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| 00:07.28 | LordBrocktree | Victory! |
| 00:07.28 | LordBrocktree | yes |
| 00:07.28 | LordBrocktree | finaly |
| 00:07.34 | LordBrocktree | how are all ya |
| 00:07.50 | LordBrocktree | hello? |
| 00:08.09 | LordBrocktree | can anyone hear me? |
| 00:08.52 | Pizbit | Nope |
| 00:08.57 | Pizbit | I can read what you've typed though. |
| 00:08.58 | LordBrocktree | ok good |
| 00:09.17 | LordBrocktree | cause i've tried a long time to get a browser to work for this and now it finally will |
| 00:09.25 | LordBrocktree | how come internet explorer doesn't work? |
| 00:09.43 | LordBrocktree | it said that that was a browser that worked for it |
| 00:10.13 | LordBrocktree | question btw |
| 00:10.24 | LordBrocktree | how do people sign on with multiple accounts? |
| 00:10.37 | LordBrocktree | it gets very annoying |
| 00:10.47 | LordBrocktree | and i want to try to prevent it |
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| 06:22.44 | Pimpinella | orange, JBdiGriz: ping |
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| 07:48.35 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03timriker * 10bzflag/man/bzflag.6s: other views |
| 07:51.38 | ToughShooter | Who implemented the smoothing code for Linux-clients? I think I've found a bug regarding this. |
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| 09:27.31 | Pimpinella | TimRiker: still around? |
| 09:31.00 | Pimpinella | +/- ALL is fine even much easier than the other stuff |
| 09:32.12 | Pimpinella | made also a replacement for setperms, actually i think setperms should be removed as a permission entirely |
| 09:33.38 | Pimpinella | already now we check for canSet() instead of hasPerms() to ask for additional conditions other than just the perm |
| 09:35.35 | Pimpinella | so, since we can't add additional infrmation to the bitset other than 0 or 1, setperms shuld be handled not here |
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| 09:36.49 | Pimpinella | in addition i think a group should know who can set it, not which groups it is allowed to set |
| 09:37.29 | Pimpinella | what i have now is like this: |
| 09:37.56 | Pimpinella | GROUP1: @GROUP2,GROUP3 |
| 09:38.28 | Pimpinella | members of GROUP2 and 3 are allowed to set 1 |
| 09:40.53 | Pimpinella | this doesn't make use of the setPerms perm at all, and what we have now (SETPERM + group membership) is still working unchanged, it can stay for compatability and be removed with the next major release |
| 09:41.51 | Pimpinella | owners of SETALL are alowed to set any group anyway, so nothing must be done for local.admin |
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| 12:17.48 | cristi | hi |
| 12:18.26 | cristi | how can i export to .ase from 3ds max 7 ? |
| 12:35.07 | Pimpi | get an export filter for it? |
| 12:36.10 | Pimpi | ~google 3ds ase export |
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| 13:26.32 | cods | hi |
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| 14:25.41 | slothrop2 | hi all. I am a noob and I am looking for a list of all flags and properties but no luck |
| 14:26.02 | slothrop2 | Does such a list exist? |
| 14:27.58 | Thumper_ | slothrop2: flags are listed in the man page for bzflag |
| 14:28.39 | slothrop2 | Thumper, I looked many times and saw nothing. Could you give me a url |
| 14:28.52 | Thumper_ | are you on windows? |
| 14:28.57 | slothrop2 | yep |
| 14:29.31 | slothrop2 | love the game btw |
| 14:29.48 | Thumper_ | http://my.bzflag.org/cgi-bin/man/man2html?6+bzflag |
| 14:29.51 | slothrop2 | just started last night and I'm hooked |
| 14:30.05 | Thumper_ | I started years ago and I'm still hooked |
| 14:30.40 | Thumper_ | all part of evil Tim Riker's world domination plan |
| 14:31.02 | slothrop2 | I've been sick for the past week and this has sure helped the time pass |
| 14:31.58 | slothrop2 | Thanks for the url. I really tried to find it from the main page but didn't find any link to it. Maybe that is something to suggest |
| 14:32.14 | Thumper_ | I just went to google: bzflag man page. easy |
| 14:33.24 | slothrop2 | It is really frustrating not to know what is what. I googled about 50 times using "flag properties", "flag types", etc but nada |
| 14:33.48 | slothrop2 | Oh Yeah the main page is easy to find but the flag page is not easy |
| 14:34.40 | slothrop2 | I mean from the main page what do you click on to get flag info? |
| 14:35.04 | slothrop2 | Maybe I'm just missing something |
| 14:35.22 | Thumper_ | the flags are listed on that page |
| 14:35.29 | Thumper_ | near the bottom |
| 14:35.30 | slothrop2 | hmm brb |
| 14:35.33 | Thumper_ | look for 'Flag' |
| 14:36.04 | slothrop2 | this is the main page right?: http://www.bzflag.org/ |
| 14:36.12 | Thumper_ | no the url I gave you |
| 14:36.55 | slothrop2 | oh yeah I realize that I have it but what I just wanted to say was that for other noobs, it may be difficult to find that page |
| 14:37.31 | slothrop2 | It seems like important info that you want access to right away |
| 14:37.47 | Thumper_ | learn how to use google...then finding things is easy |
| 14:38.04 | slothrop2 | I am a google expert but this stumped me |
| 14:38.18 | slothrop2 | I accept all google challenges |
| 14:38.34 | slothrop2 | :-) |
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| 14:39.25 | slothrop2 | ok here is the challenge, what would you put into google to find the page you gave me? |
| 14:39.57 | slothrop2 | assumng that you didn't have knowledge of the page already |
| 14:41.01 | slothrop2 | If this eems to pedantic Thumper just say so |
| 14:41.16 | slothrop2 | eems=seems |
| 14:41.18 | Thumper_ | ok 'so' :) |
| 14:42.04 | slothrop2 | Ok, any other suggestions, cool places to play, how to spot cheats, etc? |
| 14:42.22 | Thumper_ | depends on what you want to do |
| 14:43.00 | Thumper_ | Try tuxee rabbit 3x3, olympic, and bzland servers (I admin all of those and run the last two) |
| 14:43.48 | menotume | and, try non-jumping servers like ducati or hepcat to learn how to dodge |
| 14:43.51 | slothrop2 | Well I have been playing on 68.85.3.150 and it is pretty fun but I get the feeling that some are too good |
| 14:45.45 | slothrop2 | Is there anywhere that is guarenteed fair? |
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| 14:46.03 | ruskie | free-for-all? |
| 14:46.30 | slothrop2 | I mean with no cheats |
| 14:47.21 | ruskie | free-for-all? |
| 14:47.28 | ruskie | each on on his own... |
| 14:47.30 | ruskie | no teams etc... |
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| 14:48.16 | slothrop2 | sure but I guess what I mean is an admin that is watching to make sure that people don't cheat |
| 14:48.44 | slothrop2 | Maybe that's not possible? |
| 14:49.51 | Chestal | some people are very strong |
| 14:50.01 | Chestal | it may seem suspicious, but most of the time, it's not |
| 14:50.06 | slothrop2 | yeah that must be it |
| 14:50.30 | Chestal | I run the ducati server, plain CTF, 2 shots, no jumping |
| 14:50.37 | slothrop2 | what is the flag that lays an impenetrable black hood over the player |
| 14:50.39 | Chestal | usually it's fair there |
| 14:51.08 | Chestal | the sphere is drawn when a player is paused or not responding, i.e. his network has stopped working |
| 14:51.38 | slothrop2 | ahhhh, but I was shot by such a player, is that possible? |
| 14:52.33 | Chestal | it shouldn't unless the netwrk problem was only temporary |
| 14:52.58 | slothrop2 | ok, How do you aim a guided missle at the sky? |
| 14:53.11 | slothrop2 | to kill winged players |
| 14:53.49 | Chestal | you should be able to get a lock at them as long as they're not too far up from you, not very familiar with GM + wings myself |
| 14:54.18 | bryjen | i don't think the locking take Z into account |
| 14:54.47 | slothrop2 | ah, i see. I have shot a couple of times like that but can never seem to aim the GM myself |
| 14:55.04 | slothrop2 | I mean I have been shot |
| 14:55.26 | bryjen | face the right direction and right-click |
| 14:56.50 | slothrop2 | ok. Are there any keyboard controls available that alter a flag? |
| 14:57.20 | jpa_ | humm.. jumping and wings use tab :) |
| 14:57.25 | jpa_ | i do not know any others |
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| 14:59.35 | slothrop2 | ok, I guess that answers most of my Qs. Thanks for the help. I am gonna go back and play. |
| 15:18.45 | orange | Pimpi: pong |
| 15:19.33 | Pimpi | orange: do you work on the scoreboard? |
| 15:19.52 | orange | yes, some |
| 15:20.13 | orange | I have a patch, but it still needs some things |
| 15:20.20 | Pimpi | then you should talk to _Manu_ , he's doing too and you're doin double work |
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| 15:20.46 | orange | I have talked to Manu about this... my work was client-side |
| 15:20.52 | orange | thanks for the heads-up |
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| 15:21.11 | Pimpi | he's also doing client side stuff |
| 15:21.34 | _Manu_ | i got the code ready.. and only enable slots when an admin is using it |
| 15:21.36 | Pimpi | oh, just heard he knows... |
| 15:21.40 | Pimpi | ;) |
| 15:21.42 | orange | hmmm, well, I definitely made it clear to him what I was doing |
| 15:21.50 | _Manu_ | not using vars.. |
| 15:22.24 | Pimpi | ok then, was just wondering when i read it this morning ;) |
| 15:22.46 | Nidhoggr | the new bzflag t-shirt site is online. |
| 15:23.20 | Nidhoggr | http://www.thinkinsane.com/bzflag.html |
| 15:23.30 | JBdiGriz | _Manu_, Pimpi: We can provide the patch if you feel they should be merged before being committed. |
| 15:24.01 | _Manu_ | JBdiGriz, what patch? |
| 15:24.35 | JBdiGriz | orange has a patch to HUDRenderer.cxx which adds to the scoreboard. |
| 15:24.44 | _Manu_ | i had it earlier ;) |
| 15:24.49 | _Manu_ | and in a better way.. |
| 15:25.05 | JBdiGriz | including the tk ratio notification? |
| 15:25.09 | _Manu_ | i wrote the /nkick and /nban commands for using slots |
| 15:25.19 | Pimpi | nid, is this u? |
| 15:25.28 | _Manu_ | well.. his tk ratio is not enought good because not using the real tk ratio used by the server |
| 15:25.34 | Nidhoggr | it's one of my admins |
| 15:25.40 | Nidhoggr | tim approved the shirt design. |
| 15:25.56 | _Manu_ | the correct is using the server used ratio.. i think.. |
| 15:26.12 | JBdiGriz | We don't want the tk ratio of the server if you're an admin looking to solve problems before the server does. |
| 15:26.14 | _Manu_ | and i also added nice justify for the scores.. |
| 15:27.06 | _Manu_ | well.. it's easy to know the server tkratio if you are kicked because team killing.. not a secret :) |
| 15:27.25 | orange | _Manu_: my tk highlight was preventive, intended to be a lower ratio than the server setting |
| 15:27.46 | _Manu_ | yes i know i saw your patch |
| 15:27.48 | orange | to try to notice a trend of problems and help the players learn, before they are kicked |
| 15:27.50 | JBdiGriz | It also allows the individual admin some control of the information. |
| 15:28.28 | _Manu_ | well.. better waiting for the kick and ban using slots |
| 15:28.45 | _Manu_ | i'm writing the code in the actual kick and ban commands |
| 15:28.51 | _Manu_ | for removing the /nkick and /nban |
| 15:29.13 | _Manu_ | then you can use: /kick #10 reason for kicking the player in slot 10 |
| 15:29.35 | _Manu_ | or /ban #10 1d reason.. for banning 1 day the player 10 |
| 15:29.54 | orange | is # symbol illegal in callsigns? |
| 15:29.57 | _Manu_ | his tk colourized ratio can be added to my code |
| 15:30.02 | _Manu_ | no |
| 15:30.08 | _Manu_ | err.. yes |
| 15:30.33 | JBdiGriz | I'm glad to see the nkick and nban going away, but I'd still like more control over preventative measures. Right now I have to hunt individuals who are acting suspicious. |
| 15:31.13 | Pimpi | JBdiGriz: like what? |
| 15:31.17 | _Manu_ | i'm also adding admin messages for every server action.. like kicking cheaters |
| 15:31.26 | orange | _Manu_: that would be great |
| 15:31.44 | _Manu_ | also if a cop ban or kick a player.. an admin message is sent |
| 15:32.03 | _Manu_ | then you can read: Player xxxx has been kicked by ccccccc, reason: the reason |
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| 15:32.43 | _Manu_ | and if a player is kicked because team killing is also to know because the message |
| 15:32.53 | _Manu_ | Player xxxx has been removed because team killin. |
| 15:33.00 | _Manu_ | in the admin messages |
| 15:33.52 | Pimpi | JBdiGriz: displaying near to kick tk ratio is nice, but what other preventative things are you thinking about? |
| 15:34.22 | Pimpi | they couls also be displayed in a slightly tainted color in radar |
| 15:34.42 | Pimpi | so you can have an eye on them |
| 15:34.47 | JBdiGriz | I would like to be able to have indications of people who are acting strangely around flags. This is rather difficult for the server to determine. |
| 15:35.17 | Pimpi | like a flag rating? |
| 15:35.21 | _Manu_ | well.. actually the server is logging it |
| 15:35.31 | _Manu_ | like trying to capture distant flags.. and so on |
| 15:35.45 | _Manu_ | for fastes shots |
| 15:35.49 | _Manu_ | fastest. |
| 15:35.53 | bz7216 | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 15:36.27 | JBdiGriz | Several things I notice when logged in as an observer, but not when playing. People who grab their own flag deliberately, but act as if it's a mistake. |
| 15:36.27 | _Manu_ | but most of the times are lag related |
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| 15:36.50 | JBdiGriz | People who avoid several flags, and then mysteriously pick up a GM, or G. |
| 15:36.54 | _Manu_ | well.. it can be added easy |
| 15:37.13 | JBdiGriz | It's hard for the server to notice that these things are done in a deliberate manner. |
| 15:37.17 | _Manu_ | JBdiGriz, Tupone added some code for it |
| 15:37.23 | Pimpi | giving flags a rating and displaying a players flagcount/sum(flag rating) |
| 15:37.47 | Pimpi | it's hard for the client too, no? |
| 15:38.05 | JBdiGriz | but not as hard for an admin who has been alerted. |
| 15:38.10 | _Manu_ | actually if there is no ID flag in map.. the client don't know what flags are in the map |
| 15:38.17 | _Manu_ | so.. Dj cheat is useless |
| 15:38.46 | _Manu_ | this was added in 1.10 |
| 15:38.50 | Pimpi | sure |
| 15:40.26 | _Manu_ | but i think before adding all those new things is better fixing the actual bugs :( |
| 15:42.46 | Pimpi | so, why do the team counts get messed up? |
| 15:44.28 | Pimpi | thought about it, even when we lose slots, we should never have more players than allowed in -mp or our team countsare messed up |
| 15:45.14 | _Manu_ | well i think because those used slots adding -1 to counters.. |
| 15:45.38 | Pimpi | they do? |
| 15:46.11 | _Manu_ | i think so.. thats why if you add -1 to a team count... is one less |
| 15:47.05 | Pimpi | they get theit team in addPlayer, but never get there |
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| 15:52.05 | bryjen | what's the URL for the MoTD? |
| 15:52.35 | bryjen | hrm. nevermind http://www.bzflag.org/ times out :( |
| 15:55.09 | wizart | JBdiGriz, if they are very good they can look where a GM flag was dropped or respawned after it disapeared elsewhere. |
| 15:55.59 | orange | true... I think you need a human in the loop to watch them if it starts to look odd. I think that's what JBdiGriz was saying. |
| 15:56.10 | wizart | he yes. |
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| 15:56.41 | *** part/#bzflag kierra (~45f06abf@rw08.de) |
| 15:56.56 | _Manu_ | heh.. the problem is that a good player keeps a good flag for long time ;) |
| 15:57.06 | _Manu_ | a newbie lost it quickly |
| 15:57.25 | wizart | that as well :) So carny has GM 95% of the time. |
| 15:57.25 | _Manu_ | that's why is like good players allways have good flags |
| 15:57.46 | _Manu_ | then.. just shoot him.. ;) |
| 15:58.01 | bryjen | anyone else unable to get to sourceforge web pages? and does it cause your client to hang fetching the MOTD? |
| 15:58.10 | _Manu_ | i can't.. timeout :( |
| 15:58.16 | wizart | he. When an average player has GM a lot then it's starting to look odd. |
| 15:58.20 | _Manu_ | but client not hangs |
| 15:58.52 | bryjen | ah. my bzflag did go after a long pause... |
| 16:01.10 | _Manu_ | mine not because i killed it heh |
| 16:01.14 | JBdiGriz | I'm having some issues with /. as well |
| 16:02.11 | _Manu_ | well.. bzflag.org is dead :-( |
| 16:09.12 | Nidhoggr | looks like a router problem on savvis.net |
| 16:09.42 | _Manu_ | Nidhoggr, adns problems fixed? |
| 16:09.48 | Nidhoggr | as far as I can tell. |
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| 16:19.08 | cristi | hello |
| 16:20.04 | blast007 | hi |
| 16:20.41 | cristi | how are you ? |
| 16:20.45 | cristi | are you from romania? |
| 16:21.07 | blast007 | I'm good |
| 16:21.18 | cristi | you are from Romania? |
| 16:21.21 | blast007 | i'm in the US |
| 16:21.37 | cristi | :( |
| 16:22.20 | cristi | !seen brlcad |
| 16:22.20 | guu` | cristi: brlcad was last seen here 19 hours, 50 minutes, and 22 seconds ago saying: <brlcad> ~weather kbwi |
| 16:22.43 | cristi | ~weather |
| 16:26.56 | DTRemenak | ~weather LRBS |
| 16:27.21 | cristi | who is lrbs ? |
| 16:27.55 | cristi | ~weather cristi |
| 16:27.56 | DTRemenak | LRBS is the NOAA meterological station code for bucharest/imh |
| 16:28.03 | cristi | i am in romania |
| 16:28.15 | DTRemenak | I know, that's why I asked it for romanian weather |
| 16:28.19 | DTRemenak | ~weather KBUR |
| 16:28.25 | cristi | but not in bucharest |
| 16:28.35 | DTRemenak | I don't know where in Romania you are |
| 16:28.36 | cristi | wow |
| 16:28.39 | DTRemenak | so I guessed :) |
| 16:28.50 | cristi | Targoviste |
| 16:29.06 | cristi | Dambovita |
| 16:29.09 | cristi | :. |
| 16:29.11 | cristi | :> |
| 16:29.17 | DTRemenak | ~weather 15375 |
| 16:29.27 | DTRemenak | hm, doesn't take numerical station codes |
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| 16:29.55 | cristi | :( |
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| 16:30.58 | cristi | hi cods |
| 16:31.01 | cristi | :> |
| 16:32.41 | DTRemenak | looks like Bucharest and Sibiu are the closest callsigned NOAA weather stations to you |
| 16:33.31 | DTRemenak | ~weather LRSB |
| 16:35.37 | cristi | ok |
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| 18:36.39 | ToughShooter | I found a bug regarding radar rendering on linux with smooting turned on. It always happens with geforce on linux. Should I report it as a bug? |
| 18:36.53 | jpa_ | what kind of a bug? |
| 18:37.06 | jpa_ | and generally, yes, you should |
| 18:37.09 | ToughShooter | Should I upload a screenshot to webspace? |
| 18:37.19 | jpa_ | might be good |
| 18:37.33 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter, sure. what kind of bug is it? |
| 18:38.41 | DTRemenak | haven't noticed anything strange here (yet)... nvidia 66.29, Geforce3, Slackware 10.0 w/ kernel 2.6.9 |
| 18:39.34 | ToughShooter | http://resfork.sourceforge.net/temp/ |
| 18:40.05 | jpa_ | umm |
| 18:40.10 | jpa_ | again that same? |
| 18:40.17 | jpa_ | i have seen that many times :S |
| 18:40.18 | ToughShooter | wait, still uploading |
| 18:40.26 | jpa_ | oh :) |
| 18:40.46 | JeffM2501 | seen that before |
| 18:41.07 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter, what server is that? |
| 18:41.07 | jpa_ | yes |
| 18:41.12 | ToughShooter | It happens only when smooting is turned on |
| 18:41.27 | ToughShooter | It is my test server for map, I could run it now |
| 18:41.41 | DTRemenak | do you see the same thing on other servers? |
| 18:42.00 | JeffM2501 | smothing is a GL feature |
| 18:42.07 | ToughShooter | I am not using linux. I was told this |
| 18:42.12 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 18:42.32 | JeffM2501 | what drivers do you have? |
| 18:42.36 | JeffM2501 | I run smothing on all the time |
| 18:42.46 | ToughShooter | It seems only to happen when spheres are used I think. Standard maps don't use them usually |
| 18:42.52 | JeffM2501 | I've seen the problem as a bzdb var issue for datar |
| 18:43.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah IIRC it's a bug in the radar code for some prims, it's not tied to a glSmothing |
| 18:43.20 | ToughShooter | Latest drivers, I was told |
| 18:43.30 | JeffM2501 | you don't know? |
| 18:43.39 | ToughShooter | Gentoo, kernel-2.6.9-gentoo-r9 |
| 18:43.47 | JeffM2501 | what nvidia drivers tho? |
| 18:44.00 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, he said "I am not using linux. I was told this." so I assume it's not his box |
| 18:44.08 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 18:44.15 | JeffM2501 | then have the user who got it report it :) |
| 18:44.21 | ToughShooter | He said it to me. Agent 99 also saw this... |
| 18:44.26 | JeffM2501 | second hand bug reports are allmost useless |
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| 18:44.49 | DTRemenak | it's much easier to ask questions and get people to try stuff when they're the ones who have the problem |
| 18:44.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:44.59 | felix_mmbg | hi all |
| 18:44.59 | DTRemenak | makes duplicating and testing way simpler |
| 18:45.14 | JeffM2501 | non dupeable bugs are usualy never fixed |
| 18:45.14 | ToughShooter | I see :( |
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| 18:45.48 | DTRemenak | one reason we ask, what server, what drivers, is so that we can see if we can duplicate and run through a debugger, or with trace outputs |
| 18:46.02 | DTRemenak | without knowing that sort of thing, we can't duplicate it, so we can't ever find out what the problem is |
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| 18:46.45 | ToughShooter | I should try to get him here... |
| 18:47.13 | felix_mmbg | i dont even start to ask anymore...there are to many things...totally unclear |
| 18:47.29 | JeffM2501 | ask what felix_mmbg? |
| 18:47.35 | felix_mmbg | sure? |
| 18:47.47 | felix_mmbg | how to get phydrv running? |
| 18:47.47 | Grumbler | anybody know why freenode does a CONNECT/POST back on port 80 when connecting to their irc? |
| 18:47.48 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 18:48.05 | JeffM2501 | just make a physics object and apply it to an object that can have one. |
| 18:48.11 | felix_mmbg | no not working |
| 18:48.13 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, proxy check |
| 18:48.16 | DTRemenak | Grumbler, they do a portscan back, checking for open IRC relays |
| 18:48.24 | JeffM2501 | felix_mmbg, what object are you trying to apply it to? |
| 18:48.26 | jpa_ | felix_mmbg: http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/ |
| 18:48.32 | felix_mmbg | what about a startpoint? thats object position, but what is endpoint of move? |
| 18:48.41 | Grumbler | ok, thanks for the fyi |
| 18:48.42 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 18:48.45 | DTRemenak | helps stop virii and evil bots run on 0wned computers |
| 18:48.51 | JeffM2501 | for what type of phydriv? |
| 18:48.55 | JeffM2501 | there are many |
| 18:49.05 | JeffM2501 | what do you want it to do? |
| 18:49.08 | JeffM2501 | we need a bit of info |
| 18:49.36 | jpa_ | nope |
| 18:49.49 | jpa_ | we need to give him time to read my howto's :) |
| 18:49.57 | DTRemenak | Grumbler, http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#firewall |
| 18:50.01 | JeffM2501 | jpa_, get info first pimp later |
| 18:50.02 | felix_mmbg | hm... something like an elevator would be nice ;) |
| 18:50.13 | JeffM2501 | so you want something that moves the tank when your on it |
| 18:50.21 | JeffM2501 | that's just a vector |
| 18:50.23 | jpa_ | felix_mmbg: i have it there, see 3d transf. and physics |
| 18:50.25 | felix_mmbg | would be very nice if possible |
| 18:50.27 | JeffM2501 | have you read the manuals? |
| 18:50.37 | felix_mmbg | im doing ALL THE TIME |
| 18:50.37 | JeffM2501 | and the help stuff like jpa_ is pointing out |
| 18:50.45 | JeffM2501 | you can't do a REAL elivator |
| 18:51.02 | JeffM2501 | pydrivers can't move objects |
| 18:51.03 | JeffM2501 | just tanks |
| 18:51.10 | JeffM2501 | are you trying to make a moving box? |
| 18:51.23 | JeffM2501 | that lifts up like an elevator? |
| 18:51.27 | JeffM2501 | then goes back down? |
| 18:51.47 | felix_mmbg | yes |
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| 18:51.51 | jpa_ | not possible |
| 18:51.51 | JeffM2501 | you can't do that |
| 18:52.00 | JeffM2501 | objects in the map can not move |
| 18:52.11 | JeffM2501 | they can just use phydrivers to move tanks when the tank hits them |
| 18:52.13 | jpa_ | you can just have face properties that cause tank to move when it touches the surface |
| 18:52.24 | felix_mmbg | "Physics drivers are objects that affect tanks. They are used with objects..." |
| 18:52.33 | JeffM2501 | yes they are put on objects |
| 18:52.36 | JeffM2501 | the objects hold them |
| 18:52.45 | JeffM2501 | but they only affect tanks |
| 18:52.52 | JeffM2501 | not the objets themselves |
| 18:52.57 | JeffM2501 | you can't move an object |
| 18:53.03 | felix_mmbg | ok |
| 18:53.08 | felix_mmbg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.10 | JeffM2501 | you can make like a box that will bounce a tank up |
| 18:53.11 | felix_mmbg | ;) |
| 18:53.14 | JeffM2501 | not bad, just what we do |
| 18:53.26 | JeffM2501 | the network system is not set up for map object sync. |
| 18:53.38 | Grumbler | too bad trepan still doesnt have his map sample server up.....easier to explain |
| 18:53.45 | JeffM2501 | the project itself is even kind of lucky to have the phydrivs it has now :) |
| 18:53.54 | felix_mmbg | ...well...now i need new idea |
| 18:55.05 | felix_mmbg | escalator is nice to... |
| 18:55.15 | JeffM2501 | that is just a sloped object |
| 18:55.26 | JeffM2501 | with a vector that goes along the object |
| 18:55.39 | JeffM2501 | so when you hit it, it pushes you up and forward a bit. |
| 18:55.59 | felix_mmbg | yup..i did understand |
| 18:56.20 | felix_mmbg | and..if i create own texture with file, is that possible for everyone else to load it? |
| 18:56.37 | felix_mmbg | i have made a wall with the title.png as texture ;) |
| 18:57.11 | JeffM2501 | with 2.0.1 you can have the texture as a URL, and they will download it if they don't have it |
| 18:57.37 | felix_mmbg | ok theres one more... |
| 18:58.10 | felix_mmbg | BZFlag server 2.0.1.20050305- |
| 18:58.43 | JeffM2501 | the clients will need a 2.0.1 version as well |
| 18:59.01 | felix_mmbg | sure...wasnt possible first to install on my debian-woody, needed new kernel headers, libc |
| 18:59.19 | felix_mmbg | but Pimpinella made a .dep Package for me! |
| 18:59.27 | JeffM2501 | good for him |
| 19:00.30 | felix_mmbg | hm...this is one of the fastet public servers...but my Map is not very good...im totally Noob in creating Maps |
| 19:00.57 | jpa_ | so how fast is it? |
| 19:01.24 | felix_mmbg | Only 1 CPU |
| 19:01.28 | felix_mmbg | LOL |
| 19:01.36 | felix_mmbg | athlon 2800 |
| 19:01.52 | felix_mmbg | 50% idle more or less... |
| 19:01.54 | jpa_ | but, that does not matter |
| 19:02.12 | jpa_ | only bandwidth & ping actually |
| 19:02.27 | blast007 | unless you use message/callsign filtering |
| 19:02.31 | felix_mmbg | 200'000'000'000 Bytes free TRaffic ;) |
| 19:02.41 | felix_mmbg | per Month |
| 19:02.44 | felix_mmbg | ;) |
| 19:02.48 | jpa_ | :S |
| 19:03.07 | jpa_ | through a 56k modem, right? :) |
| 19:03.14 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:03.28 | felix_mmbg | Lol..no...testing with 14 players yesterday was without lag... |
| 19:03.54 | felix_mmbg | i need something to use the "free" TRaffic, i pay for it, so i have to use it, |
| 19:04.36 | felix_mmbg | name example_dyncol |
| 19:04.36 | felix_mmbg | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.36 | felix_mmbg | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.41 | blast007 | so you "pay" for "free" traffic? :) |
| 19:04.42 | felix_mmbg | red 0-255 |
| 19:05.05 | felix_mmbg | aerm...not free... better to say not used |
| 19:05.11 | blast007 | hehe, k |
| 19:05.24 | jpa_ | so give me an account and i'll handle the using part :) |
| 19:05.48 | jpa_ | this 10GBytes/month limit is freaking me out |
| 19:07.15 | felix_mmbg | well later i think i want to run a good map on the server, and need some Administrators... |
| 19:08.12 | felix_mmbg | Ping will be good from europe/germany |
| 19:09.32 | felix_mmbg | mmbg.net -- map with automatic weapons, super cool textures, but NO ELVETOR YET..CRY...... |
| 19:09.55 | blast007 | wow, 200,000,000,000 bytes is 186.26 gigabytes :) |
| 19:10.15 | felix_mmbg | the others 100 are used already ;) |
| 19:10.47 | felix_mmbg | Ok my next Problem |
| 19:11.02 | jpa_ | you can have elevator, just have a dozen meshboxes with alpha sequenced like 0.1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 |
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| 19:11.07 | jpa_ | but it won't move the tank :) |
| 19:11.42 | felix_mmbg | if i press Alt+Tab while playing Bzfalg |
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| 19:11.52 | felix_mmbg | windows crushes |
| 19:11.58 | felix_mmbg | like pressing "reset" |
| 19:11.58 | jpa_ | unless, you could have meshes instead meshboxes and make the bottom side passable, so that physics driver on the top face would throw you to next one |
| 19:12.05 | jpa_ | use f4 :) |
| 19:12.09 | Grumbler | why not just have a box flat with the surface with a mega jump value |
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| 19:12.21 | felix_mmbg | hm... |
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| 19:12.29 | jpa_ | Grumbler: it is not an escalator :) |
| 19:12.42 | felix_mmbg | there would be a possible solution, but it need to be playable ;) |
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| 19:12.59 | jpa_ | oh, don't worry, my suggestion is not :) |
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| 19:13.48 | Grumbler | well, it would mimic an elevator, you would just have to have enough skill to know how to tweak your jump |
| 19:13.53 | felix_mmbg | + |
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| 19:17.44 | felix_mmbg | who in the f... told me to press F4? |
| 19:18.05 | felix_mmbg | it crashes... |
| 19:18.07 | Noodle-sensei | you did :-) |
| 19:18.26 | felix_mmbg | its like reseting my windows |
| 19:18.44 | bryjen | f4 should be minimize |
| 19:19.18 | felix_mmbg | lol |
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| 19:19.26 | felix_mmbg | minimize to black screen |
| 19:19.33 | Noodle-sensei | *foom* |
| 19:20.01 | DTRemenak | felix_mmbg, what version of windows are you using? |
| 19:20.10 | felix_mmbg | ok, the server is up again, wasnt running in "nohub" mode |
| 19:20.15 | felix_mmbg | win2000 |
| 19:20.37 | DTRemenak | definately should not crash when minimizing then :) |
| 19:20.46 | Noodle-sensei | windows 95 forever! |
| 19:20.52 | amathis | NO! |
| 19:20.58 | amathis | Windows 3.1 > * |
| 19:21.08 | felix_mmbg | yeah but i have a lot of stuff on my PC including viruses and trojans ;) |
| 19:21.14 | DTRemenak | felix_mmbg, ahh, I see :) |
| 19:21.28 | DTRemenak | probably should avoid those things, you know |
| 19:21.45 | felix_mmbg | i have to leave bzflag, if I want to do some else while playing |
| 19:22.04 | amathis | heh |
| 19:22.10 | DTRemenak | amathis, windows 3.1 was only better because it ran on dos |
| 19:22.12 | amathis | stop going to shady websites >_< |
| 19:22.23 | felix_mmbg | lol |
| 19:22.39 | JeffM2501 | well bz does use 100% cpu |
| 19:22.40 | amathis | DTRemenak: Windows X.X is only better because it doesn't exist in my house |
| 19:22.50 | JeffM2501 | MS BOB! |
| 19:22.51 | jpa_ | hi gina |
| 19:23.12 | DTRemenak | amathis, denying its existence never helped anyone |
| 19:23.14 | felix_mmbg | ok...anyway thx for all help |
| 19:23.21 | blast007 | It looks like you're writing a letter. |
| 19:23.24 | felix_mmbg | i really tried to move the objects with phydrv |
| 19:23.28 | JeffM2501 | Bob rules you all |
| 19:23.47 | bryjen | dobbs? |
| 19:23.51 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 19:23.55 | JeffM2501 | Microsoft Bob |
| 19:23.55 | blast007 | oh, and if it mimizes to a black screen, it's probably in an unsupported refresh rate |
| 19:23.56 | felix_mmbg | !a |
| 19:23.57 | guu` | felix_mmbg: Tai-kong suo-yo duh shing-chiouh doh sai-jin wuh duh pee-go |
| 19:23.58 | JeffM2501 | the OS |
| 19:24.17 | felix_mmbg | huh? |
| 19:24.30 | JeffM2501 | you asked the bot something it didn't understand |
| 19:24.37 | JeffM2501 | guu hello |
| 19:24.38 | felix_mmbg | lol |
| 19:24.47 | felix_mmbg | ok |
| 19:24.47 | blast007 | guu` hello |
| 19:24.48 | guu` | hiya blast007! Good to see you! |
| 19:24.51 | JeffM2501 | and she cussed you out in chinese |
| 19:24.59 | gina | hi jpa_ |
| 19:25.05 | felix_mmbg | !offend guu` |
| 19:25.05 | guu` | felix_mmbg: Guu des whakaremasen! |
| 19:25.12 | Birdie | hi gina |
| 19:25.22 | DTRemenak | hmph, I get no love |
| 19:25.25 | JeffM2501 | guu`, nick guu |
| 19:25.39 | felix_mmbg | Lol |
| 19:25.45 | JeffM2501 | guu hasn't learned to hug yet, she's a bit introverted. |
| 19:25.45 | guu | JeffM2501: Jien tah-duh gwa |
| 19:25.52 | JeffM2501 | unless she's drunk |
| 19:25.55 | DTRemenak | guu, are you drunk? |
| 19:25.56 | guu | Dunno, DTRemenak. |
| 19:26.00 | DTRemenak | guu, drink |
| 19:26.01 | guu | DTRemenak: Huh? |
| 19:26.05 | DTRemenak | aww |
| 19:26.06 | Thumper_ | guu is a she? |
| 19:26.13 | JeffM2501 | guu gender |
| 19:26.13 | guu | Im all woman baby |
| 19:26.17 | DTRemenak | ibot gender |
| 19:26.18 | ibot | I'm not sure |
| 19:26.18 | Thumper_ | hehe |
| 19:26.36 | blast007 | ~literal gender |
| 19:26.37 | ibot | "gender" is "<reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure)" |
| 19:26.42 | Thumper_ | that would explain why she doesn't make sense all the time |
| 19:26.44 | Grumbler | ~weather knak |
| 19:26.53 | DTRemenak | ~weather kbur |
| 19:27.03 | Grumbler | temp is off |
| 19:27.06 | JeffM2501 | it's nice today |
| 19:27.14 | DTRemenak | it is nice today |
| 19:27.18 | DTRemenak | it was nice yesterday too |
| 19:27.25 | JeffM2501 | that it was |
| 19:27.33 | JeffM2501 | is the rain suposed to come back? |
| 19:27.38 | DTRemenak | dunno |
| 19:27.40 | Grumbler | !lart DTRemenak for living where there is nice weather |
| 19:28.09 | DTRemenak | ~lart Grumbler for being jealous |
| 19:28.14 | JeffM2501 | it's not horibly warm tho |
| 19:28.30 | felix_mmbg | if there are any players...not just developpers...join my map and pls give suggestions |
| 19:28.42 | DTRemenak | felix_mmbg, which one is yours? |
| 19:28.46 | felix_mmbg | mmbg.net |
| 19:28.55 | felix_mmbg | 0 players online ;( |
| 19:28.57 | DTRemenak | and what makes you think being players and developers are mutually exclusive? |
| 19:29.00 | Grumbler | !lart DTRemenak for not taking his punishment like a man |
| 19:29.03 | JeffM2501 | looks like just some clouds for the next 10 days |
| 19:29.12 | JeffM2501 | and only going to get up to 78 |
| 19:29.27 | DTRemenak | mm, sounds nice |
| 19:29.29 | Nidhoggr | supposed to be 80 in phx by friday. |
| 19:29.46 | JeffM2501 | well that's cus that's where the fires of the underworld come to the surface |
| 19:29.56 | felix_mmbg | hm...developpers sometimes to hard critisise...not in a view of player ;) |
| 19:30.12 | JeffM2501 | felix_mmbg, there is a channel for the leauge, lot more players there |
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| 19:30.24 | Pimpi | felix_mmbg: a thing like an elevator is possible |
| 19:30.24 | Grumbler | no, i think that is LA.....phx is where the vegas dumps its toxic waste |
| 19:30.39 | Pimpi | ask trepan for his physics map |
| 19:30.41 | JeffM2501 | I thought that was laughland |
| 19:31.04 | Nidhoggr | phoenix isn't the edge of the world, but you can see it from here. |
| 19:31.32 | Pimpi | he has a thing in it, that acts as an elevator |
| 19:32.09 | Pimpi | not if you stand on it, but if you move slowny backwards |
| 19:32.10 | Grumbler | escalator or elevator |
| 19:32.17 | gina | DTRemenak gender |
| 19:32.35 | Pimpi | hm |
| 19:32.36 | jpa_ | gina: undetermined and irrational |
| 19:32.44 | Pimpi | Grumbler: dunno |
| 19:32.49 | JeffM2501 | or posibly a jedi |
| 19:33.01 | gina | JeffM2501: I hope not |
| 19:33.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus a pregnant jedi, would be REALY moody |
| 19:33.21 | blast007 | heh |
| 19:33.27 | jpa_ | a little dtremenak that uses the force :) |
| 19:33.30 | Grumbler | i know he has the moving pyramid thingy, and the bounce block........i think the bounce block could be an elevator possiblity |
| 19:33.59 | Pimpi | Grumbler: i thought of the pyramid thing |
| 19:34.17 | Grumbler | escalator-like then...... |
| 19:34.59 | Grumbler | i was not too pleased with the playability of the escalator block....but i assume it could be tweaked to act nicer |
| 19:35.26 | DTRemenak | gina: I'm not sure |
| 19:35.45 | Grumbler | DTRemenak, you are not sure you are pregnant? |
| 19:35.47 | felix_mmbg | re |
| 19:35.54 | DTRemenak | Grumbler, that's right! |
| 19:35.56 | JeffM2501 | he's in colledge, he could be experiementing |
| 19:36.09 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 19:37.02 | DTRemenak | speaking of college, I have a math set that should take me three hours due in thirty minutes and I haven't started it yet |
| 19:37.07 | Grumbler | aah, i remember those days of checking out what being pregnant feels like.........or was that alcohol poisoning |
| 19:38.00 | felix_mmbg | im away...wake me up if someone joins my server ;) |
| 19:38.20 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, that could have just been the food from the commons |
| 19:38.33 | DTRemenak | mmm, food |
| 19:38.39 | retro | LOL! You guys are making me relieve some memories myself. :) |
| 19:38.45 | felix_mmbg | foooooooooooooooooood |
| 19:38.47 | JeffM2501 | it ias past foot thrity |
| 19:38.55 | JeffM2501 | food thrity even |
| 19:39.10 | retro | JeffM2501 is too hungry to type properly. |
| 19:39.16 | DTRemenak | or drunk |
| 19:39.20 | JeffM2501 | or both |
| 19:39.27 | JeffM2501 | well not since the box of wine |
| 19:39.36 | JeffM2501 | that stuff made me grumpy on saturday |
| 19:39.37 | retro | Looks like JeffM is in college too... |
| 19:39.44 | JeffM2501 | ohh god no |
| 19:39.45 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:40.18 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak has meet me, he knows I am very much no in college |
| 19:40.29 | DTRemenak | I'd be scared if you were :) |
| 19:40.38 | JeffM2501 | I'd be kinda dumb if I was |
| 19:40.44 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 19:40.52 | JeffM2501 | "late starter" |
| 19:40.52 | Grumbler | he does have that whole stalker look down |
| 19:41.40 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501 is an old grumpy programmer who likes fragging munchkins. not typical college attributes. |
| 19:41.49 | DTRemenak | 'cept maybe the fragging part |
| 19:41.53 | JeffM2501 | well I'm not that OLD |
| 19:42.03 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, relatively speaking... |
| 19:42.21 | JeffM2501 | to munchkins, my CAT is old |
| 19:42.25 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:42.34 | Nidhoggr | if JeffM2501 is old, I am ancient. |
| 19:42.51 | DTRemenak | if Nidhoggr is ancient, where does that leave MeBigFatGuy? |
| 19:42.59 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr, DTRemenak is still a kid, old is over 18 |
| 19:42.59 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:43.12 | DTRemenak | eek, that means I'M old! |
| 19:43.15 | DTRemenak | I don't like that view |
| 19:43.39 | ruskie | lol |
| 19:43.43 | DTRemenak | I was thinking more like...over 30 :) |
| 19:43.46 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, I'm catching up, I got my bad knee, soon I'll get a hip replacment and start smelling like old milk. |
| 19:44.02 | DTRemenak | that gives me a few years before I have to change my perceptions again :) |
| 19:44.24 | JeffM2501 | after 21 there become few things you look forward to age wise |
| 19:44.38 | JeffM2501 | the last is 25 when your car insurance goes down |
| 19:44.53 | orange | senior citizens discounts |
| 19:44.54 | Grumbler | over 30 is old until you actually reach 30, then 40 is old...then 45, then 60......then you dont care, you just hope you dont poop in your pants that day |
| 19:44.57 | orange | retirement age |
| 19:45.07 | JeffM2501 | and 27 when you realise "I'm too old for this crap" |
| 19:45.26 | DTRemenak | so you're saying you liked 25-27 best? |
| 19:45.32 | SportChick | ~lart jeffm2501 for talking about age in the presence of a lady |
| 19:45.36 | JeffM2501 | the 24 "damn teenagers are stupid these days" realisation is funn too |
| 19:45.43 | Grumbler | actually, i like being 6 the best |
| 19:45.51 | DTRemenak | teenagers _are_ stupid these days, JeffM2501 :) |
| 19:46.00 | SportChick | ooo now THAT's an insult |
| 19:46.01 | JeffM2501 | your ahead of your time then bud :) |
| 19:46.05 | SportChick | ~JeffM2501-- |
| 19:46.10 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 19:46.19 | gina | thanks SportChick |
| 19:46.24 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, teenagers were stupid when I was in middle school too |
| 19:46.29 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I have no idea how old you are |
| 19:46.33 | Grumbler | what are you complaining about SportChick, arent you like 22 or something? |
| 19:46.38 | JeffM2501 | actualy I think you do |
| 19:46.44 | SportChick | I do? |
| 19:46.45 | JeffM2501 | you can't be old, you have no grankids |
| 19:46.54 | SportChick | I have no children either |
| 19:46.58 | JeffM2501 | yet |
| 19:47.04 | gina | me neither |
| 19:47.08 | SportChick | let's not talk about that though |
| 19:47.09 | Grumbler | so you are going to die alone. |
| 19:47.29 | DTRemenak | geez, this is getting to be a little more involved than I expected... |
| 19:47.32 | orange | you can be a grandparent at 26, possibly even younger. |
| 19:47.46 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 19:47.50 | Birdie | omg orange |
| 19:48.01 | orange | it happens |
| 19:48.14 | SportChick | a friend of mine (I think he's 40 or 42) just got married and instantly became a grandad |
| 19:48.22 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 19:48.24 | guu | SportChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California is 68°F (10:47 AM PST on March 07, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 57°F. Pressure: 30.14 in (1020 hPa). Visibility: 5.0 miles (8.0 kilometers). UV: 5 out of 16 |
| 19:48.30 | SportChick | perfect! |
| 19:48.33 | DTRemenak | !weather 91126 |
| 19:48.35 | JeffM2501 | it is a nice day today |
| 19:48.36 | guu | DTRemenak: The current temperature in Pasadena, California is 55°F (11:45 AM PST on March 07, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 55°F. UV: 7 out of 16 |
| 19:48.44 | orange | Grumbler: right... and the child of a child is more likely to do the same thing |
| 19:48.44 | JeffM2501 | !weather 93021 |
| 19:48.46 | guu | JeffM2501: The current temperature in Moorpark, California is 55°F (11:47 AM PST on March 07, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 55°F. UV: 7 out of 16 |
| 19:49.00 | JeffM2501 | she's a bit warmer then we are |
| 19:49.01 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, your weather matches mine just about exactly :) |
| 19:49.10 | JeffM2501 | we are in similar places |
| 19:49.16 | JeffM2501 | she's right on the ocean |
| 19:49.23 | JeffM2501 | we have those mountans |
| 19:49.29 | DTRemenak | true |
| 19:49.51 | DTRemenak | I think I'm further inland than you are though...the coast does some crazy curves down there though |
| 19:50.01 | JeffM2501 | your kind of in the extension of the valleys made by the mountans that end over here |
| 19:50.02 | Grumbler | orange, not sure about that....i actually know a few people who have had children riduculously early and a few have really good kids. |
| 19:50.16 | DTRemenak | things would be so much easier if all geographical features were straight lines in cardinal directions |
| 19:50.28 | orange | there are always exceptions |
| 19:50.37 | JeffM2501 | the world would be a lot more borring |
| 19:50.41 | JeffM2501 | it'd be lego world |
| 19:50.46 | Birdie | the minimum should be 18..no metter how mature you are younger |
| 19:50.51 | DTRemenak | you say boring, I say ordered :) |
| 19:51.07 | JeffM2501 | just go over to northridge |
| 19:51.11 | orange | Birdie: how are you going to enforce that? :-) |
| 19:51.15 | JeffM2501 | the streets are like graph paper |
| 19:51.32 | Birdie | orange: i have no idea:) |
| 19:51.33 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:51.39 | Grumbler | orange ---tazer underwear |
| 19:51.46 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, they are in Sacramento too, away from the River |
| 19:51.53 | JeffM2501 | but then you'd have to go the valley |
| 19:51.56 | JeffM2501 | and ... eww |
| 19:52.02 | orange | hehehe |
| 19:52.05 | JeffM2501 | haven't been up there much |
| 19:52.11 | DTRemenak | and in fresno |
| 19:52.19 | JeffM2501 | another eww |
| 19:52.32 | DTRemenak | I am not saying I would like to live in fresno :) |
| 19:52.38 | DTRemenak | because...I wouldn't |
| 19:52.46 | JeffM2501 | northridge is a BIT closer |
| 19:52.55 | JeffM2501 | and it's got that mall thats prety good |
| 19:53.02 | JeffM2501 | or you can go over to glendale and hang out with LAN |
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| 19:53.47 | DTRemenak | the streets in pasadena are crazy. one way streets merging and doing hairpin turns, stopping altogether and starting again a few blocks later, doing wierd zigzags, crossing other streets two or three times... |
| 19:54.39 | JeffM2501 | they are wacked out there |
| 19:54.48 | DTRemenak | not sure lan would be my first choice of people to hang with |
| 19:55.14 | DTRemenak | suppose I wouldn't really know until I tried though |
| 19:56.11 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:56.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah ya never know |
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| 20:32.49 | Noodle-sensei | DTRemenak: evansville, indiana streets are just as bad, if not worse |
| 20:33.17 | DTRemenak | indiana!?! it's flat, why do they need crazy streets? |
| 20:35.26 | bryjen | not completely. downtown is flat. the layout of which streets are one-way and which way the go is a bit odd. |
| 20:39.34 | Grumbler | thats why everybody leaves evansville and goes to franklin |
| 20:40.17 | bryjen | and downtown streets run NW-SE tangent to (or SW-NE perpendicular to) the river where the rest of the city is N-S and E-W |
| 20:45.07 | Grumbler | unoffical channels?...... |
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| 20:57.09 | Nidhoggr | hi stevek |
| 21:03.20 | stevek | hey nid :) |
| 21:03.25 | stevek | howgoes it? |
| 21:09.21 | Nidhoggr | slow day |
| 21:09.29 | Nidhoggr | I wanna go home and take an afternoon nap. |
| 21:09.29 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:10.25 | Grumbler | at least its a change from your last few weeks |
| 21:13.21 | Nidhoggr | yeah.. it's been so busy. |
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| 21:48.00 | ep | My fps is 40 to 50 points lower on 2.0 with the same settings as far as i can tell. Is this normal? |
| 21:52.16 | Pimpi | many players have problems with fps loss |
| 21:53.13 | Grumbler | it takes a lot more tweaking even on high end hardware. |
| 21:53.31 | Pimpi | try to play with the settings |
| 21:55.40 | JeffM2501 | text has a large impact too |
| 21:56.00 | JeffM2501 | seems mostly on ATI cards |
| 21:57.36 | Pimpi | there was a setting, that makes the effects of text less problematic, but i can't remember what it was exactly |
| 21:58.06 | JeffM2501 | set GET_NVIDIA_CARD :) |
| 21:58.15 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 21:58.36 | JeffM2501 | then you lack FS |
| 21:58.41 | Grumbler | ...of course the lcd monitor doesnt help :) |
| 21:58.57 | Pimpi | after i turned off smoothing i got almost the same rame rates as on 1.10 |
| 21:59.12 | Pimpi | FS? |
| 21:59.26 | bryjen | set fuglyFontRenderer |
| 21:59.34 | JeffM2501 | Fung Shue |
| 21:59.46 | Pimpi | ic ;) |
| 22:00.15 | JeffM2501 | high frame rate can only be acheved by inner peace |
| 22:00.30 | Pimpi | ommmmmmmmm |
| 22:00.41 | JeffM2501 | you have a fish tank right? |
| 22:00.50 | Grumbler | hey, that doesnt look your burning incense there... |
| 22:01.17 | JeffM2501 | you mock my karma? |
| 22:02.15 | JeffM2501 | fishtank |
| 22:02.23 | JeffM2501 | keeps the evil out |
| 22:02.33 | Grumbler | to mock ones karma is to mock one's self, true peace can only come through embracing windows...............i KNEW it, that isnt incense |
| 22:02.35 | JeffM2501 | maps with meshes, or many transperant objects can be also rather slow |
| 22:03.59 | Grumbler | you can also play around with turning off and on the chat and radar displays to clue yourself into a solution.......letters Q and W |
| 22:04.30 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.1 also dosn't do a full state reset on font drawing, so it can be faster |
| 22:04.31 | ep | I'll start there grumbler, thanks |
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| 22:05.36 | bryjen | this week's #bzflag is brought to you by... |
| 22:06.18 | JeffM2501 | then number 3 |
| 22:08.44 | Grumbler | the seasame street pinball sequence rocks....dont be dis'ing it or i will have to go full muppet on ya..... |
| 22:08.56 | Blue_Eyes | #dub |
| 22:13.05 | JeffM2501 | near........................................................................................far...... |
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| 22:29.19 | Grumbler | ep when you find a setting that works, come on back and tell us...........it helps |
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| 22:59.49 | Grumbler | grr.... warning: world file extension is not .bzw |
| 23:00.49 | JeffM2501 | you'll live :) |
| 23:01.36 | DTRemenak | Grumbler, so rename it :) |
| 23:10.58 | Grumbler | its just aggravating to have a message about file extension when the blasted thing is a text file. whether its .bzw, .map, or .txt it matters not. it seems fine if you want .bzw as a generic extension, but to flag a warning message because of it seems silly......almost bill gates silly. |
| 23:12.13 | poxy | is this fact a bug: start bzflag with -window somethingxsomething and you test a video mode, hit escape, and end up in full screen mode? |
| 23:14.13 | JeffM2501 | the size goes on the -geometry option |
| 23:14.16 | JeffM2501 | not the -window |
| 23:14.36 | poxy | i see... it still goes out of windowed mode though |
| 23:14.56 | JeffM2501 | with -window -geometry XxY it allways says the same size for me |
| 23:14.58 | JeffM2501 | on windows |
| 23:15.16 | poxy | what about just -window? |
| 23:15.25 | JeffM2501 | never use just -window |
| 23:15.30 | JeffM2501 | allways witha geo |
| 23:15.46 | JeffM2501 | didn't even think it was valid |
| 23:15.50 | JeffM2501 | how would it know how big to make it |
| 23:17.32 | poxy | i've done enough chair warming for today |
| 23:17.33 | poxy | time to leave |
| 23:19.07 | poxy | Thanks JeffM2501 |
| 23:20.51 | JeffM2501 | dono what I did to help, but sure |
| 23:30.11 | Grumbler | thats interesting you can remote load a file into bzfs via ftp or http.....not sure what it could be used for, but i understand the necessity with the client |
| 23:31.20 | DTRemenak | Grumbler, you could reference a bzw on the mapmaker's web server. then you never have to manually update the map. |
| 23:31.49 | Grumbler | yeah, thats even freakier.... :) |
| 23:32.07 | JeffM2501 | or if the map is HUGE, then it dosnt' take server bandwith and cycles to send it |
| 23:32.28 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, you need to build the binary cache file in order to make that work |
| 23:32.28 | Grumbler | yeah, i got that for the client.....i didnt realize that the server used the same routine |
| 23:32.42 | DTRemenak | it's a different option than -world |
| 23:32.52 | DTRemenak | -world always takes the text bzw afaik |
| 23:33.54 | DTRemenak | bzfs -cacheout builds the binary world, and bzfs -cache tells the client to use it |
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| 23:34.29 | Grumbler | ....so, does -world "http://bogus.mapmaker.com/wickedcool.bzw" work....? |
| 23:34.31 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, ahh |
| 23:34.36 | DTRemenak | Grumbler, yes |
| 23:34.44 | JeffM2501 | or put a world parser in the client |
| 23:34.44 | DTRemenak | you don't get any speed advantage from that though |
| 23:34.46 | Grumbler | or does wickedcool.bzw have to be cacheout first |
| 23:34.58 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, that was one of our goals that we never got around to |
| 23:35.16 | JeffM2501 | the ill fated "libWorld" |
| 23:35.33 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, it's in stasis |
| 23:35.41 | JeffM2501 | ooo cryosleep |
| 23:35.50 | JeffM2501 | you know they go insane if you leave em in too long |
| 23:36.14 | Grumbler | just look what happened to me ;) |
| 23:36.18 | DTRemenak | insane worlds... :) |
| 23:36.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah he used to be a wooman |
| 23:36.29 | DTRemenak | eek |
| 23:36.52 | Grumbler | yep, dang, and i had a nice rear to......now its all hairy |
| 23:37.21 | JeffM2501 | we'll take your word for that |
| 23:37.48 | Grumbler | still have the same chest though |
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