cristiAnyone know BZEdit for linux ?
19:00.11blast007the bzedit for linux is very outdated, and you probably won't get it to compile
19:00.26cristii want to get it
19:00.27blast007best chance is gonna be pyBZEdit
19:00.34cristik
19:00.42cristibut from where i can download it?
19:01.01blast007I hear that google can do searches for stuff
19:01.08blast007:)
19:01.10Birdielol blast
19:01.17cristilol
19:01.24DTRemenakhttp://www.sf.net/projects/pybzedit
19:01.24ViPeRdid i done some thing wrong on my part
19:01.32DTRemenakprobably even ibot knows
19:01.35DTRemenak~pybzedit
19:01.49DTRemenakibot, pybzedit is at http://www.sf.net/projects/pybzedit
19:01.51ibotDTRemenak: okay
19:01.54DTRemenak~pybzedit
19:01.55iboti heard pybzedit is at http://www.sf.net/projects/pybzedit
19:04.33cristiibot, from where i can pybzedit for linux ?
19:04.35ViPeRblast007: u want to take a look at my conf file if so i can download it off of my server box?
19:04.48ViPeRto see what my problem is
19:04.55DTRemenakcristi, pybzedit is for python.  all sane linuces come with python.
19:05.04cristik
19:05.11cristiand from where i can download it for linux
19:05.18DTRemenakright there
19:05.26cristii downloaded the pyBzEdit.zip
19:05.36DTRemenakyeah
19:05.40DTRemenakand then unzip it
19:05.42blast007ViPeR: sure
19:05.49cristiI unziped it
19:05.54DTRemenakand run python <whatever-the-main-file-is>.py
19:05.54cristiand what i must do now?
19:06.03cristik
19:06.04ViPeRok but to order for me send it to you i have to connect on to my real ip addy
19:06.13ViPeRcuz i am on my BNC
19:06.14blast007ViPeR: could pastebin it
19:06.22DTRemenakand if it doesn't run then you need to go get whatever it says it's missing
19:06.37ViPeRok
19:06.56blast007http://pastebin.ca/
19:07.41cristiDTRemenak, it doesn't work
19:08.04DTRemenakcristi, so get whatever it says it's missing
19:08.05cristiit is for WINDOWS
19:08.16blast007no, it's cross-platform
19:08.24DTRemenakit is for PYTHON
19:08.25JeffM2501cristi, did you install python and the modules?
19:08.32DTRemenakwhat error do you have?
19:08.33JeffM2501windows dosn't come with python
19:08.45cristii am on linux
19:08.46blast007JeffM2501: they are on linux I think
19:08.50JeffM2501ahhh
19:08.53cristiyes i am on linux
19:08.57JeffM2501then install the same things on linux :)
19:09.07DTRemenakwhat error do you have?
19:09.30cristino module named wxPython.wx
19:09.33cristi:|
19:09.38DTRemenaksee? so you need wxPython.
19:09.41DTRemenakuse google
19:09.45cristik
19:09.46cristi:P
19:09.54DTRemenakand then you'll probably need something else after that
19:09.56cristilol
19:10.03Tupone~nslookup tupone.dyndns.org
19:10.05DTRemenakbut eventually it will work
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19:10.52stevekhey all
19:11.10Nidhoggrstevek: hiya!
19:11.10Nidhoggr:)
19:11.51Nidhoggrroast beef and cheddar wrap with chipotle mayo and a bowl of southwest chicken soup.
19:11.59stevekyummy
19:12.12steveki had pizza, it was good:)
19:12.45SportyGalNidhoggr: that's just mean, taunting me with your lunch escapades
19:12.46Nidhoggrwe usually do pizza on monday nights.
19:13.07Nidhoggrthere is a community college snack bar across the street.  they have great food.
19:13.50ViPeR<PROTECTED>
19:14.16stevekhey sporty
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19:14.25ViPeRhi SC
19:14.44blast007http://pastebin.ca/5406
19:14.46stevekviper, are "viper" the server admin?
19:14.52steveks/are/are you
19:14.58blast007(in case anyone else wants to view it)
19:15.01MadJokerto my bz flag server?
19:15.07stevekviper.pimpi.org
19:15.24MadJokerno i am the owner of bzhell.no-ip.com
19:15.30blast007MadJoker: +f good{40}  will add 40 of each flag, not just 40 flags
19:15.32stevekoh okay
19:15.51stevekhrmm i've been looking for viper, a few of his admin passwords i think were guessed
19:15.52blast007so that right there is probably the problem
19:15.56MadJokerok i should take that out
19:16.04MadJokerlet me that that
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19:23.24cristihi toughshooter
19:23.27cristihow are you ?
19:24.35ToughShooterrather bad
19:33.16Nidhoggr~sgk284++
19:33.35cristijoin #bzleague
19:33.38cristiok?
19:33.43stevekheh thanks:)
19:33.50cristi:)
19:34.00cristi"/join #bzleague"
19:34.01Nidhoggrcristi: that would be /join #bzleague
19:34.04Nidhoggr:)
19:34.08Nidhoggrwithout the quotes.
19:34.27cristiNidhoggr: i know
19:34.33cristiNidhoggr: i joined
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19:39.15Birdie!seen gina
19:39.15guuBirdie: gina was last seen here 20 hours, 49 minutes, and 26 seconds ago saying: <gina> Rabbit game with many rabbits and one chaser ?
19:39.21Birdie:)
19:39.27ginaheh
19:39.37Tuponehi gina
19:39.42gina!seen birdie
19:39.42guugina: birdie was last seen here 20 seconds ago saying: <Birdie> :)
19:39.48Birdielol
19:39.52Birdiehi gina
19:40.04ginaciao both
19:40.45Grumblerhmm, i guess she must have a band......cant get the mp3's though :(
19:41.33cristi!status Pimpi
19:41.34guucristi: Since Sun Jan 30 11:29:42 2005, there have been 0 modifications and 1 question. I have been awake for 1 week, 1 day, 0 hours, 11 minutes, and 53 seconds this session, and currently reference 1490 factoids. Addressing is in require mode.
19:44.02cristi!seen Pimpi
19:44.03guucristi: Pimpi was last seen here 2 hours, 51 minutes, and 25 seconds ago saying: <Pimpi> jpa_: yeah
19:47.01cristihi gina
19:47.40cristi!seen Nidhoggr
19:47.41guucristi: Nidhoggr was last seen here 13 minutes and 32 seconds ago saying: <Nidhoggr> without the quotes.
19:48.24ginahi cristi
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19:51.07Nidhoggrfind somewhere else to play with the bot please.
19:51.21Nidhoggr#botpark works.
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19:57.10ginais there a diff between bzfs 1.10.8 and 2.0 concerning port,public,publicaddr etc?
19:57.17bz9663hello all
19:57.55blast007bz9663: hello
19:58.21blast007gina: what kind of a difference? they should work the same
19:59.51ginai cant get my server online though router is not changed
20:01.08jpa_hmm.. online or public?
20:01.12jpa_what is the address?
20:01.13blast007is your port set properly in your configuration?
20:02.08blast007yeah, address and port would be helpful
20:02.25blast007so we can see if the server is accessable
20:02.27bz9663anyone know about the fonts?
20:02.42blast007bz9663: know what about the fonts?
20:02.45bz9663im running gentoo
20:02.57bz9663what fonts bzflag 2.0 requires
20:03.06blast007it has it's own fonts
20:03.10ginarose.homelinux.net:50000
20:03.11bz9663i get an unable to find fonts errrror when i attempt to start it
20:03.12blast007doesn't need any other ones
20:03.18Tuponewhere you run bzflag? what directory?
20:03.32blast007~bzfquery rose.homelinux.net:50000
20:03.34codswow.. trying to build a map with 1000 boxes (all at the same place), bzfs need 280MB of memory, and take 1'30 to compute the collision tree. Using "disjoint"(?) boxes, it just start in 0.1s..
20:03.40jpa_bz9663: remove your ~/.bzf directory
20:03.42ginahmmm
20:03.56ginaso it is online then
20:03.59gina:p
20:04.20jpa_gina: but is it public?
20:04.21bz9663done that, it simply fails and puts another in its place
20:04.27Grumblercods, trying to find ways to break things ;)
20:04.42ginait was before, didnt change config
20:04.44ginawait
20:04.46bz9663no, i just want to play
20:04.46Tuponebz9663:  where you run bzflag? what directory?
20:04.47bz9663;)
20:04.52bryjenbzflag's font should be in /usr/share/bzflag/fonts  i think
20:05.03bz9663im runnning it from my user's home directory
20:05.08bz9663it runs while root
20:05.11bz9663but ......
20:05.14bz9663i dont want to do that
20:05.21Tuponeis there a data dir under your directory?
20:05.33ginajpa_: -publicaddr "rose.homelinux.net:50000"
20:05.35bz9663there is a .bzf directroy
20:05.37codsgrumbler: I wanted to bench rendering difference between 1000 old boxes, and 1000 meshes boxes. And for the test, I just created everything at the same place, and discovered this behavior. So.. now I know that "disjoint" (not touching) objects is the best scenario.
20:05.40bz9663but thats it
20:05.50jpa_gina: and -public, too?
20:05.59ginayes
20:06.03ginain the config file
20:06.08jpa_hm
20:06.20jpa_so it is public? so no problems?
20:06.29ginawhere is it in the list then??
20:06.37Tuponebz9663: man bzflag
20:06.42Grumblercods, overlaps have always been issue......a little sad to know it still exists
20:06.45bz9663ya ya
20:06.57Tuponelook there for -directory
20:06.58Nidhoggrhey grumbler: feel like making a map?  :)
20:07.12Grumblerheh, i already am
20:07.22NidhoggrI need a map for dragon.org
20:07.23Nidhoggrctf
20:07.26Nidhoggrmade for wings
20:07.31Nidhoggrlots of wings
20:07.35Grumblerheh
20:07.48ginai dont see it in the list, jpa_
20:07.48jpa_:)
20:07.50Tuponebz9663: at the end of -driectory there is the default path it uses. what is written
20:07.52Grumblerwell, thats not where this is going....this is more along the lines of the trepan war map
20:07.53trepanGrumbler: overlap being an issue w.r.t. coldet grid gen?
20:08.00Nidhoggrah
20:08.13NidhoggrI am so lost without a decent map editor for my mac. :(
20:08.31jpa_Nidhoggr: do you want ocean adapted for ctf? :)
20:08.31trepanoverlap is no longer necessary now that there are meshes
20:08.41GrumblerNidhoggr, try blender....although it takes a lot
20:08.42Nidhoggrwhich one is ocean?
20:08.52Nidhoggrtakes a lot?  what does that mean?
20:08.57jpa_Nidhoggr: it is the one that is not running anymore
20:09.05Nidhoggrjpa_: screenshot?
20:09.13jpa_hm
20:09.19GrumblerNidhoggr, ...for me, i am used to way too many graphic editors....and this one is "different"
20:09.25Nidhoggrit'd be cool to have something like the fourwinds map that is higher up.
20:09.31Nidhoggrah.
20:09.35Grumbleralthough this is my first mesh editor
20:09.54jpa_http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/ocean.bzw  the old, ffa style one
20:10.03jpa_there is not ctf version yet :P
20:10.22Nidhoggrah.  I'll have to look later.  I can't bz from here.
20:10.28jpa_and i've not made one because i do not have bandwidth for second server
20:10.36GrumblerNidhoggr, i could do flying dragons...hehaha
20:10.37Nidhoggrdownloaded map to look at later.
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20:10.42jpa_ok
20:10.47jpa_i'll sleep now :)
20:10.49jpa_gnight
20:10.49NidhoggrGrumbler: that was the direction I was going.
20:11.15Nidhoggrnite jpa_
20:12.29ChestalNidhoggr: can you set the clock on my.bzflag.org? seems to be off by about 5 minutes
20:12.56jpa_Grumbler: you could make them animated with dyncolor sequence :)
20:13.25CIA-1BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/net/AdnsHandler.cxx: only return hostname if lookup has succeeded
20:13.45Grumblersure, i'll make'em breath fire as well
20:14.55NidhoggrChestal: sure.
20:15.42Nidhoggrbzflag:/usr/games/bzflag# ntpdate tick.usno.navy.mil
20:15.42Nidhoggr<PROTECTED>
20:15.45Nidhoggr:)
20:15.49Chestalthanks
20:16.01JBdiGrizHmmm, ntp is off?
20:16.31Nidhoggrbryjen: does that fix my bug?  :)
20:16.42Nidhoggrif so, then thanks a ton! :)
20:16.54NidhoggrI should set it to do ntpdate every 24 hours.
20:17.05Nidhoggrmy other servers do that.
20:17.16Chestalyes, would be good
20:17.35ChestalI assume that the skew is no more than a few seconds a day?
20:17.46jpa_no no no, ntpd is better :)
20:18.25Nidhoggrprobably.
20:18.29Chestala real time server is better, it can avoid jumps backwards in time I think
20:18.34Chestalnever used one, though :-)
20:18.42bz9663m
20:18.42NidhoggrI always just used ntpdate.
20:18.49bz9663no dice
20:18.54CIA-1BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/game/NetHandler.cxx: use NetHandler's own getHostname(). Let it handle HAVE_ADNS.
20:18.58bz9663i changed the perms on /usr/share/games/bzflag
20:19.02bz9663ddidnt work
20:19.24bz9663and using the bzflag -directory /usr/share/games/bzflag doesnt work
20:19.46Silver2depends on what stratum.
20:20.00ginajpa_: bzfs ate 98 % cpu withou activity. Killed -9, problem solved
20:20.37jpa_gina: :D
20:20.48jpa_so you had forgot -fb etc :)
20:20.56ginai didnt change anything!
20:21.00Nidhoggrmine seems to be taking less CPU with more recent compile.
20:21.15jpa_not even the map?
20:21.57JBdiGrizAll of my machines are based from an ntpd server locally, which syncs to a national server.
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20:23.24Grumblerbut JBdiGriz  your on a mac....everything is different on a mac :)
20:23.32*** part/#bzflag incubii (~cb239b9e@webchat.bzflag.bz)
20:23.58JBdiGrizActually, the ntpd server is on a freebsd machine. The macs just point to it. ;)
20:24.10brlcadMrApathyCream: playing hookey?
20:24.13JBdiGrizI firmly believe in making admin work easy.
20:28.07bz9663lol
20:28.16bz9663anyonnne able to help my problem?
20:28.35brlcadno, you're helpless
20:28.51brlcad~ask
20:28.52ibotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
20:29.08blast007have you tried coping the data directory to your home directory, and then using -directory to your that spot?
20:29.27blast007to that spot*
20:29.27bz9663im not finding any data directory
20:29.33bz9663alt least named data
20:29.47bz9663all i have is /usr/share/games/bzflag
20:29.49blast007well, the directory with all the png and wav files
20:29.54bz9663ok
20:29.59bz9663iill try that
20:30.01bz9663brb
20:30.03blast007k
20:32.34bz9663k
20:32.53bz9663copied it to home directory of user, and changed perms accordingly
20:32.59bz9663still gives error
20:33.08bz9663i can see the fonts in the directroy too
20:33.12blast007hrm
20:33.17bz9663there is a ./bzflag/fonts directory
20:33.20bz9663and its populated
20:33.29bz9663this is an odd error
20:33.33bz9663to say the least
20:34.09brlcadeh, what is ".", where are you?
20:34.09blast007so this doesn't work?: bzflag -directory ./bzflag
20:34.34blast007his home directory, afaik
20:36.32bz9663actually ~/
20:36.34bz9663or /home/username
20:36.55bz9663well ill try it
20:37.12bz9663ive been using bzflag -directory /home/username/bzflag
20:37.42blast007k
20:37.58bz9663nos
20:37.59bz9663nope
20:38.01bz9663rather
20:38.10bz9663same old error
20:39.17blast007try: bzflag -directory "/home/username/bzflag"
20:39.47bz9663<PROTECTED>
20:40.07bz9663nope
20:40.09blast007or try putting a / after bzflag
20:40.09bz9663no dice
20:40.12bz9663ok
20:40.24bz9663nope
20:40.25bz9663nada
20:40.29blast007hrm....
20:41.20blast007and you are sure the files are all accessable/readable from your user account?
20:41.26bz9663ya
20:41.28bz9663i can cd there
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20:41.32bz9663and see them all
20:41.34bz9663here
20:41.40bz9663ill give you a ls -l
20:41.47bz9663i opened it up wit 777
20:41.49blast007but can you read the actual files?
20:41.51bz9663(i know i know
20:41.53bz9663hold on
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20:41.55blast007k
20:41.57bz9663ill look
20:42.14Dirthi
20:42.19blast007Dirt: hello
20:42.29CrazyMachi gang, is there a bzflag editor for linux?
20:42.38DirtI'm new at this so I am not sure what is going on.
20:42.38blast007~pybzedit
20:42.39ibotit has been said that pybzedit is at http://www.sf.net/projects/pybzedit
20:43.02bz9663hats it
20:43.03brlcadCrazyMac: not really any ready for public use yet, but if you're a dev there are some close
20:43.04bz9663i think
20:43.20CrazyMacbut the the zip file one is for windows becuz its got a *.bat file
20:43.45blast007that doesn't mean it's _for_ windows, just that it _works_ with windows
20:44.11CrazyMacok how can i get it to work?
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20:44.35blast007do you have Python, and all the libraries?
20:44.41CrazyMacno
20:44.47blast007good place to start
20:45.16CrazyMacshoot brb i need to restart
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20:45.35Dirtyou guys programers
20:45.39blast007some
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20:46.11DirtI downloaded 2.0.0 and I can't get the server to work.
20:46.15bz9663k man thank you that did it
20:46.20bz9663tricky perms
20:46.30blast007bz9663: cool
20:46.35bz9663a
20:46.40bz9663ill keep it in mind
20:46.40bz9663:)
20:46.44bz9663thanks again man
20:46.47blast007np
20:48.53blast007Dirt: add -ddd to your command line, as that will output errors...anyway, going home...
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20:52.05CrazyMacok i am back
20:52.40CrazyMacwhere can i get python or what ever its call so i can run pybzedit?
20:53.07bryjen~python
20:53.08ibotmethinks python is Available at http://www.python.org    Python is an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented programming language. It is often compared to Tcl, Perl, Scheme or Java.
20:53.40CrazyMacis it for suse pro 9.2?
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20:54.30bryjensuse probably has their own package for it
20:54.34DTRemenakCrazyMac, first type "python -V" at a command prompt, to see if you already have it
20:54.36DTRemenakI bet you do
20:54.48DTRemenakI think YaST is partly written in python :)
20:54.50CrazyMacok
20:55.25CrazyMaccrazyhell@linux:~> python -V
20:55.25CrazyMacPython 2.3.4
20:55.37DTRemenakyou'll also need wxpython, which is probably on the install disks, or at wxpython.org
20:55.56CrazyMacok
20:56.40DTRemenakand pyopengl, which is probably on the install disks, or at pyopengl.sf.net
20:56.55*** part/#bzflag zettai (~zettai@200.116.255.162)
20:56.58DTRemenaksuse tends to ship everything and the kitchen sink on the install disks :)
20:57.14*** mode/#bzflag [+o Nidhoggr] by ChanServ
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20:58.21Nidhoggrhi z_k
20:58.55bryjenNidhoggr: i'm not sure those changes will help.  it really *should* have worked before ;)
20:59.06z_khi Nid...:D  i'm very ready to come back to the land of big macs
21:01.35CrazyMacsorry i was away, so i need to pop disc 1 in and see if i got the stuff i needed
21:02.42CrazyMacbtw i check mark every thing at in the installer when i install suse in my system last nite
21:03.23DTRemenakheh, you might have everything you need already then :)
21:03.36CrazyMacyeah
21:04.44CrazyMacok now how can i get this program to work do i have to go in the command prompt and run it?
21:05.36DTRemenakyeah.  "python pybzedit.py" probably.
21:06.27CrazyMacok
21:06.50CrazyMaccrazyhell@linux:~> python pybzedit.py
21:06.51CrazyMacpython: can't open file 'pybzedit.py'
21:07.05DTRemenakmake sure you're in the directory where you extracted pybzedit
21:07.13CrazyMacok
21:08.04CrazyMaccrazyhell@linux:~/bzedit> python pybzedit.py
21:08.04CrazyMacpython: can't open file 'pybzedit.py'
21:08.04CrazyMaccrazyhell@linux:~/bzedit>
21:08.18DTRemenakah, capitalization.  python pyBzEdit.py
21:08.28CrazyMacok
21:08.50Silver2tab completion is nice.
21:09.03CrazyMaccrazyhell@linux:~/bzedit> python pyBzEdit.py
21:09.03CrazyMacTraceback (most recent call last):
21:09.03CrazyMac<PROTECTED>
21:09.03CrazyMac<PROTECTED>
21:09.03CrazyMacImportError: No module named wxPython.wx
21:09.25DTRemenakmm, then you do need wxpython.  search for it on the install disks, or wxpython.org
21:09.57CrazyMacand i might needed pyopengl then to
21:09.59Nidhoggrz_k:  I bet. :)  
21:10.02DTRemenakyup
21:10.14DTRemenakand numeric python (www.sf.net/projects/numpy)
21:11.32Silver2doesn't look like it needs resolving to me.
21:11.40Tuponehave you defined it in /etc/hosts ?
21:12.04*** join/#bzflag stevek (~sgk284@ws50.cs.drexel.edu)
21:12.20stevekhi
21:12.21bryjenTupone: yes
21:12.26*** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c-15bbe055.17-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
21:12.41Tuponeand resolv.conf says files, too?
21:12.48stevek~sgk284
21:12.49ibotmethinks sgk284 is an admin at Secretplace.
21:12.49bryjenresolve that IP address into a hostname, Silver2
21:13.03*** join/#bzflag Carnage__ (~d8088446@rw08.de)
21:13.37bryjenTupone:  nsswitch.conf: hosts:          files dns
21:13.52TuponeI should look into adns :/
21:15.27meno2ume~menotume++ for the new league code
21:15.32meno2ume~menotume--
21:15.37meno2ume~menotume-- for taking so darn long !
21:15.56menotume<PROTECTED>
21:16.06DTRemenakmenotume, the w3c validator doesn't like your code very much
21:16.12DTRemenakand you might want to change your password now
21:16.16menotumewouldn't expect it to :)
21:16.22menotumenewwwww
21:16.26menotumelol - thanks
21:16.31DTRemenakheh
21:17.14stevekheh
21:17.32z_kNidhogger:  Germany is nice but i miss home (secretplace too)...I should get off my lazy behind and start lending a hand in here
21:18.22Nidhoggr:)
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21:18.44tea|treeibot seen bamf
21:18.46ibotbamf <~frootie@alb-24-194-98-76.nycap.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 719d 21h 20m ago, saying: 'later all'.
21:18.50tea|treepfff
21:19.00stevekheh
21:19.06tea|tree:o)
21:19.09DTRemenaklater...much later...
21:19.09stevekapparently much later
21:19.09menotumeeeeeep - 2 years ?
21:19.14tea|tree:D
21:19.17stevekDTRemenak, heh :)
21:19.18z_kNidhoggr: all i have to do is click my heel three times and say theres no place like home right
21:19.33Nidhoggrit'd be nice if it was that easy.
21:19.38stevekthere's no place like ~
21:19.44CIA-1BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: accept non-triplet face indices (ex: 1//2)
21:19.55JeffM2501ha
21:20.04z_khmmm...I'm still here I'll just have to fly back ;P
21:20.24JeffM2501trepan, I was just typing in bzbb "maybe someone can fix that"
21:20.46CrazyMachow can i check i got gtk and glib?
21:21.30Nidhoggrdoes blender work for bz maps now?
21:21.41trepanyup
21:21.43trepansorta
21:21.54z_kgtk-config --ver
21:21.58menotumeCrazyMac: try to run gtk-demo
21:22.04trepanyou can certainly pull geometry out of exporter OBJ files
21:22.04menotumeeven better
21:22.23Nidhoggrtrepan: is there a conversion program to run on the files or something?
21:22.26SportyGalzk!!  hiya
21:22.38trepanJeff's modeltool  (see the last commit  :)
21:22.39CrazyMacin the command prom?
21:22.50menotume~karma menotume
21:22.50ibotmenotume has karma of 1
21:22.53trepanthere's also a junky 3ds2bzw convert, it blows
21:22.59menotumeheh - that actually worked :)
21:23.11z_kSportyGal:  Hi SportChick...There's two of you huh?  
21:23.14tea|tree~tea|tree
21:23.15JeffM2501the obj converter should work decently well for most things
21:23.17trepanstupid 3ds file format and library suck
21:23.24SportyGalwell, one at home and one (here) at work
21:23.25gina~ibot++
21:23.29Nidhoggrah.
21:23.36SportyGalz_k: did I hear you moved to Deutschland/
21:23.37gina~karma ibot
21:23.37ibotibot has karma of 10
21:23.45SportyGal~karma gina
21:23.45ibotgina has karma of 2
21:23.52gina:|
21:24.00stevekhey sporty
21:24.02Tupone~gina++
21:24.08gina:P
21:24.13z_kSportyGal:  moved...no, I am working for the government and my job involves travel, yes I am in Deutschland
21:24.15SportyGalhiya steve
21:24.30SportyGalz_k: okay!  wo sind Sie?
21:24.55z_kSportyGal:  Did you need something auf Deutschland? Frankfurt...Not the Oktoberfesty country I had imagined.
21:24.58SportyGalIch habe in Deutschland gewohnt
21:25.07z_kWo?
21:25.16SportyGalMannheim und Vernheim
21:25.46trepanNidhoggr: depending on what your doing, you may find wings3d or Anim8or easier to learn then blender
21:25.46stevek~x de en Ich habe in Deutschland gewohnt
21:25.56SportyGalused?!  hehe
21:25.57SportyGallived!
21:26.05stevekheh close enough:)
21:26.08SportyGalSteve, "I have lived in Germany"
21:26.13JeffM2501ibot bzfslist
21:26.18JeffM2501ibot bzflist
21:26.18Nidhoggrhm.
21:26.19stevekon purpose?
21:26.21JeffM2501bahh
21:26.23SportyGalja
21:26.31stevekgermnay is nice :)
21:26.44stevekahh
21:26.55SportyGalyou kinda gotta go at that age
21:27.01stevekhehe
21:27.13SportyGalz_k: bring me back some authentic Wienerschnitzel und spaetzel
21:27.26SportyGal:)
21:27.26z_kAre you kidding?
21:27.28SportyGalhehe
21:27.29SportyGalyes
21:27.39z_kI can't even get the waitress to bring me Spaetzle ;P
21:27.42SportyGalz_k: where do you live normally?
21:27.46SportyGalz_k: hehe
21:28.16z_kSeriously where does one get Spaetzle?  You are not the first to ask.  Normally these days D.C.  I moved back from Hawaii
21:28.32SportyGalmoved FROM Hawaii?!  no one does THAT!
21:28.35SportyGalhehe
21:28.35z_kI am so glad to get off the island.  My vacation was over after the first year
21:28.57SportyGallast time I had spaetzel, I got it at CostPlus and made it at home, but not nearly as good as the authentic stuff.
21:29.22z_kcan you name a german store that sells it?  or any grocery?
21:30.18z_kwhat's cost plus? the california ver of CostCo ?
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21:31.03SportyGalz_k: you may be in the wrong part of the country - hold on...looking
21:31.22SportyGalno, costplus is a store that deals primarily in imports
21:31.36z_kSportyGal:  You mean my mojo isn't working??? *mock disbelief*
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21:33.07z_kstevek:  did you live in Germany?
21:34.32stevekz_k: nope, i'm a few generations out of germany
21:34.55stevekand ireland and italy and poland...
21:35.04stevekamericans are wierd....
21:35.06stevek:)
21:35.43SportyGalsheesh - I found a place that served spaetzle at the Cafe Frankfurt...
21:35.53SportyGalin Puerto Vallarta!  (*rolls her eyes)
21:37.27z_khmmm....let me go lean on the hotel staff its been at least an hour since I asked them an off the wall question that made them groan
21:37.29Nidhoggrtrepan: wings3d and anim8or on the mac?
21:37.32z_kcrazy americans
21:38.09Nidhoggr:)
21:38.24bryjenyou're not truely insane if you admit that you are
21:38.39steveki am definitly not insane then
21:38.43DTRemenakheh
21:38.54DTRemenakthree cheers for paradoxes
21:38.59stevekheh
21:39.18NidhoggrI'm only repeating the words of others.  "Nid, you are a loony."
21:39.21Nidhoggr:)
21:39.34stevekheh
21:39.57bryjen!dict loon
21:40.00guubryjen: web1913 and wn responded: web1913: Loon \Loon\, n. [Scot. loun, lown, loon; akin to OD. loen a stupid man; prob. for an older lown, and akin to E. lame.] A sorry fellow; a worthless person; a rogue; wn: loon n 1: a worthless lazy fellow 2: large somewhat primitive fish-eating diving bird of the northern hemisphere having webbed feet placed far back; related to the grebes [syn: (2 more messages)
21:40.15DTRemenak!dict loony
21:40.16guuDTRemenak: web1913 and wn responded: web1913: Loony \Loon"y\, a. See {Luny}; web1913: Luny \Lu"ny\, a. [Shortened fr. lunatic.] Crazy; mentally unsound. [Written also {loony}.] [Law, U.S.]; wn: loony adj : informal or slang terms for mentally irregular; "it used to drive my husband balmy" [syn: {balmy}, {barmy}, {bats}, {batty}, {bonkers}, {buggy}, {cracked}, {crackers}, {daft}, {dotty}, (1 more message)
21:40.32Nidhoggrmentally irregular.  I'll have to remember that.
21:40.35Nidhoggrit's so PC
21:40.39DTRemenakheh
21:40.41bryjenMmm.... crackers
21:41.07Nidhoggrmy fave is bat **** insane
21:41.17SportyGalz_k: do you know the st. georgen in Frankfurt?  their website says they serve Spätzle
21:41.21Nidhoggrnot sure where that came from, but I know a lot of people who are.
21:41.39bryjenguano?
21:41.42Nidhoggryep
21:41.48Nidhoggrbat guano insane!
21:41.54Nidhoggrthat has a nice ring to it.
21:42.02Nidhoggrhi amathis
21:42.13amathisciao Nidhoggr
21:42.36amathis:P
21:43.39NidhoggrI'm still in the photoshop 7 stone age.
21:43.40Nidhoggr:)
21:47.48z_kmy personal favorite for unusually normal A....B.....Normal
21:48.10bryjenAbby Normal
21:48.18JeffM2501man did sid write up one crapy server howto
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21:49.00z_kSportyGal:  Ok we have spaetzle ignition...how many bags?  Wiener Snietzle is a bad idea, I guess we are still embargoing their meat...that whole mad cow scare a while back
21:49.20Nidhoggrcrappy even
21:49.24Nidhoggr:)
21:49.29stevekJeffM2501, lol
21:49.32z_kalso I was advised by hotel staff customs would not be amused if I got caught
21:50.00stevekJeffM2501, have a link?
21:50.05JeffM2501bzbb
21:50.09stevekk
21:51.35z_kSportyGal:  i was joking about that, can't get spaetzle thing, I spoke in german to the waitress I thing it shocked here so much she forgot my side of spaetzle...I was really just making fun of myself for not being more assertive and asking again
21:52.18z_kSportGal:  I guess they are used to americans going in and demanding that they (germans) speak back to them in english
21:52.36SportyGalz_k: hrm - I had said I WASN'T serious - but how about $10 worth of Spätzle
21:52.57SportyGalz_k: oh!  hehe ok
21:53.05bryjendoes he not know how to link to pages on a web site?
21:53.28z_kI must've missed that....You are not the first requestor of Spaetzle so I figured that I could certainly pick some up for one more friend no problem
21:54.09SportyGalz_k: ask your wait-person if there is a place (local grocery, etc.) that actually sells Spätzle
21:54.13NidhoggrSportyGal: why not make some?
21:54.25SportyGalNidhoggr: I don't have a decent recipe
21:54.30crkohow do i load a python script into bzedit if anyone knows
21:54.31Nidhoggrah
21:54.32crko?
21:54.48SportyGalI DID find a really good recipe for wienerschnitzel
21:54.53z_kSportGal:  I just did and they provided a supplier that's why I asked how much you wanted
21:54.55bryjenthe bzflag.bz link is probly something learner did.  dated middle of last year too.
21:54.57SportyGalbut not Spätzle
21:55.06SportyGalz_k: who was the supplier?
21:55.13SportyGalcost plus carries Knorr
21:55.23z_kGrocery store across the street Toom Markt
21:55.41SportyGalz_k: here's cost plus, btw: http://www.costplus.com/index.htm
21:56.17z_kI still need to get my picture by the big E (european bank, we worship money type E)....Danke Sporty
21:57.28SportyGalz_k: you heading to the UK at all?
21:57.38SportyGalbitteschon
21:58.02z_kSorry not this trip, I will be in Malaysia in a few months, 5 star hotels are well within gov't rates yipeee...
21:58.10SportyGalhehe
21:59.30z_khehe...on your round the world trip?  When I went camping in Japan it cost me $30 a night...
22:00.03SportyGalz_k: that's WHY we didn't go to Japan on our trip
22:00.10SportyGaltoo much $$]
22:01.22z_kSportyGal:  heh, it's too bad things are so expensive there but they thought i was nuts when i told them the camp rates were too expensive. Some internet research proved this was correct.
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22:02.16z_kyeah it's not like you can sleep out in the street there's no space anywhwere, although I have done it...Missed the last train after climbing Fuji for the second time :(
22:02.18SportyGalz_k: we thought we were paying a fortune to pay A$15 for a campsite with hot shower in Australia.  (about US$10)
22:02.24SportyGaleek
22:03.34z_kSportGal:  It is ridiculous what campsites want these days.  I could stay in a hotel for what many of them charge for the privelege of sleeping on the hard ground.
22:08.29z_kNidhoggr:  Silly question, you mentioned photoshop 7, I assume you were talking about graphics work for bzflag.  is there a preferred program for graphics development in bzflag?  or is it a matter of personal pref?  Gimp, photshop, whatever other program
22:09.20Nidhoggrz_k: I wasn't speaking of bzflag... although we were previously.  apparently blender works.  I've just downloaded blender and am taking a look.
22:09.42GrumblerNidhoggr, run the tuturials....i found them useful, which is rare
22:10.50Nidhoggrcool
22:11.19z_kyou need something that does 3d modeling and rendering i take it
22:12.01Nidhoggryep
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22:12.25CrazyMaci cant get wxPython2.5-2.5.3.1-1_py2.3.src.rpm to install and pyOpenGL
22:12.29Nidhoggryou can use the old editor for windows, but it doesn't support the new features.
22:12.33BadBoyhi
22:12.33z_kany others which do this?
22:13.35BadBoy???
22:13.48Nidhoggrhello, BadBoy
22:14.18BadBoyhi, i thought it is anything not ok with my irc
22:14.30BadBoyno i know it is ok thx
22:14.56BadBoydid u saw the new bzflag.org site?
22:15.55Nidhoggrwhich new site
22:15.57Nidhoggr?
22:16.07BadBoyits cool, go there
22:16.16BadBoyhi birdie
22:16.19Nidhoggrwhat URL?
22:16.36z_kwhat's the license for blender? gpl, bsd, other?
22:16.49BadBoywww.bzflag.org then press legue
22:17.04BadBoysry league i ment
22:19.37z_kmaybe this is a stupid idea but has anyone ever thought about soundtrack music/score for bzflag?
22:20.12Nidhoggrheh
22:20.30NidhoggrI just fire up itunes on my bluegrass collection before running bzflag. :)
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22:21.11Nidhoggrblowing up tanks to the sound of a banjo and fiddles can be very satisfying.
22:21.23z_ki have trouble with the kernel scheduling sometimes when i do that it gets choppy here and there
22:21.56z_kI like bluegrass, grew up with it in the heartland
22:22.01Nidhoggr:)
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22:22.48Duojust a quick question, if anyone is available...probably been answered many times...
22:22.56z_kwhat kind of machine are you pick and a grinnin with Nid?
22:23.08z_koops pickin and a grinnin
22:23.12Nidhoggr12" powerbook G4.
22:23.35Duowhy dosent bzflag have SQL backend functionality?
22:23.39Duommmmmmmm powerbook.
22:23.48Nidhoggrduo: for what purpose?
22:23.50z_kproblems with choppiness doing that?
22:23.59Duocallsign reg, instead of plaintext files.
22:24.01Nidhoggrz_k: nope.
22:24.16Duojust curious. more than anything
22:24.25NidhoggrDuo: the new callsign reg does it with http to a listserver that uses a database.
22:24.38Nidhoggrand the callsign reg is global.
22:24.43Duoyes, but, suppose you want to run private, independant of that.
22:25.13z_k*grumbles and wonders how much longer he will be using a tp 600
22:25.20NidhoggrDuo: I've recommended similar for banfile and groups file, etc., since I often run a few servers.
22:25.37Nidhoggrwe'll probably see it eventually.
22:25.38BadBoygtg bye all
22:25.43Nidhoggrlater BadBoy
22:25.43z_kcu
22:25.50BadBoysee ya all at battlefield
22:26.11z_kits been too long since i irc'
22:26.18Duowell, id expand my use of the server, if I could tie registration and user management to a SQL db
22:26.19Nidhoggr:)
22:26.29Duothats the only reason I ask.
22:26.35Duothanks for answering.
22:26.38z_kirc'd forgot action code
22:26.41NidhoggrDuo: I agree.  I ran 3 or 4 servers at a time with a single set of files.
22:27.03CIA-1BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Fix inconsistency between local and remote score
22:27.37DuoNidhoggr. I know, and a centralized db maintained by someone else seems kinda contrary to being 'open source', but, granted, my opinion is somewhat uninformed, as I dont develop.
22:28.42Duoso, I figured, id ask.
22:28.55NidhoggrDuo: I agree that the central server idea needs to be made more flexible, so that people can easily run their own central server.
22:29.13Nidhoggrbut to have it at all is a big plus.
22:29.23Duoindeed.
22:29.32Tuponeall code that is in the listserver is opensource
22:29.40Tuponeso you could run your own
22:29.46Nidhoggrit'd be pretty easy to duplicate.
22:30.15Duoyeah, I didnt see much documentation, however...
22:30.24Duonot that I wouldnt be able to get it running
22:30.33Duoheh
22:30.50DuoI already have a game server that sucks all my R&D time to keep running =)
22:31.01TuponeIs all in cvs, and cvs is accessible from anyone with internet connection
22:31.13Duoso, was hoping for something a little more turnkey in this case =)
22:31.25Duobut, no matter.
22:31.31Tuponepatches welcome
22:31.39z_kwhat's wrong with Documentation Nid?
22:31.42Duothanks for the straightforward answers.
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22:32.02Nidhoggrz_k: it's often lacking. :)
22:33.41z_kmy experience with open/gpld/bsd documentation has been fantastic...in contrast the people who charge 200 to 3000 for their software usually write terrible manuals
22:34.48Nidhoggrheh
22:36.33z_keek i just saw the clock it's very late...I'll catch you all later I have to go check my eyelids for holes
22:36.50Nidhoggrtake care, z_k
22:36.54Nidhoggrnice chatting!
22:37.05z_klikewise cu
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22:43.33Shankohey
22:43.37Shankoi am downloading the game is it any good?
22:43.59bryjenmany think so
22:44.07Shankois it fun?>
22:44.19Aribethlots of fun
22:44.30Shankoonline with other people?
22:44.33DTRemenakthat's really an evaluation you'll have to make for yourself.  I find it very fun.
22:44.35Shankoriiight?
22:44.35blast007yup
22:44.40DTRemenakyes, online multiplayer
22:44.41Shankosweet
22:44.44Shankofun to me!
22:44.49blast007:)
22:44.57Shankocant wati till its done
22:45.01Shankoim dial up so it might eb awhile
22:45.06Shanko28 mins left
22:45.29Shankothe download link fron the main site is down
22:45.32Shankoso i used the mirror
22:47.09Aribethi have dsl
22:47.26Aribethbut i run several maps
22:47.29Shankoi wish i had dsl
22:47.52Shankowhat are binaries?
22:48.31Aribethwhat os are you running?
22:48.43Shankowindows
22:48.46Shankoxp
22:49.02Shankolol
22:49.32bryjenbut yet you still asked
22:49.35Shankoso i dont need to worry or what?
22:49.36Aribeththey are the executibles
22:49.46Aribethi did lol
22:50.02Shankoso i need em
22:50.04Shanko?
22:50.11Aribethyup
22:50.25Shankowhere do i get em?
22:51.06bryjenbinary files are the program files the computer actually runs.   the souce files are what's used to make the binaries.
22:51.35Shankothe binaries are smaller then the source right? O.o
22:52.14bryjenhttp://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.0.exe
22:52.19DTRemenakShanko, it depends :) If you're downloading bzflag-2.0.0.exe then you've got the right file.
22:52.25DTRemenakdang, bryjen beat me to it again.
22:52.43Shankooh
22:52.45Shankoi got the right file then
22:52.59Shankoso id ont need anything else?
22:53.02Aribethquick draw brygen
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22:54.24Aribethlol
22:54.50Shankosoooo i dont need anything now riiiiiiiight?
22:55.06Aribethyou shouldn't
22:55.12Shankocool
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22:56.05Shankoso do you make an account, or is it just an mmog?
22:56.29DTRemenakyou can choose to register or not to
22:56.38Shankocool, ill register then
22:56.51DTRemenakif you're not registered you won't be able to play on some servers, or vote to kick or ban evil people.
22:57.03DTRemenakhttp://my.bzflag.org/bb
22:57.06Shankoregister it is
22:57.06bryjenyou don't have to register.  but you can if you wish http://my.bzflag.org/bb/
22:57.16DTRemenakhah, beatcha this time :)
22:57.22blast007heeh
22:57.23blast007hehe*
22:57.31Shankohaha
22:57.40Aribethlol
22:57.40Shankothis game is gonna be cool
22:57.53bryjenblast007 has byte-ordering issues
22:57.56Legoguyyou bet it is
22:58.01blast007;)
22:58.03Aribethlots of maps to play on
22:58.07Shankobrb =D
22:58.19Legoguyseems like theres a lot of people on my map right now
22:58.58Legoguymy server's keyboard leds are blinking like mad ( i have them set up to relay network activity )
22:58.59Shankoi just click register, and it registers me on both f orums and game?
22:59.24bryjenyes, the forum is the registry for the game
22:59.57Shankocool
23:00.10Shanko10 more mins
23:00.23DTRemenakwhen you start the game and go to join a server, put the callsign and password that you registered with in the join menu, and it'll log you in automatically
23:00.49Shankocallsign? aka username right?
23:01.20DTRemenakyeah
23:01.27DTRemenakusername on the forums, callsign in the game
23:01.32DTRemenakthey're the same thing :)
23:01.37Shankothanks guys
23:01.57Shankoim guessing this game isnt full of jerks like gunbound
23:02.24DTRemenakheh.  well-administered servers aren't
23:02.25Shankoso you play like capture the flag?
23:02.39DTRemenakyou can play either team free for all, capture the flag, or rabbit hunt
23:02.58DTRemenaka lot of what you see and what you can do depends on what server you're playing on
23:03.17JeffM2501DTRemenak, can I ask you to edit another thing later when I finish it?
23:03.22JeffM2501it's bz related this time
23:03.32Shankosweet
23:03.35DTRemenakeverything from shot count, tank speed, game style, flags allowed, special effects, map, is all per-server
23:03.36Shankojeffery maher?
23:03.37Shankojumper?
23:03.40DTRemenakJeffM2501, sure
23:03.53Shankocool
23:03.59JeffM2501DTRemenak, I'm editing up the how to start a server thing sid6.7 did
23:04.09DTRemenakShanko, that's jeff myers, not maher
23:04.19Shankooh
23:04.22Shankonvm then
23:04.30DTRemenakJeffM2501, heh, ok
23:04.43DTRemenakit was pretty "wandery"
23:05.13JeffM2501yeah it mostly says "go read other things"
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23:05.28Aribethsid is havin a hard time right now
23:05.29JeffM2501and it's windows specific
23:05.37JeffM2501he seems rather angry
23:05.43DTRemenak"go read other things" is good advice actually :)
23:05.47JeffM2501it is
23:05.51Aribethhe had to put his dog down
23:05.53JeffM2501but I think it can just be said nicer
23:05.54Aribeth:((
23:05.57JeffM2501yeah I saw that sad :(
23:06.18JeffM2501I'm just editing up stuff and embelishing, and removing the all caps
23:06.48Aribethi think he just needs some time to get over it
23:06.57DTRemenakheh
23:06.59JeffM2501time heals those wounds
23:07.11DTRemenakheh about the all-caps, that is
23:07.12Aribethyup. been ther done that
23:09.20Shankosweet
23:09.22Shankoim gonna go play now
23:10.15DTRemenak:)
23:11.18CrazyMaci give up on this i dont need to edited my own map
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23:12.38DTRemenakCrazyMac, also realize that it's a plain-text format anyway.  You don't really need an editor, any text-editor will do the job.
23:12.46DTRemenakyou just can't see what you're doing :)
23:13.23CrazyMaci just cant get the stuff i needed for pybzedit install on my system
23:13.40DTRemenakwhat won't install?
23:13.45JeffM2501this is what I have so far
23:13.46JeffM2501http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/how_to_start_a_server.txt
23:13.50CrazyMacevery thing
23:15.22DTRemenakJeffM2501, sounds good so far
23:17.54JeffM2501where is bzfs installed by default on nix?
23:17.58JeffM2501with a make install?
23:18.38JeffM2501/usr/share/bin/games/bzflag/ ?
23:18.41DTRemenak<PROTECTED>
23:20.06DTRemenak<PROTECTED>
23:20.52CrazyMacwhy every thing on linux is harder then the stuff windows is easyer
23:21.01DTRemenak<PROTECTED>
23:21.05JeffM2501depends what your trying to do
23:21.35DTRemenakCrazyMac, it's just a lot less consistent, not necessarily harder.  There are lots more ways to do things.
23:21.47JeffM2501remote admin is easyer on linux
23:22.15DTRemenakthe way that works across all linuces tends to be kinda hard, because most of the fancy easy stuff is specific to a particular window manager or package manager or distro
23:22.34*** join/#bzflag Shanko (~cea926b0@webchat.bzflag.bz)
23:22.40Shankookay im back
23:22.56Shankoi need to know how to  chat?
23:23.02DTRemenakpress "n"
23:23.06Shankooh okay
23:23.07DTRemenak"m" to teamchat
23:23.14DTRemenak"." then arrow keys to private chat
23:23.14Shankoty
23:23.23Shankocan i get a list of these controlls?
23:23.36Shankofrom a plce or something
23:23.36DTRemenakyeah, options->input->keymapping should show you the list
23:23.44Shankooh okay thanks
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23:24.19shankoi forgot to ask one more thing
23:24.25DTRemenakheh
23:24.29shankohow do you make maps?
23:24.50DTRemenakhttp://bzflag.org/wiki/BZEditW32
23:24.58DTRemenakthat explains it :)
23:25.05shankoty
23:25.15*** join/#bzflag newbie_dont (~janko@dky14.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
23:25.17DTRemenakthere's a link to a tutorial on the bottom of that page
23:25.26shankookay
23:25.34JeffM2501tutorial URL may not be valid anymore if it's on artemis
23:25.41DTRemenakI moved it all to the wiki
23:25.42shankocya later guys
23:25.42shankoty
23:25.48JeffM2501ahh cool
23:26.01DTRemenakand edited it
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23:48.36redsoxfan90hia ll
23:48.39redsoxfan90**all
23:49.04Aribethhi
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23:53.29JeffM2501DTRemenak, ready for edits?
23:53.33JeffM2501http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/how_to_start_a_server.txt
23:53.36DTRemenaksure
23:53.53JeffM2501any any aditional info you wish to add please
23:54.01DTRemenakk
23:54.39PizbitJeffM2501: Line breaks *grin* :D (Yes I realise it's a draft)
23:54.58JeffM2501bzbb will auto wrap it

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