| 00:00.25 | JeffM2501 | no, the game dosn't know the difrence between lan and net |
| 00:00.36 | spldart | Like.. Can I have a max of 3 from the internet, but still have alll 5 machines capable of playing bzflag inside get on |
| 00:00.38 | spldart | Oh :( |
| 00:00.40 | JeffM2501 | all network connections are created equal :) |
| 00:00.40 | DTRemenak | spldart: nope, that's not possible. it would be easy to patch it to always allow particular ips. |
| 00:00.43 | spldart | Anyway to fool it? |
| 00:00.54 | JeffM2501 | not in the current sceeme |
| 00:01.02 | JeffM2501 | the server has it's roots in lan games |
| 00:01.06 | JeffM2501 | so it treats them all the same |
| 00:01.08 | spldart | Ok. Thought that would be an easy NO :( |
| 00:01.16 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to add a couple extra slots or something |
| 00:01.29 | spldart | Beyond my technical ability. |
| 00:02.07 | JeffM2501 | since it staticly allocates the player slots, having it say "allways allow from this IP range" would be hard |
| 00:02.10 | spldart | Was hoping to have a day where only 2 or 3 family join from outside and play with all my kids inside |
| 00:02.33 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: can just statically allocate a bunch more |
| 00:02.42 | blast007 | could just make it a private server, and then tell them the address and port |
| 00:02.42 | DTRemenak | it'd be a hack, but it'd be easy |
| 00:02.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's be a "bunch" |
| 00:03.05 | spldart | Yeah... But I still want to be public for people to just pop in. |
| 00:03.11 | blast007 | ah |
| 00:04.26 | spldart | Although other issues were making me think of going private again. Dunno. |
| 00:08.04 | JeffM2501 | fix up your requireID problems, and put the public players that can play in a group |
| 00:12.22 | spldart | I've given up on that. And I've gotten great help from you and DTR among others. I just can't get groups working. |
| 00:13.08 | JeffM2501 | I think it's cus of your libCURL problems |
| 00:13.13 | JeffM2501 | probably steming from 98 |
| 00:13.17 | spldart | I wonder. Has anyone ever measured the total throughput of a busy server over the course of a month? |
| 00:13.22 | spldart | I think your right about 98 |
| 00:13.56 | JeffM2501 | you could try to build your own libs |
| 00:13.58 | spldart | But xp doesn't support the mobo in my server fully. I will be building a new server in a few months though |
| 00:14.17 | JeffM2501 | what mobo? |
| 00:14.18 | spldart | I doubt I have the technical abilities to build a new lib |
| 00:14.28 | spldart | It's an old hot shuttle socket 7 |
| 00:14.40 | spldart | With a k62 500 running at like 466mhz |
| 00:14.55 | JeffM2501 | what dosn't XP have support for? |
| 00:14.57 | spldart | It's so old that it has edo memory spots and ISA slots |
| 00:15.30 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 00:15.34 | spldart | I couldn't get power conserv features, ISA slot support etc |
| 00:15.50 | spldart | can't remember details... It's been years since I tried xp on it |
| 00:16.01 | JeffM2501 | what ISA cards do you have? |
| 00:16.08 | spldart | Nic |
| 00:16.14 | spldart | and sound |
| 00:16.16 | spldart | If I recall |
| 00:16.19 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 00:16.21 | spldart | and only 3 pci |
| 00:16.24 | spldart | vid |
| 00:16.27 | spldart | usb |
| 00:16.33 | spldart | and....can't remember |
| 00:16.34 | spldart | :( |
| 00:16.45 | spldart | point is I ran out of pci |
| 00:17.04 | spldart | It's a hodgepodge of parts that I had laying around at the time. I need to just replace the rig |
| 00:17.25 | JeffM2501 | PCs are cheap now |
| 00:17.30 | spldart | I know. |
| 00:17.54 | spldart | I can build something from newegg for about 2 or 300 bux right now. |
| 00:18.19 | spldart | But I'm getting ready to outlay thousands for a car tomorrow and some parts for my Kawasaki |
| 00:18.29 | spldart | hrm |
| 00:19.14 | spldart | I have one other 98 machine that xp can run fine on... But... |
| 00:19.32 | spldart | I use it to support all the dos games I still like to play that nobody has modified for xp |
| 00:19.38 | spldart | like Duke Nukem |
| 00:22.18 | spldart | I need to study to be a certified cisco network guru or something. And learn languages like my brother. He has written apps in many languages. |
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| 01:04.27 | JeffM2501 | that little model editor? |
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| 01:47.22 | spldart | that suxored. Got booted off :( |
| 01:57.42 | brlcad | you fail! |
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| 03:02.44 | Thumper_ | Any hepcat admins here? |
| 03:08.33 | orange | yes, what's up? |
| 03:09.13 | brlcad | doc |
| 03:10.28 | orange | Thumper_: what did you need? |
| 03:10.44 | Thumper_ | we need some admins on one of the hepcat servers... TKers and cheaters spoil the game |
| 03:10.57 | orange | which server? |
| 03:11.05 | Thumper_ | red vs green ctf |
| 03:11.14 | Thumper_ | I'll admin if you want to give me privs... :) |
| 03:12.56 | orange | well, one cheater banned |
| 03:13.00 | orange | tk seems not bad |
| 03:13.12 | Thumper_ | not at the moment... |
| 03:13.16 | Thumper_ | but it was bad 10 mins ago |
| 03:13.27 | Thumper_ | with red player taking red flag to green base |
| 03:13.28 | orange | vote the tk's off |
| 03:13.32 | Thumper_ | can't poll |
| 03:14.01 | Thumper_ | I tried that |
| 03:25.49 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.cxx: see if you can hold down your chowder with this change. |
| 03:26.21 | brlcad | hehe |
| 03:26.48 | brlcad | aww, no big fat guy |
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| 03:49.34 | oDilx | help, my bzflag fucked up somehow.. its debian distro comes with mountain[1-3].png, it tries to read far ahead of this (made already up to mountain61.png, it still tries more) |
| 03:49.53 | oDilx | it used to work before fine, nothing was done.. maybe a low-on-HD-space situation earlier, nothing else |
| 03:50.32 | oDilx | i see lots of brk()s after it didnt find the N'th mountain file, eating up ram fast, till it gets OOM killed |
| 03:51.25 | oDilx | 2.0.0.20050118-STABLE-linux-gnu-SDL |
| 03:54.51 | oDilx | looks like the ending loop goes like.. csof() glVertex3f() sinf(), again cosf() |
| 03:55.02 | oDilx | s/csof/cosf |
| 03:55.12 | brlcad | hrm, well that's certainly odd |
| 03:55.39 | brlcad | can you validate that the data resources are correct? |
| 03:55.57 | brlcad | you can checkout the resources from cvs |
| 03:56.13 | oDilx | the debian md5sums are alright |
| 03:56.20 | oDilx | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.23 | brlcad | or manually check them all from http://bzflag.bz/cvs/data/ .. but cvs will be much faster |
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| 03:56.38 | brlcad | ~MeBigFatGuy++ |
| 03:56.49 | MeBigFatGuy | wassat? |
| 03:57.00 | MeBigFatGuy | sure i am not worthy |
| 03:57.28 | MeBigFatGuy | ah |
| 03:57.29 | brlcad | you're always worthy |
| 03:57.32 | oDilx | any ppc cvs builds around? =p |
| 03:57.54 | brlcad | oDilx: yeah, several running on 32 and 64 bit ppc |
| 03:58.10 | oDilx | builds to download and exec, not compatibility |
| 03:58.30 | brlcad | hrm, that'll be more difficult to get ahold of them |
| 03:58.35 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 03:58.36 | oDilx | thought so |
| 03:59.34 | oDilx | damn |
| 03:59.34 | MeBigFatGuy | navy to bomb islands near brlcad |
| 04:00.00 | oDilx | btw |
| 04:00.05 | oDilx | anyone got a favorite blog site? |
| 04:00.53 | brlcad | oDilx: if you compile optimized from the get-go, you shouldn't need that much disk space |
| 04:01.35 | oDilx | i have around ~5MB left, i doubt that will fit anything |
| 04:01.36 | orange | why does everybody always say nice things about mebigfatguy every time dbrosius does something good? |
| 04:01.42 | oDilx | maximally 20MB |
| 04:01.52 | oDilx | for which i'd need to get all the required dev stuff |
| 04:01.55 | MeBigFatGuy | orange, no idea, i was stunned myself, did you see? |
| 04:02.05 | orange | it's crazy |
| 04:02.06 | brlcad | oDilx: yeah, that's a bit tight |
| 04:02.36 | oDilx | crapshit |
| 04:02.46 | oDilx | i bet some 1337 owner did this to me |
| 04:03.09 | brlcad | hmm? |
| 04:03.17 | brlcad | someone else filled up your disk? :) |
| 04:03.31 | oDilx | naw, but fucked up my favorite 15fps game w/o audio |
| 04:03.44 | orange | that pretty much completes the list |
| 04:03.50 | MeBigFatGuy | easy on my ears please |
| 04:03.52 | brlcad | oDilx: prefer to keep the language clean in here |
| 04:03.59 | orange | you've covered almost all the major curse words now :-) |
| 04:04.21 | oDilx | brl, k.. 2 words do a complete list? yet 1 |
| 04:04.59 | brlcad | oDilx: hmm? |
| 04:05.21 | oDilx | ask ornage |
| 04:05.33 | oDilx | starting up with an empty .bzf fixes it.. mmh |
| 04:05.51 | brlcad | hrm |
| 04:06.17 | brlcad | ahh, maybe a corrupted config on a full disk? |
| 04:06.34 | oDilx | uh my config.cfg is empty |
| 04:06.34 | brlcad | that could cause all kinds of fun |
| 04:06.48 | oDilx | was |
| 04:07.01 | brlcad | ahh, that sounds like the problem then |
| 04:07.06 | oDilx | i see, and reconstructed |
| 04:07.10 | brlcad | it should never be empty |
| 04:07.13 | oDilx | an empty config.cfg <beeps> all out |
| 04:07.19 | oDilx | bug report, but not by me |
| 04:07.45 | brlcad | good to know, I suppose |
| 04:07.59 | brlcad | though running bz is the least of your problems ;) |
| 04:08.15 | oDilx | true |
| 04:08.45 | oDilx | one of my major probs is that i have created some software (scripting) that eats this kind of config files: xmb.ath.cx/url.a and ur.b |
| 04:09.00 | oDilx | and sure i have no connections or anything to make any cash of it, along with other problems =p |
| 04:09.15 | oDilx | url.b* |
| 04:09.36 | oDilx | cool tho, my whole conf is gone |
| 04:09.57 | brlcad | if you're looking for $ and you know basic scripting and basic code, I've got work |
| 04:10.10 | brlcad | but you'll need more than 5MB free :) |
| 04:11.16 | oDilx | oic, gimme work! i dont even know just basic scripting, im a master at bash/awk |
| 04:11.32 | oDilx | aka xmb i am, hi :) |
| 04:11.42 | oDilx | xmb<@skilled.ch> - xmb.ath.cx |
| 04:12.22 | oDilx | im some lonely, u gotta know =p |
| 04:12.36 | brlcad | you czech? |
| 04:12.43 | oDilx | bulgarian, living in the swiss |
| 04:12.52 | brlcad | ahh cool |
| 04:13.02 | oDilx | .ch for cheese |
| 04:13.06 | oDilx | heh! |
| 04:13.09 | brlcad | an old close friend of mind is bulgarian |
| 04:13.27 | oDilx | mm nice |
| 04:13.34 | brlcad | she is ;) |
| 04:13.38 | oDilx | hehe |
| 04:13.55 | oDilx | anyway, are you serious about scripting work? |
| 04:14.32 | oDilx | mmm, 5:13 am |
| 04:15.28 | brlcad | http://ftp.brlcad.org/rfp/indent.html |
| 04:15.47 | brlcad | it's not as formal as the rfp might make it sound |
| 04:15.58 | brlcad | just detailed |
| 04:16.38 | brlcad | if you're interested, make an offer |
| 04:16.45 | oDilx | min, gotta start OOM killed opera with ~40 pages |
| 04:16.46 | brlcad | if not, that's fine too |
| 04:16.53 | oDilx | are there any offers already? |
| 04:16.57 | oDilx | sounds like bidding |
| 04:17.23 | brlcad | I want you to tell me how much it's worth to you |
| 04:17.41 | brlcad | the intent it to pay someone for work that needs the work |
| 04:17.55 | brlcad | e.g. students are prime |
| 04:17.57 | oDilx | hmm, cool |
| 04:18.12 | brlcad | and everyone's time is valued differently :) |
| 04:18.22 | brlcad | some would do it for free.. some not so free ;) |
| 04:19.42 | brlcad | i wouldn't want to put a price on the work, and then have some poor kid spent two months on it trying to finish it |
| 04:21.07 | oDilx | ehe |
| 04:21.10 | oDilx | is it some CAD software? |
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| 04:21.18 | brlcad | yes |
| 04:21.41 | brlcad | don't have to know what it is, though, to do the work :) |
| 04:22.45 | brlcad | it is a recently open sourced csg-based solid modeling cad system |
| 04:23.47 | oDilx | sounds heavy.. from the first few lines read |
| 04:24.09 | oDilx | got any links to some example indent.pro confs? |
| 04:24.21 | brlcad | sure, http://google.com ;) |
| 04:25.48 | oDilx | mh not today =/ |
| 04:26.14 | brlcad | feel free to share that if you know others that might be interested |
| 04:26.48 | oDilx | k but yet dunno, of course i wanna have all the work for myself, with some luck =p |
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| 04:27.39 | brlcad | feel free to look into it for a little while and gauge how long you thing it might take and then write up a short offer -- you can always back out if you change your mind |
| 04:27.50 | oDilx | modification of sources to functions via emacs thing.. whats the functions mean here |
| 04:28.05 | oDilx | k |
| 04:29.44 | brlcad | emacs will indent sources |
| 04:30.00 | brlcad | i've already written a script that will invoke emacs on source files and auto-indent them |
| 04:30.28 | brlcad | there are certain consructs, however, that are not friendly to that sort of auto-indentation and need to be repaired |
| 04:30.39 | brlcad | simple repairs.. but a little tedious |
| 04:31.45 | oDilx | mmm k |
| 04:35.48 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, do I have to use xcode to make a simple OSX app? |
| 04:36.44 | oDilx | you can use anything else to write the code, i dunno what compiler is needed for objC though |
| 04:36.54 | JeffM2501 | I mean a C++ one |
| 04:37.17 | oDilx | brl, do u got by chance an extra dir with all the existing scripts, and showcase's for non-working to-fix sources styles and stuff? |
| 04:37.47 | brlcad | JeffM2501: there are several app templates you can choose from when you create a new project |
| 04:37.51 | brlcad | not unlike studio |
| 04:38.04 | brlcad | they'll be functional program stubs |
| 04:38.13 | JeffM2501 | problem is I need to just make OSX files for an existing project |
| 04:38.18 | brlcad | or you can start with an empty project and just start adding c++ files to it |
| 04:39.11 | brlcad | yeah, just create a new project.. select an empty project .. add your files |
| 04:39.15 | JeffM2501 | I realy should learn how to do makefiles |
| 04:39.51 | oDilx | brl, can gcc compile |
| 04:40.00 | oDilx | gcc on OS X* compile aqua running apps? |
| 04:40.06 | brlcad | sure |
| 04:40.27 | brlcad | that's the default compiler |
| 04:40.49 | oDilx | it is, but it results in darwin/X programs, not real OS X ones |
| 04:40.57 | brlcad | only difference is that apple has their own optimization loop |
| 04:41.04 | oDilx | well, by default that is, without messing |
| 04:41.16 | brlcad | it doesn't .. it only does exactly what you tell it |
| 04:41.21 | JeffM2501 | I'd think the X/aquaness would be based on the files, not the compiler |
| 04:41.24 | brlcad | you write X11 code, it's going to build an X11 app |
| 04:41.33 | brlcad | you write Aqua code, it's going to build an Aqua app |
| 04:41.34 | oDilx | hm correct |
| 04:41.41 | oDilx | mm, mm |
| 04:42.11 | oDilx | anyway, got such an example dir? or is the info on that page complete |
| 04:42.39 | brlcad | it's pretty complete I think |
| 04:42.47 | jpa_ | morning |
| 04:42.51 | JeffM2501 | carbon is C++? |
| 04:43.06 | brlcad | the problem you're likely going to have is that brl-cad's almost 400 mb compiled ;) |
| 04:43.26 | brlcad | JeffM2501: yeah, actually most C interfaces |
| 04:43.34 | oDilx | i should have a 2x160GB 1.5TB root server by then |
| 04:43.37 | JeffM2501 | that's fine |
| 04:48.33 | oDilx | hmm brl, i have to read it again tomorrow.. maybe some stuff will be more clear then |
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| 05:05.32 | JeffM2501 | brlcad what's the include for GL? |
| 05:05.39 | JeffM2501 | on yon OSX? |
| 05:06.08 | brlcad | for the good stuff it's via the opengl framework |
| 05:06.14 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 05:06.23 | JeffM2501 | and to include that its?..... |
| 05:06.26 | brlcad | which is #include <OpenGL/whatever.h> |
| 05:07.05 | brlcad | you compile with -framework OpenGL (which is done automatically when you add the framework in xcode) |
| 05:07.38 | brlcad | #include <OpenGL/OpenGL.h> .. or #include <OpenGL/gl.h> are what you'll usually use |
| 05:08.01 | JeffM2501 | hmm hiting "add existing framework" and not seeing GL |
| 05:08.30 | brlcad | should be "OpenGL" .. not just GL |
| 05:08.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:08.46 | JeffM2501 | only thing in "open" is "openssl" |
| 05:09.06 | JeffM2501 | ahh there it is |
| 05:11.05 | JeffM2501 | hmmm it's not finding my includes |
| 05:11.12 | JeffM2501 | is tehre a way to tell it what dirs to look in? |
| 05:11.28 | brlcad | did you add your headers to the project? |
| 05:11.32 | JeffM2501 | y eah |
| 05:11.49 | JeffM2501 | but they are in like inc/ and inc/OSX/ |
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| 05:13.40 | brlcad | you can add those to the search paths, but if you checked the headers as part of whatever binary target, they should get auto located |
| 05:13.46 | brlcad | unless you don't have a target yet |
| 05:13.53 | JeffM2501 | Noodleman, got a targett |
| 05:14.03 | JeffM2501 | made a default app and replaced the source files |
| 05:15.13 | brlcad | under the Targets -> your app's name -> Headers .. they should all be listed there |
| 05:15.37 | JeffM2501 | just have a sources folder |
| 05:16.26 | brlcad | select the app and go to the Project menu .. New Build Phase |
| 05:16.28 | JeffM2501 | just added a new "headers build phase" |
| 05:16.31 | JeffM2501 | addingf files now |
| 05:16.32 | brlcad | yeah |
| 05:17.45 | JeffM2501 | grr, still says parse error before ( on the line |
| 05:17.48 | JeffM2501 | app = new OSXApp(argc,argv);// somone should implement this one |
| 05:18.06 | JeffM2501 | when OSXApp is define in #include "OSX/osxapp.h" |
| 05:19.35 | brlcad | if you put a #error in the osxapp.h header what does it do? |
| 05:19.56 | brlcad | You'll want Build -> Show Detailed Build Results |
| 05:20.02 | brlcad | to see what's really going on |
| 05:20.19 | brlcad | show build steps |
| 05:20.46 | brlcad | select the lil bubble text next to show warnings too |
| 05:22.25 | JeffM2501 | dosn't look like it's geting my header |
| 05:23.03 | JeffM2501 | I'd think |
| 05:23.05 | JeffM2501 | #ifdef __APPLE_ |
| 05:23.06 | JeffM2501 | #include <OpenGL/OpenGL.h> |
| 05:23.06 | JeffM2501 | #include "OSX/osxapp.h" |
| 05:23.06 | JeffM2501 | #endif |
| 05:23.09 | JeffM2501 | would work |
| 05:23.47 | brlcad | that __APPLE_ is a typo |
| 05:24.02 | brlcad | :) |
| 05:24.06 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.14 | JeffM2501 | had __ all the other places :) |
| 05:26.09 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:26.34 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 05:26.36 | JeffM2501 | it worked |
| 05:27.01 | JeffM2501 | now to find a sample to hook some GL up into it |
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| 05:44.42 | JeffM2501 | the standard samples suck |
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| 05:50.52 | oDilx | hi sc, and bye sc, brl, zzZ |
| 05:51.54 | jpa_ | morning |
| 05:52.05 | jpa_ | hi SportChick |
| 05:53.59 | SportChick | hiya odlix and jpa - goodnight, actually |
| 05:54.14 | jpa_ | it is morning |
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| 06:46.02 | MeBigFatGuy | welcome to lag |
| 06:46.11 | spldart | server wasn't lagging |
| 06:46.19 | spldart | We were all very responsive |
| 06:46.44 | spldart | Well. 1 guy outta over a dozen said he had lag. |
| 06:47.02 | spldart | But that was like 1/2 hour before |
| 06:47.10 | jpa_ | umm |
| 06:47.22 | jpa_ | one could just use /lagstats and see if you have lag, you know? |
| 06:47.30 | spldart | I wasn't |
| 06:47.45 | spldart | And the game was right on. |
| 06:47.55 | spldart | And deathdealer was owning the kill ratio |
| 06:47.56 | spldart | hehehe |
| 06:47.57 | jpa_ | so how much lag did you have? |
| 06:48.10 | spldart | under 100 |
| 06:48.16 | spldart | don't rmemeber exactly |
| 06:48.38 | spldart | Every other kill was exactly like I expected though |
| 06:48.50 | spldart | But three times |
| 06:49.00 | spldart | Seems like a huge disparity |
| 06:49.16 | jpa_ | well, he might have been cheating |
| 06:49.27 | jpa_ | but there is nothing we can really do about it |
| 06:49.31 | jpa_ | life is unfair. |
| 06:49.35 | spldart | I understand that. |
| 06:49.42 | spldart | I'm just venting |
| 06:49.57 | jpa_ | :) |
| 06:50.12 | spldart | Was having fun being killed alot up to that time |
| 06:50.20 | spldart | hehehe |
| 06:50.49 | orange | spldart: did you have GM? |
| 06:50.54 | spldart | No |
| 06:51.06 | orange | did your shot stop or go through? |
| 06:51.37 | spldart | went through the tank body 3 times. Once a point blank... One tank length between us. |
| 06:51.42 | spldart | He wasn't even moving |
| 06:51.54 | spldart | He shot back a split second later and boom |
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| 06:52.42 | orange | it's menotume's fault, probably |
| 06:52.52 | spldart | Oh well. I'll just call it lag and call it a night. |
| 06:53.06 | spldart | Just needed to vent |
| 06:53.26 | spldart | menotume? Who's that? |
| 06:53.46 | spldart | just some guy who popped on and is now getting ribbed? |
| 06:53.50 | spldart | ;) |
| 06:54.23 | orange | lots of things are his fault |
| 06:54.31 | orange | so it seems reasonable to attack as soon as he arrives |
| 06:54.40 | spldart | hehehehe |
| 06:55.36 | jpa_ | yup |
| 06:55.41 | jpa_ | that is a know menotume-bug |
| 06:56.26 | spldart | I assume he is a good sport :-) |
| 06:56.29 | jpa_ | if (nick=="spldart") shot.ignore = true; |
| 06:56.40 | spldart | LOL |
| 06:56.50 | spldart | Well. Night all. |
| 06:56.59 | jpa_ | there are dozens of lines like that in the source |
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| 06:57.10 | jpa_ | menotume isn't really a good coder |
| 06:58.56 | orange | jpa_ kinda took my mild ribbing to the next level |
| 06:59.40 | orange | meanwhile menotume remains curiously quiet |
| 06:59.55 | jpa_ | :) |
| 07:00.10 | orange | don't *even* go there |
| 07:00.22 | orange | :-) |
| 07:01.09 | jpa_ | why not? :) |
| 07:01.16 | orange | down that path lies madness |
| 07:02.59 | jpa_ | hmph |
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| 07:12.24 | uso | hi |
| 07:13.12 | uso | this bzfedit needs a lot of libs to be installed, but if it runs it seems to do it's job :) |
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| 07:14.24 | uso | this is the only bzflag map editor to run native on linux, isn't it? |
| 07:15.17 | ruskie | g-bzw? |
| 07:15.26 | jpa_ | uso: no |
| 07:15.31 | jpa_ | uso: there are many others |
| 07:15.37 | JeffM2501 | what bzedit? |
| 07:15.38 | jpa_ | to mention, nano, vi, emacs, kate, |
| 07:15.39 | JeffM2501 | the linux one? |
| 07:16.03 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03dbrosius * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (Player.cxx Player.h): pull out explosion matrix - couldn't get it to work right. |
| 07:16.09 | uso | lol, i preffered vim so far >) |
| 07:16.22 | brlcad | ruskie: .g is a brl-cad geometry database :) |
| 07:16.43 | jpa_ | argh |
| 07:16.47 | jpa_ | that would be so evil |
| 07:17.00 | jpa_ | i don't want to do maps with a cad program! |
| 07:17.06 | brlcad | muahaha |
| 07:17.52 | uso | JeffM2501: yes, the bzFedit |
| 07:18.04 | JeffM2501 | there are 3 |
| 07:18.11 | JeffM2501 | they can all run on linux |
| 07:18.13 | JeffM2501 | after a fassion |
| 07:18.24 | uso | oops, bzfed |
| 07:19.01 | JeffM2501 | that's the GTK one |
| 07:19.13 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, did you do the import/export? |
| 07:19.17 | uso | even worse, it's the gnome one |
| 07:19.34 | JeffM2501 | then don't use it if you don't like it |
| 07:19.35 | uso | what's fassion? |
| 07:19.37 | brlcad | JeffM2501: it's on the todo but not todone yet |
| 07:19.52 | JeffM2501 | the windows one can run with wine |
| 07:20.02 | brlcad | we've had other release priorities demanding attention |
| 07:20.05 | JeffM2501 | the python one also runs fine in linux |
| 07:22.09 | uso | is the python one included in bzflag? |
| 07:22.18 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 07:22.24 | JeffM2501 | there is no "oficial" editor |
| 07:22.39 | jpa_ | there is |
| 07:22.45 | jpa_ | only kate is officially supported |
| 07:22.52 | JeffM2501 | all the visual editor and editor toolkits are extra projects |
| 07:22.56 | JeffM2501 | jpa_, shut it |
| 07:23.15 | jpa_ | :( |
| 07:23.25 | JeffM2501 | it's too late in the night for lame jokes |
| 07:24.00 | uso | Kate = KDE Advanced Text Editor? |
| 07:24.02 | jpa_ | it is 9am for me |
| 07:24.18 | JeffM2501 | well since the world dosn't revolve around you, your timezone dosn't mater |
| 07:24.27 | JeffM2501 | any text editor will do |
| 07:24.31 | JeffM2501 | he was just being silly/stupid |
| 07:24.45 | uso | *shudder* |
| 07:25.33 | uso | if anything is worser then gnome it's kde |
| 07:25.48 | JeffM2501 | then use what ever you want |
| 07:25.55 | JeffM2501 | use cat if you want |
| 07:26.15 | JeffM2501 | but for visual editors you have basilcy 3 |
| 07:26.23 | JeffM2501 | the blender plugin isn't done yet |
| 07:26.42 | JeffM2501 | the linux bzedit has a smaller feature set but is probalby more stable |
| 07:26.54 | JeffM2501 | the python one has a decent featureset but is ugly |
| 07:27.05 | JeffM2501 | the windows one is a mix |
| 07:28.53 | jpa_ | blender -> obj -> bzw works somehow |
| 07:29.05 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 07:29.11 | uso | the linux bzedit means the gnome based from bzfed.org? |
| 07:29.12 | jpa_ | while i think that the mesh-teleport-buggie still exists, no? |
| 07:29.15 | JeffM2501 | anything -> obj -> bzw works |
| 07:29.30 | JeffM2501 | uso yes that's the only one that builds |
| 07:29.42 | JeffM2501 | it's an updated code from CVS |
| 07:30.44 | uso | hmm, should find a way back into cvs ;) |
| 07:31.00 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it will at some point |
| 07:31.03 | uso | to avoid parallel developnment of 2.0 map features |
| 07:31.18 | JeffM2501 | well that's not a problem |
| 07:31.24 | JeffM2501 | since noone is making a 2.0 editor |
| 07:37.27 | uso | JeffM2501: as you are here a cautious question: would it be much work to optionally get back the console rendering from 1.10 into 2.0? |
| 07:38.18 | JeffM2501 | the font drawing you mean? |
| 07:38.39 | uso | probably yes |
| 07:38.51 | JeffM2501 | it'd be a pain in the butt yeah |
| 07:38.59 | JeffM2501 | better to just fix what got busted |
| 07:39.03 | uso | ok :) |
| 07:39.08 | JeffM2501 | the method of font rendering is the same |
| 07:39.14 | JeffM2501 | it just changed code some |
| 07:39.20 | JeffM2501 | somone busted it |
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| 07:40.04 | uso | unfortunatly i cannnot compare the effects directly bacause in 1.10 i cannnot switch off console |
| 07:40.22 | uso | in 2.0 it coasts me 60% of my frame rate |
| 07:40.43 | JeffM2501 | cvs should be faster |
| 07:40.53 | uso | it's cvs |
| 07:41.11 | JeffM2501 | smoothing on or off? |
| 07:41.19 | uso | although 2 days ago meanwhile |
| 07:41.41 | uso | on i think, have to check |
| 07:41.47 | JeffM2501 | try off |
| 07:42.03 | JeffM2501 | ATI card or you GF2go? |
| 07:46.24 | uso | ati card |
| 07:46.38 | uso | smoothing doesn't make much difference |
| 07:47.02 | uso | frame rates are a little bit higher without smoothing |
| 07:47.14 | uso | but ratio is quite the same |
| 07:47.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah problem seems most with ATI cards |
| 07:47.54 | JeffM2501 | they slowdown on a lot of scaled texture blits |
| 07:48.36 | uso | have to check my laptop with 2.0, but have it not here now |
| 07:48.47 | JeffM2501 | probably should add a mode that loads the texture with no mip map, and then does the draw with no scale |
| 07:49.45 | JeffM2501 | could also be related to your drivers |
| 07:50.09 | uso | yes, thats the other job i have to do |
| 07:50.31 | JeffM2501 | scaled list draw "shold" be just as fast as any other draw in the game |
| 07:51.33 | uso | what i do not really understand, meanwhile i have pretty high frame rates, but still a jitter or jerking while rotating the tank |
| 07:52.45 | JeffM2501 | how high is "pretty high" ? |
| 07:53.35 | uso | if i have only a few objects in view field and it's an idle game (no enemies, no movement) it goes above 90 fps even with console |
| 07:53.42 | uso | 230 fps without console |
| 07:53.50 | JeffM2501 | that sunds prety good |
| 07:53.57 | JeffM2501 | anything over your refresh is excess |
| 07:54.02 | JeffM2501 | are you vsyncing? |
| 07:54.04 | uso | yes |
| 07:54.18 | JeffM2501 | then you can't get FPS that high |
| 07:54.21 | JeffM2501 | ever |
| 07:54.33 | JeffM2501 | VSYCNC locks it to your refresh |
| 07:54.41 | uso | but with console it still jerkes and gets blurred if i turn the tank |
| 07:54.58 | JeffM2501 | your not vsyncing then |
| 07:55.02 | ruskie | <-- has the same prob with an ati card :) |
| 07:55.16 | ruskie | vsync on and off |
| 07:55.16 | uso | opps, the yes does not mean the vsync |
| 07:55.28 | ruskie | it tears the view from time to time |
| 07:55.37 | uso | i could not find a setting to do vsync, it's still off |
| 07:55.52 | ruskie | using atis drivers? |
| 07:56.02 | uso | ruskie: linux? |
| 07:56.05 | JeffM2501 | he's using DRI |
| 07:56.09 | ruskie | uso, yup |
| 07:56.12 | JeffM2501 | so he's got 1/2 ass support |
| 07:56.33 | ruskie | dri is quite good acctually... only thing is it doesn't suport anything above 9200 really good |
| 07:56.34 | uso | ruskie: with ati drivers? |
| 07:56.55 | ruskie | uso, yup |
| 07:57.20 | ruskie | can't get dri to work with the r9250 yet... |
| 07:57.29 | uso | hmm, bad to hear, was my hope as i'm using XFree drivers |
| 07:57.49 | ruskie | uso, what card? |
| 07:58.02 | uso | 9250 is crippled imho, only 64bit bus |
| 07:58.06 | uso | 9200 |
| 07:58.13 | uso | with 128 bit |
| 07:58.31 | ruskie | 9200 should work with dri(if you compile it from dri.sf.net cvs) or you can try ati driver... |
| 07:58.48 | JeffM2501 | work is relitive |
| 07:58.51 | ruskie | uso, I don't need a powerfull card... I don't play much fps games other than bzflag :)) |
| 07:58.53 | uso | dri works, no problem |
| 07:58.55 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure DRI will bring up an image |
| 07:59.04 | uso | i wouldnt get 200 fps without it :) |
| 07:59.07 | JeffM2501 | will it be the right one, and be as fast as posible.... |
| 07:59.20 | ruskie | <-- is just waiting for the open-graphics adapter |
| 07:59.24 | JeffM2501 | I'd trust the people who made the card to make the driver |
| 07:59.32 | uso | ruskie: :) |
| 07:59.40 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, build one |
| 08:00.02 | JeffM2501 | be sure to get your openCPU too |
| 08:00.17 | uso | i will try the ati drivers, but as ruskie said they seem to have the same problem |
| 08:00.43 | JeffM2501 | I know ATI hardware has problems with bounding rejons |
| 08:00.56 | JeffM2501 | it may have problems with orthographic scales as well |
| 08:01.13 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, no thanks, I like my cheap nvidia cards |
| 08:01.49 | ruskie | <-- doesn't want to go there so he steps away from that trap... |
| 08:02.20 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 08:02.21 | uso | although framerate drops down in a real game 2.0 is fairly playable now without the console |
| 08:02.45 | uso | but only without ;) |
| 08:03.01 | ruskie | <-- has console and get's 30-50 fps |
| 08:03.13 | ruskie | vsync on or off |
| 08:03.25 | JeffM2501 | well that won't mater if your under 70 |
| 08:03.26 | ruskie | though with on it drops down to 20 a lot of times |
| 08:03.30 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 08:03.53 | ruskie | and with on the tearing is worse |
| 08:03.54 | uso | i have 30-50 fps too, with console |
| 08:03.56 | JeffM2501 | what cpu? |
| 08:03.59 | ruskie | xp1900+ |
| 08:04.28 | uso | hehe |
| 08:04.30 | JeffM2501 | somone with one of those cards and GL knowledge will have to try and see what's so slow with font rendering |
| 08:05.41 | JeffM2501 | that's prety slow |
| 08:05.56 | uso | ok, i have reduced resolution to 1024x768 and use only 16 bit |
| 08:05.58 | ruskie | btw I have everything on in the video menu down to the depth buffer option |
| 08:06.03 | uso | for colors |
| 08:06.30 | JeffM2501 | none of those setings realy affect font drawing |
| 08:07.13 | JeffM2501 | those are disabled for fonts and hud images anyway |
| 08:07.46 | uso | but lightning in general coasts me much frames |
| 08:08.50 | JeffM2501 | it should not on any modern card |
| 08:08.54 | JeffM2501 | the card handles lighting |
| 08:09.12 | JeffM2501 | unless your driver is pusing it to CPU |
| 08:09.13 | uso | oops, no |
| 08:09.25 | JeffM2501 | shadows yeah |
| 08:09.26 | ruskie | <-- am really wondering what performance my old r7500 would have had with 2.0 |
| 08:09.30 | uso | fps are nearly the same, independent of lightning |
| 08:10.46 | uso | hehe, have a matrox g200, reaches only 20-30 fps with 1.10 and lowest quality settings :) |
| 08:11.05 | JeffM2501 | well yeah that is not even a 3d card |
| 08:11.13 | uso | i know :) |
| 08:11.15 | JeffM2501 | the CPU has to do all the geometry transforms |
| 08:11.28 | JeffM2501 | the 7500, best of luck on that one in linux |
| 08:11.34 | uso | but it was a really good 2d card |
| 08:11.46 | JeffM2501 | it was an ok 2d card |
| 08:12.18 | ruskie | JeffM2501, I played bzflag 1.x with it for a long time |
| 08:12.22 | ruskie | using dri for the drivers |
| 08:12.29 | ruskie | it was damn good one |
| 08:12.29 | uso | for the time it comes out it was good (at least for the price) |
| 08:12.40 | JeffM2501 | for 1.x Im sure it was fine |
| 08:12.43 | ruskie | to bad it seems it got fried by something |
| 08:12.46 | JeffM2501 | 1.x used a fraction of GL |
| 08:12.50 | ruskie | JeffM2501, I played ut2k4 with it :)) |
| 08:12.51 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 uses a lot more |
| 08:13.00 | ruskie | with 20+ fps |
| 08:13.07 | JeffM2501 | why bother |
| 08:13.38 | ruskie | but anyways... bzflag owns all other games... |
| 08:13.47 | JeffM2501 | no it dosn't |
| 08:13.49 | JeffM2501 | not by a long shot |
| 08:13.51 | ruskie | there should be an artilery option for it imho... |
| 08:14.14 | JeffM2501 | then it would not be bzflag |
| 08:14.14 | ruskie | basicaly all tanks get random seeded around the field and can only fire ballistic weaponry... |
| 08:14.30 | JeffM2501 | umm just go play scorch 3d |
| 08:14.35 | ruskie | that's crappy... |
| 08:14.46 | JeffM2501 | it's what your describing |
| 08:14.55 | uso | would be a completely different mode |
| 08:15.04 | JeffM2501 | it would be a difrent game |
| 08:15.07 | ruskie | yeah but bzflag atleast looks good and works... |
| 08:15.08 | JeffM2501 | branch it up |
| 08:15.34 | JeffM2501 | bz dosn't even have proper shadows |
| 08:15.43 | ruskie | so... |
| 08:15.56 | JeffM2501 | every engine made in the past 5 years has em |
| 08:15.59 | JeffM2501 | even the free ones |
| 08:16.03 | ruskie | so... |
| 08:16.07 | uso | for me it must not have the latest graphics gimmics |
| 08:16.19 | JeffM2501 | then it dosn't look as good as it can |
| 08:16.23 | ruskie | for me it must have one thing and one thing only... playability |
| 08:16.31 | JeffM2501 | shadows add depth |
| 08:16.35 | uso | although your oak trees look nice :) |
| 08:16.37 | ruskie | even if the graphics are shitty etc... |
| 08:16.37 | JeffM2501 | you could have black tanks hide in them :) |
| 08:16.41 | JeffM2501 | that oak tree |
| 08:16.45 | JeffM2501 | that is from quake 3 |
| 08:17.08 | JeffM2501 | from some people who can make proper art |
| 08:17.11 | uso | playabilyty is much more important |
| 08:17.32 | JeffM2501 | some people like simple games |
| 08:17.38 | JeffM2501 | some people like something more |
| 08:17.44 | uso | and a good team which knows the rules of ctf ... but thats not what the sources can fix ;) |
| 08:17.52 | ruskie | yeah sadly |
| 08:18.10 | ruskie | JeffM2501, and some ppl like to drool instead of play... |
| 08:18.29 | ruskie | <-- has yet to play a game because of the visauls/sounds etc... stuff... |
| 08:18.43 | ruskie | I only play games that I can play for ages without getting bored of them... |
| 08:18.43 | JeffM2501 | never played halo have you :) |
| 08:18.54 | JeffM2501 | how quaint :) |
| 08:18.55 | ruskie | i.e. settlers 2(widelands on linux) |
| 08:19.08 | JeffM2501 | I prefer games that change as you play them and have persitant worlds |
| 08:19.37 | uso | settlers on linux? |
| 08:19.45 | ruskie | uso, yup... goes by the name widelands |
| 08:19.54 | ruskie | acctually quite playable already... |
| 08:20.59 | uso | bzflag is the only "egoshooter" i have played that much :) |
| 08:21.12 | uso | because of it's teamplay |
| 08:21.31 | ruskie | I played cs for about 3 months... then I haven't touched another shooter for ages until bzflag.. |
| 08:22.00 | JeffM2501 | I didn't like CS |
| 08:22.26 | ruskie | I loved the various weaponry... |
| 08:22.39 | JeffM2501 | most other modern shooters have those now :) |
| 08:22.55 | ruskie | or an mp5 or a p90 |
| 08:23.13 | ruskie | hmmm flag idea.... add a flag that fires like a shotgun... |
| 08:23.40 | JeffM2501 | it's been sugested many many times |
| 08:23.50 | ruskie | ohh it has? |
| 08:23.57 | ruskie | so what's the problem then? |
| 08:23.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 08:24.01 | JeffM2501 | noone did it |
| 08:24.05 | ruskie | ahhh |
| 08:24.18 | ruskie | maybe someone will do it once.. |
| 08:24.34 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 08:24.36 | ruskie | but the key to a good shotgun flag would be to fire random dispersal all the time... |
| 08:24.40 | JeffM2501 | maybe not |
| 08:24.48 | uso | so nobody of the developers really like it :) |
| 08:24.51 | JeffM2501 | patches welcome |
| 08:24.59 | JeffM2501 | noone has ever goten all hot for it |
| 08:25.07 | ruskie | <-- doesn't have a clue on how to code... |
| 08:25.22 | JeffM2501 | the game has so many other problems, adding new flags is not high on most people's prioritys |
| 08:25.35 | JeffM2501 | also new flags can only go in on a major break |
| 08:26.25 | uso | in opposite, 2.0 has added/changed too much flags for me |
| 08:26.43 | JeffM2501 | it has what 5-6 new flags? |
| 08:27.01 | JeffM2501 | those all came from patches |
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| 08:27.44 | uso | whings do not have a real counterpart, agility makes the game more random then skill dependend and changed PZ creates something like a shadow world |
| 08:28.01 | JeffM2501 | wings came from a joke version |
| 08:28.24 | ruskie | well wings should have some strong counterpart... |
| 08:28.32 | ruskie | agility is to random in some cases... |
| 08:28.35 | JeffM2501 | like oh say GM? |
| 08:28.41 | JeffM2501 | agility is useless |
| 08:28.43 | ruskie | like it works one time and doesn't the other |
| 08:28.55 | ruskie | I actually like agility... |
| 08:29.07 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, Agility useless? heh |
| 08:29.10 | ruskie | basicaly enhanced thief if you know how to use it... without the thief... |
| 08:29.38 | uso | like a net to catch a winged tank :) |
| 08:29.45 | JeffM2501 | you mean like GM? |
| 08:30.22 | JeffM2501 | and there isn't anything that says the server op is suposed to mix all flags |
| 08:30.24 | ruskie | hmm there should be a slow bullet like thing... basicaly if you shot a tank it slows down...(if it doesn't have a high speed/thief/agility flag... |
| 08:31.01 | uso | gm is somewhat too weak for wings as it has limits in z direction |
| 08:31.13 | ruskie | gm has limits in all directions... |
| 08:31.18 | JeffM2501 | so ballance it at the server level |
| 08:31.40 | JeffM2501 | wings tanks don't move faster |
| 08:31.43 | ruskie | wings could be countered with a net as uso said... basicaly you hit it with a net and disable the wings for a few seconds... |
| 08:31.49 | JeffM2501 | so if GM can get people on the ground, it can get flyers |
| 08:31.56 | uso | JeffM2501: ok, but most of them enable all the new gimmics ... aehh flags ;) |
| 08:32.08 | JeffM2501 | sounds like poor server admin then |
| 08:32.18 | JeffM2501 | we can't do all thinigs in the code for you. |
| 08:32.36 | ruskie | you can't blame us for trying you to do it :)) |
| 08:32.43 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 08:32.44 | JeffM2501 | yes I can |
| 08:32.59 | JeffM2501 | our job is to give options, not to tell people how to play the game |
| 08:33.02 | uso | 2.0 puts more responsibility to the server admins |
| 08:33.08 | JeffM2501 | not everyone plays your way |
| 08:33.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah it gives them a LOT more power too |
| 08:33.23 | JeffM2501 | with power comes responsibility |
| 08:33.23 | ruskie | <-- goes to play... |
| 08:33.47 | JeffM2501 | <----- goes to sleep |
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| 10:38.47 | osu | has there anything changed with viper last 2 or 3 days? registration? i cannot connect anymore |
| 10:50.55 | uso | i shouldn't have registered there :( |
| 10:52.00 | uso | g' night |
| 11:24.04 | Pimpinella | uso: already sleeping |
| 11:24.08 | Pimpinella | ? |
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| 12:15.10 | cristi | hi |
| 12:15.12 | cristi | :) |
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| 14:42.44 | Argunus_Ru | hey all |
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| 14:54.14 | Argunus_Ru | hi all |
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| 17:23.28 | Birdie | hey gina |
| 17:24.07 | gina | hey Birdie |
| 17:28.40 | jpa_ | hi people |
| 17:28.52 | Birdie | hi jpa_ |
| 17:29.00 | jpa_ | ~Birdie++ |
| 17:29.09 | Birdie | i still like you:) |
| 17:29.27 | gina | heh |
| 17:29.34 | gina | Birdie: jpa_ is a guy |
| 17:29.43 | gina | lol |
| 17:29.45 | jpa_ | so? |
| 17:29.58 | Birdie | hm cant you just like people without thinking on the wrong way;) |
| 17:29.58 | jpa_ | birdie is a chich |
| 17:29.59 | gina | ~jpa_++ |
| 17:30.08 | jpa_ | *chick |
| 17:30.13 | gina | hmmm |
| 17:31.06 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 17:31.18 | jpa_ | hopefully i didn't start a fight or anything like that |
| 17:31.41 | Birdie | we are belgiums we never fight:) |
| 17:31.52 | jpa_ | ah |
| 17:32.06 | jpa_ | i feel sorry for you |
| 17:32.18 | jpa_ | but not everyone can born to be a finn |
| 17:32.41 | Birdie | lol!Ƨ |
| 17:32.47 | jpa_ | humm.. how, let me ask? |
| 17:32.49 | Birdie | ~gender birdie |
| 17:32.51 | ibot | birdie is female |
| 17:32.55 | Birdie | tss |
| 17:33.00 | Birdie | who gave him that??? |
| 17:33.04 | jpa_ | it isn't so easy to determine a birds gender |
| 17:33.28 | DTRemenak | ~gender jpa_ |
| 17:33.30 | ibot | jpa_ is cowboyneal |
| 17:33.35 | DTRemenak | eek |
| 17:33.40 | jpa_ | ~gender DTRemenak |
| 17:33.42 | ibot | DTRemenak is female |
| 17:33.46 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 17:33.50 | jpa_ | ~gender gina |
| 17:33.52 | ibot | gina is male |
| 17:33.52 | Birdie | male |
| 17:33.55 | Birdie | hehe |
| 17:33.57 | jpa_ | i knew that too! |
| 17:33.58 | Birdie | i knew it! |
| 17:34.00 | gina | HEH |
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| 17:34.08 | gina | mmmmmmmmmm |
| 17:34.11 | jpa_ | i even told him that once |
| 17:34.31 | DTRemenak | ~gender ibot |
| 17:34.34 | ibot | ibot is male |
| 17:34.39 | gina | ~gender gina |
| 17:34.42 | ibot | gina is neuter |
| 17:34.45 | gina | lol |
| 17:34.46 | Birdie | lol |
| 17:34.47 | gina | mmmm |
| 17:34.50 | gina | problematic |
| 17:34.50 | Birdie | both;) |
| 17:35.08 | DTRemenak | ~gender Noodle-sensei |
| 17:35.12 | ibot | Noodle-sensei is hermaphroditic |
| 17:35.17 | DTRemenak | figures :) |
| 17:35.31 | gina | next time I'm pregnant |
| 17:35.49 | jpa_ | uh |
| 17:35.54 | jpa_ | you have planned it? |
| 17:36.08 | gina | yeah |
| 17:36.42 | jpa_ | will you name him/her gina junior? |
| 17:36.58 | Noodle-sensei | i'm a girl, you idiot |
| 17:37.15 | jpa_ | Noodle-sensei: we know that.. |
| 17:37.18 | gina | probably not jpa :) |
| 17:37.27 | Noodle-sensei | hehe |
| 17:37.28 | jpa_ | Noodle-sensei: while now we know that you are also miriam |
| 17:37.35 | JeffM2501 | tucker is an interesting name for a girl |
| 17:37.50 | gina | i'll call her tanky |
| 17:37.52 | Noodle-sensei | JeffM2501: there's always got to be a first |
| 17:38.16 | jpa_ | jeff is also an interesting name for a girl |
| 17:38.23 | gina | very |
| 17:38.42 | Birdie | gina for a boy |
| 17:38.45 | Noodle-sensei | i shall call her 'jeffi' |
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| 17:38.48 | Birdie | the boy would like it |
| 17:41.04 | jpa_ | Birdie <3 |
| 17:41.07 | jpa_ | gina <3 |
| 17:42.56 | JeffM2501 | I was to be Jenifer |
| 17:43.01 | JeffM2501 | but I came out wrong |
| 17:43.19 | Birdie | lol |
| 17:43.22 | Birdie | you had something to much;) |
| 17:43.28 | jpa_ | ew, that would have been good for you |
| 17:43.44 | jpa_ | ~JeniferM2501++ |
| 17:44.01 | jpa_ | if you decide to change your name, you've got some karma already :) |
| 17:44.18 | JeffM2501 | gee thanks |
| 17:44.26 | DTRemenak | I bet Jennifer would have been quite a bit different than Jeff :) |
| 17:44.32 | JeffM2501 | My cousin is named Jenefer, so no I won't be changing it |
| 17:45.03 | jpa_ | DTRemenak: why so? :) |
| 17:45.12 | JeffM2501 | wow do the apple sample code projects suck |
| 17:45.48 | brlcad | tanky's the name of my turtle |
| 17:46.04 | DTRemenak | brlcad: cute :) got a pic? |
| 17:46.47 | brlcad | DTRemenak: unfortunately no |
| 17:46.48 | DTRemenak | jpa_: you are one :P |
| 17:47.05 | JeffM2501 | do you put a flag on it every so often? |
| 17:47.11 | brlcad | I found him walking around outside of work a couple years ago |
| 17:47.21 | brlcad | he was almost exactly the size of a quarter |
| 17:47.26 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 17:47.31 | DTRemenak | how big is he now? |
| 17:47.51 | brlcad | now he's about as big as my palm |
| 17:48.21 | DTRemenak | cool. still growing, or finished? |
| 17:49.10 | jpa_ | will you cook him as food someday? |
| 17:49.21 | DTRemenak | ~lart jpa_ |
| 17:49.41 | DTRemenak | is it just me, or is ibot getting more vicious? |
| 17:49.46 | jpa_ | did i say something wrong? |
| 17:53.10 | SportChick | ~gender SportChick |
| 17:53.13 | ibot | SportChick is cowboyneal |
| 17:53.37 | jpa_ | you too! |
| 17:53.43 | jpa_ | we are identical |
| 17:53.52 | Birdie | hi sportchick |
| 17:53.58 | DTRemenak | heya SportChick |
| 17:53.59 | SportChick | hi all |
| 17:54.33 | SportChick | what is a "cowboyneal"? |
| 17:54.38 | SportChick | ~gender SportChick |
| 17:54.40 | ibot | SportChick is male |
| 17:54.43 | SportChick | hrm |
| 17:54.58 | SportChick | ~gender SportChick |
| 17:55.00 | ibot | SportChick is female |
| 17:55.03 | SportChick | hehe |
| 17:55.38 | SportChick | ibot is a bit of a split personality, eh? |
| 17:55.40 | jpa_ | nope |
| 17:55.40 | jpa_ | i'm the one with split personality |
| 17:58.31 | DTRemenak | SportChick: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1310897 |
| 18:00.51 | SportChick | DTRemenak: weird |
| 18:01.34 | jpa_ | i still don't get it |
| 18:01.41 | jpa_ | ~dict neal |
| 18:01.49 | SportChick | jpa_: it's a throw-in |
| 18:02.01 | jpa_ | humm.. so it is a melten cowboy? |
| 18:02.11 | bryjen | http://sourceforge.net/users/cowboyneal/ |
| 18:02.16 | SportChick | jpa_: neal is also a name |
| 18:03.56 | Birdie | ~sportchick++ |
| 18:04.01 | Birdie | for all your lag problems:) |
| 18:04.03 | DTRemenak | bryjen: perhaps more importantly, http://slashdot.org/~CowboyNeal |
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| 18:06.36 | Birdie | many man will cry now |
| 18:06.59 | jpa_ | or hmm |
| 18:07.11 | jpa_ | so was it a software problem or not? |
| 18:07.23 | JeffM2501 | noone knows |
| 18:07.28 | JeffM2501 | it keeps hapening |
| 18:07.29 | SportChick | DTRemenak: so you're gonna give up that easily? |
| 18:07.38 | jpa_ | i might make live-linux-bzflag-only-gaming-cd |
| 18:07.39 | DTRemenak | SportChick: never said I gave up |
| 18:07.50 | SportChick | DTRemenak: :) |
| 18:07.56 | DTRemenak | just that I have no clue what's wrong, and that makes it very hard to fix :( |
| 18:08.11 | SportChick | yeah, tell me about it. |
| 18:08.25 | SportChick | JeffM2501: you still think the algo may be borked? |
| 18:08.27 | Birdie | you use windows ? |
| 18:08.33 | SportChick | Birdie: xp |
| 18:08.41 | JeffM2501 | I don't trust smothing |
| 18:08.52 | JeffM2501 | but if you say it's realy jittery in play then it dosnt' mater |
| 18:08.58 | DTRemenak | hm, escristian...I think I recall that callsign from somewhere. welcome to #bzflag |
| 18:09.02 | JeffM2501 | the algo won't make jitter |
| 18:09.05 | Birdie | its maybe a stupid solution..but a format? |
| 18:09.20 | JeffM2501 | Birdie, other versions work |
| 18:09.26 | SportChick | JeffM2501: generally ~I~ don't see the jitter, but others do and complain |
| 18:09.34 | JeffM2501 | well yeah you never see your own lag |
| 18:09.43 | JeffM2501 | since you are allways ping 0 to yourself :) |
| 18:09.50 | blast007 | SportChick: yeah, I think I noticed it yesterday ;) |
| 18:10.18 | jpa_ | hmm |
| 18:10.23 | SportChick | blast007: yeah, I'm not surprised. It's just disheartening to be kicked by fellow admins because they don't wanna deal with you rlag |
| 18:10.37 | jpa_ | i think i'll have some time at the weekend |
| 18:10.39 | JeffM2501 | what is your base lag? |
| 18:10.45 | jpa_ | so i'll make a cd for sportchick := |
| 18:10.51 | SportChick | if I'm at home, it's 32 |
| 18:11.01 | SportChick | here in berkeley, it's more like 60-something |
| 18:11.13 | JeffM2501 | unless the jitter is like 100 or so, I don't see that affecting the game much |
| 18:11.16 | DTRemenak | SportChick: so you get the same symptoms on different connections? that's good to know |
| 18:11.52 | SportChick | JeffM2501: the jitter is generally between 23-40 at home. It's a bit higher up here, between 23-50-something |
| 18:12.17 | SportChick | DTRemenak: yes, we established that last time I was up here. Still had jitter on a direct connection, different IP |
| 18:12.17 | JeffM2501 | still that puts you at a max lag at 85, that is still realy good |
| 18:12.22 | SportChick | s/IP/ISP |
| 18:12.34 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see a log of her raw lag, sans any smothing |
| 18:12.40 | JeffM2501 | to see if shes spiking. |
| 18:13.10 | SportChick | JeffM2501: how do we do that? |
| 18:13.15 | SportChick | is it something I need to install? |
| 18:13.18 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:13.21 | SportChick | server-side? |
| 18:13.30 | JeffM2501 | somoeone hacks up a client to log the lag |
| 18:13.31 | blast007 | I'm not sure what all has been done, but has a different network card been tried? |
| 18:13.34 | JeffM2501 | and time stamp it. |
| 18:13.43 | JeffM2501 | blast007it's a lapy |
| 18:14.01 | blast007 | yeah, I know, but like a PCMCIA vs the built-in |
| 18:14.17 | JeffM2501 | dono if she ahs one |
| 18:14.27 | JeffM2501 | but if it was the NIC then other versions would not work |
| 18:14.28 | SportChick | extra network card? no i don't |
| 18:14.30 | JeffM2501 | and they do |
| 18:15.15 | SportChick | blast007: one of the particularly troubling things about all this is that I had no jitter whatsoever on 1.10. It all began instantaneously with the switch to 2.0 |
| 18:15.21 | blast007 | still, that's something I would try...it could be a combination of things with the new version |
| 18:18.00 | escristian | Hello Dtremenak, I'm actually the kid working on the bzflag univeristy project |
| 18:18.13 | escristian | you answered some questions i had on the forums thanks |
| 18:18.16 | DTRemenak | oh yeah, that's right :) |
| 18:18.24 | brlcad | heh "the kid" :) |
| 18:18.27 | escristian | lol |
| 18:18.44 | escristian | ye i still like to think of myself as a kid |
| 18:19.34 | escristian | too bad my project is in french you guys would probably find it useful |
| 18:20.05 | escristian | at least the Class model part |
| 18:21.22 | brlcad | parle vous espaƱol? :) |
| 18:21.33 | DTRemenak | we could probably find someone to do a rough translation. Valoche or mmu_man might be willing. |
| 18:22.43 | escristian | yes i speak spanish too |
| 18:22.56 | escristian | and i could also do a simple translation |
| 18:23.03 | escristian | just after exams :( |
| 18:23.44 | escristian | basically i have to do a revese engineer of the architecture pinting out strengths and weaknesses |
| 18:23.57 | DTRemenak | there are strengths? ;) |
| 18:24.00 | escristian | and study the developement process involved |
| 18:24.03 | escristian | it works |
| 18:24.09 | escristian | thats more then many games can say |
| 18:24.12 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 18:26.21 | bryjen | JeffM2501: most players show zero or single digit jitter. after the stat gets a bit into double-digits (15, 20+), things start to get bad. |
| 18:26.32 | brlcad | You're posting bz to the original gameboy?! cool. |
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| 18:26.54 | DTRemenak | it would be interesting to read. and probably useful :) we can wait until after exams though, those are more important. (that sounds so hypocritical considering that I am supposed to be taking a chem final right now :S) |
| 18:26.57 | bryjen | that may not make a lot of sense if you trust those as real ms measurements, but its what i've observed |
| 18:27.13 | escristian | ye i hate chem |
| 18:27.36 | escristian | ok i'm gonna get my irc client working, right now i'm on the web interface adn i dont like it |
| 18:27.48 | DTRemenak | heh :) a real client is always better |
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| 18:30.58 | escristian | ok got it to work |
| 18:31.18 | DTRemenak | :) |
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| 18:36.57 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, that is why I wonder how the stat relates to real jitter. I'd like to see real pings. |
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| 19:06.20 | jpa_ | hi people |
| 19:06.30 | jpa_ | (includes brad2901 and Thumper_) |
| 19:06.53 | ruskie | :)) |
| 19:06.57 | jpa_ | and ruskie |
| 19:06.58 | ruskie | what about the rest of us :( |
| 19:07.00 | ruskie | ahhh |
| 19:07.04 | jpa_ | and sportchick |
| 19:07.14 | jpa_ | SportChick: it would be easier server-side |
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| 19:07.35 | jpa_ | SportChick: but it is not weekend already, and you didn't tell if i'll get a hug if i help you |
| 19:08.36 | SportChick | jpa_: are you saying you only help people if you get something in return? |
| 19:08.42 | JeffM2501 | somone has to figure out where to even log the lag |
| 19:08.55 | bendy24 | jpa_: i'll hug you |
| 19:08.58 | JeffM2501 | MeBigFatGuy was the last one in there IIRC |
| 19:09.05 | jpa_ | SportChick: yes |
| 19:09.31 | jpa_ | SportChick: i'm evil, anyway |
| 19:09.58 | bendy24 | :D |
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| 19:13.27 | brad2901 | hi jpa_, sry for the late reply |
| 19:14.11 | brad2901 | ok.. |
| 19:14.32 | jpa_ | will you tell me the differences between classical greek art and middle-age european art? |
| 19:15.20 | brad2901 | was that question aimed at me? |
| 19:15.30 | jpa_ | yes |
| 19:15.41 | brad2901 | umm, no then :) |
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| 19:15.56 | brad2901 | Why would I know? |
| 19:16.20 | jpa_ | you should |
| 19:16.35 | jpa_ | it is my history homework, so you should give me the answers |
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| 19:17.06 | brad2901 | me? I don't have a clue what you're talking about |
| 19:17.26 | JeffM2501 | kids should help each other out. |
| 19:17.52 | ruskie | hmmm no clue there either... |
| 19:19.25 | jpa_ | :( |
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| 19:29.07 | jpa_ | hi gina <3 |
| 19:29.19 | ruskie | lo gina |
| 19:32.35 | jpa_ | gina: i saw you! |
| 19:33.06 | gina | what's <3 |
| 19:33.12 | gina | and what did you see ???????????? |
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| 19:33.59 | JeffM2501 | i belive it's a heart |
| 19:34.01 | bendy24 | gina: <3 is an emoticon |
| 19:34.10 | JeffM2501 | or some boobs |
| 19:34.12 | JeffM2501 | or a butt |
| 19:34.18 | gina | heh |
| 19:34.42 | bendy24 | JeffM2501: you wish |
| 19:34.46 | bendy24 | :P |
| 19:35.05 | JeffM2501 | I wish for a heart? |
| 19:35.14 | bendy24 | no |
| 19:35.19 | bendy24 | for boobs and butt |
| 19:35.36 | JeffM2501 | why would I want boobs? |
| 19:35.49 | bendy24 | ... |
| 19:35.52 | JeffM2501 | and last time I checked I had a butt |
| 19:36.14 | gina | . |
| 19:36.20 | gina | both |
| 19:36.23 | gina | :p |
| 19:36.43 | JeffM2501 | glad everythings accounted for |
| 19:37.06 | bendy24 | gina: mind if i verify? |
| 19:37.28 | JeffM2501 | and the pervs roll on it |
| 19:37.37 | bendy24 | anyways... |
| 19:37.38 | gina | heh |
| 19:37.41 | gina | yeah I do |
| 19:39.40 | JeffM2501 | I'm still betting it's a heart |
| 19:43.11 | jpa_ | yup |
| 19:43.16 | jpa_ | it was a heart |
| 19:43.22 | jpa_ | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 19:49.52 | JeffM2501 | $24.. not too bad |
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| 19:51.57 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:53.06 | brlcad | yesterday was *nix, today it's WinRG |
| 19:53.08 | brlcad | http://www.cs.umd.edu/~meou/Flashes/WINRG/WINRG.html |
| 19:53.29 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 19:54.07 | brlcad | hehe, /me liks the Help menu |
| 19:56.02 | JeffM2501 | this isn't a return |
| 19:56.24 | DTRemenak | personally, I like word :) |
| 19:56.32 | blast007 | DTRemenak: hehe, yeah ;) |
| 19:56.53 | bendy24 | i've never done them myself... |
| 19:56.59 | bendy24 | should be interesting |
| 19:57.14 | bendy24 | i think i can even do it online |
| 19:58.23 | bendy24 | brlcad: in canadiana? |
| 19:59.37 | brlcad | started looking at the forms around 11pm the night they were due .. went on-line and had them done by about 11:30pm .. that was a 4-form return too that would have taken me at least 4 hours to do by hand |
| 20:00.42 | brlcad | having done several complicated returns over the past 10 years by hand.. electronically was way cool |
| 20:05.01 | gina | bwaaah |
| 20:05.07 | jpa_ | i..need..sleep |
| 20:06.29 | gina | this winrg reboots waay easier as winXP |
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| 20:24.33 | rabbit25 | hi |
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| 20:52.12 | rabbit25 | anyone want to play 1 vs 1? |
| 20:54.06 | bendy24 | only if you are the rabit |
| 20:54.11 | bendy24 | rabbit even |
| 20:54.30 | rabbit25 | sure |
| 20:54.35 | rabbit25 | :) |
| 21:25.07 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, got any non glut openGL samples for OSX? or should I just look and see what bz does for an example? |
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| 22:41.58 | brlcad | JeffM2501: hmm.. |
| 22:42.12 | Tupone | hiya brlcad |
| 22:42.40 | brlcad | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/GraphicsImaging/Conceptual/OpenGL/index.html is a start |
| 22:42.47 | brlcad | Core OpenGL section |
| 22:42.49 | brlcad | howdy tupone |
| 22:43.14 | Tupone | brlcad: what about freezing what we have ? |
| 22:45.12 | brlcad | I don't usually get that cold |
| 22:45.16 | brlcad | a light jacket works for me |
| 22:45.40 | JeffM2501 | that's in cocoa |
| 22:45.41 | Tupone | ohh, is that worm ? |
| 22:45.44 | JeffM2501 | not carbon |
| 22:45.52 | JeffM2501 | tho it's probalby same |
| 22:45.55 | brlcad | JeffM2501: Core OpenGL |
| 22:46.15 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 22:46.23 | JeffM2501 | so it's just CGL stuff |
| 22:46.36 | brlcad | CGL does the deed |
| 22:46.59 | JeffM2501 | do they consider a window with GL an "off screen" context? |
| 22:47.00 | brlcad | Core Graphics will give you the best performance too |
| 22:47.42 | brlcad | heh.. did you go to the Introducing Core OpenGL section? :) |
| 22:47.50 | brlcad | "How to Create an Off-Screen Context" |
| 22:47.56 | JeffM2501 | I'm reading it |
| 22:48.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm just not seting what they mean by "off screeN" |
| 22:48.11 | JeffM2501 | seeing |
| 22:48.53 | brlcad | it's a buffer of memory that's marked as an offscreen context via CGLSetOffScreen |
| 22:49.04 | brlcad | then you CGLSetCurrentContext |
| 22:49.10 | JeffM2501 | what is a regular window with GL in it called then? |
| 22:49.19 | JeffM2501 | I'd asume it's not an "offscreen" nor a fullscreen |
| 22:49.45 | brlcad | it's a direct display if it's not offscreen |
| 22:50.40 | JeffM2501 | hmm no section on that |
| 22:50.49 | JeffM2501 | tho I'd asume that it would be the default |
| 22:50.55 | JeffM2501 | I'll play with it when I get home |
| 22:51.03 | brlcad | the full screen example is a direct display |
| 22:51.37 | JeffM2501 | I'd want it atached to a window |
| 22:52.13 | JeffM2501 | probably what the NULL is in the create context |
| 22:52.17 | JeffM2501 | you've goten me a start |
| 22:52.18 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 22:54.26 | brlcad | http://developer.apple.com/samplecode/Carbon_CGL/Carbon_CGL.html |
| 22:55.00 | brlcad | that's a pretty complete example |
| 22:55.20 | JeffM2501 | well I still have to learn how to process events too :) |
| 22:55.29 | JeffM2501 | and map them to editor calls |
| 22:55.30 | brlcad | that has events :) |
| 22:55.53 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 22:55.55 | brlcad | covers context changes, resizes, mouse/key/event inputs |
| 22:56.00 | JeffM2501 | nice |
| 22:56.02 | brlcad | a run loop |
| 22:56.22 | brlcad | fair amount of debug info |
| 22:56.26 | JeffM2501 | hmm they still on a loop? they haven't gone back to callbacks? |
| 22:56.36 | JeffM2501 | not back, I mean to |
| 22:56.54 | JeffM2501 | is it still "wait next event"? kinda polling? |
| 22:57.38 | brlcad | no no .. there are callbacks |
| 22:57.43 | JeffM2501 | ahh good |
| 22:57.52 | JeffM2501 | I'd hoped they'd goten better :) |
| 22:57.52 | brlcad | there's an application run loop somewhere though :) |
| 22:57.56 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 22:58.06 | JeffM2501 | as long as it's not like system 6 |
| 22:58.12 | JeffM2501 | with the big ass case statement |
| 22:58.19 | JeffM2501 | and dispatching stuff to each window |
| 22:58.29 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.29 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.47 | JeffM2501 | and you install callbacks for each window before that? |
| 22:58.47 | brlcad | that's after setting up the displays and input and event handlers |
| 22:58.51 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 22:59.09 | JeffM2501 | similar to windows then |
| 22:59.18 | brlcad | should be a near mirror |
| 22:59.34 | brlcad | the Cocoa interface is the one that's rather different |
| 22:59.40 | JeffM2501 | they trying to make porting easy? |
| 22:59.44 | JeffM2501 | who'd want to do that |
| 23:00.20 | brlcad | you drag and drop an opengl context into a window context and the application automatically sets up the run loops and event handlers -- you just respond to the events ;) |
| 23:00.30 | brlcad | course that requires obj-c |
| 23:00.49 | JeffM2501 | sounds similar to how MFC does it |
| 23:00.50 | brlcad | (for the aqua-way) |
| 23:01.23 | JeffM2501 | I did windows side of mapedit with out MFC this time. |
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| 23:05.49 | brlcad | interesting.. Peng2zilla |
| 23:05.52 | brlcad | http://www.nukular.ch/?Action=Games |
| 23:06.03 | brlcad | uses IRC for the in-game chat .. go figure |
| 23:07.37 | oDilx | i see .ch? khool |
| 23:10.11 | Jormungandr | I saw number assignment was put in 2.0.1b4, Has this been implemented on the 2.0.0 servers? |
| 23:10.35 | JeffM2501 | each server op upgrades as they see fit |
| 23:10.50 | brlcad | wth is 2.0.1b4? |
| 23:11.03 | JeffM2501 | one of the binarys I made |
| 23:11.12 | JeffM2501 | threw the B in cus I did more then 1 |
| 23:11.13 | brlcad | ahh, heh |
| 23:11.22 | brlcad | got it |
| 23:11.57 | JeffM2501 | versioning system dosn't have enough numbers for a sub build ID on a maint release |
| 23:12.38 | JeffM2501 | unless we'd want to move all proto breaks to major version bumps |
| 23:12.38 | Jormungandr | heh, Yeah had wine running bzflag, but had trouble with bzfs under wine, so was using the 2.0.0 |
| 23:12.53 | JeffM2501 | why woudl you even WANT to do that? |
| 23:13.14 | Jormungandr | Curiosity is very powerful;) |
| 23:13.39 | Jormungandr | I heard of the number assignment, when wondering if that would be implemented |
| 23:13.56 | JeffM2501 | if it's in b4 it IS implemented |
| 23:14.09 | JeffM2501 | b4 was just a snapshot of CVS |
| 23:14.23 | JeffM2501 | all the b's are |
| 23:14.48 | Jormungandr | K thanks Jeff |
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