| 00:11.09 | *** join/#bzflag Quol (~Quol@modemcable103.129-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 00:18.08 | crko | can i make a weapon shoot upwards? |
| 00:18.40 | trepan_away | bounce it off of a sloped object |
| 00:19.10 | crko | sloped object? |
| 00:19.23 | trepan | think for 10 seconds |
| 00:19.26 | crko | hm |
| 00:19.29 | crko | pyramid? |
| 00:19.35 | crko | rotated box? |
| 00:19.45 | JeffM2501 | are they sloped? |
| 00:20.02 | trepan | i didn't see type random thoughts for the next 10 seconds |
| 00:20.06 | trepan | s/see/say |
| 00:20.14 | crko | :P |
| 00:27.16 | crko | it's kind of tricky i want a laser to go up and return down (so like a roof on top) so it would be like a light |
| 00:27.33 | crko | and that it always fires :P |
| 00:27.47 | crko | so i don'w know if i manage to get it upwards |
| 00:28.09 | crko | how to get it down and for enample back up |
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| 00:29.00 | JeffM2501 | crko, are you talking like from a world weapon? or your tank? |
| 00:29.05 | trepan | crko: a laser will not actually "light up" nearby objects |
| 00:29.07 | crko | world |
| 00:29.14 | crko | trepan, i know |
| 00:29.28 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean "return down"? |
| 00:29.33 | crko | look |
| 00:29.34 | JeffM2501 | along it's same path? |
| 00:29.36 | trepan | if you want it on all the time, you're better off using a "death" physics driver |
| 00:29.36 | crko | so a laser |
| 00:29.39 | crko | would be looped |
| 00:29.57 | crko | trepan, in what way? |
| 00:30.09 | crko | i don't want it to roam freely that's the point |
| 00:30.15 | crko | i want it like a neon |
| 00:30.19 | crko | upwards |
| 00:30.41 | crko | so it would be looped: weapon fires, goes up, comes down, goes up, comes down |
| 00:30.46 | crko | sort of a light :P |
| 00:31.09 | trepan | computationally expensive to calculate all the ricos unless you play with the BZDB vars |
| 00:31.29 | crko | hm |
| 00:31.33 | trepan | it'll also eat up bandwidth |
| 00:31.37 | crko | yes... |
| 00:31.54 | crko | i first thought it would be simple :> |
| 00:32.00 | crko | but i can leave it out ;) |
| 00:32.16 | crko | won't destroy anything :) |
| 00:40.52 | trepan | hmmm, too bad http/1.1's "Content-MD5" is optional :) |
| 00:41.13 | shorty114 | heh |
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| 00:43.43 | JeffM2501 | crko, make it as a mesh object |
| 00:43.46 | JeffM2501 | with the lazer texture |
| 00:43.51 | JeffM2501 | then it'll be allways oj |
| 00:43.54 | JeffM2501 | on |
| 00:43.57 | JeffM2501 | like a tron beam |
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| 00:45.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah it woudl help |
| 00:45.31 | JeffM2501 | and particle systems |
| 00:45.38 | [shorty114] | #bzflag Banlist: Fri Feb 11 12:52:56 *!*@*.client.comcast.net JeffM2501!~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc |
| 00:45.41 | [shorty114] | what's up with that? |
| 00:45.47 | trepan | and a whole new rendering engine :) |
| 00:45.49 | [shorty114] | it banned the whole of comcast o.o |
| 00:45.57 | JeffM2501 | comcast sucks |
| 00:46.02 | shorty114 | no reason to ban it... |
| 00:46.19 | JeffM2501 | are you on comcast? |
| 00:46.22 | shorty114 | yeah |
| 00:46.32 | shorty114 | but my .user mask lets me get in |
| 00:46.37 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!*@*.client.comcast.net] by JeffM2501 |
| 00:46.43 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 00:46.43 | shorty114 | thx :) |
| 00:46.52 | JeffM2501 | comcast still sucks |
| 00:47.05 | shorty114 | i _would_ use DSL, but they haven't put up service for my area yet |
| 00:47.07 | shorty114 | which is weird |
| 00:47.11 | JeffM2501 | move |
| 00:47.14 | shorty114 | because just down the road there's DSL |
| 00:47.14 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, i'm not on comcast, but why does it suck? they are cheaper then anyone around here at least in the northeast states |
| 00:47.26 | shorty114 | sgk284: DSL's usually cheaper |
| 00:47.29 | JeffM2501 | out here they have horible service |
| 00:47.37 | JeffM2501 | and harsh bandwith concerns |
| 00:47.41 | sgk284 | oh okay |
| 00:47.43 | JeffM2501 | and there cable TV sucks |
| 00:47.48 | sgk284 | yea they do block ports which sucks |
| 00:47.52 | shorty114 | they do? |
| 00:47.53 | sgk284 | i think |
| 00:47.55 | JeffM2501 | digital my pale white butt! |
| 00:48.02 | shorty114 | i haven't experienced anything like htat... |
| 00:48.13 | sgk284 | if they see too much mail coming from port 25 they'll shut it off |
| 00:48.16 | shorty114 | they didn't block :80, as far as i know |
| 00:48.18 | sgk284 | which is a good thing imho |
| 00:48.31 | shorty114 | cuz i'm doing a webserver off here right now |
| 00:48.36 | JeffM2501 | I'm just not a fan of the shared bandwith thing |
| 00:48.39 | JeffM2501 | even tho DSL shares some |
| 00:48.41 | sgk284 | shorty114, actually i dont know if they block anymore or ever did, i know it was discussed though |
| 00:48.47 | sgk284 | yea i like dsl |
| 00:48.48 | JeffM2501 | but at least I have minimums I allways get |
| 00:48.54 | JeffM2501 | DSL shares some |
| 00:48.59 | sgk284 | and with verizon starting to roll out fiber i figure i can wait for that:) |
| 00:49.06 | shorty114 | :) |
| 00:49.14 | JeffM2501 | verizon will be the next to be absorbed |
| 00:49.25 | JeffM2501 | sbc will rule all |
| 00:49.25 | sgk284 | by who? |
| 00:49.28 | sgk284 | oh heh |
| 00:49.37 | sgk284 | hey as long as the badnwidth gets cheaper i dont care ;) |
| 00:49.42 | JeffM2501 | sbc has the largest fiber network in the US |
| 00:49.46 | JeffM2501 | and it's all at my house. |
| 00:49.49 | sgk284 | lol |
| 00:49.55 | shorty114 | lol |
| 00:50.43 | sgk284 | as long as I can get 30mbps for $50-60 a month, i dont care who is giving me the fiber ;) |
| 00:51.01 | shorty114 | ya |
| 00:51.05 | JeffM2501 | it'll be 20mps |
| 00:51.13 | sgk284 | sbc or verizon? |
| 00:51.15 | JeffM2501 | and it'll be your TV too |
| 00:51.30 | JeffM2501 | sbc is working on combining, TV, net, and voice over IP, into one line |
| 00:51.54 | sgk284 | voip seems interesting... the whole no 911 thing is a little disturbing |
| 00:51.57 | JeffM2501 | with DVR and programing on demand |
| 00:52.16 | sgk284 | ever use comcast's on demand thing? its pretty cool |
| 00:52.17 | JeffM2501 | they'll get that worked out |
| 00:52.22 | JeffM2501 | no I have not |
| 00:52.34 | JeffM2501 | alephia bought out comcast ehre |
| 00:52.39 | JeffM2501 | made it even worse |
| 00:52.42 | sgk284 | heh |
| 00:52.43 | JeffM2501 | I do satalite |
| 00:52.54 | JeffM2501 | and my $50 tivo |
| 00:53.05 | sgk284 | heh |
| 00:53.08 | sgk284 | doesnt everyone? |
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| 00:53.27 | JeffM2501 | well cable people get reamed on the TiVo |
| 00:53.33 | JeffM2501 | single tuner.. what's the point |
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| 00:54.42 | sgk284 | a guy i know on campus has a mythtv box set up, its pretty nice |
| 00:54.53 | sgk284 | think he has 2 tuners, tivo has 3 right? |
| 00:55.02 | JeffM2501 | 2 |
| 00:55.09 | JeffM2501 | my sat tivo comes with 2 |
| 00:55.14 | sgk284 | oh okay |
| 00:55.17 | JeffM2501 | the basic Tivo for cable has 1 |
| 00:55.49 | JeffM2501 | I see cable people pay 175$ for a single tuner cable tivo |
| 00:55.58 | sgk284 | wow thats nuts |
| 00:56.11 | JeffM2501 | when they could get a sat one for 50$ and pay about the same montly |
| 00:56.20 | JeffM2501 | and it has 2 tuners and all digital pictures |
| 00:56.30 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org |
| 00:56.33 | JeffM2501 | the "digitial" cable out here, is only digital past channel 72 |
| 00:56.48 | bryjen | !decks |
| 00:56.48 | guu | http://bzgirl.bzflag.org/decks.html |
| 00:58.33 | bryjen | ah, nevermind. !dinner |
| 01:00.08 | shorty114 | !dinner |
| 01:00.08 | guu | shorty114: this is IRC not a retard convention. |
| 01:00.15 | shorty114 | heh |
| 01:00.29 | wegstar | hehe |
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| 01:07.32 | trepan | JeffM2501: does windows support the notion of immutable files? (like *nixes' chattr) |
| 01:08.03 | JeffM2501 | don't know what that means? |
| 01:08.13 | trepan | you set a file immutable, and it cannot be modified (even by root), and its parent directories can't be deleted either |
| 01:08.33 | JeffM2501 | you can lock a file, but that just prevents the shell from doing it |
| 01:08.44 | JeffM2501 | it can be removed by other means |
| 01:08.54 | JeffM2501 | NTFS may support it |
| 01:08.55 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 01:09.23 | JeffM2501 | you coudl remove the system permision |
| 01:09.32 | trepan | how about if Administrator owns the file, can other users delete it (and parent dirs) |
| 01:09.36 | JeffM2501 | then even the OS could not do anything to the file |
| 01:09.45 | JeffM2501 | if it's JUST the admin, no |
| 01:10.03 | JeffM2501 | like a regular user can't delete anything in my profile |
| 01:10.12 | JeffM2501 | cus it's just me, admins, and the system that have perms |
| 01:10.16 | JeffM2501 | not the "everyone" perm |
| 01:10.20 | trepan | then that's probably good enough... as long it's possible for others to still read it |
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| 01:10.47 | JeffM2501 | then set the everyone perm to "read only" |
| 01:10.55 | JeffM2501 | and you, and the system to "full controll" |
| 01:11.20 | JeffM2501 | protection? |
| 01:11.34 | trepan | well, just checking the windows side really :) |
| 01:11.46 | JeffM2501 | now this dosn't exist on fat32 |
| 01:11.48 | JeffM2501 | it's NTFS only |
| 01:11.49 | trepan | ya, make a .bzf/SiteList file with ALLOW and DENY keys |
| 01:12.02 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 01:12.06 | trepan | if the file exists, then use its listed permissions |
| 01:12.19 | trepan | so parents can block the kiddies on tightly control boxes |
| 01:12.26 | trepan | s/control/controlled |
| 01:12.34 | JeffM2501 | shoudl probalby do servers like that too |
| 01:12.40 | trepan | huh? |
| 01:12.50 | trepan | ah... |
| 01:12.53 | JeffM2501 | let parents disallow a client to connect to a server |
| 01:13.01 | trepan | like planet mofo ? |
| 01:13.06 | JeffM2501 | that is know to be "filty" as ducatiwanabe calls em |
| 01:13.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:13.32 | trepan | easy enough to implement |
| 01:15.13 | trepan | probably just use the same control file |
| 01:15.43 | trepan | na, potentially too limiting for server access |
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| 01:41.30 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (6 files in 4 dirs): put the simple globbing routine into libCommon |
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| 02:22.17 | retro | ~seen trepan |
| 02:22.18 | ibot | trepan is currently on #bzflag. Has said a total of 151 messages. Is idling for 1h 6m 35s |
| 02:22.51 | retro | ~seen sgk284 |
| 02:22.52 | ibot | sgk284 is currently on #bzflag (1d 6h 42m 16s). Has said a total of 108 messages. Is idling for 1h 26m 54s |
| 02:25.32 | sgk284 | retro, whats up? |
| 02:25.55 | retro | hey, just wanted to let you know I _FINALLY_ installed my new graphics card (the one you helped me pick) |
| 02:26.03 | retro | on secretplace, I'm getting about 150fps. :) |
| 02:26.26 | retro | The big surprise is it actually improved my game too! |
| 02:26.29 | wegstar | ah |
| 02:26.40 | wegstar | ~seen wegstar |
| 02:26.41 | ibot | wegstar is currently on #botpark (38m 53s) #bzflag (38m 53s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 1s |
| 02:27.16 | sgk284 | retro, wow that is awesome |
| 02:27.18 | sgk284 | congrats:) |
| 02:27.23 | retro | so, thanks sgk284 - and trepan too, but he's hiding. :-) |
| 02:27.40 | sgk284 | heh |
| 02:27.55 | retro | when there are a lot of players (i.e. tanks to draw) it can drop down to 100 fps. |
| 02:28.00 | retro | like I can tell the diff. :) |
| 02:29.25 | retro | Oh, and remember I was complaining about the ugly fonts? They look fine now. I wonder what my old card wasn't doing that it should have been doing... |
| 02:29.56 | sgk284 | hehe |
| 02:30.01 | sgk284 | good to hear |
| 02:33.11 | Legoguy | retro: what kind of card? |
| 02:33.22 | retro | Do I have to tell you my secret? :) |
| 02:33.28 | retro | ati all-in-wonder radeon 9800 |
| 02:33.41 | Legoguy | no, because I have an nVidia GeForce FX 5900 |
| 02:33.43 | retro | I think there's also the work pro in there somewhere |
| 02:33.56 | retro | gah s/work/word/ |
| 02:34.27 | Legoguy | ATI is any linux user's worst nightmare when it comes to driver support |
| 02:34.36 | retro | On linux, I could see that. On Winder's, it ain't so bad. |
| 02:35.03 | Legoguy | besides, imo nvidia stuff is better overall ;) |
| 02:35.15 | Legoguy | paid $203 for this card |
| 02:35.19 | Legoguy | USD |
| 02:35.36 | retro | well, I heard that video capture is better on ATI, and I want to get a bunch of my old video tapes onto DVD, so, ATI it was. |
| 02:35.52 | retro | I paid about USD $250 for mine. |
| 02:36.00 | Legoguy | hah, nvidia ViVo is great |
| 02:36.23 | retro | Either way, I'm not going to engage in a video card war with you. :) |
| 02:36.41 | retro | I have enough of the Commodore vs. Apple ][ vs. Atari years ago. :) |
| 02:37.59 | Legoguy | haha |
| 02:38.07 | Legoguy | brb, fixing neighbor's computer |
| 02:38.10 | Legoguy | teh $$ |
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| 02:52.47 | brlcad | LouMan: try a different browser |
| 02:53.07 | brlcad | or stop closing the window |
| 03:08.25 | brlcad | main traffic here |
| 03:08.29 | brlcad | :) |
| 03:09.56 | LouMan | test |
| 03:17.44 | doughecka1 | is the list server down? |
| 03:24.47 | shorty114 | ~bzflist |
| 03:24.52 | shorty114 | nope |
| 03:24.59 | shorty114 | unless ibot's results are cached |
| 03:25.22 | shorty114 | nope |
| 03:25.28 | shorty114 | i can open it in firefox |
| 03:25.31 | doughecka1 | I cant resolve my.bzflag.org |
| 03:25.41 | shorty114 | i can... |
| 03:25.46 | Pizbit | Works here |
| 03:25.46 | doughecka1 | huh |
| 03:25.55 | shorty114 | try: |
| 03:25.56 | doughecka1 | what is my.bzflag.org's ip address |
| 03:26.02 | shorty114 | http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST |
| 03:26.08 | shorty114 | in your browser |
| 03:26.30 | doughecka1 | cant resolve, must have issues :) |
| 03:26.34 | Pizbit | doughecka1: Sounds like your dns is fubar. |
| 03:26.40 | sgk284 | any devs around to ask a non-bzflag coding question about? :) |
| 03:26.41 | shorty114 | doughecka1: it's on your end then. |
| 03:27.09 | doughecka1 | what is its ip address |
| 03:27.24 | shorty114 | ~dnslookup my.bzflag.org |
| 03:27.28 | doughecka1 | cool |
| 03:58.01 | retro | sgk284, you still have that question? |
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| 04:07.59 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 04:16.59 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): add generic AccessList for local client control of server access (and eventually for http download control) |
| 04:17.10 | trepan | brlcad: regex too, just for you :) |
| 04:21.29 | brlcad | ahh, access list via regex |
| 04:21.31 | brlcad | sweet |
| 04:23.27 | trepan | dunno about the file names, server_list.txt and download_list.txt |
| 04:23.27 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: comment correction |
| 04:24.14 | trepan | s/list/access ? |
| 04:24.39 | trepan | brlcad: and easy globbing too, for those who think 'man 7 regex' is greek |
| 04:25.34 | trepan | (p.s. it's all for show, it'll never get used :) |
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| 04:37.57 | MeBigFatGuy | anyone know in subversion when local copies are locked, and cleanup doesn't work? |
| 04:38.01 | MeBigFatGuy | what to do? |
| 04:38.18 | shorty114 | ~dnslookup blast.game-host.org |
| 04:39.45 | *** part/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 04:40.49 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/common/AccessList.cxx: renamed the access files (ServerAccess.txt and DownloadAccess.txt) |
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| 04:45.06 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 04:48.09 | shorty114 | any devs around? |
| 04:49.20 | MeBigFatGuy | bolderdash |
| 04:49.29 | shorty114 | IIRC it's balderdash |
| 04:49.44 | bryjen | ~google bolderdash |
| 04:50.08 | shorty114 | o.o |
| 04:50.11 | shorty114 | anyway |
| 04:50.15 | bryjen | hmm, not what i was thinking |
| 04:50.17 | shorty114 | bryjen!! |
| 04:50.22 | shorty114 | http://www.shorty114.net/projects/bzflag/ |
| 04:50.27 | shorty114 | what image should i use for the logo? |
| 04:50.32 | shorty114 | or JeffM2501 |
| 04:50.59 | shorty114 | * JeffM2501 points at bryjen pointing at MeBigFatGuy pointing at JeffM2501 |
| 04:51.03 | shorty114 | :) |
| 04:52.50 | shorty114 | any answers |
| 04:52.51 | shorty114 | ? |
| 04:53.12 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 04:53.19 | shorty114 | <shorty114> http://www.shorty114.net/projects/bzflag/ |
| 04:53.19 | shorty114 | * bryjen points at MeBigFatGuy pointing at JeffM2501 |
| 04:53.19 | shorty114 | <shorty114> what image should i use for the logo? |
| 04:53.25 | shorty114 | minus the bryjen part |
| 04:53.25 | JeffM2501 | again |
| 04:53.26 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 04:53.32 | JeffM2501 | what do you want? |
| 04:53.39 | brlcad | i want tacos |
| 04:53.44 | JeffM2501 | mmmm me too |
| 04:53.47 | JeffM2501 | I want code |
| 04:53.49 | shorty114 | somethign like the other logos (phpbb and php2press) |
| 04:53.50 | JeffM2501 | got any code? :) |
| 04:53.54 | brlcad | mmm.. code |
| 04:54.02 | brlcad | will code for tacos? |
| 04:54.09 | creeperz | mmm. brownies |
| 04:54.09 | JeffM2501 | I see no images on that page |
| 04:54.25 | JeffM2501 | bzflag has no real logo |
| 04:54.26 | JeffM2501 | make one |
| 04:54.30 | shorty114 | ok..... |
| 04:54.30 | sgk284 | JeffM2501, in case you were curious, it was a linking issue:) |
| 04:54.41 | JeffM2501 | ahh cool, that's what I thought |
| 04:54.47 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, anymessage? ; |
| 04:54.49 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: where's that temp download page you made again? |
| 04:55.04 | JeffM2501 | temp? |
| 04:55.14 | shorty114 | when SF.net was down? |
| 04:55.17 | shorty114 | or maybe it was bzflag.bz |
| 04:55.37 | JeffM2501 | nonoe ever looks up |
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| 04:55.54 | brlcad | nope |
| 04:56.00 | *** part/#bzflag JesseW (~chatzilla@host-66-81-202-4.rev.o1.com) |
| 04:56.17 | wegstar | hehe |
| 04:56.36 | bryjen | good thing MeBigFatGuy wasn't outside in the rain |
| 04:56.38 | bryjen | ;) |
| 04:56.39 | creeperz | found a can too! |
| 04:56.44 | creeperz | crap, wrong window |
| 04:56.49 | creeperz | should check next time... |
| 04:56.51 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 04:57.13 | creeperz | JeffM2501: are you a full-time dev again? |
| 04:57.22 | wegstar | I guess so... |
| 04:57.22 | trepan | now all you need is some string and another can, and you can have your own internet |
| 04:57.22 | JeffM2501 | for? |
| 04:57.25 | creeperz | bz |
| 04:57.35 | creeperz | yeah :-) |
| 04:57.51 | JeffM2501 | well I'd be if we could get the code for bz from the author, but brlcad hasn't goten a message back yet |
| 04:58.03 | creeperz | oh |
| 04:58.05 | creeperz | whats goin on? |
| 04:58.19 | trepan | JeffM2501: ya think it's gonna be that good, or is it just for the name? |
| 04:58.29 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 04:58.32 | JeffM2501 | I just want to see it |
| 04:58.37 | JeffM2501 | the gameplay sounds interesting |
| 04:58.41 | JeffM2501 | with the missiles |
| 04:58.45 | creeperz | what game? |
| 04:58.50 | JeffM2501 | bz |
| 04:58.54 | creeperz | ohh |
| 04:58.55 | JeffM2501 | the one we have no code for |
| 04:59.05 | creeperz | ahhh |
| 04:59.18 | wegstar | ehhhh |
| 04:59.24 | creeperz | im still a bit fuzzy, but im too messed up to hear any more details :-) |
| 04:59.54 | JeffM2501 | what's hard to understand about not having the code to bz, so it can't be ported to modern hardware? |
| 04:59.58 | JeffM2501 | it's a prety simple concept |
| 05:00.13 | wegstar | a bomb! |
| 05:00.44 | creeperz | wegstar: its stuff like that that makes people weary of riding in elavators with you |
| 05:00.55 | creeperz | elevators* |
| 05:00.56 | wegstar | ah :) |
| 05:01.15 | creeperz | specially with the trench coat and big black dufflebag |
| 05:01.24 | shorty114 | logo making time |
| 05:01.30 | MeBigFatGuy | do we know who the author is? |
| 05:01.35 | creeperz | kinda gives it weird view to start with |
| 05:02.31 | brlcad | who's we? :) |
| 05:03.18 | JeffM2501 | mebigfatguy, yeah brlcad has been in contact with him |
| 05:03.26 | brlcad | MeBigFatGuy: yea, I've been e-mailing him -- he's trying to figure out if he still owns any version of it |
| 05:04.05 | shorty114 | who? |
| 05:04.15 | brlcad | he's just covering his ass, of course.. i'm sure nobody cares except him at this point |
| 05:04.23 | brlcad | and JeffM2501 of course ;) |
| 05:04.41 | shorty114 | who? |
| 05:04.41 | JeffM2501 | actualy I don't care who owns it :) |
| 05:05.18 | MeBigFatGuy | of course |
| 05:05.30 | shorty114 | ^.o |
| 05:05.45 | JeffM2501 | if I can see it run, I can reverse eng it |
| 05:06.46 | shorty114 | the original Battle Zone? |
| 05:07.01 | shorty114 | BZFlag by Chris Schoemann or something like that IIRC? |
| 05:07.23 | JeffM2501 | who said anything about bzflag |
| 05:07.55 | JeffM2501 | creeperz asked about bz |
| 05:07.57 | JeffM2501 | not bzflag |
| 05:08.04 | JeffM2501 | bz was by a chris IIRC |
| 05:08.11 | shorty114 | Chris Schoemann |
| 05:08.14 | JeffM2501 | NO |
| 05:08.18 | JeffM2501 | a difrent crhis |
| 05:08.21 | JeffM2501 | NOT bzflag |
| 05:08.29 | JeffM2501 | BZ != BZFlag |
| 05:08.31 | shorty114 | oh |
| 05:08.35 | shorty114 | Battle Zone? |
| 05:08.38 | JeffM2501 | NO |
| 05:08.39 | JeffM2501 | BZ |
| 05:08.47 | JeffM2501 | battle zone is an atari arcade game |
| 05:08.52 | shorty114 | oh |
| 05:08.56 | shorty114 | what's BZ then? |
| 05:09.02 | JeffM2501 | made before you were born |
| 05:09.09 | MeBigFatGuy | hmm, me pokes around on his disk |
| 05:09.13 | JeffM2501 | a 3d networked tank game that started on the SGI |
| 05:09.18 | wegstar | oh |
| 05:09.19 | shorty114 | most things were |
| 05:09.21 | PrezKennedy | what year did it pop out? |
| 05:09.33 | JeffM2501 | 94-95 best we can tell |
| 05:09.40 | shorty114 | i was born in 92 |
| 05:09.48 | JeffM2501 | battle zone is from 85 |
| 05:09.50 | MeBigFatGuy | holy crap i'm old |
| 05:09.56 | JeffM2501 | so it was made before you were boorn |
| 05:09.57 | shorty114 | holy crap i'm young |
| 05:10.00 | PrezKennedy | hahaha i was playing flight sims and 3d games before you were born |
| 05:10.06 | JeffM2501 | hell, I was out of high school when you were boorn |
| 05:10.08 | shorty114 | most people did :) |
| 05:10.09 | JeffM2501 | I could be your dad |
| 05:10.15 | wegstar | heh... |
| 05:10.30 | bryjen | there's a scary thought |
| 05:10.31 | bryjen | ;) |
| 05:10.34 | PrezKennedy | my gameboy is older than you |
| 05:10.42 | wegstar | haha... |
| 05:10.53 | shorty114 | yeah very scary |
| 05:11.31 | MeBigFatGuy | 1980 6502 |
| 05:11.35 | MeBigFatGuy | (game) |
| 05:11.44 | bryjen | huh? |
| 05:11.57 | MeBigFatGuy | ran on a 6502, created in 1980 |
| 05:12.06 | brlcad | DTRemenak: ping |
| 05:12.22 | MeBigFatGuy | 1.5Mhz |
| 05:12.29 | bryjen | smokin' |
| 05:12.39 | MeBigFatGuy | Pokey sound chip |
| 05:14.07 | JeffM2501 | they did make a 2600 version of battlezone |
| 05:14.10 | JeffM2501 | it was HORIBLE |
| 05:14.34 | bryjen | brlcad: so whodunit? |
| 05:15.02 | *** join/#bzflag LouMan (~42e39a3f@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 05:15.33 | brlcad | there's an inordinate number of calls to gldUpdateDispatch() |
| 05:16.09 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/common/AccessList.cxx: fix deny_regex |
| 05:17.03 | brlcad | first BZ function of significance seems to point to the new TextureFont::drawString() |
| 05:17.08 | brlcad | i.e. the new font system |
| 05:17.11 | PrezKennedy | how can you screw up battlezone |
| 05:17.30 | JeffM2501 | make it a sprite game |
| 05:17.32 | brlcad | and sure enough, disabling the fonts via 's' and turning off the console skyrockets performance back |
| 05:17.36 | creeperz | by adding flags? |
| 05:17.44 | JeffM2501 | go get the emu |
| 05:17.52 | PrezKennedy | im afraid to |
| 05:18.00 | trepan | brlcad: useBitmapFontRenderer ? |
| 05:18.03 | brlcad | I'm wondering if there's a flush and state reset occuring after every letter is drawn |
| 05:18.04 | shorty114 | lmao creeperz |
| 05:18.04 | PrezKennedy | my uhh... collection only goes back to NES days |
| 05:18.28 | JeffM2501 | use the internet :) |
| 05:19.48 | brlcad | trepan: that would make the problem go away, of course, but the difference in performance seems to hint at something being really wrong in the impl |
| 05:19.57 | brlcad | s/wrong/inefficient/ |
| 05:20.22 | PrezKennedy | yeah... looking at these pictures i can see how they did it |
| 05:20.33 | creeperz | with triangles? |
| 05:20.54 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 05:20.59 | JeffM2501 | not even 3d |
| 05:21.00 | JeffM2501 | 2d |
| 05:21.04 | JeffM2501 | play it |
| 05:21.07 | creeperz | i have |
| 05:21.14 | creeperz | i was kidding :-) |
| 05:21.25 | JeffM2501 | on the 2800? |
| 05:21.30 | trepan | brlcad: na, iwas actually wondering if it did make the problem go away |
| 05:21.31 | creeperz | oh |
| 05:21.32 | JeffM2501 | this is NOT the black and white one |
| 05:21.33 | creeperz | maybe not |
| 05:21.37 | creeperz | i played a java version |
| 05:21.49 | creeperz | oh some Battle Zone game |
| 05:22.01 | creeperz | are you talking about porting bzflag to console? |
| 05:22.03 | JeffM2501 | that is a port of the arcade |
| 05:22.05 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 05:22.12 | PrezKennedy | http://www.atariage.com/screenshot_page.html?SoftwareLabelID=22 |
| 05:22.16 | PrezKennedy | is it that? |
| 05:22.17 | JeffM2501 | I don't work on bzflag anymore realy |
| 05:22.22 | creeperz | ah |
| 05:22.29 | creeperz | nope |
| 05:22.32 | creeperz | never played it |
| 05:22.40 | JeffM2501 | thats the nasty |
| 05:22.53 | shorty114 | wow that's fugly |
| 05:22.55 | PrezKennedy | i cant tell what the bad guys are |
| 05:22.59 | creeperz | is it as entertaining ad StarCraft? |
| 05:23.01 | creeperz | or puzzles? |
| 05:23.14 | shorty114 | StarCraft r0x0rz |
| 05:23.52 | *** part/#bzflag LouMan (~42e39a3f@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 05:24.55 | creeperz | how are video games compiled for systems? |
| 05:25.02 | creeperz | consoles* |
| 05:25.09 | JeffM2501 | with a compiler |
| 05:25.13 | shorty114 | naaawwwww.... |
| 05:25.23 | creeperz | i mean the language |
| 05:25.26 | JeffM2501 | stupid in = supid out |
| 05:25.37 | shorty114 | GameCube++? ;) |
| 05:25.38 | JeffM2501 | what ever language there are compilers for |
| 05:25.44 | creeperz | ahhh |
| 05:25.50 | JeffM2501 | it all goes down to machine code |
| 05:25.58 | creeperz | oh, and stupid out = smartness retained |
| 05:25.59 | creeperz | :-0 |
| 05:26.01 | creeperz | :-) |
| 05:26.06 | sgk284 | anyone able to test my server, specifically the spawn permission |
| 05:26.07 | creeperz | true |
| 05:26.07 | JeffM2501 | so compilers can take any languyage |
| 05:26.15 | sgk284 | krenzel.info, 5154 if your interested |
| 05:26.29 | creeperz | ahhh |
| 05:26.33 | sgk284 | you have to be registered on bzbb too |
| 05:26.48 | trepan | sgk284: got kicked immdiately for not having the spawn permission |
| 05:26.54 | sgk284 | okay good |
| 05:26.59 | trepan | ... as an observer even ;) |
| 05:27.06 | sgk284 | trepan, you belong to any groups on bzbb? |
| 05:27.07 | creeperz | better yet, PHP! |
| 05:27.10 | JeffM2501 | creeperz as long as therer is a vm for it and API bindings, you can |
| 05:27.12 | trepan | sgk284: DEVS |
| 05:27.15 | JeffM2501 | php is not a programing language |
| 05:27.21 | creeperz | i know :-) |
| 05:27.24 | creeperz | perl, then |
| 05:27.33 | JeffM2501 | but you can install linux on the xbox |
| 05:27.37 | JeffM2501 | and then apache |
| 05:27.40 | JeffM2501 | then run php |
| 05:27.43 | creeperz | heard about it |
| 05:27.46 | creeperz | thats awesome :-) |
| 05:28.02 | MeBigFatGuy | why, i don't know ;/ |
| 05:28.04 | JeffM2501 | oh and change your part message, or you will be baned from here. |
| 05:28.04 | shorty114 | rofl |
| 05:28.13 | shorty114 | who? |
| 05:28.18 | JeffM2501 | creeperz |
| 05:28.25 | JeffM2501 | a * does not "fix" it |
| 05:28.26 | shorty114 | what's his part message? |
| 05:28.38 | bryjen | sgk284: joining != spawning |
| 05:28.44 | JeffM2501 | you need not worry about it |
| 05:28.47 | shorty114 | k |
| 05:28.52 | creeperz | JeffM2501: dont follow yu |
| 05:29.04 | sgk284 | bryjen, so observers are allowed? |
| 05:29.41 | JeffM2501 | is your part message sill what it was? |
| 05:29.47 | creeperz | no |
| 05:29.55 | JeffM2501 | it was last time |
| 05:30.03 | creeperz | it says messed |
| 05:30.10 | JeffM2501 | oik |
| 05:30.18 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 05:30.18 | creeperz | last time, it was messed |
| 05:30.32 | creeperz | and the 2 times ive quit |
| 05:30.39 | JeffM2501 | not last time I saw :) |
| 05:30.58 | *** part/#bzflag creeperz (creeperz@host-40-145-230-24.midco.net) |
| 05:30.58 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (creeperz@host-40-145-230-24.midco.net) |
| 05:31.43 | JeffM2501 | wonder what' it's like to be a drama queen |
| 05:32.01 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-40-145-230-24.midco.net) |
| 05:32.11 | lan56 | just ask yourself :) jk |
| 05:32.17 | creeperz | man, thats a long reconnect :-/ |
| 05:33.08 | sgk284 | whats the list url? |
| 05:33.15 | bryjen | try http://my.BZFlag.org:81/db/ |
| 05:33.22 | JeffM2501 | wow lan is just SO witty |
| 05:33.42 | JeffM2501 | suprised you didn't thow in some LA country political comentary in with it. |
| 05:34.12 | lan56 | it's just a joke, I said one joke, just let it go |
| 05:34.39 | MeBigFatGuy | poor lan56 |
| 05:40.00 | *** join/#bzflag bz9000 (~44a51603@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 05:45.46 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka_ (~Doug@adsl-210-144-211.sdf.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:50.11 | shorty114 | http://www.shorty114.net/filedump/logo.png |
| 05:50.18 | shorty114 | ^^ opinions? ^^ |
| 05:50.39 | JeffM2501 | that is NOT the oficial font |
| 05:50.51 | shorty114 | what's the official font? |
| 05:50.55 | JeffM2501 | lithos |
| 05:51.08 | bz9000 | shorty114: I think it is neat. |
| 05:51.25 | shorty114 | nope |
| 05:51.27 | shorty114 | bz9000: thx |
| 05:52.15 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: any idea where i can get Lithos? |
| 05:52.24 | JeffM2501 | it's a bit washed out. I'd get the real font, and then put the icon next to the text |
| 05:52.35 | JeffM2501 | it's an adobie font |
| 05:52.42 | JeffM2501 | I think you can buy it from there site |
| 05:52.52 | shorty114 | oh |
| 05:53.11 | shorty114 | http://www.linotype.com/1181/lithos-family.html |
| 05:53.14 | shorty114 | that lithos??? |
| 05:53.29 | shorty114 | oh Lithos Bold |
| 05:53.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:54.09 | creeperz | it is purty |
| 05:54.24 | shorty114 | although it _is_ a cool font |
| 05:54.32 | JeffM2501 | then a logo with it you arn't making |
| 05:54.38 | JeffM2501 | unless you use the noggin |
| 05:54.40 | shorty114 | nope |
| 05:54.45 | shorty114 | and search for Lithos Free ;) |
| 05:54.56 | JeffM2501 | don't think there is one |
| 05:54.58 | creeperz | bittorrent is the key! |
| 05:55.02 | creeperz | do the dorrway of life |
| 05:55.05 | JeffM2501 | but you HAVE a number of images with it |
| 05:55.11 | JeffM2501 | just use them |
| 05:55.36 | shorty114 | $21 bucks on another |
| 05:55.42 | shorty114 | who did the original logo? |
| 05:55.47 | JeffM2501 | somone |
| 05:55.57 | shorty114 | TimRiker? |
| 05:56.04 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 05:56.12 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker did not make bzflag |
| 05:56.15 | shorty114 | Lithos Black or Lithos Bold is the path |
| 05:56.23 | shorty114 | hmm |
| 05:56.32 | shorty114 | what's the font in the 2.0 banner in-game? |
| 05:56.50 | JeffM2501 | probably arial black |
| 05:56.56 | JeffM2501 | I forgot what I used |
| 05:57.03 | shorty114 | hahaha |
| 05:57.19 | shorty114 | http://image1.myfonts.com/image1/textimage/ff/ff872d4c3fb1f4abe088304cf17cd564.png |
| 05:57.22 | JeffM2501 | got what? |
| 05:57.25 | shorty114 | there's gotta be a catch... |
| 05:57.49 | shorty114 | Bold or Black? |
| 05:57.51 | shorty114 | i'll go Bold |
| 05:57.58 | shorty114 | well, maybe bold... |
| 05:58.02 | shorty114 | *black |
| 05:58.03 | JeffM2501 | I think it's back |
| 05:58.15 | JeffM2501 | but dude, just use the existing images |
| 05:58.18 | JeffM2501 | they ARE our logo |
| 05:58.21 | JeffM2501 | as much as we have one |
| 05:58.26 | shorty114 | heh |
| 05:58.45 | shorty114 | the only existing image that I can find (haven't exactly looked) is the bzflag.org banner |
| 05:58.49 | creeperz | cool logos, at that |
| 05:58.50 | shorty114 | but that's chromey |
| 05:59.01 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 05:59.04 | JeffM2501 | then that IS our logo |
| 05:59.06 | creeperz | JeffM2501: arent there other banners that werent used somewhere |
| 05:59.12 | creeperz | on the bzflag.org site |
| 05:59.12 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 05:59.16 | JeffM2501 | not on the org |
| 05:59.17 | creeperz | where are those? |
| 05:59.19 | creeperz | oh |
| 05:59.23 | creeperz | where are they? |
| 05:59.25 | JeffM2501 | don't remember |
| 05:59.30 | creeperz | dang |
| 05:59.33 | JeffM2501 | one one of my dries |
| 05:59.36 | JeffM2501 | drives |
| 05:59.42 | creeperz | ohhhh |
| 05:59.42 | JeffM2501 | 14 or so of em |
| 05:59.43 | creeperz | sux0rz |
| 05:59.48 | creeperz | yeah |
| 05:59.51 | creeperz | there nice |
| 06:00.35 | shorty114 | rippy rippy offy offy time |
| 06:00.53 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 06:01.06 | creeperz | shorty114: you find the font? |
| 06:01.12 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpi (~frank@p508211B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:01.22 | JeffM2501 | you guys steal things on your own channel |
| 06:01.24 | creeperz | for free-izzle? |
| 06:07.36 | shorty114 | http://www.shorty114.net/filedump/logo.png |
| 06:08.28 | shorty114 | creeperz: nope, used the sample images |
| 06:08.43 | creeperz | lol |
| 06:09.04 | shorty114 | makes it look screwy though |
| 06:09.17 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: you know...we _could_ change the official logo ;) |
| 06:09.50 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 06:09.51 | shorty114 | along with a new bzflag.org |
| 06:09.54 | JeffM2501 | no we can't |
| 06:10.06 | shorty114 | ;) <-- wink, wink |
| 06:10.39 | shorty114 | it's so.....90's style :) |
| 06:10.48 | purple_cow | bah! |
| 06:11.10 | purple_cow | what would you do better? |
| 06:11.17 | shorty114 | CSS |
| 06:11.21 | bryjen | 6moo |
| 06:11.24 | JeffM2501 | only if he could gank the site from another |
| 06:11.30 | shorty114 | gank? |
| 06:11.35 | JeffM2501 | gank |
| 06:11.39 | shorty114 | gank = ? |
| 06:11.41 | sgk284 | think its like yank but for gnome |
| 06:11.45 | sgk284 | ~dict yank |
| 06:11.51 | shorty114 | lol |
| 06:11.51 | sgk284 | ~define yank |
| 06:11.56 | sgk284 | :/ |
| 06:11.58 | shorty114 | ~dict gank |
| 06:11.58 | sgk284 | i loose |
| 06:12.06 | sgk284 | ~dict ibot |
| 06:12.10 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:13.11 | MeBigFatGuy | css doesn't make the site better to look at |
| 06:13.19 | JeffM2501 | it must |
| 06:13.21 | JeffM2501 | by magic |
| 06:13.37 | JeffM2501 | cus sites with out css "look all 90's style" |
| 06:13.39 | MeBigFatGuy | i must have missed that class |
| 06:13.45 | MeBigFatGuy | .21century |
| 06:13.48 | MeBigFatGuy | {} |
| 06:16.06 | creeperz | shorty114: besides... its nostalgic :-) |
| 06:18.07 | JeffM2501 | mabe 2000's pages are defined by have 3 links to the main page on the mainpage itself |
| 06:19.22 | bryjen | at least he didn't say flash... |
| 06:19.56 | JeffM2501 | thankfully |
| 06:20.07 | JeffM2501 | don't think he's got the flash thing figured out yet tho :) |
| 06:20.13 | shorty114 | huh? |
| 06:20.17 | JeffM2501 | I've seen some good uses of flash, but a lot of BAD uses |
| 06:21.57 | sgk284 | lol |
| 06:22.04 | shorty114 | rofl |
| 06:22.10 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: list the good uses? |
| 06:22.29 | JeffM2501 | subtle animations |
| 06:22.37 | JeffM2501 | dynamic displays of data |
| 06:22.37 | shorty114 | hmm |
| 06:22.42 | sgk284 | subtle animations are for gifs |
| 06:22.44 | sgk284 | :) |
| 06:22.45 | JeffM2501 | places where animations fit |
| 06:22.48 | shorty114 | not always, sgk284 |
| 06:22.51 | sgk284 | yea interactive stuff i guess |
| 06:22.57 | JeffM2501 | there are many things you can't do with gif |
| 06:23.03 | shorty114 | gifs suck |
| 06:23.05 | JeffM2501 | and gif would make them large |
| 06:23.06 | shorty114 | go png! |
| 06:23.11 | sgk284 | but if svg ever takes off, svg + xmlhttprequest will work much nicer then flash |
| 06:23.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah SVG has a lot of potental |
| 06:23.43 | sgk284 | if only firefox would integrate it already :/ |
| 06:23.49 | sgk284 | :) |
| 06:24.04 | purple_cow | my firefox shows SVGs |
| 06:24.17 | shorty114 | i haven't come across any svgs... |
| 06:24.33 | shorty114 | purple_cow: probably Adobe Reader or SVG Reader/Viewever whichever one |
| 06:24.38 | shorty114 | s/viewever/viewer |
| 06:25.07 | shorty114 | winders? |
| 06:25.09 | shorty114 | are you kidding me? |
| 06:25.11 | sgk284 | purple_cow, i know there is a build of mozilla that natively handles svg, but never saw a firefox one |
| 06:25.27 | purple_cow | the svg support is in gecko, not the frontend |
| 06:25.44 | sgk284 | yea but it requires a special build, does it not? |
| 06:25.53 | purple_cow | mebbe |
| 06:26.00 | sgk284 | and i've only seen it built into mozilla on some dev's website |
| 06:26.14 | sgk284 | heh so your on *nix and view svg's with firefox? |
| 06:26.19 | sgk284 | please do tell |
| 06:26.22 | shorty114 | me? |
| 06:26.23 | shorty114 | no |
| 06:26.26 | sgk284 | no purple_cow |
| 06:26.28 | shorty114 | oh |
| 06:26.33 | purple_cow | yes |
| 06:26.55 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 06:27.23 | JeffM2501 | I recall my firefox doing SVG when I was looking at it as a EPS replacement |
| 06:27.27 | JeffM2501 | with no special build |
| 06:27.39 | sgk284 | hrm... me looks |
| 06:28.28 | sgk284 | adobe has a linux svg plugin heh |
| 06:28.48 | JeffM2501 | adobe makes many things |
| 06:30.30 | sgk284 | my firefox does not natively handle svg just fyi, but http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/ has a roadmap :) |
| 06:30.37 | JeffM2501 | viewer wise it was a viable format, at the time editing was the issue |
| 06:31.04 | sgk284 | inkscape is very very nice |
| 06:31.15 | sgk284 | :) |
| 06:33.46 | brlcad | purple_cow: any news on the submission yet? |
| 06:34.40 | CIA-1 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/data/fonts/ (ProFont_12.png ProFont_16.png ProFont_6.png ProFont_8.png): remove the surrounding grids |
| 06:35.56 | purple_cow | brlcad: march |
| 06:36.38 | brlcad | damn that's a long time |
| 06:41.01 | purple_cow | a month or so |
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| 06:43.20 | Legoguy | muahaah |
| 06:43.36 | Legoguy | caverns + overlord is now on a ub3r fast server |
| 06:43.50 | Legoguy | i talked my webhost into allowing me to run bzfs on it |
| 06:47.22 | Legoguy | $5/mo for a bzflag server with 30ms ping is pretty darn good methinks |
| 06:54.31 | Pizbit | heh |
| 06:55.02 | Pizbit | How's the map going? |
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| 08:35.21 | trepan_away | anyone with a windows 2.0.0 client willing to run a quick test? |
| 08:35.30 | wegstar | yes |
| 08:35.51 | wegstar | trepan: yes |
| 08:45.27 | trepan | wegstar: thanks |
| 08:46.33 | wegstar | no prob |
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| 08:52.29 | jomojo | hmmm found a possible cheat already on 2.0 |
| 08:52.40 | jomojo | i don't know though |
| 08:52.55 | jomojo | well i do know travelling faster than any other tank on the field |
| 08:53.07 | jpa_ | it is just handicap |
| 08:53.14 | jomojo | really |
| 08:53.16 | jpa_ | worse players are made faster |
| 08:53.27 | wegstar__ | what???? |
| 08:53.30 | jomojo | oops must go unban |
| 08:53.33 | jomojo | lol |
| 08:53.39 | jpa_ | if server admin have set -handicap |
| 08:53.44 | jomojo | luckily i waited until he left |
| 08:53.54 | wegstar__ | so if I had -60 then I would go faster than someone with -20?? |
| 08:54.02 | jpa_ | yes |
| 08:54.06 | wegstar__ | cool :) |
| 08:54.10 | PrezKennedy | id go for -100 just to see how fast i could go |
| 08:54.25 | jpa_ | and if you have 160 you are slower than 0point player |
| 08:54.39 | PrezKennedy | will it ever make you completely stop? |
| 08:54.46 | wegstar__ | ah... |
| 08:54.58 | jpa_ | PrezKennedy: do not think so :P |
| 08:55.03 | jomojo | this guy was negative 200 lighting fast |
| 08:55.09 | jpa_ | there are /set variables for it |
| 08:55.29 | jpa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.35 | jpa_ | that is default |
| 08:55.43 | jomojo | don't know i like a handicap |
| 08:55.56 | jpa_ | jomojo: it can be disabled |
| 08:55.59 | brlcad | it maxes out after -20 or -50, forget which |
| 08:56.01 | jomojo | crap does that work for ducati servers as well? |
| 08:56.12 | jpa_ | jomojo: it is enabled only if you have -handicap in conf file |
| 08:56.23 | jomojo | hmmm i have to check something |
| 08:56.37 | jomojo | that really won't work for ducati servers that are used for matches |
| 08:56.49 | jpa_ | or hmm.. |
| 08:57.28 | jpa_ | yup |
| 08:57.37 | jpa_ | only if you have -handicap |
| 08:57.44 | jpa_ | but it can be in the mapfile also |
| 08:58.37 | crko | if i want to have text in the sky so it's visible in the radar should i convert it to mesh in blender right? |
| 08:58.43 | crko | and then extrude? |
| 08:58.54 | jomojo | brlcad or jpa question will pause option be allowed for countdowns during matches? |
| 08:59.10 | jpa_ | jomojo: yes, i think so |
| 08:59.29 | jpa_ | (if i undestood correctly) |
| 08:59.51 | jpa_ | crko: yup, and export and use modeltool |
| 08:59.51 | jomojo | you can pause the timer during a match |
| 09:00.23 | crko | but then it doesn't show on the radar (it's not too high i checked and i have the radar set right) |
| 09:00.26 | jomojo | also i still noticed the timer bug still exists but it now starts at 16 hours but switches over |
| 09:01.07 | jpa_ | crko: try radar set to normal? |
| 09:01.14 | crko | hm ok |
| 09:01.23 | wegstar__ | "couldn't find PhysicsDriver: death" physics- name death all specified, yet... |
| 09:01.27 | jomojo | okay i see 4 hanidcap under set |
| 09:01.40 | jpa_ | jomojo: 16 hours? |
| 09:02.00 | jomojo | yeah it starts at 16 hours then switches over to normal countdown after a moment |
| 09:02.08 | jomojo | want me to show you?? |
| 09:02.36 | jpa_ | if it is related to possible bug we found earlier.. it should be like 18hours 11minutes |
| 09:02.45 | jomojo | well something like that |
| 09:02.57 | jomojo | one sec |
| 09:03.14 | jomojo | 15 hours and 8 minutes now |
| 09:03.31 | jpa_ | nah.. no time to debug now |
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| 09:03.46 | jomojo | after 30 seconds it goes to normal |
| 09:04.01 | jomojo | okay in the set file to turn off all handicaps what is to be done? |
| 09:04.01 | jpa_ | maybe a unitialized variable at the client |
| 09:04.23 | jpa_ | jomojo: check mapfile and conf file and remove all -handicap settings |
| 09:04.38 | jpa_ | in unix like grep handicap * to find them |
| 09:04.40 | jomojo | okay |
| 09:04.52 | jomojo | not my server i was just allowed to run it as owner |
| 09:05.10 | jomojo | but don't have the conf file in front of me |
| 09:05.25 | crko | nope not working |
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| 09:08.32 | jomojo | jpa_: or brlcad: do either of you know if global login will soon be available for private servers? |
| 09:08.44 | jpa_ | jomojo: patches welcome |
| 09:08.51 | jomojo | wrong guy |
| 09:09.04 | jomojo | maybe i can get silverfox to work on that |
| 09:09.11 | jpa_ | you want it, you do it :P |
| 09:09.46 | jomojo | i am afraid i lack even the basic knowledge or mindset to even begin to understand that, much less fix it... |
| 09:10.14 | jomojo | give me sets of commands i will do that |
| 09:10.24 | jomojo | but you got to hold my hand and talk to me like i am 5 |
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| 09:37.09 | cristi | hello |
| 09:39.26 | Pimpi | wb cristi |
| 09:43.22 | wegstar | unknow object parameter "matref" - skipping why????? |
| 09:44.14 | Pimpi | wegstar: applied to which object? |
| 09:44.35 | wegstar | mesh called ocean..err |
| 09:45.36 | Pimpi | can you show it as a whole somewhere? |
| 09:45.41 | wegstar | 2. "couldn't find PhysicsDriver: a" when I did everything correctly |
| 09:45.45 | wegstar | on the forums |
| 09:45.54 | wegstar | .. |
| 09:46.08 | Pimpi | ? |
| 09:46.13 | wegstar | nevermind |
| 09:46.53 | Pimpi | can u upload it to somewhere? |
| 09:47.06 | wegstar | is this wrong?: |
| 09:47.07 | wegstar | physics |
| 09:47.09 | wegstar | name a |
| 09:47.11 | wegstar | death Don't fall in the water! |
| 09:47.12 | wegstar | end |
| 09:47.33 | Pimpi | no |
| 09:47.49 | wegstar | and this?: |
| 09:47.51 | wegstar | meshpyr |
| 09:47.52 | wegstar | name Pyramid |
| 09:47.54 | wegstar | phydrv a |
| 09:47.55 | wegstar | position 0 0 0 |
| 09:47.57 | wegstar | rotation 0 |
| 09:47.58 | wegstar | size 50 50 450 |
| 09:48.00 | wegstar | end |
| 09:48.37 | Pimpi | no |
| 09:48.49 | wegstar | hmm... |
| 09:49.04 | wegstar | do they go at specific orders? |
| 09:49.13 | Pimpi | is the phydrv available where you call it? |
| 09:49.22 | wegstar | like physics before the meshpyr? |
| 09:49.26 | wegstar | yes |
| 09:50.05 | wegstar | h it works now |
| 09:50.20 | wegstar | physics go before meshpyr |
| 09:50.27 | Pimpi | physics not within define ... enddef |
| 09:50.31 | Pimpi | fine |
| 09:50.33 | wegstar | thanks anyway |
| 09:52.32 | Pimpi | hm, cvs up doesn't work |
| 09:54.16 | wegstar | wow..its so late |
| 10:26.19 | crko | ~log |
| 10:26.20 | ibot | hmm... log is as piece of wood |
| 10:26.20 | crko | ~logs |
| 10:26.21 | ibot | logs is probably http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian, or stats for some channels at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz for apt, ibot, jbot and purl. |
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| 10:54.05 | DTRemenak | brlcad: pong |
| 10:54.21 | DTRemenak | as if I really expect you to be awake :) |
| 10:55.00 | Pimpi | he is sometimes that late.. |
| 10:55.52 | Pimpi | sometimes i'm surprised, when he's here and it must be almost morning for him again |
| 10:56.16 | Pimpi | real devs don't need to sleep ;) |
| 11:03.42 | ruskie | yup... |
| 11:03.44 | ruskie | so true |
| 11:06.28 | DTRemenak | hahah |
| 11:07.10 | DTRemenak | and with that, I think I'll go to bed :) |
| 11:08.13 | Birdie | whats the time for you |
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| 11:34.10 | crko | in the death msg |
| 11:34.17 | crko | the physics driver |
| 11:34.28 | crko | is there a way to say the player's name? |
| 11:35.06 | crko | like: %s is food for the fish |
| 11:35.07 | crko | ? |
| 11:41.50 | jpa_ | crko: nope |
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| 12:10.29 | Blue_Eyes | hey |
| 12:18.40 | jpa_ | hello |
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| 13:14.57 | Pimpi | hi _Manu_ |
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| 13:17.45 | _Manu_ | Hi! |
| 13:17.47 | nakis | hi |
| 13:18.12 | nakis | can i ask a simple question: what's the hunt key for? |
| 13:18.25 | _Manu_ | Pimpi: reading the MsgShotEnd code o_O |
| 13:18.29 | Pimpi | mark a player |
| 13:18.47 | Pimpi | you will c him blinking on radar |
| 13:18.56 | nakis | thenks a lot |
| 13:19.16 | Pimpi | _Manu_: yeah, me's reading user management... |
| 13:19.23 | Pimpi | just fixing a bug |
| 13:19.26 | _Manu_ | Pimpi: had to ban again to ae` host :( |
| 13:19.38 | Pimpi | hrm |
| 13:19.48 | Pimpi | really dunno whats wrog there |
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| 13:19.52 | _Manu_ | actually there is no check for that message.. heh.. easy for a cheater :( |
| 13:20.08 | _Manu_ | what bug? |
| 13:20.46 | Pimpi | default groups are initialisised after parsing the groups file |
| 13:21.03 | _Manu_ | mmm |
| 13:21.04 | Pimpi | so you can't reference them in groups file |
| 13:22.03 | Pimpi | referencing groups in groups file is still undocumented in manpage, gonna fix that too |
| 13:22.29 | _Manu_ | better :) |
| 13:22.58 | Pimpi | then i'll add support for setgroup for single groups |
| 13:23.04 | _Manu_ | because extra work for undocumented code |
| 13:23.18 | Pimpi | instead of all you are member of |
| 13:23.49 | Pimpi | did that yesterday with a 2 ine hack, but it messes up with the permissions system |
| 13:23.56 | Pimpi | *line |
| 13:24.09 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 13:24.15 | Pimpi | so i'll try to find another way |
| 13:24.31 | _Manu_ | was too easy only two lines.. :) |
| 13:24.45 | Pimpi | well, it works.. |
| 13:25.46 | Pimpi | adding a player to LOCAL.GRANT.LOCAL.COPS would have given permission to set LOCAL.COPS e.r |
| 13:26.08 | Pimpi | s/r$/g |
| 13:26.45 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 13:27.01 | _Manu_ | got grants over the groups he is in.. |
| 13:27.08 | Pimpi | yeah |
| 13:27.35 | _Manu_ | cool |
| 13:28.04 | Pimpi | but i have another idea how to make it within perms system |
| 13:28.33 | _Manu_ | better |
| 13:28.53 | _Manu_ | i'm working in my personal war against cheaters :( |
| 13:28.57 | _Manu_ | i'm sourprised how MsgShotEnd is implemented :( |
| 13:29.17 | _Manu_ | and the funny restuls |
| 13:29.25 | _Manu_ | annoyent :( |
| 13:29.34 | Pimpi | there are many parts within bz that would need a rewrite ;) |
| 13:29.56 | _Manu_ | i talked to you about this could happens.. since 1.10 |
| 13:30.32 | _Manu_ | now a bored player changed two lines in bzflag client.. and.. wow.. can break the game :( |
| 13:30.43 | Pimpi | yeah... |
| 13:31.09 | _Manu_ | and only one cheater at now.. but when he publice his code.. |
| 13:31.34 | Pimpi | even worse, because the server is capable of identifying a packets origin |
| 13:32.00 | Pimpi | yeah, that cheat is really annoying |
| 13:32.05 | _Manu_ | yes.. the problem is that this messsage is usefull too.. |
| 13:32.23 | Pimpi | and it's hard to find the cheater |
| 13:32.26 | _Manu_ | but if a player in a loop sending this message for every enemy bullet.. heh |
| 13:32.36 | _Manu_ | no :) |
| 13:33.03 | Pimpi | ae' could trigger it |
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| 13:33.20 | Pimpi | sometimes i could shoot, sometimes not |
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| 13:33.34 | Pimpi | so he turned it on and off |
| 13:33.48 | _Manu_ | well is is only using the message in a loop for enemy bulltes.. but elaborate code can make it for any player |
| 13:34.02 | _Manu_ | s/is/he |
| 13:34.31 | Pimpi | yeah, but it took me minutes to figure out it was him |
| 13:34.33 | _Manu_ | also i watched he was using turning fast.. |
| 13:34.40 | _Manu_ | easy to hunt in this way |
| 13:34.47 | Pimpi | though i was surprised at first |
| 13:34.59 | _Manu_ | heh.. i was too :) |
| 13:35.39 | _Manu_ | adapting my anti-fast-turning code.. to 2.0 can keep him far.. but he also can disable it |
| 13:36.22 | _Manu_ | and using only fly and MsgShotEnd |
| 13:36.25 | Pimpi | don't forget to make exceptions for agility |
| 13:36.41 | _Manu_ | well agility is fw and bw |
| 13:36.44 | Pimpi | btw, i love that flag :) |
| 13:36.54 | Pimpi | also fast turn iirc |
| 13:36.58 | _Manu_ | and there is no problem because the server checking the flag he has |
| 13:37.08 | Pimpi | at least it was at first |
| 13:37.21 | _Manu_ | in 1.10 only checking for angular velocity.. but can add more flag to it |
| 13:37.21 | Pimpi | i really love it |
| 13:37.33 | _Manu_ | yes.. |
| 13:37.50 | _Manu_ | with Tiny would be cool.. hehe |
| 13:38.00 | _Manu_ | Agility Tiny tank :) |
| 13:39.09 | Pimpi | agility tiny wings fast guided shot cloaced flag ;) |
| 13:39.27 | Pimpi | stealhened of course |
| 13:39.31 | _Manu_ | too difficult to control it.. heh |
| 13:40.28 | _Manu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.08 | Pimpi | yeah, rejoin too |
| 13:41.08 | Pimpi | sent it to learner yesterday |
| 13:41.12 | _Manu_ | yes.. i saw it in code.. thought i didn't delete it.. heh |
| 13:41.41 | _Manu_ | i also sent nkick and nban |
| 13:42.03 | _Manu_ | but the slot number would be rendered in client.. |
| 13:42.27 | _Manu_ | i used this morning for banning 1 minute 20 bots.. |
| 13:42.37 | _Manu_ | the server telling me all the names were banned |
| 13:42.52 | _Manu_ | i think no bots is not in bzfs 2.0 config :) |
| 13:43.43 | Pimpi | yeah, should be added |
| 13:43.54 | _Manu_ | yes.. reading fine.. and no added :) |
| 13:44.49 | _Manu_ | s/fine/file my fingers are freezed :) |
| 13:45.11 | Pimpi | that cold in spain? |
| 13:45.24 | _Manu_ | yes.. not too much.. but cold |
| 13:45.36 | _Manu_ | near 0 C here |
| 13:45.56 | Pimpi | much warmer here, but stormy weather |
| 13:46.21 | Pimpi | ~weather ETNJ |
| 13:46.29 | _Manu_ | along the day the temp growing |
| 13:46.34 | _Manu_ | up |
| 13:46.58 | _Manu_ | no station near my province :( |
| 13:47.24 | Pimpi | no airport, not even a small or military? |
| 13:47.49 | _Manu_ | not near.. |
| 13:47.56 | _Manu_ | ~weather LEBZ |
| 13:48.22 | _Manu_ | that's 200 km far of me |
| 13:48.29 | Pimpi | wow |
| 13:48.49 | _Manu_ | and lower alt |
| 13:49.14 | _Manu_ | I'm 550 m over the sea level |
| 13:52.48 | Pimpi | i'm at about 1 |
| 13:52.53 | Pimpi | ;) |
| 13:53.20 | Pimpi | less than a kiloneter to the sea |
| 13:54.23 | _Manu_ | heh :) i'm long than 300 km to sea.. nearest is portugal |
| 13:54.35 | _Manu_ | throw |
| 13:55.51 | _Manu_ | I found what is the cheater doing with shots.. :) |
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| 14:33.14 | Pimpi | _Manu_: cool |
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| 16:04.28 | Pimpi | wb Memnarch |
| 16:04.32 | Memnarch | ha! finally got Xchat to work |
| 16:04.41 | Pimpi | nice |
| 16:04.56 | Memnarch | had the wrong freenode server, lol |
| 16:05.10 | Pimpi | wrong? |
| 16:05.42 | Memnarch | yeah, had a bunch of options in the freenode thingy (thats technical language ;) anyway |
| 16:05.55 | Memnarch | it was seected on something like irc.eu.freenode.net |
| 16:06.10 | Memnarch | so I swithced it to irc.freenode.net |
| 16:06.40 | Pimpi | yeah, irc.eu.freenode.net sould have worked too, though |
| 16:07.06 | Memnarch | hmm.. well it wasn then I switched, and here I am |
| 16:07.27 | Memnarch | i hate the web browser ones |
| 16:07.41 | Memnarch | you gotta scroll down to see anynew text |
| 16:08.08 | Pimpi | yeah, they're no fun at all ;) |
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| 16:08.17 | Pimpi | buggy, instable... |
| 16:08.37 | Pimpi | hey, that was a short nap wegstar |
| 16:08.44 | wegstar | really? |
| 16:08.54 | Pimpi | 5 hours or somethig? |
| 16:08.59 | wegstar | I slept at 2AM here in california |
| 16:09.07 | wegstar | and now its 8AM |
| 16:09.21 | wegstar | 6 hours :) |
| 16:09.22 | Pimpi | 6 then |
| 16:09.41 | wegstar | gotta catch up on the v2 map stuff :) |
| 16:09.49 | Pimpi | not enough for me |
| 16:10.25 | Birdie | i hate getting up early..like 8 am:) |
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| 16:35.31 | a_monkey | i'm getting some really weird |
| 16:35.34 | a_monkey | whoops |
| 16:35.44 | a_monkey | i'm getting some really weird rendering problems |
| 16:36.49 | trepan | a_monkey: cool |
| 16:36.54 | a_monkey | everything is fine for a while, but then things start getting rendered on the screen really weirdly, like, all smeared together with previous renderings |
| 16:37.18 | trepan | you have a screenshot? |
| 16:37.22 | a_monkey | but that's only on high and experimental mode |
| 16:37.25 | a_monkey | i'll take one |
| 16:37.28 | a_monkey | just a sexc |
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| 16:37.30 | a_monkey | *sec |
| 16:38.28 | Pimpinella | brlcad: still thinking about the adding of setperms for single groups |
| 16:38.36 | Pimpinella | think i found a way |
| 16:39.21 | Pimpinella | to make it in goupdb it would require an addition to the file systax |
| 16:39.40 | Pimpinella | thought of one of 2 possibilities |
| 16:39.52 | brlcad | i'm not sure I follow what you wanting to do yet |
| 16:40.08 | a_monkey | where does bz but screenshots? |
| 16:40.15 | a_monkey | *put |
| 16:40.19 | trepan | it tells you in the console |
| 16:40.32 | Pimpinella | SETPERMS allows to set group for every group you r member of |
| 16:40.37 | a_monkey | heh. i guess i wasn't looking |
| 16:41.01 | trepan | on *nix, it's .bzf/screenshots |
| 16:41.35 | Pimpinella | i want to be able to make like setting grop only for specified groups |
| 16:42.14 | Pimpinella | brlcad: got it` |
| 16:42.16 | Pimpinella | ? |
| 16:42.39 | a_monkey | so, trepan, where should i put this screenie? |
| 16:43.05 | trepan | i dunno, post it on bzbb? |
| 16:43.13 | a_monkey | k |
| 16:44.37 | Pimpinella | a_monkey: here it's ~/.bzf/screenshots/ |
| 16:45.25 | Pimpinella | oh, already answered |
| 16:46.06 | Pimpinella | brlcad: to do so this should be defined in the groupdb file |
| 16:47.14 | Pimpinella | could be like GROUP1: SETPERM "GROUP2,GROUP3" |
| 16:47.21 | a_monkey | trepan: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=29322#29322 |
| 16:47.46 | Pimpinella | or like this GROUP1: SETPERM +GROUP2 +GROUP3 |
| 16:48.00 | Pimpinella | i'd prefer the latter |
| 16:48.05 | brlcad | Pimpinella: don't you just add setperm to group2 and group3 ? |
| 16:48.32 | brlcad | ahh, i think i'm getting it |
| 16:48.38 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 16:49.20 | brlcad | right now you'd add it to group1, and the only problem is that it lets you set any group's perm |
| 16:49.28 | Pimpinella | SETPERM without any specified groups could still act like it does now, so nothing would get broken |
| 16:50.03 | trepan | a_monkey: i dunno, could be a video card driver bug |
| 16:50.13 | Pimpinella | not any, but any group you're member of |
| 16:50.33 | brlcad | right |
| 16:51.26 | trepan | a_monkey: you might add another post after that one specifying your vid card, whether you've got depth buffer enabled, and the disply quality |
| 16:51.43 | Pimpinella | do you think this could find it's way to cvs? |
| 16:52.00 | trepan | a_monkey: also, your OS (windows?) |
| 16:52.41 | Pimpinella | i think it's useful, but i won't spend time on it if it's only for me, since the hack i sent u yesterday will do too |
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| 16:53.00 | cristi | hi |
| 16:53.39 | brlcad | so explain to me how the hack does that? :) |
| 16:54.16 | Pimpinella | the one from yesterday or the +GROUP one? |
| 16:55.12 | brlcad | one from yesterday |
| 16:56.35 | Pimpinella | adding a user to LOCAL.GRANT.GROUP allows him to /setgroup "someplayer" GROUP |
| 16:57.08 | Pimpinella | simple, but only 2 lines |
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| 16:58.31 | Pimpinella | it doesn't break anything, but it's out of permissions system, so it's another place for usermanagement |
| 16:58.36 | cristi | hmm |
| 16:59.21 | a_monkey | trepan: sorry, i was away for a minute. os? linux |
| 16:59.49 | a_monkey | and ewwwwwwwwww why would you think i would use windoze? |
| 17:00.02 | a_monkey | anything but windoze |
| 17:00.13 | Pimpinella | brlcad: you want me to send it again ? ;) |
| 17:01.02 | Pimpinella | anyway, i'd prefer having it in permissions system, like explained above |
| 17:01.28 | brlcad | i could see maybe adding local.group1.setgroup group2 group3 |
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| 17:02.19 | Pimpinella | hm, think we talk about different things... |
| 17:02.43 | brlcad | maybe i'm still not getting it too :) |
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| 17:14.11 | peeps | how do you start rain on a server |
| 17:15.14 | Pimpinella | brlcad: it just checks in canSet() if the player using /setgroup "someplayer" SOMEGROUP is member of LOCAL.GRANT.SOMEGROUP |
| 17:15.38 | Pimpinella | theyouth has no patience today ;) |
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| 17:21.29 | ToughShooter | peeps: When being an admin type "/set _rainType rain" |
| 17:22.41 | Pimpinella | brlcad: core of my question is though if you generally like the feature and more specific if you like one of the proposed ways |
| 17:23.02 | Pimpinella | so i will work on it or not |
| 17:24.55 | brlcad | the basic idea is that you have some users that may be members of many groups, but you only want them to be able to set permissions on a specific subset of those groups, yes? |
| 17:25.19 | Pimpinella | yes |
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| 17:33.59 | holiday | hi |
| 17:36.01 | shorty114 | hello |
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| 17:38.50 | wegstar | hey JPA |
| 17:38.56 | jpa_ | hello |
| 17:39.00 | holiday | hi |
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| 17:41.26 | ToughShooter | Hi jpa_ |
| 17:41.54 | jpa_ | hi ts |
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| 17:44.39 | cristi | hi ToughShooter |
| 17:44.46 | cristi | hi jpa_ |
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| 18:07.48 | shorty114 | hiya JeffM2501 |
| 18:07.54 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 18:09.06 | shorty114 | hmm time to update phpMyAdmin |
| 18:09.22 | JeffM2501 | thanks for telling us |
| 18:09.34 | wegstar | ? |
| 18:09.37 | Noodleman | yes, updates rock |
| 18:10.00 | jpa_ | argh |
| 18:10.01 | Noodleman | what incalculable joy |
| 18:10.01 | JeffM2501 | my day would not be complete with out knowing the status of shorty's web server |
| 18:10.33 | shorty114 | which one? |
| 18:10.33 | orchid | JeffM2501: put it in th MOTD |
| 18:10.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:10.47 | JeffM2501 | so the entire world can know |
| 18:11.38 | cristi | jpa_ gappy or happy ? |
| 18:11.52 | Noodleman | hiney kickage |
| 18:11.56 | Noodleman | new perl packages |
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| 18:11.58 | Noodleman | w00t |
| 18:12.11 | Noodleman | cristi: neither do we |
| 18:12.30 | jpa_ | g_a.p_p.y.t.e.x.t atleast :) |
| 18:12.37 | shorty114 | oopsy |
| 18:12.38 | jpa_ | ~dict gappy |
| 18:12.54 | wegstar | hehe |
| 18:12.55 | jpa_ | ~dict gap |
| 18:13.03 | cristi | ~karma cristi |
| 18:13.03 | ibot | cristi has karma of -3 |
| 18:13.17 | jpa_ | ~cristi-- |
| 18:13.22 | jpa_ | (for having so bad karma) |
| 18:13.23 | wegstar | ~karma shorty114 |
| 18:13.23 | ibot | shorty114 has karma of -477 |
| 18:13.29 | Noodleman | bwahahahaha |
| 18:13.33 | wegstar | holy... |
| 18:13.40 | Noodleman | ...short? |
| 18:13.41 | jpa_ | ~karma TimRiker |
| 18:13.41 | ibot | timriker has karma of -657 |
| 18:13.47 | wegstar | ah.. nvm |
| 18:14.17 | shorty114 | whoa |
| 18:14.24 | ehempel | ~bzfquery tempel-studios.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 18:14.31 | Noodleman | you're almost as evil as TimRiker |
| 18:14.38 | shorty114 | heh |
| 18:15.02 | shorty114 | w00t database transfer complete |
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| 18:16.23 | ToughShooter | jpa_: Seems like I have to be lucky that mine is neutral :) |
| 18:16.30 | Noodleman | ~noodleman |
| 18:16.31 | ibot | i guess noodleman is something |
| 18:16.36 | Noodleman | haha |
| 18:16.41 | Noodleman | ~karma noodleman |
| 18:16.41 | ibot | noodleman has karma of 7 |
| 18:16.45 | ehempel | ~bzfquery tempel-studios.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 18:16.53 | Noodleman | it must be my birthday |
| 18:16.54 | shorty114 | ~noodleman++ |
| 18:17.15 | Noodleman | actually, that will be in about a week and a half |
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| 18:19.03 | crko | ~karma crko |
| 18:19.03 | ibot | crko has neutral karma |
| 18:19.05 | crko | :> |
| 18:19.12 | crko | how is karma defined? |
| 18:19.15 | shorty114 | ~karma |
| 18:19.15 | ibot | shorty114 has karma of -477 |
| 18:19.21 | Noodleman | ~crko-- |
| 18:19.24 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 18:19.29 | shorty114 | ~crko-- |
| 18:19.35 | shorty114 | ~karma crko |
| 18:19.35 | ibot | crko has karma of -2 |
| 18:19.41 | crko | noo |
| 18:19.43 | shorty114 | eviler |
| 18:19.44 | crko | ~crko+++ |
| 18:19.45 | crko | :P |
| 18:19.49 | crko | ~karma crko |
| 18:19.49 | ibot | crko has karma of -2 |
| 18:19.56 | shorty114 | ~crko-- |
| 18:19.58 | crko | evil... |
| 18:20.07 | crko | ~karma crko |
| 18:20.07 | ibot | crko has karma of -3 |
| 18:20.13 | crko | w8 |
| 18:20.26 | shorty114 | ~crko-- |
| 18:20.38 | crko | ~crko++ |
| 18:20.46 | shorty114 | you can't karma-tize yourself |
| 18:20.50 | crko | argh |
| 18:20.50 | crko | ... |
| 18:21.04 | Noodleman | nobody cares about karma anyway |
| 18:21.10 | crko | yes.. |
| 18:21.24 | shorty114 | the idea to implement it into BZ is kinda dead |
| 18:21.27 | TimRiker | ~httpdtype www.scifi-source.com |
| 18:21.33 | shorty114 | there's a wiki page on it IIRC |
| 18:21.38 | shorty114 | whoa |
| 18:21.40 | shorty114 | sweet |
| 18:21.52 | jpa_ | TimRiker: can you really remember all those commands ibot can do? :) |
| 18:21.52 | Noodleman | l33t |
| 18:22.07 | Noodleman | jpa_: i think he probably implemented half of them |
| 18:22.19 | jpa_ | Noodleman: yes, but even then |
| 18:22.20 | TimRiker | jpa_: most, but not all. ;-) |
| 18:22.31 | jpa_ | ibot, how many commands do you know? |
| 18:22.47 | jpa_ | (obviously not that one :) |
| 18:22.55 | shorty114 | ~httpdtype www.google.com |
| 18:23.03 | shorty114 | what's GWS? |
| 18:23.04 | Noodleman | ibot: how many commands do you know is <reply> what is it to you? |
| 18:23.06 | ibot | Noodleman: okay |
| 18:23.08 | shorty114 | Google Web System? |
| 18:23.18 | jpa_ | ibot how many commands do you know? |
| 18:23.19 | ibot | what is it to you? |
| 18:23.33 | crko | ibot how many commands do you know |
| 18:23.34 | ibot | what is it to you? |
| 18:23.34 | shorty114 | TimRiker: how does httpdtype work? |
| 18:24.02 | Noodleman | shorty114: it extracts the server signature from the http headers |
| 18:24.08 | shorty114 | oh duh |
| 18:24.22 | shorty114 | headers_sent? |
| 18:24.23 | shorty114 | maybe |
| 18:24.26 | Noodleman | it's simple |
| 18:24.45 | Noodleman | just make a request, get the headers back, and parse them |
| 18:24.56 | Noodleman | you may not even need to parse |
| 18:25.02 | Noodleman | php probably does that for you |
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| 18:25.17 | shorty114 | excess flood? |
| 18:25.41 | TimRiker | ~httpdtype rikers.org |
| 18:26.02 | Noodleman | ~httpdtype noodleroni.com |
| 18:26.09 | TimRiker | hmm. yep it claimed flood. perhaps one line of text was too much for it. |
| 18:26.36 | jpa_ | ibot karma is useless |
| 18:26.36 | ibot | is useless has neutral karma |
| 18:26.44 | Noodleman | bwahahaha |
| 18:26.48 | jpa_ | doh :) |
| 18:27.14 | Noodleman | if you say it's useless, you probably have negative karma :-) |
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| 18:27.22 | Noodleman | ~karma jpa_ |
| 18:27.22 | ibot | jpa_ has karma of 7 |
| 18:27.27 | Noodleman | ah, that's not it |
| 18:27.34 | jpa_ | nope :) |
| 18:27.41 | jpa_ | ~karma jpa |
| 18:27.41 | ibot | jpa has karma of 2 |
| 18:27.44 | jpa_ | ~karma jpa- |
| 18:27.44 | ibot | jpa- has karma of -10 |
| 18:27.50 | jpa_ | adds up to -1 :) |
| 18:28.12 | Noodleman | you having a little too much fun there in #botpark? |
| 18:28.29 | jpa_ | ? |
| 18:28.37 | cristi | ~karma |
| 18:28.37 | ibot | cristi has karma of -4 |
| 18:28.40 | cristi | hmm |
| 18:28.46 | cristi | ~cristi++ |
| 18:29.08 | jpa_ | ~cristi-- |
| 18:29.13 | jpa_ | (for trying to karma yourself :) |
| 18:29.43 | shorty114 | ~cristi-- |
| 18:29.54 | crko | lol |
| 18:30.49 | |zongo| | heh |
| 18:31.44 | shorty114 | Noodleman: any ideas on doing the PHP? |
| 18:32.57 | wegstar | what PHP? |
| 18:33.17 | shorty114 | the PHP for ~httpdtype |
| 18:33.23 | shorty114 | TimRiker: ping |
| 18:34.08 | shorty114 | i have a feeling i'm reinventing the wheel |
| 18:35.30 | shorty114 | ~ibot |
| 18:35.31 | ibot | it has been said that ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. a bigot, or the man, or a girl, or ``a filthy scum bag'' |
| 18:36.02 | JeffM2501 | shorty what are you trying to do? |
| 18:36.11 | JeffM2501 | ibot is not php |
| 18:36.16 | JeffM2501 | they don't even go together |
| 18:36.54 | JeffM2501 | do you want one page that tells the type of another server? |
| 18:37.29 | shorty114 | JeffM2501: i was going to ask TimRiker if i could look at the Perl code, and possibly do a PHP one |
| 18:37.40 | JeffM2501 | a php ibot? |
| 18:37.44 | shorty114 | no |
| 18:37.49 | jpa_ | a php httpdtype |
| 18:38.01 | jpa_ | that script probably just parses server response headers |
| 18:38.11 | JeffM2501 | so you want a php page that can get the server type of another server. |
| 18:38.21 | JeffM2501 | yes that all it does |
| 18:38.29 | JeffM2501 | and the code for ibot is in the infobot project |
| 18:38.32 | JeffM2501 | just go get it |
| 18:38.37 | shorty114 | yeah that's what i'm doing |
| 18:38.44 | shorty114 | infobot == blootbot? |
| 18:38.49 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:38.50 | jpa_ | mew petteri $ wget -S rikers.org |
| 18:38.51 | JeffM2501 | ish |
| 18:38.55 | jpa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah just parse that out |
| 18:39.27 | JeffM2501 | there is probably even a php module for it |
| 18:39.29 | JeffM2501 | did you look? |
| 18:41.18 | cristi | hmm |
| 18:41.39 | cristi | !seen Thumper_ |
| 18:41.39 | guu | cristi: Thumper_ was last seen here 1 day, 14 hours, 57 minutes, and 41 seconds ago saying: * Thumper_ ducks |
| 18:46.17 | jpa_ | JeffM2501: njah..antialiasing would be nice :) |
| 18:46.37 | JeffM2501 | AA is an image thing |
| 18:46.39 | JeffM2501 | not a model thing |
| 18:46.48 | jpa_ | yup |
| 18:46.54 | jpa_ | but the model is ok |
| 18:47.15 | JeffM2501 | I think it's too mushy |
| 18:47.22 | jpa_ | you used the picture i pasted yesterday :) |
| 18:47.57 | jpa_ | (the background) |
| 18:48.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:48.03 | JeffM2501 | it fit the best |
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| 18:54.27 | wegstar | I've been seeing people "sign off" in bzflag, with the same message in IRC.. how is that done??? |
| 18:54.41 | wegstar | ex. |
| 18:55.08 | wegstar | SERVER: asdf has left ("dinner") |
| 18:58.55 | ToughShooter | type /quit "dinner" |
| 18:59.42 | wegstar | ah..thx |
| 19:00.21 | ToughShooter | without the quotes, I was a bit confused again |
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| 19:12.30 | JeffM2501 | this one is better I think |
| 19:12.31 | JeffM2501 | http://sasami.bakadigital.com/temp/lessmeh.png |
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| 19:48.30 | trepan_away | http://members.rogers.com/trepan/earth.jpg , now with crappy bracketing |
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| 19:54.57 | creeperz | t3h gl0b3s!!!! |
| 19:55.03 | creeperz | ohh |
| 19:55.07 | creeperz | nice framerate :-) |
| 19:55.37 | creeperz | is there dynamic lighting on added models? |
| 19:58.01 | trepan | dynamic ? |
| 20:02.28 | cods | the sun is moving.. It's probably dynamic lighting :) |
| 20:02.50 | trepan | depends on what you mean by dynamic |
| 20:02.55 | trepan | the tesselation is fixed |
| 20:03.35 | trepan | but now specular lighting is much more accurate (for the shine effect) |
| 20:06.26 | jpa_ | trepan: is the spin angle for bracket exactly 22.5? :) |
| 20:06.43 | trepan | 23.5 |
| 20:06.52 | jpa_ | ok, so i remember wrong :) |
| 20:07.13 | jpa_ | they look quite smooth |
| 20:07.18 | trepan | it moves around a bit |
| 20:07.19 | jpa_ | how much divisions? |
| 20:07.30 | trepan | ya, i didn't make them properly oblong either |
| 20:07.57 | trepan | sphere is at 16 divs |
| 20:08.08 | trepan | (which is pretty high) |
| 20:09.42 | trepan | http://members.rogers.com/trepan/earthmesh.jpg |
| 20:11.08 | jpa_ | oh, true, 16*16 faces? |
| 20:11.40 | trepan | nope, different equation |
| 20:11.55 | trepan | there's about 2500 faces in each globe (iirc) |
| 20:12.12 | Aribeth | trepan, are you using blender? |
| 20:12.32 | jpa_ | eww |
| 20:13.00 | trepan | Aribeth: na, those are just junky bz primitives |
| 20:13.08 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 20:13.46 | trepan | on the upside, the compressed map is 434 bytes :) |
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| 20:16.06 | bz0425 | hi |
| 20:16.30 | bz0425 | i've some problems with my keyboard |
| 20:17.17 | amathis | what would those problems be? |
| 20:17.28 | bz0425 | i can't use my keyboard |
| 20:17.33 | amathis | ever? |
| 20:17.34 | amathis | :) |
| 20:17.38 | amathis | how are you typing? |
| 20:17.39 | amathis | :P |
| 20:17.41 | amathis | j/k. |
| 20:17.46 | amathis | bz0425: in bzflag? |
| 20:17.49 | bz0425 | not in bzflag |
| 20:17.53 | jpa_ | trepan: now you should just make that mesh with faces with colors, to avoid having to download texture :P |
| 20:18.15 | jpa_ | bz0425: not even for chat? |
| 20:18.40 | jpa_ | or just not for moving? |
| 20:18.45 | bz0425 | in chat it works |
| 20:18.54 | jpa_ | oh, reset your keybindings |
| 20:19.00 | jpa_ | in input-menu |
| 20:19.04 | jpa_ | it will help |
| 20:19.09 | bz0425 | thanks |
| 20:19.13 | bz0425 | i try it |
| 20:19.26 | trepan | jpa_: why, downloadable textures are coming soon |
| 20:19.46 | trepan | it's the reason i spruced that model up a bit |
| 20:20.20 | jpa_ | trepan: ok :) |
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| 20:21.39 | trepan | bz0425: also, check your options-> input ->active input device setting |
| 20:21.48 | bz0425 | ibot: |
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| 20:26.51 | bz7252 | thanks for your help |
| 20:27.03 | bz7252 | now everything is going fine |
| 20:31.54 | DTRemenak | brlcad: pong |
| 20:36.23 | Pimpinella | trepan: hm, are there preparations in the protocol to make texture download happen? |
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| 20:40.25 | Chestal | Pimpinella: AFAIK there are no plans to do that |
| 20:41.51 | jpa_ | 22:19:26 < trepan> jpa_: why, downloadable textures are coming soon |
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| 20:48.38 | Chestal | whatever :-) |
| 20:49.28 | jpa_ | :) |
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| 20:56.11 | Death_Barrel | what is the address for a private match server in US for bz2.0 ? |
| 20:56.36 | Death_Barrel | what is the address for a private match server in US for bz2.0 ? |
| 20:56.39 | Death_Barrel | oops |
| 20:58.31 | brlcad | DTRemenak: unpong until later :) |
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| 20:58.39 | DTRemenak | brlcad, ok... :) |
| 20:58.53 | Death_Barrel | sorry did someone answer that ? |
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| 21:03.29 | trepan | Pimpinella: no protocol change required, my servers are already sending out extra data |
| 21:03.37 | trepan | and they work just fine with 2.0.0 clients |
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| 21:04.32 | Chestal | ~bzflist |
| 21:09.01 | sgk284 | trepan, it does require a special client though, right? |
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| 21:09.33 | Nidhoggr | sgk284: I fixed your login |
| 21:09.36 | Nidhoggr | :-P |
| 21:09.39 | trepan | sgk284: yup, to make the downloading work |
| 21:09.41 | sgk284 | Nidhoggr, thanks:) |
| 21:09.45 | Nidhoggr | np |
| 21:09.56 | Nidhoggr | gentoo doesn't do homedirs by default with useradd |
| 21:10.03 | sgk284 | wierd heh |
| 21:10.32 | trepan | i'll also be using the new AccessList class to setup local screening of download servers |
| 21:11.22 | trepan | (the real reason it was written, the current bzfs server blocking was an afterthought from JeffM) |
| 21:11.31 | sgk284 | heh nice |
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| 21:36.00 | brlcad | hmm.. I don't have requireIdentify in my groups list nor have I added -requireIdentify, yet I get kicked with the require identify message.. |
| 21:38.10 | brlcad | do i have to override EVERYONE?? |
| 21:38.31 | brlcad | that'd be "wrong".. |
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| 21:40.44 | brlcad | ahh .. LOCAL.ADMIN culprit |
| 21:43.53 | sgk284 | heh |
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| 21:50.25 | TimRiker | anyone work on a SPAWN permission yet? |
| 21:50.46 | DTRemenak | TimRiker, sgk284 was doing so iirc |
| 21:51.08 | TimRiker | sgk284: progress? |
| 21:55.13 | sgk284 | TimRiker, its done |
| 21:55.16 | sgk284 | not committed |
| 21:55.23 | sgk284 | testing it on one of nids servers |
| 21:55.38 | sgk284 | my server refused to do global auth for some reason :/ |
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| 21:55.57 | sgk284 | but while your on, one quick question... |
| 21:56.27 | macuser | hey there... anyone on here use a mac? |
| 21:56.29 | sgk284 | right now as it is, it doesnt even let observers join, brlcad brought to my attention that it more appropriately would allow observers just not people to spawn |
| 21:56.50 | sgk284 | so should the spawn perm really just not let anyone even enter the server, or just if they join a team? |
| 21:56.58 | sgk284 | right now its implemented on msgAlive |
| 21:57.52 | sgk284 | we could always throw in another perm like "connect" to not allow observers either... but it could get kind of confusing for some server admin |
| 21:58.41 | TimRiker | can't do permission on connect. cause they've not yet been verified, so they have no permissions. |
| 21:58.53 | sgk284 | right |
| 21:59.01 | TimRiker | does an observer do a msgAlive? |
| 21:59.02 | sgk284 | it could be implemented kind of like hostban though |
| 21:59.12 | sgk284 | TimRiker, i think they do and its just not used... |
| 22:00.05 | TimRiker | then check for that SPAWN permission should happen when they try to spawn. not in other places. ie: the observer should never get to that point in the code. |
| 22:00.51 | TimRiker | connect "permission" makes no sense. do not implement one. |
| 22:01.06 | sgk284 | okay |
| 22:02.28 | TimRiker | can people chat without SAY? |
| 22:02.30 | sgk284 | or actually i threw in the code right above where identify required is checked in playerAlive |
| 22:02.49 | sgk284 | i guess i'll move it somewhere more appropriate |
| 22:03.19 | TimRiker | iirc the playerAlive code just prints text. right? |
| 22:03.55 | sgk284 | no it checks requireidentify, bots, and i thinka few other little thigns and removes them |
| 22:04.01 | sgk284 | if its supposed to |
| 22:08.09 | TimRiker | ah. the requireidentify check is just name colision check on a local user, right? |
| 22:08.42 | TimRiker | it's not the -requireIdentify command line option handling. |
| 22:09.18 | sgk284 | according to the msg sent out it looks like it is... might be wrong |
| 22:09.27 | sgk284 | name collision is handled somewhere else i though |
| 22:09.29 | sgk284 | t |
| 22:09.48 | TimRiker | the place where the -requireIdentify check is happening is the one that should be replaced with the new SPAWN permission handling. |
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| 22:10.07 | sgk284 | okay |
| 22:10.23 | walkingmac | anyone heard of problems using 2.0 on mac? |
| 22:10.25 | sgk284 | is requireIdentify being phased out? or just being used in conjunction with SPAWN? |
| 22:10.33 | TimRiker | by name collision handling, I meant against an locally registered player. there are other checks against active player names. |
| 22:10.33 | sgk284 | walkingmac, what specifically? |
| 22:10.43 | TimRiker | ~tell walkingmac about ask |
| 22:11.01 | walkingmac | well... |
| 22:11.19 | TimRiker | sgk284: the -requireIdentify command line option should be removed in favor of the SPAWN permission. |
| 22:11.45 | TimRiker | sgk284: the REQUIREIDINTIFY permission for local registered players should stay. |
| 22:12.19 | walkingmac | I ran prvious version fine... now with the new 2.0, it loads, then goes black or just goes back to my desktop and the app basically hangs... I have heard this happening with other mac users |
| 22:12.40 | sgk284 | remove your old config |
| 22:12.47 | sgk284 | dunno where its stored on a mac |
| 22:13.16 | TimRiker | http://bzflag.org/wiki/ConfigFile |
| 22:13.27 | walkingmac | I think I tired that... removing anything about BZflag other then the app |
| 22:14.39 | sgk284 | TimRiker, is it just me or is having requireidentify for two separate purposes a bit ambiguous? |
| 22:14.45 | TimRiker | try again to be sure. also 2.0 does a couple of http requests at startup so if you need a http proxy or don't have working local dns it will appear to hang until those lookups fail. |
| 22:15.11 | TimRiker | sgk284: exactly. that's why one is becoming a SPAWN permission. |
| 22:15.21 | Pimpinella | brlcad: you won't be able to override EVERYONE until you applied the patch i sent u today ;) |
| 22:15.54 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: huh? I override EVERYONE and it seems to work here. what's the patch do? |
| 22:16.06 | walkingmac | actually, based on the link Tim provided, there was not even a '2.0' folder there. doeas that make sense? |
| 22:16.11 | Pimpinella | really? i'm surprised |
| 22:17.00 | Pimpinella | initGroups() reads the groups file first, then inits default groups |
| 22:17.11 | TimRiker | initGroups() checks to see if EVERYONE is defined locally first. |
| 22:17.12 | Pimpinella | i just changed the order |
| 22:17.34 | TimRiker | PlayerAccessMap::iterator itr = groupAccess.find("EVERYONE"); |
| 22:17.34 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.01 | TimRiker | there's no need to init EVERYONE if the group file defines it. |
| 22:18.13 | Pimpinella | i tried to reference local.admin to viper.admin |
| 22:18.31 | TimRiker | huh? explain? |
| 22:18.35 | Pimpinella | tis resulted in an error, because the server didnßt know local.admin yet |
| 22:19.04 | TimRiker | ahh... |
| 22:19.25 | TimRiker | you have no LOCAL.ADMIN but you still want to VIPER.ADMIN to refer to it. |
| 22:20.18 | Pimpinella | local admin is a default group which is init in initGroups() on startup |
| 22:20.29 | TimRiker | so with your fix if you _have_ a local group, the reference would still get the _default_ permissions for that group, _not_ the locally assigned permissions. yes? |
| 22:20.43 | Pimpinella | yes |
| 22:21.03 | TimRiker | sounds like your traded unexpected behaviour for buggy behavior. |
| 22:21.12 | TimRiker | s/your/you/ |
| 22:21.36 | Pimpinella | no |
| 22:21.40 | TimRiker | correct solution? define a LOCAL.ADMIN. don't patch the code. |
| 22:22.31 | Pimpinella | it's correct |
| 22:22.55 | TimRiker | I suppose it could be argued that local.admin should allways have all permissions. did you only change local.admin to be before reading the file? |
| 22:23.28 | TimRiker | ie: EVERYONE and VERIFIED are _not_ before reading the file? |
| 22:23.59 | Pimpinella | no they are not defined when the file will be read |
| 22:25.08 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: so you only moved local.admin init? |
| 22:25.33 | Pimpinella | no, i moved all, and i think thats correct |
| 22:27.18 | Pimpinella | hm, had in mind, tat th perms for a group were flushed before a new perms srting is parsed |
| 22:27.25 | TimRiker | no it's not. as I just explined. say I create a local group called apple and it referes to EVERYONE. I then create EVERYONE such that it does not have flagHistory. will APPLE have flaghistory or not? |
| 22:27.34 | Pimpinella | but i don' find it right now |
| 22:28.58 | Pimpinella | well, it is |
| 22:29.19 | TimRiker | you would assume looking at it that since EVERYONE does not have flagHistory that APPLE (which refers to EVERYONE) would not either. but you'd be wrong. because APPLE will refer to your already defined EVERYONE before the locally configured EVERYONE is read if I'm not mistaken. |
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| 22:30.04 | walkingmac | ok... update on running 2.0 on mac... Load app, fades to black, fades back to desktop, app hangs (confirmed), 5-10 seconds the app quits itself. Like I said prior, I have heard from talking to other mac users the same problem. I have ran 2.0 on my bro's iBook and it ran fine. Could this be a video card issue? |
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| 22:31.48 | Pimpinella | well, if i define EVERYONE with default value at first i _can_ reference it. i can't if it is not or i have to define it manually. if it's already defined and i _do_ define maually in groupdb: |
| 22:31.59 | Pimpinella | PlayerAccessInfo info; |
| 22:32.24 | Pimpinella | will create an empty object |
| 22:32.57 | Pimpinella | thats filled with what i define in parsePermissionString |
| 22:33.11 | Pimpinella | and added here: |
| 22:33.19 | Pimpinella | groupAccess[name] = info; |
| 22:34.06 | Pimpinella | so i have everyone defined when i parse groupdb _and_ can redefine it there |
| 22:34.27 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: when the group reference is read, the current perms on the references group are copied over. |
| 22:34.55 | Pimpinella | yeah, thats what i want, no? |
| 22:35.07 | TimRiker | so if you didn't yet redefine EVERYONE, then you get the default EVERYONE permissions, not the ones that your locally defined EVERYONE would have. |
| 22:35.52 | Pimpinella | yeah, so i _can_ redefine it, but i don't have to define it maually to be able to reference it |
| 22:36.07 | Pimpinella | true? |
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| 22:36.23 | TimRiker | and if you _do_ define it, it gets ignored when you think you are referencing it. |
| 22:37.08 | TimRiker | because you can't reference the one that's not yet defined. you really are referencing the default one which it _not_ what you thought you were doing. |
| 22:37.38 | TimRiker | see my example above. does APPLE have FLAGHISTORY or not? |
| 22:38.20 | TimRiker | if the local EVERYONE does _not_ have FLAGHISTORY, and APPLE is a reference to EVERYONE does APPLE have FLAGHISTORY? |
| 22:38.29 | Pimpinella | will think it over again, my wife want me to leave the computer ;) |
| 22:38.42 | walkingmac | lol |
| 22:39.07 | Pimpinella | though even then i think dfault groups should be there when groupdb is parsed |
| 22:39.09 | sgk284 | Nidhoggr, ping |
| 22:39.27 | TimRiker | please answer the APPLE question. |
| 22:41.02 | walkingmac | (thats not to me is it?) |
| 22:41.12 | TimRiker | walkingmac: no. it's for Pimpinella |
| 22:42.16 | sgk284 | TimRiker, if you want to test the spawn perm, tiphareth.net:30000 |
| 22:42.20 | walkingmac | what are these HTTP proxy requests and DNS? could these itmes be what is messing up 2.0? Could it be a hardware issue? |
| 22:42.25 | sgk284 | assuming your in the developers group |
| 22:42.36 | sgk284 | try entering without a pass and then with the pass |
| 22:42.44 | sgk284 | observer seems to be able to join fine as well |
| 22:43.00 | sgk284 | walkingmac, you behind a firewall? |
| 22:43.01 | TimRiker | walking if it's the http requests, then it'll appear to hand for a while. it'll still work, but you'll have to wait for the http requests to time out. |
| 22:43.46 | walkingmac | well.. I let it go and like i mentioned, says it hangs and quits on it's own within 10 sec |
| 22:45.09 | TimRiker | sgk284: seems to work. |
| 22:45.13 | sgk284 | k |
| 22:45.24 | TimRiker | you removed the -requireIdentify ? |
| 22:45.27 | sgk284 | this commit wont take care or requireIdentify though |
| 22:45.40 | sgk284 | no, i'm not sure what parts of the code are affected by that |
| 22:45.49 | TimRiker | ok. I'll take a look and patch up -requireIdentify. |
| 22:45.53 | sgk284 | k |
| 22:46.10 | TimRiker | walkingmac: then it sounds like a driver issue. |
| 22:46.26 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: you gone then? |
| 22:47.12 | walkingmac | TimRiker: any solutions? |
| 22:47.33 | walkingmac | sgk284: no... i don't think so |
| 22:47.49 | TimRiker | brlcad, Pimpinella: please do _not_ apply that patch. you may if you like, fix up group file reading to destroy and replace playerinfo for groups it finds on read, and move _only_ local.admin creation before group file reading. |
| 22:49.06 | walkingmac | maybe I sould try running it via X11 |
| 22:49.34 | TimRiker | right now PlayerAccessInfo::readGroupsFile() does _not_ free up any existing entries so the patch has a memory leak. |
| 22:50.33 | TimRiker | walkingmac: nope. have no mac here to test on. be sure you nuke any old config, try again. if that does not work try changing your display res or color depth, delete the config and run again. |
| 22:51.23 | walkingmac | Tim: thanx.. i will try that and a few other things... later |
| 22:51.27 | TimRiker | k |
| 22:51.43 | TimRiker | look! he walked. ;-) |
| 22:51.57 | TimRiker | sgk284: commiting? |
| 22:53.15 | sgk284 | timriker, yea |
| 22:53.29 | sgk284 | just doing a diff an sorting out other tidbits i had been working on |
| 22:53.39 | TimRiker | ahh. good idea. |
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| 22:53.51 | sgk284 | need it in cvs right now? |
| 22:54.55 | TimRiker | well, if you were headed there now, I'd look it over and fix up the -requireIdentify. I'd prefer you clean it up first and I'm headed out the door. I'll try to look it over tonight and do the command line option removal. |
| 22:55.24 | sgk284 | okay, take care |
| 22:56.33 | TimRiker | I've got my ipv6 network up and running. At some point I'm planning to add ipv6 support. |
| 22:57.04 | TimRiker | not today though. ;-) |
| 22:57.13 | sgk284 | nice |
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| 23:13.42 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03sgk284 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/Permissions.h: New SPAWN perm |
| 23:14.53 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03sgk284 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: new SPAWN perm |
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| 23:23.11 | me1 | hi |
| 23:27.29 | Pimpinella | `ls`: bach for a few minutes |
| 23:27.45 | Pimpinella | about your apple question |
| 23:31.57 | me1 | hi |
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