| 00:02.55 | JeffM2501 | hmmm, may have to get 2 DSL lines when I move |
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| 01:39.04 | supermatthew | can someone help |
| 01:40.04 | supermatthew | when i login to my server, i press the reset buttion but it does nothing so i can't play |
| 01:40.23 | supermatthew | the buttion you press when you die |
| 01:42.28 | trepan | must be a borked button |
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| 06:18.34 | jpa- | morning |
| 06:55.51 | spldart | g'night jpa- ;) |
| 06:57.00 | jpa- | spldart <3 |
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| 10:04.57 | spazool | ~bzfquery 172.16.30.70:5125 |
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| 11:47.54 | CBG | I have a problem with the modeltool convertor thingy: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=34693#34693 |
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| 12:05.15 | ToughShooter | CGB: This is a win32 binary. You need to compile source by yourself |
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| 12:58.24 | Ice_Wewe | hey Jeff |
| 12:58.29 | Ice_Wewe | darn |
| 12:58.33 | Ice_Wewe | hey BZBB admin |
| 12:58.45 | Ice_Wewe | i request the service of a BZBB admin at this time |
| 12:59.42 | Ice_Wewe | man, I bet a fly does more than the people in this room are doing now |
| 13:00.09 | Ice_Wewe | hello? need a little help here? |
| 13:01.05 | Ice_Wewe | great |
| 13:01.33 | Ice_Wewe | yo, when ever you wake up in here |
| 13:01.39 | Ice_Wewe | Yugi needs some help |
| 13:01.55 | Ice_Wewe | just delete his profile/registration cause its not working for him |
| 13:02.02 | Ice_Wewe | and he wants to reregister |
| 13:02.06 | Ice_Wewe | thanks for the help (not) |
| 13:04.54 | ruskie | so what's the problem then? |
| 13:04.57 | ruskie | simple reregister |
| 13:05.02 | ruskie | -e+y |
| 13:06.27 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 13:06.33 | Ice_Wewe | how do you reregister? |
| 13:06.46 | ruskie | you go an click register |
| 13:06.52 | Ice_Wewe | yes |
| 13:07.10 | Ice_Wewe | what if your already registered |
| 13:07.31 | ToughShooter | Yugi? Awww |
| 13:07.34 | trepan | he can just change his user name in his profile if that's what he wants |
| 13:07.38 | ruskie | then you need to deregister first ehh dont you? |
| 13:07.43 | Ice_Wewe | yes |
| 13:07.46 | ToughShooter | I suggest not to help Yugi |
| 13:07.53 | Ice_Wewe | why? |
| 13:07.53 | ruskie | ToughShooter, why not? |
| 13:07.59 | trepan | iirc, yugi is a repeat offender at hepcat |
| 13:08.08 | ToughShooter | At all servers |
| 13:08.08 | Ice_Wewe | as in? |
| 13:08.13 | Ice_Wewe | he spams? |
| 13:08.17 | trepan | banned a number of times, and then followed up with a barrage of pleading emails |
| 13:08.19 | Ice_Wewe | he swears? |
| 13:08.22 | ruskie | rgr... /me initiates a /dev/null storage area |
| 13:08.28 | ToughShooter | Team killing, swearing, abusing other players etc |
| 13:08.33 | Ice_Wewe | oh |
| 13:08.35 | Ice_Wewe | hmm |
| 13:08.47 | trepan | friend of yours? |
| 13:08.58 | Ice_Wewe | no |
| 13:09.03 | Ice_Wewe | he jsut asked me to help him |
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| 13:09.28 | Ice_Wewe | hmmm |
| 13:09.31 | Ice_Wewe | well then nvm |
| 13:09.37 | Ice_Wewe | thanks anyway though |
| 13:09.46 | Ice_Wewe | I think I got half of you out of bed too |
| 13:09.53 | Ice_Wewe | eheh |
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| 13:11.08 | ruskie | lol |
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| 13:28.57 | ToughShooter | ~x en de rough |
| 13:29.07 | CBG | wow. |
| 13:29.21 | CBG | ~x en fr hello |
| 13:29.28 | CBG | coool! |
| 13:30.06 | CBG | ~x en fr "Hi, I am the best player on BZFlag. How do you do?" |
| 13:30.50 | cods | :) |
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| 13:31.57 | CBG | ~x en jp "Hi, Cods. Long time no see. How's the server?" |
| 13:32.35 | blast007 | wow, that actually looks like Japanese on here :) |
| 13:32.46 | ruskie | nice |
| 13:32.50 | ruskie | my utf8 works as well |
| 13:33.54 | cods | not here unfortunately (even if using utf8 irssi and uxterm) :/ |
| 13:34.24 | cods | what're you using as irc client ? |
| 13:34.29 | ruskie | irssi |
| 13:34.31 | ruskie | urxvt |
| 13:34.34 | blast007 | X-Chat for me |
| 13:34.37 | ruskie | screen with urf8 mode on |
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| 13:34.53 | CBG | back. |
| 13:35.00 | cods | I'm running screen with utf8 too.. Trying with urxvt. |
| 13:35.14 | CBG | ~x en de "What did I miss?" |
| 13:35.57 | cods | working better with urxvt.. |
| 13:35.58 | ToughShooter | ibot: ROTFL |
| 13:36.31 | ToughShooter | German translation is always so horrible |
| 13:36.39 | CBG | Really? I wouldn't know. |
| 13:36.40 | blast007 | :) |
| 13:36.47 | CBG | I'm not a langauages person. |
| 13:37.01 | CBG | I'll be getting a C in English for my GCSE. rofl. |
| 13:37.06 | blast007 | ~x de en was ich, vermissen Sie? |
| 13:37.13 | blast007 | heh |
| 13:37.15 | CBG | Haha! LMAO |
| 13:37.16 | cods | :) |
| 13:37.36 | CBG | ~x en de I like to suck boiled eggs. |
| 13:37.39 | ToughShooter | Reverse is bad, too (but not that much) |
| 13:37.50 | CBG | ~x de en ich mag gekochte Eier saugen. |
| 13:37.54 | ToughShooter | Sie -> you; Du -> you |
| 13:38.01 | CBG | Lol. :D |
| 13:38.11 | ToughShooter | but Sie -> her, too |
| 13:38.17 | blast007 | ah |
| 13:38.19 | CBG | ll |
| 13:38.22 | CBG | lol* |
| 13:38.48 | CBG | :D |
| 13:40.39 | CBG | brb |
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| 13:41.53 | CBG | TimRiker very kindly put purl in my channel to record a log... |
| 13:41.58 | CBG | how do I read the logs? |
| 13:42.15 | blast007 | ~logs |
| 13:42.16 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 13:42.37 | blast007 | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ |
| 13:42.47 | CBG | Oh. ok. thanks |
| 13:43.12 | CBG | Cheers!! |
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| 14:07.09 | ToughShooter | ~~ |
| 14:07.34 | ToughShooter | Hmm, man man is better |
| 14:08.07 | CBG | TouchShooter: Your maps great! :) |
| 14:08.18 | CBG | *ToughShooter ... :( |
| 14:22.41 | CBG | ~x en ja Japanese Test |
| 14:22.48 | CBG | Woot! |
| 14:23.32 | CBG | ~x en ja If Mikk is a god, is Birdie an angel?! |
| 14:23.59 | CBG | ~x en ja "If Mikk is a god, is Birdie an angel?!" |
| 14:25.04 | CBG | ~x ja en "mikk が神なら、天使ある小鳥はか。!" |
| 14:25.20 | CBG | ROFLMAO! |
| 14:26.27 | CBG | ~x en fr "This is an example sentence to test the iBot's language skills." |
| 14:26.45 | CBG | ~x fr de "c'est une phrase d'exemple pour examiner les capacités linguistiques des ibot." |
| 14:27.01 | CBG | ~x de ja es ist ein Beispielsatz, um die linguistischen Kapazitäten der ibot zu untersuchen." |
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| 14:27.21 | CBG | ~x de ja "es ist ein Beispielsatz, um die linguistischen Kapazitäten der ibot zu untersuchen." |
| 14:27.44 | CBG | ~x de sp "es ist ein Beispielsatz, um die linguistischen Kapazitäten der ibot zu untersuchen." |
| 14:27.53 | CBG | ~z de en "es ist ein Beispielsatz, um die linguistischen Kapazitäten der ibot zu untersuchen." |
| 14:28.13 | CBG | ~x de en "es ist ein Beispielsatz, um die linguistischen Kapazitäten der ibot zu untersuchen." |
| 14:28.41 | CBG | ~en fr "it is an example sentence to examine around the linguistic capacities ibot." |
| 14:28.43 | ibot | okay, CBG |
| 14:29.04 | CBG | ~x en fr "it is an example sentence to examine around the linguistic capacities ibot." |
| 14:29.19 | CBG | ~x fr de "c'est une phrase d'exemple à examiner autour de l'ibot linguistique de capacités." |
| 14:29.35 | CBG | ~x de en "es ist ein um das ibot Kapazitätslinguistik zu untersuchender Beispielsatz." |
| 14:29.49 | CBG | ROFLMAO!!! |
| 14:35.48 | CBG | ~x de en guten tag |
| 14:36.06 | CBG | ~x en de The same to you. ;) |
| 14:36.53 | CBG | ~x de en dieselben zu Ihnen;) |
| 14:37.02 | CBG | eh. close. :) |
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| 14:38.27 | xCRex | hi |
| 14:39.07 | CBG | hiya |
| 14:39.16 | xCRex | sup |
| 14:39.24 | CBG | nm. you? |
| 14:39.35 | xCRex | noting |
| 14:40.49 | xCRex | u know any good bzflag servers |
| 14:41.27 | CBG | Mine is awesome.. ;) |
| 14:41.35 | CBG | But it lags like heck and is not up right now. |
| 14:41.51 | CBG | I suggest you try bzflag0.gamesunited.de:5154 |
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| 15:10.22 | CBG | Hi JeffM2501. :) |
| 15:11.41 | CBG | Anyone here have any experience with Blender3D? |
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| 15:31.48 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 15:31.56 | JeffM2501 | many do |
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| 16:01.04 | CBG | Blender3D will let me export as 2 different types of OBJ...? |
| 16:01.20 | JeffM2501 | how are the 2 described? |
| 16:01.20 | CBG | Which do I do? So I want a "WaveFront OBJ" ? |
| 16:01.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah wavefront |
| 16:01.45 | CBG | Ok.Thanks. :D Your a star jeff! |
| 16:02.08 | JeffM2501 | what is the other choice |
| 16:02.33 | CBG | I can't tell you because I tried to export my mesha nd now it seems to be frozen |
| 16:02.52 | CBG | But I'll give it a few mins to try to export before I force quit. :) |
| 16:03.08 | JeffM2501 | how many faces are in your meshes? |
| 16:03.17 | CBG | Uh... Loads I guess... |
| 16:03.42 | CBG | It's a whole load of (ico (sp))Spheres... |
| 16:03.59 | JeffM2501 | how many in each sphere? |
| 16:04.05 | JeffM2501 | what detail level did you make them at? |
| 16:04.22 | CBG | 4 subdivisions |
| 16:04.35 | CBG | Its done now. |
| 16:04.42 | JeffM2501 | that's going to be a lot of faces |
| 16:04.55 | JeffM2501 | how big is the obj file? |
| 16:04.58 | CBG | The other obj is: VideoScape with vertex colours. |
| 16:04.59 | CBG | Ill see. |
| 16:05.23 | CBG | 5MB :D !! |
| 16:05.28 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah |
| 16:05.36 | JeffM2501 | that's going to be too many to run in a map |
| 16:05.44 | JeffM2501 | it's going to run slow |
| 16:05.48 | JeffM2501 | very very very very slow |
| 16:05.52 | CBG | And Its only a small thing you'r suppossed to hide behind |
| 16:06.02 | CBG | I was gonna have about 8/12 in my map. :D rofl |
| 16:06.07 | JeffM2501 | size maters not |
| 16:06.10 | JeffM2501 | it's polygon count |
| 16:06.14 | JeffM2501 | lower the face count |
| 16:06.20 | CBG | my point was, its not one big hill... |
| 16:06.33 | JeffM2501 | it dosnt' mater how "big" it is on the map is my point |
| 16:06.41 | JeffM2501 | that's gotta have hundreds of thouseands of faces |
| 16:06.41 | CBG | Its a small thing I would have had 8/12 of in my map. |
| 16:06.51 | JeffM2501 | you don't get it do you? |
| 16:06.57 | JeffM2501 | how many faces are in each one |
| 16:07.01 | JeffM2501 | open the obj and it'll say |
| 16:07.02 | CBG | What dont I get? |
| 16:07.08 | trepan | use the 'decimator' feature in object mode (edit button) |
| 16:07.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:07.27 | JeffM2501 | you don't get that it's not how big it is on your map but the face count |
| 16:07.40 | JeffM2501 | a box of any size still has 12 triangles in it |
| 16:07.51 | ruskie | :) |
| 16:07.52 | JeffM2501 | no mater if it's smaller then a pebble or biger then the sky |
| 16:08.08 | CBG | Cant find a decimator thingy |
| 16:08.14 | trepan | try F9 |
| 16:08.15 | CBG | JeffM: I do get that... |
| 16:08.36 | trepan | in the Buttons window |
| 16:08.37 | JeffM2501 | then do you get that if your object has 200,000 faces, it's going to run slow, if it's HUGE, or small? |
| 16:08.46 | CBG | Trepan: That just shows me all my app.s. Its a Mac OS X thing. |
| 16:08.54 | CBG | Jeff: obviously. |
| 16:09.01 | JeffM2501 | the more you add the slower it goes, regardless of size |
| 16:09.09 | JeffM2501 | so you have to lower the polygount |
| 16:09.14 | CBG | My point was that Its not one thing that wold fill a map. Its a small thing that I WOULD HAVE MANY OF in one map. |
| 16:09.39 | CBG | If I had designed a huge hill with that many faces |
| 16:09.46 | CBG | the file size would be the same |
| 16:09.48 | Aribeth | the more pollys you have the slower the map will run |
| 16:09.55 | CBG | but I wold only have one huge hill in my map |
| 16:10.19 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/decimate.jpg |
| 16:10.23 | trepan | maybe that'll help |
| 16:10.24 | ToughShooter | Hi Aribeth |
| 16:10.30 | Aribeth | 100 pollys = fast map. 100,000 pollys = slow map |
| 16:10.34 | Aribeth | hi TS |
| 16:10.39 | CBG | Decimator: 19477 |
| 16:10.48 | CBG | Aribeth: I get it!!!!! |
| 16:12.10 | CBG | If I had one huge thing with that many faces, and its file size was say 5MB, them I would only want one huge thing in my map so my map file would be somwhere around 5.xMB |
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| 16:12.35 | CBG | But I have that many faces in a tiny object, and I want to fill my map with loads of those tiny objects which eash are 5MB |
| 16:12.41 | CBG | so the map file would be like 500MB!!! |
| 16:12.46 | CBG | Thats all Im saying... |
| 16:13.28 | CBG | Okay? |
| 16:13.43 | trepan | unless you used bzw groups |
| 16:14.50 | CBG | Which I don't know (yet) ... :( |
| 16:15.07 | Aribeth | group sphere |
| 16:15.29 | ToughShooter | http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/ |
| 16:15.37 | Aribeth | you can use "define sphere" on your mesh |
| 16:15.46 | CBG | To do what? |
| 16:15.55 | Aribeth | then use "group sphere" to duplicate it |
| 16:15.59 | CBG | ToughShooter: Thanks, but I already have it bookmarked ;) |
| 16:16.02 | ToughShooter | To place it in world using groups |
| 16:16.22 | trepan | or, if you just want a sphere, use a "sphere" object |
| 16:16.26 | ToughShooter | There is also a link to man page of bzw now |
| 16:16.39 | CBG | I dont want a speher |
| 16:16.43 | CBG | *sphere |
| 16:16.49 | CBG | I want a rondom little hill thingy :) |
| 16:16.55 | ruskie | :)) |
| 16:17.01 | CBG | Which I made using about 25 spheres. lol |
| 16:17.38 | CBG | Besides: I only started using Blender3D an hour ago. I'm still learning. :) |
| 16:17.55 | CBG | If I can work out how to add vertices, I'll be away, wink. |
| 16:17.59 | Aribeth | you can make a hill with different objects, like a grid or box, etc rather than many spheres |
| 16:18.15 | Aribeth | that would lower the polly count |
| 16:18.34 | CBG | So far ALl I can do Is add shapes... So I just kept adding spheres. :D |
| 16:19.01 | CBG | Oh, and the obj>bzw modeltool thing wont work :( |
| 16:19.20 | Aribeth | blender can be hard to learn at first |
| 16:20.01 | CBG | It is! :D But thanks for the help so far everyone!! |
| 16:20.01 | Aribeth | im useing wings3d right now |
| 16:21.01 | CBG | Cool. Is it any easier? |
| 16:21.09 | Aribeth | you need to export the mesh as a wavefront obj file then the converter will work |
| 16:21.26 | Aribeth | it is, but it does have a few quirks |
| 16:21.39 | trepan | CBG: much easier, and has a builtin BZW exporter now |
| 16:21.53 | Aribeth | it cant handle very hi polly counts 100,000+ |
| 16:22.05 | CBG | Is it free? |
| 16:22.08 | trepan | neither can bzflag =) |
| 16:22.15 | Aribeth | true |
| 16:22.18 | CBG | And will it work for mac os 10.3.8? |
| 16:22.22 | Aribeth | it is free |
| 16:22.25 | trepan | except mine ;-) |
| 16:22.37 | CBG | Aribeth: I did export as a wavefront obj... |
| 16:22.51 | Aribeth | you mod your wings3d trepan? |
| 16:22.54 | CBG | But modeltool wont work from command line or by dropping the obj on it |
| 16:22.58 | trepan | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3652&highlight= |
| 16:23.05 | trepan | wings link is in the posting |
| 16:23.11 | trepan | Aribeth: nope, my bzflag client |
| 16:23.16 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 16:23.23 | jpa- | it is fun to make a map with thousands of boxes, turn off depth buffering and see bzflag crash :) |
| 16:23.43 | Aribeth | so your bz client can handel more pollys then |
| 16:24.01 | trepan | definitely |
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| 16:25.00 | jpa- | because people like lotteries, and especially like to win in lotteries |
| 16:25.20 | trepan | _wingsSlideTime that is |
| 16:26.43 | Chestal | it's a little boring when they have srt the jump count to something large and you have to wait until you pick up a gm to be able to shoot them |
| 16:31.41 | CBG | Should the modeltool have a .exe after it? |
| 16:32.27 | jpa- | uh? |
| 16:32.53 | CBG | Should the obj>bzw convertor be "modeltool" or "modeltool.exe" ?? |
| 16:33.14 | trepan | did someone get modeltool compiled on MacOSX? |
| 16:33.32 | CBG | It said in the forum that it should work on an OS... |
| 16:33.45 | jpa- | CBG: depends on what system you compile it on.. |
| 16:33.48 | jpa- | hm |
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| 16:34.31 | jpa- | CBG: depends on what system you compile it on.. |
| 16:34.43 | CBG | I ahvent complied it. :( |
| 16:34.52 | CBG | I just downloaded it. *sigh* |
| 16:35.07 | CBG | Has anyone already compiled it for Mac 10.3.8 ? |
| 16:35.13 | trepan | you downloaded the zip file on BZBB? |
| 16:35.19 | CBG | *10.3.9 |
| 16:35.26 | CBG | uhuh |
| 16:35.36 | trepan | that's a windows binary |
| 16:35.46 | CBG | I know... |
| 16:36.02 | Aribeth | it wont work on Mac OSX |
| 16:36.17 | jpa- | just rename it as .app, it should work fine ,) |
| 16:36.21 | Aribeth | OSX cant run windows binaries |
| 16:36.24 | CBG | Really? |
| 16:36.32 | jpa- | haha, no :P |
| 16:36.47 | CBG | :P |
| 16:36.54 | Aribeth | OSX is BSD unix |
| 16:37.15 | Aribeth | well, a modified version of BSD unix |
| 16:37.31 | Aribeth | do you have xcode installed? |
| 16:37.42 | CBG | I believe so |
| 16:38.02 | Aribeth | you can prolly use that to build modeltool than |
| 16:38.34 | trepan | iirc, modeltool has a compilation error on macosx |
| 16:38.47 | Aribeth | ohhhh |
| 16:38.47 | CBG | awww god. :( |
| 16:38.51 | trepan | i suggest you try wings and that exporter |
| 16:39.02 | CBG | nooo :( |
| 16:39.12 | Aribeth | wings would be better then |
| 16:39.15 | CBG | Is wings similar to blender? |
| 16:39.33 | trepan | they're both 3d modellers |
| 16:40.00 | CBG | I have inly ever used 1... Will I be able to use what I learn for blender with Wings? |
| 16:40.05 | CBG | *only |
| 16:40.30 | jpa- | quite similar.. if you are bad with blender, you probably won't be much better with wings either :) |
| 16:40.37 | ruskie | :) |
| 16:40.40 | trepan | just d/l it and try it |
| 16:40.45 | CBG | I am :D |
| 16:40.55 | CBG | Thanks (again) all!! |
| 16:40.55 | Aribeth | tey it out. |
| 16:40.58 | jpa- | how ever, with blender the first things you learn is how to use that complicated ui.. wings is simplier on that IMHO |
| 16:41.23 | CBG | Cool.:) |
| 16:41.30 | Aribeth | i find wings is not to hard to learn |
| 16:41.40 | trepan | i also find its tools much better for working with smaller models |
| 16:42.09 | trepan | and the fact that it evaluates expressions for keyed-in values is the kicker ;) |
| 16:42.29 | CBG | it 3MB and it says it will take >10mins to d/l... :/ |
| 16:42.41 | CBG | Wait. Now 7mins... |
| 16:42.49 | CBG | ehh. 2 mins. |
| 16:42.50 | trepan | dial-up? |
| 16:42.56 | CBG | No... Cable |
| 16:43.13 | CBG | Wireless, someone just opened a door between me and router... |
| 16:43.17 | CBG | That must be it :D |
| 16:43.30 | Aribeth | i dont like wireless |
| 16:43.42 | CBG | I do. means I can play bz anywaher in my house. |
| 16:43.48 | CBG | *anywhere |
| 16:44.19 | Aribeth | easy to tap into if its not encrypted and then there is the interferance |
| 16:45.00 | trepan | Aribeth: just posted a 1.1 of the winsg converter, it was pumping out numbers that bzfs couldn't parse if they were really close to 0 |
| 16:45.01 | CBG | You ahve to be withing the routers range to tap into it. |
| 16:45.10 | trepan | (like 1.2345678e-48) |
| 16:45.23 | jpa- | it would be evil.. someone hacking to your bzflag game! |
| 16:45.24 | Aribeth | trepan, i saw that and dl'd it just now |
| 16:45.48 | trepan | cool, it was mostly with the normals, quite a pain when you're digging through a 10M file |
| 16:46.10 | Aribeth | ya, that would mess things up |
| 16:46.40 | trepan | you still working with Lemuria? |
| 16:48.40 | CBG | Okay. I have a mesh in Wings3D, How do I get it to a bzw? |
| 16:48.44 | CBG | Do I need a convertor? |
| 16:49.03 | trepan | yes |
| 16:49.12 | trepan | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3652&highlight= |
| 16:49.17 | CBG | Thanks |
| 16:51.54 | CBG | There are 2 files.. Do I install both as plug-ins ? |
| 16:52.11 | trepan | you executed the file in your browser, didn't you? |
| 16:52.20 | trepan | s/executed/opened |
| 16:52.31 | CBG | No. |
| 16:52.42 | CBG | I went to Wings and Chose File> Install Plug-in. |
| 16:52.55 | trepan | what are the 2 files then? |
| 16:53.33 | CBG | wpc_bzw.beam and e3d_bzw.beam |
| 16:53.53 | trepan | that means that you've already opened the file |
| 16:54.05 | CBG | The tar.gz? |
| 16:54.06 | trepan | yes |
| 16:54.13 | CBG | It automatically did it |
| 16:54.16 | trepan | who did? |
| 16:54.25 | trepan | wings or the browser? |
| 16:54.32 | CBG | Mac OS |
| 16:54.36 | Aribeth | which brouser? |
| 16:54.57 | CBG | When I downloaded |
| 16:55.09 | CBG | Stuffit Expander was automatically opnened |
| 16:55.24 | trepan | save it, don't open it |
| 16:55.32 | CBG | Save what? |
| 16:55.36 | CBG | the tar.gz? |
| 16:55.40 | Aribeth | i find that konqurer will open the tgz file automaticaly, so i use firefox |
| 16:55.55 | Aribeth | to save it |
| 16:56.22 | CBG | What file do I need to "install plug-in" ? |
| 16:56.30 | trepan | you need the .tar.gz |
| 16:56.43 | trepan | you have a right mouse button? |
| 16:56.53 | CBG | The equivalent, yes. |
| 16:57.19 | trepan | you prolly have a 'save as' option when you right click (or equivalent) on the exporter's link |
| 16:57.23 | trepan | (the .tar.gz link) |
| 16:57.35 | CBG | The Link? in the forum? |
| 16:57.38 | trepan | yes |
| 16:58.02 | CBG | Okies :) |
| 16:58.55 | CBG | So I just download it by right-clicking? |
| 16:59.18 | trepan | dunno, does it bring up some sort of 'save as' menu? |
| 16:59.35 | CBG | Nope. Just the optiong to "Download Linked File" |
| 16:59.48 | trepan | try it |
| 17:00.05 | CBG | It justs downloads it. |
| 17:00.20 | trepan | did it open with your unpacker thingy again? |
| 17:01.16 | CBG | No... |
| 17:01.20 | CBG | It all works now |
| 17:01.21 | CBG | Thanks. |
| 17:01.25 | CBG | :) |
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| 17:01.28 | trepan | wings installed the plugin ok? |
| 17:01.35 | CBG | Yep :) |
| 17:01.37 | CBG | Cheers!! |
| 17:01.43 | trepan | cool, have fun |
| 17:01.55 | CBG | WIll do :D |
| 17:02.11 | trepan | here's the link that i got most of my Wings3D learnin' from: |
| 17:02.12 | trepan | http://www.geocities.com/paulthepuzzles/aardvarks.html |
| 17:02.24 | trepan | (the manual is also linked on that page) |
| 17:02.44 | CBG | Cool. Thanks!! |
| 17:03.08 | Aribeth | its a good resource for wings |
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| 17:10.56 | ToughShooter | trepan: I get a nice "Exporter crashed: undef [...]" report |
| 17:11.50 | ToughShooter | I installed "wpc_bzw.beam", "e3d_bzw.beam" wouldn't be a plug-in I was told by wings |
| 17:12.21 | CBG | Thats what I did. |
| 17:12.43 | CBG | You have to install the .tar file |
| 17:13.02 | CBG | (as a plug-in Wings3d: File > Instal Plug-in) |
| 17:13.36 | CBG | Ok? |
| 17:13.38 | ToughShooter | Aww |
| 17:14.00 | CBG | Don't worry. I did exactly the same thing just now. :D |
| 17:14.15 | ToughShooter | I didn't thought archives would be plug-ins and was too lazy too scroll up |
| 17:14.25 | CBG | hehe :P |
| 17:14.39 | CBG | Survival of the least lazy.lol |
| 17:15.58 | ToughShooter | "lazy evaluation", like in Haskell |
| 17:17.42 | CBG | lol |
| 17:17.53 | CBG | How doI 'move' soemthing in wings3d? |
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| 17:21.08 | CBG | Nevermind. I got it |
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| 17:31.33 | rabbit25 | CBG: i learned wings 3d quite easily |
| 17:32.00 | CBG | Im getting there. :) |
| 17:33.39 | rabbit25 | ya |
| 17:33.45 | ToughShooter | Command line for converting is fine for me |
| 17:33.47 | CBG | brb |
| 17:34.00 | rabbit25 | is cheetah 3d free? |
| 17:34.03 | rabbit25 | k |
| 17:34.07 | ToughShooter | nope |
| 17:34.10 | rabbit25 | aww |
| 17:34.22 | rabbit25 | i am practically broke |
| 17:34.24 | rabbit25 | :( |
| 17:34.26 | rabbit25 | oh well |
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| 17:37.41 | rabbit25 | aii! |
| 17:37.49 | rabbit25 | i downloaded blender |
| 17:37.56 | rabbit25 | its confusing |
| 17:38.14 | CBG | Yeah |
| 17:38.19 | CBG | Try Wings3D |
| 17:38.26 | CBG | From what i see its the same, but easier... |
| 17:38.36 | rabbit25 | i know |
| 17:38.39 | CBG | and You cant convert stuff from blender to bzw |
| 17:38.42 | CBG | :D ok |
| 17:38.45 | rabbit25 | thats what ive been using |
| 17:39.00 | rabbit25 | but i wanted to try blender |
| 17:39.09 | rabbit25 | for some vareity |
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| 17:41.12 | rabbit25 | CBG, when you export a file as a bzw, where does it go? |
| 17:41.19 | rabbit25 | i cant find my files |
| 17:41.23 | rabbit25 | kinda sad |
| 17:41.26 | rabbit25 | :( |
| 17:41.31 | CBG | Depends where you say you want it to go |
| 17:41.35 | CBG | What OS are you on? |
| 17:41.40 | rabbit25 | os x |
| 17:41.43 | rabbit25 | 10.3 |
| 17:41.57 | CBG | Using Blender? |
| 17:42.00 | rabbit25 | na |
| 17:42.02 | rabbit25 | wings |
| 17:42.04 | strfryed | with bzadmin when I exec commands from the cmd line it doesn't exit like the man page says afterward |
| 17:42.14 | strfryed | I want to get a playerlist from a shell script |
| 17:42.21 | strfryed | and I can't get it not to start a ui |
| 17:42.28 | strfryed | anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 17:42.40 | ToughShooter | What are you typing in bzadmin? |
| 17:42.44 | strfryed | k |
| 17:42.45 | strfryed | sec |
| 17:43.15 | strfryed | bzadmin jerk@localhost '/password jerkpasswd' '/playerlist' |
| 17:43.23 | strfryed | if I add '/quit' |
| 17:43.26 | strfryed | it output nothing |
| 17:43.28 | strfryed | if I don't |
| 17:43.35 | strfryed | it works but runs the ui as well |
| 17:43.46 | strfryed | if I add -ui stdout |
| 17:43.59 | strfryed | it doesn't exit still |
| 17:45.58 | ToughShooter | Do you type this /password' thingy |
| 17:46.12 | ToughShooter | inside bzadmin |
| 17:46.22 | strfryed | no - I pass it in from the cmd line |
| 17:46.25 | strfryed | it auths fine |
| 17:46.27 | strfryed | and lists |
| 17:46.36 | strfryed | it just doesn't quit |
| 17:47.04 | jpa- | humm.. |
| 17:47.08 | jpa- | use -ui stdout? |
| 17:47.22 | jpa- | but, you could get playerlist with bzfquery.py too |
| 17:47.29 | strfryed | yeah - same |
| 17:47.47 | jpa- | what would you use the playerlist for? |
| 17:48.22 | strfryed | ahh |
| 17:48.26 | strfryed | this is better anyways |
| 17:48.28 | strfryed | thanks |
| 17:48.34 | jpa- | what is better? |
| 17:48.44 | strfryed | bzfquery |
| 17:48.47 | jpa- | yup |
| 17:48.50 | jpa- | i love it :) |
| 17:49.06 | strfryed | thanks |
| 17:49.25 | jpa- | http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzfs/players-daily.png :) |
| 17:49.47 | ToughShooter | Hmm, it works for me |
| 17:50.04 | strfryed | interesting |
| 17:50.15 | strfryed | I'm using 2.0.2 in Debian unstable |
| 17:50.23 | strfryed | kind of weird |
| 17:51.01 | jpa- | does it give you curses ui even with -ui stdout? |
| 17:51.36 | strfryed | no |
| 17:51.39 | strfryed | it gives me stdout |
| 17:51.42 | strfryed | but it hangs |
| 17:51.47 | strfryed | open and prints out events |
| 17:52.01 | strfryed | I just want it to exit immediately after executing the commands |
| 17:52.21 | jpa- | what if you add '/quit' with stdout ui? |
| 17:52.29 | strfryed | then it doesn't output anything for some reason |
| 17:52.32 | strfryed | but it closes |
| 17:53.15 | jpa- | you could do echo "/password \n /playerlist" | bzadmin -ui stdboth user@host |
| 17:53.28 | strfryed | hahaha - I'll try it |
| 17:54.10 | jpa- | or just forget the /password part if you only want to have the number of users and use /lagstats instead |
| 17:54.20 | jpa- | or bzfquery.py or .pl :) |
| 17:55.21 | ToughShooter | It doesn't output anything for me, too :/ |
| 17:56.24 | strfryed | I can pass in one comand with echo, but I can't quit that way |
| 17:56.43 | strfryed | unless /quit is the one I pass in |
| 17:57.55 | jpa- | try to press enter instead \n |
| 17:57.59 | ToughShooter | Should ">/Users/ts/test.txt" put output into this text file? |
| 17:58.17 | jpa- | ToughShooter: without those "", yes |
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| 17:58.30 | ToughShooter | I tried this but it only created an empty file |
| 17:58.45 | ToughShooter | jpa-: I used the apostrophes only for citing |
| 17:59.08 | jpa- | thought so |
| 17:59.12 | ToughShooter | ~x de en Anführungszeichen |
| 17:59.19 | ToughShooter | Aww |
| 18:00.22 | ToughShooter | Just looked into raw content of text file: 0 bytes inside |
| 18:00.35 | jpa- | yes |
| 18:00.43 | jpa- | it means bzadmin didn't output anything |
| 18:01.33 | ToughShooter | Is bzadmin multithreaded? |
| 18:02.01 | jpa- | lol |
| 18:02.07 | ToughShooter | Maybe /lagstats last longer than /quit and so the last one gets executed before |
| 18:02.08 | jpa- | no, definitely not |
| 18:03.10 | jpa- | but, i confirm, it does not seem to work |
| 18:03.46 | ToughShooter | Does it quit without output or does it remain open? |
| 18:03.57 | jpa- | but, i would find it very annoying to have bzadmin join every now and then just to check the count of players :) |
| 18:04.20 | ToughShooter | ACK |
| 18:04.21 | jpa- | if i add quit, it exits, if i don't it starts normally |
| 18:04.41 | jpa- | (bzfquery doesn't show up as a player. it makes it _much_ better way) |
| 18:05.00 | jpa- | strfryed: if you need code to get number of players, i can share it |
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| 18:10.12 | jpa- | http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/other/playercount.py |
| 18:10.20 | jpa- | and bzfquery.py: |
| 18:10.22 | elwin | I have a bunch of questions, is there someone who might be able to answer them? |
| 18:10.25 | jpa- | http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/other/bzfquery.py |
| 18:10.35 | jpa- | elwin: many, i guess |
| 18:10.43 | strfryed | I think bzfquery will pry work raw for the most part |
| 18:10.50 | strfryed | i may sed/grep out a few parts |
| 18:10.53 | elwin | okay...first a question about arcs |
| 18:10.59 | jpa- | strfryed: what do you want to do? |
| 18:11.08 | elwin | when you specify a size, is that to the ouside of the arc? |
| 18:11.25 | jpa- | strfryed: it is a python module, the code i pasted outputs like '4' |
| 18:11.41 | strfryed | basically just want my irc bot to be able to tell who's on the bzf server on demand |
| 18:12.01 | jpa- | don't sed/grep, use python |
| 18:12.07 | strfryed | no |
| 18:12.10 | jpa- | and why just not do: |
| 18:12.25 | strfryed | the bot's written in lisp - I'll use that if anything |
| 18:12.26 | jpa- | ~bzfquery box.kapsi.fi:50140 |
| 18:12.41 | jpa- | or /msg ibot bzfquery |
| 18:13.31 | strfryed | you're right though |
| 18:13.40 | strfryed | I could just call the methods I want |
| 18:13.46 | jpa- | yes |
| 18:13.50 | strfryed | I pry will do that on second thought |
| 18:14.15 | jpa- | it is much easier than to parse the output |
| 18:15.50 | CBG-AWAY | The Y and Z axis are reversed in Wings > Bz |
| 18:15.57 | CBG-AWAY | What do I do to change them back? |
| 18:16.13 | CBG | Whats the command line i need to use? |
| 18:16.25 | strfryed | is there a place where the pydocs are already up for this module? or should I just genrate it |
| 18:16.49 | jpa- | strfryed: there is some documentation in the file.. not much else |
| 18:16.52 | jpa- | it is simple |
| 18:17.05 | strfryed | cool |
| 18:18.16 | CBG | When I export my Wings3D object to bzw: It gets rotated 90degrees |
| 18:18.21 | CBG | What can I do about it? |
| 18:19.42 | jpa- | you could change the module.. atleast |
| 18:19.57 | CBG | module? the object? |
| 18:19.58 | jpa- | there is a option in modeltool, don't know about the plugin |
| 18:20.09 | jpa- | module == plugin |
| 18:20.56 | CBG | oh. |
| 18:21.18 | CBG | I thought there was a way to do it with a command line with something like -flipyz |
| 18:21.37 | strfryed | cool, this is slick |
| 18:24.03 | jpa- | CBG: hmm, there seems to be a tool called bzwtranform in tools folder, i think it could do that |
| 18:24.25 | CBG | Where is this "tools folder" ? :( |
| 18:24.44 | jpa- | in the bzflag source tree? |
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| 18:24.53 | CBG | Oh, ok |
| 18:25.04 | jpa- | but are you sure that you haven't just made your model wrong way around? |
| 18:25.05 | jpa- | :) |
| 18:25.45 | CBG | Nope. |
| 18:25.52 | CBG | Its the axis in wings... |
| 18:26.00 | CBG | Y is Up, X and Z horizontal... |
| 18:26.03 | CBG | Its dumb... |
| 18:26.14 | CBG | Cant find a toolls folder :( |
| 18:26.48 | jpa- | i doupt you would be able to compile it anyway.. and it seems to be a bit different from what i thought |
| 18:26.59 | CBG | or a file called bzwtranform or bzwtransform |
| 18:27.00 | CBG | :( |
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| 18:31.11 | CBG | Is 384 faces a lot for a mesh that would be repeated 8/12 times in one map? |
| 18:31.59 | CBG | jpa- :I rotated it manually, but it was a pain in the neck alright! lol |
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| 18:33.17 | jpa- | "manually"? :) |
| 18:50.58 | CBG | jpa- by manually, I meant In Wings3D. |
| 18:51.16 | CBG | Can anyone tell me; Is 384 faces a lot for a mesh that would be repeated 8/12 times in one map??? |
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| 19:52.34 | strfryed | there's no way to add bots without using the client itself is there? |
| 19:53.30 | gonkulator | bzflag has bots now? wow :) |
| 19:53.37 | strfryed | hahaha |
| 19:53.42 | strfryed | they are a lot better than they used to be too |
| 19:54.13 | strfryed | I want to make it so if you flame our irc bot he looks to see if you are on our server and if you are he joins in to kick your butt |
| 19:54.37 | ruskie | nice idea |
| 19:55.07 | strfryed | thought it would be cute |
| 19:55.29 | ruskie | the bot ingame name TheGrimReaper :) |
| 19:58.40 | CBG | Can anyone tell me; Is 384 faces a lot for a mesh that would be repeated 8/12 times in one map??? |
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| 20:05.13 | Deadalot | 2.0 question: Where are the commands documented for things like tank speed, I've searched but don't find any docs. |
| 20:06.29 | Deadalot | Anybody listining? |
| 20:06.38 | lovebug | Deadalot: http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ServerVariables |
| 20:06.45 | Deadalot | nThanks |
| 20:06.57 | Deadalot | Like I need to hit N first... ;-) |
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| 20:28.53 | mmu_man | ~tld za |
| 20:37.24 | trepan_away | CBG: there are a number of options available for the wings to bzw exporter (flipping YZ, excluding normals, excluding textures, triangulation, etc...) |
| 20:37.57 | CBG | trepan: How do I go about doing these things? In terminal? |
| 20:38.45 | trepan | in the file->exporter menu, is there a little box next to the "BZFlag (.bzw)..." listing? |
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| 20:39.11 | trepan | s/exporter/export |
| 20:40.23 | CBG | Got it |
| 20:40.30 | CBG | thanks trepan |
| 20:40.32 | CBG | ;) |
| 20:43.49 | trepan | couple of tips, you should definitely turn on (edit->pref->advanced->advanced menus) |
| 20:45.00 | trepan | and try hitting 'INSERT' while you mouse is pointing over a menu selection (like the Cube button in the RMB listing) |
| 20:45.21 | trepan | then hit another key to make a shortcut... (DELETE removes shortcuts) |
| 20:46.54 | CBG | Okay... |
| 20:46.56 | CBG | :) |
| 20:47.51 | CBG | I dont have an insert key :P |
| 20:47.56 | CBG | Apple iBook.... :) |
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| 21:44.16 | strfryed | has anyone ever attempted a bot that is independent of the client? |
| 21:44.48 | BearPerson | I suppose it would be easy |
| 21:46.07 | strfryed | I haven't taken a look at how bound up the code is in the client |
| 21:47.48 | BearPerson | hmm |
| 21:48.04 | BearPerson | right... I wonder how much of the client can be safely turned off |
| 21:48.29 | strfryed | checking it out now |
| 21:48.44 | strfryed | mostly I'm concerned about running it headlessly |
| 21:49.07 | strfryed | if I can gut anything dependent on outside sound/graphics libs |
| 21:49.07 | strfryed | I'd be happy |
| 21:49.26 | BearPerson | tried running one and minimizing it? |
| 21:50.00 | strfryed | I want to run it on a machine that doesn't have X |
| 21:50.39 | BearPerson | hmm |
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| 22:16.30 | JeffM2501 | learner / brlcad does does everything build fine under 10.4? |
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| 22:48.47 | CBG | If I ahve a mesh in a group, and I call the group and set the position and scale to: |
| 22:48.51 | CBG | shift 100 -230 0 |
| 22:48.53 | CBG | scale 1.5 1.5 1.5 |
| 22:49.12 | CBG | Should the thing move further out than 100 -230 0 ? or is that abug? |
| 22:49.39 | CBG | Or is it because i'm using shift, not position? :( |
| 22:52.14 | blast007_ | the scale might be affecting the distance it moves...haven't really don't much with meshes though |
| 22:52.55 | JeffM2501 | scale scales all things IIRC |
| 22:54.10 | CBG | So it'll be fine if I just use position? |
| 22:54.32 | JeffM2501 | the shift will be scaled |
| 22:54.58 | JeffM2501 | so if you put in a shift of 100, and a scale of 1.5 the shift will realy be 150 |
| 22:55.09 | CBG | Ok. Thanks. :) |
| 22:55.15 | JeffM2501 | it's so that groups of groups will scale porporonaly |
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| 23:04.38 | CBG | I changed all the shifts to positions |
| 23:04.52 | CBG | but the objects are still too far out from the origin. :( |
| 23:05.12 | blast007_ | then scale the positions down... |
| 23:05.41 | JeffM2501 | or make the objects the right scale in your modler |
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| 23:05.45 | CBG | I know that, but is scale suppossed to scale the position? |
| 23:05.45 | JeffM2501 | and don't scale them in the map |
| 23:05.51 | JeffM2501 | it scales ALL |
| 23:05.56 | CBG | Hmm. Ok. :) |
| 23:05.57 | blast007_ | yes, it is supposed to |
| 23:05.59 | Cybo64 | any known issues with amd64 and debians bzflag? |
| 23:06.02 | CBG | Thanks guys! |
| 23:06.24 | blast007_ | RedDog: what kind of issues? |
| 23:06.35 | JeffM2501 | RedDog, don't think there is a debian binay for 64 |
| 23:06.41 | JeffM2501 | you may have to build it yourself |
| 23:06.53 | RedDog | I am running 64, the game segfalts |
| 23:07.04 | RedDog | there appears to be on, I apt-get it |
| 23:07.05 | JeffM2501 | did you build it? |
| 23:07.08 | RedDog | no |
| 23:07.13 | RedDog | apt-get install it. |
| 23:07.15 | JeffM2501 | dono who built that |
| 23:07.22 | JeffM2501 | Didn't think Tim had a 64 |
| 23:07.24 | RedDog | run from a term, it only says segfualt |
| 23:07.25 | JeffM2501 | you may want to build it |
| 23:07.39 | RedDog | That is what I was thinking |
| 23:07.43 | RedDog | but wanted to check |
| 23:07.56 | JeffM2501 | you sure it's not giving you just the i368 one? |
| 23:07.57 | RedDog | is it hard to compile? |
| 23:08.02 | JeffM2501 | not bad |
| 23:08.08 | JeffM2501 | you'll need a couple libs |
| 23:08.09 | RedDog | what is needed? |
| 23:08.17 | JeffM2501 | SDL, openGL, and libCURL |
| 23:08.28 | JeffM2501 | get the source and check the readme |
| 23:08.32 | RedDog | let me see if I have them |
| 23:08.44 | JeffM2501 | the dev packages will be in apt |
| 23:09.17 | RedDog | I cant translate from SDL into the dev package |
| 23:09.30 | RedDog | libsdl-dev? |
| 23:09.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:10.10 | RedDog | will libsdl1.2-dev work? |
| 23:11.01 | JeffM2501 | should |
| 23:11.26 | RedDog | no opengl-dev, got a better name? |
| 23:11.53 | JeffM2501 | depeends on your video card |
| 23:12.01 | RedDog | nvidea |
| 23:12.05 | RedDog | mx440 |
| 23:12.13 | JeffM2501 | check for nvidia dev someting |
| 23:12.18 | JeffM2501 | I must go |
| 23:12.22 | JeffM2501 | read the readme too |
| 23:12.25 | RedDog | ty |
| 23:12.29 | JeffM2501 | best of luck |
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| 23:27.00 | RedDog | hi readbarron |
| 23:27.04 | RedDog | RedBaron2, |
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| 23:27.19 | RedBaron2 | hey reddog |
| 23:27.21 | RedBaron2 | long time |
| 23:27.40 | RedDog | yup, trying to compile bzflag, 64bit debian segfaults |
| 23:27.51 | RedBaron2 | heheh gl :) |
| 23:27.58 | RedDog | gulp |
| 23:28.36 | RedDog | is it hard? |
| 23:28.57 | RedBaron2 | dunno..never tried |
| 23:29.04 | RedDog | phew, scared me |
| 23:29.16 | RedDog | you call yourself a linux user? pha |
| 23:29.25 | RedDog | I will have to kill you twice now |
| 23:29.31 | RedBaron2 | lol, no i'm a winblows guy :p |
| 23:29.39 | RedDog | lol |
| 23:29.53 | RedDog | now it is up to three times to kill you |
| 23:29.58 | RedDog | were do you hang out at? |
| 23:29.58 | RedBaron2 | hehe |
| 23:30.10 | RedBaron2 | havn't been on much lately actually.. |
| 23:30.34 | RedBaron2 | my regular places is ducati, gamesunited, and sometimes hepcat |
| 23:30.37 | RedDog | If I had windows, I could not even be on line very often, what with all the viruses and updates |
| 23:30.46 | RedBaron2 | lol |
| 23:30.51 | RedDog | hepcat, have not been there in a long time |
| 23:30.53 | RedDog | or ducate |
| 23:31.02 | RedDog | what does gamesunited play? |
| 23:31.07 | RedBaron2 | i actually don't have many problems with viruses |
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| 23:31.15 | RedBaron2 | its 4team ctf jumping |
| 23:31.26 | RedBaron2 | secretplace? |
| 23:31.29 | RedDog | yes |
| 23:31.37 | RedBaron2 | don't play there too often.. |
| 23:31.39 | RedDog | I like ctf |
| 23:31.43 | RedBaron2 | got tired of it long time ago :) |
| 23:31.50 | RedDog | but it is hard to get good t for the cf |
| 23:32.20 | RedBaron2 | yea, but its fun :) |
| 23:32.46 | RedDog | I always feel like I am comming home here on the rare accasions I stop by, just reading the list of attendies |
| 23:33.06 | RedBaron2 | hehe |
| 23:33.26 | RedDog | actualy, I only have killed about 7 or 8 of them |
| 23:34.30 | RedDog | is this a good place to ask "how do you get a cheat client?" |
| 23:37.09 | RedBaron2 | lol.. |
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| 23:42.04 | shorty114 | RedDog: so why ask it? |
| 23:42.10 | shorty114 | or ask if this is the place to ask it? |
| 23:42.38 | RedDog | it is a joke shorty114, newbs are all the time asking in the game "where can I get a cheat client" |
| 23:43.10 | RedDog | "oh, here, let me help you cheat so you can kill me at your mercy" |
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| 23:43.59 | blast007 | more like "Oh here, let me give you a 'cheat client' that most certainly won't send your password to me" |
| 23:45.24 | RedDog | better blast007, better |
| 23:45.29 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:45.56 | RedDog | any relation to blast? |
| 23:46.05 | RedDog | clone? |
| 23:46.06 | blast007 | blast007 == blast :) |
| 23:46.22 | RedDog | ah, one of my many arch enemies |
| 23:46.24 | creeperz | lol |
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| 23:46.37 | blast007 | hehe |
| 23:46.50 | RedDog | the fact that there are seven of you explains why you where me out |
| 23:47.35 | blast007 | :D |
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| 23:53.56 | RedDog | well, I appear to have compiled my (non) cheat client sucfully, now for the acid test, see if it works |
