| 00:01.55 | techman | How do I set wing flaps? |
| 00:02.12 | brad2901 | /set _wingsJumpCount # |
| 00:03.55 | techman | Can be used in .conf file? |
| 00:04.23 | brad2901 | should be able to |
| 00:04.35 | brad2901 | -set _wingsJumpCount # I think |
| 00:08.00 | techman | yep |
| 00:08.13 | techman | I had to use -set |
| 00:09.18 | spldart | whew |
| 00:09.43 | spldart | Ok... I have successfully created and applied my first phydrv... |
| 00:10.09 | spldart | I assume the numbers determine how fast the physics move? |
| 00:10.25 | spldart | I'm using phydrv 50 0 0 and I'm being scooted faster than I want |
| 00:15.26 | *** part/#bzflag ruffle (~rhino@21.246.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 00:17.49 | spldart | that nazi was back :(... Justa moment |
| 00:19.17 | spldart | he got back on my server even after a /reload |
| 00:19.19 | spldart | :( |
| 00:19.40 | spldart | 12.158.242.12 again |
| 00:19.42 | brad2901 | did you try '/masterban reload'? |
| 00:20.14 | spldart | lemme try that :( |
| 00:20.31 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:20.35 | cosmos | that works. |
| 00:20.36 | *** part/#bzflag ruffle (~rhino@21.246.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 00:20.37 | *** join/#bzflag ruffle (~rhino@21.246.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 00:20.40 | brad2901 | heh |
| 00:21.03 | spldart | Ok... that seemed to work and when I did banlist I did see his 12.158 go by |
| 00:21.25 | spldart | What is it with 12.x.x.x ??? |
| 00:21.50 | cosmos | dont forget 24.*.*.* |
| 00:21.59 | spldart | This time the SOB did it while I had other players on.... He got kicked my my spam guard but the other players took off too |
| 00:22.04 | spldart | yeah |
| 00:23.30 | *** part/#bzflag ruffle (~rhino@21.246.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 00:25.00 | spldart | God I do love bzfs on linux ;-D |
| 00:25.02 | spldart | I hate not being able to catch these fuggers after the fact :( |
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| 00:31.48 | spldart | GRR!!! |
| 00:32.17 | spldart | I added physics...I get no errors when I start bzfs.... But I'm getting lockups when I start the client and start playing :mad: |
| 00:32.48 | menotume | poor bamf. he has 2 IPs |
| 00:32.56 | menotume | one starts with12, the other 24 :) |
| 00:33.46 | spldart | heh |
| 00:34.09 | Sporty | anyone here got rights on cerebus? |
| 00:34.18 | Sporty | racist, spammer is making the rounds |
| 00:35.15 | creeperz | i hate that guy |
| 00:40.16 | Sporty | someone is impersonatiing birdie on cerebus - same guy |
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| 00:42.50 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.50 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.50 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.50 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.50 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.51 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.53 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.55 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.57 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.25 | Sporty | JeffM2501: will you add a masterban and see if we can catch him? |
| 00:44.18 | Sporty | 12.158.242.12 |
| 00:44.28 | AndyIII | lol |
| 00:47.05 | JeffM2501 | it's allrady done |
| 00:47.11 | JeffM2501 | was done by trepan a while ago |
| 00:47.28 | JeffM2501 | it's at the botom of the page |
| 00:48.21 | Thumper_ | it's not in my masterbanlist... reloaded the server 7mins ago |
| 00:48.46 | JeffM2501 | http://www.bzflag.org/master-bans.txt |
| 00:48.48 | JeffM2501 | last ban |
| 00:49.33 | Thumper_ | ah. doh. my fault. |
| 00:49.43 | JeffM2501 | he put it at the end not the start :) |
| 00:50.06 | Thumper_ | I only fetch your list when a private ban changes here |
| 00:50.58 | JeffM2501 | probalby should tie masterban into a list server query that just sends the IP and asks "is this one cool?" |
| 00:51.10 | JeffM2501 | when someone joins |
| 00:51.20 | JeffM2501 | send it along with the token request |
| 00:51.29 | cosmos | or tie it into a DDOS network and let the script kiddies hammer away on em |
| 00:51.43 | Thumper_ | and maybe change it to it kicks off connected players that match active bans on /masterban reload (and /reload) |
| 00:51.49 | Thumper_ | s/to/so/ |
| 00:52.28 | JeffM2501 | if it was done with the token, they'd never get on in the first place |
| 00:52.33 | Thumper_ | ok banned from my servers - thx |
| 00:52.35 | JeffM2501 | could also update IP checks on each heartbeat |
| 00:53.16 | Thumper_ | but if they're on one (of my) servers, I can them from there and they connect to another server before its db is reloaded |
| 00:53.24 | Thumper_ | they'll be on when the ban is entered |
| 00:53.32 | Thumper_ | and I don't think they get kicked for that. |
| 00:53.42 | JeffM2501 | that's why you refresh on each heartbeat |
| 00:53.59 | JeffM2501 | aka everytime somone joins and parts, and every 30 min |
| 00:54.11 | JeffM2501 | and just ask the list server if the current IPs are ok |
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| 00:54.24 | JeffM2501 | then the server dosn't even HAVE the banlist :) |
| 00:54.27 | Thumper_ | can you do that automagically (without a bzadmin connection to do a reload?) |
| 00:54.48 | Thumper_ | true... |
| 00:55.08 | Thumper_ | I tried making my own masterban list out of yours+mine |
| 00:55.12 | Thumper_ | but it doesn't work for hostbans |
| 00:55.31 | JeffM2501 | if you tied it to the tokens, then it would auto update every time it talked to the list server |
| 00:55.32 | Thumper_ | so went back to your masterban, and my private ban db (shared for my servers) and a bot that does a /reload and /masterban reload |
| 00:55.41 | Thumper_ | when the local ban list is updated from any single server |
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| 00:56.27 | kroboto | simple question ral quick. Where would I find a list of dependencies for building bzflag on a linux box? |
| 00:56.35 | Thumper_ | also: there is a bug on my (old) servers - when you /ban the masterban list gets lost |
| 00:56.35 | kroboto | ^real |
| 00:56.36 | bz6945 | True Christians stand up and denounce the filthy subhuman arab and jew mongrels infiltrating our society |
| 00:56.47 | bz6945 | the time is now to prepare for the end times |
| 00:56.56 | creeperz | wtf? |
| 00:56.56 | bz6945 | and remove the hordes of satan from our midst |
| 00:57.01 | creeperz | this dude was just on that server |
| 00:57.19 | kroboto | nI think he/she/it is on something else too. |
| 00:57.28 | creeperz | yeah |
| 00:57.45 | creeperz | whoever owns the stats site should find the last person to visit that page |
| 00:57.50 | creeperz | and add them to the masterban |
| 00:58.53 | creeperz | he keeps spamming his crap across bzflag |
| 00:59.10 | cosmos | http://tinyurl.com/3ssxs |
| 00:59.14 | cosmos | jeez |
| 00:59.52 | creeperz | finally |
| 00:59.54 | kroboto | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.58 | creeperz | International makes a comeback |
| 01:00.02 | spldart | LOL at the banlist and this IP and the fact the name was at the bottom of the list etc etc |
| 01:00.26 | creeperz | reminds me too much of my own truck |
| 01:00.31 | creeperz | just the stacks |
| 01:00.40 | creeperz | it needs a roll-bar like mine though |
| 01:02.01 | creeperz | and i think it has air-brakes |
| 01:02.08 | creeperz | probably need a CDL to drive it then |
| 01:03.37 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: is the new ban nuking masterbans thing fixed in CVS yet (or is that done on purpose?) |
| 01:19.03 | kroboto | What does this mean? configure: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully available (missing gl.h) |
| 01:19.03 | kroboto | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.25 | kroboto | what is missing? |
| 01:29.17 | cosmos | your missing a basic opengl header |
| 01:29.19 | cosmos | or it cant find it |
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| 01:39.20 | kroboto | ok. where can I shove the file or tell it where it is. I do have it. It's part of nvidias @$^#. Is there a configure option. I didn't see one listed with --help. |
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| 01:39.35 | cosmos | where is that file located |
| 01:39.48 | kroboto | /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/include/GL/gl.h |
| 01:40.05 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.31 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.06 | spldart | Hope you guys don't mind but Imma link to a post for help on BZBB. In case one of you is able to look and try to help now.... http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=34018#34018 |
| 01:45.45 | kroboto | okay, configure is obviously not very smart. It found glx.h but not gl.h. They are in the same dir. |
| 01:47.29 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, what? |
| 01:47.53 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: if I add a new ban with /ban blah the masterban list is gone |
| 01:48.02 | cosmos | thats happened to us too |
| 01:48.05 | JeffM2501 | was unaware of that |
| 01:48.09 | Thumper_ | then I need to do a /masterban reload after |
| 01:48.14 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 01:48.18 | JeffM2501 | somone must have busted something |
| 01:48.20 | Thumper_ | it's been like that for awhile |
| 01:48.33 | JeffM2501 | bug report? |
| 01:48.39 | Thumper_ | I didn't file anything |
| 01:49.07 | JeffM2501 | the only masterban problem I know of, was a bad banfile a while ago that was missing a space and caused the ban list to not load |
| 01:49.16 | JeffM2501 | adding a ban should not clear the master list |
| 01:49.20 | Thumper_ | yeah I got caught by that too ;) |
| 01:49.21 | JeffM2501 | unless somone forced a reload |
| 01:49.25 | JeffM2501 | on every add |
| 01:49.38 | JeffM2501 | IIRC somone may have done that so that it picks up new adds to the file too |
| 01:49.49 | JeffM2501 | they should not clear masters |
| 01:52.23 | cosmos | oh yeah jeff i forgot to add a post asking for help getting unbanned on Sprockets Goofy Monkey Server |
| 01:52.38 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 01:53.14 | cosmos | a joke about your post telling people to stop posting for ban help |
| 01:53.30 | JeffM2501 | banhammmmer...finger...twitching............................... |
| 01:54.21 | cosmos | i did get a great one berating and cussing me to unban them via email |
| 01:55.53 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 01:56.47 | cosmos | he got banned by one of my admins for player abuse. so he emails me cussing and berating me and also asking to be unbanned |
| 02:02.54 | JeffM2501 | did they say they would "forgive you" if you unbaned them by 5pm? |
| 02:03.29 | cosmos | hahah what |
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| 02:03.45 | Havoc_ | hi!!! |
| 02:03.51 | cosmos | no but that would have been a funny ending |
| 02:04.00 | JeffM2501 | ether coh or red did that |
| 02:04.04 | JeffM2501 | think it was coh |
| 02:04.12 | Havoc_ | whats up yall!?! |
| 02:04.19 | JeffM2501 | outerspace |
| 02:04.21 | cosmos | i saw redsox put a server up yesterday |
| 02:04.29 | cosmos | should redirect all the lamers there |
| 02:06.41 | Havoc_ | bye |
| 02:07.00 | learner | cya |
| 02:09.44 | JeffM2501 | some lamer spamer |
| 02:10.05 | JeffM2501 | they gots themselves baned good |
| 02:11.09 | learner | apparently |
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| 02:11.40 | learner | almost exciting enough to scan the log |
| 02:18.43 | JeffM2501 | almost |
| 02:18.45 | JeffM2501 | but not quite |
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| 02:27.19 | orange | JeffM2501: the server I was on when I watched this happen was cosmos' hepcat grassroots server |
| 02:27.39 | orange | I don't have the group files, but I'm sure cosmos could provide them... or I could run /groupperms |
| 02:27.40 | JeffM2501 | he had some accounts have there passwords leaked |
| 02:27.43 | JeffM2501 | that is known |
| 02:27.48 | orange | yes, but this was not an admin account |
| 02:27.50 | JeffM2501 | some people had very poor passwords |
| 02:27.57 | orange | this was a day or two ago |
| 02:28.01 | JeffM2501 | admin means all perms |
| 02:28.03 | orange | it was a normal user (no @) |
| 02:28.07 | orange | and no hidden @'s |
| 02:28.11 | JeffM2501 | he has a "cop" perm IIRC |
| 02:28.16 | JeffM2501 | that dosnt' show as admin |
| 02:28.22 | JeffM2501 | that perm may have set ability |
| 02:28.25 | orange | it does, because they can shortban |
| 02:28.35 | JeffM2501 | or somone found a buffer over run |
| 02:28.38 | JeffM2501 | no way to know |
| 02:28.39 | orange | and in any event, this user was not in the global groups... we should go check logs |
| 02:28.50 | JeffM2501 | then how did they play? |
| 02:28.52 | orange | was not in one of the 'extra perms' global groups |
| 02:28.57 | JeffM2501 | did they not spawn? |
| 02:29.08 | orange | spawn does not require reg... just talking right now |
| 02:29.11 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 02:29.21 | JeffM2501 | then dono |
| 02:29.30 | JeffM2501 | if it was a buffer overun the no log will show it |
| 02:29.42 | orange | yeah, it has happened two or three times... I only witnessed one |
| 02:29.55 | orange | cosmos cranked it up to -d -d -d -d I think |
| 02:29.57 | JeffM2501 | what seting did they change? |
| 02:30.02 | orange | but I still don't know if it would show anything |
| 02:30.10 | orange | gravity, shockwave size |
| 02:31.59 | orange | let's see if we can get cosmos to pull the logs on that incident, plus show the groupperms |
| 02:32.32 | JeffM2501 | go login and not auth |
| 02:32.37 | JeffM2501 | see if you can set stuff :) |
| 02:32.44 | orange | ok |
| 02:35.15 | orange | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:38.45 | JeffM2501 | it wouldn't log it |
| 02:38.51 | JeffM2501 | I'm adding some level 4 log stuff now |
| 02:41.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: log out set commands and failed set commands to level 4 |
| 02:41.51 | cosmos | nothing in the logs except his 24.x ip and the commands themselves but i was only at -d when it happened |
| 02:42.01 | JeffM2501 | that will tell you if the server actualy DOES a /set |
| 02:42.06 | orange | cosmos... the one I saw was a 12.something |
| 02:42.19 | cosmos | how many times did it happen |
| 02:42.19 | JeffM2501 | the other thing they could be doing is faking the packet to all the other players |
| 02:42.23 | cosmos | i saw once |
| 02:42.35 | orange | once I saw, once RC saw |
| 02:42.39 | cosmos | i dont have the disk for -d -d -d -d |
| 02:42.54 | JeffM2501 | you want it at 3? |
| 02:42.58 | JeffM2501 | or 2? |
| 02:43.08 | cosmos | 3 |
| 02:43.13 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 02:43.46 | orange | some speculate that the hackers are spoofing bzmessages (whatever :-) as admins who are logged on at the time |
| 02:43.52 | orange | but that's obviously a guess |
| 02:44.00 | JeffM2501 | posible |
| 02:44.02 | cosmos | well their ips are happily redirected to script kiddies looking for targets |
| 02:44.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: change set logs to level 3, since 4 is to much for some |
| 02:44.08 | cosmos | so keep on spoofing |
| 02:44.09 | JeffM2501 | but then it would have said that the admin name did the set |
| 02:44.11 | JeffM2501 | not that user |
| 02:44.20 | orange | right |
| 02:44.38 | orange | cosmos, can you find the user associated with the ban I did a couple days ago? |
| 02:44.44 | orange | or can I view logs somewhere and search? |
| 02:44.59 | cosmos | i reworked the logs so the core group can ftp them regularly |
| 02:45.05 | cosmos | but i still have to set that up for rotation |
| 02:45.14 | orange | I first banned 12.*.*.* just to get it shut down fast, then went back and made it less restrictive a few minutes later |
| 02:45.31 | orange | but I cannot remember the callsign... getting old |
| 02:45.57 | cosmos | nor do i |
| 02:46.02 | cosmos | i need to get the whitelist going |
| 02:48.39 | JeffM2501 | good lord is bzbb compelx |
| 02:48.54 | JeffM2501 | bzdb I meam |
| 02:54.37 | spldart | I'm afraid I didn't get the username but I was chasing down and trying to kill, to no aveil, a narrow tank running double speed on the hepcat server... |
| 02:55.11 | cosmos | perhaps a thief flag? |
| 02:55.25 | spldart | You can carry to superflag powers using thief? |
| 02:55.30 | spldart | oh wait |
| 02:55.37 | spldart | theif is double speed isn't it? |
| 02:55.47 | cosmos | yep |
| 02:55.52 | cosmos | with an annoying sound ! |
| 02:55.56 | spldart | Anywho... He just self destructed as I was getting close |
| 02:55.58 | spldart | wait.. |
| 02:56.01 | spldart | He was shooting |
| 02:56.04 | spldart | not theifing |
| 02:56.29 | spldart | No annoying sounds |
| 02:56.46 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, how does bzdb send updates from server to client? what message? |
| 02:57.20 | spldart | anywho... Spiral has taken a back seat to hepcat in exciting gameplay now for me :) |
| 02:59.34 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: lemme check |
| 02:59.38 | JeffM2501 | found it |
| 02:59.42 | JeffM2501 | msgsetvar |
| 02:59.54 | purple_cow | yep |
| 02:59.56 | JeffM2501 | only time server makes them is on a global change |
| 03:00.08 | JeffM2501 | what does bzfs do when it gets a message type it dosn't know about? |
| 03:01.04 | JeffM2501 | hmm just logs it |
| 03:01.06 | JeffM2501 | that's good |
| 03:01.22 | JeffM2501 | well then only way to get a /set to go is thru the set code |
| 03:01.41 | JeffM2501 | server won't relay a setvar packet to users |
| 03:01.55 | JeffM2501 | bad client can't send setvar packets to users directly |
| 03:02.20 | JeffM2501 | cosmos, if you get lates CVS when it updates it will log all /set commands, if they fail or work |
| 03:02.27 | JeffM2501 | and show what perm they had that let them set it. |
| 03:03.24 | orange | thanks JeffM2501 |
| 03:03.34 | JeffM2501 | he'll have to build the changes in |
| 03:08.36 | cosmos | ill update cvs tonight |
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| 03:23.06 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 03:23.53 | jpa- | morning |
| 03:25.25 | creeperz | jpa-: im sorry, you fail |
| 03:25.38 | jpa- | :( |
| 03:25.44 | creeperz | lol |
| 03:38.49 | Thumper_ | morning jpa |
| 03:39.05 | Thumper_ | ~UGM |
| 03:39.17 | Thumper_ | or however you do that ;) |
| 03:39.21 | Thumper_ | ~dict ugm |
| 03:39.30 | Thumper_ | ~dict ugt |
| 03:39.35 | Thumper_ | ~ugt |
| 03:39.36 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 03:39.44 | Thumper_ | it's late. can't spel |
| 03:39.49 | jpa- | true |
| 03:39.53 | jpa- | you should be sleeping |
| 03:40.01 | Thumper_ | I'mabout to leave |
| 03:45.13 | jpa- | oh please don't, i'll miss you so much! |
| 03:47.39 | Thumper_ | :-P |
| 03:47.41 | Thumper_ | yeah right. |
| 03:48.13 | Thumper_ | Evil Thumper is about to lock his cat out for the night... she's MIA |
| 03:48.38 | jpa- | evil! |
| 03:48.55 | jpa- | cats should be let to sleep inside |
| 03:49.06 | Thumper_ | and on top of that I'm keeping the other cat in (who desperately wants to go out...) |
| 03:49.32 | jpa- | poor cats :/ |
| 03:49.33 | Thumper_ | first warm night of the year and they want to go out and hunt |
| 03:49.39 | Thumper_ | assuming the coyotes don't eat them |
| 03:49.53 | jpa- | fortunately i have ~15000km to thumper |
| 03:51.27 | jpa- | i can sense the evil coming closer... |
| 03:51.32 | Thumper_ | hehe |
| 03:51.36 | jpa- | Thumper_, did you lean to east just now? |
| 03:51.39 | Thumper_ | I'll give her another 9 minutes... |
| 03:51.50 | Thumper_ | I walked around my house. |
| 03:51.55 | Thumper_ | maybe that was it |
| 03:52.01 | jpa- | maybe |
| 03:52.02 | Thumper_ | cat located and is in. |
| 03:52.09 | Thumper_ | house lockdown beginning... |
| 03:52.53 | Thumper_ | cats in, doors and windows locked, alarm set, lights off, ... good night |
| 03:53.10 | jpa- | hmm... did you forget bambi maybe? |
| 03:53.12 | spldart | NIGHT |
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| 03:53.22 | Thumper_ | nope (she helped) |
| 03:53.24 | Thumper_ | cya |
| 03:53.27 | jpa- | bye |
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| 04:02.30 | AndyIII | any strategy advice? |
| 04:06.59 | blast007 | AndyIII: http://shellshock.bzflag.bz/ has some strategy guides :) |
| 04:07.08 | AndyIII | ahh |
| 04:07.09 | AndyIII | thx |
| 04:07.36 | blast007 | np |
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| 05:11.15 | wegstar | night all |
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| 05:19.32 | Tegan | hi |
| 05:19.46 | ToughShooter | Hi ;-) |
| 05:20.23 | Aribeth_away | hi TS |
| 05:20.50 | Aribeth_away | ;) |
| 05:21.12 | ToughShooter | ~ask |
| 05:21.13 | ibot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 06:29.59 | Mayhem | Chikorita? |
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| 06:30.37 | Mayhem | wb |
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| 06:33.07 | Chikorita | hi mayhem! |
| 06:33.54 | Mayhem | hey Chiko :) |
| 06:34.09 | Mayhem | you having net problem? |
| 06:34.26 | Chikorita | alil |
| 06:34.45 | Chikorita | sum1 iz constantly tryin 2 hack mee |
| 06:34.47 | Chikorita | =/ |
| 06:34.54 | Chikorita | thru my firewall |
| 06:34.57 | Mayhem | damn, that sucks |
| 06:35.00 | Chikorita | ya |
| 06:35.21 | Chikorita | anywayz , how r u? |
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| 06:35.26 | Mayhem | but your firewall should be stopping them... |
| 06:35.29 | ruskie | lo all |
| 06:35.33 | Chikorita | hallo |
| 06:35.35 | HansZ | Lo |
| 06:35.37 | Mayhem | I'm good. |
| 06:35.52 | Chikorita | it should ..unless da hacker iz goin thru 1 of ur open ports |
| 06:36.01 | Chikorita | e.g. my bzflag port |
| 06:36.12 | Mayhem | you are running a bz server? |
| 06:36.23 | Chikorita | no |
| 06:36.47 | Chikorita | i think itz a server host dats doing it |
| 06:37.00 | Chikorita | im lookin into it ... |
| 06:37.02 | Mayhem | if you are playing bz, it should only let packets from the server you are on back in |
| 06:37.20 | Chikorita | ya |
| 06:37.52 | Chikorita | if dey kno ur IP# an which port ur usin dey can hack u i think |
| 06:38.03 | Mayhem | I got kicked from ducati yesterday... for excess lag :( |
| 06:38.11 | Chikorita | awn |
| 06:38.35 | Mayhem | they need to have a way of hacking you if the can get in too... |
| 06:38.39 | Chikorita | greg iz down under too |
| 06:38.45 | Mayhem | is he? |
| 06:38.47 | Chikorita | ya |
| 06:38.51 | Mayhem | since when? |
| 06:39.12 | Mayhem | I know he was here a few years ago |
| 06:39.21 | Chikorita | he went back home 2 france 4 alil bit , buh then back to australia again |
| 06:39.22 | Mayhem | he must be trying his luck again :) |
| 06:39.29 | Chikorita | ya |
| 06:39.32 | Chikorita | =) |
| 06:39.40 | Mayhem | I'll need to contact him |
| 06:39.54 | Chikorita | iz he lookin 4 a job ther? |
| 06:40.02 | Chikorita | ~seen greg1 |
| 06:40.07 | ibot | greg1 <~greg@61.14.151.70> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 126d 3h 24m 58s ago, saying: 'mouarf :)'. |
| 06:40.12 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 06:40.17 | Mayhem | I think he would be, he didn't have much luck the first time |
| 06:40.22 | Chikorita | o |
| 06:40.38 | Chikorita | i saw him on ducati a few weeks ago |
| 06:40.45 | Chikorita | r u in sydney mayhem? |
| 06:40.55 | Mayhem | no |
| 06:40.57 | Chikorita | o |
| 06:41.08 | Chikorita | i think greg iz in sydney |
| 06:41.18 | Mayhem | its still closer than france :) |
| 06:41.26 | Chikorita | heehe ya |
| 06:42.08 | Mayhem | I think there is at least one bz server down under, I need to get him on there :) |
| 06:42.24 | Chikorita | =) |
| 06:42.39 | Chikorita | how r u liking it down ther? |
| 06:42.54 | Chikorita | do u miss england? |
| 06:42.55 | Mayhem | its nice being back with my family, but I need to get a job |
| 06:43.07 | Chikorita | ah |
| 06:43.12 | Mayhem | I miss my friends over in the UK, and the better internet connectivity :) |
| 06:43.24 | Chikorita | heehe i c |
| 06:43.56 | Mayhem | Australia really *is* an island, particularly internet wise :( |
| 06:44.26 | Chikorita | awn |
| 06:44.42 | Mayhem | what about you, any big changes? |
| 06:44.52 | Chikorita | i have a friend from da UK |
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| 06:45.02 | Chikorita | she has a thick geordie accent |
| 06:45.30 | Chikorita | itz insane |
| 06:45.39 | Mayhem | heh. I used to have to speak to people from all over the UK and Ireland, you get so many strange accents |
| 06:45.41 | Chikorita | buh she iz really nice |
| 06:45.50 | Chikorita | ya |
| 06:46.23 | Mayhem | now I have to really concentrate hard to follow strong accents, I've lost my skill :) |
| 06:46.25 | Chikorita | im goin over 2 visit her 1 day |
| 06:46.43 | Chikorita | heehe mayhem |
| 06:46.46 | Mayhem | you should, its an interesting place |
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| 06:47.07 | Mayhem | down under is interesting too :) |
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| 06:47.17 | Chikorita | im sure =) |
| 06:47.22 | Mayhem | wb ruffle |
| 06:47.45 | ruffle | pushing my chatclient to the edge |
| 06:48.00 | Mayhem | over the edge, it seems ;) |
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| 06:48.07 | Chikorita | wb trepan |
| 06:48.07 | ruffle | using gaim, but dunno where to put in the commands |
| 06:48.12 | ruffle | and which are recognized |
| 06:48.43 | Mayhem | ah. gaim is good, but not so much at irc |
| 06:48.55 | mmu_man | ~tld .va |
| 06:49.02 | Mayhem | Chikorita, you hang out in here much? |
| 06:49.02 | ruffle | yah, but i don't wanna run 3 progs at the time |
| 06:49.05 | mmu_man | tss ignorant bot |
| 06:49.15 | Chikorita | Mayhem: no not really |
| 06:49.39 | Mayhem | I've just come back because I'm bzinspired to do some bzprogramming |
| 06:49.56 | Mayhem | yet to see if anything will actually result :) |
| 06:50.05 | Chikorita | kewl =) |
| 06:50.14 | Chikorita | u go boy =) |
| 06:50.23 | Mayhem | can't let learner keep getting all the glory ;) |
| 06:50.27 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 06:50.47 | Chikorita | BZ iz dun mostly in C+ , yes? |
| 06:50.49 | Mayhem | and putting all these weird flags and features :) raining frogs, I ask you... |
| 06:50.56 | Mayhem | yeah, c++ |
| 06:50.59 | Chikorita | ah |
| 06:51.06 | Mayhem | you know some? |
| 06:51.13 | Chikorita | umm |
| 06:51.16 | Chikorita | nope |
| 06:51.20 | Mayhem | I don't know a lot :) |
| 06:51.47 | Mayhem | I can read it pretty well, but writing takes me ages... |
| 06:51.48 | Chikorita | dats mor than mee ;) |
| 06:51.55 | Chikorita | o |
| 06:52.07 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 06:52.21 | Chikorita | wut aspect of BZ r u interested in? |
| 06:52.35 | Mayhem | I wonder if the have subliminal language learning tapes for programming languages... |
| 06:52.41 | Chikorita | lol |
| 06:52.57 | Chikorita | learn while u sleep |
| 06:52.57 | Mayhem | I'm interested in the networking side. Gotta make things better for people with high pings :) |
| 06:53.24 | Chikorita | dreaming of code...might give u nitemares tho |
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| 06:54.26 | Chikorita | esp. dat mean ole skeery remove/delete command monsta |
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| 06:55.49 | Mayhem | wb |
| 06:56.01 | Chikorita | ty |
| 06:56.19 | Mayhem | Dreaming about code is ok, its the trying to write it, and realising its 10 times as complicated as you dreamed :( |
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| 06:57.48 | Chikorita | =P |
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| 06:58.39 | Chikorita | mayb look at other peeples' coding |
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| 06:59.16 | Chikorita | 4 examples |
| 06:59.22 | Chikorita | i dunno |
| 06:59.30 | Mayhem | I do, its pretty scary reading the bzflag code |
| 06:59.40 | Chikorita | =S |
| 07:01.14 | Chikorita | bz peeps skeer mee |
| 07:01.19 | Chikorita | sum of dem |
| 07:01.54 | Chikorita | dats wut skeers mee ..r da hackers |
| 07:03.35 | Chikorita | itz weod ...wen i play usin my regular callsign , my client acts all funky |
| 07:03.37 | Mayhem | don't know why anyone would want to do nasty hacks to you |
| 07:03.55 | Chikorita | buh wen i switch 2 a anonymous callsign ..everyting iz ok |
| 07:04.03 | Mayhem | hmm |
| 07:04.14 | Chikorita | sum peeple r psycho , dats y |
| 07:05.12 | Chikorita | my client getz all laggy , losing packets ..ect. |
| 07:05.43 | Chikorita | buh my lag itz fine wen i use my anonymous callsign |
| 07:05.55 | Chikorita | =S |
| 07:06.15 | Chikorita | itz like ...sum1 iz trackin mee , by my callsign |
| 07:06.22 | Mayhem | odd |
| 07:06.32 | Chikorita | =( |
| 07:06.40 | Mayhem | maybe you're paranoid |
| 07:06.44 | Chikorita | lol |
| 07:06.51 | Mayhem | :) |
| 07:06.53 | Chikorita | dats wut i thought at 1st |
| 07:07.37 | Chikorita | buh ther have been alot of hacker attempts lately , esp. on da server i admin on |
| 07:08.21 | Chikorita | my firewall can c all da IPs of whoeva iz tryin 2 get thru |
| 07:08.41 | Chikorita | an therz dis 1 IP dat alwayz buggin my puter |
| 07:08.46 | Chikorita | =S |
| 07:08.56 | Mayhem | what is it? Maybe we can identify them. |
| 07:09.17 | Chikorita | wel i did a trace ...it goes back 2 california |
| 07:09.23 | Chikorita | sum1 in california ... |
| 07:09.27 | Chikorita | =S |
| 07:11.25 | Mayhem | aha, I've found greg's email address. I hope he still uses it. |
| 07:12.12 | Chikorita | i also found out 2nite 1 of da otha admins on da same server i admin on iz da same person who has been harrassin mee on bzflag 4 da past year an a half |
| 07:12.38 | Chikorita | tel greg i sed "hi" plz ;) |
| 07:12.39 | Mayhem | crikey |
| 07:12.42 | Mayhem | :) |
| 07:12.50 | Chikorita | ;P |
| 07:14.04 | Chikorita | i found out sussudio = silverfox |
| 07:14.21 | Chikorita | at least ther IP#s r similiar , if not da same |
| 07:14.24 | Pimpinella | noooooooo |
| 07:14.33 | Chikorita | do u rememba sum1 named sussudio? |
| 07:14.42 | Chikorita | hi pimpi |
| 07:14.57 | Pimpinella | sussudio is from netherlands, silver from us |
| 07:15.04 | Pimpinella | hi chiha |
| 07:15.16 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 07:15.27 | Chikorita | hehee |
| 07:15.40 | Chikorita | i dunno ..y r ther IPs da same? |
| 07:15.41 | Pimpinella | and they show up at different times of day |
| 07:15.48 | Chikorita | i'll hafta recheck it 2 b sure |
| 07:15.51 | Pimpinella | not sure |
| 07:16.18 | Pimpinella | but they are different ppl of course |
| 07:16.36 | Pimpinella | sussudio also plays as sheep |
| 07:17.03 | Chikorita | anywayz ..sum1 has been messin wif mee on dat server . doin thingz dat only anutha admin could do |
| 07:17.21 | Chikorita | mayb i am paranoid =( |
| 07:17.43 | Chikorita | dis sux |
| 07:18.07 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 07:18.09 | Pimpinella | later |
| 07:18.48 | Mayhem | dooon't worrrry, beeeee happy |
| 07:18.59 | Chikorita | i shoulda told every1 i was a d00d from da beginning an mayb peeple would leave mee alone |
| 07:20.01 | Mayhem | heh. maybe. lots of guys get weird online when 'girls' are around. |
| 07:20.17 | Chikorita | if peeple tho i was a guy dey wouldnt sexual harrass mee or hack my puter |
| 07:20.25 | Mayhem | yeah |
| 07:20.35 | Chikorita | >:/ |
| 07:20.58 | Mayhem | but others wouldn't suck up to you too, cause they wanna be you friend :) |
| 07:21.04 | Chikorita | lol |
| 07:21.09 | Chikorita | i got an idea |
| 07:21.17 | Chikorita | imma change my IP # |
| 07:21.26 | Mayhem | as far as I know, you could be a guy anyway |
| 07:21.26 | Chikorita | change my callsign |
| 07:21.39 | Chikorita | reformat my puter |
| 07:21.44 | Mayhem | install linux |
| 07:21.45 | Chikorita | an start over |
| 07:21.47 | Mayhem | :) |
| 07:21.49 | Chikorita | lol mayhem |
| 07:21.53 | Chikorita | ya mayb ;) |
| 07:22.00 | Chikorita | an add firefox too |
| 07:22.05 | trepan | you could be .. TheDudester |
| 07:22.11 | Chikorita | lol tre |
| 07:22.13 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 07:22.16 | Chikorita | yay |
| 07:22.24 | Mayhem | something really masculine, like... BigBarrel |
| 07:22.27 | Mayhem | oh wait, thats taken |
| 07:22.28 | Chikorita | u lurkers ;) |
| 07:22.29 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 07:22.35 | Chikorita | lol mayhem |
| 07:22.39 | DTRemenak | I was playing, I've got an excuse :) |
| 07:22.40 | Chikorita | dang |
| 07:22.48 | Chikorita | ah ;) |
| 07:22.53 | trepan | i'm hungover, that's mine |
| 07:23.00 | DTRemenak | bad excuse |
| 07:23.01 | Chikorita | lol |
| 07:23.02 | Chikorita | awn |
| 07:23.08 | Mayhem | hey, if a tank has a big barrel, does that mean the driver is compensating for something? |
| 07:23.14 | DTRemenak | you should be typing angrily, not lurking :P |
| 07:23.17 | Chikorita | =x |
| 07:23.48 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 07:23.49 | Mayhem | heh |
| 07:23.58 | trepan | DTRemenak: shuddap, you bastage! |
| 07:24.00 | d00dster | how do u check nick lameness again? |
| 07:24.05 | DTRemenak | trepan, now that's better! |
| 07:24.06 | d00dster | i 4gotz |
| 07:24.15 | DTRemenak | ~nickometer d00dster |
| 07:24.16 | d00dster | nickometer? |
| 07:24.21 | d00dster | k thnx |
| 07:24.24 | d00dster | i tho so |
| 07:24.56 | Mayhem | d00dster, that name matches the way you type ;P |
| 07:24.57 | d00dster | i should type differently too |
| 07:25.28 | d00dster | hmm |
| 07:25.31 | Mayhem | use korrekt spelln an' punchooation |
| 07:25.40 | d00dster | ya dat might give mee away |
| 07:25.59 | Mayhem | if you type mee with only one e, its quicker :) |
| 07:26.28 | Chaos | hehee , now wee have players named Carnage , Mayhem , and Chaos ;) |
| 07:26.34 | Chaos | lol |
| 07:26.40 | Neutral | heh |
| 07:27.00 | Order | Carnage, Mayhem, and Chaos. That would be nifty |
| 07:27.12 | SlightlyMessy | now I'm half way between ;) |
| 07:27.15 | Order | rather descriptive |
| 07:27.25 | Chaos | neutral iz a good name too ;) |
| 07:27.34 | Order | I think it's a bit neutral :) |
| 07:27.38 | Chaos | lol |
| 07:27.51 | SlightlyMessy | hmm, I need something five letters long |
| 07:28.02 | Chaos | how bout ...ChaoticOrder? |
| 07:28.05 | Chaos | ;P |
| 07:28.18 | Messy | Anarchy would be a neat name |
| 07:28.31 | Order | this nick is registered to someone else, I should probably give it back before they sign on and boot me |
| 07:28.46 | Chaos | heehe |
| 07:28.54 | Messy | yeah, Neutral is taken too |
| 07:28.56 | Chaos | ya dis 1 too |
| 07:28.59 | Erroneous | heh |
| 07:29.08 | Erroneous | wonder if they hang in the same channel :) |
| 07:30.22 | Irrational | this is fun :) |
| 07:30.47 | Chaos | heehe |
| 07:30.55 | Erroneous | haha |
| 07:30.57 | Chikorita | wut iz evry1 doin? |
| 07:30.57 | Chaos | hi mee |
| 07:31.01 | Chaos | lol |
| 07:31.07 | Chaos | ntm , chillin |
| 07:31.15 | Chikorita | hay Chaos |
| 07:31.21 | Chaos | hay |
| 07:31.35 | Chaos | chikorita? |
| 07:31.44 | Chikorita | iz it condescending if I talk liek this? |
| 07:31.54 | Chaos | naa |
| 07:31.58 | Chaos | itz kewl |
| 07:32.09 | Chikorita | kewl =) |
| 07:32.12 | Chaos | cuz ur kewl ;) |
| 07:32.14 | Chaos | heehe |
| 07:32.32 | Mayhem | g'day mates |
| 07:32.38 | Chikorita | lolz |
| 07:32.40 | Mayhem | heehe |
| 07:32.56 | Chikorita | owz it down under Mayhem? |
| 07:33.22 | Mayhem | you betcha ;) |
| 07:33.49 | Erroneous | I think the swap should be permanent :) |
| 07:34.07 | Chikorita | how dare ya, pervert! |
| 07:34.24 | Chikorita | Erroneous is groping me! Rape! |
| 07:34.42 | Chikorita | sry, getting a bit carried away here |
| 07:34.50 | Mayhem | lol |
| 07:34.51 | Mayhem | ;P |
| 07:34.53 | Erroneous | hahah, I'm not touching you, you're a guy :) |
| 07:34.57 | Mayhem | poor chika |
| 07:34.59 | Mayhem | =( |
| 07:35.15 | Mayhem | dat reminds mee |
| 07:35.17 | Chikorita | aww, lil ol me |
| 07:35.22 | Chikorita | *mee |
| 07:35.28 | Mayhem | these chiko rolls are yumm ;) |
| 07:35.40 | Chikorita | yo gotz sum chiko rollz? |
| 07:35.41 | Mayhem | you should try 1 |
| 07:35.48 | Mayhem | heehe |
| 07:35.49 | Chikorita | yeh, I like em |
| 07:36.13 | Chikorita | but there isn't any chicken in em |
| 07:36.18 | Mayhem | roo meeat ;P |
| 07:36.24 | Mayhem | ick |
| 07:36.25 | Chikorita | lamb :) |
| 07:36.29 | Mayhem | lol ah |
| 07:36.43 | Mayhem | i like lamb |
| 07:37.03 | Erroneous | mm, lamb |
| 07:37.03 | Chikorita | where did ya get chiko rollz from? |
| 07:37.11 | Mayhem | it's not bahhhhd |
| 07:37.16 | Mayhem | ;P |
| 07:37.19 | Mayhem | heehe |
| 07:37.42 | Mayhem | from the chiko roll stand , silly ;P |
| 07:37.50 | Chikorita | I wonder how much international frozen shipment costs :) |
| 07:38.07 | Mayhem | hmm |
| 07:38.28 | Chikorita | http://www.upfromaustralia.com/chikoroll.html <-- thats me on the motorbike |
| 07:38.44 | Mayhem | lol |
| 07:38.58 | Mayhem | wow |
| 07:39.07 | Mayhem | smexy ;) |
| 07:39.46 | Chikorita | o ya, i'm dead smexy |
| 07:39.46 | Mayhem | nice wrapper |
| 07:40.01 | Mayhem | o wait , your the one on the bike |
| 07:40.04 | Chikorita | heh |
| 07:40.08 | Mayhem | heehe |
| 07:40.29 | Mayhem | wow sessy ;) |
| 07:40.32 | Chikorita | ya no, if ya buy frozen chiko's at the supermarket, they come with tha special wrapper |
| 07:40.39 | Mayhem | o? |
| 07:40.47 | Mayhem | kewl |
| 07:40.57 | Chikorita | dunno why they bother |
| 07:41.25 | Mayhem | are u suppose to eat them with some sorta sauce or without? |
| 07:41.33 | Mayhem | they look like eggrolls |
| 07:41.44 | Chikorita | nah, just straight. They are a bit like spring rolls |
| 07:42.06 | Mayhem | ya |
| 07:42.06 | Mayhem | i know that |
| 07:42.06 | Mayhem | ;) |
| 07:42.06 | Mayhem | heehe |
| 07:42.11 | Mayhem | j/k |
| 07:42.17 | Chikorita | but they are really big, and very fried. one or two is a whole meal ;) |
| 07:42.26 | Mayhem | o |
| 07:42.37 | Chikorita | or so some Australian told me ;) |
| 07:42.44 | Mayhem | heeeh |
| 07:43.01 | Chikorita | you like Vegiemite Mayhem? |
| 07:43.13 | Mayhem | veggamite sammich? |
| 07:43.37 | Mayhem | umm ...ya sure =P |
| 07:43.55 | Mayhem | like in the men at work song |
| 07:44.00 | Mayhem | i luv that song =) |
| 07:44.18 | Chikorita | heh |
| 07:45.00 | Mayhem | "i said do you speaka my language? he jus smiled an gave mee a veggamite sammich..." |
| 07:47.42 | Mayhem | veggamite is made outta beer , yes? |
| 07:48.00 | Chikorita | sorta, its like the leftover fermented extract |
| 07:48.15 | Chikorita | lotsa vitamin B |
| 07:48.19 | Mayhem | ew |
| 07:48.20 | Chikorita | but not Vitamin BZ :) |
| 07:48.26 | Mayhem | sounds ...healthy ;P |
| 07:48.30 | Mayhem | heehe |
| 07:48.44 | Chikorita | its pretty strong and salty, but I love it |
| 07:48.58 | Mayhem | i c |
| 07:49.17 | Chikorita | you can probably get it in health food shops in most parts of the world |
| 07:49.21 | Erroneous | mmm, vegemite |
| 07:49.27 | Mayhem | i'll hafta try 1 wen im down there ;) |
| 07:49.34 | Chikorita | we just put it on toast and sandwiches :) |
| 07:49.38 | Erroneous | you should |
| 07:50.14 | Mayhem | its up there on my list of stuff to try . its up there jus like haggis is ;) |
| 07:50.20 | Erroneous | haha |
| 07:50.23 | Mayhem | heeeh |
| 07:50.27 | Chikorita | itz kewl fun making people try it, they screw upz their faces when they get a taste |
| 07:50.44 | Mayhem | lol |
| 07:50.46 | Erroneous | heh, not supposed to try it straight :P |
| 07:51.02 | Chikorita | yup, its way too strong on its own |
| 07:51.11 | Erroneous | rather unforgettable if you do though :) |
| 07:51.28 | Chikorita | yep, its a sure way to lose friends ;) |
| 07:51.32 | Mayhem | lol |
| 07:51.35 | Erroneous | haha |
| 07:52.00 | Mayhem | reminds mee of the time ... |
| 07:52.06 | Mayhem | i first tried sushi .. |
| 07:52.18 | Erroneous | speaking of good stuff |
| 07:52.20 | Mayhem | an i didnt know what dat green stuff was |
| 07:52.24 | Erroneous | haha |
| 07:52.30 | Mayhem | wasabi .... =P |
| 07:52.41 | Mayhem | i was like ... O.O |
| 07:52.49 | Mayhem | heehe |
| 07:52.54 | Erroneous | heh, convinced one guy it was relish and he just piled it on :) |
| 07:53.05 | Mayhem | lol |
| 07:53.06 | Erroneous | gullibility indeed |
| 07:53.08 | Mayhem | ouch |
| 07:53.24 | Mayhem | i do luv sushi tho . itz yumm |
| 07:53.29 | Mayhem | =) |
| 07:54.21 | Mayhem | omg |
| 07:54.25 | Mayhem | 4am here |
| 07:54.48 | Mayhem | i betta go 2 sleep , b4 i wake up an itz nite time again ...tommorrow |
| 07:54.52 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 07:54.56 | Mayhem | ;P |
| 07:55.02 | Erroneous | 'night, uh, Mayhem :) |
| 07:55.02 | Chikorita | nonono, Mayhem, its only 6pm :) |
| 07:55.03 | Mayhem | gnite all |
| 07:55.09 | Chikorita | nite |
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| 07:55.47 | Chikorita | "i betta go 2 sleep , b4 i wake up an itz nite time again" <-- I just can't write like that |
| 07:56.09 | Chikorita | its like a special skill normal people lack :) |
| 07:58.17 | Erroneous | u only lak it til u practis lotz |
| 07:58.31 | Erroneous | itz tough |
| 07:58.59 | Mayhem | yes, it like mental torture... |
| 07:59.06 | Mayhem | *it is |
| 07:59.33 | Erroneous | itz :) |
| 07:59.49 | Erroneous | thatz da 1st 1 2 git down |
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| 08:01.35 | Mayhem | Erroneous, it reminds me of this webpage a friend made. http://www.blamlan.com/devo/dumbsluts.html |
| 08:02.20 | Erroneous | haha |
| 08:02.36 | Erroneous | not quite chikospeak though |
| 08:04.09 | Mayhem | not quite. she has her own, unique dialect ;) |
| 08:05.15 | Erroneous | indeedz |
| 08:05.47 | Mayhem | yupz |
| 08:08.30 | Mayhem | damit, I keep typin wit bad spellin now |
| 08:09.51 | Erroneous | itz not bad just difrent |
| 08:10.37 | Erroneous | y da h8? |
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| 08:10.57 | Erroneous | moin tupone |
| 08:12.20 | tupone | morning :) |
| 08:12.38 | Erroneous | sadly, it IS morning even here :) |
| 08:13.39 | tupone | eek, your wake up is early |
| 08:22.00 | Erroneous | it's 1:16 am here. and I'll need to get up in about 6 hours. so...g'night :) |
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| 10:29.42 | jpa- | mrning |
| 10:31.43 | Teppic | Quiet? |
| 10:31.55 | jpa- | yes |
| 10:32.48 | ruskie | yup |
| 10:33.04 | jpa- | hi ruskie |
| 10:33.08 | ruskie | lo |
| 10:33.19 | jpa- | hmm.. i need to change backcolor of putty.. |
| 10:33.32 | jpa- | people wonder why there is a black box in the corner of my screen |
| 10:34.30 | ruskie | lol |
| 10:34.40 | ruskie | use ActualWindowManager :) |
| 10:34.50 | jpa- | uh.. this is xp :/ |
| 10:34.52 | ruskie | it can minimaze to try any app :) |
| 10:35.00 | ruskie | it is a win32 app |
| 10:35.05 | jpa- | hum |
| 10:36.12 | Teppic | Putty the ssh client is, yes. |
| 10:36.33 | ruskie | yup and ActualWindowManager is as well :) |
| 10:36.51 | ruskie | sits on top and allows other functions of the more advanced wms :) |
| 10:38.14 | ruskie | I use it to hide putty@work |
| 10:39.02 | jpa- | so what does it exactly do? |
| 10:39.49 | ruskie | adds the little things that one is used to on linux... like minimize any app to tray, roll up down buttons and tons of other buttons as well all fully configurable |
| 10:40.11 | jpa- | ah, i don't need them |
| 10:40.25 | jpa- | i only have to get a nice white-background theme for putty |
| 10:40.45 | ruskie | lol |
| 10:41.02 | ruskie | hmmm iirc it can also handle trasnperency not sure though... |
| 10:41.08 | jpa- | or maybe for putty... |
| 10:41.10 | jpa- | argh |
| 10:41.15 | jpa- | i type putty all the time |
| 10:41.17 | jpa- | i mean irssi |
| 10:41.34 | ruskie | :) |
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| 11:35.49 | ToughShooter | Hmm, does anyone see why my tank gets stuck on bzflag.sleepycows.us:5255 when jumping on the lowest platform at a certain edge? |
| 11:36.37 | ToughShooter | I see that when I change spin angle of the edge tank stops to get stuck |
| 11:38.50 | ToughShooter | All I changed regarding the climbing ways was to use groups instead of much boxes |
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| 12:10.15 | Bagheera | morning all |
| 12:18.03 | Thumper_ | morning |
| 12:19.53 | menotume | mornin' |
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| 13:07.27 | creeperz | mornin |
| 13:07.56 | Teppic | 'fternoon |
| 13:08.10 | creeperz | i dont knoq |
| 13:08.14 | creeperz | probably yo mama |
| 13:08.17 | creeperz | :-P |
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| 13:33.24 | jpa- | morning |
| 13:37.40 | Bagheera | ~weather knak |
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| 13:46.59 | ToughShooter | Upgrading from build of 16th to todays fixed it |
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| 13:59.56 | bz8427 | How do you talk in bzadmin |
| 13:59.57 | bz8427 | ? |
| 14:00.25 | bz8427 | stupid question yes but im just making sure |
| 14:00.46 | ToughShooter | Select channel via left or mouse arrows, then write and send with enter |
| 14:01.24 | ToughShooter | err, left or right of course |
| 14:02.28 | bz8427 | k\ |
| 14:03.30 | bz8427 | Im using windows if that changes anything |
| 14:04.35 | bz8427 | Im geussing what you told me is for linux? cause it aint working |
| 14:05.13 | jpa- | uh |
| 14:05.19 | jpa- | basicly, you type and press enter |
| 14:05.30 | jpa- | shouldn't be difficult at all |
| 14:06.40 | bz8427 | I did that and asked them if they could read it but no answer.... |
| 14:06.57 | bz8427 | I guess they just thought it was a stupid question :) |
| 14:07.19 | jpa- | uh, you saw what you typed anyway? |
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| 14:07.52 | bz8427 | yes |
| 14:08.16 | jpa- | it worked then |
| 14:08.32 | tupone | http://ww2.cs.fsu.edu/~banavar/accuracy.pdf |
| 14:10.10 | jpa- | *gasp* |
| 14:10.13 | jpa- | ..pdf :/ |
| 14:12.29 | Chestal | tupone: oh? Do we know any of the authors? |
| 14:12.48 | tupone | I saw the reference at the end. |
| 14:13.32 | tupone | Probaly we have helped :/ |
| 14:15.07 | Chestal | someone should read it :-) |
| 14:15.25 | Chestal | clock synchronization means that they must use prediction |
| 14:17.29 | Chestal | hmm, at first glance this looks rather simplistic |
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| 14:17.57 | spldart | morning |
| 14:18.01 | Chestal | and doesn't sound to be feasible to really be used |
| 14:18.02 | jpa- | afternoon |
| 14:18.35 | tupone | I guess so, I'll read later, but I remember someone who is talking about DR, and had the same impression |
| 14:18.51 | spldart | heh |
| 14:19.41 | Chestal | basic idea is to measure latency and then just compensate for that. So of course, the position error is less than with no compensation, but path of tank is not reproduced |
| 14:21.05 | tupone | so basically he will predict the future ? |
| 14:21.31 | menotume | they give you credit, tupone |
| 14:21.46 | tupone | I want credit only for the good :) |
| 14:22.27 | menotume | Acknowledgments: We would like to thank the developers of BZFlag |
| 14:22.27 | menotume | and especially Tim Riker, Sean Morrison and Tupone Alfredo for |
| 14:22.27 | menotume | their help and insights.... |
| 14:23.12 | Chestal | tupone: well, I'd better read more than abstract and conclusions before I make more statements :-) |
| 14:23.33 | tupone | I saw :) well help is good, insight .... have to think about :) |
| 14:33.33 | Bagheera | There are a few instances |
| 14:33.33 | Bagheera | where global error is larger than the local error. |
| 14:34.18 | Chestal | Bagheera: with a simplistic compensation, you will get this on any sudden change in movement |
| 14:34.47 | Bagheera | yeah, that was there revelation during random motion |
| 14:35.44 | Bagheera | This happens when |
| 14:35.44 | Bagheera | a moving player becomes stationary (i.e., a tank stops). A new DR |
| 14:35.44 | Bagheera | vector indicating the stationarity is sent to all the receivers. Till |
| 14:35.44 | Bagheera | it reaches the receiver, the receiver computes the placed path using |
| 14:35.44 | Bagheera | the previous DR vector. |
| 14:35.50 | Chestal | armagetron uses a simple prediction scheme |
| 14:36.01 | Chestal | it sucked to have it activated and sucked to have it deactivated :-) |
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| 15:00.57 | SportChick | learner, you got admin rights on bzbb? |
| 15:01.20 | Erroneous | SportChick, need something? |
| 15:01.43 | SportChick | DTRemenak: there's a post in general discussion that should probably be in Servers: General |
| 15:01.51 | SportChick | actually a couple, but one in particular |
| 15:02.17 | DTRemenak | ah, the php listing thing |
| 15:02.20 | SportChick | yup |
| 15:02.25 | DTRemenak | that I can't read, either |
| 15:02.34 | SportChick | (the one in german) |
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| 15:02.47 | SportChick | he says "Help me please!" |
| 15:03.15 | DTRemenak | yeah, I got the "habe ein problem" part :) |
| 15:03.45 | SportChick | "Helf mir bitte" is "help me please" |
| 15:04.33 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 15:05.42 | SportChick | google translation does a rotten job: hello of people I knew net where I the contribution clean-makes should alsa @mods please verschiben whom valsch of ok has a problem: http://links.hsartconcept.de/bzfalg/links_server_online.php small server has an on-line one would list from my clan and I became gladly ncoh in the back transcheiben read like vil more player on-line is on the servers goes that at all? So that is t |
| 15:05.42 | SportChick | he code of the file still which that is PHP and HTML Smile |
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| 15:06.45 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 15:11.14 | Pimpi | SportChick: url? |
| 15:11.51 | DTRemenak | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3567 |
| 15:12.09 | DTRemenak | it's in Servers: General now |
| 15:13.00 | Aribeth | hi DTR, SportChick |
| 15:13.05 | DTRemenak | hi Aribeth |
| 15:13.37 | Aribeth | DTR, i get an error when building the latest anon cvs |
| 15:14.07 | DTRemenak | shadowing warnings, or something more interesting? |
| 15:14.47 | Pimpi | these shadowing warnings are annoying |
| 15:15.07 | Aribeth | bzfio.cxx error: invalid conversion from 'long int*' to 'const time_t*' |
| 15:15.18 | JeffM2501 | whoot.... not me :) |
| 15:15.32 | Aribeth | on FreeBSD 5.x |
| 15:15.38 | DTRemenak | oh, fun. I gotta run to chem lab now, be back in a couple hours if someone hasn't fixed it first |
| 15:15.55 | Aribeth | lol |
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| 15:16.22 | SportChick | Pimpi: http://translate.google.com/translate_t |
| 15:16.28 | SportChick | Aribeth: hiya |
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| 15:23.48 | Pimpi | Aribeth: line number in bzfio.cxx? |
| 15:24.02 | Aribeth | line 50 |
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| 15:28.11 | Aribeth | hi SGK284 |
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| 15:29.01 | jpa- | hi sgk284_ <33<<3<33 |
| 15:29.16 | sgk284_ | hey jpa- <3 |
| 15:29.22 | jpa- | only one <3? |
| 15:29.33 | sgk284_ | lol <3<3<3<3<3<3<3 |
| 15:29.43 | jpa- | <3 |
| 15:30.09 | JeffM2501 | then why have one? |
| 15:30.58 | ToughShooter | I have because I accidently sometimes hit the cable by accident |
| 15:31.19 | JeffM2501 | duct tape |
| 15:31.40 | Aribeth | epoxy |
| 15:31.40 | ToughShooter | ~x en de duct tape |
| 15:31.57 | JeffM2501 | that is a long word for ducttape |
| 15:32.19 | orange | literally translated it means "that which holds together the universe" |
| 15:32.30 | ToughShooter | I don't think it's translated the right way.. |
| 15:32.32 | JeffM2501 | "and my pants" |
| 15:32.32 | Pimpi | and even better: it doesn't make sense ;) |
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| 15:32.53 | JeffM2501 | how can you not know duct tape |
| 15:32.57 | JeffM2501 | it's universal |
| 15:33.20 | jpa- | ducttape, the only way to keep jpa quiet |
| 15:33.32 | orange | if it doesn't move and it should, use WD40; if it moves and it shouldn't, use duct tape -- the only two things you need in life |
| 15:35.10 | ToughShooter | Why doesn't "+f GM{-1}" remove one GM flag? |
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| 15:38.05 | jpa- | ToughShooter: uh, remove from what? :) |
| 15:38.32 | ToughShooter | It reminds me on excluding permissions from a permission database, excluding a spawn location for certain flags only or the mute effect that gets lost always after rejoining |
| 15:39.08 | ToughShooter | jpa-: Say you want to have 3 flags of each type in general but only 2 GMs |
| 15:39.14 | Pimpi | excluding permissions from a permission database? |
| 15:39.41 | jpa- | uh, just put in +f GM{2} and +f XX{3}? :) |
| 15:39.48 | ToughShooter | Pimpi: e.g. removing PollSet from Verified |
| 15:39.55 | JeffM2501 | for removal of flags don't you use -f ? |
| 15:40.27 | Pimpi | ToughShooter: VERIFIED: -POLLSET |
| 15:40.28 | Aribeth | Pimpi, looks like the error is is on FreeBSD only |
| 15:40.28 | ToughShooter | jpa-: Now guess what will happen when new flags will appear later |
| 15:40.38 | JeffM2501 | the number was just added so you didn't have to do +f GM +f GM +f GM |
| 15:41.06 | Pimpi | Aribeth: yeah, at least no error here |
| 15:41.08 | jpa- | ToughShooter: some nice ToughShooter will type them into his conf file? :) |
| 15:41.33 | ToughShooter | jpa-: I am lazy. Very lazy... |
| 15:41.48 | Pimpi | ToughShooter: -POLLSET will work only for cvs though |
| 15:41.59 | ToughShooter | Pimpi: I know that it is possible now, but doesn't work in 2.0.2 |
| 15:42.11 | ToughShooter | Already figured out by myself |
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| 15:42.51 | Pimpi | for 2.0.2 you can redefine VERFIED with all perms you want for it |
| 15:43.00 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: From html conf builder it seems as if -f GM will remove all GM flags |
| 15:43.36 | JeffM2501 | that was its intent |
| 15:43.44 | JeffM2501 | what exactly do you want to do? |
| 15:43.46 | JeffM2501 | do you want GMs? |
| 15:43.49 | JeffM2501 | or don't you? |
| 15:43.57 | ToughShooter | http://pastebin.com/273686 |
| 15:44.08 | blast007 | apparently wants to do +f good{3}, but only have 2 GMs |
| 15:44.15 | ToughShooter | 3 flags in general but having exceptions |
| 15:44.19 | JeffM2501 | you don't have that level of controll |
| 15:44.55 | JeffM2501 | the good adds any that are not in the -f lists |
| 15:44.57 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 15:45.04 | JeffM2501 | then the +f's add on top of that |
| 15:45.07 | JeffM2501 | it's rather simple |
| 15:45.28 | JeffM2501 | code it up |
| 15:45.33 | ToughShooter | Awww |
| 15:45.34 | Pimpi | patches welcome |
| 15:45.41 | blast007 | hehe, was waiting for that ;) |
| 15:45.45 | JeffM2501 | make it call an external script every time it needs a flag |
| 15:45.51 | JeffM2501 | theny ou can define any logic external |
| 15:45.53 | ToughShooter | Where's the Haskell, Python, Delphi or Prolog part of bzfs? |
| 15:46.00 | JeffM2501 | hook it up |
| 15:46.22 | JeffM2501 | make a paramater that takes the path to an app |
| 15:46.29 | JeffM2501 | call the app with a paramater block |
| 15:46.53 | JeffM2501 | then have that app return the flag to run |
| 15:47.00 | JeffM2501 | or make it a script |
| 15:47.01 | ToughShooter | I know how to do it...but it would be overdone I think |
| 15:47.10 | JeffM2501 | you could even embed some lua in it :) |
| 15:47.16 | JeffM2501 | then what you waiting for? |
| 15:47.20 | JeffM2501 | code that sucker up |
| 15:47.22 | ToughShooter | ~x de en mit Kanonen auf Spatzen schießen |
| 15:48.00 | ToughShooter | ibot can't translate idioms I guess ;-) |
| 15:48.27 | Pimpi | well, _you_ want the feature, no ;) |
| 15:48.43 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I am sure it would never get applied |
| 15:48.50 | JeffM2501 | if it was well done |
| 15:48.53 | JeffM2501 | it would |
| 15:48.59 | JeffM2501 | why do you think it woudln't? |
| 15:49.14 | ToughShooter | My C(++) isn't good enough for such things |
| 15:49.27 | JeffM2501 | improve by doing |
| 15:49.45 | ToughShooter | nah, first learning Java :-p |
| 15:49.50 | JeffM2501 | ewww |
| 15:50.21 | Pimpi | we lost him *sniff* |
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| 15:51.05 | jpa- | don't learn java, use jython! |
| 15:51.15 | JeffM2501 | anyone know of a UML modeling program |
| 15:51.26 | ToughShooter | Omni Graffle? |
| 15:51.30 | JeffM2501 | language is language |
| 15:51.56 | JeffM2501 | in the end they vary little, and it's the work of the programer that makes the difrence |
| 15:52.15 | jpa- | assembler is different :) |
| 15:52.23 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 15:52.24 | JeffM2501 | it's not |
| 15:52.26 | Pimpi | no |
| 15:52.27 | jpa- | and hmm.. logo too |
| 15:52.49 | JeffM2501 | it's just takes a lot more work to do stuff, but is one of the least limiting languages |
| 15:52.57 | jpa- | well they are more different from common ones than for example C is from visual basic |
| 15:52.57 | SportyGal | http://www.google.com/search?q=uml+modeling+software&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official |
| 15:53.02 | Aribeth | jpa- try programming in machine code |
| 15:53.12 | jpa- | Aribeth: i have :) |
| 15:53.20 | Aribeth | :) |
| 15:53.22 | JeffM2501 | SportyGal, what one have you used? |
| 15:53.26 | SportyGal | none |
| 15:53.27 | SportyGal | :) |
| 15:53.29 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 15:53.33 | jpa- | i made a nice program that makes "whiiiiuuuuuuuwhiiuuuuuuuuwhiuuuuuuu" sound for apple //c |
| 15:53.48 | jpa- | it was like 24 bytes.. bloat :/ |
| 15:54.16 | ToughShooter | Keyboards for smart programmers only include 1, 0 and enter |
| 15:54.23 | Aribeth | i used t program in machine code and then translate it to octal and then punch it in by hand |
| 15:54.26 | jpa- | enter? :o |
| 15:54.35 | jpa- | what is the enter for? |
| 15:54.43 | ToughShooter | starting the programm |
| 15:55.16 | jpa- | shouldn't it be called 'run' then? :) |
| 15:57.06 | jpa- | Aribeth: uh.. if you punch it anyway, why translate it first? :) |
| 15:57.43 | Aribeth | jpa, the computer's keypad was base 8 |
| 15:58.00 | jpa- | evil :) |
| 15:58.07 | JeffM2501 | not evil |
| 15:58.08 | JeffM2501 | just old |
| 15:58.08 | Aribeth | yep it was |
| 15:58.18 | JeffM2501 | many things existed before you did jpa- |
| 15:58.19 | Aribeth | 1982 |
| 15:58.23 | jpa- | while, binary to octal is so simple that is not problem at all |
| 15:58.40 | Aribeth | machine code to octal |
| 15:59.07 | jpa- | JeffM2501: ahh, the nice JeffM2501 is back from his vacation? |
| 15:59.38 | jpa- | hum, so, i'm not sure what machine code means.. |
| 15:59.54 | Aribeth | the CPU instruction set |
| 15:59.56 | JeffM2501 | how can you talk about asembley and not know machine codes? |
| 15:59.57 | jpa- | is it more close to hex/binary/whateven instructions or to assembly? |
| 16:00.41 | jpa- | JeffM2501: i ignore your question as i think you understand my point now :) |
| 16:01.09 | JeffM2501 | considering I've never quite understood you, I'll give that a resounding "whatever" |
| 16:02.15 | Aribeth | CPU instruction set = machine code |
| 16:02.50 | Aribeth | an assembler just makes it easy to code |
| 16:03.03 | spldart | mmMMmm z80 being programmed in hex <memories> |
| 16:03.05 | jpa- | yup.. so closer to hex? :) |
| 16:03.16 | spldart | or was that an 8080 |
| 16:03.23 | Aribeth | 8080 programmed in octal |
| 16:03.28 | spldart | k |
| 16:04.02 | Aribeth | the z80 was around then as well |
| 16:05.00 | jpa- | 65c02 programmed in hex |
| 16:05.13 | spldart | that could be the one |
| 16:05.55 | spldart | I remember plugging it into a breadboard with some memory and a red led panel and putting in some code and seeing what comes out ;) |
| 16:06.22 | Aribeth | i remember how the r&d hardware team killed a new computer that would have given the PC a run for its money |
| 16:07.11 | Aribeth | the Z80 had active low read and write lines |
| 16:07.27 | Aribeth | they forgot to add the pullup resistors |
| 16:07.43 | Aribeth | the computers got to the store and never worked |
| 16:10.40 | spldart | lol |
| 16:11.05 | Aribeth | they also had cheap crt's |
| 16:11.43 | Aribeth | they were competing against IBM and Apple |
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| 16:12.18 | spldart | I've accidentily forgotten a pullup or pulldown resistor during my experiments :( |
| 16:12.19 | spldart | hehe |
| 16:12.20 | Aribeth | the computer had color graphics and external floppy drives |
| 16:12.34 | spldart | what year was this? |
| 16:12.48 | Aribeth | it caused the CPU to tristate randomly |
| 16:12.53 | Aribeth | 1982 |
| 16:13.08 | Aribeth | late 82, early 83 |
| 16:13.18 | spldart | My Apple II years |
| 16:13.29 | spldart | early |
| 16:13.51 | spldart | I had a commodore vic20 not long after that :) |
| 16:13.52 | Aribeth | it could have blown them away |
| 16:14.07 | spldart | And a TRS-80 before that |
| 16:15.12 | Aribeth | they were ahead of their time with it |
| 16:15.16 | Aribeth | it also could use a hard drive, which the PC didnt have til late 83 i think |
| 16:15.59 | Aribeth | i had an Atari 800 in 1983 |
| 16:17.33 | spldart | Apple was my favorite back then. I had a good hex editor and a few copy proggies.. CopyII+ and Bit nibbler or something like that. |
| 16:17.42 | spldart | I would cheat on games so bad :) |
| 16:17.48 | spldart | Esp Ultima IV |
| 16:17.52 | menotume | TRS-80 !!!! |
| 16:18.03 | spldart | I had a TRS-80 model 1 and model 3 |
| 16:18.08 | menotume | yay for Z80 2Mhz |
| 16:18.11 | Aribeth | ahh, i still have Ultima IV |
| 16:18.16 | spldart | me too |
| 16:18.36 | spldart | I used to run all my characters up to max pations, hp, money etc etc |
| 16:18.43 | Aribeth | i liked Ultima V best. still have the original floppies |
| 16:18.45 | spldart | just a little time in hex editor |
| 16:19.10 | Aribeth | i finished it without any cheating |
| 16:19.31 | spldart | Cheating is such a dirty word... I prefer to think of it as 'Game Resources' |
| 16:19.34 | Aribeth | i still have a 486 DX2 for the old games |
| 16:19.41 | Aribeth | lol |
| 16:19.48 | spldart | ;) |
| 16:20.18 | menotume | 'Training enhancements' |
| 16:20.25 | Aribeth | yep |
| 16:21.04 | Aribeth | old vga graphics too |
| 16:24.36 | Aribeth | i used to run the cheat code in Ultima Serpant's Isle |
| 16:27.18 | spldart | I had over a hundred games for that old system but I can only remember my favorites.. a few of them |
| 16:27.35 | JeffM2501 | raid over bungling bay |
| 16:27.51 | spldart | load runner, zaxxon, rescue raiders, are a few |
| 16:28.01 | spldart | for applle II |
| 16:28.58 | Aribeth | i had martian dreams, bad blood, and savage empire from Origin |
| 16:29.44 | Aribeth | savage empire even had the 3 stoges in it |
| 16:37.36 | spldart | OOOO... I loved Conan for the apple too :-) |
| 16:38.09 | Aribeth | my friend had rouge |
| 16:38.32 | spldart | I think I paid for only 2 to maybe 5 of those 100+ games though :( |
| 16:38.35 | spldart | I'm bad |
| 16:38.59 | spldart | My friends and I would get together with boxes of floppies and a few machines and copy away |
| 16:39.08 | spldart | and if one had protection it would be hack time |
| 16:39.20 | spldart | Believe it or not some of those disks wouldn't copy readily |
| 16:39.23 | Aribeth | hehe, yep same here |
| 16:39.37 | Aribeth | been there done that |
| 16:39.41 | spldart | hehe |
| 16:39.44 | spldart | Ah the 80's |
| 16:39.53 | Aribeth | the good old days |
| 16:40.06 | Aribeth | are now gone forever :( |
| 16:40.13 | spldart | yeah |
| 16:40.18 | jpa- | i have one floppy (older than me :) that has a hole in it.. in the surface |
| 16:40.40 | jpa- | i don't think it is synchronisation but rather some copy protection |
| 16:40.42 | spldart | My favorite thing of the 80's are tight Gloria Vanderbilts on hot girls |
| 16:41.25 | spldart | he |
| 16:41.35 | spldart | lots of V8's on the road too :) |
| 16:43.23 | spldart | ooOOoo and the late 80's... The Thirsty Turtle and Aggie Bonfire :) |
| 16:43.54 | jpa- | and especially year 88.. that was a good year :) |
| 16:43.59 | Aribeth | 1973, my cousin had a 1966 Chevelle SS with a 600+ HP engine |
| 16:44.28 | spldart | My favorite ride was a 68 dodge dart 2 dr with massive tires and plenty of HP... |
| 16:44.33 | Aribeth | it was a full race 427 |
| 16:44.39 | spldart | But a drunk driver in a Ford F250 took that out one night :( |
| 16:45.03 | spldart | I still have a 73 Dodge and 74 Plymouth though |
| 16:45.27 | Aribeth | the Chevelle could beat anything then. 1/4 mile in 9.1 seconds |
| 16:45.34 | spldart | sweet |
| 16:46.01 | spldart | I had a friend with a 69 vette convertible with a shoehorned BB that ran about that. |
| 16:46.03 | spldart | Scary ride |
| 16:46.07 | Aribeth | it could do a weel stand through all 4 gears |
| 16:50.02 | Aribeth | how about a Vega station wagon with a 350 in it with a B&M strip transmission |
| 16:50.26 | spldart | hehe I prefer the a Nova though |
| 16:50.49 | Aribeth | my cousin had to hack the floorbords |
| 16:51.09 | spldart | why? |
| 16:51.21 | Aribeth | to get the turbo 400 trans in |
| 16:52.24 | spldart | ah.. the center hump |
| 16:52.52 | spldart | I've done that occasionally for trannies and floor shifters on a few cars |
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| 17:41.35 | JeffM2501 | pour some sugar on me. |
| 17:42.24 | JeffM2501 | do you take sugar? |
| 17:42.31 | JeffM2501 | one lump or two? |
| 17:42.37 | jpa- | sorry.. it looked the same |
| 17:42.56 | menotume | he's melting, he's melting ! |
| 17:43.26 | jpa- | hi menotume :) |
| 17:43.37 | menotume | hellos <3 |
| 17:43.40 | JeffM2501 | don't shoot shotgun |
| 17:43.44 | jpa- | this must be my lucky day :) |
| 17:43.58 | jpa- | menotume is here and JeffM2501 is gone |
| 17:46.46 | spldart | eek |
| 17:46.48 | JeffM2501 | Come with me in the twilight of a summer night for awhile |
| 17:46.59 | JeffM2501 | Tell me of a story never ever told in the past |
| 17:47.08 | JeffM2501 | Take me back to the land |
| 17:47.17 | JeffM2501 | Where my yearnings were born |
| 17:47.23 | JeffM2501 | The key to open the door is in your hand |
| 17:47.30 | JeffM2501 | Now fly me there |
| 17:47.54 | jpa- | ~dict yearning |
| 17:47.57 | JeffM2501 | the what? |
| 17:48.04 | JeffM2501 | Fanatics find their heaven in never ending storming wind |
| 17:48.04 | JeffM2501 | Auguries of destruction be a lullaby for rebirth |
| 17:48.08 | spldart | yearning = horny |
| 17:49.43 | Mr_Molez | anyone know if its possible to be able to see other players on a map as a small tank on the radar... i can see myself as a tank.. just wonder if its possible to see others |
| 17:50.55 | jpa- | nope, it is made so that you can't know which way they are heading |
| 17:51.40 | Mr_Molez | :( |
| 17:53.14 | JeffM2501 | no, there is no way to make it a just a 2d view |
| 17:53.23 | JeffM2501 | untill somone just writes one |
| 17:53.58 | jpa- | pybzflag2d \o/ |
| 17:54.15 | JeffM2501 | there is a subset of users who don't jump who want it |
| 17:54.30 | Birdie | from who is the server where the ducati league site is? |
| 17:54.35 | Birdie | ping to that guy:) |
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| 17:59.17 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, do I need to make him listen to the salor moon theme song in german? |
| 17:59.36 | DTRemenak | whaaaaat |
| 17:59.50 | JeffM2501 | to keep him in line :) |
| 18:00.29 | Birdie | let him listen to the "schnappi song" , he will go crazy |
| 18:00.42 | JeffM2501 | techno smurf can do that too |
| 18:01.47 | spldart | lol |
| 18:03.04 | spldart | Question... Would putting a beer can on each side of my bzw air hockey table be inappropriate? Kinda fits the hockey, foosball, pool beer hall theme I think |
| 18:03.09 | spldart | Plus it's silly funny |
| 18:03.40 | JeffM2501 | it's your server |
| 18:03.43 | DTRemenak | I would not have a problem with a beer can. might want to watch the fps though :) |
| 18:03.48 | jpa- | DTRemenak: please explain words 'sidelong' and 'glance' |
| 18:03.51 | spldart | ah |
| 18:03.56 | DTRemenak | ~dict sidelong |
| 18:04.18 | DTRemenak | jpa-, that work for ya? |
| 18:04.18 | jpa- | lol |
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| 18:04.48 | jpa- | it didn't explain much |
| 18:04.55 | jpa- | means that i didn't understandf |
| 18:05.02 | JeffM2501 | use the power of the internet |
| 18:05.13 | jpa- | but, who cares whether poor jpa- understands anyway.. |
| 18:05.19 | DTRemenak | jpa-, my comment was intentionally cryptic. the words make sense but the meaning should be clouded in mystery |
| 18:05.59 | jpa- | evil. |
| 18:06.14 | DTRemenak | totally |
| 18:06.27 | Birdie | hi sportchick |
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| 18:07.38 | spldart | I guess I'd have to keep the cans simple... And then I would have two more textures that wouldn't load for most clients |
| 18:07.44 | spldart | hrm |
| 18:08.09 | JeffM2501 | spldart, nid didn't mind a my.bzflag.org texture repository |
| 18:08.13 | JeffM2501 | so I can host what you need |
| 18:08.17 | JeffM2501 | so everyone can see them |
| 18:08.24 | spldart | really?! |
| 18:08.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:08.29 | spldart | Super sweet |
| 18:08.31 | jpa- | ...everyone with atleast 2.0.1 |
| 18:08.33 | JeffM2501 | just give them to me when your ready |
| 18:08.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:08.41 | JeffM2501 | its' better then no body |
| 18:08.42 | spldart | when i get done with this map... |
| 18:09.02 | spldart | I'll get you the textures :) |
| 18:09.23 | spldart | that will really open up the mesh/texture creativity |
| 18:10.04 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking it'll be like my.bzflag.org/resources/images/servername/yourimagefilehere.png |
| 18:10.37 | JeffM2501 | or maybe just authorname |
| 18:10.45 | JeffM2501 | since it's not tied to one server |
| 18:10.52 | spldart | I still got to figure out my physics lockup problem first though :( |
| 18:11.54 | JeffM2501 | so if anyone else needs public texture storage |
| 18:12.00 | JeffM2501 | let us know |
| 18:12.05 | spldart | looks like nobody is touching it with a ten meter cattle prod in bzbb though :( |
| 18:12.14 | JeffM2501 | just make sure you have rights to publish it |
| 18:12.20 | spldart | ooops |
| 18:12.28 | JeffM2501 | prety much trepan is going to be your guy |
| 18:12.33 | JeffM2501 | just ask him about it when you see him |
| 18:12.39 | spldart | since I'm non profit I thought it would be ok to use common beer labels |
| 18:12.48 | spldart | I guess that might not be the case |
| 18:13.05 | JeffM2501 | profit has nothing to do with copyright |
| 18:13.10 | spldart | oh |
| 18:13.12 | JeffM2501 | logos do not fall under fair use |
| 18:13.21 | JeffM2501 | so you could not put a budwiser label up there |
| 18:13.33 | spldart | copyright law isn't a strength of mine |
| 18:13.40 | spldart | ok |
| 18:13.42 | JeffM2501 | you can make a fakish one |
| 18:13.47 | JeffM2501 | like bluudwizer |
| 18:15.20 | spldart | that should test my lacking photoshop skillz :-| |
| 18:15.26 | spldart | hehe |
| 18:16.16 | JeffM2501 | check places like turbosquid, and 3dcafe |
| 18:16.28 | JeffM2501 | they may have models and stuff that have faked out enough labels |
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| 18:17.15 | spldart | favorited.... thanks |
| 18:17.59 | JeffM2501 | since I got perms to use em |
| 18:18.10 | JeffM2501 | as long as we don't claim to own em |
| 18:18.38 | jpa- | evil textures? |
| 18:18.44 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:20.03 | JeffM2501 | done by Yves Allaire |
| 18:20.23 | JeffM2501 | I haven't converted them to png yet |
| 18:20.29 | JeffM2501 | since my engine reads jpeg and TGA |
| 18:24.17 | JeffM2501 | http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/evil1walls.png |
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| 18:29.29 | Bagheera | JERICHO! |
| 18:29.52 | spldart | Is the limitations of map complexity and fps related to the engine used? Other than the obvious vid card problems for slower gpu's. |
| 18:30.31 | jpa- | atleast for radar, yes |
| 18:30.40 | jpa- | current radar implementation is _sloooow_ |
| 18:31.41 | spldart | I was just thinking about how a game like ut2k4 seems to have so much more detail and do the same if better fps on my machine than a map like LouMan's on bzflag :confused: |
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| 18:32.25 | spldart | I assume it's limitatations placed on BZ by founder + the fact it's developed by peeps working for free |
| 18:32.52 | JeffM2501 | detail = art |
| 18:33.01 | JeffM2501 | bzflag has no "oficial" artist for default content |
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| 18:33.11 | cosmos | ugg |
| 18:33.19 | JeffM2501 | fps is because it's a 14 year old codebase that hasn't realy been updated to modern standards |
| 18:33.26 | jpa- | mostly it is because of the old code.. |
| 18:33.30 | spldart | so the engine is old |
| 18:33.35 | JeffM2501 | there is no engine |
| 18:33.37 | spldart | oh |
| 18:33.42 | jpa- | it is just evil c++ :) |
| 18:33.43 | JeffM2501 | it was made before there were "engines" |
| 18:33.48 | JeffM2501 | it's not the language |
| 18:33.54 | JeffM2501 | it's the way it was just writen |
| 18:34.03 | JeffM2501 | it's just not designed for modern stuff |
| 18:34.07 | JeffM2501 | trepan did what he could |
| 18:34.09 | jpa- | yup.. |
| 18:34.12 | JeffM2501 | and it's better then it used to be |
| 18:34.19 | JeffM2501 | modern engines just do things very difrently |
| 18:34.33 | spldart | I understand |
| 18:34.48 | spldart | roughly as much as someone who doesn't write code can :) |
| 18:34.51 | JeffM2501 | and since the code was not meant to be modular, we can't easaly replace the engine |
| 18:35.02 | spldart | oh wow |
| 18:35.18 | JeffM2501 | when it was made, you wrote programs to do what they did, that's it |
| 18:35.22 | spldart | So if bz ever decided to break free from current constraints... It would have to be reborn altogether |
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| 18:36.02 | jpa- | humm.. i remember someone experiementing with g3d.. was it JeffM2501? |
| 18:36.42 | SportyGal | who is this bz5611? can someone get rid of him please - now he's sending that spam to me privately |
| 18:36.48 | spldart | who is bz5611 |
| 18:36.56 | spldart | hes pming me crap too |
| 18:37.06 | SportyGal | can you silence someone? |
| 18:37.07 | SportyGal | here |
| 18:37.16 | spldart | same quote he spammed my map with yesterday evening |
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| 18:40.26 | SportyGal | so anyone know who this jerk is? he's using bzwebchat to spam everyone |
| 18:41.08 | Bagheera | SportyGal< you can report him to #freenode, they have spam checkers |
| 18:41.25 | Tupone | bzwebchat ? |
| 18:41.34 | DTRemenak | SportyGal, what's his hostmask? |
| 18:42.04 | jpa- | 21:41:54 [freenode] -!- bz5611 [~0c9ef20c@webchat.bzflag.bz] |
| 18:42.15 | SportyGal | it was webchat.bzflag.bz |
| 18:42.28 | SportyGal | Bagheera: how do I do that? just tell me and i'll be happy to |
| 18:42.53 | SportyGal | it's not just that he's spamming, but the content of the spam is highly offensive |
| 18:43.47 | SportyGal | I have no voice on #freenode |
| 18:43.48 | spldart | racism |
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| 18:45.59 | Bagheera | SportyGal< you have to wait a little bit to get voice there....you can /msg "staffer" to get someones attention look at the topic for more info |
| 18:46.32 | Bagheera | they used to have the report spam stuff in the topic......guess they changed it.... |
| 18:46.38 | SportyGal | Bagheera: the only one there with admin rights (right now) is ChanServ, which I believe is a bot |
| 18:46.46 | DTRemenak | same idjit that got himself put on the master banlist. I'm adding him to the IP denial table for bzflag's cgi:irc. |
| 18:47.47 | SportyGal | DTRemenak: ty |
| 18:48.00 | DTRemenak | np. dunno if it will kick him off but it will keep him from coming back |
| 18:48.12 | DTRemenak | unless he figures out how to change his ip |
| 18:48.29 | Bagheera | SportyGal< if you do /who *.staff.freenode they will show the staff.....on that channel the ops are not identified |
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| 18:48.31 | spldart | what is with these 12.x.x.x 's anyway :( |
| 18:48.43 | SportyGal | ah, ok, thanks Bagheera |
| 18:49.04 | DTRemenak | ah, no such nick/channel now |
| 18:49.07 | DTRemenak | he's gone |
| 18:49.18 | spldart | he's been gone for a bit |
| 18:49.33 | spldart | I tried to send him a very suggestive retort shortly after he spammed me a pm |
| 18:49.44 | spldart | but got the no such too |
| 18:50.40 | Bagheera | ya'know it would be nice if www.freenode had a search field..... |
| 18:51.43 | SportyGal | Bagheera: I tried your suggestion, but it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 18:52.00 | Bagheera | ? |
| 18:52.04 | Bagheera | which one |
| 18:53.18 | SportyGal | I tried /who *.staff.freenode /who *.staff.freenode.net /who *staff.freenode and a couple of others, but nothing happened |
| 18:53.43 | DTRemenak | hm. what IRC client are you using? |
| 18:53.44 | SportyGal | oh wait - that last one did the trick |
| 18:53.45 | SportyGal | nm |
| 18:53.48 | SportyGal | xchat |
| 18:53.51 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 18:55.00 | Bagheera | SportyGal< sry, i probably didnt copy the topic over to here correctly.... |
| 18:55.14 | SportyGal | Bagheera: np |
| 18:55.15 | SportyGal | it was fine |
| 19:02.06 | spldart | Nothing like a nescient boor to kill conversation |
| 19:03.39 | lovebug | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:05.27 | Bagheera | ~spell nescient |
| 19:06.06 | Bagheera | ~dict nascent |
| 19:06.21 | jpa- | hi brad2901 gnight brad2901 iloveu brad2901 |
| 19:06.29 | brad2901 | o_O |
| 19:07.42 | jpa- | oh damn, sgk284 was still here :/ |
| 19:07.49 | spldart | ne-science - lack of knowledge or awareness |
| 19:07.51 | jpa- | he's probably angry at me now :( |
| 19:08.03 | jpa- | oh no, sgk284 is _still_ here :/ |
| 19:08.26 | cosmos | ~dict numbskull |
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| 19:25.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (motd.cxx motd.h playing.cxx): motd does not block startup anymore |
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| 19:44.05 | JeffM2501 | any php masters here? |
| 19:44.47 | JeffM2501 | or not even a master, but somone who will make a simple script for me? :) |
| 19:45.07 | Birdie | menotume cough cough menotume maybe cough |
| 19:45.11 | Birdie | :) |
| 19:45.14 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:45.22 | JeffM2501 | menotume, you around and have any time? |
| 19:45.31 | menotume | i can try |
| 19:45.42 | menotume | definately not a master |
| 19:45.50 | JeffM2501 | I want a very simple php page, that scans the dir it's in for png files |
| 19:46.00 | menotume | ok, np |
| 19:46.07 | JeffM2501 | then lists there file names, full URL paths, and maybe a thumbnail |
| 19:46.24 | menotume | ahhh, thumnail may be a little difficult |
| 19:46.32 | JeffM2501 | with the added caveat that if there is a txt file in the dir called 'authors.txt' it will put that text at the top |
| 19:46.33 | menotume | we can start off simple |
| 19:46.40 | JeffM2501 | thumbnails arn't that important |
| 19:46.41 | menotume | k |
| 19:46.57 | JeffM2501 | if no thumbnail then at least a link to view the image |
| 19:47.16 | JeffM2501 | basicly I'm seting up dirs on my.bzflag.org that will store images for use in maps |
| 19:47.24 | menotume | can be done, if you have the php imag library (forgot it's name) |
| 19:47.35 | menotume | ok |
| 19:47.42 | JeffM2501 | but I'd like a way to throw a php index page in the dir so that map devs can know what is avail in each dir |
| 19:47.52 | JeffM2501 | it's on the bzbb/list server machine |
| 19:47.57 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl have a number of things installed |
| 19:48.08 | JeffM2501 | if it dosn't we can install more if needed |
| 19:48.09 | menotume | okies |
| 19:48.17 | menotume | dir ? |
| 19:48.30 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/resources/images/ |
| 19:48.36 | JeffM2501 | then there are dirs per author |
| 19:48.39 | menotume | i'll copy your images to my own dir, and make an index.php |
| 19:48.45 | menotume | k |
| 19:48.46 | JeffM2501 | cool thanks |
| 19:48.58 | JeffM2501 | I think it will make a nice repository |
| 19:48.59 | menotume | np |
| 19:49.05 | JeffM2501 | I checked with nid, he's ok with it |
| 19:49.16 | JeffM2501 | and it's a bzflag.org domain so eveyrone gets it by default |
| 19:50.34 | JeffM2501 | and it dosn't have to be purdy :) |
| 19:50.43 | JeffM2501 | players will not see it |
| 19:50.45 | JeffM2501 | just map developers |
| 19:50.46 | menotume | k, i'll make something simple, you can tweek it to make it 'look' better/ |
| 19:51.24 | menotume | he does not have the GD library installed there, it would seem |
| 19:51.29 | Bagheera | ooo...flashback ScreamersWinBin-4-12-03.zip |
| 19:51.53 | JeffM2501 | 03 |
| 19:51.53 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 19:52.20 | JeffM2501 | you could try http://sasami.myth.gibbscam.com/ogf/builds/pg-0.0.0-051805.zip |
| 19:52.24 | JeffM2501 | it's a bit updated :) |
| 19:54.14 | Bagheera | DevIL.dll |
| 19:54.35 | JeffM2501 | bahh |
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| 19:55.11 | JeffM2501 | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/openil/DevIL-EndUser-1.6.7.zip |
| 19:55.38 | JeffM2501 | keep forgeting that I throw all those in my system dir and forget about em |
| 19:57.24 | Bagheera | heh... |
| 19:58.29 | JeffM2501 | and pay no attention to the fact that the litle 1 meg downlaod will bloat to 140 megs when you run it ;) |
| 19:58.48 | spldart | Gotta pick up parts for my kawisaki. So long and thanks for all the fish ;) |
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| 20:00.05 | Bagheera | wow, 256kbps, not bad |
| 20:00.56 | *** part/#bzflag TOKIMI (~jason@e2e.cudenver.edu) |
| 20:01.24 | JeffM2501 | it's from work |
| 20:01.40 | JeffM2501 | not sure if the counter is right ether :) |
| 20:02.52 | JeffM2501 | at least this one has a map format and user editable maps |
| 20:03.23 | JeffM2501 | tho if purple_cow ever sees the format he'll point at me and laugh |
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| 20:06.19 | Tupone | I invite everyone to build libcurl with c-ares enabled, and test my changes with and without connectivity |
| 20:06.54 | Tupone | for the people that build by him/herself |
| 20:07.25 | JeffM2501 | what does the term "without connectivity" mean? |
| 20:07.35 | Tupone | with a bad DNS |
| 20:07.48 | Tupone | just to see that motd is no more blocking |
| 20:07.48 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 20:07.58 | Tupone | local lan |
| 20:08.07 | JeffM2501 | a what? |
| 20:08.27 | Tupone | withou access to the listserver |
| 20:08.43 | JeffM2501 | but everything on the internet has access to the list server |
| 20:09.07 | Tupone | someone use bzflag on a local lan. |
| 20:09.24 | Tupone | and sometime listserver is broken |
| 20:09.42 | JeffM2501 | motd is not on the list server |
| 20:09.49 | JeffM2501 | and lans have wan gateways :) |
| 20:10.03 | Tupone | where is motd? |
| 20:10.08 | JeffM2501 | SF |
| 20:10.20 | Tupone | is not database based? |
| 20:10.28 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 20:10.37 | JeffM2501 | part of the news script thingy |
| 20:10.40 | Tupone | and SF has it? |
| 20:10.44 | JeffM2501 | ja |
| 20:11.10 | Tupone | ok, SF can be broken too, more easily that listserver then :) |
| 20:12.02 | uso_w | but not everyone has direct inet access ;) (access through a proxy does not work) |
| 20:12.43 | uso_w | are there any essential things coming with motd? |
| 20:14.09 | Tupone | When most people are ready I'd change the listserver access to avoid locking on DNS and kill -9 will become an old remind |
| 20:14.59 | JeffM2501 | pfffft the internet allways works |
| 20:16.00 | Tupone | JeffM2501: we have a timeout on DNS that is 8 second. When this espire, the second time the system locks. At least mine. I don't want that |
| 20:16.15 | Tupone | system -> bzflag |
| 20:16.34 | Tupone | 2 SIGALRM seems to be bad |
| 20:16.47 | JeffM2501 | why would your dns time out? |
| 20:16.56 | orange | JeffM2501: have you considered using something like 'gallery' (gallery.sourceforge.net) for the textures? |
| 20:17.12 | JeffM2501 | orange, yes, it will not do what I want, it hides the URLS |
| 20:17.17 | JeffM2501 | it's too much |
| 20:17.26 | JeffM2501 | and it won't show the authors text |
| 20:17.28 | orange | you can get to them though |
| 20:17.36 | Tupone | dunno, have to see any piece of internet to know why |
| 20:17.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah they are just buried deep |
| 20:17.41 | JeffM2501 | need something simple |
| 20:17.46 | orange | you can put descriptions on any image and/or subgallery |
| 20:17.59 | uso_w | Tupone: sure there are other places needing a kill -9 |
| 20:17.59 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, this concept of "no internet" it does not compute in my brain |
| 20:18.09 | JeffM2501 | orange, I use gallery for my own stuff, I know what it can do :) |
| 20:18.15 | JeffM2501 | it's overkill |
| 20:18.21 | JeffM2501 | just want something very very simple |
| 20:18.37 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, the internet is everywhere, everything :) |
| 20:18.38 | Tupone | not dns lock, SIGALRM |
| 20:18.54 | orange | understood... I can just see something with built-in authorization and self-administration, etc. would eventually be useful |
| 20:19.23 | JeffM2501 | orange, It can be, this is just a first run test |
| 20:19.23 | orange | it's heavy only in the ui, of course... the pictures are directly accessible |
| 20:19.29 | JeffM2501 | it's not to be viewable by end users |
| 20:20.06 | JeffM2501 | seting up gallery and all that would be wasted if noone ever uses my.bzflag.org to host images :) |
| 20:20.16 | orange | well, that's true enough |
| 20:20.18 | JeffM2501 | a simple php will help me my proof of concept |
| 20:20.24 | JeffM2501 | and I've found gallery to be a little slow |
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| 20:20.40 | JeffM2501 | I also want to minimise the bandwith used |
| 20:20.49 | JeffM2501 | and ensure png ONLY |
| 20:21.06 | JeffM2501 | we are sucking up nids bandwith he is giving us |
| 20:21.54 | JeffM2501 | if lots and lots of people like it and we need to give others upload access, then maybe a striped down gallery will work |
| 20:22.08 | Bagheera | 500 to go |
| 20:22.20 | orange | that's why I was thinking of it... was the multi- and hands-off- admin |
| 20:22.35 | JeffM2501 | well right now I kinda wants admin hands on |
| 20:22.47 | JeffM2501 | to make sure that noone goes and throws inapropriate stuff up there |
| 20:24.37 | JeffM2501 | so it has to go thru one of us that has access to web for now, once we are sure it's not going to be abused, then a wider group of admins would make sense |
| 20:25.14 | orange | makes sense |
| 20:28.03 | JeffM2501 | now optimaly it would be tied into the message board :) |
| 20:28.05 | JeffM2501 | using those users |
| 20:28.13 | JeffM2501 | and let the board be the gallery |
| 20:29.41 | Bagheera | 10, 9, 8, 7, 6.....5, 4,3,2,1 |
| 20:30.01 | trepan_away | or better yet, have the URL'ed textures work directly in a modeller |
| 20:30.26 | JeffM2501 | that would be most cool |
| 20:30.36 | JeffM2501 | can blender do that? |
| 20:30.44 | trepan | dunno |
| 20:31.15 | trepan | prolly wouldn't be all that hard to setup, even if not in blender specifically |
| 20:33.02 | JeffM2501 | prolly |
| 20:33.20 | JeffM2501 | *.bzflag.org is allowed by default for downloads right? |
| 20:33.28 | trepan | yup, as is .bz |
| 20:33.32 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:33.49 | JeffM2501 | at least we'll have a place to put stuff that everyone can see now |
| 20:33.53 | trepan | (kindly hosted by learner...) |
| 20:34.26 | JeffM2501 | menotume is making me a nice index php that lists the files, the URLS to use the maps, and a thing to show the picture, and list any author credits :) |
| 20:34.44 | JeffM2501 | pancake bunnie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:35.32 | JeffM2501 | pancake bunny needs no credits :) |
| 20:35.38 | trepan | glad to hear you'll be doing a better job on it |
| 20:36.07 | JeffM2501 | well as orange said, gallery would be best |
| 20:39.24 | menotume | JeffM2501: how does it look now ? |
| 20:39.48 | JeffM2501 | very cool |
| 20:40.03 | JeffM2501 | I hate to ask more, but coudl you do 1 more thing? :) |
| 20:40.12 | JeffM2501 | add a list of sub dirs at the very bottom |
| 20:40.22 | JeffM2501 | that are just links |
| 20:40.25 | JeffM2501 | so I can nest |
| 20:40.38 | menotume | k |
| 20:40.57 | menotume | you'll need to put the index.php in each dir |
| 20:41.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah I will |
| 20:41.25 | menotume | okies :) |
| 20:41.29 | JeffM2501 | that's my way of doing access controll |
| 20:41.35 | JeffM2501 | dirs with out the index will be forboden |
| 20:42.19 | JeffM2501 | I know I can do it with the dir indexes in apahe, but here I get to do it explicidly |
| 20:42.27 | JeffM2501 | with out editing a config :) |
| 20:43.54 | trepan | eventually you'll also want maps, models, sounds, etc... listed in the same repository |
| 20:43.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:44.12 | JeffM2501 | right now I have this going into my.bzflag.org/resources/images/ |
| 20:44.23 | JeffM2501 | so that we can do sounds, maps, etc at the resources level |
| 20:44.50 | JeffM2501 | basicly my.bzflag.org/resources/images/author/........ |
| 20:45.30 | trepan | might be worth splitting off new domain names, more modular |
| 20:45.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah can do that too |
| 20:45.52 | JeffM2501 | resources.bzflag.org |
| 20:46.04 | JeffM2501 | crap.bzflag.org |
| 20:46.09 | JeffM2501 | stuff.bzflag.org |
| 20:46.22 | trepan | ya, shorter URLs ;) |
| 20:46.48 | JeffM2501 | you want like images.bzflag.org? |
| 20:46.52 | JeffM2501 | and sounds.bzflag.org? |
| 20:46.58 | JeffM2501 | could just vhost them into the dirs |
| 20:47.24 | trepan | that's the basic idea |
| 20:47.43 | trepan | then they could be hosted on separate machine (if need be) by simply mod'ing the DNS |
| 20:47.51 | JeffM2501 | ja |
| 20:48.05 | JeffM2501 | I'll get it working in the dirs, and then ask dtr or learner to set up some vhosts |
| 20:48.21 | JeffM2501 | I never understand how it's set on the list server |
| 20:48.43 | JeffM2501 | or maybe we should host it on sf :) |
| 20:48.54 | JeffM2501 | to that don't give us vhost |
| 20:49.16 | trepan | learner offered up a little support from his machine |
| 20:49.27 | trepan | several folks have access there |
| 20:50.03 | JeffM2501 | nid said it was fine to host it on the list server |
| 20:50.09 | JeffM2501 | bandwith wise |
| 20:50.12 | JeffM2501 | dono who has more |
| 20:50.44 | JeffM2501 | I'll set up a set of images, and when we see learner we can ask him if he'd like to host it at like images.bzflag.bz |
| 20:51.32 | trepan | the fact that learner gave me an account on .bz was the reason that it's in all the DownloadAccess.txt files :) |
| 20:51.49 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 20:56.09 | menotume | JeffM2501: try one more time |
| 20:56.36 | JeffM2501 | wicked cool :) |
| 20:56.39 | menotume | lol |
| 20:56.50 | JeffM2501 | that will work perfectly |
| 20:56.59 | menotume | shall i put it in the yallaire dir and see if it works ? |
| 20:57.13 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 20:57.14 | menotume | at m.b.o |
| 20:57.18 | menotume | okies |
| 21:00.07 | menotume | JeffM2501: no perms. gt it from /home/menotume/index.php |
| 21:00.13 | menotume | 9get it) |
| 21:00.15 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:00.25 | menotume | lol |
| 21:00.57 | menotume | i didn't test it if there wer no pngs in the dir, etc. but it should be ok |
| 21:01.02 | JeffM2501 | hmm would help if I went to the right server too |
| 21:01.16 | menotume | hmm, probably |
| 21:02.26 | menotume | 'resources' dir is not web-acessible |
| 21:03.23 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/resources/images/yallaire/ |
| 21:03.25 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 21:03.32 | menotume | looks like it should be |
| 21:03.45 | menotume | ahh, okies - works |
| 21:03.52 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't have indexing |
| 21:03.57 | menotume | ooops, bug |
| 21:04.06 | menotume | if author file isn't here |
| 21:04.13 | JeffM2501 | ha |
| 21:05.58 | menotume | ok, fixed |
| 21:06.05 | JeffM2501 | your dir has update? |
| 21:06.08 | menotume | yes |
| 21:06.54 | menotume | is the (up} navigation link ok ? |
| 21:07.39 | JeffM2501 | not realy needed, but it's ok |
| 21:07.47 | JeffM2501 | I'll get the resources dir to have a listing |
| 21:07.50 | JeffM2501 | then it'll be cool |
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| 21:08.10 | menotume | ahhh, right - ok |
| 21:08.47 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/resources/images/ |
| 21:08.48 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 21:08.50 | menotume | you should be able to tweek it to make it look better, it's kind hacked |
| 21:08.59 | JeffM2501 | I think it looks fine |
| 21:09.02 | JeffM2501 | for what it needs to do now :) |
| 21:09.19 | menotume | lol |
| 21:09.20 | menotume | ok |
| 21:09.41 | JeffM2501 | now to convert all the images and put em up in sub dirs |
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| 21:10.58 | menotume | convert ? |
| 21:11.00 | elwin | I have a question about bzflag mapping.... |
| 21:11.06 | elwin | ? |
| 21:11.14 | JeffM2501 | the images I have are in tga and jpeg |
| 21:11.23 | JeffM2501 | so have to convert them to png |
| 21:11.25 | menotume | oooh, you have more :) |
| 21:11.30 | JeffM2501 | elwin, sure |
| 21:11.41 | JeffM2501 | menotume, yeah got perms on evil sets 1 top 8 |
| 21:12.05 | menotume | you need a script to convert them ? :) |
| 21:12.09 | JeffM2501 | have one |
| 21:12.13 | menotume | k :) |
| 21:12.17 | elwin | is there somewhere online a tutorial about how to use the object definition and instances? I am also not understanding the shift spin and shear functions |
| 21:12.19 | JeffM2501 | photoshop applet :) |
| 21:12.27 | menotume | ohhh |
| 21:12.47 | JeffM2501 | elwin, there arn't realy tutorials persay, but there are pages that talk about the newer features |
| 21:12.53 | JeffM2501 | the wiki pages have some |
| 21:13.02 | JeffM2501 | but my.bzflag.org/bb/ has a lot of refrences |
| 21:13.10 | elwin | hmmm, even some maps that use the features would help |
| 21:13.22 | elwin | I have looked at the wiki, but become even more confused |
| 21:13.23 | JeffM2501 | the board has many maps hosted on it |
| 21:13.33 | elwin | what board, where? |
| 21:13.40 | JeffM2501 | my.bzflag.org/bb |
| 21:13.48 | JeffM2501 | there are like 4 maps specific forums |
| 21:14.36 | elwin | I have looked there...sigh, but not found quite what I am after, maybe I need to look harder |
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| 21:15.02 | JeffM2501 | there are no step by step tutorials |
| 21:15.07 | JeffM2501 | if that is what your looking for |
| 21:15.17 | JeffM2501 | what did you need to know about what objects? |
| 21:16.12 | elwin | okay, if I am understanding objects correctly, you can define a whole bunch of map elements that you might want to re-use with a group definiton and then have them appear whereever you want, correct? |
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| 21:16.31 | bz4515arse | hi |
| 21:17.36 | bz4515arse | can anyone tell me how to specify the comand line ip adress's when you are networked? |
| 21:17.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah you can make a gorup then reuse it |
| 21:18.02 | JeffM2501 | bbiab meeting time |
| 21:18.31 | bz4515arse | windows |
| 21:19.28 | bz4515arse | -puplicaddr 454.545.453.454:5155.....................then how do i specify the other machine |
| 21:19.35 | elwin | okay, I assume you define the elements themselves within the group definition, then use the "shift" function in the group instance to locate the group on the map, but I am not getting how to make an element repeat...or do you just use a whole 'nother group instance? |
| 21:19.39 | bz4515arse | the server is on |
| 21:20.41 | bz4515arse | help anyone? |
| 21:20.53 | bz4515arse | please |
| 21:21.26 | Tupone | bz4515arse: your server and client are on the same lan? |
| 21:21.59 | bz4515arse | yes |
| 21:22.30 | bz4515arse | yes they are on the same lan |
| 21:22.32 | Tupone | you want to let other on internet access your server , or you want to play just locally? |
| 21:23.14 | bz4515arse | let the other access ...so as to run on this machine which is networked to the server |
| 21:23.38 | Tupone | your connection to internet is enough? |
| 21:23.53 | bz4515arse | yes about 10meg |
| 21:24.06 | bz4515arse | is enough? |
| 21:25.24 | elwin | okay, I assume you define the elements themselves within the group definition, then use the "shift" function in the group instance to locate the group on the map, but I am not getting how to make an element repeat...or do you just use a whole 'nother group instance? |
| 21:25.29 | Tupone | 10 meg is enough to le play someone. |
| 21:25.32 | elwin | anybody? |
| 21:26.11 | trepan | elwin: there is no 'repeat' function, use the 'group <name>' again |
| 21:26.16 | Tupone | the option to bzfs are -public "Server title" -publicaddr 454.545.453.454:5155 |
| 21:26.28 | elwin | phooey! |
| 21:26.28 | *** part/#bzflag elwin (1000@dialup-4.225.2.235.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) |
| 21:26.41 | Tupone | then, if it work, you don't need to specify anything client side |
| 21:26.43 | trepan | it is not like the bzmapper format, if that's what you alluding to |
| 21:26.43 | bz4515arse | wicked many thanks tupone :) |
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| 21:28.07 | bz4515arse | I think i understand now, you filled in the peice missing thanks |
| 21:31.02 | elwin | just out of curiousity, can you run a server behind a firewall? |
| 21:31.22 | elwin | tho i imagine my ip admin would probably roast me slowly |
| 21:31.41 | elwin | I am running a local server |
| 21:31.48 | creeperz | ElectricElf: youd have to open the port |
| 21:31.49 | elwin | but wonder if it could be accessable from outside |
| 21:32.11 | elwin | well, that ain't gonna happen...I will just stick with my local server |
| 21:32.32 | elwin | they'd probably have a cow if they found out I was running even the local server anyhoo |
| 21:32.56 | creeperz | err |
| 21:33.01 | creeperz | elwin: * |
| 21:33.07 | creeperz | not ElectricElf |
| 21:33.21 | creeperz | these Choclate Lucky Charms are distracting me >.< |
| 21:33.37 | elwin | I see, hence the elf |
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| 21:33.59 | creeperz | the only porblem with autonick completion |
| 21:34.07 | elwin | well, I am off to go play with some mapmaking and see if I can realy muck things up |
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| 21:34.54 | JeffM2501 | and the post engine continues to kick ass... |
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| 21:38.37 | elwin | I have a dual boot pc, windoze me and Slackware 10.0. Bzflag runs reasonably well in windows but is slower than molasses in linux, I have an intel 810 chipset on the MB I have run xorgconfig but it didn't help |
| 21:39.05 | elwin | any ideas?> |
| 21:39.43 | JeffM2501 | the 810 chipset sucks |
| 21:39.58 | JeffM2501 | see if there are any better drives for it for linux |
| 21:40.05 | elwin | i know, am gonna get me an nvidia card one of these days |
| 21:40.07 | JeffM2501 | or get a video card that is better supported in both Oss |
| 21:40.12 | JeffM2501 | that will help a lot |
| 21:40.17 | JeffM2501 | and nvida makes good linux driers |
| 21:40.24 | elwin | i had one, but gave it to the wife |
| 21:40.32 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:41.04 | JeffM2501 | what driver does it use in X? |
| 21:41.07 | JeffM2501 | DRI? |
| 21:41.11 | JeffM2501 | or something else? |
| 21:41.40 | elwin | she had an 810 too...I installed an extra stick of ram in her computer and the 810 puked....I didn't feel like messing around trying to fix it, so put my card in hers....on mine I just used the driver from nvidia's website |
| 21:42.07 | elwin | it was a geforce 4 mx4000 from wal-mart about sixty bucks |
| 21:42.37 | Mr_Molez | on linux how do i change the buttons for joypad ? |
| 21:43.11 | elwin | can't help you there...I am still something of a linux noob, even after three years |
| 21:43.13 | Tupone | from the option |
| 21:43.14 | Mr_Molez | do i have to do it in some program or bzflag ? |
| 21:43.23 | Tupone | inside bzflag |
| 21:43.27 | Mr_Molez | from the options i cant change ne thin |
| 21:43.39 | Mr_Molez | and only left/forwarf and right/forward works |
| 21:43.45 | Mr_Molez | :( |
| 21:44.03 | Tupone | what kind of you pad is? seen has joystick? |
| 21:44.24 | Mr_Molez | its a pad |
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| 21:44.30 | Mr_Molez | 8 buttons |
| 21:45.00 | Tupone | on input->input settings->joystick device it allow to select other things? |
| 21:46.05 | Mr_Molez | 0 -2 axis 8 buttons |
| 21:46.15 | Mr_Molez | thats all it offers |
| 21:46.34 | Tupone | select this |
| 21:46.45 | Tupone | or it was already? |
| 21:46.49 | Mr_Molez | already |
| 21:47.12 | Tupone | and when you go to change key mapping? |
| 21:48.31 | Mr_Molez | ohh ive figured it out |
| 21:48.39 | Mr_Molez | it didnt offer me chance to change x y axis |
| 21:48.41 | Mr_Molez | has done now |
| 21:48.44 | Mr_Molez | thanks :) |
| 21:48.47 | Legoguy | ok, can someone tell me why team #bs was deleted? |
| 21:48.51 | Legoguy | from the league? |
| 21:49.25 | Legoguy | I spent a fair amount of time recruiting people to that team, and it's gone now? wtf? |
| 21:50.43 | Legoguy | first my FirefoxModern theme gets lost from update.mozilla.org, now this... sheesh, what's the world coming to |
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| 21:53.27 | Mr_Molez | u play ne matches ? |
| 21:53.35 | Mr_Molez | umm i cant seem to spawn with the joypad |
| 21:53.40 | Legoguy | "Your team has been dismissed, so you are teamless now. :(" |
| 21:53.45 | Legoguy | wtf? |
| 21:53.56 | Legoguy | we were just getting ready to play a match.. |
| 21:55.14 | Tupone | Mr_Molez: you need to map 2 event, identify and spawning |
| 21:56.30 | Mr_Molez | identify/ lock on is spawn aint it |
| 21:56.39 | Mr_Molez | well i mapped that but it wont spawn |
| 21:58.44 | Tupone | what you read when you start? |
| 21:59.16 | Tupone | Press xxxx to start |
| 21:59.46 | Mr_Molez | you joined the red team |
| 21:59.59 | Mr_Molez | doesnt say owt about what to press |
| 22:00.29 | Tupone | Does not say Press F4 to start or F5 or whatever? |
| 22:01.24 | Mr_Molez | nah |
| 22:01.47 | Tupone | have you got a broken keypad :/ ? |
| 22:01.58 | Mr_Molez | no |
| 22:02.00 | Mr_Molez | all buttons work |
| 22:02.08 | Mr_Molez | i checked by mapping them to fire button |
| 22:02.10 | Mr_Molez | which works |
| 22:02.15 | Mr_Molez | everythin works |
| 22:02.26 | Mr_Molez | except i cant get spawn to map to any button |
| 22:03.08 | Death_Barrel | are you using joypad enhancements? |
| 22:03.11 | Death_Barrel | that could be the prob |
| 22:03.14 | Mr_Molez | yep lol |
| 22:03.14 | Death_Barrel | :D |
| 22:03.31 | Tupone | what's that? |
| 22:03.37 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 22:03.43 | Death_Barrel | mostly a joke :) |
| 22:04.09 | Tupone | ok :-) |
| 22:04.25 | Mr_Molez | also what i dont understand |
| 22:04.28 | Mr_Molez | is when i press I |
| 22:04.31 | Mr_Molez | it still spawns |
| 22:04.32 | Death_Barrel | try spawning with "i" |
| 22:04.40 | Mr_Molez | even though i changed I to a map on the joypad |
| 22:05.08 | Tupone | Mr_Molez: what is your active input device? |
| 22:05.10 | Death_Barrel | how is it playing with a gamepad ? |
| 22:05.12 | Mr_Molez | aloy |
| 22:05.15 | Mr_Molez | joystick |
| 22:05.24 | Mr_Molez | no wait |
| 22:05.25 | Mr_Molez | auto |
| 22:05.34 | Death_Barrel | select joystick |
| 22:05.40 | Mr_Molez | duno yet db aint had chance to try it properly |
| 22:05.43 | Mr_Molez | ok |
| 22:05.48 | Tupone | or put mouse or keyboard |
| 22:06.31 | Tupone | nite all |
| 22:06.35 | Death_Barrel | are you using the official client? or the one for the mouse enhancements? |
| 22:06.36 | Mr_Molez | nah doesnt work |
| 22:06.42 | Death_Barrel | :) |
| 22:06.46 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 22:07.00 | Death_Barrel | sorry man i haven't used a gamepad before |
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| 22:07.11 | Death_Barrel | tried with 1.10....but it required an sdl build |
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| 22:07.24 | Death_Barrel | yo creeperz |
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| 22:07.53 | Mr_Molez | i give up |
| 22:07.56 | Mr_Molez | bbl |
| 22:08.12 | Death_Barrel | hehe |
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| 22:18.32 | Badenser | Hi all ... BZflag worked fine for years but suddenly it became unplayable (dont know when ...). It freezes after some seconds, then "wakes up", then freezes again ... did anyone had the same? |
| 22:22.15 | JeffM2501 | what changed on your computer? |
| 22:22.34 | JeffM2501 | software generaly dosn't change itself :) |
| 22:22.43 | Badenser | JeffM2501, mh, thats the problem ... cannot remember ... maybe the nvidia driver |
| 22:22.50 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 22:22.53 | Badenser | or a kernel flag ... have no Idea |
| 22:22.56 | Badenser | Debian testing |
| 22:23.17 | JeffM2501 | often if you update the kernel, you need to reinstall your drivers |
| 22:23.17 | Badenser | I also tried to reduced to the lousiest graphics ... always the same |
| 22:23.20 | JeffM2501 | since they link to it |
| 22:23.26 | JeffM2501 | redo your drivers |
| 22:23.26 | Badenser | yes .. i did |
| 22:23.31 | Badenser | all 3D games work |
| 22:23.38 | Badenser | except bzflag |
| 22:23.58 | JeffM2501 | what version? |
| 22:23.58 | Badenser | well ... I have no idea where to start my search ... |
| 22:24.12 | Badenser | 2.0.2 |
| 22:24.25 | JeffM2501 | you may need to rebuild or update SDL |
| 22:24.30 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.x uses it |
| 22:25.04 | Badenser | ehm, just for orienteering, when was the flying-flag introduced? |
| 22:25.09 | JeffM2501 | 2 |
| 22:25.10 | Badenser | was this the 2.x series? |
| 22:25.17 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.0 |
| 22:25.18 | Badenser | mh ... it already worked with it ... |
| 22:25.38 | JeffM2501 | the software didn't change |
| 22:25.42 | JeffM2501 | so it has to be someting on your system |
| 22:25.58 | JeffM2501 | the things bz uses are openGL, sdl, and x windows |
| 22:26.04 | Badenser | well .. I dont just want to complain .. I dont believe its a bzflag ... I just need an idea how to debug |
| 22:26.19 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to find out what you chagned |
| 22:26.24 | Badenser | (i meant: dont think its a bzflag bug) |
| 22:26.27 | JeffM2501 | did you turn z buffer off? |
| 22:26.34 | JeffM2501 | cus that can make the performance suck |
| 22:26.49 | Badenser | wait a moment ... i think so |
| 22:27.00 | JeffM2501 | turn it on |
| 22:28.23 | Badenser | JeffM2501, same ... |
| 22:28.36 | Badenser | JeffM2501, same problem .. with and without |
| 22:29.16 | Badenser | the funny thing is: the tank seems to move forward (for the server) ... because after the 3sec-freeze I went forward on the map |
| 22:29.35 | Badenser | it happens with every server, even on the localhost |
| 22:32.26 | Badenser | mh ... just tried parsec. It uses SDL, too ... and it works fluently |
| 22:32.33 | Badenser | also vegastrike |
| 22:36.11 | Badenser | mh ... ok ... thanks for listening ... |
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| 23:17.41 | JeffM2501 | menotume, http://my.bzflag.org/resources/images/yallaire/one/q3evil1/ |
| 23:22.41 | JeffM2501 | have it reading in an optional preview file |
| 23:22.46 | JeffM2501 | and listing any zip files it finds too |
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| 23:25.57 | JeffM2501 | let the bannings commence |
| 23:26.48 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:28.10 | JeffM2501 | taken care of |
| 23:31.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10admin/master-bans.txt: 68.225.226.37 spaming bzbb ( sharpshooter) |
| 23:31.35 | DTRemenak | hmm, I thought bzbb banlist and master banlist were supposed to be distinct? |
| 23:31.42 | JeffM2501 | they are |
| 23:31.52 | JeffM2501 | but that's a name that redsox fan has used |
| 23:32.05 | JeffM2501 | they are seperate |
| 23:32.07 | DTRemenak | ah. should probably say that then :) |
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| 23:32.11 | JeffM2501 | I just baned him in both places :) |
| 23:32.37 | JeffM2501 | cus I'm grumpy and old :) |
| 23:32.47 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, what do you think of this? |
| 23:32.47 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/resources/images/yallaire/one/q3evil1/ |
| 23:33.07 | DTRemenak | just commenting 'cause if people start showing up on the master banlist with comment like "spamming bzbb" people are going to wonder just how seriously we take the separation |
| 23:33.16 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:33.20 | DTRemenak | ooh, nifty |
| 23:33.51 | JeffM2501 | preview isn't auto generated sadly |
| 23:33.57 | JeffM2501 | but the list of files is |
| 23:33.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10admin/master-bans.txt: |
| 23:34.10 | JeffM2501 | menotume made most of it, I tweaked it a bit |
| 23:34.17 | JeffM2501 | I'm going to upload all the "evil" textures |
| 23:34.25 | JeffM2501 | and use that for the index page for em |
| 23:34.30 | cosmos | what did redsox do now? |
| 23:34.31 | DTRemenak | shouldn't be that hard to generate thumbnails |
| 23:34.38 | JeffM2501 | no it shouldn't be hard |
| 23:34.42 | JeffM2501 | I just don't know how :) |
| 23:34.48 | DTRemenak | hehe :) |
| 23:34.51 | JeffM2501 | I just used photoshop to make a contact sheet |
| 23:36.44 | DTRemenak | if you're using photoshop to convert the jpgs to pngs too, you probably ought to use pngcrush or optipng to recompress them. photoshop's png export sucks |
| 23:37.07 | purple_cow | why would you convert jpg to png? |
| 23:37.13 | DTRemenak | but that might just be residual dialupuser left in me |
| 23:37.30 | DTRemenak | purple_cow, if the originals he has are jpgs, then it would make sense, dontchathink? |
| 23:37.31 | purple_cow | you've already lost clarity, and the jpeg compression introduces artifacts that would inflate the size of the png |
| 23:37.45 | DTRemenak | bzflag doesn't read jpgs natively |
| 23:38.11 | purple_cow | oh, that's silly |
| 23:38.41 | DTRemenak | ideally he'd be working off of tiffs or some other lossless format. if he's converting a q3 texture pack though, it's probably already been jpegged |
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