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| 00:03.40 | Sir_Lance | ~bzfquery camelot.myvnc.com:5154 |
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| 00:16.13 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you want to edit that text? or have me post it as a post on bzbb ( maybe in admin for now ) so we can edit it there? |
| 00:16.21 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, almost done :) |
| 00:16.29 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok, nevermind them |
| 00:18.18 | JeffM2501 | was I decently accurate? |
| 00:18.24 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 00:18.30 | JeffM2501 | huzah |
| 00:18.36 | DTRemenak | I've simplified in a couple places and expanded in others |
| 00:18.47 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 00:19.19 | DTRemenak | running "bzfs" on windows works just as well as "bzfs.exe", windows does the executable-extension thingy (.com .exe .bat .pif) |
| 00:19.32 | JeffM2501 | ahh yaeh |
| 00:19.34 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:19.58 | DTRemenak | and I noted that it's command not cmd on old windows' |
| 00:20.07 | JeffM2501 | screw old windows |
| 00:20.12 | JeffM2501 | they shouldn't be hosting |
| 00:20.21 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 00:20.30 | JeffM2501 | naw I'm not opinionated |
| 00:20.36 | DTRemenak | heh. I found that 98 ran a better server than 2k did :) |
| 00:20.56 | DTRemenak | less wierd network problems |
| 00:21.11 | JeffM2501 | odd |
| 00:21.15 | DTRemenak | but they shouldn't be using old windows' for other reasons :) |
| 00:21.18 | JeffM2501 | could be dirver related |
| 00:21.23 | DTRemenak | yeah, could be |
| 00:26.41 | DTRemenak | http://dtremenak.bakadigital.com/how_to_start_a_server.txt |
| 00:29.24 | tea|tree | ibot seen OoOoO |
| 00:29.26 | ibot | ooooo <~sodomy@247243.bhz.virtua.com.br> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-br, 5d 1h 27m 27s ago, saying: 'bando de hippie'. |
| 00:29.33 | tea|tree | uh? |
| 00:29.41 | tea|tree | ibot seen OoooO |
| 00:29.42 | ibot | ooooo <~sodomy@247243.bhz.virtua.com.br> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-br, 5d 1h 27m 43s ago, saying: 'bando de hippie'. |
| 00:29.46 | tea|tree | :o/ |
| 00:29.52 | tea|tree | wanna see the frooot |
| 00:29.52 | tea|tree | ;) |
| 00:29.54 | tea|tree | LoOpS |
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| 00:44.07 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, posted -> http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 00:44.32 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 00:46.12 | JeffM2501 | I added some boldness |
| 00:46.48 | JeffM2501 | and an authors section |
| 00:49.31 | JeffM2501 | porably should dump out what the defulat -d -d -d output looks like to show what is "good" |
| 00:53.18 | Aribeth | hi SporChick |
| 00:53.53 | Aribeth | SportChick* |
| 00:54.00 | SportChick | hiya Ari |
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| 00:57.36 | SportChick | Aribeth: I haven't seen tegan in ages! where is she? |
| 01:05.07 | Aribeth | sportchick, she has been sick. |
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| 01:32.32 | SportChick | Aribeth: awwww |
| 01:33.02 | Aribeth | she's had bronchitis |
| 01:33.14 | crko | how do i load python plugins into bzedit? |
| 01:33.19 | Aribeth | aww, that was nice |
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| 01:51.16 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 01:52.00 | blast007 | crko: you can't load plugins into bzedit, that was never implemented as far as I know |
| 01:52.12 | crko | ah ok thanks |
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| 02:02.35 | Silver2 | JeffM2501, I just have to mention that your comment about cable modem's being "shared bandwidth" is misleading. It suggests that other types of Internet connections are not shared bandwidth. |
| 02:02.44 | Silver2 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=28935#28935 <- here that is. |
| 02:03.54 | Silver2 | err... guess that could be Sid6.7 or DTRemenak's comment. |
| 02:04.24 | DTRemenak | Silver2, most cable providers don't provide a guaranteed minimum bandwidth, so you can be choked by your neighbors |
| 02:05.00 | DTRemenak | most DSL providers and certainly all trunk-line providers do gaurantee a bandwidth and sometimes a latency also |
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| 02:05.39 | DTRemenak | eek, too many Silvers. Silver1, did you catch what I said to Silver2? |
| 02:05.55 | JBdiGriz | In the same sense, dialup and DSL are not "shared" bandwidth from you to the provider. Cable modem bandwidth is shared amongst a set of customers. |
| 02:08.55 | SportChick | dumb screen borked on me again - what's the key for taking a screenshot? |
| 02:09.55 | DTRemenak | F5 |
| 02:11.23 | SportChick | okay, who do I email this thing to? |
| 02:11.57 | JBdiGriz | It depends on what you are trying to do. |
| 02:13.00 | SportChick | I'm trying to get someone to look at it and figure out why my text gets all garbled if I switch between tabbed chat windows |
| 02:14.23 | JBdiGriz | I think that's a known bug that's been fixed in CVS. Does it get ungarbled if you switch from window to fullscreen? |
| 02:15.07 | SportChick | dunno - is "w" fullscreen? |
| 02:16.36 | Pizbit | Nah, it's F1 |
| 02:16.37 | DTRemenak | SportChick, we've fixed that :) |
| 02:16.47 | JBdiGriz | I think the default for switching to fullscreen is f1 or something similar. |
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| 02:16.56 | SportChick | DTRemenak: that's good cuz it's so incredibly annoying I can't stand it |
| 02:16.57 | Pizbit | There's a 2.0.1? |
| 02:17.07 | DTRemenak | Pizbit, 2.0.1 is development |
| 02:17.14 | Pizbit | Ah |
| 02:17.39 | DTRemenak | SportChick, if Nidhoggr has his hostban stuff straightened out, I think that's the last thing we were really waiting on |
| 02:17.56 | SportChick | hrm - should I call him? |
| 02:18.03 | DTRemenak | heh, no that's alright |
| 02:18.24 | DTRemenak | noone else is around to release anyway, not to mention that I haven't even tried a windows build in more than a week |
| 02:19.06 | Silver1 | DTRemenak, nope. |
| 02:19.18 | DTRemenak | say what? |
| 02:19.37 | Silver1 | JBdiGriz, that is not true. Dialup is not shared up to a modem bank, then it connects to what? A shared T1 or something. |
| 02:19.44 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 02:19.57 | DTRemenak | here we go..."most cable providers don't provide a guaranteed minimum bandwidth, so you can be choked by your neighbors" |
| 02:20.03 | DTRemenak | "most DSL providers and certainly all trunk-line providers do gaurantee a bandwidth and sometimes a latency also" |
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| 02:20.46 | Silver1 | DTRemenak, they guarantee bandwidth between two points. I can set up a DSLAM with 50 subs at 2M sym, and use a single T1 for egress. |
| 02:21.00 | Silver1 | is that shared, or "dedicated"? |
| 02:21.09 | DTRemenak | speed varying by time of day is a much more common phenomenon for cable than for most other services |
| 02:21.13 | DTRemenak | and much more drastic |
| 02:21.32 | Silver1 | DTRemenak, that has nothing to do with the transport technology and everything to do with network design. |
| 02:21.35 | DTRemenak | I've got a friend on a "5 mbit" cable connection, and it is, at 3am. at 5pm it's more like 500kb |
| 02:21.36 | JBdiGriz | Silver1: It is not shared from the customer to the provider, which is what I stated. |
| 02:21.47 | DTRemenak | exactly, it's got to do with network design |
| 02:21.53 | Silver1 | JBdiGriz, that is true. |
| 02:22.05 | Silver1 | It doesn't amount to much in the end though, does it/ |
| 02:22.06 | Silver1 | ? |
| 02:22.07 | JBdiGriz | It is the network design. That's the real difference between all of them. |
| 02:22.24 | JBdiGriz | Actually, depending on your location, it can mean a lot in the end. |
| 02:22.25 | Silver1 | yup. You will find people with DSL that will tell you it slows down during peak times. |
| 02:22.53 | DTRemenak | Silver1, an order of magnitude difference is huge, and makes a big difference when running a server |
| 02:22.54 | JBdiGriz | That's typically the response from the servers, not the bandwidth available. |
| 02:22.57 | Silver1 | And the same testimony from cable. |
| 02:23.16 | JBdiGriz | Cable is the bandwidth available, as well as response from the servers. |
| 02:23.51 | Silver1 | DTRemenak, huh? If there is X bandwidth available on a DOCSIS bus, and X/subs > desired bandwidth then it doesn't matter. |
| 02:24.18 | DTRemenak | Silver1, talking about player counts, to refer back to the original statement... |
| 02:24.38 | DTRemenak | if you're only able to pull 500kb on your 5mb line you're not going to support as many people at that time of day |
| 02:24.41 | Silver1 | It's all about design. On DSL, instead of 2 shared circuits (DOCSIS and egress), there is 1 shared and 1 dedicated. If one is oversubscribed you have the same problem. |
| 02:24.41 | JeffM2501 | silver1, that is true, but it is the most common form of shared bandwith |
| 02:25.00 | JeffM2501 | usualy DSLs aren't shared as much and have a min bandwith |
| 02:25.19 | Silver1 | hehe... because they aren't as popular, not always by design. ;) |
| 02:25.21 | JeffM2501 | but please feel free to commonet on it |
| 02:25.21 | DTRemenak | Silver1, I don't know about where you live, but around here DSL has a guaranteed minimum which is equal to the cap :) |
| 02:25.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah I have a min that I get |
| 02:25.42 | JeffM2501 | all the time |
| 02:25.45 | DTRemenak | cable tends to advertise by the cap and the minimum is way less |
| 02:25.48 | Silver1 | bah, I didn't want to stir up a never ending cable vs. dsl on the forum (and yet I had to say something, so I did it here) ;) |
| 02:26.28 | Silver1 | JeffM2501, I'm a network engineer for Charter. Many of our systems consistently get better than the "advertised" cap. |
| 02:27.39 | Silver1 | We also have purchased additional egress circuits WELL below capacity, which I know of DSL providers that don't do that. |
| 02:27.51 | Silver1 | I've also worked for cable providers that oversubscribe the hell out of their network. |
| 02:28.08 | DTRemenak | a lot depends on the provider, so maybe I'm biased by only having experience on SBC (and lessees) and Comcast |
| 02:28.32 | Silver1 | that was my only point. People often blame the technology when they ought to blame the provider. |
| 02:28.37 | JBdiGriz | ISP's which don't provide service are consistently going out of business. If that's their business model, I wouldn't work with them. |
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| 02:28.57 | JeffM2501 | silver1 ohh yeah I get way more then my cap :) |
| 02:29.01 | Sir_Lance | Is a local.groups file needed for central registration server? |
| 02:29.13 | Silver1 | JeffM2501, is that sarcasm? ;) |
| 02:29.17 | JeffM2501 | but I'd just mention it if you feel it's important for somone hosting a game to know |
| 02:29.31 | JeffM2501 | no no I get like 6 megs down totaly and I'm suposed to be caped at 3 |
| 02:29.37 | Silver1 | bah. I don't think anyone that wants to host should use cable or DSL. hehe |
| 02:29.38 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:29.44 | DTRemenak | Silver1, you're probably right there |
| 02:29.50 | JeffM2501 | that may be something worth mentioning |
| 02:29.51 | Silver1 | they should colo or get a TDM circuit or metro ethernet. |
| 02:30.05 | JBdiGriz | and definitely not wireless.... |
| 02:30.08 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:30.09 | Silver1 | lord no. |
| 02:30.44 | Silver1 | cracks me up when I hear people say wireless and satellite is the way of the future. |
| 02:30.49 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 02:31.00 | JBdiGriz | It's fine for browsing and email. |
| 02:31.13 | Sir_Lance | Is a local.groups file needed for central registration server? |
| 02:31.33 | DTRemenak | Sir_Lance, what are you talking about? |
| 02:31.37 | Silver1 | Sir_Lance, I don't understand your question. |
| 02:31.55 | Sir_Lance | well im still having the Centrum registration problem with my camelot server |
| 02:31.59 | Silver1 | Can tanks spawn anywhere besides on the "ground" ? |
| 02:32.26 | DTRemenak | Silver1, is that a serious question? I'm getting confused here :) |
| 02:35.01 | Silver1 | DTRemenak, it is. I set a safety zone to have a sizeZ of 200 in an area that there are boxes, and tanks don't seem to ever spawn on the boxes. |
| 02:35.08 | DTRemenak | if -sb is on they can spawn on box (and mesh?) buildings |
| 02:35.14 | Sir_Lance | where can I find 2.0 BZFS documentation? |
| 02:35.31 | Silver1 | Sir_Lance, http://my.bzflag.org/cgi-bin/man/man2html?6+bzfs |
| 02:36.54 | Silver1 | wonder why it isn't working. I'll watch a little longer, maybe odds have just been against it (overlord server) |
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| 02:52.42 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: Is it possible to have multiple moderators of the usergroups? |
| 03:06.40 | SportChick | JBdiGriz: it's my understanding that it is not possible to have multiple moderators of usergroups |
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| 03:16.19 | JeffM2501 | jbd no ther eis not |
| 03:19.36 | JeffM2501 | best thing to do in that case is make a bzbb account for admining it and give it out to those you want to have the perms |
| 03:19.39 | bryjen | it was my impression that cable operates more like hubbed ethernet (one collision broadcast/domain) and DSL like switched |
| 03:19.49 | JeffM2501 | or wait |
| 03:20.44 | bryjen | whoops slashed in the wrong spot there |
| 03:21.05 | bryjen | eh, and missed the conversation by an hour :( |
| 03:21.35 | JeffM2501 | no, there is not a way, they only do 1 per group, in phpbb |
| 03:21.39 | JeffM2501 | unless tthere is a patch |
| 03:21.50 | JeffM2501 | if you can find the patch I can apply it |
| 03:24.35 | JBdiGriz | I should look for a patch, that seems like an obvious thing to do, and they allow it in the forums. |
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| 03:29.00 | Silver1 | http://www.phpbbhacks.com/download/1289 ? |
| 03:30.11 | Silver1 | http://www.phpbbhacks.com/download/2313 -> Karma, possible tie in with future karma system? |
| 03:31.40 | JBdiGriz | I'll defer to Silver1's searching capabilities. That looks like what we want. ;) |
| 03:32.17 | Silver1 | I'm not sure though... its not entirely clear. |
| 03:33.08 | bryjen | i found something. page has disappeared tho. yeay for google cache |
| 03:33.15 | bryjen | http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:pX0ccSpyv5EJ:www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D104463+phpbb+multiple+group+moderators&hl=en |
| 03:35.32 | Silver1 | bryjen, archive.org is nice too |
| 03:38.40 | bryjen | "key features currently in place in 2.2 CVS". not exactly a patch then... |
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| 03:51.07 | Legoguy | team colors go red (1) green (2) blue (3) and purple (4) right? |
| 03:55.27 | cods | yes |
| 03:55.44 | cods | first 3 are easy to remember: RGB |
| 03:57.06 | Tegan | Legoguy: find enum TeamColor in global.h |
| 03:59.26 | shorty114 | rgbp |
| 03:59.29 | shorty114 | hmmm...i don't think so |
| 03:59.44 | shorty114 | we gotta make a word out of rgbp |
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| 04:04.36 | Silver1 | bryjen, that looks like a complete install (modified phpbb installation) |
| 04:05.01 | Legoguy | what would i need in the bzw file to make the wall higher, doesn't say anythign about that in man bzw |
| 04:07.47 | Silver1 | Legoguy, size x y z |
| 04:07.51 | Silver1 | Z is hieght. |
| 04:08.13 | Legoguy | ah |
| 04:08.21 | Legoguy | so |
| 04:08.31 | Legoguy | 800 800 100 for 100 unit high walls? |
| 04:08.57 | Legoguy | or is that xyz from center (in other words 400 400 100) |
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| 04:09.51 | Legoguy | hmmph. what's the _default_ wall height :P |
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| 04:10.09 | SilverFox | there is no default. you have to specify. if you don't it won't show up at all. |
| 04:10.43 | Legoguy | oh |
| 04:10.44 | Legoguy | heh |
| 04:11.02 | Legoguy | any way to make the mountains appear higher? |
| 04:11.49 | Legoguy | i mean, make their bottoms at say Z 100? |
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| 04:21.07 | SilverFox | mountains? Are you doing a mesh, or pyrs? |
| 04:21.30 | Legoguy | Silver1: are you _sure_ that that's how you set the wall size? it's not doing anythiung |
| 04:21.52 | Legoguy | you know, the background, the textures beyond the walls |
| 04:22.03 | Legoguy | "mountains", "landscape" |
| 04:22.43 | bryjen | and he's talking about the border wall around the map |
| 04:23.47 | Legoguy | yes. |
| 04:24.08 | Legoguy | i |
| 04:24.30 | Legoguy | i've seen it done on trepan's snowman map, where the walls were higher |
| 04:24.40 | Legoguy | if only i had saved it :P |
| 04:24.57 | bryjen | i seem to remember someone running a server with the wall removed somehow. donno if that was a standard feature or a modification thought |
| 04:25.40 | Legoguy | trepan: you around? |
| 04:26.04 | Legoguy | bryjen: wouldn't that be a client modification though? |
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| 04:27.34 | Silver1 | Legoguy, hehe... not what I was talking about. ignore me. |
| 04:27.49 | bryjen | maybe. unless the code for changing it is all there except for the support in the world file :( |
| 04:28.17 | Legoguy | src/bzfs/BZWReader.cxx: float wallHeight = BZDB.eval(StateDatabase::BZDB_WALLHEIGHT); |
| 04:28.35 | Legoguy | maybe it's wallHeight in the world object? |
| 04:29.31 | Legoguy | hmm. maybe not |
| 04:29.47 | bryjen | _wallHeight bzdb variable |
| 04:29.49 | Legoguy | wait, is it a /set option? |
| 04:29.50 | Legoguy | ahaha |
| 04:30.50 | bryjen | you could put it in a map's "options" section |
| 04:31.32 | bryjen | hehe |
| 04:31.57 | bryjen | in BZFlag, not only is the world flat, its square :) |
| 04:32.08 | bryjen | always |
| 04:32.41 | TimRiker | aren't we all a little square? |
| 04:34.43 | sgk284 | TimRiker, have a minute? |
| 04:36.25 | Legoguy | yeah, that's what i did. anywho. so about those mountains.. |
| 04:39.04 | Legoguy | anyway, you can see what i'm doing at turbogfx.homelinux.org:5159. it's the caverns map + normal overlord map. and it now has grass on top, and you can get out of the caverns without wings... |
| 04:40.07 | TimRiker | sgk284: sure, busy, bot mostly here.. |
| 04:43.54 | sgk284 | whats your thoughts on decentralizing all of bzfs, i think i might write it up in more detail on bzbb, but essentially... bzflag can grab maps through http (right? if not, that can be accomplished), my.bzflag.org can have a simple php page and when passed an arg like "Secretplace_Config_1" it'll respond with the config for the server and even possibly user names and their groups. The map can point to a valid url, and the only thing missing would be - |
| 04:43.54 | sgk284 | password. I assume anything else in the config can be made public simply because you can always figure out the config just by joining a server |
| 04:44.43 | sgk284 | essentially to run bzfs then you'd really only need to do something like 'bzfs -password changeme -config "default_config1"' |
| 04:44.59 | sgk284 | and no group or user info would reside on the actual machine running the server |
| 04:45.14 | sgk284 | itd require a bit of effort, but not too much |
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| 04:45.31 | brlcad | there've been thoughts to do that for the maps |
| 04:45.44 | brlcad | pull them from remote urls |
| 04:45.54 | sgk284 | yea, and hopefully textures too:) |
| 04:46.07 | brlcad | yeah, that too eventually |
| 04:46.21 | brlcad | and that naturally leads to config files too down the road |
| 04:46.34 | sgk284 | okay, so this has been borught up before? :) |
| 04:47.00 | brlcad | though the rules of precedence when values are in map, config, vars, and cmdline haven't been spelled out |
| 04:47.07 | sgk284 | i was going to start tinkering with bzfs reading a config from a php page and figured why not throw group information in with it |
| 04:47.13 | brlcad | only one really makes sense, but it needs to be written down ;) |
| 04:47.13 | sgk284 | get everything into a central location |
| 04:47.43 | brlcad | well groups and users sort of already are .. bzbb global auth et al |
| 04:47.59 | sgk284 | err sorry, by groups i meant group perms |
| 04:48.13 | sgk284 | users yea, they are already taken care of |
| 04:49.08 | brlcad | group perms "could" just as easily come from bzbb (or some web-based CMS) |
| 04:49.23 | Legoguy | what i see as a big problem is that if you don't have a -password specified for your bzfs and if my.bzflag.org/bb ever goes down, say goodbye to logging in |
| 04:49.35 | Legoguy | it would be a pain to convert it back all to local login |
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| 04:50.03 | JBdiGriz | Luckily my.bzflag.org is hosted on a big site, and should easily be replicatable. |
| 04:50.05 | brlcad | requires writing modules though |
| 04:50.17 | sgk284 | legoguy, well i guess redundancy would be one backup measure |
| 04:50.22 | sgk284 | brlcad, agreed |
| 04:50.57 | sgk284 | Legoguy, what happens now if your using purely global logins like secretplace does and don't specify a password? |
| 04:51.07 | Legoguy | you can't do anything |
| 04:51.12 | Legoguy | can't even start playing |
| 04:51.22 | brlcad | Legoguy: wouldn't be hard for someone to write a -sync option or something to record user groups/permissions as a fall-back when bb is down |
| 04:51.23 | Legoguy | because your nick is registered |
| 04:51.24 | sgk284 | well you can, just wont be registered |
| 04:51.41 | Legoguy | well, yeah. you're right |
| 04:51.49 | Legoguy | but no admins would be able to log in |
| 04:51.50 | brlcad | Silver2: shame on you for disabling local auth on hepcat :P |
| 04:51.57 | sgk284 | we could always make -password required |
| 04:52.04 | sgk284 | :) |
| 04:52.14 | Legoguy | but that's a security risk imo |
| 04:52.20 | sgk284 | really? |
| 04:52.23 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: We're working on making you a cop. ;) |
| 04:52.25 | Legoguy | what if someone manages to get ahold of some old config files |
| 04:52.25 | sgk284 | how so? |
| 04:52.35 | Legoguy | there's the password, plain as day |
| 04:52.52 | brlcad | JBdiGriz: afaik, I'm already listed as one of the admins -- but I will not globally auth |
| 04:52.54 | JeffM2501 | thats why using -password is bad |
| 04:53.02 | Legoguy | if nothing else maybe we should require it to be pre-encoded with some crypto algorithm or another. |
| 04:53.05 | JeffM2501 | perms keep the password safe |
| 04:53.07 | bryjen | if you're not using a userdb, it won't even know who's registered, so anyone can play. Just no extra perms for anyone |
| 04:53.11 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, any code? |
| 04:53.16 | brlcad | nope :( |
| 04:53.21 | JeffM2501 | the bastage |
| 04:53.26 | JBdiGriz | Why not globally auth? |
| 04:54.24 | brlcad | I'm stubborn |
| 04:54.33 | sgk284 | lol |
| 04:55.23 | brlcad | I am opposed to it being required on any server as a sole auth means |
| 04:56.53 | brlcad | the auth system still needs some work though, and security is incredibly weak |
| 04:57.11 | JBdiGriz | True, but it is only a game. |
| 04:57.19 | brlcad | very true |
| 05:02.50 | TimRiker | sgk284: hmm. however you started out asking to de-centralize, but you are talking about centralizing no? |
| 05:04.16 | TimRiker | there is a clear need for a backup size for the db. it's just not been worked on yet. |
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| 05:04.54 | TimRiker | I left space in the token field to include a server identifier. I imaging that it will go something like this: |
| 05:05.39 | TimRiker | the list server url will include a hostname that resolves to more that one machine. ie: list.bzflag.org could be both secretplace and someother. |
| 05:06.07 | TimRiker | servers would do dns lookups and then send ADDs to _all_ IPs. |
| 05:06.43 | TimRiker | client would do a token request from _one_ of the servers and get a token that includes the name of the server it got the request from. |
| 05:06.52 | sgk284 | TimRiker, yea, my bad i meant centralize |
| 05:07.07 | TimRiker | server would verify a token only with the server that granted the token. |
| 05:07.47 | TimRiker | that way we don't need to sync most db transactions. user and group administration would still only happen on on the primary server. |
| 05:08.18 | TimRiker | so when the primary is down, servers are still listed and you can still get tokens and confirm groups. |
| 05:08.41 | sgk284 | okay |
| 05:08.51 | TimRiker | however you could not change passwords, or add/remove folks from groups till the primary comes back online (or gets replaced) |
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| 05:09.49 | sgk284 | i think that would work out nicely |
| 05:09.58 | brlcad | TimRiker: it could be set up as a network of peers so it really won't matter who is down |
| 05:10.16 | TimRiker | brlcad: multiple masters greatly complicates the equation. |
| 05:10.22 | brlcad | just need timestamping of updates and a means to share those |
| 05:10.45 | TimRiker | this way all the slaves just pull everything but tokens. |
| 05:11.28 | TimRiker | since they have all the data anyway, it's a simple matter for a human to delegate a new master if need requires. |
| 05:13.22 | brlcad | i really don't see how it's that complicated to work out at all but whatever, I'm not going to work on it any time soon either |
| 05:13.33 | TimRiker | I expect the slaves would mirror the forums too as a backup. |
| 05:13.46 | TimRiker | brlcad: =) |
| 05:21.46 | Silver1 | brlcad, use a routing protocol as a template. |
| 05:22.14 | Silver1 | or maybe vtp |
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| 05:28.16 | sgk284 | TimRiker, why not just mirror the db to like 3 masters and use like a round robin kinda thing |
| 05:28.27 | sgk284 | if one goes down, 2 are still slipping back and forth |
| 05:28.51 | sgk284 | sync the DBs like once every hour or something |
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| 05:30.31 | Silver2 | http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/Round_Robin_DNS.html |
| 05:31.35 | brlcad | Silver1: it's all in the db sync that we're referring to |
| 05:31.44 | brlcad | getting multiple to respond doesn't take any work |
| 05:33.09 | brlcad | sgk284: that's exactly what I was referring to |
| 05:33.31 | TimRiker | sgk284: ok. imagine having 2 or three hosts running phpbb. now post a message. where does it go? |
| 05:33.33 | brlcad | cept once an hour is a bit too sparse for my taste |
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| 05:33.50 | TimRiker | now somebody posts on another server and gets the same msg#. |
| 05:33.54 | TimRiker | not try to sync. |
| 05:34.03 | TimRiker | we s/not/now/ |
| 05:34.29 | brlcad | hrm, I was only refering to list server services |
| 05:34.47 | brlcad | who cares if the bb is down .. we just need the users/groups |
| 05:34.48 | sgk284 | brlcad, list server including user authentication? |
| 05:35.08 | sgk284 | yea i dont care about posts... its just being able to verify i am who i say i am :) |
| 05:35.29 | sgk284 | for that whenever someone regsiters just send the info 3 ways :) |
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| 05:35.47 | sgk284 | its not like people register so frequently it'd overload anything |
| 05:36.38 | sgk284 | unless bb is so intertwined with the user/groups that they can't be separated :/ |
| 05:36.43 | sgk284 | oh okay |
| 05:37.09 | TimRiker | currently we use the phpbb user table directly. that means that group edits etc are instant. |
| 05:37.54 | sgk284 | k |
| 05:39.22 | brlcad | TimRiker: list server X gets some player join update, that gets stashed with a timestamp -- server syncs may then be "give me everything since date/time" |
| 05:40.11 | TimRiker | brlcad: implying that servers are only doing ADDs on one server? |
| 05:40.43 | brlcad | they only do add's on list.bzflag.org .. that gets round-robined via dns to various machines |
| 05:41.01 | brlcad | those machines sync up every few minutes with each other |
| 05:41.25 | brlcad | that way any list server can fall out so long as one exists |
| 05:41.32 | brlcad | and all updates should preserve |
| 05:41.59 | TimRiker | so server B says I have and add for server foo that was 10 minutes ago, but server B says I have an expire for server foo from 9 minutes ago. now server foo which has always been doing adds gets expired anyway. |
| 05:42.37 | brlcad | server foo gets expired? |
| 05:42.51 | TimRiker | all servers get expired if they don't do adds. |
| 05:43.38 | TimRiker | else crashed servers live forever. |
| 05:43.56 | brlcad | that only implies the sync time needs to be less than the expiration time |
| 05:45.04 | brlcad | if any server had an add for server foo less than 9 minutes ago, it would need to prevail regardless |
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| 05:46.55 | TimRiker | it also means that the list servers need to sync as often as the busiest servers do ADDs else the player counts are wrong all the time. |
| 05:47.42 | TimRiker | having server do ADDs to each list server fixes that. It does mean more requests with smaller bytesize though. |
| 05:48.28 | brlcad | I'd imagine you'd want the list servers syncing with each other every minute |
| 05:48.43 | brlcad | so at worst, you're off by just one or two player |
| 05:49.05 | brlcad | the bandwidth is petty |
| 05:52.03 | brlcad | that should also scale very well to huge player activity |
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| 05:56.14 | sgk284 | http://typogenerator.net/temp/small_typoGenerator_1107842065.jpg |
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| 05:58.43 | jpa_ | morning |
| 05:58.49 | sgk284 | morning jpa |
| 05:59.08 | sgk284 | this is another interesting one: http://typogenerator.net/temp/small_typoGenerator_1107842318.jpg |
| 06:00.13 | sgk284 | :/ |
| 06:00.18 | sgk284 | what about the first one? |
| 06:00.39 | sgk284 | ugh, thats not very fun |
| 06:00.47 | sgk284 | when they say temp, they mean temp |
| 06:00.49 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:00.59 | TimRiker | brlcad: perhaps. |
| 06:03.07 | creeperz | JeffM2501: Valdemort? |
| 06:03.17 | JeffM2501 | umm one that's not copyright |
| 06:03.25 | JeffM2501 | that'd be a good start |
| 06:03.35 | JeffM2501 | and a proper human name |
| 06:03.48 | MeBigFatGuy | pete ? |
| 06:04.26 | JeffM2501 | pete what? |
| 06:04.41 | brlcad | pan? |
| 06:05.16 | JeffM2501 | I'mmm a gonna say... no |
| 06:05.23 | brlcad | Bob |
| 06:05.40 | sgk284 | pete rose? :) |
| 06:05.52 | brlcad | from his evil planet, planet bob |
| 06:05.55 | sgk284 | woah... google started including images with their regular web search... |
| 06:06.01 | JeffM2501 | no the evil planet is earth |
| 06:06.03 | sgk284 | at least on my subnet |
| 06:06.15 | JeffM2501 | so far I have omni-general george foreman jr. |
| 06:06.20 | sgk284 | lol |
| 06:11.13 | MeBigFatGuy | pete the overlord of course |
| 06:11.36 | MeBigFatGuy | the prince of heck |
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| 06:13.41 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: Gorthaur |
| 06:13.58 | JeffM2501 | last name? or first name? |
| 06:14.17 | sgk284 | ~x en de evil overlord |
| 06:14.28 | sgk284 | there ya go :) |
| 06:14.39 | JeffM2501 | this would be the current holder of the office of Presendent of the Central Terran Republic |
| 06:14.44 | JeffM2501 | but it's not realy a republic |
| 06:14.56 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: firstname. means "evil dread". another name for sauron from the first age. |
| 06:15.09 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 06:15.17 | JeffM2501 | well don't think a mom would name her child that |
| 06:15.26 | TimRiker | depends on the mom. |
| 06:15.30 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:15.30 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 06:15.38 | JeffM2501 | I could jsut pick one of all your names |
| 06:15.51 | JeffM2501 | David Trobridge allreay discoverd the warpgate |
| 06:16.02 | JeffM2501 | and scanline's an astronaut |
| 06:16.08 | MeBigFatGuy | Beelzebub |
| 06:16.16 | JeffM2501 | first diagnosed case of "space insanity" |
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| 06:17.27 | TimRiker | William Doors? |
| 06:17.45 | JeffM2501 | that sounds more good then evil |
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| 06:17.53 | JeffM2501 | tht can be the bank chairman |
| 06:18.11 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 06:18.21 | JeffM2501 | bill gates dosn't just sound evil |
| 06:18.21 | brlcad | gill bates ? |
| 06:18.25 | JeffM2501 | in a name |
| 06:18.36 | JeffM2501 | how can you hate somone named Gill? |
| 06:18.42 | TimRiker | easily |
| 06:18.54 | JeffM2501 | "hey, I'm Gill, how ya doing?" |
| 06:18.56 | JeffM2501 | see |
| 06:18.59 | JeffM2501 | taht's not evil |
| 06:19.03 | sgk284 | wow anyone know where this background is available? http://saturos.de/stuff/screen21.jpg |
| 06:19.03 | TimRiker | see, already you annoy me. |
| 06:19.31 | JeffM2501 | sgk284: on that guys computer |
| 06:19.37 | sgk284 | lol |
| 06:20.06 | TimRiker | or at least it was. might be deleted now. |
| 06:20.45 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:24.58 | MeBigFatGuy | Sisyphus |
| 06:27.11 | TimRiker | ~spell Sisyphus |
| 06:27.12 | ibot | 'Sisyphus' may be spelled correctly |
| 06:27.18 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:27.36 | MeBigFatGuy | he's got to be ready for a career change by now |
| 06:27.56 | learner | Drakón |
| 06:28.21 | TimRiker | ~dict Sisyphus |
| 06:29.38 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: A young lad named Gill Bates would just be laughed at. |
| 06:29.47 | JeffM2501 | that is true |
| 06:29.52 | jpa_ | umm.. if sisyphus was rolling the boulder.. wouldn't he get smashed under it when it starts rolling backwards? :) |
| 06:30.16 | JBdiGriz | Supposedly he would push it to the top, and it would roll down the other side. |
| 06:30.43 | jpa_ | oh |
| 06:30.45 | jpa_ | how clever |
| 06:30.49 | wegstar | ha |
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| 06:31.00 | PvtMalarkey | Hi there |
| 06:31.00 | JBdiGriz | Those Greeks had some interesting punishments |
| 06:31.05 | TimRiker | http://bzflag.saturos.de/screens/pages/imag0003.jpg.html heh |
| 06:31.28 | JeffM2501 | they made shirts |
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| 06:31.30 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 06:31.32 | PvtMalarkey | Anyone able to solve sound problems on linux 2.0 clients? |
| 06:31.41 | JeffM2501 | not bad shirts ether |
| 06:31.45 | jpa_ | JBdiGriz: they should have put phydrv linear 0 0 50 on that hill :E |
| 06:31.58 | MeBigFatGuy | if Sisyphus pushed the rock up the one side at 10mph how fast would it have to roll down the other side so that the average over the whole trip is 20mph |
| 06:32.03 | jpa_ | PvtMalarkey: no, i have not had any :) |
| 06:32.22 | PvtMalarkey | Grr, when playing sounds get played repeatedly, annoying |
| 06:32.46 | JeffM2501 | what soundcard? |
| 06:32.57 | JeffM2501 | and have you tried all the SDL driver options? |
| 06:33.07 | PvtMalarkey | NForce Soundchip. |
| 06:33.12 | JBdiGriz | That sounds like a problem that used to be on non-SDL builds. |
| 06:33.21 | PvtMalarkey | SDL what-options? I found no docs @bzflag.org |
| 06:33.32 | JeffM2501 | you using an SDL build? |
| 06:33.44 | PvtMalarkey | after configure the script said "SDL yes" |
| 06:33.52 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 06:33.59 | JeffM2501 | then in your config you have a sound driver line |
| 06:34.06 | PvtMalarkey | mkay |
| 06:34.14 | JeffM2501 | you can set options in there to tell SDL to use difernt drvers |
| 06:34.17 | PvtMalarkey | something like device=/dev/dsp? |
| 06:34.24 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 06:34.25 | JeffM2501 | like oss |
| 06:34.27 | JeffM2501 | alsa |
| 06:34.28 | JeffM2501 | esd |
| 06:34.29 | jpa_ | sounds like irq problems to me.. |
| 06:34.31 | JeffM2501 | that kinda stuff |
| 06:34.49 | PvtMalarkey | But in gui I can set device and driver |
| 06:35.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah that just sets the config |
| 06:35.10 | JeffM2501 | all that does is set environment variables for SDL |
| 06:35.13 | PvtMalarkey | I already tried alsa (driver) and /dev/dsp (device), same thing |
| 06:35.23 | JeffM2501 | so then yes you did try the SDL options |
| 06:35.41 | JeffM2501 | what drivers does your chipset/driver/distro have? |
| 06:35.49 | jpa_ | MeBigFatGuy: eww.. i can't calculate that.. |
| 06:36.03 | PvtMalarkey | I'm running alsa, does also emulate oss |
| 06:36.09 | MeBigFatGuy | jpa_, it's one of my favs |
| 06:36.17 | jpa_ | MeBigFatGuy: yes.. evil |
| 06:36.35 | PvtMalarkey | XMMS and other media apps run fine, no distortion... |
| 06:36.36 | JeffM2501 | then it should work |
| 06:36.39 | jpa_ | MeBigFatGuy: sounds totally possible :P |
| 06:36.45 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosnt' realy do much with sound, we just pass it off to SDL |
| 06:36.51 | JeffM2501 | you may want to check out the SDL docs |
| 06:36.59 | JeffM2501 | and see what options they may have |
| 06:37.04 | PvtMalarkey | mkay, I'll have a look, thanks so far... |
| 06:37.17 | JeffM2501 | I know sound on linux works for others, so it is probably just your setup or something. |
| 06:37.40 | PvtMalarkey | Yeah, worked for 1.x bzflag, but not anymore |
| 06:37.44 | TimRiker | sgk284: http://bzflag.saturos.de/fun/bzwps.zip |
| 06:37.51 | JeffM2501 | 1.x disn't use SDL |
| 06:37.57 | JeffM2501 | your 2.0 is using SDL |
| 06:37.59 | PvtMalarkey | I know *g* |
| 06:38.05 | JeffM2501 | you can build 2.0 without SDL |
| 06:38.06 | JeffM2501 | if you wish |
| 06:38.13 | JeffM2501 | then it'll use the same old system |
| 06:39.08 | PvtMalarkey | does sdl autodetect installed sound options, has it preferences? (e.g. 1.ecasound, 2.oss, 3.alsa if all are installed) |
| 06:41.28 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 06:41.56 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it uses environmnet variables to know what to do, with some sort of default order if nothing is set. |
| 06:43.31 | PvtMalarkey | Wouldn't be that hard to solve, think so. Thanks again, cu |
| 06:46.23 | sgk284 | ~TimRiker++ |
| 06:46.25 | sgk284 | awesome:) |
| 06:46.37 | sgk284 | `ls`, thanks |
| 06:46.49 | jpa_ | ~sgk284++ |
| 06:46.54 | sgk284 | hehe |
| 06:47.01 | jpa_ | for being nice to poor tim with bad karma :) |
| 06:48.34 | sgk284 | heh |
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| 06:54.18 | Silver1 | JeffM2501, did you get a chance to look at that phpbb hack? |
| 06:54.31 | `ls` | http://www.spreadshirt.de/shop.php?sid=16011 |
| 06:54.37 | JeffM2501 | what php hack? |
| 06:54.50 | learner | damn comcast |
| 06:56.03 | Silver1 | [19:25] <Silver1> http://www.phpbbhacks.com/download/1289 ? |
| 06:56.20 | Silver1 | yes, damn them. And damn cable empires in general! |
| 06:56.53 | JeffM2501 | it's old |
| 06:56.58 | JeffM2501 | wasn't made for .11 |
| 06:57.05 | JeffM2501 | but I'll have a look at it later |
| 06:57.12 | Silver1 | cool. |
| 06:58.09 | Silver1 | Anyone interested in make JB DiGriz moderator for HEPCAT.COPS for me? |
| 06:58.53 | JeffM2501 | instead of you? |
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| 07:17.51 | Silver1 | yep. |
| 07:26.04 | JeffM2501 | done |
| 07:26.18 | SportChick | hiya learner |
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| 07:28.14 | jpa_ | lot of silver :) |
| 07:28.14 | SportChick | learner: schiessen is triggering the filter (it means "to shoot"). The bad word scheissen (triggers it too) |
| 07:28.22 | Silver2 | JeffM2501, thank you much. |
| 07:28.39 | Silver2 | jpa_, its ok my babies... there's enough silver to go around! |
| 07:31.03 | jpa_ | hello SportChick |
| 07:31.24 | SportChick | jpa_: hiya |
| 07:39.33 | Silver2 | kinda ironic that "to shoot" will "trigger" something, eh? |
| 07:39.45 | Silver2 | usually it goes in the other order I though. ;) |
| 07:40.35 | SportChick | gnight |
| 07:41.17 | learner | SportChick, remove the mispelled variant from the filter file |
| 07:41.47 | learner | misspellings were added on purpose at the time, but if it's a real word, it should be removed |
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| 07:50.35 | Pimpi | learner: "scheissen" means "to shit"... |
| 07:51.10 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak: if you feel like more proofreading :) |
| 07:51.11 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/OpenCombat-CoreWars-StoryDoc-rev4.doc |
| 07:57.00 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 07:57.57 | ToughShooter | Pimpi: Is "schiessen" filtered out in standard config? Can't find it in simpleSwearList.txt or multilingualSwearList.txt. |
| 07:58.02 | learner | Pimpi, that much I knew |
| 07:58.27 | learner | ToughShooter: it's there in a simplified form |
| 07:58.54 | learner | many ie -> ei misspellings were added on purpose |
| 07:58.54 | ToughShooter | Ah, I see it. schies # de - shit |
| 07:59.28 | learner | repetition and suffix get checked automatically |
| 08:00.24 | ToughShooter | learner: there are typos in german translations in the multilingual one, that will lead to _not_ filter out swearing... |
| 08:01.15 | ToughShooter | learner: Why can't regular expressions be used in swear lists? |
| 08:03.37 | learner | ToughShooter: because you haven't provided a patch for it |
| 08:03.51 | learner | they are regular expressions internally |
| 08:04.09 | learner | it was made to be as simple as possible while still providing the agressive checking correctly |
| 08:04.25 | ToughShooter | learner: :( |
| 08:04.36 | learner | you would not want to write the expressions that it's writing for you by hand |
| 08:05.11 | learner | a simple 4 letter word expands into something like a 70 character regex |
| 08:05.37 | ToughShooter | learner: Does "leck" get filtered out? I only see "lleck" in swear list. |
| 08:06.41 | ToughShooter | learner: It's clear that some kind of abstraction is needed... |
| 08:06.50 | learner | ToughShooter, would have to just try it -- if you don't see it, though, I doubt it |
| 08:07.24 | ToughShooter | learner: So correct spelled swearing would survive the filter |
| 08:07.43 | learner | ToughShooter, what's the problem/improvement your trying to fix/add? |
| 08:08.15 | learner | ToughShooter, no *sigh* .. if it's in the list or covered by the agressive expansions, it's caught |
| 08:08.48 | ToughShooter | learner: I can imagine that probably a "bad" word is part of a "good" word. |
| 08:08.52 | learner | if there's a word missing, then it's just missing and can be added |
| 08:09.14 | learner | sure, there are lots of words like that |
| 08:09.19 | ToughShooter | lleck mich am arsch # de - lick my ass |
| 08:09.20 | [Prez|Kennedy] | sorta like "hey dick, how are you?" |
| 08:09.28 | learner | and the filter doesn't try to capture those, e.g. shittake mushrooms |
| 08:09.30 | ToughShooter | needs to be changed to leck mich am arsch # de - lick my ass |
| 08:10.31 | learner | the .de section has only been reviewed once since I first compiled it, so there's probably more than that |
| 08:10.43 | ToughShooter | asch # de - ass |
| 08:10.53 | ToughShooter | but asche should be allowed |
| 08:11.18 | ToughShooter | ~x de en Asche |
| 08:11.57 | ToughShooter | there is asch. that will filter out asche, too if I am correct |
| 08:12.10 | learner | why would it filter out asche? |
| 08:12.21 | ToughShooter | I did understand you so. |
| 08:12.35 | learner | how so? |
| 08:12.57 | learner | I said it matches a lot of stuff for free |
| 08:13.22 | learner | but still has to either match against a word boundary |
| 08:13.45 | learner | and there's no "e" suffix that might get auto-checked either |
| 08:14.29 | learner | it should (erroneously?) match asches though |
| 08:14.52 | learner | but that has more to do with a current limitation of applying english suffixes to other languages |
| 08:15.41 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/misc/multilingualSwearList.txt: one ell |
| 08:16.27 | ToughShooter | Hmm, I can't get my local server to filter *anything*. |
| 08:16.44 | learner | you added -badwords ? |
| 08:16.49 | learner | and -filterChat ? |
| 08:17.18 | learner | add -d -d -d and it'll show you the file being loaded |
| 08:18.11 | ToughShooter | -filterChat was missing. "Asche" gets filtered to "-****e" |
| 08:18.30 | ToughShooter | whoops, I mean "****e" |
| 08:18.37 | learner | that'd be a bug |
| 08:19.02 | learner | make it not be the first word |
| 08:19.07 | learner | and try |
| 08:19.53 | learner | ehh.. and was that really **** ? or something like $%#! ? |
| 08:20.01 | learner | **** is the simple filter |
| 08:20.06 | ToughShooter | Doesn't matter, where it stands. BZFlag server 2.0.1.20050203-DEVEL-darwin7.7.0-SDL (protocol 0026) |
| 08:20.50 | ToughShooter | I use multilingualSwearList.txt |
| 08:21.05 | learner | that means nothing :) |
| 08:21.18 | learner | did you really see **** or punctuation? |
| 08:21.35 | ToughShooter | learner: "%#$" and so on |
| 08:21.44 | learner | ok, that's better |
| 08:21.49 | learner | so it's just a bug |
| 08:22.06 | ToughShooter | learner: I just was to lazy to type those other chars |
| 08:23.01 | learner | eh? how's pressing shift-8-8-8-8 less lazy that shift-8-7-6-5 ? |
| 08:24.00 | ToughShooter | learner: I only used * |
| 08:24.20 | ToughShooter | learner: |
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| 08:24.36 | ToughShooter | learner: More comfortable to type |
| 08:24.46 | learner | some wierd keymapped keyboard :) |
| 08:25.25 | ToughShooter | learner: iBook keyboard with german mapping (that mapping is cruel for programming...) |
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| 08:27.33 | ToughShooter | learner: I found another one: some lines contain "blode" and not "bloede" but the last one is correct spelling. So swearing with correct spelling will survive again |
| 08:28.51 | learner | ToughShooter, you seem to understand .de, so how about updating the entire .de section perhaps adding anything missing too and post it up as a patch? |
| 08:29.21 | ToughShooter | learner: Hmm, if it will be added I'll do :) |
| 08:29.57 | learner | that is the point of making a patch.. :) |
| 08:31.24 | learner | just be sure to follow the comments and style and remember the expansion rules (i.e. repetition happens automatically) |
| 08:32.57 | learner | ToughShooter: also if i'm looking at it right, blode nor bloede belong in there if it simply means stupid |
| 08:33.11 | learner | it should be words, not phrases |
| 08:33.18 | ToughShooter | indeed |
| 08:33.32 | ToughShooter | ~x de en blöd |
| 08:33.40 | ToughShooter | ~x de en bloed |
| 08:33.54 | ToughShooter | it's dumb |
| 08:36.11 | learner | the duplicate double-s sheis words are covered by an earlier version too |
| 08:36.35 | learner | german may have never been reviewed now that I look at it |
| 08:36.59 | ToughShooter | learner: Yes, the is much room for improvements |
| 08:37.06 | ToughShooter | therer |
| 08:43.49 | ToughShooter | I have to do some other things now. Bye |
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| 09:23.24 | ToughShooter | ping learner |
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| 10:19.26 | cristi | ~bzfquery 82.137.26.35:5154 |
| 10:19.34 | cristi | :( |
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| 10:54.12 | cristi | who use python scripts to generate map? |
| 10:55.09 | cristi | !seen newbie_dont |
| 10:55.10 | guu | cristi: newbie_dont was last seen here 1 day, 17 hours, 56 minutes, and 10 seconds ago saying: * newbie_dont is away: |
| 11:29.13 | cods | cristi: I answered you. But, except for me and for 2 or 3 peoples, no one know the script you're talking about. So, don't ask here about it. |
| 11:50.02 | crko | how do i set that the flags can only be used once so they disappear when they are dropped? |
| 11:51.38 | trepan | set _maxFlagGrabs to 0 (or 1?) |
| 11:51.40 | cods | it's when their usage is limited. see -sl option. |
| 11:51.45 | crko | ok thanks |
| 11:52.32 | cods | oh.. yes, better than my suggestion. |
| 11:52.36 | crko | yes |
| 11:52.41 | crko | -sl limits the shots |
| 11:53.05 | crko | i can put the variables in the .bzw file right? |
| 11:53.08 | crko | options.. |
| 11:53.59 | trepan | yup |
| 11:54.19 | cods | trepan: do you know where I can find an algorithm to divide (tesselate?) concave polygon into convex one ? I found a way to subdivise into triangle, but I'm unable to find something on web about that. |
| 11:54.59 | crko | uff now i noticed is there a way to limit the number of flags in a zone? |
| 11:55.33 | trepan | cods: find the crease points, and split there (if it's just a 2d poly) |
| 11:55.48 | trepan | i've definitely seen algos for that kind of thing all over the web |
| 11:57.31 | cods | I'm probably looking with the wrong keywords (such as "tesselate polygon algorithm") |
| 11:59.03 | crko | is there a way? |
| 11:59.26 | cods | I don't think it's possible, but I'm not sure. |
| 11:59.46 | crko | bad... |
| 12:00.03 | crko | cause i want to have 1 flag on one side and the other on the other... |
| 12:00.09 | crko | but if i drop it |
| 12:00.16 | crko | there will be two on the other |
| 12:00.21 | crko | and none on the first |
| 12:01.02 | cods | that could be nice to be able to do that. |
| 12:01.19 | crko | yes |
| 12:01.22 | crko | it's for CTF |
| 12:05.14 | crko | ow that ruined all my plans :/ |
| 12:05.30 | ruskie | grrr.... why do I have such lag to viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
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| 13:17.17 | cristi | hi all |
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| 13:17.29 | cristi | hi |
| 13:17.36 | Alex | hi |
| 13:17.43 | cristi | Alex, where are you from? |
| 13:17.51 | Alex | Germany |
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| 13:18.10 | cristi | ok |
| 13:18.22 | Alex | why? |
| 13:19.48 | Alex | I need help on compiling bzflag 2.0 on irix 6.5 |
| 13:21.53 | [dmp] | ~ask |
| 13:21.54 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 13:22.49 | Alex | make stops with errors: lconv' not declared |
| 13:23.30 | Alex | "localeconv' not declared" and "setlocale' not declared" |
| 13:25.05 | Pimpi | DTRemenak: u around? |
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| 13:27.27 | cristi | Pimpi: ASK DTRemenak_ |
| 13:31.42 | Alex | does anybody know where to get a irix binary of bzflag 2.0 instead? |
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| 13:34.52 | [dmp] | Alex: its not possible for you to install lconv ? |
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| 14:08.41 | cods | hi Thumper |
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| 14:38.24 | crko` | if i make a sphere and movi it like -5 z so underground a bit |
| 14:38.40 | crko` | how would i make the boddom part disappear |
| 14:38.45 | crko` | because it's visible |
| 14:38.48 | crko` | and spooky ;) |
| 14:45.04 | cods | you can't with 'sphere' object. You need to create a mesh for that. |
| 14:47.28 | Grumbler | yep, thats the way |
| 14:51.04 | crko` | is that hard to do? |
| 14:51.07 | crko` | ^^ |
| 14:51.46 | crko` | so i just add vertexes to form something like a sphere? |
| 14:52.47 | trepan | use the "hemisphere" keyword |
| 14:52.48 | cods | by hand, it's impossible. You can either use a modeler, or use some tools that can generate bzflag map. |
| 14:52.49 | Grumbler | download blender and give it a shot......you will have to insert a sphere and then slice it. export an obj file, then import it with modeltool(from the bz forum) |
| 14:53.13 | Grumbler | wow trepan, you made hemisphere as well |
| 14:53.25 | trepan | or just "hemi" works too |
| 14:53.44 | Grumbler | hahah.......does bzflag have a hemi..............hahahaha |
| 14:54.20 | Grumbler | probably have to be an american southern redneck to get that |
| 14:55.00 | cods | I believe you.. |
| 14:55.41 | Grumbler | http://www.jonreep.com/hemi.php |
| 14:57.30 | orange | other than jeffm2501, is there someone who runs the my.bzflag.org/bb forums? |
| 14:57.40 | crko` | how do i use "hemisphere" |
| 14:57.42 | crko` | ? |
| 14:57.49 | orange | I only exclude jeffm2501 because he's not here :-) |
| 14:58.17 | Grumbler | orange, Nidhoggr |
| 14:58.25 | trepan | crko`: sphere \n hemi \n pos x x x \n etc... \n end |
| 14:58.28 | orange | thanks Grumbler |
| 14:58.34 | crko` | ah ok |
| 14:59.04 | orange | Nidhoggr: ping |
| 14:59.06 | Grumbler | ooo, a french version.....thats just seems wrong. |
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| 14:59.43 | crko` | trepan, wow nice ;) |
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| 14:59.57 | bryjen | Dodge has been leaning on that in their recent commercials too |
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| 15:02.28 | bryjen | ah, hadn't checked the link. |
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| 15:04.01 | crko` | is it ok to put this in options? |
| 15:04.03 | bryjen | orange: do you need something or have a question about the bb? |
| 15:04.04 | crko` | in the bzw file? |
| 15:04.10 | crko` | -set _gravity -50 |
| 15:04.11 | crko` | ? |
| 15:04.25 | crko` | because it sends an error |
| 15:04.52 | bryjen | crko`: what's the error? |
| 15:05.02 | crko` | bad argument "_gravity" |
| 15:05.09 | trepan | crko`: is it in a "options" block? |
| 15:05.15 | crko` | yes |
| 15:05.19 | crko` | -set _gravity -50 |
| 15:05.36 | trepan | options \n -set _gravity -50 \n end |
| 15:05.44 | trepan | there can only be 1 options block |
| 15:05.54 | crko` | yes i know |
| 15:05.57 | crko` | i got it right now |
| 15:06.07 | trepan | what was wrong? |
| 15:06.08 | crko` | but i don't know what was wrong the first ime (?) |
| 15:06.16 | crko` | i just put options on the top |
| 15:06.25 | crko` | and switched the order in the block |
| 15:06.32 | crko` | -set _wingsJUmpCount 30 |
| 15:06.33 | crko` | +r |
| 15:06.38 | crko` | -set _gravity -50 |
| 15:10.04 | orange | bryjen: go here http://my.bzflag.org/bb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=345 |
| 15:10.19 | orange | bryjen: click on "Find all posts by orange" |
| 15:10.24 | orange | those aren't mine... any of them :-) |
| 15:10.53 | orange | well, maybe one of them is |
| 15:11.05 | orange | the others are posts in threads that I've posted to |
| 15:11.28 | orange | ohhh |
| 15:12.00 | orange | bryjen: I think they're quotes |
| 15:13.47 | Nidhoggr | orange: pong |
| 15:13.48 | orange | I know you guys didn't write phpbb, I just thought it might be some settings... in my opinion, those are misleading, because it looks like I wrote those things since it doesn't say "so-and-so wrote:" ... it just puts the quotation that I included in my post, and that's usually all that shows up |
| 15:14.05 | orange | hey Nidhoggr ... scroll back a few lines... that's what I'm asking about |
| 15:14.27 | Nidhoggr | jeffm does the phpbb configuration. I'll mention it to him. |
| 15:15.06 | orange | I'm not sure it's a configuration issue... it may be just how phpbb does things, but it is sure misleading.. I was reading some of my posts and thinking... geez, I didn't write *that* :-) |
| 15:15.39 | [dmp] | orange: got an example? |
| 15:15.42 | bryjen | yeah. the search only gives the first few lines. looks like it strips out the mark-up (like the [quote] tag) too |
| 15:15.52 | blast007 | orange: actually, I think it's showing the post that's just before your posts, so it seems broken to me |
| 15:16.12 | orange | blast007: I thought so too, but it's the quotation... I almost always quote (don't know if I should or not, it's just habit) |
| 15:16.18 | blast007 | ah |
| 15:19.55 | orange | [dmp]: sorry, I missed your question |
| 15:25.05 | Nidhoggr | oh, this is very cool. |
| 15:25.09 | Nidhoggr | maps.google.com |
| 15:25.17 | Nidhoggr | type in your city name |
| 15:25.29 | Nidhoggr | when you get a good view of your city, type in "pizza" |
| 15:25.47 | jpa_ | Your search - pöytyä - did not match any locations. |
| 15:26.09 | jpa_ | humm |
| 15:26.15 | jpa_ | finland is not covered, is it? |
| 15:26.25 | Nidhoggr | probably not yet :) |
| 15:26.27 | Nidhoggr | it's still in beta. |
| 15:27.49 | Chestal | Finland is in beta? |
| 15:27.57 | jpa_ | :D |
| 15:27.59 | blast007 | lol |
| 15:28.13 | jpa_ | yes, really buggy ground here :) |
| 15:29.21 | crko` | would it somehow be possible to limit the number of flags in a zone? |
| 15:29.26 | crko` | i need it for CTF |
| 15:30.02 | bryjen | i wonder where they're getting their maps. my street isn't in there :( |
| 15:31.03 | Nidhoggr | bryjen: really? strange. |
| 15:31.05 | jpa_ | crko`: except for +f, no |
| 15:31.49 | crko` | jpa_, so i cant' force 2 flags to appear each in theis own zone? |
| 15:32.07 | jpa_ | crko`: except for teamflags, no |
| 15:32.12 | bryjen | eh. its only been there 7-8 years now ;) |
| 15:32.14 | jpa_ | not without hacking the source |
| 15:32.20 | crko` | argh! :/ |
| 15:32.21 | jpa_ | hmm..that would be cool |
| 15:32.41 | jpa_ | i want to implement it, providing it is not too difficult :) |
| 15:32.45 | jpa_ | to code -> |
| 15:32.58 | crko` | ok |
| 15:32.58 | crko` | please ;) |
| 15:33.16 | crko` | but the only problem remains i have windows... hell i'll try to compile from CVS :P |
| 15:33.25 | bryjen | you can limit the number of flags by type, and the types spawn by zone |
| 15:34.04 | crko` | the thing is |
| 15:34.08 | crko` | i have 2 WG flags |
| 15:34.17 | crko` | and want them to be in seperate zones |
| 15:34.21 | crko` | it's a CTF map |
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| 15:37.25 | bryjen | then, no, it doesn't do that. zones mark where a flag type _may_ spawn, not where one _must_ or _will_ |
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| 15:38.29 | crko` | bryjen, yes i can see that :/ |
| 15:44.42 | jpa_ | bryjen: but, maxflagsperzone would solve the problem |
| 15:57.37 | Grumbler | IMHO, that would be a nice feature, the ability to fix the spawning locations of certain flags. |
| 15:58.04 | crko` | yes... |
| 15:58.21 | RedBaron2 | in other words, make certain flags appear in certain places? |
| 15:58.32 | crko` | and the quantity :P |
| 15:58.34 | Grumbler | i guess, i should tell myself, patches are welcome |
| 15:59.19 | crko` | one more question |
| 15:59.27 | RedBaron2 | if you were to fix spawn locations |
| 15:59.34 | crko` | how can i make the time when you get killed |
| 15:59.35 | RedBaron2 | then it would be easy for people to avoid bad flags |
| 15:59.43 | crko` | and the time when you can press i again |
| 15:59.43 | RedBaron2 | and know where the good flags are.. |
| 15:59.46 | crko` | go faster? |
| 15:59.59 | trepan | _explosionTime |
| 16:00.04 | crko` | ok thanks |
| 16:00.24 | trepan | set, _explodeTime |
| 16:00.42 | trepan | s/set/sry |
| 16:00.51 | crko` | ok |
| 16:02.04 | Grumbler | RedBaron2, and your point is?????.......since it is under the map makers control, it would allow more tunability to the map.........or it could be completely ignored......like any option, it can or can not be used. |
| 16:02.25 | RedBaron2 | i guess |
| 16:02.54 | RedBaron2 | just makes it easy for one person for example, on hepcat overlord, if geno was to spawn in the same place over and over |
| 16:03.06 | Grumbler | as an added benefit, it doesnt necessarily have to break the protocal between client and server, so it could be implemented immediately |
| 16:03.08 | RedBaron2 | you would have people fighting for that spot, instead of teamflags |
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| 16:03.26 | Grumbler | so dont put it on hepcat |
| 16:03.39 | crko` | RedBaron2, i want it to spawn on a hard to reach place |
| 16:03.47 | crko` | that's why i want this feature ;) |
| 16:03.58 | crko` | and since it's only two flags... |
| 16:04.11 | RedBaron2 | i guess |
| 16:04.53 | Grumbler | i can understand on hepcat where you may not want that.....but that is one map style. |
| 16:05.02 | crko` | how do i set a motd? |
| 16:05.05 | crko` | in the conf? |
| 16:05.22 | Grumbler | hmm, this may energize me to actually do a patch |
| 16:05.28 | blast007 | the ability to put +f and -f inside zones would be cool |
| 16:05.42 | RedBaron2 | ok, i was just saying in general, my apologies, didn't mean to interrupt.. |
| 16:05.45 | crko` | you can put +f inside zones :P |
| 16:05.54 | crko` | the only thing is you can't limit the flags :P |
| 16:06.12 | blast007 | well, I mean to set an exact amount of flags, like +f normally does |
| 16:06.17 | crko` | yes.. |
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| 16:07.41 | TheRedBaron | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2729&highlight= |
| 16:09.05 | Grumbler | i guess people dont understand the concept of bad flags..........and they dont know how to use SR |
| 16:09.21 | bryjen | crko`: -srvmsg "Weclome to the Server" gets sent to a joining player. -admsg "Blah blah blah" gets sent every 15 minutes |
| 16:09.33 | crko` | ok |
| 16:09.34 | crko` | thanks |
| 16:09.46 | crko` | hm and one more thing |
| 16:09.57 | crko` | how can i break a line in the srvmsg? |
| 16:10.01 | trepan | are we there yet papa smurf? |
| 16:10.04 | cods | stupid question (as usual).. rotating by 30 degree in blender is CW, in bzflag and autocad it's CCW.. What's the "standard" for that ? Is that more natural to go CCW for positive angle ? |
| 16:10.08 | crko` | so that it goes in the next line? |
| 16:10.08 | TheRedBaron | grumbler: bad link heres a better one |
| 16:10.10 | TheRedBaron | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=28944&highlight=#28944 |
| 16:10.10 | trepan | use \n, or use -srvmsg more then once |
| 16:10.13 | crko` | ok |
| 16:10.14 | bryjen | trepan ? |
| 16:10.41 | TheRedBaron | this is what scares in me in bzflag. |
| 16:11.17 | Grumbler | invisible bullets? |
| 16:11.17 | trepan | bryjen: just one more, and one more, and ... |
| 16:11.28 | TheRedBaron | grumbler: people who want to change it without thinking... |
| 16:11.51 | trepan | TheRedBaron: do you see anyone here actually looking to pull flag types? |
| 16:12.11 | TheRedBaron | trepan; i hope not! |
| 16:12.14 | orange | heh, IB ranks pretty high for me :-) |
| 16:12.35 | Grumbler | ib is just annoying to me.....but i am a radar driver |
| 16:12.53 | TheRedBaron | IB is a flag i keep if i pick it up its powerful. |
| 16:13.07 | orange | oh, yeah, I hate when opponents have it, but love it when I do |
| 16:13.17 | orange | the true mark of a good flag :-) |
| 16:13.34 | RedBaron2 | and rapid fire.. |
| 16:13.45 | Grumbler | i dont think many people understand that flag types are under the servers control........and whether they are there or not, is completely up to the server owner |
| 16:14.07 | orange | true |
| 16:14.33 | *** join/#bzflag bz4868 (~52ab71ec@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 16:14.39 | TheRedBaron | grumber: true, but what makes me nervous, is that this is the "only opinion" that the devs are hearing... |
| 16:14.50 | trepan | ... ignoring |
| 16:14.57 | TheRedBaron | because the munchkins have oodles of time to make there voice known.. |
| 16:15.03 | trepan | (speaking only for myself, of course) |
| 16:15.16 | TheRedBaron | trepan: thanks :P |
| 16:15.34 | Grumbler | haha.....you forget that most devs are very self-centered, and very rarely listen to anybodys opinon except their own. ;) |
| 16:15.44 | TheRedBaron | lmao! |
| 16:15.58 | bryjen | huwha? did you say something Grumbler? |
| 16:16.16 | trepan | TheRedBaron: don't think "the devs" are too bright, do ya? ;) |
| 16:16.17 | TheRedBaron | ....except for annoying people and there radar |
| 16:16.35 | TheRedBaron | trepan: no comment.. :) |
| 16:17.07 | Grumbler | well, there are a couple bright bulbs.....then there is bryjen |
| 16:18.17 | TheRedBaron | I'm just trying to refrain myself from lamblasting the guy in my reply.... |
| 16:18.38 | bryjen | there's bright for ya |
| 16:18.45 | bryjen | ;) |
| 16:19.08 | Grumbler | TheRedBaron, you should take the dev approach, dont reply......just let them stew, then will leave eventually |
| 16:19.25 | Grumbler | err, they/then |
| 16:20.46 | TheRedBaron | Grumbler: true, you're probally right. But sometimes i feel i need to be the advocate of justice!!! defender of liberty freedom, and radars. ;) |
| 16:21.28 | Grumbler | ok, i will vote for keeping your "S" on your pajamas |
| 16:22.31 | TheRedBaron | gee thanks. :) |
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| 16:40.28 | ruskie | eeeekkk server forced a dc without any reason... |
| 16:44.35 | TheRedBaron | welcome to technology... the like to do things without any apparent reason or logic. |
| 16:44.40 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 16:49.47 | ToughShooter | How can I create a half transparent base () |
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| 16:49.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
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| 16:50.27 | ToughShooter | or a half transparent block in a map |
| 16:51.02 | PvtMalarkey | Hi Jeff, remember my sound problem? I tried some different settings, nothing worked, must be an SDL based problem. So I compiled without SDL->fine |
| 16:51.11 | cods | ToughShooter: by specifying an alpha value in color |
| 16:51.32 | cods | such as "color 1 0 0 .5" |
| 16:51.54 | TheRedBaron | w00t, we have a nicely written "how to run a server" |
| 16:53.07 | ToughShooter | cods: Is there a documentation about it? |
| 16:53.15 | cods | yes.. in man page. |
| 16:53.28 | cods | look at bzw |
| 16:53.31 | PvtMalarkey | man pages on windows ;-) |
| 16:53.47 | crko | http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzw.5s |
| 16:53.47 | cods | well, man page exist, even if not using computer |
| 16:54.36 | ToughShooter | I found a better one: http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/ |
| 16:54.47 | ToughShooter | cods: Thanks |
| 16:54.48 | PvtMalarkey | I know, I love man pages, but some so called *ix-Hax3rs miss some basic commands *g* |
| 16:55.09 | PvtMalarkey | That's all for today, cu |
| 16:55.33 | jpa_ | ToughShooter: that is not by any means complete, just an addition to the man page |
| 16:55.52 | trepan | ccw |
| 16:56.05 | ToughShooter | jpa_: :( but it's nice you did that, too |
| 16:56.58 | cods | trepan: sorry for this comment. Not precise. I mean, in my script, I've to decide what to choose. Indeed bzflag use this convention. Some other find more natural the CW way. So, from both, I don't know what I will support. |
| 16:57.21 | cods | from what I understand CCW is the mathematician way |
| 16:57.32 | cods | while CW is.. well.. for other :) |
| 16:57.44 | jpa_ | just use ccw |
| 16:57.52 | jpa_ | it is easier when everything is the same |
| 16:58.07 | cods | yes, also my oppinion. However, Thumper don't like this idea :) |
| 16:58.47 | trepan | cods: more importantly, ccw is bzflag's way |
| 16:58.48 | cods | it's not worst that swapping Y and Z coordinate ;) |
| 16:59.28 | cods | well, yes, it's better to keep something coherent. |
| 16:59.33 | jpa_ | cods: just remove rotation and use spin, then thumper can just use 0 0 -1 :) |
| 16:59.47 | cods | by rotation, i mean spin anyway |
| 16:59.54 | cods | and thx for pointing out that.. |
| 17:00.15 | cods | Thumper_, here ? |
| 17:00.47 | Thumper_ | cods: CCW is fine |
| 17:03.34 | orange | JeffM2501: on the forums, when you search for posts by author, the formatting of the results is funky, in that it strips out the quotation attribution (if the post has a quotation)... this makes the posting summary look very wrong... |
| 17:04.01 | orange | I was wondering if this is a bzbb setting, or just standard behavior |
| 17:04.08 | orange | for example: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/search.php?search_author=orange |
| 17:04.30 | TheRedBaron | orange: i believe its standard behavior, as several other phbb sites are the same. |
| 17:04.43 | orange | the first post listed there (and most of mine) quote another post... if you click on the linked subject line you will see that I didn't write the part that showed up in the search |
| 17:04.49 | TheRedBaron | www.thesamba.com/vw/forum for example. |
| 17:06.02 | JeffM2501 | orange, it's because bbcode dosn't work in searches, only in the post template |
| 17:06.42 | orange | it makes for an odd summary of postings... I may submit it as a bug to the phpbb folks |
| 17:07.11 | orange | quote's should arguably be special-cased |
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| 17:07.16 | orange | and either dealt with or stripped out |
| 17:07.29 | orange | s/quote's/quotes/ sheesh |
| 17:07.47 | jpa_ | cristi: wtf have you been doing on river server? |
| 17:07.48 | orange | TheRedBaron: yeah, I see it there, too |
| 17:07.52 | JeffM2501 | quote is just bbcode |
| 17:07.58 | jpa_ | telling people "switch teams, rogue is not allowed" |
| 17:08.00 | JeffM2501 | a board may or may not even allow bbcode |
| 17:08.22 | JeffM2501 | dono what they are doing with 2.2 |
| 17:08.31 | JeffM2501 | it's suposed to be a big ol change from how phpbb is set now |
| 17:09.03 | orange | it's not a big deal, of course, just doesn't seem quite correct |
| 17:09.13 | orange | but now that I know it's not a setting, I know who not to ask about it anymore :-) |
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| 17:11.26 | crko | hm i seem to have a problem but i don't know how to solve it |
| 17:11.29 | crko | :> |
| 17:11.30 | crko | so |
| 17:11.40 | crko | when there are spheres or so in the map |
| 17:11.45 | crko | it shows to me like |
| 17:11.47 | crko | this |
| 17:11.47 | crko | http://www2.arnes.si/~jhanse/bzfi0000.png |
| 17:12.10 | crko | and it's veeeery slow and all |
| 17:12.40 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: give it a version |
| 17:13.40 | crko | suggestions? |
| 17:14.05 | JeffM2501 | slooowwwwww picture download |
| 17:14.33 | crko | don't know why |
| 17:14.35 | *** join/#bzflag cristi (~cristi@82.137.26.35) |
| 17:14.38 | crko | it's an ISP server |
| 17:15.06 | trepan | what's the prob? |
| 17:15.09 | cristi | what ISP server ? |
| 17:15.38 | crko | trepan, the spheres |
| 17:15.40 | JeffM2501 | www.slowoldisp.net |
| 17:15.42 | crko | they look like daggers |
| 17:15.43 | crko | :P |
| 17:15.54 | JeffM2501 | what paramaters do you have for them? |
| 17:16.07 | jpa_ | cristi: ping |
| 17:16.11 | trepan | the ones in the viewport, or radar? |
| 17:16.23 | cristi | jpa_: what ping ? |
| 17:16.35 | jpa_ | cristi: just wanted to know you are present |
| 17:16.37 | crko | JeffM2501, these |
| 17:16.38 | crko | sphere |
| 17:16.38 | crko | hemi |
| 17:16.38 | crko | pos 100 74 0 |
| 17:16.38 | crko | size 4 5 2 |
| 17:16.39 | crko | smoothbounce |
| 17:16.41 | crko | end |
| 17:16.41 | jpa_ | cristi: what have you been doing on river server? |
| 17:16.50 | crko | others see it normally |
| 17:16.51 | crko | :/ |
| 17:17.06 | jpa_ | cristi: telling people "switch teams, rogue is not allowed" |
| 17:17.16 | cristi | jpa_: yes |
| 17:17.32 | cristi | jpa_: because I cannot play CTF :( |
| 17:17.33 | jpa_ | why? |
| 17:17.37 | cristi | jpa_: because I cannot play CTF :( |
| 17:17.49 | jpa_ | that is not a reason |
| 17:17.54 | cristi | :) |
| 17:17.55 | cristi | k |
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| 17:18.23 | jpa_ | and you were telling it like rogue was not allowed |
| 17:18.40 | jpa_ | also, capslock is not nice |
| 17:18.48 | cristi | jpa_: k |
| 17:20.14 | Thumper_ | is there a size limit of admsg and srvmsg ? |
| 17:20.14 | cristi | jpa_: how to make the server to apear as cristi.dyndns.org ? |
| 17:20.18 | cods | cristi: and STOP repeating line.. |
| 17:20.22 | cristi | nope |
| 17:20.40 | cristi | Thumper_ nope |
| 17:20.50 | JeffM2501 | cristi, if you can't play on CTF, then don't join a CTF server. |
| 17:20.58 | JeffM2501 | if you want to run a domain, then read up on DNS |
| 17:21.11 | JeffM2501 | go to the dyndns site and read |
| 17:21.12 | cristi | and it is free ? |
| 17:21.14 | cristi | :) |
| 17:21.18 | cristi | hmm |
| 17:21.19 | JeffM2501 | READ |
| 17:21.22 | JeffM2501 | use your brain |
| 17:21.42 | JeffM2501 | we are not here to be your crutch |
| 17:21.54 | jpa_ | ~cristi-- |
| 17:21.58 | JeffM2501 | at some point you are going to have to learn about common computer things on your own. |
| 17:22.11 | cristi | jpa_: what means this? |
| 17:22.22 | blast007 | karma decrease ;) |
| 17:22.23 | JeffM2501 | it means you have bad karma for being anoying |
| 17:22.27 | cods | ahem, not only computing things IMHO |
| 17:22.59 | JeffM2501 | well it's obious that he likes geting a rise out of people and playing the idiot role |
| 17:23.10 | JeffM2501 | he's close to a +q |
| 17:23.11 | crko | anybody know anything about my problem? |
| 17:23.35 | JeffM2501 | crko, nope, the params look right, and if other see them right then it sounds like jsut your client. |
| 17:23.54 | crko | what could it be? a setting or so? |
| 17:23.54 | Thumper_ | where can I find the buffer limit for admsg/srvmsg |
| 17:24.10 | JeffM2501 | no there are no setings for "Draw sphere's all broken" |
| 17:24.11 | jpa_ | Thumper_: the Source? :) |
| 17:24.13 | Thumper_ | any idea where in the source before I dig through all of it? |
| 17:24.18 | Thumper_ | jpa_: thx :-P |
| 17:24.30 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, it's probaby a std::string so it may not have a limit, or it may be 256 |
| 17:24.41 | JeffM2501 | how long is your text? |
| 17:25.01 | Thumper_ | too long |
| 17:25.03 | jpa_ | it could be the line lenght limit in conffileparser |
| 17:25.07 | Thumper_ | server cuts off the rest of the file |
| 17:25.15 | Thumper_ | if I shorten the text it works |
| 17:25.19 | Chestal | add \n for line breaks |
| 17:25.30 | Chestal | each individual lien should not be too long |
| 17:25.42 | Thumper_ | already has \n |
| 17:26.14 | Chestal | hmm |
| 17:27.11 | blast007 | Thumper_: could also put some of the text in a /help command, and then reference them there |
| 17:27.52 | JeffM2501 | server message is stored internaly as a std::string |
| 17:27.58 | JeffM2501 | it should not have any real limit |
| 17:28.06 | Chestal | Thumper: shouldn't happen. The comamnd line parsing is in src/bzfs/CmdLineOPtions.cxx, the mesasge is probably split and sent in src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx |
| 17:28.25 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.25 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.42 | Thumper_ | output of wc after converting it to plain text |
| 17:28.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's busted up sent as more then one message on each newline |
| 17:28.46 | JeffM2501 | what is your longest line? |
| 17:29.08 | Thumper_ | 87 bytes |
| 17:29.16 | Thumper_ | + nl |
| 17:29.21 | JeffM2501 | should be fine |
| 17:29.29 | JeffM2501 | the code does not have an express limit |
| 17:29.52 | Thumper_ | srvmsg gets cut off about 4 lines from the bottom |
| 17:29.58 | Thumper_ | and the following -j (jumping) doesn't work |
| 17:30.04 | Thumper_ | weird |
| 17:30.06 | JeffM2501 | debug it and find out why :) |
| 17:30.11 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 17:31.03 | trepan | Thumper_: is the -srvmsg in a bzw file? |
| 17:31.46 | cods | in a -conf file |
| 17:31.50 | trepan | either way, it might help if you use multiple -srvmsg instead of \n |
| 17:31.59 | [Prez|Kennedy] | nothin like having about 40 some people try and unsubscribe from a mailing list the wrong way and thereby sending their email to everyone else' |
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| 17:32.19 | cods | trepan: ok. We will try that. |
| 17:32.38 | trepan | parseConfFile has a 1024 char input buffer |
| 17:32.45 | trepan | (for each line) |
| 17:33.42 | Thumper_ | -srvmsg is in an option file |
| 17:33.51 | Thumper_ | trepan_away: -srvmsg is in an option file |
| 17:34.04 | JeffM2501 | it's in your config? |
| 17:34.10 | JeffM2501 | make it more then one line |
| 17:34.15 | JeffM2501 | not one big long line |
| 17:34.19 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 17:36.52 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, any code? |
| 17:37.03 | JeffM2501 | and good morrow! |
| 17:39.23 | crko | when there is a patch for the flag limiting in the zones or it's implemented will it be announced? |
| 17:40.14 | cods | crko: once you finish implementing it :) |
| 17:40.24 | crko | argh... |
| 17:40.36 | crko | didn't like 3 people say they are going to do it? |
| 17:40.36 | crko | :> |
| 17:40.46 | crko | i'm not good at c++ btw :/ |
| 17:40.52 | crko | just the basics |
| 17:40.56 | cods | it's a good occasion to learn it :) |
| 17:41.00 | jpa_ | did they? |
| 17:41.12 | crko | cods, i am aware :P |
| 17:41.12 | jpa_ | aren't i'm the only one implementing it |
| 17:41.13 | jpa_ | hmm.. |
| 17:41.22 | crko | jpa_, a patch is being made |
| 17:41.23 | jpa_ | it is stupid if three people do it |
| 17:41.23 | crko | i think |
| 17:41.27 | JeffM2501 | crko, that's one thing you'll find, many many will SAY they are going to do it, few will. |
| 17:41.38 | crko | JeffM2501, yes |
| 17:41.38 | JeffM2501 | who said they were? |
| 17:41.44 | crko | hm let me check |
| 17:42.05 | jpa_ | well, i've been implementing it for some hour or two now |
| 17:42.20 | crko | well i don't know but this sounds like that to me |
| 17:42.21 | bryjen | JeffM2501: something goofy with the link for the man page in the public server howto |
| 17:42.37 | crko | <Grumbler> hmm, this may energize me to actually do a patch |
| 17:42.40 | crko | :> |
| 17:42.46 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, and you didn't fix it? |
| 17:42.47 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 17:42.59 | crko | jpa_, you go on please :) |
| 17:42.59 | bryjen | I'm not sure what's broken. :( |
| 17:43.27 | bryjen | i see the bbcode, it didn't make a hyperlink |
| 17:43.37 | JeffM2501 | it's cus I put the URL in "" |
| 17:43.40 | JeffM2501 | it's not HTML |
| 17:43.42 | JeffM2501 | so no "" |
| 17:43.46 | bryjen | ah |
| 17:44.12 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: that fixes it - Thanks! |
| 17:44.28 | JeffM2501 | thank trepan |
| 17:44.33 | JeffM2501 | he told you what to do |
| 17:44.38 | JeffM2501 | I just reiterated it |
| 17:44.48 | bryjen | link fixed. |
| 17:44.53 | JeffM2501 | ja |
| 17:45.36 | jpa_ | hmmmmmm |
| 17:45.39 | jpa_ | i'm feeling evil |
| 17:45.49 | crko | why is that? |
| 17:45.56 | jpa_ | and in a mood enough to drop all this +f -f stuff from server config |
| 17:46.05 | jpa_ | just zones with +f -f etc |
| 17:46.23 | JeffM2501 | if you break old behavor your patch will not be applied |
| 17:46.32 | crko | :// |
| 17:46.51 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: not necessarily break |
| 17:46.52 | JeffM2501 | that is with out a reasonable upgrade path and reason for the break |
| 17:47.02 | JeffM2501 | jpa_, will old configs work unmodified? |
| 17:47.17 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: +f -f in the commandline means just whole-map sized zone with +f -f |
| 17:47.32 | JeffM2501 | then that is a feasable upgrade path :) |
| 17:47.36 | jpa_ | zones do not go to client, do they? |
| 17:47.42 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 17:47.48 | JeffM2501 | depends how they are implemented |
| 17:48.02 | jpa_ | testing.. |
| 17:48.41 | jpa_ | hum.. do not seem to |
| 17:48.47 | bryjen | zones would go as part of "Save World" |
| 17:49.04 | jpa_ | bryjen: but clients do not parse them i think |
| 17:49.17 | bryjen | the server controls all spawning, so the client doesn't need the zones |
| 17:49.23 | jpa_ | good |
| 17:49.32 | jpa_ | so i won't break the protocol, either |
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| 17:50.47 | trepan_away | client side saving of zones and weapons is in 2.0 |
| 17:50.48 | JeffM2501 | all good things |
| 17:51.11 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: ah :) |
| 17:51.14 | jpa_ | now if i only could c++ :) |
| 17:51.16 | Thumper_ | trepan_away: Thanks! |
| 17:51.53 | Thumper_ | ~karma trepan |
| 17:51.54 | ibot | trepan has karma of 97 |
| 17:51.59 | Thumper_ | ~trepan++ |
| 17:52.11 | Thumper_ | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 17:52.12 | Thumper_ | ~trepan++ |
| 17:52.33 | JeffM2501 | c++ is a verb? |
| 17:52.41 | crko | lol |
| 17:52.49 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: can't i use it as a verb? |
| 17:53.02 | cods | C++ing is bad |
| 17:53.06 | JeffM2501 | what does it mean? |
| 17:53.16 | jpa_ | coding in c++ |
| 17:53.17 | JeffM2501 | guu dict c++ |
| 17:53.24 | guu | JeffM2501: web1913, jargon, foldoc, and wn responded: foldoc: C# <language> /see sharp/ An {object-oriented} language devised and promoted by {Microsoft}, intended to replace {Java}, which it strongly resembles. {(http://csharpindex.com/)}. (2001-10-04); foldoc: (c) An {ASCII} rendition of the encircled "c" {copyright} symbol. Unfortunately, this rendition is not legally valid, the circle (53 more messages) |
| 17:53.25 | JeffM2501 | coding is the verb there then |
| 17:53.33 | jpa_ | ewwwww |
| 17:53.39 | cods | c# ? lol |
| 17:53.39 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:53.44 | jpa_ | guu messes c++ and c# :D |
| 17:53.44 | guu | jpa_: I'm sorry, I was listening to Fatboy Slim. |
| 17:54.02 | jpa_ | guu: ok, it is a resonable explanation |
| 17:54.47 | crko | lol |
| 17:57.56 | jpa_ | ewww |
| 17:58.23 | jpa_ | (i do not know the channel policy about /me aways?) |
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| 18:14.56 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I had time to think about the GM thing again. I came to the solution that using a distance where GM can't harm shooting player (or all) is not useful. A time delay is better because there is already code for that. |
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| 18:17.19 | _Manu_ | Hola! |
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| 18:18.45 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, ok |
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| 18:20.27 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I dunno whether the shot speed setting does affect GM speed, but if it does in future the stuff that compute valid kills would have to be rewritten |
| 18:20.50 | JeffM2501 | all the shot stuff shoudl be rewriten |
| 18:20.55 | JeffM2501 | all the flag stuff should be redone |
| 18:21.02 | JeffM2501 | it "should" be made more generic |
| 18:21.06 | JeffM2501 | but noone will do that |
| 18:22.14 | ToughShooter | I can imagine. :) I also wonder why kills are computed inside client instead of server side. |
| 18:22.30 | JeffM2501 | because bzflag is a lan game |
| 18:23.15 | JeffM2501 | it's ok to compute them client side, but you want to comput them server side too, and have the authroitive "death" happen from a server message. |
| 18:23.37 | JeffM2501 | bzflag's archetecture was not designed for net play, or cases where you can't trust all clients |
| 18:23.41 | JeffM2501 | it's code from 93 |
| 18:23.46 | ToughShooter | hmm, but adding a few lines in source code can provide a player get undestructable |
| 18:23.55 | JeffM2501 | that would be a common cheat |
| 18:24.11 | cods | heh, sometime you've to trust other.. |
| 18:24.12 | ToughShooter | 93? Wow |
| 18:24.13 | blast007 | ToughShooter: why couldn't I just ignore the server's kill message just as easy? |
| 18:24.17 | JeffM2501 | anti-cheat code has been shoehorned in over the past 4 years |
| 18:24.38 | JeffM2501 | blast007you can, but then at least everyone else sees you explode |
| 18:24.42 | JeffM2501 | and the score is "right" |
| 18:24.59 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, it's an old game |
| 18:25.07 | JeffM2501 | that's been kinda pushed up to the internet age |
| 18:25.18 | ToughShooter | blast007: The server could auto-kick player if he continues to play at same location, but that's only theoretical anyway |
| 18:25.35 | JeffM2501 | it has a lot of core problems that have been patched up, but noone has taken the time to rework it in a modern net game style. |
| 18:25.51 | blast007 | what FPS calculates hits completely on the server? |
| 18:26.22 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I got the point |
| 18:26.35 | JeffM2501 | blast007 if the server knew, you were dead, and you sent other updates besides a respawn, you'd be known to be "bad" |
| 18:26.58 | JeffM2501 | server side simulation would need to be frameless |
| 18:27.10 | JeffM2501 | and track all intersetctions of paths |
| 18:27.14 | JeffM2501 | not just descrete samples |
| 18:27.26 | blast007 | FPS == First Person Shoot in this case |
| 18:27.30 | JeffM2501 | ohh |
| 18:27.30 | blast007 | shooter* |
| 18:27.31 | JeffM2501 | quake |
| 18:27.34 | JeffM2501 | quake 2 |
| 18:27.37 | JeffM2501 | quake 3 |
| 18:27.39 | JeffM2501 | unreal |
| 18:27.42 | JeffM2501 | unreal tourny |
| 18:27.43 | blast007 | unreal does? |
| 18:27.44 | JeffM2501 | unreal 2 |
| 18:27.47 | JeffM2501 | they all do |
| 18:28.01 | brlcad | http://guimp.com/pacman_flash.html |
| 18:28.04 | JeffM2501 | they do a client side prediction on the graphical effect |
| 18:28.04 | brlcad | JeffM2501: nope |
| 18:28.15 | blast007 | hmm, ok |
| 18:28.17 | JeffM2501 | so in 99% of the cases you see the hit |
| 18:28.22 | JeffM2501 | and it looks "ok" |
| 18:28.34 | JeffM2501 | then by the time the smoke settles, the dead message is goten |
| 18:28.36 | blast007 | I wonder if America's Army does |
| 18:28.39 | JeffM2501 | and the guy is in parts |
| 18:28.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:28.48 | JeffM2501 | they all should |
| 18:28.54 | JeffM2501 | it's a core anti-cheat tactic |
| 18:29.02 | JeffM2501 | the server has to keep an authroitive state |
| 18:29.10 | JeffM2501 | quake went even further |
| 18:29.19 | blast007 | AAO uses Punk Buster for a lot of cheat preventions |
| 18:29.19 | JeffM2501 | quake has a server side render state that is sent to the clients |
| 18:29.34 | JeffM2501 | punk buster is to help with aim and dodgebots |
| 18:29.43 | blast007 | heh, riiight ;) |
| 18:29.45 | JeffM2501 | it's a higher level type of cheat detection |
| 18:30.01 | JeffM2501 | it's where you have something thet gets you out of the way of the hit |
| 18:30.08 | JeffM2501 | well it's SUPOSED to help with them :) |
| 18:30.09 | blast007 | I've played on servers like that the whole other team had aimbots |
| 18:30.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:30.18 | JeffM2501 | sadly it's not the best |
| 18:30.30 | JeffM2501 | but it's idea is to look at play paterns and match them to known human limits |
| 18:30.37 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:30.43 | JeffM2501 | so people who are just "GOOD" can get hit |
| 18:30.51 | JeffM2501 | so they end up toneing it down |
| 18:31.05 | JeffM2501 | and that lets a number of bots get thru, beucase PB's algos are predictable. |
| 18:31.24 | orange | is there a way to tell if a particular player has been given handicap? |
| 18:31.39 | JeffM2501 | look at there knee's |
| 18:31.42 | JeffM2501 | are tehy all busted? |
| 18:31.44 | blast007 | lol |
| 18:31.59 | orange | c'mon get out of the real world :-) |
| 18:32.18 | JeffM2501 | pokes fun at IRC users |
| 18:32.23 | orange | hehe |
| 18:32.39 | JeffM2501 | I'll bet it's not an apple |
| 18:32.46 | bryjen | I'm not sure I really want to know how he's "loving" it ... ;) |
| 18:33.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah don't touch it after |
| 18:39.15 | *** join/#bzflag crko (~jan@cmb27-47.dial-up.arnes.si) |
| 18:41.00 | ruskie | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 18:46.18 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: http://dtremenak.bakadigital.com/OpenCombat-CoreWars-StoryDoc-rev5.doc |
| 18:47.24 | JeffM2501 | and DTRemenak continues to be "the man" |
| 18:47.36 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:47.47 | JeffM2501 | how'd the new stuff sound? |
| 18:47.56 | DTRemenak | pretty good :) |
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| 18:48.12 | JeffM2501 | like the name of the astronmer who discovers the ring? |
| 18:48.24 | DTRemenak | some of the history flowed better before you started jamming real names into it, but that can be smoothed out :) |
| 18:48.33 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 18:48.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah probably |
| 18:48.40 | Grumbler | DTRemenak, you might want to update the Hubble date |
| 18:48.43 | JeffM2501 | hey scanline WOULD get space insanity |
| 18:48.59 | JeffM2501 | was thinking of calling it HubbleII |
| 18:49.28 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:49.30 | Grumbler | the next space telescope launch is 2010 |
| 18:49.39 | JeffM2501 | what's it to be called? |
| 18:49.41 | Grumbler | well, assuming delays |
| 18:50.16 | JeffM2501 | it would be easy to push 2009 to 2010 in that timeline |
| 18:50.38 | JeffM2501 | I'm actualy thinking of increasing the timelines to about 100 years instead of 50 |
| 18:51.04 | JeffM2501 | and maybe put something in where the CTR trys to detonate a gate, and it puts 1/2 the gate system offline for a year or so |
| 18:51.06 | DTRemenak | yeah, it's a bit compressed if you ask me |
| 18:51.37 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to find a better format for it to make it easyer to edit |
| 18:51.43 | JeffM2501 | mabe like a nuke site |
| 18:51.48 | JeffM2501 | with linked articles |
| 18:51.59 | DTRemenak | the rate of expansion is tremendous given the conventional 100% growth per generation :) |
| 18:52.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah it is |
| 18:52.24 | PKMOBILE | they mustnt be european |
| 18:52.31 | JeffM2501 | with population pressure sudenly lifted you could see people having like 5-6 kids |
| 18:52.37 | PKMOBILE | otherwise the pop would be shrinking |
| 18:52.53 | Grumbler | JeffM2501, unless you consider food scarcity |
| 18:52.56 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: that's still only 250-300% :) |
| 18:53.14 | DTRemenak | and you have a 14 billion figure pretty early on too |
| 18:53.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:53.34 | JeffM2501 | 100-150 years is probably better |
| 18:53.39 | Grumbler | http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2003/nov/HQ_c03pp_telescope_mod.html |
| 18:53.43 | JeffM2501 | gives it 2-3 gens |
| 18:53.54 | Grumbler | James Webb is the next big guy.....according to the ex-hubble people |
| 18:54.01 | JeffM2501 | also makes it easyer to justify the colonys spliting off |
| 18:54.57 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 18:56.57 | JeffM2501 | in all it's glory? |
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| 18:58.09 | JeffM2501 | I added 30 years to the 2024 - 2030 section |
| 18:58.26 | JeffM2501 | so it's 2024-2060 for expansion |
| 18:58.41 | JeffM2501 | puts the end date at 2085 |
| 18:59.03 | bryjen | !dict conium |
| 18:59.05 | guu | bryjen: web1913 and wn responded: wn: Conium n : small genus of highly toxic biennials: hemlock [syn: {genus Conium}]; web1913: Conium \Co*ni"um\ (? or ?), n. [NL., fr. Gr. ? hemlock.] 1. (Bot.) A genus of biennial, poisonous, white-flowered, umbelliferous plants, bearing ribbed fruit (``seeds'') and decompound leaves |
| 18:59.36 | bryjen | that's gotta be a spell-check mis-hit |
| 18:59.49 | JeffM2501 | where do I have that? |
| 18:59.58 | bryjen | 2013 |
| 19:00.36 | JeffM2501 | changed it to |
| 19:00.37 | JeffM2501 | Data feed from probe indicates the object is a ring aprox. 1.5 km in diameter, made of an unknown metal. |
| 19:00.45 | JeffM2501 | that read ok? |
| 19:00.55 | JeffM2501 | stupid trowbridge anomaly |
| 19:01.02 | JeffM2501 | allways throws the readings off |
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| 19:02.02 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 19:02.23 | JeffM2501 | is "govenorial" a word? |
| 19:03.04 | bryjen | spell check don't like Trowbridge or Dowty, but both Sean and Morrison are OK |
| 19:03.11 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:04.12 | JeffM2501 | sadly the only mark Dowty has made is the Dowty Intitute for Mental Disorders. |
| 19:04.33 | scanline | hehe |
| 19:04.42 | bryjen | no, goverment gets spelled funny when used that way |
| 19:04.59 | JeffM2501 | like gubenorial? |
| 19:05.07 | bryjen | something like that |
| 19:05.11 | JeffM2501 | scanline, that's what the opion line gets ya :) |
| 19:05.17 | bryjen | ~spell gubernatorial |
| 19:05.18 | ibot | 'gubernatorial' may be spelled correctly |
| 19:05.18 | JeffM2501 | onion line even |
| 19:05.31 | bryjen | !dict gubernatorial |
| 19:05.33 | guu | bryjen: web1913 and wn responded: wn: gubernatorial adj : relating to a governor; "gubernatorial election"; web1913: Gubernatorial \Gu"ber*na*to`ri*al\, a. [L. gubernator governor. See {Gabernate}.] Pertaining to a governor, or to government |
| 19:05.55 | JeffM2501 | well that would what I was thinking of |
| 19:06.08 | JeffM2501 | am I using the correct word? |
| 19:06.15 | cristi | anyone know when 2.0.2 is launched ? |
| 19:06.22 | cristi | bzflag 2.0.2 |
| 19:06.25 | JeffM2501 | launched? |
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| 19:07.08 | JeffM2501 | I think I need some better quotes for the 3 factions. |
| 19:07.57 | cristi | anyone knows when bzflag 2.0.2 will be released ? |
| 19:08.11 | JeffM2501 | when it's done |
| 19:08.26 | JeffM2501 | what features are you looking for? |
| 19:08.32 | *** join/#bzflag espen__ (~et@0x50a165f6.bynxx13.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 19:12.00 | cristi | haha |
| 19:12.01 | cristi | :) |
| 19:12.13 | cristi | new tanks :) |
| 19:12.22 | cristi | new menu |
| 19:12.45 | cristi | and new tank driving controls |
| 19:13.01 | JeffM2501 | and why do you think this will be in 2.0.2? |
| 19:13.18 | JeffM2501 | anything that is 2.0.x has to be 100% compatable with 2.0.0 |
| 19:13.38 | JeffM2501 | anything that is not comptable would have to be in 2.2.0 |
| 19:14.03 | cristi | and when 2.2.0 will be released ??? |
| 19:14.19 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 19:14.23 | cristi | :) |
| 19:14.26 | JeffM2501 | there arn't realy hard plans |
| 19:14.27 | cristi | i think 1 yr |
| 19:14.28 | cristi | :)) |
| 19:14.30 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 19:14.35 | cristi | :P |
| 19:14.35 | JeffM2501 | why do you want to know so bad? |
| 19:14.41 | Pimpi | not before a year has passed i think |
| 19:14.42 | JeffM2501 | is 2.0.0 not doing it for you? |
| 19:15.28 | cristi | JeffM2501: BZEdit has a plugin for 2.0 ? |
| 19:15.30 | Pimpi | there's not even a discussion about new features for 2.2 |
| 19:15.32 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:15.40 | JeffM2501 | there is NO BZEDIT FOR 2.0 |
| 19:15.48 | cristi | :( |
| 19:15.48 | JeffM2501 | bzedit dosn't even support plugins |
| 19:15.52 | Pimpi | ;) |
| 19:16.11 | Pimpi | JeffM2501: you had to say this often lately? |
| 19:16.14 | cristi | but why in the menu are "Plugins" ? |
| 19:16.17 | JeffM2501 | eery day |
| 19:16.24 | JeffM2501 | cristi, because plugins were planed |
| 19:16.27 | JeffM2501 | but never implemented |
| 19:16.34 | cristi | k |
| 19:16.37 | cristi | :))) |
| 19:16.38 | cristi | :))) |
| 19:16.45 | espen__ | Problem: can't start server (all defaults) - winxp, bzflag 2.0.0 "Failed... unknown error" anyone care to help me? |
| 19:16.46 | JeffM2501 | enough with the smilyes please |
| 19:17.14 | JeffM2501 | espen__, put in -d -d -d and see what it says |
| 19:17.16 | cristi | espen__, you start it with bzfs ? |
| 19:17.19 | JeffM2501 | that will give it a more detailed log |
| 19:17.41 | espen__ | no, via the menu inside bzflag app |
| 19:17.41 | cristi | espen__, or you start with BZFlag ? |
| 19:17.46 | cristi | hmm |
| 19:17.51 | cristi | It is not good |
| 19:18.04 | Grumbler | JeffM2501, where are the mob connections....or is the the IWA |
| 19:18.14 | JeffM2501 | espen__, are you running bzflag from a shortcut or directly from the app? |
| 19:18.20 | bryjen | starting it from inside bzflag is broken on windows in the 2.0 release |
| 19:18.26 | espen__ | from the shortcut |
| 19:18.28 | espen__ | ah., |
| 19:18.31 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, the IWA is like corp mob |
| 19:18.38 | espen__ | i'll try the cmdline then |
| 19:18.43 | espen__ | thx |
| 19:18.51 | JeffM2501 | there are pirate and real mob orginisations tho |
| 19:18.56 | bryjen | the server shortcuts in the start menu may work |
| 19:19.20 | JeffM2501 | none of the major powers is realy a crime syndicate, they just each have diferent ways of dealing with them. |
| 19:19.47 | JeffM2501 | the CTR kills them, the APH puts them in jail, the IWA cuts deals with them. |
| 19:20.20 | JeffM2501 | the IMTA bows to nobody ( and everyone know you don't mess with the IMTA ). |
| 19:20.42 | JeffM2501 | cus if you do, your gates stop working. |
| 19:21.06 | Grumbler | doesnt seem like the creators of the rings ever get mentioned....or did i miss that |
| 19:23.01 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/misc/multilingualSwearList.txt: added bootang and other nigarificiations |
| 19:24.36 | JeffM2501 | noone knows who made them or sent them |
| 19:25.12 | *** join/#bzflag SC (sportygali@67-21-174-30.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 19:26.05 | jpa_ | hello sc |
| 19:27.39 | Grumbler | JeffM2501, seems a little too convenient, there should be an alien fourth faction that has limited military power, but acts like dudes from babylon 5. |
| 19:28.44 | SC | hiya |
| 19:28.52 | JeffM2501 | no aliens |
| 19:28.54 | JeffM2501 | yet :) |
| 19:29.04 | JeffM2501 | life has been found on other worlds |
| 19:29.15 | JeffM2501 | but nothing sapient |
| 19:29.26 | JeffM2501 | mostly flora and fauna |
| 19:29.34 | bryjen | no monkies? |
| 19:29.34 | jpa_ | hmm.. reading finnish entries in multilingual swearlist :D |
| 19:29.48 | JeffM2501 | everyone knows somone/think made the rings. |
| 19:29.58 | JeffM2501 | but in the short time, we have yet to find them |
| 19:30.05 | jpa_ | who really writes "kusipää" as "kusipaeae" and not "kusipaa" :) |
| 19:30.28 | JeffM2501 | our exploration cabailitys are dieclty tied to the gates themselves, so it's hard to go outside there range |
| 19:31.02 | bryjen | sheesh |
| 19:31.07 | bryjen | ~spell monkies |
| 19:31.09 | ibot | possible spellings for monkies: monikers monkeys monks monies Monk's monk's moniker's honkies minks monkey's monkish mink's mongers moniker Monika's |
| 19:31.42 | bryjen | ah, huh, little monks.... that's it :/ |
| 19:31.52 | JeffM2501 | guu monkies |
| 19:31.53 | guu | JeffM2501: beats the heck outa me. |
| 19:32.07 | bryjen | guu monkeys |
| 19:32.08 | guu | bryjen: are you 11? |
| 19:32.15 | JeffM2501 | ibot monkeys |
| 19:32.16 | ibot | This problem, like many others in the computer industry, can be solved by the application of monkeys. |
| 19:32.37 | Grumbler | so the alien race is a bunch of monkeys |
| 19:32.43 | JeffM2501 | no aliens |
| 19:33.00 | Grumbler | ya gotta have aliens |
| 19:33.01 | JeffM2501 | nothing smarter then like a dog |
| 19:33.04 | Grumbler | its space |
| 19:33.17 | JeffM2501 | storys evolve over time :) |
| 19:33.39 | bryjen | space is mostly empty |
| 19:34.19 | JeffM2501 | cept for the hydrogen |
| 19:41.17 | bryjen | heh. Sapient is a word. |
| 19:42.21 | JeffM2501 | did I use it right? |
| 19:42.28 | JeffM2501 | guu dict sapient |
| 19:42.31 | guu | JeffM2501: web1913 and wn responded: wn: sapient adj : acutely insightful and wise; "much too perspicacious to be taken in by such a spurious argument"; "observant and thoughtful, he was given to asking sagacious questions"; "a source of valuable insights and sapient advice to educators" [syn: {perspicacious}, {sagacious}]; web1913: Sapient \Sa"pi*ent\, a. [L. sapiens, -entis, p. pr. of sapere (1 more message) |
| 19:42.34 | bryjen | close 'nuff |
| 19:42.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah it kinda means "thinking" |
| 19:43.07 | bryjen | !dict sentient |
| 19:43.10 | guu | bryjen: web1913 and wn responded: web1913: Sentient \Sen"ti*ent\, n. One who has the faculty of perception; a sentient being; wn: sentient adj 1: endowed with feeling and unstructured consciousness; "the living knew themselves just sentient puppets on God's stage"- T.E.Lawrence [syn: {animate}] [ant: {insentient}] 2: consciously perceiving; "sentient of the intolerable load"; "a boy so (1 more message) |
| 19:43.39 | JeffM2501 | so not nesisaraly monkey based |
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| 19:59.40 | *** join/#bzflag prodan (~prodan@p3EE0B8BA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:59.44 | prodan | moin |
| 20:00.01 | Birdie | bonjour prodan |
| 20:01.06 | purple_cow | bryjen: ibm thinkpad x40 =D |
| 20:01.17 | [Prez|Kennedy] | yeah ive got about... 50 |
| 20:01.30 | prodan | willing to waste one one me? |
| 20:01.42 | Birdie | i can give you one if you want |
| 20:01.47 | [Prez|Kennedy] | ok |
| 20:02.14 | prodan | ill contact birdie (he was first ;_) |
| 20:02.25 | [Prez|Kennedy] | works for me |
| 20:02.35 | Birdie | lol |
| 20:05.01 | prodan | btw. is there a way of having a large radar while keeping the console small? |
| 20:06.02 | bryjen | no. you could make them larger and turn off the console ( W key by default ) |
| 20:12.59 | *** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:13.31 | _Manu_ | hi! |
| 20:14.43 | _Manu_ | i'm unable to use global login.. :( the message: global login rejected, bad token |
| 20:15.28 | JeffM2501 | did you register on bzbb? |
| 20:15.33 | _Manu_ | any idea? :) |
| 20:15.40 | JeffM2501 | did you register on bzbb? |
| 20:15.44 | _Manu_ | yes.. of course.. my callsign is Manu |
| 20:15.56 | JeffM2501 | using the same password as bzbb? |
| 20:16.02 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 20:16.10 | jpa_ | verified through the email? |
| 20:16.20 | _Manu_ | if i type my password wrong.. it says wrong password |
| 20:16.26 | _Manu_ | yes.. |
| 20:16.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah his account is active |
| 20:16.47 | JeffM2501 | does it fail on all servers? or just one? |
| 20:16.49 | _Manu_ | i knew it :) |
| 20:16.57 | _Manu_ | no.. fail on all servers |
| 20:17.03 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 20:17.03 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 20:17.11 | _Manu_ | it says: global login rejected. bad token |
| 20:17.22 | jpa_ | _Manu_: can you connect to box.kapsi.fi:50140 |
| 20:17.26 | jpa_ | so i can see the log |
| 20:17.27 | _Manu_ | ok |
| 20:17.28 | JeffM2501 | that means the token you got didn't match the one the server got for you. |
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| 20:18.13 | jpa_ | hi thumpy |
| 20:18.45 | jpa_ | seems that you found your terminal :) |
| 20:19.05 | _Manu_ | failed.. downloading the map.. in boc.kapsi... |
| 20:19.27 | jpa_ | umm.. |
| 20:19.41 | jpa_ | you mean box.kapsi..... |
| 20:19.43 | _Manu_ | stoped when left 1k.. |
| 20:19.45 | _Manu_ | yes |
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| 20:20.10 | _Manu_ | and.. what is the bad taken= |
| 20:20.14 | _Manu_ | ?? |
| 20:20.23 | _Manu_ | s/taken/token |
| 20:20.36 | bryjen | !dict token |
| 20:20.38 | jpa_ | well, i'm off to sleep |
| 20:20.40 | jpa_ | cya |
| 20:20.43 | guu | bryjen: web1913, foldoc, and wn responded: web1913: Token \To"ken\, n. (Weaving) In a Jacquard loom, a colored signal to show the weaver which shuttle to use; web1913: Token \To"ken\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Tokened}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Tokening}.] [AS. t[=a]cnian, fr. t[=a]cen token. See {Token}, n.] To betoken. [Obs.] --Shak; wn: token adj : insignificantly small; a matter of form only (9 more messages) |
| 20:20.53 | bryjen | hmm |
| 20:21.48 | _Manu_ | the only problem i can think about is i'm behind a transparent proxy.. if checks ip |
| 20:21.58 | _Manu_ | over the port 80 |
| 20:22.09 | bryjen | bzflag presents your name and password to the list server, which generates a temporary random key (the token) for you. when you connect to a game server, you give it your name and token, which it checks with the list server |
| 20:22.35 | bryjen | so you never give your password to the game server |
| 20:22.36 | _Manu_ | strange.. my name is correct.. and my password too |
| 20:22.52 | _Manu_ | like a md5.... |
| 20:22.53 | Grumbler | does it use port 80 to pass the token back and forth? |
| 20:22.55 | bryjen | ah, a proxy changes things |
| 20:23.12 | _Manu_ | yes.. my isp provider use a transparent proxy over port 80 |
| 20:23.13 | bryjen | bzflag -list http://db.bzflag.org:81/bzfls.php |
| 20:23.15 | _Manu_ | it's cached |
| 20:23.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah try 81 |
| 20:23.36 | JeffM2501 | that may go around your proxy |
| 20:23.46 | JeffM2501 | a chached token is invalid |
| 20:24.14 | _Manu_ | eureka... global login acepted.. |
| 20:24.33 | JeffM2501 | the token you were geting was probalby the first token you had ever goten |
| 20:24.33 | _Manu_ | that's the problem.. the port 80 and the proxy cache |
| 20:24.48 | jpa_ | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 20:24.53 | jpa_ | ~bryjen++ |
| 20:24.59 | JeffM2501 | you can set the server in your config |
| 20:25.00 | _Manu_ | mean the transparent proxy |
| 20:25.13 | _Manu_ | yes.. i know.. i'll use the list on port 81 |
| 20:26.01 | _Manu_ | but... may a way forcing the proxy.cache to update ... |
| 20:26.20 | JeffM2501 | proxy's suck |
| 20:26.22 | _Manu_ | the server must use one command for it.. i don't remember now.. |
| 20:26.32 | _Manu_ | it's in http protocoll |
| 20:26.53 | _Manu_ | yes.. i feel it in silence.. :) |
| 20:27.07 | _Manu_ | they says.. transparent... but that's not true |
| 20:28.46 | Birdie | i just heard something from a collegue admin, that he had to ban people for a very long time, because they werent kicked from server with a short ban, and he called it a "ip cheat", any one has information about that? if it can be true etc |
| 20:29.19 | bryjen | the problem is the IP address the token was issued to (the proxy) won't match the one you connect to bzfs with (your PC) |
| 20:29.46 | _Manu_ | well.. there is a way for getting the two ip.. proxy and true ip.. |
| 20:30.04 | _Manu_ | using the http protocoll |
| 20:30.16 | Birdie | because his ip stayed the same, but he just didnt logged of, except he took a very long ban(100 000 min in this case) |
| 20:30.39 | Birdie | but its strange, if you would use that cheat, why not prevent for all bans and not only short ones? |
| 20:31.15 | bryjen | Birdie: that doesn't sound right |
| 20:33.02 | Birdie | what do you mean |
| 20:33.24 | bryjen | the length of the ban should not change anything |
| 20:33.33 | Birdie | thats why i'm wondering to |
| 20:33.38 | JeffM2501 | will open office edit a pdf? |
| 20:33.42 | JeffM2501 | or just view them? |
| 20:34.51 | _Manu_ | akaik, oo can generate pdf.. (only) |
| 20:35.16 | JeffM2501 | is there anything to edit pdfs that's open? |
| 20:35.28 | _Manu_ | yes, using java.. |
| 20:35.45 | _Manu_ | can edit, import, extract from pdf |
| 20:36.06 | bryjen | KWord's open dialog has PDF listed |
| 20:36.35 | JeffM2501 | just wondering if pdf is better then making dtr edit my horible doc formated files. |
| 20:37.04 | _Manu_ | well.. you can edit doc and then generate pdf |
| 20:37.15 | JeffM2501 | I just hate using word |
| 20:37.22 | _Manu_ | use OO :) |
| 20:37.39 | JeffM2501 | I have acrobat pro, I'll use that, if pdf is viable for edits |
| 20:39.46 | JeffM2501 | and he's been kind enough to ensure that the document is readable by other people who don't type as bad as me |
| 20:42.47 | bryjen | eeehm. KWord does open it. Not very pretty... |
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| 20:44.54 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:45.16 | JeffM2501 | maybe just normal HTML is good enough then |
| 20:46.04 | JeffM2501 | I like being able to hit a bold, and itallic for section headings |
| 20:46.12 | JeffM2501 | so simple html may be fine |
| 20:46.35 | bryjen | <H1> or <B> or <I> |
| 20:46.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:46.44 | JeffM2501 | no styles |
| 20:48.44 | JeffM2501 | man is that some UGLY HTML |
| 20:50.55 | _Manu_ | bye all, gnite! |
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| 20:52.31 | bryjen | hmm. Composer uses <span style="font-weight: bold;">Bold</span> and similar stuff for italics and underlines. |
| 20:52.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah it seems everyone does a style now |
| 20:53.01 | JeffM2501 | spans are "in" |
| 20:53.59 | bryjen | more general/generic tags |
| 20:55.42 | DTRemenak | that's truly generic. html just keeps getting more specific...it's not for design, it's for markup! |
| 20:57.03 | JeffM2501 | word seriously jacks up HTML |
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| 20:57.52 | JeffM2501 | hmm acrobat pro has "html 3.2" and "html 4.0 with css" as export options |
| 20:57.53 | DTRemenak | yeah, it does |
| 20:57.58 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:57.59 | JeffM2501 | maybe that will help |
| 20:58.18 | DTRemenak | openoffice's html export is also dramatically better than word's if you have it around |
| 20:58.43 | bryjen | preferring the term "bold" over "emphasis" is just semantics :P |
| 20:59.21 | JeffM2501 | well acrobat does make a cleaner file |
| 20:59.25 | JeffM2501 | it uses <b> |
| 20:59.57 | DTRemenak | bryjen: it's more semantically free...you could use a different color instead of actually boldfacing it, for instance...or invert the backgroud, or whatever is convenient on your platform. |
| 21:00.47 | trepan | http://members.rogers.com/trepan/blade.jpg |
| 21:01.11 | JeffM2501 | ha, that's cool |
| 21:01.23 | JeffM2501 | now make a tank shoot them, as GMs |
| 21:01.23 | trepan | it spins and dices... gotta get to work on my texturing skillz |
| 21:01.24 | DTRemenak | heh. lemme guess, it's a death driver? :) |
| 21:01.27 | bryjen | defacto standard implementation was probly boladface tho |
| 21:01.43 | DTRemenak | bryjen: defacto, yes. but using <b> forces that :) |
| 21:01.57 | DTRemenak | it's saying "I want this to look bold" not "I want this to be emphasized" |
| 21:02.14 | DTRemenak | and html shouldn't be about specifying appearances, but about communicating intentions |
| 21:02.59 | bryjen | if you can implement <em> to always mean bold on your platform, i can do <b> to mean +10 font size (big!) :P |
| 21:03.46 | DTRemenak | heh. but according to the spec, <b> is supposed to be boldface. <em> is just "apply emphasis". you're changing the meaning of the tag by implementing it that way. |
| 21:04.42 | bryjen | but if I work for a certian monopolist..... |
| 21:05.37 | DTRemenak | one of the best questions to ask yourself is "how would this sound read aloud?" you can't read bold, but you can read emphasis :) |
| 21:05.57 | DTRemenak | doing it the other way around is...backwards. |
| 21:06.42 | bryjen | I can read bold as louder, more force full (same as emphasized), and probably would |
| 21:07.41 | DTRemenak | yeah, but it's backwards. you're assuming that just because it's bold, it ought to be emphasized |
| 21:07.44 | JeffM2501 | wow, and all I wonderd was, what format to make docs in :) |
| 21:07.59 | bryjen | bold type is emphasized, but, as you pointed out emphasised doesn't have to mean bold |
| 21:08.10 | DTRemenak | <em> is a structural tag, <b> is a formatting tag |
| 21:08.15 | bryjen | ~spell emphasized |
| 21:08.16 | ibot | 'emphasized' may be spelled correctly |
| 21:08.19 | bryjen | ~spell emphasised |
| 21:08.20 | ibot | possible spellings for emphasised: emphasized emphasis ed emphasis-ed emphasis emphasis's emphasizes emphasize emphasizer emphases emphasizers |
| 21:08.26 | DTRemenak | you're saying "this is important" rather than "draw this bold" |
| 21:09.41 | bryjen | saying "draw this bold" implies "this is important", as boldfacing is a form of emphasis. |
| 21:10.03 | bryjen | its a one-way relation tho |
| 21:11.40 | bryjen | yes yes, the proceeding silliness was all JeffM2501's fault. ;) |
| 21:11.52 | JeffM2501 | so pdf then yes? |
| 21:13.09 | bryjen | i donno. in all that distraction, DTR didn't say anything about it. :/ |
| 21:13.32 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 21:13.55 | bryjen | he didn't go for the bait on the MS reference either. |
| 21:14.06 | JeffM2501 | what I'd love is a page that could allow multiple editors, links to other pages, but allow comments from non editor users. |
| 21:15.28 | JeffM2501 | and something that would track revisions on it |
| 21:15.39 | JeffM2501 | I guess there are some CMSs that do that kinda stuff |
| 21:16.29 | bryjen | an HTML page in CVS |
| 21:16.35 | bryjen | or subversion or whatever |
| 21:16.47 | JeffM2501 | but that dosn't allow for comments |
| 21:17.12 | Grumbler | bryjen, i thought you said you were going to shutup ? ;) |
| 21:17.27 | bryjen | and you believed it? ;) |
| 21:17.47 | Grumbler | you and jose canseco |
| 21:17.50 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking like an uber wiki |
| 21:18.04 | DTRemenak | mm, uberwiki |
| 21:21.02 | JeffM2501 | but I guess I don't need the wiki "make any new page just by puting in a URL that dosnt' exist" feature |
| 21:22.18 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I imagine that's an easy hack to make |
| 21:22.43 | JeffM2501 | looking at wordpress now |
| 21:22.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah I think it would be, but if it's that easy, someone should have one allready :) |
| 21:24.00 | DTRemenak | maybe it's not something people think they need? |
| 21:24.10 | JeffM2501 | well I think they do |
| 21:24.23 | JeffM2501 | it's bacily like what /. has, make an article |
| 21:24.29 | JeffM2501 | have a group that can edit it |
| 21:24.34 | JeffM2501 | and a place for comments |
| 21:25.03 | DTRemenak | so use slashcode :) |
| 21:26.00 | JeffM2501 | that seems more news like, I think I just want the article part |
| 21:26.13 | JeffM2501 | like an online documentation system |
| 21:26.30 | JeffM2501 | be cool if it could make PDFs too :) |
| 21:30.01 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: sounds like you want to write your own cms :) |
| 21:30.09 | JeffM2501 | no I don't |
| 21:30.14 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:30.21 | JeffM2501 | I want to say I've seen what I'm thinking of before |
| 21:30.37 | JeffM2501 | but it somone wanted ohh say Make one for me, I would not complain :) |
| 21:32.03 | DTRemenak | heh. try recruiting one of the php kiddies :) |
| 21:32.19 | JeffM2501 | well they have the kiddie part |
| 21:32.49 | DTRemenak | picky picky :) |
| 21:33.04 | JeffM2501 | never said I wasn't :) |
| 21:33.19 | DTRemenak | beggars can't be choosers :) |
| 21:34.10 | JeffM2501 | sure they can |
| 21:34.20 | JeffM2501 | they just have to be aware that they may not get anything |
| 21:34.42 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 21:35.33 | JeffM2501 | I think phpnuke did what I wanted it to, but nuke is a big big thing |
| 21:35.47 | JeffM2501 | maybe I can just turn off a lot of stuff |
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| 21:38.06 | crko | is there a way to convert text to mesh in blender? (everybody idle on #blender) |
| 21:38.35 | JeffM2501 | do you mean create a shape that is based on the outline of a character in a font? |
| 21:40.07 | crko | yes so i can export it and convert it to .bzw |
| 21:40.33 | JeffM2501 | I'd think they would have a tool to make a path from a string, then you'd extrude it |
| 21:40.53 | JeffM2501 | if you asked them how to "convert text to a mesh" they'd probably jsut laugh at you. |
| 21:41.02 | JeffM2501 | have you done extrusions and shapes yet? |
| 21:41.15 | crko | with the text?? |
| 21:41.19 | JeffM2501 | with anything |
| 21:41.27 | crko | oh extrusions yes ;) |
| 21:41.28 | JeffM2501 | the text realy has nothing to do with it |
| 21:41.30 | crko | shapes.. |
| 21:41.36 | JeffM2501 | the text is just a way to get an inital shape |
| 21:41.51 | JeffM2501 | and you've made like a 2d shape or path and extruded it? |
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| 21:42.40 | crko | JeffM2501, 2d |
| 21:43.01 | crko | i played with extrude a bit once ;) |
| 21:43.11 | JeffM2501 | find a tool that will convert your text into a 2d path and then extrude it |
| 21:43.34 | trepan | blender will do both |
| 21:43.34 | crko | ALT+C |
| 21:43.36 | JeffM2501 | I'd think blender would have one somwhere |
| 21:43.48 | crko | into a curve :P |
| 21:44.44 | trepan | crko: alt-c again |
| 21:45.02 | crko | Copy attributes.. |
| 21:45.24 | crko | oh no |
| 21:45.29 | trepan | in object mode |
| 21:45.29 | crko | that was CTRL + c |
| 21:46.35 | trepan | font -> curve -> mesh (both with alt-c in object mode) |
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| 21:54.32 | sussudio | TimRiker: "u_int32_t" is messing with apt factoids |
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| 22:03.53 | Legoguy | JeffM2501, trepan: looking through some files (rather grep'ing them) i see a horizontal byte for teleporters, does that mean we can have horizontal fall-through teleporters? :D |
| 22:04.07 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 22:05.55 | trepan | i don't think that the physics was ever finished for them |
| 22:06.07 | trepan | they may draw properly, but that's about it |
| 22:06.19 | JeffM2501 | ibot logs |
| 22:06.20 | ibot | i heard logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian, or stats for some channels at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz for apt, ibot, jbot and purl. |
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| 22:24.47 | bryjen | horizontal teles draw properly, but they don't teleport as expected |
| 22:30.56 | JeffM2501 | so munchkin boy there want's to be unmastebaned |
| 22:31.21 | JeffM2501 | after geting angry when I bring up the logs from when he was baned in the first place |
| 22:31.21 | sussudio | unwhat? |
| 22:31.25 | purple_cow | munchkin boy? |
| 22:31.33 | JeffM2501 | redsoxfan90 |
| 22:32.14 | JeffM2501 | he's recenly found that I've "baned him from his own server" |
| 22:32.37 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 22:33.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah so logs show that he's threatend DNS and hack atacks against prety much everyone and ther mother |
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| 22:33.49 | JeffM2501 | his best line being "<redsoxfan90>comos ur dumd go get a job to afford a server" |
| 22:34.02 | JeffM2501 | anyone see any rason to remove the ban? |
| 22:34.09 | JeffM2501 | I'm not inclined to after talking to him |
| 22:34.33 | purple_cow | hmm, comos ur dumd |
| 22:34.44 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 22:34.44 | sussudio | aol |
| 22:35.05 | JeffM2501 | thankfuly he didn't cus up a storm in public channel, but the kid has a mouth on him |
| 22:35.48 | JeffM2501 | so the vibe I'm geting from all of you is "no, you arn't realy itching to have him back in the game" |
| 22:36.26 | bryjen | someone here pointed him at the manual to see how to disable masterban on his own server. i don't think he was paying attention though. |
| 22:36.37 | JeffM2501 | no he has not |
| 22:36.42 | JeffM2501 | I told him specificly how to do it |
| 22:36.49 | JeffM2501 | he says he's not doing a server anymore |
| 22:36.54 | JeffM2501 | and going to quit the game |
| 22:36.58 | JeffM2501 | but then asks to be unbaned. |
| 22:37.12 | bryjen | ~theresthedoor |
| 22:37.30 | bryjen | hmm |
| 22:38.06 | sussudio | ~listkeys thedoor |
| 22:38.20 | trepan | http://members.rogers.com/trepan/blade.jpg (again) |
| 22:38.32 | bryjen | not a factoid |
| 22:38.40 | trepan | note the alpha bleed thru on the second blade |
| 22:39.00 | crko | who made the map for hepcat tybox ? |
| 22:39.08 | brlcad | JeffM2501: ooh, i'd like to see his response to the logs :) |
| 22:39.19 | trepan | think it's the filtering, did an alpha threshold on the png |
| 22:39.24 | sussudio | crko: sid, i think |
| 22:39.28 | crko | hm |
| 22:39.46 | brlcad | he's been a rude little jerk from the very beginning, I'd gather that he is very young |
| 22:39.46 | crko | any of you know how he got the hepcat logo in the middle |
| 22:39.52 | crko | to show on the radar? |
| 22:40.00 | Birdie | redsox is 9 or 10 if i remember |
| 22:40.06 | brlcad | crko: it's modeled |
| 22:40.10 | sussudio | crko: put it in the air |
| 22:40.14 | brlcad | there are boxes floating up in the air |
| 22:40.14 | trepan | crko: silverfox used bzmapper, with the "image" keyword |
| 22:40.24 | crko | sussudio, i did but it didn't show on the radar |
| 22:40.40 | brlcad | too high :) |
| 22:40.43 | sussudio | it won't if it's thin and high enough |
| 22:40.53 | crko | brlcad, but i can't see it in the air |
| 22:40.57 | crko | in tybox :P |
| 22:41.28 | brlcad | can you see it as observer? |
| 22:41.39 | crko | hm w8 |
| 22:43.28 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/data/ (blade.png Makefile.am): cheezy alpha thresh'ed saw blade |
| 22:43.32 | crko | nope.. |
| 22:44.02 | crko | where could i get bzmapper? |
| 22:44.03 | JeffM2501 | the dude is 10? |
| 22:44.04 | crko | :> |
| 22:44.21 | Birdie | red baron told me he heard he is 10 |
| 22:44.35 | Birdie | but when i asked redsox he answered: do you think a guy of 10 can make servers |
| 22:44.41 | JeffM2501 | if he is, and hasn't sent in permisions, we can't store his account for him. |
| 22:45.11 | crko | trepan, the link on the purple panzer's page isn't working :/ |
| 22:45.45 | bryjen | which pair of munchies was it that were doing Windows remote assist over the 'net trying to get a server going? |
| 22:45.51 | Pimpi | why shouldn't a guy of 10 be able to make servers? |
| 22:45.55 | JeffM2501 | him and brad |
| 22:46.10 | Birdie | dunno pimpi, it was redsox his answer.. |
| 22:46.19 | bryjen | so maybe 1 guy of ten can't... |
| 22:46.33 | JeffM2501 | well today red wanted me to get on MSN, and use rmote assistnace to "go thru his filz" so I could see that he's not a cheater |
| 22:46.37 | trepan | crko: it's on shellshock somewhere |
| 22:46.41 | crko | trepan, k |
| 22:46.44 | Pimpi | bryjen: ;) |
| 22:47.07 | Pimpi | nite |
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| 22:47.08 | Birdie | hey jeff redsox talked about you on gamesunited |
| 22:47.17 | JeffM2501 | he did? |
| 22:47.24 | JeffM2501 | what did he say? |
| 22:47.36 | bryjen | I'm sure people talk about JeffM2501 lots of places |
| 22:47.37 | JeffM2501 | let me guess... that I have 3 nipples? |
| 22:47.45 | Birdie | that it wasnt right that he was masterbanned, that you were wrong, that he hasnt done something, and that he talked to tim riker about it |
| 22:48.01 | JeffM2501 | he did talk to tim about it |
| 22:48.01 | Birdie | he said the things that happened about cheating etc happened on the day his pc was hacked |
| 22:48.08 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 22:48.09 | JeffM2501 | hacked |
| 22:48.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:48.14 | brlcad | I could have started a server when I was 10, so I wouldn't put it past him :) |
| 22:48.16 | sussudio | Birdie: i've heard that one before. |
| 22:48.20 | JeffM2501 | well sadly the logs show otherwise. |
| 22:48.29 | Birdie | and he is learning hacking from one of his good friends |
| 22:48.32 | bryjen | and JeffM2501 is one of the evil evil hax0rs after all |
| 22:48.34 | bryjen | ;) |
| 22:48.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah he is |
| 22:48.37 | sussudio | *cough* Dervish *cough* |
| 22:49.04 | JeffM2501 | well there was that one time, I used net send to show a guy how open his system was |
| 22:49.13 | JeffM2501 | but that was REALY funny |
| 22:49.22 | Pizbit_ | heh |
| 22:49.28 | Pizbit_ | What message did you send? |
| 22:49.59 | JeffM2501 | D00d, J00z R T0tly bngz h4X0rd |
| 22:50.26 | bryjen | L1k3 T0tly |
| 22:50.39 | JeffM2501 | then just reponcess to things he saw in IRC |
| 22:50.50 | JeffM2501 | then we showed him how to firewall |
| 22:50.53 | Pizbit | haha |
| 22:51.02 | JeffM2501 | twas ages ago |
| 22:51.09 | Pizbit | Tell him how to disable the service too?:) |
| 22:51.22 | sussudio | neh... it was way more funny to do net send "this is your mom, stop doing that right now!" |
| 22:51.38 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, redsoxfan90 wants me to remove his ban, so I was going over the logs with him from when he was baned, asking him about the things he said and did. |
| 22:51.58 | JeffM2501 | he's got quite a little mough for a 10 year old |
| 22:52.09 | JeffM2501 | if he is 10 |
| 22:52.27 | JeffM2501 | did you receve a coppa form for him? |
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| 22:55.09 | JeffM2501 | dang, hate that button |
| 22:57.02 | Tupone | brlcad: what about releasing 2.0.2 the week-end ? |
| 22:57.21 | Tupone | well, TimRiker also :) |
| 22:57.41 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: no coppa form for him. |
| 22:57.51 | crko | argh |
| 22:58.05 | crko | i can't seem to compile bmp2bzw.c under windows :/ |
| 22:58.08 | TimRiker | so if he's really under 13 he should either send in a form or get his account disabled. |
| 22:58.32 | TimRiker | Tupone: yeah. things have settled down. I think it's time for a 2.0.2 |
| 22:58.36 | brlcad | Tupone: Hmmm... |
| 22:59.08 | Tupone | for the Mac problem, we should investigate with SDL and local X (or whatever is) |
| 23:00.10 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: anyone I have a coppa form for is in the coppa group. |
| 23:00.23 | JeffM2501 | ah cool |
| 23:00.27 | JeffM2501 | good idea |
| 23:00.36 | JeffM2501 | that must be why you make the big bucks :) |
| 23:01.07 | *** join/#bzflag Privia (~Privia@h000d93444438.ne.client2.attbi.com) |
| 23:01.15 | JeffM2501 | well you live in texas, I'd venture to say your cost of living is a bit lower then mine |
| 23:02.07 | brlcad | Isn't everything bigger in Texas? |
| 23:02.16 | JeffM2501 | unless 1 bedroom condos cost 250k out there too |
| 23:02.50 | bryjen | wth is a .wdp file? |
| 23:03.48 | TimRiker | nope. rates might be that high in the city, but I live 20 miles north east. |
| 23:04.02 | bryjen | unless that's .wpd and he was going to attach a WordPerfect Doc |
| 23:04.08 | bryjen | ewwgh |
| 23:04.12 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, it could ether be a web directory, or a autodesk worksace defincion file, or word perfect |
| 23:04.30 | bryjen | munchies and screenshots |
| 23:04.31 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, I'm 50 miles outside of the LA city proper |
| 23:04.37 | JeffM2501 | they get higher closer to LA |
| 23:04.46 | bryjen | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2918 |
| 23:05.31 | JeffM2501 | wow they had to do picture to do save as text? |
| 23:05.32 | TimRiker | a .wpd but probably not the droids you are looking for http://www.webdirectory.co.yu/help/help/i_s_extension.htm |
| 23:05.32 | JeffM2501 | that's sad |
| 23:06.15 | JeffM2501 | wonder if maybe that's what wordpad saves in now |
| 23:06.47 | trepan | windev wdp? |
| 23:06.54 | JeffM2501 | nope it does rtf |
| 23:07.51 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, I don't see wpd on that topic at all |
| 23:09.17 | JeffM2501 | ohh on the other one |
| 23:09.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah BIYA is "Special" |
| 23:09.32 | JeffM2501 | teaching him math was fun |
| 23:10.20 | bryjen | yeah. I notices the pics attached to the one post, then the comment about the odd file extension in the other |
| 23:11.04 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking that if you can't make a text file, you may not have any reason to start a server |
| 23:11.10 | JeffM2501 | tho they showed the hard way |
| 23:11.22 | JeffM2501 | right click -> new -> text file -> double click. |
| 23:11.49 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-015-142.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:11.59 | bryjen | we get users pasting printscreens into Word .doc's and emailing them to us here quite often :( |
| 23:12.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah I've seen that far too often |
| 23:12.25 | JeffM2501 | even paint in XP does png files now |
| 23:13.49 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, maybe a folowup e-mail to the guy asking if he's had a chance, and if not asking if knows what code CD it may be on to help narrow the search? |
| 23:14.34 | AradaPilot | any way to get bz working through an http proxy? |
| 23:14.48 | JeffM2501 | for play? or just to get the list server? |
| 23:14.52 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I figured I'd give him until this weekend |
| 23:15.00 | crko | trepan, how do i convert bmp to bzw with bzmapper... |
| 23:15.08 | crko | since it makes a bmp2bzw.o |
| 23:15.08 | JeffM2501 | for play bzflag REALY wants udp, so http would not be good for that |
| 23:15.35 | JeffM2501 | if it's just for a web lookup on an ISP that has a proxy, you can use port 81 on the list server that gets around most of them. |
| 23:15.39 | trepan | crko: the bzmapper .zip on shellshock already has a windows .exe in it |
| 23:15.48 | crko | trepan, linux |
| 23:16.00 | crko | and i think it doesn't |
| 23:16.02 | trepan | use the bzmapper exec, not an object file |
| 23:16.05 | crko | it had bzmapper.exe |
| 23:16.14 | crko | not bmp2bzw.exe :/ |
| 23:16.17 | trepan | ya, that's the windows exec |
| 23:16.21 | crko | yes |
| 23:16.33 | crko | how do i run the command? |
| 23:16.37 | trepan | look up, way up (something about the "image" keyword) |
| 23:17.32 | crko | image_key |
| 23:17.36 | crko | that? |
| 23:17.44 | trepan | why are you looking at the source? |
| 23:17.49 | crko | hm |
| 23:18.01 | crko | where should i look for the image? |
| 23:18.38 | crko | in the help of bzmapper.exe ? |
| 23:18.58 | trepan | you're on linux right? the .exe is for windows folks |
| 23:19.06 | crko | i can be on both |
| 23:19.12 | crko | i have a linux shell open |
| 23:19.15 | crko | and am on windows :P |
| 23:19.20 | crko | which do you prefer ;) |
| 23:19.38 | crko | hehe |
| 23:19.43 | crko | me neither :P |
| 23:20.08 | crko | i have it all compiled on linux and the exe ready on windows so what do i need to do? |
| 23:20.11 | trepan | in linux, you need to 'make' first |
| 23:20.18 | crko | i have done that |
| 23:20.33 | trepan | have you tried to run the exec in linux? |
| 23:20.40 | crko | yes |
| 23:20.44 | crko | the same as in windows |
| 23:20.45 | crko | :P |
| 23:20.48 | trepan | what was the output? |
| 23:20.52 | trepan | the first help line? |
| 23:20.58 | trepan | the usage line... |
| 23:21.06 | crko | Usage: ./bzmapper [OPTIONS] <infile> [outfile] |
| 23:21.11 | trepan | did that not give you any clue ? |
| 23:21.17 | crko | it did |
| 23:21.22 | trepan | ok, run with it then |
| 23:21.23 | crko | oh so i... |
| 23:21.32 | crko | ./bzmapper bla.bmp bla.bzw ? |
| 23:21.33 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, he may not be at work this weekend, best to mail him during the week :) |
| 23:21.39 | JeffM2501 | like right now |
| 23:21.54 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:21.55 | JeffM2501 | it's been what 2 weeks now? |
| 23:21.56 | trepan | crko: i'm done typing, read worlds/tutorial.bzg for more help |
| 23:22.02 | crko | ok |
| 23:22.04 | crko | bye |
| 23:22.05 | brlcad | not quite iirc |
| 23:22.06 | crko | thanks ;) |
| 23:22.18 | JeffM2501 | I still think your outside the realm of "insessant bugging" |
| 23:22.20 | brlcad | or maybe .. it's around that long |
| 23:23.07 | JeffM2501 | I mean you know I must be hard up for a project.. I'm writing FICTION for cripes sake. |
| 23:23.14 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (Tupone@84.222.139.176) |
| 23:23.16 | brlcad | I'll fire one off tomorrow then :) |
| 23:23.24 | JeffM2501 | Fiction I tell you |
| 23:23.58 | JeffM2501 | it's like bearded women, it's posible, but just not right |
| 23:24.49 | Birdie | lol:) |
| 23:26.08 | Blue-Eyes | bye all nite |
| 23:27.02 | *** part/#bzflag Blue-Eyes (~fly_for_y@host120-152.pool62211.interbusiness.it) |
| 23:43.18 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy (~Lego|Desk@adsl-67-37-229-185.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 23:47.31 | crko | yey i got it working :> |
| 23:49.43 | Legoguy | if there's 2 team bases, and you specify two team flags for each team, will they automatically go one per base? |
| 23:49.56 | Legoguy | i mean 2 bases per team |
| 23:50.18 | Legoguy | well i suppose i could just try myself :P |
| 23:51.44 | menotume | interesting |
| 23:51.57 | JeffM2501 | I think it's random |
