| 00:00.08 | wegstar | hi brad2901 |
| 00:00.37 | DTRemenak | spldart: yup. make sure to install samba |
| 00:00.46 | DTRemenak | samba does the filesharing stuff |
| 00:00.56 | brad2901 | hey wegstar |
| 00:01.25 | DTRemenak | just as a warning, I don't actually use debian, so anything I'm telling you is an educated guess based off all the other linuces I know :) |
| 00:01.50 | DTRemenak | tried debian and disliked it, so I never ran it again |
| 00:03.09 | Mr_Molez | i loved debian... except every time i installed it and starting installing other packages the filesystem would become corrupt |
| 00:03.11 | jpa_ | hmmmmmm |
| 00:03.22 | spldart | will I need a mouse hooked up or is this all CL stuff? |
| 00:03.28 | jpa_ | now the isp the server that crashed was behind crashed |
| 00:03.47 | DTRemenak | spldart: probably all cli. |
| 00:03.52 | spldart | k |
| 00:05.05 | spldart | K.. Imma test the new configuration of the machine with ultimate boot disk |
| 00:06.29 | spldart | Ok.. 256 meg confirmed |
| 00:07.28 | spldart | crap.. new HD not detected.... |
| 00:07.32 | spldart | lemme check |
| 00:11.14 | wegstar | hmm.. if I lock my computer or standby it for a while and then run bzflag, the screen will go all white.... |
| 00:11.39 | wegstar | the keys still work, but no sound... |
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| 00:16.16 | wegstar | :( |
| 00:16.42 | wegstar | and a white, blank screen... |
| 00:18.44 | Mr_Molez | ne bug been registered about bzflag crashin sometimes when the countdown has finished for the start of a match ? (when observing) |
| 00:19.23 | wegstar | ... |
| 00:19.40 | jpa_ | see sf.net/projects/bzflag/ |
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| 00:23.22 | wegstar | :) |
| 00:30.20 | spldart | Ok. Machine hooked up, jumpers changed, 4.3 gig drive installed, formatted to get rid of old xp install, using ultimate boot disc to check memory and cpu now. |
| 00:31.04 | spldart | I have a big arse HSF rated for xp 2500 mounted on this k6 2 500 8-) |
| 00:38.21 | spldart | crap. I ran the debian disk and it locked up on line: Using /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/kernel/drivers/usb/host/ehci-hcd.o |
| 00:39.45 | BearPerson | that's usb stuff |
| 00:40.04 | spldart | I know :( |
| 00:40.18 | spldart | I need usb support though |
| 00:41.19 | JeffM2501 | usb and plug and play enabled in the bios? |
| 00:41.37 | spldart | yeah... but does that apply on the add on card? |
| 00:41.49 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 00:42.17 | spldart | What should it be set too... Note: old mobo with 1.1 usb on board and 2.0 card added on |
| 00:42.37 | spldart | woah.... A second baby linux I had laying around crashed too |
| 00:42.44 | spldart | trying knoppix next just curious |
| 00:43.49 | JeffM2501 | pull the card |
| 00:43.51 | JeffM2501 | see if the install works |
| 00:44.08 | JeffM2501 | if it does put in the card and it may detect it after it installs your real kernel |
| 00:44.19 | JeffM2501 | since your booting to an installer kernel |
| 00:46.30 | spldart | k |
| 00:46.33 | spldart | I'll try that |
| 00:46.34 | spldart | thanks |
| 00:46.53 | spldart | btw knoppix booted :eek: |
| 00:48.27 | spldart | ssslllooowww though |
| 00:48.29 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:49.31 | spldart | Okies... I'm detecting hardware on debian sarge now |
| 00:49.35 | spldart | usb card gave it a fit |
| 00:50.22 | spldart | Hostname for this system...? |
| 00:50.23 | spldart | hrm |
| 00:51.45 | spldart | woah... it' sees my network it suggested a domain name.. but added a .com... Can I ditch the .com? |
| 00:52.42 | spldart | never mind. ditched the .com |
| 00:55.05 | brlcad | :) |
| 00:55.31 | spldart | JeffM |
| 00:55.33 | wegstar | JeffM? |
| 00:55.40 | wegstar | argh! stupid lag |
| 00:55.44 | spldart | heh |
| 00:56.02 | spldart | If all goes well I'll FINALLY have global login |
| 00:56.26 | Mr_Molez | yay |
| 00:57.43 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 01:00.36 | wegstar | :) |
| 01:02.42 | brlcad | spldart: just making sure.. you were talking to yourself for almost 10 minutes :) |
| 01:02.50 | wegstar | NICs |
| 01:03.44 | spldart | I WAS TALKING TO JEFF hehehehe |
| 01:03.53 | spldart | his idea obviously worked ;) |
| 01:04.22 | brlcad | suure :) |
| 01:04.30 | spldart | Its installing all the stuff now |
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| 01:04.37 | spldart | Just passed the Grub part |
| 01:04.59 | spldart | booting now |
| 01:05.08 | shorty114 | wow |
| 01:05.10 | shorty114 | that was easy |
| 01:05.16 | shorty114 | just upgraded to hoary |
| 01:07.18 | spldart | sandwiches and wine own during OS installs |
| 01:07.49 | JeffM2501 | well the hard part for you will be seting up your nat and stuff |
| 01:09.16 | spldart | Uh oh :( I hung up at Starting MTA: |
| 01:09.45 | spldart | oop.. broke loose |
| 01:09.48 | spldart | This thing is slow |
| 01:10.11 | DTRemenak | spldart: bootup takes a while. but you only have to do it once a year :) |
| 01:12.14 | spldart | best method for apt configuration? |
| 01:12.21 | spldart | LOL DTR |
| 01:12.34 | JeffM2501 | how much wine is in one bottle? |
| 01:12.42 | spldart | A gallon |
| 01:12.45 | spldart | ;) |
| 01:12.48 | JeffM2501 | spldart, http I find best |
| 01:12.49 | JeffM2501 | no realy? |
| 01:12.53 | spldart | Cheap burgundy ownps me |
| 01:13.11 | spldart | uh... dunno...lemme check a normal bottle |
| 01:14.10 | spldart | normal bottle 750 ml |
| 01:14.21 | DTRemenak | spldart: serious. when the machine that is now my server was running 98, it took about 50 seconds to boot, but had to be rebooted at least daily. under freebsd, it took 6 minutes to boot, but had an uptime of 168 days when I shut it down for an os upgrade :) |
| 01:14.22 | spldart | which debian mirror to use? |
| 01:14.22 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 01:14.30 | JeffM2501 | us.debian.org |
| 01:14.34 | spldart | k |
| 01:14.44 | spldart | My 98 machine needed reboot every month or so |
| 01:14.53 | JeffM2501 | then I guess this 1.5L box realy is 2 bottles |
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| 01:15.28 | spldart | is.debian.org is not listed |
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| 01:15.35 | spldart | oops |
| 01:15.39 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:15.40 | spldart | us.debian.org is not listed |
| 01:15.45 | JeffM2501 | what is the first one in the list? |
| 01:16.05 | spldart | mirrors.kernel.org |
| 01:16.22 | JeffM2501 | that'll work |
| 01:16.57 | spldart | it's asking for a http proxy but I don't believe I have a proxy server |
| 01:16.58 | spldart | so |
| 01:16.59 | spldart | blank |
| 01:17.30 | spldart | I should probably have dropped the firewall before it tried to test apt sources |
| 01:17.43 | spldart | but it is downloading something |
| 01:17.45 | JeffM2501 | it's going to need to get out |
| 01:18.03 | JeffM2501 | if your nated then you don't have a proxyu |
| 01:18.11 | spldart | yeah |
| 01:18.22 | spldart | its getting stuff downloaded so it's ok |
| 01:18.40 | spldart | security debian org now |
| 01:19.21 | spldart | I have ftp closed off.. didn't expect to need that |
| 01:19.34 | spldart | and I'm using one monitor between old server and this new one |
| 01:20.18 | spldart | ok... desktop evniroment, web server etc etc |
| 01:20.27 | spldart | I'm thinking either desktop or web server |
| 01:20.56 | spldart | Or manual package selection |
| 01:21.02 | spldart | Any input? |
| 01:21.54 | JeffM2501 | your call |
| 01:21.59 | JeffM2501 | manual is a BIG BIG list |
| 01:22.15 | JeffM2501 | you can do both web and desktop |
| 01:22.19 | JeffM2501 | it'll install apache and X |
| 01:22.21 | spldart | I need, apache, router, firewall, bzfs and it to be medium easy to set up |
| 01:22.29 | spldart | ok |
| 01:22.31 | spldart | I'll do that |
| 01:22.37 | JeffM2501 | the installer will not give you all software off the bat |
| 01:22.46 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to use apt to install other things |
| 01:24.07 | spldart | Okies... Installing and downloading lots of stuff |
| 01:24.19 | spldart | Thanks for the help guys :-) |
| 01:25.00 | spldart | I assume I'll have to find a driver to make the cable modem work usb |
| 01:25.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:26.25 | spldart | crap. toshiba doesn't support linux |
| 01:27.12 | DTRemenak | spldart: linux drivers are almost always fourth-party. only rarely do companies write their own linux drivers |
| 01:28.09 | wegstar | they usually hire other "people" to do it.. |
| 01:28.15 | DTRemenak | see http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Cable-Modem.html |
| 01:29.03 | DTRemenak | looks like you'll need CDCEther, and it will support the toshiba pcx-xxxx cable modems |
| 01:30.36 | spldart | IC... good link thanks |
| 01:30.44 | spldart | wow this debian is downloading and downloading |
| 01:30.52 | DTRemenak | everything is documented somewhere :) |
| 01:31.23 | spldart | I am getting worried though |
| 01:31.34 | spldart | This maybe a bigger project than I expected |
| 01:31.51 | JeffM2501 | it's not trivial |
| 01:31.57 | spldart | yeah |
| 01:32.02 | JeffM2501 | guu dice |
| 01:32.15 | DTRemenak | spldart: mostly it's time consuming |
| 01:32.18 | spldart | all this for global and 1337n322 |
| 01:32.38 | spldart | hehehehe |
| 01:32.41 | JeffM2501 | guu dice 4d6 |
| 01:32.44 | guu | JeffM2501: 2, 6, 6, and 5 |
| 01:32.47 | DTRemenak | aww, debian's not that 1337 anymore :) |
| 01:33.00 | DTRemenak | anyone can use debian :) |
| 01:33.06 | spldart | Ok... A step to leet |
| 01:35.52 | DTRemenak | oh, one other thing...those howto's are great, but they're usually just slightly wrong :) if something doesn't work even though you did exactly what it said, you might have to play with it a bit to find out what it should have told you to do |
| 01:36.13 | DTRemenak | kinda like mapquest |
| 01:36.14 | spldart | hehehe |
| 01:40.40 | JeffM2501 | guu dice 4d6 |
| 01:40.41 | guu | JeffM2501: 3, 5, 6, and 3 |
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| 01:44.32 | spldart | what's the comand for getting a report of all machines in a windows environent again |
| 01:44.38 | spldart | command line |
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| 01:51.58 | cosmos | hrm, TOl [3~[3~ |
| 01:52.08 | cosmos | Tom Delay has now openely called for violence against judges |
| 01:52.09 | cosmos | great |
| 01:53.49 | wegstar | hey lan56 |
| 01:53.52 | spldart | ??? linky |
| 01:54.02 | lan56 | wegstar: hey |
| 01:58.15 | spldart | I know delay. He's my district. |
| 02:01.53 | spldart | tomdelay.house.gov. Addresses on bottom... center one on corporate is 5 miles from my house. |
| 02:01.53 | brlcad | kinky |
| 02:02.48 | spldart | I'm just taking issue. Tom Delay threatening judges DOES NOT sound right. He's a rather personable individual. |
| 02:03.01 | spldart | I want a link so I can read up on this. perhaps contact hime |
| 02:04.00 | shorty114 | cosmos: link? the other one showed up as unicode garbage |
| 02:06.04 | cosmos | use of Representatives Majority Leader Tom DeLay, under fire for his use of camp |
| 02:06.04 | cosmos | aign dollars and other ethical problems, addressed the conference in a videotape |
| 02:06.04 | cosmos | d message on Thursday in which he denounced a "judiciary run amok." DeLay then |
| 02:06.04 | cosmos | added to the controversy when he reffered to convention members as "Soldiers of |
| 02:06.04 | cosmos | Christ who will extract retribution in these cases." |
| 02:08.16 | wegstar | ... |
| 02:08.53 | spldart | I'm still looking for the christ retribution comment |
| 02:09.01 | spldart | But that's hardly a bad threat |
| 02:09.27 | cosmos | googl [3~e him |
| 02:09.33 | spldart | could just mean christian voter base voting against the desires forwarded by the judicial. which I feel has gone astray too |
| 02:09.34 | cosmos | he was on maher awhile back |
| 02:09.49 | cosmos | he was talking about how GGW bush was annointed by Christ himself |
| 02:09.58 | cosmos | these guys are nuts |
| 02:10.43 | theEnemy | hey, that's offensive to nutters |
| 02:10.57 | wegstar | :) |
| 02:11.08 | spldart | I can't find anything about that either |
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| 02:12.13 | cosmos | it will be on mahers site once they trqnscribe it |
| 02:12.20 | cosmos | usually takes about 3-4 weeks |
| 02:12.22 | theEnemy | sheesh, the phrase TD should have used is "to exact retribution", not "to extract retribution". Not very well educated evidently ;) |
| 02:12.58 | cosmos | whos the other one now |
| 02:13.16 | cosmos | they are still all hot to trot over the human g vegetable |
| 02:13.35 | cosmos | oops nzi spammer in hepcat brb |
| 02:13.51 | spldart | gimme an ip and I'll make sure it's banned on mine too |
| 02:14.28 | spldart | Wow it takes a LONG time to setup debian :( |
| 02:15.29 | cosmos | heh linux |
| 02:15.34 | spldart | I think to many people hate christians and thusly are to sensitive to the way they say and do things :( |
| 02:15.35 | cosmos | it was just happy con la la |
| 02:15.40 | cosmos | carnage banned him for a day |
| 02:15.44 | spldart | I exist in a place between |
| 02:15.54 | spldart | ah |
| 02:15.56 | cosmos | i hate muslims, no prob with chrstians |
| 02:16.00 | cosmos | ;) |
| 02:16.02 | spldart | LOL |
| 02:16.19 | cosmos | these guys are not christians, they are evangelical lunatics |
| 02:16.37 | spldart | I got into a philosophical debate with a muslim once... Just once :rolleyes: |
| 02:16.44 | cosmos | the rapture is a song by blondie not a biblical truth |
| 02:16.45 | MeBigFatGuy | easy fellas... leave the idiots alone here |
| 02:16.47 | cosmos | period, the end. |
| 02:17.11 | spldart | idiots? who be that? |
| 02:17.51 | spldart | I think debian is going to wear out my HD hehe |
| 02:18.12 | JeffM2501 | dude then you'd be glad you didn't do gentoo |
| 02:18.16 | cosmos | heh |
| 02:18.18 | spldart | wow |
| 02:18.27 | cosmos | gentoo recompiles itself every 30 minutes to stay current |
| 02:18.28 | spldart | I am then |
| 02:18.34 | spldart | LMAO! |
| 02:18.57 | JeffM2501 | your "normal" gentoo install on a modern PC takes about a day |
| 02:19.10 | JeffM2501 | debian can go in a couple hours |
| 02:19.10 | spldart | No way?!?! |
| 02:19.15 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 02:19.16 | spldart | Serious? |
| 02:19.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:19.23 | JeffM2501 | it builds EVERYTHING |
| 02:19.29 | spldart | Wow |
| 02:19.29 | JeffM2501 | well it can |
| 02:19.37 | JeffM2501 | you could do a level 3 |
| 02:19.39 | spldart | That seems a bit excessive |
| 02:19.42 | BearPerson | well, do you mean install or configure? |
| 02:19.45 | JeffM2501 | but then people will call you a sissy |
| 02:19.48 | BearPerson | configure can take a week :) |
| 02:20.01 | JeffM2501 | I just mean be done and boot with good binarys |
| 02:20.04 | cosmos | id like to add an rm -rf / to the end of the gentoo build |
| 02:20.16 | JeffM2501 | gentoo has it's uses |
| 02:20.20 | BearPerson | you probably could |
| 02:20.23 | JeffM2501 | it keeps college kids off the streets :) |
| 02:20.35 | BearPerson | they don't have very high security standards I've heard |
| 02:20.41 | cosmos | college kids should be puking on the streets |
| 02:20.48 | cosmos | not wasting their days with linsux |
| 02:20.58 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 02:24.18 | wegstar | :) |
| 02:25.04 | spldart | wow! That was the best round yet |
| 02:25.15 | spldart | got my heart pumping |
| 02:25.41 | spldart | LOL cosmos |
| 02:26.01 | spldart | I prefer somehitng to download and install as is too |
| 02:26.06 | spldart | round 2 coming |
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| 02:32.06 | spldart | holy crap round two was incredible too... and debian is still setting up |
| 02:32.43 | spldart | I was the big quiet type that beat up the bully's picking on my little nerd friends in grade school... I hate bullies |
| 02:39.08 | spldart | Incredible fight :-o debian still setting up :eek: |
| 02:40.24 | spldart | Restarting MTA: exim4 |
| 02:41.12 | spldart | is bzfs as easy as moving some files over to the linux install or a bit more? |
| 02:42.15 | spldart | Ok.. I'm running the wrong refresh rate... |
| 02:42.26 | spldart | crap.. How do I fix this without changing monitors :( |
| 02:43.46 | DTRemenak | yes, setting bzfs up is pretty much that easy. move the files, change any paths. |
| 02:43.58 | DTRemenak | and why did you install x? ;) |
| 02:44.10 | spldart | Cuz I'm no good at linux |
| 02:44.20 | spldart | I need a 'make it easy' option |
| 02:44.25 | DTRemenak | x just adds to the complexity, it doesn't make it easier :) |
| 02:45.26 | cosmos | http://www.conservativematch.com/ |
| 02:45.30 | cosmos | haha |
| 02:45.30 | DTRemenak | can't help you on the refresh rate, the last time I edited an x config file was about four years ago |
| 02:46.14 | spldart | eeeek |
| 02:48.05 | DTRemenak | for that matter, I don't know where debian puts anything, or if it has configuration utilities, or even whether the one you're using uses x.org or xfree86 |
| 02:51.26 | spldart | FIXED |
| 02:51.27 | spldart | OK |
| 02:51.31 | spldart | hehehe |
| 02:51.44 | spldart | I need more alcohol ;) |
| 02:51.48 | spldart | brb |
| 02:52.20 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 02:53.03 | cosmos | http://www.screenhead.com/funny/oddities/the-pat-obrien-voicemail-036643.php |
| 02:54.09 | spldart | Ok... Is debian likely to see a usb portable HD formatted in fat32? |
| 02:54.19 | spldart | Cuz I can put bzflag on that and move it over |
| 02:54.24 | spldart | with my configuration files |
| 02:55.36 | DTRemenak | it is certainly possible to make it see it. whether it will automatically is...questionable. |
| 02:56.49 | spldart | I'm thinking of doing bzfs first... I could leave the old serve online and redirect NAT for bzfs to the new server and get my global fixed for my map tonight |
| 02:57.38 | BearPerson | Well, I usually don't like putting linux files on fat32... |
| 02:57.53 | BearPerson | if they're linux files use a linux filesystem :) |
| 02:58.03 | spldart | I just meant my spare portable usb hd is already formatted for fat32 |
| 02:58.08 | spldart | since most linux can deal with that |
| 02:58.15 | spldart | my main usb hd is ntfs |
| 02:58.23 | spldart | which many linux doesn't like |
| 02:58.44 | DTRemenak | most linuces can read ntfs without a problem. writing to ntfs is generally a bad idea |
| 03:00.35 | spldart | in 'computer' I see floppy1 cdrom1 filesystem network |
| 03:00.44 | spldart | where is hardrive? |
| 03:02.23 | spldart | woah... I"m browsing my windows pc's already! |
| 03:03.11 | spldart | I'm downloading a tar.gz bzflag now |
| 03:04.30 | spldart | I'll need help setting up bzfs :( |
| 03:07.41 | JeffM2501 | same as windows |
| 03:08.28 | spldart | double click the tar.gz? pick any place I want to place it and move my .conf .bzw files over? |
| 03:08.30 | JeffM2501 | and "file system" is all your hard drives :) |
| 03:08.43 | spldart | I just found that :p thanks jeff :) |
| 03:08.47 | JeffM2501 | the tar is probalby source |
| 03:08.52 | spldart | oopsy |
| 03:08.52 | JeffM2501 | so you'd have to build |
| 03:09.10 | spldart | I want ready made |
| 03:09.35 | JeffM2501 | you can just apt-get install bzflag-server :) |
| 03:10.18 | spldart | woah.. sounds easy. How do I start an apt get? |
| 03:10.57 | JeffM2501 | type apt-get |
| 03:11.00 | JeffM2501 | it's not graphical |
| 03:11.10 | JeffM2501 | just type apt-get install bzflag |
| 03:11.48 | spldart | in a terminal? |
| 03:11.55 | JeffM2501 | ja |
| 03:12.15 | JeffM2501 | basicly on linux all things are terminal |
| 03:12.27 | JeffM2501 | no clicky |
| 03:12.40 | JeffM2501 | cus there are 10,000 difrent clicky interfaces |
| 03:12.58 | JeffM2501 | so system stuff is all CLI, cus that's all the know you may have |
| 03:13.09 | JeffM2501 | welcome to the OS of the least common denominator |
| 03:13.11 | trepan | synaptic for clicky |
| 03:13.42 | trepan | think there's at least one more clicky thingy too |
| 03:14.07 | trepan | dselect and aptitude are good CLI tools for pkg management |
| 03:14.45 | trepan | (curses interfaces, not quite clicky, but still, scrolly) |
| 03:15.16 | spldart | holy crap that was easy |
| 03:15.48 | spldart | what does it take to set up something like that... bzflag being soemting available to be get-apt'ed |
| 03:16.24 | spldart | How do I find my new linux boxen IP on the lan? |
| 03:17.14 | trepan | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 03:17.26 | trepan | (if i understand the question correctly) |
| 03:17.28 | spldart | OK... debianserver:/home/myusername/# |
| 03:17.33 | spldart | what is it waiting for? |
| 03:17.37 | spldart | yeah |
| 03:17.40 | spldart | thanks trepan |
| 03:17.52 | spldart | I'll try that once I figure what it's asking for |
| 03:20.23 | spldart | what does debianserver:/home/myusername# need after the get apt |
| 03:21.22 | trepan | input |
| 03:21.35 | spldart | hehe More specifically? |
| 03:21.49 | spldart | Is it waiting for details to setup the bzfs server? |
| 03:21.59 | trepan | no, type: bzfs |
| 03:22.04 | spldart | OH.... Ok |
| 03:22.15 | spldart | do I need to move files and a map over first though? |
| 03:22.23 | trepan | that's up to you |
| 03:22.25 | spldart | ok |
| 03:22.27 | spldart | yeah |
| 03:24.13 | spldart | BTW trepan.. /sbin/ifconfig worked. I got my local ip |
| 03:24.18 | spldart | thanks |
| 03:24.23 | spldart | Now to move my config files |
| 03:24.53 | spldart | JeffM.. Am I doing any better than the other n00bs? :-/ |
| 03:25.49 | wegstar | :) |
| 03:27.29 | spldart | hehe |
| 03:29.48 | spldart | where can I find my new bzfs that I get-apped |
| 03:29.55 | spldart | I want to set up |
| 03:30.39 | JeffM2501 | locate bzfs |
| 03:30.46 | spldart | looking |
| 03:30.51 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 03:30.53 | JeffM2501 | that's the command :) |
| 03:31.22 | spldart | LOL |
| 03:31.24 | spldart | my bad |
| 03:33.19 | spldart | oh no... No such file or directtory |
| 03:33.23 | spldart | I did something wrong :( |
| 03:33.30 | JeffM2501 | apt-get install bzflag-server |
| 03:33.40 | JeffM2501 | debian may split client and server |
| 03:33.46 | spldart | OOOHHHH |
| 03:33.48 | spldart | ok |
| 03:34.43 | trepan | JeffM2501: "you can just apt-get install bzflag-server :)", thought that what he did ;) |
| 03:34.55 | JeffM2501 | did you do server or |
| 03:34.58 | JeffM2501 | just bzflag? |
| 03:35.08 | JeffM2501 | if locate can't find it I think you can do whereis |
| 03:35.23 | JeffM2501 | it's probalby in /usr/shared/games/ or something |
| 03:35.24 | trepan | dunno that locate automatically updates for new files, need to run updatedb |
| 03:35.33 | spldart | I did server too |
| 03:35.39 | JeffM2501 | then updatedb |
| 03:35.42 | BearPerson | yeah... try "which bzfs" |
| 03:36.05 | JeffM2501 | if it's in your path you don't need to care where it is |
| 03:36.07 | trepan | which, type, or whereis |
| 03:36.14 | BearPerson | type? |
| 03:36.17 | trepan | yup |
| 03:36.33 | trepan | apt-file is a handy command |
| 03:36.35 | spldart | yeah. I typed it again and it said no upgrade available so it's already there |
| 03:36.54 | trepan | apt-file list bzflag-server |
| 03:37.30 | trepan | 'apt-get install apt-file' if you don't have it |
| 03:38.04 | *** part/#bzflag JBdiGriz (~JBdiGriz@adsl-63-204-116-8.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 03:38.20 | trepan | another ex: apt-file -l search bzflag |
| 03:40.26 | spldart | running updatedb now |
| 03:41.08 | spldart | I hate poking around blind :( |
| 03:41.52 | spldart | But anyway... Am I doing better than your average noob jeff? ;) |
| 03:42.02 | JeffM2501 | i guess |
| 03:42.08 | JeffM2501 | installing is the easy part |
| 03:42.11 | spldart | I respect your and DTR and a few others so I care |
| 03:42.15 | spldart | aww |
| 03:42.18 | spldart | :/ |
| 03:42.19 | spldart | hehe |
| 03:42.30 | JeffM2501 | well see how you do when you have to config apache :) |
| 03:43.03 | wegstar | hehe.. |
| 03:50.36 | spldart | found bzfs... ran it without doing any configuration so see if it opened a window but it didn't. I did find the app running in the system monitor though. I killed it and will see about adding my map and options |
| 03:51.56 | BearPerson | yeah, it'll be your typical command-line-server |
| 03:52.26 | BearPerson | if you set it to debug it'll debug into the terminal you start it from, otherwise it'll just vanish into the background and stay there |
| 03:52.36 | spldart | ic |
| 03:53.00 | spldart | Ok... Where do I put my configuration and map... bzfs is in /usr/games/ as jeff said |
| 03:53.17 | spldart | pardon me too... I'm getting really drunk. |
| 03:53.18 | BearPerson | /etc is the place for configuration files normally |
| 03:53.31 | trepan | BearPerson: bzfs doesn't do the daemon disappearing trick |
| 03:53.43 | JeffM2501 | spldart, it dosn't mater |
| 03:53.45 | BearPerson | ah, does it... didn't know that |
| 03:53.45 | spldart | bzfs DID dissappear on me |
| 03:53.51 | JeffM2501 | you specify the paths when you start it |
| 03:53.59 | spldart | Ah... |
| 03:54.18 | spldart | for convenience should I put the map and configs in the same directory? |
| 03:55.09 | BearPerson | well, you usually don't touch /usr with changing files, but that's just loose standard |
| 03:55.20 | BearPerson | I'd put them into your home dir |
| 03:55.25 | spldart | k |
| 03:55.48 | BearPerson | (home dir will likely be /root) |
| 03:56.47 | spldart | I have a /home |
| 03:57.11 | BearPerson | that's for the users |
| 03:57.41 | spldart | grr... It locked up tight |
| 03:57.48 | BearPerson | ? |
| 03:57.53 | *** join/#bzflag bz7970 (~cb1a18d3@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 03:58.00 | spldart | debian locked up tight |
| 03:58.03 | spldart | no response |
| 03:58.14 | BearPerson | hmmm |
| 03:58.15 | spldart | I was going to move some files. |
| 03:58.19 | spldart | reboot time |
| 03:58.31 | trepan | ctrl-alt-backspace? (assume you're in X) |
| 03:58.35 | bz7970 | so when smy first battle because i've never played befor |
| 03:58.46 | trepan | ctrl-alt-F1 might also help |
| 03:59.27 | spldart | ctrl alt backspace did a quick restart |
| 03:59.29 | spldart | thanks |
| 03:59.38 | trepan | huh? where you in X? |
| 03:59.42 | trepan | s/where/were |
| 04:00.03 | JeffM2501 | that just kills X |
| 04:00.14 | JeffM2501 | x!= linux |
| 04:00.39 | spldart | yeah.. X |
| 04:00.47 | spldart | it restarted real fast |
| 04:00.51 | spldart | not a reboot |
| 04:00.54 | JeffM2501 | it didn't reastart the OS |
| 04:00.55 | spldart | it's not locked now |
| 04:00.55 | menotume | where up arrow does ps axf | grep bzflag |
| 04:00.57 | JeffM2501 | just killed X |
| 04:01.02 | JeffM2501 | it's like killing explorer |
| 04:01.02 | trepan | got gdm or some equivalent? |
| 04:01.07 | spldart | ic |
| 04:01.14 | spldart | gdm? |
| 04:01.22 | JeffM2501 | gnome desktop manager |
| 04:01.24 | JeffM2501 | login thingy |
| 04:01.24 | trepan | gdm, xdm, kdm, etc |
| 04:02.17 | spldart | I believe I'm running x windows |
| 04:03.09 | JeffM2501 | xwindows is he base |
| 04:03.17 | JeffM2501 | your probalby running gnome |
| 04:03.24 | JeffM2501 | does it have a graphincal thing you log into? |
| 04:03.31 | JeffM2501 | where you type your username |
| 04:03.33 | JeffM2501 | and password? |
| 04:03.37 | JeffM2501 | or do you type "startx" ? |
| 04:03.37 | spldart | yeah. minimal but yeah |
| 04:03.43 | spldart | no startx |
| 04:03.45 | JeffM2501 | that's GDM |
| 04:03.48 | spldart | okies |
| 04:04.55 | spldart | grr.. doesn't support copy from a network place and past in /root |
| 04:05.00 | spldart | floppy time |
| 04:05.14 | JeffM2501 | ahaha silly windows user :) |
| 04:05.16 | JeffM2501 | use the terminal |
| 04:05.18 | JeffM2501 | type cp |
| 04:05.21 | JeffM2501 | then the paths :) |
| 04:05.39 | JeffM2501 | and what are you doing in /root? |
| 04:06.13 | spldart | somebody said put the config and map in the root would be best.... Or else I misunderstood |
| 04:06.22 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 04:06.23 | spldart | LOL |
| 04:06.26 | trepan | i wouldn't run bzfs as root |
| 04:06.33 | spldart | bzfs isn't in root |
| 04:06.40 | spldart | bzfs is usr/games |
| 04:06.41 | trepan | keep your 'root' usage to a minimum |
| 04:06.44 | spldart | ok |
| 04:06.47 | JeffM2501 | make a user for bzfs |
| 04:06.55 | spldart | what is a great place to put the config and map |
| 04:07.02 | JeffM2501 | keep all the crud in the homedir for that user |
| 04:07.08 | JeffM2501 | then run stuff with screen |
| 04:07.26 | JeffM2501 | or a chroot jail |
| 04:07.32 | spldart | grr. Now I gotta creat a bzuser |
| 04:07.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah your going to have to |
| 04:07.52 | spldart | Linux is pwning me |
| 04:08.31 | spldart | alright. How do I create a user for bzing |
| 04:09.40 | trepan | adduser or useradd |
| 04:10.00 | trepan | here's the most important command for you to learn: 'man man' |
| 04:11.20 | *** join/#bzflag bzflagwiz_ (~wiz@12-217-171-34.client.mchsi.com) |
| 04:11.46 | *** join/#bzflag blast007_ (~blast@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 04:11.55 | spldart | Ok.. New user created |
| 04:12.47 | spldart | man man has everything 8-) |
| 04:13.02 | spldart | Maybe I should take a break? |
| 04:13.05 | shorty114 | hehe man man |
| 04:13.49 | spldart | Sorry for the burden guys :( :) |
| 04:14.25 | spldart | You do have me browsing the lan, browsing the internet, I know my IP, I have bz installed etc etc etc |
| 04:14.57 | spldart | And best yet... No tons of repeating |
| 04:15.03 | shorty114 | browsing the lan? |
| 04:15.10 | shorty114 | mount? |
| 04:15.15 | spldart | I can see all the windows boxes on the lan |
| 04:15.31 | shorty114 | ah |
| 04:15.33 | spldart | I'm doing good I think |
| 04:15.33 | shorty114 | samba? |
| 04:15.36 | spldart | no |
| 04:15.37 | shorty114 | yeah sounds like it |
| 04:15.46 | brlcad | ~trepan++ |
| 04:15.47 | spldart | I haven't gone after samba |
| 04:15.50 | shorty114 | when i tried debian i couldn't get past the install >.< |
| 04:16.10 | spldart | ~trepan++ |
| 04:16.16 | trepan | huh? |
| 04:16.27 | spldart | ~JeffM2501++ |
| 04:16.37 | spldart | is that the karma booster |
| 04:17.00 | wegstar | yep |
| 04:17.04 | wegstar | :) |
| 04:17.10 | spldart | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 04:17.23 | spldart | ~wegstar++ |
| 04:17.26 | spldart | for being cool too |
| 04:17.29 | wegstar | ... |
| 04:17.55 | wegstar | oh well, one cannot complain against that ;) |
| 04:17.57 | wegstar | Thanks :) |
| 04:18.09 | spldart | ~BearPerson++ |
| 04:19.19 | spldart | Creating a new user for bz does what for me? |
| 04:19.36 | spldart | Keeps me from having to much permission and damaging my install? |
| 04:19.37 | spldart | hehe |
| 04:20.09 | spldart | and makes a folder to put personal stuff fo r that user? |
| 04:22.21 | shorty114 | IIRC you have to do that yourself? |
| 04:22.28 | shorty114 | useradd only adds the user to the user db |
| 04:23.15 | shorty114 | i remember when i did "useradd mysql" for my mysqld, it didn't make /home/mysql, but that was what the home was supposed to be |
| 04:24.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: wings3d outputs "ke" in OBJs for emissive lighting, use it |
| 04:24.34 | spldart | I don't know about you guys.. But for a non-fluff linux install I think I got alot done today. I'm going to call it a night and try to finish bzfs tomorrow fresh... Sound like a good idea? |
| 04:25.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: bump version to 1.4 |
| 04:26.24 | shorty114 | spldart: you'll work better on a night's sleep |
| 04:27.41 | menotume | spldart thinks he will ONLY run bzfs off linux and keep everything else on windows :( <=== That's what you think ! |
| 04:29.51 | spldart | lol menotume... What's that suppossed to mean? Once you go linux you'll never go back? |
| 04:29.55 | spldart | :p |
| 04:30.02 | menotume | :) |
| 04:30.50 | menotume | they both have their uses. |
| 04:31.11 | spldart | me thinks ATI tivo, pvr and other related stuff will stay on windows too |
| 04:31.20 | MeBigFatGuy | windows for the stuff you care about, linux just to play with? |
| 04:31.21 | spldart | along with my dvd ripping and video editing |
| 04:31.39 | spldart | hehe |
| 04:33.33 | shorty114 | PVR? |
| 04:33.34 | spldart | everybody else got quiet |
| 04:33.43 | spldart | Personal Video Recorder |
| 04:34.05 | shorty114 | ah |
| 04:34.08 | spldart | svideo and composite from various sources dubbed into mpeg |
| 04:34.10 | spldart | or avi |
| 04:35.17 | spldart | in fact all the time I was on here asking linux questions on this machine I was also recording tv and ripping/encoding other videos |
| 04:37.34 | bzflagwiz_ | ATI all-in-wonder PVR won't play well with linux... |
| 04:39.12 | spldart | I know |
| 04:39.15 | spldart | :( |
| 04:40.16 | shorty114 | heh |
| 04:40.21 | bzflagwiz_ | spldart - you've got me motivated to upgrade my fedora core 1 dual-boot setup...i'm downloading the suse9.2 dvd iso right now... |
| 04:40.50 | spldart | Oh? How did I do that? I got kinda beat up :( |
| 04:41.33 | bzflagwiz_ | unless ATI has a change of heart with their APIs |
| 04:42.29 | bzflagwiz_ | spldart - the ongoing conversation reminded me of how much fun it can be ;) |
| 04:42.43 | spldart | FUN!?!?!?! |
| 04:42.44 | spldart | lol |
| 04:42.49 | bzflagwiz_ | :) |
| 04:42.49 | DTRemenak | spldart: yes! |
| 04:43.02 | DTRemenak | spldart: if it were not fun, I would not have just spent 22 hours on my own upgrade :) |
| 04:43.16 | spldart | you people are glutens for punishment |
| 04:43.31 | DTRemenak | kind of depressing to get a virtuallty functionally identical system after that much effort though |
| 04:43.45 | bzflagwiz_ | I just gotta remember to copy down the funky grub.conf settings I had to use last time, since my windows boot disk is D: and not C: |
| 04:43.58 | DTRemenak | yay for grub |
| 04:44.02 | spldart | lol |
| 04:44.42 | bzflagwiz_ | grub is much nicer than lilo... and lilo is much nicer than ntldr :) |
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| 05:28.10 | wegstar | argh! white screen again :( |
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| 05:44.53 | wegstar | Is there some kind of server command that can "silence" someone??? |
| 05:50.11 | wegstar | ? |
| 05:53.33 | wegstar | ? |
| 05:53.49 | wegstar | umm this is kinda urgent ;) |
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| 06:02.30 | wegstar_ | ... |
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| 06:03.08 | orange | wegstar_: have you tried /mute |
| 06:03.09 | orange | ? |
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| 06:03.54 | wegstar_ | nope.. thanks |
| 06:04.45 | wegstar_ | :) |
| 06:04.48 | wegstar_ | night all |
| 06:06.21 | spldart | Now hepcat has my pulse at around 110 BPM :D |
| 06:06.31 | spldart | I suck but I captured 1 flag :) |
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| 06:07.45 | orange | you spelled "learned1" wrong |
| 06:08.21 | spldart | night all |
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| 07:44.27 | PerlMan | anyone here getting errors from bzflag2.0.0 and Fedora core 3? |
| 07:45.06 | PerlMan | at the risk of spamming the window... I see the following: |
| 07:45.12 | PerlMan | ./bzflag -directory /home/khamar/bzflag-2.0.2.20050318/data |
| 07:45.12 | PerlMan | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 07:45.12 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.12 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.12 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.13 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.15 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.22 | sgk284 | i run fc3 and run bzflag fine |
| 07:48.49 | PerlMan | hello again sgk |
| 07:48.53 | sgk284 | hey perlman |
| 07:49.01 | PerlMan | I'm going through and upgrade (KyleH here) |
| 07:49.13 | sgk284 | oh hey :) |
| 07:49.18 | PerlMan | had a disk failure... so I'm building a new system |
| 07:49.27 | sgk284 | yea i saw the email |
| 07:49.29 | sgk284 | :/ |
| 07:49.32 | PerlMan | have most everything up now except for bzflag |
| 07:49.38 | sgk284 | hrmm... |
| 07:49.43 | sgk284 | howd you install 2.0.2? |
| 07:49.51 | sgk284 | and did the one that came with fc3 work okay? |
| 07:49.52 | PerlMan | odd error - something amiss with my xorg i think |
| 07:50.01 | PerlMan | nope - did not run at all |
| 07:50.05 | sgk284 | oh and what vid card |
| 07:50.11 | sgk284 | yea its def xorg |
| 07:50.11 | PerlMan | so I rpm -e'd it |
| 07:50.28 | PerlMan | I have an "onboard" intel video card |
| 07:50.36 | sgk284 | check run "glxinfo | grep dri" |
| 07:50.48 | sgk284 | ignore run* |
| 07:50.57 | PerlMan | Section "Device" |
| 07:50.57 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.57 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.57 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.57 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.58 | PerlMan | EndSection |
| 07:51.25 | PerlMan | no output from that |
| 07:51.26 | sgk284 | run "glxinfo | grep DRI |
| 07:51.28 | sgk284 | " |
| 07:51.33 | sgk284 | dorry it should be capital |
| 07:51.35 | sgk284 | sorry* |
| 07:51.38 | PerlMan | glxinfo | grep DRI |
| 07:51.38 | PerlMan | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 845G 20040919 x86/MMX/SSE2 |
| 07:51.45 | sgk284 | ugh my tyign this late at night is even worse then usual :) |
| 07:51.50 | sgk284 | hrmm okay |
| 07:52.05 | sgk284 | and glxgears runs fine? |
| 07:52.14 | PerlMan | I removed the rpm, downloaded it from a fresh source and tried again. got the above error |
| 07:52.37 | PerlMan | glxgears |
| 07:52.37 | PerlMan | 5623 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1124.600 FPS |
| 07:52.37 | PerlMan | 5995 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1199.000 FPS |
| 07:53.01 | PerlMan | I'm about to install bzflag2.0.0 and see it it will work |
| 07:53.08 | sgk284 | i have nearly the exact same vid card lol so i wonder what went wrong :/ |
| 07:53.17 | sgk284 | i would try 2.0.0 |
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| 07:53.44 | PerlMan | interesting error: rpm -i bzflag-2.0.0.20050121-0.i386.rpm |
| 07:53.44 | PerlMan | error: Failed dependencies: |
| 07:53.44 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.44 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.44 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.47 | sgk284 | if other 3d programs are working, it might be (most likely) is a bug in bzflag, i would be led to believe |
| 07:54.11 | PerlMan | the last thing i did was compile the bzflag2.0.2 from source. got the same error as with rpm. |
| 07:54.21 | sgk284 | ahh |
| 07:54.22 | PerlMan | but I did not get the above dependency error |
| 07:54.33 | sgk284 | that shouldnt be giving you vid card errors but... |
| 07:55.10 | PerlMan | if I remember right, libcrypto.so.2 is an odd bird that takes some digging to find the dependency for. |
| 07:55.21 | sgk284 | hrm, if i were you i'd do a "yum remove bzflag" "yum install bzflag" |
| 07:55.37 | sgk284 | then grab the 2.0.0 or 2.0.2 rpms and rpm -Uvh bzflag.... |
| 07:55.49 | sgk284 | let fedora figure out the deps for you |
| 07:56.01 | PerlMan | sure thing. I am getting good and removing and inserting stuff! |
| 07:56.07 | sgk284 | :) |
| 07:56.09 | sgk284 | its handy |
| 07:56.24 | PerlMan | yum remove bzflag |
| 07:56.24 | PerlMan | Setting up Remove Process |
| 07:56.24 | PerlMan | No Packages marked for removal |
| 07:56.35 | PerlMan | (no rpm installed) |
| 07:56.39 | sgk284 | then just do an isntall |
| 07:56.41 | sgk284 | install |
| 07:56.48 | sgk284 | when you installed fc3 did you do a full install? |
| 07:57.09 | PerlMan | option -U not recognized |
| 07:57.14 | PerlMan | yes I did a full install |
| 07:57.20 | PerlMan | and today I updated every package |
| 07:57.33 | PerlMan | my FC3 is current. absolutely current as of 1 hour ago. |
| 07:57.53 | sgk284 | running rpm with -Uvh won't work? |
| 07:58.04 | PerlMan | oops i did yum -Uvh heh |
| 07:58.22 | PerlMan | rpm -Uvh bzflag-2.0.0.20050121-0.i386.rpm |
| 07:58.22 | PerlMan | error: Failed dependencies: |
| 07:58.22 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.22 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.22 | PerlMan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.35 | sgk284 | i'm gonna pm you |
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| 14:41.49 | spldart | Morning |
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| 14:44.31 | fabianne | ha! hi |
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| 14:52.39 | jpa_ | hi fabianne |
| 14:52.50 | fabianne | hi jpa |
| 14:52.56 | jpa_ | :) |
| 14:53.18 | jpa_ | have you got dsl working? |
| 14:53.53 | fabianne | no, cause i need to buy a long cable... the one that came is too short |
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| 15:22.55 | BearPerson | hmm. that shows you're not a total geek ;-) - A total geek would drag his computer out into the hallway if it was neccessary... |
| 15:23.24 | fabianne | LOL* |
| 15:23.55 | fabianne | well i wanted to but with a toddler hard to .. stop him from chewing cables .. |
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| 15:24.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: make displayReloadTimer persistent |
| 15:27.20 | jpa_ | what is a toddler? |
| 15:27.25 | jpa_ | some kind of an animal? |
| 15:27.38 | fabianne | my son, he is 14 months |
| 15:28.03 | jpa_ | ah |
| 15:28.39 | spldart | Any linux bzserver peeps in that can help me? |
| 15:28.55 | Mr_Molez | maybe |
| 15:29.00 | jpa_ | i match the first expression, but i'm not sure of the second |
| 15:29.13 | spldart | hehehe |
| 15:29.43 | spldart | I want to copy all the stuff my floppy0 to whatever is an appropriate folder for my bz map and .conf file |
| 15:30.03 | jpa_ | aha |
| 15:30.06 | jpa_ | too basic |
| 15:30.12 | Mr_Molez | well mount the floppy |
| 15:30.20 | Mr_Molez | depends what distro u have for where bzflag will be |
| 15:30.22 | BearPerson | pick a place |
| 15:30.42 | BearPerson | you'll give absolute paths anyway when starting the server |
| 15:31.09 | BearPerson | I'd say /etc/bzflag or /root/bzflag may sound appropriate and easy to find |
| 15:31.13 | spldart | debian sarge gnome |
| 15:31.15 | BearPerson | (just make a folder) |
| 15:31.36 | spldart | and bzfs is in /usr/games |
| 15:33.14 | spldart | I think I have to floppy mounted. But this desktop gui doesn't seem to support copy and paste so I assume I need to do this from the command line |
| 15:33.27 | BearPerson | okay |
| 15:33.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: player slots >= maxPlayers can be in use because lower slots might be occupied by non-players (scripts or bugs), better to use the highest used slot number; might fix player count mismatch bug |
| 15:33.35 | BearPerson | "mount /dev/fd0 /mnt" |
| 15:33.43 | Mr_Molez | mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy && cp /mnt/floppy/* /location |
| 15:34.07 | BearPerson | and then "umount /dev/fd0" when you're done |
| 15:34.19 | BearPerson | (if it works it won't print anything) |
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| 15:35.52 | spldart | I just typed mount to get info.... I show /dev/fd0 on media/floppy0 type vfat |
| 15:35.59 | spldart | I think I'm already mounted |
| 15:37.30 | BearPerson | ah, okay |
| 15:37.58 | *** part/#bzflag ruffl3_ (~chatzilla@5.88.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 15:37.59 | BearPerson | then mkdir /root/bzflag && cp /media/floppy0/* /root/bzflag |
| 15:39.17 | ToughShooter | jpa_: Aribeth is now hosting my map. She'll host it permanent, without rotation. That's the reason why I chose her. Thank you for your offer. |
| 15:39.21 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/WorldBuilder.cxx: mark maxPlayers issue with 'FIXME' |
| 15:39.27 | jpa_ | ok |
| 15:42.03 | spldart | Ok.... /usr/games is where my bz executables are... /usr/games/bzstuff is a new folder to put my map and .conf |
| 15:42.54 | spldart | and /media/floppy0 is where my stuff to copy is |
| 15:43.11 | spldart | How do you copy a file from one place to another in console? |
| 15:43.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: out of sync comment removed, added FIXME |
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| 15:43.45 | spldart | cp but what syntax |
| 15:44.11 | BearPerson | you'd do "cp /media/floppy0/mymap.map /usr/games/bzstuff" |
| 15:44.22 | BearPerson | or "cp /media/floppy0/* /usr/games/bzstuff" even |
| 15:45.01 | spldart | thanks the second one is the one I needed |
| 15:45.05 | spldart | that does all files |
| 15:45.07 | spldart | correct? |
| 15:46.50 | [dmp] | spldart: it copies all files from that directory (not subdirectories or files within subdirs) |
| 15:47.05 | spldart | Just finished |
| 15:47.11 | spldart | worked like a champ |
| 15:47.25 | spldart | Now I gotta reconfigure the new directories into the .conf file |
| 15:47.33 | spldart | But after that I may need help again :( |
| 15:52.12 | jpa_ | poor us :P |
| 15:55.32 | spldart | yeah |
| 15:55.52 | spldart | I wonder why kedit keeps telling me I can't write to file :( |
| 15:56.21 | [dmp] | are you sure you got write permissions to write that file? |
| 15:56.32 | spldart | I'm trying to change all the c:bz\data stuff to /usr/games in the .conf |
| 15:56.52 | spldart | Wasn't sure.. so I tried to create a new file but no go |
| 15:57.49 | [dmp] | sounds like a permission problem. |
| 15:58.02 | spldart | How do I change permissions |
| 15:58.05 | [dmp] | what directory are you using? did you create it yourself? |
| 15:58.15 | spldart | yes |
| 15:58.21 | spldart | I created /usr/games/bzstuff |
| 15:58.56 | jpa_ | does you command promth read like "user@computer directory # " or "user@computer directory $" |
| 15:58.56 | [dmp] | try ls -l of that directory |
| 15:59.48 | spldart | right click of folder and permissions tab shows I am not the owner of that folder |
| 16:00.10 | spldart | I'm opening a root terminal again |
| 16:00.34 | [dmp] | spldart: you can use chown username fileOrDir to change the owner of a file or directory |
| 16:01.03 | [dmp] | spldart: chown -R username fileOrDir if you want it to do all subdirs/files inside the dir |
| 16:02.53 | spldart | thanks... I was just geting ready to ask that next |
| 16:04.00 | [dmp] | "man chown" will tell you all the options for it. most commands are documented that way. like man cp |
| 16:04.15 | [dmp] | but it displays all options, so there might be alot to read :) |
| 16:04.31 | [dmp] | s/displays/documents/ |
| 16:04.32 | spldart | I got the file changes underway. |
| 16:04.36 | spldart | thanks a ton |
| 16:04.44 | spldart | My .conf file is done I believe |
| 16:09.15 | spldart | Ok... I have bzfs in /usr/games/ I have map and .conf file in /usr/games/bzstuff/ How would I start bzfs and have it use the .conf file? |
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| 16:11.41 | jpa_ | just do something like bzfs -conf config.file |
| 16:11.57 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.59 | jpa_ | in the directory config.file is in |
| 16:12.00 | spldart | in a terminal? |
| 16:12.44 | spldart | ok... oh and real quick. what was the command to get the linux machine to tell me what ip it grabbed on the lan again? |
| 16:12.50 | jpa_ | ifconfig |
| 16:12.55 | DTRemenak | yup, then leave the terminal running |
| 16:13.10 | spldart | thanks |
| 16:13.15 | spldart | lemme try this |
| 16:15.41 | spldart | error a world was not specified.... it saw the .conf though and the directory looks right... |
| 16:15.58 | jpa_ | so what is it there? |
| 16:17.37 | spldart | It didn't find any of my configuration files. in .conf I have /usr/games/bzstuff/TimeTrials.bzw |
| 16:17.56 | spldart | but bzfs said it could find the file |
| 16:18.25 | spldart | wait. It said a world was not specified |
| 16:22.26 | spldart | aha... needed "" around the map file after -world |
| 16:22.36 | spldart | Do I need that for all my pointed to files? |
| 16:22.42 | spldart | like badwords.txt too? |
| 16:26.20 | spldart | YES!!! I just logged into and messed around in my linux map... which is still private do to no port forwarding to it I believe |
| 16:26.20 | spldart | wooohoooo |
| 16:26.20 | spldart | I think this calls for a celebration... breakfast |
| 16:26.36 | BearPerson | lol |
| 16:37.07 | spldart | What port does bzfs handle global login stuff on? |
| 16:38.57 | DTRemenak | game port incoming, 80 outgoing |
| 16:39.43 | spldart | If, when I'm ready, I map game port to the linux machine it should then start global login? |
| 16:40.52 | uso | spldart: don't mess arround with root, bzfs should not be run by root and don't mix user data with system data |
| 16:41.06 | spldart | ? |
| 16:41.18 | uso | make a user for bzfs and put all your files in the home dir of this user |
| 16:41.33 | spldart | including the bzfs executable? |
| 16:41.36 | uso | like user bzfs and /home/bzfs |
| 16:41.58 | spldart | I had already created a user (bzuser) |
| 16:42.04 | uso | no, this is a package, which is installed under /user |
| 16:42.04 | spldart | and have a home dir for him |
| 16:42.16 | uso | good |
| 16:42.50 | uso | then put your maps and config files in the home dir of this user (/home/bzuser) |
| 16:42.57 | spldart | I assume if I log in under bzuser I still run my bzfs through the console |
| 16:43.15 | uso | yes |
| 16:43.25 | spldart | Why is it so important to have a serperate user for say bzflag? |
| 16:43.41 | uso | it's for security |
| 16:43.48 | spldart | I run xp as a administrator all the time. How is it different than root for linux |
| 16:43.52 | spldart | security? |
| 16:44.05 | BearPerson | running linux, you care about security :) |
| 16:44.11 | uso | on windows you also don't run all programs as administrator ;) |
| 16:44.23 | spldart | true |
| 16:44.55 | spldart | I am used to being able to go anywhere in the OS and doing anything I want without changing to an admin |
| 16:45.31 | uso | if some evil bzflag developer puts in a backdorr he completely could control your box ;) |
| 16:46.03 | spldart | btw... as root can I get alist of all users passwords I have? |
| 16:46.12 | jpa_ | or if jpa ever get some patch into bzfs and makes a mistake :P |
| 16:46.50 | jpa_ | spldart: no, and yes |
| 16:46.56 | jpa_ | they are encrypted |
| 16:47.12 | spldart | ah |
| 16:47.14 | uso | joke ... but if bzfs has a security hole (and every software has it) you only get the rights of the bzuser, not root (or admin rights) over the network |
| 16:47.17 | jpa_ | so, there is password-cracking programs that take a lot of cpu power to decrypt them |
| 16:47.33 | spldart | ic |
| 16:47.49 | spldart | I do have that, lots of cpu power, on this machine. but not the linux machine |
| 16:48.02 | jpa_ | but that is only possible if they have the encrypted passwords |
| 16:48.13 | jpa_ | that is available only to root on modern linux systems |
| 16:48.28 | spldart | How do I do log outs and logins in X |
| 16:49.08 | spldart | and how do I shut down bzfs in the terminal |
| 16:49.21 | uso | spldart: but as root you do not need passwords of your users, you can change to every user without a password from root account |
| 16:49.32 | uso | ctrl-c |
| 16:50.03 | spldart | thanks ctrlc worked |
| 16:50.15 | uso | where do you login? on a terminal or graphics? |
| 16:50.41 | spldart | So I can be logged in as root and run bzuser's bzfs -conf and I would be safe? |
| 16:50.45 | spldart | graphic |
| 16:51.01 | spldart | but I do log in terminal and enter a password from time to time to do root stuff |
| 16:51.11 | uso | i.e. have you a graphic screen to log in or do you log in on a text screen and do a startx or so? |
| 16:51.22 | uso | aha |
| 16:51.30 | uso | ctrl-d |
| 16:51.37 | uso | or maybe type logout |
| 16:52.05 | uso | or exit should also do the job |
| 16:52.13 | spldart | graphic is the first password I enter on boot |
| 16:52.39 | uso | so you sholu have a menu entry somewhere to log out |
| 16:52.47 | uso | *should |
| 16:53.44 | spldart | yeah... your right |
| 16:53.57 | spldart | where are the created users'.. I lost mine :-o |
| 16:54.02 | spldart | folder |
| 16:54.08 | uso | if your normal pc is another box it's probably the best to install ssh on both sides and run bzfs through ssh |
| 16:54.31 | uso | they are nowhere :) |
| 16:54.50 | uso | you can look at /etc/passwd which users your system knows |
| 16:55.27 | spldart | found it /home/bzuser/ |
| 16:55.42 | uso | and usually under /home exist a directory for every user |
| 16:55.49 | uso | ah, yes |
| 16:56.42 | spldart | I'm starting to get a feel for this. I just made /home/bzuser/bzstuff |
| 16:56.49 | spldart | now to copy my config and map over to it |
| 16:57.09 | BearPerson | you can just copy them directly to /home/bzuser |
| 16:57.16 | BearPerson | there's not too much there anyway, I think |
| 16:57.33 | uso | doesn't matter :) |
| 16:58.12 | uso | a subdir makes it easier if you gamble arround with more than one server |
| 16:58.37 | spldart | Now I need to chown them.... |
| 16:58.47 | uso | ?? |
| 16:58.50 | BearPerson | does the server need to write them? |
| 16:59.06 | BearPerson | anyone can read them just the way they are now too |
| 16:59.06 | uso | you should have copied them as bzuser ;) |
| 16:59.36 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (Swtviki@host-40-145-230-24.midco.net) |
| 16:59.46 | BearPerson | "chown -r bzuser:users /home/bzuser/bzstuff" is what you want |
| 17:00.04 | uso | does bzuser own them? you can check with ls -l |
| 17:00.06 | spldart | wow |
| 17:00.16 | spldart | I already switched with with chown. |
| 17:00.31 | spldart | I rremembered how to from a hour or two ogo |
| 17:00.45 | spldart | I'm mkdir, chown, cp, root ING all over the place |
| 17:00.46 | spldart | :p |
| 17:00.48 | uso | ahh, learning :) |
| 17:01.17 | BearPerson | chown -r changes onwership of directories, subdirs and the files they contain |
| 17:01.18 | spldart | but learning linux is making me mess up my /\ with windows |
| 17:01.22 | BearPerson | "r"ecursively |
| 17:01.30 | uso | lol spldart |
| 17:01.33 | spldart | yeah. I used -r |
| 17:01.51 | spldart | how do I create a user again? |
| 17:02.05 | creeperz | spldart: alchemy |
| 17:02.06 | BearPerson | I'd use the distro tool there |
| 17:02.08 | uso | as a hint, stay away with these commands from system dirs like /usr, /etc, ... |
| 17:02.19 | BearPerson | rofl @ creeperz |
| 17:02.39 | uso | useradd or adduser |
| 17:02.48 | BearPerson | "adduser" is the command line tool but it's uncomfortable |
| 17:03.08 | spldart | that's how I did it last time |
| 17:03.13 | spldart | okies |
| 17:03.18 | spldart | just wanted a reminder |
| 17:03.27 | spldart | I am now logged in as bzuser |
| 17:03.28 | BearPerson | atta geek ;-) |
| 17:03.51 | spldart | I hope I can still open a terminal, enter a password and 'root' around ;) |
| 17:04.11 | uso | for the beginning it's better to use command line, so you may later remember how things work ;) |
| 17:04.35 | spldart | I'mma try to restart bzfs with the new placed .conf and map |
| 17:04.47 | BearPerson | spldart, sure |
| 17:04.57 | BearPerson | there's the command "su" for "super user" |
| 17:05.06 | BearPerson | it asks you for the root password and then you're root |
| 17:05.21 | uso | no need for root if bzfs is installed, all other things like config, maps and starting/stopping server can be done as bzuser |
| 17:05.23 | BearPerson | exit that shell and you're back where you were before |
| 17:05.29 | spldart | that's right! I used that before too |
| 17:05.31 | spldart | su |
| 17:05.33 | uso | and should be ... ;) |
| 17:05.46 | BearPerson | the other way round works too... "su bzuser" turns root into bzuser |
| 17:05.48 | spldart | Now... do I need to be su or root to run bzfs? |
| 17:06.06 | uso | always bzuser |
| 17:06.18 | uso | no su, no root |
| 17:06.27 | BearPerson | but remember, don't use "su" and "su bzuser" to just switch there and back, exit the shell to get back to the other user ;-) |
| 17:06.28 | spldart | k... i'l try it |
| 17:06.44 | BearPerson | otherwise you'll have to get out of ~20 shells after a while ;-) |
| 17:08.47 | spldart | YES I'm running bzfs under bzuser with the .conf and map in the bzuser home directory /home/bzuser/bzstuff/ |
| 17:08.49 | uso | it's always better to (graphical) login as a normal user and make a su if you need root rights |
| 17:09.25 | BearPerson | yeah... another reason why there are not so many linux viruses there |
| 17:09.28 | spldart | Is there a way of shortcutting the bzfs startup though? |
| 17:09.45 | BearPerson | like a script? |
| 17:09.48 | uso | make an alias or a wrapper script |
| 17:09.55 | BearPerson | make a file |
| 17:09.58 | spldart | I have no idea what tha tis |
| 17:10.00 | BearPerson | with two lines |
| 17:10.16 | BearPerson | the first being "#!/bin/bash" (without the quotes) |
| 17:10.20 | uso | alis myserver='bzfs -conf...' |
| 17:10.27 | BearPerson | and the second is the command you use to start bzfs |
| 17:10.47 | BearPerson | then do "chmod +x myscript" and you've got a script :) |
| 17:10.49 | uso | *alias |
| 17:11.01 | spldart | How would I make a file... can I create document in file browser or does this need to be in terminal? |
| 17:11.06 | uso | or what BearPerson said |
| 17:11.06 | BearPerson | uso, aliases would vanish on logout though |
| 17:11.14 | BearPerson | spldart, no favorite editor yet? |
| 17:11.19 | spldart | no |
| 17:11.20 | BearPerson | "nano myscript" |
| 17:11.23 | spldart | but ok |
| 17:11.29 | uso | this woulb be part two ;) |
| 17:11.33 | BearPerson | nice rather friendly console editor |
| 17:11.35 | uso | *would |
| 17:11.36 | BearPerson | or joe |
| 17:11.45 | BearPerson | I really wouldn |
| 17:11.49 | BearPerson | 't recommend vim ;-) |
| 17:11.59 | BearPerson | not to windows users :) |
| 17:12.13 | [dmp] | why not? vim works on win32 too :) |
| 17:12.17 | spldart | ok...so text editor would work |
| 17:12.27 | uso | lol, we probably sitting here late in the evening supporting spldart using vim :) |
| 17:13.19 | [dmp] | i've never really recommended vim to anyone - because i dont want to support 'em :) |
| 17:13.38 | [dmp] | if they want to learn they need to find it themselves. |
| 17:13.45 | [dmp] | and no, they are not getting my tea-cup :) |
| 17:14.40 | uso | spldart: but if you are on linux it's a need to try vi(m) ... otherwise you will not be able to take part in editor wars ;) |
| 17:15.01 | uso | [dmp]: :) |
| 17:15.09 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 17:15.38 | BearPerson | first vi hint: never edit an important file with vi(m) before you know vi well |
| 17:16.06 | [dmp] | second vi hint; disable bell :) |
| 17:16.34 | BearPerson | typing badGer probably deletes the entire file in command mode ;-) |
| 17:16.52 | BearPerson | [dmp], or enable visual bell ;-) |
| 17:17.03 | spldart | I used an editor to create what the script just like you said bear person but how do I make it work? |
| 17:17.14 | uso | BearPerson: should not |
| 17:17.45 | uso | there is an a before the d |
| 17:17.49 | BearPerson | spldart, do "chmod +x myscript" |
| 17:18.10 | spldart | in a terminal? |
| 17:18.13 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 17:18.17 | spldart | ah |
| 17:18.19 | spldart | my bad |
| 17:18.28 | BearPerson | then simply type "./myscript" to run it (in a terminal too) |
| 17:18.30 | uso | it's always in a terminal :) |
| 17:19.04 | BearPerson | you can always enhance the script, for example to automatically stop and then restart the server, but that later ;-) |
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| 17:20.46 | spldart | I now have a bzshortcut and a ~bzshortcut in the directory |
| 17:21.13 | BearPerson | bzshortcut~ is a backup copy |
| 17:21.17 | BearPerson | or whatever |
| 17:21.34 | BearPerson | every edit it makes a copy of the old version in case you did something terribly wrong |
| 17:21.45 | uso | nice shoooooorrrrrrrrttttttttttcut :) |
| 17:22.31 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 17:23.58 | spldart | Now It can't find bzfs grrrrr |
| 17:24.33 | uso | add /usr/games/bzfs |
| 17:24.44 | uso | instead of only bzfs |
| 17:24.57 | uso | or whereever bzfs lives |
| 17:25.12 | spldart | I did. |
| 17:25.24 | spldart | I'm using the same line that I run from the terminal manually |
| 17:25.30 | spldart | lemme jack with this a bit |
| 17:25.35 | spldart | :mad: at linux |
| 17:25.36 | spldart | hehe |
| 17:25.43 | uso | than you have mistyped the first line in the script |
| 17:26.33 | BearPerson | or you don't have chmod +x'ed the script yet |
| 17:27.23 | uso | should give another error, permission denied or so |
| 17:28.14 | BearPerson | ah, right |
| 17:28.34 | uso | you don't even need this #!/bin/bash line, try if it works without it |
| 17:28.41 | BearPerson | the script should look "#!/bin/bash" "/usr/games/bzfs -conf ..." |
| 17:28.50 | BearPerson | the two quoted parts in two lines |
| 17:29.11 | spldart | that's what I got... but I'm not even able to run it the first way.. typing out in a terminal |
| 17:29.24 | spldart | the terminal doesn't give me an error either. It just goes quiet |
| 17:29.53 | BearPerson | maybe the server is running then |
| 17:30.02 | BearPerson | as a program on that terminal |
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| 17:30.13 | uso | spldart: do you have the full path for your config file added? |
| 17:30.32 | uso | look with "ps ax|grep bzfs" if it runs |
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| 17:34.07 | uso | is there anywhere a description how to make the debian packages of bzflag? |
| 17:39.34 | BearPerson | Pimpi, _Manu_, around? |
| 17:39.48 | BearPerson | viper.pimpi seems to be having network trouble |
| 17:40.17 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 17:40.24 | _Manu_ | let me see |
| 17:41.40 | spldart | shortcut fixed.. stupid simple... I must be getting eye tired |
| 17:46.33 | spldart | I got my glasses on ;) |
| 17:47.59 | spldart | Is it possible to make bzflag start when linux starts? |
| 17:48.26 | BearPerson | probably, but how would be debian-specific |
| 17:48.44 | uso | yes, you can add a startscript to /etc/init.d |
| 17:49.06 | spldart | could I copy my startscript to the /etc/init.d ? |
| 17:49.18 | uso | needs also a few links |
| 17:49.40 | uso | no, you have to change it a bit as these scripts will be run by root |
| 17:50.10 | BearPerson | yeah... lemme see... |
| 17:50.23 | BearPerson | *trying to remember sysv init* |
| 17:50.58 | uso | the simplest way is to call your start script from the init.d script |
| 17:51.35 | uso | make a file under /etc/init.d, e.g. bzfs |
| 17:51.47 | BearPerson | first line the usual |
| 17:51.57 | spldart | ok lemme start... |
| 17:52.11 | BearPerson | second line "su bzuser -c /home/bzuser/myshoooooooorrrrrrrtcut" |
| 17:52.22 | uso | yeah |
| 17:53.11 | spldart | I'm checking syntax myself |
| 17:53.23 | spldart | lotsa stuff in here atuo starting |
| 17:54.14 | uso | this file (/etc/init.d/bzfs) should be owned by root and have no write permissions for other users |
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| 17:54.43 | uso | yes, a lot of examples are there :) |
| 17:55.31 | spldart | i have #!/bin/bash/ on my first line |
| 17:55.40 | uso | you also can make it "system conform", i.e. with start, stop, restart, ... option |
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| 17:55.57 | spldart | Should I enter the path and filename to my current shorcut?> |
| 17:55.58 | uso | but for the beginning ... |
| 17:56.04 | uso | yes |
| 17:56.20 | uso | as BearPerson wrote ;) |
| 17:56.48 | spldart | ok OH |
| 17:59.22 | JeffM2501 | how goes your nixish experience spldart ? |
| 18:00.49 | uso | he's already remembering commands, starts getting a wizzard :) |
| 18:05.21 | spldart | It's been rough but I think I'm doing better than many others that come in here not knowing their bash from a hole in the ground. |
| 18:05.31 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 18:06.02 | spldart | I'm getting a bad interpretor: not a directory with my new script to start bzfs when debian starts |
| 18:06.31 | spldart | Anywho. I got linux up, I got a test bzfs server going inside the lan only |
| 18:07.21 | uso | oops, you do not even a link to call your script at boot time, haven't you? |
| 18:07.30 | uso | *have a link |
| 18:08.08 | BearPerson | spldart, then your first line is wrong |
| 18:08.41 | spldart | first line #!/bin/bash/ |
| 18:08.59 | uso | but anyhow it may be better to start your server by hand for the first time |
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| 18:09.22 | spldart | I'm trying to get a script to start the script I have working for starting bzfs. Then I will move the new script to the etc init folder |
| 18:10.01 | uso | for later you may have a look at /etc/init.d/skeleton, this is a sample script for starting things "system conform" |
| 18:10.03 | spldart | This thing has to be automatic. So if let's say the power blinks.. The wife and can turn on the machine and everything will be running |
| 18:11.07 | uso | do you have started your test script as root? |
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| 18:13.02 | uso | no trailing slash |
| 18:13.24 | uso | after /bin/bash |
| 18:14.12 | uso | it also would be better to use /bin/sh |
| 18:14.55 | uso | as a convention if you need not explicitly the extended possibilities of a bash |
| 18:16.03 | Pimpi | spldart: read the manpage for update-rc.d if it's available for yu |
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| 18:16.32 | Pimpi | not sure if it's debian specific |
| 18:16.44 | uso | he has debian |
| 18:16.50 | Pimpi | fine then |
| 18:17.35 | Pimpi | don't mess around manually in /etc/rc?.d/* |
| 18:17.43 | Pimpi | use update-rc.d |
| 18:17.46 | spldart | Ok... fixed all my errors |
| 18:17.57 | spldart | but it asks for a password when it starts |
| 18:18.11 | Pimpi | did u use sudo? |
| 18:18.14 | uso | than you dont have run it as root |
| 18:18.38 | spldart | cuz my second line is su bzuser -c /home/blah blah |
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| 18:19.06 | spldart | can I drop the su bzuser and then stick it in the init folder? |
| 18:19.24 | uso | you can, but you shoulnt |
| 18:19.29 | spldart | ok |
| 18:19.30 | Pimpi | don't drop it, just run it as root |
| 18:19.34 | uso | then it runs as root |
| 18:19.43 | spldart | what should I do. |
| 18:19.48 | spldart | to the script |
| 18:20.01 | Pimpi | init will run it as root |
| 18:20.11 | spldart | so I don't have to change my script just move it |
| 18:20.12 | uso | nothing, test it as root user |
| 18:20.39 | spldart | Oh... I can enter a password and it works |
| 18:20.57 | spldart | but I want it to start automatically |
| 18:21.10 | Pimpi | you can also change ownership for the binary to the user you want it to be run as and set suit |
| 18:21.10 | uso | have you started the script as root? it should not ask for a password |
| 18:22.09 | uso | Pimpi: it's the package, shouldn't mess around with this as it will be overriden by an update |
| 18:22.11 | spldart | Yes. It's fine in root |
| 18:22.28 | Pimpi | ic |
| 18:22.52 | Pimpi | spldart: though you should run it in a chroot |
| 18:23.26 | uso | Pimpi: can update-rc.d make only start links? |
| 18:23.36 | Pimpi | no |
| 18:23.53 | uso | chroot is for later :) |
| 18:24.04 | Pimpi | k |
| 18:24.18 | Pimpi | not too late hopefully |
| 18:24.41 | uso | as long as nothing others runs on this system ... |
| 18:25.12 | uso | spldart: copy your script to /etc/init.d |
| 18:25.21 | Pimpi | so it's only connected to the net? no lan connection? |
| 18:25.21 | uso | as root |
| 18:25.56 | uso | check owner and permissions after copy, should be owned by root like the other scripts there |
| 18:26.17 | Pimpi | island hopping is fun once you passed the perimeter |
| 18:26.18 | spldart | just a sec |
| 18:26.34 | Pimpi | anyway, laterz ;) |
| 18:27.02 | spldart | okies |
| 18:27.12 | spldart | was making plans on phone with brother for roadtrip |
| 18:27.16 | uso | if it has two nics than ... |
| 18:30.06 | spldart | Ok.. cp script from home bzuser to etc init.d |
| 18:30.11 | spldart | it is now owned by root |
| 18:30.15 | spldart | I have 1 nic |
| 18:30.17 | spldart | on lan |
| 18:30.36 | spldart | but I plan on eventually running apache and software fireall router |
| 18:30.40 | spldart | cable modem on usb |
| 18:31.39 | uso | doesn't matter, is also a network interface, so you should think about security |
| 18:31.41 | spldart | crap... it's still asking for a password |
| 18:31.58 | spldart | when I run it from etc init.d |
| 18:32.02 | uso | even if you run it as root? |
| 18:32.12 | spldart | I'm logged in as a user |
| 18:32.19 | spldart | I'm sure if I log out and log in as root |
| 18:32.22 | spldart | it would be fine |
| 18:32.24 | uso | doesn't matter where it is ;) |
| 18:32.29 | spldart | or I can open a terminal as root |
| 18:32.40 | spldart | then run it from there with no password probpt |
| 18:33.04 | spldart | let me specify. |
| 18:33.18 | uso | spldart: do you have a "&" sign at the end of the command line in either of your scripts? |
| 18:33.28 | spldart | I want to start the machine. Log in as bzuser. Machine auto starts bzfs |
| 18:33.44 | spldart | don't think so lemme look |
| 18:34.05 | spldart | no |
| 18:34.10 | uso | you wanna start it on boot or when you login? |
| 18:34.20 | uso | that's a difference ;) |
| 18:34.45 | spldart | Yes. Boot. Login under a normal user like bzuser. and bzfs and apache auto start |
| 18:35.02 | spldart | So my wife could just turn it on and go after say the power is interupted by lightning |
| 18:35.10 | spldart | while I'm at work |
| 18:35.30 | spldart | I believe apache starts auto already |
| 18:35.30 | uso | put a & at the end of the bzfs line in your /home/bzuser/bz..... |
| 18:35.48 | spldart | in the one in etc/init.d? |
| 18:36.04 | uso | or does the server goes into background automatically? |
| 18:36.39 | spldart | no the terminal stays open |
| 18:36.45 | spldart | which I prefer |
| 18:37.00 | uso | if you call your script in /home/bzuser from a terminal does the prompt of the termional come back after the start? |
| 18:37.49 | uso | you do not have a terminal if you start bzfs at boot time ;) |
| 18:38.01 | spldart | I believe the answer is no.. It continew to print stuff like players logging on and off etc |
| 18:38.16 | spldart | I can type in it too |
| 18:38.20 | spldart | but there isn't a prompt |
| 18:39.10 | uso | can you make a "ls" and get some file listing as an answer? |
| 18:39.37 | spldart | in the terminal with bz running? No. |
| 18:40.16 | uso | ok, then it doesn't go into background |
| 18:40.35 | spldart | but since I want to see the terminal maybe I should dump the plan to auto start at boot of user: bzuser |
| 18:40.45 | uso | do you have bzflag with -d running? then you need to redirect output to a file also |
| 18:40.50 | spldart | yes |
| 18:41.01 | uso | ok, i would drop it for now |
| 18:41.02 | spldart | -d is flagged |
| 18:41.06 | spldart | uh ok |
| 18:41.22 | spldart | replace it with something else to see what's going on? |
| 18:41.35 | uso | if you have learned a bit more on linux you can try this again |
| 18:42.17 | uso | as hints so far the /etc/init.d/skeleton and man update-rc.d as Pimpi already mentioned |
| 18:42.36 | spldart | I definetly want to see what is going on on my bzfs |
| 18:42.45 | spldart | that's why I'm running -d |
| 18:42.54 | uso | yes, you see it in the terminal |
| 18:43.10 | spldart | you mention dropping it though |
| 18:43.29 | uso | you also can make a logdir like /home/bzuser/log and redirect the output to a file there |
| 18:43.59 | spldart | How could I do that? |
| 18:44.05 | spldart | I've wanted to do that for a while |
| 18:44.07 | uso | bzfs ... >/home/bzuser/logfile |
| 18:45.24 | uso | or /home/bzuser/log/logfile-`date '+%Y%m%d%H%M%s'` |
| 18:45.24 | spldart | so usr/games/bzfs -conf /home/bzuser/bzstuff/my.conf >/home/bzuser/logfile? |
| 18:45.41 | uso | (from brain, check man date ;)) |
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| 18:46.07 | uso | if you want a separate logfile on each restart |
| 18:46.28 | uso | yes |
| 18:46.58 | uso | you can check your logfile in anoyher terminal with tail -f logfile |
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| 18:47.45 | uso | put an "&" at the end of the bzfs line |
| 18:48.26 | uso | so you can close the terminal where you have started bzfs or use it for the tail command after the start |
| 18:48.34 | spldart | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.53 | uso | yeah |
| 18:49.36 | uso | besides the missing / at the beginning |
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| 18:51.17 | spldart | crap.. debian locked up tight agin |
| 18:51.19 | spldart | again |
| 18:51.34 | uso | locked up? |
| 18:51.46 | uso | hit enter |
| 18:51.49 | water | where is the bug-tracking site? i'm seeing lock-up bugs on OS X under 2.0.2 |
| 18:52.19 | water | oh, duh. on SF.net. n/m |
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| 18:52.26 | spldart | no keystrokes work |
| 18:52.33 | uso | spldart: the prompt should reappear |
| 18:52.36 | spldart | mouse moves but nothing clicks either |
| 18:52.41 | spldart | prompt wont come up |
| 18:52.48 | spldart | I'm resetting |
| 18:53.04 | uso | resetting? ctrl-c should be enough |
| 18:53.09 | spldart | nope |
| 18:53.17 | spldart | ctrl-c didn't do anything either |
| 18:53.30 | water | it's not there. basically the program locks up if dns lookup for any server doesn't work perfectly |
| 18:53.34 | uso | you start your shortcut in /home/bzuser, doen't you? |
| 18:53.40 | spldart | I may need another break though |
| 18:53.43 | spldart | yeah it's there |
| 18:53.59 | water | oh well. i have other things to hack. bye |
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| 18:55.13 | uso | spldart: you don't have other lines in the script? |
| 18:55.20 | spldart | no |
| 18:56.04 | uso | hmm, couldn't be :) |
| 18:56.57 | spldart | hehe |
| 18:57.06 | uso | #!/bin/sh and /usr/games/bzfs -conf xxx >logfile & |
| 18:57.15 | uso | that's all? |
| 18:57.43 | spldart | yep |
| 18:57.46 | uso | this used to be come back ;) |
| 18:58.41 | uso | no output on the terminal after start? |
| 18:59.46 | spldart | ok |
| 18:59.54 | uso | have you tried to hit enter in this terminal? |
| 18:59.55 | spldart | fixed it by dropping the & |
| 19:00.04 | uso | hmm |
| 19:00.10 | spldart | Now a terminal starts with minimal info |
| 19:00.22 | spldart | and a log file starts with lots of info |
| 19:00.34 | spldart | which is a good thing |
| 19:00.35 | uso | ? |
| 19:00.54 | spldart | my bad words file isn't working though ;( |
| 19:01.29 | spldart | well. I have to open the log file but it's got lots of info |
| 19:02.04 | uso | i cannot completly reproduce what are you doing ;) |
| 19:02.27 | uso | open it with tail or an editor? |
| 19:02.32 | uso | ok |
| 19:02.44 | spldart | I just added the >logfile without the & |
| 19:02.54 | spldart | and I have what I want. a terminal and a logfile |
| 19:02.58 | spldart | lemme check something |
| 19:03.11 | uso | check the logfile for badword problems |
| 19:03.39 | spldart | yeah. it says it can't find the badword file I made. But it's the same place as the others... so dunno |
| 19:03.55 | uso | sounds good as a start point, you always can improve it later :) |
| 19:04.17 | spldart | yeah... |
| 19:04.26 | uso | go to the directory where the files live before start |
| 19:04.43 | uso | if this helps you can add a command to your script |
| 19:04.56 | spldart | I'm thinking of dinking some more tonight. Get it just the way I want. then map the ports for bz to this machine and get it doing at least the bzfs portion of my server duties |
| 19:05.41 | spldart | bz needs exclusive 5154 I know.. But does it need any other exclusive ports? |
| 19:06.07 | uso | not that i know |
| 19:06.13 | spldart | ok, |
| 19:06.16 | uso | but it needs tcp and udp |
| 19:06.24 | spldart | okies |
| 19:06.41 | spldart | I'mma take a break... Thanks a TON |
| 19:06.52 | spldart | I need a break from crt's and lcd's |
| 19:06.56 | uso | np |
| 19:07.47 | uso | good idea to take a break and eat something |
| 19:08.50 | spldart | ;) |
| 19:23.17 | menotume | spldart: yes, drinking more at night will help the whole situation |
| 19:25.09 | jpa_ | hi menotume |
| 19:25.14 | jpa_ | gnight menotume <3<3 |
| 19:25.19 | menotume | g'nite :) |
| 19:25.45 | jpa_ | no '<3'? |
| 19:32.14 | menotume | ooops |
| 19:32.26 | menotume | g'nite jpa_ <3 |
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| 20:06.47 | spldart | Is it possible, to make it easy to experiement, to put pieces of information into and out of the lines and place them behind # on other lines so they are not acted on.. Like bzflag conf file? |
| 20:07.15 | spldart | I'm referring to scripts in linux |
| 20:07.19 | wegstar | ... |
| 20:08.06 | spldart | what does --- mean? |
| 20:08.30 | spldart | ... |
| 20:08.49 | BearPerson | everything behind # in a bash script is ignored |
| 20:09.07 | spldart | sweat! thanks |
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| 20:13.00 | spldart | Should I also set up my Apache web server in a user and not root login? |
| 20:16.02 | BearPerson | might be smart |
| 20:16.24 | BearPerson | though I think it has an option to automatically switch to a normal user |
| 20:21.28 | spldart | ah cool |
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| 20:32.31 | uso | spldart: you cannot if you want apache using a port below 1024 |
| 20:33.23 | uso | knoppix is debian based with some efforts in hardware recognition and auto cofiguration |
| 20:34.18 | spldart | uh oh... |
| 20:34.19 | uso | debian should recognize a usb disk, you need install HOTplug ;) |
| 20:34.37 | spldart | I want to run apache on port 91 |
| 20:35.24 | uso | then you need root to start it, but iirc it drops privileges after start as BearPerson already said |
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| 20:36.30 | spldart | grrr |
| 20:36.32 | spldart | ordeals |
| 20:37.16 | spldart | I don't want to have to do alot of start this and that after say a power failure or whateva. :(... Hrm... I'll experiment anyway. see how it works |
| 20:37.38 | uso | ? |
| 20:37.48 | spldart | maybe I will have more work getting out on port 8080 this time |
| 20:37.52 | spldart | more luck |
| 20:38.04 | uso | install apache package from debian, it should have a startscript included |
| 20:38.10 | uso | for autostart on boot |
| 20:39.10 | spldart | I already optioned debian sargent to grab with window gui and apache on install ;) |
| 20:39.33 | uso | if you have power failure every month or so change cleaning lady or get an ups |
| 20:40.16 | spldart | Got ups. |
| 20:40.17 | spldart | 2 |
| 20:40.21 | spldart | lighting vaporized them |
| 20:40.24 | spldart | and a surge protector |
| 20:40.27 | spldart | and 2 computers |
| 20:40.29 | spldart | and a tv |
| 20:40.31 | spldart | and a vcr |
| 20:40.55 | uso | wow, direct hit |
| 20:40.58 | spldart | I've had 3 strikes hit the house so far |
| 20:41.02 | spldart | In the last 5 years |
| 20:41.07 | spldart | and lots of long turn outages |
| 20:41.16 | spldart | that a ups couldn't overcome |
| 20:41.48 | spldart | I'm afraid it's inevitable in this area |
| 20:41.56 | brlcad | it's just too nice outside .. time for a bike ride |
| 20:42.01 | uso | sounds like a third world country |
| 20:42.06 | spldart | Nah |
| 20:42.22 | spldart | We have terrible storms being the distance we are from the coast line |
| 20:42.37 | uso | hurrican range? |
| 20:42.48 | spldart | And when I lived in Kansas for 10 years I saw 5 tornadoes |
| 20:43.03 | spldart | One was the famous one that tore through mconnel airforce base |
| 20:43.45 | spldart | I can't complain to much. I absolutely love storms |
| 20:44.08 | spldart | well crud |
| 20:44.26 | uso | for visiting them yes, for having them at home no ;) |
| 20:44.30 | spldart | Debian doesn't see my usb drive... I'll have to do this the old fashioned way ;) |
| 20:44.46 | uso | have you installed hotplug? |
| 20:45.04 | spldart | no |
| 20:45.18 | uso | so it cant detect it |
| 20:45.23 | spldart | I just wanted to see if a reboot would allow it to pick up the usb drive |
| 20:45.30 | uso | no |
| 20:45.38 | spldart | ah |
| 20:45.43 | spldart | well... I don't need the usb drive |
| 20:45.49 | spldart | It would have just made it a tad easier |
| 20:46.00 | uso | lol |
| 20:46.45 | uso | you should learn a bit about debian package tools ;) |
| 20:46.56 | spldart | I'm learning as I go ;) |
| 20:46.57 | uso | apt-get install hotplug should do the job |
| 20:47.15 | spldart | I know. But... I did an apt-get for bzflag yesterday |
| 20:47.25 | spldart | But I'm worried about getting to much stuff on this machine |
| 20:47.30 | spldart | Want to keep it really simple |
| 20:47.47 | uso | ok, that's an argument |
| 20:48.02 | uso | so drop X :) |
| 20:48.56 | spldart | LOL |
| 20:49.07 | spldart | that's a concession to my feeble linux kung fu |
| 20:49.26 | uso | i know :) |
| 20:49.42 | spldart | "a man has got to know his limitations" /dirty harry |
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| 21:00.35 | BearPerson | orange, btw, I put a scoreboard patch up at sf |
| 21:00.52 | BearPerson | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1180336&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 21:03.14 | uso | is there any help in bzflag for making the debian packages? |
| 21:03.52 | *** part/#bzflag |zongo| (~zongo@80-218-207-188.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 21:05.34 | uso | found a debian dir with a Makefile, but a make without target gives me a nothing to do and i can't found a proper target for making the packages |
| 21:06.11 | orange | BearPerson: cool, I'll check it out |
| 21:06.48 | BearPerson | uso, did you build it regularly yet? |
| 21:07.00 | BearPerson | ./automake.sh && ./configure && make |
| 21:07.27 | Pimpi | uso: "debian/buildsnap cvs" |
| 21:10.37 | orange | BearPerson: so far it looks great! |
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| 21:10.55 | BearPerson | thanks :) |
| 21:11.12 | BearPerson | as I wrote, both my first bzflag patch and my first C++ ;-) |
| 21:11.54 | orange | I don't understand what shows up in "score" for win/loss |
| 21:12.02 | orange | like a person with 19-7 gets 27 |
| 21:12.10 | orange | and a person 14-36 gets 3 |
| 21:12.33 | BearPerson | yeah, maybe the sorting score could be made into a float |
| 21:12.48 | BearPerson | it's currently a short int, so I have to make do with that |
| 21:13.11 | BearPerson | and create nice sortable values... it actually is (int)(10*wins/loss) |
| 21:13.21 | orange | ohh |
| 21:13.31 | orange | I think someone figured out some kind of 'power index' or something like that |
| 21:13.37 | orange | I don't remember what it was though |
| 21:13.46 | orange | but I think you'll need negative numbers, floats, etc., for sure |
| 21:14.09 | BearPerson | feel free to change it, it'll be just a few type changes of vars, functions etc |
| 21:14.55 | BearPerson | well, I'll be off to sleep, have fun :) |
| 21:15.15 | BearPerson | power index... may have been win/(win+loss) |
| 21:15.31 | orange | may be, yeah... well, cool deal |
| 21:15.47 | orange | it's not the generic thing they were looking for (yet), but perhaps it is a start |
| 21:15.48 | BearPerson | ($score / $wins) * abs($score / 2) |
| 21:16.01 | orange | huh, that's complicated :-) |
| 21:16.02 | BearPerson | that's strength index |
| 21:16.51 | orange | still rewards players who have been playing longer |
| 21:17.23 | BearPerson | yeah, that's one of the main reasons why I like the simple wins/losses |
| 21:18.40 | BearPerson | off to bed, l8er everyone |
| 21:18.43 | orange | cu BearPerson |
| 21:20.45 | uso | BearPerson: yes, i have already made it and used to install it in /usr/local |
| 21:21.39 | spldart | woah... I have hotplug on this machine already |
| 21:21.50 | uso | Pimpi: it needs the binaries made before, right? do i need other configure optiona than --prefix=/usr/games ? |
| 21:22.56 | BearPerson | uso, you making an rpm for a distribution or for users? |
| 21:23.30 | uso | no, for me, i'm just curious |
| 21:23.40 | uso | and i try to make a deb |
| 21:24.34 | BearPerson | ah, yeah |
| 21:24.45 | BearPerson | the usual /usr or /usr/local question ;-) |
| 21:27.18 | uso | does your scoreboard patch offer a sorting for "strength" (like on the bzbb stats)? |
| 21:28.02 | BearPerson | not yet I think, but it wouldn't be too hard to add |
| 21:30.50 | uso | ah, a win / loss will also do the job, maybe even better |
| 21:33.33 | spldart | How can I make myself root so as to work with files that belong to root in gnome? |
| 21:33.47 | spldart | I want to edit my apache setup files |
| 21:34.02 | uso | su |
| 21:34.26 | spldart | su in a terminal? |
| 21:34.32 | uso | yes |
| 21:34.33 | spldart | will make me god in gnome? |
| 21:35.15 | uso | no, only gives you the rights in to do things as root in this terminal |
| 21:35.47 | uso | you shouldn't at all not using gnome or such monsters as root ;) |
| 21:36.08 | spldart | How would I edit the text in a configuration file in apache? |
| 21:36.17 | uso | if you want you can start your texteditor from this ter inal |
| 21:36.29 | spldart | ah |
| 21:36.32 | uso | terminal |
| 21:37.23 | uso | if you use an editor which needs X you may need to allow it to access your desktop |
| 21:41.32 | Pimpi | uso: you don't need to do anything else but debian/buildsnap cvs |
| 21:42.58 | Pimpi | prefix and all other debian specific parameters are defines in debian/rules |
| 21:43.25 | spldart | How can I be root, in a terminal, and denied access to a config file :confused: |
| 21:45.08 | Pimpi | uso: if you want to build on woody you need to remove package dependencies for the -glu stuff in debian/control though |
| 21:45.22 | Pimpi | spldart: which file? |
| 21:46.01 | wegstar | ~orange++ |
| 21:46.11 | wegstar | for yesterday's quick response :) |
| 21:47.22 | Pimpi | nite |
| 21:47.30 | spldart | the configuration files in apache2 |
| 21:48.02 | uso | Pimpi: hehe, i would have expected an easy way as timriker is also the debian maintainer |
| 21:48.11 | uso | but this is even easier :) |
| 21:48.57 | uso | spldart: what editor do you use? |
| 21:49.44 | spldart | I had first tried a text editor. Then I tried opening the file in a terminal. but still permission denied |
| 21:49.51 | spldart | I'm googling my butt off ;) |
| 21:50.52 | uso | opening the file in a terminal? with which program? |
| 21:51.40 | spldart | text edtiro |
| 21:51.43 | spldart | editor |
| 21:51.52 | uso | you may have to try to forgot your windows way of thinking ;) |
| 21:52.10 | uso | is it named texteditor? |
| 21:52.25 | spldart | well.. in the gnome gui it is |
| 21:52.28 | spldart | :( |
| 21:52.39 | uso | lol, see above :) |
| 21:53.07 | spldart | I know |
| 21:54.05 | uso | try to start from the terminal you have done the su: nano myfilenametoedit |
| 21:54.34 | uso | it's a terminal texteditor though |
| 21:55.10 | uso | but have a few commands with ctrl-keys, should be enough for editing a conffile |
| 21:56.58 | spldart | Oh... now that is pretty freakan cool 8-d |
| 21:57.26 | uso | *grin* |
| 21:57.48 | spldart | I DEFINETLY need to remember 'nano' |
| 21:58.33 | uso | otherwise there is a little tool gksu which allows you to start programs with root permissions inside of gnome |
| 21:58.59 | uso | don't know if it's installed per default and where toi find it in the gnome menues |
| 21:59.10 | uso | never used it ;) |
| 21:59.27 | uso | if you like nano you MAY like vim later :) |
| 22:00.05 | spldart | gksu... I used that yesterday for something |
| 22:00.11 | trepan | emacs is probably closer to being nano's older brother |
| 22:00.20 | trepan | dual-moded vim is the black sheep of the family |
| 22:00.40 | uso | lol |
| 22:01.07 | uso | i said may :) |
| 22:01.37 | uso | never used emacs without X |
| 22:01.52 | uso | and even xemacs i have used seldom |
| 22:01.54 | spldart | I know I've used gksu though |
| 22:02.41 | trepan | easy editor to use/learn, good configurability, fairly feature rich (v3+) |
| 22:02.42 | uso | yes, nano was the first i remembered |
| 22:02.55 | uso | and there are probably a dozen others |
| 22:03.17 | trepan | couple 'o dozen at least ;-) |
| 22:04.55 | uso | spldart: make backups ;) |
| 22:06.35 | uso | no space left on device ... damn, harddisks are ALWAYS full |
| 22:06.55 | spldart | backups of the conf files? |
| 22:07.11 | spldart | I'm still trying to figure out how to even configure them :( |
| 22:08.28 | uso | yes, if you got one working it's not a bad idea to save it before further editing |
| 22:08.41 | spldart | k |
| 22:08.57 | spldart | I just want something simple like my abyss personal web server. |
| 22:09.27 | spldart | I want it to listen on 91 and server file directly linked to fromt eh outside world |
| 22:09.47 | trepan | thttpd is a simple http server |
| 22:09.59 | uso | there is |
| 22:10.08 | uso | trepan was faster :) |
| 22:10.14 | spldart | ? |
| 22:10.29 | spldart | maybe I shouldnt have get-apt apache then :( |
| 22:10.53 | uso | thttpd - tiny/turbo/throttling HTTP server |
| 22:10.59 | uso | micro-httpd - really small HTTP server |
| 22:11.13 | uso | debian has it all :) |
| 22:11.24 | trepan | thttpd also does the chroot'ing and has virtual servers, quite easy to config |
| 22:11.26 | spldart | built in? |
| 22:11.27 | uso | 10000 packages or so |
| 22:11.56 | trepan | 15400+ in testing |
| 22:12.04 | uso | or so ... |
| 22:12.25 | uso | spldart: apt-cache search is your friend |
| 22:12.27 | spldart | Well. I like to be able to throw something on a shared folder on server then link to it to shoe people on the web. When I link to http://spldart.bakadigital.com:91/ you see abyss on my 98 machine |
| 22:12.38 | spldart | I just need to do the same thing on the new linux machine |
| 22:13.30 | trepan | apt-get install thttpd , man thttpd |
| 22:13.31 | spldart | And If I make something real easy like these small server packages. Can I un-get-apt apache? :p |
| 22:13.36 | uso | every http server should do that, i never have used one of the smaller, so trust trepan ;) |
| 22:13.40 | trepan | apt-get remove <package> |
| 22:13.49 | spldart | ah |
| 22:13.51 | spldart | coolies |
| 22:14.01 | spldart | I'm going to do this. Cuz apache is more than I need |
| 22:14.08 | trepan | spldart: i'd suggest you also try dselect or aptitude |
| 22:14.11 | uso | definitly |
| 22:14.19 | trepan | (although dselect's key bindings kinda suck) |
| 22:14.42 | spldart | what are they (dsel and apti) |
| 22:14.45 | uso | almost all package tools on debian sucks ;) |
| 22:14.58 | uso | not in the functionallity, but in the ui |
| 22:15.06 | trepan | spldart: curses interfaces for apt management |
| 22:15.27 | trepan | remember, not clicky but scrolly? |
| 22:16.04 | spldart | wow. getting rid of apache only free's 65.2 of disk space |
| 22:16.07 | spldart | 65.2k |
| 22:16.59 | uso | it's modular, it may have installed some other packages for apache |
| 22:17.10 | uso | try deborphan |
| 22:19.44 | spldart | I'm not worried about trying to prune the directories right now... What was that simple server called again? |
| 22:19.47 | uso | spldart: there's also a gnome-apt, clicky interface for package management |
| 22:19.57 | uso | dont ask me how good it is ;) |
| 22:20.47 | uso | scroll back :) |
| 22:21.33 | spldart | can I get-apt apache? and would it operate the same pretty much as on windows? |
| 22:21.39 | spldart | not apache |
| 22:21.41 | spldart | abyss |
| 22:23.15 | uso | don't know if it exists for linux at all, but debian does not have it ... apt-cache search abyss |
| 22:24.24 | uso | if debian doesn't have a software the reason almost all is either it does not exist for linux or it's licence is not free |
| 22:30.33 | wegstar | spldart: apache is similar to HTML and in conf files.. no friendly interface :) |
| 22:31.06 | wegstar | I wonder if there's an abyss for linux... |
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| 22:31.46 | wegstar | hmm.. there is.. |
| 22:31.49 | wegstar | hi thumper_ |
| 22:34.47 | uso | wegstar: seems to be, but no debian packages |
| 22:35.23 | uso | even the license would fit |
| 22:35.56 | uso | spldart: you may only have to wait until it comes to debian ... or compile it yourself |
| 22:36.59 | wegstar | spldart: or use another webserver daemon, altogether... |
| 22:37.39 | spldart | I'm going to try to configure thttpd. |
| 22:37.53 | spldart | It looks simple enough for me to get running ;) |
| 22:37.57 | wegstar | :) |
| 22:38.43 | wegstar | hmm.. you might want to try Xampp... |
| 22:39.06 | wegstar | "tested for SuSE, RedHat, Mandrake and Debian" |
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| 22:39.38 | wegstar | has everything you would ever need :) |
| 22:39.56 | bugman | Hey, I got banned from a server or I cannot connect, Why? |
| 22:40.56 | wegstar | you may have been caught in a ban that was set for a wide range of ip addresses... |
| 22:41.04 | wegstar | err.. |
| 22:41.09 | spldart | dude... does debian do cleanup and filekeeping in the background? My hd just started running like crazy |
| 22:41.16 | wegstar | :) |
| 22:41.23 | wegstar | bugman: what server? |
| 22:41.35 | bugman | but I did nothing wrong |
| 22:41.52 | bugman | well, I SHOULD have registered..... |
| 22:42.00 | wegstar | nope.. its not that |
| 22:42.16 | wegstar | what server were you on? |
| 22:42.16 | bugman | pie-in-the-shy, kicks-ass, NYC |
| 22:42.19 | wegstar | ok |
| 22:42.35 | uso | spldart: it does a lot in background :) |
| 22:42.41 | spldart | ic |
| 22:42.42 | [dmp] | spldart: mine does that too, found it was "updatedb" running |
| 22:42.49 | spldart | ah |
| 22:43.37 | bugman | I know my son has been using my callsign |
| 22:43.57 | uso | refreshes some of it's "databeses", cleans up things, rotates logfiles, ... |
| 22:44.00 | [dmp] | spldart: the db its updating (if it IS that program causing the disk activity) is used for "locate" program. you can write "locate bzflag" and it will return files/path with "bzflag" in it rather quick. |
| 22:44.08 | wegstar | no, it may not be that... ;) |
| 22:44.23 | [dmp] | spldart: what time is it (at your place?) |
| 22:44.25 | bugman | hmmm, ??? |
| 22:44.37 | spldart | 5:44pm |
| 22:45.07 | wegstar | 3:44 pm |
| 22:45.31 | spldart | I'm trying to find a tutorial so I can configure thttpd |
| 22:45.41 | uso | it normally does such things nightly |
| 22:45.45 | [dmp] | spldart: i might be mistaking. My updatedb runs late at night (around 2am iirc) |
| 22:45.53 | bugman | so why can't I join? |
| 22:46.06 | uso | man thttpd ;), may be /usr/share/doc/thttpd |
| 22:46.17 | wegstar | hmm |
| 22:46.33 | wegstar | he's not answering my "hello"s |
| 22:46.40 | uso | spldart: use top to see what is running |
| 22:46.47 | bugman | can you ask for me, since I can't even send a request |
| 22:46.54 | bugman | thanks |
| 22:46.57 | spldart | it finished the hd activity |
| 22:47.07 | uso | next time :) |
| 22:47.32 | spldart | oooOOOooo |
| 22:47.35 | spldart | top is cool |
| 22:47.38 | [dmp] | spldart: "top" can give you an idea of what programs are using the cpu. |
| 22:47.40 | [dmp] | oh |
| 22:47.51 | wegstar | bugman: go to his website at psychonut.dydns.org:344/bzfsrules.html |
| 22:48.00 | wegstar | and see if his email address is there |
| 22:48.22 | wegstar | then you can email the admin about your problem |
| 22:48.58 | wegstar | hmm |
| 22:49.05 | bugman | thanks again! |
| 22:49.25 | wegstar | hmm |
| 22:49.34 | wegstar | does it work? |
| 22:49.41 | [dmp] | not here |
| 22:50.06 | bugman | checking (me?) |
| 22:50.19 | wegstar | yes |
| 22:50.28 | wegstar | cause I can't access it |
| 22:50.48 | bugman | I did start my own server but Iv'e had complaints 'cause it's not a new version |
| 22:51.01 | cosmos | etc[3~[3~ |
| 22:51.02 | wegstar | o |
| 22:51.32 | wegstar | o |
| 22:52.12 | bugman | nope, URL does exsist |
| 22:52.20 | wegstar | hmm |
| 22:52.24 | bugman | nope, URL does not exsist |
| 22:52.27 | wegstar | oh well |
| 22:52.29 | bugman | sry |
| 22:52.48 | bugman | oh well, I have my site |
| 22:52.52 | wegstar | :) |
| 22:54.07 | spldart | in the man it says to chroot() to keep the served files inside an assigned folder and sub folders... does that mean I would enter chroot(/home/bzuser/shared/)? |
| 22:55.40 | uso | chroot is kind of a jail for an application |
| 22:56.09 | uso | in the jail the app need to have all it need to live but nothing more |
| 22:56.10 | spldart | I would like to force it to server from a directory of my choosing and nothing else |
| 22:56.35 | [dmp] | spldart: http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/BZFS_20in_20a_20chroot_20Jail |
| 22:57.11 | uso | hmm, maybe it means this for data only, don't know |
| 22:59.00 | uso | it's document_root or so for apache |
| 23:00.08 | trepan | cosmos: 5 mins on hepcat necessitated 2 bans, you get all the winners ;) |
| 23:00.38 | uso | the chroot |
| 23:01.08 | uso | trepan: this is the price for beeing on top |
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| 23:09.58 | cosmos | trepan? |
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| 23:37.23 | spldart | what should be my hostname to bind to |
| 23:37.25 | spldart | ? |
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