| 00:07.01 | spldart | what's kind of inet connection for Spiralzone have? |
| 00:18.02 | blast007 | spldart: secretplace? |
| 00:19.28 | spldart | yeah |
| 00:19.38 | spldart | it seems really good... |
| 00:19.46 | JeffM2501 | it's at a datacenter |
| 00:19.48 | spldart | was wondering what it was |
| 00:20.04 | spldart | Does that mean t1 t3 trunk or soemthing? |
| 00:20.05 | blast007 | from my logs: <Nidhoggr>it usually hovers at around 1mbps |
| 00:20.13 | blast007 | so it's quite a fast connection |
| 00:20.42 | spldart | I'd say..... frak. I'm still typing N's before my message :mad |
| 00:20.53 | blast007 | nhehe |
| 00:20.54 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:21.28 | spldart | Well. Anywho... I'm waiting for the wife to finish downloading her music and stuff. Cuz I'm lagging to bad to play spiralzone... I keep getting lag warnings |
| 00:21.36 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:21.38 | spldart | 160's to 300's |
| 00:22.06 | blast007 | that used to be my usual lag when I had 56k |
| 00:22.06 | spldart | I'm like @$%^$#! We only have one broadband connection! ;) |
| 00:22.34 | JeffM2501 | limit her |
| 00:22.39 | spldart | Ok.. She says she's done... |
| 00:22.47 | spldart | I'm gonna jump back into the fray |
| 00:37.05 | JeffM2501 | # quit |
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| 00:41.33 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (8 files in 7 dirs): have client connect to IRC, and find the list server and ask for a nickname if it needs one. |
| 00:42.56 | wegstar | "client connect to IRC"? hmm.. |
| 00:43.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah for listing of games and chat handaling |
| 00:44.04 | JeffM2501 | asuming it all works in the end |
| 00:44.48 | wegstar | oh |
| 00:45.20 | spldart | ugh.. My new mouse pad is tired :( |
| 00:45.42 | JeffM2501 | LithiumBot was the "list server" for my tests |
| 00:46.02 | JeffM2501 | it gets the info from a server, and asigns a chat channel |
| 00:46.54 | wegstar | wait.. I lost you there.. It connects to an IRC channel for info? |
| 00:47.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:47.39 | JeffM2501 | everyone conencts to a "List" channel |
| 00:47.48 | wegstar | oh... |
| 00:47.49 | JeffM2501 | the bot gives out lobby and chat channel asignments |
| 00:47.58 | JeffM2501 | and sends server lists to clients via /msg |
| 00:48.19 | JeffM2501 | then the game server makes the asigned chat channel for it's in game chat |
| 00:48.47 | wegstar | so.. it's a better chatting system for bzflag? |
| 00:49.12 | JeffM2501 | it's a difrent way to do list server stuff that also takes the in game chat stuff into account |
| 00:49.20 | wegstar | ok |
| 00:49.23 | JeffM2501 | would allow for cross game chat |
| 00:49.29 | JeffM2501 | and IRC based server management |
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| 00:50.06 | wegstar | sweet .. :) |
| 00:50.24 | JeffM2501 | bigest thing it gets is redundancy, since the IRC network can span more then one system |
| 00:50.32 | JeffM2501 | as well as multiple bots could share the load |
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| 00:55.53 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/internet/irc/listbot/sample.cfg: update list server bot config with current info |
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| 01:40.02 | uso | damn, it _is_ a new feature :(( |
| 01:40.05 | cyber-menace | Hello, I need a little help getting something to work in BZFlag. |
| 01:40.15 | uso | "it's 2005 gosh golly, gotBlowedUp should mean something..." |
| 01:40.21 | cyber-menace | My sound is working at all, I need to know how to configure it. |
| 01:40.39 | cyber-menace | I use ALSA and my soundcard is a ens1371 (Ensoniq). |
| 01:40.56 | uso | *PLEASE* provide a setting to switch such crap off |
| 01:41.34 | cyber-menace | I'd like to get my sound working so does anyone know what I could do? |
| 01:42.55 | uso | you dont need to configure sound for bzflag |
| 01:43.59 | cyber-menace | Well... it doesn't work everytime I boot it up. |
| 01:44.19 | cyber-menace | It says "unavailable" but the first time I launched it, it worked. |
| 01:44.35 | cyber-menace | Although, the sound lagged badly at that time, so I thought I had to configure it. |
| 01:44.36 | uso | sounds like a general problem with your sound system |
| 01:44.52 | cyber-menace | It asks for the "Device" and "Directory" and I thought I had to fill those in. |
| 01:44.53 | uso | sound lagged? |
| 01:45.11 | cyber-menace | It was really messed up, both delayed and scrambled. |
| 01:45.12 | uso | normally you can leave this empty |
| 01:45.28 | cyber-menace | What would I put in there, I want to see if that can fix it. |
| 01:45.52 | uso | afaik you only need to set this if you have more than one sound card |
| 01:45.59 | cyber-menace | Ah. |
| 01:46.12 | cyber-menace | I'll go see if I get sound again by making them empty again. |
| 01:48.11 | cyber-menace | That got it. |
| 01:48.15 | cyber-menace | One more question. |
| 01:48.47 | cyber-menace | Is there anyway to make it so I CAN'T see the front of my tank during the game. I liked it better in the older versions when It was truely 1st person. |
| 01:50.11 | Tegan | cyber-menace: yes |
| 01:50.12 | uso | try the effects settings under options |
| 01:50.27 | Tegan | and turn off treads |
| 01:51.35 | cyber-menace | I was wondering what that "Display Treads" option meant. |
| 01:51.45 | cyber-menace | I thought it meant the treadmarks left on the ground. |
| 01:52.08 | cyber-menace | Well, thank you for your help, now whenever ClanBomber is done emerging I can play some BZFlag. |
| 01:52.27 | uso | :) |
| 01:52.56 | cyber-menace | emerge is the best thing that has ever happened to me. Before I used to struggle to find and download many thing's dependencies. |
| 01:53.12 | cyber-menace | BZFlag was installed easily thanks to it! |
| 01:54.19 | Tegan | what more could you need? |
| 01:54.46 | cyber-menace | I get bored of BZFlag sometimes so I have to play other things. |
| 01:56.25 | cyber-menace | No f****n way! ZSNES is on emerge! |
| 01:56.37 | cyber-menace | What the heck are emulators doing on emerge. |
| 01:58.00 | Tegan | You might want #gentoo for that one. |
| 01:58.08 | cyber-menace | I know. |
| 01:58.16 | cyber-menace | I just think it's hilarious is all. |
| 01:58.25 | cyber-menace | Well I'm going to sign out, thanks again for the help., |
| 01:58.43 | uso | have the bzflag server a console? i got messages from [SERVER]. how to do this? |
| 02:01.23 | uso | i have a bzadmin running all the time to monitor the server, but i cannot send messages as '[SERVER]' |
| 02:01.33 | uso | is ther a better way? |
| 02:01.35 | Tegan | you have bzfs.6? |
| 02:02.30 | uso | oops, is it a new feature of 2.0? |
| 02:03.17 | Tegan | it's in the ChangeLog for 2.0.1 |
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| 02:09.10 | uso | does this mean if i'm using /say as an admin message appears for the client as it comes from the server? |
| 02:11.34 | blast007 | uso: that's my understanding of the command, though I have yet to try it |
| 02:21.48 | uso | it's exactly that, have just tested it |
| 02:21.52 | blast007 | k |
| 02:25.18 | spldart | Life is good. |
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| 03:19.39 | shrubs | I try to start a server and it always comes up with an error message that says "Failed.. Unknown Error". Can someone help me? |
| 03:20.57 | shrubs | I have older versions of BZFlag that work fine, but I dont know why 2.0.0 wont work. |
| 03:22.04 | shrubs | Can someone help me plz? |
| 03:23.24 | MeBigFatGuy | what is your command line |
| 03:24.05 | shrubs | ??? |
| 03:24.14 | MeBigFatGuy | how do you start your server |
| 03:24.45 | bendy24 | shrubs: check your log file |
| 03:24.49 | shrubs | from within bzflag |
| 03:24.56 | bendy24 | ? |
| 03:25.02 | MeBigFatGuy | while that should work, it is not recommeneded |
| 03:25.22 | shrubs | this is on a winxp system |
| 03:25.48 | MeBigFatGuy | still, best to start the server from the command line |
| 03:25.57 | bendy24 | what error are you getting? |
| 03:26.14 | shrubs | i used the start menu link, but it comes up with a blank dos prompt that doesn't say anything |
| 03:26.22 | shrubs | the bzfs |
| 03:26.33 | shrubs | "failed - unknown error |
| 03:26.39 | MeBigFatGuy | do start menu, run and type in cmd |
| 03:26.39 | shrubs | is the message |
| 03:26.44 | MeBigFatGuy | then cd to the bzflag directory and type |
| 03:26.50 | MeBigFatGuy | bzfs -p 5154 |
| 03:26.52 | MeBigFatGuy | for instance |
| 03:27.48 | shrubs | i'll try |
| 03:31.34 | shrubs | thanks! It works now! |
| 03:31.45 | MeBigFatGuy | there are many many options that you can add to bzfs |
| 03:31.51 | MeBigFatGuy | look at the bzfs.html |
| 03:31.53 | MeBigFatGuy | for details |
| 03:32.15 | MeBigFatGuy | or you can use bzfs_conf.html |
| 03:32.25 | MeBigFatGuy | to build a configuration file |
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| 03:40.17 | spldart | wow... IRC is the "how to start a bzflag server" interactive guide :D |
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| 03:43.24 | Inferno_Pyrotech | does anyone here know how to create a non closing socket like this |
| 03:43.34 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I'm really eager |
| 03:43.38 | Inferno_Pyrotech | to know |
| 03:43.48 | Inferno_Pyrotech | ANYONE KNOW?????????/ |
| 03:43.51 | MeBigFatGuy | non closing? |
| 03:44.02 | MeBigFatGuy | sockets don't close unless you close them |
| 03:44.09 | MeBigFatGuy | so by default any are non-closing |
| 03:44.18 | Inferno_Pyrotech | no |
| 03:44.44 | Inferno_Pyrotech | the http headers or whatever are constantly reopened everyone time someone makes a request |
| 03:44.56 | MeBigFatGuy | the server closes the socket |
| 03:45.05 | Inferno_Pyrotech | but w3c or something created a non closing socket |
| 03:45.08 | MeBigFatGuy | but you can use Keep-Alive |
| 03:45.12 | MeBigFatGuy | to not do that |
| 03:45.21 | Inferno_Pyrotech | how do you make the server not close |
| 03:45.32 | MeBigFatGuy | add a Keep-Alive request header |
| 03:45.41 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I tried that, didn't work |
| 03:46.14 | Inferno_Pyrotech | but once you do that, does the perl program keep runnng? |
| 03:46.27 | MeBigFatGuy | the server is allowed to ignore your request |
| 03:46.46 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I use apache, can you help me configure it |
| 03:47.04 | MeBigFatGuy | not an apache expert |
| 03:47.04 | Inferno_Pyrotech | apache 2, the latest windows version |
| 03:47.09 | Inferno_Pyrotech | oh |
| 03:47.22 | MeBigFatGuy | http://www.io.com/~maus/HttpKeepAlive.html |
| 03:47.28 | Inferno_Pyrotech | ok |
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| 03:47.46 | Inferno_Pyrotech | but then I need to know how to submit new content into the perl program |
| 03:48.02 | MeBigFatGuy | this is cgi? |
| 03:48.06 | Inferno_Pyrotech | that is sending info to the browser from a different perl thing |
| 03:48.08 | Inferno_Pyrotech | right |
| 03:50.10 | MeBigFatGuy | dunno, i'm a java guy for web... |
| 03:50.23 | MeBigFatGuy | my understanding was cgi launched and terminated |
| 03:50.31 | MeBigFatGuy | but i'm sure you can get around that |
| 03:51.12 | Inferno_Pyrotech | let me give you an example of a cgi app like that, RIGHT HERE (no offence) |
| 03:51.39 | MeBigFatGuy | hmm? |
| 03:52.03 | Inferno_Pyrotech | do you know if you can relaunch the cgi app, from another with arguments and then send the info? |
| 03:52.09 | MeBigFatGuy | no idea |
| 03:52.22 | Inferno_Pyrotech | do you have any contacts |
| 03:52.48 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I'm only a begginer in programming |
| 03:52.50 | MeBigFatGuy | there are perl experts here |
| 03:52.53 | MeBigFatGuy | i am not one |
| 03:52.58 | uso | what does "ws" as cvs comment mean? |
| 03:53.01 | Inferno_Pyrotech | why not talk |
| 03:53.03 | blast007 | White Space |
| 03:53.05 | MeBigFatGuy | white space |
| 03:53.12 | uso | ahh, thx |
| 03:53.25 | Inferno_Pyrotech | Anyone here know perl ??? |
| 03:53.45 | brlcad | nobody |
| 03:53.45 | Inferno_Pyrotech | thx for the help MBFG |
| 03:53.47 | brlcad | not a one |
| 03:54.01 | Inferno_Pyrotech | but MBFG said there where |
| 03:54.11 | brlcad | is that like a tomato? |
| 03:54.12 | Inferno_Pyrotech | were |
| 03:54.18 | MeBigFatGuy | i'm a delusional old fool |
| 03:54.26 | Inferno_Pyrotech | sure |
| 03:54.35 | brlcad | i'm a delusional young fool |
| 03:55.00 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I'm a inteligent youngster lol |
| 03:55.27 | brlcad | ask stupid questions, get stupid answers |
| 03:55.47 | Inferno_Pyrotech | stupid question ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! |
| 03:56.07 | brlcad | exactly |
| 03:56.26 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I know, you aren't exactly the hopefull maniac I am! |
| 03:56.41 | Inferno_Pyrotech | ANYONE OUT THERE THAT CAN HELP ME ? |
| 03:56.51 | brlcad | ~ask |
| 03:56.52 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 03:56.58 | MeBigFatGuy | maybe join #perl |
| 03:57.19 | Inferno_Pyrotech | at my.bzflag.org ? |
| 03:57.26 | Inferno_Pyrotech | how do I join |
| 03:57.33 | MeBigFatGuy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.37 | blast007 | you might need a real client to go there |
| 03:57.42 | brlcad | you're an intelligent youngster, no? |
| 03:57.56 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 03:58.02 | Inferno_Pyrotech | dude, I an't into IRC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:58.05 | blast007 | isn't the CGI:IRC locked down to certain channels? |
| 03:58.11 | MeBigFatGuy | oh, prolly |
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| 03:58.17 | brlcad | indeed it is |
| 03:58.18 | blast007 | Inferno_Pyrotech: but you seem to be into !!!! and ?!?!?! |
| 03:58.18 | MeBigFatGuy | get a real irc client |
| 03:58.32 | Inferno_Pyrotech | thinks for the comment |
| 03:58.39 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I had own before |
| 03:58.41 | brlcad | Inferno_Pyrotech: that wouldn't stop an intelligent youngster :) |
| 03:58.42 | MeBigFatGuy | http://www.xchat.org/ |
| 03:58.52 | brlcad | http://irchelp.org |
| 03:59.05 | brlcad | http://google.com |
| 03:59.13 | Inferno_Pyrotech | get this, I'm smart enough not to get trapped by the crapp on IRC |
| 03:59.15 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 03:59.22 | blast007 | Inferno_Pyrotech: if you are wanting to know how CGI:IRC keeps the connection open, you can check out their source at http://cgiirc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:59.31 | Inferno_Pyrotech | you know, the stuff they talk 'bout |
| 03:59.55 | MeBigFatGuy | i'm sure cgi:irc uses keep-alives |
| 04:00.03 | Inferno_Pyrotech | ok |
| 04:00.07 | brlcad | Inferno_Pyrotech: you've yet to actually ask a question that pertains to bzflag, which is the topic of this channel |
| 04:00.12 | Inferno_Pyrotech | no, they don't |
| 04:00.31 | Inferno_Pyrotech | how do you kill yourself the most ?, lol |
| 04:00.38 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I'm sure you all know |
| 04:00.49 | blast007 | shoot directly at a wall |
| 04:00.58 | blast007 | ;) |
| 04:01.09 | Inferno_Pyrotech | what is your favorite server, I like tavern.?? alot |
| 04:01.50 | brlcad | drive into a river .. or any map with a kill-plane is always fun |
| 04:02.20 | blast007 | my favorite servers are the ones that have players |
| 04:02.30 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I knew you guys where suicidals, to bad the Japanese aren't still fighting |
| 04:02.44 | brlcad | ehh |
| 04:03.01 | brlcad | Is that supposed to mean something? |
| 04:03.19 | Inferno_Pyrotech | oh, to bad you aren't in iraq |
| 04:03.37 | Inferno_Pyrotech | that's more meaningfull, you could blow up afew people there |
| 04:04.01 | brlcad | i get to blow up enough things over here |
| 04:04.21 | Inferno_Pyrotech | not yourself, that's the problem |
| 04:04.29 | Inferno_Pyrotech | BTW, where is here? |
| 04:04.33 | brlcad | but I wouldn't mind defending la patria regardless |
| 04:04.38 | blast007 | it's over there |
| 04:04.45 | Inferno_Pyrotech | country? |
| 04:04.49 | Inferno_Pyrotech | state? |
| 04:04.53 | Inferno_Pyrotech | city? |
| 04:04.55 | Inferno_Pyrotech | town? |
| 04:04.59 | blast007 | planet? |
| 04:05.03 | Inferno_Pyrotech | credit card# ? |
| 04:05.10 | Inferno_Pyrotech | name? |
| 04:05.12 | Inferno_Pyrotech | email? |
| 04:05.17 | Inferno_Pyrotech | mothers last name? |
| 04:05.23 | Inferno_Pyrotech | height? |
| 04:05.24 | blast007 | okay, you can stop now |
| 04:05.26 | Inferno_Pyrotech | race? |
| 04:05.34 | Inferno_Pyrotech | you can answer now |
| 04:05.49 | Inferno_Pyrotech | you don't have to if you don't want to though, USA here |
| 04:06.05 | Inferno_Pyrotech | minnesota, duluth |
| 04:06.13 | Inferno_Pyrotech | name: Inferno |
| 04:06.16 | Inferno_Pyrotech | lol |
| 04:06.30 | MeBigFatGuy | if you had a real client you could probably infer this info :) |
| 04:06.48 | Inferno_Pyrotech | infer this info? |
| 04:07.41 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I bet this cgi app connects to a global IRC database, not it's own that would change things |
| 04:08.05 | blast007 | why don't you ask the people that write it? |
| 04:08.39 | blast007 | I guess I don't understand why you are here, assuming that we can provide information about something we didn't write |
| 04:08.50 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I actually haven't met any of those poeple, believe it or not |
| 04:09.23 | brlcad | Inferno_Pyrotech: the persistent http and IRC specifications are available in a variety of places on-line if you're interested |
| 04:09.31 | Inferno_Pyrotech | Do you know how to get smart, YOU ASK QUESTIONS |
| 04:09.32 | Inferno_Pyrotech | ok |
| 04:09.57 | Inferno_Pyrotech | You still learn even when your asking dummies the questions |
| 04:10.01 | brlcad | Inferno_Pyrotech: you also listen and learn |
| 04:10.13 | brlcad | if you're going to be beligerant, you may leave |
| 04:10.16 | blast007 | http://cgiirc.sourceforge.net/contact/ (they have an email address, and an IRC channel @ irc.blitzed.org, #cgiirc) |
| 04:10.19 | Inferno_Pyrotech | like who not to ask another question to |
| 04:10.55 | brlcad | it's much too nice a saturday to put up with a troll |
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| 04:11.01 | spldart | So this ish happens more than once a day. |
| 04:11.10 | brlcad | spldart: sometimes more than others |
| 04:11.14 | brlcad | sometimes not for days |
| 04:11.30 | spldart | :( I must be attracting flies... |
| 04:11.35 | Inferno_Pyrotech | hey, sry for the inconvinience |
| 04:11.36 | spldart | I'll go bathe :D |
| 04:11.37 | spldart | LOL |
| 04:11.59 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I only am trying to get the brains flowing in your heads |
| 04:12.02 | brlcad | it's not you, it's just the nature of gaming and kids |
| 04:12.09 | brlcad | Inferno_Pyrotech: last warning |
| 04:12.11 | spldart | I know |
| 04:12.15 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I'm not a kid though |
| 04:12.39 | Inferno_Pyrotech | sry again |
| 04:12.47 | spldart | Inferno - Some of us are using all 140+ IQ points enough a day as it is ;) |
| 04:12.56 | blast007 | my brain typically doesn't flow, as it's a solid mass, not liquid like some |
| 04:13.14 | Inferno_Pyrotech | sry if you think I meant to mush your brains |
| 04:13.29 | spldart | eeeeeeeyyyyyyuuuuuuuuwwwwaaaaahhhhhhh |
| 04:13.36 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I meant "get the liquids in your brain flowing" |
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| 04:13.56 | JeffM2501 | munchkins abound again? |
| 04:13.56 | blast007 | :) |
| 04:13.59 | Inferno_Pyrotech | you don't have to grows out, only words |
| 04:14.07 | Inferno_Pyrotech | hi jeff, know perl |
| 04:14.09 | spldart | yep |
| 04:14.17 | JeffM2501 | nope I only use real languages |
| 04:14.25 | spldart | LOL |
| 04:14.26 | Inferno_Pyrotech | like? |
| 04:14.31 | JeffM2501 | ones with pointers |
| 04:14.33 | JeffM2501 | and classes |
| 04:14.41 | Inferno_Pyrotech | c ? |
| 04:14.46 | JeffM2501 | of the ++ |
| 04:14.55 | Inferno_Pyrotech | didn't show |
| 04:14.56 | Inferno_Pyrotech | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.10 | Inferno_Pyrotech | contains to pluses " " |
| 04:15.18 | Inferno_Pyrotech | weird |
| 04:15.26 | JeffM2501 | well when on webchat yeah wierd things can happen |
| 04:15.28 | MeBigFatGuy | http encoding |
| 04:15.42 | JeffM2501 | I also only use real IRC clients |
| 04:15.44 | spldart | LMAO! |
| 04:15.45 | Inferno_Pyrotech | yeah, pluses are converted from spaces |
| 04:16.16 | Inferno_Pyrotech | and there for they need to convert them back to spaces |
| 04:16.27 | JeffM2501 | what brings the munchkins here today? |
| 04:16.33 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@2002:45a5:3899:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 04:16.35 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I'm going over the internet |
| 04:16.50 | Inferno_Pyrotech | munchkins are FUN |
| 04:16.51 | JeffM2501 | the entire thing |
| 04:16.51 | brlcad | mm.. bryjen's on ipv6 .. crazy |
| 04:16.51 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 04:17.06 | MeBigFatGuy | nifty |
| 04:17.17 | MeBigFatGuy | 0:0:0:1 |
| 04:17.18 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 04:17.29 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, libIRC accedentaly got new features |
| 04:17.31 | brlcad | there can be only 1 ;) |
| 04:17.37 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I noticed ;) |
| 04:17.50 | Inferno_Pyrotech | libIRC ? |
| 04:17.52 | JeffM2501 | they just kinda sliped in |
| 04:17.55 | bryjen | its a rube goldberg network |
| 04:18.10 | Inferno_Pyrotech | ummmm..... ok |
| 04:18.19 | bryjen | ip6 encap'ed in ip4 thru a gateway in germany |
| 04:18.41 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I'm in USA though |
| 04:18.45 | MeBigFatGuy | wow didn't know bryjen was de-er |
| 04:18.51 | bryjen | last month it was korea |
| 04:18.55 | JeffM2501 | Inferno_Pyrotech, not al lthings are about you. |
| 04:18.56 | MeBigFatGuy | ah, i see |
| 04:19.03 | Inferno_Pyrotech | oh, sry |
| 04:19.08 | brlcad | gotta keep the police at bay |
| 04:19.12 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I think I need a build system, how hard would it be to reuse the libIRC one? |
| 04:19.14 | bryjen | but that 6to4 gateway stopped working |
| 04:19.37 | bryjen | ~bryjen |
| 04:19.38 | ibot | it has been said that bryjen is the owner of the KY,US server, or the master of the single-character commit |
| 04:19.42 | Inferno_Pyrotech | but, I'm using precious time :) |
| 04:19.50 | brlcad | JeffM2501: a build system for what? libIRC's gnu build system is 95% portable and potable |
| 04:20.03 | JeffM2501 | for BZG3d |
| 04:20.10 | JeffM2501 | aka "lithium flower" |
| 04:20.16 | MeBigFatGuy | :) |
| 04:20.19 | JeffM2501 | how nasty is the last 5% |
| 04:20.23 | brlcad | JeffM2501: ahh :) |
| 04:20.47 | brlcad | not bad at all .. mainly renaming the package and setting the version number in the configure.ac file |
| 04:21.04 | bryjen | sadly, i've found no single-character bugs recently |
| 04:21.11 | JeffM2501 | it's ether that or I con somone into doing listbot in python |
| 04:21.22 | Inferno_Pyrotech | hey, you're suposed to be talking 'bout BZFLAG :) |
| 04:21.33 | brlcad | I've made several configure.ac and autogen.sh improvements that I need to bring over at some point, but what's there should be good to go |
| 04:21.48 | brlcad | Inferno_Pyrotech: we are |
| 04:21.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah we are |
| 04:22.07 | Inferno_Pyrotech | php vs python vs perl, which is best can I have an opinion |
| 04:22.09 | JeffM2501 | what are you talking about? |
| 04:22.12 | Inferno_Pyrotech | ok |
| 04:22.20 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I'll give it a go |
| 04:22.41 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to run the main bot on linux |
| 04:22.43 | JeffM2501 | and not win |
| 04:22.49 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I'm just interested in programming and I noticed most bz people already are programmers |
| 04:23.02 | JeffM2501 | this is a dev channel so that would make sense |
| 04:23.10 | Inferno_Pyrotech | ok |
| 04:23.13 | MeBigFatGuy | shocker |
| 04:23.23 | Inferno_Pyrotech | so php vs perl vs python |
| 04:23.29 | Inferno_Pyrotech | works here |
| 04:23.30 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2502 (~JeffM@adsl-68-126-250-156.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 04:23.44 | Inferno_Pyrotech | any comments? |
| 04:23.47 | JeffM2501 | Noodleman, not it dosn't |
| 04:23.53 | JeffM2501 | take it to #lamelanguagewars |
| 04:24.01 | JeffM2501 | supid tab |
| 04:24.03 | *** part/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 04:24.26 | Inferno_Pyrotech | ? |
| 04:24.28 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 04:24.34 | JeffM2501 | stupid reflexes |
| 04:24.48 | purple_cow | Inferno_Pyrotech: that's not a discussion that's worth having. use whatever is best suited for the task at hand |
| 04:24.49 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I like the s word too |
| 04:25.06 | Inferno_Pyrotech | ok |
| 04:25.12 | JeffM2501 | then say it in your own space as much as you want, just not here |
| 04:25.17 | Inferno_Pyrotech | my first time here BTW |
| 04:25.21 | brlcad | Inferno_Pyrotech: there's lots of articles about such debates on-line -- i suggest you search for them there instead of spawning such discussions here |
| 04:25.25 | JeffM2501 | realy? coudn't tell. |
| 04:25.58 | Inferno_Pyrotech | Ummmm, the sites don't have quite as much dynamic stuff as this nice chat room :) |
| 04:26.14 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I like to give feedback and questions |
| 04:26.15 | JeffM2501 | then #php |
| 04:26.19 | JeffM2501 | and #perl |
| 04:26.23 | brlcad | yeah, but those sites won't steal your voice when you use them inappropriately either |
| 04:26.41 | MeBigFatGuy | JeffM2501, you'd need a real irc client for that |
| 04:26.42 | brlcad | see the irchelp website I mentioned, get a real client, and try a more appropriate channel |
| 04:26.50 | purple_cow | Inferno_Pyrotech: generally, the people here are programmers who are used to actually getting things done, and we're all tired of having language fanboys say "you shouldn't use X language, because it sucks. use Y language!" |
| 04:26.52 | JeffM2501 | yes he wuld |
| 04:27.24 | JeffM2501 | and purple_cow is a build system fanboy so he knows :) |
| 04:27.35 | Inferno_Pyrotech | yeah, I hate that crazy language stuff toooo, that's exactly why I come here. I guess you don't get it |
| 04:27.54 | brlcad | purple_cow: you shouldn't use python language, because it sucks. use ml language! |
| 04:27.56 | JeffM2501 | you came here to talk about off topic things? |
| 04:28.01 | purple_cow | brlcad: yes sir. |
| 04:28.10 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow: you shoudl use CVS, SVN sucks |
| 04:28.16 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: m1 sucks, use algol |
| 04:28.28 | Inferno_Pyrotech | sry, I don't realize what is topic. Except chat away and be hearty |
| 04:28.42 | bryjen | ibot: topic |
| 04:28.54 | JeffM2501 | well since you went to a .bzflg site to get here, I think that is doubtfull |
| 04:29.00 | JeffM2501 | do you even know what the game is? |
| 04:29.05 | bryjen | ibot sucks |
| 04:29.06 | ibot | If you give me $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 04:29.10 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I talked to you before bout it |
| 04:29.24 | MeBigFatGuy | bryjen, ibot sucks, use guu |
| 04:29.24 | guu | I have no idea, MeBigFatGuy. |
| 04:29.25 | JeffM2501 | if you want chat just hit efnet |
| 04:29.28 | Inferno_Pyrotech | you said bzflag SUCKED |
| 04:29.37 | JeffM2501 | I say lots of things |
| 04:29.42 | JeffM2501 | I'm a rebel |
| 04:29.45 | Inferno_Pyrotech | yeah, most people chat bout sick stuff, here is a safe place |
| 04:29.59 | Inferno_Pyrotech | seriously |
| 04:30.55 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: i'm not so much as a build system fanboy as i am an advocate of developing systems less painful than autotools |
| 04:30.58 | Inferno_Pyrotech | first time I came here for A SHORT time topic was ghosts :) very bz related |
| 04:31.17 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow: but painfull dev systems are like a linux tradition :) |
| 04:31.23 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 04:31.32 | JeffM2501 | you want to rock the boat? |
| 04:31.33 | Inferno_Pyrotech | anyone here know where to get the perfect CMS, I'm in need (LET THIS ONE PASS) |
| 04:31.46 | JeffM2501 | this is not a place for web stuff |
| 04:31.52 | JeffM2501 | use your brain and research it |
| 04:31.59 | bryjen | and nothing is perfect |
| 04:32.09 | Inferno_Pyrotech | not very much about it on web |
| 04:32.17 | JeffM2501 | google, it knows all |
| 04:32.20 | Inferno_Pyrotech | it's still in your brains of experience |
| 04:32.31 | brlcad | purple_cow: believe it or not.. i've been lightly considering testing scons for brl-cad .. not so sure it's worth the effort, but it's an interesting thought |
| 04:32.48 | purple_cow | hurray! |
| 04:33.09 | brlcad | it'd be a _lot_ of work to reimplement the entire build system again, regardless of the build system |
| 04:33.27 | Inferno_Pyrotech | and if anyone wants software testing I do that too, I'm part of a company with a high level |
| 04:33.37 | Inferno_Pyrotech | VERY HIGH INTEGRITY TOO |
| 04:33.48 | MeBigFatGuy | so, i guess brlcad votes for python |
| 04:33.50 | JeffM2501 | do they type in all caps as well? |
| 04:33.50 | Inferno_Pyrotech | good work and low pay, come here today |
| 04:33.59 | purple_cow | see that key to the left of 'a', the one that ways "caps lock"? avoid it please |
| 04:34.09 | Inferno_Pyrotech | ok, sry |
| 04:34.20 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking under 15 |
| 04:34.24 | JeffM2501 | maybe 13 |
| 04:34.31 | Inferno_Pyrotech | 14 |
| 04:34.41 | JeffM2501 | ant? |
| 04:34.46 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I am part of a company though :( |
| 04:34.48 | MeBigFatGuy | ant.apache.org |
| 04:34.54 | JeffM2501 | sure ya are skip |
| 04:35.02 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: you're getting frighteningly good at that |
| 04:35.09 | JeffM2501 | experience |
| 04:35.18 | Inferno_Pyrotech | ask me some question |
| 04:35.22 | Inferno_Pyrotech | test me |
| 04:35.25 | JeffM2501 | the instant dennayal of "I'm not a kid" |
| 04:35.36 | sgk284 | jeff yea every week you get more accurate |
| 04:35.38 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 04:35.38 | JeffM2501 | dude just shut it, noone is gonna play your troll game. |
| 04:35.46 | MeBigFatGuy | can you guess weight, too? |
| 04:36.01 | JeffM2501 | allcaps = fat fingers |
| 04:36.03 | Inferno_Pyrotech | dude, this sucks you guys don't believe |
| 04:36.05 | JeffM2501 | eww java |
| 04:36.15 | Inferno_Pyrotech | 110 lbs. |
| 04:36.15 | sgk284 | Inferno_Pyrotech, not at all |
| 04:36.33 | JeffM2501 | why do we have to belive? |
| 04:37.01 | Inferno_Pyrotech | Cause I an't a kid and don't like the term, I'm strictly business related, not a kid |
| 04:37.02 | brlcad | insecure? need attention? |
| 04:37.19 | JeffM2501 | if you can't drink, your a kid, leave it at that |
| 04:37.22 | brlcad | heh, yeah.. that'd never be something a kid would say..... |
| 04:37.25 | sgk284 | denying it like that only reaffirms it |
| 04:37.46 | Inferno_Pyrotech | My brothers used to say that |
| 04:37.51 | brlcad | only people that aren't kids generally want to be kids again :) |
| 04:37.59 | sgk284 | heh |
| 04:38.01 | purple_cow | hmm, drink |
| 04:38.01 | MeBigFatGuy | too true |
| 04:38.03 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I'm in the middle |
| 04:38.05 | Inferno_Pyrotech | lol |
| 04:38.07 | JeffM2501 | are we geting purple_cow drunk this sigraph? |
| 04:38.13 | Inferno_Pyrotech | you guys suck |
| 04:38.20 | JeffM2501 | only for the nice ladys |
| 04:38.26 | MeBigFatGuy | i'll be poopin' in my paints in no time, tho |
| 04:38.32 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I sure hope so |
| 04:38.34 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: i very much dislike being drunk, but i'm not opposed to one or two ;) |
| 04:38.41 | Inferno_Pyrotech | at least I don't talk so base |
| 04:38.47 | JeffM2501 | we'll just make them "special" |
| 04:38.50 | brlcad | I wanna see purple_cow code drunk |
| 04:39.00 | JeffM2501 | if you can't take the heat, get out of the fire Inferno_Pyrotech |
| 04:39.13 | Inferno_Pyrotech | what heat? |
| 04:39.14 | JeffM2501 | he'd like code up a true AI |
| 04:39.23 | JeffM2501 | and call it sheela |
| 04:39.43 | uso | what are the 4 vaules in the color arrays in SceneBuilder? RGB + ? transparency? |
| 04:39.46 | Inferno_Pyrotech | very bz(battle zone) related now, that was my goal |
| 04:39.49 | brlcad | "that sheela's a man!" |
| 04:39.55 | purple_cow | hehehe |
| 04:40.30 | Inferno_Pyrotech | talking about gay now? |
| 04:40.43 | Inferno_Pyrotech | really battle zone, this is so awesome |
| 04:40.57 | MeBigFatGuy | uso yup |
| 04:41.01 | Inferno_Pyrotech | troll? |
| 04:41.13 | JeffM2501 | that'd be you ski[ |
| 04:41.20 | bryjen | brlcad, YOU have the power |
| 04:41.28 | JeffM2501 | many of us do |
| 04:41.33 | bryjen | err, or at least you could have |
| 04:41.36 | JeffM2501 | I'd hope humanity had evilved a bit |
| 04:41.40 | uso | MeBigFatGuy: thanks |
| 04:41.54 | brlcad | bryjen: it's been twitching for a while now.. lingering over the +q |
| 04:42.05 | JeffM2501 | ohh just do it |
| 04:42.18 | JeffM2501 | hmm 4 mini's would fit in my wine cube |
| 04:42.30 | brlcad | JeffM2501: he's bound to shove his foot in his mouth directly soon enough |
| 04:42.32 | Inferno_Pyrotech | you guys are crazy over drinking, where does your future lie |
| 04:42.47 | JeffM2501 | we are the future |
| 04:42.49 | JeffM2501 | phear us |
| 04:42.55 | purple_cow | wine cube? |
| 04:42.59 | Inferno_Pyrotech | yeah roght |
| 04:43.01 | Inferno_Pyrotech | yeah righ |
| 04:43.06 | JeffM2501 | and i"m like wasted |
| 04:43.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah wine cube |
| 04:43.19 | bryjen | we were the future. the scary thought is that the munchkins are the next one... |
| 04:43.23 | Inferno_Pyrotech | a little fraction |
| 04:43.31 | MeBigFatGuy | that is scary |
| 04:43.34 | JeffM2501 | bryjen: not once I take over |
| 04:44.07 | Inferno_Pyrotech | the scary thought is avoiding the crazy men |
| 04:44.35 | JeffM2501 | you can run but you can't hide |
| 04:44.45 | Inferno_Pyrotech | who drink and go to parties at .............. |
| 04:45.14 | JeffM2501 | yes I imbibe a drink or 2 |
| 04:45.20 | JeffM2501 | the problem with that is? |
| 04:45.22 | Inferno_Pyrotech | you have no perseptive on true meaning to life, drunken and fallen as you are |
| 04:45.32 | JeffM2501 | fallen? |
| 04:45.35 | JeffM2501 | no I'm siting |
| 04:45.53 | JeffM2501 | the true meaning of life is 42 |
| 04:46.01 | Inferno_Pyrotech | you live in the physical world of pleasure and attention |
| 04:46.20 | bryjen | hello kettle |
| 04:46.20 | JeffM2501 | unlike your virtual world of trolling and attention? |
| 04:46.20 | Inferno_Pyrotech | but giving it to muchkins that deserve it :) |
| 04:46.33 | Inferno_Pyrotech | trolling ?? |
| 04:46.44 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 04:46.48 | Inferno_Pyrotech | dude I'm no original munchkin mind you |
| 04:47.00 | Inferno_Pyrotech | what Is TROlling !!?1 |
| 04:47.04 | JeffM2501 | no your an advanced modern form of munchkin |
| 04:47.06 | JeffM2501 | look it up |
| 04:47.09 | JeffM2501 | use the brain |
| 04:47.14 | Inferno_Pyrotech | modern, far from it dude |
| 04:47.16 | sgk284 | ~troll |
| 04:47.17 | ibot | methinks troll is a race on some muds; a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or ... |
| 04:47.29 | JeffM2501 | use the power that has been granted to you |
| 04:47.33 | JeffM2501 | wikipidia |
| 04:47.36 | JeffM2501 | is your friend |
| 04:47.58 | Inferno_Pyrotech | how old are you |
| 04:48.08 | JeffM2501 | 32 |
| 04:48.08 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I'm homeschooled and shy |
| 04:48.12 | Inferno_Pyrotech | 14 |
| 04:48.15 | JeffM2501 | Iknow |
| 04:48.19 | JeffM2501 | then ask your mom |
| 04:48.22 | Inferno_Pyrotech | yeah righ |
| 04:48.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah right what? |
| 04:48.39 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I'm smarter than my Mom |
| 04:48.47 | JeffM2501 | then how will she ever teach you anything? |
| 04:48.49 | Inferno_Pyrotech | She just is a median |
| 04:49.02 | brlcad | and you're just a tool? |
| 04:49.09 | bryjen | intelligence is not the posession of knowledge |
| 04:49.17 | JeffM2501 | apernatly she can't teach research skills or common sense |
| 04:49.32 | bryjen | ~spell posession |
| 04:49.34 | JeffM2501 | does your house still have those electrical socket covers? |
| 04:49.36 | Inferno_Pyrotech | did you know that you can walk to a bookstore and buy it and give it to your son(if you have one) and make them read it while you whip them |
| 04:50.09 | JeffM2501 | Inferno_Pyrotech: I perfer the more traditional approach of just teaching the kid how to learn. |
| 04:50.18 | Inferno_Pyrotech | position vs possessing ??? |
| 04:50.31 | Inferno_Pyrotech | I wouldn't get anywhere with my mom |
| 04:50.36 | Legoguy | [ NVIDIA GPU ] Core Temp: 90 C | Ambient Temp: 61 C |
| 04:50.37 | JeffM2501 | roll for initiatve |
| 04:50.44 | Legoguy | whew, see what bzflag does to my gfx card? |
| 04:50.48 | bryjen | i was short an s |
| 04:50.54 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy: yeah, it's USING it :) |
| 04:50.59 | Legoguy | :) |
| 04:51.05 | JeffM2501 | welcome to the 21st :) |
| 04:51.10 | Inferno_Pyrotech | dude, what is a preposition or a verb for that matter |
| 04:51.23 | Inferno_Pyrotech | tell me if you need something harder |
| 04:51.32 | JeffM2501 | a structure in english, if you had schooling you'd know that. |
| 04:51.37 | JeffM2501 | this isn't a test |
| 04:51.38 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o brlcad] by ChanServ |
| 04:51.45 | JeffM2501 | bada bing |
| 04:51.51 | *** mode/#bzflag [+q Inferno_Pyrotech!*@*] by brlcad |
| 04:51.53 | JeffM2501 | bye bye |
| 04:51.54 | brlcad | bada boom |
| 04:52.03 | brlcad | bets on how long he lingers? |
| 04:52.08 | JeffM2501 | 23 min |
| 04:52.14 | JeffM2501 | and 18 seconds |
| 04:52.19 | brlcad | i say 4 |
| 04:52.20 | JeffM2501 | and 2 PMs |
| 04:52.22 | bryjen | 5 tops |
| 04:52.29 | wegstar | what is the current version of SDL? |
| 04:52.39 | JeffM2501 | 1.2.8 IIRC |
| 04:52.39 | bryjen | ~SDL |
| 04:52.40 | ibot | rumour has it, sdl is Look at http://www.libsdl.org |
| 04:52.46 | wegstar | ok |
| 04:52.50 | JeffM2501 | maybe .9 for dev |
| 04:52.51 | bryjen | go fish |
| 04:52.56 | JeffM2501 | anything after .7 shoudl be fine tho |
| 04:53.12 | *** join/#bzflag gvdm (~gvdm@210-246-20-188.paradise.net.nz) |
| 04:53.37 | brlcad | Inferno_Pyrotech: shouldn't diss the mom, you're forever in her debt no matter how you slice it |
| 04:53.45 | brlcad | in fact, you should go give her a hug right now |
| 04:54.03 | JeffM2501 | you'll regret it later if you don't |
| 04:54.10 | brlcad | indeed |
| 04:54.35 | JeffM2501 | my mom's taking me and a lady friend to hawaii |
| 04:54.37 | brlcad | might as well be now while you're still a _kid_ and she can appreciate it |
| 04:54.52 | brlcad | JeffM2501: awesome |
| 04:55.28 | brlcad | when's that? |
| 04:55.40 | brlcad | woo hoo |
| 04:55.48 | JeffM2501 | panzy |
| 04:55.52 | brlcad | 1 2 3 4 ;) |
| 04:55.53 | bryjen | 3 mins |
| 04:56.09 | JeffM2501 | trolls in my day had more staying power |
| 04:56.09 | *** join/#bzflag return_of_the_de (~44bf9e36@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 04:56.12 | return_of_the_de | hi |
| 04:56.36 | *** mode/#bzflag [-q Inferno_Pyrotech!*@*] by brlcad |
| 04:56.37 | *** join/#bzflag LithiumBot (~ListServe@adsl-68-126-250-156.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 04:56.41 | LithiumBot | # repop |
| 04:56.50 | bryjen | ah, 4 from the +q |
| 04:57.11 | rtn_of_the_demig | hi everyone |
| 04:57.12 | brlcad | yep |
| 04:57.19 | JeffM2501 | if lith gets anoying let me know |
| 04:57.35 | rtn_of_the_demig | good, it's lith not Inferno |
| 04:57.43 | JeffM2501 | dude give it up |
| 04:57.46 | JeffM2501 | your IP is loged |
| 04:58.06 | rtn_of_the_demig | sry, why do you have to be so harsh |
| 04:58.17 | rtn_of_the_demig | and BTW what is my IP? |
| 04:58.18 | JeffM2501 | was just a statement |
| 04:58.32 | brlcad | rtn_of_the_demig: because you're not listening |
| 04:58.36 | brlcad | listen more, talk less |
| 04:58.44 | JeffM2501 | # getcallsign |
| 04:58.44 | rtn_of_the_demig | ok, I will |
| 04:58.45 | LithiumBot | JeffM2501, BabyCakes_9170 |
| 04:59.29 | DTRemenak | aww, no love :) |
| 04:59.30 | bryjen | your lady friend, JeffM2501 ? ;) |
| 04:59.32 | JeffM2501 | man this is so much easyer when you have a high level lib |
| 04:59.37 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 05:00.01 | JeffM2501 | umm it should suport a repply if you tell it about hug |
| 05:00.06 | wegstar | " cannot find -lcurldll ".. help |
| 05:00.08 | JeffM2501 | dono how much of stupidbot I removed |
| 05:00.24 | JeffM2501 | curldll what are you building with? |
| 05:00.26 | JeffM2501 | mingw? |
| 05:00.37 | wegstar | yes |
| 05:00.39 | rtn_of_the_demig | how many lady friends have you had, I listned first |
| 05:00.42 | JeffM2501 | I'm sorry |
| 05:00.55 | JeffM2501 | make sure it can find the libCurl library and DLL |
| 05:01.01 | JeffM2501 | it'll need it for the build |
| 05:01.24 | DTRemenak | wegstar: that's a bogus name anyway |
| 05:01.30 | DTRemenak | I'm betting you're using dev-c++? |
| 05:01.34 | wegstar | yes.. |
| 05:01.42 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 05:01.46 | JeffM2501 | then I'm DOUBLE sorry |
| 05:02.18 | DTRemenak | wegstar: it should be -lcurl if everything is "right" |
| 05:02.21 | JeffM2501 | why not get the VC2k5 express beta |
| 05:02.23 | *** mode/#bzflag [+q *!~44bf9e36@*] by brlcad |
| 05:03.08 | brlcad | rtn_of_the_demig: you were warned, come back tomorrow and you might be given your voice back |
| 05:03.27 | brlcad | don't bother beforehand |
| 05:03.42 | wegstar | there doesn't seem to be a non ssl libcurl for MingW... :( |
| 05:03.45 | blast007 | ~nslookup 68.191.158.54 |
| 05:04.02 | JeffM2501 | you may have to build it |
| 05:04.08 | DTRemenak | wegstar: probably have to build it |
| 05:04.08 | JeffM2501 | it seems they are JUST doing ssl builds now |
| 05:04.35 | *** join/#bzflag test (~44bf9e36@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 05:04.37 | DTRemenak | hopefully tupone will finish his stuff soon and it'll all be in the bzflag tree. make it easier for us windows people especially |
| 05:04.52 | JeffM2501 | what is he doing? |
| 05:04.59 | JeffM2501 | non curl implementation? |
| 05:05.06 | DTRemenak | ares |
| 05:05.14 | JeffM2501 | thats just for DNS right? |
| 05:05.16 | DTRemenak | most curl builds are non-ares |
| 05:05.22 | DTRemenak | and use blocking dns |
| 05:05.26 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 05:05.37 | JeffM2501 | well heck we use curl blocking |
| 05:05.41 | DTRemenak | so in order for everyone to use non-blocking dns, BOTH ares AND curl have to be in the tree, and configured right |
| 05:06.05 | DTRemenak | or else we have to go thru nasty build shenanigans |
| 05:06.48 | DTRemenak | hopefully curl's blocking-ness will be fixed soon too. maybe tupone will do it :) |
| 05:08.36 | *** join/#bzflag trepan (~trepan@trepan.user) |
| 05:09.14 | *** join/#bzflag BZ41 (~BZ41@adsl-68-126-250-156.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 05:09.14 | BZ41 | # getcallsign |
| 05:09.15 | LithiumBot | BZ41, CapitanPower_6964 |
| 05:09.16 | CapitanPower_696 | # client add |
| 05:09.24 | JeffM2501 | hmm names are too long |
| 05:10.04 | JeffM2501 | but at least it's working |
| 05:10.13 | JeffM2501 | I find it halarious when bots talk to each other |
| 05:10.22 | Theris | heh :) |
| 05:10.26 | sgk284 | make clean |
| 05:10.27 | sgk284 | ww |
| 05:11.38 | wegstar | easy to be done at #botparl :) |
| 05:11.45 | wegstar | #botpark |
| 05:11.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah tho this is bz specific |
| 05:12.03 | JeffM2501 | if it's anoying I can move it |
| 05:13.14 | wegstar | what's annoying?... the bot? |
| 05:13.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:13.34 | JeffM2501 | don't want to bug anyone while I test it |
| 05:13.40 | wegstar | :) |
| 05:13.43 | JeffM2501 | oh you were saying geting them to talk |
| 05:13.44 | JeffM2501 | I get it |
| 05:13.45 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 05:14.24 | *** join/#bzflag SomeServer (~SomeServe@adsl-68-126-250-156.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 05:14.24 | SomeServer | # server add |
| 05:14.33 | JeffM2501 | # query list |
| 05:14.34 | LithiumBot | server 1 name some_server |
| 05:14.34 | LithiumBot | server 1 url localhost:5155 |
| 05:14.34 | LithiumBot | server 1 game test |
| 05:14.34 | LithiumBot | server 1 description yet another server with no description |
| 05:14.34 | LithiumBot | server 1 vers |
| 05:14.40 | JeffM2501 | SomeServer: version |
| 05:14.44 | SomeServer | V.0.0.1.DEVELOPMENT.DEBUG "Lithium Flower" b.0001 |
| 05:14.58 | Theris | :) |
| 05:15.04 | JeffM2501 | # query count |
| 05:15.05 | LithiumBot | There are curently 0 servers |
| 05:15.31 | JeffM2501 | hmm vers is busted |
| 05:16.42 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (lan56@h-68-167-2-114.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 05:17.27 | creeperz | # help |
| 05:17.28 | LithiumBot | Current commands; addjoin addmaster allusers chaninfo channel channels chanperms client factoid factoidlist flush getcallsign hello help join kick libversion longtest part query quit raw server userinfo users |
| 05:17.40 | creeperz | what does lithiumbot do? |
| 05:17.52 | creeperz | # users |
| 05:17.54 | LithiumBot | creeperz this channel contains lithiumbot, rtn_of_the_demig, gvdm, jeffm2501, bryjen, wegstar, sgk284, Theris, aribeth, wizart, tegan, mebigfatguy, kyelewis`, brad2901, orchid, doughecka_, dtremenak, fuddl, sportchick, spldart, sommertimer3, crko, blast007_away, creeperz, jomojo, pimpinella, jbdigriz, grumbler, cods, brlcad, noodle-sensei, chanserv, uidzero, legoguy, guu, thumper_, |
| 05:17.54 | LithiumBot | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.56 | JeffM2501 | listservers |
| 05:18.00 | creeperz | ohh |
| 05:18.06 | JeffM2501 | and gives out callsigns |
| 05:18.09 | JeffM2501 | # getcallsign |
| 05:18.10 | LithiumBot | JeffM2501, Bob_5705 |
| 05:18.30 | creeperz | # getcallsign |
| 05:18.30 | LithiumBot | creeperz, Bob_3283 |
| 05:18.46 | DTRemenak | # factoid getcallsign |
| 05:18.47 | LithiumBot | huh? |
| 05:18.48 | creeperz | is it just bob_<random integer> ? |
| 05:18.54 | JeffM2501 | it's not a factoid |
| 05:18.57 | JeffM2501 | # getcallsign |
| 05:18.58 | LithiumBot | JeffM2501, Asshat_491 |
| 05:19.00 | JeffM2501 | no it's not |
| 05:19.01 | creeperz | # factoidlist |
| 05:19.01 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 05:19.02 | LithiumBot | Current factoids; listnick lobbychannel |
| 05:19.13 | JeffM2501 | it's not a "normal" bot |
| 05:19.17 | wegstar | hmm... user lists, callsigns... |
| 05:21.34 | JeffM2501 | LithiumBot: hugs is <respond> hugs %u |
| 05:21.56 | DTRemenak | #hugs LithiumBot |
| 05:22.02 | JeffM2501 | I may have younked the factoid handaling |
| 05:22.15 | JeffM2501 | # hugs LithiumBot |
| 05:22.16 | LithiumBot | hugs JeffM2501 |
| 05:22.25 | JeffM2501 | ehh it's poor at best |
| 05:22.28 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 05:22.34 | bryjen | picky on the ws |
| 05:22.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:22.47 | JeffM2501 | it's the default libIRC bot command handaler |
| 05:22.54 | JeffM2501 | I just made it as a sample |
| 05:23.05 | JeffM2501 | all the list server features are coded as there own commands |
| 05:23.25 | JeffM2501 | it realy should be redone with like a supybot |
| 05:23.38 | JeffM2501 | but this will work for testing |
| 05:26.14 | *** join/#bzflag SomeServer (~SomeServe@adsl-68-126-250-156.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 05:26.14 | SomeServer | # server add |
| 05:27.02 | JeffM2501 | # query list |
| 05:27.03 | LithiumBot | server 2 name some_server |
| 05:27.03 | LithiumBot | server 2 url localhost:5155 |
| 05:27.03 | LithiumBot | server 2 game test |
| 05:27.03 | LithiumBot | server 2 description yet another server with no description |
| 05:27.03 | LithiumBot | server 2 vers BZNG0001 |
| 05:27.08 | JeffM2501 | there we go |
| 05:27.19 | creeperz | ohhh |
| 05:27.23 | creeperz | pretty nifty |
| 05:27.29 | creeperz | JeffM2501: your creation? |
| 05:27.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:27.41 | JeffM2501 | hence all the commit messages |
| 05:27.50 | creeperz | havent noticed them |
| 05:28.20 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/platform/ (DXJoystick.cxx DXJoystick.h): Accept patch 1162213 from blast007: remember created rumble effects to avoid overfilling the device |
| 05:30.04 | *** join/#bzflag LithiumBot (~ListServe@adsl-68-126-250-156.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 05:30.09 | LithiumBot | # repop |
| 05:30.10 | *** join/#bzflag SomeServer (~SomeServe@adsl-68-126-250-156.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 05:30.11 | SomeServer | # server add |
| 05:30.21 | LithiumBot | Added server some_server to chan some_server_test |
| 05:30.30 | JeffM2501 | # query list |
| 05:30.31 | LithiumBot | server 1 name some_server |
| 05:30.31 | LithiumBot | server 1 url localhost:5155 |
| 05:30.31 | LithiumBot | server 1 game test |
| 05:30.31 | LithiumBot | server 1 description yet another server with no description |
| 05:30.31 | LithiumBot | server 1 vers BZNG0001 |
| 05:30.31 | LithiumBot | server 1 channel some_server_test |
| 05:32.12 | *** join/#bzflag SomeServer (~SomeServe@adsl-68-126-250-156.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 05:32.13 | SomeServer | # server add |
| 05:32.23 | LithiumBot | Added server some_server to chan some_server_test |
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| 05:35.06 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/common/StateDatabase.cxx: ws |
| 05:38.10 | sgk284 | there is a problem with CVS and i'm not sure quite where i should be looking |
| 05:38.25 | sgk284 | with a fresh copy of the tree I can't play bzflag |
| 05:38.29 | sgk284 | it cant find the list server |
| 05:38.42 | DTRemenak | sgk284: wfm |
| 05:38.45 | sgk284 | or any bzflag server for that matter even if i enter it manually |
| 05:38.47 | sgk284 | wfm? |
| 05:38.58 | DTRemenak | ~wtf wfm |
| 05:39.03 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 05:39.05 | DTRemenak | works for me |
| 05:39.10 | sgk284 | the thing is i tested curl from the cmd line and it works fine |
| 05:39.26 | sgk284 | then i ran a bzflag build from 02/03/05 and that works fine |
| 05:40.01 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, there is definitly a bug and it defintly doesnt affect everyone and i'm definitly confused because i wasnt expecting the febuary build to run:) |
| 05:40.16 | creeperz | wow |
| 05:40.17 | creeperz | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315224 |
| 05:40.18 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:40.39 | creeperz | thats JUST what microsoft wants too |
| 05:40.49 | sgk284 | i guess i could start pulling trees in a binarty search fashion but building them all will take a long time |
| 05:40.56 | sgk284 | i'll do it if it comes down to that |
| 05:41.10 | sgk284 | and running with -d -d -d -d didnt give anything too useful |
| 05:41.13 | DTRemenak | creeperz: I bet they get quite a few support calls asking about that |
| 05:41.20 | creeperz | lol |
| 05:41.35 | JeffM2501 | once your done with linux, how do you remove it? |
| 05:41.45 | JeffM2501 | once you realie it's more complex then you need. |
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| 05:42.16 | sgk284 | spoken like a person who hasnt used it all that much |
| 05:42.18 | sgk284 | ;) |
| 05:42.22 | DTRemenak | even after you remove the partition, lilo remains. so you need to get rid of that too |
| 05:42.29 | creeperz | yeah |
| 05:42.40 | creeperz | trying to get rid of it right now |
| 05:42.51 | creeperz | looking at some articles on how to remove it |
| 05:43.02 | DTRemenak | why are you trying to? |
| 05:43.11 | bryjen | installing windows should fixup the mbr |
| 05:43.12 | creeperz | i wiped linux off my system |
| 05:43.19 | sgk284 | creeperz... wait a second, your purposely trying to remove linux? |
| 05:43.20 | DTRemenak | creeperz: fdisk /mbr |
| 05:43.22 | creeperz | and i still have lilo |
| 05:43.32 | creeperz | sgk284: i HAVE removed linux |
| 05:43.39 | creeperz | and i need to remove lilo |
| 05:43.50 | DTRemenak | sgk284: it's not for everyone. it's about choice, people can choose not to use it |
| 05:43.53 | sgk284 | just recreate the mbr |
| 05:43.53 | creeperz | DTRemenak: i know... i just dont trust microsoft... |
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| 05:44.06 | DTRemenak | creeperz: do you trust me? |
| 05:44.12 | creeperz | ... |
| 05:44.16 | creeperz | sure :-P |
| 05:44.17 | wegstar | argh |
| 05:44.17 | sgk284 | DTRemenak, i understand, its just after seeing the alternatives i see no reason why someone would go back ;) |
| 05:44.22 | DTRemenak | heh :) put you in a tight spot there huh :) |
| 05:44.41 | sgk284 | someone technical that is* |
| 05:44.43 | DTRemenak | fdisk /mbr does work, as long as you've only got one bootable windows partition |
| 05:44.53 | creeperz | oh ok |
| 05:44.53 | creeperz | i do |
| 05:45.05 | sgk284 | wegstar, yea use fdisk or your recovery cd and do a repair |
| 05:45.17 | wegstar | ? |
| 05:45.18 | DTRemenak | sgk284: I still use windows almost half the time |
| 05:45.33 | wegstar | no I mean python --- "argh" |
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| 05:45.45 | wegstar | long story :) |
| 05:45.48 | DTRemenak | tell me when linux gets a stable ide that is as capable as visual c++ |
| 05:46.02 | DTRemenak | or when it can run rome: total war and freelancer |
| 05:46.09 | wegstar | KDevelop? |
| 05:46.14 | wegstar | :) |
| 05:46.16 | sgk284 | well if your developing in java, netbeans or eclipse are far supeior:) |
| 05:46.28 | DTRemenak | wegstar: and that doesn't require KDE :) |
| 05:46.29 | sgk284 | and eclipse has pretty great c++ support |
| 05:46.45 | DTRemenak | every time I touch eclipse it crashes |
| 05:46.51 | sgk284 | what? |
| 05:46.57 | sgk284 | i've never seen that happen |
| 05:47.02 | sgk284 | when did you last use it? |
| 05:47.05 | wegstar | sucks plenty of resources too... |
| 05:47.11 | DTRemenak | month or two ago |
| 05:47.18 | sgk284 | with a proper jvm? |
| 05:47.24 | DTRemenak | uh, yeah |
| 05:47.41 | sgk284 | heh i've discussed eclipse with alot of folks, never heard of that :/ |
| 05:47.44 | DTRemenak | netbeans is pretty good for java stuff |
| 05:47.56 | sgk284 | netbeans is really well designed imho |
| 05:48.03 | DTRemenak | not perfect, and I'm sure glad I have 512 mb of ram :) |
| 05:48.10 | sgk284 | good for everything from mobile phones to desktop and web applications |
| 05:48.19 | sgk284 | yea its a resource hog |
| 05:48.40 | DTRemenak | it supports most of the right features though, and doesn't crash. thus I use it when developing for java. |
| 05:48.51 | DTRemenak | in windows too, for that matter |
| 05:48.51 | sgk284 | 4.1 (its in beta) has greatly helped in the resources department |
| 05:48.56 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 05:49.37 | sgk284 | most of the places i applied to for my co-op require eclipse experience, its pretty popular in industry, i was shocked |
| 05:49.52 | sgk284 | at least 5 out of 12 companies would have had me devloping in eclipse |
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| 05:50.08 | DTRemenak | I've never tried to use eclipse for java |
| 05:50.22 | DTRemenak | maybe that's why it always crashes :S |
| 05:50.26 | sgk284 | heh |
| 05:50.48 | sgk284 | i only started using it when netbeans got too much for my ram:) but now i'm back to mainly netbeans, but use eclipse for some c++ dev |
| 05:51.01 | sgk284 | try to use vim as much as a i can... but mutliple files gets to be a pain |
| 05:51.17 | sgk284 | no need for autocompletion or anything like that |
| 05:51.26 | DTRemenak | c++ in linux for me is vim on three consoles and gcc and grep on the fourth |
| 05:51.29 | sgk284 | just highlight my syntax and match my brackets and i'll be happy:) |
| 05:53.00 | DTRemenak | kdevelop is pretty good for projects built around or using it. kde stuff, and qt stuff in more general...but I'm not a big fan of kde, so... |
| 05:53.29 | sgk284 | i dont like kdevelop at all :/ anjuta isnt too bad though and rumor has it a new release is coming |
| 05:53.43 | sgk284 | gui stuff for linux development in c++ is in dire need |
| 05:54.02 | DTRemenak | I've never been able to use anjunta without it crashing, either |
| 05:54.05 | DTRemenak | worse than eclipse :) |
| 05:54.14 | sgk284 | hehe yea anjuta isnt the most stable beast |
| 05:55.14 | sgk284 | eclipse is very close (if not already) to being able to be compiled with gcj... running it natively i think would be pretty interesting from a resource/speed poitn of view |
| 05:55.47 | sgk284 | gcj handles swt pretty well but not swing |
| 05:56.41 | sgk284 | err gjc for that matter:) |
| 05:56.51 | sgk284 | gnu java compiler |
| 05:57.07 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:57.12 | DTRemenak | gnu compiler for java? :) |
| 05:57.17 | sgk284 | err i was wrong its gcj... acronyms arent fun |
| 05:57.26 | sgk284 | hehe yea you caught me |
| 05:57.26 | wegstar | ha :) |
| 05:59.53 | sgk284 | while we are on the discussion of IDEs, am i missing something about MSVS? i've been forced to use it for a couple of projects and i dont really see why people claim dependence on it |
| 05:59.58 | sgk284 | maybe i just havent used it enough |
| 06:01.02 | sgk284 | i mean Borland's tools seem way better |
| 06:01.07 | DTRemenak | I find that it fits to the workflow. it doesn't get in the way |
| 06:01.31 | DTRemenak | I want the computer to do what I want it to do, not make me do useless junk to do it. |
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| 06:01.57 | DTRemenak | I haven't used any borland product since...before I installed windows 98 |
| 06:02.12 | creeperz | DTRemenak: its actually 'fixmbr' |
| 06:02.15 | sgk284 | heh |
| 06:02.24 | sgk284 | yea borland is a bit pricey |
| 06:02.24 | DTRemenak | creeperz: ah, you must be running xp |
| 06:02.28 | creeperz | yeah |
| 06:02.37 | DTRemenak | 2k and earlier use fdisk /mbr |
| 06:02.45 | creeperz | i see |
| 06:02.50 | DTRemenak | sorry, I'm not up on xp yet :) |
| 06:02.56 | sgk284 | if borland had lowered its prices to compete with MS, they probably could have held the market |
| 06:03.00 | DTRemenak | only use it at work, not here |
| 06:03.42 | DTRemenak | I chose borland's compiler over microsoft's for DOS stuff |
| 06:03.49 | DTRemenak | never used one since then though |
| 06:05.05 | DTRemenak | probably still have Borland Turbo C++ 3.0 around here somewhere |
| 06:05.15 | sgk284 | :) |
| 06:05.29 | DTRemenak | forty-two floppy disks :o |
| 06:05.29 | purple_cow | heh, Turbo C++ |
| 06:05.42 | purple_cow | it's been so long :) |
| 06:05.44 | DTRemenak | took up almost an entire hard drive on my 386 |
| 06:05.50 | wegstar | :) |
| 06:06.17 | DTRemenak | never used it for much though |
| 06:06.29 | JBdiGriz | DTRemenak: Let me guess, you have more ram in your current system, than hard drive on your 386? |
| 06:06.37 | DTRemenak | yuppers |
| 06:06.52 | DTRemenak | on that machine I had one 80, one 60 and two 52mb hard drives |
| 06:07.01 | DTRemenak | ~80+60+52+52 |
| 06:07.02 | ibot | 244 |
| 06:07.10 | DTRemenak | and I have 512mb of ram now :) |
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| 06:24.55 | creeperz | anyone know how to run chkdsk in fix mode? |
| 06:25.04 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.08 | creeperz | ah |
| 06:25.11 | creeperz | i was trying -f |
| 06:25.18 | DTRemenak | heh, using linux for too long eh? |
| 06:25.39 | creeperz | must be :-/ |
| 06:26.04 | uso | could be a bit more tolerant these windows proggies :) |
| 06:26.14 | creeperz | yes |
| 06:26.16 | creeperz | very |
| 06:26.20 | uso | is there a setting to switch off dynamic colors in bzflag? |
| 06:26.39 | creeperz | time to restart and fix my computer |
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| 06:55.49 | spldart | ping pong ping |
| 07:05.08 | spldart | This user is now known as asleep ;) |
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| 07:17.44 | uso | anybody here with admin on viper.pimpi.org? |
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| 08:41.11 | jpa_ | mornring |
| 08:42.09 | sgk284 | good night |
| 08:42.16 | sgk284 | :) |
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| 11:01.39 | ChickenBoy | Hi! |
| 11:02.07 | ChickenBoy | bzflag 2 has some more audio settings than bzflag 1 |
| 11:03.11 | ChickenBoy | But does "device" and "driver" mean? I'm using linux and if these fields are empty, the sound is really ugly |
| 11:03.39 | ChickenBoy | I'm using alsa with dmix, esound and arts at the same time |
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| 14:13.11 | jpa_ | hi braddie |
| 14:14.08 | brad2901 | hi jpa_ :) |
| 14:14.28 | jpa_ | ~braddie++ |
| 14:14.33 | brad2901 | yay] |
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| 14:14.40 | brad2901 | ~jpa_++ |
| 14:14.43 | ruskie | :)) |
| 14:14.53 | Birdie | ooh |
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| 15:23.08 | HostingGeek | purple_cow: your a bzflag devel o.0 |
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| 16:06.40 | HostingGeek | scanline: can we talk!? |
| 16:08.31 | ruskie | :)) |
| 16:10.39 | scanline | HostingGeek: what the hell could you possibly want to talk to me about? I'm grumpy! I eat people for breakfast! |
| 16:10.39 | HostingGeek | ruskie: are you in #xchat-gnome ? |
| 16:11.24 | HostingGeek | scanline: i am becoming the debian maintainor (and ubuntu) of xchat-gnome one of the requirment is for me to be able to contact the devels |
| 16:11.38 | brlcad | scanline: would you, could you, eat a waffle? |
| 16:11.53 | scanline | HostingGeek: well, good luck with that. I'm not a devel (sorry, thanks for playing) and all the devels hate you |
| 16:12.06 | HostingGeek | scanline: not purple_cow |
| 16:12.10 | scanline | brlcad: I would, I could, with some syrup |
| 16:12.30 | ruskie | HostingGeek, I use irssi |
| 16:12.47 | scanline | lookit all that optimism... HostingGeek thinks purple_cow doesn't hate him |
| 16:13.02 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:13.07 | scanline | now I doubt you'll win *any* friends going to every channel purple_cow is in and asking for him |
| 16:13.16 | HostingGeek | scanline: well there a few things i need to tell them... and i prefer to keep it out of #gnome-hackers |
| 16:13.22 | scanline | you'll just be even more of the same whiny bitch that keeps you from winning any friends in #xchat-gnome |
| 16:13.28 | scanline | so why don't you tell him in #xchat-gnome! |
| 16:13.30 | scanline | or email him! |
| 16:13.38 | scanline | instead of bothering his freaking roommate right after he wakes up! |
| 16:13.53 | HostingGeek | scanline: you (YOU) banned me for playing with CIA-10 |
| 16:14.02 | scanline | HostingGeek: so /msg him, or email him |
| 16:14.26 | HostingGeek | scanline: come on unban me i'll not play with CIA-10 any more |
| 16:14.40 | scanline | guh |
| 16:15.00 | brlcad | if you're banned, you'll certainly not play with cia-10 any more |
| 16:15.07 | ruskie | :)) |
| 16:15.08 | brlcad | so why would he bother? :) |
| 16:15.10 | scanline | if you really think you can be a mature enough developer to maintain a debian package, you can certainly learn to use email |
| 16:15.21 | HostingGeek | scanline: can we cont this convo in #xchat-gnome |
| 16:15.31 | HostingGeek | scanline: i know howto use email |
| 16:15.39 | scanline | this isn't a conversation, this is me having the crap annoyed out of me right after I got out of the shower |
| 16:15.56 | scanline | yay, stuff |
| 16:16.01 | brlcad | (soap, shower cap) |
| 16:16.09 | scanline | eep |
| 16:16.14 | scanline | I don't need any more soap |
| 16:16.17 | scanline | I need underwear :) |
| 16:16.20 | brlcad | eek |
| 16:16.24 | HostingGeek | scanline: but f you put your email in plain text on the website is already probbly mass spamed that even spam assassin doesn't filter all of them |
| 16:16.39 | scanline | why would my email go on the site? |
| 16:16.45 | ruskie | lol spam assassin is crap |
| 16:16.45 | scanline | I told you, I'm not an xchat-gnome developer |
| 16:16.57 | HostingGeek | scanline: purple_cow's email i mean |
| 16:17.05 | scanline | his email isn't on there? |
| 16:17.12 | HostingGeek | scanline: then why did you ban me |
| 16:17.15 | HostingGeek | scanline: it is |
| 16:17.23 | brlcad | purple_cow@purple.cow.com |
| 16:17.24 | HostingGeek | scanline: in plain text |
| 16:17.38 | scanline | I don't understand what you're complaining about.. his email is on there, use it |
| 16:17.55 | HostingGeek | scanline: i want to join #xchat-gnome |
| 16:18.07 | scanline | that's something I can't help you with |
| 16:18.25 | HostingGeek | scanline: your the one who banned me so sure you can |
| 16:18.39 | HostingGeek | scanline: i will not play with CIA-10's tummy any more |
| 16:18.58 | scanline | you didn't get banned just for playing with the bots, you got banned for playing with the bots over and over again and doing nothing but suggesting useless features for software you've never used, offering us crappy web hosting, and talking about your amazing linux distro that 3 people use |
| 16:19.02 | brlcad | just cia 1 through 9's |
| 16:19.21 | scanline | I'm not unbanning you. Use email, or /msg purple_cow directly |
| 16:19.43 | scanline | I recommend email, since you're less likely to come off as a total prick if you think about what you're saying before doing so |
| 16:20.30 | HostingGeek | scanline: but if you are not a devel who gives you the right to ban me? |
| 16:20.37 | scanline | chanserv |
| 16:20.43 | brlcad | HostingGeek: you got your answer, now I suggest you follow his recommendation and drop it now |
| 16:21.27 | brlcad | or annoy scanline with PMs and risk a k-line ban :) |
| 16:21.32 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:22.11 | HostingGeek | scanline: also maintain xchat-gnome for debian and ubuntu and debian based distro means i am LIKE a devel |
| 16:22.35 | brlcad | HostingGeek: last warning, drop it |
| 16:22.49 | HostingGeek | brlcad: /msg some doesn't get me a kline as the staffers just say use ignore |
| 16:23.09 | brlcad | so go ahead and risk it |
| 16:23.39 | brlcad | the fact that you even know/care is sad -- you should try to be less annoying |
| 16:23.58 | HostingGeek | brlcad: i belive he has already put me on ignore *now* because you told me to /msg him |
| 16:24.35 | scanline | I haven't /ignore'd you, I've been rummaging for shirts |
| 16:24.52 | brlcad | scanline: dude, underwear.. forget the shirt .. underwear |
| 16:24.56 | HostingGeek | brlcad: i am not annoying anyone besides #bzflag but i said to scanline for us to cont this else where..... |
| 16:25.04 | scanline | brlcad: already taken care of ;) |
| 16:25.24 | brlcad | freshly used? |
| 16:25.29 | scanline | HostingGeek: you didn't even want to talk to me, you wanted to talk to purple_cow... and I already told you, you need email or /msg |
| 16:25.44 | HostingGeek | scanline: i messaged you yesterday |
| 16:25.52 | HostingGeek | scanline: no answer from you.... |
| 16:26.03 | scanline | oddly enough, sometimes I'm not at my computer |
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| 16:26.11 | ruskie | :)) |
| 16:26.28 | HostingGeek | scanline: but you should still see it waiting there for you |
| 16:26.40 | HostingGeek | scanline: unless you closed in your list |
| 16:26.45 | scanline | I connect here from a bunch of different places, it's easy for a private message to get lost |
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| 16:27.39 | scanline | heh |
| 16:27.41 | HostingGeek | scanline: enough? or need more? |
| 16:28.09 | scanline | whatever. I'm going to go get some food then leave. I think the #bzflag admins can handle you ;) |
| 16:28.44 | HostingGeek | scanline: unignore me so i can msg you 'couse you didn't get my msgs from yesterday |
| 16:29.23 | brlcad | HostingGeek: call it a hunch, but I think he wants to be left alone right now -- you sent him something, he'll get to it eventually or not; plea your case to another channel op |
| 16:29.44 | scanline | I don't have any messages from you, and I don't have you on ignore |
| 16:29.54 | scanline | learn to use email, or learn to accept that /msg isn't the same as email |
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| 16:30.02 | brlcad | you're not coming across as one who's listening very well at all |
| 16:30.11 | HostingGeek | scanline: i don't have j00 email |
| 16:30.17 | HostingGeek | only purple_cow's |
| 16:30.20 | scanline | it's not hard to find, but you really don't need it |
| 16:30.44 | HostingGeek | scanline: Then REPLY my freaking /msg |
| 16:30.56 | scanline | heh.. like I said, I have no /msg from you |
| 16:31.08 | scanline | brlcad: I think you might be right, just a bit... |
| 16:31.27 | HostingGeek | scanline: so what did you do to it? |
| 16:31.36 | HostingGeek | closed it from your list? |
| 16:31.42 | scanline | I already told you, I use several IRC clients to connect here, with a proxy |
| 16:32.04 | scanline | if I'm connected in one place then reconnect from another, I won't necessarily get the /msg'es that were sent to the first place |
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| 16:32.18 | brlcad | good grief man |
| 16:32.21 | scanline | yeah |
| 16:32.23 | brlcad | he said send an e-mail |
| 16:32.31 | brlcad | and not to him |
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| 16:38.15 | brlcad | mm.. patience and tact |
| 16:38.25 | brlcad | where art thou?? |
| 16:39.16 | scanline | hehe |
| 16:39.21 | scanline | hm, I bet my bagel is done toasting |
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| 16:43.47 | scanline | wow |
| 16:43.49 | scanline | lots of snow |
| 16:46.43 | ruskie | :)) |
| 16:47.03 | scanline | =( |
| 16:47.22 | scanline | well |
| 16:47.24 | scanline | http://navi.cx/therm/source/outside/ |
| 16:47.41 | scanline | the way the weather's been lately, you have to wonder if this is the kind of snow that's a foot deep now but will be all melted by tomorrow morning |
| 16:48.34 | ruskie | :)) |
| 16:48.46 | ruskie | hmm neat weather data... how are you getting that? |
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| 16:49.23 | scanline | ruskie: a spiffy homemade system |
| 16:49.32 | ruskie | got any plans anywhere? |
| 16:49.32 | scanline | wireless :) |
| 16:49.33 | brlcad | scanline: cute |
| 16:49.50 | scanline | sure, I have plenty of plans.. but you mean about the temperature sensors? |
| 16:50.04 | ruskie | yup |
| 16:50.10 | ruskie | <-- would like those |
| 16:50.17 | scanline | oh, you mean like schematics |
| 16:50.27 | scanline | I don't think I drew up any since they're so simple |
| 16:50.27 | ruskie | yup |
| 16:50.32 | scanline | but all the source code is in my svn repository |
| 16:50.51 | scanline | the sensors are 8-pin PIC microcontrollers, with either Microchip TC74 or Dallas DS18B20 (or similar) sensor chips |
| 16:51.10 | ruskie | how many of thos do you have? |
| 16:51.11 | scanline | I'm using these off-the-shelf 315MHz AM transmitters and receivers that go for about $7 each |
| 16:51.18 | scanline | http://navi.cx/therm/ |
| 16:51.27 | scanline | 8 wireless sensors, plus the one built into the base station |
| 16:51.37 | scanline | http://navi.cx/images/hardware/therm/ |
| 16:51.43 | ruskie | whoaaa |
| 16:52.00 | scanline | that base station is a TUSB3410 microcontroller, TC74 temperature sensor, and a MAX7300 I/O chip controlling a few white LEDs |
| 16:52.23 | scanline | we have it connected to an NSLU2 (nice ARM linux box) that runs a daemon to receive the temperature packets, decode them, and send them to a MySQL database on navi |
| 16:52.32 | scanline | then there's a mod_python application that runs the web frontend off the database |
| 16:52.51 | scanline | most of the wireless sensors are built into altoids boxes |
| 16:53.03 | scanline | the outdoor one is fully enclosed in about a foot of PVC pipe |
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| 16:53.18 | ruskie | it looks neat... |
| 16:53.21 | scanline | 'tis |
| 16:53.26 | scanline | and pretty cheap too |
| 16:53.35 | scanline | almost all the parts were free samples or just junk I had laying around |
| 16:53.50 | ruskie | what's the range of those??? |
| 16:54.02 | scanline | haven't tested the range, but they make it through our 2-story apartment building just fine |
| 16:54.28 | scanline | it has a rather neat encoding scheme that lets us get a measure of signal strength on the receiver |
| 16:54.38 | scanline | so if you click the 'show details' link on any signal, you can get some nice RF and battery info |
| 16:54.44 | scanline | I've been really impressed with the battery life |
| 16:54.59 | scanline | so far they're all running on their original battery, and it's been about 2.5 months since I put all that stuff together |
| 16:56.37 | ruskie | <-- would like to get some such system around here... |
| 16:56.57 | scanline | they're pretty easy to build |
| 16:57.06 | scanline | now that I've done the hard work of writing the software ;) |
| 16:57.16 | scanline | the most esoteric thing you'll need is a PIC programmer |
| 16:57.33 | ruskie | not really friend of mine's uncle has that :)) |
| 16:57.39 | scanline | cool |
| 16:57.54 | scanline | and the base station's TUSB3410 microcontroller is actually a modified Keyspan USA-19HS usb-serial dongle |
| 16:58.06 | ruskie | though I could really use the plans for it all :)) |
| 16:58.08 | scanline | so it doesn't take any surface mount soldering aside from adding a couple wires to that board |
| 16:58.15 | scanline | http://navi.cx/svn/misc/trunk/therm/ |
| 16:58.17 | ruskie | makes it much easier to make... than to figure out by one self... |
| 16:58.18 | scanline | that's the svn repository |
| 16:58.21 | scanline | all the code is in there |
| 16:58.27 | scanline | but I never drew up complete schematics |
| 16:58.38 | ruskie | semi-complete? |
| 16:58.41 | scanline | there's a good description of the transmitter circuit in its source code |
| 16:58.49 | scanline | it's disgustingly simple |
| 16:59.04 | scanline | bug me when I have free time (ha!) and I'll draw schematics ;) |
| 17:00.12 | scanline | there's really just a microcontroller, two resistors used for the battery voltage sensor, a pull-up resistor for I2C/1-wire, and a voltage regulator |
| 17:00.23 | scanline | it's important to get a very low power LDO regulator |
| 17:00.25 | scanline | for battery life |
| 17:00.51 | scanline | with a good regulator, this thing's current consumption averages out to be maybe 20uA |
| 17:01.06 | ruskie | sweet |
| 17:01.08 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 17:01.15 | jpa_ | haven't seen scanline before |
| 17:01.21 | scanline | I usually just lurk here |
| 17:01.22 | ruskie | good thing I have logs stored for a looong time :)) |
| 17:01.26 | scanline | I'm one of purple_cow's roommates |
| 17:01.45 | jpa_ | probably so narrow that he is difficult to see :) |
| 17:02.22 | scanline | http://navi.cx/images/screenshots/therm-applet.jpeg |
| 17:02.23 | scanline | =) |
| 17:02.26 | scanline | that's my favorite part |
| 17:02.52 | scanline | the server provides a really easy HTTP interface to get the latest data and to get graphs |
| 17:02.58 | scanline | so I put together a tiny gnome applet for it |
| 17:03.18 | ruskie | :)) |
| 17:03.38 | jpa_ | nice :) |
| 17:04.07 | ruskie | though I really don't have a clue why I would need stuff like this it can come in usefull... |
| 17:04.13 | jpa_ | http://warri1.dyndns.org/lampotila/kuva.php?sensor0=0-AVERAGE-1&bg=f0f0f0-7200-3600-0 |
| 17:04.18 | jpa_ | while mine is nice also :) |
| 17:04.37 | Pimpi | anybody ever seen this error ?: |
| 17:04.43 | Pimpi | marco@linux:~$ bzflag |
| 17:04.43 | Pimpi | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for |
| 17:04.43 | Pimpi | operation) |
| 17:04.43 | Pimpi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.43 | Pimpi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.44 | scanline | jpa_: what kind of sensor do you have? |
| 17:04.44 | Pimpi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.46 | Pimpi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.48 | Pimpi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.52 | jpa_ | scanline: ds18s20 |
| 17:05.06 | jpa_ | scanline: mostly, ds2438 for humidity |
| 17:05.19 | scanline | jpa_: mm, we need to get humidity and pressure sensors too :) |
| 17:05.22 | scanline | what kind of interface? |
| 17:05.23 | jpa_ | (not all stuff is shown in that graph :) |
| 17:05.30 | jpa_ | ds2480b in serial port |
| 17:05.37 | scanline | cute |
| 17:05.39 | ruskie | <-- would like a full humidity+temp+pres sensor for every room in here... |
| 17:05.39 | jpa_ | and owfs.sf.net controlling |
| 17:05.43 | scanline | nod |
| 17:05.54 | ruskie | 8 rooms all in all |
| 17:05.57 | scanline | ruskie: that's the kind of thinking that got this silly project started ;) |
| 17:06.18 | scanline | we've had wired temperature sensors for a long time.. about a year |
| 17:06.27 | scanline | a bunch of TC74s connected to a USB device of mine |
| 17:06.33 | jpa_ | i have been thinking of buying CO sensors for sleeping rooms |
| 17:06.42 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 17:06.45 | scanline | but when moving navi to the basement, we didn't want to do all that wiring again.. hence this wireless system |
| 17:07.01 | scanline | yay for cheap 315MHz ASK transmitters |
| 17:07.06 | ruskie | well for me most of such ideas start and stop with plans... |
| 17:07.12 | ruskie | then it basicaly ends there... |
| 17:07.21 | jpa_ | how far do they work? |
| 17:07.29 | ruskie | either I have no time or money or both or am just to lazy to do it... |
| 17:07.35 | scanline | lemme see what the data sheet quotes.. I haven't tested the range myself |
| 17:07.45 | ruskie | still need to remake my old IR remote controler on com port I had... |
| 17:08.08 | jpa_ | i couldn't get 1wire to work past 150meters, would need temperature monitoring from like 200meters away |
| 17:08.27 | jpa_ | ruskie: check out lirc |
| 17:08.28 | scanline | you can use 1-wire hubs to extend the range |
| 17:08.39 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 17:08.45 | ruskie | jpa_, I have the plans and everyting just need to get to buy all the pieces... :)) |
| 17:08.47 | jpa_ | do they really extend the range? |
| 17:09.04 | jpa_ | i thought they just switched different branches |
| 17:09.12 | scanline | I think so. haven't used 1-wire over more than a couple feet myself |
| 17:09.23 | scanline | ok.. looks like they claim these modules get 500 ft range |
| 17:09.35 | jpa_ | i have one of them directly after ds2480b, to switch one wire going the other way and one to the other |
| 17:09.36 | ruskie | what specificaly is 1-wire? |
| 17:09.38 | scanline | but then, they also claim 2400bps which is really tricky to get in practice |
| 17:10.04 | jpa_ | ruskie: maxim's interface, needs only 1 wire and ground (takes power from data bus) |
| 17:10.23 | scanline | http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cart=199632&cat=62& |
| 17:10.27 | scanline | it's the "Simple RF Link" on that page |
| 17:10.38 | scanline | $5.95 for the 315 MHz transmitter |
| 17:10.42 | jpa_ | :) |
| 17:11.48 | scanline | designing a protocol for those things can be a bit tricky, since they're really sensitive to DC bias and they can behave quite a bit differently when operating over a few feet or across the apartment |
| 17:11.59 | scanline | but that's "a small matter of software" |
| 17:12.12 | ruskie | rotfl portable rotary phone... |
| 17:12.13 | ruskie | I want |
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| 17:13.24 | scanline | ok.. I should really be leaving now ;) |
| 17:14.08 | ruskie | bye then... |
| 17:15.29 | *** join/#bzflag AA|goliath2901 (~u5651017@69.106.133.125) |
| 17:15.38 | jpa_ | eww |
| 17:15.42 | jpa_ | he ate brad! |
| 17:16.27 | AA|goliath2901 | im on #bzflag on a diff game that has chat |
| 17:16.41 | *** part/#bzflag AA|goliath2901 (~u5651017@69.106.133.125) |
| 17:17.48 | jpa_ | ok :D |
| 17:18.30 | ruskie | ? |
| 17:19.06 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACD5A270.ipt.aol.com) |
| 17:22.08 | jpa_ | hi braddie |
| 17:22.17 | jpa_ | you didn't die |
| 17:22.29 | jpa_ | even though goliath obviously ate you |
| 17:23.32 | brad2901 | huh? |
| 17:23.37 | brad2901 | goliath? |
| 17:23.56 | brad2901 | I didn't die, I got k-lined |
| 17:24.19 | jpa_ | 19:15:31 -!- AA|goliath2901 [~u5651017@69.106.133.125] has joined #bzflag |
| 17:24.44 | brad2901 | oh |
| 17:25.11 | brad2901 | yeah, some people think it's a lucky number |
| 17:25.19 | brad2901 | or something like that |
| 17:26.02 | jpa_ | yup |
| 17:26.18 | jpa_ | while i know that it is just your age and the year you started playing |
| 17:27.09 | brad2901 | no, birthday :) |
| 17:27.22 | brad2901 | 29th january |
| 17:27.58 | jpa_ | :) |
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| 17:40.01 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
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| 18:00.35 | ReD-BuLL | nqkoi oper ili admin da ima tuka |
| 18:00.35 | ReD-BuLL | ? |
| 18:00.42 | ruskie | ? |
| 18:01.01 | ruskie | hmmm bulgarian... |
| 18:01.23 | ReD-BuLL | ReD-BuLL |
| 18:01.27 | ReD-BuLL | ruskie |
| 18:01.37 | ReD-BuLL | moje li da se napravi sarvar |
| 18:02.23 | Pimpi | ReD-BuLL: try english, i fear nobody here understand your language |
| 18:02.25 | JeffM2501 | the language here is usualy english |
| 18:02.41 | Pimpi | oh, JeffM2501 :) |
| 18:02.49 | Pimpi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.49 | Pimpi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.00 | Pimpi | any idea whats going wrong there? |
| 18:03.07 | JeffM2501 | sucky drivers |
| 18:03.25 | Pimpi | nvidia |
| 18:03.38 | JeffM2501 | we asked X to change modes |
| 18:03.40 | JeffM2501 | it crashed |
| 18:04.41 | Pimpi | the poster said other openGL applications worked fine, so can it be bz specific? |
| 18:05.13 | JeffM2501 | other aps may ask for difrent modes |
| 18:05.19 | Pimpi | ic |
| 18:05.33 | Pimpi | can i adjust the mode bz asks for? |
| 18:05.39 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 18:05.48 | JeffM2501 | the res in the config |
| 18:06.10 | Pimpi | k, ty |
| 18:06.16 | JeffM2501 | or try runing windowed |
| 18:06.58 | JeffM2501 | what version of the nvidias are they? |
| 18:07.30 | Pimpi | not sure, debian default (sid) i think |
| 18:07.42 | JeffM2501 | then those arn't nvidia |
| 18:07.48 | JeffM2501 | those are nv |
| 18:08.28 | JeffM2501 | debian does not ship with the drivers from www.nvidia.com |
| 18:08.37 | JeffM2501 | the default ones do not do hardware openGL |
| 18:09.09 | Pimpi | no, there's a package, that helps you downloading and building the nvidia stuff |
| 18:09.13 | Pimpi | thats what i mean |
| 18:09.28 | JeffM2501 | what version did it doe? |
| 18:09.41 | *** join/#bzflag bz0304 (~ac819186@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:09.56 | bz0304 | 205.188.116.133:5154 |
| 18:09.59 | Pimpi | not sure, i'm trying to help a poster on debian-user-german |
| 18:10.16 | Pimpi | and he didn't post |
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| 18:10.26 | JeffM2501 | basicly try runing in a window, if that works then the res is probably wong |
| 18:10.32 | Pimpi | i asked for details though |
| 18:10.33 | JeffM2501 | have em try a lower/difrent res |
| 18:10.42 | Pimpi | k |
| 18:10.43 | JeffM2501 | and allways verify current drivers |
| 18:10.51 | JeffM2501 | that gets 90% of em |
| 18:11.13 | Pimpi | set resolution "1152x864 " |
| 18:11.18 | Pimpi | is it this one` |
| 18:11.21 | Pimpi | ? |
| 18:11.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah thats the res |
| 18:11.39 | bz0304 | <TimRiker> 205.188.116.133:5154 |
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| 18:11.57 | JeffM2501 | bz0304, what are you trying to do? |
| 18:13.00 | spldart | Can somebody point me to a good tutorial to help me assign some 'police' for my server. I don't want to have them have to much power.... Less than me. |
| 18:13.18 | JeffM2501 | usualy it's kick, ban, and flag reset |
| 18:13.27 | JeffM2501 | that lets them do most things |
| 18:14.23 | spldart | I just need help setting it up... How to allow them only that much power and stuff. I don't want them to be able to /set |
| 18:14.36 | JeffM2501 | ok make a group |
| 18:14.39 | JeffM2501 | call it admin |
| 18:14.47 | JeffM2501 | give them just those perms |
| 18:14.54 | JeffM2501 | then add the users you want to that group |
| 18:15.04 | spldart | uh oh... This requires the -userdb doesn't it? |
| 18:15.11 | spldart | I was never able to make that work :( |
| 18:15.15 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:15.23 | JeffM2501 | you can do it with a global group |
| 18:15.25 | JeffM2501 | if you want |
| 18:15.29 | JeffM2501 | all you need is a groupdb |
| 18:15.50 | spldart | Although I think wegstar gave me a recomplie bzfs for windows |
| 18:16.28 | spldart | Thanks. Imma look up tutorials on groupdb and permissions |
| 18:16.41 | JeffM2501 | does global auth work for you? |
| 18:17.34 | spldart | Let me check. I think it says global login but then it through up a mysterious /identify again. |
| 18:19.01 | spldart | Ok. Yes. I get a global login approved message |
| 18:19.35 | spldart | Then I have to type in my /password <password set in .conf> to become admin |
| 18:19.44 | spldart | Because I can't get it to do groups and stuff |
| 18:19.50 | JeffM2501 | that is because you have no groups |
| 18:20.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah add -groupdb and a groups file |
| 18:20.21 | JeffM2501 | then ask for some bzbb groups |
| 18:24.24 | spldart | I was working on that very thing the other day but was unable to get it to work. Can you point me to a tutorial. Something that will lead me by the hand :( |
| 18:25.11 | spldart | I don't want to bother you guys alot with the silly questions. |
| 18:25.26 | spldart | I imagine I'm just missing something stupid and can't find it. |
| 18:29.23 | JeffM2501 | I don't think there is a tutorial |
| 18:29.29 | JeffM2501 | since it's prety easy |
| 18:29.46 | JeffM2501 | there is a sample groups file in the misc dir of the source distor |
| 18:29.53 | JeffM2501 | and an explenation of the perms in the manpage |
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| 18:41.49 | spldart | I'm looking through the manpage now. This may take me a bit to figure out :( |
| 18:44.36 | jpa_ | hi Legochick |
| 18:49.35 | *** join/#bzflag bzservhost-wanab (~4614ac44@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 18:50.22 | bzservhost-wanab | Hello everyone |
| 18:50.25 | bzservhost-wanab | How are you all today? |
| 18:52.11 | *** join/#bzflag kyelewis[2] (~kyelewis@kyelewis.user) |
| 18:52.40 | bzservhost-wanab | anyone here? |
| 18:52.59 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:53.17 | Grumbler | there is always somebody here |
| 18:53.27 | bzservhost-wanab | Hello Jeff =) Hello Grumbler =) |
| 18:53.31 | bzservhost-wanab | Do either of you run servers? |
| 18:53.49 | Grumbler | from time to time |
| 18:54.30 | bzservhost-wanab | what do you use? |
| 18:54.41 | bzservhost-wanab | Like.. OS wise and system/connection wise |
| 18:56.08 | spldart | 98se on dedicated machine with 500mhz processor and cable modem. |
| 18:56.13 | ruskie | http://www.nero.com/de/NeroLINUX_Gallery.html <-- be scared be really really scared |
| 18:56.39 | JeffM2501 | ewww 98 |
| 18:56.43 | spldart | hehehe |
| 18:56.49 | bzservhost-wanab | 98? |
| 18:56.50 | bzservhost-wanab | really? |
| 18:56.58 | JeffM2501 | most server ops run linux |
| 18:57.05 | JeffM2501 | the rest I know run XP |
| 18:57.35 | spldart | It was already in place. I never surf on it. It runs Abyss Personal Web Server and Kerio Winrout Pro and is on all the time anyway. |
| 18:57.51 | spldart | All the rest of the machines in my LAN run XP Pro |
| 18:58.00 | spldart | Where security is necessary |
| 18:58.03 | bzservhost-wanab | i see |
| 18:58.34 | bzservhost-wanab | I'm going to build a linux box.. 2600 athlon or 1700 on fedorz 3 core |
| 18:58.45 | bzservhost-wanab | DSL |
| 18:58.58 | bzservhost-wanab | fedorz=fedora |
| 18:59.04 | spldart | Is it as easy to set up a bzfs server on linux as windoze? |
| 18:59.06 | JeffM2501 | bzfs dost use too much CPU |
| 18:59.11 | JeffM2501 | it's the same |
| 18:59.14 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 18:59.15 | spldart | ic |
| 18:59.32 | bzservhost-wanab | I know. |
| 18:59.32 | spldart | I can attest to the low cpu usage. Very low |
| 18:59.36 | bzservhost-wanab | But, to tell the truth, I don't have anything else lying around/. |
| 18:59.51 | bzservhost-wanab | Heh, I have fast spare parts.. don't feel like buying old ones. |
| 19:00.25 | bzservhost-wanab | And I know the bzflag doens't take many resources.. that;s why I'm running it with dsl. |
| 19:00.28 | spldart | I've been using the same server for 5 years. From 56K to ISDN 128 to Cable. More than fast enough still :eek: |
| 19:00.58 | bzservhost-wanab | heh wow, a veterin =) |
| 19:01.02 | bzservhost-wanab | I'm a.. newb I guess |
| 19:01.07 | spldart | not veterin bzflag |
| 19:01.15 | spldart | just a veteran server for the lan |
| 19:01.16 | spldart | heheh |
| 19:01.25 | bzservhost-wanab | Ah heh, I see |
| 19:01.31 | spldart | Sorting packets takes very little processor overhead |
| 19:01.51 | bzservhost-wanab | Well, how many people do you guys think a dsl could handle.. not using the whole upload speed. |
| 19:01.55 | bzservhost-wanab | ? |
| 19:02.02 | spldart | what is your upload speed? |
| 19:02.13 | bzservhost-wanab | dsl reports says 76kbs |
| 19:02.15 | spldart | I vary from 256 to 356 |
| 19:02.21 | spldart | Ooooh |
| 19:02.25 | JeffM2501 | tht's prety good |
| 19:02.27 | spldart | That's a tad slow |
| 19:02.29 | bzservhost-wanab | Yeah, not that much |
| 19:02.39 | JeffM2501 | you'll get 8-10 |
| 19:02.41 | bzservhost-wanab | anywhere else I can check? |
| 19:02.48 | spldart | They recently increased bandwidth for all roadrunner customers in my area |
| 19:02.58 | bzservhost-wanab | 8-10 dedicated? |
| 19:02.59 | spldart | So I increased from 5 to 8 users total on my map |
| 19:03.02 | bzservhost-wanab | ah, lucky. |
| 19:03.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah if the shotcount is sane |
| 19:03.12 | JeffM2501 | how many shots? |
| 19:03.21 | bzservhost-wanab | 5 |
| 19:03.24 | spldart | me? 5 |
| 19:03.26 | JeffM2501 | bit high |
| 19:03.31 | bzservhost-wanab | erm |
| 19:03.32 | bzservhost-wanab | 3 |
| 19:03.40 | JeffM2501 | all you can do is try |
| 19:03.46 | bzservhost-wanab | true |
| 19:03.46 | Grumbler | yep |
| 19:03.46 | JeffM2501 | but you'll get over 5 players |
| 19:03.53 | Grumbler | yep |
| 19:04.01 | spldart | as long as there isn't other heavy traffic |
| 19:04.09 | bzservhost-wanab | ok |
| 19:04.16 | spldart | my wife was downloading musica the other day and I kept lagging :( |
| 19:04.33 | bzservhost-wanab | heh |
| 19:04.40 | Grumbler | !lart the wife |
| 19:04.56 | spldart | eek |
| 19:05.06 | bzservhost-wanab | hmm |
| 19:05.10 | *** join/#bzflag mike25 (~Guest@user-10lff0l.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 19:05.15 | bzservhost-wanab | let me try a speed test again |
| 19:05.24 | bzservhost-wanab | while not doing anything else |
| 19:05.35 | mike25 | anyone make teleporters with bzedit? im having some issues |
| 19:05.47 | bzservhost-wanab | http://nyc.speakeasy.net/ |
| 19:05.50 | JeffM2501 | teleporters |
| 19:05.53 | JeffM2501 | or links? |
| 19:06.03 | mike25 | well, both i guess |
| 19:06.10 | mike25 | i cant seem to make any that work |
| 19:06.35 | mike25 | i make them, and the tank doesnt go through them |
| 19:06.36 | JeffM2501 | teleporters are just objects |
| 19:06.42 | JeffM2501 | are you making a link? |
| 19:06.49 | mike25 | it stopsright infront |
| 19:06.50 | JeffM2501 | that goes between 2 sides of 2 porters? |
| 19:06.51 | mike25 | yes i am |
| 19:07.03 | mike25 | both sides? |
| 19:07.04 | JeffM2501 | then your TP is off the ground, or too narrow |
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| 19:07.46 | bz9175 | heh |
| 19:07.48 | bz9175 | oo |
| 19:07.50 | bz9175 | oops |
| 19:07.53 | mike25 | its not off the ground, but whats funny is if im in the air (jumping) i can go through it |
| 19:08.02 | mike25 | does it need to be into the ground? |
| 19:08.11 | bzservhost-wanab | I'm back |
| 19:08.15 | JeffM2501 | it should be at 0 |
| 19:08.15 | bzservhost-wanab | I've got 123 up |
| 19:08.17 | bzservhost-wanab | heh |
| 19:08.27 | bzservhost-wanab | when not running anything else |
| 19:09.08 | mike25 | it is at 0 |
| 19:09.16 | mike25 | what were you saying about both sides? |
| 19:09.35 | JeffM2501 | a telepoters has 2 sides right? |
| 19:09.44 | mike25 | right, do you have to link both sides? |
| 19:09.47 | JeffM2501 | each side links to one side on another telepoter |
| 19:09.49 | JeffM2501 | you should yeah |
| 19:10.07 | mike25 | so each tele-tele should have two links |
| 19:10.09 | bzservhost-wanab | Hey Jeff, what about with a 123 upload speed |
| 19:10.18 | bzservhost-wanab | How do you think that'd do |
| 19:10.31 | mike25 | do you need another two to go in the other direction? |
| 19:10.32 | JeffM2501 | oh 128 |
| 19:11.22 | JeffM2501 | if your problem is going thru then it's a Z or width problem |
| 19:12.20 | JeffM2501 | 128 won't get you more then 3 or 4 |
| 19:12.46 | mike25 | but ive checked them both, i have the width 5, length .125, and z-position is at zero |
| 19:12.50 | bzservhost-wanab | no no, 123 upload speed |
| 19:12.56 | bzservhost-wanab | as in from broadband reports |
| 19:13.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's 128 rated |
| 19:13.25 | JeffM2501 | mike25, is it on top of a box? |
| 19:13.32 | JeffM2501 | or anything else intersecting it? |
| 19:13.47 | bzservhost-wanab | er.. then why could i get 5 with 76? |
| 19:13.55 | mike25 | no, on top of the ground. but theres a box above it, would that affect? |
| 19:14.04 | JeffM2501 | it could |
| 19:14.36 | JeffM2501 | no you said you were 768 |
| 19:14.39 | JeffM2501 | not 76 |
| 19:14.46 | JeffM2501 | 768 is prety good |
| 19:14.49 | JeffM2501 | 128 isn't |
| 19:14.58 | bzservhost-wanab | huh.. |
| 19:14.58 | bzservhost-wanab | i did? |
| 19:14.59 | bzservhost-wanab | odd' |
| 19:15.00 | JeffM2501 | 56 is a bout 1 dialup |
| 19:15.07 | JeffM2501 | well I thought you did |
| 19:15.12 | JeffM2501 | that may not be what REALY happend :) |
| 19:15.19 | bzservhost-wanab | heh |
| 19:15.21 | bzservhost-wanab | well |
| 19:15.24 | bzservhost-wanab | either way |
| 19:15.29 | bzservhost-wanab | running DSL i got 1251 / 123 |
| 19:15.32 | bzservhost-wanab | d/u |
| 19:15.36 | bzservhost-wanab | so bah |
| 19:15.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah standard 1.5meg 128 up |
| 19:15.47 | JeffM2501 | that's normal low end dsl |
| 19:15.57 | bzservhost-wanab | heh |
| 19:16.01 | JeffM2501 | I'm at 3 megs down 608 up |
| 19:16.17 | bzservhost-wanab | ah wow |
| 19:16.24 | spldart | WOW |
| 19:17.31 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (~ts@pD9563A78.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:18.04 | bzservhost-wanab | hmm.. i could have sworn i read at some forum that each player takes up about 5kb a second |
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| 19:18.29 | JeffM2501 | that's big K not little K |
| 19:18.35 | JeffM2501 | take the numbers from the report |
| 19:18.38 | JeffM2501 | and divide by 8 |
| 19:18.50 | mike25 | how many people can you get on a 350-up jeff? |
| 19:19.05 | JeffM2501 | 4-5 probalby |
| 19:19.11 | JeffM2501 | maybe more |
| 19:19.16 | JeffM2501 | depends on shot count |
| 19:19.24 | bzservhost-wanab | 15.375 i got. |
| 19:19.45 | mike25 | what happens if two many are let in? will the server start kicking? |
| 19:20.04 | spldart | So 8 might be a bit much when inet traffic peaks and I drop to only 256 up. |
| 19:20.21 | spldart | If the server is set to kick from to much lag |
| 19:20.34 | JeffM2501 | that would probably be pushing it |
| 19:20.43 | spldart | otherwise it just gets real jumpy laggy |
| 19:20.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah you would flood your pipe |
| 19:21.32 | spldart | I might drop back down to 6 or so.... Observers don't pull as much bandwidth do they? They aren't shooting and moving indendent. |
| 19:21.56 | jpa_ | well, no |
| 19:22.00 | JeffM2501 | they don't generate more, but they pull more |
| 19:22.01 | jpa_ | but they take upstream too |
| 19:22.06 | JeffM2501 | they need all those players sent to them |
| 19:22.21 | jpa_ | but does bzadmin take up bandwidth |
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| 19:22.27 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 19:22.38 | JeffM2501 | all things that send and receve data take bandwith |
| 19:22.49 | JeffM2501 | it just never sends data |
| 19:22.55 | JeffM2501 | but it gets the player positoins |
| 19:22.58 | JeffM2501 | just dosn't use them |
| 19:23.01 | jpa_ | evil :(( |
| 19:23.04 | JeffM2501 | bzfs sends a lot more data then it gets |
| 19:23.05 | jpa_ | now you tell it |
| 19:23.07 | JeffM2501 | it's a client |
| 19:23.12 | JeffM2501 | it's not "special" |
| 19:23.16 | jpa_ | it should be |
| 19:23.29 | JeffM2501 | so should lots of things |
| 19:23.30 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 19:23.31 | jpa_ | oh well |
| 19:23.37 | jpa_ | it doesn't take much anyway |
| 19:23.48 | JeffM2501 | takes the same as an observer |
| 19:23.48 | jpa_ | since there are no player positions when there are no players |
| 19:24.12 | jpa_ | otherwise having it on 24/7 should consume quite a lot |
| 19:24.25 | JeffM2501 | same as a normal client |
| 19:24.30 | JeffM2501 | just sans the send |
| 19:24.35 | jpa_ | yes |
| 19:24.43 | JeffM2501 | the send is miniaml |
| 19:24.43 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-40-145-230-24.midco.net) |
| 19:24.49 | jpa_ | but you rarely have normal client on 24/7 |
| 19:24.52 | *** join/#bzflag Kiba_dm (~chatzilla@client33.fatl1.hawkcommunications.com) |
| 19:25.08 | JeffM2501 | bandwith wise it would be no dif from having a bzadmin on 24/7 |
| 19:25.22 | JeffM2501 | now if the bzadmin is on the lan of the server, then yeah it's "free" bandwith |
| 19:25.45 | spldart | yep ;) |
| 19:25.46 | *** part/#bzflag Kiba_dm (~chatzilla@client33.fatl1.hawkcommunications.com) |
| 19:25.48 | jpa_ | yup |
| 19:25.58 | bzservhost-wanab | 123 kbps best speed i got =( |
| 19:26.01 | bzservhost-wanab | I'm a little disappointed now |
| 19:26.13 | bzservhost-wanab | I was hoping to have at max a 7 person server. |
| 19:26.17 | JeffM2501 | that's normal |
| 19:26.20 | JeffM2501 | for basic DSL |
| 19:26.23 | jpa_ | but when it is not, it is free because my isp can't monitor traffic to invidual ports |
| 19:26.55 | bzservhost-wanab | alright well |
| 19:26.57 | bzservhost-wanab | adios |
| 19:26.59 | bzservhost-wanab | ttyl |
| 19:27.09 | jpa_ | my connection sucks too, ping times rise a lot if i have more than 300kbps traffic on 512 line |
| 19:30.12 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (creeperz@host-40-145-230-24.midco.net) |
| 19:31.09 | spldart | I noticed somthing yesterday.. I had updated my .conf file Changed my public message for the server list and changed the tank counts from 5 rogue 3 observer to 4 rogue 2 red 2 blue 2 observer and.... |
| 19:31.22 | spldart | The public message change is reflected in the public list |
| 19:31.28 | spldart | But the tank counts haven't |
| 19:31.38 | spldart | it still shows all rogue/observer. |
| 19:31.40 | CIA-10 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Fixing rejoiners problem forcing a disconection, against probably some hacked clients |
| 19:32.11 | jpa_ | you might have -mp in world file also? |
| 19:32.22 | spldart | OHH!!! |
| 19:32.26 | spldart | let me check |
| 19:33.42 | spldart | No... But a good guess. I hadn't thought to check that |
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| 19:39.03 | DTRemenak | hi Tupone, hi SportChick |
| 19:39.14 | SportChick | hi dtr |
| 19:39.18 | Tupone | hi DTRemenak |
| 19:39.27 | Tupone | hi SportChick |
| 19:40.29 | SportChick | hiya tupone |
| 19:41.07 | jpa_ | hi sporty |
| 19:41.15 | SportChick | jpa_: hiya |
| 19:41.42 | bendy24 | ji1~= |
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| 19:42.10 | bendy24 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.18 | bendy24 | ~3cx |
| 19:42.28 | bendy24 | c;~~6,gf/.v |
| 19:42.28 | bendy24 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.52 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 19:42.52 | menotume | bendy24: fell asleep on the kb again |
| 19:43.09 | bendy24 | menotume: tis my son |
| 19:43.13 | spldart | LMAO |
| 19:43.16 | menotume | :) |
| 19:43.40 | jpa_ | x) |
| 19:44.23 | jpa_ | he makes almost as many typos as his father |
| 19:45.31 | jpa_ | i might be able to translate that |
| 19:46.03 | bendy24 | he just loves pounding on the kb |
| 19:46.26 | spldart | hrm.. I'mm restart the server and see if that fixes the flags. |
| 19:46.29 | spldart | I mean tank teams |
| 19:46.31 | spldart | doh |
| 19:47.05 | jpa_ | he clearly meant "these .ko modules.. on pentium xp" "about 3 cxx files" "see, i'm using 2.6 kernel, my girlfriend doesn't like it or, actually, she is just verbose about it" |
| 19:48.15 | DTRemenak | girlfriend and slashdot are verbose about it. there's a "/." in there there that can only be translated one way |
| 19:48.30 | jpa_ | oh, missed that one :) |
| 19:48.55 | DTRemenak | his last line is "quit staring" |
| 19:56.11 | spldart | aaahhh... I think I fixed the tank count issue... And I think I figured out my stupid mistake on the user files |
| 19:56.45 | spldart | What is a good -maxidle number? |
| 19:58.26 | DTRemenak | spldart: I don't like maxidle at all, so don't ask me :) |
| 19:58.42 | spldart | oh |
| 19:59.12 | spldart | Well I was wanting to avoid people just sitting indefinitely but i gather from your preference that really isn't a problem |
| 19:59.22 | spldart | I'll continue to pass on that one then. |
| 19:59.33 | spldart | BTW Jeff I dropped from 5 to 4 shots :D |
| 20:02.20 | DTRemenak | I haven't experenced it being a problem, no. if you have a low playercount and end up pretty popular, it might be more of a problem |
| 20:02.34 | SportChick | anyone here on manny/army of one's ctf server? |
| 20:02.42 | SportChick | got a tk and not enough to poll |
| 20:02.44 | DTRemenak | but from a player perspective I really hate getting kicked off of a server because I paused to answer the phone |
| 20:03.40 | spldart | IC thanks DTR |
| 20:04.01 | DTRemenak | I tend to have strange opinions though so maybe you should ask someone else :) |
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| 20:32.11 | SportChick | hiya LouMan |
| 20:36.55 | spldart | Bows to LouMan's ubber map making skillaz |
| 20:38.52 | spldart | I want to have Ludacris - Number One Spot play on my map LOL |
| 20:46.51 | wegstar | :) |
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| 21:18.35 | me | can people play with multiple names on bzflag? |
| 21:18.58 | me | at once |
| 21:19.29 | me | hello? |
| 21:20.32 | me | beep |
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| 21:20.54 | me | beep beep |
| 21:21.37 | wegstar | no |
| 21:21.46 | wegstar | at the same time? |
| 21:21.49 | wegstar | err.. |
| 21:21.57 | wegstar | you can change your callsign |
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| 21:29.17 | questions | hey |
| 21:30.08 | questions | how many players maximum could a 1.5 Mbps down and 128 Kbps up? |
| 21:30.19 | questions | play on a server? |
| 21:30.27 | DTRemenak | about three |
| 21:32.03 | questions | ? |
| 21:32.04 | questions | jeese |
| 21:32.09 | questions | why so little? |
| 21:32.31 | DTRemenak | it's not very efficient |
| 21:33.09 | DTRemenak | 5 kilobytes per player per second for 10 shot is a good estimate |
| 21:33.17 | DTRemenak | which means 40 kilobits per player per second |
| 21:33.40 | DTRemenak | upstream kills you |
| 21:34.35 | DTRemenak | the popular servers are usually at datacenters or universities |
| 21:35.05 | DTRemenak | most residential isp's don't provide enough upstream bandwidth |
| 21:35.15 | questions | I see |
| 21:35.43 | questions | How much does 128Kbps translate into kilobytes |
| 21:35.53 | DTRemenak | ~128/8 |
| 21:35.54 | ibot | 16 |
| 21:36.05 | questions | ah |
| 21:36.20 | DTRemenak | so you can do three players, four if you're low-shot (two or three shots) |
| 21:36.55 | questions | ok |
| 21:36.58 | questions | thank you very much |
| 21:37.05 | DTRemenak | or you can upgrade your line |
| 21:41.36 | questions | I don't think I can actually |
| 21:41.49 | spldart | Ok.... |
| 21:42.01 | questions | Verizon Online |
| 21:42.06 | spldart | Question about filtering call signs and chat.... |
| 21:42.07 | questions | is pretty limited on what it allows |
| 21:42.44 | spldart | Somebody managed to enter with soandso@fu**ing.com |
| 21:42.48 | questions | ~384/8 |
| 21:42.49 | ibot | 48 |
| 21:42.53 | spldart | but it didn't filter him out |
| 21:43.07 | spldart | I tried testing it and it filter me when I tried to do the same thing |
| 21:43.32 | spldart | Is he using an 'odd' key to get in with that stuff? |
| 21:44.19 | spldart | Like some boards can't see or show certain characters so they are invisible. So you can insert one in every cuss word and they will get by the filter for that board |
| 21:44.54 | questions | How about.. Is there anyway to combine two people's upload speed into one bzserver? |
| 21:45.04 | questions | like say you and a friend combine uplaod speeds |
| 21:45.07 | spldart | is different than - |
| 21:45.11 | questions | but you live in different houses |
| 21:45.17 | spldart | I don't think so questions |
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| 21:49.00 | Gollum | hi |
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| 22:04.25 | spldart | Hi |
| 22:04.32 | spldart | oh wait |
| 22:04.37 | spldart | he left |
| 22:04.53 | spldart | What are the best minimal permissions to allow server police again? |
| 22:07.39 | DTRemenak | kick, shortban, flagreset |
| 22:08.04 | DTRemenak | or kick, ban, flagreset if you trust them to permaban people |
| 22:08.30 | spldart | Do you have a few minutes? |
| 22:08.56 | DTRemenak | no, but I'll give them to you anyway |
| 22:09.06 | spldart | Can you walk me through say.... setting up this group stuff and as a test give you some police ability |
| 22:09.18 | spldart | Well.. I don't want to inconvenience you :( |
| 22:09.23 | DTRemenak | first make sure global logins work |
| 22:09.27 | spldart | Are you sure? |
| 22:09.42 | DTRemenak | yeah, I'm already doing three things right now, what's another? ;) |
| 22:10.18 | spldart | my map does say global login approved |
| 22:10.38 | spldart | AND call of honor is in there again... he loves to race |
| 22:10.45 | spldart | now what |
| 22:11.05 | spldart | *opens .conf file* |
| 22:12.11 | spldart | I currently don't have either -groupdb or -userdb on |
| 22:14.39 | DTRemenak | ok, you'll need both |
| 22:15.07 | spldart | So I should add both to the conf file now.... With any switches or arguments? or Just them |
| 22:15.21 | DTRemenak | -groupdb somefile and -userdb someotherfile |
| 22:16.10 | spldart | what should the file extension be? somefile.txt or someting else |
| 22:16.59 | DTRemenak | doesn't make a whit of difference :) |
| 22:17.59 | spldart | OK... I have "-groupdb groupdb.txt" on one line and "-userdb userdb.txt" On another line |
| 22:18.34 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 22:18.53 | spldart | Now I have to created those files right? |
| 22:19.02 | spldart | create |
| 22:19.05 | spldart | creat |
| 22:19.07 | DTRemenak | I don't know on windows. probably should |
| 22:19.08 | spldart | I can't spell :( |
| 22:19.20 | spldart | ok... Same directory as .conf file? |
| 22:19.27 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 22:19.53 | DTRemenak | actually, you should specify their full path in the config file |
| 22:20.06 | DTRemenak | like "C:\bzf\configs\userdb.txt" or whatever |
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| 22:20.19 | DTRemenak | otherwise it will use the current working directory which may not be where you want |
| 22:20.38 | spldart | oh....Ok changing the .conf file now |
| 22:22.08 | spldart | done... That is something I didnt' try last time... Dunno why cuz I have my badwords listed by it's entire directory. |
| 22:22.56 | spldart | I assume I leave those files blank and bzfs will fill them in later through console commands |
| 22:23.32 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 22:23.41 | DTRemenak | groupdb you will need to fill manually |
| 22:23.48 | spldart | OH? |
| 22:23.49 | DTRemenak | userdb is automatic |
| 22:23.51 | spldart | How do I do that |
| 22:23.55 | spldart | Or should I say |
| 22:23.58 | spldart | What's next |
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| 22:24.01 | DTRemenak | just put the groups and permissions on a line |
| 22:24.12 | spldart | I don't know how :( |
| 22:24.20 | DTRemenak | like "LOCAL.COPS: BAN KICK FLAGRESET" on one line |
| 22:24.37 | spldart | Just like that? |
| 22:24.39 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 22:25.00 | DTRemenak | GROUPNAME: PERM [PERM [PERM ...]] is the syntax |
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| 22:26.01 | DTRemenak | if you want to use global groups then you leave the LOCAL. off the front...like if you wanted to give the developers perms, you could do "DEVELOPERS: KICK" or something |
| 22:26.11 | DTRemenak | same for any other group |
| 22:26.45 | spldart | COPS: [KICK [SHORTBAN [FLAGRESET]]] |
| 22:27.00 | DTRemenak | no, just LOCAL.COPS: KICK SHORTBAN FLAGRESET |
| 22:27.09 | DTRemenak | the brackets show that it's optional |
| 22:27.12 | spldart | I want to hand pick a few peeps |
| 22:27.26 | DTRemenak | yeah. so you want it to be a LOCAL group |
| 22:27.45 | DTRemenak | otherwise someone could create a COPS group on the bullentin board and snarf all your permissions |
| 22:28.18 | spldart | LOCAL COPS: KICK SHORTBAN FLAGRESET |
| 22:28.22 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 22:28.27 | DTRemenak | err, LOCAL.COPS |
| 22:28.28 | DTRemenak | there's a . |
| 22:28.45 | spldart | LOCAL.COPS: KICK SHORTBAN FLAGRESET |
| 22:28.52 | DTRemenak | it probably shouldn't be sensitive to that, but it probably is :) |
| 22:28.53 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 22:29.12 | spldart | okies |
| 22:29.20 | DTRemenak | now if you have someone join your server, you can do /addgroup "Callsign" LOCAL.COPS and they should be able to use /kick and so on |
| 22:29.46 | spldart | ok... I need to restart my server |
| 22:29.51 | spldart | to apply the settings |
| 22:29.54 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 22:29.56 | DTRemenak | well |
| 22:30.00 | DTRemenak | probably not actually |
| 22:30.05 | DTRemenak | try /reload |
| 22:30.06 | spldart | really? |
| 22:30.09 | DTRemenak | I dunno if it works :) |
| 22:30.22 | DTRemenak | if you didn't have a -userdb specified before, it probably won't work |
| 22:30.35 | spldart | I'll just restart it to be sure |
| 22:30.40 | spldart | let me check if anyone is on |
| 22:30.43 | DTRemenak | but once you have it running with a -userdb and -passdb, you can use /reload to apply changes you make to them |
| 22:31.42 | spldart | woah... I have a bunch of players again |
| 22:31.55 | spldart | I even hit the first page at least once today eek |
| 22:32.03 | spldart | I'll restart when I can |
| 22:32.13 | spldart | Thanks a ton.. I can't wait to try it |
| 22:32.18 | DTRemenak | no problem |
| 22:36.23 | spldart | Any pitfalls to this stuff? |
| 22:36.50 | DTRemenak | not really |
| 22:37.07 | spldart | Do you know if Call of honor1 is a decent fellow? |
| 22:37.17 | spldart | was thinking of making him a cop |
| 22:37.31 | DTRemenak | heh, I just about banned him on my server :) |
| 22:37.48 | DTRemenak | I wouldn't suggest it, but maybe he's grown up a bit since then |
| 22:38.31 | DTRemenak | ultimately it's your server :) |
| 22:38.39 | DTRemenak | you can always take it back from him :) |
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| 22:39.48 | spldart | What did he do to almost get banned by you? |
| 22:41.28 | wegstar | he was just playing over at louman's... and well he did use some language... |
| 22:41.41 | wegstar | but he seems suitable... |
| 22:41.50 | wegstar | on almost all day, etc. |
| 22:42.03 | spldart | suitable for policing |
| 22:42.09 | spldart | I'll mention the language thing |
| 22:42.16 | wegstar | he may change if you give him the responsibility... |
| 22:42.23 | spldart | ic |
| 22:42.57 | wegstar | It's your choice... |
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| 22:46.59 | spldart | umm he mentiones I've disabled register and identify |
| 22:47.49 | spldart | And that anyone can use his name |
| 22:48.23 | DTRemenak | he should be using global logins |
| 22:48.39 | DTRemenak | that's what it's for...to prevent people from using other people's callsigns |
| 22:48.40 | spldart | that prevents others from using his name |
| 22:48.50 | DTRemenak | it marks them if they do |
| 22:49.09 | DTRemenak | so in the scoreboard it is "- ThisCallsign" instead of "+ ThisCallsign" or whatever |
| 22:49.22 | DTRemenak | and they have no permissions |
| 22:49.56 | DTRemenak | nobody should be using /register and /identify anymore except as a backup for the administrator if they're paranoid |
| 22:51.13 | spldart | ok |
| 22:51.31 | spldart | when i tried switching usernames with coh i got a token error but I got into themap |
| 22:51.48 | spldart | when I switched back to my name I got global login approved |
| 22:51.56 | DTRemenak | yeah. you should have been marked with - also, provided you've already restarted after the userdb change |
| 22:53.14 | spldart | I restarted |
| 22:53.19 | spldart | then logged in as admin |
| 22:53.29 | spldart | then made coh a local.police |
| 22:53.35 | spldart | it seemed to work |
| 22:53.39 | spldart | then we logged out |
| 22:53.44 | spldart | and logged in each others names |
| 22:53.54 | spldart | I got bad token error then got into themap |
| 22:56.22 | DTRemenak | yup, but you didn't get any of his permissions |
| 22:59.32 | spldart | IC... shouldn't his name appear in one of those text files now that he's been added |
| 22:59.33 | spldart | ? |
| 23:01.14 | DTRemenak | yeah, he should be in userdb |
| 23:01.52 | spldart | I must have done something wrong :( |
| 23:02.05 | spldart | That file is still empty |
| 23:02.21 | DTRemenak | you have restarted the server, right? |
| 23:02.27 | spldart | yep |
| 23:02.46 | DTRemenak | yeah, then it should have edited userdb and added him with the appropriate group |
| 23:05.01 | spldart | ugh.... this is giving me a headache |
| 23:06.54 | spldart | brb gonna find some ibuprofen |
| 23:10.45 | spldart | Well I'm beat trying to figure this today. It's sucking the life outta me. Is there a line I can manually enter that will always log me on as a full admin? |
| 23:11.24 | DTRemenak | yeah. just add yourself to the userdb file manually |
| 23:11.32 | DTRemenak | the syntax is different |
| 23:11.36 | DTRemenak | four lines per user |
| 23:11.40 | DTRemenak | first is username |
| 23:12.01 | DTRemenak | second is groups: you probably want "EVERYONE VERIFIED LOCAL.GLOBAL LOCAL.ADMIN" |
| 23:12.19 | DTRemenak | third and fourth you may leave blank, they're for per-player permissions |
| 23:14.21 | spldart | so first line spldart |
| 23:14.28 | spldart | second line EVERYONE VERFIED LOCAL.GLOBAL LOCAL.ADMIN |
| 23:14.29 | DTRemenak | all caps |
| 23:14.40 | spldart | usernames have to be caps |
| 23:14.43 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 23:14.52 | spldart | all caps in the console when adding a cop too? |
| 23:15.00 | DTRemenak | nope, it will do it automatically |
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| 23:15.12 | spldart | OKies |
| 23:15.18 | spldart | what was that reload command again? |
| 23:15.25 | DTRemenak | you mean /reload? |
| 23:15.29 | spldart | oh yeah |
| 23:15.33 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:15.45 | DTRemenak | you really are fried, huh? :) |
| 23:15.45 | spldart | dude my head is pounding :( |
| 23:15.51 | spldart | yeah |
| 23:16.59 | spldart | well crud |
| 23:17.16 | spldart | Didn't give me auto admin priv |
| 23:17.17 | spldart | :( |
| 23:17.20 | spldart | It hates me |
| 23:17.59 | DTRemenak | you need to log back in after that for it to work, also |
| 23:18.07 | DTRemenak | if it still didn't, then it hates you |
| 23:20.40 | spldart | It hates me |
| 23:20.44 | spldart | My headache hates me |
| 23:20.49 | spldart | Ihate my headache |
| 23:21.09 | spldart | grrr No more tweaking the server for a while. It will have to survive on it's own |
| 23:21.28 | spldart | people can leave /reports and I'll ban after the fact |
| 23:22.15 | spldart | Sorry to have taken so much of your time DTR I really appreciate it. And you have gotten me closer to making this work.... |
| 23:22.26 | DTRemenak | no problem |
| 23:22.32 | DTRemenak | sorry it's not working for you |
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| 23:22.36 | spldart | I wonder what changes wegstar made in his recompile or whatever |
| 23:22.47 | DTRemenak | I think that's all he did, was just recompile it |
| 23:22.55 | DTRemenak | are you using 2.0.0 or 2.0.1? |
| 23:23.16 | spldart | the later |
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| 23:23.31 | DTRemenak | must be something with the way msvc handles files then |
| 23:23.32 | wegstar | yeah |
| 23:23.36 | wegstar | it works? |
| 23:24.08 | spldart | I was considering trying it but this whole 'groups' thing has me all blanked up |
| 23:24.39 | spldart | Is anyone else running a 9x server? |
| 23:24.54 | blast007 | eeek :) |
| 23:25.02 | DTRemenak | spldart: no, nobody else does that :) |
| 23:25.08 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:25.15 | DTRemenak | you can try using wegstar's bzfs.exe |
| 23:25.21 | DTRemenak | just replace the one you're using with his |
| 23:25.31 | spldart | but... would it make a difference? |
| 23:25.34 | DTRemenak | if it still doesn't work then there's something wrong on your end probably |
| 23:25.36 | spldart | If it's just a recomplie |
| 23:25.38 | DTRemenak | it did for him |
| 23:25.43 | spldart | oh |
| 23:25.44 | spldart | ok |
| 23:25.48 | DTRemenak | wegstar: has anyone else used it successfully? |
| 23:25.56 | spldart | how do I /shutdownserver |
| 23:26.08 | blast007 | Ctrl + C |
| 23:26.11 | blast007 | ;) |
| 23:26.49 | wegstar | only me.. |
| 23:26.57 | spldart | woah... wegstar's bzfs is way bigger than the original |
| 23:26.59 | spldart | why is that? |
| 23:27.00 | wegstar | Legolas's brother was going to try it too |
| 23:27.04 | wegstar | idon't know |
| 23:27.08 | spldart | hrm |
| 23:27.16 | blast007 | debug build? |
| 23:27.18 | wegstar | I ran it through strip.exe.. but still |
| 23:28.29 | DTRemenak | mingw has a habit of producing large executables |
| 23:28.44 | blast007 | ah |
| 23:29.18 | DTRemenak | and msvc actually produces very light executables |
| 23:29.46 | wegstar | spldart..err.. I disabled height checking on that bzfs.... |
| 23:29.55 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 23:34.52 | rabbit25 | hi |
| 23:35.02 | spldart | AAAALLlllll Riiiigghhtttyy then |
| 23:35.12 | spldart | CRASHED! |
| 23:35.19 | rabbit25 | :( |
| 23:35.23 | rabbit25 | that stinks |
| 23:35.24 | wegstar | ? |
| 23:35.37 | rabbit25 | macs almost never crash!!! hahaha! |
| 23:35.38 | rabbit25 | :) |
| 23:35.58 | wegstar | spldart: It work? |
| 23:36.06 | spldart | My 98 machine crashes once a month or more |
| 23:36.11 | spldart | Anywho. it no work |
| 23:36.24 | wegstar | ok.. |
| 23:36.27 | spldart | But I don't feel like troubleshooting right now... I'll do so later |
| 23:36.37 | spldart | It opened.. |
| 23:36.44 | spldart | started loading up the map |
| 23:36.53 | spldart | Then closed itself |
| 23:37.05 | spldart | As if there was a bad command in the .conf file |
| 23:37.28 | spldart | I've already switched back |
| 23:38.38 | wegstar | err.. |
| 23:40.04 | Birdie | how do you unban some one on irc? |
| 23:40.04 | DTRemenak | "<spldart> My 98 machine crashes once a month or more" <-- that would be why nobody else tries to run servers on 98 :) |
| 23:40.20 | DTRemenak | Birdie: mode -b |
| 23:40.39 | Birdie | thx |
| 23:40.42 | DTRemenak | (I think) |
| 23:40.45 | Birdie | some one wanted to test it but.. |
| 23:40.52 | Birdie | i'm banned now:) |
| 23:40.55 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 23:41.16 | Birdie | (wasnt -b) |
| 23:41.37 | _bubbles_ | look it was an aciident okk :oP |
| 23:41.43 | Birdie | :) |
| 23:42.47 | Grumbler | gm is such a useless flag now |
| 23:43.01 | Grumbler | especially with the activation time |
| 23:43.03 | DTRemenak | spldart: root@dtremenak.bakadigital.com:~$ uptime |
| 23:43.04 | DTRemenak | 11:40PM up 139 days, 17:47, 1 user, load averages: 1.16, 1.08, 1.03 |
| 23:43.43 | DTRemenak | been running nonstop since I last upgraded the kernel |
| 23:44.27 | wegstar | wow |
| 23:44.29 | DTRemenak | windows doesn't even have an uptime command :) |
| 23:46.09 | Birdie | ~blast007++ |
| 23:47.28 | spldart | I restart every 2 weeks though so the last time it crashed was well back last year |
| 23:47.48 | DTRemenak | yeah. most windows sysadmins have scheduled restarts |
| 23:47.54 | DTRemenak | which to me seems soooo silly :) |
| 23:48.19 | spldart | yeah but the old shuttle mobo isn't new enough for xp pro to support properly |
| 23:48.22 | DTRemenak | but if you don't do it, you get crashes, so hey... |
| 23:48.42 | spldart | Funny The only dually server workstation in my house is my PC and not a server |
| 23:48.51 | spldart | it's a video editing/encoding station |
| 23:48.52 | DTRemenak | no, I mean most windows sysadmins in general do...even the ones using modern oses |
| 23:49.10 | DTRemenak | at work we'd restart our 2K server every third sunday |
| 23:49.45 | DTRemenak | my highschool restarted thier 2K3 servers once a month |
| 23:50.21 | DTRemenak | here we use unix servers, so we don't have that kind of silliness |
| 23:50.24 | spldart | I restart more often than that just to keep up with virus, windows and other updates |
| 23:50.44 | DTRemenak | you should never have to restart a computer, ever |
| 23:51.02 | DTRemenak | anytime you have to, it's due to a flaw in the design of the software |
| 23:51.48 | DTRemenak | of course, only mature true microkernels can actually achieve anything like that, but hey... :) |
| 23:53.07 | DTRemenak | hardware failure is the only truly acceptable reason to need to restart your machine |
| 23:53.48 | purple_cow | if you get good stuff, even that isn't an acceptable reason ;) |
| 23:53.59 | spldart | Offly rigid |
| 23:54.04 | DTRemenak | heh, but good stuff costs money, and some of us don't have that :) |
| 23:54.25 | DTRemenak | spldart: why should you have to restart to apply a patch to internet explorer? |
| 23:54.35 | DTRemenak | it's your freaking browser, for goodness sake |
| 23:55.02 | spldart | I just restart when windows update says to. Or Norton for that matter |
| 23:55.18 | DTRemenak | why should you have to restart to update your virus scanner? |
| 23:55.31 | spldart | Although I hate service pack 2 with a passion |
| 23:55.59 | spldart | Virus scanner actually periodicaly downloads a software update. Those things need the reboot. Not the virus defs |
| 23:56.11 | DTRemenak | yeah. why do you need to reboot for that? |
| 23:56.26 | DTRemenak | the answer is that either Norton or Microsoft made a poor design choice |
| 23:56.49 | spldart | I think the fault is slightly more in Nortons court but hey |
| 23:56.58 | DTRemenak | well, then take windows update :) |
| 23:56.59 | spldart | At least norton 2k5 |
| 23:57.04 | DTRemenak | can't blame that on norton :) |
| 23:57.05 | spldart | It's overtaken as blank |
| 23:59.13 | spldart | Well I'm happy with my hardware... Even if it is old. |
| 23:59.22 | DTRemenak | the point is that there's no real reason to need to reboot for any of that, except poor design |
| 23:59.29 | DTRemenak | oh, nothing's wrong with your hardware :) |
| 23:59.30 | spldart | Two liquid cooled amd barton core processors at 2300mhz apiece |
| 23:59.42 | DTRemenak | and I wouldn't call that old, either |
| 23:59.53 | spldart | MSI K7D is a bit dated |
