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| 00:17.37 | rkr | Hm...close, I think, to where it failed before. |
| 00:18.35 | brlcad | Hm...close, I think, to almost making positive progress then. |
| 00:18.47 | rkr | (^& |
| 00:19.05 | rkr | It is linking... |
| 00:19.13 | rkr | Okay. Blew up, probably same spot. |
| 00:19.20 | rkr | Let's see why... |
| 00:20.45 | brlcad | what's the first few symbols? |
| 00:21.05 | rkr | -rw-rw-r-- 1 rkr wheel 8 Apr 26 19:13 libPlatform.a |
| 00:21.06 | rkr | Now does that look right to you? (^& |
| 00:21.23 | brlcad | depends :) |
| 00:21.47 | rkr | I would have guessed it should have more than 8 bytes... |
| 00:22.01 | rkr | That's where the missing symbol (first one) is supposed to be. |
| 00:23.00 | brlcad | edit the Makefile.am and remove the if LINUX and subsequent endif lines manually |
| 00:23.11 | rkr | The Makefile.am in the platform directory basically is LINUX-only. |
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| 00:23.31 | rkr | My guess is that the SDL version should be platform independant... |
| 00:23.56 | brlcad | better yet.. |
| 00:23.59 | brlcad | edit configure.in |
| 00:24.11 | rkr | ? |
| 00:24.21 | brlcad | replace the line that says: AM_CONDITIONAL(LINUX, $linux) |
| 00:24.26 | rkr | You mean the LINUX_TREE/LINUX_FALSE..? |
| 00:24.31 | rkr | Ah... |
| 00:24.49 | brlcad | with AM_CONDITIONAL(LINUX, test x = x) |
| 00:25.07 | brlcad | just in case there are other LINUX turds lying about |
| 00:25.38 | rkr | How poetic. (^& Okay. That sounds like a good plan. At least for getting this to work. |
| 00:27.04 | rkr | Actually...that may not work so well. |
| 00:27.15 | rkr | Things like the LINUX frame buffer won't be there, some LINUX syscalls won't... |
| 00:27.20 | rkr | We'll see, though. |
| 00:28.18 | brlcad | that's an automake declaration, not a config.h define |
| 00:28.43 | brlcad | doesn't mean the system is "linux" |
| 00:29.01 | brlcad | LINUX was a poor choice of symbol names |
| 00:29.02 | rkr | Yes, but it might cause some LINUX-speicific .cxx files to be compiled, etc... |
| 00:29.30 | brlcad | you're doing an SDL build I assume? |
| 00:29.33 | rkr | Well, we'll see what happens. Some of the source files refer to LINUX in their names (the X-on-LINUX...) |
| 00:29.39 | brlcad | if so, then it won't..it's all sdl |
| 00:29.43 | rkr | I didn't specifically ask for SDL. I hope that it goes that way. |
| 00:29.49 | DTRemenak | should I make the pkgsrc package use SDL or native? |
| 00:30.24 | rkr | The current package uses Mesa, glu, and ncurses. |
| 00:30.25 | brlcad | either "should" work.. SDL will be more feature-full and consistent most likely |
| 00:30.34 | DTRemenak | Tim made the debian packages use SDL, maybe I should do that |
| 00:30.44 | rkr | That might be the way to go... |
| 00:31.05 | rkr | -rw-rw-r-- 1 rkr wheel 2211680 Apr 26 19:30 libPlatform.a |
| 00:31.25 | brlcad | using sdl on os x too by default |
| 00:31.44 | rkr | (Using SDL, that is...if everyone else is using it...) |
| 00:33.05 | DTRemenak | brlcad, isn't that 'cause the native mac platform files sucked? |
| 00:34.18 | brlcad | nah, they were solid |
| 00:34.40 | brlcad | but they were incomplete, which is why if that's what you mean by sucked :) |
| 00:35.03 | brlcad | you couldn't switch off of full-screen was the biggest problem |
| 00:35.33 | brlcad | but that was a feature too sometimes :) |
| 00:35.37 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:35.59 | brlcad | the rendering feels quite a bit more smooth on native still |
| 00:36.20 | brlcad | but I chaulk that up to immature/inefficient platform loop for sdl right now |
| 00:36.39 | brlcad | or sdl really just is choppy .. but I suspect its something bz's doing |
| 00:37.12 | rkr | Hm. |
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| 00:37.22 | rkr | Looks like it built. |
| 00:37.28 | brlcad | and the difference is very very subtle |
| 00:37.34 | brlcad | rkr: congrats |
| 00:38.09 | rkr | How can I run it without installing it? |
| 00:38.18 | brlcad | src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 00:38.20 | rkr | It says "no fonts found" when I tried...? |
| 00:38.36 | brlcad | run it with data in . |
| 00:38.56 | rkr | Okay, I didn't do it from the toplevel. |
| 00:39.02 | trepan | or use -dir /path/to/bz/data |
| 00:39.06 | rkr | Um, in windowed mode, how do I get out of the window? |
| 00:39.10 | brlcad | f1 |
| 00:39.14 | rkr | (E.g., to another application, or to reposotion the...) |
| 00:39.15 | rkr | Thanks. |
| 00:39.26 | rkr | One minor nit: It forces itself, in windowed mode, to the upper left corner. |
| 00:39.38 | rkr | The old bzflag would let me position it (twm window manager feature). |
| 00:39.50 | rkr | Is this deliberate, an SDLism, or incidental? |
| 00:39.54 | brlcad | unrelated |
| 00:40.02 | brlcad | twm positions, your current doesn't |
| 00:40.04 | trepan | options -> input -> confine mouse |
| 00:40.23 | rkr | f1 didn't unlock the mouse to the window... |
| 00:40.25 | rkr | Ah. |
| 00:40.39 | brlcad | yeah, what trep said too |
| 00:41.24 | rkr | "twm positions your current doesn't? |
| 00:41.37 | rkr | twm by default, if the application doesn't *insist*, lets the user interactively |
| 00:41.42 | rkr | set the window position before it opens. |
| 00:41.51 | rkr | You get a wireframe outline. |
| 00:42.01 | rkr | E.g., emacs works that way. |
| 00:42.14 | rkr | This generally is only overridden if the user gives a -geometry argument. |
| 00:42.24 | trepan | wireframe move, that's so 80's |
| 00:42.31 | rkr | (^& |
| 00:42.37 | rkr | Not wireframe move. |
| 00:42.42 | rkr | Wireframe because the window isn't open yet. |
| 00:42.59 | rkr | I have opaque window drag enabled, of course, but when the window isn't open... |
| 00:43.39 | trepan | ah, too bad, retro is cool |
| 00:43.39 | brlcad | that's still something twm does, are you using twm? |
| 00:44.03 | brlcad | ahh, could be the auto-window positioning for centering |
| 00:44.35 | rkr | (^& |
| 00:44.41 | brlcad | that would be a bz-sdlism |
| 00:44.41 | rkr | The window doesn't center. |
| 00:44.45 | rkr | It's top left. |
| 00:44.57 | rkr | Yes, I'm using twm. |
| 00:45.06 | rkr | That's my point. The application must be insisting on a window position. |
| 00:45.18 | rkr | It would be nice if it weren't so insistant, since I would rather put it more in the center. |
| 00:45.28 | rkr | (Or just generally where I want it...) |
| 00:45.41 | brlcad | it's supposed to center, so probably something else went awry |
| 00:46.09 | brlcad | don't recall if that's something sdl does by default or something tupone made it do |
| 00:46.11 | rkr | Never trust a computer to do something that a person can do. (^& |
| 00:47.00 | brlcad | that would mean never trust a computer at all |
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| 00:47.07 | rkr | Oh, I don't know about that... |
| 00:47.40 | brlcad | here, takes these symbols, arrange them into source code files, write a compiler (after you write a self-compiling editor to write the compiler), compile them, ... |
| 00:48.15 | brlcad | that's something I as a person could do.. |
| 00:48.21 | DTRemenak | rkr: a person can do anything a computer can do |
| 00:48.38 | rkr | A person can't live off of an electric outlet. |
| 00:48.46 | DTRemenak | sure they can |
| 00:48.54 | BenUrban | ...for a few seconds |
| 00:49.03 | brlcad | with proper grounding |
| 00:49.04 | DTRemenak | plug a light into the electrical outlet, plant a few seeds |
| 00:49.20 | rkr | Now you're adding extra equipment. |
| 00:49.23 | rkr | A computer doesn't need that. |
| 00:49.25 | BenUrban | but a computer can't live purely off of an electrical outlet either |
| 00:49.35 | BenUrban | a computer needs replacement parts |
| 00:49.40 | rkr | A person can't count to 1 billion in a second. |
| 00:49.51 | brlcad | i just did |
| 00:49.51 | rkr | A person needs replacement parts, too. |
| 00:49.53 | DTRemenak | a person can't move the window instantaneously either |
| 00:50.11 | BenUrban | timing issues aside... |
| 00:50.11 | retro | trepan, for a moment I thought you were saying I was cool. :-) |
| 00:50.29 | trepan | dang, 7 minutes later... ;) |
| 00:50.38 | retro | well, I just got back to my desk... |
| 00:50.53 | retro | and now I'm leaving to go restore a PDP-1. |
| 00:50.59 | rkr | (^& |
| 00:51.19 | trepan | just let it go man, r.i.p. :) |
| 00:51.30 | retro | no way, Spacewar on the PDP-1 rocks. |
| 00:51.37 | retro | We've had it running for a while now. |
| 00:52.08 | retro | gotta go, cya. |
| 00:52.11 | brlcad | retro, have you heard of the computer history simulation project? |
| 00:52.21 | retro | which one? |
| 00:52.26 | spldart | Is spiral zone acting a little flaky for anyone else? |
| 00:52.36 | brlcad | http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ |
| 00:52.36 | rkr | Other than graphics settings, is there anything I can do to speed up bzflag? I'm poking at the options right now... |
| 00:52.52 | BenUrban | rkr: get a faster computer, of course |
| 00:52.52 | brlcad | retro: if you have pdp-1 software, they're looking for some |
| 00:52.58 | retro | I have friends who are good friends with the simh folks., so yeah, I've heard of them. :) |
| 00:53.00 | brlcad | http://simh.trailing-edge.com/future.html |
| 00:53.19 | rkr | My AMD64 3200 is usually fast enough. (^& |
| 00:53.19 | retro | we got lots of our software from the simh folks. We're in touch, and working with each other. |
| 00:53.36 | brlcad | good to know |
| 00:53.43 | retro | thanks for checking though. |
| 00:53.46 | brlcad | i'm looking to use them for our benchmark suite preservation |
| 00:53.50 | rkr | I don't expect to get a faster system anytime soon. |
| 00:54.07 | BenUrban | lol |
| 00:54.10 | rkr | There are no other options than display controls & resolution to affect that? |
| 00:54.11 | BenUrban | because your computer is too slow |
| 00:54.12 | retro | OK, gotta go. The Soroban console typewriter still needs work. |
| 00:55.48 | rkr | (^& |
| 00:56.09 | rkr | Sorry. The only way I will accelerate this guy is 32 feet per second per second. |
| 00:56.55 | DTRemenak | rkr, actually... |
| 00:57.23 | rkr | Yes? |
| 00:58.25 | DTRemenak | open ~/.bzf/2.0/config.cfg, and add a like that says "set useBitmapFontRenderer 1" |
| 00:58.33 | DTRemenak | a line even |
| 00:58.45 | DTRemenak | that should speed it up on a software-gl machine |
| 00:58.57 | brlcad | not a menu option yet still eh |
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| 00:59.25 | rkr | Yes, that is *much* better. |
| 00:59.35 | DTRemenak | coolio |
| 00:59.40 | rkr | The cursor for the menu is just a white square, though. |
| 00:59.57 | DTRemenak | eh, I probably broke it. it's not a commonly tested configuration :) |
| 01:00.14 | rkr | I wonder why not? (^& |
| 01:00.20 | DTRemenak | lemme send you a patch that will fix it :) |
| 01:01.21 | brlcad | dang, now i'm tempted to fire up simh and compile brl-cad on the pdp-11 again.. |
| 01:01.52 | rkr | Well, that's something. (^& I think I'm going to test it a bit, but it seems to be working. |
| 01:01.54 | rkr | Thanks. |
| 01:02.12 | uso_w | rkr: reducing color depth may help, also using the smaller textures from 1.10 gave me a few fps more |
| 01:02.32 | uso_w | gone :) |
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| 01:16.27 | GvzEvxre | brlcad: ooh. cross channel experience. I've been hanging in #classiccmp talking to simh folks. Seen my new hobby? restoring some old HP hardware. "My other computer is older than you." |
| 01:16.52 | GvzEvxre | http://rikers.org/gallery/hardware |
| 01:17.17 | wegstar | ... |
| 01:20.34 | brlcad | GvzEvxre: which HP ? |
| 01:21.09 | brlcad | ahh, never mind, I see :) |
| 01:21.42 | brlcad | tried running the 2100 in simh? |
| 01:22.07 | brlcad | or snarfing roms for some of the ones missing :) |
| 01:22.58 | GvzEvxre | brlcad: yep. did some patches already. I added ansi-blinkenlights to my local version. ;-) |
| 01:23.44 | GvzEvxre | I've got a 2116a, 2108a, 2112a and a 2100. all are already supported. |
| 01:24.11 | GvzEvxre | the 2116a is the one I've been working on. sold from 1967-1970 |
| 01:25.10 | brlcad | i worked on simh a couple years ago, nice codebase to poke around in |
| 01:25.36 | brlcad | made a bunch of patches for os x support + ethernet for the vax |
| 01:26.35 | TimRiker | sweet. |
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| 03:42.08 | jpa- | morning |
| 03:55.24 | DTRemenak | g'devening jpa |
| 04:19.41 | DTRemenak | C is for Cookie, that's good enough for me! |
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| 04:33.37 | Tegan | hi |
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| 05:09.02 | learner | hi Tegan |
| 05:09.23 | Tegan | hey learner |
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| 06:34.04 | brlcad | :P |
| 06:36.53 | DTRemenak | znhehe |
| 06:37.05 | DTRemenak | zn. hm |
| 06:37.49 | learner | heh |
| 06:37.58 | _Manu_ | learner, go to bed ;-p |
| 06:38.59 | learner | :) |
| 06:42.16 | purple_cow | it's just a bloody nickname, damnit! |
| 06:43.26 | learner | mmm.. bloody .. yum |
| 06:45.15 | learner | that's usually when it's about time to go partying/drinking/chasing girls |
| 06:45.37 | learner | er, cows |
| 06:45.37 | purple_cow | maybe after friday :P |
| 06:45.47 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 06:47.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: Replace state reset on font rendering because not having it breaks bitmap font rendering for some people. Need to fix this right sometime. |
| 06:48.25 | DTRemenak | end of semester...but, but, I haven't even taken midterms yet! :) |
| 06:48.48 | purple_cow | that's 'cuz you're in a silly time zone |
| 06:49.00 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 06:49.39 | purple_cow | every pacific-time school i've heard about does things really late |
| 06:49.47 | learner | they have to cut the semester short, lack of oxygen at high altitudes in the "mountain zone" |
| 06:50.41 | purple_cow | that must be it |
| 06:50.44 | DTRemenak | GMT -840:00 :) |
| 06:51.16 | DTRemenak | 840 hours. that sure doesn't seem like much, maybe I ought to start actually doing work |
| 06:53.11 | uso | don't worry, there are regions in the world which are probably 840k hours behind GMT ;) |
| 06:55.24 | uso | g'night |
| 06:55.43 | learner | the night is young |
| 06:56.09 | uso | but getting older fast ... |
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| 14:12.50 | Grumbler | morning all |
| 14:14.16 | menotume | mornin' |
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| 14:39.39 | jpa- | morning |
| 14:59.20 | ToughShooter | Hi jpa- :) |
| 14:59.28 | ruskie | lo |
| 14:59.37 | jpa- | :) |
| 15:00.18 | jpa- | ruskie: :) |
| 15:00.51 | ToughShooter | For what does "lo" stand? I guess there is a "l" missing... |
| 15:01.12 | ruskie | nope |
| 15:01.19 | ruskie | short for hello |
| 15:01.37 | ToughShooter | ~x en de lo |
| 15:01.54 | ToughShooter | ibot: ROTFL |
| 15:02.00 | ruskie | ? |
| 15:02.14 | ToughShooter | Translation is somewhat false... |
| 15:02.22 | jpa- | ~x de en niedrig |
| 15:02.33 | jpa- | :P |
| 15:02.34 | blast007 | :) |
| 15:02.39 | ruskie | and of course I can repond to all the ppl who xcome with HI!!! to me as in high with lo as in low :) |
| 15:03.17 | jpa- | lol :) |
| 15:03.29 | jpa- | ~x en de lol |
| 15:03.32 | ToughShooter | Please don't get me more confused than I'm already now |
| 15:03.43 | jpa- | hmph :/ |
| 15:03.56 | ToughShooter | ~x de en laut auslachend |
| 15:04.06 | ToughShooter | heh |
| 15:05.23 | ToughShooter | No wonder ibot can't translate, he/she/it is even not knowing the translation of german words into other direction |
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| 15:05.43 | jpa- | hi jeff |
| 15:06.01 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 15:13.15 | jpa- | ~x en en testing |
| 15:13.30 | jpa- | bahaha :) |
| 15:14.03 | blast007 | hmm...I think it's not working now ;) |
| 15:15.12 | jpa- | now this is strange.. i can't download anything from sf.net |
| 15:15.23 | jpa- | Connecting to kent.dl.sourceforge.net[212.219.56.167]:80... connected. |
| 15:15.23 | jpa- | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... |
| 15:15.28 | jpa- | tried many mirrors.. |
| 15:15.41 | blast007 | hmm |
| 15:15.57 | jpa- | hmm |
| 15:16.01 | jpa- | now it works |
| 15:16.12 | jpa- | for some mirrors.. |
| 15:16.32 | jpa- | 50KB/s from australia :) |
| 15:16.33 | blast007 | hmm, and so does ibot's translator again |
| 15:17.16 | jpa- | internet is breaking apart... |
| 15:17.28 | blast007 | hehe |
| 15:17.30 | jpa- | i thought it was supposed to happen 2006 |
| 15:18.04 | ToughShooter | No problem, DE-CIX exists |
| 15:22.16 | ToughShooter | Hmm, can ibot check for linear independence of vectors? |
| 15:22.46 | jpa- | i'm sure it would be a very useful feature :) |
| 15:23.31 | JeffM2501 | it can do what ever you code it to do |
| 15:24.40 | jpa- | can it play bzflag? :) |
| 15:24.49 | ToughShooter | ..interesting. I like python |
| 15:24.56 | jpa- | i do too :) |
| 15:25.05 | JeffM2501 | if you do python, then guu can do it |
| 15:25.11 | JeffM2501 | ibot is perl, guu is python |
| 15:25.16 | jpa- | evil |
| 15:25.21 | jpa- | i always liked ibot better |
| 15:25.29 | jpa- | ..opinions change |
| 15:25.33 | ToughShooter | I hate perl syntax |
| 15:25.45 | JeffM2501 | ibot is an older codebase but has many features |
| 15:25.55 | JeffM2501 | guu is a supybot and has a newercodebase |
| 15:26.00 | JeffM2501 | and just about the same feature set now |
| 15:26.45 | JeffM2501 | guu`, nick guu |
| 15:26.56 | JeffM2501 | thanks baby |
| 15:27.40 | jpa- | guu: i am your master |
| 15:27.41 | guu | But i is lookin for dog...do you know when he was here last or designing it for my new design, jpa-. |
| 15:28.02 | jpa- | ibot: i am your master |
| 15:28.04 | ibot | it is my pleasure to meet you, your master |
| 15:28.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah see ibot is a bit dumb |
| 15:28.41 | jpa- | JeffM2501: i am your master |
| 15:28.44 | ToughShooter | ibot: i am my master |
| 15:28.46 | ibot | it is my pleasure to meet you, my master |
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| 15:30.08 | jpa- | that JeffM2501 one can't even answer |
| 15:30.46 | JeffM2501 | cus it's a wicked cool bot |
| 15:30.49 | ToughShooter | Maybe there is an internal error |
| 15:30.53 | JeffM2501 | runs it's own dedicated system |
| 15:31.10 | JeffM2501 | and it's paying it's electric bill |
| 15:31.26 | jpa- | wow |
| 15:31.51 | jpa- | so it is useless, but costs nothing to keep it up? |
| 15:32.04 | JeffM2501 | it pays all the bills online |
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| 15:32.19 | JeffM2501 | tho I think it paid the gas bill twice |
| 15:33.37 | JeffM2501 | well a 24$ credit isn't horible |
| 15:35.58 | JeffM2501 | yay no spam banings today :) |
| 15:38.45 | ToughShooter | ~lart ToughShooter for doing a stupid mistake |
| 15:39.36 | ToughShooter | I found my lazyness fault |
| 15:40.21 | jpa- | pooor tux :/ |
| 15:45.00 | JeffM2501 | what did you do? |
| 15:46.04 | ToughShooter | I thought a five would be an eight |
| 15:46.11 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 15:46.35 | ToughShooter | Was unable to read my own noted stuff |
| 15:46.44 | JeffM2501 | I've done that before |
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| 17:15.58 | Death_Barrel | how would i make all the buildings on my map black ? |
| 17:16.06 | Death_Barrel | what is the option for building color ? |
| 17:16.08 | Death_Barrel | or code |
| 17:16.20 | JeffM2501 | material |
| 17:16.29 | JeffM2501 | read the bzw man page |
| 17:16.35 | Death_Barrel | yeah i am reading now |
| 17:16.38 | JeffM2501 | talks about all the things you can do in a map |
| 17:16.49 | JeffM2501 | you can make a meshbox and give it a black material |
| 17:16.53 | Death_Barrel | so if i add the material section it won't mess anything else on the map up? |
| 17:16.59 | JeffM2501 | or overide the default building materials and make them black |
| 17:17.08 | Death_Barrel | hmm |
| 17:17.09 | JeffM2501 | depends how you do it :) |
| 17:17.14 | JeffM2501 | you want ALL buildings to be black? |
| 17:17.15 | Death_Barrel | ok i try :) |
| 17:17.17 | JeffM2501 | or just some? |
| 17:17.19 | Death_Barrel | yeah all |
| 17:17.26 | JeffM2501 | then overide the building material |
| 17:17.31 | Death_Barrel | ok i try |
| 17:17.31 | spldart | Wouldn't want to try to play that map at night :eek: |
| 17:17.40 | spldart | ;-) |
| 17:17.40 | JeffM2501 | I think that's his point |
| 17:17.51 | Death_Barrel | my sky is red |
| 17:17.52 | JeffM2501 | overide it to have no texture and a color of black |
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| 17:18.02 | jpa- | http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/ |
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| 17:18.16 | Death_Barrel | can i keep the texture and just change it black ? |
| 17:18.22 | JeffM2501 | between that link, the man page, and the board that should be all you need |
| 17:18.25 | JeffM2501 | you can |
| 17:18.30 | JeffM2501 | but the texture won't show |
| 17:18.32 | JeffM2501 | it'll be totaly black |
| 17:18.44 | jpa- | hmm.. |
| 17:18.50 | JeffM2501 | black is black |
| 17:18.51 | Death_Barrel | ah |
| 17:18.54 | JeffM2501 | no light comes out |
| 17:18.56 | Death_Barrel | ok i give it a shot |
| 17:18.58 | jpa- | one can include texture, no? :) |
| 17:18.58 | Death_Barrel | thx buddy |
| 17:19.08 | JeffM2501 | include? |
| 17:19.10 | JeffM2501 | you can link to one |
| 17:19.16 | jpa- | in the material definition |
| 17:19.18 | JeffM2501 | but not put it in the map as an image |
| 17:19.19 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 17:19.29 | JeffM2501 | but the client would have to ahve the texture |
| 17:19.31 | JeffM2501 | or you link it |
| 17:19.36 | JeffM2501 | and linking only is for 2.0.2 |
| 17:19.46 | jpa- | well he means the default boxwall i think |
| 17:20.03 | jpa- | and wants to make it gray-ish |
| 17:20.22 | JeffM2501 | it'll allways have a redish tint since you'd be modulating |
| 17:20.29 | JeffM2501 | and there is red in the texture |
| 17:20.45 | jpa- | true.. |
| 17:20.48 | JeffM2501 | best would be to make a new texture, link it, and host it on images.bzflag.org |
| 17:21.10 | jpa- | while, is the diffuse done by multiplying RGB or by addition? |
| 17:21.24 | JeffM2501 | it's GL |
| 17:21.30 | JeffM2501 | don't remember what it does |
| 17:21.36 | JeffM2501 | it may mult in |
| 17:21.45 | JeffM2501 | I think trepan keeps it all in modulate mode |
| 17:21.47 | JeffM2501 | not decall |
| 17:24.57 | jpa- | i think multiply.. it is white if there is no diffuse.. |
| 17:25.20 | jpa- | but hmm.. true, it would be difficult to get it gray with diffuse |
| 17:26.54 | uso_w | is the day/night change in the game meant to simulate real sunrise/sunset? |
| 17:27.04 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 17:27.04 | jpa- | i think so |
| 17:27.12 | jpa- | there is latitude/longitude settings, too |
| 17:27.16 | JeffM2501 | if you put in your long/lat it should be accurate |
| 17:27.24 | uso_w | even with seasion sumulation? |
| 17:27.24 | JeffM2501 | same for the moon |
| 17:27.25 | ruskie | yeah I have it alliased |
| 17:27.33 | ruskie | but doesn't really show it properly for me... |
| 17:27.41 | uso_w | is too late by an hour or so for me |
| 17:27.51 | ruskie | ingame it was still light and sun and outside it was pitch dark |
| 17:27.53 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't have like a "winter" sky or anything |
| 17:28.14 | JeffM2501 | but it will put the sun and moon in the right pos at the current time, for your spot in the world |
| 17:28.18 | uso_w | so it's like 12h/12h change? |
| 17:28.32 | ruskie | hmmm prolly geography that confused it... |
| 17:28.33 | JeffM2501 | it computes sunrise and sunset |
| 17:28.39 | JeffM2501 | based on long/lat |
| 17:28.42 | JeffM2501 | and time |
| 17:28.53 | uso_w | hmm, then there's something worng |
| 17:28.53 | JeffM2501 | so it shoudl match your locals |
| 17:29.03 | JeffM2501 | well it's not dead accurate :) |
| 17:29.03 | uso_w | *wrong |
| 17:29.07 | jpa- | have you set lat/long? |
| 17:29.10 | ruskie | for me it's off all the time |
| 17:29.10 | JeffM2501 | it's just an attempt |
| 17:29.19 | uso_w | i have, from gps |
| 17:29.20 | JeffM2501 | did you set your spot on the globe |
| 17:29.25 | jpa- | and it needs synclocation and synctime if you do it at the server |
| 17:29.25 | ruskie | yup |
| 17:29.27 | JeffM2501 | and is your timezone right? |
| 17:29.34 | ruskie | yup |
| 17:29.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah the server can make you sync to it's time |
| 17:29.38 | JeffM2501 | not yours |
| 17:29.50 | uso_w | mine too :) |
| 17:29.53 | JeffM2501 | so you may be seeing the sky as the server time sees it |
| 17:30.09 | ruskie | hmmm though maybe my coords might be off as well... |
| 17:30.29 | Death_Barrel | hmm still don't get it |
| 17:30.29 | JeffM2501 | it's old old code |
| 17:30.40 | jpa- | or maybe lat/long is the wrong way around :P |
| 17:30.40 | ruskie | alias bzflag='bzflag -latitude 46.5 -longitude 13.5' <-- tghough iirc this should put the coords somewhere in the middle of ljubljana |
| 17:30.52 | ruskie | where I'm from :) |
| 17:31.02 | JeffM2501 | just set it in the config |
| 17:31.09 | ruskie | where in config? |
| 17:31.17 | JeffM2501 | on the long and lat lines :) |
| 17:31.43 | ruskie | both set properly |
| 17:31.49 | ruskie | seems it grabs them |
| 17:31.55 | JeffM2501 | run a local server then |
| 17:31.58 | uso_w | do i need to set timezone also in bzflag config? |
| 17:31.59 | JeffM2501 | see how close it is |
| 17:32.15 | JeffM2501 | it asumes that the time it gets from the OS is in your local timezone |
| 17:32.56 | JeffM2501 | it just takes that time and does the calcs based on position |
| 17:33.03 | JeffM2501 | daylight savings may screw it up |
| 17:33.16 | uso_w | just would ask this :) |
| 17:33.32 | JeffM2501 | it's not meant to be 100% accurate |
| 17:33.34 | Death_Barrel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.46 | JeffM2501 | that would make it white |
| 17:33.46 | uso_w | as it seems to be off by an hour this would be likely |
| 17:33.51 | ruskie | well the local server is up and runing |
| 17:33.58 | ruskie | and the sun is still hihg in the sky... |
| 17:34.03 | Death_Barrel | 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.1 <<< black ? |
| 17:34.08 | JeffM2501 | 0 0 0 1 |
| 17:34.14 | ruskie | while here it's setting |
| 17:34.14 | JeffM2501 | the last one is transperancy |
| 17:34.14 | Death_Barrel | ah ok i try |
| 17:34.23 | JeffM2501 | Red Green Blue Alpha |
| 17:34.31 | Death_Barrel | ok thx |
| 17:34.33 | JeffM2501 | 0 = no light in that channel |
| 17:34.37 | jpa- | Death_Barrel: see the link i pasted.. it explains that stuff |
| 17:34.39 | JeffM2501 | 1 = full light in that channel |
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| 17:34.55 | JeffM2501 | 50% gray would be 0.5 0.5 0.5 1 |
| 17:35.18 | uso_w | what's the timedate setting in bzflag config for? |
| 17:35.46 | jpa- | if you want it to be day always? |
| 17:35.48 | Death_Barrel | yeah i am reading |
| 17:35.54 | jpa- | it is more difficult to play at night :P |
| 17:36.07 | Death_Barrel | i see colors better when it is dark |
| 17:36.30 | uso_w | ah, so for freezing the time? |
| 17:36.52 | JeffM2501 | I think that just sets the inital time |
| 17:37.50 | uso_w | hehe, so i can set it to 8 am and know if it's going dark i have to stop playing :) |
| 17:38.25 | trepan | timedate is for Lan's little [toggling] indicator in the corner, iirc |
| 17:38.33 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:38.40 | trepan | fixedTime sets your client time |
| 17:39.05 | Death_Barrel | color 0 0 0 1 << i added this and nothing changed |
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| 17:39.25 | trepan | added it where? |
| 17:39.30 | ToughShooter | Hi SportChick |
| 17:39.35 | uso_w | have just seen it, 0=time, 1=date, 2 is probably both |
| 17:39.36 | Death_Barrel | under materials |
| 17:39.42 | JeffM2501 | under what material? |
| 17:39.45 | jpa- | Death_Barrel: uh.. you got the examples in the howto working? try them first and modify then |
| 17:39.46 | trepan | p.s. always use "bzfs -ddd" when testing maps |
| 17:39.49 | JeffM2501 | you can't just add a line |
| 17:39.55 | Death_Barrel | material |
| 17:39.55 | Death_Barrel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.55 | Death_Barrel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.55 | Death_Barrel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.55 | Death_Barrel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.56 | Death_Barrel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.58 | Death_Barrel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.00 | Death_Barrel | oops wrong window |
| 17:40.10 | Death_Barrel | syrr |
| 17:40.11 | JeffM2501 | don't do the dyncolor |
| 17:40.16 | JeffM2501 | if your doing a fixed color |
| 17:40.18 | JeffM2501 | and that's just for links |
| 17:40.20 | trepan | ouch, you're modify the teleporter link faces |
| 17:40.20 | Death_Barrel | delete that line? |
| 17:40.21 | JeffM2501 | not buildings |
| 17:40.23 | jpa- | that would be for teleport inside.. and dyncol kinda overrides it |
| 17:40.28 | SportChick | hi ts |
| 17:40.29 | JeffM2501 | READ THE MANUAL |
| 17:40.33 | JeffM2501 | don't just hack it |
| 17:40.40 | jpa- | JeffM2501: hahah :) |
| 17:40.41 | JeffM2501 | make a new material |
| 17:40.52 | JeffM2501 | give it your color and your texture |
| 17:41.39 | Tupone | hi SportChick |
| 17:41.40 | JeffM2501 | then ether make an object use that color |
| 17:41.45 | jpa- | hi SportChick |
| 17:41.46 | JeffM2501 | or make it the default |
| 17:42.02 | Death_Barrel | i want it to be default |
| 17:42.07 | jpa- | JeffM2501: how would one make it default? |
| 17:42.18 | JeffM2501 | trepan, what is the name of the default box material? |
| 17:42.23 | jpa- | other stuff he should find in the tutos&manual |
| 17:42.29 | JeffM2501 | BoxMaterial? |
| 17:42.30 | trepan | there isn't one |
| 17:42.34 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:42.38 | jpa- | i think it could be done with grouping.. |
| 17:42.40 | trepan | 'box' objects aren't meshes |
| 17:42.46 | SportChick | hi jpa and tupone |
| 17:42.50 | jpa- | what about meshbox? |
| 17:42.50 | JeffM2501 | Death_Barrel, then make your objects into meshboxes |
| 17:43.00 | Death_Barrel | o.O |
| 17:43.05 | trepan | meshbox uses more then one material |
| 17:43.14 | spldart | LOL @ the timing of this convo and my replacing my problematic meshbox floor with a mesh hehe |
| 17:43.16 | trepan | top/bot and side textures |
| 17:43.19 | Death_Barrel | this is over my head :) |
| 17:43.20 | Death_Barrel | lol |
| 17:43.21 | jpa- | JeffM2501: that is necessary for materials anyway |
| 17:43.44 | trepan | Death_Barrel: it's quite simple in your case |
| 17:43.49 | jpa- | Death_Barrel: then don't do it :P |
| 17:43.50 | JeffM2501 | Death_Barrel, it wouldn't be if you'd read the manuals and stuff |
| 17:43.54 | trepan | change the word 'box' to 'meshbox' |
| 17:43.59 | Death_Barrel | i am reading the manuals |
| 17:44.13 | JeffM2501 | your trying to change stuff before you have FINISHED reading the manuls |
| 17:44.21 | trepan | add a line 'color 0.5 0.5 0.5', inside of the meshbox definitions, and it will darken |
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| 17:44.41 | Death_Barrel | the manuals explain more on what this stuff does |
| 17:44.48 | Death_Barrel | less on putting it together |
| 17:44.56 | jpa- | what about that howto? |
| 17:45.17 | Death_Barrel | reading.... |
| 17:45.34 | jpa- | so read and ask when finished and still not working :) |
| 17:45.51 | Death_Barrel | i am , it said texturing, and i need materials |
| 17:45.54 | Death_Barrel | so i didn't get to it yet |
| 17:46.38 | Death_Barrel | if i make meshboxes how do i keep the world random ? |
| 17:47.20 | jpa- | eww |
| 17:47.24 | jpa- | i think you can not. |
| 17:47.49 | Death_Barrel | darn |
| 17:47.54 | Death_Barrel | thats what i wanted |
| 17:48.09 | Death_Barrel | which is why i am having such a hard time :) |
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| 17:48.41 | jpa- | two ways would come into my mind: a) modify bzfs source (should be easy unless in windows without a compiler) b) use bzmap (should be easy unless in windows or without programming skills) |
| 17:48.42 | trepan | Death_Barrel: can't be done, unless you script your random worlds |
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| 17:50.52 | uso_w | JeffM2501: if i see these numbers sky calculation is at least meant to be nearby 100% accurate :) |
| 17:50.54 | uso_w | siderealHoursPerHour = 1.002737908; |
| 17:51.00 | uso_w | fmod((0.00002581 * T + 2400.051262) * T + 6.6460656, 24.0); |
| 17:51.48 | Death_Barrel | trepan, hehe i need to read my books, i procrastinate way too much about learning to code |
| 17:52.56 | jpa- | one could save world from bzflag and change it to black.. and then just run static "random" map |
| 17:56.03 | ToughShooter | !say ~weather EDDF |
| 17:56.03 | guu | ToughShooter: I'm sorry, I was listening to AirSupply. |
| 18:04.02 | jpa- | ~seen sgk284 |
| 18:04.17 | ibot | sgk284 <~stevek@AC968861.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5d 14h 7m 43s ago, saying: 'morning jpa'. |
| 18:04.53 | jpa- | ibot: please get him here now |
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| 19:21.34 | Grumbler | i see no one has told TimRiker of the shadows in the AccessControlList |
| 19:23.48 | Tupone | Chestal did |
| 19:25.51 | Grumbler | ah, so the paranoia didnt generate a correction |
| 19:26.47 | Tupone | I don't like that Wshadow. HOowever you get only on some old header. I fixed all here |
| 19:27.12 | Tupone | old header or old compiler, dunno |
| 19:28.39 | Grumbler | header must not be checked in yet.....not a big deal, just an fyi |
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| 19:36.30 | Tupone | I meant system headers |
| 19:37.03 | Tupone | whatever worked for me is in cvs |
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| 20:29.56 | Tupone | JeffM2501: were you able to compile? and to run it ? |
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| 20:55.26 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I made a small change per DTRemenak's sugestion and it's cool |
| 20:55.39 | Tupone | but it works? |
| 20:55.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:55.50 | JeffM2501 | seems to |
| 20:55.56 | JeffM2501 | I didn't do extensive tests |
| 20:56.00 | JeffM2501 | but it built |
| 20:56.03 | JeffM2501 | and seemed to run |
| 20:56.10 | Tupone | and get the motd? |
| 20:56.15 | JeffM2501 | didn't notice |
| 20:56.25 | Tupone | listserver? |
| 20:56.40 | JeffM2501 | think so |
| 20:56.48 | JeffM2501 | it was earlyer this week |
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| 20:57.38 | Tupone | ok, I hope in most complete answer from DTRemenak, or later from you. Before continuing fix texture download I like to see this working |
| 21:02.08 | JeffM2501 | let me sneak in a build here |
| 21:02.18 | Tupone | :) |
| 21:04.09 | JeffM2501 | modtd and list server don't return anything |
| 21:04.30 | JeffM2501 | "can't talk with list server" |
| 21:04.44 | Tupone | hehe, ok. Like DTRemenak |
| 21:04.55 | Tupone | I make a change |
| 21:04.55 | blast007 | (mine does that too) :) |
| 21:04.59 | JeffM2501 | the term I would use is "NFG" |
| 21:05.14 | Tupone | NFG ? |
| 21:06.55 | JeffM2501 | First word is NO |
| 21:06.59 | JeffM2501 | last word is GOOD |
| 21:07.05 | Tupone | ah yeah |
| 21:07.07 | JeffM2501 | I'll leave you to figure out the F part :) |
| 21:07.38 | JeffM2501 | it's a term we have in our bug forms here at work :) |
| 21:07.55 | Tupone | I think is related to winsock initialization :/ |
| 21:08.22 | JeffM2501 | in my own stuff I had issues with curl and winsock initalising themselves |
| 21:08.50 | JeffM2501 | ended up making winsock init in my code smart |
| 21:09.02 | JeffM2501 | woudl only init if it wasn't inited allready |
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| 21:09.20 | Tupone | I had removed winsock init from curl, but could be curl use socket function before winsock init. I dunno how is bad |
| 21:09.50 | JeffM2501 | curl is a nice lib, I'd just like a bit more controll over what it does |
| 21:10.04 | JeffM2501 | so it work into an existing network system |
| 21:10.35 | Tupone | what I think is the cause, is that curl init now start even before the main :/ |
| 21:11.19 | JeffM2501 | you initing curl in a constructor for a global? |
| 21:11.27 | Tupone | yeah :( |
| 21:11.36 | JeffM2501 | that would do it |
| 21:11.40 | JeffM2501 | move it to an "init" function |
| 21:11.45 | JeffM2501 | or just check when you first use it |
| 21:11.47 | Tupone | there is a global, I'm going to make a pointer |
| 21:11.49 | JeffM2501 | and init when you have to |
| 21:11.58 | JeffM2501 | smart init |
| 21:12.08 | Tupone | yeah that too, could be init in the main |
| 21:12.17 | JeffM2501 | would be the simplest |
| 21:12.51 | Tupone | I dunno if I can :( I call a curl_easy_init in the constructor so I cannot |
| 21:13.00 | Tupone | I should remove the global |
| 21:13.26 | JeffM2501 | make a new function called init |
| 21:13.30 | JeffM2501 | move the init to the constructor |
| 21:13.33 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 21:13.40 | JeffM2501 | from the constructor to the new init |
| 21:13.52 | JeffM2501 | then just bail if a URL is called before your inited |
| 21:13.54 | JeffM2501 | simple |
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| 21:27.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Use dynamic creation to delay curl init after startup |
| 21:27.44 | Tupone | I hope is that |
| 21:27.48 | Tupone | :| |
| 21:30.23 | JeffM2501 | I'll give it a shot in an hour or so |
| 21:30.59 | Tupone | ok, I'll continue to check if I call in some other place |
| 21:31.10 | Tupone | I'll go with my freind gdb |
| 21:32.54 | Tupone | I get another one :) motd, first was World Downloading |
| 21:33.28 | Tupone | so I understand why DTRemenak test with the 3 days ago version did not work :) |
| 21:40.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: delaying first curl init after startup, using new |
| 21:41.15 | Tupone | If that was the problem, should be fixed. If not, well ... I dunno |
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| 22:11.05 | TimRiker | Tupone: the AC_HELP_STRING lines and the conditional that follow it don't work on old autoconf's in src/c-ares/configure.ac |
| 22:12.48 | Tupone | I don't know if we need c-ares in the tree or not. That configure.ac is not our. What is the minimal version we want to support as autoconf/automake tools? |
| 22:13.50 | TimRiker | when does the c-ares version in the tree get used? |
| 22:14.20 | Tupone | we just use the library, so if we can expect that every OS has, we don't need |
| 22:14.40 | Tupone | NOw the link is hard , no check if available |
| 22:14.57 | Tupone | is used in both bzflag and bzfs |
| 22:16.23 | TimRiker | ccache c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../include -I../../include -Wall -W -mcpu=i686 -Werror -g -O2 -DBZ_BUILD_DATE=20050427 -O0 -Wno-deprecated -fsigned-char -c cURLManager.cxx |
| 22:16.23 | TimRiker | In file included from cURLManager.cxx:14: |
| 22:16.23 | TimRiker | ../../include/cURLManager.h:69: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `CURLM' |
| 22:16.23 | TimRiker | with no type |
| 22:16.24 | TimRiker | ../../include/cURLManager.h:69: parse error before `*' |
| 22:16.25 | Tupone | The same things is for libcurl. We need a version that uses c-ares, and normally is not available |
| 22:16.28 | TimRiker | c |
| 22:16.51 | TimRiker | I'm testing on a rh 7.3 box |
| 22:16.55 | Tupone | you have an old version of libcurl |
| 22:17.26 | TimRiker | curl-devel-7.9.5-2 - yep. |
| 22:17.38 | Tupone | IIRC you asked for a version that does not hang-up |
| 22:17.48 | Tupone | so that have a multi interface |
| 22:18.11 | TimRiker | and 7.9.5 does not have that, yes? |
| 22:18.15 | Tupone | last time I rollback is because of debian stable |
| 22:18.23 | Tupone | I guess not |
| 22:18.34 | TimRiker | I'll try upgrading curl on the old box sometime. |
| 22:18.41 | Tupone | CURLM is the multi handler |
| 22:18.48 | TimRiker | built fine on my debian unstable boxen. |
| 22:18.59 | Tupone | so I guess it does not have |
| 22:19.45 | Tupone | TimRiker: to have a real non blocking access to url, you need libcurl c-ares enabled |
| 22:19.58 | Tupone | so I guess you have to build your-self :( |
| 22:20.27 | Tupone | without that we cannot guarantee it does not block, even if I'm sure it works |
| 22:21.16 | Tupone | dunno why it is not the default. Only things that c-ares does not support now, but they are working for, is IPV6 |
| 22:21.34 | Tupone | c-ares is in the curl tree |
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| 22:28.53 | Pimpinella | grumble |
| 22:35.11 | Bagheera | fudge |
| 22:44.35 | blast007 | is the "only public servers get global login" thing a limitation of bzfs, or of the list server? |
| 22:47.13 | JeffM2501 | both |
| 22:47.26 | JeffM2501 | the list server does global logins |
| 22:47.45 | JeffM2501 | so servers that don't list themselves never contact the list server for logins |
| 22:48.25 | blast007 | to fix that, would both have to be changed? or just bzfs? |
| 22:48.42 | JeffM2501 | IIRC Tim has a plan to make it so that the list server will do tokens for non listed servers, and bzfs will be able to know to do logins with out listing. |
| 22:48.53 | blast007 | ah, ok |
| 22:48.54 | JeffM2501 | each would need some change |
| 22:49.06 | JeffM2501 | He had mentioned it before |
| 22:49.11 | JeffM2501 | not sure what's been done so far |
| 22:51.42 | blast007 | just sorta annoying having players join when I'm testing some code...yet I like having global login :) |
| 22:51.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:51.57 | JeffM2501 | there are many reasons for it, it's just not set up yet |
| 22:52.04 | blast007 | yup |
| 22:52.30 | TimRiker | blast007: there is support on the list server for just verifying a token. the client would need to know to ask for one before contacting the private server. |
| 22:52.51 | blast007 | ok |
| 22:53.19 | TimRiker | blast007: note that you can currently restrict "spawn" permission to a smaller set of users. so others could observe, but not spawn. |
| 22:53.35 | blast007 | ah, forgot about that..thx :) |
| 22:53.51 | TimRiker | something like "testing..." in the server description might be nice too. ;-) |
| 22:54.02 | blast007 | yeah, have that already |
| 22:54.08 | TimRiker | =) |
| 22:54.16 | blast007 | even said "this is not for playing" ;) |
| 22:54.49 | JeffM2501 | blast007 change the proto a tad :) |
| 22:54.51 | TimRiker | so moving spawn permissions to a group or set of users would be a Good Thing. ;-) |
| 22:54.56 | JeffM2501 | then noone else will see it |
| 22:55.07 | JeffM2501 | unless they have your client too |
| 22:55.40 | blast007 | problem with that would be recompiling the code...server is running on a Pentium 133 |
| 22:55.54 | JeffM2501 | well that I can't help you with |
| 22:55.56 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:56.00 | JeffM2501 | but it would be a very small build |
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| 23:28.55 | learner | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4486247.stm |
| 23:30.13 | blast007 | heh, strange |
| 23:33.42 | learner | could be a new useful way to deal with pesky neighbors |
| 23:34.04 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:51.47 | blast007 | is there something special I have to do to remove the spawn permission? |
| 23:52.24 | blast007 | I was thinking I just had to define the EVERYONE and VERIFIED groups, and leave out 'SPAWN' |
| 23:52.55 | blast007 | yet it still allows an unregistered tank to spawn |
| 23:53.06 | JeffM2501 | add the spawn to registered |
| 23:53.18 | JeffM2501 | or to your cops group |
| 23:53.22 | JeffM2501 | some group has to have spawn |
| 23:55.41 | blast007 | still letting me spawn |
| 23:55.50 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 23:56.37 | blast007 | http://blast.game-host.org:84/bzfs/DBgroup.txt |
| 23:57.38 | JeffM2501 | using current code? |
| 23:57.47 | blast007 | fairly recent |
| 23:57.55 | JeffM2501 | later ten 2.0.2? |
| 23:58.00 | JeffM2501 | cus 2.0.0 didn't have it |
| 23:58.11 | blast007 | 2.0.3.20050323-DEVEL-linux-gnu |
| 23:58.18 | JeffM2501 | one woudl think that would work |
| 23:59.29 | blast007 | suppose I could CVS update and try compiling a new one |